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Discover the latest global real estate trends and untapped investment opportunities. Keith uncovers high-yield new build rental properties that can deliver impressive returns, even in today's challenging market. Don't miss your chance to build lasting wealth through strategic real estate investing. Tune in now to get the insider insights you need to get ahead. The podcast dives into dramatic global real estate trends, with home prices skyrocketing over 10% in countries like Colombia and the Netherlands. It also examines the alarming rise in U.S. homelessness, driven by factors like housing shortages and inflation. To counter these challenges, the show spotlights compelling new-build rental properties that could offer attractive returns for passive investors. GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/536 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  0:02   Welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, we look at global home price change, the asset class rundown, then the homelessness crisis is mega bad. It just reached new, unprecedented levels, and real estate and inflation has a lot to do with the homelessness surge today on get rich education.   Speaker 1  0:28   Since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, who delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show. Guess who? Top Selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit get rich education.com   Corey Coates  1:13   You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  1:29   Welcome to GRE from Kent Washington to Tashkent, Uzbekistan and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you are listening to get rich education. One reason for a not just national, but global, rise in real estate prices is that you can't fake it. Real property is not a derivative, yeah, you can't fake it. So this really emphasizes the word real in real estate. It's not a crypto within infinite supply. It's not an NFT. You can't fake construction. You can't fake real materials put into property, from concrete to kitchen cabinets. So in the year recently ended, as we catch up to global home prices and select nations, per Fitch Ratings. Let's do that because it was not just a US centric thing. In the Netherlands, the home price change last year was 13% you had that much appreciation in the Netherlands. Colombia, 10% Mexico up 9.3% Brazil had 8% home price appreciation. Australia, 5.2% Australia has just seen year over year home price appreciation for such a long time. The UK had 5% appreciation. Spain, 5% as well. The USA, 4% just like I predicted at the end of 2023 for 2024 It did indeed come in at 4% Canada also had exactly 4% home price appreciation last year, just like the USA did. Denmark 3% Italy and Japan each at two and a half percent. Germany home prices were up just one and a half percent. And France had home prices that fell 3% China had home prices that fell 7.8% that supply versus demand thing in China, where they massively overbuilt, that's why home prices are down there. And as I unveil the depths of the USS homelessness crisis later here on the show, you will see that, yeah, those appreciated real estate prices, like I just mentioned, they have a lot to do with it. Now you might think of the youngest generation, the generation after Gen Z, as generation alpha, and that is true. However, they are no longer the youngest generation, because the babies born on New Year's Day of this year not only got to be featured in feel good local news stories. You know what? They are, also the first members of generation, beta, yeah, which will include children born from 2025 through 2039 so that is the future and the future demographic that's going to demand housing. But first of all, let's look at a year that was yes for years here on the show, we have our asset class rundown shortly after most quarters end, and certainly after a year ends. And today is no different, and this is because at times you've got to compare real estate with the other investment options that are out there. We now have music to play for our asset class rundown feature each time for today and. Future shows. And I know the GRE sound engineer has got to like this. He's also a DJ dropit, Vedrand. Here is GRE 's asset class rundown for the 12 months of last year, residential real estate values were up 4% per the NARS. Single Family existing home price, like I said earlier, single family rents up about 2% per core logic, apartment rents pretty flat, down six tenths of 1% for the year per apartment list, office buildings were down in value 9% the 30 year fixed rate mortgage. It started last year at 6.6% everyone, I mean, everyone, thought that they would go lower, but nope, they ended at 6.9% a little higher. That's per Freddie Mac survey. The s5&p 100 index was up over 23% topping out at 6100 last year. That is the first time the s&p has been up 20% plus in back to back years since 1998 and the s&p is meant to represent 500 companies, but it has become so concentrated due to the rise of the Magnificent Seven stocks that its effective diversification is less than 60 stocks. Morgan Stanley just announced that they expect the SP500, 100 returns to be flat for the next decade due to lofty valuations. Do you know that since 2000 gold has outperformed the s&p last year, gold shot up from about $2,000 peaked near $2,800 and then ended up about 30% for last year, the yield on the 10 year T note was up 63 basis points last year, basically rising from four up to 4.6% by year end. What that means is that that signals higher inflation expectations. Bitcoin up an astounding 111% to end last year around 95k and it topped out at an all time high of 108k oil up just 2% to 72 bucks and a wild card for you. Through October, Bible sales were up 22% compared to the same period versus the previous year. That is GRE 's asset class rundown. It was.    This is get rich education. Let's drop back and do some learning before I update you on housing and the homelessness crisis. Now, a lot of Americans don't really know history that well, and not very many have a good financial education either. But you know, it is quite possible that even the next person you spot in a Trader Joe's aisle has heard of Adam Smith in his landmark 1776 book The Wealth of Nations. Did you know that Adam Smith is the one credited with actually inventing the very concept of supply and demand? Yeah, Adam Smith, a Scotsman is credited with that. He is known as the father of modern economics. You might have already known that. Well, of course, supply versus demand seems to be a more relevant concept than usual. Here with the housing shortage crisis, Adam Smith, he proposed the idea of what he called an invisible hand, that is the tendency of free markets to regulate themselves using competition, supply and demand and self interest, a Darwinian sort of struggle. Really, did you know that he also created the concept of gross domestic product? Yeah, prior to Adam Smith's work, most people considered a nation's wealth based on the amount of gold and silver reserves that they had stored. But Adam Smith said no, it's more about productivity quantified in this GDP in a lot of his work. It also discusses the evolution of human society from a hunter stage with no property rights and no fixed residences, to nomadic agriculture with shifting residences. And then the next stage after that is a feudal society, where laws and property rights are established to protect privileged classes. And finally, that modern society is characterized by laissez faire or free markets, so a good chunk of Adam Smith's work revolved around real estate. Now, the history of economics like that is a phrase that sounds boring. Maybe it is to some people, but as an investor, the least that you should know about Adam Smith's landmark book The Wealth of Nations from the year 1776 is that to review, he invented the supply demand concept. He created the GDP concept, and he championed free markets. That's something you're going to appreciate knowing in your investor life. And also supply demand, as I discussed that in the homelessness problem shortly.    we are a real estate show, and, you know, I just don't hear other real estate shows talk about, well, the unfortunate, I guess, absence of real estate in an increasing number of people's lives now, even if you have a home, learn about how homelessness is gonna make your life worse, too. In fact, it already has. I'm not sure if you've noticed, I will get into that as well. First listen to these two spots, freedom, family investments for an eight to 10% return on your liquid capital and Ridge lending group, they specialize in income property loans. They can really help you, and I would know, because I use them both my self. I'm Keith Weinhold. This is get rich education. Here you go.   Oh, geez, the national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings, so your bank is getting rich off of you. You've got to earn way more, or else you're losing your hard earned cash to inflation. Let the liquidity fund help you put your money to work with minimum risk, your cash generates up to a 10% return and compounds year in and year out. Instead of earning less than 1% in your bank account, the minimum investment is just 25k you keep getting paid until you decide you want your money back. Their decade plus track record proves they've always paid their investors 100% in full and on time. And you know how I'd know, because I'm an investor in this myself earn 10% like me and GRE listeners are. Text family to66866, to learn about freedom. Family investments, liquidity fund on your journey to financial freedom through passive income. Text family to 66866    Hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group NMLS, 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage, you can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. Start Now while it's on your mind at Ridge lendinggroup.com that's Ridge lendinggroup.com   Ken McElroy  12:41   this is Rich Dad advisor, Ken McElroy. Listen to get rich education with Keith Weinhold, and don't quit your Daydream.   Keith Weinhold  12:57   Welcome back. You're listening to get rich education Episode 536, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, it is bad. America just hit a record high homelessness number, and it is up double digits, over 18% in just one year. It is even worse when we look at family homelessness and the rise in that and gosh, get this unaccompanied youth homeless, meaning like a 15 year old kid homeless and drifting by themselves. And this is all in the most powerful nation in the world. And even if you have a home. Homelessness is gonna make your life worse, too. We'll also look at how Trump wants to address this. It is major. And finally, are there any solutions to the homelessness crisis in America today? Well, there are now over 771,000 homeless in America, that's up from 653k just last year. And yes, the homeless can be hard to count, but as long as the methodology stays the same, I mean, there you go with the 18% increase. And here's the thing from all the years, from 2007 to 2023, all 16 of those years, we only saw a total increase of 19% during that entire span, and now 18% in just one year this latest year. I mean, talk about exponential and accelerating homelessness growth. And before I tell you about why this is happening, let's get a better idea of the gravity of this sad situation here, and this is all from HUD's newly released annual homelessness assessment report to Congress among subgroups families with children saw the biggest increase as. At 39% year over year. You think that's sad, but consider how sad this is. Unaccompanied homeless children, they're up 10% in just a year, and that was only up 3.4% all of the previous 16 years combined. Veterans are the only group to see a decrease, and the number of homeless people over 65 so we're talking seniors here that is expected to almost triple by 2030 that is just five years away, and it is just widespread too. I mean, nearly no US geography is immune from this spike in homelessness, from Florida to Maine to California to Alaska. Now, even if you have a home, the shoes of that are pretty good, if you're listening to me, you know, why does this even make your life worse? Well, of course, first of all, homelessness can make your city blighted. But beyond that, just think about how many ways it's just changing your week in and week out routine. I mean, have you noticed, like, just take, for example, when you or I walk into some grocery stores anymore. I mean, I notice how different things are than they were just say, five years ago. I mean, you've got to notice some of these things now, more often than there was just a few years ago, there's an armed guard when you walk into a store near the entrance. Well, someone is paying for that security, whether it's the store passing the price along to you, or whether it's a government or municipality paying that, well, that's where your tax money goes. And what about when you're shopping the aisles of a supermarket, or, say, CVS? Well, now even kind of moderately priced items like bottles of moisturizer, they are under lock and key behind a Plexiglas case. That's inconvenient while you're shopping if you need to use the bathroom, oh, now you need to go get a key or learn the door code to access the bathrooms. That's inconvenient when you're done and as you walk out of the store now, they are more likely to have an attendant that checks your receipts on the way out, and this is just one example at the supermarket. I mean, so many of your patterns are changing due to poor people getting poorer, and the homelessness crisis, if you're in a rural area, it probably affects you less. But just take a look around and notice the change. We're not talking about the change from your parents era, but just in your own life over the past, say, three to five years, homelessness is not good for an area's crime rate either. I mean, it is not good to have desperate people, hungry people, these people have nothing to lose if you're homeless and you commit a crime and go to jail. Hey, that might be an upgrade for some people now you've got a warm, clean place to stay in jail. So now that you and I understand more about why this even affects you and I let's talk about why is homelessness growing at this alarming rate, well, higher prices for real estate, which really accelerated in 2021 and they are not going to relent. As I've said elsewhere, home prices are not going to go down in a meaningful way anytime soon as just three weeks ago. Here on our forecast episode, I forecast another 5% of national home price appreciation this year. And it's not just higher prices, it's higher rents. Rents really started taking off in 2021 as well. Well. Higher rents, that means more evictions, and an eviction is the start of homelessness for a lot of people. And a third reason for this surge in homelessness is just that overall lack of housing. I have covered that extensively elsewhere. Yes, the housing supply crisis, and as I'm known for saying, the housing crash already occurred. Did you miss it? It was a supply crash that occurred about five years ago, and a lot of agencies think we're under supplied by 3.7 million housing units. Now, when you look at the new HUD supplied map of homelessness by state, you can very much see that it is about housing, because those regions with the highest home prices generally have the most homelessness. We're talking about the Northeast, the West Coast and Hawaii. And the fourth reason for the homelessness surge is that, of course, inflation started accelerating about four years ago, and people just cannot make ends meet anymore. CPI inflation peaked at 9.1% back. In June of 2022 and year over year, prices are still going up 3% today. Prices are not going down. They're just rising at a slower rate. And of course, inflation hurts the poor and actually helps the wealthy, exacerbating the inequality Canyon the wealthy have assets. Those assets float up in value with inflation and the prices at the grocery store are just a tiny part of a wealthy person spending. But the poor don't own assets that float up with the inflation and higher grocery prices and things like electric bills, well, they comprise a big part of a poor person's income. And fifthly, the massive arrival of immigrants pushed up homeless numbers these past, oh, three or so years. And it remains to be seen how many of those people really get deported. And you know, a sixth reason for homelessness. It's not something new, it's what I'll call all of these background reasons that have been there for decades and are not going away, like how a medical emergency can even drain a middle class person's savings and things like ongoing substance abuse. I mean, drug users often cannot stay employed. So there you have it. What was that? Six big reasons that I've identified for surging homelessness now let's see what Donald Trump has to say and understand that, due to last June Supreme Court decision, Trump now has got more power to clear out encampments and make life for the homeless more difficult, opening the door now to be criminally charged for trespassing and illegal camping. I mean, you really don't want to be homeless today as part of what Trump calls his agenda 47 his plan to tackle homelessness. Here is his preamble.    Donald Trump  21:57   Our once great cities have become unlivable, unsanitary nightmares surrendered to the homeless, the drug addicted and the violent and dangerously deranged. We're making many suffer for the whims of a deeply unwell few, and they are unwell. Indeed, the homeless have no right to turn every park and sidewalk into a place for them to squat and do drugs. Americans should not have to step over piles of needles and waste as they walk down a street in a beautiful city, or at least once beautiful city, because they've changed so much over the last 10 years.    Keith Weinhold  22:40   So that's the problem. Here's the solution. I'll boil down the meat of the Trump agenda, 47 homeless statement to just the most salient 40 seconds for you here. Just listen to this, and as you listen in closely, note that this is not a housing first plan for the homeless. Instead, it's treatment first.   Donald Trump  23:03   Under my strategy, working with states, we will ban urban camping wherever possible. Violators of these bans will be arrested, but they will be given the option to accept treatment and services if they're willing to be rehabilitated. Many of them don't want that, but we'll give them the option. We will then open up large parcels of inexpensive land, bring in doctors, psychiatrists, social workers and drug rehab specialists, and create tent cities where the homeless can be relocated and their problems identified. But we'll open up our cities again, make them livable and make them beautiful.   Keith Weinhold  23:43   Okay, it's not housing first, because, see, he wants to ban urban camping, something that parallels the Supreme Court decision. What this is not is that it is not giving the homeless hotels in the city, like some cities have recently done, converting their hotels into homeless shelters. Instead, this is designating large parcels of cheap land for tent cities, but outside the urban core, like in a big grassy lot, and then bringing in social workers and rehab specialists for them, and that way, his solution is that this city is free of homeless people, and really that is the crux of Trump's plan. But what are some other solutions here? And these are now my insights, not Trump's, that is, build more housing. That's really simple. I mean, this will naturally slow down, accelerating home prices and spiking rents, and we've got to relax regulation and zoning. We had a zoning expert, Nolan gray on the show here last year. Some scholars believe that we should just eliminate zoning in America completely. And one. One way to relax regulation is to Gosh, revisit some of these over the top safety concerns. I mean, look, it increases the cost of the most basic entry level housing when every home needs to have all these thick, fire rated doors and smoke detectors all over the place, and carbon monoxide detectors everywhere, and GFCI electrical outlets all over the place. I mean, hey, it sounds kind of funny to say out loud, but all this stuff contributes to making affordable housing impossible. And another solution is that you've got to kill nimbyism in a lot of cases, yes, that not in my backyard. Ism, you know, a person can act like they're all pro development, and like they're all free market, and they want to have their home built just how they want it, where they want it, but you know what, as soon as their home was built, they don't want others moving near them, yeah, somehow the free market's not so great anymore, okay? And they sure don't want apartment buildings nearby. Well, that is what we need, allowing taller structures to be built. That is called up zoning. It doesn't have to be a gigantic apartment building either. We need more, mmm, properties, multi families, missing middle. That means building more two, three and four unit structures in single family neighborhoods, duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, because a lot of those can be built so that they look like single family homes. But yet it's something affordable and it helps with density. Another solution to deal with homelessness is to, of course, bring down inflation. The government needs to stop printing, say, $1 trillion to pay for a program, whether that's sending aid to foreign nations or whatever that program is. When more dollars are created like that, it debases the currency everyone else is holding on to, including your dollars, and it makes everyone from landlords to grocers have to raise their prices. And you know, here's the funny thing in the last election for president that we had last year, well, that administration got voted out of office, and many say that the number one reason was due to high inflation, but yet, look at what they voted for with the incoming administration. Everyone expects higher inflation. So there's a real paradox there.    On our YouTube channel, you can watch videos of me going out outdoors and interviewing the homeless. In fact, I'm surprised at how many homeless let me into their tents, and they wanted to show me their makeshift shelters and tell me about their life. I mean, that's kind of the good news. They were open. They were friendly people. I think they really wanted that to get exposed, because they were hoping that people would see that to come do something for them. I think that's why they've been so open with me. So that was good on the flip side, oh gosh. One thing that they have in common is that they all seemingly want to blame somebody else for the condition that they're in other than themselves, like the government or including telling me that landlords are greedy. But it really is fascinating to see from our get rich education YouTube channel, which is different content from this show. Just search the word homeless there on the get rich education YouTube channel and you can see it.    Hey, I want to ask you something. What is your on ramp to real estate investing? Like, how did you approach it? Or how did you get into it? I mean, mine was as a disgruntled employee. That's it. I didn't come from a complimentary professional place. I mean, that's how I became an investor, and there was nothing wrong with my job position. Specifically, I worked with good people and everything. In fact, I had an easy and safe job, and it paid a little bit well. But, you know, safe is not the place to be. Safety is the opposite of freedom. As an employee, you know, I could see that 401 K type plans. They were designed so that you don't get income from them until you're old. It's a salary reduction plan all those working years as well. Well, no wonder that your employer encourages participation in them. That way they're going to keep you working as an employee until retirement, because that's when they're designed to generate income. But see my point here, really is that I did not have a complimentary skill set to real estate investing, and if you do, it can be to your advantage. So you know what I mean. Let's take a couple of friends of. The show here, Robert Helms, host of the terrific real estate guys radio show. He came from a real estate agent family. His dad was an agent. Well, that can help you find deals. How about Ken McElroy, another frequent guest on the show here, very successful real estate investor. Well, he was a property manager before he became a real estate investor, totally complementary skill set. And by the way, two months ago in New Orleans, I was invited to participate in a collective inner circle mastermind group session that Robert and Ken help run. That was cool, but getting back to complementary skill sets, Michael Becker, a former guest here on the show, he was a lender, so he got to see the paperwork of all these successful investors. So he became one himself. I mean, as a lender, you keep seeing savvy investors leverage themselves with debt and then do cash out refinances, a tax free windfall event, all while they keep the asset too well. He wanted to get in on some of that. And I also know real estate investors that started out as handymen, okay, a hands on trade that can totally help when you're starting out as a real estate investor. So do you have a complimentary skill set that can help make you a successful real estate investor. If you don't, then don't despair, because you know what? I don't have one myself. I was just a former employee that wanted something else. I don't have a complimentary skill set to real estate investing. No transferable professional skill. Instead of that, I just became a reader, but not a massive reader. Of course, I was a learner before I was a teacher. I enjoyed learning this stuff, and I also got a good grasp on the numbers and how that works. But importantly, my advantage was I take action, I just keep adding property to my portfolio. You just got to keep doing that, regardless of what's happening in the larger economy or what prices are or what interest rates are.    And as you know, last week, I discussed the advantages of owning and building with brand new build rental property today, and you know, new build and these build to rent properties, those are things that that really wasn't even available when I started out investing. Well, it wasn't. I mean, with new build, oh, your maintenance repair costs are going to be low. You tend to attract a high quality tenant that also tends to stay for a while. Insurance costs tend to be lower on new build. And there's a bigger advantage than all of that in the market cycle right now that I'll get into shortly. Well, historically, the long run average. Do you have any idea what proportion of homes for sale are new build homes? Any guess, like, what share of those homes are new? It's only about one in eight. Yeah, the Census Bureau and the NAR tell us that it's 13% historically. Okay, well, what do you think it is today? Well, today, that number is up. Existing homeowners, they're not selling those homes aren't getting on the market as often due to the lock in effect, and we have to add supply. So in order to do that, we are building more new there's just no other way to bring it to market. Well, today, the proportion of new build homes for sale among all homes for sale is fully double that, at 26% although we're still undersupplied of homes in the US by about 30% you know there are pockets where they've overbuilt with new builds, including in Florida and Texas. So the time could really be right to expand your income property portfolio in one of those places, because builders that we work with at GRE marketplace are really willing to give you a deal now you've got them right where you want them if you're looking for a deal. How does a four and three quarter percent interest rate sound? Yes. Rates on non owner occupied property are about eight right now. They're about seven on owner occupied property, but we've got builders willing to buy your rate down to 4.75% and they're also offering one year of free property management and three months of rent guarantee protection in case your property is not occupied right away. The first one is a brand new build duplex in Inverness, Florida, two beds, two baths, each side, price of 420k projected rent from both sides at $2,830 and the size is 2100 square feet. I mean the. That sounds like it could make your cash flow thin, until you consider that 4.75% fixed mortgage rate the property tax is about one and a half percent and insurance get this projected at just $1,155 a year for an entire new build duplex, and now you might ask, what could the rate of return be on this Florida duplex new build? Well, I projected 5% appreciation for this year. New builds tend to appreciate better than existing property, but let's just use 5% if you have a 25% down payment, that's four to one leverage. So you've got a 20% return on your money. And let's just keep it conservative. When we look at monthly cash flow, that results in a 5% cash on cash return. Add that to your 20% leverage appreciation, you're up to a 25% ROI already. Add in the fact that your tenant is paying down your principal for you by $405 every month. That's 4860 annually, divided by your 105k down payment. That means you've got another four and a half percent return here. Let's just call it four. You're up to a 29% total ROI we haven't even added in yet, your tax depreciation benefit, and now you're up to a return in the mid 30s. Finally, your inflation profiting benefit on your fixed amortizing debt, and you are well into the 40s for a percent return on an annual basis. And of course, most of these are only projections. It could disappoint you at 30 or less, still a nice return, or it could over perform at 50% or more. I mean, this right here is how wealth is built. I mean, this is how you do something that disrupts your entire family tree that was the new build duplex. Then I'll share one other one with you. Here from GRE marketplace. Is a single family rental. This one is in Locust Grove, Georgia. Gosh, it looks really good in the photo here with a two car garage and some brick facing, its price is 339k rent is 2350 The size is 2164 square feet, so only a little bigger than the duplex here in this new build, Georgia, single family rental, four beds, two baths, beautiful looking new construction on the inside, open floor plan, stainless steel appliances, I can't tell whether the floor is LVP or wood laminate, but it's got a flooring type that's resilient, that tenants like, and your rate of return is going to be similar to the duplex ROI that I laid out, though probably not quite as high as the duplex. I mean, with these interest rate buy downs, these could very well be the property types where, in just five years time, maybe even as little as two or three years time after owning them, you look back and you consider how opportunistic you work in this part of the market cycle where there are now more new builds that you can choose from, and a builder was willing To make you a deal to keep their product moving, because they build a little too much in some pockets of Florida, for example. So yes, these and more like them are available, and there are more in Florida, Georgia, Alabama and a number of other states. And you know, something I don't think I shared with you earlier, it's convenient. You can get a spot with one of our GRE investment coaches right on their calendars, you can look at their calendar and pick a date and time that's convenient for you. For a free coaching session, they will learn about you. They'll let you know where the real deals are, if they're right for you at all, all you've got to do is visit GRE marketplace.com, and click on the free investment coaching area. There you are with some real opportunities and an actionable resource. Until next week, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, don't quit your Daydream.   Speaker 2  39:17   Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice, please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get rich Education LLC, exclusively you   Keith Weinhold  39:45   The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth, building, get rich, education.com    

The Artistic Legacy: JD Shultz's Colorful World Beyond CanvasOn this captivating episode of The Travel Wins, we dive into the vibrant world of JD (Joshua Dimitri) Shultz, an artist whose creative path was no surprise given his family's rich artistic heritage. With both parents, Carole Shultz (a renowned sculptor and painter) and Jack Shultz (a pioneering multi-media painter), making waves in Southern California's art scene during the '70s and '80s, JD and his siblings grew up immersed in an atmosphere where art wasn't just a profession but a way of life.From a young age, JD and his siblings, Adam and Rachel, channeled their creativity, shaping what would become a family legacy cherished worldwide. Today, the works of all five family members adorn homes and offices across the globe, bringing a touch of their artistic spirit to life. JD's unique style stands out through his playful yet intense compositions—what he describes as "complexity at its most whimsical." His innovative approach includes painting on the reverse side of Plexiglas with acrylics, producing vivid, three-dimensional works that leap off the surface.From dreamlike cityscapes to surrealistic, thought-provoking abstracts, JD's art invites viewers into a world where imagination knows no bounds. Celebrities such as Larry King, Ryan Seacrest, Dr. Drew Pinsky, and members of the rock band Rush are among the many who have added JD's striking creations to their private collections.In this episode, JD shares insights into his creative process, his family's profound influence on his work, and how he continues to evolve as an artist while navigating the business side of the art world. Tune in as we explore how JD Shultz's work captivates the mind, soul, and inner spirit, offering an unforgettable artistic journey.

Kurzes Update zu Promi Big Brother Tag 4, damit du auf Stand bist.  Jungs rauchen Shisha und reden über Escort Ladies, Leyla zweifelt alles an und endlich gibt es Prinzenrollen Kekse. Verwirrend war, dass Plexiglas abgeleckt wurde… Trash TV Gold! Für Details hört einfach in die Folge.  Sprachi kriegst du jetzt jeden Tag

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day for October 9, 2024 is: coruscate • KOR-uh-skayt • verb To coruscate is to give off or reflect light in bright beams or flashes. Coruscate is used as a synonym of sparkle and may also be used to mean "to be brilliant or showy in technique or style." // She placed a bid on a classic car from the 1950s, replete with yards of coruscating chrome. See the entry > Examples: "The show is beautifully laid out. It's installed in a small, dark, semicircular gallery, with jewelry in vitrines spotlighted against a black acetate and Plexiglas. The diamonds glint and coruscate as you move across the displays." — Seph Rodney, The New York Times, 2 Sept. 2024 Did you know? "You're a shining star / No matter who you are." So sang the band Earth, Wind & Fire on their 1975 hit "Shining Star," which is not only a coruscating gem of funk and soul but one that serves as a handy (and catchy) way to remember the dual uses of the verb coruscate. This formal-sounding synonym of sparkle comes from the Latin verb coruscare, meaning "to flash." Originally, coruscate was used only literally, applied when things—such as, well, shining stars—glitter or gleam, as when Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote in his 1852 short story about a scarecrow, "Feathertop," that "the star kept coruscating on Feathertop's breast…." Eventually, coruscate gained figurative use, applying to those human shining stars who may be said to have a "coruscating wit" or "coruscating brilliance," or to things (such as satires, performances, or prose) that are metaphorically brilliant.

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Ein Meilenstein für den medizinischen Fortschritt: Die erste funktionierende künstliche Herzklappe wird 1952 einer Patientin eingesetzt. Moderatorin Sarah Brendel schaut zurück auf eine erfolgreiche Operation am offenen Herzen.

Artist @ForrestLawsonArt Forrest Lawson's work explores memory, space, and queerness, featured in The Bureau of Queer Art's first-anniversary exhibition at Dama Gallery in Ventura, CA, and on Artsy.net from June 1 to June 29. His latest piece, “Dick Den,” a transparent Plexiglas dollhouse filled with BDSM furniture, symbolizes the fragile nature of queer visibility. Lawson's art critiques the hypersexualization of queer spaces and incorporates elements of queer architecture and community. Discover more about his work in our feature interview and podcast episode.. Discover more about this powerful narrative in our feature interview and podcast episode and download the magazine for FREE at ArtGalleryStudios.com Apply today to be apart of the community of contemporary Queer & Allied artists! ArtGalleryStudios.com #AlliedArtists #SupportQueerArtists #ArtWithPurpose #LGBTQArtists #ArtWithoutBorders #SupportLGBTQArt #DiversityInArt #ArtForChange #CulturalDialogue #ArtActivism #QueerCreatives #ArtGalleryStudios #ArtistsForEquality #QueerArtMatters #QueerArtistsUnite #InclusiveArt #QueerVisibility #PinkTidePride #DamaGallery #ArtExhibition #Artsy #LGBTQArt

Andreas ist zu Gast im Tropenhaus und gemeinsam gehen wir auf Tauchstation. Was sind Deepdives, warum schauen wir sie so gerne und was es alles über Schlangestehen, obskure Cartoonserien und Reisen mit gigantischen Stofftieren zu lernen gibt, erfahrt ihr in der neuen Folge. Techniktagebuch Tv Tropes: Web TV Vanity Fair: Best TV Shows of 2024 TH 54: LARP Pop Culture Happy Hour Lindsay Ellis BreadTube Jenny Nicholson The Spectacular Failure of the Star Wars Hotel Friendship is Witchcraft My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic THE Vampire Diaries Video Evermore: The Theme Park That Wasn't Well, I guess SOMEBODY had to read “Trigger Warning” A needlessly thorough roast of Dear Evan Hansen (2021) Oh no! The Rise of Skywalker was real bad :( The Church Play Cinematic Universe An Excruciatingly Deep Dive into the Avatar Theme Park Suicide Squad Sale Pitch SPIDERQUEST: Quest for the Man-Sized Spider Defunctland DefunctTV: The History of Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? Defunctland: The History of Ghostbusters Spooktacular Disney's FastPass: A Complicated History HBomberGuy Vaccines and Autism: A Measured Response YouTube and Plagiarism Dismaland ContraPoints TH 01: Harry Potter JK Rowling | ContraPoints Twilight | ContraPoints The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | ContraPoints Envy | ContraPoints Jordan Peterson | ContraPoints TH 22 Encanto Scratch-Soundeffekt: https://pixabay.com

Caner Gerek: Cüneyt Bey nedir bu fahiş fiyatın tanımı iktisatta? Hatta mümkünse İngilizcesini de paylaşabilir misiniz? (exorbitant price değil herhalde) fahiş kelime anlamıyla ölçüyü aşan demek ve fahiş dendiği anda ölçünün ne olduğuna dair iktisadın net bi fikri olması gerekir ki çok iddialıhttps://x.com/canergerek/status/1784176713523425663Yayında adını hatırlamadığım Plexiglas hikayesi: 1940'larda Rohm and Haas adındaki kimyasal şirket dişçilikte de kullanılan Plexiglas (methyl methacrylate) adlı maddeyi dişçilere 22 dolardan, diğer sanayi firmalarına ise 85 kuruştan satar. Sanaycilerin bu maddeyi alıp dişçilere daha ucuza satmalarını engellemek için de içine arsenik koymayı düşünürler. Tabi hukuki problemlerden korktukları için arsenik koymazlar ama bunun dedikodusunu yayarlar. (Kaynak: The Armchair Economist, S. Landsburg)Keyifli dinlemeler.[Kayıt tarihi: 30 Nisan 2024]Güncellemelerden haberdar olmak ve daha fazlası (bölüm notları, soru ve yorumlarınız) için: tersaci.substack.comTwitter: @trscbrs Get full access to Ters Açı'dan at tersaci.substack.com/subscribe

This is an oral testimony of Captain Frank Murphy from The Frank Murphy Collection at the National Museum of the Mighty Eighth Air Force. Throughout our episodes, you have been hearing audio clips from this interview.  Here is the interview with Frank Murphy in its entirety. Sitting on jeep, left to right: Lt. Frank Murphy and Lt. Charles Cruikshank. Standing far right is Capt. Albert “Bucky” Elton, 418th Sq. Operations Officer. Others kneeling and sitting, left to right: Lt. Augie Gaspar, Lt. Glenn Graham, and Lt. Burr, 418th Sq. Intelligence Officer. Murphy Collection. Frank Murphy survived German POW camps after being shot out of his B-17 Flying Fortress. His bravery earned him the Prisoner of War Medal, Purple Heart, and Air Medal. The incredible stories of Murphy and his 8th Air Force's 100th Bomb Group is now being featured in the Apple TV+ Series, Masters of the Air.  Murphy's story documents his order of assignments, the everyday adversity of war, his downing and his custody--all told with unembellished, yet searing objectivity. Members of the 100th Bomb Group at RAF Thorpe Abbotts on August 17, 1943.  Frank D. Murphy is kneeling on the left with a dagger in his pocket. Below is an excerpt from his memoir, Luck of the Draw: On Monday, June 28, 1943, along with seventeen other [100th Bomb Group aircrafts], and three other 4th BW groups equipped with Tokyo tanks, Crew No. 31 set out to attack the German submarine pens at Saint-Nazaire, France. Because of the large number of antiaircraft guns ringing the port, it was known as “Flak City.” Out of respect for this formidable array of defensive weaponry, our bombing altitude would be twenty-eight thousand feet, the highest bombing altitude of our combat tour. With our long-range fuel tanks, it was not necessary for us to fly over France; instead, we departed the English coast at Land's End at the southwestern tip of England, flew entirely over water around the Brest Peninsula, and made our bomb run from the sea over the Bay of Biscay. It was a beautiful sunny day, but as we turned to our bomb run at the IP, I saw antiaircraft fire for the first time. It horrified me. The flak was easy for me to see since my navigator's table was immediately behind the bombardier, whose position was in the Plexiglas cone that formed the nose of the bomber. I could easily see past the bombardier and, of course, I had windows of my own, so getting an eyeful of flak bursts was unavoidable. When we entered the flak, it was an almost uninterrupted cloud of swirling black smoke filled with angry red explosions. Plainly, any one of those exploding shells could obliterate an aircraft and its crew without warning. When the group ahead of us entered this inferno, they all but disappeared. My heart felt as if it would stop. It did not appear possible that anyone or anything could fly into that hell and come out alive on the other side. But somehow, despite being buffeted by thunderous explosions and the incessant clinking, clanging, and pinging of shell fragments striking our airplane, we made it through. I quickly learned to hate flak—it frightened the life out of me. We could not see it coming, nor could we fight back as we could with enemy fighters. The German gun-laying radar was incredibly accurate. The standard German antiaircraft gun, the 88 mm flak cannon, was capable of hurling an eighteen-pound shell to a maximum slant range of nine thousand yards. It took the shell twenty-five seconds to cover this distance, and during this time, its target would move almost two miles. Yet we seldom knew we were under fire until the antiaircraft shells began exploding in proximity to us, usually in simultaneous bursts of four black puffs from a single battery if it was light, or in thick concentrations of random explosions if several batteries were zeroed in on us. We couldn't take evasive action until we were already in the middle of it, and on a bomb run, we took no evasive action regardless of how intense the flak was. We had to fly straight and level so the bombardier could drop the bombs on target. The din inside the airplane was horrific—the continuous roaring of our four Wright Cyclone engines was almost deafening. Still, we could easily hear the muffled explosions of nearby flak bursts, and if they were really close, they made loud, cracking sounds like near-miss lightning strikes or breaking tree limbs. If German fighters attacked us, the airplane shook and vibrated violently from the operation of our flexible machine guns and power turrets, sounding much like someone thumping on washtubs with sticks. Dust and threads of insulation flew about the airplane, and shrapnel from flak, which varied in size from as big as baseballs to as small as gravel, rained on and often penetrated the thin skin of the airplane. Inside the Plexiglas nose of the airplane, it was as if we were in a fishbowl in a shooting gallery five miles up in the sky in an already-unforgiving environment. It is difficult to describe how exposed and unprotected we felt. Wreckage of Frank Murphy's B17, shot down over Münster, Germany Mission 21, Münster, Germany The Battle over Munster was a pivotal moment in the war, and it played a significant role in the eventual Allied victory. By targeting the railroad marshalling yards, the Allies were able to disrupt the flow of supplies and reinforcements to the German front lines, weakening their position and ultimately helping to turn the tide of the war. Shot down During this hazzardous mission near Münster, on October 10th 1943, Frank (on his twenty first mission) was aboard the B-17 Flying Fortress "AW-R-Go" (#42-30725) when the plane was shot down. Crew members B-17 Flying Fortress "AW-R-Go" Captain Charles B.Cruikshank, Pilot, POW 1st Leutenant, Glenn E.Graham, Copilot, POW Captain Frank D.Murphy, Navigator, POW 1st Leutenant, August H.Gaspar, Bombardier, POW T/Sergeant Orlando E. Vincenti, Radio operator, KIA T/Sergeant Leonard R.Weeks, Top Turret, POW  S/Sergeant Robert L.Bixler, Ball Turret, POW S/Sergeant James M.Johnson, Waist gunner, POW S/Sergeant Donald B.Garrison, Waist gunner, POW Sergeant Charles A.Clark, Tail gunner, KIA Atlanta Journal Constitution Article from early November 1943 after Frank Murphy and his crew were shot down. Taken prisoner Captain Frank D. Murphy (22) was taken prisoner of war for the remainder of the war, which lasted for another nineteen months. He was first sent to Stalag Luft III in Sagan, a prisoner of war camp for captured airmen. In January 1945, as the Russian Army advanced on the camp, the prisoners were moved to Stalag VIIA in Moosburg, which was a work camp for Allied prisoners of war. After enduring a grueling march in sub-zero temperatures, with little rest or food, many soldiers did not survive the journey. Frank even traded his shoes with a fellow soldier to survive. They were then crammed into boxcars for two days and three nights with no access to sunlight or fresh air. Preparing to depart Stalag Luft VIIA on May 10, 1945.  Frank D. Murphy standing third from the left. Liberation Upon arrival in Moosburg, where he was assigned to Work Camp 3324-46 Krumbachstrasse and later to Work Camp 3368 in Munich, the conditions were horrific. Frank referred to it as a "living hellhole of all hellholes." However, on April 29th, 1945, General George S. Patton's American Third Army liberated over 100.000 POWs, including Frank. He had lost over 50 pounds, weighing only 122 pounds at the time of liberation. During his time in service, Frank earned among others, the Air Medal, The Purple Heart, The US Prisoner of War Medal and the European Campaign Ribbon.

Dans cette carte blanche réalisée en partenariat entre Canal B et les Champs Libres, une personnalité du monde des arts et du spectacle se promène au deuxième étage de la Bibliothèque des Champs Libres et nous rapporte quelques CDs, livres et DVDs qui l'ont marqué. L'invité de ce 5è numéro est Antoine Philias, jeune écrivain Rennais et par ailleurs animateur de l'émission Tri Sélectif sur Canal B. Au micro de Yann Barbotin, il parle de quelques-uns de ses films et écrivains préférés et, bien sûr, nous régale d'une riche sélection musicale. Il présente également son dernier roman en date, "Plexiglas" paru chez Asphalte en août dernier. Antoine Philias fait partie des auteurs invités de Jardins d'hiver 2024, le festival littéraire des Champs Libres.

Difficulty with unexpected changes or routine disruptions is a pivotal part of being Autistic and even small changes can result in a surge of irritation. In regards to routine or plan changes, Dr. Neff described her feelings as an Autistic person: "Once I'm, like, emotionally checked out of something, I'm out." Patrick Casale shared his experience saying that it's very hard to get back into a place where he feels mentally regulated, and he just gets very irritated, very easily. In this episode, Dr. Megan Anna Neff and Patrick Casale, both AuDHDer mental health professionals, share their own struggles, experiences, and feelings around routine disruptions, being over- or under-stimulated in day-to-day life, and learning to better understand their reactions to small and big changes through the lens of their diagnosis. Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode: Understand the challenges faced by ADHDers and Autistic people when it comes to sensory stimulation and emotional regulation. Identify the difference between Autistic-ADHDers and pure Autistic people around routine disruption and routine changes. Learn strategies to cope and self-soothe emotions such as anxiety caused by routine disruption. It can at times feel frustrating or shameful for Autistic people to experience strong emotions or feel upset by what others see as seemingly insignificant things. However, by recognizing these feelings and understanding that they are part of our neurodivergent nature, we can help combat self-criticism and better advocate for our needs.   Transcript PATRICK CASALE: Hey, everyone, you are listening to the Divergent Conversations Podcast. We are two neurodivergent mental health professionals in a neurotypical world. I'm Patrick Casale. MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff. PATRICK CASALE: And during these episodes, we do talk about sensitive subjects, mental health, and there are some conversations that can certainly feel a bit overwhelming. So, we do just want to use that disclosure and disclaimer before jumping in. And thanks for listening. MEGAN NEFF: Patrick, you just asked if I could start it off and now I'm trying to remember the script of how we start. But maybe [CROSSTALK 00:00:39]- PATRICK CASALE: No, no. We don't need a script because we already recorded it. MEGAN NEFF: Okay. So, here's a tale of how I am. We've recorded several episodes and this is the first one where I'm sitting. So, to me, that's a to tell, like, I know, I'm not feeling well. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, usually, you're kind of standing [CROSSTALK 00:00:26]- MEGAN NEFF: Like, usually, I'm standing, I'm moving. Today. I'm like, sitting. I have all the weight on me which means I'm also overheating. Do you ever do that where it's like, you want weight but then, you're overheating? PATRICK CASALE: Yep. MEGAN NEFF: So, I'll probably be, like, sweating through today's episode because I want the weight. PATRICK CASALE: Megan is not feeling well, so let's give her a lot of credit for being here. MEGAN NEFF: No, I did something kind of mean to you today that I would have hated if it was the opposite. I texted you and I was like, "Hey, can we skip recording because I'm not feeling well." And then, I was going to try to get some more sleep, and then, I texted you, and I was like, "Never mind, let's record." Which I sort of like schedule change once I'm like, emotionally checked out or something I'm like out. So, I don't know, I'm just curious. PATRICK CASALE: Thanks for that, yeah. Yeah, I was emotionally checked out because I had a podcast before this that I was doing with someone else. And then, I was like, "Oh, my day is done. Like, I'm just going to go eat lunch." And then, I don't look at my phone when I'm podcasting, obviously. And then, like, I looked at it, and I was like, "Oh, shit, we can record." So, I wanted to because I've been away, it helps us get back in a groove, and like, we're running out of episodes. So, I was like, "I'm just going to switch my brain around and task switch." And just feels, at first, a little disorienting, you know? Because like, you're like, I was going to go outside, and yell at my dogs to come inside, figure that out, that whole situation out, yeah. MEGAN NEFF: And then you saw my text like five minutes before 9:00 or 12:00 your time. So, yeah, like this is a pivotal part about being autistic, is difficulty with unexpected change or routine disruption. I know I experience a lot of things around this. We haven't really talked about that before, though. Like, yeah, do you, like, I think I would have felt a surge of irritation. Were you irritated or something? PATRICK CASALE: No. MEGAN NEFF: Or maybe not with me, but with the routine change? PATRICK CASALE: Actually, in some instances, I think, in situations like that I probably would be irritated. I'm not irritated at all. I actually was like because I don't have a lot to do today, the only two things on my schedule were to do this other podcast, and then, do this. So, it actually doesn't feel that disruptive to me because I had already in my mind, like, committed to it, you know what I mean? So, it wasn't that easy to switch back to a place where I was like, "Yeah, okay, we're doing this." So… MEGAN NEFF: Okay, yeah. In general, like, because I also think this is different for, like, autistic ADHDers than pure autistic people, like routine disruption, routine changes. In general, like, what has your experience around those things been? PATRICK CASALE: I do think it's challenging. You know, when you're kind of already, you're assuming or you've committed that mental energy to something happening, right? Or participating in something, or committing to something, in general, and then, all of a sudden something switches, or something comes up, or someone cancels, or whatever the case may be, it's very challenging to then get back on track to say, like, okay, I can just move on to the next thing I was supposed to do. For me, a lot of the times it looks like, I end up falling into a place of like nothingness, which is basically binge-watching shows or doom-scrolling on my phone. Like, I can't actually then say, "Oh, I have to also do this errand or do this thing." It's very challenging for me. I don't know about your own experience in that. MEGAN NEFF: So, wait, just so I'm tracking, like you collapse into doom scrolling when there is a routine disruption? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. So, like, it's really hard for me to then say, "Okay, we're not doing this meeting, now what do I do?" It's hard for me to switch to something else. MEGAN NEFF: To something else? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yes, it's always been challenging. And I can get irritated for sure if something goes awry, gets canceled, whatever the case may be. So, I mean, honestly, I happen to travel constantly, where flights get delayed, canceled, things get moved around, and it's very hard for me to then get back into a place mentally where I feel regulated. I will just get very, very irritated very easily. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. No, same. And I think this is one of the sources I see of internalized shame for a lot of autistic people and myself included. Like, before I knew I was autistic little things, like, change, and it could be a subtle change of plan like maybe a friend invites another friend to a social event, but I didn't know that that other person was going to be there. So, it could also be like little social differences of expectations and I would get so irritated. But I'm a people pleaser, right? So, I would do my best not to show it so it just simmer, and then, a narrative would start around like, why are you frustrated by this? This is so silly, this is so petty, this is no big deal. So, then, the whole shame narrative around why am I so upset by something so small kicks in. And I see that a lot with autistic people where like little changes to routine can cause big emotions and irritation, but it's like our rational mind knows that's not rational, so then, we can get pretty down on ourselves for having those emotions, especially, before we understand that it's part of being autistic and it actually makes sense. PATRICK CASALE: So, when that's happening to you, like, you know, you're going out with a friend and then, all of a sudden so and so is also there, and you're having that disruption, and you're saying, "I'm a people pleaser, so I'm going to go along with this." What's happening, like in the moment for you while you're there? Are you kind of checked out from this [CROSSTALK 00:07:10]- MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I think my way of responding is kind of like low-grade dissociating. So, I'm checked out, and then, that's what I call my, if I can say the word, Plexiglas, Plexiglas, how do you say that word? PATRICK CASALE: You said it right the first time, Plexiglas, yeah. MEGAN NEFF: Plexiglas moments of like, I'll be there, but I won't be there. Like, I won't emotionally be there. And I'll be like, "Why can't I get into this experience? Why can't I be here? Why can't I get out of my head?" And so, those are the situations, yeah, where I'm there, but I'm not there. I'm not there emotionally, I'm not there, like, I don't feel present. PATRICK CASALE: Does it ever come out where like, maybe you become short in your responses or kind of like the irritation, or frustration shows through the interaction? MEGAN NEFF: Like, probably not with friends, but maybe with family, like people, I feel a little bit closest to or I am thinking, you know there was a group project I did back in my doctoral program, and there were some, I really didn't like this project because it involved like interviewing a family. It was a family therapy class, but like, it means you had to ask a family to like do something that, I don't like making social asks of people, I think, because I don't like when people make social asks of me. So, there's a friend of mine, the family, and we were interviewing them, and the person I was going to interview with them, like, the co-interview swapped, were a group of three, and they decided to swap places. And I, like, had all kinds of feelings around that. And I think I was trying to make some logical argument for why it shouldn't be swapped. So, it'd be an example where like, I think I behaved low-key irrationally, and was way more upset than made sense by the swap of like, who was going with me to interview the family. And it was because it was a unexpected change. And so, that would be the other thing, I think, okay, I'm thinking on the spot here. When I would become irritated by an unexpected change I would try to figure out why it made sense I was irritated and it's like I would come up with reasons to justify my irritation, if that makes sense. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. MEGAN NEFF: But then I'd be, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: It's almost like a way to kind of soothe yourself, too, right? To like give yourself permission to feel the way that you're feeling. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, exactly. PATRICK CASALE: I know and- MEGAN NEFF: Then can look like looking for things in the other person to be upset by. PATRICK CASALE: Right. Yeah, that's really true. I know when I've been in social situations, like kind of like what you're describing I will also have that Plexiglas-like moment where I will basically be non-existent. Like, in physical form I'm certainly sitting there, right? But like I'm not contributing to the conversation. If I am it's like, very much from a distance or like disconnected from it, and not really feeling involved in it, and then, trying to figure out ways to leave it. And then, you are, like you said, having that internal dialogue, trying to figure out like why you're feeling the way that you're feeling? And almost, yeah, absolutely shaming and beating yourself up for it, and just being like, why are you so upset by something so insignificant? And trying to figure out the why behind that as we so often try to do, it's really a frustrating experience because you're almost trying to talk yourself out of feeling the way that you're feeling, but you can't get to that place, you just kind of get back to a place of like, regulation, and then, all of a sudden, everything is out of whack, and you almost beat the hell out of yourself mentally because it feels like it's something so small that caused such a major disruption. MEGAN NEFF: Well, and it can be small. Like, what I did to you this morning, if that happened where… and partly, for me, I feel a lot of relief when things get canceled. I think that's my demand avoidance. So, someone canceled on me, and then, they were like, "Just kidding, I could meet." Like, yeah, to most people that's small, but like that would actually cause, I don't want to say significant irritation because again, I don't think the person would see it, but it would cause irritation, and then, I would do all of the things to talk myself down, and then, I'd be irritated that I was irritated. Like, that secondary emotion. So, yeah, it can be really small things that causes big emotional spikes. This is one of the places that I think identification and diagnosis is so helpful. Like, this, I see be a big aha moment for a lot of people. I think, for anyone, it's helpful to know why we're feeling what we're feeling. I think, especially, for autistic people it's really important. It helps, you know, there's all these cheesy things in psychology, but they're not cheesy because they're also like really true, like, name it to tame it or name it to contain it. Like, when we have a name for something it's more contained. And so, this is where, I call it free-floating anxiety, like free-floating routine disruption anxiety. And I often find with people that I'm working with, if they're anxious, and they don't understand why, and we kind of start exploring, we can typically trace it back to some sort of routine disruption. And just having that language of free-floating, like anxiety from routine disruption I know for me has been really helpful the last couple of years. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And I do think that's why diagnosis is so important in so many ways because it allows you to almost give language to something that you're searching for. And it allows you to have clarity into a why and I think so often, like, for deep thinkers, and for a lot of autistic people, like, we're questioning everything, and trying to figure out the meaning of everything. It gives some relief in a way to say like, "Okay, this is why." That doesn't always change what's happening behind the scenes, but at least it gives you some comfort or understanding into this is why. Like, okay, I'm losing myself and what I'm trying to say, I think for myself- MEGAN NEFF: Like, that happens for autistic ADHDers? PATRICK CASALE: Like, for ourselves, like, we've talked about this, being mental health professionals gives us a different lens than a lot of people into our own inner world, which is unique. And I think for myself, like, questioning the why as it's happening, and then, associating it to being like, oh, it's because I'm autistic a lot of the times is actually like, it doesn't solve how I'm feeling or anything like that, but it gives me some understanding on a different level that I didn't have before because it almost is like permission to be like, oh, like I'm feeling the way I'm feeling because I'm autistic. It's giving me permission to feel the way I'm feeling in a lot of different ways. MEGAN NEFF: I love that. Someone needs to work that into a hashtag, like diagnosing autism, like permission to feel the way you're feeling, and ADHD. It's interesting, I noticed you and I talk a lot more about autism and ADHD in this podcast. PATRICK CASALE: Just mind melded on that for sure because that's exactly what I was just thinking as we're talking, yeah. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely. I do the same thing of now I'm able to be like, oh, that's my autism or that's my ADHD whereas before what I was left with is character-based labels like I'm messy, or I'm… actually, lazy wasn't, that's not been one for me, but like I'm too much, or I'm… definitely some of my self-talk was, and a lot of these are words that wouldn't be appropriate, but I'm just sharing my self-talk. Like, you're an idiot or you're incompetent. Like, a lot of really negative judgments I was making about myself that I now have a different framework for. It's actually interesting just yesterday, so I have like three sets of AirPods because I use them all the time for my work. And then, I lose them all the time because of my ADHD. And I was going into an afternoon of sessions, and I was looking for one of my three sets of AirPods. I've actually lost most of them by now, and I find my phone, and the most recent location was a park, that adventure with my son over the weekend playing tennis, which made me realize, I realized, oh, they're in a vest jacket. I'm like walking you through the process of finding my AirPods, what is happening? Anyways, I had washed them because I put them in a vest when I was playing tennis and I washed them. And either scenario was equally likely that I would have lost them or I would have washed them. And my spouse he was like, "Do you want me to order you a few other pairs." And I was like, "Yes, thank you." It was really interesting. He was like, "You know, a couple years ago this sort of thing, like, would have really irritated me. And now I'm just like, 'Yep, that's her brain.'" And we've had probably like 10 interactions like that, especially, as we're moving right now, of where I've lost things, or misplaced things, or broken things, where he's also able to reflect how earlier in our marriage that would have caused him a lot of emotion and now he's able to see it as part of how my brain works. PATRICK CASALE: That's such a great perspective from both sides. Like, it sounds like for you it's almost like permission or acceptance of, "Oh, that's my ADHD, I lost them again, and that's my reality." And for him, it's like, "This is how Megan's brain works and this is going to happen." And I think that's so interesting, as you learn more about yourself, as you learn more about your neurodivergence. It also helps your neurotypical [CROSSTALK 00:17:28]. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, like, it's weird all my kids are very neurodivergent, I'm very neurodivergent, and like, we refer to him as like the boring neurotypical, and we're like, "Oh, you poor thing. Like, you don't have any fun flavors with you." PATRICK CASALE: Right and he's like, "Yeah, and I've also never lost my AirPods, so [CROSSTALK 00:17:47]-" MEGAN NEFF: Also like, he, and okay, sorry, can I diverge, and then, we'll go back to him? PATRICK CASALE: We can always diverge, yes. MEGAN NEFF: Someone asked me this and I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I should add this to my…" Like, you know how sometimes, especially, in training we like list our privileged identities as a way of thinking through our privileges. Like, I should list as a privileged identity that I'm married to someone who has really good executive functioning skills. And someone asked me that, they were like, "Do you…" Because they were wondering how I'm as productive as I am? And they're like, "Is it okay if I ask? Like, does your…" I think they asked, like, "Is your partner neurotypical?" And it was a really interesting aha moment of they are and I borrow his executive functioning all the time. That's been a joke long before we realized I was autistic ADHD, was how much I borrowed his executive functioning and the kids will say it like, "If dad died we'd fall apart." And it's kind of true, like… PATRICK CASALE: Shout out to dad. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: This is going to be the type of episode today is… So, here's an interesting thing for me that I'm realizing as we're processing what's happening right now when my executive functioning is diminished because I'm usually the one who is like orderly, and structured, and like turning things back, my brain cannot do that where I'm like, "Wait, what is happening?" It's almost like this fugue state where I just know that I'm running on very little sleep, and jet lag, and travel transition. So, my brain is just not functioning as optimally as I would like it, too. And I notice how much effort it takes to then do A, B, C, D, and E in comparison to where like, most of the time some of these, like, or structuring, and conversation, and task switching are actually quite easy for me. MEGAN NEFF: So, you're feeling the executive functioning low today? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I didn't sleep not last night, the night before. Like, woke up at 4:00 AM and complete overwhelm, panic. MEGAN NEFF: Wait, was this is after you got home that you woke up at 4:00 AM and panicked? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Panic attack/meltdown while laying in bed trying to figure out how to get myself back to sleep. MEGAN NEFF: Was the panic attack because you weren't sleeping or? PATRICK CASALE: No, it was all existential crisis/like, what am I doing with my life, nothing is successful, everything is about to crumble mentality which- MEGAN NEFF: Wait. PATRICK CASALE: …yeah, there's no rationale there. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I didn't know you were prone to existential crisis. PATRICK CASALE: I feel like I am in existential crisis every moment of every day. I think that is like my natural state is questioning my purpose, and what I'm doing, and does it feel fulfilling, and is everything about to collapse? Then I started thinking… my brain is diverging a lot right now, then I started thinking about like death and dying, and like shortness on the planet, and it just really intensifies, which I notice like when I say my brain is about to diverge, and like this is all happening I'm much more in my ADHD state right now than my autistic self. So, it's very interesting for me. MEGAN NEFF: Is your existential self like more connected to one of those parts? PATRICK CASALE: That is a good question. I think that my existential self is connected more to the ADHD side. I really think that it's like about the creativity, and the romanticizing. And when that part is not feeling fulfillment, or it's feeling like things are not in alignment, everything starts to feel very fragmented, and disjointed and falls apart. So, I ended up at a coffee shop yesterday at 7:00 AM doing work so I could satisfy my autistic side of crossing things off lists and being like, done, done, done, and I had three coffees by 8:00 AM. And I was like, "Oh my fucking God, today is going to be a nightmare." Yeah. MEGAN NEFF: So, this is kind of different than existential crisis, I definitely have those too. But when you talked about the ADHD self you reminded me of it. I don't know if I've shared this on this podcast before, but I often talk about it as the Goldilocks of stimulus. And I feel it so deeply. Like, I've seen, like, if I'm under, okay, if I'm overstimulated, which I am a lot it's too much. But if I'm understimulated, I'm really discontent. And if I look back to the times in my life where I've had, like, just intense discontentment, and some of the questions you're describing of like, what am I doing with my life? Is it meaningful? What new, like, trip can I play on? Or can I plan another move? It's one of understimulated. And I think that is one of the pain pieces of being an autistic ADHDer, particularly, is yeah, like, I'm picturing just like a thin sheet of ice, which is our ideal window of stimulus. And it's a very, I would imagine, for a lot of us, it's a very narrow window when we're in our ideal stimulus. PATRICK CASALE: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:23:22] being understimulated for the ADHD [INDISCERNIBLE 00:23:27] and how much disruption that causes the autistic side. And it's so challenging. It feels like this tug of war constantly of like, under-stemmed verse over-stemmed, and trying to desperately find that thin sheet of ice that you seemingly only have access to, like one hour of your life every month, that might be an exaggeration, but that's often how it feels. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I mean, I think that's why hyper-focus feels so good to me, is I'm typically hyper-focused with a weighted blanket on my lap, at home. Like, my environment is sensory soothing, and then, the creativity of creating something is typically enough stimulus for me. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, so that for you is like that perfection, that zone where it just feels like this is as comfortable as I can be. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. I so often I'm seeking that, you know? And I don't know, sorry, my Basset Hound is like laying on my cord about to rip my sound system out, and no care in the world about how that was feeling to her. Yeah, so often I'm seeking that and I think that's really a struggle for me of feeling like where can I really feel comfortable? Where do I feel comfortable? And I do feel comfortable, like you're mentioning when I'm in creation mode when I'm in hyper-focus mode. That is a comfort place, for me. And I think so often I'm like, trying to force myself back to that place when I can't access it, and that's where things get really, really chaotic and disrupted. MEGAN NEFF: When you can't access creativity, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Mm-hmm (affirmative.) MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I mean, I think that's when, and I know we're going to do an episode on it, and we keep saying that, so we probably should do an episode, like substances. I think that's when we're really vulnerable to substances of like the liquid dopamine or when we don't have access to creativity, looking for, like that, I would call it faux ideal stimulus window through chemicals and substances. PATRICK CASALE: All right, y'all, this is us holding ourselves accountable that we are going to do an episode on substances because I think it's just so, so important, and you know, has a major impact on my life still, to this day, where I, unfortunately, still so often have to rely on alcohol for so many things and caffeine, too. But, yeah, I think that is what I was feeling and experiencing. Now, my Basset Hound just got up and knocked my garbage over and is just yawning like she didn't do anything, just a clumsy, like, large mammal. But I do think that was a struggle. I think I've come out of that after, you know, what ended up happening, if I can walk you through this process at 4:00 AM was that I had to then start putting, I was feeling very overwhelmed by all the to-dos, as well of like, the different segments of my life. So, I had to really compartmentalize because I was feeling like I was going to lose track of everything. And what I had to do was start making to-do lists for my group practice, for my other business, for my podcast, for my retreats coming up, for something else, so I had to start putting everything in its place to soothe my brain because my brain was so overwhelmed at that point where I was just really struggling. And I mean, yeah, those days are challenging. They're thankfully not, they're few and far between. But those days are challenging. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And to-do lists are so containing. Like, in middle school and high school, I'd sit in class, not paying attention, making to-do lists, just to organize the chaos. And I actually had this thought about you this week, Patrick. Like, people tell me I do a lot, and it's true, I do. But like, I don't think I do nearly as much as like, yeah, I honestly don't understand how you do it between the podcasts, and the retreats, and like owning a whole group practice. I could never, never do that. Yeah, you have a lot on your plate. PATRICK CASALE: Thanks. I think, one, thank God I have good support in those businesses and two, I don't have kids, you know? So, I give you credit, too because so often we often overlook, like, people will say that to me, "How do you do so much? How do you create so much?" You know, and I'm like, "I don't have any children I don't have anything to do. I'm just like working. You know, like, if I'm not playing soccer or socializing, I'm just working." So, it's a good and bad thing. I think my capacity can often get me into trouble because it's like, okay, in one instance, when you're feeling really creative, and you're feeling really hyper-focused, and you're feeling really energized, my capacity is like a massive, massive asset for me. But the flip side of that, of having that capacity is that now you have all of these things start to unravel, or that you have to maintain, or that you have to do for the week. And I've created that for myself, it's difficult sometimes. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this on your, this might have been one of our first conversations on Private Practice Podcast, like how our ADHD parts will create projects, and then, like our autistic part will have to maintain. I've been feeling that. Okay, another episode we should do at some point is like health and autism. So, again, diverging here, I got COVID in 2020, like March of 2020, the month interrupted, and my autistic child and I got lung COVID, and the two non-autistic people in our family did not. And I'm seeing that lung COVID is a lot more common among autistic people. This spring, pretty sure we got the newest variant. We were testing negative but like, I'm pretty sure it's COVID. And then, my child and my lung COVID has come back. So, I think the last like six or seven episodes we've recorded I've been sick. So, I'm feeling that right now of like, I've committed to making a workbook once a month, I'm writing a book in four months for Simon and Schuster, which I'll maybe talk about at some point. So, I'm in the middle of like a really fast manuscript, we're moving, and I'm feeling that right now. Like, I don't have any energy reserves to give, but I've committed to all these things. And for me, it's less about ADHD or autism, I think it's more about the health stuff that's come up for me because usually, summer is my most productive time of year. And so, now, I feel like it's getting robbed by lung COVID. PATRICK CASALE: Which is a thing that I imagine brings up some emotion too, of like feeling robbed. I also can relate to the summer being very productive for me, and in more ways than one, not just professionally, I feel like I'm my best self in the summer and the fall. And I feel like I'm almost hibernating the rest of the year. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, same. PATRICK CASALE: Like recharging, you know? Like, and just trying to replenish. It's really hard when, you know, there's nothing to pull from. And you also did mention that you also see clients and do assessments, and, you know, you may have a lot going on. MEGAN NEFF: I have put assessments on pause till I get healthy because that's a big lift. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot. Yeah, I found myself like just kind of trying to do bare minimum, which doesn't feel great to me. But there're seasons where that's all you can do. PATRICK CASALE: I think that's what I'm experiencing right now is that it may, to the outside world, feel like I'm doing a lot. But for me, it feels like bare minimuming because of throat surgery in October, I changed my life around pretty drastically. So, I think I'm at that point now where my energy is coming back but I'm not doing anything with it. Or at least I feel like I'm not doing anything with it apart from like resting in between retreats. Like, recharging every two months, or six weeks, or whatever, to be able to do another one. And then, I'm like, my rational brain's like, "But you are doing something, you're resting, you're like recharging you're, you know, doing whatever." But that's what I've been feeling, I need something to be working on. And that's what's missing in my life at the moment. MEGAN NEFF: And does it feel connected to meaning? Like, you need something meaningful to be working on? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it has to be meaningful, it can't just be like a task that I have to do, like, so, I think you can't force that, that's the struggle is like, I can't force it. I keep trying to find it. But wait, let me diverge again, this is meaningful. What you and I are doing is meaningful. MEGAN NEFF: I was literally just going to say that, like, when we decided to start this we were both so busy and we're like, this is ridiculous, and we were both looking for meaning, we were both, like, I wanted an avenue where I was more personal than I am on, like, Instagram and my website, you were looking to dive more, specifically, into autism, ADHD stuff. So, yeah, I was just associated back to one of our personal conversations about like, let's do this because it sounds like a really meaningful project. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, thank you for reminding me of that. And I was thinking about that. You know, we've been apart for a couple weeks from me traveling and not connecting via podcasting. But we're still like, attuned, which is cool because I think that's what we were seeking. Like, are we going to find our rhythm? Are we going to find our balance? You were right, this is super meaningful. And the feedback has been phenomenal. And maybe we'll do an episode where we explicitly talk about some of the feedback we've received and some of the things that y'all want us to talk about, too. Because I think that we have a lot of good topics in store and we have a lot of good topics on the list. It's just, you know, we have these topics, and then, we get together and we just start talking. In true neurodivergent fashion, we don't end up talking about them or discussing them, so we will get to them, we promise, maybe, I don't know if we promise that. MEGAN NEFF: Do you feel… so this is one of the first, I mean, I think, we've recorded once or twice since this was live. But do you feel more pressure like seeing the feedback, seeing how many downloads there are? Do you feel more pressure when we come into this space down here and we're recording? Because I remember like the first day we recorded, I like forgot it was a podcast. I was like, I'm going to have tea with my friend Patrick and have an interesting conversation that, you know, now thousands of people get to listen to. PATRICK CASALE: Damn, I wasn't thinking about that until right now. Yeah, I think so. Probably, I mean, yes and no. Like, I feel pressure to continue to create, but I feel it for, like, a good reason because I think what we're doing is valuable, and people are getting a lot out of it. So, that feels like good pressure. I think if we had sponsorship in place that would feel like a different type of pressure where you're like, because my other podcast has sponsorship in place and I do feel pressured to have constant episodes coming out because you can't really skip a week or two when you've committed to a contract of like 52 episodes in a year. So, I don't feel that pressure here. I feel the pressure of knowing that 15,000 people have listened to this podcast in less than two months. And just the fact that that means something. Like, I think that feels like a good pressure. But it also feels like a lot of weight and responsibility sometimes. What about you? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I think maybe a little bit of like pressure to say something profound in each episode or to like have a cohesive conversation, even though I think a lot of the feedback we're getting is like, "Oh, my goodness, this is like the kinds of conversations I have." So, there's probably something to the Divergent Conversations we have that is actually quite helpful. But yeah, I think a little bit to like, have it be some really meaningful poignant conversation. And reality is, like all human conversations, the conversations we have won't always be like these super aha meaningful pieces. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. And I want them to naturally manifest instead of trying to force them to. So, if there's a topic we're talking about, and then, we diverge from it, I think that's meaningful in a lot of ways because the goal with this was to highlight and showcase like in real time what autistic ADHD brains and communication are often doing, and how we're experiencing in the moment examples. So, I think, you know, that is poignant in itself. Yeah, so [CROSSTALK 00:37:01]- MEGAN NEFF: So, trying to wrap it, like, is your brain right now like, okay, we've got a lot of weaves out here. We've talked about existentialism, we've talked about, like, work, and fatigue, and sickness, we've talked about routine disruption. PATRICK CASALE: Yep.  MEGAN NEFF: Is there pressure to like, let's wrap it up in a nice, tiny bow? PATRICK CASALE: I think that's just my own pressure of like, feeling like, are we at the end without asking, are we at the end? MEGAN NEFF: You can always just ask. PATRICK CASALE: I know, one day, Megan, one day. I think we've talked about a lot of good stuff today. And I think given that you're not feeling well, and I am jet-lagged, this feels pretty good to me. And I think my brain is now vacant, so… MEGAN NEFF: Can I share one silly story before we go? So… PATRICK CASALE: Absolutely. MEGAN NEFF: I think this is an ADHD-dyslexia thing. But there's so many words that like I've just been saying my whole life that are just flat-out wrong. So, I just found out like a month ago, my husband and daughter went to England and came back. And I asked them if they were jet lagged. And I always thought it was jet leg. And they were like, "No, it's jet lag." And like, my nine-year-old was explaining this to me. I was like, "No, it's jet leg." And my son was like, "How did you think it was… Like, how does that make sense? Like, how did you think it was jet leg? Like, it's lag." And like, I don't know why that made sense for me. Probably, in the same way that like I thought for years hat hair was cat hair. When people were like, "Oh, you have hat hair." I was like, "Someone told me like, 'Oh, you have cat hair.'" So, anyways, when you say jet lag it's just a fun reminder that me and words have a fun relationship. PATRICK CASALE: Megan and words do have a fun relationship. MEGAN NEFF: Which I've been realizing as I've listened to this podcast back. PATRICK CASALE: I think I told you this, like, when you were using the word, what was it? MEGAN NEFF: Claustrophobic? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. MEGAN NEFF: Wait, how do you actually say that word? PATRICK CASALE: As long as I'm accurate in saying like, are you saying claustrophobic? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, claustrophobic. PATRICK CASALE: I think someone asked us on our Instagram page, too? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, someone who was like, because like, their voice memo wasn't picking it up. They're like, "What was this word you're saying because like my voice translator won't pick it up." So, how do you say that word? PATRICK CASALE: Claustrophobic. MEGAN NEFF: That just sounds gross to me. Like, I really prefer claustrophobic. PATRICK CASALE: So, when you're saying claustrophobic, claustrophobic, I legit, in my head, I thought, I think what Megan means is claustrophobic but I don't want to be rude and say, "Megan, are you saying a completely different word?" And for a second, I thought, I have to look up the definition of claustrophobic and see if there is a word, and if it means what she's saying because I am now believing that this is a different word and term. MEGAN NEFF: So, this was my friend at seminary and I went to Princeton Seminary, so you know, pretty like Ivy League, so pretty smart people. And one thing she told me was that I love, she was like, "You're really smart, but then when you talk in class, you'll say these words and like, because you sound smart people will like believe you, but the words don't make sense." And I think because I speak with confidence, and because, generally, I know what I'm talking about then when I totally misuse a word people are like, "Oh, maybe that is a real word." No, like it's not, it's just me and my relationship with words. PATRICK CASALE: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:40:54] like create some social media graphics of Megan's words that she's used in this podcast or just in life that come up pretty regularly. MEGAN NEFF: There's a lot. PATRICK CASALE: I like that you can laugh at it, you know? And just own it. Yeah, that's definitely what was happening for me. I was just sitting there like, what the hell is she talking about? I don't know. Maybe she's, I mean, then you convinced me that that was a word so I just never questioned it. MEGAN NEFF: Well, I was using it so confidently because in my mind that is how you say it. PATRICK CASALE: All right, y'all, if you're still with us, we appreciate it and hope you can get something out of today, and just the realization that this is what a lot of days look like, and feel like, and this is how they're experienced by two folks that are neurodivergent. So, we appreciate you listening. And to everyone listening, there are new episodes of the Divergent Conversations Podcast out every single Friday on all major platforms and YouTube. And you can like, download, subscribe, and share. And we really appreciate your support. And, goodbye.

Travel and the act of experiencing people and places is something that is generally talked about with excitement, but for Autistic people, it can be a much more complex experience. Patrick, who hosts entrepreneurial retreats for therapists all over the world and travels often for extended periods of time, shared that despite loving to travel, the experience of hosting retreats and being away from home could also feel torturous at times, like having exposed nerves that were shocked by all things sensory. When talking about travel and social interactions, Dr. Neff expressed that it "feels like the decision is to have a really small life or to lean into experiences, but to be constantly confronted with the too-muchness of the world." In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, both AuDHD mental health professionals, share their diverse experiences and feelings about travel, social interactions, and sensory overload. Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode: Understand the challenges and experiences of neurodivergent individuals while traveling and in stimulating social spaces. Identify ways that travel can provide positive stimulation for Autistic individuals through new experiences. Learn ways to manage and do self-care and self-advocacy when feeling sensory overload during travel. Travel and social situations can be challenging for neurodivergent individuals, but through vulnerability and a commitment to self-care, it is possible to find strength and joy in the pursuit of exploring new places and experiences.   Transcript PATRICK CASALE: Hey everyone, you're listening to another episode of Divergent Conversations. I'm your cohost, Patrick Casale. DR. MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff. PATRICK CASALE: And today we are going to talk about traveling and our neurodiverse experiences while traveling. I just got back from 30 days in Europe and work retreat mode. And I know you and I were talking on Instagram a lot about what the experience was like, and how I was showing up, and impacted. And it was a lot. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. It's interesting because, you know, from the Instagram messaging we were doing, I could tell, like, the drain that you were experiencing over there, and I'd love to hear more, like, in person, well, in Zoom person, what your experience was of traveling. I know you love traveling, and we've talked about that before, but I also got the sense that this trip… I don't know, was this trip different for you? PATRICK CASALE: It was really testing for a lot of reasons, you know? Like, 30 days abroad, away from home, away from my partner, and my dogs, and my bed. Like, those things, I think, would be challenging for anybody in a lot of ways. I think the things that were like, really evident for me and really challenging for me was, one, I traveling with a friend and business partner. So, like, I did feel- DR. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, the whole time?  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, the whole 30 days. So, I felt like a lot- DR. MEGAN NEFF: My daughter and I were just talking about this, about how, like, being alone versus being with someone else you're tracking makes a world of difference. I thought you were alone. I didn't realize you were with someone. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. So, tell me a little bit about what came up when you and your daughter were talking about this? Because I'm sure it's very relatable and similar to what I was experiencing. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. My husband had taken them to Olive Garden, which is their, like, favorite restaurant. And I, typically, don't go. And it's kind of a sweet moment, my daughter had just had a meltdown, and was having a lot of kind of shame around that. And I was, like, reminding her, like, you know, this is your body having a response, this is outside of your control.  And she was asking me about, like, meltdowns. I was like, "I have more shutdowns." And I was like, "You know, that's, like, why I didn't go to the restaurant with you all because I know, like, I wouldn't be there." And so, we were talking about shutdowns, and then we were talking about how… she's like, "Yeah, you know, I noticed it's easier for me to be in public or to be like…" She's like, "That's what I liked when I wasn't in person schools, is I only had to track myself. I wasn't tracking, like, what my brother was doing, or you, or dad." And I was just relating to that. Like, yeah, like, it's so much easier for me to travel alone, to go to a coffee shop alone, just to be in the world alone. When I'm tracking my children, when I'm tracking my dog, when I'm tracking my spouse, it's too much. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and it's multi-faceted, right? Like, that's very layered. Like, there's a tracking, I imagine as a parent, where it's like, this is kind of my responsibility to track, and then, like, the tracking that goes on when we're constantly tracking body language, and absorbing energy, and just responding to, and kind of almost like anticipating, and trying to attune, and trying to be connected, and trying to respond appropriately, and all the things that go into relational dynamics.  DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it was so hard in so many ways. But I think I anticipated that. Like I knew going in like, this is not going to be an easy 30 days. Like, for most people on the outside looking in, if you're saying like, "Oh, I'm traveling from Greece to Italy, to Spain, to Portugal." People are like, "That's fucking amazing." And I don't want to discount that either because there were amazing moments. But man, it was just constant tracking, and energy absorption, and overwhelm. And you're talking like planes, trains, automobiles situation where you're living out of a suitcase, you can't get settled. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, that's a ton of transitions you did in 30 days.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, we stayed in 10 different rentals in that 30-day [CROSSTALK 00:04:24], in four different countries. So- DR. MEGAN NEFF: Is that how you typically travel?  PATRICK CASALE: No, this was very specific because we were there to host a retreat in Spain at the end of April, but we were also there to find venues for 2024, retreat destinations, and confirmations. So, we were meeting with, like, hotel managers, and venue hosts, and [CROSSTALK 00:04:52]- DR. MEGAN NEFF: And see your people then as well. PATRICK CASALE: …and peopling all the time. So, it was like going on tours to not only, like, highlight this is what we're going to do when all of you come here next year, but also, to meet people, and build connections. And so, it was constant.  And I found myself significantly more quiet than I usually am. And I'm usually quiet in general, and then, feeling really disconnected, and also just like, really having to be very intentional about energy. So, there were days where I was like, I'm not peopling today and I would tell my friend, "I can't commit to what we're going to do tomorrow, I'm just going to stay in the Airbnb."  There was a night at the retreat in Spain where I was just over it. Like, we had gone to Barcelona. There was a group of 32 of us and I was very often, like, the one who was like tracking, but also for safety purposes, like, making sure we have our group, making sure everyone's together, like all the things in a very, very crowded, overstimulating city in Barcelona, with people everywhere.  And, you know, I just was like, I got back to the venue that night, and they were getting ready for dinner. And I was like, "I'm going back to our Airbnb. Like, I'm just going to walk down the hill, go into my room, watch Netflix, like, not do this thing." And thankfully, having the ability to do that was an option, but holy shit, a lot. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, that, like, I feel kind of overwhelmed just hearing about all your… Like, I knew you were looking at retreat sites, but I guess I didn't think through kind of the logistics of how much transitions, and peopling, and yeah, that wasn't really a vacation, huh? PATRICK CASALE: No, not at all. I don't think we had many restorative, like, relaxing days. And it's a matter of, like, being on the go then having to attend to someone else, and attune to someone else, and track someone else when I wanted to just be alone, and just be like, I don't want to talk to anybody.  And I will say my friend and business partner did a great job of acknowledging like, I can tell this is where your energy is, and I'm not going to push that. And that was helpful. But there were definitely days where I was rendered pretty, like, unable to do anything besides get out of bed, and like eat, and take care of my basic needs.  And for me, I think that brings up a lot of shamefulness still to this day, where I'm like, "Why can't I push through this?" And it's really nothing to push through, it's like you're overstimulated, and you need to really ground and regulate. And I think that, for me, it still brings up some psychological and emotional like thought processes and experiences where I'm like, "Why can't you just fucking do this? Like, why can't you get up and go have this good time with this group." And I'm like, "I can't do it. There's no way I can do that." And asking for what you need in these moments is crucial, but I know it's also challenging for a lot of people as well. DR. MEGAN NEFF: That experience right there, that moment of like, why can't you just push through this and like, go enjoy this group, I feel like now I understand it. But before I knew I was autistic, I would have that experience so much. It's what I called years ago, with my therapist, before I knew I was autistic, the Plexiglas of like, I cannot get into my experience.  And I'd be in these, whether I was at a family gathering, or especially, like an extended family vacation, or a social gathering, or a group dinner. Like, I would be sitting there in my head being like, "Get into this experience, get into it, get into it, get into it." And unable to. And I'd have so much confusion around why I kind of get into my experience, so much shame around it. I would start, like, doubting kind of my key relationships of, does this mean there's something wrong with my relationship, that I can't be in this experience?  But that to me, that kind of when the body puts the brakes on, and it's like, no, like, you're staying in bed today or like you just can't go do that group thing, like you were talking about that experience in that hotel, to me that is like one of those grief moments when I talk about grieving my autism. Like, that is a moment where I grieve being autistic. Those are fucking painful. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, they're really fucking painful. And in your moments, like, your body is then saying, like, having that like, "Finally, like, this is what I needed." But your brain is not saying that to you when you're laying in bed and trying to like recover. What my brain is saying is like, "How can you trick your body into continuing to push through even you don't have anything [CROSSTALK 00:09:48]." DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. How can you bypass this thing your body's doing? Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, exactly. Like, how can I do these, like, mental gymnastics of, "Oh, it's okay." Because you're going to, like, fuel up on caffeine, or like, you're going to, like, numb out on alcohol. And that's how you're going [CROSSTALK 00:10:05]. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, the two options, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah.  DR. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, gosh.  PATRICK CASALE: And, you know, I definitely paid attention to that throughout the 30 days, like, well, you drank a lot in 30 days. And I thought, if I didn't, in those moments, like, it would have felt so overwhelmingly terrible to feel that constant buzz of like anxiety, and tension, and like, constant overwhelm. It was almost [INDISCERNIBLE 00:10:31] and I know we're going to have to do an episode on substance use at some point, but- DR. MEGAN NEFF: I was literally just thinking that. I was like, we've got to talk about alcohol.  PATRICK CASALE: Yep, but it was challenging. And, you know, as someone who hosts these events, I will find myself defaulting to like, movement, you know, which is like, cleaning up after 30 people. Like [CROSSTALK 00:10:53]- DR. MEGAN NEFF: Oh my gosh, yeah, that is always my… partly it gives you a role. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah and it's allowing you to like, just be in motion, you know? And not having to talk or process what's happening, which further creates exhaustion and exacerbation in your body because your body is like… And what I was noticing and I wanted to message you this while I was noticing it was like, everything was intensified, right? So, like, the throbbing of your feet is intensified, the pain in your back is intensified, your frustration tolerance and irritability are massively intensified, everything's heightened.  And my friend said it to me one day in like one of our last days in Portugal when I was describing, like, how torturous this experience feels like because she's neurotypical, and she's like, waking up bubbly every day. And I'm like, "How the fuck do people do this, first of all?" And she was like, "It sounds like your experience in life is like a open nerve ending that is just being, like, shocked all the time by everything." I was like, "Yeah, that feels pretty freaking accurate."  DR. MEGAN NEFF: That's so interesting. So, again, before I had the autism, the way I used to describe my daughter was as if her nervous system was on the outside of her skin, like just a live wire of nerves. And there is something that so viscerally captures the artistic experience with that idea of an open nerve. Yeah, that feels really relatable. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and I think, like, once you're able to, like, relate to that, and kind of create that picture for somebody else who doesn't get it, it offers a lot of, like, insight into what day-to-day is. But I think, again, circling back to what you said about that grief is that creates an enormous amount of grief because there's no protective like armor that you're putting on and when you have to go out into the world, so it's one of those things where in that moment when you're like, Yeah, that does describe my experience, that is how it feels. And then, my brain's like, "What is the alternative?" DR. MEGAN NEFF: My life. PATRICK CASALE: My life. DR. MEGAN NEFF: I rarely leave my house, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I could get emotional talking about this. Like, it does feel like the decision is to have a really small life or to lean into experiences but to be constantly confronted with the too-muchness of the world. I don't like either option. But that's kind of what we have. PATRICK CASALE: I can feel like emotion for you knowing that our worlds are vastly different in terms of how we're experiencing them. And I think you're right, there's no middle ground here. Is there? Like, I don't know who's found it? I would like to know. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, and I guess, now, my, like, I don't know if it's guilt or my protective instincts are coming in of like, I'm sure there's a middle ground, and I'm sure that's my all or nothing thinking saying like we've got two terrible options here. I think there is, I think nature actually provides a middle ground. Like, the one place I can go outside my home and feel restored in nature.  And I'm Oregon, so whether that's the coast or I live near a forest, so going on walks in the forest. And it not only doesn't take… I mean, yeah, it's the one place I can go out in the world and it recharges me.  And so, I think nature and green space can be that sort of in between space or like for me, I can't really do restaurants but if I'm eating outside at a restaurant that works so the outdoors. I really live in the wrong state. I mean, it rains, like six months out of the year here. Ever since we got married I've been asking my spouse like, "Can we move to California? I miss the sunshine." PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, that's fair. I think that's a good point, like nature is a good middle ground, such a good regulatory place for people and grounding space. I think that's what was challenging is like, big city, followed by train/planes/chaos of airport or train station. And then like, having to show up, and do the agenda, or the itinerary, or meet with the tour guide, or this person, and like, one I hate being boxed in by fucking scheduling. And that just creates even more immense pressure, I think. But ultimately, it also is just so tiring, like, for any human being, but it was just unbelievably overstimulating. And I just felt so overwhelmed throughout those 30 days.  And before I left, I told my therapist, I said, "I know these 30 days are going to be really fucking hard, and here's what I would like my goal to be, is that I would like to go into it knowing that most days are going to be a challenge. But I would also like to somehow be able to acknowledge the little things, like the beautiful scenery that I get to see, and the good food, and the good conversations that come up with random people that I meet, and I'd like to be able to have both exist and be true." And I do think that was captured because although I would say the extent of the 30 days was unbelievably overwhelming, and I don't think I could ever put myself through another 30 days like that, there were good moments, too. There were definitely moments that I can anchor into, and remember. And I think that's the way that I can get through those experiences is to acknowledge like, all right, this sucked, but one glimpse of like, positivity, and solid connection, and food that was good, or like beautiful stuff. And I think that was helpful for me, for sure. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that ability to hold the both ends and to intentionally be like bringing into mind the sensory pleasurable moments and the delight. Yeah, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Such a therapist way of thinking, too. Like [CROSSTALK 00:17:36]- DR. MEGAN NEFF: It really is, yeah, yeah. I'm doing… in a couple months, my workbook on gratitude. So, I've been diving into the gratitude research of it. It's been a good reminder of like, yeah, like, what we're priming our brains to see, like, we will see, and the power of that. I'm kind of diverging, I guess, it's literally called Divergent Conversations. So, I guess I don't need to ask permission for that.  But this idea of gratitude and sensory overload, also I'm processing as I'm talking, this doesn't always go well. But I think that's part of what makes travel for me a more okay sensory experience, is it feels like it's selective sensory overload. Like, I know I'm opting into that and I know why I'm doing it. And it's because of the value of, like, having a new experience and engaging with other cultures. Like, these are such high values for me, that I've somehow psychologically prepared for the sensory overload. And so, then when it happens, it feels like I have, like a sturdiness, psychologically, to hold that. Like, if I go to the grocery store, and I get sensory overloaded, the narrative that starts running is like, "Dammit, I can't even go to the grocery store." And then, it starts running this narrative of, like, the shame, and the grief, and the like, throwing myself a pity party for how limited my body is. But if I get sensory overloaded when I'm, you know, in Germany, with my son having an awesome experience, it's like, yeah, I signed up for this, I chose this.  So, there's a more empowering narrative that comes on my mind around it. And my travel experience last summer was a really powerful realization of, I mean, sensory overload is sensory overload, but also, and also, the narrative we tell ourselves about that sensory overload impacts our experience of that sensory overload. And that was a really powerful discovery for me after Germany of like, okay, I can handle this more than I thought I could. And just, I mean, yeah, I can use accommodations and there's some things I can do to manage sensory overload, but there's a lot of that that's outside of my control. But I can have some influence over the story I'm telling about the experience, if that makes sense. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I think that feels somewhat freeing in a way to know like, there is the ability to almost train your brain or at least prepare your brain, and strengthen it to say, like, I acknowledge that this is going to be overwhelming, but the payoff is worth in a lot of ways, too.  And I think that's what travel is for so many of us, you know? Like, this romanticized idea of like, what life can be like, but then also, it is like, new sights, new scenery, new smells, new sounds, new people. And that stuff is on the positive end of the spectrum for me, in terms of stimulation, opposed to the opposite side, where it's like, everything is just too much all the time. But you're right, if I go to the grocery store, it's a fucking nightmare for me. So, like [CROSSTALK 00:20:58]- DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, it's like the mustard was not worth that or whatever.  PATRICK CASALE: Exactly. I mean, so being able to select and, you know, you and I have talked about time, and energy, and how important these things are, and maybe that's a big part of it, too, is just the acknowledgment of the intentionality behind the planning, and the trip, and, and knowing that, yeah, it's going to be overwhelming, but here's what's important to me in life. And I know that if I'm going to spend X amount of energy, I'd rather do it doing than leaving my house to run errands or whatever the case may be. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of selective and value-based choice around… And that's, again, where, like, you know, the conversation of privilege comes back in, right? You and I both have the privilege of being able to work from home. So, some people are using all their sensory spoons on work and that's it. And then, they're coming home, they're crashing, they're waking up to an end. Before I was working from home, all my sensory spoons was going to work and I was, like, going into deficit. So, it's also, like, not always a choice for people. It's all going towards survival. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It's a great point to make, and just to remember, as well, and reframe. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting topic. But I use the platform in a lot of ways, like, one of my talks was on neurodiversity at our retreat. And that was really powerful to have 30 people sit there, and like, experience that, not only those who don't know, me or who do, but like people's spouses who came on the event, and like, speaking of folks, I thought that was really fucking cool.  So, those things energize me. So, I was trying to like, okay, if your battery is at 28%, you know, how can you give X amount of that to this talk, and then crash afterwards? So, I was trying to get permission to like, and I will say that in my talk too, like, after I'm done today I'm done.  And another thing I noticed for myself is task switching is so challenging, like, at the end of three days of this trip we went from Spain to Portugal, and the retreat was over. And I noticed as soon as the retreat was over, I was like, "I'm done. Like, why am I continuing on this fucking trip? "And I just realized, like, okay, in preparation next time, once the event is over, everything's got to come to an end because in my mind everything is now finalized and wrapped up. And I'm trying to convince myself, like, to be able to get through the next three days in a new country.  So, it was very interesting experience. And I met some people along the way. Like, I was on a food tour one night in Spain. And this woman, it was just my friend and two other people that seemed to be the gist every time we went on a tour, it was just either my friend and I, or one or two other people. Must have been shoulder season.  But after two or three hours, she looked at me and we were, like, walking across this bridge, was like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night. And she's like, "Are you autistic?" And I was like, "Hmm, strange question, but ballsy." And I was like, "Yeah." And she's like, "Oh, my daughter is two and I just noticed a lot of similarities here." And then wanted to pick my brain about a million things about how I can help her daughter.  But I thought that was very cool because like, I am trying to do everything in my power to support her and have a relationship with her, and you know, I don't know what to do, and it was just, I think, it felt like a great moment of connection to just be able to be transparent, and vulnerable, and also, offer some guidance as well, and some feedback, and support. DR. MEGAN NEFF: This happens too. That happened at the parade. Well, I think you may be self-disclosed at the parade with the kid who is, I think, autistic, ADHD. That's a really interesting… So, the idea of like, being visibly autistic, Devon Price talks about that in his book a lot as like that's a form of self-advocacy. I guess I've made some assumptions of where I wouldn't think you would be visibly autistic to where a stranger on a train would be asking, "Are you autistic?" That's really interesting to me.  Do you think you present like, what am I trying to ask? I guess I'm trying to ask, yeah, like, do you feel like you present visibly autistic? What's that experience like for you? PATRICK CASALE: I think that when I'm not in the mood to do something, I probably present pretty visibly autistic. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Through stimming or through like, in what…? PATRICK CASALE: Stimming, very short answers, not making eye contact when I respond to things. Really not… and I'm very, like when I don't want to be somewhere it's pretty well known that like my body language, and my facial expressions, and probably affect gets flatter, but I didn't want to be there at that food tour. Yeah, I was exhausted, and I was like, "I don't want to fucking go." I'm glad I did. But like, yeah, I think it's one of those situations where… But I thought that was an interesting question. You know, we were also in a small group all night, so there was some, like, conversation going on and there was some socializing going on, too. But it was just very interesting to me to be, like, out of the blue as we were, like, finishing up and wrapping up. Like, "Oh, by the way, is this a thing?" And I was like, "Okay, yeah." But you know what's interesting, if we would have had that conversation earlier in the night, I would have been all into the experience. Like, I would have been, like, yeah, way less removed from it instead of just being, I'm just here, I don't want to fucking do this. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. Okay, I feel like in public I'm the same way, short answers, like, yeah, flat affect. I think it just gets coded as like, for women as like bitchiness, or mean, or standoffish, but then again, she had an intimate knowledge of autism because of her kid. That's really interesting.  So, my son just switched to at-home learning, but he was going to school before that. And there's a parent who I'd often see at drop off and pickup. And I was like, "Okay, I can tell they're autistic." And I thought about like, do I go up and ask them, and like, make this connection? But then, I was like, but will they experience that as offensive? Like, it was this really interesting moment of like, when I can kind of tell someone's autistic, and I want to make that connection, but then I have no idea how they are… A, if they're aware they're autistic, B, where they are in their process of like, integrating that as an affirming part of their identity.  So, it's always an interesting experience of also not just being visible, but then, also when you're kind of tracking other people who are visibly autistic, and then whether or not to ask, or, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that once you have a very good understanding of yourself and what to look for in people, it becomes much more apparent in a lot of relationships. And I feel the same way where I'm like, "Oh, do I want to have this conversation?" But, usually, opt not to until someone brings it up. But like at the retreat, even, I was paying attention to people around me, like, because I was like, I have a sense that some of these folks are probably not aware that they're either autistic, or ADHD, or autistic ADHD.  And I was just paying attention to their social interactions, and their body language, and how they were moving through the experience. And then, some of them came up to me afterwards and self-disclosed and was like, "Thank you so much for just talking about this openly all the time because I can't do that. "And I think that, you know, hopefully, that's the goal of this podcast for us, for people is just to be able to talk about it more openly together. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, that's probably one of the top themes in like DMs or emails is people, especially, people in our profession, the mental health profession who are autistic or ADHD, but want to be, like, financially safe, or career safe, to be out there. Like, number one thing is like thank you for being visible, which, honestly, I don't know how much, like, I think it was a combination of, like, privilege and naivety, and impulsivity, that I, like, just came out as autistic, and yeah, changed my life around. But yeah. PATRICK CASALE: I think it is a privileged place to be able to openly talk about it all the time. But I'm glad that it is impactful too, you know, because I know at one point we're going to have a different conversation on the podcast about stuff you and I have been DMing about and in terms of self-diagnosis, and social media influence on [INDISCERNIBLE 00:30:37]. And, you know, it is something to think about too, about like, being openly outed, and on social media, and doing that in a way where you don't have a lot of control over the narrative either. DR. MEGAN NEFF: What do you mean by that? PATRICK CASALE: So, if you're putting it out to the world, like, I applaud you, and 100%, but you don't always have control over the impact or the fallout that can cause from doing that well. Like, family, friends, colleagues, you know, unfortunately, there can be a lot of trauma that is inflicted too. So, it's just a challenge to figure out, like, when is the right time, and is there a right time for everybody? And I think it's important to have these conversations. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I kind of tend to caution people post-diagnosis discovery, like, sit with it before you kind of start disclosing. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah because I think there's such a desire to like, claim, right? And identify. And I think it's really powerful and empowering. But I think there can be ramifications that you're not looking for, unfortunately, and… DR. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And you've got to have the confidence in the diagnosis to withstand all the people in the life. They will often say like, "No, you're not." And then compare you to like their seven-year-old white nephew. So, that's one. And then, you've got to have like, energy spoons to educate people as you disclose so that… there's so much, yeah, and then the, like, unexpected fallout. Sometimes it's really beautiful. Like, sometimes there's that ripple effect of like, many people in the family system then get identified or diagnosed. And it's this like, beautiful new lens that brings people together. But yeah, sometimes it goes really sideways and becomes this divisive thing.  PATRICK CASALE: Well, that's good foreshadowing for a future episode. So, I don't know why my brain diverged there. But you know, that's on my mind as well. And I think that it's just something I feel good about right now in terms of being able to have spoken about that, and have private inside conversations with some people over the last couple of weeks. And it's been cool, because I mean, it's just great to see more and more people talking about neurodiversity in general. And it feels good that there seems to be a really proactive advocacy movement right now. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I started in this space almost two years ago, and like, oh, my gosh, in the last few years a lot has happened. PATRICK CASALE: You're a big part of that, too. DR. MEGAN NEFF: It's weird. I don't, like, see myself that way. Like, I think I somehow objectively know that's probably true, but like, I don't experience it that way or I don't know, it's weird.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. Well, we're in that awkward transition time, so… DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, is it our time to do our awkward goodbye? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think it's time to do our awkward goodbye. And, you know, I think, also, just really excited to be releasing on Friday, not that anyone who lives is going to know that but… DR. MEGAN NEFF: But yeah, but this Friday we'll be releasing episode one, and two, and then, yeah. Oh, wait, okay, before we leave, yeah, I'm actually curious, like, how are you feeling about us releasing? Can we talk about that here? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, for sure. Nobody's going to hear this for weeks anyway. DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. That's why I think it'd be kind of interesting, actually. PATRICK CASALE: I think it's, you know, I already have a podcast that has a following, but this is a different type of podcast, you know? Like, the other one is much more entrepreneurial and focused on like mindset stuff, and the episodes that I've done with you, or with other neurodivergent entrepreneurs have always been hits. And I've enjoyed them quite a bit.  But I think there's a added layer here of vulnerability and intimacy. And like, this is a topic that is our reality, right? Like, and I also think I also acknowledge the fact that these types of conversations are going to be really impactful and emotional for a lot of people who listen, and I think that feels like some layer of responsibility there in a way of, like, how we show up. I don't know. I feel like it's complicated, but I'm excited for it to get out there. And I've enjoyed our process for figuring out how to best do this together, and how to navigate timing and scheduling, and the trip, and just trying to stay in a rhythm together, and honoring what we both need when we don't feel up for it. Like, I think it's been a cool experience so far. What about you? DR. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, I'm really excited about this project. I think when we started talking about doing it, I was really intentional of like, I want to move beyond education, which I should probably think about, like, do I actually have the luxury of doing that as someone who's a psychologist. But anyway, back to intent, I was very aware, like on Instagram, on my website, it's pretty educational. And I'm not doing a lot of reflection of my experience as been autistic. So, I think you mentioned this in the DMs of like, it feels kind of like a vulnerable thing to put out there.  And yeah, I mean, I guess that will be interesting of depending on, like, for example, when I say that there's moments I grieve my autism, I imagine that some people will really… I think, for some people to give them permission, I think for some people that will make it sound like I'm not neurodivergent affirming.  And so, I think that would be a hard like, if my experience becomes a pain point in the autistic community, I think that will be harder because I'm talking about my experience versus myself as an expert. And I think that's muddy, right? Because sometimes I am bringing in research, and I'm talking from an expertise, sometimes I'm talking from my experience, and we're going to get feedback on all of that. And I think that's going to feel really vulnerable. And I will probably not read a lot of the comments for that reason, or like, ask you, or like my VA to kind of filter the comments because those things I know can kind of hijack my nervous system when there's a wave of stuff around that. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, for sure. Well- DR. MEGAN NEFF: So, excitement and vulnerability. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it sounds like we're in the right place, then. Excitement and vulnerability. So, hopefully, when we circle back after this episode is released we have more to say about that. But I agree, 100%. And I've got your back in that. And I know that we can rely on the people that we hire, and help support our businesses, help with stuff like that as well. So, yeah, I'm excited and I'm nervous and now all the things, so… DR. MEGAN NEFF: What's our awkward goodbye tagline? We like had a tagline once upon a time, a place where we, like, are okay with awkward goodbyes. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think it was just like, we'll see you next week. Bye. DR. MEGAN NEFF: I love the directness of that. PATRICK CASALE: Yep, so everyone that's listening to the Divergent Conversations Podcast on all major platforms out every single Friday. We'll see you next week. Goodbye.

Wood Green and Broadstairs, 1903, from Gower Sketchbook, graphite and watercolour on wove paper, Art Gallery of Ontario, Gift of Jane and John McNicoll, 2002, 2002/9441. Displayed on a table and under Plexiglas, this is one of 8 sketchbooks at the centre of the last room in the exhibition. This room displays the two artists' works in their own right. A series of five colour prints on paper by Cassatt are on one wall, and on the others are paintings from McNicoll's travels of landscapes and figures. The vertically oriented sketchbook is 20 cm tall by 16 cm wide and is open to a small watercolour sketch and life drawings of figures in pencil on both of its off-white pages. In the right upper half of the top page is the watercolour which is slightly larger than a business card. Two thirds is of a dramatic sky with towering grey clouds and one patch of pastel blue near the top. The lower third is a landscape with still waters on the left and a sandy beach and an escarpment rising on the right. Patches of grey, blue and brown dot the beach and indicate bathers at the shore. Under the watercolour is a sketch of the rear view of a child holding a pail and walking in the sand wearing a sunhat with a ribboned band. In a sketch to the left, another child, also seen from behind, sways in a swimming dress with horizontal stripes. To the top left and bottom right of the bottom page are inscriptions. The writing at the top left reads: Wood Green May 1903. Under this are three rear view sketches of a barefoot adolescent figure in a skirt. One is standing with their arms in front of them, presumably carrying something. The remaining two sit perched on a ledge, with one facing left with their left knee raised to also rest on the wall. Writing at the bottom right reads Broadstairs 1903. Spaced around the bottom page are 6 walnut sized sketches of scenes that the artist would have seen during a trip to Broadstairs, on the coast of England. Two depict a child in a sun hat playing with a bucket on the beach. Four are of a person in what resembles a long wool bathing dress and beret-shaped swimming cap. They alternately sit up and recline, leaning on an elbow in the sand, with two sketched as outlines with only a few short strokes of pencil. Around 60 additional images from all the sketchbooks are shown on a monitor mounted on the wall nearby. The other sketchbooks in the case are opened to show drawings such as: sketches of models, females in the nude and males wearing only loincloths, seaside landscapes and village scenes, pencil portrait sketches, a young boy leaning on a staircase, women beside an easel talking in an art class, and a man standing behind a tripod with a surveyor's instrument called a Survey Transit Telescope.

We meet leading artist TOM BURR from his studio in Connecticut, USA!In his spare, enigmatic, mixed-media sculptures and installations, Tom Burr explores the ways in which we imbue the spaces and things by which we are surrounded—like clothing, furniture, or the patterns in wood—with our memories and emotions. As he explains: “I know that objects retain the stain of people and that our memory can be physically located out of longing or grief.” Though his work is grounded in his own memories, it is deliberately ambiguous, allowing viewers to invest it with their own life experiences. He uses what he calls a “focused spectrum” of humble materials and found objects, including plywood, old blankets and t-shirts, radiators, doors, books, and bits of hardware. By draping a pair of nylons over a radiator, encasing sneakers in yellow Plexiglas, or constructing stripped-down rooms, Burr makes his (and our) memories material.Tom Burr (b. 1963 in New Haven, Connecticut) lives and works in New York. He has shown extensively throughout Europe and the United States. He most recently was the subject of a solo exhibition entitled Hinged Figures at the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art, Hartford, CT. His work was recently featured in Queer Abstraction at the Des Moines Art Center, Des Moines, IA.Burr's work has been collected by major museums internationally, including the Whitney Museum of American Art, New York, NY; Migros Museum, Zurich, Switzerland; MOCA, Los Angeles, CA; MuMOK, Vienna, Austria; New York Public Library, New York, NY; Sammlung Grasslin, Germany; Sammlung Verbund, Vienna, Austria; Ludwig Museum, Koln, Germany; Hammer Museum, Los Angeles, CA; FRAC, Champagne Ardenne, France; FRAC, Nord-Pas de Calais, France; Baltimore Museum of Art, Baltimore, MD; and the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, Israel. Burr attended the School of Visual Arts and the Whitney Independent Study Program in New York.Tom Burr's forthcoming solo exhibition runs from 10th March 2023 at Bortolami in New York.Follow @BurrTomBurrVisit: Maureen Paley, London, Bortolami, NYC and Galerie Neu, Berlin. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In October, 1966, the singer Nico began a residency at a bar in the East Village. She wore a white pantsuit and wielded a tambourine; her drawn vowels hung in the smoky air. She was still playing occasional shows with the Velvet Underground, whose first album would be released the following year. But, to Nico's dismay, the band's leader, Lou Reed, refused to play guitar at her solo shows, and barred the rest of the group from joining her. Onstage, she was forced to sing to a prerecorded backing from a small cassette player. “The tears would roll down her face because she just couldn't remember how the buttons worked,” Andy Warhol, who managed the Velvets, recalled. Humiliation was a theme: four months later, at a club called the Dom, Warhol tried to make her perform inside a Plexiglas box.Nico was used to being treated as a physical spectacle. At the Dom, Leonard Cohen was a regular guest, and he began writing songs in hopes of seducing her. Her improbable bone structure, and her role in “La Dolce Vita,” intrigued prominent rock managers like Albert Grossman, who worked with Bob Dylan. But her songs were less appealing, and the Dom's clientele often laughed through her set. She was eventually accompanied on guitar by Tim Buckley, and then by Jackson Browne, who had just arrived in New York. Browne became enamored with Nico, and before they fell out—she accused him of harassing her with obscene phone calls—he gave her two songs: “The Fairest of the Seasons” and “These Days,” both of which appeared on her 1967 début, “Chelsea Girl.”Few songs so beautifully misrepresent a singer as “These Days.” The clarity of Browne's fingerpicked guitar lines, and the delicacy of Nico's languor, is rendered just alien enough by her vocals, a more tuneful version of the stentorian drawl she used with the Velvets. “Please don't confront me with my failures / I had not forgotten them,” she sings. Since its inclusion in Wes Anderson's 2001 film “The Royal Tenenbaums,” where it accompanies a kohl-eyed Gwyneth Paltrow, “These Days” has become Nico's best-known song, a hymn of stifled glamour. It reinforces her popular image, which has been confected from late-sixties publicity stills, bits of blank-stare footage from Warhol films, and photographs of her with Reed and John Cale, the Velvets' Welsh savant. She migrates in the mind between fashion and folk, downtown bohème and Fellini-sponsored stardom. And always, in case you don't know, there is the spectre of her heroin addiction, the protracted ruin of her personal life.  -The New Yorker

Wie gesund ist Schwimmen?; Meeresschutz - wie geht es unseren Ozeanen?; Was Naturschutz gegen Fluss-Niedrigwasser leisten kann; Kurzsichtig: Darum brauchen wir immer öfter eine Brille; Plexiglas - Seine unbekannte Geschichte und wie es die Welt verändert; Was tun bei Histaminunverträglichkeit?; Alarm - so bekommst du Kathastrophen-Infos wirklich mit; Moderation: Marija Bakker. Von WDR 5.

Show Notes You can support our Patreon Find out more at https://three-minute-modernist.pinecast.co Auto-Generated Transcript   SiliGoneValley-TapPlastics Tue, 8/16 10:34AM • 3:46 SUMMARY KEYWORDS plastics, cray, tap, display, clientele, measurements, replaced, computer history museum, stores, alameda, supercomputer, mountain view, unevenly, cut, work, plexi, trimming, individual, shrunk, task SPEAKERS Christopher Garcia   Christopher Garcia  Come with me. We're going to Silicon Valley   Christopher Garcia  TAP plastics, the fantastic plastic place. TAP plastics was a chain of stores that specialized in providing plastics for pretty much everything. They built. trophy cases they did. Replacement Windows, it was everything you needed. That was plastic or Plexiglas you would go to tap plastics for I only ever use two of them one in just outside of downtown San Jose, on the Alameda, or Yeah, the Alameda. Or maybe it was San Carlos, no, the Alameda. Stop questioning yourself, Chris. And the other one in downtown Mountain View. And what's impressive about places like tap plastics, is how thoroughly they have been replaced by online services. This is not necessarily a bad thing. It does make it a little harder when you have something in hand that you want to get replaced. And you don't have the tools to actually do the measurements, for example. But I used that plastics a lot when I worked at the Computer History Museum, most notably for the Cray one. So I was given a task more busy work than anything of putting new side panels on to the Cray one supercomputer so that we could display it and actually have people sit on it. This was a fun task. I did all the measurements and sent it in, went and picked it up and none of them fit. And I couldn't figure out why. And we brought it back again, and they cut a little slice, little off, they put it in. And again, it didn't fit out four or five different back and forth. We did until I realized what had happened. The original plates have actually shrunk. And we're actually almost completely loose of their side aluminum holdings. But when you measured them, you couldn't actually get them to be right in because they had unevenly warped. So some were much narrower than others. This was annoying. But that plastics bless them. They went back and they read cut and they retrained four or five times without annoyance, which is amazing, because I wasn't thinking about TAP plastics was it was a drop off and pickup sort of situation most of the time. Yeah, they had things on the shelves, things like Plexi, cleaner, all that sort of thing. Individual pieces, like if you wanted the display piece, you could almost always get it from the floor. But for the most part two was about trimming and cutting. And that's what I used it for excessively and I wished today, I have a display case I want to get a new panel for but there's no easy way to do that. And that's what tap plastics and other stores like that, that did things like plastic and wood cut paneling and so forth that were local, made possible was to not necessarily do it yourself, but to interact directly and to go back and forth with an individual spot. And I think we need more of that. I think losing that has been hard. I think TAP plastics is what I think of when I think of a store that recognized its customers and customer base and focused on them as their clientele so that they could keep a loyal audience and you know what, to this day me they have Find out more at https://siligone-valley.pinecast.co

I turned off my Big Ben alarm clock at 0230, the usual wake-up time for our Linebacker mission. When the scheduling board simply indicated “Special”, we knew it would be a 0400 mass briefing at Wing Headquarters for a bombing mission over North Vietnam. We wouldn't know our target until the mission briefing. The schedule was normally posted at the end of each day's flying, and the previous day I had seen my name listed for the number four position in Jazz Flight for today's Special. My Weapon Systems Officer would be Bill Woodworth. F-4 pilots quickly become creatures of habit mixed with ritual, and I walked the short distance to the Ubon Officer's Club to have my standard breakfast: cheese omelet, toast with butter, and coffee. I had successfully flown thirty-one Counters – missions over North Vietnam – and I wasn't about to change anything without a pretty compelling reason. A few weeks earlier, the Thai waitress had misunderstood me when I had ordered, and brought me a plain Omelet. I politely ate it, and the mission on that day was the closest I had come – up until then – to getting shot down. After breakfast, I walked to the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing Headquarters building, and performed my usual routine of stopping by the Intel desk and checking the Shoot-down Board. The Shoot-down Board was a large Plexiglas-covered board that listed the most recent friendly aircraft losses, written in grease pencil. We could tell, at a glance, if any aircraft had been shot down the previous night, the call sign, aircraft type, and survivor status. There were no friendly aircraft losses over North Vietnam to enemy action in the previous day. That was not surprising. The Special for the previous day had been canceled when the strike leader, my Squadron Commander, Lieutenant Colonel Brad Sharp, crashed on takeoff when his left tire exploded at 160 knots. He aborted, taking the departure end barrier, and his aircraft caught fire when pieces of the shredded tire pierced his left wing fuel tank. Brad's emergency egress was delayed when he got hung up by his leg restraint lines. As he sat in his seat, seeing the canopy melting around him, his WSO, Mike Pomphrey, ran back to the burning aircraft and pulled him out, saving his life. As Mike dragged him to a drainage ditch 100 yards away to hunker down, the ejection seats, missiles and, eventually, bombs cooked off. Ubon's only runway was out of commission, and the entire Linebacker mission, for all bases, was canceled. Overnight, the runway at Ubon was repaired, and our mission was on for this day. The mission briefing was in a large auditorium. The Wing Commander led the Mission Briefing, followed by an Intel Briefing and Weather Briefing. Slides were projected onto the screen to show the targets on a map of North Vietnam, then reconnaissance photos of the individual targets for the strike flights. Jazz Flight's target was POL (Petroleum, Oil, Lubricants) storage near Kep Airfield, north of Hanoi. During the briefing, we all received our mission line-up cards, showing our Estimated Times Enroute (ETE), fuel computations, strike frequencies, and flight de-confliction information. A mass strike over Route Package Six, the area of North Vietnam covering Hanoi, Haiphong and points north, required a massive orchestration effort. The run-in directions, Time Over Target (TOT), and egress plan for each of the sixteen four-ship strike flights, plus all of the same information for support flights, such as MiG-Cap, were designated to exacting specifications. After the mass briefing, we assembled in our respective squadrons for our individual flight briefings. When I walked into the 25th Tactical Fighter Squadron, my first order of business was to check the Flight Crew Information File Book. The FCIF was a book that had last-minute changes to procedures and other instructions for aircrews. After reading the latest entries in the book, each crewmember would initial his FCIF card and turn the card over in the vertical card file so that the green side of the card was facing out, instead of the red side. That way, the Ops Officer could instantly see if all the crews were flying with the most current information. The briefing for Jazz Flight lasted about 45 minutes. Our Flight Lead briefed engine start and check-in times, flight join-up, frequencies, tactics, and our munitions load. Today we would each carry two 2,000-pound Mark-84L laser-guided bombs. After the briefing we waited our turns for the most important part of the preflight. The building that housed our squadron had not been designed for a mass launch of 32 crewmembers all needing to use the latrine at the same time. It was a three-holer, and everyone always badly needed to use the facility before a mission up north. It was a major bottle-neck to our individual plans. After that essential stop we went by the Life Support section to leave our personal items, such as wedding rings, wallets and anything else we wouldn't need for the flight, in our lockers. The only thing I would carry in my pocket was my ID Card and my Geneva Convention Card. And, of course, I had my dog tags around my neck. Then we would pick up our G-suits, helmets, survival vests and parachute harnesses and board the “bread truck” for transportation to the flight line, with a quick stop at the armory to retrieve our .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolvers. Our Thai driver always had a cooler stocked with plastic flasks of cold water, and we would grab several and put them in leg pockets of our G-suits. I also grabbed several piddle packs. The F-4 did not have a relief tube, so we carried piddle packs. The piddle pack was a small plastic bag with a 2 inch by 6 inch sponge inside and a spout at one end. When you used this portable urinal, the entire assembly would expand to about the size of a football. This flight was scheduled to be a bit longer than the standard mission, so I grabbed three piddle packs. There were two ways to get to Pack Six from Ubon: right turns and left turns. With right turns, the missions are about 45 minutes shorter. Head north over Laos, refuel on Green Anchor, make a right turn at Thud Ridge and proceed to the target. Left turns takes us to the east coast of Vietnam, and proceed north “feet wet”, then make a left turns toward Vinh to strike our targets. Today we would make left turns. We launched off at dawn and headed into the rising sun. Our route of flight took us east across Laos to DaNang, then north to the Gulf of Tonkin, then northwest to our target in the area of Kep. Our refueling would be along Purple Anchor as we headed north for pre-strike and south for post-strike. One of my rituals during every refueling, in between hook-ups, was to break out one of the water flasks, finish off an entire pack of Tums, and fill one of the piddle packs. Using the piddle pack in the seat of the Phantom was easier said than done. It required a bit of maneuvering.  I handed the jet over to Bill, my WSO, as I loosened my lap belt, loosened the leg straps on my parachute harness, and unzipped my flight suit from the bottom. Then I did my best to fill the piddle pack without any spillage. Our route was already taking us feet wet, and I wasn't looking forward to becoming feet wet in any other respect. Bill flew smoothly, and I finished my business with no problem, and took control of the airplane again for our refueling top-offs. We conducted our aerial ballet in total radio silence as our four airplanes cycled on and off the refueling boom, flying at almost 400 knots, as we approached the refueling drop-off point. When we finished refueling, we switched to strike frequency and headed north-northwest to the target area. Typical for a Linebacker mission, strike frequency was pretty busy. There were “Bandit” calls from Disco, the Airborne Early Warning bird, an EC-121 orbiting over the Gulf of Tonkin. And SAM breaks. And, of course, the ever-present triple-A (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)that produced fields of instant-blooming dandelions at our altitude. We pressed on. In the entire history of the Air Force, and the Army Air Corps before it, no strike aircraft has ever aborted its mission due to enemy reaction, and we were not about to set a precedent. Weather in the target area was severe clear, and Flight Lead identified the target with no problem. We closed in to “fingertip” formation, with three feet of separation between wingtips.  “Jazz Flight, arm ‘em up.” We made a left orbit to make our run-in on the designated attack heading. Then a left roll-in with 135 degrees of bank. My element lead, Jazz Three, was on Lead's right wing, and I was on the far right position in the formation. Our roll-in and roll-out was in close fingertip position, which put me at negative G-loading during the roll-out. During negative-G formation flying, the flight controls work differently. I was on the right wing and a little too close to Element Lead, so I needed to put the stick to the left to increase spacing. Totally unnatural. At the same time, I was hanging against my lap belt, which I had forgotten to tighten when I had finished my piddle-pack filling procedure. My head hit the canopy, as dust and other detritus from the cockpit floated up into my eyes. But I maintained my position. We rolled out on the correct run-in heading, and reached our delivery parameters right on profile. Five hundred knots at 20,000 feet. Lead called our release.  “Jazz Flight, ready, ready, pickle!” We all pushed our Bomb Release “pickle” buttons on our stick grips at the same time, and eight 2000-pound bombs guided together to the target that was being illuminated by the laser designator in the Lead's Pave Knife pod, guidance performed by his WSO.  Immediately after release, we performed the normal 4-G pullout. And I was instantly in excruciating pain. I screamed out in pain on our “hot mike” interphone.  “Are you okay?”  Bill called.  “I think I've been shot in the balls!” I screamed. Then, I realized what had happened. I had carelessly neglected to tighten my lap belt and parachute harness leg straps after relieving myself during the refueling. My body had shifted, and my testicles had gotten trapped between the harness and my body. With a 4-G pull, my 150-pound body was exerting 600 pounds of pressure on the family jewels. As soon as I knew what the problem was, I unloaded the aircraft to zero Gs, to try to readjust myself. But I was still headed downhill, and Mother Hanoi was rushing up to me at 500 knots. And I was getting further out of position in my formation. So I gritted my teeth and pulled.  When we got onto the post-strike tanker, I adjusted myself, but the damage had been done. I was in agony all the way back to Ubon. As soon as I landed, I went to see the Flight Surgeon and told him what had happened. He told me to drop my shorts and show him my injury. “Wow! I'd heard you guys had big ones, but these are even larger than I expected.”  I looked down, and saw that my testicles were swollen to the size of large oranges. The Flight Surgeon put me on total bed-rest orders, telling me I could only get out of bed to use the bathroom until the swelling subsided. While I was flat on my back, waiting for the pain to subside, I couldn't get that stupid old joke out of my head, the one where the kid goes into a malt shop and asks for a sundae with nuts, and the clerk asks, “Do you want your nuts crushed?” And the kid has a wise-crack answer. All of a sudden, it didn't seem so funny. After about five days I was feeling much better.  The Flight Surgeon had offered to submit my injury for a Purple Heart, but I declined. For starters, my injury was not due to enemy action, it was due to my carelessness. And I wasn't too keen on standing in front of the entire squadron at my next assignment while the Admin Officer read the citation to accompany the award of the Purple Heart. “On that day, Captain Nolly managed to crush…”. No thanks! A few months later, the Flight Surgeon showed up at our squadron.  “You're famous, and made me a famous author,” he beamed, as he held up the current issue of Aerospace Medicine magazine. In the article, he recounted how a 27-year-old pilot had experienced a strangulation injury to his testes that came very close to requiring amputation. Castration!  “There was no use in telling you and making you worry, when there was nothing we could do for you other than bed rest, and wait to see if you healed,” he commented. Well, it's been 41 years now, and I'm at an age where I don't embarrass as easily. More important, I sired three healthy children several years later, so the equipment works just fine, thank you.  Lots of guys have great “There I was” stories of their time in Vietnam. I racked up 100 missions over the north, and had some exciting missions.  This mission was not the most exciting, but was certainly the most memorable.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML. + + Werbepartner dieser Folge: Kickbase. Mache es wie Schlotterbeck, Müller, Raum, oder Hummels und zocke Kickbase, den beliebtesten Bundesliga-Fantasy-Manager Deutschlands: go.kickbase.com/mml Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML. + + Werbepartner dieser Folge: Kickbase. Mache es wie Schlotterbeck, Müller, Raum, oder Hummels und zocke Kickbase, den beliebtesten Bundesliga-Fantasy-Manager Deutschlands: go.kickbase.com/mml Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML. + + Werbepartner dieser Folge: Kickbase. Mache es wie Schlotterbeck, Müller, Raum, oder Hummels und zocke Kickbase, den beliebtesten Bundesliga-Fantasy-Manager Deutschlands: go.kickbase.com/mml Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML. + + Werbepartner dieser Folge: Kickbase. Mache es wie Schlotterbeck, Müller, Raum, oder Hummels und zocke Kickbase, den beliebtesten Bundesliga-Fantasy-Manager Deutschlands: go.kickbase.com/mml Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Leute, da kommen wir also, bretagnebraun und laylageil, aus der Sommerpause. In den Haaren noch den Wind eines möglichen Wandels, auf der Haut noch das Meersalz der Hoffnung. Diesen leichten Film der Verklärung. Und prallen dann, unsanft und ungebremst, gleich wieder gegen die rote Mauer der Wirklichkeit, gegen das Plexiglas der Langeweile. Weil mit den Bayern auch die Dominanz zurück gekehrt ist. Fünf Tore in Leipzig, eines davon hinein gelächelt, die anderen leichtfüßig über die Linie getanzt. Mit Bambi in Bestform. Und Julian in Jubellaune. Die Pfeile, sagte Domenico Tedesco hinterher, kamen von überall. Und er klang dabei, als stünde er gar nicht in der Mixzone der roten Bullen, sondern knietief im Mekong, in den Büschen die roten Khmer. Die Tyrannei, schrieb die SZ, geht weiter. Die elfte Meisterschaft in Folge, sie ist bereits jetzt nur noch Frühformsache. Und Leverkusen? Verliert in Elversberg. Und Dortmund? Denkt an Cavani. Nun ja. Die Saison, so scheint es, ist gelaufen, bevor sie überhaupt richtig beginnen durfte. Als hätte der Fußballgott mal eben das Land verlassen und die Tür zum Abschied mit dem Arsch in die Angeln geknallt. Umso wichtiger, dass die Frauen parallel das zum Sommer passende Märchen aufgeführt haben. Mit Torrekorden zum Einrahmen und Schnurrbärten zum Ankleben. Mit all den Postillion-Pointen einer plötzlichen Popp-Kultur. Auch wenn das Happy-End leider ausblieb und sich Huth am Ende nur Silber, Bronze aber Gold um den Hals hängen konnte. Der Traum in Tränen ertrunken. Was jedoch bleiben wird, von diesen wilden Tagen im Juli, ist der glänzende Eindruck. Und die große Euphorie um eine Mannschaft, die sich niemals die Mannschaft nennen würde, aber vielleicht genau deshalb genau das war. Lange dachten wir ja, man hätte uns um ein Turnier betrogen. Jetzt wissen wir, dass man uns eines geschenkt hat. Mit dem nötigen Raum zur Entfaltung und endlich auch genug Zeit zum Kennenlernen. Die Namen, Magull und Schüller, Frohms und Brand, werden wir uns mit Sicherheit merken. Und vielleicht, so die leise Hoffnung, hallen sie ja länger nach als der nächste Ballermann-Refrain. Und damit, liebe Freunde und Freundinnen, wünschen wir euch nun viel Vergnügen mit dieser neuen Folge Fussball MML. + + Werbepartner dieser Folge: Kickbase. Mache es wie Schlotterbeck, Müller, Raum, oder Hummels und zocke Kickbase, den beliebtesten Bundesliga-Fantasy-Manager Deutschlands: go.kickbase.com/mml Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Topic: Restaurants Have Lavish Setups for Outdoor Winter Dining   A Latin fusion restaurant in Queens will serve crispy arepa cups and ropa vieja at an outdoor dining chalet with rustic wood beams and sparkling chandeliers. 紐約皇后區一間拉丁無國界料理餐廳，將在有鄉村風木梁和閃亮枝形吊燈的戶外用餐木屋裡，提供杯裝的酥脆玉米餅和燉手撕牛肉。 In the Bronx, an Italian place has winter-proofed its back patio with Plexiglas walls and electric heaters, along with festive vines with pink flowers. 在布朗克斯區，一間義大利餐廳在後院築起塑膠玻璃牆並放上電熱器防寒，同時飾以帶有節慶氣氛的粉紅花朵藤蔓。 And a Manhattan bistro is handing out silver space blankets to shivering diners. 曼哈坦區一家餐酒館還發放銀色太空毯，讓冷得發抖的客人保暖。 A pandemic that has upended much of life in New York is now ushering in something the city has never really tried: dining by snow and ice. Or, as some restaurants are telling customers, the new BYOB is bring your own blanket. 新冠肺炎疫情大大顛覆紐約人的生活，如今又把這座城市從未真正試過的東西引了進來，就是在冰天雪地中用餐，或者就像一些餐廳告訴客人的，「請自帶酒水」變成了「請自備毛毯」。 The explosion of outdoor dining has been a savior for more than 10,000 restaurants and bars that have taken over sidewalks, streets and public spaces to try to keep their businesses afloat. It has been so popular that Mayor Bill de Blasio and the City Council are making outdoor dining permanent. 戶外用餐激增，拯救了紐約逾萬家餐廳和酒吧，這些店家占用人行道、大街和公共空間以求生。戶外用餐大受歡迎，以致市長白思豪和市議會決定讓它合法化。 But year-round dining outside is untested in the city's bone-chilling winters, and has created daunting challenges for an industry fighting to survive. 不過，戶外用餐還沒接受紐約寒冬的考驗，對奮力求存的餐飲業是可怕的挑戰。 “Are we going to have a mild winter or a harsh one?” said Andrew Rigie, executive director of the New York City Hospitality Alliance, an industry group. “It's a gamble. With so much uncertainty about the weather and diner behavior, it's a risk.” 同業團體紐約市餐飲業聯合會主席里吉說：「今年冬天會溫和還是很冷？只能賭一賭。關於天氣和客人行為有這麼多不確定性，這是在冒險。」 While a financial imperative for restaurants, enclosing outdoor areas for winter has raised health concerns as coronavirus cases in New York have started to rise again. Protecting patrons from the elements has led some restaurants to create shelters that lack sufficient ventilation, raising the risk of transmission. 餐廳把戶外用餐區圍起來以免客人受寒，雖然對生意非常重要，卻在紐約新冠病例再度激增之際引發公共衛生疑慮。一些餐廳為保護客人不受惡劣天氣影響而圍出通風不良的區域，提高了疫情傳播的風險。 Outdoor heaters — including propane heaters that had been banned in the city but are now permitted as a way to help restaurants — could also pose fire hazards. 戶外暖爐，包括紐約原本禁用、為幫助餐廳經營而暫且開放使用的丙烷暖爐，還可能引起火災。 Still, with restaurants having few options to make money, New York and other cities are forging ahead with winter outdoor dining.Chicago held a design challenge that drew ideas like a Japanese-style heated table and a modular cabin inspired by ice-fishing huts that fits on a parking spot. 不過，由於餐廳賺錢方式非常有限，紐約等城市仍大力發展冬季戶外用餐。芝加哥辦了場戶外用餐設計比賽，吸引的點子包括：日式暖爐桌和模組小屋，以冰釣小屋為靈感，占地相當於一個停車位。 In New York, the multibillion-dollar restaurant industry, one of the city's most important economic pillars, has been decimated by the pandemic. Indoor dining has resumed, but at only 25% capacity. 營業額數十億美元的餐館業是紐約經濟支柱，受到疫情重創，雖然已恢復內用，但只能開放25%的座位。 Source article: https://paper.udn.com/udnpaper/POH0067/359491/web/   Next Article   Topic: A Scary Energy Winter Is Coming. Don't Blame the Greens.   Every so often the tectonic geopolitical plates that hold up the world economy suddenly shift in ways that can rattle and destabilize everything on the surface. That's happening right now in the energy sphere. 有時候，承載世界經濟的地緣政治板塊會突然移動，把地表每樣東西搖得嘎嘎作響。這種事現在就在能源領域發生。 Several forces are coming together that could make Vladimir Putin the king of Europe, enable Iran to thumb its nose at America and build an atomic bomb, and disrupt European power markets enough that the upcoming United Nations climate conference in Glasgow, Scotland, could suffer blackouts owing to too little clean energy. 有幾股勢力正在匯聚，能使俄國總統普亭成為歐洲之王，使伊朗有本錢不把美國放在眼裡，進而造出原子彈，並足以打亂歐洲能源市場，讓即將登場的英國蘇格蘭格拉斯哥聯合國氣候大會可能會因為潔淨能源太少而停電。 Yes, this is a big one. 沒錯，問題很大。 Natural gas and coal prices in Europe and Asia just hit their highest levels on record, oil prices in America hit a seven-year high and U.S. gasoline prices are up $1 a gallon from last year. If this winter is as bad as some experts predict — with some in the poor and middle classes unable to heat their homes — I fear we'll see a populist backlash to the whole climate/green movement. You can already smell that coming in Britain. 歐亞兩洲的天然氣和煤價剛剛達到史上最高，美國原油價格創七年新高，而汽油價格每加侖比去年上漲1美元。如果今年冬天跟一些專家預測的一樣糟，一些貧窮和中產階級人家負擔不起取暖費用，我擔心會出現針對整個氣候和綠能運動的民粹反彈。在英國已經可以嗅到這個跡象。 How did we get here? In truth, it's a good-news-bad-news story. 我們怎會走到這一步？其實，這是個好消息壞消息都有的故事。 The good news is that every major economy has signed onto reducing its carbon footprint by phasing out dirtier fuels like coal to heat homes and to power industries. The bad news is that most nations are doing it in totally uncoordinated ways, from the top down, and before the market has produced sufficient clean renewables like wind, solar and hydro. 好消息是，每個主要經濟體都已同意，透過逐步淘汰煤炭這類比較髒的燃料給家庭取暖和給產業供電，減少碳足跡。壞消息則是，多數國家這麼做的時候完全沒有互相協調，由上而下執行，而且市場還沒製造出足夠多的風力、太陽能和水力等清潔能源。 But how did the bad-news side of this story emerge so fast? 這個故事的壞消息面為何這麼快出現？ Blame COVID-19. First, the pandemic erupted and signaled to every major economy that we were headed for a deep recession. This sent prices of all kinds of commodities, including oil and gas, into downward spirals. 要怪新冠肺炎。首先，疫情爆發，對每個重要經濟體而言意味我們正走向深度衰退，使原油、天然氣等各類大宗商品價格走軟。 This, in turn, led banks to choke off investment in new natural gas capacity and crude wells after seven years of already declining investments in these hydrocarbons because of lousy returns. 這進而使銀行停止投資擴充天然氣產能和油井。銀行已減少投資這些碳氫化合物達七年，因為報酬率很差。 As Bill Gates points out in his smart book “How to Avoid a Climate Disaster,” the only way to reach our climate targets is to shift production of all the big heavy industries, like steel, cement and automobiles, as well as how we heat our homes and power our cars, to electricity generated from clean energy. Safe and affordable nuclear power has to be part of our mix because, Gates argues, “it is the only carbon-free, scalable energy source that's available 24 hours a day.” 就像微軟創辦人蓋茲在他那本睿智的書「如何避免氣候災難」指出的，達成氣候目標的唯一方法是，改變所有重工業如鋼鐵、水泥、汽車業等的生產方式，以及我們在家取暖和為愛車提供動力的方式，轉而用潔淨能源發電。蓋茲主張必須接納安全可負擔的核能，因為「這是唯一不產生二氧化碳又能擴增的能源來源，每天24小時供應」。Source article: https://udn.com/news/story/6904/5820545   Next Article   Topic: About Winter - Alaska faces 'Icemageddon' as temperatures swing wildly   Extreme weather in Alaska that has brought record high temperatures and torrential downpours has left authorities in the far northern US state warning of "Icemageddon". 阿拉斯加出現的極端天氣帶來破紀錄的高溫和豪雨，使這個美國遙遠北方州的政府警告「冰雪末日」。 Hours after thermometers on Kodiak Island in the south reached 19.4 degrees Celsius － the warmest December temperature ever recorded in Alaska － the interior of the state saw 25 millimeters of rain fall in just a few hours, a downpour unseen in decades. 在南部科迪亞克島的溫度計達到攝氏19.4度（阿拉斯加有記錄以來最溫暖的12月溫度）數小時后，該州內部在短短幾個小時內就下了25毫米的降雨，這是幾十年來從未見過的傾盆大雨。 Then when temperatures plummeted again, it all froze. The state's transportation department has coined the neologism － a play on "Armageddon" － to describe the chilly impasse. 然後，當氣溫再次驟降時，一切都凍結了。該州的交通部門創造了這個新詞 - 一個關於"世界末日"的戲劇 - 來描述寒冷的僵局。 "We're experiencing an unprecedented series of winter storms," the department tweeted. "我們正在經歷一系列前所未有的冬季風暴，"該部門在推特上寫道。   Next Article   Topic: In Denmark, a snow storm means people overnight in an IKEA 在丹麥，一場暴風雪讓民眾在一間「宜家家居」過夜 In northern Denmark, an IKEA showroom turned into a vast bedroom. Six customers and about two dozen employees were stranded by a snowstorm and spent the night in the store, sleeping in the beds that are usually on show. 在丹麥北部，宜家的陳列室變成了一個巨大的臥室。六名顧客和大約二十多名員工被暴風雪困住，在商店裡過夜，睡在通常展示的床上。 Up to 30 centimeters of snow fell, trapping the customers and employees when the department store in Aalborg closed on Wednesday evening. 週三晚上，奧爾堡的百貨公司關閉時，高達30釐米的積雪困住了顧客和員工。 “We slept in the furniture exhibitions and our showroom on the first floor, where we have beds, mattresses and sofa beds,” store manager Peter Elmose told the Ekstra Bladet tabloid. People could “pick the exact bed they always have wanted to try.” "我們睡在傢俱展和一樓的陳列室里，那裡有床，床墊和沙發床，"商店經理Peter Elmose告訴Ekstra Bladet小報。人們可以「選擇他們一直想嘗試的確切床」。 Elmose said they spent the evening watching television and eating, adding it went “super well. It's been a good night. All fun.” 埃爾莫斯說，他們晚上看電視和吃飯，並補充說它「超級順利」。這是一個美好的夜晚。一切都很有趣。Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1497858 ; https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1488145

  Now that the Fall 2021 half of the regular school year has come to an end and all the students on my caseload are on Winter Break, I'm taking advantage of the break from back-to-back Individualized Education Program (IEP) meetings to reflect on the most serious issues I've had to deal with so far during this first half of the current school year.   While I've had to deal with a lot of different challenges, it is the impact that the lack of appropriate services during shutdown, from March of 2020 to August or September of 2021, that has hit hardest. It's been the absolute most hardest on my students with intensive behavioral services in their IEPs who have suffered the most regression and lost educational benefits. School districts all over Southern California, and likely elsewhere throughout the State and beyond, refused to provide in-person services to children on IEPs who required them in order to continue learning during shutdown.   This was in spite of explicit changes to State law that mandated in-person services for those special education students who needed it and compensatory education for any special education students who lost educational benefits during shutdown. Not only were in-person services denied, compensatory services are still being denied as school districts act like their students' regression has nothing to do with the fact that the districts failed to provide in-person services to these children during shutdown.   What was done instead? Aides employed originally to provide direct, in-person support to these students in the classroom setting were put on Zoom, Google Meets, Microsoft Teams, or whatever else platform their employers were using for distance learning as remote participants. How in the Hell an aide on Zoom was supposed to provide the supports necessary to facilitate the student's participation in online learning via Zoom was anyone's guess. It consistently failed to work.   Further, even though the new laws clearly made it an option, only one of my students' districts hired a non-public agency (NPA) to provide in-person behavioral support services in the student's home during distance learning so the student's behaviors could not be permitted to allow him to escape/avoid the instruction. Instead, they rewarded his participation and prompted him to return to task when his attention wandered, so he was able to make excellent academic progress during distance learning.   What he wasn't able to work on was his social skills with peers and adults in normal everyday settings. When he returned to on-campus learning, his classroom behaviors became increasingly challenging and the behaviors of the other students in the class became escalated in response. It eventually got so bad that the other students in his non-public school (NPS) classroom assaulted his NPA behavior aide because they blamed her for keeping him in their class. He triggered them that badly.   We ultimately changed his placement right before Winter Break started and a due process case for the involved district's utter failure to offer or deliver a Free and Appropriate Public Education (FAPE) for the last two years is now pending. Settlement is entirely possible, which I can't discuss in detail, and the IEP team has come up with a strategy to hopefully salvage his education for the moment, but this is a student who is able to meet academic standards in spite of his grossly impaired social skills.   Our concern is that he will graduate with a diploma and get arrested the next day for acting out in public. His behavioral needs have been exacerbated by shutdown because he didn't get any instruction or practice in behaving in socially appropriate ways when in-person with peers or adults at school. In part, this was because the NPS he had attended had a “philosophy” that failed to conform with the evidence-based scientifically valid practices of the NPA that was providing his behavioral interventions.   As such, NPS staff regularly failed to abide by the Behavioral Intervention Plan (BIP) in the student's IEP, much to the frustration of the NPA experts who had designed it and much to the danger of the Behavioral Intervention Implementation (BII) staff who was assaulted by my student's classmates because he made them so upset. Rather than work collaboratively with the experts hired to address his behaviors using methods proven to work by science, the NPS staff would engage in ad hoc interventions based on whatever ideas popped into their science-denying minds in the given moment, none of which worked.   Most of the students in the NPS had mental and emotional health needs, many of which arising from past trauma, but our student had autism and just didn't know how to read the room. It was dubious as an appropriate placement from the outset, but the ecological factors of the on-campus setting weren't a problem during distance learning.   It wasn't until our student, who not only has autism, but also ADHD, started attending on-campus, which required him to be in transport between home and school for a total of five hours per day, and then attempt to behave in a socially appropriate manner among other students with serious mental and emotional health needs, that things really fell apart. He might as well have been put into a rocking chair in a room full of long-tailed cats.   The harm was inevitable. And, as always, he's being blamed and vilified while no one from his school district offers something appropriate to his needs. We're hoping the interim placement he has for now will benefit him more than where he's been, but it's still less than ideal. It may take a judge to figure it all out.   I've had two other students on my caseload face expulsion just within the last few weeks. One student's case just recently settled after the involved school district attempted to assert that behaviors that were clearly associated with the student's disabilities somehow magically were not, during a Manifestation Determination (MD) IEP meeting.   The only way for a parent to appeal an MD IEP meeting outcome is to file for due process. Because the student is facing expulsion, the hearing is automatically expedited. This gives parents very little time to prepare for hearing, much less find adequate representation.   I was able to refer this family to an attorney right away who was able to handle the MD appeal via due process. We were lucky to find a really good attorney who could take the case right away and handle it. Most of my attorney colleagues are overwhelmed with the volume of cases they are getting, right now. The violations are everywhere, evidently, and this failure to provide in-person services during shutdown when they truly were needed seems to be a recurring theme.   This case settled because we were able to move quickly through the process and find a good attorney who could handle going to an expedited hearing if necessary or otherwise negotiate an appropriate settlement. Not everybody is having that same experience, these days. This family was lucky. The violations in this student's case were pretty egregious and the attorney was able to convince the involved school district that it wasn't worth going to hearing.   My other student facing expulsion still awaits a decision from school site administration as to whether the principal should just let the IEP team effect a change in placement for special education reasons rather than subject this student to expulsion proceedings. Again, the involved school district tried to claim that the student's disability had nothing to do with the behaviors, which was simply ridiculous.   The student already had behavioral interventions built into his IEP to address the very kinds of behaviors for which he was in trouble. He had a history of escalating to the most outlandish behaviors he could think of to come right up to the line and just barely cross it enough to get himself kicked out of school to avoid the instruction. He hated it that much.   He had transitioned to his current placement in a Special Day Class (SDC) for special education students with behavioral challenges from a special school where all the students had behavioral challenges at the start of the 2019-20 school year and had been largely successful for most of that school year, until the shutdown started in March 2020. During that time, his targeted behaviors of work refusals and avoiding the classroom setting altogether were entirely reinforced by being stuck at home on the computer while the aides from his SDC were also in their own homes using their district's online meeting platform.   There was no one in his home trained in the interventions that were necessary to compel his compliance with teacher directions. There was no one who could make him even login. He had a baby sister at home and his mother was not about to have him triggered into angry outbursts in the home by trying to convince him to participate in the instruction with a baby in the house. Further, his mother was medically fragile and required multiple surgeries throughout the shutdown and afterwards. She was in no position to handle the angry outburst of a frustrated teenager with no impulse control due to ADHD struggling with the work because of a co-morbid learning disability.   We have a complaint pending before one of his school district's regulatory agencies in response to its mishandling of his behavioral needs to date. He is now pending expulsion for a behavior we're fairly convinced he engaged in so as to be kicked out of school. We don't believe he ever had any intent to hurt anyone, but he did enough wrong for someone who doesn't understand the function of his behaviors to think he might pose a credible threat. Law enforcement determined he posed no threat. It appears that district personnel may have exaggerated the severity of the behavior on purpose to justify expulsion.   All that said, the expulsion case may be dismissed if the district agrees to simply let the IEP team refer this student back to his previous placement at the special school. It was successful in preparing him for his transition to a comprehensive high school placement before shutdown; it should be able to return him to that state and help him transition back, again, with success. We also have a ton of new assessments pending to figure out what the most appropriate IEP for him should be, going forward.   This situation may deescalate before it has time to turn into a full kerfuffle. If we can all just agree to work together to address this student's serious behavioral regression through the IEP process and avoid the expulsion process altogether, particularly given that this district is being looked at very closely by one of its regulators right now for failing to adequately support this student thus far, already, we can implement a solution that will eliminate the parent's need to pursue accountability.   The goal isn't to nail the school district's hide to the wall; the goal is to get the student appropriately served as quickly as possible. Nailing hides to walls should only take place if it's absolutely necessary to get a student appropriately served as quickly as possible. It's a last resort option.   I have yet another student whose case is pending settlement, hopefully. It would be foolish on the part of his school district to allow it to go to hearing. I can't discuss much about it while it's pending settlement, but suffice it to say his school district totally blew it by failing to provide in-person behavioral services and supports during shutdown.   He has a host of learning challenges including partial vision loss, severe autism, intellectual disability, a seizure disorder, extremely limited communication skills, and self-injurious behaviors that frequently result in property damage in his home. His windows now have Plexiglas® panes and the dry wall in his home has been replaced so often, his family has lost count. He has made frequent trips to the emergency room and urgent care for medical treatment after hurting himself during an outburst. He has hurt his petite mother by accident.   He's now a young adult who is still eligible for special education and he's had these behavioral challenges his entire life. He's been a student of the same school district his entire public education career. It's not like they don't know what he needs. Before shutdown, he received intensive 1:1 and 2:1 behavioral supports throughout the school day to keep him safe and engaged in the instruction. He got none of that at home during shutdown.   His mother was left to be his 1:1 aide support during distance learning over a computer while his actual aide support staff stared back at him from the screen from their own homes. He was immediately triggered into violent outbursts because he didn't understand why he wasn't at school with these people instead of looking at them on a computer screen. His participation in distance learning had to stop immediately for his own safety and that of his mother. It's been a struggle ever since to get an offer of appropriate services in his IEP as a prospective matter of FAPE, much less with respect to all of the compensatory remedies he's due.   This student's case has been referred to a different attorney than the one mentioned above, but also an amazingly talented and smart one. Because settlement terms are still being discussed, I can't speak much further to the matter, but I think the point is made that this is happening way too much. We've got too many kids who didn't get what they needed during shutdown who are now owed compensatory remedies and they have until March 2022 to file for due process on their claims.   Special education attorneys who represent families are working at capacity with respect to their caseloads. That said, there have now been enough cases litigated and settled since the increase in claims began that openings are starting to come on many caseloads. Others are bogged down by appeals, which are largely occurring in the federal District Courts.   Some attorneys are having an easier time these days than others, just depending on whether they get good judges at the due process level, or have to work the appeals system before they get to someone willing to take the time to really listen to the arguments and examine the evidence relative to the rule of law and applicable science. That's always the chance that attorneys take with these cases, and it's not fun to work the appeals, I promise you.   I've provided paralegal support on cases all the way up to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and there is nothing more tedious than a Table of Uncontroverted Facts, because there are always facts that become controverted between the parties. The back-and-forth between the parties about what facts were agreed to, which ones were disputed, and all the references to the evidence and testimony on the existing record from the original due process case and previous appeal to the District Court that supposedly supported each party's asserted facts, became one of the most exhausting exercises I've ever engaged in as professional. I have ADHD – Inattentive Type, myself, so trust me when I say it was grueling.   Litigation should always be the very last resort to solving a special education problem, but these days it's been necessary. For those of you finding yourselves in similar circumstances, I'd like to share a decision from the California Office of Administrative Hearings (OAH).   I downloaded the PDF of this decision just in case it ever gets taken down in the future, and have uploaded it to our site. Click here to download the PDF of this due process decision from California in which the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) found in favor of a student who was deprived of educationally necessary in-person behavior services during shutdown, if the link to the OAH site doesn't work. In this case, the ALJ ordered compensatory services as remedies to the student.   If this decision can help you argue for resolution to your own child's lost educational benefits during shutdown, whether via due process or just a sensible discussion with your school district's representatives, it will have served its purpose as a persuasive authority on the subject. If you find it necessary to hire an attorney to file for due process over shutdown-related deprivation of educational benefits, be sure to share this authority with your attorney. They may have very well already seen it, but if you can relate the facts of your own child's case to the facts of this due process case linked to here, you will help bring your attorney up to speed regarding your child's claims, so you can timely file your case before March 2022.   You may also choose to use this decision to support your arguments as you advocate for your own child in the IEP process as a parent. If you share this decision with your school district's IEP team members and relate the facts of your child's situation to the similar facts in this due process case, presuming your child's case follows a similar pattern of a denial of behavioral services from his/her IEP during shutdown, your school district may be compelled to work with you rather than have you lawyer up and then have to deal with the costs of a legal action.   Parents' attorneys' fees and costs can be recovered from the offending school districts as a condition of settlement or upon prevailing in due process or appeal. School districts are smart to work things out through Informal Dispute Resolution (IDR) Agreements or Confidential Settlement Agreements, if they can. The costs of due process and any subsequent litigation are far too great for taxpayers to fund when those dollars could be spent on educating children, instead. Spending education dollars on fights over the deprivation of educational benefits just adds insult to injury, honestly.   The evidence is increasingly making clear that far-right politics have way too much influence on public education at various levels of government, from local to state to federal education agencies. This is how public service was infiltrated at its weakest point. Extremists would get elected by an uniformed or misinformed electorate, then hire their cronies to work for them within their agencies, undermining the efficacy of local government while mishandling the finances in order to “prove” that government doesn't work while arguing for increased local control and reduced regulatory oversight.   Then they pay themselves more than they'd ever earn in the private sector where job performance matters as they slash resources to those expected to actually deliver on the agency's mandates who work beneath them. This is the climate in which special education violations occur. This is why public agencies defy the regulations to the detriment to some of our most vulnerable children, many of whom coming from low-income households whose parents are often at a loss as to how to fight back. Most parents won't do anything because they don't know what to do and don't realize how badly their children are being hurt in the long run.   If you are a parent whose child did not get appropriate services during shutdown, and who has regressed and may require compensatory services to be brought back to where he/she should be in school, right now, you're not alone. Whether you negotiate resolution on your own with you local education agency or hire someone to help you, know that many other parents have already started to fight this same fight before you, and some really helpful decisions are coming out of the various venues that can help bolster the arguments you and/or your representatives make on behalf of your child.   I hope this helps you put your own child's situation into perspective and gives you some ideas on how to go forward in the most constructive and least adversarial way possible. I can only imagine the other families' stories that out there similar to the ones I've described and the case captured by the decision linked to above. All of you are in my heart and I'm praying for you all.

Talk Art HOLIDAYS SPECIAL!!! This very special episode was recorded from Pace Gallery, New York!!! We are proud to collaborate again with BMW to bring you a conversation with iconic artist Jeff Koons. We discuss Jeff's passion for art which he discovered at an early age, we discuss his student years in Chicago and working for Ed Paschke, whose technicolor renderings of superheroes and other pop icons were an early source of inspiration. We learn of Koons's first job at the Museum of Modern Art, and his first major works that invoked commodity fetishism: titled The New, they comprised vacuum cleaners displayed on or in Plexiglas boxes over grids of fluorescent light. We explore why he chose stainless steel and reflective surfaces within his most celebrated sculptures and how art can truly change lives.Jeff Koons' latest collaboration with BMW is THE 8 X JEFF KOONS, a hand-painted limited interpretation of a BMW M850i xDrive. The special edition BMW will debut in spring, but we met with Koons to discuss how and why this exclusive vehicle came into being. And as we soon learned: It's about more than just the car. The 8 Series Gran Coupe will be for sale in a limited collector's edition after its world premiere at Frieze Los Angeles in February 2022. In 2010, Koons created a unique BMW M3 GT2 Art Car which performed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans race. The Koons BMW M3 GT2 is now part of the BMW Art Car collection (➜ Read also: The history of BMW Art Cars), placing the artist in the same category as fellow BMW Art Car creators like Andy Warhol, Alexander Calder, Roy Lichtenstein, and David Hockney, to name a few.That same year, the rock singer Bono from U2 wrote in an editorial for the New York Times that Jeff Koons should have a part in designing the car of the future. BMW and Koons continued the conversation and are now proud to announce their latest collaboration at the invitation of Angelika Nollert, director of Neue Sammlung – The Design Museum, in Munich's Pinakothek der Moderne.Follow @JeffKoons and @PaceGallery for more information. Visit http://www.jeffkoons.com/ and for more information on his new car with BMW: https://www.bmw.com/en/design/bmw-8-x-jeff-koons.htmlSpecial thanks to @BMWUK and @BMWGroupCulture for this extraordinary trip to see such inspiring art! And happy birthday to @BMWGroupCulture for 50 years of cultural engagement. We can't wait to see more exciting projects in the new year… Thanks for listening everyone!! Have a wonderful holidays... see you for more Talk Art adventures in 2022!!!!For images of all artworks discussed in this episode visit @TalkArt. Talk Art theme music by Jack Northover @JackNorthoverMusic courtesy of HowlTown.com We've just joined Twitter too @TalkArt. If you've enjoyed this episode PLEASE leave us your feedback and maybe 5 stars if we're worthy in the Apple Podcast store. For all requests, please email talkart@independenttalent.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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In this episode, Physical Therapist at Kelly Hawkins Physical Therapy, Meagan Duncan, talks about creating safe spaces for the LGBTQ+ community. Today, Meagan talks about trauma-informed care, navigating trauma during the subjective exam, and the importance of consent. How can PTs make clinics safe spaces for the LGBTQ+ community? Hear about the discrimination faced by the LGBTQ+ community, doing community advocacy work, and get Meagan's advice to her younger self, all on today's episode of The Healthy, Wealthy & Smart Podcast.   Key Takeaways “Gay men can undergo sexual violence at twice the rate of straight men. 50% of transgender people will experience some kind of sexual violence in their life. It's even more if they're a minority.” “Being trauma-informed is important in any discipline because you don't know what somebody has been through.” “I think it's about really small gestures.” “Starting with paperwork, gender has every option you can think of. If it's a paper form, gender's a blank space.” “We have small flag stickers for every flag that you can think of with all the colours that represent different parts of the LGBTQ+ community.” “Be more vigilant about asking for consent.” “Asking for consent is something that should be ongoing and all the time.” “Education is a big part of asking for consent, because in order to consent to something, people have to understand what it's going to entail.” “Providing options Is a really important part of consent.” “It's not patient-directed care. It's patient-centred care.” “Don't just go around touching people without consent.” “Find a niche. If you can find a niche that you are passionate about and that is needed, you are never going to struggle for work or for satisfaction.”   More about Meagan Duncan Meagan Duncan is a Chicagoland native who earned an associate degree as a Physical Therapist Assistant in 2013 from Kankakee Community College. She then worked for six years in an orthopaedic setting while earning a Bachelor's in Interdisciplinary Studies from Governor State University in Illinois. Later, she moved to Las Vegas to earn her Doctor of Physical Therapy degree from the University of Nevada Las Vegas in 2020. As a PTA, she developed and ran a pro bono clinic at her first post grad job in her hometown of Joliet, Illinois. She now practices in Las Vegas and specializes in pelvic health after completing a specialty clinical rotation with the VA Hospital in Las Vegas. Duncan currently works at Kelly Hawkins Physical Therapy, a prominent outpatient physical therapy company in the Las Vegas area. At Kelly Hawkins, she built a successful pelvic health program that she has overseen and grown over the past year and a half. Duncan also works for NPTE Final Frontier, a premier national physical therapy exam preparation company that works with domestic and foreign trained students to help them pass the board exam. In this role, she tutors PT and PTA exam candidates and assists them with content development. She advocates for students and professionals to balance life outside of physical therapy. Outside of her profession, Duncan enjoys hiking, biking, paddleboarding and anything she can do outdoors with her husband and dog. She is excited to welcome a new addition to her family soon, as her first child is due in a month.   Suggested Keywords Healthy, Wealthy, Smart, Physiotherapy, LGBTQ+, Inclusion, Trauma, Pain, Discrimination, Sexual Violence, Advocacy, Consent, Pelvic Health,   To learn more, follow Meagan at: Email:              mduncan@kellyhawkins.com Website:          https://www.kellyhawkins.com LinkedIn:         Meagan Duncan   Subscribe to Healthy, Wealthy & Smart: Website:                      https://podcast.healthywealthysmart.com Apple Podcasts:          https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/healthy-wealthy-smart/id532717264 Spotify:                        https://open.spotify.com/show/6ELmKwE4mSZXBB8TiQvp73 SoundCloud:               https://soundcloud.com/healthywealthysmart Stitcher:                       https://www.stitcher.com/show/healthy-wealthy-smart iHeart Radio:               https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-healthy-wealthy-smart-27628927   Read the Full Transcript Here:  00:02 Hey Megan, welcome to the podcast. I'm happy to have you on.   00:06 Hey, Karen, awesome to be here. Thank you for having me.   00:09 Yes. And like I said in the intro, today, we're going to be talking about creating physical therapy space, a safe spaces for the LGBTQ plus community. So before we talk a little bit more about that, can you let the listeners know where your passion for this community comes from?   00:27 For um, so I guess I feel like I'm just kind of a fan of the underdog in any situation. And I can't say that I have personally experienced, like so much in this community, aside from having a lot of relationships with people, and seeing what they go through and what life looks like on that side of our world, because it's a very different experience from what I've had as a heterosexual, white female. So when I was in high school, I just kind of ended up best friends with a gay man. And he kind of brought me into the circle of his friends, which ended up being just a really large, wonderful welcoming circle of people on all spectrums of the LGBTQ plus community. So I got really interested in just kind of gay rights and things like that went to marches and did all of that. Tried to advocate for the community as whatever I need to do as a 16 year old, which was not very much. And now I found myself in this position that I can do something which is awesome. And it's not even necessarily something I thought about when I went into the niche that I'm in. But I am really happy to be able to finally say that there's like some baggage behind this lifelong commitment that I kind of said that I had towards the community, but was never really doing anything about it other than like, your like Facebook posts here and there that talk about, you know, advocacy or supporting a community that's not well supported. So I'm happy to be able to do something about it now.   01:56 And let's talk about what you can do, or what we can do as physical therapists to help support this community, because I'm sure a lot of people may be listening to this and say, Well, what does the community need? That's so different from the rest of of other communities? So what is it about this community in particular, that perhaps they're more exposed to certain things? Or do they not get the care that they need? So go ahead, I'll pass the mic over to you.   02:27 Yeah, absolutely. So just discrimination in general, it's a problem in so many realms of social issues, being gender and sexual preference, of course, is one of those huge ones. So people feeling like or actually having less access to healthcare, getting denied health care, or getting given less than optimal treatment, or not really getting the best of their provider because of discrimination or because of biases that those providers have. Likewise, they might be afraid to go to facilities or go get treatments for things that are going through because they've experienced poor care before. So my niche actually, is pelvic floor physical therapy. And in this, there is so much that I can do for the community and physical therapists as well. And I was thinking about this podcast and thinking, what actually makes my job so different from the way everybody should be treating everyone. And I think there's a lot to learn, aside from just treating in pelvic floor PT. But in pelvic floor PT, I see a lot of people in the community because they are much more exposed to sexual violence and sexual trauma. And that correlates really significantly with pelvic floor dysfunctions. So we know from studies that gay men can undergo sexual violence at twice the rate of straight men, transgender people will usually experience about 50% of people will experience some kind of sexual violence in their life, which is a huge number 50%. And then it's even more if they're a minority. So that's a huge community of people where like, most of them need our help or need pelvic floor PT, or need more support than they're getting. So I think that we can play a big role in advocating for people and making spaces where they feel like are welcome. Or be that person that they can come to and after bad experience, bad experience or bad experience in healthcare, they can come to you and feel comfortable. And that's a really great feeling from my end. And I hope that other physical therapists out that out there feel better experienced that because it's awesome.   04:29 And you know, when you're talking about sexual trauma, or sexual assault within this community, I mean, the thing that sticks out to me is trauma. And so there is more and more research. And I think more and more people are now aware of trauma informed care. So can you share with us some of the principles of trauma informed care and why physical therapists should care?   04:56 Yeah, so this is kind of one of those things I was thinking about. trauma informed care and pelvic floor physical therapy is like, every class every time, we're always talking about every continuing ed course, because the nature of the work is so intimate, and very personal. And we're asking questions that make people uncomfortable, and hopefully not too much, but putting people in uncomfortable positions a lot of times, and it takes a lot for somebody to even come into my office to tackle these issues. But I think we should all be kind of treating in that same way. Because we don't really know like, of course, I know, when people come in for pelvic floor PT, they're probably uncomfortable. Like most of the time, people don't really like, want to be there. They're there because they need it. But that goes for a lot of things in physical therapy, right? Like people don't want to have back pain and come in and like, a lot of people don't want to get like touched and massage like, that's not what they intended on doing. But here they are, because they need it. So being trauma informed in any discipline is really important, because you just don't know what somebody has been through. So talking about trauma informed care, I think understanding a little bit more about trauma is probably a good place to start. So I do kind of think everybody should   06:10 reflect a little bit on what that means. So I was thinking of a good example. And I think that trauma can be kind of like pain, where we don't have a measurable, like objective measure for like, what pain is or what trauma is. So I know if a patient comes in says they're in six out of 10 pain, I have a patient with that same diagnosis that might say they're in two out of 10 pain. Or maybe I see, let's say I see somebody with a knee replacement. And I know that like a good healthy knee should have zero degrees extension, right. Or before they leave the hospital, we want them to have 90 degrees of flexion. But like I can't say to somebody, like you have a 15 degree trauma contracture. Like that doesn't make sense. There's no reference point that we know of other than what that person's experienced. So it's important to understand that trauma is different for each person. And some people could be really traumatized by an event. And some people could not really be traumatized by the same event. And that could depend on what factors they have in their cultural background in their other life experiences or the lens that they see things through. So somebody could experience their parents getting divorced, and maybe they came out of that fine. And they're like, Well, I came out of that fine. I don't know why it's so hard for everybody else. But you don't know what it was like to experience that with these other issues around you with being a minority or having financial distress or anything else like that. So understanding traumas is the most important part first. And then when we talk about trauma informed care. And this is from a Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, there's kind of the principles of trauma informed care, what does that mean? So the first part of that is to realize that trauma is a widespread issue. And it is invasive, and pervasive, and it affects people in a lot of different areas of their life. And then also realizing that there are pathways to potential recovery. After that, we should be able to recognize the five signs and symptoms of trauma. So recognize what is trauma look like? Sound like? How does that patient act? How can we pick up on if they're a traumatized individual. So seeing a patient being uncomfortable in your clinic, they might not make eye contact with you, they might not want to face you directly, you might see their body language is a little bit off, their arms are crossed. Things that we've all seen. We all have patients probably every day ranging anything from like that super bubbly, happy patient to the one that comes in and has done PT before and had bad experiences, and they're really unhappy. So recognizing what does that look like, and then responding by implementing that knowledge into practices and policies within just not just yourself, but the the facility as well. So using what you know, to actually change or adopt practices better, going to be more inviting or more informed and make more comfortable spaces for people that are traumatized. And then we have resisting retraumatization. And this, I think, is the most important part for us as clinicians. So thinking about what we can do to make an environment that does not correlate with any kind of trauma, anybody has had to make them have to revisit that. So and that could be anything again, like there's traumatic events that range from, you know, like really terrible sexual violence, and these are maybe things I hear about, but then there's also the trauma of like, having been misdiagnosed or having been told this or that by that provider or getting a hopeless diagnosis or being told that there's nothing that can be done for them. Those are things that we can actively try to resist re traumatizing that patient in. So being on honest and informative, making sure that we're not making false promise promises, but also that we're providing hope. And then thinking about what our space is like. And this is probably relative, maybe a little bit more for like LGBT, t plus LGBT plus community, where I am making sure that my space has signs that say All are welcome here. And things that make people feel invited, because they very possibly have had an experience before where they walk into a facility and like, immediately feel discriminated against or immediately feel like, this is not a place that I want to be here, this is not a place that's going to give me good care, and maybe the Carolinas without a dentist, but at any rate, they've experienced that and probably are very likely more than once. So I want to make sure that whatever I'm doing is not recreating any of that for them.   10:54 And when you are, understanding what trauma is, and really trying to understand the trauma of the person sitting in front of you, right, I would assume a lot of that comes through our subjective exam. So do you have any advice for therapists who are navigating these waters, even newer therapists perhaps are navigating or who maybe aren't, are not as well practiced in the art of the interview? Or in that process of, of that subjective exam? So do you have any like, what types of questions do you ask that kind of stuff?   11:34 Yeah, sure. Um, so I asked a lot of questions and pelvic floor PT. But I think the more important concept around that is, um, sometimes instead of asking questions, I, and that's not that we're talking at patients. But I do take a moment to do this. And if I am getting a sense from a patient, that they may have experienced trauma, that they're not going to share that with me. And that is probably more likely than not, especially on the first day, when I'm doing my initial evaluation, they don't know me, they don't trust me, they don't really want to share any of this with me, let alone even be there. So, a lot of times, I'll take the opportunity to talk about how trauma or how other experiences can relate to pain. So I might say to, let's say to my pelvic floor patients, I don't need to know or I don't need you to tell me any details or anything. But I am aware that trauma increases pelvic floor dysfunction increases pain, and it can really affect the way that people recover. So if there's anything that I can do during this treatment to make you more comfortable in any way, let me know if we need to stop anything. We're doing them, you know. So I might just take it as a piece of information, instead of asking a direct question, like making them tell me, maybe they'll do that later on in another session or two. Maybe I might need to know more at some point. But I've really never ran into that situation. A lot of patients will tell me the extent of it right there. They might do it another session or two. But it's not something that I really want to force out to people like day one, because if if I do that, like are they going to come back? Because that re traumatizing them? Have they been forced to talk about it before. I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm maybe not the person that they want to share all that with. So I want to make sure they have the open door to tell me about it. But I'm not like dragging it out of them.   13:22 Yeah, that's, that's wonderful advice. I really love that. And the other thing is, that I heard a couple of times during kind of these principles is creating that safe space, creating that space, where like you said, Everyone is welcome. How do you have any other tips and it could be from the person at the front desk all the way to, to the therapist and every employee in between? So are their conversations with the all the employees who work at the within that space? And and this may seem kind of like a silly question, but I think it's important, but colors on the wall artwork, things like that. I think it makes a difference. Right. So what do you what do you think?   14:10 Yeah, so I think that maybe places are a little bit hesitant to, like, fly this giant rainbow flag outside their door, right? Like, I would totally do it if I have my own clinic, but I recognize that I'm like, you know, working we're still working in a world that like from a business model. Maybe we don't want to do that because we want everyone to feel welcome, right? But it doesn't really take much. I think it's about really small gestures. So in our clinic, starting from paperwork, like they fill out paperwork online. And gender, for example, has every option that you can think of. If it is a paper form, gender is a blank space, so that blank space leaves people the option to write how they identify. And I love that option because That's even better than having to choose from like an overwhelming amount of options, or not finding the option that you're looking for. So a blank space for gender is fantastic. And then what we have in our clinic, like I said, small gestures, I think small gestures are really the thing, we have very small little flag stickers, like on the Plexiglas from our front office. Just little flag stickers for like every flag that you can think of, or it has like all the colors that represent different parts of LGBTQ plus community. So that little flag makes such a big difference, because I'll tell you, a lot of our patients are not going to notice it, like your patients that don't identify in any of those ways are not even going to notice it. But those people that do are going to see it, and they're going to love it. And we get compliments on that all the time. They think like, Oh, my God, people are so thankful for this little tiny sticker, we got like four pack on Amazon for like, probably a couple bucks, you know, just doesn't take much. And then another thing that we have in our waiting area is a sign that says All are welcome here. And that's such a simple thing, because that's not offending anybody that's making all people feel welcome. And people that are looking for that in their space, they know exactly what you're talking about when they see that fine. And everybody else is just like, oh, that's a nice thing. And they might not think very much of it. But it's certainly still a good thing to hear like, older people are welcome. Younger people are welcome. Everybody's welcome here. So it's really easy option.   16:29 And I love that these are all really easy, inexpensive, and accessible ways to show that you are working hard on creating a safe space for everyone. And like you said, a safe space for the LGBTQ plus community who oftentimes can't find those safe spaces.   16:48 Yeah, yeah. Another another small thing that I do personally, because I want my patients before I even go into their room maybe to like understand that I'm an advocate, I just have like a rainbow water bottle. And that's what I drink out of that work. And they see that sitting on my desk, and maybe some other stickers on like my laptop and stuff like that. But something that they might see like, Oh, that's my therapist, and they see like a rainbow water bottle. And it's just like a little thing that makes them feel more comfortable. I love it. I love my water bottle, so everybody's happy.   17:19 And do you go out physically into the community for advocacy work or as part of the clinic just so that people know that you're there? You know, like, how, how does that work within your community? Because I'm sure there are people who I mean, I'm in New York City, right? So I talk about like a large amount of people, right? So how do people know how to find? So how do people, especially in these marginalized communities know how to find the people who are creating spaces for them? Yeah,   17:49 so most communities, I'm in Las Vegas have support centers or community centers that support or provide or refer to services like my own or other providers that they know, create these safe spaces. So we have a support center here in Vegas, I've spoken to a little bit, I'm not necessarily within everybody's insurance providers. So that makes things a little bit harder. I'm in pelvic floor PT, I get so many patients from all over. And I've had a very long wait time, it's been tough to go out and mark it. And I'm also leaving for maternity leave actually in a couple of weeks. So I have plans for when I come back to reach out a little bit more, but I have been swarmed with what I have. But going out into these community centers, just letting them know who you are dropping off some cards, I have done that. And that is a really good way to at least get started. Get your name or your clinic out there. And maybe you're not what every person is looking for. But if they have your card handy, and they are providing social services to somebody, they might say, it sounds like you could benefit from this I know a great physical therapist that you could go to. And then, of course, we're a little bit bound by insurances. And that's definitely something I see in my future is trying to provide a little bit more preventive care to people that are uninsured or under insured. But that's probably a future problem for me at the moment. Right.   19:18 Right. And I think that's great advice. So if you're in a city, reach out to local community groups, community centers, things like that, and I think that's a great way for you to get out and in the community and really make a difference. And now there's one more thing that I want to talk about before we start wrapping things up. And that is the importance of asking patients for consent. So you touched on this a little bit, right? But especially in the pelvic floor world. Where does this explained explain to the to myself and to the listeners, how you go about asking for consent And why this   20:01 is yeah, this is definitely like if we can take home anything from if listeners could take home anything, it's to be more vigilant about asking for consent. And I can kind of trace this back to like how I've evolved in asking for consent. And I think about an IC O I think probably hope I'm probably not the only one guilty of this. But when I started, I started as a physical therapist assistant. So way back, when I graduated as a PTA, I went to work at a facility where the, the clinic was pretty manually aggressive, a lot of manual therapy, a lot of kind of aggressive manual therapy, which can be a little jarring for patients that are maybe not prepared for that. But I think about how many patients, I just went into the room and like started palpating, or like, Okay, I'm going to check this and then just like put my hands on them. And I think now about like how strange it would be to just like, grab somebody like psi SS without like telling them where you're going, like grabbing the back of their hips or having them like face a wall and then touching their back. And that can be like a very, that can like reiterate some traumatic events for people being grabbed from behind. That's, it's, I can't believe that I did this being the person that I am now. But I did, I did it every day all the time. And I never really thought about consent, I just figured the patient was there, maybe the provider before me had probably done similar the same things as a PTA, so I assumed PT had done the same. And I just think how crazy that is. Now, to me, it just is like so out there that I would have done that. Um, but asking for consent is something that should be ongoing and all the time. So from the initial evaluation, and education is a big part of asking for consent, I think too, because in order to consent to something, people have to understand what it's going to entail. And for me and pelvic floor, that's certainly relevant because I do do internal pelvic floor exams. So they need to know exactly what I'm going to be doing. And I use a model to demonstrate and to talk about what that's going to entail, and then discuss that they have the option to consent to that or to not consent to that, if they don't, there's other things that I can work on that I can help with. So I don't want them to feel pressured, that they have to consent to anything that I asked for. So consent, those should be informing the patient pretty much every step of the way. So instead of saying, I'm going to check your pelvic alignment, nobody knows what that means, like our patients don't know what that means. So I might ask, Is it okay with you if I touched the front of your hips, and then that's how I started just kind of simple and explaining in layman's terms, what I'm going to do. And a lot of times, I'm asking a patient or giving a patient options. And this is kind of part of trauma informed care is enabling or empowering the patient to make choices or have options. So instead of saying, say I want to do soft tissue work, instead of saying, I will be right back, I'm going to go grab some lotion, and then the patient knows I'm going to do soft tissue, but they didn't get an option to consent to that. I just went to go grab it. And now they feel like they're stuck there. And I'm going to come back with lotion and they're going to get a massage and they don't have a choice. So I might say, I would like to work on this. This is why. So we can do that. If you don't want to do that. We can work on mobility in this other way. So that way they have an option for what they want to do or how they want to do it. So providing options, I think is a really important part of concern. Um, I think yeah, I think that's mostly what I mean with consent.   23:42 Perfect. Yeah, I think that's great. And listen, I used to do the same thing. And I can't believe I did that either. Yeah, just like walking into a room and just like touching. Like, I wouldn't want someone to do that to me. I can't believe I did that.   23:55 I know. And I wonder is that like, a time? A time thing? Like 10 years ago? Was it just more like then we're just more informed now? Or was I just like totally oblivious? Because that's certainly   24:05 possible. I think it's just we're more informed now. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that, you know, and yeah, and and maybe a little bit of a being oblivious? I don't know. But you're right. Like, I would just come first of all stand up and you just be like, hands on the pelvis. And it's like, what is like, how, what, what was?   24:25 And like next to I think, like, we were just yeah, like not grabbing,   24:30 grabbing onto people's heads and everything. What's that about? I would never do that. Now. You know, even if I'm just going to touch someone's arm. I was like, I'm just gonna put my hands here if that's okay. And we're gonna. Yeah, it just makes so much more sense. And I love the fact that you tied that in with the patient education component. Because I think like you said, you can't have one without the other. It's just so important.   24:55 Right? And I think that we underestimate like how much the patient wants to be educated about things. So and that's a lesson, I think I've learned pelvic floor PT, because so many people did, like they don't even know they have a pelvic floor or what it does. So education's been a huge part of my practice, like the whole first session is really education and training, and bladder and bowel training and things like that. But patients want to know, they want to know all the details, like they love it, tell them so they know what you're doing. So they know if they want that done or not.   25:24 Yeah, absolutely. At your right patients want to know, and it doesn't matter the age, they want to know, what's going on with their bodies and and what they can do to be a part of it. So it's also a great way to empower your patient to understand and take control over their, over their bodies. You know, and and give, give the patient some autonomy and some confidence.   25:49 Yeah. And to give that the patient the opportunity to, like collaborate with you, instead of be told what's happening. So to have the opportunity for them to feel involved and to have a voice in their decision making and understand even why they're making a decision, like so that they might know. Yes, I do want this internal pelvic floor exam done. Because I want to know more about the tone of my pelvic floor so that I can know why I have pain or why I have difficulty emptying my bladder. I want them to be able to make that connection in their head and be able to consent to it. Knowing why.   26:21 Yeah. And it's all part of patient centered care. I mean, that's what we're all supposed to be doing. Right? Yeah, absolutely. It's not patient directed care. It's patient centered care.   26:33 Right. And just as relevant as it is for me and pelvic floor. I think it's the same anywhere else across the board.   26:39 Yeah, across the board. Absolutely. Well, I, you know, I want to thank you. I think this was a great conversation. I feel like I've definitely learned a little bit more about trauma informed care. So I thank you for that. Now, where can people find you? If let's say they have questions, they, you know, they want to know how they can implement some of the things you're doing in your clinic in their own clinics.   27:06 Yeah, sure. So I typically use my work email for anything like that. So that is M Duncan at Kelly hawkins.com. And I like I said, I'm not much of a social media person I wish I could say I was that's probably not the best way to contact me.   27:24 I know you're not missing anything. Don't worry about it.   27:27 Yeah, but I'm always happy to check emails and respond that way. For people trying to figure out where to start. I did want to mention CSM has a lot of great topics on this, I've certainly gotten a lot of information, or directed myself onto what things I'd like to learn more about by going to CSM and going to these discussions. There is some information on trauma informed care at CSM this year, as well as introductions to pelvic floor PT, for those that are interested. And there are always platforms and other lectures on what we can do for the LGBT Q plus community. Excellent.   28:04 Thank you so so much. And before we wrap up, I'll ask you the question I asked everyone. And that's knowing where you are now in your life and in your career, what advice would you give to your younger self?   28:14 That's fine to not just go around touching people.   28:18 Yeah. That advice to each other.   28:21 I think I'm fortunate that never really panned out to be anything too negative, but I would love to go back and not do that. But what I do tell people and recommend as far as career is to find a niche. So my niche is pelvic floor PT. Within that my niche is being passionate and treating the LGBTQ plus community treating patients that are transgender, that is a great niche to be in, not everybody is doing it, it is so needed. If you can find a niche that you're passionate about, and that is needed, you are never going to struggle for work or for satisfaction. Um, it really is kind of been if you build it, they will come situation. And people told that to me when I began pelvic floor pt. And that's what I did, I built a pelvic floor program, the company that I work for now. And like I said, I am very busy, very satisfied with the way my career has gone in. So find a niche and it's not something that every new student is going to know right away. But get out there and explore like go shadow and go find places that are outside your comfort zone. Like I wasn't I didn't think I was going to go into pelvic floor PT. I don't think a lot of us that end up in it do. It's maybe not something I would have thought to shadow I would have been like, that does not sound good. I don't want to do that. But again, outside your comfort zone, go shadow and find therapists that are doing things that you don't think you would ever do, and see if you can find somewhere that you're going to land and be successful.   29:50 I love it. That is great advice. Thank you so much, Megan. I really appreciate your time and your knowledge sharing with myself and the Audience So thank you so much yeah thank you and everyone thanks so much for tuning in and listening have a great couple of days and stay healthy Wealthy and Smart

President John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in Dallas, Texas on Friday, November 22, 1963. There was a chance that the horrific events of that day might not have happened at all had the weather been different. The day started out grey and overcast as the President arrived at the Airport in Dallas early that morning. A small amount of rain had fallen first thing in the morning with more forecast likely later in the day. That would have likely meant that a plexiglass bubble would have been used on the President's 1961 Lincoln Convertible to keep him and the First Lady dry. Those coverings were generally bullet-proof. As the motorcade was set to leave for the cross-town journey at 11:50am the weather turned bright and sunny and even warm for late November. The temperature climbed to near 70. Because of the break in the weather and the crowds that where lining the street the President decided not to go with the Plexiglas covering. Since the ride would only take less than an hour President Kennedy wanted to be able for the crowds to see him. Just as the motorcade slowed as it drove through Dealey Plaza at 12:30pm before turning onto a road that would allow the motorcade to speed up shoot rang out killing the 35th President of the United States and seriously injuring Texas Governor John Connally. Had the weather remined cloudy with light rain the whole scenario might never have taken place. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Den vollständigen Tagesdosis-Text (inkl. ggf. Quellenhinweisen und Links) findet ihr hier: https://apolut.net/warum-brauchen-corona-installationen-keinen-tuev-von-peter-haisenkoEin Kommentar von Peter Haisenko.In Deutschland darf man nicht einmal ein DIXI-Klo aufstellen, das keine TÜV-Zulassung hat. Dagegen ist keine der übereilt aufgebauten Installationen zum “Schutz gegen Corona” auf technische Sicherheit überprüft, ebenso wenig wie die “Schani-Gärten” am Straßenrand.Das “Corona-Jahr” 2020 war das Traumjahr für die Hersteller von Plexiglas. Noch nie war die Nachfrage für das durchsichtige Material größer. Jetzt hängt es überall herum und es lässt einen schaudern, wie es angebracht worden ist. An der Supermarktkasse wurde es zumeist einfach an der Deckenverkleidung angehängt, ohne zu prüfen, ob diese das tragen kann. In kleinen Geschäften an der Kasse sieht man Konstruktionen aus Holzklötzchen, die in abenteuerlicher Weise mit ein paar Schrauben und Klebeband das Plexiglas halten sollen. Sinnlos sind diese Konstruktionen auch noch, denn nach meiner Erfahrung laufen die Verkaufsaktionen neben diesen Wunderscheiben.Manche Restaurants haben Plastikscheiben zwischen Tischen oder Sitzplätzen installiert. Die werden schon oft nur mit Klebeband irgendwo fixiert oder stehen ebenfalls auf wackeligen Konstruktionen aus Holzklötzchen. ... hier weiterlesen: https://apolut.net/warum-brauchen-corona-installationen-keinen-tuev-von-peter-haisenko+++Apolut ist auch als kostenlose App für Android- und iOS-Geräte verfügbar! Über unsere Homepage kommen Sie zu den Stores von Apple, Google und Huawei. Hier der Link: https://apolut.net/app+++Abonnieren Sie jetzt den apolut-Newsletter: https://apolut.net/newsletter/+++Ihnen gefällt unser Programm? Informationen zu Unterstützungsmöglichkeiten finden Sie hier: https://apolut.net/unterstuetzen/+++Unterstützung für apolut kann auch als Kleidung getragen werden! Hier der Link zu unserem Fan-Shop: https://harlekinshop.com/pages/apolut+++Website und Social Media: Website: https://apolut.net/ Odysee: https://odysee.com/@apolut Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/apolut_net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/apolut_net Telegram: https://t.me/s/apolut Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/apolut/ Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/apolut Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

700   600 im Sept 2019 – da war die Welt noch weitestgehend in Ordnung ;) „Was wir vom Sterben lernen können – der Umgang mit der Ressource Zeit.“   100 Episoden sind ca. 2 Jahre gewesen. Was ist nicht alles in der Zeit passiert?!   Im Podcast habe ich sehr viele neue und geniale Gäste gehabt, von denen ich viel lernen durfte. Mein Projekt „Millionär werden in einem Jahr“ ist gestartet. (Warum habe ich dieses Projekt gestartet? => Simulierter Neustart)   Und wohl einer der einschneidensten äußeren Umstände die wir alle je erlebt haben. Ein Virus, der die Welt zeitweise einfach mal angehalten hat und so einen großen Teil unseres Lebens völlig auf den Kopf gestellt hat.   Was hätte ich anders gemacht, wenn ich das vorher gewusst hätte? – mal abgesehen von ein paar Investitionen in Firmen, welche Plexiglas, Handschuhe und Masken herstellen, hätte ich vermutlich nicht viel anders gemacht.   Wie schaut´s bei Dir aus? Hättest Du was anders gemacht? Wenn ja, was?!   Ich denke, dass wir auch aus diesem Szenario wieder lernen konnten, Dinge nicht zu lange aufzuschieben. Es muss ja nicht gleich der Fall sein, dass man Dinge nicht mehr tun kann, weil der Tod plötzlich zuschlägt. Nein, es kann auch einfach das Lieblingsrestaurant sein, welches plötzlich geschlossen hat. Ein lieb gewonnenes Urlaubsziel, welches man nicht mehr besuchen kann. Ein eigenes Unternehmen, welches man jetzt nicht mehr gründen kann.   Aber heißt das, dass jetzt alles schlecht und unmöglich ist? Nein, ganz sicher nicht. Aber es ist anders. Es ist „nur“ eine geänderte Lage. Wenn auch eine wesentliche. Aber jede Lageänderung bietet auch wieder neue Chancen. Die Frage hier ist, ob Du nach neuen Chancen Aussicht hältst oder ob Du der „guten alten Zeit“ hinterher trauerst?! Und dann stelle ich mir immer die Frage: Was kann ich JETZT tun, um in der Zukunft nicht der heutigen Zeit hinterher zu trauern?   Wir haben unseren Vater-Söhne-Tag eingeführt. Einmal pro Woche unternehmen mein Bruder und ich was gemeinsam mit unserem Papi. Denn je älter man wird, desto wertvoller wird unsere Zeit. Denn sie wird knapper. Und unser Papi ist schon 83 Jahre alt und noch top fit – hier ist die Zeit schon extrem wertvoll. Dazu kommt auch noch, dass in meinem Fall ja auch die räumliche Trennung vorhanden ist. Daher möchte ich die wenigen Wochen, welche wir jedes Jahr in Deutschland sind, so intensiv wie möglich nutzen. Unser Ziel ist es, gemeinsame Erlebnisse zu schaffen, an die man sich gerne erinnert. Kurz: Qualitäts-Zeit mit Menschen, die einem viel bedeuten. Denn oft sind es leider genau diese Menschen, die wir vertrösten, weil die am ehesten "dafür Verständnis" haben und "man es ja später immer nachholen kann". Doch irgendwann wird es kein später mehr geben...   In diesem Sinne hoffe ich, dass ich Dich mit dieser Episode wieder ein wenig inspirieren konnte und vielleicht führst ja auch Du jetzt einen regelmäßigen Termin mit Menschen ein, die Dir viel bedeuten.   Die nächsten 4 Episoden gibt es wieder spannende Interviews und im nächsten Solo berichte ich wieder vom Projekt „Millionär werden in einem Jahr“. Denn dort haben wir in einem Geschäftsbereich vor 2 Tagen unseren Beta Test gestartet und es gab auch gleich einige gravierende Probleme… aber dazu mehr in der nächsten Episode.     Erfolg kann man lernen. Jeder. Im Erfolgspodcast TomsTalkTime von Tom Kaules lernst Du in inspirierenden Interviews und einzelnen Storys die Strategien von erfolgreichen Unternehmern und Prominenten. Du lernst in Experten-Interviews wie erfolgreiche Menschen erfolgreich geworden sind und warum sie erfolgreich bleiben. Wie sie den richtigem Umgang mit Erfolg und auch den Umgang mit Niederlagen gelernt haben. Das richtige Mindset ist wichtig, um richtig viel Geld zu verdienen, glückliche Beziehungen führen, mit sich selbst im Einklang zu sein und dadurch Beruf und Familie bestens miteinander vereinbaren zu können. Einschalten. Zuhören. Sich motivieren und Inspirieren. Lernen. Tun. Erfolg haben.

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Joel Anderson, Stefan Fatsis, and Josh Levin talk about the end of the Tokyo Olympics. They also discuss NFL players who've refused to get the COVID vaccine, and what the league should do about it. Finally, author Simon Kuper explains the tearful end of Lionel Messi's brilliant career at F.C. Barcelona.   Olympics (3:31): The troubled 2020 Olympics could reset how fans view athletes and the games.   NFL (22:32): Kirk Cousins would rather surround himself with Plexiglas than get vaccinated.   Lionel Messi (42:12): Why did it have to end this way? And what's next for Messi and his longtime club?   Afterball (57:53): Joel on the tiny countries that bagged Olympics hardware for the first time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joel Anderson, Stefan Fatsis, and Josh Levin talk about the end of the Tokyo Olympics. They also discuss NFL players who've refused to get the COVID vaccine, and what the league should do about it. Finally, author Simon Kuper explains the tearful end of Lionel Messi's brilliant career at F.C. Barcelona.   Olympics (3:31): The troubled 2020 Olympics could reset how fans view athletes and the games.   NFL (22:32): Kirk Cousins would rather surround himself with Plexiglas than get vaccinated.   Lionel Messi (42:12): Why did it have to end this way? And what's next for Messi and his longtime club?   Afterball (57:53): Joel on the tiny countries that bagged Olympics hardware for the first time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wenn Magazine über die Preise von Spielen berichten, dann meist nur, um dem Leser einen lukrativen Affiliate-Link zu irgendeinem Versender unterzujubeln. Doch neulich war das anders. Jemand hatte Super Mario 64 für 1 Million 560.000 Dollar (1,32 Millionen Euro) ersteigert. Wahnsinn. Warum? Besteht dieses Spiel aus Gold statt aus Bits und Plastik? Keineswegs. Es handelt sich um ein ganz normales Exemplar, das vor 25 Jahren im Laden zum Verkauf hätte stehen können. Was es mit damit auf sich hat, möchte Onkel Jo mit Eurogamer-Chefredakteur Martin Woger aufklären. Der passionierte Kenner der Videospieleszene gibt euch einige spannende Einblicke. Welchen Einfluss Corona darauf hat und ob es sich jetzt lohnt, Spiele im Keller zu bunkern – nach diesem Podcast wisst ihr Bescheid. Auch darüber, weshalb einige Sammler den Zustand ihrer Spiele in den Vereinigten Staaten bewerten und sie hinter Plexiglas versiegeln. Durch die Sendung führt wie immer das „Fast perfekte Inhaltsverzeichnis“™: 0:03:30 Vorstellung Martin Woger 0:05:35 Wieso ist Martin bei 1,1 Millionen Dollar ausgestiegen? 0:06:46 Eingeschweißte Spiele: die Glaubensfrage 0:08:47 Martin schnuppert live teure Retro-Luft 0:13:01 Fabrikneu bedeutet keineswegs Topzustand 0:15:03 Die aktuelle Entwicklung und Super Mario 64 0:18:23 Weshalb verkauft sich ein Spiel für 1,5 Millionen Dollar? 0:24:43 Youtube und das Alter der Sammler 0:27:50 Viele glauben Gold im Keller zu lagern 0:30:24 So werden Preise manipuliert 0:38:40 Was ist dieses "Graden" von WATA oder VGA? 0:57:54 Die Definition von Sammler 1:05:04 Ein vorläufiges Fazit 1:08:04 Märchenstunde: „Eine Studie in Schwarz-Weiß“ von Fiona Schulz 1:10:20 Der Abschied für heute

Dans l'épisode d'aujourd'hui, nous avons partagé vos histoires où la météo vous a joué des tours et nous avons partagé ce message viral d'un résidant de la Gaspésie qui fait une mise en garde aux touristes qui se croient plus forts que le fleuve ! Une jeune fille croyait bien faire en identifiant les mauvais produits aux caisses libre-service et pénurie de motoneige en juillet ! Bonne écoute.

Nearly everything is fine in moderation. Plastics exploded as an industry in the post World War II boom of the 50s and on - but goes back far further. A plastic is a category of materials called a polymer. These are materials comprised of long chains of molecules that can be easily found in nature because cellulose, the cellular walls of plants, comes in many forms. But while the word plastics comes from easily pliable materials, we don't usually think of plant-based products as plastics. Instead, we think of the synthetic polymers. But documented uses go back thousands of years, especially with early uses of natural rubbers, milk proteins, gums, and shellacs. But as we rounded the corner into the mid-1800s with the rise of chemistry things picked up steam. That's when Charles Goodyear wanted to keep tires from popping and so discovered vulcanization as a means to treat rubber. Vulcanization is when rubber is heated and mixed with other chemicals like sulphur. Then in 1869 John Wesley Hyatt looked for an alternative to natural ivory for things like billiards. He found that cotton fibers could be treated with camphor, which came from the waxy wood of camphor laurels. The substance could be shaped, dried, and then come off as most anything nature produced. When Wesley innovated plastics most camphor was extracted from trees, but today most camphor is synthetically produced from petroleum-based products, further freeing humans from needing natural materials to produce goods. Not only could we skip killing elephants but we could avoid chopping down forests to meet our needs for goods. Leo Baekeland gave us Bakelite in 1907. By then we were using other materials and the hunt was on for all kinds of materials. Shellac had been used as a moisture sealant for centuries and came from the female lac bugs in trees around India but could also be used to insulate electrical components. Baekeland created a phenol and formaldehyde solution he called Novolak but as with the advent of steel realized that he could change the temperature and how much pressure was applied to the solution that he could make it harder and more moldable - thus Bakelite became the first fully synthetic polymer. Hermann Staudinger started doing more of the academic research to explain why these reactions were happening. In 1920, he wrote a paper that looked at rubber, starch, and other polymers, explaining how their long chains of molecular units were linked by covalent bonds. Thus their high molecular weights. He would go on to collaborate with his wife Magda Voita, who was a bonanist and his polymer theories proven. And so plastics went from experimentation to science.  Scientists and experimenters alike continued to investigate uses and by 1925 there was even a magazine called Plastics. They could add filler to Bakelite and create colored plastics for all kinds of uses and started molding jewelry, gears, and other trinkets. They could heat it to 300 degrees and then inject it into molds. And so plastic manufacturing was born. As with many of the things we interact with in our modern world, use grew through the decades and there were other industries that started to merge, evolve, and diverge.  Éleuthère Irénée du Pont had worked with gunpowder in France and his family immigrated to the United States after the French Revolution. He'd worked with chemist Antoine Lavoisier while a student and started producing gunpowder in the early 1800s. That company, which evolved into the modern DuPont, always excelled in various materials sciences and through the 1920s also focused on a number of polymers. One of their employees, Wallace Carothers, invented neoprene and so gave us our first super polymer in 1928. He would go on to invent nylon as a synthetic form of silk in 1935. DuPont also brought us Teflon and insecticides in 1935. Acrylic acid went back to the mid-1800s but as people were experimenting with combining chemicals around the same time we saw British chemists John Crawford and Rowland Hill and independently German Otto Röhm develop products based on polymathy methacrylate. Here, they were creating clear, hard plastic to be used like glass. The Brits called theirs Perspex and the Germans called theirs Plexiglas when they went to market, with our friends back at DuPont creating yet another called Lucite.  The period between World War I and World War II saw advancements in nearly every science - from mechanical computing to early electrical switching and of course, plastics. The Great Depression saw a slow-down in the advancements but World War II and some of the basic research happening around the world caused an explosion as governments dumped money into build-ups. That's when DuPont cranked out parachutes and tires and even got involved in building the Savannah Hanford plutonium plant as a part of the Manhattan Project. This took them away from things like nylon, which led to riots. We were clearly in the era of synthetics used in clothing.  Leading up to the war and beyond, every supply chain of natural goods got constrained. And so synthetic replacements for these were being heavily researched and new uses were being discovered all over the place. Add in assembly lines and we were pumping out things to bring joy or improve lives at a constant clip. BASF had been making dyes since the 1860s but chemicals are chemicals and had developed polystyrene in the 1930s and continued to grow and benefit from both licensing and developing other materials like Styropor insulating foam.    Dow Chemical had been founded in the 1800s by Herbert Henry Dow, but became an important part of the supply chain for the growing synthetics businesses, working with Corning to produce silicones and producing styrene and magnesium for light parts for aircraft. They too would help in nuclear developments, managing the Rocky Flats plutonium triggers plant and then napalm, Agent Orange, breast implants, plastic bottles, and anything else we could mix chemicals with. Expanded polystyrene led to plastics in cups, packaging, and anything else. By the 60s we were fully in a synthetic world. A great quote from 1967's “The Graduate” was “I want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? Plastics.” The future was here. And much of that future involved injection molding machines, now more and more common. Many a mainframe was encased in metal but with hard plastics we could build faceplates out of plastic. The IBM mainframes had lots of blinking lights recessed into holes in plastic with metal switches sticking out. Turns out people get shocked less when the whole thing isn't metal.  The minicomputers were smaller but by the time of the PDP-11 there were plastic toggles and a plastic front on the chassis. The Altair 8800 ended up looking a lot like that, but bringing that technology to the hobbyist. By the time the personal computer started to go mainstream, the full case was made of injection molding. The things that went inside computers were increasingly plastic as well. Going back to the early days of mechanical computing, gears were made out of metal. But tubes were often mounted on circuits screwed to wooden boards. Albert Hanson had worked on foil conductors that were laminated to insulating boards going back to 1903 but Charles Ducas patented electroplating circuit patterns in 1927 and Austrian Paul Eisler invented printed circuits for radio sets in the mid-1930s. John Sargrove then figured out he could spray metal onto plastic boards made of Bakelite in the late 1930s and uses expanded to proximity fuzes in World War II and then Motorola helped bring them into broader consumer electronics in the early 1950s. Printed circuit boards then moved to screen printing metallic paint onto various surfaces and Harry Rubinstein patented printing components, which helped pave the way for integrated circuits. Board lamination and etching was added to the process and conductive inks used in the creation might be etched copper, plated substrates or even silver inks as are used in RFID tags. We've learned over time to make things easier and with more precise machinery we were able to build smaller and smaller boards, chips, and eventually 3d printed electronics - even the Circuit Scribe to draw circuits. Doug Engelbart's first mouse was wood but by the time Steve Jobs insisted they be mass produceable they'd been plastic for Englebart and then the Alto. Computer keyboards had evolved out of the flexowriter and so become plastic as well. Even the springs that caused keys to bounce back up eventually replaced with plastic and rubberized materials in different configurations.  Plastic is great for insulating electronics, they are poor conductors of heat, they're light, they're easy to mold, they're hardy, synthetics require less than 5% of the oil we use, and they're recyclable. Silicone, another polymer, is a term coined by the English chemist F.S. Kipping in 1901. His academic work while at University College, Nottingham would kickstart the synthetic rubber and silicone lubricant industries. But that's not silicon. That's an element and a tetravalent metalloid at that. Silicon was discovered in 1787 by Antoine Lavoisier. Yup the same guy that taught Du Pont. While William Shockley started off with germanium and silicon when he was inventing the transistor, it was Jack Kilby and Robert Noyce who realized how well it acted as an insulator or a semiconductor it ended up used in what we now think of as the microchip. But again, that's not a plastic… Plastic of course has its drawbacks. Especially since we don't consume plastics in moderation. It takes 400 to a thousand years do decompose many plastics. The rampant use in every aspect of our lives has led to animals dying after eating plastic, or getting caught in islands of it as plastic is all over the oceans and other waterways around the world. That's 5 and a quarter trillion pieces of plastic in the ocean that weighs a combined 270,000 tons with another 8 million pieces flowing in there each and every day. In short, the overuse of plastics is hurting our environment. Or at least our inability to control our rampant consumerism is leading to their overuse. They do melt at low temperatures, which can work as a good or bad thing. When they do, they can release hazardous fumes like PCBs and dioxins. Due to many of the chemical compounds they often rely on fossil fuels and so are derived from non-renewable resources. But they're affordable and represent a trillion dollar industry. And we can all do better at recycling - which of course requires energy and those bonds break down over time so we can't recycle forever. Oh and the byproducts from the creation of products is downright toxic. We could argue that plastic is one of the most important discoveries in the history of humanity. That guy from The Graduate certainly would. We could argue it's one of the worst. But we also just have to realize that our modern lives, and especially all those devices we carry around, wouldn't be possible without plastics and other synthetic polymers. There's a future where instead of running out to the store for certain items, we just 3d print them. Maybe we even make filament from printed materials we no longer need. The move to recyclable materials for packaging helps reduce the negative impacts of plastics. But so does just consuming less. Except devices. We obviously need the latest and greatest of each of those all the time!  Here's the thing, half of plastics are single-purpose. Much of it is packaging like containers and wrappers. But can you imagine life without the 380 million tons of plastics the world produces a year? Just look around right now. Couldn't tell you how many parts of this microphone, computer, and all the cables and adapters are made of it. How many couldn't be made by anything else. There was a world without plastics for thousands of years of human civilization. We'll look at one of those single-purpose plastic-heavy industries called fast food in an episode soon. But it's not the plastics that are such a problem. It's the wasteful rampant consumerism. When I take out my recycling I can't help but think that what goes in the recycling versus compost versus garbage is as much a symbol of who I want to be as what I actually end up eating and relying on to live. And yet, I remain hopeful for the world in that these discoveries can actually end up bringing us back into harmony with the world around us without reverting to luddites and walking back all of these amazing developments like we see in the science fiction dystopian futures.

Weil wir immer so gut organisiert sind, haben wir verpennt euch zu sagen, dass wir anstatt einer Sommerpause in den nächsten Wochen nur 14tägig den Podcast veröffentlichen - Sorry und so. Dafür geht's in dieser Folge wieder gefühlt um 243 Themen

Les conditions de travail dans les abattoirs; le retour sur le sommet Biden et Poutine; l'absence de plan pour conserver ou disposer de tous les panneaux de plexiglas après la pandémie; le point sur la situation de COVID-19 à Montréal; la nomination du nouveau juge à la Cour suprême; la gare de L'Épiphanie partie en fumée dans l'indifférence; une cyberattaque au CIUSSS de l'Est-de-l'Île-de-Montréal; l'histoire de la fatigue en cette ère de déconfinement; et les mesures sanitaires après la pandémie.

This week we are catching up on Tamara's recent travels around New England -- from a girlfriend getaway in Vermont to glamping in Massachusetts and New Hampshire. About Safe Travels Kit Our sponsor this week is Safe Travels Kit. Founded by New York fashion executive and avid globetrotter, Adriana Martone, the Safe Travels Kit is a patent pending, first-to-market travel and airline bedding kit that launched in December 2020. After a horrific experience with a dirty airplane seat, Adriana thought something more needed to be done to create more sanitary, comfortable travel experiences for all. Hence, the Safe Travels Kit brand was born.  Now, when travelers set off on a vacation or business trip, instead of worrying about encountering unsanitary surroundings, they can journey in comfort and serenity, resting on the Safe Travels Kit super-soft seat covers and pillowcases, made from high-tech fabric that prevents germs from penetrating. Each kit costs $39.95 and contains: One lightweight, washable, compact travel pouch (weighs .7 ounces) one seat cover that fits planes (economy and business class seats), trains, and cars; One standard size pillow case (made of the same material as the seat cover); 10 individually wrapped sanitising wipes; and One surgical face mask. New England Trip Tips Many state tourism boards have put together different trails that make it easy to plan a trip. Vermont has a cheese trail, beer trail, covered bridges trail, and more. The visitor center or the visitor's board website can provide a lot of information and sometimes coupons. Tamara has a good post on We3Travel with her itinerary for planning a Vermont road trip and read more about her weekend getaway on YourTimetoFly.com. Brattleboro, Vermont is a hip artsy town. Bennington, Vermont is a historic town in Southern Vermont. Manchester, Vermont has a lot to do in town and nearby and Tamara has a post about things to do in Manchester. Lye Brook Falls is a great hike just outside of Manchester. The Mountain Inn in Killington was perfect for a girls' trip. They have a restaurant and distillery on-site and have renovated the rooms to be trendy. In the winter they have a dining experience to eat in a gondola. Cold Hollow Cider Mill has great apple cider donuts and hard cider tastings. Bring along a cooler or cooler bag with ice packs to be able to bring home cheese and other goodies. Morse Farm near Montpelier does a maple syrup tasting. Auto Camp is a glamping resort that offers airstream camping, safari tents, and X Suites. There are locations in Sonoma, Yosemite, Zion, and now Cape Cod. You can read Tamara's full review of Auto Camp Cape Cod on YourTimetoFly. See other places to go glamping in New England. You can read about Tamara's trip to the Tuxbury Tiny House Village in New Hampshire on We3Travel, which is not far from Newburyport, Massachusetts and Portsmouth, New Hampshire. The Kimpton Hotel Monaco has a great location in Old City Philadelphia. It is a great hotel right next to all the historic sites like Independence Hall. Stay tuned next week to hear more about Tamara's trip to Maine! Full Episode Transcript [00:00:00.240] - Kim Tate Today, we're checking in with Tamara about her recent travels to New England.   [00:00:16.710] - Announcer Welcome to Vacation Mavens. A family travel podcast with ideas for your next vacation and tips to get you out the door. Here are your hosts, Kim from Stuffed Suitcase and Tamara from We3Travel.   [00:00:32.040] - Kim Tate Today's episode is sponsored by Safe Travels Kit. And as some of you may know, we are a family that deals with food allergies and the Safe Travels kit is perfect for those who are trying to protect themselves when they travel normally. I have to board the airplane in advance and wipe down our whole seat. And trust me, all the crevices around seats are not always the cleanest things. And the Safe Travels kit comes with an adjustable seat cover that covers the seat.   [00:00:57.100] - Kim Tate So I don't have to worry about all the germs and any food particles that may be there, as well as a super soft pillowcase and 10 sanitizing wipes that are perfect for helping me wipe down the tray table. And it even comes with one face mask. So if you guys are looking for a safe way to travel, you might want to check out the safe travels kit.   [00:01:14.960] - Tamara Gruber You know, I think about so many other kinds of germs, but I luckily don't have to deal with those allergens. So I never even thought of it for that reason. But really, I would love the security of knowing that those things are being kept away.   [00:01:27.570] - Kim Tate Definitely. Especially the spaces between chairs that can just get gross. So nice to know that this is an option for us. Great.   [00:01:33.570] - Tamara Gruber Well, everyone can check out Safe TravelsKit.com or check it out on Amazon.   [00:01:39.560] - Kim Tate So, Tamara, I, of course, follow you all over social media, and I've been very sad and feeling left out because you are just jet setting around New England and I have been stuck at home in Seattle. And so why don't you tell us all about some of the adventures you've been on lately?   [00:01:56.000] - Tamara Gruber I know I feel a little bit like a champagne. That was shook and then the cork was popped you know?   [00:02:01.130] - Kim Tate Well, exactly. It's like party vaccination rocks.   [00:02:05.720] - Tamara Gruber Totally.   [00:02:06.560] - Tamara Gruber I mean, it's just like it just has come about in that way. But there's definitely, I'm sure for everyone, like a lot of pent up demand for travel. And it just worked out like luckily Glenn is still not traveling for work. And so he's here to help out, you know, bring Hannah to and from school. So I've been able to go out and do some things on my own. But our first one was actually a Mother's Day thing.   [00:02:27.170] - Tamara Gruber So one night Glenn was asking, like, you know, what would you want to do for Mother's Day? Do you want to go for brunch or, you know, these things? And I kind of looked at him and I'm like, how do I tell them I just want to go away, like, without them? So I did. Yeah. So I was like, you know, I really just want to go somewhere. And Vermont had recently reopened to people that were vaccinated.   [00:02:49.970] - Tamara Gruber And I have wanted to go to Vermont like all last summer, but I couldn't because of the travel restrictions. So I asked a friend of mine who had also said, like, hey, when we're vaccinated, like, we should do something. So she's a teacher and she's had, of course, like a really very stressful year. So I was like, would you want to go to Vermont? She's like, absolutely. And so I planned it.   [00:03:12.740] - Tamara Gruber And I was like, Do you want to know anything that we're doing or should I just surprise you? And she was like, I have so much to deal with. I would be happy with whatever you do. And I know she's like she's someone that she likes to travel. She loves checking out new things. She's kind of like up for anything type of person anyway. So I just, like, went crazy. And I was like going through all these like, oh, like Vermont has a cheese trail and they have a beer trail and they have a, you know, like covered bridges trail.   [00:03:38.600] - Tamara Gruber And I'm like, how can I, like, fit a whole bunch in to, you know, like a long three day weekend.   [00:03:43.790] - Kim Tate So that's I like states do that when they do. I mean, that's become a thing. I remember remember that long time ago you and I did that press trip to Jefferson Parish. Louisiana. And they had like an oyster trail. And I just think it's it's really cool how, you know, states do that. It kind of gives you a cohesive theme and very organized literature to help you learn how to kind of explore.   [00:04:09.360] - Tamara Gruber It does. You know, and I think a lot of times, like a lot of people really don't have time to plan things. And so you see something like that, you're like, oh, yeah, that sounds interesting. Like, let's go do it. And it's fun. Like, I know my sister and my brother, actually, both of them, they're part of this group of couples through their church where they always travel together like twice a year.   [00:04:26.960] - Tamara Gruber And my brother is the organizer. Imagine that one of the things that they do is like this chocolate. I don't know if it's like a scavenger hunt, but it's like one of these things, like the town hall sets up like different kind of chocolate related death by chocolate, I think it's called, and then makes you go visit like each of the businesses that are participating to get your little piece of chocolate at or whatever. So it's just a fun thing and like and now it's something that they look forward to.   [00:04:53.780] - Tamara Gruber Like we go and we do this together and it's our tradition.   [00:04:56.870] - Kim Tate Yeah, I think that's awesome. I think also a heads up to people just when you are planning to explore a new region, don't forget about the visitors bureaus and visitor centers of the city or town or state that you're planning to visit because they are there for visitors specifically and they have a lot of great information and can really help you make the most out of your trip. So a lot of it's online, but sometimes I find that going into their little visitor centers can be extremely useful.   [00:05:26.180] - Kim Tate Yeah, and that's done some great coupons.   [00:05:29.210] - Tamara Gruber Yeah, that's what I really want to do with Vermont, which I think is Vermont vacation dotcom. But we were coming up from Rhode Island, so it was kind of doing a lot of southern and central Vermont. But they have a lot of scenic byways, as you can imagine, because it's just a very it's just such a pretty state. It's one of my favorites in New England. It just has that very classic feel, you know, like these towns with the church, with the big steeple and, you know, like just exactly what you think of when you think classic Americana.   [00:05:58.430] - Tamara Gruber Totally. So we started out in Brattleboro, which I hadn't really spent a lot of time in, and that is kind of like a artsy kind of hip little town. So we just kind of walked around town and did like a cheese shop there. And then we drove across like a scenic byway over to the town of Bennington, which is like a little bit more of a historic town. We started a bunch of covered bridges and different sites, and then we went up and we spent our first night in Manchester.   [00:06:27.950] - Tamara Gruber And if anyone hasn't been to Vermont, like Manchester is definitely one of my favorite towns. It's just it's really pretty. It's really quaint. There's a lot to do nearby. There's, you know, a number of ski resorts that aren't that to. Too far away, really good food scene, there's outlet shopping like a high end outlet shopping, if you enjoy that. But then there's also like the Orvis. Yeah, flyfishing company, their headquarters is there.   [00:06:51.340] - Tamara Gruber They have a resort there that has like a Land Rover experience. And then there's, of course, fly-Fishing, you know, there's Norman Rockwell stuff. So tons to do in that area. But we we stayed overnight there and we the next day went and did a waterfall because I was like, OK, we're going to see a lot of covered bridges. We're going to see a lot of waterfalls that we're going to eat like a lot of cheese and maple sirup kind of stuff.   [00:07:11.900] - Tamara Gruber So we did this hike, which I think you would have enjoyed, too. It was like five miles round trip, but it was up to a waterfall. And when we got up there, it was pretty much empty, like there was no one there for quite a while. And then after I was taking some pictures, like a bunch of people came and then there was like a whole flood of people coming up. We're like, well, we made it here just in time.   [00:07:30.370] - Tamara Gruber But it was like one of those good, you know, like uphill climbs that you felt like you worked hard for it, but you weren't, like, totally exhausted afterwards, you know, and you had a good reward, you know, when I got there.   [00:07:41.590] - Kim Tate So that was sometimes something. Yeah.   [00:07:43.150] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. And then we went we did a historic home that Robert Lincoln, who's Abraham Lincoln's son, had built a summer home up there when he was like president of the Pullman like the Pullman cars and trains like that company that like, you know, a little self guided tour of that home. And then we drove from there. We made a couple other stops at like Maple sirup places up to Killington, which is one of the major ski resorts in in Vermont.   [00:08:12.280] - Tamara Gruber And we at this place called the Mountain In. And it was kind of like you could tell it was probably like an old like not so great hotel that they have renovated to make it look like cool and retro. You know, sometimes they take anything like motels or different hotels and they add like this, you know, kind of cool element to it.   [00:08:31.330] - Kim Tate We stayed in one like that in Santa Rosa. I remember we. Yeah, that it was kind of a motel, but it had such cute, like, retro theming.   [00:08:38.110] - Tamara Gruber Right. Right. Yes.   [00:08:39.560] - Kim Tate This one was. I think it was anyway. Sorry. Go ahead.   [00:08:42.300] - Tamara Gruber This one has a distillery there. So it's like distillery and in and then they have like a restaurant there. So it's like cool. And I thought it was really good for like a girls trip because, you know, like they have the little tasting room where you can taste the different spirits. And like I was like a cool, trendy thing. And then they had little balconies off the room where you can overlook the the slopes at Killington, which still had some snow on them, you know, so it was really neat.   [00:09:06.610] - Tamara Gruber And then I booked us a special experience, like something that I've wanted to do all winter here. But the places that do it are so darn expensive that I haven't done it. But is eating in a ski gondola. Oh, yeah. Yes. Have you seen those? Do you have.   [00:09:20.410] - Kim Tate Yeah, I don't think we have a gondola, but we have the little the Globes like the glass triangle globe things in Seattle. But yeah, I've seen the gondolas. I know they have them in Colorado.   [00:09:31.390] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. It's just something that I've wanted to do and like yeah there's a place here called Ocean House which does it and it's like a fondue experience, but it's like five hundred dollars and you get basically like crudite and fondue and like not even wine or anything. So I'm like I want to do that. Looks so cool. It's like so cool Instagram ish kind of thing. But anyway they had it there, you did have to pay a little extra, but then the food was just like normal and they're heated and they had actually like built it out so that it had like little curtains and pillows and like it was like designed inside.   [00:10:04.870] - Tamara Gruber So it was really neat. And they had music piped in so, so fun because it was definitely cold that night, you know. So they're like the waitress would come in, like open the doors and give us the food. And it was just it was such a fun experience. It was very too, because they brought out like a I think a like maple aged bourbon or something like maple barrel bourbon was like their thing and they brought it out.   [00:10:26.920] - Tamara Gruber And I don't really drink like spirits that much. And so it came out, you know, you know, like an amuse bouche. When they're serving you like dinner, they'll bring a little thing from the chef. So I'm like, is this like the alcohol amuse bouche? But like, I I'm not a bourbon fan. So I was like sipping it. And then I'm like, OK, I'm just going to dump the rest and the rest of my drink and.   [00:10:48.850] - Tamara Gruber Yeah, but I'm like, is it really bad if I just switch to wine when I'm at a distillery?   [00:10:54.280] - Kim Tate Yeah, I'm not a spirits person but it sounds good. I wonder how many restaurants are going to have a whole new monetization like as bad as and hard as the you know, pandemic was on them being able to have this new revenue stream that maybe some of them have found and developed is going to be exciting like the outdoor dining.   [00:11:13.340] - Tamara Gruber I mean, Glenn and I were just talking about that this weekend because we're in Philadelphia. And I was saying, like, there's so many things that I hope stick around. You know, like so much outdoor dining, I really hope stays. But yeah. So we did that. We stayed. So that was our second night. We stayed in Killington and then the next day we drove up the scenic route one hundred to a few more like waterfalls and different sites.   [00:11:34.930] - Tamara Gruber And we hit we're going to hit that Ben and Jerry's factory store, but we've both already done. So we went to this other, like apple cider place that I've gone to called Cold Hollow Cider Mill, and since I last been there, they actually added hard cider, too. So you would like this because they do like a cider tasting. Like hard cider tasting.   [00:11:53.690] - Kim Tate That's right up my alley. Yeah, I like regular cider and hard ciders.   [00:11:57.680] - Tamara Gruber Well, and the good thing about this was, although you may not like it as much as I did, but when you do the hard cider tasting, they give you a coupon for six free apple cider donuts across the street.   [00:12:06.920] - Kim Tate Oh, I would love that. Love it.   [00:12:09.860] - Kim Tate Yeah. I have to come do fall with you in New England because the Apple Cider Donuts, we have one place out here that does, um, and I've heard of people getting them out here, but I've never gone around to it. But that's, you know, sounds like a dream dessert for me.   [00:12:24.890] - Tamara Gruber They're so good. They're so, so good. There's a place that I like to go to. Sometimes they'll have like an hour waiting in line to get them. It'll be worth it if we'll just chat for an hour. We can record a podcast while we wait for apple cider. Well, I will say definitely the thing to do is if you're going to do one of these road trips to Vermont is bring a cooler because I brought like a cooler like a small cooler bag.   [00:12:45.170] - Tamara Gruber But it was not big enough because, of course, like, there's all these cheese places, like we went to like two or three artisan cheese places. So we bought cheese and then we would stop at the maple syrup, you know, the maple sugar shacks. And so you'd get like maple syrup and, you know, just like different maple goods, you know, and then you have the craft beer, you know, like there's so many things that you want to, like, pop into that cooler.   [00:13:07.280] - Kim Tate We'll have to go back to that travel tech episode. I'm sure that he has some advice on the best coolers. I remember him talking about that.   [00:13:14.810] - Tamara Gruber I was like, well, good thing it's still cold out. You know, we did bring it in for, like a fridge one day, but the next night it was going to be 32 degrees and like, it can just be fine. So we had a lot of fun. And we in the last place we went to, I think it was called Morse Farm, and they did a syrup tasting.   [00:13:31.520] - Tamara Gruber So a lot of places like you kind of have to know, do you like like a rich robust or do you like a lighter amber? But there they didn't and even did it with covid. They had a Plexiglas shield. They gave you a little spoon each time and then you just kind of lowered your mask and popped it in. But it was really neat, you know, to do that kind of sirup tasting. And of course, everybody, one of the things that's big there are maple cremees.   [00:13:52.880] - Tamara Gruber So it's like a soft ice cream, but it's maple flavored soft ice cream.   [00:13:57.710] - Kim Tate That's so that sounds good. I like maple sirup. I'm not I'm not like in the maple candies that much, but I don't.Yeah, I like caramel so maybe I don't know, I'm not big on like the maple stuff. Like the sugar candy.   [00:14:09.650] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. I was never big on that but I love syrup definitely. I round my pancakes and syrup and like all of these country stores are just they're so cute, you know, they have like all the pancake mix and you know, just like all the locally made products kind of stuff.   [00:14:26.150] - Tamara Gruber So I anyway I have a whole itinerary that I just put up on We3Travel just with the three days in Vermont if you want to see all of our stops. But it was just so much fun. It was just a very it was a good girls trip, right. Yeah. I don't know if, like, everyone would have wanted to do the stops that we made, you know, like I probably would have been like, OK, enough of cheese shops or enough covered bridges.   [00:14:49.550] - Tamara Gruber Now, like, they all kind of start to look alike, you know, like things like that. But the waterfalls are beautiful, too. And it was a good time of year to be out there, you know, because the water is in this. Yeah, the water. I will say, though, the only the struggle still was finding a bathroom because so many of the visitors centers and I think because Vermont had just reopened. Oh, yeah.   [00:15:09.560] - Tamara Gruber Like a lot of places that had closed down, maybe they open during ski season, but then closed again. And we're going to open like after Memorial Day. So we had a little bit of trouble sometimes, like finding restaurants that were open or like one day we just we took some of our cheese and crackers and we made ourselves a little picnic, you know, and that's what we did for lunch.   [00:15:29.270] - Kim Tate Yeah. I definitely think that, like, the travel sector is changing fast. And I think after Memorial Day, it'll be interesting to see how quickly destinations are able to adjust. And because, you know, I think it's also finding workers again and getting back on board.   [00:15:45.950] - Tamara Gruber And so I was going to say definitely the challenge is staffing because know here, like quite a few states have lifted restrictions entirely. So it's like, yeah, wide open, which is kind of crazy and takes getting used to.   [00:15:58.520] - Tamara Gruber But definitely the challenge is still like staffing. You know, we went to a restaurant the other day and we're looking to like move our reservation to be a little bit earlier. And there didn't seem like there's anything available. And we walked up and like the whole like half the patio is empty. We're like, what do you mean it wasn't available? Like, that part was closed off. I'm sure they just didn't have, you know, staffing for it.   [00:16:20.750] - Tamara Gruber So, yeah, definitely an issue. But it was it was such a nice trip. My friend loved it. It was just like one of those things where it was like the first, you know, getaway like without the family, the first getaway, like, you know, and so long. And it was just it was just so nice. It was just kind of strange. Like we got to be around someone that we didn't live with and stayed in the room with her and you still negotiate some of that, like, mask.   [00:16:49.300] - Tamara Gruber It was interesting. I mean, I definitely think that's going to be everyone has to come to like different comfort levels. And it's like the more you kind of get yourself out there, the more comfortable you might feel. It's also nice to know that, like, Vermont is like 70 percent vaccinated. So you're going to a fairly safe, you know, destination where everyone around you is kind of in a similar boat. So it makes you good.   [00:17:12.370] - Kim Tate But that's awesome. So that's trip one. I know there's like two or three other ones. Was what's next that you're going to dish about?   [00:17:21.790] - Tamara Gruber So the next thing I did, I did on my own and it was glamping things. So I went to this place called Auto Camp Cape Cod. So Auto Camp is like a upscale glamping resort that uses Airstream like retrofitted like new Airstream trailers. And they also have some like camping tents and some what they call X Suites, which are tiny houses, really, but they have locations. There's one in Russian River and Sonoma. There's one outside of Zion, one outside of Yosemite.   [00:17:54.760] - Tamara Gruber This one in Cape Cod just opened, I think, in April. And then there is a few others that are opening this year. So it's definitely like one of the it's kind of like under canvas, you know, it's like dedicated glamping, but upscale lots of amenities, you know, kind of feels like you're on a hotel resort, except your accommodations are are very different. And I will say I loved it. So this one I went by myself because I just wanted to check this out.   [00:18:20.350] - Tamara Gruber I've written about glamping in New England in the past. In the fall, I have an article about like 20 different places that you can go camping in New England. But I wanted to do more of a deep dove into this one. And I just I was really happy to be away by myself. It was so fun, but it was such a unique experience. It was like the first of all, the clubhouse that they have, like the main kind of lobby.   [00:18:45.010] - Tamara Gruber You could say it was just gorgeous. It was very like they call it mid century modern, but it felt like they had like an eco lodge type of feel to it, too, because it was very like inside. Outside. So you, like, walked in this big door. There's a desk, there's like a little shop with all the kind of curated gift shop kind of stuff, but then also like food and things like that that you could buy.   [00:19:05.830] - Tamara Gruber And then they had this huge, like, lobby area with all these different types of like lounge seating, a little area where they would you can purchase breakfast or coffee or they do all day dining. Then there were these long, like work tables that you would sometimes find in like a Courtyard Marriott type of lobby where there's like a workstations like long tables that have like outlets and things so people can do work there. But then it opened straight into a patio with more different types of lounge seating.   [00:19:31.420] - Tamara Gruber And then like a view across the lawn and in the distance, you could see like the ocean and they had like a fire pit, you know, set up outside. And then there was like a really neat looking fireplace inside as well. So it was like a just a beautiful property. Like, you step in right away and you're like, OK, this is not like a campground. You know, this is something.   [00:19:53.140] - Tamara Gruber I love how more hotels and resorts are getting kind of this lobby focus where they're creating a lot of sitting areas in the lobbies, because I think a lot of people want to do that. They don't want to just be in your room the whole time. So that's cool that I think that's a trend that I've been noticing more and more.   [00:20:12.340] - Tamara Gruber Yeah, it's nice, especially if you're traveling with somebody to right to have a place to, like, hang out. And I definitely saw that with, you know, whether it was like family groups or, you know, like friend groups that these kind of places, you know, tend to attract that kind of thing where you can have your individual accommodations, but then you're kind of hanging out around the campfire together, something like, yeah, I definitely feel like this was a really good spot for a romantic getaway, because the way that the trailers are set up, they have a queen bed in a bedroom and then they do have a couch that could fold out into a futon.   [00:20:46.090] - Tamara Gruber But it's really like one adult or two little kids. Like there's no way like a family of four, like teen, you know, with teens, like there's no way you could do it with them. Yeah. And even that like even the family, like I saw a lot of families are like toddler age. They're like, OK, so they put the kids on the pull out, but like the bathrooms on one side and the bedrooms on the other side and the kids are in the middle, you know, so it's like a little bit like where do you go, where do you hang out?   [00:21:13.330] - Tamara Gruber And I know you have that in a hotel room, too, and you can certainly hang out, you know, outside by the fire and such. But, you know, I definitely felt like it would be really nice as a romantic getaway for something just very different.   [00:21:25.960] - Kim Tate I think that sounds nice. I mean, I yeah, I think it's it varies based on what people are looking for. It's so it's good to consider spacing. I mean, you talked about that even when we talked about the road trip, the massive road trip. You. Like, sometimes families need space, and so you have to remember that when you're booking your accommodations, right?   [00:21:45.680] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. Just because it says it can sleep four.   [00:21:48.440] - Kim Tate Exactly.   [00:21:48.970] - Tamara Gruber Yeah, well, it was sleep, the four of you comfortably. Yes. But the Airstreams itself, they were really nice. So you went in and there was like this, you know, lounge living area with the couch that converts to a bed and then there's a kitchen area. The kitchen had like a mini fridge and a microwave and a sink and just like a coffeemaker with, like, fresh ground coffee from like a local roaster. And the bathroom was super nice.   [00:22:19.130] - Tamara Gruber And they had all of the products that you would need, again, like, you know, local organic kind of products, really soft towels. They provided robes the bedroom, like little things that you don't even always find in a hotel like next to the bed either side. There is a little mini nightstand that had USB plugs as well as like the lighting controls and stuff. And in the whole Airstream, you could actually pair your, like, phone or something to their Bluetooth and then play music through the speakers like throughout the Airstream I saw, which was really neat, like when I was just hanging out by myself, I was doing some work and I was like playing some music and just doing some work using the Wi-Fi.   [00:22:59.930] - Tamara Gruber You know, it's just little things like that that were good. And then I had like air conditioning and and heating and I had like a skylight. And even in the bathroom, I had like a little you could pop the skylight and then the fan to kind of get the steam out of there. So I was really impressed. I just I really liked it. They all come with, like a picnic table and two chairs, not like folding chairs, but like, you know, two chairs next to a little fire.   [00:23:26.240] - Tamara Gruber The only thing is that you can't burn firewood there. You have to, like, buy the stuff called Goodwood, which is kind of like, look, I kind of compressed sawdust like made into like a log kind of thing. So I think it's like for environmental purposes, just not to be burning like wood. But it was also like it was right on this bikeway that goes through one section of the cape. It's like an 11 mile bike path and it's backs right up on the on the bike path.   [00:23:51.080] - Tamara Gruber And they have a little bike shed where you can borrow bikes to use. So the next day I, I rode all the way down to Woods Hole, which is where the ferry will go out to go over to Martha's Vineyard, you know, one of the islands off of the Cape. And, you know, it's just a cute little town with shops and restaurants and stuff. So you can ride down there. You go past a beach, you can hang out at the beach, you can go.   [00:24:14.210] - Tamara Gruber This other direction was through like a swampy. Sounds terrible, but like a nice, you know, like a marsh area where there's like seabirds and things like that. So it was just, you know, it was really it was really very, very nice getaway. And I had fun. It was nice. I would definitely check out one of their destinations. If you're going to be, you know, in some of the national parks, and especially as they start to open up more, I think they're opening up one in the Catskills, which we did an episode on that.   [00:24:39.780] - Tamara Gruber So another option for you.   [00:24:43.130] - Kim Tate Well, that definitely sounds like a great solo getaway, but I know that you have even more coming up. You've been so busy. So what's next on your New England adventures?   [00:24:53.510] - Tamara Gruber You know, it's funny because I was just thinking about it, too. It's like one of each kind of trip. I did a girls trip. I did a solo trip. I did a family trip, and I did a couples trip. Yeah, that's where all the kind of that you like to enjoy. It's nice that you had that. That's awesome.   [00:25:06.930] - Kim Tate So what's what's up next? Now, what's the family trip?   [00:25:09.650] - Tamara Gruber Well, so the family trip was a weekend away and another type of glamping situation. It was a tiny house. So I think everyone's kind of heard of these little tiny houses. It's definitely a trend like some people are moving to, like, let's get rid of the house and live in, like, these tiny house living type of thing. But it also can be used for camping. And so there's a place called Tuxbury tiny house village, and it is part of the Tuxbury Pond RV resort, which is right on the border between Massachusetts and New Hampshire.   [00:25:41.420] - Tamara Gruber So I think the address is officially New Hampshire, but it was only about an hour and a half to an hour and 45 minutes away for us to go up. And I've written about them, you know, in my little glamping round up, but I hadn't had a chance to go and do it. So they were like, hey, you know, do you have a chance this year? So I was like, sure, I'll come up.   [00:25:59.300] - Tamara Gruber So they hosted us. And luckily Hannah agreed it was like between her exams. So she was able to get away for the weekend because sometimes she's like, no, I'm too busy. So it was like the one weekend that we didn't have anything going on. So I basically came home from Cape Cod and then repacked and we drove up to New Hampshire. But it was a similar type of thing. But instead of it being an Airstream, it was a tiny house.   [00:26:23.000] - Tamara Gruber So you guys can go on to We3Travel. And I have a post that'll be up by the time this comes out. So you can see a little bit more. If you can't understand what I'm describing, you know, from the pictures, you'll you'll be able to get it. But this was like this was like a real rV campground, so like when you pulled in the office, it was already closed, but they left keys for us.   [00:26:44.210] - Tamara Gruber So it's like, you know, your typical, like RV campground where there's just tons of RVs everywhere. Like, some peoples are clearly like permanently there. You know, some people have porch decorations.   [00:26:58.820] - Tamara Gruber And it's also every time I've been to one of these, like when I've done a KOA kind of thing, I'm always taken by, like, how it's such a community, like everyone seems to know each other. Right. And so like the next day.   [00:27:13.610] - Kim Tate I was just going to say, you have hosts like there's like RV campground hosts that welcome you or, you know, is family a very community respect.   [00:27:20.960] - Tamara Gruber We late for that, I guess. But yeah, they have all kinds of activities. But you would just see, like, neighbors talking to each other. A lot of them, I think, because it's a really big campground, have these golf carts that they store there. So they're like zooming around in their golf carts and waving to people and talking to people. And, you know, just, you know, it's like being in a neighborhood.   [00:27:38.900] - Tamara Gruber So sometimes when you go into that, you're like, oh, I feel like a little like I'm missing something here. Like I'm not part of that. Yeah, but we just kind of did our own thing and they had all of the little tiny houses off to like one side. And ours was called Emerson because they'll have names and it was right on the pond. So we had like a really nice view sitting in our Adirondack chairs looking at the like where a fire pit was like looking out on the pond, you know.   [00:28:04.640] - Tamara Gruber So that was it was nice. And they definitely have activities there, like they had horseshoes and basketball and volleyball and they have a pool and they have a playground. And they had like a calendar of activities. And like, Hannah, do you want to go to the hypnotist show? And she's like, yeah, no, I'll pass on that, you know, but they have stuff that you can do, you know, on site.   [00:28:23.210] - Tamara Gruber And otherwise it's like so accessible to so many things there. We went to Portsmouth, New Hampshire one day, which is like a really nice historic downtown, kind of like a Portland, Maine, that you've been to cobblestone streets like, you know, little downtown, like lots of great restaurants and shops and things. So we did that one day. And then the next day when we were leaving, we went to Newbury Port in Massachusetts, which similar kind of on the water, cute town harbor, cobblestone streets, shops and things like that, which I had promised Hannah I would take her to a bookstore.   [00:28:56.000] - Tamara Gruber And so she was like, be lining for that bookstore. But she was happy because she came back with a bag full of books. But, you know, it was just like a nice little getaway. And we have not done very much of that, you know, even beyond covid, just like in the school year during high school. So it was really nice and it was nice that Hanna was like chill and relaxed about it. And, you know, we went to lunch one day, actually both days we went out to lunch.   [00:29:23.170] - Tamara Gruber I will tell you, it was funny story, though. So when we got up there, we were running a little bit late. And I'm like, we have to get there before it turns dark because I need to take pictures, you know? You know what that's like.   [00:29:32.720] - Kim Tate I know that I planned vacations with knowing and I need to get to an area. If I could tell you our safari west spring break, I'd understand anyways.   [00:29:42.710] - Tamara Gruber So, of course, like Glenn's on phone calls and he has like every day he has like a five thirty phone call or whatever. So I'm like, you know, driving. And he's like on the phone in the car and I'm like racing up the highway trying to get there. And so then we get there and the office is closed and I'm like, oh my God, we can't even get any cell phone coverage. Like who do I call what I do.   [00:30:02.000] - Tamara Gruber Luckily there was like the keys were left in a mailbox. It just took a minute to figure that out. So we get there and I'm like, OK, we need to start dinner right away because we had these burgers. So I figured, OK, that night when we get there, we're just going to make dinner there. And then the next night we'll go out to dinner because I don't like to cook every night when we're like on vacation because, yeah, of course you want to chill out, but I'm like, I don't know what's going to be around.   [00:30:25.130] - Tamara Gruber Let's like bring stuff to cook like that night. So I saw it was a charcoal grill. We have a gas grill at home, so I don't really know how to cook on charcoal. But like I did it when I was at auto camp, I just bought charcoal from them and I lit it with a match and it lit and it was fine and it was all good. So we get down there and we had this old bag of charcoal.   [00:30:45.320] - Tamara Gruber I put it in there. So I'm like, OK, you guys like, start the fire, I'm going to take the pictures. And then I come out and like, Glenn could not get this fire going. Like he's like trying everything to get this charcoal. And of course, we can't go buy charcoal like lighter fluid because the store is closed and we have no idea where, like, the closest whatever is, you know, and it's already like getting dark.   [00:31:04.850] - Tamara Gruber And I forgot to bring, like, the headlamp, you know, I'm like, oh, we can't even see what we're doing out here. So, you know, he's trying he's trying to get it going and it and we were already late, like, we didn't get there until almost eight o'clock. And so we're like, is there even going to be a place to get food that's still open? And, you know, so he's like trying to get on the wi fi to try to find, you know, and he was like, pick up some food.   [00:31:26.540] - Tamara Gruber So that just we're not, like, starving that night. I mean, I brought, like, snacks, but we were hungry.   [00:31:30.480] - Kim Tate Right.   [00:31:31.430] - Tamara Gruber And so then I'm like, OK, there's a stovetop here, there's a frying pan. I'm just going to cook the burgers on the stove top like. Granted, it's going to take a while to the frying pan fits like one burger at a time, but I'm going to go ahead and do this. So I start cooking it and the whole place, like, fills with smoke. And I'm like, I don't know how that smoke detector didn't go off.   [00:31:51.560] - Tamara Gruber So I'm like opening every window in the place and trying to, you know, when you're like the smoke alarms going off and you're like when you're fanning it.   [00:31:58.250] - Tamara Gruber Yeah, yeah. So I'm like trying to push the smoke out the window and I'm trying to find is there an exhaust fan? And I'm turning on the fan from like the bathroom trying to get anything to suck the smoke out of there. And so Glenn is like, that's it. I'm just going to like get a pizza. He's like, just turn it off. And I'm like, well, now these burgers are like like half. What do I do?   [00:32:16.820] - Tamara Gruber And so he calls and he's like, I'm just going to go get a pizza. So he goes and he leaves because he's like, I have to get there. They close at 9:00, I have to get there. So I'm like, OK, go, go, go. And then I like come out and I see Hannah still trying to work on the charcoal she's got and she has like the coals kind of going. So I'm like good job honey.   [00:32:34.640] - Tamara Gruber I'm like, OK, I'm gonna bring these burgers that I'm like half cooked in the pan will put the other half over the charcoal. So, you know, but we can't see what we're doing. It's like pitch black. I like did Dad even clean the great or am I putting like my burger on some like disgusting, like dirty thing, you know, and so we start cooking the burgers out there and the first two are like, OK, those are done.   [00:32:56.570] - Tamara Gruber So I'm unwrapping the other two to bring out and have them start to cook. And so meanwhile, like Hannah and I are sharing a burger while Glenn's like sitting waiting for pizza, because then the pizza place is like really backed up. He ends up not getting back until almost 10:00 at night with the pizza. Meanwhile, we've already had like a burger and a half to try to cook these other two burgers. And the coals just will not keep they're just dying.   [00:33:21.380] - Tamara Gruber They're dying. We cannot get them going. So then I have like, these gray pretty much raw burgers and I'm like, what am I going to do with it? And it's grossing me out. And I'm like, you know, like raw meat, like whatever. So like, I have nothing to even wrap it in. Glenn's like, well, don't just throw them out. Those were like good burgers. I'm like, well what are we going to do it.   [00:33:39.410] - Tamara Gruber Like what, where are we cooking these things? You know, so they cover them up and put them in the fridge. I'm like, OK, fine. So I had them on a plate and I put like a bowl on top of it and put it in the fridge. And then the next one we're finally leaving because we never cooked the burgers. I'm like, now you're going to have, like, stinky rotting meat, like in the garbage. So we were like tying it up in bags so it wouldn't smell and wasn't disgusting. But anyway, that's my terrible story about trying to cook while we're at the tiny house.   [00:34:06.860] - Kim Tate Oh my goodness, that is so funny. It's just this is family travel.   [00:34:12.470] - Kim Tate Like I feel like all of us who have traveled with kids have been in a situation like that where your food is such a stressor. There's all these like different levels. And if something can go wrong on a family vacation, you know, there's a good chance it will.   [00:34:26.870] - Tamara Gruber So I thought I had it figured out. I was like, yeah, like, you can eat well.   [00:34:31.300] - Kim Tate I mean, well, we all have so much experience on this, but inevitably something still is like, oh, I hadn't planned for that. Like, OK, now, you know, you need to pack coals and lighter fluid.   [00:34:41.210] - Tamara Gruber Right.   [00:34:41.930] - Kim Tate And flashlights. Although did you use your phone flashlight you could have used. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were using it. So funny. Oh my. OK, so well you know after any other parts of that stay that you want to mention, was it a nice it looked like a cute little place and a nice getaway.   [00:34:57.320] - Tamara Gruber It was like I definitely you know, I would recommend it. It was so much more affordable too than some of the other glamping kind of things that are out there, because it starts, I think, around one hundred and forty five or a hundred and fifty dollars a night, you know, for this space, which, you know, I thought was pretty good. So it slept. I think that one could sleep up to six, but that would be really tight.   [00:35:18.200] - Tamara Gruber So basically, like downstairs, it had a couch that could fold open. It had a table with three chairs. It had the kitchen, tiny little bathroom. And then you went up a flight of stairs to the sleeping loft. But the thing is, like the loft, it's not like full size. You can't stand up up there. Right. So basically, like, you walked up the stairs and then kind of crawled onto the bed and fell asleep.   [00:35:38.660] - Tamara Gruber And there was a queen and a double, just like on the, you know, on the ground, like the mattresses on the ground. But it was fine, like it was comfortable and we enjoyed it. It was very different. You know, we had fun. It was just nice to be away. We like sat and like, you know, looked and watched the pond, like we took a little walk and then we went and did those excursions, you know, on those days.   [00:36:00.140] - Tamara Gruber So it's just like a chill, you know, getaway. It wasn't about like we're doing a lot of stuff.   [00:36:05.570] - Kim Tate Awesome. So then the final trip of your, you know, massive travel reopening, you know, it was a couple's getaway. So tell us all about that.   [00:36:16.280] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. So my nephew was getting married down outside of Philadelphia. And, you know, we were all invited, but Hannah had to study for exams and she also wasn't fully vaccinated, so she wasn't really comfortable to go and do that quite yet. And so then I decided that we were going to go and we actually left her alone for the first. Oh, nice. Which is like big and that week was actually the first time that she drove on her own because like we you know, she got her license a month ago, but she's still like only driven with me in the car, you know, like she hasn't gone to see her friends or anything like that.   [00:36:52.770] - Tamara Gruber It's just like the way it's a little bit hard because, you know, she lives a half hour away from school, half hour away from her friends. So, you know, anything that she's going to go do is like, you know, getting on the highway. It's like a bigger thing, like she does it with me. But just to do it on her own, you know, she hasn't had the opportunity. She hasn't asked for it.   [00:37:11.360] - Tamara Gruber And then she's not the type to be like, oh, I want to go to Dunkin Donuts. Like, it's funny because sometimes I've been like, hey, why don't you go do this? And she's like, but then I have to buy something. Then I have to talk to someone. And she's like, well, how do I do it? Like, I'm like, well, you have a debit card. And she's like, Yeah, what do I do?   [00:37:30.740] - Tamara Gruber Put a pin in? And I'm like, I don't know, like I don't use a debit card like cash. So it's just really funny. But it's one of those things I think. I'm sure you've experienced this with your teens, but it seems like a big deal until it's done. And so, you know, there was all this like I don't know if I'm ready to drive on my own. I don't know. I don't know. And so earlier that week, she had something out at there, like the schools, like farm campus, which is a little bit easier to get to.   [00:37:56.720] - Tamara Gruber And it's you don't have to parallel park on a very small city street. There's a parking lot. So I'm like, hey, why don't you drive yourself? And she's like, what? It's like, drive yourself. So she did it. And it was like, you know, this major milestone. And she came back. She's like, Yeah, it's fine.   [00:38:11.720] - Kim Tate Nice!   [00:38:15.980] - Tamara Gruber and then they did it and they're like, What are you talking about? I just never worried about that.   [00:38:19.770] - Kim Tate Yeah, exactly. Yeah.   [00:38:21.290] - Tamara Gruber You're all you're making it all up, you know. So we went away and she did have to drive herself to go to her friends, the school play there in the school play. So she did that and she cooked herself dinner and cleaned up after herself. So she had her first little independence.   [00:38:36.140] - Kim Tate That's good. Yeah, it's kind of yeah. It's been nice with Lizzie. She has a job now and stuff and she has a lot of her own money and she, you know, is responsible now. She books her own hair appointments and she's totally done shopping on her own. She buys stuff online. She's fully it's nice. It's been really it's definitely a step in independence when they have their own money and they learn to start making choices with that money.   [00:39:00.230] - Kim Tate And it's cool. So, yeah.   [00:39:02.700] - Tamara Gruber I guess it's yeah, we're at the beginning of that road. I know it'll probably snowball and go quickly like once it starts. But it's kind of neat to watch. But it was good. I mean we were nervous but she's such a she's a good kid. I mean when we were leaving Glenn's like we're still through any house parties and she's like, Dad, I have to study.   [00:39:22.160] - Kim Tate Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So it was also your anniversary.   [00:39:28.790] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. So it was our twenty first anniversary and obviously we didn't really do much last year. And so I was like, look, you know, we can stay at like the best western near the place where the where the wedding is taking place. Or we can just stay in downtown Philadelphia. Nice hotel and make a weekend of it. So we're like, yeah, let's make a weekend of it. So we went down and we stayed at the Kimpton Hotel Monaco, which I've stayed at before when I was in Philadelphia.   [00:39:52.160] - Tamara Gruber And it's such a great location. Like, I just I love Philadelphia. I know you haven't been, but it's like it's just, you know,   [00:39:57.770] - Kim Tate I was there with you once! We went for a one day conference. We took the train from New York. It was my first, like, East Coast train experience. Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't really see much of Philadelphia, so yeah. I've been there.   [00:40:12.440] - Tamara Gruber Yeah. I think where we stayed was more like Center City and this was more like Old City. So it's right, right across from like Independence Hall, the Liberty Bell. So you just have like some cobblestone streets, you have all this history right there. There's a lot of green space around like a lot of parks. It's just a nice part of town. I really like staying there. And I just feel like Philadelphia in general, it's just it's cleaner.   [00:40:35.000] - Tamara Gruber It's like not as busy, but there's still like a good vibe to it. You know, it's still an energy. And this was our first experience, like kind of being in a city post, vaccination, you know, feel like it's nice out and just feeling kind of normal ish. And it was it's actually really cool. So we we arrived again. We're like racing, you know, because Glenn's phone calls and all that stuff, you know.   [00:40:58.220] - Tamara Gruber So racing into town, I had made a nine thirty dinner reservation for us because I'm like, look, we can either stop an eat like whatever crap on the New Jersey Turnpike or we can get into town and just eat late but have a good dinner. And there's this place called Buddakan that I've always wanted to try, and it's like a three minute walk from our hotel. So I'm like, let's just go there. So I thought for sure we weren't going to make it because Friday night traffic and everything like that.   [00:41:22.130] - Tamara Gruber But we kind of like skidded in just in time. And I'm like, Glenn, go check the valet and I'm going to go like walk down and make sure that our table's kept. So we we were doing like outdoor dining, but the way that they've done it is they've built like almost like little individual booths. So it's like a protected kind of space, but there was like a barrier in between each table, so it was really, really cool.   [00:41:43.330] - Tamara Gruber The dinner was fantastic. And then, you know, when it comes to good dinner stories, OK, I, I shared this on my Instagram story, but this story is still kind of blows me away. But we were having dinner and the table next to us, they were celebrating a fiftieth birthday. It was like a group of women friends and you know, so when they were singing Happy Birthday to her, we clapped and we were just like wishing them happy birthday.   [00:42:06.190] - Tamara Gruber And then someone came along the street and he was like looking for money. And, you know, first Glenn was kind of trying not to pay attention because we were having our dinner. But then we you know, the guy I don't know if his story was true or not, but he's like, I served the country for 20 years was that, you know, I'm a vet and like all this stuff and I'm down on my luck and have four year old daughter.   [00:42:26.020] - Tamara Gruber And we're like, oh, you know, like it just it was we were in a tough spot. So, Glenn, I gave him some money and he left. And then, like, the people next to us were like, oh, that was so nice that you did that. Like, I'm so glad you didn't come to our table because we wouldn't have done that or whatever. And so at the end of the meal, you know, Glenn, I just like we're just really enjoying, like, being out the two of us having a great dinner, great experience, just like a nice energy around.   [00:42:48.580] - Tamara Gruber But we felt like super safe because, I mean, first of all, we're outside we're vaccinated. It's all like, you know, distanced and everything. And and then the woman from the table next to us comes over. She puts a receipt on her table and she was like, your dinner is taken care of. And she walked away. And we're like, what? Because this was like our anniversary dinner. We were not like holding back, like it was not a budget dinner.   [00:43:13.240] - Tamara Gruber And she paid for our dinner.   [00:43:15.490] - Kim Tate Yeah, that's also it was unbelievable. Like, I was like, oh, cool.   [00:43:19.240] - Tamara Gruber This is a time when I feel like so much distrust over other people and fear and like, you're just getting used to being around other people again. And here is this woman comes over and just like pays for our dinner just because she thought Glenn did something nice. And I'm like, wow.   [00:43:37.120] - Kim Tate Yeah, that's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah.   [00:43:39.520] - Tamara Gruber So it kind of started our a weekend off great. But we had a wonderful weekend, just like exploring, you know, like walking around Philadelphia was like ninety degrees. So it was like boiling. We were it was just great. We were outside and just enjoying it. We stopped on Saturday that this independence beer garden near the hotel. So it's just all this outdoor space really cutely designed, you know, some of it shaded just a beer garden.   [00:44:04.600] - Tamara Gruber So we hung out there for a while, had had some lunch, and then we went, you know, got dressed and we went to the wedding. And then on Sunday, we just had brunch. And then we drove back home, which that was a nightmare, but it was just nice. Yes. I've had a little bit of every kind of travel, which is really nice. I really. What is that? Is it. Yeah, I think that sounds so great.   [00:44:25.720] - Kim Tate I'm so excited about travel reopening and I think the biggest thing is now I'm it seems like everybody wants to travel again now. And so I feel like things are more busier than ever, and especially if some places are still not fully staffed and or have capacity limitations. I just I still wonder if we're quite there yet where it's normal. I feel like there's people are ready to travel, but whether the industry can handle it right now is where am I, where my worry is.   [00:44:53.950] - Tamara Gruber I agree. And I do think that there's going to be some both disappointment and frustration this summer because of that. I think people are going to find they're going to be very eager to have the perfect experience, but they need it, you know, after everything. And then they're going to get there and it's going to be crowded or service may be what they're expecting. And so I definitely think that if you can set your expectations, you know, a little bit lower, it would be good, because I just find, yeah, everything is going to be crowded and you are off the beaten path as you can get, you know, like the better.   [00:45:27.160] - Kim Tate But avoiding national parks. Yeah, I agree too. Yeah. We so we jumped on because the girls really wanted to go to they miss Disney when we went down for spring break. Like I don't mean to be one of these crazy Disney families, but we do like Disney and the girls had really wanted to go to Disneyland again. And so I thought, well, you know, kind of the same situation with you. The summer right now is definitely the only time we can really travel, because Lizzy, going into our senior year and with college applications, everything, it's just not a lot of flexible time.   [00:45:56.860] - Kim Tate And she has a job. And so we booked a trip for mid-July for Disneyland. I thought this is going to be a great time to go. We're hoping that it's opened out of staters. I mean, they're saying that they think it's going to happen in June. And they but now with the worry over if they're going to reopen everything at one hundred percent, which is what California is going to do starting June 15th, we're just worried, like, are we going to end up in the summer at Disneyland with eight million crowds?   [00:46:23.530] - Kim Tate Like, I don't know what their capacity is. So, yeah, I think it's people we're all I mean, I was hopeful. I was so excited like twenty five. Thirty five percent capacity. That sounds awesome. Like, OK, let's use our hard earned money to buy this communication and now I'm kind of regretting it and. Yeah, I think everybody just going to have to really keep in mind what I don't even know what I'm trying to say, but just have a little bit of ability to be relaxed and, yeah, expect crowds and maybe slower service than you might think.   [00:46:54.720] - Tamara Gruber It's going to be tough as things continue to to change. And I you know, I feel bad for the people. Like I know some of the people that I follow on Instagram now had booked a trip to Disney World and was super excited about it. But then, like before they got there, they dropped the mask mandate. And, you know, and so her experience there is not at all what she expected it to be.   [00:47:20.460] - Tamara Gruber And that changed on a dime. Know. So it's.   [00:47:22.710] - Kim Tate Yeah, they made that decision quickly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, we are lucky that all four of our family will be vaccinated, and that's a huge relief.   [00:47:34.150] - Tamara Gruber So, yeah, I feel actually as of today, Hannah is fully vaccinated. So I've said that many times. Like I feel today when we're recording this, I feel very fortunate, you know, that we're in that position. I definitely you know, I feel for the families that are dealing with having younger kids and then feeling, you know, maybe not as safe because of the some of the restrictions have been lifted. And, you know, but they're still vulnerable.   [00:48:03.030] - Tamara Gruber So it's it's a challenging time to continue to navigate and hopefully have a little bit of, like you said, patience. But also just share a little love, I guess. Yeah, I'm still feeling it from my experience.   [00:48:15.450] - Kim Tate Well, that should teach everyone be kind to your neighbor. Yeah, well, it's been great to chat with you and hear about all those trips. And I'm sure that if anybody has any questions for you, they can always reach out to you on your social media @we3travel. So I know our next episode is going to be about another one of your travel adventures in the Northeast. So why don't you give everyone a teaser about where we'll be talking about next?   [00:48:38.040] - Tamara Gruber Yes, my next trip is to Maine, which you and I have been to, and I'm going back to some of that region, but I'm first going to do a trip along the coast and so hitting a lot of the coastal towns of Maine. And then I will be up in what they call down east, which is the area around Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park. But I'm going to be doing exactly what I'm recommending everyone else do, which is do the stuff outside of the national park, you know, the bit off the beaten path kind of stuff.   [00:49:09.000] - Tamara Gruber And then I'm going to head up into the Maine Highlands, which is around Bangor, and then like Baxter State Park and some of the kind of lakes and mountains area, a little bit, you know, close to where you and I were when we had our girls trip up there. And so definitely getting like a little off the grid, you know, off the the beaten path. And so I can't wait to share that because I think it's going to be a good option for families, at least those in driving distance to the northeast or flying this summer.   [00:49:38.730] - Tamara Gruber I think it'll be a good option. So, yeah. So stay tuned for that one. And then I guess after that, we're going to be talking about your travel and my travel. And we've got other topics coming up. So definitely stay tuned.  

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FULL TRANSCRIPT OF EPISODEProvided by Otter.aiEoin Trainor  0:00  The views and opinions expressed in Eye on the Triangle do not represent WKNC or the student media.Good evening Raleigh and welcome to this week's Eye on the Triangle an NC State student run and student produced news show on WKNC 88.1. I'm Eoin Trainor. On tonight's episode Elizabeth Esser is talking about NC State's return to in person classes this fall with Dr. Amy Orders the director of emergency management and mission continuity at the university. Afterwards, Laura Mooney and I report on the controversy surrounding Chadwick Seagraves, an NC State employee who was accused of being a member of the proud boys, stay tuned.Elizabeth Esser  0:45  This is Elizabeth Esser reporting for Eye on the Triangle. Joining us today is Dr. Amy Orders director of emergency management and mission continuity here at NC State to discuss the university's plann to return to in person classes this fall. Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. orders.Dr. Amy Orders  1:01  Thank you for having me, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to tell about great new changes on the horizon. Elizabeth Esser  1:07  To start us off, can you just tell listeners a bit about yourself and your position at NC State?Dr. Amy Orders  1:12  I have hit my 20th year at NC State. But my my position has evolved over the years within environmental health and public safety. And within COVID, it really took on a new a new face and a new paradigm of operation centric work was very important to move us forward in all the different phases. So our job has been to be responsive to the needs of the campus over the past year. Elizabeth Esser  1:35  How did the university come to the decision to return to in person class.Dr. Amy Orders  1:41   It was kind of an evolving conversation. We've been watching the public health information and changes in the CDC or recommendations from other public health entities for several months. And the whole idea is we knew we would return to normal and I have to use normal with air quotes at some point we were hopeful it would be sooner than not. So trending the virus itself that community transmission, the prevalence of vaccine and its distribution models, people, you know, following community standards, both outside of campus and in campus, all of that helped make a better informed decision on what was safe and appropriate to the idea of a normal fall really is a cascade effect over a couple of months. It requires us to go back and challenge what our safety practices are now what our community standards need to be what we need to do for changes in classrooms or physical spaces to invite people back to their offices or research environments or other areas. But all of that has to be mindful of the virus itself, we have to watch what happens in the public health sector. If we experience another wave of the virus and infections, then we need to be moderating in our decision making and pace appropriately. We're really hopeful though that normal fall can really mean back in the classrooms 100% or in a large capacity. Looking at our research operations, we've fully activated and then restoring our other campus special events, clinics, all of the above. So we are anticipating a normal start keeping that caveat in mind that if something changes, we pauseElizabeth Esser  3:14  So when we started with in person classes last fall seats were spread out. Teachers had plexiglass screens in front of them while they lectured. As of right now, what can we expect in person classes to look like in comparison to in person classes prior to COVID.Dr. Amy Orders  3:30  Some of the recommendations that are coming out slowly but steadily from the Centers of Disease Control really do tell us what the expectations are how to minimize exposure, maximize the experience. So one of the greatest examples that we're watching is public schools, you're seeing the decrease in the spacing. So we were at six feet physical distancing. And now the paradigm shifting to about three feet. When we in our classroom setting some of our classrooms may not be appropriate for different reasons. It could be ventilation, it could be the spacing, whatever that is, we'll continue to assess that even as recommendations come in and say hey, you can be closer together. In the fall though it was such an extreme situation, we were looking at every possible safety mechanism that layers into effect is the Swiss cheese model. If you can give Plexiglas and maximize distance and decrease the occupancy, then we minimize transmission in those facilities, what happens outside and you bring the virus in there, that's still a problem. Well, now that the virus load or the number of positive cases is going down, we can start removing layer by layer not all layers to be able to increase that experience as close to what we used to or we're accustomed to, in like the 2019 timeframe. So university will still look at these things very, very, very detailed and specifically such as plexiglass, like you mentioned, if a faculty member has some sort of experiential learning or in face obligation with a larger crowd. Maybe that Plexiglas is still appropriate because when you Talk, you actually spit, the aerosol is a concern. So we need to think about these things creatively and not assume that we take everything away because that may not be the situation.Elizabeth Esser  5:10  Residence halls will also return to full occupancy. Will any extra precautions be put into place there?Dr. Amy Orders  5:16  there are some standing precautions that we will maintain for sure. So, in our residence halls, single occupancy moving that back to regular double occupancy is is the goal. And still having a process for an exception as we have cases that are necessary to address but the heightened cleaning, having people understand what cleaning in their own personal space means. Understanding what it what the virus itself will exist in the background, how to protect yourself and be more effective and those measures will continue. The other part of it in the residence halls and across campus is messaging. We won't just take down everything that says you know, cover your face, wear your mask, it has to be a blend, a reminder, if it's cold and flu season, we tell people cover your cough and wash your hands. Let's do cold flu plus COVID because it will still exist. So still cover your cough wash your hands. It applies at home and the residence hall settings, it's going to be the same type of approach Elizabeth Esser  6:14  Does the university as of right now have plans for if there are major spikes in cases?Dr. Amy Orders  6:20  We keep that as a on the front burner conversation every day, our plans won't go away. So we will decrease the number of quarantine and isolation spaces in the fall. mindful though that at any point in time, if we have to increase those, again, we will so we have provisions in place kind of in a tiered process. If we have to go back and analyze what the best spacing policies are. We're hopeful that if everyone understands what the community expectations are, then we won't see those spikes we will go and have our social gatherings we may still have limitations on those gatherings. That's kind of a crystal ball that we don't have right now. But if we're able to look at those in a very methodical manner and make some plan decisions, then if we do have a spike we're ready to address.Elizabeth Esser  7:03  Finally, is there anything else that you would like for listeners to know about NC State's return to normal this fall?Dr. Amy Orders  7:09  I think there are two things that I'm going to add one is as some level of surveillance testing is going to have to continue. You know, it's going to be that COVID becomes endemic to society. At some point, it still exists, it's in the fabric. So it's just like seasonal flu it comes and goes. Our testing strategy may not be as pervasive as it is now. But some level of testing is still appropriate to make sure you're not missing some level of information that can better inform our decisions. The other thing is the vaccination process. It's starting to open up stores so widely, the opportunity to get the vaccine is making itself very much available to everybody. So in the next week or so you'll see the next group open, where we can actually invite the close to the 15,000 people who have pre registered for vaccination on campus into the vaccine clinic. Having that vaccination makes a world of difference because increasing the immunity across the board, we reach the closer to a herd immunity status that helps us get back to being able to gather and be in other places in a more social circumstance. I think between the two, because we're really cautious about how we're setting up campus physically, how we're telling people in our training, what to expect, setting the right expectations. It helps us also engage the individual and say some of this is on you. Get your vaccine or if not at your discretion. GO participate in testing, we would like to have that data help us meet in the middle. That will get us back to normal in the fall.Elizabeth Esser  8:37  Well, thank you so much again for joining us today. Dr. Orders. Awesome.Dr. Amy Orders  8:41   Thanks so much.Eoin Trainor  8:43  NC State University became embroiled in controversy this winter when some students began to question its commitment to inclusion and diversity. This came on January 11, when NC State announced that they would not take disciplinary action against Chadwick Seagraves, a university employee accused of being a member of the far right extremist group the Proud Boys. The allegations emerged last November when the anonymous comrades collective an anonymous left wing organization released a blog post and Twitter thread detailing Seagraves connections the group, the thread claims that he posted students and activists personal information online. It also includes photos from a 2017 anti Islam rally in Chapel Hill. These claim to show Seagraves pictured with Augustus Solinvictus, a prominent white supremacist who headlined the unite the right rally in Charlottesville that same year. Seagraves vehemently denies the allegations in a statement he said to paint me as a racist and fascist is heinous slander. NC State made its decision to not take action against Seagraves following a two month investigation into his conduct. In a statement, the University said the rigorous review did not substantiate any significant allegations. Following this announcement, student body president Melanie flowers signed an executive order designating January 19 as a day to protest the decision. I recently sat down with President flowers to discuss this, our interview details student government's perspective on the issue and offers a reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. For Eye on the Triangle I'm Eoin Trainor.First question, what was your and student government's initial reaction to NC State's decision to not take any action against Seagraves?Melanie Flowers  10:26  It was a few things. There was obviously a lot of disappointment at the results of the investigation. It's, it's frustrating, because I know, when all the information came out, at least for me, I was really nervous that there wouldn't be any actions that the university would be able to legally take with the investigation. And so that was really concerning for me seeing as the groups that the OIT employees affiliated with, I think it or I know it continues to spread and just perpetuate a culture of white supremacy on our campus. And that's, that's really nerve wracking, and unsettling, and, and more. And so it sucks, it more than sucks to, to know the university couldn't do anything about it. And it puts student government and myself and others in a place to think about what steps can we take to ensure that the people that the university employees are champions of diversity and inclusion and equity, like the university is trying to be?Eoin Trainor  11:38  In your view, was NC State transparent during the actual investigation? Did they ask for your input at all?Melanie Flowers  11:45  So I forwarded on information after it started to surface on social media. I wasn't asked for input. But legally, I don't have any role to play in the investigation. So that wasn't something that I would have really needed to be a part of anyways. Um, I think transparency is kind of a difficult topic, because I have I have the perspective of somebody who has the knowledge to know what legally can be put out for these kinds of cases and what can't be and like this is it's really an HR case. And I think students are definitely just very apprehensive in trusting the process and the University and I am too, because you just, you you see the results. And you see that Seagraves just continues to be employed here. And you wonder, like, what happened? And, and I get that, and I think that's why the transparency pieces, although legally, it was correct, I think I understand the frustration of what felt like crumbs of information the university was able to share.Eoin Trainor  13:04  Um, you signed an executive order creating a time and place for protests against the results of the investigation. What led you and student government to come up with this decision? Did you consider any alternatives?Melanie Flowers  13:18  This was one of the things that came out of my understanding of the fact that the university couldn't do anything legally. Student Government has a, a privilege and a power to use our voice in the way that our university as a public institution can't. And I didn't want to let that go to waste in student government. It's our job to represent students and voice their opinions and concerns in a way that's heard. And so this was our way of making sure that students knew that we were fighting for them. And we're feeling all of these things alongside them as well. And so this was this idea was really the idea. We didn't really consider other options it. It came about before the first day of classes, and it came about in about a week less thanEoin Trainor  14:13  can you tell us about how the protests went. What was your overall impression of what the students who were there were saying and what concerns they were expressing?Jaylan Harrington  14:23  So it was interesting, because we had to essentially publish the executive order in the protest, and the notification of the protests before students were back on campus. And even though students are back, we're not all here. So we kind of had a completely virtual launch of the protest. And there was a lot of online engagement across social media. And so we definitely felt like we had this student support. In person. We had a couple of dozen students attend and then we also had about 10 people for the virtual option which was awesome to see. attendees were thankful the ones that I interacted with, were thankful that we were saying something. And just making them feel like they weren't alone. I heard a lot of that because I think sometimes or not sometimes for a lot of students, you get this notification and you're alone in your residence hall. And you  you just wonder, like, Is anybody else feeling disappointed? Or is anybody else feeling scared? Or is anybody else angry or mad at this? And I think, actually speaking out provided that affirmation for a lot of students,Eoin Trainor  15:32  And your perception of how the general student body feels, is that any different or do you think it's fairly similar to the opinions expressed the protest?Jaylan Harrington  15:40  I'd like to think it's fairly fairly similar. I know there are definitely individuals who who question if it's student government's place to to protest at all, and there are definitely varying opinions about how we approached the situation. But from what I've heard, what I've seen, the the outcry about Seagraves, when you know, these accusations initially surface back in November, and how that continued over winter break, there's definitely a a larger message and group just just wanting to make sure that NC State is the place that we say we are. And so I think that's definitely the overwhelming the overwhelming opinion, it's just, we've got to do better and right now Seagraves continuing at the university isn't the university doing better,Eoin Trainor  16:25  Right, student government is planning on sending Seagraves one letter a day until he resigns. What does this been like so far? Has he responded? at all?Jaylan Harrington  16:37  I haven't gotten any responses to the office and we're sending them to the on campus office, I don't have his home address. My my guess is that they could be getting forwarded to his home address or they're there until or when he gets to the office. So yeah, that's, that's up in the air. I'm hoping to get a response.Eoin Trainor  17:00  And then even though NC State basically can't take any action, now the investigation is over. Do you think they should do anything else beyond the statements they've released to address the concern that they're not completely committed to equity and diversity?Melanie Flowers  17:16  Yeah, and I think some steps that we are taking, slowly, but surely, as I sit on several search committees, and what's starting to get added to job descriptions at the university is being a champion for the diverse populations that we serve. And it might not be those words exactly. But there are definitely statements and required qualities that are being implemented into all of these positions. It's not just the chief diversity officer who you have to have that competency. It's, it's a random engineer, it's a random instructor that needs to have that understanding. And so I think that's one of the ways that we're moving in the right direction to just make sure that objectively, when we ask anybody who's entering the university, what they're going to bring, we hope that inclusion and equity and a champion for everyone is a part of the qualities they're bringing to the university.Eoin Trainor  18:08  Given the controversy of the situation, has Student Government received any negative responses since the feedback? Have you received any threatening statements to either you or any of the protesters?Melanie Flowers  18:21  Yes. So as I said, I know there are opinions that disagreed with our, our strategy on addressing the situation. There are some comments on our Instagram page asking about you know, is this cancel culture is it SG's place to protest etc. And I think To that end, the University has done, I mean, as good as a job as it can to offer opportunities to educate yourself on diverse communities at NC State and really just in the world, and in North Carolina, and especially over the summer, those resources were shared very abundantly and pass that OIED offers DEI related trainings for for a lot of different communities. And I think there's just too much opportunity to learn, especially this year for this to be considered cancel culture. We, we know that white supremacy is a, a toxin to our community. And that's, that's not physics. So I feel as though there have been clear standards for what the university expects from its community members and those aren't met from what what I feel to be true about his actions and affiliations. Eoin Trainor  19:42  And then just to clarify like no, like any, just like complaints about like, cancel culture and stuff, not like threatening statements or anything, correct.Jaylan Harrington  19:52  Yeah, we, we were very fortunate to not receive death threats or anything of that nature. We did our best to protect the identities of protesters, it helps that everybody wears masks now. So that wasn't a huge concern. And then while we did take down names and contact information that was remained in the hands of a student government official, and its since then been discarded of and that was just for COVID-19 tracing in the event that that was a concern. We could contact people, but it was as anonymous as possible so we could ensure that peace would wouldn't be a concern.Eoin Trainor  20:32  And then, since the protest, is there anything else under your purview that he's been planning to do or have been able to do to address this situation?Jaylan Harrington  20:42  This is a really good question. I spoke to it earlier about the university kind of starting to standardize asking questions related to DEI in all interviews and how that's becoming a more standard piece of job descriptions. And so that's something that I will continue to push for in search committees that I'm a part of, and then also just trying to see what we can do to standardize that practice moving forward.Eoin Trainor  21:10  I think that's it but thank you so much for your time. Melanie Flowers  21:13  Awesome. I'm excited to listen for it thank you for covering thisEoin Trainor  21:22  OIED is NC State's Office for institutional equity and diversity. DEI stands for their diversity, equity and inclusion training programs. For more information you can go to diversity.ncsu.edu.Laura Mooney  21:37  President flowers interview sheds light on how NC State as an institution reacted to the allegations towards Seagraves. However, student perspectives vary greatly on this issue. For further information on student reactions and how other outlets covered the story. We reached out to members of Technician, NC State's longest standing student newspaper. For the latter half of this segment, we are joined by technician editor in chief Rachel Davis, managing editor Alicia Thomas and multimedia managing editor Jaylan Harrington. I'm Laura Mooney, and you're listening to Eye on the Triangle on WKNC 88.1.So let's just go ahead and do some introductions just for you know, when I introduce this segment, the audience members will want to know who's talking representing technician. So if you could share your names and positions at technician, that would be phenomenal. Rachel Davis  22:35  Hi, my name is Rachael Davis. I'm the editor in chief of technician.Alicia Thomas  22:41  I'm Alicia Thomas. I'm the managing editor at Technician.Jaylan Harrington  22:49  And I am Jaylan Harrington. I'm the multimedia managing editor of Technician.Laura Mooney  22:55  And for those who are unfamiliar with student media at NC State, I'm just going to do kind of a general overview question of why is student journalism important from the perspective of student journalists?Jaylan Harrington  23:11  I'll take that one. I think student journalism's important because it's really important to inform the student body of the current events that are happening on campus. We're really the only outlet that cares about the minute details that are happening on campus. So keeping the student body informed is really, really important to meRachel Davis  23:35  It also informs students about issues or maybe policies, the ways of the university that they may not have known about. Laura Mooney  23:45  The next thing I was going to ask was regarding informing the student body, what motivated you to cover this particular story? Rachel Davis  23:53  Well, right off the bat, that a student was being targeted by this employee.Alicia Thomas  24:02  To say, Yeah, I definitely think that that like, unique nature of the story was what was like, kind of shocking to us initially, because when we were sent a tip, I believe, I don't really know. I don't really remember who sent us what, at this point. It's been a minute since we started covering it. But I definitely think it was like, was so obscure, and like strange enough, but also like, preposterous, we were like, We need to look into it more. And that's kind of like what we do with like, weird stories like these when we have to, like investigate a little bit more because it was just like, some random employee and we were like, this cant be real. And thenLaura Mooney  24:52  Some random employee never heard of him before. Alicia Thomas  24:55  Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. Especially with like the political climate over the summer, that was a huge deal. You know, like all the Black Lives Matter protests, the black students petition on campus, this was just like another thing, showing like white supremacy in Raleigh. And just furthering that narrative, that was like huge over the summer.I think it kind of goes into, like, why student journalism is important, what like what we do at technician too because we feel it as journalists, and I'm sure, Laura, you understand as well. But like, as student journalists, we have a duty to inform students about who is around them on campus, and students have the right to know or feel safe and know whether or not campus is safe. So if that safety is threatened, obviously, that's newsworthy, and we have to cover it.Laura Mooney  26:00   Absolutely. And I think that's great commentary. Because in so many different ways, this situation was really I wouldn't say unprecedented. And we'll get into that later. But it was a really unique thing to look at. So because of all the nuances of this situation, how did the technician team handle covering the situation? What was your strategy for going about that? Well, I'll just say, it was really hard. because not everything was confirmed, right off the bat, because there were social media accounts where it did not have his name on it or attached to it. And we were kind of going off the metadata of the anonymous comrades collective. And we had no way to confirm that information, because we didn't have that information. So a lot of our coverage and articles on it was like, allegedly, and you know, surrounding around that language.Jaylan Harrington  26:59  I would also say it takes a lot longer than our recording usually takes, like, we were covering it like it was a breaking story, because it was breaking news to us. But we kept having to pause and wait for days to wait for more things to come out so that we can actually run something. So the articles took much longer to come out because of that.Laura Mooney  27:24  I guess regarding the fact that so much was unconfirmed at certain periods of time, how does that change the way you write about it?Jaylan Harrington  27:36  For me, I'd scribe most of the first two articles we did. What I really wanted to do was hone in on whatever was confirmed. So the, you know, we only got to the point that we could run the very first article. Once we had the fact that NC State was investigating that was confirmed we knew that and once we also had the video of Augustus Solinvictus, literally saying thanks for inviting me Chadwick. Seagraves, like, once we had those two things, it was like, okay, we can pare down all of the other stuff that we don't have confirmed and we don't actually have to highlight that, because we've got these two really solid things.Alicia Thomas  28:17  I also think it's like interesting to discuss, like, what is reportable and what isn't reportable or like, what isn't confirmed? Because what was reportable was that like, or there was so much stuff happening online, and like rumors swirling around, and that obviously, like, we can see that we can take screenshots of that and put that in the article and say, there is a lot of there are a lot of unconfirmed. I don't remember how we put it or even if we put it like that. I don't know, Jalen, can, I'm sure Rachel and I don't remember it as much as Jalen probably remembers that Rachel and I tend to like blackout when things like this are happening. When that's like rumors are swirling, we can report that, hey, students are talking about this. We've reached out to Mick Kulikowski, the spokesperson, and we'll provide updates. So like that's kind of how we treat like unconfirmed information to we can report that people are saying x, y, z about the situation, but we also have to reach out to like, the spokesperson and honestly, we have to reach out to see we had to reach out to Seagraves himself to get like it confirmed to be like HeyRachel Davis  29:49   I guess to go more off that about like the rumors and fact checking. There was a point in time where there's rumors on Twitter, that Chadwick Seagraves went to the Capitol riot in January. But we couldn't just put that out there because that's, you know, not very ethical without it being fact checked. And so we were able to, you know, do picture by picture fact-checking. And we were able to see that it was not him. Yeah, so I guess just a bunch of fact checking that takes a long time. And also being in constant contact with Mick Kulikowski University spokesperson asking like, because the investigation went on for a very long time. So emailing him, you know, every week every other two weeks about are there any updates on the investigation? And him just saying no. But yeah, being in constant like, following following up. I think when we first even reached out at that point, it had been, I remember was like an afternoon, I emailed him or I called him or something. He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.Alicia Thomas  31:04  Because and university libraries had said that he wasn't an employee there. So we were like, does this guy even work at NC State? There was like a lot of rumors swirling and, like, sometimes it just takes a long time, like I said, because at that point, the when the rumors started swirling around, the university had no idea what was going on. It broke fast. It was the talk of the town really quickly soRachel Davis  31:34  it definitely was and I remember talking to Melanie flowers to see the vice president that day. And she basically told me that she couldn't really say anything. And the university couldn't really say anything yet without everything being confirmed. Because there was just so much left out there that nobody knew.Jaylan Harrington  31:53  Yeah. And speaking of how it blew up on Twitter, we usually don't like tweet super early when a story like that breaks unless it's something very confirmed. But when it first broke, there was like an internet mob harassing NC State libraries and their like why is this white supremacist, and they're like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And we had to tweet and be like, okay, the guy that there are unconfirmed reports about works in IT leave the libraries alone was like the implicit message that says, Yeah, yeah, no mob goes wild.Laura Mooney  32:29  So I think that transitions really well. And the next question that I had, because there's so much, you know, I think that there's a lot of talk now about how people choose to express their opinions on the internet, and I will avoid divulging my own opinion there. But there is that, you know, Twitter specifically offers a platform for people to share their thoughts openly and very widely. So what feedback Do you receive on your coverage of this Chadwick Seagraves story. Rachel Davis  33:03  I say our coverage was very, people liked it. Just a short thing, because not a lot of people were reporting on it. I mean, WRAL and everybody was reporting on it. But we were kind of constantly reporting on it, or keeping up to date having updates every now and then, especially towards the end, when the investigation did end, I think we were probably the first or one of the first news outlets to say that they did not find any, like evidence against him.Laura Mooney  33:41   I'm going to skip around some questions a little bit. In your opinion, how was this covered by other outlets? You mentioned WRAL, I know that I've read articles by Indie week, like, how does your coverage differ from theirs?Alicia Thomas  33:57   I think the difference between our coverage and like other local papers and news organizations, coverage is number one, I think we just like because we were NC State we were here, I think it's a lot easier to get access to administrators that there are a lot more like I know. It was a lot easier to just like, or it's very quick to reach out to whoever we needed to reach out to in upper administration to get like information first. As well as I think like student perspectives and student sources. I think because we are student paper we've created like we have a reputation where we are reputable. I like to think with most with many students on campus and they felt like trust in us to confirm information and talk to us to get more background information or talk to us off the record which I don't know. I don't know if WRAL or news and observer Indy week, other outlets like that had, they probably maybe did, but I don't know if they had their student sources and that's where I think that difference is Rachel Davis  35:24  Definitely with the student trust, I would say it's a big thing because yes, I think WRAL was at the freezeout protest a couple months ago, but they were just there for like maybe an hour or so and we were there the entire time, like walking around with the group. Every now and then. Also we- I just lost my phone-Alicia Thomas  35:51  I'll pop in while your thinking. Yeah. But I think like with new local news outlets, I can say this like when WRAL when we're doing like updates to Chadwick Seagraves coverage because I know we did it, or there was like more news that came out. I don't know. Recently, there always is something to be updated about Chadwick Seagraves, but when that's happening, it's just this is happening at NC State and university is investigating this employee here the allegations, bam, it's done, article is done. And I think that our coverage has been more, more more more nuanced.Rachel Davis  36:34  Yeah, it goes into my point that I forgot earlier. But we are able to publish like, student explainer pieces. So we just published a piece about, like, freedom of speech and why Chadwich Seagraves was not fired, because of you know, government employee roles, his place at the university. So we're able to explain to students why the investigation went the way it did, which other outlets probably do not do that. Also, since we are at NC State, and we are students, we were able to write an editorial on our thoughts of the situation, which I don't think any other news outlet did.Laura Mooney  37:20  I think okay, so I have a lot of thoughts there. And I do agree completely that your coverage was extremely nuanced, and that you do have the benefit of proximity to the student body into the event itself, which provides access that other outlets may not have had. And I do think that came across in your coverages, which was why I was excited to talk about you, talk to you, not about you. You mentioned several times having a direct connection to the student body because of that community of trust that the technician has fostered over 100 years of functioning. And so what are your perceptions of the student bodies feelings? What were student reactions to the allegations and then also towards NC State's decision not to fire Seagraves?Alicia Thomas  38:08   I honestly think the majority opinion the majority of a student body is outraged by this decision to keep him at the university. I know at the freezeout protests there was maybe one or two counter protesters in favor like supporting Chadwick Seagraves, but the rest of the student body I mean, there's still protests going on I it kind of died down, but I think last Friday, there was a protest against him. So I would say that the majority of the student body is still very angry that he is an employee here. Rachel Davis  38:46  Yeah, and I think some I yeah, I think a lot of people are still incredibly angry. And yep there have been protests there was one a few days ago. In protest of the university's decision, I do think there might be a silent a silent decent crowd of people who don't think that, who who stand by the university's decision, I mean, I think that we saw very clearly in 2019, during the TP USA event, how split our campus really is in terms of political ideology. I think that NC State compared to like our other, the other schools that are nearby, Like Duke and UNC is far more in the middle, in terms of political ideology we have. So I do think that there is there are a decent amount of people who do stand by the university's decision to keep Chadwich Seagraves on staff or whatever. And I think that has been a point of contention, just like between students, obviously, and staff, and something that we probably should be covering more as well. Just thinking about it,Laura Mooney  40:22   I think you bring up a great point with the turning point, NC State chapter and the culture wars protest, or the protest against culture wars that happened. And I think you're right, I think it is 2019. You know, honestly, in my draft of questions that I had, I wrote that this is not the only highly publicized and controversial happening at NC State's campus in recent years, and then referenced this same event that we're talking about. My original question was, how do you think these events impact public perceptions of NC State? But truthfully, I don't really care about the branding of NC State. How do you think that the continued recurrence of you know issues centered around conservative discourse? How do you think that reflects within the student body? Like, is this representative of larger trends within the university system? In your opinion? Rachel Davis  41:21  This is a great question Laura, or Jaylen, you want to take that?Alicia Thomas  41:26  I was gonna say, Jaylen, you haven't spoken in a whileJaylan Harrington  41:30   Of course, I would love to take this question. Um, I think it's just representative of a trait in the world or at the very least, the United States. Now we're more polarized than we've ever been. And I think, you know, the election of Donald Trump really made it a meme to be antagonistic, it made a meme to be openly all the -ists that you can be. So I do think that that's going to continue to happen, we're going to continue to have these events, there's going to continue to be clashes, and they're probably going to get worse. I wouldn't imagine they're going to get better anytime soon.Laura Mooney  42:11  I think that's a great question. And I also do think that, as reported by, you know, publications across the country across the world, honestly, Donald Trump's influence on political culture, even beyond American borders is far more nuanced than I care to touch on in a 30 second audio clip. But within NC State, particularly, you know, these issues were brought to national platforms, particularly after turning point when Donald Trump invited NC State students and NCSU TP USA members to speak alongside him in Florida and other conventions that he had attended. So I guess in the wake of these kinds of things continuing to happen, as a voice of the student body, how do you believe that student media or students themselves can function to hold the university accountable in these instances?Jaylan Harrington  43:12  I think by recording the truth, it's funny that you mentioned that Donald Trump invited people to speak at rallies. One of the people he invited to speak was Jack Bishop, Jack Bishop during that time of the culture war, that claimed that he was spray painted in the face viciously by I forget who the group was nothing at NC State, I think. So we reported that we also went back and my video session did follow up recording with one of the people who was in the tunnel. And we had multiple eyewitness accounts, saying that was not what happened, essentially, that he moved his head into the way of this spraypaint. So things like that, where, you know, certain narratives are going to be started by certain people is our job to find out what the truth is. And usually the truth is all you're really going to need to combat that.Alicia Thomas  44:11  I definitely also think that, um, like you were saying, it has been just like with the election of Donald Trump, that, like Jalen said the ists have been more normalized and because of that, universities and other public entities like at other establishments are seeing manifestations of that. You look at what in 2018 when UNC tore down, toppled the Silent Sam statue, and just the slew of events that happened afterwards that you know, Just go into a more in depth discourse about race relations in the US and how that fosters or trickles down into even like a university system and how university administrators perpetuate racism. Even if it's not, quote, unquote, intentional, I don't know, if I'm articulate, articulating myself well, but I do think that there have been a lot of trends we've seen of people, people who are advocating for a change on a university level to be more inclusive and diverse, and be explicitly and consistently against racism, and implicit biases, biases, and all of that, and then that directly being challenged by people like, organizations like TP USA, or counter protesters, who were like no, f that essentially and will like come protest. Or if they say things online to people and threaten them. Again, he is threatened, we have to cover it. Laura Mooney  46:37  Of course, I think you bring up a great point with talking about how consciously or otherwise administrative functions can perpetuate, you know, barriers to equality that for generations, for centuries have been sought by people who have been historically oppressed and continuously oppressed by these same barriers, and the list goes on of people who are impacted by them. And what was the faculty sentiment towards this thing, I know that you covered specifically faculty discussions and commentary in response to NC State's choice not to fire Seagraves.Jaylan Harrington  47:16  It was really confusion. They were just as confused as we were. And I think they also had the added element of they knew that students were going to look at them as like a mediary, between them and NC State. So their biggest concern was basically looking at what the university had done and going, Hey, you say you have all these values? You also say, you know, you can't fire this guy. How are we supposed to defend you? What are we supposed to say to students? That was really, really the biggest point that hit me. Watching the faculty senate meeting was they were just as outraged as students are, they were probably more confused. And they just didn't really know what to do at all.Laura Mooney  48:06  Now, this is a question that we've asked other parties that we're interviewing In this segment, and I think it's important to ask your opinion as well. In your view, was NC State transparent during the investigation? Did they consult student media in any way during that process?Rachel Davis  48:26   I do not think the university was as transparent as they could have been. The only reasons why we heard things about the investigation is because we reached out first. And even after the investigation, they wouldn't really say, I'm not sure about the laws and what they can and cannot tell us. But when they did make the decision that there were no substantial allegations against him. They didn't like say what their process was, you know, they just didn't really inform us. They just kind of said, it's done. And he's fine.Jaylan Harrington  49:05  Yeah, I'd say even the faculty senate video that gave us a lot of information, a lot of context as to, you know, the process that leaked, that was not something that was freely put out. That was something that somebody recorded, went out by themselves. So the process was extremely not transparent. And I think that's why NC State is getting so much bad press from this so much bad wolf from this, if they'd just come out from the beginning and said, Look, he may have done this, but we just can't fire him. Sorry, guys. The conversation would be different than them uou know, not saying anything at all.Rachel Davis  49:45  okay to ask Jaylen and Alicia, if you remember, did they even put out a statement at all?Jaylan Harrington  49:52  They said they were investigating is what I remember. I think. Or is at the very beginning was like we don't like white supremacy, obviously. And that was about it. There was never a very big statement put out.Rachel Davis  50:06  Yes, I would say that their lack of a big statement or just explaining what was happening, besides we will be investigating is pretty weak. And I would have liked as a student for them to have addressed it better.Alicia Thomas  50:23   I think this is like an issue nationwide too. Because, again, talking about like the silent Sam stuff, the trend I've noticed, and I think that like Rachel and Jaylen to like, I think that student journalists and students are just frustrated at the lack of transparency and communication about issues that are extremely important to students. Yeah, I think that the only big statement we got was like, right was before when they were like, yeah, we hate racism, heart. And then like, at the end of the investigation, they were like, sorry, heart, he still works here. Peace, love. But like you're safe on campus, which was like,Rachel Davis  51:17  it's like, how do we know that? You know, it's like they're saying that we're safe on campus. But we're not. We don't know that because you're not telling us any information of what you did or how you combated this issue. Like, you can't trust not to be like, don't trust the university. But after they said that, how can you be sure,Laura Mooney  51:38  Trust has to be earned. And as a student at NC State, despite the fact that I don't believe I represent groups who are directly targeted by this kind of rhetoric, perpetuated at NC State. I still recognize that trust, as I said, must be earned. And without providing that background context. As you said, statements, it's really hard for the student body to meet NC State and say, okay, we accept this decision. Which leads us to the final question I have. How do you think this issue will be handled going forward? Do you think that it's over now?Rachel Davis  52:20  I do not think it's over with him. I you know, I think it's over with the whole discussion. I think there will be more instances of people like this coming out or getting exposed but for Chadwick Seagraves I don't think it's over for him either. The fact that there was a protest last week. And he's getting one of the things for the freeze out protest was people writing him letters, and he's being mailed a letter every day saying that he should resign. So it is definitely not over in any capacity.Alicia Thomas  52:55  Yeah, I don't I definitely don't think it's over with him. Like Rachel said, I definitely think there are more people on campus with similar beliefs that are laying low right now. who eventually people start to question their morality in their place in a diverse and inclusive campus. Yeah, I think it's not over and so long as people, so long as we people continue to talk about it, and we continue to report on it. I hope that it like, I hope this conversation in this dialogue continues. So that I mean, I think that's the point of student journalism, but it's to start conversations and affect change and I hope that happens,Rachel Davis  53:50  for sure. And like what you're talking about with the university, I hope we never seen learned from this situation and that if there are instances like this going forward, they know how to better improve and how to better, like you said build trust with the students with handling these situations.Laura Mooney  54:14  From the feedback provided by technicians, staff members, it is clear that this issue is anything but resolved. Furthermore, with student government continuing to send letters to Seagraves letters that currently remain unanswered, there yet exist cliffhangers in this story. As students and staff members alike continue to put pressure on the university to align their words with their actions. The disparity between the two is striking. For more information on this story, visit technicians website at technician online.com. Their coverage includes report on all relevant information, opinion pieces from both students and from Seagraves himself and a staff editorial in response to the initial news break. Furthermore, they've also published the university's official statement on the investigation towards Seagraves and its results audience for tuning into this reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. This has been Eye on the Triangle only on WKNC 88.1Transcribed by https://otter.ai

FULL TRANSCRIPT OF EPISODEProvided by Otter.aiEoin Trainor  0:00  The views and opinions expressed in Eye on the Triangle do not represent WKNC or the student media.Good evening Raleigh and welcome to this week's Eye on the Triangle an NC State student run and student produced news show on WKNC 88.1. I'm Eoin Trainor. On tonight's episode Elizabeth Esser is talking about NC State's return to in person classes this fall with Dr. Amy Orders the director of emergency management and mission continuity at the university. Afterwards, Laura Mooney and I report on the controversy surrounding Chadwick Seagraves, an NC State employee who was accused of being a member of the proud boys, stay tuned.Elizabeth Esser  0:45  This is Elizabeth Esser reporting for Eye on the Triangle. Joining us today is Dr. Amy Orders director of emergency management and mission continuity here at NC State to discuss the university's plann to return to in person classes this fall. Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. orders.Dr. Amy Orders  1:01  Thank you for having me, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to tell about great new changes on the horizon. Elizabeth Esser  1:07  To start us off, can you just tell listeners a bit about yourself and your position at NC State?Dr. Amy Orders  1:12  I have hit my 20th year at NC State. But my my position has evolved over the years within environmental health and public safety. And within COVID, it really took on a new a new face and a new paradigm of operation centric work was very important to move us forward in all the different phases. So our job has been to be responsive to the needs of the campus over the past year. Elizabeth Esser  1:35  How did the university come to the decision to return to in person class.Dr. Amy Orders  1:41   It was kind of an evolving conversation. We've been watching the public health information and changes in the CDC or recommendations from other public health entities for several months. And the whole idea is we knew we would return to normal and I have to use normal with air quotes at some point we were hopeful it would be sooner than not. So trending the virus itself that community transmission, the prevalence of vaccine and its distribution models, people, you know, following community standards, both outside of campus and in campus, all of that helped make a better informed decision on what was safe and appropriate to the idea of a normal fall really is a cascade effect over a couple of months. It requires us to go back and challenge what our safety practices are now what our community standards need to be what we need to do for changes in classrooms or physical spaces to invite people back to their offices or research environments or other areas. But all of that has to be mindful of the virus itself, we have to watch what happens in the public health sector. If we experience another wave of the virus and infections, then we need to be moderating in our decision making and pace appropriately. We're really hopeful though that normal fall can really mean back in the classrooms 100% or in a large capacity. Looking at our research operations, we've fully activated and then restoring our other campus special events, clinics, all of the above. So we are anticipating a normal start keeping that caveat in mind that if something changes, we pauseElizabeth Esser  3:14  So when we started with in person classes last fall seats were spread out. Teachers had plexiglass screens in front of them while they lectured. As of right now, what can we expect in person classes to look like in comparison to in person classes prior to COVID.Dr. Amy Orders  3:30  Some of the recommendations that are coming out slowly but steadily from the Centers of Disease Control really do tell us what the expectations are how to minimize exposure, maximize the experience. So one of the greatest examples that we're watching is public schools, you're seeing the decrease in the spacing. So we were at six feet physical distancing. And now the paradigm shifting to about three feet. When we in our classroom setting some of our classrooms may not be appropriate for different reasons. It could be ventilation, it could be the spacing, whatever that is, we'll continue to assess that even as recommendations come in and say hey, you can be closer together. In the fall though it was such an extreme situation, we were looking at every possible safety mechanism that layers into effect is the Swiss cheese model. If you can give Plexiglas and maximize distance and decrease the occupancy, then we minimize transmission in those facilities, what happens outside and you bring the virus in there, that's still a problem. Well, now that the virus load or the number of positive cases is going down, we can start removing layer by layer not all layers to be able to increase that experience as close to what we used to or we're accustomed to, in like the 2019 timeframe. So university will still look at these things very, very, very detailed and specifically such as plexiglass, like you mentioned, if a faculty member has some sort of experiential learning or in face obligation with a larger crowd. Maybe that Plexiglas is still appropriate because when you Talk, you actually spit, the aerosol is a concern. So we need to think about these things creatively and not assume that we take everything away because that may not be the situation.Elizabeth Esser  5:10  Residence halls will also return to full occupancy. Will any extra precautions be put into place there?Dr. Amy Orders  5:16  there are some standing precautions that we will maintain for sure. So, in our residence halls, single occupancy moving that back to regular double occupancy is is the goal. And still having a process for an exception as we have cases that are necessary to address but the heightened cleaning, having people understand what cleaning in their own personal space means. Understanding what it what the virus itself will exist in the background, how to protect yourself and be more effective and those measures will continue. The other part of it in the residence halls and across campus is messaging. We won't just take down everything that says you know, cover your face, wear your mask, it has to be a blend, a reminder, if it's cold and flu season, we tell people cover your cough and wash your hands. Let's do cold flu plus COVID because it will still exist. So still cover your cough wash your hands. It applies at home and the residence hall settings, it's going to be the same type of approach Elizabeth Esser  6:14  Does the university as of right now have plans for if there are major spikes in cases?Dr. Amy Orders  6:20  We keep that as a on the front burner conversation every day, our plans won't go away. So we will decrease the number of quarantine and isolation spaces in the fall. mindful though that at any point in time, if we have to increase those, again, we will so we have provisions in place kind of in a tiered process. If we have to go back and analyze what the best spacing policies are. We're hopeful that if everyone understands what the community expectations are, then we won't see those spikes we will go and have our social gatherings we may still have limitations on those gatherings. That's kind of a crystal ball that we don't have right now. But if we're able to look at those in a very methodical manner and make some plan decisions, then if we do have a spike we're ready to address.Elizabeth Esser  7:03  Finally, is there anything else that you would like for listeners to know about NC State's return to normal this fall?Dr. Amy Orders  7:09  I think there are two things that I'm going to add one is as some level of surveillance testing is going to have to continue. You know, it's going to be that COVID becomes endemic to society. At some point, it still exists, it's in the fabric. So it's just like seasonal flu it comes and goes. Our testing strategy may not be as pervasive as it is now. But some level of testing is still appropriate to make sure you're not missing some level of information that can better inform our decisions. The other thing is the vaccination process. It's starting to open up stores so widely, the opportunity to get the vaccine is making itself very much available to everybody. So in the next week or so you'll see the next group open, where we can actually invite the close to the 15,000 people who have pre registered for vaccination on campus into the vaccine clinic. Having that vaccination makes a world of difference because increasing the immunity across the board, we reach the closer to a herd immunity status that helps us get back to being able to gather and be in other places in a more social circumstance. I think between the two, because we're really cautious about how we're setting up campus physically, how we're telling people in our training, what to expect, setting the right expectations. It helps us also engage the individual and say some of this is on you. Get your vaccine or if not at your discretion. GO participate in testing, we would like to have that data help us meet in the middle. That will get us back to normal in the fall.Elizabeth Esser  8:37  Well, thank you so much again for joining us today. Dr. Orders. Awesome.Dr. Amy Orders  8:41   Thanks so much.Eoin Trainor  8:43  NC State University became embroiled in controversy this winter when some students began to question its commitment to inclusion and diversity. This came on January 11, when NC State announced that they would not take disciplinary action against Chadwick Seagraves, a university employee accused of being a member of the far right extremist group the Proud Boys. The allegations emerged last November when the anonymous comrades collective an anonymous left wing organization released a blog post and Twitter thread detailing Seagraves connections the group, the thread claims that he posted students and activists personal information online. It also includes photos from a 2017 anti Islam rally in Chapel Hill. These claim to show Seagraves pictured with Augustus Solinvictus, a prominent white supremacist who headlined the unite the right rally in Charlottesville that same year. Seagraves vehemently denies the allegations in a statement he said to paint me as a racist and fascist is heinous slander. NC State made its decision to not take action against Seagraves following a two month investigation into his conduct. In a statement, the University said the rigorous review did not substantiate any significant allegations. Following this announcement, student body president Melanie flowers signed an executive order designating January 19 as a day to protest the decision. I recently sat down with President flowers to discuss this, our interview details student government's perspective on the issue and offers a reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. For Eye on the Triangle I'm Eoin Trainor.First question, what was your and student government's initial reaction to NC State's decision to not take any action against Seagraves?Melanie Flowers  10:26  It was a few things. There was obviously a lot of disappointment at the results of the investigation. It's, it's frustrating, because I know, when all the information came out, at least for me, I was really nervous that there wouldn't be any actions that the university would be able to legally take with the investigation. And so that was really concerning for me seeing as the groups that the OIT employees affiliated with, I think it or I know it continues to spread and just perpetuate a culture of white supremacy on our campus. And that's, that's really nerve wracking, and unsettling, and, and more. And so it sucks, it more than sucks to, to know the university couldn't do anything about it. And it puts student government and myself and others in a place to think about what steps can we take to ensure that the people that the university employees are champions of diversity and inclusion and equity, like the university is trying to be?Eoin Trainor  11:38  In your view, was NC State transparent during the actual investigation? Did they ask for your input at all?Melanie Flowers  11:45  So I forwarded on information after it started to surface on social media. I wasn't asked for input. But legally, I don't have any role to play in the investigation. So that wasn't something that I would have really needed to be a part of anyways. Um, I think transparency is kind of a difficult topic, because I have I have the perspective of somebody who has the knowledge to know what legally can be put out for these kinds of cases and what can't be and like this is it's really an HR case. And I think students are definitely just very apprehensive in trusting the process and the University and I am too, because you just, you you see the results. And you see that Seagraves just continues to be employed here. And you wonder, like, what happened? And, and I get that, and I think that's why the transparency pieces, although legally, it was correct, I think I understand the frustration of what felt like crumbs of information the university was able to share.Eoin Trainor  13:04  Um, you signed an executive order creating a time and place for protests against the results of the investigation. What led you and student government to come up with this decision? Did you consider any alternatives?Melanie Flowers  13:18  This was one of the things that came out of my understanding of the fact that the university couldn't do anything legally. Student Government has a, a privilege and a power to use our voice in the way that our university as a public institution can't. And I didn't want to let that go to waste in student government. It's our job to represent students and voice their opinions and concerns in a way that's heard. And so this was our way of making sure that students knew that we were fighting for them. And we're feeling all of these things alongside them as well. And so this was this idea was really the idea. We didn't really consider other options it. It came about before the first day of classes, and it came about in about a week less thanEoin Trainor  14:13  can you tell us about how the protests went. What was your overall impression of what the students who were there were saying and what concerns they were expressing?Jaylan Harrington  14:23  So it was interesting, because we had to essentially publish the executive order in the protest, and the notification of the protests before students were back on campus. And even though students are back, we're not all here. So we kind of had a completely virtual launch of the protest. And there was a lot of online engagement across social media. And so we definitely felt like we had this student support. In person. We had a couple of dozen students attend and then we also had about 10 people for the virtual option which was awesome to see. attendees were thankful the ones that I interacted with, were thankful that we were saying something. And just making them feel like they weren't alone. I heard a lot of that because I think sometimes or not sometimes for a lot of students, you get this notification and you're alone in your residence hall. And you  you just wonder, like, Is anybody else feeling disappointed? Or is anybody else feeling scared? Or is anybody else angry or mad at this? And I think, actually speaking out provided that affirmation for a lot of students,Eoin Trainor  15:32  And your perception of how the general student body feels, is that any different or do you think it's fairly similar to the opinions expressed the protest?Jaylan Harrington  15:40  I'd like to think it's fairly fairly similar. I know there are definitely individuals who who question if it's student government's place to to protest at all, and there are definitely varying opinions about how we approached the situation. But from what I've heard, what I've seen, the the outcry about Seagraves, when you know, these accusations initially surface back in November, and how that continued over winter break, there's definitely a a larger message and group just just wanting to make sure that NC State is the place that we say we are. And so I think that's definitely the overwhelming the overwhelming opinion, it's just, we've got to do better and right now Seagraves continuing at the university isn't the university doing better,Eoin Trainor  16:25  Right, student government is planning on sending Seagraves one letter a day until he resigns. What does this been like so far? Has he responded? at all?Jaylan Harrington  16:37  I haven't gotten any responses to the office and we're sending them to the on campus office, I don't have his home address. My my guess is that they could be getting forwarded to his home address or they're there until or when he gets to the office. So yeah, that's, that's up in the air. I'm hoping to get a response.Eoin Trainor  17:00  And then even though NC State basically can't take any action, now the investigation is over. Do you think they should do anything else beyond the statements they've released to address the concern that they're not completely committed to equity and diversity?Melanie Flowers  17:16  Yeah, and I think some steps that we are taking, slowly, but surely, as I sit on several search committees, and what's starting to get added to job descriptions at the university is being a champion for the diverse populations that we serve. And it might not be those words exactly. But there are definitely statements and required qualities that are being implemented into all of these positions. It's not just the chief diversity officer who you have to have that competency. It's, it's a random engineer, it's a random instructor that needs to have that understanding. And so I think that's one of the ways that we're moving in the right direction to just make sure that objectively, when we ask anybody who's entering the university, what they're going to bring, we hope that inclusion and equity and a champion for everyone is a part of the qualities they're bringing to the university.Eoin Trainor  18:08  Given the controversy of the situation, has Student Government received any negative responses since the feedback? Have you received any threatening statements to either you or any of the protesters?Melanie Flowers  18:21  Yes. So as I said, I know there are opinions that disagreed with our, our strategy on addressing the situation. There are some comments on our Instagram page asking about you know, is this cancel culture is it SG's place to protest etc. And I think To that end, the University has done, I mean, as good as a job as it can to offer opportunities to educate yourself on diverse communities at NC State and really just in the world, and in North Carolina, and especially over the summer, those resources were shared very abundantly and pass that OIED offers DEI related trainings for for a lot of different communities. And I think there's just too much opportunity to learn, especially this year for this to be considered cancel culture. We, we know that white supremacy is a, a toxin to our community. And that's, that's not physics. So I feel as though there have been clear standards for what the university expects from its community members and those aren't met from what what I feel to be true about his actions and affiliations. Eoin Trainor  19:42  And then just to clarify like no, like any, just like complaints about like, cancel culture and stuff, not like threatening statements or anything, correct.Jaylan Harrington  19:52  Yeah, we, we were very fortunate to not receive death threats or anything of that nature. We did our best to protect the identities of protesters, it helps that everybody wears masks now. So that wasn't a huge concern. And then while we did take down names and contact information that was remained in the hands of a student government official, and its since then been discarded of and that was just for COVID-19 tracing in the event that that was a concern. We could contact people, but it was as anonymous as possible so we could ensure that peace would wouldn't be a concern.Eoin Trainor  20:32  And then, since the protest, is there anything else under your purview that he's been planning to do or have been able to do to address this situation?Jaylan Harrington  20:42  This is a really good question. I spoke to it earlier about the university kind of starting to standardize asking questions related to DEI in all interviews and how that's becoming a more standard piece of job descriptions. And so that's something that I will continue to push for in search committees that I'm a part of, and then also just trying to see what we can do to standardize that practice moving forward.Eoin Trainor  21:10  I think that's it but thank you so much for your time. Melanie Flowers  21:13  Awesome. I'm excited to listen for it thank you for covering thisEoin Trainor  21:22  OIED is NC State's Office for institutional equity and diversity. DEI stands for their diversity, equity and inclusion training programs. For more information you can go to diversity.ncsu.edu.Laura Mooney  21:37  President flowers interview sheds light on how NC State as an institution reacted to the allegations towards Seagraves. However, student perspectives vary greatly on this issue. For further information on student reactions and how other outlets covered the story. We reached out to members of Technician, NC State's longest standing student newspaper. For the latter half of this segment, we are joined by technician editor in chief Rachel Davis, managing editor Alicia Thomas and multimedia managing editor Jaylan Harrington. I'm Laura Mooney, and you're listening to Eye on the Triangle on WKNC 88.1.So let's just go ahead and do some introductions just for you know, when I introduce this segment, the audience members will want to know who's talking representing technician. So if you could share your names and positions at technician, that would be phenomenal. Rachel Davis  22:35  Hi, my name is Rachael Davis. I'm the editor in chief of technician.Alicia Thomas  22:41  I'm Alicia Thomas. I'm the managing editor at Technician.Jaylan Harrington  22:49  And I am Jaylan Harrington. I'm the multimedia managing editor of Technician.Laura Mooney  22:55  And for those who are unfamiliar with student media at NC State, I'm just going to do kind of a general overview question of why is student journalism important from the perspective of student journalists?Jaylan Harrington  23:11  I'll take that one. I think student journalism's important because it's really important to inform the student body of the current events that are happening on campus. We're really the only outlet that cares about the minute details that are happening on campus. So keeping the student body informed is really, really important to meRachel Davis  23:35  It also informs students about issues or maybe policies, the ways of the university that they may not have known about. Laura Mooney  23:45  The next thing I was going to ask was regarding informing the student body, what motivated you to cover this particular story? Rachel Davis  23:53  Well, right off the bat, that a student was being targeted by this employee.Alicia Thomas  24:02  To say, Yeah, I definitely think that that like, unique nature of the story was what was like, kind of shocking to us initially, because when we were sent a tip, I believe, I don't really know. I don't really remember who sent us what, at this point. It's been a minute since we started covering it. But I definitely think it was like, was so obscure, and like strange enough, but also like, preposterous, we were like, We need to look into it more. And that's kind of like what we do with like, weird stories like these when we have to, like investigate a little bit more because it was just like, some random employee and we were like, this cant be real. And thenLaura Mooney  24:52  Some random employee never heard of him before. Alicia Thomas  24:55  Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. Especially with like the political climate over the summer, that was a huge deal. You know, like all the Black Lives Matter protests, the black students petition on campus, this was just like another thing, showing like white supremacy in Raleigh. And just furthering that narrative, that was like huge over the summer.I think it kind of goes into, like, why student journalism is important, what like what we do at technician too because we feel it as journalists, and I'm sure, Laura, you understand as well. But like, as student journalists, we have a duty to inform students about who is around them on campus, and students have the right to know or feel safe and know whether or not campus is safe. So if that safety is threatened, obviously, that's newsworthy, and we have to cover it.Laura Mooney  26:00   Absolutely. And I think that's great commentary. Because in so many different ways, this situation was really I wouldn't say unprecedented. And we'll get into that later. But it was a really unique thing to look at. So because of all the nuances of this situation, how did the technician team handle covering the situation? What was your strategy for going about that? Well, I'll just say, it was really hard. because not everything was confirmed, right off the bat, because there were social media accounts where it did not have his name on it or attached to it. And we were kind of going off the metadata of the anonymous comrades collective. And we had no way to confirm that information, because we didn't have that information. So a lot of our coverage and articles on it was like, allegedly, and you know, surrounding around that language.Jaylan Harrington  26:59  I would also say it takes a lot longer than our recording usually takes, like, we were covering it like it was a breaking story, because it was breaking news to us. But we kept having to pause and wait for days to wait for more things to come out so that we can actually run something. So the articles took much longer to come out because of that.Laura Mooney  27:24  I guess regarding the fact that so much was unconfirmed at certain periods of time, how does that change the way you write about it?Jaylan Harrington  27:36  For me, I'd scribe most of the first two articles we did. What I really wanted to do was hone in on whatever was confirmed. So the, you know, we only got to the point that we could run the very first article. Once we had the fact that NC State was investigating that was confirmed we knew that and once we also had the video of Augustus Solinvictus, literally saying thanks for inviting me Chadwick. Seagraves, like, once we had those two things, it was like, okay, we can pare down all of the other stuff that we don't have confirmed and we don't actually have to highlight that, because we've got these two really solid things.Alicia Thomas  28:17  I also think it's like interesting to discuss, like, what is reportable and what isn't reportable or like, what isn't confirmed? Because what was reportable was that like, or there was so much stuff happening online, and like rumors swirling around, and that obviously, like, we can see that we can take screenshots of that and put that in the article and say, there is a lot of there are a lot of unconfirmed. I don't remember how we put it or even if we put it like that. I don't know, Jalen, can, I'm sure Rachel and I don't remember it as much as Jalen probably remembers that Rachel and I tend to like blackout when things like this are happening. When that's like rumors are swirling, we can report that, hey, students are talking about this. We've reached out to Mick Kulikowski, the spokesperson, and we'll provide updates. So like that's kind of how we treat like unconfirmed information to we can report that people are saying x, y, z about the situation, but we also have to reach out to like, the spokesperson and honestly, we have to reach out to see we had to reach out to Seagraves himself to get like it confirmed to be like HeyRachel Davis  29:49   I guess to go more off that about like the rumors and fact checking. There was a point in time where there's rumors on Twitter, that Chadwick Seagraves went to the Capitol riot in January. But we couldn't just put that out there because that's, you know, not very ethical without it being fact checked. And so we were able to, you know, do picture by picture fact-checking. And we were able to see that it was not him. Yeah, so I guess just a bunch of fact checking that takes a long time. And also being in constant contact with Mick Kulikowski University spokesperson asking like, because the investigation went on for a very long time. So emailing him, you know, every week every other two weeks about are there any updates on the investigation? And him just saying no. But yeah, being in constant like, following following up. I think when we first even reached out at that point, it had been, I remember was like an afternoon, I emailed him or I called him or something. He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.Alicia Thomas  31:04  Because and university libraries had said that he wasn't an employee there. So we were like, does this guy even work at NC State? There was like a lot of rumors swirling and, like, sometimes it just takes a long time, like I said, because at that point, the when the rumors started swirling around, the university had no idea what was going on. It broke fast. It was the talk of the town really quickly soRachel Davis  31:34  it definitely was and I remember talking to Melanie flowers to see the vice president that day. And she basically told me that she couldn't really say anything. And the university couldn't really say anything yet without everything being confirmed. Because there was just so much left out there that nobody knew.Jaylan Harrington  31:53  Yeah. And speaking of how it blew up on Twitter, we usually don't like tweet super early when a story like that breaks unless it's something very confirmed. But when it first broke, there was like an internet mob harassing NC State libraries and their like why is this white supremacist, and they're like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And we had to tweet and be like, okay, the guy that there are unconfirmed reports about works in IT leave the libraries alone was like the implicit message that says, Yeah, yeah, no mob goes wild.Laura Mooney  32:29  So I think that transitions really well. And the next question that I had, because there's so much, you know, I think that there's a lot of talk now about how people choose to express their opinions on the internet, and I will avoid divulging my own opinion there. But there is that, you know, Twitter specifically offers a platform for people to share their thoughts openly and very widely. So what feedback Do you receive on your coverage of this Chadwick Seagraves story. Rachel Davis  33:03  I say our coverage was very, people liked it. Just a short thing, because not a lot of people were reporting on it. I mean, WRAL and everybody was reporting on it. But we were kind of constantly reporting on it, or keeping up to date having updates every now and then, especially towards the end, when the investigation did end, I think we were probably the first or one of the first news outlets to say that they did not find any, like evidence against him.Laura Mooney  33:41   I'm going to skip around some questions a little bit. In your opinion, how was this covered by other outlets? You mentioned WRAL, I know that I've read articles by Indie week, like, how does your coverage differ from theirs?Alicia Thomas  33:57   I think the difference between our coverage and like other local papers and news organizations, coverage is number one, I think we just like because we were NC State we were here, I think it's a lot easier to get access to administrators that there are a lot more like I know. It was a lot easier to just like, or it's very quick to reach out to whoever we needed to reach out to in upper administration to get like information first. As well as I think like student perspectives and student sources. I think because we are student paper we've created like we have a reputation where we are reputable. I like to think with most with many students on campus and they felt like trust in us to confirm information and talk to us to get more background information or talk to us off the record which I don't know. I don't know if WRAL or news and observer Indy week, other outlets like that had, they probably maybe did, but I don't know if they had their student sources and that's where I think that difference is Rachel Davis  35:24  Definitely with the student trust, I would say it's a big thing because yes, I think WRAL was at the freezeout protest a couple months ago, but they were just there for like maybe an hour or so and we were there the entire time, like walking around with the group. Every now and then. Also we- I just lost my phone-Alicia Thomas  35:51  I'll pop in while your thinking. Yeah. But I think like with new local news outlets, I can say this like when WRAL when we're doing like updates to Chadwick Seagraves coverage because I know we did it, or there was like more news that came out. I don't know. Recently, there always is something to be updated about Chadwick Seagraves, but when that's happening, it's just this is happening at NC State and university is investigating this employee here the allegations, bam, it's done, article is done. And I think that our coverage has been more, more more more nuanced.Rachel Davis  36:34  Yeah, it goes into my point that I forgot earlier. But we are able to publish like, student explainer pieces. So we just published a piece about, like, freedom of speech and why Chadwich Seagraves was not fired, because of you know, government employee roles, his place at the university. So we're able to explain to students why the investigation went the way it did, which other outlets probably do not do that. Also, since we are at NC State, and we are students, we were able to write an editorial on our thoughts of the situation, which I don't think any other news outlet did.Laura Mooney  37:20  I think okay, so I have a lot of thoughts there. And I do agree completely that your coverage was extremely nuanced, and that you do have the benefit of proximity to the student body into the event itself, which provides access that other outlets may not have had. And I do think that came across in your coverages, which was why I was excited to talk about you, talk to you, not about you. You mentioned several times having a direct connection to the student body because of that community of trust that the technician has fostered over 100 years of functioning. And so what are your perceptions of the student bodies feelings? What were student reactions to the allegations and then also towards NC State's decision not to fire Seagraves?Alicia Thomas  38:08   I honestly think the majority opinion the majority of a student body is outraged by this decision to keep him at the university. I know at the freezeout protests there was maybe one or two counter protesters in favor like supporting Chadwick Seagraves, but the rest of the student body I mean, there's still protests going on I it kind of died down, but I think last Friday, there was a protest against him. So I would say that the majority of the student body is still very angry that he is an employee here. Rachel Davis  38:46  Yeah, and I think some I yeah, I think a lot of people are still incredibly angry. And yep there have been protests there was one a few days ago. In protest of the university's decision, I do think there might be a silent a silent decent crowd of people who don't think that, who who stand by the university's decision, I mean, I think that we saw very clearly in 2019, during the TP USA event, how split our campus really is in terms of political ideology. I think that NC State compared to like our other, the other schools that are nearby, Like Duke and UNC is far more in the middle, in terms of political ideology we have. So I do think that there is there are a decent amount of people who do stand by the university's decision to keep Chadwich Seagraves on staff or whatever. And I think that has been a point of contention, just like between students, obviously, and staff, and something that we probably should be covering more as well. Just thinking about it,Laura Mooney  40:22   I think you bring up a great point with the turning point, NC State chapter and the culture wars protest, or the protest against culture wars that happened. And I think you're right, I think it is 2019. You know, honestly, in my draft of questions that I had, I wrote that this is not the only highly publicized and controversial happening at NC State's campus in recent years, and then referenced this same event that we're talking about. My original question was, how do you think these events impact public perceptions of NC State? But truthfully, I don't really care about the branding of NC State. How do you think that the continued recurrence of you know issues centered around conservative discourse? How do you think that reflects within the student body? Like, is this representative of larger trends within the university system? In your opinion? Rachel Davis  41:21  This is a great question Laura, or Jaylen, you want to take that?Alicia Thomas  41:26  I was gonna say, Jaylen, you haven't spoken in a whileJaylan Harrington  41:30   Of course, I would love to take this question. Um, I think it's just representative of a trait in the world or at the very least, the United States. Now we're more polarized than we've ever been. And I think, you know, the election of Donald Trump really made it a meme to be antagonistic, it made a meme to be openly all the -ists that you can be. So I do think that that's going to continue to happen, we're going to continue to have these events, there's going to continue to be clashes, and they're probably going to get worse. I wouldn't imagine they're going to get better anytime soon.Laura Mooney  42:11  I think that's a great question. And I also do think that, as reported by, you know, publications across the country across the world, honestly, Donald Trump's influence on political culture, even beyond American borders is far more nuanced than I care to touch on in a 30 second audio clip. But within NC State, particularly, you know, these issues were brought to national platforms, particularly after turning point when Donald Trump invited NC State students and NCSU TP USA members to speak alongside him in Florida and other conventions that he had attended. So I guess in the wake of these kinds of things continuing to happen, as a voice of the student body, how do you believe that student media or students themselves can function to hold the university accountable in these instances?Jaylan Harrington  43:12  I think by recording the truth, it's funny that you mentioned that Donald Trump invited people to speak at rallies. One of the people he invited to speak was Jack Bishop, Jack Bishop during that time of the culture war, that claimed that he was spray painted in the face viciously by I forget who the group was nothing at NC State, I think. So we reported that we also went back and my video session did follow up recording with one of the people who was in the tunnel. And we had multiple eyewitness accounts, saying that was not what happened, essentially, that he moved his head into the way of this spraypaint. So things like that, where, you know, certain narratives are going to be started by certain people is our job to find out what the truth is. And usually the truth is all you're really going to need to combat that.Alicia Thomas  44:11  I definitely also think that, um, like you were saying, it has been just like with the election of Donald Trump, that, like Jalen said the ists have been more normalized and because of that, universities and other public entities like at other establishments are seeing manifestations of that. You look at what in 2018 when UNC tore down, toppled the Silent Sam statue, and just the slew of events that happened afterwards that you know, Just go into a more in depth discourse about race relations in the US and how that fosters or trickles down into even like a university system and how university administrators perpetuate racism. Even if it's not, quote, unquote, intentional, I don't know, if I'm articulate, articulating myself well, but I do think that there have been a lot of trends we've seen of people, people who are advocating for a change on a university level to be more inclusive and diverse, and be explicitly and consistently against racism, and implicit biases, biases, and all of that, and then that directly being challenged by people like, organizations like TP USA, or counter protesters, who were like no, f that essentially and will like come protest. Or if they say things online to people and threaten them. Again, he is threatened, we have to cover it. Laura Mooney  46:37  Of course, I think you bring up a great point with talking about how consciously or otherwise administrative functions can perpetuate, you know, barriers to equality that for generations, for centuries have been sought by people who have been historically oppressed and continuously oppressed by these same barriers, and the list goes on of people who are impacted by them. And what was the faculty sentiment towards this thing, I know that you covered specifically faculty discussions and commentary in response to NC State's choice not to fire Seagraves.Jaylan Harrington  47:16  It was really confusion. They were just as confused as we were. And I think they also had the added element of they knew that students were going to look at them as like a mediary, between them and NC State. So their biggest concern was basically looking at what the university had done and going, Hey, you say you have all these values? You also say, you know, you can't fire this guy. How are we supposed to defend you? What are we supposed to say to students? That was really, really the biggest point that hit me. Watching the faculty senate meeting was they were just as outraged as students are, they were probably more confused. And they just didn't really know what to do at all.Laura Mooney  48:06  Now, this is a question that we've asked other parties that we're interviewing In this segment, and I think it's important to ask your opinion as well. In your view, was NC State transparent during the investigation? Did they consult student media in any way during that process?Rachel Davis  48:26   I do not think the university was as transparent as they could have been. The only reasons why we heard things about the investigation is because we reached out first. And even after the investigation, they wouldn't really say, I'm not sure about the laws and what they can and cannot tell us. But when they did make the decision that there were no substantial allegations against him. They didn't like say what their process was, you know, they just didn't really inform us. They just kind of said, it's done. And he's fine.Jaylan Harrington  49:05  Yeah, I'd say even the faculty senate video that gave us a lot of information, a lot of context as to, you know, the process that leaked, that was not something that was freely put out. That was something that somebody recorded, went out by themselves. So the process was extremely not transparent. And I think that's why NC State is getting so much bad press from this so much bad wolf from this, if they'd just come out from the beginning and said, Look, he may have done this, but we just can't fire him. Sorry, guys. The conversation would be different than them uou know, not saying anything at all.Rachel Davis  49:45  okay to ask Jaylen and Alicia, if you remember, did they even put out a statement at all?Jaylan Harrington  49:52  They said they were investigating is what I remember. I think. Or is at the very beginning was like we don't like white supremacy, obviously. And that was about it. There was never a very big statement put out.Rachel Davis  50:06  Yes, I would say that their lack of a big statement or just explaining what was happening, besides we will be investigating is pretty weak. And I would have liked as a student for them to have addressed it better.Alicia Thomas  50:23   I think this is like an issue nationwide too. Because, again, talking about like the silent Sam stuff, the trend I've noticed, and I think that like Rachel and Jaylen to like, I think that student journalists and students are just frustrated at the lack of transparency and communication about issues that are extremely important to students. Yeah, I think that the only big statement we got was like, right was before when they were like, yeah, we hate racism, heart. And then like, at the end of the investigation, they were like, sorry, heart, he still works here. Peace, love. But like you're safe on campus, which was like,Rachel Davis  51:17  it's like, how do we know that? You know, it's like they're saying that we're safe on campus. But we're not. We don't know that because you're not telling us any information of what you did or how you combated this issue. Like, you can't trust not to be like, don't trust the university. But after they said that, how can you be sure,Laura Mooney  51:38  Trust has to be earned. And as a student at NC State, despite the fact that I don't believe I represent groups who are directly targeted by this kind of rhetoric, perpetuated at NC State. I still recognize that trust, as I said, must be earned. And without providing that background context. As you said, statements, it's really hard for the student body to meet NC State and say, okay, we accept this decision. Which leads us to the final question I have. How do you think this issue will be handled going forward? Do you think that it's over now?Rachel Davis  52:20  I do not think it's over with him. I you know, I think it's over with the whole discussion. I think there will be more instances of people like this coming out or getting exposed but for Chadwick Seagraves I don't think it's over for him either. The fact that there was a protest last week. And he's getting one of the things for the freeze out protest was people writing him letters, and he's being mailed a letter every day saying that he should resign. So it is definitely not over in any capacity.Alicia Thomas  52:55  Yeah, I don't I definitely don't think it's over with him. Like Rachel said, I definitely think there are more people on campus with similar beliefs that are laying low right now. who eventually people start to question their morality in their place in a diverse and inclusive campus. Yeah, I think it's not over and so long as people, so long as we people continue to talk about it, and we continue to report on it. I hope that it like, I hope this conversation in this dialogue continues. So that I mean, I think that's the point of student journalism, but it's to start conversations and affect change and I hope that happens,Rachel Davis  53:50  for sure. And like what you're talking about with the university, I hope we never seen learned from this situation and that if there are instances like this going forward, they know how to better improve and how to better, like you said build trust with the students with handling these situations.Laura Mooney  54:14  From the feedback provided by technicians, staff members, it is clear that this issue is anything but resolved. Furthermore, with student government continuing to send letters to Seagraves letters that currently remain unanswered, there yet exist cliffhangers in this story. As students and staff members alike continue to put pressure on the university to align their words with their actions. The disparity between the two is striking. For more information on this story, visit technicians website at technician online.com. Their coverage includes report on all relevant information, opinion pieces from both students and from Seagraves himself and a staff editorial in response to the initial news break. Furthermore, they've also published the university's official statement on the investigation towards Seagraves and its results audience for tuning into this reflection on one of the semesters most controversial moments. This has been Eye on the Triangle only on WKNC 88.1Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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