Podcast appearances and mentions of Carl Lawson

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In today's episode, we take a deep dive into the latest buzz surrounding the Dallas Cowboys as they make some unexpected yet impactful moves in free agency and trades. Alamo City Sportscast Ep.203 Introduction Welcome to another thrilling episode of the Alamo City Sportscast, coming at you from West Bexar County! I'm your host, Michael Jimenez, stepping in as Joe Garcia is away for Homeland Security training. Joining me today as co-host is John Dyer, aka "Spurs and Salsa" on Spurs Twitter. We've got an action-packed show lined up for you, covering the burning topics in sports, pop culture, and nostalgia. From Dallas Cowboys' surprising moves to UT Football's upcoming season, we've got a lot to unpack. In today's episode, we take a deep dive into the latest buzz surrounding the Dallas Cowboys as they make some unexpected yet impactful moves in free agency and trades. We'll also tackle the potential return of Colin Kaepernick to the NFL, albeit in an off-field role. We'll discuss the incredible record set by Aaron Judge, hitting 300 career home runs in fewer than 1,000 games, and debate if he's the most exciting player in baseball right now. On the college front, we break down UT Football's looming challenges and high expectations for the season. Lastly, we touch on the arrest made in connection with the tragic passing of Matthew Perry. Analysis of the Cowboys picking up Carl Lawson and trading for Jordan Phillips. What these moves signify for the Cowboys' defensive roster and season outlook. Speculation on the future of Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott if the season starts poorly. Discussion on Kaepernick's recent job offer from his former coach for an off-field role. What this means for Kaepernick's career and his ongoing influence in the NFL. Highlighting Aaron Judge breaking the record for the fastest to 300 career home runs. Debate on who the most exciting player in baseball is right now—Aaron Judge, Mike Trout, or Shohei Ohtani? Challenges UT Football faces with running back injuries and depth concerns. High expectations for UT this season and which players are stepping up. Details on the recent arrest made connected to Matthew Perry's tragic passing. Reflection on his impact and legacy in pop culture. Tune in to catch all this and more on the Alamo City Sportscast, where we blend sports, culture, and personal stories to keep you entertained and informed. Don't forget to subscribe and join the conversation with your comments and feedback! Don't forget to subscribe to the Alamo City Sportscast on your favorite podcast platform and follow us on social media for the latest updates and behind-the-scenes content. Subscribe and Follow: //Social Media:

RJ Ochoa joins Jesse Holley from Blogging the Boys to discuss the current turmoil surrounding the Dallas Cowboys. They dive into the concern over CeeDee Lamb's unsigned contract, the additions of Jordan Phillips and Carl Lawson, and what to expect from Mazi Smith in Mike Zimmer's defense. Jesse recaps his time visiting Dallas Training camp recently, sharing insights from his conversations with Mike Zimmer, who described the defense as unpredictable and acknowledged the high stakes for the Cowboys this season. RJ voices his concerns about Zimmer's approach. Jesse also discusses his conversation with the defensive backs coach about the growing anxiety around CeeDee Lamb's contract and the unresolved issue of Dak Prescott's contract.

The Dallas Cowboys finally made the move we've been asking for since before training camp by trading for another big defensive tackle in Jordan Phillips. This morning we got the news they've also signed DE Carl Lawson. Analysis of the why now and the what next.

The Cowboys made some additions to their defensive line in less than 24 hours, trading for Giants defensive tackle Jordan Phillips and signing former Jets defensive end Carl Lawson. Bryan Broaddus lives in Oxnard at Cowboys camp, and he joined Shan & RJ to break down both signings and discuss the joint practice with the Rams on Wednesday.

The Arizona Cardinals pass on signing pass rusher Carl Lawson. Plus, The Diamondbacks win in dominating fashion.

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The Cardinals held a try-out for Carl Lawson yesterday, should the Cardinals sign him? Plus, grading Eduardo Rodriguez's Dbacks pitching debut yesterday!

Stacy and Curtis are joined by ESPN’s Buster Olney to get his thoughts on the Mariners playoff potential, Julio’s slow start, and some names the Mariners should be looking at ahead of the deadline, they give you their thoughts on New Lakers’ head coach JJ Redick and Emerson Hancock’s injury in Headline Rewrites, they discuss the pessimism and frustration clouding the Mariners’ fanbase this season, and they bring you some of the biggest storied around the NFL, including why one expert thinks the Seahawks should try to sign pass rusher Carl Lawson. 

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Sit down with Jonathan Youssef for a compelling conversation with Alisa Childers and Tim Barnett, authors of The Deconstruction of Christianity: What It Is. Why It's Destructive. How to Respond. This discussion examines the pervasive and unsettling movement of faith deconstruction sweeping churches today. Whether it's affecting your loved ones, straining relationships, or stirring doubts within you, this episode provides crucial understanding and guidance.Together, we will try to understand the core aspects of the Christian deconstruction movement, its origins, the meaning of deconstruction hashtags like #exvangelical, and why it attracts so many people, particularly those disenchanted with traditional church teachings.Alisa and Tim offer strategies for thoughtfully and empathetically engaging with those questioning or abandoning their faith in Christ, emphasizing responses grounded in a biblical worldview.Whether you are seeking to support a loved one in turmoil, understand the dramatic spiritual changes around you, or find answers to your spiritual doubts, Alisa and Tim provide valuable insights and answers that promise to enlighten, challenge, and encourage.Listen and gain tools and confidence to address deconstruction with clarity and love, ensuring your faith and relationships can withstand the challenges of these transformative times.ALISA CHILDERS is a popular speaker and the author of Another Gospel? and Live Your Truth and Other Lies. She has been published at the Gospel Coalition, Crosswalk, the Stream, For Every Mom, Decision magazine, and the Christian Post.TIM BARNETT is a speaker and apologist for Stand to Reason (STR). His online presence on Red Pen Logic with Mr. B helps people assess flawed thinking using good thinking, reaching millions monthly through multiple social media platforms.After you listen to this episode, you may have questions. We would love to hear from you! To ask Jonathan a question or connect with the Candid community, visit https://LTW.org/CandidAlso, join the conversation on our social media pages:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/candidpodInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/candidpodTwitter: https://twitter.com/thecandidpodTRANSCRIPT:This transcript recounts Candid Conversations with Jonathan Youssef Episode 246: The Deconstruction of Christianity with Alisa Childers and Tim Barnett.Jonathan: Today, we have quite a special situation. We have two of my favorite guests that we've had in the past, Alisa Childers and Tim Barnett. And they have teamed up and have written a book together, The Deconstruction of Christianity: What It Is, Why It's Destructive and How To Respond. Thank you guys so much for taking the time. We're all across the nation and different nations here. Thank y'all for taking the time to be on Candid Conversations.Alisa: It's great to be back with you.Tim: Yeah, it's good to see you.Jonathan: Well, I think before we jump in we've Alisa and I and Tim and I, we've separately had conversations around this area, but I love the way you break down your book into these three parts: Exvangelical, Deconstruction, and Hope. But just again for those who are new to the terminology, let's define deconstruction and separate it and define exvangelical, and then we'll talk about the reasons for the writing of the book.Alisa: Which one you want to take, Tim, exvangelical or deconstruction?Jonathan: You each get one.Tim: All right. I'll start with deconstruction. You know this is a tough definition to nail down. In fact, this took quite some research and quite some time. In fact, I actually changed my mind on how I was using the term. At least initially when I started teaching in deconstruction a few years ago, I thought there was a way that we could use the word deconstruction in a healthy way and there was a way we could use it in an unhealthy way. And we were seeing this kind of thing happening, especially on social media. You'd have people like Lecrae or John Mark Holmer or other notable evangelicals using deconstruction as a healthy way, here's a good way to do deconstruction.Tim: That's right. And on the other hand, there's a whole lot of this other stuff that's very unhealthy. That's how we originally thought until we did serious research into what's going on in this deconstruction space, especially on social media where we're seeing a movement or an explosion. And what we saw there was that there isn't anything healthy. In fact, there are defining characteristics of the deconstruction explosion that are unbiblical and just completely wrongheaded.So at the end of the day, where we landed on this—and again, we say this is the hardest sentence we wrote in the book, but here's where we landed on our definition of deconstruction: It's a postmodern process of rethinking your faith without requiring Scripture as a standard. And all those words are important in that sentence. So it's a process, but it's a very specific kind of process. It's a postmodern process. Whereas where you would think (this is what many claim) is that they are on a search for truth, what we're finding is that it's not really about truth—in fact, by postmodern we mean that there isn't a goal of truth; there's actually a denial of objective truth, that objective truth cannot be known. And so there's that on the one hand. On the other hand, you have this rejection of Scripture as an authority. And so when we put those things together, we think these are the defining characteristics of what deconstruction is all about. And we can kind of go into more detail and give some examples of where we've seen that, but that's a starting point.Alisa: Right and then the exvangelical hashtag is often used synonymously with and at least in conjunction with that deconstruction hashtag. And it's a little bit of a tricky hashtag because it doesn't simply mean, at face value, no longer evangelical. But it's not like you have people who were raised Presbyterian and they become some kind of more liturgical Anglican or something and they use the ex. They are not using the exvangelical hashtag for that. What we're seeing with the exvangelical hashtag is that, first of all, it's very difficult to define what evangelical is. And that's kind of a word like deconstruction that's defined in a hundred different ways. So there's the Bevington's Quadrilateral that characterizes the evangelical movement under four pillars of personal conversion, emphasis on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, biblical authority, and evangelism. And yet, if you ask people in the deconstruction hashtag what is evangelical, those beliefs are in the background for sure, but what they primarily see is God, guns and Trump. It's what is perceived in their minds to be this unholy alliance between evangelicals and the political right. And so it's all kind of mashed together, along with things like spiritual abuse and purity culture and conservative politics. It's all kind of this ball that all gets kind of mixed together and then it all gets thrown out as exvangelical. And so in some cases they're conflating evangelical with the historic Christian gospel, and in other cases, they might actually be throwing out some cultural things that are Americanized that aren't necessarily a part of the gospel. And it can be kind of like a mix of both. But it's important like when Tim talked about the shift of authority, its' like the only thing that matters for the exvangelical and deconstruction is that they are leaving behind what they perceive to be toxic beliefs. And so as best as I can analyze are it's any belief outside of yourself that you would be asked to submit to, surrender to, kneel to that is not necessarily something that resonates with you inside.Jonathan: Interesting. So you're the ultimate authority, which goes to the deconstruction definition of Scripture being the authority.Alisa: I do think it boils down to that, yes. Jonathan: Do you find this is a uniquely American phenomenon? I don't even know if phenomenon is the right word to use there.Tim: That's a really good question. I think that there's a few reasons why we're seeing this in particular in North America. It's happening in Canada, too, not just the U.S. I think that we're seeing a culture that's dominated by a philosophy of relativism on the one hand and then on the other you have this kind of explosion of social media within the last decade or so. And I think bringing those two things together in particular—And then maybe a third thing, and that is the American church and how we have, I think, neglected the life of the Christian mind. We used to say the church teaches what we believe really well but not why we believe it. So us apologists, we're trying to train up the church in why we believe these things. But to be honest, when you look at the research now that's coming out in the last couple of years, people who identify as evangelical, I think it was in our book we say 42 or 43 percent of U.S., so Americans, who identify as evangelical do not believe that Jesus is god. They think He's just a good moral teacher. Hold on a second! So these people identify as evangelical but they're not Christian. I mean, this is crazy! So you have, on the one hand, Christians, people who are professing to be Christians because, hey, I was born in America or I was born in Canada. That's the default, right. It's like in your genetics or something. Yeah, so you have that on the one hand, so there's no real understanding or foundation for what real, orthodox Christianity is. Then you have this dominant culture, I mean, it's coming from every direction, this idea of relativism. It's literally the water that many of your young people especially are swimming in, and they don't even know they're wet. And then of course you have social media, this platform now, where I have access to, I mean, the world. I have access to memes and TikToks and these, for many, they think these are compelling arguments. I can't tell you how many times I'm sitting here at my desk and I get a message coming in. It's a meme or a TikTok video that someone sends me and says, “Hey, can you respond to this? I don't know what to say. I don't know how to respond.”And I watch the video or I read the meme and I think, Really? This is not a good argument. It's not even close. Usually, it's not even an argument. And so when you bring all those things together, I think that makes America susceptible to the deconstruction movement for sure.Alisa: there's also the Trump element in the American version of deconstruction. It's just such a huge part of that that is so uniquely American. But as Tim said, I think deconstruction is happening everywhere. I know progressive Christianity is happening. Even in the Middle East I've gotten emails of people wanting my book to be translated into Farsi because it's even coming into the Middle East. So where there is progressive Christianity, there is dn. But I suppose it's just taking on maybe a different type of flavor here in America.Jonathan: Well, and even the Trump effect has ripple effects around the world to where people in foreign nations see Trump and think, Oh, well, he's their definition of Christian. Let's talk about the prevalence. Because I think there are some who think this is just happening out in large cities or this is not affecting everyday people. There can be a disconnect to just how much influence this is having. And it can be people who are watching and consuming these things that aren't even talking about it with their family because they know how the family will react when there's genuine questions and doubt. So tell us a little bit about what you're seeing with the prevalence of both of these concepts entering into homes.Alisa: Well, I think we're in a different world now, so this is an interesting anecdotal piece to this. When I go out and speak I'll often ask an audience, “How many of you have heard the word deconstruction in the context of faith?” And the older the audience, the fewer the people have even heard of it. And yet, when I go speak to students it's 90 percent. But it blows my mind. Even at women's conferences where women … the ages are 20 to maybe 60, 70, you might have 20 percent raise their hand that they've even heard of the concept.And so what I mean by we're in a different world is decades ago you had to get a book deal. There was major exposure with ideas. And so I think that there are some of us who are still living in that world and don't realize the prevalence of some of these ideas on social media. For example, we have many posts documented in our book where it's somebody that nobody's ever heard of an probably never will know their name, but their video has millions of views, hundreds of thousands of likes, and if you think about the reach of that versus somebody that you might have seen on TV decades ago or maybe in a Christian bookstore even or in the catalog that they would send out, that's a lot of people. But social media can reach so many people with a message where it's not even necessarily surrounding a particular personality.And so I think the prevalence of it is on social media, so someone's exposure to it is probably going to be directly related to what types of social media they have and how often they engaging with it. Tim: And the other element to this, the older folks who have exposure to it, is because they have a loved one, usually a younger loved one, who is going through it and now we're just, as we label it, this is what it is, deconstruction, they say—it clicks. Oh, that's what my nephew is going through, or my grandchild or my son or my daughter or whatever. So it does kind of filter up to that older generation. They're seeing the aftermath usually. It's like why is my grandson no longer following the Lord? Well, it turns out they went through a process called deconstruction. Jonathan: Well, and I imagine some of the reactions can be unhelpful, and that's why, again, I think it's important that books like yours are out there and podcasts and stuff that you guys are producing is out there, so that there's a heightened awareness but also a helpful response. Because we do have a response and a calling, but we need to make sure we're doing it in a right and biblical way.I wonder if we could come to the origins of this. I know Carl Lawson writes in the foreword in your book about technically the beginning is, when Demas, who fell in love with the world, abandoned Paul and the ministry and the faith. But I mean in this particular area, is it with social media? Was there a particular person or is it just postmodernism in general? Where do you find your origins to these movements?Tim: Well, it's true that we could trace this thing past Demas. We can go all the way back to the Garden of Eden, always. But just more recently in the 1960s we see postmodern philosophers like Derrida in particular, who is the father of deconstruction. Now of course, his application of deconstruction was to textbook religion. He argued that objective meaning, objective truth, could not be known, and that there was no actual truth, so the reader could import just as much meaning as an author of a text. And what we traced in our research is we saw there is a connection here. In fact, we discovered a book by John Caputo, who is a scholar and actually follows Derrida and applies Derrida's philosophy not just to textbook religion in general, but in fact, to Christianity. And he wants to do this postmodern move even on the words of Jesus. And so he gives application in his book. What would Jesus think about, say, homosexuality today? Well, He would look around the world and see loving, monogamous relationships and He would be affirming. Even though Derrida says, yet, in the first century, no, Paul and Jesus, they had a certain view on this, but we're going to bring new meaning to the text. In fact, the way Derrida describes this is Derrida says the text actually never arrives at a meaning. In fact, he has this analogy of a postman delivering a letter, and it's like the letter never arrives at its destination, and in that sense, Christianity has not arrived. There is no set fundamental beliefs that you need to hold to—in fact, they are always changing, never arriving.So this is kind of the history, and of course there's lots of people who don't know who Derrida is, they don't know who John Caputo is, and yet, they are taking a page out of his playbook. They are thinking in terms of that kind of postmodern philosophy as they look out at religion. It's not what is actually true corresponds to reality; instead, it's there is something else going on. Oftentimes, it's personal preferences are the authority, or maybe they're looking at the culture and saying, “Yeah, look, the culture is more accepting of sexuality and so we ought to be too.”Jonathan: Yeah, just like in the days of Noah. Help us understand who are some of the primary voices behind this today? I know we talked about how when you're on social media it can be a lot of nameless, faceless people who just have an opinion and they want to create an argument or a non-argument that has an effect on people with their emotions. Are there any that are writing or have some influence as, you know, even by way of warning people, hey, be careful of so-and-so because it tends towards this trajectory?[24:42] Alisa: Well, I would say there's, in my mind, and Tim might have some others, but in my mind there's one figure in particular that is, in my view, the most influential, although he's not primarily promoting quote/unquote “deconstruction,” is Richard Rohr. Richard Rohr, his ideas, his universal Christ worldview, is—Interestingly, when I was researching the coaching and therapy sites, I found all the ones I could find online of people offering services to coach you through deconstruction or even offer you therapy through your deconstruction—and by the way, these therapy and coaching sites are not helping you to remain a Christian; they are not interested in where you land, they just want to help you along your subjective journey.But even the ones that aren't claiming to be Christians, there's always this recommendation—I looked at all the book recommendations, and there is a Richard Rohr book there every single time, even among those that don't claim to be Christians. And so what Rohr has done, I think, is, especially among people who want to retain the title Christian but might be more spiritual but not religious, or some sort of a New Age-y kind of Jesus is more of a mascot kind of thing, Rohr has really given them a worldview to put in place of what they've turned down. And he does talk about deconstruction in his book, Universal Christ, and he says it's like the process of order, disorder, and then reorder. Well, that sounds good at face value. You're taught a certain thing, and then something messes it up and as an adult you have to do some digging and some work and then you reorder. But that's not exactly what he's talking about. His order stage is what he calls “private salvation,” your private salvation project. In other words, Rohr doesn't believe in personal salvation, he believes in universal salvation, he's a universalist. So he's saying that's like the kindergarten version of faith, this kind of Christianity where you have personal faith and you have this God of wrath and judgment. All of that just needs to be disordered so that ultimately you can reorder according to his worldview.Now I bring up Rohr because he's so influential. I mean, he makes his way into so many of the deconstruction conversations. But beyond Rohr, it's tough because there can be platforms that swell up and get really big, and then I've seen them shut down after they have maybe 20,000, 30,000 followers, even up to hundreds of thousands of followers. I've seen several of these platforms just kind of get burned out and they shut down. So it's hard to say, but I would say Derek Webb, Caedmon's Call, is an important voice in there. You've got—Well, Jon Steingard was for a while when he ended up shutting down his YouTube, but he was the lead singer of Hawk Nelson. He was commenting for quite a while. Jo Luehmann is pretty influential. Who else, Tim?Tim: Well, there's—I put them in different categories.Alisa: The NakedPastor.Tim: The NakedPastor for sure. So there's guys who, and gals who have deconstructed and posted that they've deconstructed online. So that would be someone like a Rhett McLaughlin, who 3 million people watched his video four years ago. He's been keeping people updated every year; they do kind of an anniversary thing. That sparked so many people on their own deconstruction. Now what's interesting about Rhett is he didn't necessarily tell you how toTim: Yeah. And that was enough for some people to say, “Maybe I should do this too.” Now there's other platforms out there, and all they do is criticize Christianity, or they mock Christianity. Those are big on TikTok. I mean, there are massive platforms that have half a million followers and millions of views, okay, and I could go down and list some of those for you. But the point is they're not necessarily talking about deconstruction and the process, but they're just saying, “Hey, here's what you guys believe, but here's my mocking, here's my criticism.” Then there's this other stream, and this is the NakedPastor or Jo Luehmann and others who aren't just mocking Christianity or criticizing Christianity but they're trying to advocate for a certain kind of process, okay, and that's where you're going to get a little more detail on how this deconstruction thing works out. And so they've been, in fact, Jo Luehmann and the NakedPastor, David Hayward, and—Jonathan: Joshua Harris. Didn't he do a course through that?Tim: That's right. Joshua Harris, when he—again, on Instagram. That blew up. There were like 7,000 comments in response to him just posting, “I'm no longer a Christian.” And you could see the responses, and I'm telling you, there were many who said, “This post is what set me on my deconstruction journey.” So there's at least three different categories of influencers out there, and they're all playing into the same thing, deconstruction, but they all are coming at it from a different angle.Jonathan: Alisa, for those who are familiar with your story, how is this movement different from the path that you were on?Alisa: This is a great question because I've actually changed my mind on how I talk about this. So over ten years ago I had a faith crisis that was really agonizing. It was years long. I landed fairly quickly in going through some apologetics arguments, knowing that God existed, but just the doubts that would nag at me were just years of this agonizing research, reading thousands of pages of scholarship, just trying to figure out if what I believed was actually true. And it was propelled by a progressive pastor. I didn't know he was progressive at the time, but I was in a church where there was this class going on and it set my friends, a bunch of my friends, into deconstruction. And so when I wrote my first book about my journey, I actually called the process that I went through deconstruction because it was horrible, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It was agonizing and I had to kind of de-con-struct. If you just take the word at face value, and then build back from the beginning.But interestingly, when I would go online and I would talk about my deconstruction, deconstructionists would come on and say, “No, you didn't deconstruct.” At first, that was so confusing to me. I was like, “Well, were you there?” I mean, it was like this horrible, agonizing process.Jonathan: I'm the ultimate authority here.Alisa: Yeah, right, I know. And they said, “Well, you didn't deconstruct because you still hold to toxic theology. You still have toxic theological beliefs.” And that's when I realized, oh, okay, so this isn't just—even though I knew it wasn't a good thing, I knew it was a horrible thing because, again, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but it wasn't about truth. It's actually about leaving behind these beliefs that they think are toxic. And let's say you completely do hard work of years of studying and you decide that you are a sinner and that Jesus did die on the cross for your sins, that the Bible is God's Word and that what Jesus claimed about Himself is true and that He proved it by resurrecting from the dead, if you hold to those beliefs, along with the biblical sexual ethic, you have toxic theology and you've got to go back to the drawing board and start over.So that's when I realized, okay, there's more to this. And so I actually correct myself—Jonathan: There's a goal.Alisa: Yeah. I correct myself in the new book and say I don't actually use the language of deconstruction to describe what I went through because I was on a truth quest. I wanted to know what was true, whether I liked it or not, whether it resonated with me or not. In fact, what was interesting in the class I was in where all my friends ended up deconstructing, and I mean all that I know of, there might be two that I lost touch with that maybe didn't, but most of the people that I know of did. And everything in that class was all about what resonates with me. I mean, we would … they would talk about Bible verses and say, “Well, that just doesn't resonate with me,” and they would toss it aside. And I was like, “You can't just do that.”And so I didn't deconstruct, and so I corrected my language on that and really changed my mind about what I think it is. And I think what I'm hoping to set the example for others is people who are wanting to use the word because it was trendy—because I really had a thing about that. Why am I using the word? Why am I hanging onto the word? And I had to realize there's no reason for me to use that word. Because what I did was search for truth. I tested all things, held fast to what is good—that's biblical. I don't need a postmodern word to describe that. And so that would be my journey with this word and kind of my relationship with it is that I've changed my mind; I didn't deconstruct. It was—Jonathan: You re-entrenched.Alisa: Yeah, they just think I circled some wagons and found some people to agree with me. Which is so interesting to me, because they weren't there. And that's the thing. Pete Ens, I've seen the comment from him, “Oh, Alisa doesn't know … she doesn't understand deconstruction, she doesn't get it.”And I'm just like, “Were you there? You weren't there. You have no idea what I went through.” But it's like they're so quick to say, “You have to respect my lived experience,” but they are the first ones that will not respect your lived experience if you land at historic Christianity for sure.Jonathan: That makes sense. You guys have spent hours on places like TikTok researching what leads people to deconstruct and what they all have in common. What are the common threads that you've noticed through that?Tim: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, some of the factors that we've noticed that kind of launch people into a deconstruction are things like doubts, unanswered questions. Virtually all these stories have some instance of suffering or pain, and we've all been through that. There's church hurt, there's spiritual abuse. Now we've got to be careful about that a little bit, because sometimes it's a real abuse that happens, of course, we would all want to say that is horrible and we stand against that. That is not of God. And so when a pastor engaged in that kind of thing, he needs to be held accountable for it.But then on the other hand there is what we might call perceived abuse or perceived harm. And this is where things like teaching the doctrine of hell. In our research, we found that that's called, you know, teaching your kids, it's child abuse. If you say that Jesus died for your sins, that's considered toxic and abusive to tell someone that, yet that's the gospel message. So we want to make sure that we distinguish between those things.Of course, we just mentioned earlier about politics and Trump and all that stuff. So there's these different elements that you'll see peppered within these stories. Now we want to be quick to say that not all deconstruction stories are alike. In fact, they are often very unique, and that's because every single person is unique. So if you've heard one deconstruction story, then you've only heard one, you haven't heard them all. But there are these common threads.One question that we asked when we were doing our research is why is it that two people can grow up in the same house, they can go to the same church, the same youth group, they have the same parents, they experience some of the same trauma, suffering, whatever, and yet one will deconstruct and the other maybe becomes an even more faithful believer. What's going on there?And what we found is it comes down to—at least one element—a faith foundation. What is it, what is your faith foundation? And of course, this is going to be different for different people, and what we need to be asking, we're challenging the church to ask, is what does it mean to be a Christian? Oftentimes, you know—and this is a question I was asked when I was in university by my friends who were not believers, “Tim, why are you a Christian?” And I honestly shot back, “Because my parents are Christians.” That was my first response. I knew that ain't right. That was embarrassing. I'd grown up in the church. I'd done all the church stuff, and yet I did not have a strong Christian foundation and a strong Christian faith. And so I, at that point, was very susceptible to this kind of deconstruction, right, because I could—if TikTok was big at that time, I could have watched a video and, “Okay, I'm outta here. This has been refuted.”So I think that all those things that I mentioned earlier can make you a good candidate for deconstruction, but they don't have to lead you down the path of deconstruction. This is why it's really, really important that the church needs to be helping to develop and disciple Christians so they have a strong foundation so when that crisis hits, they are able to stand firm in their faith. So let me ask this question. There may be a simple answer. Is the faulty foundations that people are building on essentially, I mean, is the answer anything but Christ? Is it in the institution of the church or in the leadership in the church or your favorite Christian singer? Is it … do you find those the main threads that came back?Alisa: That's an interesting question. I think, you know, when I think about foundation … Because I was trying to think through this question even within my own context. So one of my sisters was not a Christian until she was an adult, and she would say that openly; that's part of her testimony. She grew up in church. We grew up in the same home, we had the same discipleship, the same youth pastors, pretty much the same experiences growing up, same environment, and yet our foundation was different because I was a devoted Christian as far back as I can remember. I mean, I don't even remember a time where I didn't absolutely know that the Bible was God's Word and Jesus was who He said He was. And yet, for my sister, she grew up in the same environment but had a totally different foundation. she did all the things, she cooperated with it, but She never personally trusted in Christ.Jonathan: Going through the motions, yeah, okay.Alisa: Yeah. And she may not have even realized that. You might have asked her at 12 years old, “Are you a Christian,” she might have said, “Well, yeah,” but she didn't know that she wasn't until she actually got saved as an adult. And so I think the foundation is more of a personal thing. The way I see it is the level of understanding you  might have had. We have a lot of this sort of seeker-sensitive model that's over the past few decades has gotten really big. I'm not saying it's wrong to have a large church or try to be sensitive to people who are seeking, of course. But some of those seeker-sensitive and megachurch models really watered-down the gospel, really sacrificed discipleship for numbers. And I think that that has resulted in a lot of people growing up in churches that maybe—And I'm not … We don't speculate on this question in the book, were they really saved, were they not because we don't know the end of their story either, but I do think even right now we have a lot of people in our churches who maybe may not be Christians because they may not be getting the gospel, they're not getting Bible teaching. And they might like the community and even like and believe certain things about it, but everybody's foundation is maybe going to be a little bit different. That's kind of how I see it.Jonathan: Well, I mean, not to steer us theologically, but I mean it has to be the work of the Spirit in the life of a person, and that's all in the sovereign timing of the Lord. I wonder if sometimes in this American evangelical mindset from an older-generation perspective we have this understanding that my children should be Christians and they should be following the ways that I direct. And then I should start seeing spiritual fruit in their life. Like, well, I don't know. I mean, is there something wrong with that happening at a later point? Just thinking from a parental, a parent's perspective. Maybe I've gone into the weeds there a little bit.Alisa: Like Tim said, each deconstruction story is unique. I would say it like this. Every deconstruction story is unique and yet they're kind of all the same, too, in certain points. I know we're getting in the weeds a little bit, but as a parent, I wouldn't want to push my kid to say they believe something they don't really believe. I'd want them to come to that on their own. And that might come later, certainly, yeah.Jonathan: And there's a level of you want your child to be honest with you, and I think sometimes we can put a false expectation on your child to be going to be at a certain place when they're just not ready for that yet. And so what they're actually deconstructing is deconstructing whatever that false view—again, as you said, there's different stories of deconstruction. But ultimately, if you deconstruct and never return back, to your point, there was never faith to begin with. You experienced the benefits of a covenant community or whatever it is. As Hebrews says, you were tasting but you weren't of that, you know … not all Israel is Israel.Do you think it's potentially because parents are unwilling to engage in the hard questions of the faith? Or do you think perhaps there is always just people who are going to rebel against Christ? Is it all of the above? In your research, I don't know if you're working with people who have gone through it and then interviewing them. Are you tracing things back to a particular point? I think we all want to say, “Where does the blame lie?” Are you finding that?Tim: I think it's all of the above. A lot of these stories have unanswered questions. In fact, Alisa did a debate on Unbelievable with Lisa Gunger, and she makes this really tragic statement where she said, “Questioning was equivalent to sinning in our church. If you questioned the pastor, you questioned his teaching, whatever, you were in essence sinning.”So confessing to your questions is confessing your sins. And that mentality, I mean, we wrote a whole chapter called “Questions,” In that chapter, what we're trying to do is a little bit of a wake-up call. We're trying to rattle the church a little bit and say, “Hey, we can do better. We ought to be the place where people feel safe to ask their questions and express their doubts.” And I hope that everyone listening to this hears that. Tim and Alisa are not against questions—in fact, we're apologists. We travel around and we're doing our best to answer questions, so we're not against that, and we want the church to be a safe place.And I mean we give an example of Tim Keller. At the end of his sermons, his services, he would do like a 40-, 45-minute Q&A time where he would just stick around and, okay, come on up. And in New York City, where you have like diversity of people, diversity of views coming in, you're going to have skeptics, you're going to have atheists, you're going to have whatever coming in, asking their hard questions. And when you think about it, the way we have our churches structured, at least most of them, there isn't really a Q&A time. That would be like a very special thing. Maybe every few months the pastor will take questions or something. Jonathan: A special treat. Yeah, yeah.Tim: That's right. But for the most part, that's not there, and that can give a lot of people the impression that questions aren't allowed here. You just listen to what's spoken, do what you're told, and that's the end of it. So I think that's part of it. But you also mentioned, yeah, maybe there's a rebellious heart, too. You can't read the Bible very far without seeing someone who has a rebellious heart. So we—Tim: That's right. Just a couple of pages in. And so you end up seeing that this is a realistic element that we need to be talking about, too, and that's why we devoted an entire chapter to the deconstructor, because there are things about the deconstructor that are important to be aware of from a biblical anthropology perspective. And so there certainly are people who are seeking answers, and we want to be there to provide answers. But then there's also these questions out there that are seeking exits. And you see lots of those. You see them in Scripture and we see—When you've got Richard Dawkins saying, “Well, who made God?” Richard Dawkins should know better, you know. When my four-year-old asks that question, okay, fair enough. But when you have an academic from Oxford asking that question as if it's legitimate of the Christian God, something else is going on.Jonathan: I remember Keller teaching on Job, and he says Job is filled with questions, right, but the issue was that he never left God. He didn't say, “I have questions and now I'm going to go over here and ask them.: But he kept asking the questions of the Lord in his particular situation. And he was saying that questioning can be a good thing because it's, as we talked earlier, all truth is Christ's truth, so there's nothing to be afraid of. You're not going to get an answer where it should cause difficulty. But rather, you're sticking close to the source and you're going to get your answers within reason. But rather than going—And it's interesting, because that's what these TikToks and all these things are creating is new avenues for you to go and ask questions and find a story that resonates with you, right, that's the big terminology that we were using earlier. So that resonates with your story and how you feel, and then where did they land? How do we invite this sort of cultivating an openness for asking of questions? Is it let's have a Q&A session at the end of church? Is it, you know, we need to start training our parents to have them understand that your kids asking questions is a good thing because they're coming to you versus no, everything is fine and I'm going to go to YouTube and find the answer because I think you're going to be mad at me or whatever it is. Help us think through that from a church perspective. Alisa: Well, I think starting with the parents is a great place to start because if we can train parents to be the first person to introduce some of these difficult topics to their kids, we know statistically the first person to introduce the topic will be viewed as an expert in the eyes of the child. So when we as parents are the first people to talk to our kids about gender and sexuality and all of these different things—and promoting an environment where we're not weird about it, we're not acting awkward about it, then we want to be the Google. I want to be Google for my kids. And that means I'm going to be really honest when they ask their questions and sometimes give more information than they wanted.My daughter, she jokes with me like “I know I'll get a straight answer from you with whatever I ask.” And so maybe even training parents to ask your kids questions like “Hey, what's your biggest question about God?”And parents don't need to be afraid of what their kids say, because it's perfectly fine to say, “Wow, I've never really thought about that. Let's think that through together,” and then go do some research and continue to engage with your kid about it. But I think in the home, if we can start there, that's a great place. And then the church can help come around parents with even youth groups doing Q&As and pastors doing Q&As. I think that's a huge way to promote that environment from the home, all the way through the church culture.Jonathan: Okay, let's do a little sort of engaging with others segment here. What would you say to those who are seeing their loved ones go through deconstruction or exvangelical. What would you say to them? Buy our book.Tim: Yeah, that. And I mean the first thing that I would say is stay calm. It can be not just earthshattering for the person going through deconstruction, but the loved ones of those deconstructors it's often earthshattering. We talk about this in the book, actually. To find out that my kids who I've raised in the church come to me and say, “Dad, I don't believe any of this stuff anymore, I'm out,” that would be crushing.And I would want to remind myself: stay calm. I've heard so many stories, and they're actually horror stories, where a child comes to a parent and says, “I'm deconstructing” and the parent just loses it. “How could you do that?” And they overreact, and of course that's not going to help. That's the first thing.I would want my kids right away to know that they are loved, period. That this doesn't change my love for them. It's not “I love you, but let me fix your theology.” It's “I love you, period. You're still my daughter. I'm still your dad. That's not going to change.”And then another thing just to add is say thank you. It must have taken a lot for that individual, if they come to you and share that they've deconstructed, it must have been a big deal to do that. So I would say, “Thanks for sharing that with me and me being the person that can be there for you.” So those are introductory things. Obviously, relationship is going to be so important. It's not necessarily that you're going to be able to maintain the relationship. We've heard stories of people getting no-contact letters from their loved one saying, “Your theology is toxic. I don't want anything to do with you and so we're done. Here's my no-contact letter.”But if they're willing to stay in your life, then we want to do whatever is possible to  maintain that relationship without compromising truth. Truth is absolutely necessary. But you want to be in that relationship as long as possible, because that's where you're going to be able to have probably the best impact.Its' interesting you brought up Job earlier. And Job's comforters started on the right track. They were there and they sat with Job—Jonathan: Silent.Tim: Silently for seven days. And then it was when they started to open their mouths they got themselves into trouble, and I think we can learn something from that. So we want to hear, “Hey, tell me your story.”One of the first questions I would want to know is, “What do you mean by deconstruction?” If they're using that word, I want to know if they just mean, “Hey, I'm asking some questions. Hey, I don't know if I believe in this view of creation, baptism, and maybe I'm changing.”Okay, that's different than what we're seeing online, okay, this idea of a postmodern process. So I want to nail down, okay, what are you going through and what kind of process or methodology are you using to go through it? I want to be able to identify those things.And of course, in the book we talk about this idea of triage. If you have a gunshot wound to the head but a broken finger, they're treating the gunshot wound to the head, right, the thing that's more serious. And in a similar way, once you understand where this person's coming from, you've heard their story, you're going to be able to do some triage. Okay, what's the most important thing in this moment? Is it that I answer all these questions that I'm having? Is it that they just need me to be with them because they are going through something? And I think that's important because sometimes we miss the mark. Especially as apologists, oh, let me answer that question. Let's go for coffee. I'm going to fix your theology and then we'll be back on track.Jonathan: We're going to fix the problem, yeah.Tim: That's likely not going to happen. And then finally, I would just say continue to pray. We cannot underestimate the power of prayer. If someone is going through deconstruction, what they need is God. They need the Holy Spirit. And so let's petition God on their behalf. Let's pray that God does whatever is necessary to draw that person back to Himself.Jonathan: All right, now thinking for the person who is considering deconstructing their faith. And again, that could be a myriad of different positions along that path, but what are the things you would want them to know?Alisa: Well, so here's what I would say. If someone is considering deconstruction as if it's like an option, “Oh, maybe I'll deconstruct my faith,” and there's no crisis that's actually throwing you in deconstruction, I would say you don't need to do that. There's no biblical command to get saved, get baptized, and then deconstruct your faith. You don't need to do that. If there are some incorrect theological views that you—maybe you grew up in a very legalistic stream of Christianity. Maybe you grew up in the Mormon church. Maybe you grew up as  Jehovah's Witness and you need to go to Scripture, make Scripture your authority, and then get rid of beliefs that were taught to you that are not biblical. I want you to know that that is a biblical process and that is what you should do.Jonathan: This is what we call disentangling, right, that we were talking about.Alisa: Yes. In our book, we would call it reformation. But yeah, Jinger Duggar calls it disentangling. I don't care what you call it. I would just really encourage you to not use the word deconstruction, because deconstruction is a very specific thing that isn't about getting your theological beliefs corrected according to the Bible, and so we want to be reforming our faith according to Scripture. And so if you need to disentangle, as Jinger would say, or reform beliefs that were unbiblical, please do that. And that can be a very long process. It can be a difficult process. But if someone is listening who's maybe propelled into deconstruction through some church abuse or whatever it might be, my encouragement would sort  of be the same. It's actually good for you to get rid of beliefs that led to abuse, that Jesus stands against abuse as well. But I would just encourage you not to get sucked into this sort of deconstruction movement, because it's not based on absolute truth. It's not based on Scripture. And it's not going to lead you to any sort of healing and wholeness spiritually. And so whether you're just considering it intellectually or you're just interested, I would resist it. And that's … There's going to be well-meaning evangelical leaders that will tell you you can deconstruct according to the bible, but I don't think you can. And so let's keep our language and the way we think about this biblical rather than bringing in a postmodern concept that just clouds the … muddies the water and causes confusion.Jonathan: All right, this is good because this goes to the next level. What do you say to those who believe that Christianity is toxic or patriarchal? What's your word to them? And then the follow-up to that would be for believers. When do we engage and when do we not engage with people who are kind of promoting that sort of ideology?Tim: I would want to ask some questions, like what do they mean by toxic, what do they do they mean by patriarchal, to nail down those definitions. Are they appealing to something objective or are they appealing to something subjective based on their own personal preferences? I think it's really important that we start with what's true before we can look at whether or not something is toxic, or harmful, or whatever. In the book, we give the example of you stumble upon someone who's kind of beating on someone's chest, and in that moment it may look like they're being abused, but you come to find out that actually they've had a heart attack, and that person is not beating on their chest, they're doing chest compressions, doing CPR. That totally changes how you see that action, right? It goes from being, hey, that's harmful and toxic to, wait, this is lifesaving, this is lifegiving. So I think that's really important, when I see a deconstructionist talk about how hell is causing child abuse, I want to know, first of all, if there is such a place as hell. For them, it's not even on the table; it's not even the question, right, because it's a totally different philosophy, a totally different worldview. I want to look at is this true?I give the example of I told my kids not to jam a knife into the wall socket. Well, why not? Because there's electricity in there and it could electrocute you and kill you. So any good parent warns their kids about that. Or touching the hot stove, these kinds of things. Is it harmful for me to tell them not to do that? Everyone agrees, no, that's not harmful; it's not toxic. Now, it would be toxic if there was no such thing as electricity. If I'm just playing these games where I'm trying to torment my kids so they're scared to do whatever, to actually make them terrified of the stove or something. No. Okay, the reason that they need to be careful around this hot stove or not stuck, stick stuff in the wall outlet is because there are dangers. And if hell really is this kind of danger, then we ought to appropriately talk about this issue. Look, I'm not talking to my three-year-old about eternal conscious torment. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, there is some appropriate when the time is right. Sexuality, we appropriately talk with those … about those issues with our kids. But we do talk about those things, and that's because they're true, and that's were we start.Jonathan: That sort of answers a little bit of the next question, which is that you both dedicated the book to your children. And we're, I think, we've kind of addressed it in terms of being available. But in light of everything that you know and all that is going on with deconstruction and the questions and the struggles of the next generation, how are you taking this and applying this as you raise your children?Alisa: Well, I know that this research has definitely affected how I parent. In fact, I went through a phase in the early stages of the research where I would hear myself saying things, and I was like, “That's going to end up in their deconstruction struggle.” And I found myself almost becoming way too passive for it was probably just a couple of months when the research was so intense, and it was new. And it was like, oh my gosh, all these things i'm saying to my children is what people say they think is toxic and that's what they're deconstructing from.And then I swung back around and I'm like, no, it's my job as a parent to teach my kids what's true about reality. Just because maybe culture things that 2 + 2 = 5 now doesn't mean that I need to cower and say, “Well, you know, I'm not going to be too legalistic about 2 + 2 + 4.” No. 2 + 2 = 4. You can believe what you want, but this is what's true. And so I actually, you know, what I've started to do is tell my kids “Look, it's my job as your mom to teach you what's true about reality. And what you believe about God and what you believe about morality is in the same category of science, math, logic. These are facts about reality. It's my job to teach you. Now, you are the person who chooses to believe it or not.”And so what I've tried to do is really engage my kids in conversations, but knowing also that statistically they might deconstruct one day. I have to leave a lot of that to the Holy Spirit, and also to try to model to my children what a real believer looks like. I think that's a huge, a huge element in parenting is letting our kids see us repent to them if we sin against them, in front of them. Reading our Bibles on a regular basis together, praying together as a family. Not just being Sunday Christians. Here in the South it's real easy to just be that Sunday Christian and then—Jonathan: Haunted by the ghost of Christ.Alisa: That's right. And then you just live like He doesn't exist the rest of the week. And that's the thing about the Bible Belt. Certainly, people aren't acting  … like doing pagan sacrifices during the week. They are pretty much good people. But it's just not relevant to their lives until Sunday comes around. And just being different from that in front of our kids is something I've really tried to engage. And just engaging their questions without pushing them, I think, is a huge thing. Like you mentioned earlier, is letting them have their own story and their own journey. And even as my sons wrestled with the problem of evil for about two years really intensely, I really didn't want to push him. And I just validated that that's a good question, that's an honest question to ask, and let's talk to the Lord about it, let's think through some things. But trying not to push him to just settle really quickly so that he can work this out for himself, with discipleship and the guidance of parents. But that's one of the ways it's really affected my parenting.Tim: That's so good. Yes and amen to all of that. Jonathan: Okay, I second that. All right, give us some hope. This is your part three. Part three. This can all sound pretty scary and off-putting and you need to block it out.Tim: It really really does seem hopeless, especially if you spend any time kind of typing in hashtag deconstruction or hashtag exvangelical. I mean, I would go into my office here and start working and writing and I'd come out and I'd just be like … my mood has changed.Jonathan: Spiritual warfare, for sure.Tim: My wife knew it, oh yeah, my wife saw it and my kids could see it. It was really discouraging. And so I feel for those parents who have that loved one who's going through this, and many do, so we wanted to make sure we end the book on a hopeful note. And one of the things that we were thinking about—in fact, I think it started with a phone call. I called Alisa, and I remember I was sitting at my dining-room table and I had a sermon that I was going to give on deconstruction. And I'm like, Alisa, I need to end this thing with something hopeful because it is so … And I had, actually, a parent reach out to me before I gave the sermon, saying, “I really hope that you're going to give us some hope.” Because they have a child themselves, a young adult, who's deconstructing. I'm thinking, okay, what is it Alisa? Help me out here.And we just started talking back and forth and so I don't know how this came up, but eventually we started thinking about Easter weekend, right, we're coming up to it. Of course, you think about what was going on Friday night. It's like Peter's there; he's seen his Savior, his Messiah being crucified, and his world is turned upside down. We could just imagine what that was like to go through this traumatic experience. And then, of course, it jumps to Sunday and Sunday brings with it resurrected hope, right? And you have the angel shows up, tells the women, you know, go and tell His disciples AND Peter. Like Peter really needs to hear this. Friday night, he denied the Lord three times. It was a bad night for Peter. But he's going to receive this resurrection hope on Sunday.Well, we actually titled the last chapter “Saturday” because we think that a lot of people are living in what could be described as a Saturday. Now again, we're not told much about that particular Easter Saturday, so we can only speculate, but really, I mean, what kind of questions were the disciples, in particular, Peter, asking? Were they starting to doubt some of the things that they had been taught, maybe like trying to explain away some of the miracles they had seen? It wasn't supposed to happen this way, was it? And so there's self-doubt, there's all this trauma that they've experienced. Now of course, Sunday was just around the corner. We think that, look, if that hope can come for Peter, then it can come for you and your loved one, too, right? We don't know what that Saturday looks like. It may not be tomorrow. It may not be just one 24-hour day. It could be months down the road; it could be years down the road; but we think this is a message. Because if it can happen for Peter, it can happen for your loved one. And I think that can move us from a state of “This is completely hopeless, what good can come from this? How can this be undone,” to a state where, no, we can be hopeful. Jesus rose from the grave after being dead. And when that happened, Peter's faith is restored. “Do you love me?” He says, “Yeah, I love you.” Three times, kind of like paralleling the three denials.Jonathan: Exactly.Tim: And then the Church is built on this confession. So I mean that brings me hope, and hopefully it brings hope to others who are going through this.Jonathan: Just one final question. Have you seen anyone who's been restored out of this?Alisa: You know what? I have heard a few stories, but these are people that have platforms. So I have several people that are part of my Facebook community who have said they deconstructed into progressive Christianity but have been brought back. I have had a couple of people on my personal podcast who had deconstructed. One is a guy name Dave Stovall. We actually tell his story in the book. He was in the band Audio Adrenaline, and he deconstructed into progressive Christianity and then a local pastor here in town discipled him back to the historic Christian faith and had all these difficult conversations with him and engaged him in conversation. So I think we are seeing some. We're not seeing a lot yet, but I think a lot of the stories maybe are just more private, where people aren't necessarily shouting it on social media. But yeah, the Lord's at work, absolutely.Jonathan: That's good.Tim: Yeah, I can echo that, too. We've been … A I travel around teaching and speaking, I'll have people come up to me and usually you get a lot of people saying, “Thanks for hits information. I had no idea this was going on.” But this one guy, he said, “I went through deconstruction.” And he said, “It was when you put up your definition of deconstruction that you had me because that”—Alisa: Wow!Tim: I thought he was going to push back and be like, “But that's not how you define it. Instead, he said, “You had me as soon as you put up your definition.” Why? “Because,” he said, “that exactly described the process that I was going through.” And yet, here he was on that Sunday morning at church kind of completely kind of turning a corner and willing to say, “No, I'm willing to follow the truth wherever it leads.”And that led him to affirming that the Bible is God's Word, and now he's trying to align his beliefs. And of course, that's a journey we're all on. I have false beliefs right now; I just don't know which ones are false, right? I'm always trying to correct my mistaken beliefs and make them align with Scripture. And praise the Lord, that was the journey he was on.Jonathan: Oh, amen. Well, the book is The Deconstruction of Christianity: What It Is, Why It's Destructive and How To Respond. Alisa Childers, Tim Barnett, thank you, guys, so much for being on Candid Conversations. I've really enjoyed our talk today.Alisa: Me, too. Thanks so much.Tim: Yeah, this was a lot of fun. Thanks for having us.Jonathan: God bless.

Former Jets defensive end Carl Lawson visited with the Dolphins earlier this week according to Aaron Wilson, reporter for NFL for Houston's KPRC 2 news station. A former fourth-round pick, we investigate how the addition of Lawson could help Miami overcome injuries at outside linebacker. This clip originally aired on the podcast: Dolphins Draft Guide: Everything You Need to Know About the 2024 Defensive Tackle Class Another Dolphins Podcast is hosted by Joshua Houtz (@Houtz) and Jake Mendel (@JMendel94). Jake and Josh are joined by Cat (@BrianCatNFL) for this episode of ADP. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Buffalo Bills and the rest of the NFL will soon start filling out their 2024 rosters through free agency. On today's episode, Joe Marino considers NFL Free Agent options the Buffalo Bills should pursue along the defensive line at defensive tackle and defensive end. The show is focused on the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott, Brandon Beane, Josh Allen, Bobby Babich, Von Miller, Greg Rousseau, Ed Oliver, AJ Epenesa, Daquan Jones, Poona Ford, Leonard Floyd, Tim Settle, Carl Lawson, Clelin Ferrell, Dawuane Smoot, Trevis Gipson, Greg Gaines, Shelby Harris, Malcolm Roach, Sebastian Joseph-Day, James Lynch, Free Agent, NFL Free Agency, Bills Offseason, Bills Reaction, Salary Cap and more! JOIN THE LOCKED ON BILLS SUBTEXT COMMUNITY: https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbillsFollow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms… 

Welcome back to ‘Ghosts and Grit'.  In an all new ‘Ghosts and Grit' segment, co-hosts Jack Osbourne and Katrina Weidman bring you an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at their hit series, "Portals to Hell." Join them as they unearth the untold stories, the spectral encounters that didn't make the final cut, and dive into the mysteries that lie within each episode.  In this installment, Jack Osbourne and Katrina Weidman take listeners behind the scenes and unravel the mysteries of their latest location, the infamous Bobby Mackey's Music World. Reflecting on their initial thoughts on the location and Katrina's firsthand experience on her show "Paranormal Lockdown," the duo explore the unsettling words of a bishop who predicted a demonic infestation, leading them to unravel the dark tale of caretaker Carl Lawson and his haunting exorcism. As they delve into Cindy Kaza's impressive reading of the site, Katrina shares her own visions, raising the question of whether Cindy is the sole psychic medium among them. Examining their investigation through a Catholic lens, the duo entertains the possibility that demonic entities manipulated them, spiraling the hosts to share their unique beliefs on demons, personal encounters with entities at home, psychic attacks, and Katrina's incredible association with the renowned paranormal investigator, Lorraine Warren. Later the duo reflect on encounters with witnesses who vowed to never return after their own harrowing experiences setting the scene for Jack and Katrina to reveal a series of shocking never before shared, behind-the-scenes truths. From a spine-tingling disclosure of their production manager's incapacitating off-camera paranormal encounter to Jack and Katrina finding themselves in different ERs across the country from one another, a mere 48 hours after the investigation, no stone is left unturned.  

Gio is wearing a Giants helmet the rest of the show as he's backing them this week against the Jets. Boomer thinks the Jets have the better team and will win ‘comfortably'. We also talked about potential key injuries in NFL games that will be a factor. Jerry returns for his final update of the day but first we talked about a person on the Williamsburg Bridge who is threatening to jump. Jerry has audio of Bad Tiki singing his Halloween song about Morash. Jerry has audio from last night's Bills' win over the Bucs. Wink Martindale talked about Aaron Rodgers' effect on Zach Wilson. Carl Lawson of the Jets was asked about trade rumors. Deshaun Watson talked about rehabbing his injury and asked, ‘why wouldn't I want to play?' The Rangers won in Edmonton 3-0 and the Islanders beat the Senators 3-2. The Moment of The Day involves bed bugs and pubic lice. In the final segment of the week, it's our NFL picks with Boomer, Gio & Jerry.

Hour 1 The Bills beat the Bucs and there was a back door cover. Boomer said the Bills still don't look right. Boomer still thinks the Jets are going to ‘squash' the Giants. Dalvin Cook is unhappy with his lack of playing time with the Jets. Boomer thinks he showed up out of shape and he was really here for an insurance policy if Breece Hall got hurt. Boomer said Rob Saleh has to tell the team they are 3-3, anything is possible and he needs all hands on deck. Jerry is here for his first update and starts with the Bills improving to 5-3 with a win over the Bucs last night. Baker Mayfield said ‘losing three in a row sucks'. Dalvin Cook talked about his reduced role with the Jets. Deshaun Watson met the media and refuted the idea that he doesn't want to play. The Rangers won in Edmonton 3-0 and the Islanders beat the Senators 3-2. James Harden wasn't allowed on the Sixers team plane. Dusty Baker said he still has plenty to do in his life.In the final segment of the hour, someone in the NBA is investigating why James Harden was not at the game in Milwaukee. The Sixers may have violated an NBA policy by not having Harden in the building in Milwaukee.  Hour 2 Boomer & Gio went golfing yesterday and there was some controversy. They also played cornhole but Boomer hates it because it's boring. The weather for Sunday for Jets/Giants is in the 52 degree range and rain. Gio thinks that favors the Giants with the veteran QB. Jerry returns for an update and starts with the Bills beating the Bucs, who almost won it on a hail mary. Todd Bowles talked about all the penalties. Saquon Barkley said Jets/Giants does mean a little more than a regular game. Brandon Tierney needs an answer on if Zach Wilson is good or not. Dalvin Cook talked about his minimal role with the Jets so far. The Rangers won in Edmonton 3-0 and the Islanders beat the Senators 3-2. Matt Martin got into a fight last night and we hear an excited woman rooting him on. Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith got into it on TNT about the Sixers not letting James Harden on the plane. Jeopardy contestants are clueless in the Hall of Fame sports category. In the final segment of the hour, Tommy Pham was talking about the Mets again, saying the Diamondbacks' players are still working hard to get better and still have drive.  Hour 3 Boomer said the Jets will beat the Giants ‘comfortably'. Originally he was calling it a ‘squash spot' and he seems to be backing off of that. Gio is feeling the Giants this week. He likes Wink Martindale's defense against Zach Wilson and he doesn't like Wilson in the rain. A caller wants to know if Daniel  Jones is really better than Zach Wilson. Gio said it's Jones and it's not even close. Boomer thinks Zach is having a better season. Jerry returns for an update but first we talked about ladybugs coming out of the woodwork since it was nice weather yesterday. A caller said they are lady beetles, not ladybugs. We also talked about bed bugs and crabs. Jerry quickly goes over the sports scores from last night. In the final segment of the hour, Gio isn't sure who to pick for his Knockout Pool. Gio was thinking Miami over the Patriots. Boomer said to take the Ravens over the Cardinals. We played Guess The Spread with Boomer.  Hour 4 Gio is wearing a Giants helmet the rest of the show as he's backing them this week against the Jets. Boomer thinks the Jets have the better team and will win ‘comfortably'. We also talked about potential key injuries in NFL games that will be a factor. Jerry returns for his final update of the day but first we talked about a person on the Williamsburg Bridge who is threatening to jump. Jerry has audio of Bad Tiki singing his Halloween song about Morash. Jerry has audio from last night's Bills' win over the Bucs. Wink Martindale talked about Aaron Rodgers' effect on Zach Wilson. Carl Lawson of the Jets was asked about trade rumors. Deshaun Watson talked about rehabbing his injury and asked, ‘why wouldn't I want to play?' The Rangers won in Edmonton 3-0 and the Islanders beat the Senators 3-2. The Moment of The Day involves bed bugs and pubic lice. In the final segment of the week, it's our NFL picks with Boomer, Gio & Jerry.

The Atlanta Falcons must avoid the turnover bug that has plagued them this season if they hope to take another step and get their second consecutive road win vs. the Tennessee Titans in Week 8. Host Aaron Freeman and guest Jarvis Davis (@LockedOnATL) discuss how the Falcons offense has taken major strides in moving the ball effectively but it hasn't manifested yet on the scoreboard due to their propensity to shoot themselves in the foot with interceptions and fumbles.Later, they discuss if the Titans starting a rookie quarterback in Will Levis will lead to the Falcons being too complacent and the challenges they face against a physical running back like Derrick Henry. Jarvis also makes his pitch to the Falcons front office to make a trade for New York Jets pass-rusher Carl Lawson ahead of next week's trade deadline.Part of the @LockedOnATLFollow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

The Atlanta Falcons must avoid the turnover bug that has plagued them this season if they hope to take another step and get their second consecutive road win vs. the Tennessee Titans in Week 8. Host Aaron Freeman and guest Jarvis Davis (@LockedOnATL) discuss how the Falcons offense has taken major strides in moving the ball effectively but it hasn't manifested yet on the scoreboard due to their propensity to shoot themselves in the foot with interceptions and fumbles. Later, they discuss if the Titans starting a rookie quarterback in Will Levis will lead to the Falcons being too complacent and the challenges they face against a physical running back like Derrick Henry. Jarvis also makes his pitch to the Falcons front office to make a trade for New York Jets pass-rusher Carl Lawson ahead of next week's trade deadline. Part of the @LockedOnATL Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

This week on the AEBG podcast.......Dalvin Cook wants the ball more? Carl Lawson wants to play more? Are both players now on the trade block moving forward in 2023? Why both situations are different. How will this play out? JETS vs GIANTS this weekend! What are the keys to victory? Are the Giants better with Tyrod Taylor? How do these teams match up? Is SAUCE out? Is DJ reed out? Will Daniel Jones be on the field for Giants? AEBG break down EVERYTHING heading into this big week 8 battle!

With eight weeks of the NFL season now in the books, it's time to consider how those results impact the forecast of the AFC. And with the NFL trade deadline fast-approaching, it's time to consider which players could be on the move and which teams will be buyers and sellers. How do the Dudes stack up the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, New England Patriots, Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Indianapolis Colts, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers, Denver Broncos? Could the likes of Derrick Henry, Khalil Mack, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, Carl Lawson and others be on the move? Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

With eight weeks of the NFL season now in the books, it's time to consider how those results impact the forecast of the AFC. And with the NFL trade deadline fast-approaching, it's time to consider which players could be on the move and which teams will be buyers and sellers. How do the Dudes stack up the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, New England Patriots, Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Indianapolis Colts, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers, Denver Broncos? Could the likes of Derrick Henry, Khalil Mack, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, Carl Lawson and others be on the move?  Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

Scott Mason talks with Glenn Naughton of Jetnation.com for a look at the breaking news surrounding the New York Jets! Glenn discusses the news regarding AVT's injury, how the injury could be a crippling blow for both AVT and the Jets, what Gang Green can do from here at offensive tackle, some concerning words from Robert Saleh about Mekhi Becton, what the eventual return of Duane Brown could do for the team, some perplexing quotes regarding Carl Lawson and Mecole Hardman ......and much more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full All-22 film breakdown of Quinnen Williams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7RkSWhZUxw&t=206s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Play Like A Jet" logo shirt RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/19770068-play-like-a-jet-logo-shirt?store_id=717242 To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hour 3: Sean Payton commented on the NFL gambling policy, saying they are sending players away instead of giving them help. Boomer said the rules are pretty clear. 10 NFL players have been suspended for gambling so far. A caller said Morash talks the entire afternoon show and wonders why his name is not in the title. Gio shares his theory. Jerry returns for an update and starts with audio from last night's Mets win over the Yankees in the Bronx. Buck Showalter talked about Alonso's 2 HRs. Alonso talked about Verlander giving them a solid six innings. Breaking news: Andrew Thomas just signed a huge 5-year extension with the Giants. Jerry said if he's Saquon he's pissed. Aaron Boone was on with Jomboy and didn't seem amused by his ‘trivia'. Carl Lawson of the Jets is trying not to pay attention to all the attention the Jets are getting. Robert Saleh said Aaron Rodgers ‘glows in the dark'. Jerry Jones talked about the Franchise Tag on Tony Pollard. Brock Purdy has been cleared with no restrictions and Christian McCaffrey is happy about that. In the final segment of the hour, we were nominated for a Marconi Award for ‘Major Market Personality of The Year'.

Hour 1: Last night we saw the Mets team they were supposed to be all season. Justin Verlander pitched great, Pete Alonso hit 2 HRs. This is the team they were supposed to be. But their bullpen did not look good. The Yankees season seems to be at a crossroads right now. Justin Herbert got a huge extension with the Chargers. Joe Burrow is up next. Details of the Aaron Rodgers contract emerged and it's going to cost the Jets over $100 million next season. If Rodgers plays for 3 years, Zach Wilson is a goner. Boomer said Zach Wilson could be the next Geno Smith. It's rare, but it does happen. Jerry is here for his first update and starts with the sounds of the Mets beating the Yankees last night 9-3. Alonso talked about finally being productive the last few games. Verlander said he's starting to feel sharper. Francisco Alvarez was hit on the hand with a pitch but x-rays were negative. Aaron Judge could be back this weekend against the Orioles. The Braves turned a very rare 8-3-5 triple play. Brian Daboll talked about having Saquon Barkley signed. Mike Francesa was on SNY with Sal Licata and JJ. Chris Russo had a problem pronouncing ‘click bait'. In the final segment of the hour, Boomer said route 22 in Union, NJ has more strip malls than anyplace on Long Island. The Gilgo Beach killer did not have any bodies buried in the backyard so his family is free to move back into the house. Boomer couldn't believe the wife and kids would want to move back into that house.  Hour 2: Jaylen Brown got a super-max contract with the Celtics. Gio said this feels like the most overplayed player ever in sports. This is a record breaking contract. He's not even the best player on his own team and he's the highest paid player in the NBA now. Justin Herbert also got a huge deal from the Chargers which means Joe Burrow is up next. Evan needs to step his game up in the looks/fashion department now that he's sitting next to Tiki Barber. Morash wants to be called Shaun instead of his last name. Jerry returns for an update. He will be going to see Jordan Davis & Dierks Bentley Thursday night. Gio is playing golf Thursday when it's supposed to feel live over 100 degrees. Jerry starts with audio from last night's Mets win over the Yankees. Alonso hit 2 HRs and had 5 RBIs. Alonso said he kept it simple, swinging at stuff in his area. Verlander pitched well and said he's not thinking about the trade deadline. Francisco Alvarez took a pitch to his hand but x-rays were negative. The Giants have their first training camp practice today. Jerry Jones talked about offensive play calling. Bill Belichick was asked about expectations and he gave the type of answer you expect. Ron Rivera is pumped for new ownership in Washington. In the final segment of the hour, Ariana Grande has a new boyfriend and he is not a good looking guy. Gio said the guy looks like ‘if Evan got too close to the microwave'. He also thinks he looks like Evan's brother, if he lived near Chernobyl.  Hour 3: Sean Payton commented on the NFL gambling policy, saying they are sending players away instead of giving them help. Boomer said the rules are pretty clear. 10 NFL players have been suspended for gambling so far. A caller said Morash talks the entire afternoon show and wonders why his name is not in the title. Gio shares his theory. Jerry returns for an update and starts with audio from last night's Mets win over the Yankees in the Bronx. Buck Showalter talked about Alonso's 2 HRs. Alonso talked about Verlander giving them a solid six innings. Breaking news: Andrew Thomas just signed a huge 5-year extension with the Giants. Jerry said if he's Saquon he's pissed. Aaron Boone was on with Jomboy and didn't seem amused by his ‘trivia'. Carl Lawson of the Jets is trying not to pay attention to all the attention the Jets are getting. Robert Saleh said Aaron Rodgers ‘glows in the dark'. Jerry Jones talked about the Franchise Tag on Tony Pollard. Brock Purdy has been cleared with no restrictions and Christian McCaffrey is happy about that. In the final segment of the hour, we were nominated for a Marconi Award for ‘Major Market Personality of The Year'.  Hour 4: A crane collapsed in NYC this morning and a crazy video of it has emerged. The Mets beat the Yankees last night and tonight the Yankees have Carlos Rodon on the mound. Boomer called him a ‘thorn in Brian Cashman's side'. Three of Dave Gettleman's picks got second contracts and Boomer wonders if it changes his legacy. Boomer would still take Joe Schoen over Gettleman. Jerry returns for an update and starts with Pete Alonso hitting 2 HRs and collecting 5 RBIs as the Mets beat the Yankees. Justin Verlander said he feels sharper in his last few starts. Francisco Alvarez was hit in the hand with a pitch but the x-rays were negative. In the final segment of the show, Gio was wondering how many midday shows Dov has run the board for. He has been at WFAN since day 1. There have been 10 midday shows that he worked and 12 total.

The New York Jets have Super Bowl dreams in 2023. Aaron Rodgers is now the quarterback. The stakes are huge. There are also players on the roster who face pivotal moments in their careers like Mekhi Becton, Carl Lawson, and Corey Davis. These players will also have a big impact on whether the Jets reach their potential in the upcoming season.Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

The New York Jets have Super Bowl dreams in 2023. Aaron Rodgers is now the quarterback. The stakes are huge. There are also players on the roster who face pivotal moments in their careers like Mekhi Becton, Carl Lawson, and Corey Davis. These players will also have a big impact on whether the Jets reach their potential in the upcoming season. Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets defensive end Carl Lawson. The two talk about how he has been able to come back from multiple injuries in his football career (1:23), Lawson's assessment of his play last season (4:48) and what Lawson's mother has meant to him on and off the field (8:16). They discuss what makes Lawson such a dominant pass rusher (12:00), what he thinks is next for him (15:25) and they go over the teams defensive end group (16:50). Lastly, they chat about his mindset when on the field (23:45), the impact of Aaron Rodgers (25:55) and his contract negotiations coming into the season (27:40).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets defensive end Carl Lawson. The two talk about how he has been able to come back from multiple injuries in his football career (1:23), Lawson's assessment of his play last season (4:48) and what Lawson's mother has meant to him on and off the field (8:16). They discuss what makes Lawson such a dominant pass rusher (12:00), what he thinks is next for him (15:25) and they go over the teams defensive end group (16:50). Lastly, they chat about his mindset when on the field (23:45), the impact of Aaron Rodgers (25:55) and his contract negotiations coming into the season (27:40).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets defensive end Carl Lawson. The two talk about how he has been able to come back from multiple injuries in his football career (1:23), Lawson's assessment of his play last season (4:48) and what Lawson's mother has meant to him on and off the field (8:16). They discuss what makes Lawson such a dominant pass rusher (12:00), what he thinks is next for him (15:25) and they go over the teams defensive end group (16:50). Lastly, they chat about his mindset when on the field (23:45), the impact of Aaron Rodgers (25:55) and his contract negotiations coming into the season (27:40).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets Defensive Coordinator Jeff Ulbrich. The two talk about the strides the defensive unit made in 2022 (1:15), the next steps they can make as a group (5:30) and what is in store for All-Pro cornerback Sauce Gardner (8:20). They discuss the benefits the Jets have with the strength in numbers on the pass rush (14:45), specifically what Ulbrich has seen in Carl Lawson in his preparation for the season (18:30) and the linebacker group led by captain C.J. Mosley (20:50). Lastly, Ulbrich explains the excitement he has for the current safeties on the roster (23:35), the transition happening on the inside of the defensive line (31:00) and his reaction to the acquisition of quarterback Aaron Rodgers (35:35).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets Defensive Coordinator Jeff Ulbrich. The two talk about the strides the defensive unit made in 2022 (1:15), the next steps they can make as a group (5:30) and what is in store for All-Pro cornerback Sauce Gardner (8:20). They discuss the benefits the Jets have with the strength in numbers on the pass rush (14:45), specifically what Ulbrich has seen in Carl Lawson in his preparation for the season (18:30) and the linebacker group led by captain C.J. Mosley (20:50). Lastly, Ulbrich explains the excitement he has for the current safeties on the roster (23:35), the transition happening on the inside of the defensive line (31:00) and his reaction to the acquisition of quarterback Aaron Rodgers (35:35).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Host Eric Allen is joined in studio by Jets Defensive Coordinator Jeff Ulbrich. The two talk about the strides the defensive unit made in 2022 (1:15), the next steps they can make as a group (5:30) and what is in store for All-Pro cornerback Sauce Gardner (8:20). They discuss the benefits the Jets have with the strength in numbers on the pass rush (14:45), specifically what Ulbrich has seen in Carl Lawson in his preparation for the season (18:30) and the linebacker group led by captain C.J. Mosley (20:50). Lastly, Ulbrich explains the excitement he has for the current safeties on the roster (23:35), the transition happening on the inside of the defensive line (31:00) and his reaction to the acquisition of quarterback Aaron Rodgers (35:35).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the week's episode, Glenn Naughton breaks down more of Robert Saleh's pressers from OTAs, as well as some player presser including Carl Lawson and C.J. Mosley. He also discusses the comments about Will McDonald and what he can provide as a rookie.

In this episode, we recap a week full of Jets OTAs. How has Carl Lawson looked through a few open-media practices? Also, Coach Saleh speaks on a few pressing items at his pre-practice press conference. How long until we can expect a contract agreement between the Jets and Quinnen Williams? That, and much more. If you've enjoyed this episode, make sure to leave a positive rating if you're listening on Apple. Enjoy!

Scott Mason talks with Antwan Staley of the New York Daily News to recap everything that happened during the Jets' Tuesday OTA practice! Antwan provides an Aaron Rodgers 7 on 7 report, discusses his observations from practice, newsworthy quotes from Robert Saleh including one regarding the cancellation of next week's mandatory mini-camp, words from Carl Lawson, Solomon Thomas, Laken Tomlinson, CJ Mosley, and more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full Al Woods film breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acyd6nknNu0&t=347s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Play Like A Jet" logo shirt RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/19770068-play-like-a-jet-logo-shirt?store_id=717242 To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt O'Leary discusses the New York Jets LT competition, OTAs storylines, Carl Lawson's growth, Quinnen William's contract, and more. 00:00 Intro01:25 Duane Brown vs Mekhi Becton 09:30 Jets OTA Storylines22:43 Voicemails Subscribe to the Talkin Jets Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkinJets/ MattOLearyNY Merch Shop: https://bit.ly/3oclrNn USE PROMO CODE JETS20 FOR 20% OFF AND FREE SHIPPING AT https://www.manscaped.com Social: Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattolearynyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattolearyny?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pcInstagram: https://instagram.com/mattolearyny​Call in and leave a voicemail: 631-517-0782 JUST JETS PODCAST: https://linktr.ee/justjets MattOLearyNY Extra Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/MattOLearyNYExtra MUSIC - Saint Saxon Sound   Lia Saint Saxon - Lofi Hip Hop Beats to Relax/Study tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuBuZy0pxE&t=2314s Saint Saxon Sound Youtube Channel: https://bit.ly/3CWknIASee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, we recap an eventful string of OTA practices thus far for the Jets. What exactly happened to QB Aaron Rodgers at Tuesday's OTA session. Why did it turn into a massive overreaction by the national media? Also, Carl Lawson recently, selflessly, restructured his contract. How does Lawson's dip in pay benefit the team in the long run (short run?)? That, and much more. If you've enjoyed this episode, make sure to leave a positive rating if you're listening on Apple. Enjoy!

Tonight, live at 7pm eastern I'll be discussing the Jets having issues with Quinnen Williams, Carl Lawson's contract being restructured and Aaron Rodgers! Was restructuring Lawson's contract a good move by the Jets? Do you believe Joe Douglas will get Quinnen Williams re-signed? All those questions will asked and more! I take live callers! The number to call in is (515) 602-9639! Call in and share your takes! GO JETS! Here's all of my social media and content: https://linktr.ee/LongBeachJoe

Carl Lawson's contract status was one of the unresolved questions of the New York Jets offseason. We now know the defensive end will be back with the Jets in 2023 on a reduced contract. Lawson's contract will also push much of his remaining 2023 salary to future seasons to maximize the Jets' cap space.Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

Carl Lawson's contract status was one of the unresolved questions of the New York Jets offseason. We now know the defensive end will be back with the Jets in 2023 on a reduced contract. Lawson's contract will also push much of his remaining 2023 salary to future seasons to maximize the Jets' cap space. Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…

IDP Nation EP #198 The Browns are acquiring Za'Darius Smith via trade with the Vikings. The full trade will see the Browns acquire Smith and 2025 sixth- and seventh-round draft picks in exchange for sending 2024 and 2025 fifth-round picks to the Vikings, Pelissero reported. Smith has also reworked his contract, which guarantees him $11.75 million in 2023 and he'll be a free agent in 2024 Cowboys DC Dan Quinn told reporters that LB Micah Parsons is not making a full time move to DE. “He's a pass-rushing linebacker. If you ever need position changes, come to me" Ravens GM Eric DeCosta said the Ravens “want to keep Patrick on this team. We will, at some point, try to get him signed.” They didn't pick up his 5th year option. The sale of the Washington Commanders, for $6.05B a new NFL record, is currently waiting on approval by the owners. To become official 24 of 32 NFL owners must approve. The NFL released it's schedule for the 2023 season Main Event Arizona Cardinals LB Zaven Collins now has dual eligibility on Sleeper. Does this help his value overall? Which position is he best played at in Fantasy? With the trade of Za'Darius Smith to the Browns, does this help the value of Marcus Davenport in Minny? Favorite IDP DL for the Jets? Carl Lawson? Jermaine Johnson? Will McDonald? Quinnen Williams? Listener Questions Twitter @Justice_2318 What are your thoughts on Jonathan Owens in Green Bay? Redditt u/Franklin_the_Turtle Best rookie ILB after Jack Campbell? Redditt u/Acekingspade81 He wants to hear why I don't believe there is any real difference between, Simpson, Sanders, and Henley? Redditt u/Hatemail375 (new follower) Which rookie CB puts together the best year this season? Redditt u/Thanatos_Marathon Dynasty IDP: Who are your top 2 favorite rookies at DE, LB, SAF? Potential waiver wire SAF targets with breakout potential, likely dropped due to injury that are back? Who are some offensive rookies that we like and dislike? Favorite appetizer when you're watching games? Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers as the QB of the New York Jets? Favorite band or song? Thoughts on Myles Sanders to the Carolina Panthers? Favorite Movie? Late round steals --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/darrell-winstead/support

Host Eric Allen checks in from the League Meeting in Arizona and is first joined by NFL Network's Steve Wyche. They discuss the league allowing players to wear the number 0 (0:45), the rookie season of Sauce Gardner (1:20) and the play of the Jets defense as a whole (4:20). Lastly, they talk about the bounce-back season for Carl Lawson (5:45), the jump in Quinnen Williams' game (7:00), how the dynamic changes for the 2023 Jets with the acquisition of a veteran quarterback (8:41) and his part of the door knocks that Joe Klecko and Darrelle Revis received from the Pro Football Hall of Fame (17:33). Then EA checks in with SiriusXM host Pat Kirwan and they dive into the latest negotiations for a veteran quarterback (20:00), who the Jets should pursue with the 13th overall pick (23:10) and the deep tight end position in the 2023 NFL Draft (24:30). Lastly, they talk about what Nathaniel Hackett will bring to the Jets (26:05), the new wide receiver room in Florham Park (27:06) and take a look around the AFC East (29:55).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chase Thomas is the Sports Renaissance Man, Atlanta Sports Guy & VFL. On today's program, Chase is joined by 92.9 The Game's Garrett Chapman and FOX 5's Miles Garrett to talk about the terrible Atlanta Hawks, what happened against Charlotte and New York, their lack of big moves at the NBA Trade Deadline, if Carl Lawson makes sense for the Falcons, who the Falcons take in Round 2 of the NFL Draft, Gibbs as an option for the Falcons, Michael Harris II in Year 2 in the 2 hole, and how many starts Marcell Ozuna gets at DH this year. Host: Chase Thomas Guests: Miles Garrett, Garrett Chapman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Scott Mason talks with Andy Vasquez of NJ.com to review the Jets' 40-17 victory over the Miami Dolphins at MetLife Stadium! Andy discusses the 2022 home debut of Zach Wilson, Breece Hall's phenomenal performance and how it laid out the blueprint for what the Jets' coaches want the team's offense to be, more shuffling along the offensive line, two major early injuries that changed the trajectory of the game for the Dolphins including QB Teddy Bridgewater, another excellent showing for Quinnen Williams, Sauce Gardner, and Carl Lawson, a rough day for Gang Green's run defense, injury updates, quotes from inside the locker room, and much more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full film reviews of the Jets draft picks Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Max Mitchell, Breece Hall, Jeremy Ruckert, and Micheal Clemons - and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already! https://youtu.be/HfPG7KcHeBc https://youtu.be/Hf8cqCLU0a8 https://youtu.be/_KG0YtM4reE https://youtu.be/UInHP3EG2F0 https://youtu.be/c51fp0YS96g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGq7LI082Nk&t=30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeNwCJGOe4&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyUy8MCGYw&t=18s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Zach Says Go Long" shirt (artwork courtesy of the incredible _@canibefrank on instagram) RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/24734143-new-york-jets-zach-says-go-long-t-shirt?store_id=717242 To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com for a chat about the breaking news on Zach Wilson's return date and the midweek news and notes surrounding the New York Jets! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scott Mason talks with Chris Nimbley of Jetsinsider.com for a chat about day #19 of 2022 Jets training camp! Chris discusses the return of Quinnen Williams, the Jets' debut of Duane Brown in 11 on 11s, another strong practice for Sauce Gardner, Bradlee Anae: Strip Sack King of Florham Park, a solid practice for Joe Flacco including a scramble TD that shocked everybody in attendance, words from Robert Saleh, Carl Lawson, and Breece Hall, injury updates, the latest news and notes, and much more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full film reviews of the Jets draft picks Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Max Mitchell, Breece Hall, Jeremy Ruckert, and Micheal Clemons - and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already! https://youtu.be/HfPG7KcHeBc https://youtu.be/Hf8cqCLU0a8 https://youtu.be/_KG0YtM4reE https://youtu.be/UInHP3EG2F0 https://youtu.be/c51fp0YS96g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGq7LI082Nk&t=30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeNwCJGOe4&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyUy8MCGYw&t=18s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Zach Says Go Long" shirt (artwork courtesy of the incredible _@canibefrank on instagram) RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/24734143-new-york-jets-zach-says-go-long-t-shirt?store_id=717242 Enter to win a Broadway Joe Namath autographed poster by going to Pristineauction.Com/Register and signing up using the promo code PLAJ! This episode is supported by MANSCAPED! Get 20% off + free shipping by using our code PLAJ at manscaped.com To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scott Mason talks with Chris Nimbley of Jetsinsider.com for a chat about day #15 of 2022 Jets training camp! Chris discusses the big news update following the completion of Zach Wilson's surgery, the contract numbers that have been released for Duane Brown, a big day for Joe Flacco and the offense, another one of Corey Davis' continued strong under the radar performances, Carl Lawson and Jermaine Johnson making big plays on the edge, words from Robert Saleh, Brant Boyer, Jeff Ulbrich, and Duane Brown, injury updates, the latest news and notes, and much more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full film reviews of the Jets draft picks Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Max Mitchell, Breece Hall, Jeremy Ruckert, and Micheal Clemons - and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already! https://youtu.be/HfPG7KcHeBc https://youtu.be/Hf8cqCLU0a8 https://youtu.be/_KG0YtM4reE https://youtu.be/UInHP3EG2F0 https://youtu.be/c51fp0YS96g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGq7LI082Nk&t=30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeNwCJGOe4&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyUy8MCGYw&t=18s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Zach Says Go Long" shirt (artwork courtesy of the incredible _@canibefrank on instagram) RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/24734143-new-york-jets-zach-says-go-long-t-shirt?store_id=717242 Enter to win a Broadway Joe Namath autographed poster by going to Pristineauction.Com/Register and signing up using the promo code PLAJ! This episode is supported by MANSCAPED! Get 20% off + free shipping by using our code PLAJ at manscaped.com To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scott Mason talks with Robby Sabo of Jetsxfactor for a chat about day #12 of 2022 Jets training camp! Robby discusses the new offensive line competition, another strong day for Zach Wilson, a solid practice for the Jets' receivers, Sauce Gardner continuing to shine, more training camp fights, words from Robert Saleh, Carl Lawson, and Zach Wilson, injury updates, the latest news and notes, and much more! Check out the Play Like A Jet YouTube channel featuring Luke Grant's full film reviews of the Jets draft picks Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Max Mitchell, Breece Hall, Jeremy Ruckert, and Micheal Clemons - and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already! https://youtu.be/HfPG7KcHeBc https://youtu.be/Hf8cqCLU0a8 https://youtu.be/_KG0YtM4reE https://youtu.be/UInHP3EG2F0 https://youtu.be/c51fp0YS96g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGq7LI082Nk&t=30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeNwCJGOe4&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyUy8MCGYw&t=18s Check out the Play Like A Jet store and get your "Zach Says Go Long" shirt (artwork courtesy of the incredible _@canibefrank on instagram) RIGHT NOW! Hoodies, hats, mugs, etc.....also available! https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/24734143-new-york-jets-zach-says-go-long-t-shirt?store_id=717242 Enter to win a Broadway Joe Namath autographed poster by going to Pristineauction.Com/Register and signing up using the promo code PLAJ! This episode is supported by MANSCAPED! Get 20% off + free shipping by using our code PLAJ at manscaped.com To advertise on Play Like A Jet, please contact: Justin@Brokencontrollermedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe recap all the latest news from around the league. We begin the show with an important ATN announcement (2:23) before getting into the news. Kareem Hunt's trade request was swiftly denied by the Browns (10:20), and Matt Rhule spoke about Sam Darnold trade rumors (13:37). We round up some injuries around the league (17:02) and take a trip to the kicker club to celebrate Justin Tucker's extension (24:01). Then, we combine Connie's Camp Check-Ins with Gregg's training camp takeaways, starting with Colleen's recent trip to Rams camp (33:25). The Patriots have struggled with their new offensive scheme in practices (38:27). Colleen gives us her observations from Bucs training camp (44:53), Carson Wentz continues to struggle with accuracy (48:18), Colleen is excited about the Colts this season (51:42), and the heroes have concerns with the Packers' offensive line situation (55:55). The gang runs through some rookies to watch in the preseason (57:30) before we spin through another round of Camp Quotables (1:04:34), hearing from Matt Rhule (again), Mike McCarthy, Geno Smith, Carl Lawson, Russell Wilson and Dan Campbell. Note: timecodes approximate.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe recap all the latest news from around the league. We begin the show with an important ATN announcement (2:23) before getting into the news. Kareem Hunt's trade request was swiftly denied by the Browns (10:20), and Matt Rhule spoke about Sam Darnold trade rumors (13:37). We round up some injuries around the league (17:02) and take a trip to the kicker club to celebrate Justin Tucker's extension (24:01). Then, we combine Connie's Camp Check-Ins with Gregg's training camp takeaways, starting with Colleen's recent trip to Rams camp (33:25). The Patriots have struggled with their new offensive scheme in practices (38:27). Colleen gives us her observations from Bucs training camp (44:53), Carson Wentz continues to struggle with accuracy (48:18), Colleen is excited about the Colts this season (51:42), and the heroes have concerns with the Packers' offensive line situation (55:55). The gang runs through some rookies to watch in the preseason (57:30) before we spin through another round of Camp Quotables (1:04:34), hearing from Matt Rhule (again), Mike McCarthy, Geno Smith, Carl Lawson, Russell Wilson and Dan Campbell. Note: timecodes approximate.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

 Former NFL team executive Joe Banner tells Rich why the Arizona Cardinals “humiliated” Kyler Murray by inserting a mandatory tape study clause in his new contract and why it serves no benefit to the team or to the QB, why Lamar Jackson should sign his Ravens extension sooner rather than later, what the 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo's options are given the limited need for QB's around the league, why the Niners and Seahawks should get deals done quickly with disgruntled WR's Deebo Samuel and D.K. Metcalf, and why we're still waiting on a ruling on a likely Deshaun Watson suspension.  Rich and Brockman break down the 49ers QB situation and explain why the Niners can't keep Jimmy Garoppolo on the roster after naming Trey Lance their starting QB. Yankees fan Rich reacts to the Pinstripes landing OF Andrew Benintendi from the Royals and says why trading for Nationals slugger Juan Soto comes some risk for interested teams. Rich lists his top 5 NFL players who missed nearly all of 2021 with significant injuries who can have huge impacts on their teams including the Jets' Carl Lawson, the Jags' Travis Etienne, the Lions' Jeff Okudah, the Ravens' JK Dobbins, and the Saints' Michael Thomas. Rich honks for the Los Angeles Rams and says the defending Super Bowl champions aren't getting their due respect when it comes to repeating as champs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices