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Ryan and Kendall set sail for Harper's Island and talk about the first episode of the thirteen episode miniseries, "Whap!"Support the show

Modern life can seem tumultuous. Struggles come that could derail us or even make us feel our roots are being pulled up. But there are ways to thrive despite adversity. Join us for this timely discussion full of practical tips.Let's talk about releasing stress, giving up the pursuit of approval, being more accepting. Let's flow. Let's breathe. Join me as I invite Tiesha N. Bryant to discuss these important self care principles with me.1. What do the words self care and mental health mean to us?2. How have we been able to practice resilience?3. When did we make it a priority to thrive in spite of adversity? How did we deal with adversity prior to this? How has that changed our lives?4. Tips, tools, techniques5. What have these done for us? How have you seen others impacted?We have a lot to talk about.Tiesha N. Bryant, "The Parent Healer," is an accomplished author, speaker, and licensed master social worker. As CEO of We Have A Purpose Inc. (WHAP), she leads efforts in providing vital prevention and intervention services to at-risk families. Through Resilient Family Wellness LLC, Bryant offers expert coaching and consulting, specializing in parenting and emotional distress. Her degrees from Florida A&M University and Troy University underscore her dedication to social work. Hailing from Pittsview, Alabama, Bryant balances her roles as a wife and mother with her commitment to community service, empowering families to thrive despite adversity.Tiesha N. Bryant all social mediawww.tieshanbryant.comEmailtieshanbryant@gmail.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-zennurgy-podcast/exclusive-content

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"Many might think that a remote island, if left alone, should keep its uniqueness. But they're under threat at the moment from impacts and drivers way bigger than ourselves." Don Whap and Madeina David are Natural Resource Management Officers with the Torres Strait Regional Authority (TSRA). They work in close partnership with 14 communities across the Torres Strait to monitor and protect the natural values of the Sea Country in this unique region. They work alongside rangers, communities and research partners to conduct seagrass, turtle, dugong and coral reef monitoring programs. The TSRA works to protect the ecological complexity and biodiversity of the Torres Strait region, and the strong and enduring connection of Torres Strait Islander people to their islands and sea.The Ecological Society of Australia acknowledges the Traditional Owners and Custodians of country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to their Elders past, present and emerging. Help the ESA support ecology in Australia by donating (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.ecolsoc.org.au/get-involved/donate/donation-form⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) or by becoming a member (https://www.ecolsoc.org.au/get-involved/become-a-member/). The music in this podcast is 'Glow' by Scott Buckley - www.scottbuckley.com.au. Episode image credit - Gary Heathcote. Season image credit - Russell Charters.

Sintonía: "Whap!" - Jack McDuff"I Want A Little Girl", "Mr. Lucky" y "Blues And Tonic", extraídas del álbum "The Honeydripper" (Prestige, 1961) del teclista Jack McDuff"Goodnight, It's Time To Go", "Sanctified Waltz", "McDuff Speaking" y "I´ll Be Seeing You", extraídas del álbum "Good Night, It's Time To Go" (Prestige, 1961)Todas las músicas interpretadas al órgano Hammond B-3 por Brother Jack McDuffEscuchar audio

Unit 8 is all about the Cold War and Decolonization.  This podcast will cover the basics of the Cold War between Communism and Capitalism. Also this podcast will cover the reasons for Decolonization. And the podcast will give an overview for the reasons why the Cold War came to an end in 1991. You will get the big examples you need for the AP test. You can listen to this in the car, on the bus or out on your run. Because…remember…you have a lot to do and not much time to do it in!!

Unit 7 is all about Global Conflicts.  This podcast will cover the change in empires to nation states. Also, the podcast will explain the significance of the Two World Wars.  And the podcast will go over the Mass Atrocities unique to the 20th century. You will get the big examples you need for the AP test. You can listen to this in the car, on the bus or out on your run. Because…remember…you have a lot to do and not much time to do it in!!

Merry Christmas!! Hey, can you pick me and Reegs up from the airport? We just flew in from HELLAX and boy are our arms tired. Luckily the in-flight entertainment was this week's best horror movie ever made, Constantine (2005)!   We're keeping things on theme for Plutember 3: All Georgie Picks: Week 2: With Reegs, talking about a psychic detective, bespoke leather accessories, character names like "doubleface" and our write-in campaign for the WHAP boys to get involved in Constantine 2! #WHAPBoysGetInvolvedInConstantine2. hmm... maybe that hashtag could still use a little work.   PS: the final episode of Plutember will be the bonus episode of the month, JP and I discussing George Romero's The Amusement Park, only behind the dreaded paywall!!!! Sign up now so you don't miss out on this and many more great bonus episodes.     Production note: While editing this episode it felt noticeable to me that I was a little scattered. Sadly my "producer" and dear friend Stevie the cat has passed away, and this was recorded a few days before that happened. I was trying to just keep things on schedule since there wasn't much I could do but her illness was definitely on my mind, so I apologize for any moments that seem a little distracted.    

www.goodluckgabe.life   Soothing Relaxing Soft-Spoken ASMR    I want to share a little relaxation exercise that has helped me tremendously over the years, and that I believe can help you too, no matter where you are, no matter what you're doing, no matter who you're with or why you're with them. I want you to think about someone who bothers you. Think about that person that hurt you. That person who embarrassed you. That person who makes you so angry That person who disgusts you Who gets on your nerves Who grinds your gears Who makes you act the fool Who drives you cuckoo bonkers crazy town Imagine this person who has wronged you, time and time and time again Draining you, sucking you dry, of any lifeforce you still have left at the end of the day After working tirelessly Sitting in traffic Waiting in lines Talking and smiling and nodding  Yes sir yes ma'am yes they yes them You come home And you just wanna watch your shows And eat a little garbage And jerk your little genitals So you can finally go to sleep But that person is still there In your mind Lingering Stinking up the place  Staring at you Yelling in your face Molesting you Terrorizing you Pulling on your feet Poking and prodding and teasing you Putting whipped cream in your hand and tickling your nose with a feather Writing mean things about you on Facebook Telling everyone in your life About that silly thing you did So nobody will ever forget Scoffing at you Laughing at you Pushing you around Shoving you into lockers Stealing your lunch money Borrowing your car And not refilling the tank Ignoring your texts for week ands months at a time And not acknowledging your old messages when they finally text you back about something completely unrelated Getting defensive when you tell them how they've hurt you Guilt tripping you by passive aggressively saying they're just the worst person in the world wallowing in self-pity, instead of just accepting responsibility for their actions and attempting to make amends or improve themselves in any meaningful way, or at least acknowledging your needs and emotions without making it about their own Gaslighting you into thinking you were always the bad one Dunking your head in the toilet Drawing caricatures of you and putting them on the fridge Editing pictures of you so you look a little fatter and uglier before uploading and tagging you in them Asking to copy your homework everyday for 4 years and then dropping out Asking you for large loans and spending it on vacations and drugs and fortnite battle passes while still owing you  Drawing and quartering you in the public square In front of all of your friends and family Pulling your shorts down, during PE Ripping open your tearaway trackpants while you're stretching Tying your shoelaces together Throwing wet paper towels on you and shutting the bathroom lights off while you're sitting in the stall Announcing to everyone within earshot that you're in there taking a big stinky shit Agreeing to help you with the thing you need help with And then being really annoying about it Complaining, sighing, rolling their eyes, And holding it over your head for the rest of your life reminding you of every favor they've ever done for you, no matter how small Sending you memes you already sent them 3 weeks ago Reading your journal and making vague references to things you wrote Denying that they ever read your journal Finally admitting they read your journal but not apologizing for it because they dont think it was wrong Trying to convince you they violated your privacy because they care about you and wanted to help you Pelting you with rotten tomatoes Overwriting your save files Playing ranked matches on your account and getting you kicked out of your clan Kicking you out of the house Letting your cat play outside by the busy road where they drive like maniacs Messaging you on Instagram about business opportunities Liking all of your pictures from 2012-2016 Reporting your debt to all three major credit bureaus Eating your food but telling you it went bad so they threw it away for you Pushing your head into your cake as you blow out the candles  Smacking you up the backside of your head as you lean in to take a sip of your drink, shoving the straw into your lip and taking a chunk out of your gums Judging you for being broke Criticizing you for being upper middle class Mocking your lack of brand loyalty Skipping your songs Talking over your movies Asking about your day and rolling their eyes as soon as you open your mouth Spitting in your water cooler Signing you up for email newsletters you would have no interest in Stretching out the collar of your favorite shirt Pissing and shitting on the collar of your favorite shirt Donating your favorite shirt to salvation army Drinking the gay beer Eating the gay chicken sandwich Sucking the gay penis Flushing your nonflushable wipes Fucking your unfuckable wife Eating up all the chitlins Referring to you in the 3rd person when you are in the room participating in the conversation  Critiquing your style every time they see you Giving unsolicited advice Blaming it on the weed when they're being ignorant and retarded Blaming it on not having weed when they're being a cranky asshole  Denying their addictions Forgetting to invite you to the function and then calling you drunk at 1am saying where you at bro you should be here bro fun ass night bro Forgetting the times you were at the function and saying nah bro you weren't even there when ur talking about what happened  Repeating the joke you just said but a lot louder while winking at you  Berating you Degrading you Humiliating you via their jerk off podcast that you're still listening to cuz you fucking hate yourself and have nothing to live for Reading and ignoring your comments, DMs, and emails Telling you to please fucking kill yourself for the love of god And imagine crushing them, squishing them, squeezing them between your toes until their head pops like a zit Taking a baseball bat and giving em a good WHAP to the side of the head while they scroll tiktok Using a pair of rusty pliers to rip their nipples off and air frying them and eating them with buffalo dip Ripping their pubic hair out with your teeth and forcing them to help you waterpik the pubes out of your mouth Imagine digging in their bellybutton with your fingers until it's uncomfortably raw and u don't let them scratch it or put lotion on it or whatever Giving their podcast a bad rating on spotify Prying their fingernails off and glueing them to their teeth like veneers Waxing their eyebrows off and wearing them like a mustache imagine wiping up their blood with a sponge Wringing it out over your head Feeling their hot blood hit your face Dripping down your cheeks and chin Licking your lips Tasting their sweet sweet juice Running down your chest  Rubbing it around your nipples gently Lubing yourself with it Masturbating with it It feels so good, so satisfying Surprising them and making them fall backwards ass-first onto a lone mason jar  Locking them in a cage and lighting them on fire and recording it with a drone  Picking them up by the nape of their neck like a cat Stabbing them multiple times with a large knife At least 30 times with a large sharp knife Digging and twisting in their fat stomach with a large sharp knife Scooping our their flesh with a wooden spoon Scraping their bones with a metal spoon Forcing them to work overtime every Sunday Forcing them to work every holiday Denying every single one of their PTO requests Shoving a shotgun in their mouth and just rattling it around knocking their teeth loose Licking the tears off their cheeks Starting an IV and slurping their blood up like a milkshake through a silly straw Locking them in a large industrial front loading tumble dryer and running it on medium heat for 3 hours with one 15 minute break each hour and no dryer sheets no wrinkle shield Commenting on their posts but not liking them Eating a few of their fries while they're in the bathroom but not enough for them to notice Smothering them with a Ghislaine maxwell in a bikini body pillow Spraying them in the eyes with the hello kitty mace Smashing their face with an awfully hot coffee pot Projecting two girls one cup onto every surface of their house and calling it an art exhibition so a bunch of fucking retards come to take selfies with it and feel cultured Turning their childhood home into a selfie museum Stealing their catalytic converter and making them eat it uncooked Making them do a hot ones style challenge but it's cat poop instead of wings Hiding a piece of cheese between their mattress and box spring Telling their significant other that they made out with two girls and put their head between a cocktail waitress's breasts  Putting acid in their drink and convincing them that they've been locked in a psych hospital for the last 20 years and everything they see and hear is all in their heads and that the only way to wake up and escape is to kill themselves Squeezing their toes in a flat iron until they pop like corn kernels  Imagine murdering them in cold blood, and not even attending the funeral   Now I want you to focus on the resolution Let it go. Imagine feeling sorry Imagine apologizing for ever letting these silly thoughts and actions get in the way Thanks for listening Like comment subscribe Good luck and goodnight Namaste   Another day of being in complete awe of my endowment, at my size. My god, my bulge, it's undeniably huge. I caught a look at myself in the mirror and had to stop and marvel at my size. I am absolutely huge. My dick looks like an alien mothership. My god I'm getting rock hard just thinking about it. I'm literally nearly tipping over the desk I'm sitting in as I write this from my massive shaft forcing its way up. Anyway sometimes I swear my dio09dd09 90dalkds kj9 whoa almost lost the keyboard what I was saying is that my dick will get a mind of its own and just have its way. I was once having sex with this girl and as I thrust my throbbing cock into her I essentially catapulted her as my shaft goes from 120 degrees to 20 in about 0.000012 seconds and she flew 10 ft into the air and hit her head on the ceiling. God. My cock is just so fucking huge my god it's massive. Just this absolutely throbbing massive dick. I woke up this morning and I looked down and it was like mount everest in the form of bedsheets front of me. Rock solid. I just marveled at my cock. I am turned on by my own size and I love every fucking minute of it. I'm fucking huge and I love it. My size. My size. My endowment. One time I was at a bar with a girl and everyone could see the outline of my shaft in my pants and everyone was trying to awkwardly look away until one guy said "whoa Mr BigDick coming through" and everyone laughed and 2 guys patted me on the back. I could tell the girls in the bar who had boyfriends were envious of me and one guy looked defeated as I passed by him and made him look like a minature ken doll dwarfed by my gigantic cock. I feel bad for them honestly having to be compared to my endowment. Later that week I went back and all the girls were sitting in a corner eyeing me and my bulge and the girl I was with said she told them all about my size and that's all they could think about. They knew and knew I knew and I knew they knew I knew about what was going on and I firmly told them it was no big deal and they all squealed and went wild one of them even fainted. Also, I just want to remind everyone who has a massive dick....don't ever take a picture of it because it will make nearly all men on earth feel inferior to you and give unrealistic expectations to girls and guys everywhere. I took a picture of my dick once and apparently it was shared by everyone on earth because later I went into the Smithsonian and saw a picture of it and it was labeled as the most impossibly perfect dick to ever grace the universe and two men were on their knees worshipping it while another man was in the fetal position whimpering. One time too I was on discord and a guy named "BigDick99999" had my dick pic as his profile pic. I won't lie, it was a bit of a confidence boost. Later in the bathroom there was only one urinal in the middle and two guys and when I whipped it out they both enviously glanced at my endowment endowment endowment endowment and one of them said I thought they didn't allow horses in here and the other guy gulped loudly. He then, blushing, bashfully said that my wife is very lucky and must be very happy. The first time I realized I was well endowed and my size was consierable was when my mom was driving and lost control of the car in the snow and when she went to grab the clutch my huge donger was ocuppying the dashboard (due to its demanding size) and she said "I want you to wear tighter pants from now on." There are downsides though. This one girl said she could handle me as we were discussing dick size in my apartment. After I told her my size she said I would be the biggest. Then she said she could handle me anyway. Well let me tell you 2 hours later (somewhat related, all the magnum XXXLLLL condoms ripped as usual) in the ER proved her wrong. It was an awkward conversation with the hospital staff and I could tell everyone was uncomfortable but also clearly impressed as my size was creating a bulge, a huge bulge with purpose, from my endowment. Finally a doctor blurted out that I was the biggest he's ever seen and he has seen 1000s a day but none as big as mine. I had to go to the bathroom later but just looking at the toilet there's no way it would have been able to handle my size. My endowment.  

The Shane Schneider Memorial episode,  featuring tracks exclusively from his collection.1)James Blood Ulmer/"Moon Shines"/Tales of Captain Black '782)Brotzmann/Bennink/"No.3"/Ein Halber Hund Kann Nicht Pinkeln '773)Roscoe Mitchell/"Nonaah"/Solo Saxophone Concerts '734)Andrew Cyrille/"The Loop"/The Loop '785)Ornette Coleman/"Him and Her"/Of Human Feelings '796)John Coltrane/"Peace on Earth"/Concert in Japan '667)Heiner Goebbels/Alfred 23 Harth/"Lightning Over Moscow"/Live Victoriaville '878)Braxton & Bailey/"Another Rehearsal Extract"/Live at Wigmor '749)Arthur Doyle/"Hey Minnie Hey Wilbur Hey Mingus"/Plays & Sings From the           Songbook '9210)Shannon Jackson & the Decoding Society/"Small World"/Nasty '8111)Joseph Jarmen/"Little Fox Run"/Song For '6612)Oliver Lake/"Whap"/Passing Thru '74

PLUTEMBER concludes with an action packed episode of WHAP. Is Felts fun? What is our dog secretaries name? Listen and let us know on Twitter @HeardPlutoPod

It's Plutember! Celebrate the correct way by cracking open a brand new episode of WHAP. We discuss S4 E9, car chases, and have an explosive P.E.E corner. Listen and leave us a nice review

This Unit 3 Review is all about revolutions of Ideas, Revolutions against Oppressive Governments, and Revolutions in different forms of industry.

The Psych Boys are back and just in time for Pluksgiving! We hope you're celebrating by spotting pineapples, Gus Gushing and of course, listening to this episode of WHAP and rating it 5 stars. You know that's right

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The Psych Boys are back with a brand new season of WHAP! We dive into many topics on this one...dog secretaries, meanings of "Carry" and, of course, the premier of season 4 of Psych. Listen, leave us a review and follow us on Twitter @HeardPlutoPod

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Welcome to WHAP's Wizarding Career Day! What do you want to become? From Alchemists to Wandmakers, there's a magical job for just about anyone (including a few that Angie & Angelina made up on their own). Listen in as the ladies run through the ridiculousness of some canon jobs, and discuss what the wizarding world is lacking in terms of careers. Can you think of any they might have missed?And don't forget about Googs Has A Problem! This week, the ladies read bad reviews of two aquariums (one deserves it, one doesn't).Like what you hear? Support the podcast through Buy Me A Coffee!Music: www.bensound.comSupport the show

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POW! WHAP! BIFF! The bat is back, but is he better than ever? We discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of Matt Reeves' new Batman film starring Robert Battinson, Zoe Catvitz, and Paul iDunno? Those are all puns based on the characters they play! It can only go up from here. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lineofsight/message

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It's not every day that you can hear a great conversation with the Head of Product of Excel. Brian Jones sits down with us and talks about the past, present, and very promising future of Excel. Rob and Brian go way back, and the stories and laughs abound!   Check out this cool World Orca Day Excel template for kids!   Episode Timeline: 4:00 - Brian's lofty title is Head of Product at Excel, The importance and magic of Excel, and people's a-ha moments with Excel 20:25 - The difficulty of not seeing your projects' impact on the world and how the heck does Bluetooth fit into the story?!, Rob and Brian reminisce with some funny conference stories 32:00 - The XML file format and some very neat XML tricks that everyone should know about 51:25 - The birth of the Excel Web App and Rob can't believe some of the things that Brian's team has done with Excel 1:05:00 - How to onboard the Excel, VLOOKUP, and Pivot crowd into data modeling and Power BI, and the future of Excel most certainly includes the Lambda function (maybe!) Episode Transcript: Rob Collie (00:00:00): Hello, friends. Today's guest, Brian Jones, head of product for this thing you might've heard of called Microsoft Excel. Brian and I go back a long way. We were both youngsters at Microsoft at the same time, and we both worked on some early features of Office apps, and we're friends. Really, really have sincerely warm feelings about this guy, as you often do with people that you essentially grew up with. And that's what we did. When Brian and I first worked together, he was working on Word and I was working on Excel. But even though Brian was on Word at the time, he was already working on what we would today call citizen developer type of functionality in the Word application. So even though we were essentially on different sides of the aisle within the Office organization, we were already finding ourselves able to connect over this affinity for the citizen developer. Rob Collie (00:00:55): Now we have some laughs during this conversation about how in hindsight, the things he and I were working on at the time didn't turn out to be as significant as we thought they were in the moment. But those experiences were very valuable in shaping both of us for the initiatives that came later. Rob Collie (00:01:11): Like almost everyone at Microsoft, Brian has moved around a bit. He's worked on file formats for the entire Office suite, which ended up enabling Power Pivot version one to actually function the way that it should. He's worked on Office-wide extensibility and programmability, back to that citizen developer thing again. And in that light, it's only natural that Excel's gravity reeled him in. And in that light, it's only natural that someone like that, someone like Brian, found his way to Excel, and it really is a match made in heaven. And if you permit me the Excel joke, that turned out to be a great match. Rob Collie (00:01:50): We took the obligatory and entertaining, I hope, walk down memory lane. We spent a lot more time than I expected talking about file format. And the reason why is that file formats are actually a fascinating topic when you really get into it. Lot of history there, a lot of very interesting history and challenges we walked through. And of course, we do get around to talking about Excel, its current state, where it's headed, and also the amazing revelation for me that monthly releases actually mean a longer attention span for a product and how we ended up getting functionality now as a result of the monthly release cycle that would have never fit into the old multi-year release cycle. We were super grateful to have him on the show. And as usual, we learned things. I learned things. I have a different view of the world after having this conversation than I did before it, which is a huge gift. And I hope that you get the same sort of thing out of it. So let's get into it. Announcer (00:02:56): Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please? Announcer (00:03:03): This is the Raw Data by P3 Adaptive podcast, with your host Rob Collie and your cohost Thomas Larock. Find out what the experts at P3 Adaptive can do for your business. Just go to p3adaptive.com. Raw Data by P3 Adaptive is data with the human element. Rob Collie (00:03:26): Welcome to the show. Brian Jones, how are you, sir? Brian Jones (00:03:30): I am fantastic. Thank you for having me, Rob. I'm excited. Rob Collie (00:03:33): So let's start here today. Well, you and I go way back, but today, what's your job title and what are your responsibilities? Brian Jones (00:03:42): So today, my job is I'm the head of product for the Excel team. So I lead the team of product managers that are tasked with or given the honor of deciding the future of Excel, where we go with Excel, what are the set of things that we go and build Rob Collie (00:03:59): Head of product. That's a title that we didn't have back when I was still at Microsoft. We did at one point have something called a product unit manager. Is it similar to that? How does that relate? Brian Jones (00:04:11): That's a good question. So we're continuing to evolve the way that we use titles internally. So internally, we have titles that still for most folks externally don't make any sense, like program manager, group program manager, program manager manager, director of program manager. And so for externally, whenever I'm on LinkedIn or if I do PR interviews, things like that, I use the term head of product. Internally, we don't have the term head of product. Rob Collie (00:04:37): Okay. All right. So that's a translation for us. Brian Jones (00:04:40): Yes, exactly. Trying to translate the Microsoft internal org chart to something that makes more sense to folks. Rob Collie (00:04:49): Yeah. So things like, if we use the word orthogonal, what we're really saying is that's not relevant. Brian Jones (00:04:53): Exactly. Rob Collie (00:04:54): That kind of decoder ring. Brian Jones (00:04:57): I didn't realize orthogonal [inaudible 00:04:59] until you said it and I'm like, " Oh yeah, no. Of course, that is completely a ridiculous term to use." Rob Collie (00:05:03): Or I don't know if they still do this, but an old joke that Dave [Gayner 00:05:07] and I used to have, it was all his joke at the time. It was big bet. Do we still talk about big bet? We're going to place a big bet. Brian Jones (00:05:14): Yep. Big bet or big rocks. Big rocks. You know the- Rob Collie (00:05:17): Big rocks. Whoa. Brian Jones (00:05:18): Yeah. It's kind of an analogy. You've got a jar and you want to fill it with the big rocks first, and then you let the sand fill in the rest of the space. So what are the big rocks? Rob Collie (00:05:26): Okay. Yeah. But big bet was one that we used to always make fun of. Brian Jones (00:05:31): Especially when there'd be, "Here are the big bets," and there's 20 of them. Rob Collie (00:05:34): Yeah. The joke I think we used to make was we would call something a big bet when we really didn't have any good reason for doing what we were doing. Anyway, all right. So you're head of product for Excel. That is a pretty heady job. That's pretty awesome. Brian Jones (00:05:52): It's a pretty fun job. Absolutely. Rob Collie (00:05:54): I mean, you're not lacking for eyeballs in that business, are you? We're all friends here. We're all on the same side of this story. I mean, it is the lingua franca of business, Excel. It is the business programming tool. People don't necessarily think of it as programming, but formulas are a programming language. To be head of product for the platform, you could call it an application, but really it's probably more accurate to call it a platform that is, I think, is the single most critical platform to business in the world. That's pretty amazing. Brian Jones (00:06:30): Absolutely. And that's usually the way that we talk about it internally. It depends on who your audience is externally when you're talking about it. But yeah, Excel is a programming language. I remember even before, back when I was on the Word team, but I would go and meet with PJ, who ran program manager for Office all up. And he'd always referred to Excel more as an IDE. And that didn't totally resonate with me at the time because to me, Excel was just a list app, an app for just tracking things. I didn't totally understand what he meant by that, but I'd nod cause he was super important and smart. And it wasn't really until I started working on the team that I was like, "Oh, I totally understand all these things that PJ used to reference." Rob Collie (00:07:06): This one of the things I had been dying to ask you is when you and I first met, I was working on the Excel team, but still had... Gosh, this was year 2000 maybe, maybe 2001. And even though I was nominally part of the Excel team at that point, I still didn't really know Excel, and you were working on Word. So the thing we both had in common at that point is that we didn't know Excel. So I wanted to get your perspective. I know that you've done some things other than Word, but we were already sort of teasing this. So let's just get into it. What's it like to come from "outside" Excel and how's that transition? How do you view Excel differently today versus what you did before? We already started talking about that. The list keeper. That's very common way for people to view it. Brian Jones (00:07:53): When I first started, yeah, I was on Word, although I was working on more kind of end user developer type of pieces of Word. That's how you and I first interacted because we were talking about XML. The first feature I owned was a feature called easy data binding to Excel. And the whole idea was when you could easily bring content from Excel into Word, but then create a link back so that the content in Word would stay live. And a lot of this stuff that I did while I was on Word was all about trying to make Word a little bit more of a structured tool so that people could actually program against it because Word is completely unstructured. It's just free-flowing text. So trying to write a solution against that is almost impossible because you can't predict anything. So we did a lot of work to add structure, whereas Excel out of the gate has all that structure. So it's just much easier to go and program. Brian Jones (00:08:39): If I had gone straight from Word to Excel, it would have been a little bit more of a shock, but I actually had about eight years in between where I was running our extensibility team. So a lot of the work we would do was revving the add-in model and extensibility for Excel. So I got some exposure there. When we did all of the file format stuff and the whole file format campaign, That was a couple of years where I was working really closely with a bunch of folks in Excel, like Dan [Badigan 00:09:06] and folks like that. So I had a bit of exposure, but I'll tell you when I first joined, I had a similar job, but it was for the Access team and we were building up some new tech. Brian Jones (00:09:17): Some of it still is there today. Office Forms came out of some of the investments that we were doing in Access. But when I showed up into Excel, I was very much in that mode of, "Why don't the Excel folks, get it? Everything should be a table with column headings." And like, "That's the model. And why do they stick with this grid? Clearly word of it is eventually going to go away from the printed page as the key medium. Excel's got to go away from the grid. And they've got to understand that this should just be all tables that can be related." And thankfully, I was responsible when I joined and didn't try and act like I knew everything. So I took some time to go and learn. Brian Jones (00:09:52): And it didn't take me long. We have some crazy financial modeling experts on the team and stuff like that, where I'd say it was maybe six months in that it clicked for me where I understood those two key pieces. The grid and formulas are really the soul and the IP of Excel. The fact that you can lay out information really easily on a grid, you have formulas that are your logic, and you can do this step-by-step set of processes where each cell is almost like another little debug point for you. [Cal captain sub 00:10:20] second, and it's the easiest way to go and learn logic and how to build logic. Brian Jones (00:10:25): I didn't get any of that at that time, but you pick it up pretty quickly when you start to look at all the solutions that people are building. And now, obviously, I've been on the team now for five years, so I'm super sold around it. But I'd say it took me a little while and I'm still learning. It takes a while to learn the whole thing. Rob Collie (00:10:41): Yeah. It's funny. Like you said, Word's completely unstructured. You're looking in from the outside and you're like, "Well, Excel is completely structured." Then you get close to it. You're like, "Oh no. And it's not, really." Brian Jones (00:10:52): No. Not at all. Rob Collie (00:10:53): I mean, it's got the cells. Rows and columns. You can't avoid those. But within that landscape, is it kind of deliberately wild west? You can do whatever you need to. You're right. Okay. So tables, yes. Tables are still very important. But you've got these parameters and assumptions and inputs. And what do you do with those? I mean, they're not make a table for those. Brian Jones (00:11:19): Yep. Absolutely. I think that the thing that I started to get really quickly was the beauty of that. Like you said, it's unstructured. You have nice reference points. So if you're trying to build logic, formulas, you can reference things. But there's no rule about whether or not things go horizontally, vertically, diagonally, whatever. You can take whatever's in your mind that you're trying to make a decision around and use that flexible grid to lay it out. It's like a mind map. If you think about the beauty, the flexibility of a mind map, that's what the grid is. You can go and lay out all the information however it makes the most sense to you. Brian Jones (00:11:53): Really, that's what makes Excel still so relevant today. If you think about the way business is evolving, people are getting more and more data, change is just more constant, business processes are changing all the time. So there are certain processes where people can say, "This thing is always going to work the same way." And so you can go and get a vertical railed solution. That's why we use the term rail. That's kind of like if I always know I'm going to take this cargo from LA to San Francisco, I can go and build some rails, and I got a train, it'll always go there and do the same thing. But if business is constantly changing, those rails are quickly going to break and you're going to have to go off the rails. Excel is more like a car than a train. You can go anywhere with it. And so as the business processes change, the people who are using Excel are the same people who are the ones changing those business processes. Those are the business folks. And so they can go and evolve and adapt it and they don't have to go and find another ISV to go and build them another solution based on that new process that's probably going to change again in six months. Thomas Larock (00:12:52): So Brian's been in charge for five years of Excel, and he's sitting there telling us how there's still more to learn. And two weeks ago, we all got renewed as MVPs. And so I was on the MVP website, and I'm going through all the DLs I can join because that's all a manual process these days. I'm like, "Oh, there's the Excel MVP DL. I don't know why I haven't joined this yet." So I click. I'm immediately flooded with 100 emails a day. 100 emails a day. Now, I don't believe I am a novice when it comes to Excel. I don't. I know I'm not on you all's level at all when it comes to it. You build and work and live the product. But I know my way around enough that I can explain things to others when they say, "I'm trying to do this thing." "Oh, I think it's possible." Thomas Larock (00:13:40): But I read these passionate MVPs that you have and the stuff that they highlight, and it's not complex stuff. It's like, "Hey, this title bar seems to be wider in this." And I'm like, I might not even notice this stuff. And I see these features that aren't a complex feature, but I'm like, "I didn't even know that was there. I didn't even know you could do that. Oh, you can do that too." There's so much. And like you said, it's a programming language. It's an IDE. It's all these things. As [Sinopski 00:14:10] said, "It's the killer app for Windows." To have the head of product say that, there's just so much. He really means it. There is a lot to it. And it is something that is malleable and usable by hundreds of millions of people a day. Brian Jones (00:14:25): Yeah. Rob Collie (00:14:26): My old joke is, if you want to know how good someone is at Excel, just ask them, "How good are you at Excel?" And then take their answer and invert it. Brian Jones (00:14:37): That's absolutely true. Rob Collie (00:14:38): If someone says, "Yeah, I'm really good at it," You know they don't have any clue because they haven't glimpsed the depth of that particular mine shaft. And once someone has been to the show, they know better than to oversell their knowledge because they know they can't know everything. Rob Collie (00:14:54): You say you're good at Excel. And then the very next question is one that you're not going to be able to answer. So you got to be careful. [inaudible 00:15:00] person views Excel as Word with a grid. And that's not obviously what it is, but that's the oversimplification for... I don't know... maybe 80% of humanity. Brian Jones (00:15:10): Yeah. And the thing is, there's a lot more that we're doing in the app now to try and make it, one, more approachable, because there's a set of folks that just find it really intimidating, for sure. You open it up and it's this huge, dense grid. Like, "Hey, where do I start? What should I go and do? I've never even heard of this thing before." In the past, a lot of stuff that we would do, we never really thought about those first steps of using the app because we were always like, "Well, everybody knows our app. We're going to go and do the things for everybody that knows our app." And I think we're doing a better job now trying to think, "Well, there's a bunch of people who don't know about our app. Let's go and figure out what the experience should be like for them." Brian Jones (00:15:43): But we've done a lot with AI where we're trying to get a little bit better about... We look at your data. Recommend things to you. So we'll say, "If you've got a table of data, hey, here's a pivot table." You may not have even heard of the pivot table before. So really more like, "Hey, here's a summary of your data." You want to go and insert that. Brian Jones (00:16:00): In fact, those tests are always fun because then we get to work with people who've really haven't ever used a pivot table. So it's always fun to hear the words that they use to describe what a pivot table is. It's like, "Oh wow, you grouped my data for me." Or stuff like that like, "Wow. That's a nice name for it too." So we're trying to do more of that to expose people to really those higher-end things. But those things where for those of us that use it, once you discover that stuff, you're even more hooked on the product. You're like, man, that first experience of somebody built a pivot table for you and you realize, "Oh my God, I didn't know I could do this with my data. Look how much easier it is for me to see what's going on," and trying to get more people to experience that kind of magical moment. Thomas Larock (00:16:39): Now imagine being me and only knowing pivot through T-SQL and that magical day when you meet Rob and he's like, "You just pivot table [inaudible 00:16:49]." And you're like, "How many hours have I wasted? Why didn't someone tell me?" Brian Jones (00:16:56): Yeah. We get that a lot when we'll go and show stuff. Oftentimes, the reaction is more frustration. "I can't believe I didn't know about this for the past five years." Rob Collie (00:17:05): We get that all the time now with Power Pivot and Power Query and Power BI in general. The target audience for that stuff hasn't been really effectively addressed by Microsoft marketing. But even back, just regular pivot tables, such a powerful tool, and so poorly named. You weren't around on the Excel team, Brian, when I waged a six-month campaign to try to rename pivot table to summary table. Brian Jones (00:17:31): Oh really? Rob Collie (00:17:31): Yeah. Brian Jones (00:17:31): How long ago was that? Rob Collie (00:17:33): Oh, well, it was a long time ago. I mean [crosstalk 00:17:35]- Brian Jones (00:17:36): Pivot tables had already been out for quite a while. Rob Collie (00:17:37): Oh God. Yeah. I mean, they were long established. They were in the product. I didn't even know what they did. Believe it or not, I worked on the Excel team for probably about a year before I actually figured what pivot tables could do. People would just throw it around all the time on the team like, "Well, once you have the data, then you can chart it. You can pivot it," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I would fit in- Brian Jones (00:17:58): You would nod? Rob Collie (00:17:59): I would fit in... I would also author sentences like that, that had the word pivot in it. It was a pretty safe thing to do. There was no downside to it. But believe it or not, the time that I discovered what pivot tables are for... you'll love this... I was trying to figure out how to skill balance the four different fantasy football leagues that I had organized within the Excel and Access team. I wanted to spread it out. Levels of experience. I've got this table of data with the person's name and their level of experience and my tentative league assignment. And just this light bulb went on. I'm like, "Oh my God, I bet this is what pivot tables are for." Total expertise by league. Like, "Oh, look at that. It's totally it." That was a big change for me. That was during the release, Brian, where you and I were working together. Brian Jones (00:18:54): I think I played on one of those fantasy football leagues. Rob Collie (00:18:56): You might have. Brian Jones (00:18:57): I was one of the people with zero experience. I remember going into the draft not knowing... I knew football, but I didn't know anything about fantasy football. Rob Collie (00:19:03): That's right. We did loop you in. So let's do that way back machine for a moment. That release when you and I met was the first release on Excel. I was the lead at that point. It was my first time being a lead. It was the first time I was in charge of a feature set, and it was really my baby, this XML thing we were doing. And the reason for that was because no one was paying any attention. That was this weird release. For a whole release, Office went and tried to do cloud services without having any idea what that really was going to mean. And so we stripped all of the applications down to skeleton crews. And this is really the only reason why on the Excel side, some youngster like me was allowed to be a lead and come up with a feature, because no one cared. No one was paying any attention. There was no one minding the store. Rob Collie (00:19:48): I remember being so wild-eyed enthusiastic about how much this was going to change the world, this XML import export future. And I mean, you might as well just take it out. I can't imagine it's being used hardly at all today. I bet Power View is used more often than the XML import export feature. You all have done a pretty good job of hiding it. So kudos. But it was a good thing to cut my teeth on. I learned a lot of valuable lessons on that release. Rob Collie (00:20:24): How do you feel about the XML structure document work that you were doing in Word at the time? Do you kind of have the same feeling looking back at it that I do? Brian Jones (00:20:33): It was a similar thing. In fact, we did rip it out a couple of years later. I think that when you and I would talk about it, we would talk about these scenarios that were super righteous and great. And then we just start geeking out on tech. And then we would get way too excited about the tech and we kind of forget about those initial scenarios. We wouldn't stop and think, "Wait a minute. These users we're talking about, are they actually going to go and create XML files?" Because you need one of those to start with before any of this stuff makes sense. And no, of course, they're not. But for me, a lot of it started from that. Like I said, one of my first features was that easy data binding to Excel feature. And we thought, "Hey, maybe XML would be a good tech for us to use as a way of having Word and Excel talk to each other," because clearly they have different views on what formatting is and how to present information, but the underlying semantic information, that could be shared. Brian Jones (00:21:20): And so I could have a set of products show up in Excel as a table. And when they come into Word, they look more like a catalog of products. That totally makes sense. And we just did a lot of assumptions that people would make, do all the glue that was really necessary. And of course, they didn't. So I had the exact same experience. The other big thing that was different back then for us was we would plan something, meet with customers for six months, but then it'd take three years to go and build it. We had no way of validating that stuff with customers because we couldn't get them any of the builds. And then even after we shipped it, they weren't actually going to deploy it for another three-plus years. And so the reality is from when you had the idea to where you actually can see that it's actually not working and people aren't using it is probably about six years. So you've probably moved on to something else by then. Brian Jones (00:22:04): The only way you really as a PM got validation that your feature was great was whether or not leadership and maybe press got excited about your thing, but you didn't get a whole lot of signal from actual customers whether or not the thing was working, which is obviously completely different now, thank goodness. Rob Collie (00:22:18): Yeah. That Is true. It took some of the fun out of being done too, now looking back at it, like the day of the ship party, when we were done with the three-year release. "Okay, fine." We'd dunk each other in fountains and there'd be hijinks and stuff. But the world did not experience us being done. That was purely just us feeling done. And then it was like you take a week off maybe, and then the next week, you're right back to the grind at the very beginning. You never got the payoff. Even if you built something really good, by the time the world discovered it and it was actually really helping people at any significant scale, you're no longer even working on that product. Brian Jones (00:22:57): Yeah. You're doing something completely different. Rob Collie (00:22:59): You might be in a different division, both finding out the things in real time that Rob Collie (00:23:03): [inaudible 00:23:00] Both finding out the things, sort of in real time, that aren't working. That's the obvious advantage, right? But there's also this other emotional thing. Like you never got the satisfaction when you actually did succeed. Brian Jones (00:23:11): Right. You didn't see it actually get picked up, adopted. Millions and millions of people using it, which is what the team gets now. We no longer pick a project and say, "Okay, how many people and how long is this going to take?" You really just try and figure out what's critical mass for that project. And then you just let them run. And you'd be really clear around what are the goals and outcomes they're trying to drive. And they just keep going until they actually achieve that. Or we realized that we were wrong, right? And we say, "Hey, we thought people are going to be excited about this. It's not even an implementation thing. We were just wrong. We misread what people really were trying to do. Let's stop. Let's kind of figure out a way of moving off of that and go and figure out what the next thing is we should go and do." Rob Collie (00:23:50): That era that we're talking about right now. The 2003 release of Office. I was still very much a computer science graduate and amateur human. That's exactly backwards, it turns out, if you're trying to design a tool that's going to be used by humanity. Brian Jones (00:24:08): Well, it's what leads you to get really Excited about XML? Rob Collie (00:24:12): That's right. Yeah. That's right. Tech used to have such a power in my life. I'm exactly the opposite now. Every time I hear about some new tech, I'm like, "Yeah, prove it." I am not going to believe in this new radical thing until it actually changes the world around me. I'm not going to be trying to catch that wave. But XML did that to me. It was almost a threat. If we don't take this seriously, we're going to get outflanked. It got really egregious. Rob Collie (00:24:42): I had a coworker one time in that same release in the middle of one of my presentations asked me. This guy wasn't particularly, in the final analysis, looking back, not one of the stronger members of the team, but he had a lot of sibling rivalry essentially in his DNA. And he'd asked me in front of his crowded room, "Well, what are you going to do about Bluetooth?" And, we didn't know what Bluetooth was yet, right? It was like, unless I had an answer for what we were going to do about Bluetooth and Excel, right? Then I was not up on things. You know, the thing that we use to connect our headphones. At the time, Bluetooth was one of those things that might just disrupt everything. Brian Jones (00:25:29): It was funny. It was at that same time, I was asked to give a presentation to the Word team about Bluetooth. We were all assigned things to go and research as part of planning and that was one of the ones I was asked. And I gave a presentation that was just very factual. Here's what it is. And I was given really bad feedback that like, "Hey, I wasn't actually talking about it strategically and how it was going to affect Word. I was just being very factual." And I was like, "I don't understand. I don't understand what success looks like in this task." Right. Rob Collie (00:25:59): I remember going, a couple of years later, going into an offsite, those offsite big, I don't know if you all still do those things, big offsite, blue sky brainstorming sessions. There was this really senior development lead that was there with me. And he and I were kind of buddies. At one point, halfway through the day, he just leans over to me and says, "Hey, I'm going to the restroom and I'm not coming back." And I looked at him in horror, almost like "Thou dost dishonor the offsite!?" And he's like, "Yeah, you know, I've never really believed that much in this particular phase of the product cycle. It's never really meant anything to me. It's all just BS." It was just devastating. I just knew it was right. He was... Brian Jones (00:26:46): But you didn't want to, you didn't want to believe that. Rob Collie (00:26:52): I mean, I felt so special. I was invited to the offsite, the big wigs and everything. Brian Jones (00:26:57): They have nice catering too, Rob Collie (00:26:59): Yeah and he was totally right to leave. Brian Jones (00:27:04): I always remember getting super nervous to present stuff for those. Once it was actually, it was one of our XML ones where I was trying to convince, it was my attempt to get us to create an XML file format, which actually ended up, obviously, happening. But I got an engineer to go to work with and we had Word through an add-in, start to write to XML. And it was just a basic XML format. And then I built all of these... it was like asp.net tools that would go and then create an HTML version of the Word doc that was editable. And it also even created, I think it was called WHAP, I don't remember, like a tech for phones. It was back when you didn't have the rich feature phones, but these basic ones. Brian Jones (00:27:41): And so I created this thing that was almost like a SharePoint site. So you could take all your Word docs, go through this add-in, and then you could actually get an HTML view of them to edit it and a phone view of them to go and edit it. Brian Jones (00:27:51): I think it was probably 2002 or 2001, but I was so excited to go and show that at the offsite because I was like, "Okay, this is where I make it, man. Everybody's going to be so excited about me." But I don't know. I think everybody was excited about Bluetooth at that point or something. Yeah. Rob Collie (00:28:05): Oh yeah Bluetooth, WHAP was so 15 minutes ago. So there's a few, irresistibly funny or interesting things I want to zero in on from that era before we come back to present, and we're definitely going to come back to present, for sure. Rob Collie (00:28:21): First of all, we went to a conference like some W3C sponsor. I don't think it was necessarily W3C affiliated, but it was the XML conference. Brian Jones (00:28:31): The one in Baltimore? Rob Collie (00:28:32): Yes. Rob Collie (00:28:33): Okay. Now two very, very, very memorable things happened at that conference. I bet you already know one of them. But the other one was, and we're just going to make this all this anonymous person's fault. Okay. We're not going to abdicate any responsibility. And we're just going to talk about our one coworker from Eastern Europe who brought his wife and they had vodka in their hotel fridge, or freezer, or something like that. And every day I would wake up and say, "I am not going to get suckered into that again." Rob Collie (00:29:12): And then the next day I would wake up and say the same thing. That was a tough trip. Brian Jones (00:29:16): I definitely remember that. Rob Collie (00:29:18): Even on my young, relatively young, body at the time that... Trying to keep up with that, that was difficult. But the single most outstanding memory from that conference, and we will also leave this person anonymous. But there was an executive at Microsoft who was hotter on XML than either you or I, which is hard to believe, right. And we ended up with the sponsored after hours session at this conference. You remember this? You see... Brian Jones (00:29:45): I do. Rob Collie (00:29:46): You know where we're going. Okay. So this was a 30 minute sponsored by Dell or something. Right. It was a 30 minute session, at 5:00 PM, at the end of a conference day where everyone's trying to go back and get to the bars or whatever, right.? But, it's a Microsoft executive, it's Dell sponsored, we'll show up. And the plan was at the end of this 30 minute talk given by this executive, he was going to bring all of us up on the stage to show everyone the team that had done all of this, right? Great plan. Except it was the worst presentation in history. I remember it running for two hours. It was so bad that we started off with 200 people in the room and at the end of it, and I'm just like an agony the whole time cause like I'm associated with this, right? Rob Collie (00:30:31): At the end of these two hours, or what felt like two hours anyway, it was easily 90 minutes. There's five people left in this room of 200 and it's not like the presentation is adapted to the fact that it's a smaller audience. It's just continued to drone on exactly as if everyone was there, right? And I'm sitting here thinking, "Okay, he's not going to call us all up on this stage. There's been more people on the stage than in the audience. If he does this, he's clearly not going to do that." And then he did and we all had to parade up there and stand there like the biggest dodos. I've never been more professionally embarrassed I don't think, than that moment. Rob Collie (00:31:14): And we're all looking at each other as we get up out of our seats like, "Oh my god." Brian Jones (00:31:19): I definitely remember this. Rob Collie (00:31:22): I don't see how you could have forgotten. Brian Jones (00:31:23): Well, yeah. And the person that we're talking about is actually one of my favorite people on the planet. I totally... I love this guy. I view him as like a mentor and everything, but... Which makes me remember it even more. Brian Jones (00:31:34): I think it was just, there was so much excitement. There'd been so much build up to this and this was like a kind of crescendo right? Of bringing this stuff. We probably should have had it a little bit shorter. Rob Collie (00:31:46): I mean when it reaches the point where clueless, mid twenties, Rob Collie is going, "Oh no, this is not the emotional, this not the move." You don't do it. Brian Jones (00:31:58): I'm no longer excited about being called up. Rob Collie (00:32:04): So from my perspective, you kind of parlayed that experience of the XML and all that kind of stuff. I think you did a really fantastic job of everything you guys did on that product. Again, it was the relevance that ultimately fell flat for both of us right. I guess in the end, the excitement with XML wasn't really all that appreciably different from the excitement about Bluetooth. I mean, it's everywhere, right? XML is everywhere. Bluetooth is everywhere and neither one of them really changed things in terms of what Excel or Word should be doing. It seemed like you played that into this file format second act. And I think very, very, very effectively, actually there was a little bit of controversy. Rob Collie (00:32:43): Let's set the stage for people. This was the 2007 release of Office where all the file formats got radically overhauled. This is when the extra X appeared on the end of all the file names, right? Brian Jones (00:32:58): Yeah. Rob Collie (00:32:58): There was a controversy internally. Kind of starting with Bill actually. That we shouldn't make well-documented transparent file format specs, right. There was this belief that the opaque file formats of the previous decades was in some sense, some big moat against competition. And of course, a lot of our competitors agreed. Tailor out in the public saying, "Yes, this is a barrier to competition. It's a monopolistic, blah, blah, blah." We, Microsoft had just gotten its ass kicked in the Anna Truss case. So it was really interesting. I credit Brian, your crew, with really advocating this very effectively. That's a difficult ship to turn. First of all, you got all these teams to buy into all this extra work, which no one wants to do. But when it's not even clear whether you have top level executive support, in fact, you might actually have C-suite antagonism towards an idea. To get it done. That's a career making achievement. I'm sure you remember all of that. Right. But what are your reactions to that controversy? Do you remember being in the midst of that? Brian Jones (00:34:12): I do. It was definitely a long running project. It evolved over quite a number of years. The beginning of it was, in that previous release, the XML stuff you and I were talking about was more about what we called "Custom XML". Right? So people would go and create for themselves. But in that same release, we had Word, we outputted an XML format that was our definition, which we called "Word ML" and Excel did a similar thing. Words' we try to make full fidelity. So you could save any word document in the XML format. Excel's was kind of a tailored down, it was less about formatting, it was more, "Hey, here's like..." It's almost like, "Here's a better version of CSV, right. But we're going to do it as XML." And so we already had a little bit of that. Brian Jones (00:34:53): And the whole reason we were looking at that was, on the Word side, for instance, a lot of the customer issues that we'd get where people would have corrupt files, they were corrupt because they there'd be some add-in that they had running or some third party app that was reading and writing word files. The files were fairly brittle and complex. The binary format... The binary format was written back in the days of floppy disks, right? So the top priority was how quickly can you write to a floppy disk and read from a floppy disc, right? It wasn't about, how easy is this for other people to go and read and write? Not because it was on purpose, make it hard. It was just the primary bid is let's get this thing so it's really easy to read and write from floppy, right? Brian Jones (00:35:31): And so in Word, we were like, "Wow, I think that there's a bigger opportunity here for an ecosystem around Word if we make it easy for people to read and write Word docs and build solutions around them." And so then the next release, the Excel team was looking at doing some big changes around a lot of the limitations, like how many rows you could have in columns, right. Lengths of like formulas and things like that. Right. And so there was this thing where the Excel team was like, "We are going to need to create a new file format." And on the word side, we thought this XML thing was great. We want to move to that as our new format. Brian Jones (00:36:01): And so everything kind of came together and it was clear. Hey, this is going to be the release that we are going to go and rev our file format, which we hadn't done in a while. This is also the release of the ribbon. So there were two really big major changes in that product, right? It was the new file format and the ribbon. It's funny. I still refer to it as the new file format, even though it's 15 years old. Rob Collie (00:36:23): Yeah. It's the new file format it's still new, yeah. Brian Jones (00:36:25): I still call it that, which is kind of nuts. But I think that the controversies you were talking about was really more of a... Boy, this is a really big deal for the product. We had changed file formats before in the past and not necessarily gotten it right. And there were a lot of challenges around compatibility and stuff. And so there was just a lot of worry of let's make sure you all have your stuff together here, right? Like let's make sure that this doesn't in any way break, stop people from wanting to upgrade to the new version. But it went really well. The whole goal of it was let's get something that we think third parties can go and read and write, and this is going to help build an ecosystem. And a new ecosystem run Office. Office already had big ecosystem with VBA and COMM add-ons and stuff like that, right.? But we won't have this new ecosystem around our file formats as a thing. That's why we chose... There's a packaging layer, which is all zip based. So if people haven't played around with it that XLSX, you can just put a .zip at the end and double click it. And it's just a zip file. And you can see a whole bunch of stuff inside of it. Right? Rob Collie (00:37:23): Yeah. If you're listening, you haven't done that go right now, run don't walk, grab an Excel file or a Word file, whatever. Go and rename the XLSX or BPTX, go ahead and rename it so that it ends in .zip and then open it up and you'll be blown away. Thomas Larock (00:37:38): PowerPoint is my favorite when I have to find some unknown setting that I need and I can just search through the whole thing. Yep. Rob Collie (00:37:45): Or all the images. You want to get all the images out of the PowerPoint file. It's just a zip file that has a bunch of images in it. Right. Brian Jones (00:37:50): So I also did this for backpack. It's the same thing. You can crack open the backpack by renaming a zip file... Thomas Larock (00:37:58): An actual physical backpack? What are we... what are we talking about here? Brian Jones (00:38:03): Ah yeah. Rob Collie (00:38:03): This is the digital acetate that is over the top of the entire physical world that you aren't aware of. Thomas Larock (00:38:08): Digital acetate, that's it? That's it. That's where the podcast peaks. Right? Those two words. We're all going home now. Brian Jones (00:38:19): Yeah. No. A SQL server, there's DAC pack, which is just the, say database schema. Then there's a backpack which has the data and the schema combined. But you can, if you rename them . zip, you can crack them open to see the XML that makes up those forms. So it's not just office products. Rob Collie (00:38:37): We ended up standardizing the entire thing, but that packaging format, it was called OPC, Open Packaging Convention, or something like that. It was something that we did in partnership with a Windows team. It's part of the final ISO standard for our file format. And then there were a lot of other folks that went and used that exact same standard. Because it's a really easy way of you have a zip package. You can have a whole bunch of pieces inside of it, which are XML. And then there's this convention for how you can do relationships between the different pieces. So I can have a slide. That's an XML and it can declare relationships to all the images that it uses. And that way it's really quick, easy to know, okay, here's all the content I need to grab if I want to move pieces of it outside of the file. Rob Collie (00:39:16): So the single coolest thing I've ever done with, we'll just call it your file format Brian. We'll just pretend that it was only you working on that. Brian Jones (00:39:23): Just me yeah, I was pretty busy, but yeah. Rob Collie (00:39:27): So the very, very first version of Power Pivot, first of all, your file format, the new file format made Power Pivot possible. We needed to go and add this gigantic binary stream of compressed data and everything, everything about Power Pivot needed to be saved in the file. At the beginning of the project, everyone was saying, "Oh, no, we're going to save it as two separate files." And I'm like, "Are you guys kidding?" The Pivot cache, for instance, is saved in the same file. You can't throw a multi file solution at people and expect it to... This was actually like Manhattan project, just to get that stream saved into the same file. It was pretty crazy. However, when it was done, there was something really awesome I wasn't aware of until the very end, which was, first of all, you could open up a zip file and just tunnel down and you would find a file in there called item one.data. Rob Collie (00:40:21): Okay. That was the Power Pivot blob. That was everything about the Power Pivot thing. And it was by far the biggest thing in the file, like it was like 99% of the file size was what was there. However, as this backup, someone had decided, I had nothing to do with this, to save all of the instructions. I think it's called XML for analysis XMLA. All of the instructions that would be required to rebuild exactly that file, but without any of the actual binary data in it. So it was a very, very small amount of XML. Okay. So here's what we would do because there were no good automation, no interfaces, no APIs. If we needed to add like 500 formulas to a Power Pivot file, you could go through the UI and write those 500 formulas, type, click, type, click, type, click. Rob Collie (00:41:08): Okay. So what we would do, and my first job outside of Microsoft, is we would go in there and we would edit that XML backup and add all the formulas we wanted in it. And by the way, I would use Excel to write these formulas. I would use string concatenation and all of that kind of stuff to write these things. It was very, very, very sensitive, one character out of place in the whole thing fails. So you make those changes. You save the file, reopen it, nothing happens because it's just the backup. Okay. So then you've got to go and you've got to create a zero byte item one.data file on your desktop and you copy it into the zip file and overwrite the real item one.data, therefore deliberately corrupting the primary copy. So when you reopen the file it triggers the backup process and it rehydrates with all of your stuff, it was awesome. Rob Collie (00:41:57): And then a couple of releases of Power Pivot later, suddenly that didn't work anymore and I was really pissed. But it just really shows you, it opens up so many opportunities that you never would have expected. And even a hack like that, that's not the kind that you'd be really looking for, but the fact that something like that even happens as a result of this is really indicative of what a success it was. Brian Jones (00:42:19): Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of those things where, I love building platforms, like that's my favorite part of the job. It's all those things that you see people do that you never would have predicted. Right? That's just so exciting. PowerPoint had this huge group of folks that would go and build things like doc assembly stuff, right. Where they go and automatically build PowerPoint decks on demand, right? Based on who you're going to go and present to cause they've just shredded the thing. In fact, when we did the ISO standardization, it was a 6,000 page doc that we had to go. And we built and reviewed with a standards body and we did it over about a year. Which sounds nuts, a 6,000 page doc in about a year. And the way that we were able to do that is there was never really a 6,000 page doc. There's a database where there's a row for every single element and attribute in this, in the whole schema, that would then have the column which is the description, which would just be the word XML. Brian Jones (00:43:09): And so we could, on demand, at any point, generate whatever view or part of the doc we wanted. So we'd say, "Hey, we're going to go in now, review everything that has to do with formatting across Word, Excel and PowerPoint." And so we just click a couple buttons and the database would spit out a Word doc that was just that part. Everybody could go and edit it cause we were using the structured elements we'd added to Word, which is called content controls, which was the next version of that XML stuff that we had to deprecate. And then the process, as soon as you'd finish editing that Word doc, we just submit it back. The process would go back and shred that Word doc again and put it all back in the database. And so we really used the file format to bootstrap documenting the file format. Rob Collie (00:43:48): And then when you dump a 6,000 page document on someone, they have no choice. But to just say, yep, it looks good to us. Brian Jones (00:43:55): Well, there was a pretty, incredibly thorough review still. It was just pretty impressive. The final vote that we had in Geneva, the process leading up to that, the amount of feedback that we got. Cause basically the ISO, you can kind of think of it like the UN, you go and show up and every country has a seat, right? I mean, not everybody participates, but anybody that wants to can. And so yeah, we had to respond to thousands of comments around different pieces, things that people wanted to see changed. Rob Collie (00:44:22): Yeah. I can imagine, right. Think about it. You just said at the final vote in Geneva. That's a heavy moment man. Thomas Larock (00:44:29): Yeah. That threw me off for a second. I thought, for sure, you were talking Switzerland, but now thinking that was just a code name. Rob Collie (00:44:38): No, I think, I think he was actually in Switzerland. Brian Jones (00:44:40): In Switzerland. Rob Collie (00:44:41): Have you seen the chamber where they do these votes? It looks just like the Senate from episode one of Star Wars. It's just like that. It's pretty heavy. Brian Jones (00:44:51): The little levitating... Rob Collie (00:44:53): The floating lift. Yeah. I think they call that digital acetate. I think that's what they call that. By the way on the Excel team, the way I came to look at the new file format and the open architecture of it, again, this this will show you how quickly I had turned into the more cynic side of things. Well, okay. We're going to be changing file formats. And we're doing that for our benefit because we didn't have enough bits allocated in the 1980s version of the file format that was saved to floppy disc, as you pointed out, right. Who could ever imagine having more than 64,000 rows, it's just inconceivable or 250 columns or whatever, right.? Because we hadn't allocated that. We'd made an engineering mistake, essentially, we hadn't future-proofed. So we need to make a file format change for our benefit, right. To undo one of our mistakes. And the way I looked at it was, "Ooh, all this open file format stuff, that'll be like the 'Look, squirrel!'" To distract people and to sort of justify, while we went and did this other thing, which, ultimately it actually went pretty well. The transition for the customers actually wasn't nearly as bad, because we actually Took it seriously. Rob Collie (00:46:03): The transition for the customers actually wasn't nearly as bad because we actually took it seriously. We didn't cut any corners. We did all the right things. Brian Jones (00:46:07): Well, there were several benefits too. We were talking about all the kind of ecosystem development benefits, but the fact that the file was zipped and compressed right, it meant that the thing was smaller. And that was all of a sudden, it was no longer about floppy discs. People are sharing files on networks. And so actually being able to go and have a file that's easier to share, send over network because it's smaller was a thing. Brian Jones (00:46:26): There were a couple of things that we were able to go and highlight. There's also a pretty nice thing where it was actually more robust because it was XML, and we split it into multiple pieces of XML. It meant that even if you had bit rot, you would only lose one little piece of the file, whereas with old the binary format, you had some bit rot and the whole thing is impossible to open up.There are a couple of things that were in user benefits too, which helped. Rob Collie (00:46:50): And ultimately, on the Excel side, the user got a million row spreadsheet format and the ability to use a hell of a lot more than like 14 colors that could be used in a single spreadsheet or something. It was .like a power of two minus two, so many bizarre things. Like Excel had more colors than that, but you couldn't use more than a certain subset in a- Brian Jones (00:47:10): At a time, yeah. Rob Collie (00:47:10): -In a single file. So yeah, there were a lot of benefits. They just weren't- Brian Jones (00:47:15): It's not like it's an explicit choice. It's just that at the time somebody is implementing something, you're right in a way, assuming, "Oh, this is fine. This is enough. I'll never have to worry with this issue." Rob Collie (00:47:25): Why waste the whole byte on that? When you can cram four different settings into a single byte. If you read the old stories about Gates and Allen programming up at Harvard, they had these vicious head-to-head competitions to see who could write the compiler or the section of basic in the fewest bytes possible. This was still very much hanging over Microsoft, even the vestiges of it were still kind of hanging over us even when I arrived. But certainly in the '80s when the Excel file format was being designed for that rev, it was still very much like, "Why waste all those bits in a byte?" "Let's cap it at four bits". Thomas Larock (00:48:05): In that blog series from Sinofsky, he talks a lot about that at the early start. And I'm at a point now where he's talking a lot about the code reuse because the Excel team, the Word team, I guess PowerPoint, but all these other teams, were all dealing with, say, text. And they were all doing their own code for how that text would be displayed and shown. And Bill would be the one being like, " This is ridiculous". "We should be able to reuse the code between these products". And to me, that would just be common sense. But these groups, Microsoft just grew so rapidly so quickly, they were off on their own, and they have to ship. I ain't got time to wait around for this, for somebody to build an API, things like that. I'll just write it myself. Brian Jones (00:48:50): It's a general thing that you get as you get larger where the person in charge that can oversee everything is like, "Well, these are all my resources", and, "Wow, I don't want three groups all building the same thing". But then when you get down, there's also a reality of we're just going to have a very different view on text and text layout than Excel. And Excel is not going to say, "I want all of that code that Word uses to lay out all of their content to be running for every single cell". Right? That's just suboptimal. And so it's always this fun conversation back and forth around where do you have shared code and reuse and where do you say it's okay for this specific app to have this more optimized thing that might look the same, but in reality, it's not really the same. Rob Collie (00:49:33): Brian, do you remember the ... I'm sure you do, but I don't remember what company they were from. But at one point in this file format effort, these really high priced consultants showed up and went around and interviewed us a couple of times. Do you remember that phase? It was like- Brian Jones (00:49:51): Was that towards the end? There was a couple summary stories that were pulled together just to talk about the overall processes. It was actually after the standardization. Rob Collie (00:49:58): I remember this being at the point in time where it was still kind of a question. whether we should do it. Brian Jones (00:50:02): I don't remember that. Rob Collie (00:50:04): The thing I remember really vividly is a statement that Chris Pratley would make over and over again, this encapsulated it for me. I came around to seeing it his way, which was the file format isn't the thing. That's not the moat. The thing that makes Office unique is the behaviors of the application. It's not the noun of the file format. It's the verb of what happens in the app. It's instructed to think that even if you took exactly the Excel team today, every single person that's already worked on it, and said, "Hey, you have to go rebuild Excel exactly". There's no way that version of Excel would be compatible with the one we have now. It would drift so much. Rob Collie (00:50:43): You could even have access to all the same specs. We would even cheat and say, "Look, you can have access to every single spec ever written". So? It was clearly someone had thought it was time to bring in like a McKinsey. They were all well dressed. They were all attractive. They were all a little too young to be the ones sort of making these decisions. It was just really weird to have them show up, three people in your office. Like, "Okay, I'll tell you what's going on". Brian Jones (00:51:11): I can totally imagine. It's funny I don't remember that. There were several rounds of analysis on how we were doing it, what we're doing and making sure we were doing it the right way. But yeah, Chris is spot on. I mean, your point about rebuilding it, that's essentially what we've been going through for the past five plus years around our web app. It's a lot of work. Unfortunately, we can't let it drift. The expectation from everybody is, "Hey, I learned the Wind 32 version. When I go to the web, I want it to feel the same. I don't want to feel like I'm now using some different app." Rob Collie (00:51:44): What an amazing, again, like a Manhattan project type of thing, this notion of rewriting Excel to run on the web and be compatible. Brian Jones (00:51:55): Yeah, with 30 years of innovation. Rob Collie (00:51:56): Yeah. That started in the 2007 release. Excel services, the first release of Excel services was 2007. And this whole thing about shared code, like what features, what functions of Excel, what pieces of it were going to be rewritten to be quote unquote "shared code"? And shared code meant it was actually server safe, which none of regular desktop Excel written in the early '80s, still carrying around assembly in certain places, assembly code of all things, right? Excel was not server safe. It was about as far from server safe as you could get. And so to rewrite this so ambitious without breaking anything. Oh my God. What a massive ... This dates back, gosh, more than 15 years. Brian Jones (00:52:45): Yeah. I'd say like the first goals around it were a bit different, right? It wasn't a web version of Excel. It was like BI scenarios and how can we have dashboards and Excel playing a role in dashboards. But yeah, I'd say since I joined, it was probably maybe a half a year or a year into when I joined, we just made the decision to shift a huge chunk of our funding to the web app. It was just clear that we need to make even more rapid progress. If you go, we have a site where you can go and see all the features that are rolling out there. It's incredible. And it's just because of the depth of the product. "Wow that's so many features you've done. You must be almost done". But then you look at everything else that's still isn't done yet. Brian Jones (00:53:23): Now thankfully, we're getting to the point where we can look at telemetry and say, "Hey, we've got most people covered." Most users, when we look at what they do in Windows, they could use the web app and shouldn't notice a difference. But there still is a set of things that we're going to keep churning through. So that'll continue to be a huge, huge investment for us. But yeah, the shared code strategy, we have an iPhone version, an iPad version an Android version. We've got Excel across all platforms. And because of the shared code, when we add new features, the feature crew that's working on that, they need to have a plan for how they're going to roll out across all those platforms, clearly levered shared code. But they also need to think through user experience and stuff like that too. Clearly a feature on a phone is going to behave differently than it's going to behave on a desktop. Rob Collie (00:54:05): Part of me, just like, kind of wants to just say, "I don't even believe that you've pulled that off, there's no way". It's kind of like, I've never looked at the Android version, and until I look at the Android version, I'm just going to assume it's not real. This is why it's one of the hardest things imaginable to have a single code base with all these different user experience, just fundamental paradigms of difference between these platforms. Like really? Come on. Brian Jones (00:54:34): It was a massively ambitious project. Mac shifted over maybe three years ago. And that's when, all of a sudden, in addition to a bunch of just features that people have been asking for that we'd never been able to get to, the massive one there was we were able to roll out the co-authoring multiplayer mode for Excel. Rob Collie (00:54:50): Multiplayer. Brian Jones (00:54:52): That's the term I like for co-authoring. It's more fun. Rob Collie (00:54:55): Yeah. It's like MMO for spreadsheets. Brian Jones (00:54:57): Yes. We were able to get that for the Mac. I mean, all of our platforms. One of us can be on an iPad, an iPhone, the web app, and we'll all see what we're doing in real time, making edits and all of that stuff. That alone, if you want to talk about massive projects, 30 years of features and innovation, basically that means we had to go and teach Excel how to communicate to another version of Excel and be very specific about, "This is what I did." "Here's the action I took." And that is massive. There are thousands and thousands of things you can do in the product. So getting it so that all of those versions are in sync the entire time, and so we're all seeing the exact same results of calc and all of that. That itself was a huge, massive project. Rob Collie (00:55:37): Take this as the highest form of praise when I say I don't buy it. I can't believe it. Brian Jones (00:55:44): I hope everybody's okay that we just talked for like an hour on just like listening to somebody at a high school reunion, I think, or something. Is this like me talking about how great I played in that one game? And you're like, "Yeah, that was a great basket". Rob Collie (00:55:54): Yeah. "Man, my jumper was on". the thing that's hard to appreciate, I think, is that you got to come back to the fact that we're talking about the tools that everyone in the world uses every day, that we rely on. And I think being gone from Microsoft for the last 12 years, I'm able to better appreciate that sense of wonder. This isn't just you and I catching up, I don't think. People enjoy, for good reason I think, hearing the stories of how these things came to be. People don't know by default how hard it was to get to a million rows in the file format. If you're like a robot, you're like, "I don't care how I got here. I just care what it is", then you're not listening to this show. We call it data with a human element. Robots can exit stage left. I think you should feel zero guilt. This isn't just self-indulgence. Brian Jones (00:56:55): Well, on the off chance everybody else ... I've listened to a lot of Rob's other podcasts, and they're awesome. So if you're bored with this one, it's okay. Go check out some of the other ones. They'r

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Choice sheets are used to determine the classes high students will have the next year. This frequently becomes a topic of discussion amongst many students, parents, and counselors. Students must choose the level of their required classes, as well as the electives they want to take. Eventually, the choice sheet will determine their schedule.DialogueA: Em quais matérias você vai se inscrever? B: Ah, já está na época de escolher as matérias? A: Tá, o prazo é na semana que vem. B: Queria que a gente tivesse mais tempo. A: Eu não consigo me decidir entre História Geral AP* ou regular. B: Ah, eu faria a AP. Eu curti muito esta matéria. A: Como é o dever de casa? B: Pra falar a verdade, é coisa à beça. Você vai ter que se dedicar aos estudos. A: E a professora? B: A minha era maravilhosa. Tomara que você pegue ela também.A: What classes are you signing up for? B: Oh, is it time for choice sheets already? A: Yeah, they’re due next week. B: I wish we had more time! A: I can’t decide between WHAP* and regs. B: Oh, I’d do WHAP. I had a lot of fun when I took it. A: What’s the homework like? B: To be honest, pretty intense. You’ll have to be dedicated to studying. A: And the teacher? B: Mine was awesome. I hope you have her too.

Choice sheets are used to determine the classes high students will have the next year. This frequently becomes a topic of discussion amongst many students, parents, and counselors. Students must choose the level of their required classes, as well as the electives they want to take. Eventually, the choice sheet will determine their schedule.DialogueA: Em quais matérias você vai se inscrever? B: Ah, já está na época de escolher as matérias? A: Tá, o prazo é na semana que vem. B: Queria que a gente tivesse mais tempo. A: Eu não consigo me decidir entre História Geral AP* ou regular. B: Ah, eu faria a AP. Eu curti muito esta matéria. A: Como é o dever de casa? B: Pra falar a verdade, é coisa à beça. Você vai ter que se dedicar aos estudos. A: E a professora? B: A minha era maravilhosa. Tomara que você pegue ela também.A: What classes are you signing up for? B: Oh, is it time for choice sheets already? A: Yeah, they’re due next week. B: I wish we had more time! A: I can’t decide between WHAP* and regs. B: Oh, I’d do WHAP. I had a lot of fun when I took it. A: What’s the homework like? B: To be honest, pretty intense. You’ll have to be dedicated to studying. A: And the teacher? B: Mine was awesome. I hope you have her too.

On the cusp of the pandemic, Jordan - Founder of Listen Lucy, had just invested for her business to scale from speaking engagements into a speaking agency but 2020 decided otherwise and with events coming to a halt, her business collapsed. Today we talk about how we both sank on the 2020 boat and what helped us bounce back. Both with very different surroundings and support systems.

*Content note: this episode discusses anxiety and suicide prevention, discretion is advised*

We go over: • How to deal with a crisis.
 • When your livelihood is taken away from you, how to cope so you can move on to your next chapter?
 • In order to be the best parent for your kids, you sometimes need to prioritise yourself.
 • To quote Jordan: “That's the thing with mental illness. As your life changes, so does the illness, and you have to adapt.” If a coping mechanism doesn't work anymore, drop it and replace it with something else, don't stunt your process.
 • When you're feeling depressed or anxious, how do we convey how we're feeling without freaking people out or making them feel powerless?
 • When mental health issues are part of who we are, we shouldn't apologise for that.
 • We all have mental health.
 • When pulling away from your partner because you're ashamed of showing them your mental health, that can be a breach of trust.
 • Why spreading the message and exposing herself like this, is so important for Jordan.
 • The 5 warning signs your friend may not be doing well and needs you to check in [WHAP which stands for Withdrawal - Hopelessness - Agitation - Poor self care &/or Personality change].
 • The Upper limit problem.



Find Jordan: www.ListenLucy.org 
Find me: https://linktr.ee/toooldforthisshit or www.angie-s.com For mental health crisis helplines:

UK:https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/guides-to-support-and-services/crisis-services/helplines-listening-services/ 

Europe: https://www.mhe-sme.org/library/helplines/ 

USA: 

National Suicide Prevention Hotline - 1-800-273- 8255

Crisis Textline - Text HOME to 741741

Book referenced: The Big Leap*Recorded in November 2020

[Trigger warning: mention of anxiety and suicide prevention] *Recorded in November 2020* On the cusp of the pandemic, Jordan - Founder of Listen Lucy, had just invested for her business to scale from speaking engagements into a speaking agency but 2020 decided otherwise and with events coming to a halt, her business collapsed. Today we talk about how we both sank on the 2020 boat and what helped us bounce back. Both with very different surroundings and support systems. We go over: How to deal with a crisis When your livelihood is taken away from you, how to cope so you can move on to your next chapter? In order to be the best parent for your kids, you sometimes need to prioritise yourself To quote Jordan: “That’s the thing with mental illness. As your life changes, so does the illness, and you have to adapt.” If a coping mechanism doesn't work anymore, drop it and replace it with something else, don’t stunt your process.When you’re feeling depressed or anxious, how do we convey how we’re feeling without freaking people out or making them feel powerless?When mental health issues are part of who we are, we shouldn’t apologise for that.We all have mental health When pulling away from your partner because you’re ashamed of showing them your mental health, that can be a breach of trustWhy spreading the message and exposing herself like this, is so important for Jordan The 5 warning signs your friend may not be doing well and needs you to check in [WHAP which stands for Withdrawal - Hopelessness - Agitation - Poor self care &/or Personality change]The Upper limit problem For mental health crisis helplines:UK: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/guides-to-support-and-services/crisis-services/helplines-listening-services/ Europe: https://www.mhe-sme.org/library/helplines/ USA: National Suicide Prevention Hotline - 1-800-273- 8255Crisis Textline - Text HOME to 741741Book referenced: The Big LeapTo join podcasting for absolute beginners, get in touch here: https://www.angie-s.com/contact or go to https://www.learnpodcasting.online/ Come find Jordan www.ListenLucy.org & all her socials @listenlucyJordan’s books: Little Lucy and the Little Butterflies Write It OutListen, Lucy: Anonymous, beautiful and heart-wrenching stories from people like you and me Come find me at https://linktr.ee/toooldforthisshit and follow @toooldforthisshitpodcast

This 7 Minutes of AP World History will be reviewing the unit on European Imperialism and Native Indigenous Reactions.

Watch the set on YouTube: https://youtu.be/24us7PRe450 "Music means freedom!" those were the exact words of Christ Whap-a-dang - he unintentionally answers the BASF's tor4 question. The Heidelberg/Mannheim German DJ is the co-founder of the renowned world music event series "Disko Esperanto" at the Alte Feuerwache Mannheim. He is a passionate record collector and for many years has been an ardent fan of folkloric sounds from all over the world. With his DJ sets, he opens his private music archive and selects for you a round of danceable world music between tradition and modernity. From Latin American Salsa, Cumbia, Son Cubano, Merengue to Eastern European Balkan beats and brass, international Reggae and Ska, Arabic Rai, Bhangra and Bollywood sounds from India, Descarga and Afrobeat from the black continent and Klezmer to rebellious Mestizo, Spanish Rumba, Irish and Nordic Folklore, Gypsy music and ethno-infected Drum'n'Bass, everything comes to the turntable that invites you to dance unrestrainedly. Support Chris Whap-a-dang Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Chriswhapadang/ Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/ChrisWhapadang/ Support No Joke Radio Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nojokeradio/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nojokeradio/ Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojokeradio Website: https://nojokeradio.com/ E-mail us: admin@nojokeradio.com Proudly sponsored by: Tor 4 - BASF fördert Kunst Wie geht Freiheit wirklich? Damit setzen sich 14 Projekte aus den Bereichen Musik, Tanz und Literatur bis hin zur bildenden Kunst auseinander. Sie sind Teil des Kulturförderprogramms Tor 4, mit dem BASF die Kulturorte der Metropolregion Rhein-Neckar als Orte des Dialogs zwischen verschiedenen Lebenswelten stärken möchte. Auch BASF ist Partner dieses Dialogs: Das Unternehmen schreibt jährlich eine gesellschaftlich relevante Fragestellung aus, zu der Institutionen Kunstprojekte einbringen können. Weitere Informationen unter: www.basf.de/tor4

After nearly a year of waiting, Leah & I have finally recorded a full episode for the podcast! As talked about in the previous episode, we are reviewing/talking through the first episode of 2009's 'Harper Island'. Which was a Horror TV series that was broadcast on CBS. We discuss, proposing in bodies of water, onomatopoeia, creepy children, and much more! More episodes to come in the future :)

This is a podcast for reviewing the material for Unit 2 of the WHAP curriculum. It is on decentralization, centralization and maritime empires.

This podcast covers the major themes and details for the Advanced Placement World History Review. This is a 7 minute review because....hey...you have a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it!!

Welcome back to Dead and Bored extra spooky horror time edition! Today we jump on a party boat and head out to HARPER’S ISLAND and this was supposed to be a groundbreaking show where there is a bunch of murders and the cast didn’t even know who was the killer until episode 8-ish and multiple people would get killed every episode and boy howdy it was just really bad so it went from prime time to Friday night and then got killed off on sat…. We also tangent about prom, party boats, what’s your number and work retreats Thanks for listening! Special thanks to our more recent patrons and supporters on Anchor! Nesa Ashley Kandace Prove you are not a Zeeb by following us! Theresa is Dead on Youtube, Instagram, and Twitter Alex is Bored on Youtube, Instagram and Twitter Bored_pod to Follow the podcast on Twitter Dead and Bored Podcast on Patreon --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/deadandbored/support

Tron & Eric of the WHAP (We Have A Podcast) Podcast! We discuss EVERYTHING under the sun from hormones, dating, relationships, CHICKEN, and so much more! Make sure to rate & subscribe to the podcast and check out WHAP on iTunes! For HEMPCRATE for everything CBD use code HOTTERTHANHEALTH20 for 20% off! https://www.hempcrate.co/#age  

Tron & Eric of the WHAP (We Have A Podcast) Podcast! We discuss EVERYTHING under the sun from hormones, dating, relationships, CHICKEN, and so much more! Make sure to rate & subscribe to the podcast and check out WHAP on iTunes! For HEMPCRATE for everything CBD use code HOTTERTHANHEALTH20 for 20% off!  

This is a replacement for the 7.1 episode that seems to have disappeared from the feed.

Nick and Lance are joined by comedian and writer Aimée Lutkin to recap, rate and rank the fifty-eighth Garfield comic strip from August 15, 1978! Today's comic is surprisingly sexy! Today's Garfield comic: https://www.gocomics.com/garfield/1979/08/15 Send us an email with your Garfield memories to HungryCatDaily@gmail.com! Our episodes are also available as videos on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hungrycatdaily And Facebook: http://facebook.com/HungryCatDaily Follow us on Twitter at https://twitter.com/HungryCatDaily! Music: VHS Dreams by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com Artwork by Addison Billingsley

"Music means freedom!" those were the exact words of Christ Whap-a-dang - he unintentionally answer's the BASF's tor4 question. The Heidelberg/Mannheim German DJ is the co-founder of the renowned world music event series "Disko Esperanto" at the Alte Feuerwache Mannheim. He is a passionate record collector and for many years has been an ardent fan of folkloric sounds from all over the world. Support Chris Whap-a-dang Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Chriswhapadang/ Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/ChrisWhapadang/ Support No Joke Radio Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nojokeradio/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nojokeradio/ Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojokeradio Website: https://nojokeradio.com/ E-mail us: admin@nojokeradio.com 1 PICKA POW Dancing feeling 2 TOOTS HIBBERT/ ANTHONY B Pumps & pride 3 LATIN BROTHERS La guayaba 4 KUMBIA QUEERS Kumbia Punk 5 SHAZALAKAZOO Baklava lover 6 [dunkelbunt] Egal 7 GYPSY HILL Balkan beast RMX 8 FIGLI DI MADRE IGNOTA Nema problema tourist 9 ANTIBALAS Dirty money 10 N.A. ARCHIBONG/ WILLIAM NGEH NGOR Na ways 11 DJ DERO Batucada 12 CARAVAN PALACE Dragons 13 MONKEY SAFARI Bamboolica 14 WATCHA CLAN Hasnaduro 15 SHANTEL Disko partizani (Yamaha electric Remix) 16 [dunkelbunt] w BOBAN MARKOVIC ORCH Cinnemon girl in the sun 17 BUBBLEY KAVA Topknot 18 IRIE REVOLTES Travailler 19 KIRIL Jungle shadow 20 LA PHAZE Miracle 21 EL HIJO DE LA CUMBIA Huepaje 22 MANU CHAO Me gustas tu 23 RAY BARRETTO Deeper shade of soul 24 AXEL KRYGIER Echale semilla (Ruben Barcia RMX) 25 THEM MUSHROOM BAND Mombasa 26 INCREDIBLE TABLA BAND Bongo rock 27 MANU DIBANGO Afridelic 28 SERGIO MENDES & BRASIL 77 Love music 29 JALIL BENNIS ET LES GOLDEN HANDS Mirza 30 SKEEWIFF Man of constant sorrows 31 JUANECO Y SU COMBO Perdido en el espacio 32 PLUTO SHERVINGTON Dat 33 KISHORA KUMAR & CHORUS Yeh disco ka bukhar hai

FOX Sports introduces the educated, passionate, and objective voice of sports talk radio that belongs to none other than Michael Pearman aka Mike Knoxxx. The Delaware native, by way of Chicago has found his home in the DMV area. The hardcore podcaster has been making waves in internet radio since he founded the BDSIR Network 7 years ago; covering everything from Pro-Wrestling, the entire gamut of sports, as well as entertainment, Knoxxx brings barbershop-style talk to the airwaves. While Mike wears his heart on his sleeve, the devoted yet intelligent sports fan can appreciate the sometimes hot-blooded conversations between the host and The Untouchables as they delve deep into the current events in the world of America's favorite pastimes. Being a man of fairness, and a man of ethics, the show definitely doesn't shy away from lighting a flame under the biggest names in sports and entertainment in the event that they exhibit morally controversial behaviors.  Listen in from 5pm to 7pm eastern standard time and be a part of the newest and most impactful voice in sports radio today. Soon enough, you will find yourself joining in with his signature ; “How can you wake up and say to yourself, ‘I love me some me!' and don't love GOD?! That's crazy!” Listen to the Soul N Sports with Mike Knoxxx every weekday on WHAP Fox Sports Radio 1340 AM 5-7pm est.

ITS COWBOYS WEEK REDSKIN NATION! THE PLAYOFF BOUND, NFC EAST CHAMPION, REDSKINS ARE TAKING ON THE COWBOYS THIS WEEK. LETS TALK ABOUT IT.