Podcast appearances and mentions of Jack Bishop

He's cooking our garbage! We're joined by physical media legends Jack Bishop & Corey Clifford  (Cinema Possessed) to talk John Hughes's 1989 John Candy classic Uncle Buck, recently released on 4K UHD from Kino Lorber. Find us on Instagram!

In part 2 of our deep-dive into the history of culinary competition shows, America's Test Kitchen: The Next Generation contestant Garrett Schlichte chronicles the shift from our obsession with hyper-competitive, kitchen-stadium battles to our desire for a different kind of culinary competition show; ones that a decidedly nicer. Plus, Garrett peels the curtain back on his own experience as a contestant on America's Test Kitchen: The Next Generation, and talks to host Jack Bishop about how a show like that gets made.A programming note: Proof will be back in 2025 to bring you all new episodes, so stay tuned!Make Garrett's final recipe from America's Test Kitchen: The Next Generation: Spatchcocked Chicken with Chicken Fat Chimichurri and Tangy Aioli.Get a 14-day free trial for an America's Test Kitchen digital subscription here.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's the secret to making a fluffy omelet or the perfect pie dough? In this interview from 2012, Jack Bishop, now senior content advisor at America's Test Kitchen, debunks cooking myths and highlights some of the surprising finds from the show's cookbook, The Science of Good Cooking.Bishop tells us that water is one of the key parts of the perfect pie crust. You need it to roll out the dough, but it also forms gluten which makes the dough chewy. So, how can your pie dough be both soft and easy to handle? Use science—and a little bit of vodka. Subscribe to this podcast. Plus, to stay updated on all things science, sign up for Science Friday's newsletters.

Today's episode addresses the Elephant in the Room:  The recent scandals involving Jack Bishop and his Gravel Road Market events. Dean, Alison, and Pamela felt it necessary to address this out of respect for the fans and everyone involved who have been affected. We discuss the history with Jack Bishop, the status of Little House fan events, the recent happenings involving Jack Bishop's Gravel Road Market and what were supposed to be cancelled events. Sadly, the cast has had to address further grievances, with more public awareness including an article in People Magazine and a piece on NBC News's Connecticut affiliate (both linked in the show notes below).  After the shocking mishandling of the Connecticut and Lancaster events, we discuss the impact, the aftermath, how the amazing fans have galvanized, and the hopes for what's ahead in the Little House events universe (it's gonna be GREAT!).  On a lighter note, check out our feature in Buzzfeed! Alison and Dean were featured this week in a great interview, which also featured the Podcast! (Link below)  And how else to end the episode but answer some of YOUR listener questions?! THEN Join us on Patreon, where we get loose and talk about… oh… anything! Pamela discusses her recent experience in a developmental workshop of a new musical in NYC and her upcoming show “Twisted Christmas”, premiering at Green Room 42 in NYC on December 3,5 and 6th.  Alison is coming to us from Paris, where she's doing tons of shows before she heads to Ireland to do speaking engagements!  And Dean is giving us hints at possible UK/European/Japan Little House events… (What?! Yeah!!!)  Haven't signed up for Patreon yet? Link is below! PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/LittleHousePodcast Little House on the Prairie's Melissa Gilbert Blasts 50th Anniversary Events: 'Waking Nightmare' (Exclusive)https://people.com/little-house-on-the-prairie-melissa-gilbert-speaks-out-50th-anniversary-events-exclusive-8722293 NBC CT RESPONDS Fans of ‘Little House on Prairie' detail ‘disastrous' 50th anniversary event in CT NBC NEWS-CONNECTICUT-FANS RESPOND Little House on the Prairie Cast Blasts Fired Event Organizer Who Continued to Market Cancelled Fan Events https://tvline.com/news/little-house-on-the-prairie-50th-anniversary-events-cancelled-1235345445/ BUZZFEED ARTICLE FEATURING DEAN, ALISON AND THE PODCAST: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewfirriolo/alison-arngrim-dean-butler-interview www.LittleHouse50Podcast.com to connect with our hosts and link to their websites. *The merch shop is under renovation - we will keep you posted on the status!* www.LivinOnaPrairieTV.com  Check out the award-winning series created by Pamela Bob, with special guest stars Alison Arngrim and Charlotte Stewart. Little House 50th Anniversary Bus Tours -  www.SimiValleyChamber.org   select Little House 50th Anniversary and then Bus Tickets Facebook/Instagram/TikTok: Dean Butler @officialdeanbutler Alison Arngrim @alisonarngrim Pamela Bob @thepamelabob, @prairietv DEAN BUTLER EVENTS October 17 - Burlington, VT - Barnes and Noble October 19 - Burke, NY - Almanzo Wilder Farm November 13 - Branson, MO - Branson Centennial Museum November 24 - Palm Springs, CA - Just Fabulous Book Store May 16-18 - Tulsa, OK - Country Con ALISON ARNGRIM EVENTS New Jersey Collector Fest on November 10th from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm at Wayne PAL (Police Athletic League), 1 PAL Drive, Wayne, NJ 07470 This one-day event is billed as New Jersy's Ultimate Comic, Toy & Art Collectible Supershow! Tickets for General Admission with a 10:30 am start time are $15.00, $6.00 for children under 12. VIP Tickets are $20.00 and include 9:00 am early admission and exclusive limited edition art print. Here's the link for their FaceBook page:  New Jersey FaceBook For tickets go to New Jersey Tickets  This looks to be a smaller, more user-friendly show, and should be a lot of fun. And there may be more guest appearances to be announced. May 16-18 - Tulsa, OK - Country ConPAMELA BOB EVENTSA TWISTED CHRISTAS SHOW CABARET! AT GREEN ROOM 42 12/3,12/5,12/6 MORE INFO TO COME!GREEN ROOM 42 - TICKETS

What is reverse searing, is my avocado ready, is the meat cooked through? Jack Bishop, Chief Creative Officer for America's Test Kitchen answers these and give more cooking tips. Jacqueline Coleman talks about Susana Balbo wines and their 25th anniversary wines. Tune into Food News and Views on all major podcast sites. 

For the next couple of weeks on our podcast, Proof from America's Test Kitchen, we'll bring you the back stories behind some of our most iconic recipes from the last 25 years. Hosted by longtime ATK cast member Jack Bishop.Discover the 500 Recipes that Changed the Way America Cooks in our 25th Anniversary Cookbook.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Erin and Stanger welcome writer director and cohost of Cinema Possessed Jack Bishop to the weight room! We talk making and keeping those gains and finding porn in the woods.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Each week best friends & filmmakers, Jack Bishop & Justin Nijm, take a close look at one film in their combined DVD & BluRay collections to find out what it was about it that originally possessed them to want to possess it. They revisit the film, bonus features and all, and discuss whether or not the film still holds that power over them today. Then they'll hear from actor, director Corey Clifford for a fresh perspective, and in the end they'll decide whether the film deserves to keep it's place on the movie shelf... or be given away... TO YOU!Join the Cinema Possessed Patreon at patreon.com/cinemapossessedpod to get your chance to snag the DVD & BluRays they get rid of, and unlock the Cinema Possessed Bonus Materials, bi-monthly bonus episodes where Jack & Justin talk about more than just what's in their collection.Follow them @cinemapossessedpod on Instagram & Twitter.You can also email them at cinemapossessedpod@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this MADM, Jack Bishop is sharing about the North Alabama Christmas Market and his effort to recognize non-profits by offering them booth space free of charge. Listen & share. Sponsor: BamaEstatePlanning.com

On today's edition of TMWS, I have Jack Bishop joining me to share about the upcoming North Alabama Christmas Market with The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie cast members taking place in Rogersville, Alabama, on December 3rd & 4th!

On tonight's show, it's Wendi Lou Lee as Baby Grace on Little House! Wendi Lou will be sharing a powerful message of overcoming a brain tumor and finding strength in faith. I'll also have a great conversation with Jack Bishop about the pickers markets, including Wizard of Oz Days and the North Alabama Christmas Market!

Interviews with Jon Walmsley are very rare, but thanks to Jack Bishop with the North East Missouri Pickers Market, Logan County Pickers Market-Lincoln,IL, Wizard of Oz Days, it happened! Listen to today's Make A Difference Minute & share. Sponsor: Alabama The Beautiful Magazine

On this MADM, we are highlighting the Logan County Fall Pickers Market with Jack Bishop! This year's special treat is having cast members from Little House on the Prairie! Sponsor: Bankston Motor Homes BankstonMotorHomes.com

Tonight, Jack Bishop is joining me to share about the cast of the Walton's joining him at North East Missouri Pickers Market on October 1st & 2nd, the cast of Little House on the Prairie joining him at Logan County Pickers Market-Lincoln, IL, on October 8th & 9th, and Alison Arngrim as the Wicked Witch of the West and Judy Garland's son, Joey Luft, joining him at Wizard of Oz Days in Hannibal, Missouri, on October 21st & 22nd! That's a lot to cover! In addition to being posted here on SoundCloud, you can also listen to the show by subscribing to TMWS via TuneIn Radio, Apple iTunes, Audioboom, Spotify, Stitcher, Blubrry, Google Podcasts, & iHeart Radio. All shows are archived at TheMarkWhiteShow.com.

The Walton's are heading to Missouri! On today's Make A Difference Minute, I'm highlighting the North East Missouri Pickers Market taking place on October 1st & 2nd! Jack Bishop is sharing about this special event that includes seven of The Walton's cast! Sponsor: BamaEstatePlanning.com

Episode DescriptionWhat comes to mind when you picture a hunter? Is the person you're imagining a woman? No? Well, think again. In the fourth and final chapter of Deer Humans, we take a deep dive into what is perhaps the most polarizing topic of the entire series: hunting. I speak with three deer hunters who are determined to debunk some of the myths surrounding their sport, one of which is that it's a sport for men. These three women help me unpack the complexities of being a deer hunter in an overpopulated area like the East End. We discuss hunting as a form of conservation, whether or not it's possible for hunters to love animals, and the things hunters wish you knew before you judged them. Along the way, I grapple with what it means to listen, compromise, and embark on a search for common ground.Show NotesAll music in this episode is courtesy of Blue Dot Sessions.Source referenced in this episode:The New York Times: Deer Overpopulation Meets Its Match: Women Who HuntGuests featured in this episode (in order of appearance):Jane Gill, Marissa Estatio, Jacqueline Molina, Julia Weisenberg, Chenae BullockOrganizations to support:Long Island Babes and Bucks Facebook Page & InstagramFurther learning:Newsday: This women's fishing club is big on catches and bigger on empowermentThe New Yorker: Deer Wars and Death ThreatsThe New York Times: Meat Is Hard for Hungry Families to Come By. Enter These Deer Hunters.Untamed Science: Can Hunting Be Conservation?Check out these podcasts:Native Plants, Healthy PlanetLiving PlanetShelter In PlaceSpecial thanks:Kaitlin Keleher, Kim-Trang Tran, Elizabeth Affuso, Ruti Talmor, Lauren Chattman, Jack Bishop, Laura Joyce Davis, Nate Davis, The Shelter in Place Alumni Writing Group, and my Fall 2021 Media Studies peer group.Thank you to KSPC 88.7 FM for recording studio access.Thank you to the Pomona College Summer Undergraduate Research Fund for helping to make this series possible.To learn more about me and my work, visit evebishop.net. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Episode DescriptionGrowing up on the East End of Long Island, I've always been aware that there are issues surrounding our local white-tailed deer population. But until recently, I had no idea just how far back the origins of this problem go. In the first episode of Deer Humans, I dig into the history of property development in The Hamptons, and discover what the increasing construction of mega-mansions has to do with the explosion of our deer population. To get to the root of the issue, I speak with wildlife experts and an Indigenous activist who is all too familiar with the devastating impacts of overdevelopment on the environment. I begin to unravel the threads of a seemingly unique story that, at its core, explores the universal struggle that humans face in order to coexist with nature.Show NotesAll music in this episode is courtesy of Blue Dot Sessions.Sources referenced in this episode:New York State Department of Transportation: Deer and Moose AvoidanceInsurance Information Institute: Facts + Statistics: Deer vehicle collisionsNew York State Department of Conservation: Species Status Assessment for WolfGuests featured in this episode (in order of appearance):Jane Gill, Marissa Estatio, Dr. H. Brian Underwood, Dell Cullum, Dr. Jim Bevilacqua, Chenae Bullock, Dr. David Hirth.Organizations to support:Moskehtu ConsultingShinnecock Nation Covid 19 Relief FundCooperation Long IslandFurther learning:Shinnecock Nation Cultural Center & MuseumConscience Point FilmCheck out this podcast:Nature GuysSpecial thanks:Kaitlin Keleher, Kim-Trang Tran, Elizabeth Affuso, Ruti Talmor, Lauren Chattman, Jack Bishop, Laura Joyce Davis, Nate Davis, The Shelter in Place Alumni Writing Group, and my Fall 2021 Media Studies peer group.Thank you to KSPC 88.7 FM for recording studio access.Thank you to the Pomona College Summer Undergraduate Research Fund for helping to make this series possible.To learn more about me and my work, visit evebishop.net. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Hosted by Linda Gassenheimer Featuring Carl Segal of Reef Technologies on Ghost Kitchens Jacqueline Coleman and Ashley Levi, All About Mezcal Alona Martinez with bread and restaurant news Jack Bishop of America's Test Kitchen with cooking technique tips Dinner in Minutes at the end!

FULL TRANSCRIPT OF EPISODEProvided by Otter.aiEoin Trainor  0:00  The views and opinions expressed in Eye on the Triangle do not represent WKNC or the student media.Good evening Raleigh and welcome to this week's Eye on the Triangle an NC State student run and student produced news show on WKNC 88.1. I'm Eoin Trainor. On tonight's episode Elizabeth Esser is talking about NC State's return to in person classes this fall with Dr. Amy Orders the director of emergency management and mission continuity at the university. Afterwards, Laura Mooney and I report on the controversy surrounding Chadwick Seagraves, an NC State employee who was accused of being a member of the proud boys, stay tuned.Elizabeth Esser  0:45  This is Elizabeth Esser reporting for Eye on the Triangle. Joining us today is Dr. Amy Orders director of emergency management and mission continuity here at NC State to discuss the university's plann to return to in person classes this fall. Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. orders.Dr. Amy Orders  1:01  Thank you for having me, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to tell about great new changes on the horizon. Elizabeth Esser  1:07  To start us off, can you just tell listeners a bit about yourself and your position at NC State?Dr. Amy Orders  1:12  I have hit my 20th year at NC State. But my my position has evolved over the years within environmental health and public safety. And within COVID, it really took on a new a new face and a new paradigm of operation centric work was very important to move us forward in all the different phases. So our job has been to be responsive to the needs of the campus over the past year. Elizabeth Esser  1:35  How did the university come to the decision to return to in person class.Dr. Amy Orders  1:41   It was kind of an evolving conversation. We've been watching the public health information and changes in the CDC or recommendations from other public health entities for several months. And the whole idea is we knew we would return to normal and I have to use normal with air quotes at some point we were hopeful it would be sooner than not. So trending the virus itself that community transmission, the prevalence of vaccine and its distribution models, people, you know, following community standards, both outside of campus and in campus, all of that helped make a better informed decision on what was safe and appropriate to the idea of a normal fall really is a cascade effect over a couple of months. It requires us to go back and challenge what our safety practices are now what our community standards need to be what we need to do for changes in classrooms or physical spaces to invite people back to their offices or research environments or other areas. But all of that has to be mindful of the virus itself, we have to watch what happens in the public health sector. If we experience another wave of the virus and infections, then we need to be moderating in our decision making and pace appropriately. We're really hopeful though that normal fall can really mean back in the classrooms 100% or in a large capacity. Looking at our research operations, we've fully activated and then restoring our other campus special events, clinics, all of the above. So we are anticipating a normal start keeping that caveat in mind that if something changes, we pauseElizabeth Esser  3:14  So when we started with in person classes last fall seats were spread out. Teachers had plexiglass screens in front of them while they lectured. As of right now, what can we expect in person classes to look like in comparison to in person classes prior to COVID.Dr. Amy Orders  3:30  Some of the recommendations that are coming out slowly but steadily from the Centers of Disease Control really do tell us what the expectations are how to minimize exposure, maximize the experience. So one of the greatest examples that we're watching is public schools, you're seeing the decrease in the spacing. So we were at six feet physical distancing. And now the paradigm shifting to about three feet. When we in our classroom setting some of our classrooms may not be appropriate for different reasons. It could be ventilation, it could be the spacing, whatever that is, we'll continue to assess that even as recommendations come in and say hey, you can be closer together. In the fall though it was such an extreme situation, we were looking at every possible safety mechanism that layers into effect is the Swiss cheese model. If you can give Plexiglas and maximize distance and decrease the occupancy, then we minimize transmission in those facilities, what happens outside and you bring the virus in there, that's still a problem. Well, now that the virus load or the number of positive cases is going down, we can start removing layer by layer not all layers to be able to increase that experience as close to what we used to or we're accustomed to, in like the 2019 timeframe. So university will still look at these things very, very, very detailed and specifically such as plexiglass, like you mentioned, if a faculty member has some sort of experiential learning or in face obligation with a larger crowd. Maybe that Plexiglas is still appropriate because when you Talk, you actually spit, the aerosol is a concern. So we need to think about these things creatively and not assume that we take everything away because that may not be the situation.Elizabeth Esser  5:10  Residence halls will also return to full occupancy. Will any extra precautions be put into place there?Dr. Amy Orders  5:16  there are some standing precautions that we will maintain for sure. So, in our residence halls, single occupancy moving that back to regular double occupancy is is the goal. And still having a process for an exception as we have cases that are necessary to address but the heightened cleaning, having people understand what cleaning in their own personal space means. Understanding what it what the virus itself will exist in the background, how to protect yourself and be more effective and those measures will continue. The other part of it in the residence halls and across campus is messaging. We won't just take down everything that says you know, cover your face, wear your mask, it has to be a blend, a reminder, if it's cold and flu season, we tell people cover your cough and wash your hands. Let's do cold flu plus COVID because it will still exist. So still cover your cough wash your hands. It applies at home and the residence hall settings, it's going to be the same type of approach Elizabeth Esser  6:14  Does the university as of right now have plans for if there are major spikes in cases?Dr. Amy Orders  6:20  We keep that as a on the front burner conversation every day, our plans won't go away. So we will decrease the number of quarantine and isolation spaces in the fall. mindful though that at any point in time, if we have to increase those, again, we will so we have provisions in place kind of in a tiered process. If we have to go back and analyze what the best spacing policies are. We're hopeful that if everyone understands what the community expectations are, then we won't see those spikes we will go and have our social gatherings we may still have limitations on those gatherings. That's kind of a crystal ball that we don't have right now. But if we're able to look at those in a very methodical manner and make some plan decisions, then if we do have a spike we're ready to address.Elizabeth Esser  7:03  Finally, is there anything else that you would like for listeners to know about NC State's return to normal this fall?Dr. Amy Orders  7:09  I think there are two things that I'm going to add one is as some level of surveillance testing is going to have to continue. You know, it's going to be that COVID becomes endemic to society. At some point, it still exists, it's in the fabric. So it's just like seasonal flu it comes and goes. Our testing strategy may not be as pervasive as it is now. But some level of testing is still appropriate to make sure you're not missing some level of information that can better inform our decisions. The other thing is the vaccination process. It's starting to open up stores so widely, the opportunity to get the vaccine is making itself very much available to everybody. So in the next week or so you'll see the next group open, where we can actually invite the close to the 15,000 people who have pre registered for vaccination on campus into the vaccine clinic. Having that vaccination makes a world of difference because increasing the immunity across the board, we reach the closer to a herd immunity status that helps us get back to being able to gather and be in other places in a more social circumstance. I think between the two, because we're really cautious about how we're setting up campus physically, how we're telling people in our training, what to expect, setting the right expectations. It helps us also engage the individual and say some of this is on you. Get your vaccine or if not at your discretion. GO participate in testing, we would like to have that data help us meet in the middle. That will get us back to normal in the fall.Elizabeth Esser  8:37  Well, thank you so much again for joining us today. Dr. Orders. Awesome.Dr. Amy Orders  8:41   Thanks so much.Eoin Trainor  8:43  NC State University became embroiled in controversy this winter when some students began to question its commitment to inclusion and diversity. This came on January 11, when NC State announced that they would not take disciplinary action against Chadwick Seagraves, a university employee accused of being a member of the far right extremist group the Proud Boys. The allegations emerged last November when the anonymous comrades collective an anonymous left wing organization released a blog post and Twitter thread detailing Seagraves connections the group, the thread claims that he posted students and activists personal information online. It also includes photos from a 2017 anti Islam rally in Chapel Hill. These claim to show Seagraves pictured with Augustus Solinvictus, a prominent white supremacist who headlined the unite the right rally in Charlottesville that same year. Seagraves vehemently denies the allegations in a statement he said to paint me as a racist and fascist is heinous slander. NC State made its decision to not take action against Seagraves following a two month investigation into his conduct. In a statement, the University said the rigorous review did not substantiate any significant allegations. Following this announcement, student body president Melanie flowers signed an executive order designating January 19 as a day to protest the decision. I recently sat down with President flowers to discuss this, our interview details student government's perspective on the issue and offers a reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. For Eye on the Triangle I'm Eoin Trainor.First question, what was your and student government's initial reaction to NC State's decision to not take any action against Seagraves?Melanie Flowers  10:26  It was a few things. There was obviously a lot of disappointment at the results of the investigation. It's, it's frustrating, because I know, when all the information came out, at least for me, I was really nervous that there wouldn't be any actions that the university would be able to legally take with the investigation. And so that was really concerning for me seeing as the groups that the OIT employees affiliated with, I think it or I know it continues to spread and just perpetuate a culture of white supremacy on our campus. And that's, that's really nerve wracking, and unsettling, and, and more. And so it sucks, it more than sucks to, to know the university couldn't do anything about it. And it puts student government and myself and others in a place to think about what steps can we take to ensure that the people that the university employees are champions of diversity and inclusion and equity, like the university is trying to be?Eoin Trainor  11:38  In your view, was NC State transparent during the actual investigation? Did they ask for your input at all?Melanie Flowers  11:45  So I forwarded on information after it started to surface on social media. I wasn't asked for input. But legally, I don't have any role to play in the investigation. So that wasn't something that I would have really needed to be a part of anyways. Um, I think transparency is kind of a difficult topic, because I have I have the perspective of somebody who has the knowledge to know what legally can be put out for these kinds of cases and what can't be and like this is it's really an HR case. And I think students are definitely just very apprehensive in trusting the process and the University and I am too, because you just, you you see the results. And you see that Seagraves just continues to be employed here. And you wonder, like, what happened? And, and I get that, and I think that's why the transparency pieces, although legally, it was correct, I think I understand the frustration of what felt like crumbs of information the university was able to share.Eoin Trainor  13:04  Um, you signed an executive order creating a time and place for protests against the results of the investigation. What led you and student government to come up with this decision? Did you consider any alternatives?Melanie Flowers  13:18  This was one of the things that came out of my understanding of the fact that the university couldn't do anything legally. Student Government has a, a privilege and a power to use our voice in the way that our university as a public institution can't. And I didn't want to let that go to waste in student government. It's our job to represent students and voice their opinions and concerns in a way that's heard. And so this was our way of making sure that students knew that we were fighting for them. And we're feeling all of these things alongside them as well. And so this was this idea was really the idea. We didn't really consider other options it. It came about before the first day of classes, and it came about in about a week less thanEoin Trainor  14:13  can you tell us about how the protests went. What was your overall impression of what the students who were there were saying and what concerns they were expressing?Jaylan Harrington  14:23  So it was interesting, because we had to essentially publish the executive order in the protest, and the notification of the protests before students were back on campus. And even though students are back, we're not all here. So we kind of had a completely virtual launch of the protest. And there was a lot of online engagement across social media. And so we definitely felt like we had this student support. In person. We had a couple of dozen students attend and then we also had about 10 people for the virtual option which was awesome to see. attendees were thankful the ones that I interacted with, were thankful that we were saying something. And just making them feel like they weren't alone. I heard a lot of that because I think sometimes or not sometimes for a lot of students, you get this notification and you're alone in your residence hall. And you  you just wonder, like, Is anybody else feeling disappointed? Or is anybody else feeling scared? Or is anybody else angry or mad at this? And I think, actually speaking out provided that affirmation for a lot of students,Eoin Trainor  15:32  And your perception of how the general student body feels, is that any different or do you think it's fairly similar to the opinions expressed the protest?Jaylan Harrington  15:40  I'd like to think it's fairly fairly similar. I know there are definitely individuals who who question if it's student government's place to to protest at all, and there are definitely varying opinions about how we approached the situation. But from what I've heard, what I've seen, the the outcry about Seagraves, when you know, these accusations initially surface back in November, and how that continued over winter break, there's definitely a a larger message and group just just wanting to make sure that NC State is the place that we say we are. And so I think that's definitely the overwhelming the overwhelming opinion, it's just, we've got to do better and right now Seagraves continuing at the university isn't the university doing better,Eoin Trainor  16:25  Right, student government is planning on sending Seagraves one letter a day until he resigns. What does this been like so far? Has he responded? at all?Jaylan Harrington  16:37  I haven't gotten any responses to the office and we're sending them to the on campus office, I don't have his home address. My my guess is that they could be getting forwarded to his home address or they're there until or when he gets to the office. So yeah, that's, that's up in the air. I'm hoping to get a response.Eoin Trainor  17:00  And then even though NC State basically can't take any action, now the investigation is over. Do you think they should do anything else beyond the statements they've released to address the concern that they're not completely committed to equity and diversity?Melanie Flowers  17:16  Yeah, and I think some steps that we are taking, slowly, but surely, as I sit on several search committees, and what's starting to get added to job descriptions at the university is being a champion for the diverse populations that we serve. And it might not be those words exactly. But there are definitely statements and required qualities that are being implemented into all of these positions. It's not just the chief diversity officer who you have to have that competency. It's, it's a random engineer, it's a random instructor that needs to have that understanding. And so I think that's one of the ways that we're moving in the right direction to just make sure that objectively, when we ask anybody who's entering the university, what they're going to bring, we hope that inclusion and equity and a champion for everyone is a part of the qualities they're bringing to the university.Eoin Trainor  18:08  Given the controversy of the situation, has Student Government received any negative responses since the feedback? Have you received any threatening statements to either you or any of the protesters?Melanie Flowers  18:21  Yes. So as I said, I know there are opinions that disagreed with our, our strategy on addressing the situation. There are some comments on our Instagram page asking about you know, is this cancel culture is it SG's place to protest etc. And I think To that end, the University has done, I mean, as good as a job as it can to offer opportunities to educate yourself on diverse communities at NC State and really just in the world, and in North Carolina, and especially over the summer, those resources were shared very abundantly and pass that OIED offers DEI related trainings for for a lot of different communities. And I think there's just too much opportunity to learn, especially this year for this to be considered cancel culture. We, we know that white supremacy is a, a toxin to our community. And that's, that's not physics. So I feel as though there have been clear standards for what the university expects from its community members and those aren't met from what what I feel to be true about his actions and affiliations. Eoin Trainor  19:42  And then just to clarify like no, like any, just like complaints about like, cancel culture and stuff, not like threatening statements or anything, correct.Jaylan Harrington  19:52  Yeah, we, we were very fortunate to not receive death threats or anything of that nature. We did our best to protect the identities of protesters, it helps that everybody wears masks now. So that wasn't a huge concern. And then while we did take down names and contact information that was remained in the hands of a student government official, and its since then been discarded of and that was just for COVID-19 tracing in the event that that was a concern. We could contact people, but it was as anonymous as possible so we could ensure that peace would wouldn't be a concern.Eoin Trainor  20:32  And then, since the protest, is there anything else under your purview that he's been planning to do or have been able to do to address this situation?Jaylan Harrington  20:42  This is a really good question. I spoke to it earlier about the university kind of starting to standardize asking questions related to DEI in all interviews and how that's becoming a more standard piece of job descriptions. And so that's something that I will continue to push for in search committees that I'm a part of, and then also just trying to see what we can do to standardize that practice moving forward.Eoin Trainor  21:10  I think that's it but thank you so much for your time. Melanie Flowers  21:13  Awesome. I'm excited to listen for it thank you for covering thisEoin Trainor  21:22  OIED is NC State's Office for institutional equity and diversity. DEI stands for their diversity, equity and inclusion training programs. For more information you can go to diversity.ncsu.edu.Laura Mooney  21:37  President flowers interview sheds light on how NC State as an institution reacted to the allegations towards Seagraves. However, student perspectives vary greatly on this issue. For further information on student reactions and how other outlets covered the story. We reached out to members of Technician, NC State's longest standing student newspaper. For the latter half of this segment, we are joined by technician editor in chief Rachel Davis, managing editor Alicia Thomas and multimedia managing editor Jaylan Harrington. I'm Laura Mooney, and you're listening to Eye on the Triangle on WKNC 88.1.So let's just go ahead and do some introductions just for you know, when I introduce this segment, the audience members will want to know who's talking representing technician. So if you could share your names and positions at technician, that would be phenomenal. Rachel Davis  22:35  Hi, my name is Rachael Davis. I'm the editor in chief of technician.Alicia Thomas  22:41  I'm Alicia Thomas. I'm the managing editor at Technician.Jaylan Harrington  22:49  And I am Jaylan Harrington. I'm the multimedia managing editor of Technician.Laura Mooney  22:55  And for those who are unfamiliar with student media at NC State, I'm just going to do kind of a general overview question of why is student journalism important from the perspective of student journalists?Jaylan Harrington  23:11  I'll take that one. I think student journalism's important because it's really important to inform the student body of the current events that are happening on campus. We're really the only outlet that cares about the minute details that are happening on campus. So keeping the student body informed is really, really important to meRachel Davis  23:35  It also informs students about issues or maybe policies, the ways of the university that they may not have known about. Laura Mooney  23:45  The next thing I was going to ask was regarding informing the student body, what motivated you to cover this particular story? Rachel Davis  23:53  Well, right off the bat, that a student was being targeted by this employee.Alicia Thomas  24:02  To say, Yeah, I definitely think that that like, unique nature of the story was what was like, kind of shocking to us initially, because when we were sent a tip, I believe, I don't really know. I don't really remember who sent us what, at this point. It's been a minute since we started covering it. But I definitely think it was like, was so obscure, and like strange enough, but also like, preposterous, we were like, We need to look into it more. And that's kind of like what we do with like, weird stories like these when we have to, like investigate a little bit more because it was just like, some random employee and we were like, this cant be real. And thenLaura Mooney  24:52  Some random employee never heard of him before. Alicia Thomas  24:55  Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. Especially with like the political climate over the summer, that was a huge deal. You know, like all the Black Lives Matter protests, the black students petition on campus, this was just like another thing, showing like white supremacy in Raleigh. And just furthering that narrative, that was like huge over the summer.I think it kind of goes into, like, why student journalism is important, what like what we do at technician too because we feel it as journalists, and I'm sure, Laura, you understand as well. But like, as student journalists, we have a duty to inform students about who is around them on campus, and students have the right to know or feel safe and know whether or not campus is safe. So if that safety is threatened, obviously, that's newsworthy, and we have to cover it.Laura Mooney  26:00   Absolutely. And I think that's great commentary. Because in so many different ways, this situation was really I wouldn't say unprecedented. And we'll get into that later. But it was a really unique thing to look at. So because of all the nuances of this situation, how did the technician team handle covering the situation? What was your strategy for going about that? Well, I'll just say, it was really hard. because not everything was confirmed, right off the bat, because there were social media accounts where it did not have his name on it or attached to it. And we were kind of going off the metadata of the anonymous comrades collective. And we had no way to confirm that information, because we didn't have that information. So a lot of our coverage and articles on it was like, allegedly, and you know, surrounding around that language.Jaylan Harrington  26:59  I would also say it takes a lot longer than our recording usually takes, like, we were covering it like it was a breaking story, because it was breaking news to us. But we kept having to pause and wait for days to wait for more things to come out so that we can actually run something. So the articles took much longer to come out because of that.Laura Mooney  27:24  I guess regarding the fact that so much was unconfirmed at certain periods of time, how does that change the way you write about it?Jaylan Harrington  27:36  For me, I'd scribe most of the first two articles we did. What I really wanted to do was hone in on whatever was confirmed. So the, you know, we only got to the point that we could run the very first article. Once we had the fact that NC State was investigating that was confirmed we knew that and once we also had the video of Augustus Solinvictus, literally saying thanks for inviting me Chadwick. Seagraves, like, once we had those two things, it was like, okay, we can pare down all of the other stuff that we don't have confirmed and we don't actually have to highlight that, because we've got these two really solid things.Alicia Thomas  28:17  I also think it's like interesting to discuss, like, what is reportable and what isn't reportable or like, what isn't confirmed? Because what was reportable was that like, or there was so much stuff happening online, and like rumors swirling around, and that obviously, like, we can see that we can take screenshots of that and put that in the article and say, there is a lot of there are a lot of unconfirmed. I don't remember how we put it or even if we put it like that. I don't know, Jalen, can, I'm sure Rachel and I don't remember it as much as Jalen probably remembers that Rachel and I tend to like blackout when things like this are happening. When that's like rumors are swirling, we can report that, hey, students are talking about this. We've reached out to Mick Kulikowski, the spokesperson, and we'll provide updates. So like that's kind of how we treat like unconfirmed information to we can report that people are saying x, y, z about the situation, but we also have to reach out to like, the spokesperson and honestly, we have to reach out to see we had to reach out to Seagraves himself to get like it confirmed to be like HeyRachel Davis  29:49   I guess to go more off that about like the rumors and fact checking. There was a point in time where there's rumors on Twitter, that Chadwick Seagraves went to the Capitol riot in January. But we couldn't just put that out there because that's, you know, not very ethical without it being fact checked. And so we were able to, you know, do picture by picture fact-checking. And we were able to see that it was not him. Yeah, so I guess just a bunch of fact checking that takes a long time. And also being in constant contact with Mick Kulikowski University spokesperson asking like, because the investigation went on for a very long time. So emailing him, you know, every week every other two weeks about are there any updates on the investigation? And him just saying no. But yeah, being in constant like, following following up. I think when we first even reached out at that point, it had been, I remember was like an afternoon, I emailed him or I called him or something. He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.Alicia Thomas  31:04  Because and university libraries had said that he wasn't an employee there. So we were like, does this guy even work at NC State? There was like a lot of rumors swirling and, like, sometimes it just takes a long time, like I said, because at that point, the when the rumors started swirling around, the university had no idea what was going on. It broke fast. It was the talk of the town really quickly soRachel Davis  31:34  it definitely was and I remember talking to Melanie flowers to see the vice president that day. And she basically told me that she couldn't really say anything. And the university couldn't really say anything yet without everything being confirmed. Because there was just so much left out there that nobody knew.Jaylan Harrington  31:53  Yeah. And speaking of how it blew up on Twitter, we usually don't like tweet super early when a story like that breaks unless it's something very confirmed. But when it first broke, there was like an internet mob harassing NC State libraries and their like why is this white supremacist, and they're like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And we had to tweet and be like, okay, the guy that there are unconfirmed reports about works in IT leave the libraries alone was like the implicit message that says, Yeah, yeah, no mob goes wild.Laura Mooney  32:29  So I think that transitions really well. And the next question that I had, because there's so much, you know, I think that there's a lot of talk now about how people choose to express their opinions on the internet, and I will avoid divulging my own opinion there. But there is that, you know, Twitter specifically offers a platform for people to share their thoughts openly and very widely. So what feedback Do you receive on your coverage of this Chadwick Seagraves story. Rachel Davis  33:03  I say our coverage was very, people liked it. Just a short thing, because not a lot of people were reporting on it. I mean, WRAL and everybody was reporting on it. But we were kind of constantly reporting on it, or keeping up to date having updates every now and then, especially towards the end, when the investigation did end, I think we were probably the first or one of the first news outlets to say that they did not find any, like evidence against him.Laura Mooney  33:41   I'm going to skip around some questions a little bit. In your opinion, how was this covered by other outlets? You mentioned WRAL, I know that I've read articles by Indie week, like, how does your coverage differ from theirs?Alicia Thomas  33:57   I think the difference between our coverage and like other local papers and news organizations, coverage is number one, I think we just like because we were NC State we were here, I think it's a lot easier to get access to administrators that there are a lot more like I know. It was a lot easier to just like, or it's very quick to reach out to whoever we needed to reach out to in upper administration to get like information first. As well as I think like student perspectives and student sources. I think because we are student paper we've created like we have a reputation where we are reputable. I like to think with most with many students on campus and they felt like trust in us to confirm information and talk to us to get more background information or talk to us off the record which I don't know. I don't know if WRAL or news and observer Indy week, other outlets like that had, they probably maybe did, but I don't know if they had their student sources and that's where I think that difference is Rachel Davis  35:24  Definitely with the student trust, I would say it's a big thing because yes, I think WRAL was at the freezeout protest a couple months ago, but they were just there for like maybe an hour or so and we were there the entire time, like walking around with the group. Every now and then. Also we- I just lost my phone-Alicia Thomas  35:51  I'll pop in while your thinking. Yeah. But I think like with new local news outlets, I can say this like when WRAL when we're doing like updates to Chadwick Seagraves coverage because I know we did it, or there was like more news that came out. I don't know. Recently, there always is something to be updated about Chadwick Seagraves, but when that's happening, it's just this is happening at NC State and university is investigating this employee here the allegations, bam, it's done, article is done. And I think that our coverage has been more, more more more nuanced.Rachel Davis  36:34  Yeah, it goes into my point that I forgot earlier. But we are able to publish like, student explainer pieces. So we just published a piece about, like, freedom of speech and why Chadwich Seagraves was not fired, because of you know, government employee roles, his place at the university. So we're able to explain to students why the investigation went the way it did, which other outlets probably do not do that. Also, since we are at NC State, and we are students, we were able to write an editorial on our thoughts of the situation, which I don't think any other news outlet did.Laura Mooney  37:20  I think okay, so I have a lot of thoughts there. And I do agree completely that your coverage was extremely nuanced, and that you do have the benefit of proximity to the student body into the event itself, which provides access that other outlets may not have had. And I do think that came across in your coverages, which was why I was excited to talk about you, talk to you, not about you. You mentioned several times having a direct connection to the student body because of that community of trust that the technician has fostered over 100 years of functioning. And so what are your perceptions of the student bodies feelings? What were student reactions to the allegations and then also towards NC State's decision not to fire Seagraves?Alicia Thomas  38:08   I honestly think the majority opinion the majority of a student body is outraged by this decision to keep him at the university. I know at the freezeout protests there was maybe one or two counter protesters in favor like supporting Chadwick Seagraves, but the rest of the student body I mean, there's still protests going on I it kind of died down, but I think last Friday, there was a protest against him. So I would say that the majority of the student body is still very angry that he is an employee here. Rachel Davis  38:46  Yeah, and I think some I yeah, I think a lot of people are still incredibly angry. And yep there have been protests there was one a few days ago. In protest of the university's decision, I do think there might be a silent a silent decent crowd of people who don't think that, who who stand by the university's decision, I mean, I think that we saw very clearly in 2019, during the TP USA event, how split our campus really is in terms of political ideology. I think that NC State compared to like our other, the other schools that are nearby, Like Duke and UNC is far more in the middle, in terms of political ideology we have. So I do think that there is there are a decent amount of people who do stand by the university's decision to keep Chadwich Seagraves on staff or whatever. And I think that has been a point of contention, just like between students, obviously, and staff, and something that we probably should be covering more as well. Just thinking about it,Laura Mooney  40:22   I think you bring up a great point with the turning point, NC State chapter and the culture wars protest, or the protest against culture wars that happened. And I think you're right, I think it is 2019. You know, honestly, in my draft of questions that I had, I wrote that this is not the only highly publicized and controversial happening at NC State's campus in recent years, and then referenced this same event that we're talking about. My original question was, how do you think these events impact public perceptions of NC State? But truthfully, I don't really care about the branding of NC State. How do you think that the continued recurrence of you know issues centered around conservative discourse? How do you think that reflects within the student body? Like, is this representative of larger trends within the university system? In your opinion? Rachel Davis  41:21  This is a great question Laura, or Jaylen, you want to take that?Alicia Thomas  41:26  I was gonna say, Jaylen, you haven't spoken in a whileJaylan Harrington  41:30   Of course, I would love to take this question. Um, I think it's just representative of a trait in the world or at the very least, the United States. Now we're more polarized than we've ever been. And I think, you know, the election of Donald Trump really made it a meme to be antagonistic, it made a meme to be openly all the -ists that you can be. So I do think that that's going to continue to happen, we're going to continue to have these events, there's going to continue to be clashes, and they're probably going to get worse. I wouldn't imagine they're going to get better anytime soon.Laura Mooney  42:11  I think that's a great question. And I also do think that, as reported by, you know, publications across the country across the world, honestly, Donald Trump's influence on political culture, even beyond American borders is far more nuanced than I care to touch on in a 30 second audio clip. But within NC State, particularly, you know, these issues were brought to national platforms, particularly after turning point when Donald Trump invited NC State students and NCSU TP USA members to speak alongside him in Florida and other conventions that he had attended. So I guess in the wake of these kinds of things continuing to happen, as a voice of the student body, how do you believe that student media or students themselves can function to hold the university accountable in these instances?Jaylan Harrington  43:12  I think by recording the truth, it's funny that you mentioned that Donald Trump invited people to speak at rallies. One of the people he invited to speak was Jack Bishop, Jack Bishop during that time of the culture war, that claimed that he was spray painted in the face viciously by I forget who the group was nothing at NC State, I think. So we reported that we also went back and my video session did follow up recording with one of the people who was in the tunnel. And we had multiple eyewitness accounts, saying that was not what happened, essentially, that he moved his head into the way of this spraypaint. So things like that, where, you know, certain narratives are going to be started by certain people is our job to find out what the truth is. And usually the truth is all you're really going to need to combat that.Alicia Thomas  44:11  I definitely also think that, um, like you were saying, it has been just like with the election of Donald Trump, that, like Jalen said the ists have been more normalized and because of that, universities and other public entities like at other establishments are seeing manifestations of that. You look at what in 2018 when UNC tore down, toppled the Silent Sam statue, and just the slew of events that happened afterwards that you know, Just go into a more in depth discourse about race relations in the US and how that fosters or trickles down into even like a university system and how university administrators perpetuate racism. Even if it's not, quote, unquote, intentional, I don't know, if I'm articulate, articulating myself well, but I do think that there have been a lot of trends we've seen of people, people who are advocating for a change on a university level to be more inclusive and diverse, and be explicitly and consistently against racism, and implicit biases, biases, and all of that, and then that directly being challenged by people like, organizations like TP USA, or counter protesters, who were like no, f that essentially and will like come protest. Or if they say things online to people and threaten them. Again, he is threatened, we have to cover it. Laura Mooney  46:37  Of course, I think you bring up a great point with talking about how consciously or otherwise administrative functions can perpetuate, you know, barriers to equality that for generations, for centuries have been sought by people who have been historically oppressed and continuously oppressed by these same barriers, and the list goes on of people who are impacted by them. And what was the faculty sentiment towards this thing, I know that you covered specifically faculty discussions and commentary in response to NC State's choice not to fire Seagraves.Jaylan Harrington  47:16  It was really confusion. They were just as confused as we were. And I think they also had the added element of they knew that students were going to look at them as like a mediary, between them and NC State. So their biggest concern was basically looking at what the university had done and going, Hey, you say you have all these values? You also say, you know, you can't fire this guy. How are we supposed to defend you? What are we supposed to say to students? That was really, really the biggest point that hit me. Watching the faculty senate meeting was they were just as outraged as students are, they were probably more confused. And they just didn't really know what to do at all.Laura Mooney  48:06  Now, this is a question that we've asked other parties that we're interviewing In this segment, and I think it's important to ask your opinion as well. In your view, was NC State transparent during the investigation? Did they consult student media in any way during that process?Rachel Davis  48:26   I do not think the university was as transparent as they could have been. The only reasons why we heard things about the investigation is because we reached out first. And even after the investigation, they wouldn't really say, I'm not sure about the laws and what they can and cannot tell us. But when they did make the decision that there were no substantial allegations against him. They didn't like say what their process was, you know, they just didn't really inform us. They just kind of said, it's done. And he's fine.Jaylan Harrington  49:05  Yeah, I'd say even the faculty senate video that gave us a lot of information, a lot of context as to, you know, the process that leaked, that was not something that was freely put out. That was something that somebody recorded, went out by themselves. So the process was extremely not transparent. And I think that's why NC State is getting so much bad press from this so much bad wolf from this, if they'd just come out from the beginning and said, Look, he may have done this, but we just can't fire him. Sorry, guys. The conversation would be different than them uou know, not saying anything at all.Rachel Davis  49:45  okay to ask Jaylen and Alicia, if you remember, did they even put out a statement at all?Jaylan Harrington  49:52  They said they were investigating is what I remember. I think. Or is at the very beginning was like we don't like white supremacy, obviously. And that was about it. There was never a very big statement put out.Rachel Davis  50:06  Yes, I would say that their lack of a big statement or just explaining what was happening, besides we will be investigating is pretty weak. And I would have liked as a student for them to have addressed it better.Alicia Thomas  50:23   I think this is like an issue nationwide too. Because, again, talking about like the silent Sam stuff, the trend I've noticed, and I think that like Rachel and Jaylen to like, I think that student journalists and students are just frustrated at the lack of transparency and communication about issues that are extremely important to students. Yeah, I think that the only big statement we got was like, right was before when they were like, yeah, we hate racism, heart. And then like, at the end of the investigation, they were like, sorry, heart, he still works here. Peace, love. But like you're safe on campus, which was like,Rachel Davis  51:17  it's like, how do we know that? You know, it's like they're saying that we're safe on campus. But we're not. We don't know that because you're not telling us any information of what you did or how you combated this issue. Like, you can't trust not to be like, don't trust the university. But after they said that, how can you be sure,Laura Mooney  51:38  Trust has to be earned. And as a student at NC State, despite the fact that I don't believe I represent groups who are directly targeted by this kind of rhetoric, perpetuated at NC State. I still recognize that trust, as I said, must be earned. And without providing that background context. As you said, statements, it's really hard for the student body to meet NC State and say, okay, we accept this decision. Which leads us to the final question I have. How do you think this issue will be handled going forward? Do you think that it's over now?Rachel Davis  52:20  I do not think it's over with him. I you know, I think it's over with the whole discussion. I think there will be more instances of people like this coming out or getting exposed but for Chadwick Seagraves I don't think it's over for him either. The fact that there was a protest last week. And he's getting one of the things for the freeze out protest was people writing him letters, and he's being mailed a letter every day saying that he should resign. So it is definitely not over in any capacity.Alicia Thomas  52:55  Yeah, I don't I definitely don't think it's over with him. Like Rachel said, I definitely think there are more people on campus with similar beliefs that are laying low right now. who eventually people start to question their morality in their place in a diverse and inclusive campus. Yeah, I think it's not over and so long as people, so long as we people continue to talk about it, and we continue to report on it. I hope that it like, I hope this conversation in this dialogue continues. So that I mean, I think that's the point of student journalism, but it's to start conversations and affect change and I hope that happens,Rachel Davis  53:50  for sure. And like what you're talking about with the university, I hope we never seen learned from this situation and that if there are instances like this going forward, they know how to better improve and how to better, like you said build trust with the students with handling these situations.Laura Mooney  54:14  From the feedback provided by technicians, staff members, it is clear that this issue is anything but resolved. Furthermore, with student government continuing to send letters to Seagraves letters that currently remain unanswered, there yet exist cliffhangers in this story. As students and staff members alike continue to put pressure on the university to align their words with their actions. The disparity between the two is striking. For more information on this story, visit technicians website at technician online.com. Their coverage includes report on all relevant information, opinion pieces from both students and from Seagraves himself and a staff editorial in response to the initial news break. Furthermore, they've also published the university's official statement on the investigation towards Seagraves and its results audience for tuning into this reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. This has been Eye on the Triangle only on WKNC 88.1Transcribed by https://otter.ai

FULL TRANSCRIPT OF EPISODEProvided by Otter.aiEoin Trainor  0:00  The views and opinions expressed in Eye on the Triangle do not represent WKNC or the student media.Good evening Raleigh and welcome to this week's Eye on the Triangle an NC State student run and student produced news show on WKNC 88.1. I'm Eoin Trainor. On tonight's episode Elizabeth Esser is talking about NC State's return to in person classes this fall with Dr. Amy Orders the director of emergency management and mission continuity at the university. Afterwards, Laura Mooney and I report on the controversy surrounding Chadwick Seagraves, an NC State employee who was accused of being a member of the proud boys, stay tuned.Elizabeth Esser  0:45  This is Elizabeth Esser reporting for Eye on the Triangle. Joining us today is Dr. Amy Orders director of emergency management and mission continuity here at NC State to discuss the university's plann to return to in person classes this fall. Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. orders.Dr. Amy Orders  1:01  Thank you for having me, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to tell about great new changes on the horizon. Elizabeth Esser  1:07  To start us off, can you just tell listeners a bit about yourself and your position at NC State?Dr. Amy Orders  1:12  I have hit my 20th year at NC State. But my my position has evolved over the years within environmental health and public safety. And within COVID, it really took on a new a new face and a new paradigm of operation centric work was very important to move us forward in all the different phases. So our job has been to be responsive to the needs of the campus over the past year. Elizabeth Esser  1:35  How did the university come to the decision to return to in person class.Dr. Amy Orders  1:41   It was kind of an evolving conversation. We've been watching the public health information and changes in the CDC or recommendations from other public health entities for several months. And the whole idea is we knew we would return to normal and I have to use normal with air quotes at some point we were hopeful it would be sooner than not. So trending the virus itself that community transmission, the prevalence of vaccine and its distribution models, people, you know, following community standards, both outside of campus and in campus, all of that helped make a better informed decision on what was safe and appropriate to the idea of a normal fall really is a cascade effect over a couple of months. It requires us to go back and challenge what our safety practices are now what our community standards need to be what we need to do for changes in classrooms or physical spaces to invite people back to their offices or research environments or other areas. But all of that has to be mindful of the virus itself, we have to watch what happens in the public health sector. If we experience another wave of the virus and infections, then we need to be moderating in our decision making and pace appropriately. We're really hopeful though that normal fall can really mean back in the classrooms 100% or in a large capacity. Looking at our research operations, we've fully activated and then restoring our other campus special events, clinics, all of the above. So we are anticipating a normal start keeping that caveat in mind that if something changes, we pauseElizabeth Esser  3:14  So when we started with in person classes last fall seats were spread out. Teachers had plexiglass screens in front of them while they lectured. As of right now, what can we expect in person classes to look like in comparison to in person classes prior to COVID.Dr. Amy Orders  3:30  Some of the recommendations that are coming out slowly but steadily from the Centers of Disease Control really do tell us what the expectations are how to minimize exposure, maximize the experience. So one of the greatest examples that we're watching is public schools, you're seeing the decrease in the spacing. So we were at six feet physical distancing. And now the paradigm shifting to about three feet. When we in our classroom setting some of our classrooms may not be appropriate for different reasons. It could be ventilation, it could be the spacing, whatever that is, we'll continue to assess that even as recommendations come in and say hey, you can be closer together. In the fall though it was such an extreme situation, we were looking at every possible safety mechanism that layers into effect is the Swiss cheese model. If you can give Plexiglas and maximize distance and decrease the occupancy, then we minimize transmission in those facilities, what happens outside and you bring the virus in there, that's still a problem. Well, now that the virus load or the number of positive cases is going down, we can start removing layer by layer not all layers to be able to increase that experience as close to what we used to or we're accustomed to, in like the 2019 timeframe. So university will still look at these things very, very, very detailed and specifically such as plexiglass, like you mentioned, if a faculty member has some sort of experiential learning or in face obligation with a larger crowd. Maybe that Plexiglas is still appropriate because when you Talk, you actually spit, the aerosol is a concern. So we need to think about these things creatively and not assume that we take everything away because that may not be the situation.Elizabeth Esser  5:10  Residence halls will also return to full occupancy. Will any extra precautions be put into place there?Dr. Amy Orders  5:16  there are some standing precautions that we will maintain for sure. So, in our residence halls, single occupancy moving that back to regular double occupancy is is the goal. And still having a process for an exception as we have cases that are necessary to address but the heightened cleaning, having people understand what cleaning in their own personal space means. Understanding what it what the virus itself will exist in the background, how to protect yourself and be more effective and those measures will continue. The other part of it in the residence halls and across campus is messaging. We won't just take down everything that says you know, cover your face, wear your mask, it has to be a blend, a reminder, if it's cold and flu season, we tell people cover your cough and wash your hands. Let's do cold flu plus COVID because it will still exist. So still cover your cough wash your hands. It applies at home and the residence hall settings, it's going to be the same type of approach Elizabeth Esser  6:14  Does the university as of right now have plans for if there are major spikes in cases?Dr. Amy Orders  6:20  We keep that as a on the front burner conversation every day, our plans won't go away. So we will decrease the number of quarantine and isolation spaces in the fall. mindful though that at any point in time, if we have to increase those, again, we will so we have provisions in place kind of in a tiered process. If we have to go back and analyze what the best spacing policies are. We're hopeful that if everyone understands what the community expectations are, then we won't see those spikes we will go and have our social gatherings we may still have limitations on those gatherings. That's kind of a crystal ball that we don't have right now. But if we're able to look at those in a very methodical manner and make some plan decisions, then if we do have a spike we're ready to address.Elizabeth Esser  7:03  Finally, is there anything else that you would like for listeners to know about NC State's return to normal this fall?Dr. Amy Orders  7:09  I think there are two things that I'm going to add one is as some level of surveillance testing is going to have to continue. You know, it's going to be that COVID becomes endemic to society. At some point, it still exists, it's in the fabric. So it's just like seasonal flu it comes and goes. Our testing strategy may not be as pervasive as it is now. But some level of testing is still appropriate to make sure you're not missing some level of information that can better inform our decisions. The other thing is the vaccination process. It's starting to open up stores so widely, the opportunity to get the vaccine is making itself very much available to everybody. So in the next week or so you'll see the next group open, where we can actually invite the close to the 15,000 people who have pre registered for vaccination on campus into the vaccine clinic. Having that vaccination makes a world of difference because increasing the immunity across the board, we reach the closer to a herd immunity status that helps us get back to being able to gather and be in other places in a more social circumstance. I think between the two, because we're really cautious about how we're setting up campus physically, how we're telling people in our training, what to expect, setting the right expectations. It helps us also engage the individual and say some of this is on you. Get your vaccine or if not at your discretion. GO participate in testing, we would like to have that data help us meet in the middle. That will get us back to normal in the fall.Elizabeth Esser  8:37  Well, thank you so much again for joining us today. Dr. Orders. Awesome.Dr. Amy Orders  8:41   Thanks so much.Eoin Trainor  8:43  NC State University became embroiled in controversy this winter when some students began to question its commitment to inclusion and diversity. This came on January 11, when NC State announced that they would not take disciplinary action against Chadwick Seagraves, a university employee accused of being a member of the far right extremist group the Proud Boys. The allegations emerged last November when the anonymous comrades collective an anonymous left wing organization released a blog post and Twitter thread detailing Seagraves connections the group, the thread claims that he posted students and activists personal information online. It also includes photos from a 2017 anti Islam rally in Chapel Hill. These claim to show Seagraves pictured with Augustus Solinvictus, a prominent white supremacist who headlined the unite the right rally in Charlottesville that same year. Seagraves vehemently denies the allegations in a statement he said to paint me as a racist and fascist is heinous slander. NC State made its decision to not take action against Seagraves following a two month investigation into his conduct. In a statement, the University said the rigorous review did not substantiate any significant allegations. Following this announcement, student body president Melanie flowers signed an executive order designating January 19 as a day to protest the decision. I recently sat down with President flowers to discuss this, our interview details student government's perspective on the issue and offers a reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. For Eye on the Triangle I'm Eoin Trainor.First question, what was your and student government's initial reaction to NC State's decision to not take any action against Seagraves?Melanie Flowers  10:26  It was a few things. There was obviously a lot of disappointment at the results of the investigation. It's, it's frustrating, because I know, when all the information came out, at least for me, I was really nervous that there wouldn't be any actions that the university would be able to legally take with the investigation. And so that was really concerning for me seeing as the groups that the OIT employees affiliated with, I think it or I know it continues to spread and just perpetuate a culture of white supremacy on our campus. And that's, that's really nerve wracking, and unsettling, and, and more. And so it sucks, it more than sucks to, to know the university couldn't do anything about it. And it puts student government and myself and others in a place to think about what steps can we take to ensure that the people that the university employees are champions of diversity and inclusion and equity, like the university is trying to be?Eoin Trainor  11:38  In your view, was NC State transparent during the actual investigation? Did they ask for your input at all?Melanie Flowers  11:45  So I forwarded on information after it started to surface on social media. I wasn't asked for input. But legally, I don't have any role to play in the investigation. So that wasn't something that I would have really needed to be a part of anyways. Um, I think transparency is kind of a difficult topic, because I have I have the perspective of somebody who has the knowledge to know what legally can be put out for these kinds of cases and what can't be and like this is it's really an HR case. And I think students are definitely just very apprehensive in trusting the process and the University and I am too, because you just, you you see the results. And you see that Seagraves just continues to be employed here. And you wonder, like, what happened? And, and I get that, and I think that's why the transparency pieces, although legally, it was correct, I think I understand the frustration of what felt like crumbs of information the university was able to share.Eoin Trainor  13:04  Um, you signed an executive order creating a time and place for protests against the results of the investigation. What led you and student government to come up with this decision? Did you consider any alternatives?Melanie Flowers  13:18  This was one of the things that came out of my understanding of the fact that the university couldn't do anything legally. Student Government has a, a privilege and a power to use our voice in the way that our university as a public institution can't. And I didn't want to let that go to waste in student government. It's our job to represent students and voice their opinions and concerns in a way that's heard. And so this was our way of making sure that students knew that we were fighting for them. And we're feeling all of these things alongside them as well. And so this was this idea was really the idea. We didn't really consider other options it. It came about before the first day of classes, and it came about in about a week less thanEoin Trainor  14:13  can you tell us about how the protests went. What was your overall impression of what the students who were there were saying and what concerns they were expressing?Jaylan Harrington  14:23  So it was interesting, because we had to essentially publish the executive order in the protest, and the notification of the protests before students were back on campus. And even though students are back, we're not all here. So we kind of had a completely virtual launch of the protest. And there was a lot of online engagement across social media. And so we definitely felt like we had this student support. In person. We had a couple of dozen students attend and then we also had about 10 people for the virtual option which was awesome to see. attendees were thankful the ones that I interacted with, were thankful that we were saying something. And just making them feel like they weren't alone. I heard a lot of that because I think sometimes or not sometimes for a lot of students, you get this notification and you're alone in your residence hall. And you  you just wonder, like, Is anybody else feeling disappointed? Or is anybody else feeling scared? Or is anybody else angry or mad at this? And I think, actually speaking out provided that affirmation for a lot of students,Eoin Trainor  15:32  And your perception of how the general student body feels, is that any different or do you think it's fairly similar to the opinions expressed the protest?Jaylan Harrington  15:40  I'd like to think it's fairly fairly similar. I know there are definitely individuals who who question if it's student government's place to to protest at all, and there are definitely varying opinions about how we approached the situation. But from what I've heard, what I've seen, the the outcry about Seagraves, when you know, these accusations initially surface back in November, and how that continued over winter break, there's definitely a a larger message and group just just wanting to make sure that NC State is the place that we say we are. And so I think that's definitely the overwhelming the overwhelming opinion, it's just, we've got to do better and right now Seagraves continuing at the university isn't the university doing better,Eoin Trainor  16:25  Right, student government is planning on sending Seagraves one letter a day until he resigns. What does this been like so far? Has he responded? at all?Jaylan Harrington  16:37  I haven't gotten any responses to the office and we're sending them to the on campus office, I don't have his home address. My my guess is that they could be getting forwarded to his home address or they're there until or when he gets to the office. So yeah, that's, that's up in the air. I'm hoping to get a response.Eoin Trainor  17:00  And then even though NC State basically can't take any action, now the investigation is over. Do you think they should do anything else beyond the statements they've released to address the concern that they're not completely committed to equity and diversity?Melanie Flowers  17:16  Yeah, and I think some steps that we are taking, slowly, but surely, as I sit on several search committees, and what's starting to get added to job descriptions at the university is being a champion for the diverse populations that we serve. And it might not be those words exactly. But there are definitely statements and required qualities that are being implemented into all of these positions. It's not just the chief diversity officer who you have to have that competency. It's, it's a random engineer, it's a random instructor that needs to have that understanding. And so I think that's one of the ways that we're moving in the right direction to just make sure that objectively, when we ask anybody who's entering the university, what they're going to bring, we hope that inclusion and equity and a champion for everyone is a part of the qualities they're bringing to the university.Eoin Trainor  18:08  Given the controversy of the situation, has Student Government received any negative responses since the feedback? Have you received any threatening statements to either you or any of the protesters?Melanie Flowers  18:21  Yes. So as I said, I know there are opinions that disagreed with our, our strategy on addressing the situation. There are some comments on our Instagram page asking about you know, is this cancel culture is it SG's place to protest etc. And I think To that end, the University has done, I mean, as good as a job as it can to offer opportunities to educate yourself on diverse communities at NC State and really just in the world, and in North Carolina, and especially over the summer, those resources were shared very abundantly and pass that OIED offers DEI related trainings for for a lot of different communities. And I think there's just too much opportunity to learn, especially this year for this to be considered cancel culture. We, we know that white supremacy is a, a toxin to our community. And that's, that's not physics. So I feel as though there have been clear standards for what the university expects from its community members and those aren't met from what what I feel to be true about his actions and affiliations. Eoin Trainor  19:42  And then just to clarify like no, like any, just like complaints about like, cancel culture and stuff, not like threatening statements or anything, correct.Jaylan Harrington  19:52  Yeah, we, we were very fortunate to not receive death threats or anything of that nature. We did our best to protect the identities of protesters, it helps that everybody wears masks now. So that wasn't a huge concern. And then while we did take down names and contact information that was remained in the hands of a student government official, and its since then been discarded of and that was just for COVID-19 tracing in the event that that was a concern. We could contact people, but it was as anonymous as possible so we could ensure that peace would wouldn't be a concern.Eoin Trainor  20:32  And then, since the protest, is there anything else under your purview that he's been planning to do or have been able to do to address this situation?Jaylan Harrington  20:42  This is a really good question. I spoke to it earlier about the university kind of starting to standardize asking questions related to DEI in all interviews and how that's becoming a more standard piece of job descriptions. And so that's something that I will continue to push for in search committees that I'm a part of, and then also just trying to see what we can do to standardize that practice moving forward.Eoin Trainor  21:10  I think that's it but thank you so much for your time. Melanie Flowers  21:13  Awesome. I'm excited to listen for it thank you for covering thisEoin Trainor  21:22  OIED is NC State's Office for institutional equity and diversity. DEI stands for their diversity, equity and inclusion training programs. For more information you can go to diversity.ncsu.edu.Laura Mooney  21:37  President flowers interview sheds light on how NC State as an institution reacted to the allegations towards Seagraves. However, student perspectives vary greatly on this issue. For further information on student reactions and how other outlets covered the story. We reached out to members of Technician, NC State's longest standing student newspaper. For the latter half of this segment, we are joined by technician editor in chief Rachel Davis, managing editor Alicia Thomas and multimedia managing editor Jaylan Harrington. I'm Laura Mooney, and you're listening to Eye on the Triangle on WKNC 88.1.So let's just go ahead and do some introductions just for you know, when I introduce this segment, the audience members will want to know who's talking representing technician. So if you could share your names and positions at technician, that would be phenomenal. Rachel Davis  22:35  Hi, my name is Rachael Davis. I'm the editor in chief of technician.Alicia Thomas  22:41  I'm Alicia Thomas. I'm the managing editor at Technician.Jaylan Harrington  22:49  And I am Jaylan Harrington. I'm the multimedia managing editor of Technician.Laura Mooney  22:55  And for those who are unfamiliar with student media at NC State, I'm just going to do kind of a general overview question of why is student journalism important from the perspective of student journalists?Jaylan Harrington  23:11  I'll take that one. I think student journalism's important because it's really important to inform the student body of the current events that are happening on campus. We're really the only outlet that cares about the minute details that are happening on campus. So keeping the student body informed is really, really important to meRachel Davis  23:35  It also informs students about issues or maybe policies, the ways of the university that they may not have known about. Laura Mooney  23:45  The next thing I was going to ask was regarding informing the student body, what motivated you to cover this particular story? Rachel Davis  23:53  Well, right off the bat, that a student was being targeted by this employee.Alicia Thomas  24:02  To say, Yeah, I definitely think that that like, unique nature of the story was what was like, kind of shocking to us initially, because when we were sent a tip, I believe, I don't really know. I don't really remember who sent us what, at this point. It's been a minute since we started covering it. But I definitely think it was like, was so obscure, and like strange enough, but also like, preposterous, we were like, We need to look into it more. And that's kind of like what we do with like, weird stories like these when we have to, like investigate a little bit more because it was just like, some random employee and we were like, this cant be real. And thenLaura Mooney  24:52  Some random employee never heard of him before. Alicia Thomas  24:55  Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. Especially with like the political climate over the summer, that was a huge deal. You know, like all the Black Lives Matter protests, the black students petition on campus, this was just like another thing, showing like white supremacy in Raleigh. And just furthering that narrative, that was like huge over the summer.I think it kind of goes into, like, why student journalism is important, what like what we do at technician too because we feel it as journalists, and I'm sure, Laura, you understand as well. But like, as student journalists, we have a duty to inform students about who is around them on campus, and students have the right to know or feel safe and know whether or not campus is safe. So if that safety is threatened, obviously, that's newsworthy, and we have to cover it.Laura Mooney  26:00   Absolutely. And I think that's great commentary. Because in so many different ways, this situation was really I wouldn't say unprecedented. And we'll get into that later. But it was a really unique thing to look at. So because of all the nuances of this situation, how did the technician team handle covering the situation? What was your strategy for going about that? Well, I'll just say, it was really hard. because not everything was confirmed, right off the bat, because there were social media accounts where it did not have his name on it or attached to it. And we were kind of going off the metadata of the anonymous comrades collective. And we had no way to confirm that information, because we didn't have that information. So a lot of our coverage and articles on it was like, allegedly, and you know, surrounding around that language.Jaylan Harrington  26:59  I would also say it takes a lot longer than our recording usually takes, like, we were covering it like it was a breaking story, because it was breaking news to us. But we kept having to pause and wait for days to wait for more things to come out so that we can actually run something. So the articles took much longer to come out because of that.Laura Mooney  27:24  I guess regarding the fact that so much was unconfirmed at certain periods of time, how does that change the way you write about it?Jaylan Harrington  27:36  For me, I'd scribe most of the first two articles we did. What I really wanted to do was hone in on whatever was confirmed. So the, you know, we only got to the point that we could run the very first article. Once we had the fact that NC State was investigating that was confirmed we knew that and once we also had the video of Augustus Solinvictus, literally saying thanks for inviting me Chadwick. Seagraves, like, once we had those two things, it was like, okay, we can pare down all of the other stuff that we don't have confirmed and we don't actually have to highlight that, because we've got these two really solid things.Alicia Thomas  28:17  I also think it's like interesting to discuss, like, what is reportable and what isn't reportable or like, what isn't confirmed? Because what was reportable was that like, or there was so much stuff happening online, and like rumors swirling around, and that obviously, like, we can see that we can take screenshots of that and put that in the article and say, there is a lot of there are a lot of unconfirmed. I don't remember how we put it or even if we put it like that. I don't know, Jalen, can, I'm sure Rachel and I don't remember it as much as Jalen probably remembers that Rachel and I tend to like blackout when things like this are happening. When that's like rumors are swirling, we can report that, hey, students are talking about this. We've reached out to Mick Kulikowski, the spokesperson, and we'll provide updates. So like that's kind of how we treat like unconfirmed information to we can report that people are saying x, y, z about the situation, but we also have to reach out to like, the spokesperson and honestly, we have to reach out to see we had to reach out to Seagraves himself to get like it confirmed to be like HeyRachel Davis  29:49   I guess to go more off that about like the rumors and fact checking. There was a point in time where there's rumors on Twitter, that Chadwick Seagraves went to the Capitol riot in January. But we couldn't just put that out there because that's, you know, not very ethical without it being fact checked. And so we were able to, you know, do picture by picture fact-checking. And we were able to see that it was not him. Yeah, so I guess just a bunch of fact checking that takes a long time. And also being in constant contact with Mick Kulikowski University spokesperson asking like, because the investigation went on for a very long time. So emailing him, you know, every week every other two weeks about are there any updates on the investigation? And him just saying no. But yeah, being in constant like, following following up. I think when we first even reached out at that point, it had been, I remember was like an afternoon, I emailed him or I called him or something. He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.Alicia Thomas  31:04  Because and university libraries had said that he wasn't an employee there. So we were like, does this guy even work at NC State? There was like a lot of rumors swirling and, like, sometimes it just takes a long time, like I said, because at that point, the when the rumors started swirling around, the university had no idea what was going on. It broke fast. It was the talk of the town really quickly soRachel Davis  31:34  it definitely was and I remember talking to Melanie flowers to see the vice president that day. And she basically told me that she couldn't really say anything. And the university couldn't really say anything yet without everything being confirmed. Because there was just so much left out there that nobody knew.Jaylan Harrington  31:53  Yeah. And speaking of how it blew up on Twitter, we usually don't like tweet super early when a story like that breaks unless it's something very confirmed. But when it first broke, there was like an internet mob harassing NC State libraries and their like why is this white supremacist, and they're like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And we had to tweet and be like, okay, the guy that there are unconfirmed reports about works in IT leave the libraries alone was like the implicit message that says, Yeah, yeah, no mob goes wild.Laura Mooney  32:29  So I think that transitions really well. And the next question that I had, because there's so much, you know, I think that there's a lot of talk now about how people choose to express their opinions on the internet, and I will avoid divulging my own opinion there. But there is that, you know, Twitter specifically offers a platform for people to share their thoughts openly and very widely. So what feedback Do you receive on your coverage of this Chadwick Seagraves story. Rachel Davis  33:03  I say our coverage was very, people liked it. Just a short thing, because not a lot of people were reporting on it. I mean, WRAL and everybody was reporting on it. But we were kind of constantly reporting on it, or keeping up to date having updates every now and then, especially towards the end, when the investigation did end, I think we were probably the first or one of the first news outlets to say that they did not find any, like evidence against him.Laura Mooney  33:41   I'm going to skip around some questions a little bit. In your opinion, how was this covered by other outlets? You mentioned WRAL, I know that I've read articles by Indie week, like, how does your coverage differ from theirs?Alicia Thomas  33:57   I think the difference between our coverage and like other local papers and news organizations, coverage is number one, I think we just like because we were NC State we were here, I think it's a lot easier to get access to administrators that there are a lot more like I know. It was a lot easier to just like, or it's very quick to reach out to whoever we needed to reach out to in upper administration to get like information first. As well as I think like student perspectives and student sources. I think because we are student paper we've created like we have a reputation where we are reputable. I like to think with most with many students on campus and they felt like trust in us to confirm information and talk to us to get more background information or talk to us off the record which I don't know. I don't know if WRAL or news and observer Indy week, other outlets like that had, they probably maybe did, but I don't know if they had their student sources and that's where I think that difference is Rachel Davis  35:24  Definitely with the student trust, I would say it's a big thing because yes, I think WRAL was at the freezeout protest a couple months ago, but they were just there for like maybe an hour or so and we were there the entire time, like walking around with the group. Every now and then. Also we- I just lost my phone-Alicia Thomas  35:51  I'll pop in while your thinking. Yeah. But I think like with new local news outlets, I can say this like when WRAL when we're doing like updates to Chadwick Seagraves coverage because I know we did it, or there was like more news that came out. I don't know. Recently, there always is something to be updated about Chadwick Seagraves, but when that's happening, it's just this is happening at NC State and university is investigating this employee here the allegations, bam, it's done, article is done. And I think that our coverage has been more, more more more nuanced.Rachel Davis  36:34  Yeah, it goes into my point that I forgot earlier. But we are able to publish like, student explainer pieces. So we just published a piece about, like, freedom of speech and why Chadwich Seagraves was not fired, because of you know, government employee roles, his place at the university. So we're able to explain to students why the investigation went the way it did, which other outlets probably do not do that. Also, since we are at NC State, and we are students, we were able to write an editorial on our thoughts of the situation, which I don't think any other news outlet did.Laura Mooney  37:20  I think okay, so I have a lot of thoughts there. And I do agree completely that your coverage was extremely nuanced, and that you do have the benefit of proximity to the student body into the event itself, which provides access that other outlets may not have had. And I do think that came across in your coverages, which was why I was excited to talk about you, talk to you, not about you. You mentioned several times having a direct connection to the student body because of that community of trust that the technician has fostered over 100 years of functioning. And so what are your perceptions of the student bodies feelings? What were student reactions to the allegations and then also towards NC State's decision not to fire Seagraves?Alicia Thomas  38:08   I honestly think the majority opinion the majority of a student body is outraged by this decision to keep him at the university. I know at the freezeout protests there was maybe one or two counter protesters in favor like supporting Chadwick Seagraves, but the rest of the student body I mean, there's still protests going on I it kind of died down, but I think last Friday, there was a protest against him. So I would say that the majority of the student body is still very angry that he is an employee here. Rachel Davis  38:46  Yeah, and I think some I yeah, I think a lot of people are still incredibly angry. And yep there have been protests there was one a few days ago. In protest of the university's decision, I do think there might be a silent a silent decent crowd of people who don't think that, who who stand by the university's decision, I mean, I think that we saw very clearly in 2019, during the TP USA event, how split our campus really is in terms of political ideology. I think that NC State compared to like our other, the other schools that are nearby, Like Duke and UNC is far more in the middle, in terms of political ideology we have. So I do think that there is there are a decent amount of people who do stand by the university's decision to keep Chadwich Seagraves on staff or whatever. And I think that has been a point of contention, just like between students, obviously, and staff, and something that we probably should be covering more as well. Just thinking about it,Laura Mooney  40:22   I think you bring up a great point with the turning point, NC State chapter and the culture wars protest, or the protest against culture wars that happened. And I think you're right, I think it is 2019. You know, honestly, in my draft of questions that I had, I wrote that this is not the only highly publicized and controversial happening at NC State's campus in recent years, and then referenced this same event that we're talking about. My original question was, how do you think these events impact public perceptions of NC State? But truthfully, I don't really care about the branding of NC State. How do you think that the continued recurrence of you know issues centered around conservative discourse? How do you think that reflects within the student body? Like, is this representative of larger trends within the university system? In your opinion? Rachel Davis  41:21  This is a great question Laura, or Jaylen, you want to take that?Alicia Thomas  41:26  I was gonna say, Jaylen, you haven't spoken in a whileJaylan Harrington  41:30   Of course, I would love to take this question. Um, I think it's just representative of a trait in the world or at the very least, the United States. Now we're more polarized than we've ever been. And I think, you know, the election of Donald Trump really made it a meme to be antagonistic, it made a meme to be openly all the -ists that you can be. So I do think that that's going to continue to happen, we're going to continue to have these events, there's going to continue to be clashes, and they're probably going to get worse. I wouldn't imagine they're going to get better anytime soon.Laura Mooney  42:11  I think that's a great question. And I also do think that, as reported by, you know, publications across the country across the world, honestly, Donald Trump's influence on political culture, even beyond American borders is far more nuanced than I care to touch on in a 30 second audio clip. But within NC State, particularly, you know, these issues were brought to national platforms, particularly after turning point when Donald Trump invited NC State students and NCSU TP USA members to speak alongside him in Florida and other conventions that he had attended. So I guess in the wake of these kinds of things continuing to happen, as a voice of the student body, how do you believe that student media or students themselves can function to hold the university accountable in these instances?Jaylan Harrington  43:12  I think by recording the truth, it's funny that you mentioned that Donald Trump invited people to speak at rallies. One of the people he invited to speak was Jack Bishop, Jack Bishop during that time of the culture war, that claimed that he was spray painted in the face viciously by I forget who the group was nothing at NC State, I think. So we reported that we also went back and my video session did follow up recording with one of the people who was in the tunnel. And we had multiple eyewitness accounts, saying that was not what happened, essentially, that he moved his head into the way of this spraypaint. So things like that, where, you know, certain narratives are going to be started by certain people is our job to find out what the truth is. And usually the truth is all you're really going to need to combat that.Alicia Thomas  44:11  I definitely also think that, um, like you were saying, it has been just like with the election of Donald Trump, that, like Jalen said the ists have been more normalized and because of that, universities and other public entities like at other establishments are seeing manifestations of that. You look at what in 2018 when UNC tore down, toppled the Silent Sam statue, and just the slew of events that happened afterwards that you know, Just go into a more in depth discourse about race relations in the US and how that fosters or trickles down into even like a university system and how university administrators perpetuate racism. Even if it's not, quote, unquote, intentional, I don't know, if I'm articulate, articulating myself well, but I do think that there have been a lot of trends we've seen of people, people who are advocating for a change on a university level to be more inclusive and diverse, and be explicitly and consistently against racism, and implicit biases, biases, and all of that, and then that directly being challenged by people like, organizations like TP USA, or counter protesters, who were like no, f that essentially and will like come protest. Or if they say things online to people and threaten them. Again, he is threatened, we have to cover it. Laura Mooney  46:37  Of course, I think you bring up a great point with talking about how consciously or otherwise administrative functions can perpetuate, you know, barriers to equality that for generations, for centuries have been sought by people who have been historically oppressed and continuously oppressed by these same barriers, and the list goes on of people who are impacted by them. And what was the faculty sentiment towards this thing, I know that you covered specifically faculty discussions and commentary in response to NC State's choice not to fire Seagraves.Jaylan Harrington  47:16  It was really confusion. They were just as confused as we were. And I think they also had the added element of they knew that students were going to look at them as like a mediary, between them and NC State. So their biggest concern was basically looking at what the university had done and going, Hey, you say you have all these values? You also say, you know, you can't fire this guy. How are we supposed to defend you? What are we supposed to say to students? That was really, really the biggest point that hit me. Watching the faculty senate meeting was they were just as outraged as students are, they were probably more confused. And they just didn't really know what to do at all.Laura Mooney  48:06  Now, this is a question that we've asked other parties that we're interviewing In this segment, and I think it's important to ask your opinion as well. In your view, was NC State transparent during the investigation? Did they consult student media in any way during that process?Rachel Davis  48:26   I do not think the university was as transparent as they could have been. The only reasons why we heard things about the investigation is because we reached out first. And even after the investigation, they wouldn't really say, I'm not sure about the laws and what they can and cannot tell us. But when they did make the decision that there were no substantial allegations against him. They didn't like say what their process was, you know, they just didn't really inform us. They just kind of said, it's done. And he's fine.Jaylan Harrington  49:05  Yeah, I'd say even the faculty senate video that gave us a lot of information, a lot of context as to, you know, the process that leaked, that was not something that was freely put out. That was something that somebody recorded, went out by themselves. So the process was extremely not transparent. And I think that's why NC State is getting so much bad press from this so much bad wolf from this, if they'd just come out from the beginning and said, Look, he may have done this, but we just can't fire him. Sorry, guys. The conversation would be different than them uou know, not saying anything at all.Rachel Davis  49:45  okay to ask Jaylen and Alicia, if you remember, did they even put out a statement at all?Jaylan Harrington  49:52  They said they were investigating is what I remember. I think. Or is at the very beginning was like we don't like white supremacy, obviously. And that was about it. There was never a very big statement put out.Rachel Davis  50:06  Yes, I would say that their lack of a big statement or just explaining what was happening, besides we will be investigating is pretty weak. And I would have liked as a student for them to have addressed it better.Alicia Thomas  50:23   I think this is like an issue nationwide too. Because, again, talking about like the silent Sam stuff, the trend I've noticed, and I think that like Rachel and Jaylen to like, I think that student journalists and students are just frustrated at the lack of transparency and communication about issues that are extremely important to students. Yeah, I think that the only big statement we got was like, right was before when they were like, yeah, we hate racism, heart. And then like, at the end of the investigation, they were like, sorry, heart, he still works here. Peace, love. But like you're safe on campus, which was like,Rachel Davis  51:17  it's like, how do we know that? You know, it's like they're saying that we're safe on campus. But we're not. We don't know that because you're not telling us any information of what you did or how you combated this issue. Like, you can't trust not to be like, don't trust the university. But after they said that, how can you be sure,Laura Mooney  51:38  Trust has to be earned. And as a student at NC State, despite the fact that I don't believe I represent groups who are directly targeted by this kind of rhetoric, perpetuated at NC State. I still recognize that trust, as I said, must be earned. And without providing that background context. As you said, statements, it's really hard for the student body to meet NC State and say, okay, we accept this decision. Which leads us to the final question I have. How do you think this issue will be handled going forward? Do you think that it's over now?Rachel Davis  52:20  I do not think it's over with him. I you know, I think it's over with the whole discussion. I think there will be more instances of people like this coming out or getting exposed but for Chadwick Seagraves I don't think it's over for him either. The fact that there was a protest last week. And he's getting one of the things for the freeze out protest was people writing him letters, and he's being mailed a letter every day saying that he should resign. So it is definitely not over in any capacity.Alicia Thomas  52:55  Yeah, I don't I definitely don't think it's over with him. Like Rachel said, I definitely think there are more people on campus with similar beliefs that are laying low right now. who eventually people start to question their morality in their place in a diverse and inclusive campus. Yeah, I think it's not over and so long as people, so long as we people continue to talk about it, and we continue to report on it. I hope that it like, I hope this conversation in this dialogue continues. So that I mean, I think that's the point of student journalism, but it's to start conversations and affect change and I hope that happens,Rachel Davis  53:50  for sure. And like what you're talking about with the university, I hope we never seen learned from this situation and that if there are instances like this going forward, they know how to better improve and how to better, like you said build trust with the students with handling these situations.Laura Mooney  54:14  From the feedback provided by technicians, staff members, it is clear that this issue is anything but resolved. Furthermore, with student government continuing to send letters to Seagraves letters that currently remain unanswered, there yet exist cliffhangers in this story. As students and staff members alike continue to put pressure on the university to align their words with their actions. The disparity between the two is striking. For more information on this story, visit technicians website at technician online.com. Their coverage includes report on all relevant information, opinion pieces from both students and from Seagraves himself and a staff editorial in response to the initial news break. Furthermore, they've also published the university's official statement on the investigation towards Seagraves and its results audience for tuning into this reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. This has been Eye on the Triangle only on WKNC 88.1Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Featuring Margie Pikarsky, of Bee Heaven Farm Jacqueline Coleman and Ali Nemo with wine news Sara Liss with restaurant news Jack Bishop of America's Test Kitchen Dinner in Minutes at the end!

Very superstitious! Happy Halloween!!! Opening story read by Jack Bishop!

Subscribe to The Green Horizon on TuneIn - https://bit.ly/3l7WgdhSubscribe on iHeartRadio - https://ihr.fm/2J0Y6zWSubscribe everywhere else - https://bit.ly/2GlG0XOAn unseen foe threatens the entire crew in the season finale of The Green Horizon.Find us on:Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/TheGreenHorizonInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/the.green.horizon/Twitter:https://twitter.com/greenhorizonpodFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/Green.Horizon.Podcast/Created By Paul WalshCastKieran Walsh as Gino WhelanCaoimhe Walsh as Sonya HalleyAmy Jackman as Jilly WhelanSteven Stubbs as Bernard DooleyMegan Walsh as RedBekka RoyPaul Walsh as Peter Savage&Jack Bishop as Mortlock the SmugglerSound by Steven StubbsRecorded in the Forum, Waterford, Ireland.Sound Effect AttributionFreesfx.co.ukFreesounds.orgInspectorj- UI Confirmation Alert B1.Wavddunkley- footsteps on metal.wavQubodup- Sci fi Laboratory AmbienceCosmicD- Engine_Hum_New.wavSandyrb- The Crash.wavDWOBoyle- Spaceship_Door_Close.Wav & Spaceship_Door_Close.WavMarkkyup- Spaceship interior 2waveplay- Strange atmospheric industrial hellMusicIntro by Daniel Noronha (Mrthenoronha)Space Chase by Roman Shatov&The Terror of Highway 101 by Steve BlakeleyTechnical Advisor- Sean MurphySpecial Thanks to Stephen Geraghty, Emma Martin & Síona Stokes.~~~~~~~~~~~Indie Drop-InThank you to The Green Horizon for the great episode. You can find Indie Drop-In at https://indiedropin.comSubscribe to our Patreon and Help us support Indie Creatorshttps://patreon.com/indiedropinTwitter: https://twitter.com/indiedropinInstagram: https://instagram.com/indiedropinFacebook: https://facebook.com/indiedropinAny advertising found in this episode is inserted by Indie Drop-In and not endorsed by the Creator.If you would like to have your show featured go to http://indiedropin.com/creators~~~~~~~~~~~

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Subscribe to The Green Horizon on TuneIn - https://bit.ly/3l7WgdhSubscribe on iHeartRadio - https://ihr.fm/2J0Y6zWSubscribe everywhere else - https://bit.ly/2GlG0XOCan the Crew of the Green Horizon survive the merciless onslaught of the Puritans on New Geneva?Find us on:Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/TheGreenHorizonInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/the.green.horizon/Twitter:https://twitter.com/greenhorizonpodFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/Green.Horizon.Podcast/Created By Paul WalshCastKieran Walsh as Gino WhelanCaoimhe Walsh as Sonya HalleyAmy Jackman as Jilly WhelanSteven Stubbs as Bernard DooleyMegan Walsh as RedBekka RoyPaul Walsh as Peter Savage&Jack Bishop as Mortlock the SmugglerSound by Steven StubbsRecorded in the Forum, Waterford, Ireland.Sound Effect AttributionFreesfx.co.ukFreesounds.orgInspectorj- Destruction, wooden, A.wavanechoix- Jazz_Music_Loop.Mp3ddunkley- footsteps on metal.wavQubodup- Sci fi Laboratory AmbienceCosmicD- Engine_Hum_New.wavredoper- rodger beep.mp3MichaelKoehler- Knob Button tape deck cassette recorder mechanicalFreqman- Gym Duffle bag open and close.wavSandyrb- The Crash.wavQuistard- Bag down 3.wavJuskkidink- Nearby Explosion with Debris.wavMusicIntro by Daniel Noronha (Mrthenoronha)Retro Crime Movie Loop by Goran Andric (Zagi2)Technical Advisor- Sean MurphySpecial Thanks to Stephen Geraghty, Emma Martin & Síona Stokes.~~~~~~~~~~~Indie Drop-InThank you to The Green Horizon for the great episode. You can find Indie Drop-In at https://indiedropin.comSubscribe to our Patreon and Help us support Indie Creatorshttps://patreon.com/indiedropinTwitter: https://twitter.com/indiedropinInstagram: https://instagram.com/indiedropinFacebook: https://facebook.com/indiedropinAny advertising found in this episode is inserted by Indie Drop-In and not endorsed by the Creator.If you would like to have your show featured go to http://indiedropin.com/creators~~~~~~~~~~~

Subscribe to The Green Horizon on TuneIn - https://bit.ly/3l7WgdhSubscribe on iHeartRadio - https://ihr.fm/2J0Y6zWSubscribe everywhere else - https://bit.ly/2GlG0XOChaos ensues when the crew of the Green Horizon take a job on the Galactic CityShip the New Geneva.Find us on:Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/TheGreenHorizonInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/the.green.horizon/Twitter:https://twitter.com/greenhorizonpodFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/Green.Horizon.Podcast/Created By Paul WalshCastKieran Walsh as Gino WhelanCaoimhe Walsh as Sonya HalleyAmy Jackman as Jilly WhelanSteven Stubbs as Bernard DooleyMegan Walsh as RedBekka RoyPaul Walsh as Peter Savage&Jack Bishop as Mortlock the SmugglerSound by Steven StubbsRecorded in the Forum, Waterford, Ireland.Sound Effect AttributionFreesfx.co.ukFreesounds.orgInspectorj- Door, Front, Opening.wav-Bike, Bell Ding,Single, 01-01.wavCrowd Screaming, A.wavDestruction, wooden, A.wavUltradust-Sliding chair on Hardwood flooranechoix- Jazz_Music_Loop.Mp3inchadney- City Traffic 2.wavddunkley- footsteps on metal.wavQubodup- Sci fi Laboratory AmbienceCUeckermann- Dog walking on hardwood floorCosmicD- Engine_Hum_New.wavBarkersPinhead- Rummage.Mp3p3n10- Metal Falling on StoneDWOboyle- Coins - 01.wavlawnjelly- Opening a small metal box with keysdeleted_user_87- knife_chop.wavSunnySideSound- Cardboard Box.aifCalpomat- FMJ2.wavredoper- rodger beep.mp3MichaelKoehler- Knob Button tape deck cassette recorder mechanicalFreqman- Gym Duffle bag open and close.wavMoeder Babelutte- TILT.wavAiwha- office chair 2MusicIntro by Daniel Noronha (Mrthenoronha)Deep Base by Pryght OneSynthwave by FurbyguyTechnical Advisor- Sean MurphySpecial Thanks to Stephen Geraghty, Emma Martin & Síona Stokes.~~~~~~~~~~~Indie Drop-InThank you to The Green Horizon for the great episode. You can find Indie Drop-In at https://indiedropin.comSubscribe to our Patreon and Help us support Indie Creatorshttps://patreon.com/indiedropinTwitter: https://twitter.com/indiedropinInstagram: https://instagram.com/indiedropinFacebook: https://facebook.com/indiedropinAny advertising found in this episode is inserted by Indie Drop-In and not endorsed by the Creator.If you would like to have your show featured go to http://indiedropin.com/creators~~~~~~~~~~~

Subscribe to The Green Horizon on TuneIn - https://bit.ly/3l7WgdhSubscribe on iHeartRadio - https://ihr.fm/2J0Y6zWSubscribe everywhere else - https://bit.ly/2GlG0XOWith their Engineer missing, the crew of the Green Horizon must discover his whereabouts, as well as navigate their way past a looming inspection of their ship.Find us on:Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/TheGreenHorizonInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/the.green.horizon/Twitter:https://twitter.com/greenhorizonpodFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/Green.Horizon.Podcast/Created By Paul WalshCastKieran Walsh as Gino WhelanCaoimhe Walsh as Sonya HalleyAmy Jackman as Jilly WhelanSteven Stubbs as Bernard DooleyMegan Walsh as RedBekka RoyPaul Walsh as Peter Savage&Jack Bishop as Mortlock the SmugglerSound by Steven StubbsRecorded in the Forum, Waterford, Ireland.Sound Effect AttributionFreesfx.co.ukFreesounds.orgUltradust- Sipping a drink-Sliding chair on Hardwood floorInspectorj- Door, Front, Opening.wav-Footsteps, Concrete, A.Wav-Toaster Pop, A. Wavddunkley- footsteps on metal.wavQubodup- Sci fi Laboratory Ambiencepfranzen- Smashing head on wallJzazfurek- FerretCUeckermann- Dog walking on hardwood floorCosmicD- Engine_Hum_New.wavAvakas- Lying on BedNebulousflynn- Paper BagEmilZendera98- Ink Marker on Paper. WavBarkersPinhead- Rummage.Mp3KwahMah_02- Five_Beeps.wavYleArtkisto- Prison cell door open and closeDuckduckpony- Clothing_shirtsandpants_rustling.wavMusicIntro by Daniel Noronha (Mrthenoronha)Slippery Loop by Goran Andric (Zagi2)Technical Advisor- Sean MurphySpecial Thanks to Stephen Geraghty, Emma Martin & Síona Stokes.~~~~~~~~~~~Indie Drop-InThank you to The Green Horizon for the great episode. You can find Indie Drop-In at https://indiedropin.comSubscribe to our Patreon and Help us support Indie Creatorshttps://patreon.com/indiedropinTwitter: https://twitter.com/indiedropinInstagram: https://instagram.com/indiedropinFacebook: https://facebook.com/indiedropinAny advertising found in this episode is inserted by Indie Drop-In and not endorsed by the Creator.If you would like to have your show featured go to http://indiedropin.com/creators~~~~~~~~~~~*All music, sound effect, and other copywritten materials heard in this episode is the responsibility of and licensed by The Green Horizon

Subscribe to The Green Horizon on TuneIn - https://bit.ly/3l7WgdhSubscribe on iHeartRadio - https://ihr.fm/2J0Y6zWSubscribe everywhere else - https://bit.ly/2GlG0XOA chance meeting at the local employment center could be the answer to all of Sonya Halley's problems, but does she have what it takes to join the crew of the Green Horizon?Find us on:Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/TheGreenHorizonInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/the.green.horizon/Twitter:https://twitter.com/greenhorizonpodFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/Green.Horizon.Podcast/CastKieran Walsh as Gino WhelanCaoimhe Walsh as Sonya HalleyAmy Jackman as Jilly WhelanSteven Stubbs as Bernard DooleyMegan Walsh as RedBekka RoyPaul Walsh as Peter Savage&Jack Bishop as Mortlock the SmugglerSound by Steven StubbsRecorded in the Forum, Waterford, Ireland.Sound Effect AttributionFreesfx.co.ukFreesounds.orgInspectorj- Door, Front, Opening.wav-Glass smash, Bottle, H.wav-UI Confirmation Alert.wav-Ambience, Food Court, B.wavMAJ061785 - glass clinking.aif-Glass hitting table.aif-Banging Screen Door.aifUltradust- Sipping a drink-Sliding chair on Hardwood floorddunkley- footsteps on metal.wavQubodup- Sci fi Laboratory AmbienceMazDemianAGL- Body_Impact_wood.aiffpfranzen- Smashing head on wallJzazfurek- Ferretthemfish- draw-card.wavf4ngy- Card FlipJakLocke- Pouring a shotPutting coat on and off with zippers.wav- ryanconwayCUeckermann- Dog walking on hardwood floorstintx- Pistol-Reload.wavCastIronCarouse- Chemistry table crash.wavSilverillusionist- Headshot 2Iceofdoom- Dying and gasping sounds-Male DeathBennyChico11- Grunts.wavDariachic- Patting down pillow.aifIESP- Turning a record player on to play musicIwipolppenisse- ExplosionJakobthiesen- Seamstress' Studio Room with ceiling fan.wavjchiledred- stepping on glass.wavsocializedArtist45- Brushing off clothes.wavpauliep83- crash.aifRobinhood76- Distant Male group laughter.wavPogotron- Tape recorder.wavAvakas- High Heels on Marble FloorCosmicD- Engine_Hum_New.wavMrAuralization- FM Radio TuningSoundFlakes- Epic_Heroic_Orchestral_Dramatic.Mp3ALLANZ10D- Shuffling Paper and Book Foley Soundlunnaris- packing.wavwashout- two thumps.aifManda_g- Jewelery Clash.wavMusicIntro by Daniel Noronha (Mrthenoronha)Out of Space Strings Loop by Goran Andric (Zagi2)&The Terror of Highway 101 by Steve BlakeleyTechnical Advisor- Sean MurphySpecial Thanks to Stephen Geraghty, Emma Martin & Síona Stokes.~~~~~~~~~~~Indie Drop-InThank you to The Green Horizon for the great episode. You can find Indie Drop-In at https://indiedropin.comSubscribe to our Patreon and Help us support Indie Creatorshttps://patreon.com/indiedropinTwitter: https://twitter.com/indiedropinInstagram: https://instagram.com/indiedropinFacebook: https://facebook.com/indiedropinAny advertising found in this episode is inserted by Indie Drop-In and not endorsed by the Creator.If you would like to have your show featured go to http://indiedropin.com/creators~~~~~~~~~~~

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Interview with Jack Bishop of America's Test Kitchen Wine news with Jacqueline Coleman Restaurant news with Matt Meltzer Interview with David Tamarkin of Epicurious Special Quick Fix Dinner In Minutes for Cinco de Mayo!

Hey friend! We are all about maximizing the situation with the novel corona virus as we all learn to deal with it and the limitations it brings. So not fun—and it could mean a GIANT reset for your self-care. Why not? I begin with my essay What to Do in a Crisis … Like Right Now. I actually wrote this just after wildfires decimated our beloved wine country, and gun violence was spiraling out of control. Because if there’s anything that I’ve learned since Teal died, it’s that life goes on. And we can improve! In the main section, I share all sorts of self-care ideas for how to use this daily life interruption to seriously improve your self-care. It CAN be done! Listen and you’ll learn all kinds of useful tidbits … Here’s to you. Stay safe out there my friend. RESOURCES How to Stop Trying to Get Meditation Right and Just Relax 10 Meditation Tips for Extremely Busy People Calm App Insight Timer app Yin Yoga app New York Times Food app Zoom Braised Brussels Sprouts With Mustard Cream Sauce, from Jack Bishop’s Vegetables Every Day

Does making a holiday feast stress you out? Jack Bishop, who has been with America's Test Kitchen since the very beginning, has some great tips for holiday dinners, plus a fun new way to teach kids cooking skills!You can go to the Parenting Bytes website for all of the links we talk about, plus an interactive transcript of the entire episode.Subscribe!Have you subscribed to Parenting Bytes on Apple Podcasts?Never miss an episode!Are you following us on Facebook? It's a great way to see what we're reading (including articles that might show up in future episodes), ask us questions, and give us feedback.Find us on Twitter for all the latest family tech news!

Today on Boston Public Radio: Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian discussed his latest book his latest book, "Prisoner: My 544 Days in an Iranian Prison--Solitary Confinement, a Sham Trial, High-Stakes Diplomacy, and the Extraordinary Efforts It Took to Get Me Out." Writer Susan Orlean joined Jim and Margery to talk about her latest publication, "The Library Book," which will soon be turned into a TV miniseries. Jack Bishop, from America’s Test Kitchen, discussed his latest cookbook, "Tasting Italy: A Culinary Journey." Investor Roger McNamee helped to build Facebook. In his latest book he wrote about how he’s come to regret it. It’s called "Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe." Julia Zelizer joined Jim and Margery to talk about his latest book, "Fault Lines: A History of the United States Since 1974." Zelizer is an analyst for CNN and a professor of history and Public Affairs at Princeton University. Poet Richard Blanco discusses the work of poet Ada Limón. Blanco is the fifth presidential inaugural poet in U.S. history, His new book, "How To Love A Country," deals with various socio-political issues that shadow America. This episode of *Boston Public Radio *was previously taped.

Did you know that over 800,000 people in America will suffer a first or subsequent stroke? Also, did you know that 80 percent of strokes are preventable? Kyle and Jeff talk about several things we can all do to avoid a stroke. And let’s be honest, we all want to avoid a stroke. We also visit with Dr. Jack Bishop and Dr. Ellen Driber-Hassal about social gerontology. Check it out.

Jack Bishop discusses the history and unique flavor of celery tonic.

How do the test cooks at America's Test Kitchen manage their cravings? Jack Bishop heads into the kitchen to find out.

Ketchup isn't just a popular condiment, it's also scientifically fascinating. Bridget sits down with Jack Bishop to talk about the physics of ketchup.

Zeppoles are a staple of the San Gennaro street fair in New York city. Jack Bishop has a special connection to the Italian fritters.

Tasting ItalyA Culinary JourneyBy National Geographic & America’s Test KitchenForeword by Jack Bishop Intro: Welcome to the Cookery by the Book podcast with Suzy Chase. She's just a home cooking New York City sitting at her dining room table talking to cookbook authors.Jack Bishop: My name is Jack Bishop and my cookbook is Tasting Italy: A Culinary Journey.Suzy Chase: You're the Chief Creative officer of America's Test Kitchen. How did the collaboration between America's Test Kitchen and National Geographic come together for Tasting Italy?Jack Bishop: Editors were just chatting, believe it or not, at a publishing conference. We thought, wow, as we were talking, if we teamed up National Geographic and America's Test Kitchen we could create a unique book. You think about National Geographic photographs, maps, travel essays to take you there, and then to be able to bring Italy to life in your own kitchen with recipes from America's Test Kitchen, it seemed like a really unique way of bringing the cuisine of Italy to life in a book.Suzy Chase: The beautiful photographs in this cookbook really transport us to Italy. Talk to me about your relationship with Italy and its food.Jack Bishop: I have a very long relationship with Italy. It began as a child. My Italian grandmother, who is the most talented home cook I ever knew. I grew up eating a lot of Italian foods, Sunday suppers. I lived in Italy when I was in my early 20s. I've traveled throughout Italy. Could we just say, they have the best food on the planet in Italy, at least in my opinion. The book is also just a personal passion because the food of Italy is really tremendously different than what we think. I still recall my first trip to Italy. I'd taken an overnight train from Germany and had gotten off the train in Florence, and went to the first restaurant, and there was nothing recognizable. None of the dishes that my grandmother had made were on the menu, which makes sense, once you think about it. Which is that my grandmother's relatives were born in Calabria in the south. Like many of the immigrants that came to the U.S., they came from the south and brought that cuisine with them. The rest of Italy has very different dishes. The climate's different, the geography, the history. The cuisine is different. The food of Florence is very, very different than the food of Calabria.Suzy Chase: How did you figure out the recipes for this cookbook. Did the locations dictate the recipes?Jack Bishop: We decided that we were going to structure the book in three large areas. Northern Italy, Central Italy and Southern Italy. Then within each of those, do a chapter on the administrative regions in Italy. They're kind of the equivalent of a state in the United States. Tuscany would be an administrative region, which is the area where Florence is. For each chapter you begin with an essay and photographs that brings you there. Tells you about the history, the topography, the major ingredients, the food traditions. Then we selected what we thought were the distinctive regional dishes. That was really hard. We ended up with a hundred recipes. The original list had 400 recipes. We really had to pare it down and say, "What are the dishes that really define Veneto or Liguria or Sicily? Most of the sections of the book have five or six recipes that really give you a taste of the unique, authentic local cuisine. Some of them are dishes that will be familiar to Americans. In the Lazio chapter, where Rome is from, you see spaghetti carbonarra, which is a classic Roman dish. But a lot of these recipes are things that frankly I'd never seen because I had never been to that particular part of Italy. So I wasn't familiar with the dish.Suzy Chase: So this cookbook is structured from north to south. Let's start off with northern Italy. The one word in the book you use to describe the food of Italy's northern region is rich. Why the word rich?Jack Bishop: The climate in the north is more like the climate perhaps in the northern United States. It's cold and snowy. I think of maybe the great plains. In the summer it's very fertile, so there's a lot of dairy, a lot of cattle. There's a lot of cheese. The fresh pasta is made with eggs. The influences are really Germanic or Austrian, as a way of describing it. So you see dishes with savoy cabbage, with speck which is a German ham. It is done in an Italian way, but it is a very rich, hearty cuisine. When you get to the far north, you're in the Alps, so it is hearty cuisine that makes sense in that cold weather. Buckwheat, polenta, they're used throughout this region. It is in many ways the most undiscovered part of Italy for many Americans because this cuisine isn't that well known in the United States, isn't really well represented. Most Americans don't end up going to this part of Italy. Lots and lots to discovery in northern Italy.Suzy Chase: Moving on to central Italy, the most significant influence on foods in central Italy comes from the Etruscans. Talk a bit about them and the influences on the cuisine. Jack Bishop: This is the region that sort of spans from Florence to Siena, further south down towards Rome. This is probably, for Americans that have traveled to Italy, the region that they probably spent the most time in. The interesting thing here is how many of these dishes really have their roots in the Middle Ages or earlier. One of the great shifts in Italian cuisine occurred in the 1500s after Christopher Columbus's voyages to the New World and all of these ingredients that came back to Italy and then influenced the cuisine. So, for instance, tomatoes didn't exist in Italy until roughly 1500. Older dishes that have their routes in Etruscan culture, which is really from nearly 1,500 years ago, 2,000 years ago, don't have tomatoes. They're spices. They're beans. They're lots and lots of ancient grains that end up influencing the local cuisine.Suzy Chase: Almost every part of Italy grows olives. But a few locales are famous for the aromatic, rich, extra virgin olive oil. Tell me about Lucca's liquid gold.Jack Bishop: Lucca is in Tuscany. I would say that Tuscany and Umbria, which is the region just to the south, make my favorite extra virgin olive oils. They're often very green and peppery. They're big, bold, exciting olive oils. There are a lot of small farms, which means that they're growing the olives, pressing the olives, and bottling the olives all on site. Which is really a premium extra virgin oil, that it is a boutique product, rather than the semi industrial product of a lot of the extra virgin olive oils that end up in the supermarket, where they're mixing oils from, it could be a dozen different countries. It's a commodity. They're really choosing oils based on price. In Tuscany and particular in the Lucca region, they're just some of the most beautiful olive oils that are made on the planet. They've been growing olives in Italy for centuries and entries and they make amazing oils.Suzy Chase: Now Samin Nosrat has her new Netflix show, and the fat episode was totally focused on olive oil in Italy. Does that surprise you that she chose olive oil over butter for her fat episode?Jack Bishop: No. Let's say this, first of all, olive oil is 100% fat. Butter is fat and water. It's not that I don't love butter, but I think olive oil has way more flavor. You think about the cuisines of the entire Mediterranean basin, not just Italy but Spain, Greece, the eastern Turkey, north Africa. Olive oil is the fat of choice. Those cuisines are remarkably diverse and fabulous. Southern France it is olive oil. I think it is the fat of choice in my home, and certainly in most parts of Italy it is the primary fat that is used in the kitchen.Suzy Chase: Now onto southern Italy and the islands. The air is hotter, the conversation is hotter and the cooking is hotter. The three pillars of southern Italy's diet are oil, wine and grain. Talk a little bit about that.Jack Bishop: The climate is more like it is in perhaps North Africa. It's hot and sunny. It's wonderful for growing olives. There's a lot of oil that is produced in southern Italy. It's more rocky, hilly, mountainous in places. Not great for cattle. So there really isn't a whole lot of dairy, and certainly not a lot of butter, and really not a lot of cheese in this region. It is the sunny south, the land of olive oil. It is also where a lot of grains come from. Sicily has an amazing tradition of growing wheat, a lot of ancient varieties of wheat that we aren't that familiar with. The agriculture there is hard scrabble, but it is diverse and quite different than in central or northern Italy.Suzy Chase: Despite the wealth of food in southern Italy, poverty has been persistent. Even after the foundation of the Italian nation, the south was neglected leading to emigrants to form little Italies all over the United States. As many of these Italian restaurants and various Little Italies cropped up, they put things on their menu that you never see in Italy like garlic bread, fettuccine alfredo or caesar salad. How did that happen?Jack Bishop: It's funny. You can't find spaghetti and meatballs in Italy. They make meatballs, but they usually don't serve them on spaghetti. A couple of things happened. People who emigrated from southern Italia, Naples, Calabria, Puglia, Sicily were generally leaving because of poverty. They were hungry. While they brought their traditions with them, suddenly in the United States there was a wealth of ingredients. There was much more affluence. Meat which was scarce was plentiful. Many of the immigrants went from being quite poor to, in a matter of a generation or sometimes less, being fairly affluent. There was the ability to afford things they couldn't afford. The availability of ingredients was different. For instance, many of the traditional cheeses would've been sheep's milk cheeses of southern Italy. 125 years ago, when my relatives emigrated from Italy, you couldn't really find them here. So there were substitutions. The fact that the ingredients were different in the United States, and suddenly the level of affluence had changed, meant that the cuisine changed. So you got things like the Sunday supper which my grandmother would prepare, which is a very traditional Italian-American celebration with pasta and meatballs and braised sausages and braciole. They don't really eat that way in southern Italy even today.Suzy Chase: Calabria, the rugged toe of Italy's boot is Italy's poorest region but finds respite in the joys of food. Bread has been the antidote for hunger for centuries. Describe the filling Calabria dish called mirstew.Jack Bishop: It's amazing what they're able to do with bread in Italy. Left over bread gets recycled in many, many different ways. For instance, bread salad in Tuscany gets created from basically something that we would throw out in the United States, which was stale bread and rehydrated with tomatoes and vinegar. In the south, there's a lot of flat breads in Calabria. They're more what we would call pizzas in a sense that they are lightly topped, perhaps with some tomatoes, some chilies. They love their chilies in Calabria. They might sometimes be folded and filled, more like what we would think of here as a Calzone.Suzy Chase: Why does the tomato salad taste so extraordinary in capri?Jack Bishop: The climate is great. The volcanic soil has something to do with it. The fact that it's a local tomato. The tomatoes that we generally eat most of the year in the United States are grown far, far away. Tomatoes really don't well with travel. I think it's mostly about the climate and the fact that they are local tomatoes grown and enjoyed within one region.Suzy Chase: Now to my segment called My Last Meal. If you had to place an order for your last supper on Earth, what would it be?Jack Bishop: I think I want my grandmother's lasagna. She made this beautiful lasagna, it was a tomato based lasagna that had teeny little meatballs tucked between the layers with a lot of ricotta cheese and parmigiano. I make it once a year. The smell of lasagna takes me back 50 years, 45 years, and I'm a kid again, sitting on a stool in my grandmother's kitchen. It's just an amazing way to bring family history back to life.Suzy Chase: Where can we find you on the web and social media?Jack Bishop: We're at americastestkitchen.com. You can come to our website and learn more about what we do here at America's Test Kitchen. You can learn more about Tasting Italy. You can also find us on Instagram, our Facebook pages and see the work that I do and that my colleagues here to on America's Test Kitchen. You can also watch our shows on public television. America's Test Kitchen and Cook's Country are both shown on stations all around the country.Suzy Chase: Wonderful, thanks Jack for talking Italy with me. And thanks for coming on Cookery by the Book podcast.Jack Bishop: Thanks Suzy, you have a great day.Outro: Subscribe in Apple podcasts, and while you're there, please take a moment to rate and review Cookery by the Book. You can also follow me on Instagram @cookerybythebook, Twitter is #IAmSuzyChase, and download your kitchen mix tapes, ‘music to cook by’ on Spotify at Cookery by the Book. Thanks for listening. `

America's Test Kitchen chief creative officer Jack Bishop joins the program to talk about his new cookbook covering Italian cuisine. That inspires our host to present her top five Italian comfort food recipes.  And Dara asks "What are you cooking?" as the holiday season approaches.

In today’s show, Justin , Lydia, and Maura discuss beer for dogs, a UK supermarket using facial recognition software for alcohol purchases, and Elon Musk announcing a bid to produce a Tesla themed tequila called “Teslaquila". Then, we discuss drinking etiquette across the world and talk with Jack Bishop of America’s Test Kitchen about their Seattle Eats event coming up next Saturday. Does whiskey really help when you’re sick? We discuss that and give you a simple but delicious cocktail recipe to wrap up the show.

Host Cyrus Webb welcomes America's Test Kitchen's Jack Bishop to #ConversationsLIVE to discuss the work they do and the new book by National Geographic called TASTING ITALY: A Culinary Journey.  

We feisty boomers know that one of the best ways to celebrate life is through travel, enjoying great food and learning new and fascinating information. That’s why this show is especially exciting.  Our guest is none other than Jack Bishop. You know Jack as one of the hosts and chief creative officer of America’s Test Kitchen. He is also a celebrity chef, cookbook author and expert on Italian cuisine. Jack joins us to share all about National Geographic’s incredible new book: TASTING ITALY: A CULINARY JOURNEY.  The book is visually stunning, filled with history and culture and also boasts 100 delicious recipes. I’d say it would make for the perfect gift for anyone who loves all things Italian… and who doesn’t? So give yourself a real treat that will awaken each of your senses and take a listen to Jack as he shares a delightful taste of Italy!      

NWP welcomes Jack Bishop from America's Test Kitchen and a joint venture with National Geographic! The experts at America's Test Kitchen and National Geographic bring Italy's magnificent cuisine, culture, and landscapes--and 100 authentic regional recipes--right to your kitchen. Featuring 100 innovative, kitchen-tested recipes, 300 gorgeous color photographs, and 30 maps, this illustrated guide takes you on a captivating journey through the rich history of Italian cuisine, region by region. Rich excerpts feature the origins of celebrated cheeses, the nuances of different wine growing regions, the best farmer's markets in Venice, and more. Intriguing prose illuminates key ingredients, from olive oil and how it's made to the various pasta shapes of Northern Italy. In every region, the food experts at America's Test Kitchen bring it all home, with foolproof recipes for standout dishes as well as hidden gems: Piedmontese braised beef in lustrous red wine sauce, crispy-custardy chickpea flour farinata pancakes from Genoa (achieved without the specialty pan and wood-burning oven), and hand-formed rustic malloreddus pasta of Sardinia that is a breeze to make ORDER NOW: .https://www.amazon.com/Tasting-Italy-Americas-Test-Kitchen/dp/1426219741

Jack Bishop, Chief Creative Officer at America's Test Kitchen, takes us behind the scenes at this popular multimedia TV show. America's Test Kitchen offers more than 200 online cooking courses and publishes on average ten new cookbook titles each year. Recent books include 'Tasting Italy: A Culinary Journey," a visually stunning compilation of stories and recipes published in collaboration with National Geographic. America's Test Kitchen also publishes Cook's Illustrated and Cook's Country.This show is broadcast live on Wednesday's at 2PM ET on W4CY Radio – (www.w4cy.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (http://www.talk4radio.com/) on the Talk 4 Media Network (http://www.talk4media.com/).

What happens when you mix National Geographic with the flavors of Italy? You get Tasting Italy with Jack Bishop.

Huluween, if you’re oblivious, is Hulu’s month-long Halloween celebration. They have loads of featured horror films and TV shows plastered to the front of the website and their apps. In addition to this, they’re showcasing eight independent short films. Those are going to be what I’m covering today. If you’d like to watch these before I talk about them, you can watch them in an official playlist here. If you’d like to support GEEK THIS and get a free trial of Hulu, please use my affiliate link here. I’ll receive a small monetary kickback for each person who continues their service after the trial is over. URN – Directed and written by Ben Steiner; Produced by Dan Dixon THE RIZZLE – Directed by Josh Tanner; Written and produced by Josh Tanner & Jade Van Der Lei THE HUG – Directed, written, & produced by Jack Bishop and Justin Nijm THE BOX – Directed by Santiago C. Tapia; Written by Jessica Curtright & Santiago Tapia; Produced by: David Moore LIPPY – Directed & written by Lucy Campbell; Produced by Garry Paton HAUNTED, HORRIFYING SOUNDS FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE – Directed by Rodney Ascher; Written by Basil Quartermass; Produced by Tyler Glodt THE GILLYMUCK – Directed & written by Dan Samiljan; Produced by Noelle Hubbell CARVED – Directed & written by Justin Harding; Produced by Kris Elsley, Dale Andrews, Rob Brunner & Jason Kennedy

What is reverse searing, is my avocado is ready, is the meat cooked through? Jack Bishop, Chief Creative Officer for America’s Test Kitchen will answer these and give more easy cooking tips. The test kitchen’s new book is The New Essentials Cookbook. Michael Mayo from the Sun Sentinel gives restaurant news and more a quick fix Dinner in Minutes Sesame Chicken with Snow Peas and Rice.

The Athenæum holds an impressive collection of menus from Boston’s fine-dining establishments from the mid-nineteenth century, offering a glimpse into the tastes and trends of the past. Visit our Digital Collections page to view these elegant menus. Join Jack Bishop, editorial director of America’s Test Kitchen, for a discussion of the tastes and trends in food today as he talks about “100 Recipes: The Absolute Best Ways to Make the True Essentials”. If you could only have 100 recipes at your disposal, what would they be? In “100 Recipes”, the editors at America’s Test Kitchen present what they consider to be the recipes everyone should know how to make—these are the dishes that will give anyone the culinary chops they need to succeed in the kitchen. From everyday basics like tomato sauce, pork roast, and brownies to innovative classics like slow-roasted beef, poached chicken, and cheese soufflé to inspiring global dishes like Thai basil chicken, pho, and Spanish beef stew, cooks at all skill levels will find accessible recipes in this collection.