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Senator James Lankford is pushing a bill to relax political speech restrictions for churches, despite admitting it's largely unnecessary. The Non-Prophets panel explores how clergy already flout the Johnson Amendment with impunity while secular 501(c)(3)s remain muzzled. Could repealing the rule backfire and empower atheist nonprofits? Or would it further tilt the playing field toward well-funded religious institutions?News Source:The Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta, April 14, 2025https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/sen-james-lankford-knows-the-irsThe Non-Prophets, Episode 24.17.3 featuring Jimmy Jr., Rob, Tracy Wilbert and The Ejector Seat Senator Admits IRS Rule Change for Churches Is Pointless
How many of you know about the Johnson Amendment? If you've ever donated to a church or other charity, you've been impacted by this amendment. This limitation on freedom of speech has been in effect for over 70 years. And now, the House of Representatives is trying to remedy this infringement.
This keeps many pastors silent in the pulpit. Constitutional expert, lawyer, author, pastor, and founder of Liberty Counsel Mat Staver discusses the important topics of the day with co-hosts and guests that impact life, liberty, and family. To stay informed and get involved, visit LC.org.
On this week's episode: The Trump administration starts their hunt for anti-Christian heffalumps ... A Christian pastor avoids the TSA sexuality trap by demanding a cavity search ... And Don Ford will be here to dig into the post-sassy-gay-Jesus portion of the Bible. --- To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click here: https://www.amazon.com/Outbreak-Crisis-Religion-Ruined-Pandemic/dp/B08L2HSVS8/ If you see a news story you think we might be interested in, you can send it here: ScathingNews@gmail.com To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show's hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies To check out our half-sister show, Citation Needed, click here: http://citationpod.com/ To check out our sister show's sister show, D and D minus, click here: https://danddminus.libsyn.com/ To hear more from our intrepid audio engineer Morgan Clarke, click here: https://www.morganclarkemusic.com/ Help support the show by checking out our sponsors: mintmobile.com/scathing stamps.com (code: SCATHING) betterhelp.com/scathing --- Headlines: See something, snitch something - State Department's "anti-Christian bias" witch hunt begins: https://apnews.com/article/state-department-religion-doge-rubio-trump-christian-biden-4fdb73a0cbf5651789b1aced667c2aba ‘Thousands like us' - couples to take UK government to court over humanist marriages: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/apr/11/thousands-like-us-couples-take-uk-government-to-court-over-humanist-marriages American Atheists file briefs in two SCOTUS cases about American education: https://www.atheists.org/2025/04/american-atheists-files-briefs-in-two-supreme-court-cases-to-defend-secular-public-education/ Aiming to limit damages, Catholic hospital argues a fetus isn't the same as a person: https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/04/09/aiming-to-limit-damages-catholic-hospital-argues-a-fetus-isnt-the-same-as-a-person/ James Lankford introduces a bill to gut the Johnson Amendment: https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/sen-james-lankford-knows-the-irs Christian pastor prefers frisks from male airport security agents because scanners ‘turn you gay': https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/04/11/andrew-isker-tsa-full-body-scanners/
Join Richard Harris and Michael Farris, former CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, as they discuss the Constitution's original intent and the fight to restore religious freedom in America. They'll explore the effects of the Johnson Amendment on churches. Join us in person at the Truth & Liberty Banquet, May 2nd: https://www.truthandliberty.net/award Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.truthandliberty.net/subscribe Get "Hope For The Future" here: https://info.truthandliberty.net/hope Donate here: https://www.truthandliberty.net/donate Original Air Date 03-21-25 #seanhannity #hannity #marklevin #levin #charliekirk #megynkelly #tucker #tuckercarlson #glennbeck #benshapiro #shapiro #trump #sexton #bucksexton #rushlimbaugh #limbaugh #republicans #conservative #senator #congressman #congressmen #congresswoman #capitol #president #vicepresident #POTUS #presidentoftheunitedstatesofamerica #SCOTUS #Supremecourt #DonaldTrump #PresidentDonaldTrump #DT
Welcome to CURE America with Star Parker! This Christmas special dives into the true meaning of Christ's birth while tackling the pressing issues our nation faces. We'll discuss race, poverty, and the church's role, highlighting how Christian values can steer public policy back to America's founding principles as laid out in the Declaration of Independence. Addressing the stark contradictions in our history, like slavery, but affirm the timeless ideals of equality. Our panel—Pastor Donald T. Eason and CURE executive, Pastor Nathaniel Thomas, and Jonathan Alexandre, senior counsel at Liberty Counsel Action will bring their insights on race and the crucial roles black men play in our society. Jonathan will detail recent Supreme Court wins for religious freedom. We'll scrutinize how the separation of church and state, particularly through the Johnson Amendment, has silenced the church in public debate. Hear how pastors have navigated recent societal upheavals, like the COVID-19 lockdowns, and why the Bible seems less relevant in daily life. Through personal stories of faith, fatherhood, and education, we'll underscore the vital need for strong male role models and challenge the government's overreach in education, arguing it breeds dependency and weakens community bonds. As we conclude, we'll advocate for choosing faith over fear in our response to governance, calling for a return to Christ's teachings this Christmas. Join us for this impactful episode of CURE America where we affirm our conservative values and faith.
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 In the second hour, she welcomes Alliance Defending Freedom's Mike Farris. They'll talk about Repealing the Johnson Amendment. Connect with us on Facebook at facebook.com/pointofviewradio and on Twitter @PointofViewRTS with your opinions or comments. Looking for just the Highlights? Follow us on Spotify at Point of View Highlights and get weekly highlights […]
Despite the New Testament's recording of its main character making a clear distinction between what man owes his government (taxes) and his lord (devotion), in real life it's never quite worked out that way. Churches have been tax-exempt since time immemorial. Today, the very idea of asking houses of worship to pay their fair share is a non-starter. Much like asking this country to elect a woman president.At a time when the IRS is stretched thin and overwhelmed by its own complexity, religious organizations are leveraging loopholes to take advantage of the tax code and pastors are increasingly, and egregiously, flouting electioneering from the pulpit (an activity restricted by the Johnson Amendment). Further, the incoming administration has already made clear its intent to declare nonprofits that oppose its policies terrorist organizations, thereby stripping them of their nonprofit status and thus their ability to collect tax-deductible donations, their very lifeblood.Lloyd Hitoshi Mayer, professor of nonprofit law at Notre Dame University, is our Virgil, guiding us with wisdom and humor through this holy hellscape of taxes and religion.Support the showThanks for listening! Now follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and Threads. And please consider becoming a Patreon supporter at www.patreon.com/podcastunreasonable. It's a small price to pay to help keep America from becoming a theocracy, dontchya think?
Join America's Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio co-hosts Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy with Troy Miller, President & CEO of National Religious Broadcasters (NRB). This was a special 2024 election program titled "America at a Crossroads." The timely conversation with Troy Miller on America's Roundtable focuses on the significance for Christians to vote in US elections in preserving freedom of speech and religious freedom. The conversation brings to the forefront the court case against the "Johnson Amendment", and the crucial role of the faith community in engaging in key public policy issues impacting families and their local communities. A recent study released by Arizona Christian University, led by Dr. George Barna, indicates that 32 million regular Christian church attenders are unlikely to vote this election. While this major voting block upholds Judeo-Christian values and principles, the study reveals apathy among Christian voters could be a "gamechanger" this election, according to Barna. Mr. Miller also shares about his recent visit to Israel and the tragedy of the Iran-backed Hamas terrorist group murdering 1200 individuals and taking 250 hostages on October 7, 2023. Miller speaks about the importance of the faith community in combating anti-Semitism and presents moral clarity in standing with Israel and the Jewish community in the West. Miller is a senior executive with more than 30 years of management and business experience. He has served as the interim CEO of NRB since March 2019, assuming leadership during a time of financial crisis. Under Miller's leadership, the association has recaptured a strong financial position, grown its membership and significantly enhanced programming, networking, equipping, sponsorship, and exhibition aspects of the annual NRB International Christian Media Convention. Miller is also currently President & CEO of NRBTV where he has served since June 2005. He served with distinction in the US Navy from 1983-1988, including time assigned to the Naval Engineering Command at Ingalls Shipyard in Pascagoula, MS. Miller was part of the commissioning crew of USS Bunker Hill. He worked for personal computer Gateway, Inc. for ten years and was involved in leading several business startups, including Gateway's expansion into Europe and Asia, new manufacturing facilities, and global information technology application strategy. He served as the executive vice president and chief operating officer for D. James Kennedy Ministries. Miller has spoken at seminars on strategic business planning, information technology integration, organizational development, and Christian apologetics, as well as training pastors in the Far East. americasrt.com (https://americasrt.com/) https://ileaderssummit.org/ | https://jerusalemleaderssummit.com/ America's Roundtable on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/americas-roundtable/id1518878472 Twitter: @NRBCEO @ileaderssummit @NatashaSrdoc @JoelAnandUSA @supertalk America's Roundtable is co-hosted by Natasha Srdoc and Joel Anand Samy, co-founders of International Leaders Summit and the Jerusalem Leaders Summit. America's Roundtable (https://americasrt.com/) radio program - a strategic initiative of International Leaders Summit, focuses on America's economy, healthcare reform, rule of law, security and trade, and its strategic partnership with rule of law nations around the world. The radio program features high-ranking US administration officials, cabinet members, members of Congress, state government officials, distinguished diplomats, business and media leaders and influential thinkers from around the world. Tune into America's Roundtable Radio program from Washington, DC via live streaming on Saturday mornings via 65 radio stations at 7:30 A.M. (ET) on Lanser Broadcasting Corporation covering the Michigan and the Midwest market, and at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk Mississippi — SuperTalk.FM reaching listeners in every county within the State of Mississippi, and neighboring states in the South including Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee. Listen to America's Roundtable on digital platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon, Google and other key online platforms. Listen live, Saturdays at 7:30 A.M. (CT) on SuperTalk | https://www.supertalk.fm
Episode 143: Logan and Ryan discuss the Johnson Amendment, the importance and challenges pastors face in communicating political issues, the protection of First Amendment rights, and do their best to answer the question: "Can pastors endorse a political candidate?"
A striking new study shows that regular churchgoers are expected to sit out the 2024 presidential election. This waning enthusiasm among traditionally reliable religious voters could pose a significant challenge for the presidential candidates. The situation has prompted church leaders to grapple with a delicate balance: how to inspire their congregations to vote while navigating the legal constraints of the Johnson Amendment, which prohibits religious organizations from explicitly endorsing political candidates. Bekah Congdon from Reason joins the show.
The Johnson Amendment forbids faith leaders from campaigning for or against any specific candidates from the pulpit. How well is that rule being followed and is it ever enforced? Reid Forgrave of the Star Tribune was part of a team that dug into it and he joins Chad with the story.
No political party will ever fully reflect the mission of the church and heart of our Heavenly Father.How do I, as a follower of Jesus, engage in politics?What's the point? Vs What's wrong with people, why are they not engaging?Apathy and Idolatry Biblical issues have become political issues. Original Purpose of Government:Provide national defense and navigate foreign relations.Coordinate national diplomacy and commercial policy.Prevent infringements of individual rights.Biblical issues have become political issues.1802-Letter written to President Thomas JeffersonBelieving with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.1954-Johnson AmendmentSubmitted by Lyndon B. JohnsonSalt/LightResearch Tools:Freespoke-Web Browser and app. Montanafreepress.orgIvoterguide.comWhich decision more accurately aligns with God's Word and His redemptive heart?Do you tend to be too passive about or too engaged in politics? Why?How is God calling you to be His ambassador in this election season?
(2:00) Hurricane Milton AftermathRapid collapse — an answer to prayer?Lt Dan rode it out, but there were harrowing rescuesLithium battery firesA history lesson on hurricanes for man-made-climate crowd(23:01) "Remdesivir Papers" — RUN DEATH IS NEAR"Conspiracy theorists" knew — now we have the receipts for the deception and deathMass murderer & serial killer, Fauci, and others (especially the DOD) inflicted on unsuspecting people. Over 900 in the military alonePfizer knew about mRNA and heart conditions — and HID the data. That's fraud. Not protected(1:05:31) Absurd Woodward Story About Trump Sending PCR Kits to Putin If the anonymous, highly doubtful story were true here's a video that imagines what it'd look like (1:13:56) Lala — Drunk with Power and Manifestly EvilWATCH — You won't believe the power tripping monologue "With the Swipe of My Pen"Like Lala Trump also believes he should be able to shut down any press with which he disagrees. After a YUGE win when CBS 60 Minutes and Lala beclowned themselves, he says CBS should "lose their license" — now at least 3 times he's said that about the pressTrump goes to swing state, Michigan, and trashes Detroit — in DetroitEvangelicals call for "spiritual warfare" to elect Trump — an exercise in idolatry, hypocrisy, and absurdity.(1:48:30) Politics and the Christian — What is Our Role?The "Johnson Amendment" is a phony headfake from the IRS to threaten churches32 Million Christians will sit out this election — should they be blamed or blessed?CS Lewis on why the devil always sends evil as two "choices"Why it's not enough to hate the state (and not enough to vote for president)(2:10:15) INTERVIEW Volunteerism in West North Carolina Mountains Leigh Brown (GiveSendGo @weloveWNC) joins with an update on the people in Western NC after the devastation of hurricane HeleneHow it began, what it's like nowProperty ownership issues, insurance claimsWhat you need to think about in terms of preppingA network of volunteers vs the centralized bureaucracy that desires to control, not help(2:52:48) Listener questions about where the show's articles may be found (2:56:21) PayPal gets even more evilIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.
(2:00) Hurricane Milton AftermathRapid collapse — an answer to prayer?Lt Dan rode it out, but there were harrowing rescuesLithium battery firesA history lesson on hurricanes for man-made-climate crowd(23:01) "Remdesivir Papers" — RUN DEATH IS NEAR"Conspiracy theorists" knew — now we have the receipts for the deception and deathMass murderer & serial killer, Fauci, and others (especially the DOD) inflicted on unsuspecting people. Over 900 in the military alonePfizer knew about mRNA and heart conditions — and HID the data. That's fraud. Not protected(1:05:31) Absurd Woodward Story About Trump Sending PCR Kits to Putin If the anonymous, highly doubtful story were true here's a video that imagines what it'd look like (1:13:56) Lala — Drunk with Power and Manifestly EvilWATCH — You won't believe the power tripping monologue "With the Swipe of My Pen"Like Lala Trump also believes he should be able to shut down any press with which he disagrees. After a YUGE win when CBS 60 Minutes and Lala beclowned themselves, he says CBS should "lose their license" — now at least 3 times he's said that about the pressTrump goes to swing state, Michigan, and trashes Detroit — in DetroitEvangelicals call for "spiritual warfare" to elect Trump — an exercise in idolatry, hypocrisy, and absurdity.(1:48:30) Politics and the Christian — What is Our Role?The "Johnson Amendment" is a phony headfake from the IRS to threaten churches32 Million Christians will sit out this election — should they be blamed or blessed?CS Lewis on why the devil always sends evil as two "choices"Why it's not enough to hate the state (and not enough to vote for president)(2:10:15) INTERVIEW Volunteerism in West North Carolina MountainsLeigh Brown (GiveSendGo @weloveWNC) joins with an update on the people in Western NC after the devastation of hurricane HeleneHow it began, what it's like nowProperty ownership issues, insurance claimsWhat you need to think about in terms of preppingA network of volunteers vs the centralized bureaucracy that desires to control, not help(2:52:48) Listener questions about where the show's articles may be found (2:56:21) PayPal gets even more evilIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-real-david-knight-show--5282736/support.
LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE: youtube.com/indiethinkerGary Hamrick joins a group of Christians fighting to overturn the Johnson Amendment and it's demoralizing impact.
Dr Adam Koontz and Rev Jonathan Fisk talk about Lyndon Baines Johnson, how the Johnson Amendment currently isn't and possibly could be enforced, and why some pastors are silent on political issues. Visit our website - A Brief History of Power Many thanks to our sponsors, Blessed Sacrament Lutheran Church in Hayden, ID, and Luther Classical College Dr Koontz - Redeemer Lutheran Church Rev Fisk - St Paul Rockford Music thanks to Verny
(RNS) — A group of evangelical broadcasters is suing the Internal Revenue Service over the Johnson Amendment, a tax law that bars nonprofits from supporting political candidates. National Religious Broadcasters convention attendees await Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump, at the Gaylord Opryland Resort and Convention Center Thursday, Feb. 22, 2024, in Nashville, Tenn. (RNS photo/Bob Smietana) Lawyers for the National Religious Broadcasters, along with two Baptist churches and a conservative group called Intercessors for America, argue in their suit that the ban on engaging in politics restricts their freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They further argue that the IRS ignores the politicking of some charities, while threatening to punish others. In particular, lawyers for the groups claim that newspapers and other news outlets that have become nonprofits in recent years, such as the Philadelphia Inquirer, endorse candidates. Why can't churches or other Christian groups, they want to know, do the same? “Plaintiffs believe that nonprofit newspapers have a clear constitutional right to make such endorsements or statements,” read the complaint filed Wednesday (Aug. 28) in the United States District Court of the Eastern District of Texas, Tyler Division. “Plaintiffs simply contend that they should also have the same freedom of speech.” The lawsuit is the latest challenge to the Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has long been the bane of conservative groups and, in particular, preachers seeking to become more involved in politics. The ban on taking sides in campaigns — including endorsements or campaign contributions — applies to nonprofits that fall under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code. For years Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal group, organized “pulpit freedom” Sundays designed to have preachers violate IRS rules by endorsing candidates from the pulpit. As president, Donald Trump signed an executive order designed to give more leeway under IRS rules. The current lawsuit pitches its argument toward similar religious freedom principles. “For too long, churches have been instructed to remain silent on pressing matters of conscience and conviction during election season or risk their 501(c)(3) status,” said NRB President Troy A. Miller in a statement announcing the lawsuit. But the growing number of nonprofit newsrooms has added a new twist to the arguments over the Johnson Amendment that has to do with fairness. Those newsrooms, the complaint argues, should be required to abide by the same rules as other charities. Access to MinistryWatch content is free. However, we hope you will support our work with your prayers and financial gifts. To make a donation, click here. “Hundreds of newspapers are organized under § 501(c)(3), and yet many openly endorse political candidates,” lawyers for NRB and its co-plaintiff argued in their complaint. “Others make statements about political candidates that constitute forbidden statements under the IRS' interpretation of the statutory prohibition against supporting or opposing candidates.” The Institute for Nonprofit News, with about 450 member organizations, including RNS, does not accept members that endorse candidates. “Nonprofit news organizations do not endorse candidates and, under IRS guidelines, should not favor any candidate for public office in coverage or other action,” the INN's guidelines for members state. Karen Rundlet, the CEO and executive director of the INN, told RNS in an email that grants made to nonprofits often bar those funds from being used for political activity. The complaint points specifically to the Inquirer's candidate endorsements, as well as articles critical of candidates in other nonprofit publications from 2012 to the present, claiming all violated IRS rules with impunity. While nonprofit newspapers such as the Salt Lake Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times no longer ma...
Mike Farris, founder and former President of the Home School Legal Defense Association, and he also started Patrick Henry College. He is also lead attorney challenging the Johnson Amendment. Johnson Amendment Federal Lawsuit filed
In this RECAPS episode, Tim and April discuss various topics, including parenting, gun control, and a lawsuit challenging the Johnson Amendment. They express frustration with the lack of action on gun control and the hypocrisy of some evangelical Christians who advocate for pro-life policies but resist common-sense gun regulations. They also highlight the lawsuit filed by the National Religious Broadcasters and two Baptist churches against the IRS, seeking the ability to endorse political candidates without risking their tax-exempt status. The hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining the separation of church and state and the need for responsible gun ownership. In this part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss two separate topics. First, they talk about James and Bridget Morris, who are starting a new church after James resigned from Gateway Church. They discuss the allegations against James' father, Robert Morris, and the questionable actions of the church. They find her website and discuss the extravagant offerings she provides. Finally, they briefly mention a video they found called the 'Bible Band' and JD Vance's comments on childcare. In this final part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss the fear-mongering and persecution complex within certain segments of Christianity. Chapters 23:05 Lawsuit Challenges Johnson Amendment 26:26 Maintaining the Separation of Church and State 31:14 The Need for Responsible Gun Ownership 33:13 Questionable Actions and New Beginnings: The Morris Family and Gateway Church 40:10 Exploiting Faith: The Exorbitant Price of Nicole Crank's Mastermind Course 57:15 Lack of Understanding: JD Vance's Comments on Childcare 01:07:33 Discussion on Fear-Mongering and Persecution Complex 01:10:54 Personal Experiences and Leaving Christian Nationalism 01:12:35 Analysis of Eric Metaxas' Misinterpretation of Bonhoeffer _______________________________ Come to the LIVE EVENT in Austin, TX | Democracy at Risk REGISTER TO VOTE If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Get Tickets to Beer Camp (PROMO: TNEHOBBIT) Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you've been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We've built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On today's program, Morningstar Ministries is undergoing a leadership shakeup…after its CEO resigned, allegations of sexual misconduct began to arise. We'll have details. And, many Christian colleges have fallen on hard times. But a Christian university in Georgia has been trying out new ways to grow enrollment…and it appears to be working. We'll take a look. Plus, Trinity International University is on the look out for a new president….just six months after its current president took the reins. But first, the National Religious Broadcasters is suing the IRS over the Johnson Amendment. The producer for today's program is Jeff McIntosh. We get database and other technical support from Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today's program include Bob Smietana, Kim Roberts, Chris Moon, Tony Mator, and Brittany Smith. A special thanks to the Christian Standard for contributing material for this week's podcast. Until next time, may God bless you. MANUSCRIPT FIRST SEGMENT Warren: Hello everybody. I'm Warren Smith, coming to you from Charlotte, North Carolina. Natasha: And I'm Natasha Cowden, coming to you from Denver, Colorado. And we'd like to welcome you to the MinistryWatch podcast. Warren: On today's program, Morningstar Ministries is undergoing a leadership shakeup…after its CEO resigned, allegations of sexual misconduct began to arise. We'll have details. And, many Christian colleges have fallen on hard times. But a Christian university in Georgia has been trying out new ways to grow enrollment…and it appears to be working. We'll take a look. Plus, Trinity International University is on the look out for a new president….just six months after its current president took the reins. Natasha: But first, the National Religious Broadcasters is suing the I-R-S over the Johnson Amendment.. Warren: A group of evangelical broadcasters is suing the Internal Revenue Service over the Johnson Amendment, a tax law that bars nonprofits from supporting political candidates. Lawyers for the National Religious Broadcasters, along with two Baptist churches and a conservative group called Intercessors for America, argue in their suit that the ban on engaging in politics restricts their freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They further argue that the IRS ignores the politicking of some charities, while threatening to punish others. Natasha: Do they have examples to support their claim? Warren: Lawyers for the groups claim that newspapers and other news outlets that have become nonprofits in recent years, such as the Philadelphia Inquirer, endorse candidates. Why can't churches or other Christian groups, they want to know, do the same? Natasha: The lawsuit is the latest challenge to the Johnson Amendment, a 1954 law that has long been the bane of conservative groups and, in particular, preachers seeking to become more involved in politics. The ban on taking sides in campaigns — including endorsements or campaign contributions — applies to nonprofits that fall under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code. Warren: The current lawsuit pitches its argument toward religious freedom principles. But the growing number of nonprofit newsrooms has added a new twist to the arguments over the Johnson Amendment that has to do with fairness. Those newsrooms, the complaint argues, should be required to abide by the same rules as other charities. The complaint points specifically to the Inquirer's candidate endorsements, as well as articles critical of candidates in other nonprofit publications from 2012 to the present, claiming all violated IRS rules with impunity. A spokesman for the IRS declined to comment, citing the pending litigation. The NRB did not respond to a series of questions from RNS about the lawsuit. Natasha: Next, the president of MorningStar Ministries, a prominent charismatic ministry just outside of Ch...
Zooming Out to Bigger Views of the Issues surrounding this Election A Special Edition of the Family Life Noon Report Labor Day - 9/02/2024 The proverbial "start" of the election season traditionally kicks in Labor Day Weekend. As American culture slides past the holiday and into the school year, voters are within a couple of months of Election Day. While much of the public has been plugged in to this year's unique campaign, others are just now ready to begin to explore who and what will be on the ballot. In this half-hour special from Family Life News, we zoom out beyond the daily and weekly twists and turns of the candidates and their campaign. Today, we delve into some of the bigger issues about the election: Pennsylvania's role as one of this year's most prominent "swing states" to select the president and majorities in Congress One political scientist's take on the detriments and benefits of the Electoral College system A call for Christian voters to step up better, to cast early ballots or show up at the polls November 5 (Other interest groups have better turnout percentages) While individuals have full freedom to participate in politics, churches actually do not need to "separate" church and state The history of congregational involvement in politics, and cautions about specific partisanship If election results this fall have an obvious lean, will there be a mandate? If key races are close (or fought in court), will the people trust the results? Bob Price and Greg Gillispie have extended interviews with these expert guests: Dr. Mark Caleb Smith teaches political science at Cedarville University, and is dean of the college at that Christian school. Jason McGuire is executive director of the New York Families Foundation, heads up New York Family Action, and is a commentator on "Capital Connecton". Kim Roberts researched IRS regulations on charitable organizations and talked with leaders in how faith groups and politics intertwine. Her articles are posted on MinistryWatch.com. Also, "Breakpoint" commentator John Stonestreet talks about the role of Christ's followers in shaping elections and public debate. He is president of the Colson Center for Christian Worldview. Click/tap each photograph for additional interviews with these guests, plus their biographies, or scroll through additional podcasts at www.FamilyLife.org/newspodcasts. All Family Life News podcasts are available for listening, subscribing, downloading and sharing. Go to FamilyLife.org or use the Family Life Now app. Smith McGuire Roberts Stonestreet An update: In the conversation about IRS regulations about churches which receive charitable contribution status, our guest mentioned the Johnson Amendment (starting at :19:37 in this recording). Now, the National Religious Broadcasters organization is leading other plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit against the IRS, contending those 1950's-era regulations seek to place unconstitutional restrictions on free speech and freedom of religion. This new article from MinistryWatch.com explores the issues surrounding this complaint from the faith-based groups.
This episode was released on August 22, 2024.In this exclusive interview from 2016, Donald Trump sits down with Stephen Strang to discuss key issues important to evangelical and Catholic voters. Trump reassures listeners about his commitment to protecting religious liberty, repealing the Johnson Amendment, and supporting Israel. He also shares personal insights about the role of faith and family in his life. This candid conversation provides valuable context on Trump's perspective as he seeks the presidency. Whether you're an ardent supporter or still deciding, this interview offers a unique window into Trump's beliefs and priorities. God and Donald Trump https://a.co/d/5MGGTLk Trump Aftershock https://a.co/d/3ZEePXd God Trump and the 2020 Election https://a.co/d/bbF7Mt6
This episode was released on August 22, 2024.In this exclusive interview, then-candidate Donald Trump sits down with Christian media leader Stephen Strang to discuss key issues important to evangelical and Catholic voters. Trump reassures listeners about his unwavering commitment to protecting religious liberty, a top priority for many faith-based voters. He also vows to take immediate action to repeal the Johnson Amendment if elected, a move that would restore the ability of churches and ministries to freely engage in the political process. The conversation delves into Trump's strong support for Israel, including his plan to take a drastically different approach from the Obama administration. Viewers will gain insight into the candidate's personal faith journey and the role of Judeo-Christian values in shaping his worldview and policy positions. Whether you're an ardent Trump supporter or still deciding, this rare, in-depth interview provides valuable context on the former president's beliefs and priorities as he sought the nation's highest office. Don't miss this unique window into the spiritual convictions of one of the most consequential political figures of our time. God and Donald Trump https://a.co/d/5MGGTLk Trump Aftershock https://a.co/d/3ZEePXd God Trump and the 2020 Election https://a.co/d/bbF7Mt6
Send us a Text Message.Can pastors remain silent in the political arena without compromising their moral duty? Join us for a riveting conversation with Hannah Miller from The Hannah Miller Show Podcast as she confronts her father, Dr. Robert Jackson, on the historical and contemporary dynamics of pastors and politics. We unpack the historical roots of pietistic thinking that have led many pastors to "stay in their lane," and how this has paved the way for secular dominance in society. Dr. Jackson passionately argues that Christians should actively be the "salt and light" in various fields, including politics, medicine, law, and the arts, to uphold moral integrity. Hannah and Dr. Jackson delve into the critical role of pastors as shepherds guiding their congregations to engage responsibly and proactively in cultural issues.We also explore the controversial Johnson Amendment and its implications on pastors' free speech, scrutinizing how religious leaders can navigate political discourse without legal repercussions. Drawing on scriptural examples like John the Baptist, we discuss the universal application of God's standards and the necessity for Christians to call for repentance and uphold biblical values in any governmental framework. To wrap up, we get personal with insights from the Jackson Family Ministry, highlighting their faith-driven mission and community engagement efforts. This episode promises to inspire proactive Christian involvement in societal matters while offering a heartfelt glimpse into the values that drive the Jackson family.https://www.jacksonfamilyministry.comhttps://bobslone.com/home/podcast-production/
For the 100th episode of Respecting Religion, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman answer listener questions, ranging from the law surrounding the tax-exempt status of religious institutions to their favorite Supreme Court justices. They also look at some of the big Supreme Court decisions and the shifts on the Court since this podcast began four years ago, sharing some of their favorite and most impactful episodes. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:38): How did we get to 100 episodes? The podcast series on the dangers of Christian nationalism ran in 2019, and it's available on the BJC Podcast feed, and you can see all of the episodes on this page of the Christians Against Christian Nationalism website. Holly and Amanda mentioned some of their favorite episodes, including: S3, Ep. 21: The live show reacting to the Kennedy v. Bremerton decision S4, Ep. 22: Amanda's experience at the ReAwaken America tour S1, Ep. 15: Reacting to President Trump's photo-op with a Bible in 2020 You can see a list of every single episode at BJConline.org/RespectingReligion Segment 2 (starting at 19:06): Questions on tax-exempt status, tough conversations, and more Holly mentioned the 1983 case of Bob Jones University v. United States. You can read the decision here. For more about the Respect for Marriage Act, check out episode 7 from season 4: Does the Respect for Marriage Act protect religious liberty? For more on the Johnson Amendment and the way it protects churches and other groups who are eligible for the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, visit this page on our website. Amanda and Holly also discussed it a bit on episode 4 of season 2: Grading the Trump administration on religious freedom. Holly mentioned episode 6 from season 3: Challenging misinformation: How to have productive conversations with friends and family. Segment 3 (starting at 34:07): Questions on podcast recommendations, favorite Supreme Court justices, and more The podcasts mentioned by Amanda and Holly were: Strict Scrutiny Prosecuting Donald Trump The Ezra Klein Show Another Mother Runner Amicus Ten Percent Happier Amanda and Holly discussed being interns at BJC. The internship program is ongoing – learn more about the opportunities by visiting BJConline.org/internships Respecting Religion is made possible by BJC's generous donors. You can support these conversations with a gift to BJC.
Join Rebecca, Alison and Liz for a journey through the history and principles behind the U.S. exempting churches from taxation! We discuss the practice of tax exemption for charitable organizations, including churches, the major cases about the constitutionality of these ideas, and abuses of the Johnson Amendment. Background History of churches and taxes 2024 State of the Secular States report FFRF FAQ on churches and tax exemption Churchtrac - The State of Church Giving: Trends and Statistics (2024) IRS requirements for church audits Other podcasts that talk about church taxation Tax Chat Evangelicalish Cases Trinidad v. Sagrada Orden (1924) Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York (1970) FFRF's IRS Cases FFRF v. Geithner (2014) FFRF v. Daniel Werfel (2014) Gaylor v. Mnuchin (2016) Nonbelief Relief v. Kautter (2019) Texas Monthly v. Bullock (1989) McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) Check us out on Instagram, Facebook, and X. Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.
[Original airdate 1/27/23] Pastor Paul Blair, Senior Pastor of Fairview Baptist Church in Edmond, Oklahoma, author, and founder of Liberty Pastors. He speaks nationwide about God in Government, apologetics, prophecy, and Biblical Worldview issues. Paul serves on the Board of Directors for Bott Radio, and the Oklahoma Apologetics Alliance. Paul Blair was drafted by the Chicago Bears in 1986 playing under Coach Mike Ditka and alongside Hall of Famers Walter Payton, Dan Hampton, and Mike Singletary. At the age of 37, Paul Blair was called into full-time ministry. His passion is for the salvation of souls and also the restoration of Godly morality and decency in America. In 2008, Pastor Blair was one of the original 33 pastors that worked with the Alliance Defense Fund on Pulpit Freedom Sunday challenging the constitutionality of the 1954 Johnson Amendment. The number of pastors participating has increased every year since with over 1600 participating in 2012. Following the 2012 Pulpit Freedom Sunday, the IRS admitted that churches are tax exempt and do not require approval or a letter of exemption from the IRS. FREE: Click here to get Paul Blair's book (pdf), Not Blind Faith: Verifiable Evidence God exists and Jesus Rose from the Dead Fairview Baptist Church, Edmond OK Facebook Page MORE Your Favorite Guests on Stand Up for the Truth! (List & Links) The Johnson Amendment and the Agenda to Silence Christians ‘Somebody Needs to Answer For It': Bill Maher Slams Public School Chaos as ‘Outrageous' 200 Resources You Can Trust!– Be Equipped and ‘Connect the Dots' Australia: Death by Heart Attack Surges by 17% in 2022 – What Changed? CDC Knowingly Left Serious Adverse Events Off Post-Vaccination Surveys, Documents Show Newsbytes Christian baker loses latest legal battle in transgender cake case SUPPORT STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH PODCAST WITH BRAND NEW GEAR!
What’s Trending: It's Election Day! There are a high number of eligible voters who have not cast their ballot yet, these voting results will dictate how your city and county operate. A Puyallup pastor at Motion Church is under fire for allegedly violating the Johnson Amendment, Lacey PD is looking to ID a carjacking suspect through just a blurry photo // Kshama Sawant is calling for an end to the violence and US military support to Israel, she believes the Israelis are an occupation force and have done land grabs of Palestinian territory , 69-year old Paul Kessler died as a result of an altercation at a rally between Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestine. // Guest: Sen. John Braun (R-Centralia) on efforts to improve (and establish) Holocaust education in Washington state
A listener's email about political and pastoral language prompts a conversation on the woke Left, the Johnson Amendment, the church's spiral of silence, magisterial and ministerial reason, and a slew of other stuff, including choosing to never knowingly support lies. Resources from this episode: Wokeness is the Antithesis to Christianity (Cross Defense episode)| kfuo.org/2022/08/27/cross-defense-082722-wokeness-is-the-antithesis-to-christianity Christianity and Wokeness (book) | bookshop.org/a/94255/9781684512430 How Christian Women Got Played by Progressivism (Ally Beth Stuckey video) | youtu.be/QyF7h6hdax8 What is DIEversity, Pt. 1 (Luther Classical College video) | youtu.be/koG1fMMcnSY What is DIEversity, Pt. 2 (Luther Classical College video | youtu.be/tpXFPJpsmzg What is DIEversity, Pt. 3 (Luther Classical College video | youtu.be/BmCI1OPTsHc The History of the Johnson Amendment (full ADF video) | youtu.be/3sWK1z6mXcQ Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents (book) | bookshop.org/a/94255/9780593541807 Worldview Comparison Infographic (St. Mark's web page) | stmarksferndale.com/2022/09/21/worldviewcomparison C.F.W. Walther on Communism and Socialism (St. Mark's web page) | stmarksferndale.com/waltheroncommunism Karl Marx and the Satanic Roots of Communism (book) | bookshop.org/a/94255/9780882641423 Jesus. Not Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity (Pr. Bramwell's 2023 Easter Sunrise Sermon, full video) youtu.be/KZymMoWaz-8 Host Rev. Tyrel Bramwell, St. Mark Lutheran Church in Ferndale, California, and author of the book Come in, We are Closed, talks about curious topics to excite the imagination, equip the mind, and comfort the soul with God's ordering of the world in the Law and Gospel. Send him your questions at stmarksferndale.com. You can find his videos at youtube.com/c/tyrelbramwell.
This episode deals with the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. I also discuss the concept of, "the separation of church and state." We tackle The Johnson Amendment and the cowardly Pastors who hide behind it.Visit the GWCC Page: https://www.gwcclancaster.org/Visit our Merchandise Page: https://tableflippers.creator-spring.com/Write me at: gwccrobert@gmail.comhttps://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendmenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Amendmenthttps://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1744/johnson-amendment
TODAY'S GUEST: Pastor Paul Blair, Senior Pastor of Fairview Baptist Church in Edmond, Oklahoma, author, and founder of Liberty Pastors. He speaks nationwide about God in Government, apologetics, prophecy, and Biblical Worldview issues. Paul serves on the Board of Directors for Bott Radio, and the Oklahoma Apologetics Alliance. Paul Blair was drafted by the Chicago Bears in 1986 playing under Coach Mike Ditka and alongside Hall of Famers Walter Payton, Dan Hampton, and Mike Singletary. At the age of 37, Paul Blair was called into full-time ministry. His passion is for the salvation of souls and also the restoration of Godly morality and decency in America. In 2008, Pastor Blair was one of the original 33 pastors that worked with the Alliance Defense Fund on Pulpit Freedom Sunday challenging the constitutionality of the 1954 Johnson Amendment. The number of pastors participating has increased every year since with over 1600 participating in 2012. Following the 2012 Pulpit Freedom Sunday, the IRS admitted that churches are tax exempt and do not require approval or a letter of exemption from the IRS. FREE: Click here to get Paul Blair's book (pdf), Not Blind Faith: Verifiable Evidence God exists and Jesus Rose from the Dead Fairview Baptist Church, Edmond OK Facebook Page MORE Your Favorite Guests on Stand Up for the Truth! (List & Links) The Johnson Amendment and the Agenda to Silence Christians ‘Somebody Needs to Answer For It': Bill Maher Slams Public School Chaos as ‘Outrageous' 200 Resources You Can Trust!– Be Equipped and ‘Connect the Dots' Australia: Death by Heart Attack Surges by 17% in 2022 – What Changed? CDC Knowingly Left Serious Adverse Events Off Post-Vaccination Surveys, Documents Show Newsbytes Christian baker loses latest legal battle in transgender cake case SUPPORT STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH PODCAST WITH BRAND NEW GEAR!
On February 2, we'll see the 71st installment of an event that always raises eyebrows and makes news. The National Prayer Breakfast has been around since 1953, but what is it? Does it promote religious freedom, or is it yet another example of Christian nationalism? Amanda and Holly explore the legitimate questions it raises about faith in public life and the relationship between the institutions of government and religion. They also share their thoughts on what we should do about the National Prayer Breakfast and the key differences between it and the National Day of Prayer. SHOW NOTES Segment 1 (starting at 00:47): Exploring the National Prayer Breakfast from various angles You can email Amanda and Holly at RespectingReligion@BJConline.org Respecting Religion is made possible by BJC's generous donors. You can support these conversations with a gift to BJC. Use that link so we know your gift supports the podcast! Listen to Amanda and Holly's conversation on the National Prayer Breakfast during the very first episode of Respecting Religion in February 2020 at this link. Their discussion of the event begins at 28:44 into the episode. Amanda and Holly mentioned this op-ed in The Washington Post by Albert Brooks, who was the keynote speaker at the 2020 National Prayer Breakfast: Trump and I disagreed at the National Prayer Breakfast. But we listened to each other Throughout its history, the National Prayer Breakfast has been hosted by The Fellowship Foundation, also known as “The Family.” You can visit their website at this link. As mentioned, this year a newly-created nonprofit will be the official host of the National Prayer Breakfast. “The Family” will host a large event at the same time that includes a livestream. Read more in this Religion News Service article by Adelle Banks and Jack Jenkins: National Prayer Breakfast breaks from ‘The Family' with new organization Amanda and Holly mentioned this 2022 article by Jack Jenkins for Religion News Service: Sen. Chris Coons: This year's National Prayer Breakfast is a ‘reset' Segment 2 (starting at 25:21): History, controversies, and the proper relationship between religion and government Amanda and Holly discussed the Johnson Amendment in season 2, episode 4: Grading the Trump administration on religious freedom (starting around 09:50 in that episode). You can also read more about BJC's work defending the protections of the Johnson Amendment Journalist Jeff Sharlet wrote a book titled “The Family” in 2009 about the Fellowship Foundation, including the National Prayer Breakfast. In August 2019, Netflix released a 5-episode series called “The Family.” You can read John Fea's review of the Netflix series that ran in The Washington Post. Segment 3 (starting at 32:12): What's the difference between the National Prayer Breakfast and the National Day of Prayer? Amanda quoted Brent Walker and quoted Holly from this BJC press release in 2011 about the National Day of Prayer. Amanda tweeted about attending the White House's naturalization ceremony, held on Religious Freedom Day. See her tweets about attending here, including a clip from Second Gentleman Douglas Emhoff's speech. Respecting Religion is made possible by BJC's generous donors. You can support these conversations with a gift to BJC.
Christian talk show host Eric Metaxas felt compelled to write the book Letter to the American Church. After having studied the German church during the Nazi era in his research for his exceptional biography entitled Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy, he was struck by the disturbing similarities with today's American church. Guest host Adam McManus talks with Metaxas who echoes Dietrich Bonhoeffer's prophetic call. The nationally syndicated talk show host exhorts Christians to repent of their silence in the face of evil before it is too late. After all, it was the brave Bonhoeffer who famously said, “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. God will not hold us guiltless.” Sadly, when the American church saw the evil implemented by Democratic Senator Lyndon Johnson of Texas in 1954 through the Johnson Amendment, it remained silent. The church desperately needs courage to speak up in the face of today's evils of abortion, evolution, euthanasia, sexual perversion, and the Left's indoctrination of children.
Christian talk show host-Eric Metaxas-felt compelled to write the book-Letter to the American Church.--After having studied the German church during the Nazi era in his research for his exceptional biography entitled-Bonhoeffer- Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy, he was struck by the disturbing similarities with today's American church.--Guest host Adam McManus talks with Metaxas who echoes Dietrich Bonhoeffer's prophetic call. The talk show host exhorts Christians to repent of their silence in the face of evil before it is too late. After all, it was the brave Bonhoeffer who famously said, -Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. God will not hold us guiltless.---Sadly, when the American church saw the evil implemented by Democratic-Senator Lyndon Johnson-of Texas in 1954 through the Johnson Amendment, it remained silent.--We-desperately-need courage in the face of today's evils of abortion, evolution, euthanasia, sexual perversion, and the Left's indoctrination of children.--This program includes---1. The World View in 5 Minutes with Adam McManus -Eric Metaxas compares German church with U.S. church, 11 Reps. and 2 Senators are sexual perverts, Muslims bombed Congo church service, killing 17 and injuring 39---2. Generations with Kevin Swanson -Guest Host- Adam McManus-
Christian talk show host-Eric Metaxas-felt compelled to write the book-Letter to the American Church.--After having studied the German church during the Nazi era in his research for his exceptional biography entitled-Bonhoeffer- Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy, he was struck by the disturbing similarities with today's American church.--Guest host Adam McManus talks with Metaxas who echoes Dietrich Bonhoeffer's prophetic call. The talk show host exhorts Christians to repent of their silence in the face of evil before it is too late. After all, it was the brave Bonhoeffer who famously said, -Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. God will not hold us guiltless.---Sadly, when the American church saw the evil implemented by Democratic-Senator Lyndon Johnson-of Texas in 1954 through the Johnson Amendment, it remained silent.--We-desperately-need courage in the face of today's evils of abortion, evolution, euthanasia, sexual perversion, and the Left's indoctrination of children.
We discuss the ACTS 5:29 Statement pastors and elders can sign declaring they will keep their churches open when government tries controlling worship or shutting down churches again. We address forgotten history of the “Black Robe Regiment,” the Johnson Amendment, growing movement of patriot pastors who refuse to back down from lies of the enemy and threats to religious freedom.
In this solo episode, I spoke with Rachel Laser, who became president and CEO of Americans United for Separation of Church and State in February of 2018. She is the organization's first non-Christian and female leader in its 75 year history. Rachel is a lawyer, advocate and strategist who has dedicated her career to making our country more inclusive. We spoke about her work with religious organizations, whether the Johnson Amendment will ever be enforced, what people still don't get about church/state separation, and more. 0:00 Intro 2:00 What did you take away from the results of the midterm elections? 5:16 What's the relationship between AU and religious organizations? 10:02 How does your strategy shift given the Supreme Court's right-wing shift? 17:23 How fundamental are lawsuits to AU's mission? 22:18 Are there ways to get Republicans to support church/state separation? 27:04 What misconceptions do Americans have about church/state separation? 32:57 Will new IRS funding lead to enforcement of the Johnson Amendment? 36:03 What are the biggest looming church/state issues we should be concerned about?
Rebecca, Liz, Monica, and Alison discuss the ways in which the separation of church and state surfaces during election season. They'll break down the Johnson Amendment, the rules and restrictions churches must adhere to in order to be tax-exempt, and then explore the unique complaints they receive involving voting in churches. FFRF, AHA, and American Atheists (like churches!) are 501(c)(3) organizations and therefore do not endorse or oppose candidates for public office. Background The Texas Tribune and Propublica (2022) - “Churches are breaking the law and endorsing in elections, experts say. The IRS looks the other way.” FFRF - “The Case in Support of the Johnson Amendment” FFRF - “Church Polling Places” MTSU - “History of the Johnson Amendment” IRS - The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations FFRF - “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” AHA (2019) - “Organizations to Congress: Protect the Johnson Amendment” AA - “Churches as Polling Places” Washington Post (2016) - “Florida Mosque Removed as Polling Place after Complaints, Threats” The Humanist (2018) - “On the Hill: How Arcane Senate Rules Saved the Johnson Amendment (For Now)” Humanists International (2007) - “U.S. District Court allows voting in churches” Newsweek (2022) - “Idaho Church Under Fire for Hosting GOP Rally Ahead of Midterms” Cases Berman v. Board of Elections (1969) Otero v. State Election Board of Oklahoma (1992) FFRF v. Trump (2017) Check us out on Facebook and Twitter. Our website, we-dissent.org, has more information as well as episode transcripts.
Welcome to Freedom Friday w/guest Dr. Steve Turley, join us as we discuss the attempted cancel culture attack on Steve's new Documentary "The Rise of the American Patriot. How a Remnant church stepped up and saved the premier and why its important to stand with others in times of censorship.https://www.turleytalks.com/https://www.facebook.com/turleytalks/https://twitter.com/DrTurleyTalkshttps://www.instagram.com/turleytalks/https://rumble.com/c/DrSteveTurleyhttps://insidersclub.turleytalks.com/welcome Welcome to freedom Fridays. This is Dr. Steve Turley. And he is a well, you're an author, you're a movie maker, you have a podcast, you've got a YouTube channel, if you've if you've been on YouTube, I mean, which I haven't you see this guy, and I love. I love your demeanor, your care, your kind of your, your style of commentary, because it's very, it's funny, it's light hearted, you know, because we're looking at some dark subjects. And you bring such a good, just uplifting and entertaining way of looking at some of these things. So I appreciate you coming on the program. Steve 6:17 Oh, thanks, Gary. It's it's, it's my honor, we were just talking earlier, you know, you are in a bluer area and a very, very red state. So I'm in a very, very blue state. And so I guess on the little red dot and that blue state. So we have, we see we see comparable challenges in our own backyards. And I think we can encourage each other a lot through it. Gary Duncan 6:41 Yeah, thank you. Let's talk about your new document that you just came out on the 15th, I believe. And I'll read a little bit about some pushback you got as soon as it came out before it came out. Your your documentary is called the return of the American patriot. Because you're the page you're the professor, patriot, right? Patriot, Professor, Steve 7:00 Patriot professor, that's Gary Duncan 7:02 you, I was thinking, if I had you as a professor, when I was in college, I probably would have stayed awake during history class. Because I mean, your the way you bring about the news and and things that are happening in our culture and in the church and things like that, is it just keeps you it keeps you focused, but entertained enough to to not walk away really ticked off. You know what I'm saying? And you bring a great perspective to it. So talk a little bit about the documentary you've got out, and you're kind of some of the things you've run against, you know, producing Oh, Steve 7:41 yeah, well, so this movie really tries to present that our 20 minute documentary, that kind of hopeful optimism that Ronald Reagan gave to us any great movement is going to have to be optimistic at its very core also ends up eating itself and dies or just look at woke leftism, and just the resentment that killing their movement. Yeah, this returning the American patriot is actually a it's a, it's a documentary on the rise of the Pennsylvania Magga movement. It really is the story of how ordinary Americans who never before involved in politics rose up in mass and mobilized to successfully take on unconstitutional COVID mandates, election integrity issues, woke school boards all across their state. It's a very inspirational story of the people effectively pushing back against the permanent political class. And you would think that anyone who openly supported democracy would be interested in a film like this, you know, it's as democratic as it gets. But little did we know that the very drama we captured on film would actually play itself out in real time for the premiere we had. We had scheduled a live premiere on July 16th, at a local IMAX theater in Lancaster, Pennsylvania called Penn cinemas and they had a 400 seat capacity. We opened up the tickets and we sold out literally in hours. We sold out in 24 hours, those 400 tickets. And then we learned just days before the premiere that a group of woke activists called Stand Up Lancaster cry bullied the movie theater to cancel our premiere. Remember, these are people who actually believe you can work try to wrap your mind around this. These are people actually believe that censorship is a form of free speech. They literally believe that right? They defend big tech and all sorts of censoring us because they say that's their right to their own freedom of speech. That's their Gary Duncan 9:58 free speech. Ah, that's their nobody else's. Steve 10:02 Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Well, sad. Right? Exactly. Again, it's a square circle. It's just, it's beyond absurd. They cry bullied this movie theater to canceled premiere and unfortunately the owner of the theater was a coward and he caved and canceled our contract just days before the scheduled viewing. So there we were without a venue for tickets sold. No venue. So we went to another venue. And it was the Wyndham hotel in Lancaster. And they gave us a contract to rent out their theater venue there. They had hosted the republican party a few months prior to that the state Republican Party, so we thought we were pretty safe with them. And they there was they had an 800 seat capacity. So we doubled our ticket sales again. So it was really like, Oh, this is great. This is awesome. And then the same thing happened. They were they were they weren't just cried bullied, I was told there was even threats of mob violence if they didn't shut us down. And and so there we were two venues canceled. We were being mocked and ridiculed by the local Lancaster paper, which is a total left wing rag. It's the most Whoa, it's called LNP. It is pathetic, their board of editors actually came out and defended these practices. So again, now we have a medium major media outlet local media outlet defending censorship. It's absolutely astonishing. And keep in mind, Gary, keep in mind for a movie no one had ever even seen. This, this was this was the most dangerous movie, no one saw. I mean, literally no one. I hadn't even sat through the whole thing by this time, right? They were getting my staff was gonna surprise me with the whole edited version. So there we were no venue. And that is and this is why I'm so honored to talk with you. That is when the pastors of Christ Community Church and Camphill godly men stepped in, they have a 1200 seat auditorium, replete with a full movie theater quality sound system, massive movie theater size screen, and they offered it to us and their 1200 seat auditorium. We ended up selling all 1200 tickets. Okay, so we went from 400 to 1200. Talk about three fold increase, right? Yeah, God Gary Duncan 12:28 had better plans for you than you thought it and Steve 12:31 that there's no way we could have planned this. We would never have planned our brains don't think that way. Let's plan for a 1200 seat, you know, Premier with Doug Mastriano there and all that sort of stuff, kind of stuff who's running for governor there? They offered to us and the moment these leftists heard about that, they started threatening the church. Okay. Again, this tells you who these people really are. They started threatening the church they were going to contact the IRS which they did. Again, there was an the same media outlets did the exact same thing. You know, violating separation between church and state bringing Doug Mastriani was campaigning for Governor there in person and blah, blah, blah, violating the Johnson Amendment all this nonsense. And and so when it ended up having all of this you know, proverbial dung hitting the fan. Even the lawyer of the church told the pastors you need to drop this, right, because lawyers are risk averse. That's what do you need to drop this? We're getting, we don't want the IRS breathing down our neck and so forth. Those two pastors stood firm. They told their lawyer take a hike. We're standing for liberty and truth. And, and, and they hosted us. We came in 1200 People Doug mastriano, huge premiere, it was absolutely amazing. Electric standing ovation at the end. And in the end, Gary, in the end, seven protesters showed up they weren't even allowed on to the vicinity. They had to hang out on the street across from the church seven protesters with their little arts and crafts, you know, signs document separation between church and state. I think even one guy said I worship Satan something ridiculous right? And, and just to show you that God, God does have a very wonderful sense of humor for his children. Gary, it was raining. So they had to stand out there in the rain, with their masks on looking repulsively ridiculous as people who love faith, family and freedom were all gathered together in an astonishing fellowship. It was absolutely beautiful. You know, Doug master on game got up gave a very great It's just and, and beautiful talk. And it was an amazing testimony to what patriots can do when we all stick together. Gary Duncan 15:09 Wow, that's awesome. As you were talking about that I was getting this picture of this little, tiny weeny little mouse and this huge elephant. And, and it gives me encouragement because I've really focused a lot on where's the church, and I could see how the left and the small 1% or half a percent of a population controls the whole country and my church. And so we really that's encouraging to hear. And and it's who's the church again, is you need to you need to give that name out again, because the people that hosted you and those pastors because they really that's a there and a thing goes for that. Yeah, Steve 15:51 absolutely. Christ Community Church in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, Camp Hill, two words, Pennsylvania, Gary Duncan 15:58 they if you're looking for a church in that in that city, then this is the one to go to, because they that's what you that, to me, that's Ephesians six, you know, when you stand and they're willing to stand against all odds, and that's, that's awesome. Steve 16:13 And just just to drive this home, the pastor when he got up to give the prayer before the whole event, invited everyone of course, if you're looking for churches to come here, and by the way, next week, we're showing another movie 2000 mules. So these guys, are they these guys are the real deal. Gary Duncan 16:32 They are the remnant church. Steve 16:34 They are so bold, it's beautiful. Gary Duncan 16:38 That that is great. What would you so that was the one way churches and the community to you know, leadership in church could get involved? Get your get your documentary and have it hosted at their church? I mean, are you are you pursuing that at all or looking? Steve 17:00 Oh, yeah, no, we've had we had the documentary going around all over the place now at this point. So it just last Thursday. It went live live streaming. So now you can actually stream it live. If you go to the return of the American patriot.com You can get your own copy. And, and absolutely, I think we even have a situation. We have a protocol from where you can you can show it in a mass viewing. Okay. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Gary Duncan 17:31 And I'll put the links in the show notes and all that for a site and all that. What's tell us a little bit about some of the stories or the things that are in the movie are a couple of them just kind of thesis. Steve 17:43 Yeah, well so what it centers on so Pennsylvania is interesting because it is probably the single most Rhino infested state in the nation a lot of people don't know that so when we think of like you know, Republicans in name only write your Neo cons just just PETE Yeah their note well I prefer Diablo Democrat and all but label or you know if they're part of the unit party the Lindsey Graham's the Mitt Romney's the middle Lincoln project, right to Lincoln Lane candy project. Exactly. Liz Cheney. They're there. They're part of the permanent political class. It's radically secularized, radically globalist that hates our culture's customs traditions, hate family, faith, family and freedom. Those things get in the way of their their globalist projects and so forth Gary Duncan 18:34 are wolves in sheep's clothing. Steve 18:36 They really are because they because they campaign is patriots but then they Governor governor's permanent political class members. And when we tend to think of states like that, I mean up until recently, we tend to think of some a place like Arizona where you know, John McCain had such an inordinate effect effects and influence well that's gone now Carrie Lake and Blake masters and Mark Finch him have all crushed that it's now Maga country and Carrie Lake is going to win by the way she's definitely on track and I think like masters gonna have no mark Finch up to he's almost 10 over his opponent. So the these people he's going for Secretary of State so the, you know, you tend to think that these people these rhinos are in places like Arizona or even most recently, like Utah with Mitt Romney and their crazy Governor given his pronouns out and all this sort of nonsense. Okay, keep in mind these are Republicans, but but Pennsylvania is actually the worst Pennsylvania the Republican Party is no different, literally than the Democratic Party when Doug Mastriano one who's a dear Christian brother, amaze me. He's He's literally now the poster boy for Christian nationalism, as they call it today. The big boogeyman we could talk about that, which is a lot of fun, you know, but nevertheless, he, when he got the nomination was almost 50% of the vote with a Guys in that race for the Republican nomination, the top five Republicans in the Senate, his suppose it colleagues, he's a state senator, they all turned around and endorsed the Democrat Josh Shapiro. And keep in mind, Gary, Josh Shapiro is all for unfettered abortion. Right. He's all for, you know transgenderism is all for CRT in our, in our classrooms. I mean, this is full blown woke nonsense and Republicans are endorsing it. This movie is all about moms and dads and grandparents and people who've never been involved at Amish Pennsylvania dodge, all rising up together, mobilizing and organizing and taking back the Republican Party with Doug Mastriano has nomination being sort of the crown jewel of this project, taking back the Republican Party away from these rhinos, these Diablos and giving it back to the people so that the values of faith, family and freedom become the values of the party they want all they want. In the end. It's a process, the technical processes known as re territorialization. Yeah, it's a fancy schmancy word. But what it just simply means what we're seeing today, and this is what I think Christian nationalism actually is. It's if globalism, de territorial losses of globalism, dis embeds and dislodge his political life away from the local and to the trans local to this managerial class that oversees the entire political and economic complex, if globalism, D territory alized his political involvement, what the what the collapse of globalism is basically is a re territorial loss. And it's bringing politics back to the people back to the local back to the county and the community. And what you're seeing in Pennsylvania in particular, but you're seeing it all over Pennsylvania is a microcosm, what you're seeing is these communities, all organizing all across their counties to create a single party, that is once again, upholding the values, interests, concerns of those who love faith, family and freedom. That's all they want. They just want their leaders to represent their values rather than despise them. And that's the movie takes you through the journey of how they did that through the COVID mandate and sanity through the CRT and sanity and through the election. You know, shenanigans in 2020. Gary Duncan 22:43 With would this be sound like a great movie that I need to show in our Davidson County Republican Party group to see how it's done? Because, you know, as we talked earlier, I was I'm in a red state, you know, super majority of Republicans in the state. But in my county, which is the state capital of the Davidson County, which were the state capitalism. It's full blown blue, communist. I mean, those school board is full on communist liberal. I mean, they voted down the Nash, the Republican National Committee come into town for the convention. Yeah, we're, we're, we're going to be paying for people to go across our state employees to go across the state lines to get abortions. I mean, it's just bizarre. And, you know, how do how does a small well, not a small county, but the main county in the state had, how do we fight against this? I mean, were those small, local areas, were they blue? Or were they more red, and people just came together? I know, it's a groundswell of grassroots effort. Steve 23:54 It is so Pennsylvania's can be a little different, because Pennsylvania, so if anything, like we're talking about earlier that the the Republican Party is a bit complacent in Tennessee from from what I'm hearing, or to say, whereas whereas in Pennsylvania, that complacency, characterized the last three decades, and and now there's kind of a reawakening going on. And, yeah, it applying it to your particular locality would be interesting that that's going to involve, I think, some some, you know, creative inventiveness on your part. How do you awaken the population, your own locality, one thing that seems to be doing it and this there's a section in this movie that touches on it, one thing that seems to be doing it is wokeness wokeness is freaking out, even the left. That's something we've got some studies on that now. So we're finding that anything woke will actually tend to split the left. So think of people like Bill Maher, or peers Morgan or a Dave Rubin, either even even even a Jordan Peterson would have said he would have been considered center left. Five years ago, you would have considered himself center left five years ago. They, they they abhor wokeness every bit as much as any conservative wokeness is, is a pourraient to most people. And so the more we push culture wars, and this is what Mastriano is doing. It's what Glenn Younkin did. So well so ingeniously in, in Virginia, back in the 2021 election, where he's pushing CRT CRT soon, and he made Terry McAuliffe actually defend teachers, unions, school boards, and CRT and that split the last half of Macola Fs constituents went back, I don't want that. Whereas the other half were ravenously, eating it up like zombies, you know, eating up a body or something like that. So that's one side of it. But the other side of it is as it's splitting and laugh, woke issues, unite the right woke issue for and again, for lack of better terms left and right, right. But it unites the right unites the Republicans. In other words, if you ask Democrats, do you support this work issue? 50% Say yes. 50% say no, you ask Republicans to support this work is you 100% basically say, No. So Republicans are more likely to come out and vote against a woke issue than Democrats are to come out and vote for it. So pushing the culture wars, from the vantage point of the woke left exposing the woke left, that seems to have a very powerful animating capacity. Gary Duncan 26:48 So how going back to churches again, because that's my thing is Yeah, is because they've got the biggest voice, because they've got people in front of them. And what you just said there is pushing the culture because the church should be the one that changes culture, not the culture, change the church, of course, and we need those pastors and those leaders that will take that very thing and push that narrative of the culture in a biblical way that educates and motivates the people sitting in the pews. And, and I'm not seeing that I'm starting to see a lot around the country happen. And I'm seeing one or two or three maybe churches here in town that do that. But it's not, I don't see it as and that's why I like you, because you're very positive. I'm usually a positive guy. But after 2020, I just went downhill. Yeah, positiveness. Because it saw assault. 2020 is is the dividing point within the church of woke and realism. There because we're in a spiritual war, we're in our spiritual war that I don't think people really get. It's a biblical revelational. In times spiritual war, we've always been in war. But this one takes a different to me, this one takes on a different connotation, because what we're doing to the children, what we're allowing to be done to the children in the name of not offending other people, you know, with masks and all the stuff and then the wokeness in the schools. And I've been to several school board meetings, and I think I've yet to see a pastor stand up, and shame and, and, and preach to the school boards, right about what they're doing. I've seen regular people. And I think that it has to actually some a lot of the movement is coming from the people sitting in the pews that are sick and tired. Yes, what's going on? And there's nothing in the pulpit that says, This is how we deal with transgenderism. This is how we deal with because they don't want to get yelled at. They don't want to leave the church because we had a church split. Pastor left, but he's a very, I'm telling you, Steve burger. I mean, if you ever heard him, right, he's on fire about what we should be doing. Ryan. Steve 29:13 It is it is. It is a a very chilling testimony, that the person who has done more for Christianity and has just recently delivered, perhaps the single best message to the church is from a Canadian psychologist who doesn't even go to church. Gary Duncan 29:35 Jordan Peterson? Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Right. Steve 29:38 Right. I mean, that's it. That's a testimony to either Well, I should say it's a judgment. I mean, that's, I mean, if you think about how, what he has been able to say, I mean, I don't know if you saw his message to Christian churches. I like to Well, yeah, it's very good. It's very good. I've got on my channel. I did a little commentary. on it, but it was absolutely brilliant. Woke I mean, he he made he didn't he didn't mince words, woke ism is a crippled religion. It is an it is a it is a pernicious violent ideology that wants to erase the church. And so the only way the church is going to push back against woke ism is by not being woke. But being the opposite. And and you cannot be more opposite woke than to speak into the hearts and minds of the men of your congregation. You've got to speak to the men. And you've got to let men all over the nation know that if they want to be men. And if they want a place where they're allowed to be men without being disparaged. The only place is the Christian church. That's when you see revival. When you see men come because you know the old saying if you if you when children and your evangelistic efforts if you win children, you win children, okay? If you if you if you win, wives, you know, you win wives, but if you win, husbands, you win the husbands, you win the wives and you win the children, there's a right there's, there's an order to which God created the world a creational order. And woke ism is just throwing it all into utter chaos, as did Satan and Genesis chapter three, the serpent, turn the world upside down, right? It's supposed to be God, man, woman animals, and we're just not in that, that kind of order. And Satan that the serpent turns around and makes it animal woman man and God's not even there. Right. So that's the great inversion that we've seen. So woke ism is very, it's just, it's just in line with that. So what we entered understand what's really going on big picture seems to me is that for the last 100 years or so that's those were when the seeds were being sold sown, but it really came to fore in the 1940s, as I understand it. Before 1940, the Supreme Court saw religion as a public good, as did all of our founding fathers. They all believed in what's called an accommodationist conception of religion. And the accommodations, conceptual religion is church and state work together in partnership for the betterment of human society, to create a republic of virtue of free men, because they knew the founding fathers knew that the only way we could be free, is if we were self governing, but the only way we could be self governing is if we had if we we tapped into a virtue tradition of some kind. And for them, of course, 98% of them that's going to be Christian and formed fruits of the Spirit, you name it, right Sermon on the Mountain, like 10 commandments, but the only way you can really tap into a faith tradition genuinely, is if you're free. Right? So and the only way you're ultimately free, is if you're if you're cultivating some kind of virtue, but the only way you're cultivating virtue is by tapping into some kind of faith. And the only way you're tapping to real true faith is through freedom which grows virtue which God has faith with God is free. That's called the Golden Triangle of freedom. And so they understood the church is indispensable to a free people. You have to have a sacred vision of the good to which we can all aspire, in order for us to be a people living in Liberty walking in Liberty, right? The Galatians passage barks a lot. For liberty, you have been set free. After 1940 For whatever reason, it's hard to pinpoint why but obviously, it seems to be something in the legal the law schools in the universities, the Supreme Court started instituting a separation test doctrine between church and state. So while the accommodations doctrine always made a clear distinction between church and state, the state's not the church, the church, not the state, Christ's humanity and divinity, right. They're not commingled in the lie. By Gary Duncan 34:24 grant. That's why they came to America, one of the reasons they got away from England, Steve 34:28 because it was a state church. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. So so the church and the state are different, and yet they work together. And that's what made our experiments so powerful, so amazing, because freedom is what holds it all together, in that sense. And so then, after 1940, the Supreme Court started instituting more of a separations for you and we know that because they started quoting from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote rode to the Danbury, Baptists, Danbury, Connecticut, I'm not born not too far away from there, where he used this phrase against, not even in the Constitution, Jefferson didn't even write the constitution is not even in the Constitution, you know the phrase, the separation between church and state. And before 1940. That phrase was only used as I understand about a handful of times in Supreme Court decisions and deliberations in the light after 1940. It's been used 1000s of times. So something happened there. And what that did in effect is it drove the church from the public square, and consigned it solely into the private sphere of life care. You see it in our urban planning, you know, think of your New England Commonwealth, what was the most prominent building on the town green, the steeple, the church, absolutes, the church, you go into the medieval towns of Europe, the most prominent building that you see in the center of this beautiful medieval city, it's the church, right, and the castle is right across from often in the shadow of the church. So in our urban planning, we can see the the role the place that the church played in a flourishing human society today in modern urban planning, where's the church? Gary Duncan 36:25 Not it's beside the coffee shop, Steve 36:28 you got it. That's it, you got it. It's in the place of consumption, and consumerism. So you've got your, you've got your pizza hut, you know, you've got your dry cleaners, and you've got first Methodist, you've got it, it's push, it's pushed into the periphery, the private sphere of life. And here's how we tie it all together, Gary, there is no way that the church can proclaim truth, social truth, cultural truth, in that position, any more than Pizza Hut can. That's what happened to us. We got privatize, we were talking about it. Earlier in the break. You said it perfectly belonged to the church today, in most people's minds, even inside the church, thank God for the Holy Spirit, converting our hearts. But even inside the church, our social conditions have trained us to believe that being part of the church is being part of a club. It's being part of you might as well be part of weightwatchers right or what our yoga club or whatever it is, it has no objective moral truth to its proclamation anymore. So it's now ridiculed and laughed at and dismissed, and the like, what pastors are going to have to rediscover. And by the way, the Maga movement is right there to help them with this. What they're going to have to rediscover is a voice that can speak publicly. Again, this is not personal, private truth. Christ is truth, the law galls holds the universe together. And when we proclaim God's truth, that's true for everyone, regardless of whether you believe it or not, because that's public and a private, I get it personal, private, Subjective Truth. That's your deal. That's my deal. You like pistachio? I like chocolate. No problem, I got it. But when you're dealing with public, social life, truth is objective. It applies to all not just some, it's objective. It's not just subjective, it's obligatory. It's not just optional. Now, of course, we're free to respond. But that freedom of response is predicated on the objectivity of that truth. And that's what our pastors have to rediscover, when they rediscover it. They were discovered this that we're on fire. Gary Duncan 38:50 Yeah, I think, like you're saying, we've lost the identity or am I'm really about waking up the leadership, because the leaders are what leads the people, not the people lead the leader, but that's kind of where it's going. But we've lost our identity and our authority in our power. I mean, I'm reading the Bible, and it's saying, you know, these signs shall follow those who believe you will cast out demons you will heal the sick, right? speak in new tongues, and I'm looking around I'm going well, when's the last time I cast out a demon? Or anybody's cast out a demon and healed the sick and it's like, that's our heritage. God gave us through the Holy Spirit these abilities when he chooses to do those things. And if if leadership is not telling us and helping us, it's because that's the purpose. The purpose of these gifts are to edify the church so we can go out and do these things. And it just it just and that's why 2020 blew me away so bad is because the deception that came about And it's like, who are we anymore? And no wonder young people in the Millennials don't want to get involved in a church unless it's happy clappy and coffee and smoke machines and fog machines and all that kind of stuff. You know, it's a country club again. So and the one thing I'm, and here's my negative, so help me out here. I think when we get to the when we do wake up the left, and the evil that's behind the globalists and all the things, they're not going to let it go too long. I mean, you're talking about, it's getting time to where we're going to sacrifice more than just our good name, our lives, our livelihood, there's people out there now doing that and praise God to those that are standing and fighting. But I think that what the the leadership of the church needs to really get ready, is to gird up, because I see the coming age of the church not being happy clappy, but it's gonna be persecuted beyond belief where we're at coming. You see what they did in 2020? What's What are they willing to do if they're willing to kill children? And they're willing to euthanize the older and they're willing to, to propagate a bio weapon across the whole world? What are they willing to do? Ya know, it's scary when the church does stand up, what are they willing to do and we got to be ready for it. We got to know how to fight back. And that's my whole thing. We're not fighting. We've raised a bunch of in the last 50 years, we've raised a bunch of chocolate soldiers. You're in the first moment of any heat, we melt like, like little statues of a bunny rabbit. Steve 41:42 But that's what privatized faith does it right. It has it has no backbone, you know, it's like, you know, you renounce pistachio ice cream, I'm gonna punch you okay, I pronounced that. Right. That's that. That's what privatize faith does? It is it is. There's no I mean, when Alexander Solzhenitsyn came over to the United States, and gave his Harvard address in 1979, that amazing address called the world split apart. One of the first things he did it, I mean, everybody thought he was gonna go rah, rah West, he actually said no, Soviet Union is pretty horrible, pretty terrible. But the West is just a secular, it's just as atheistic and you're gonna go in the same direction, you're just you're doing it with four car garages, you know, you make it a little bit more tolerable. And he said, the one thing he noticed about the West, the principal characteristic that caught his eyes, we've lost courage. And in the classical world, the Four Virtues, wisdom, moderation, justice, and courage of those four, and that, you know, corresponds to the four elements of the cosmos. Right, that's all held together by the law girl. So we've got our four gospels, right, that all held together by Christ, the logos themselves, and then we have the additional faith, hope and love virtues and all that sort of stuff. It's all part of this amazing world, this identity would belong to 2000 years old, and even stretching before that with these, these pagan traditions that end up getting transfigured and, and by Christ himself. I mean, Solzhenitsyn pointed out, you know, of those Four Virtues, all the ancients recognize courage was the most important one, because without courage, you don't have the fortitude to defend the other three. Without courage, you can't defend, in this case, faith, hope and love. You can't defend it. You can't defend faith, family and freedom requires. It requires courage. So I think, look, I think the good news in this is, again, you look around the world and what's happened. You had 70 years of Soviet communism ravaged land. That was the jewel of Byzantium. Okay, so you're talking Czarist Russia, 60,000, ornate, gorgeous churches. Some of the biog some of the historical biographies you'll read, I mean, they weren't incredibly Pieta stick people, extraordinarily so Bolsheviks come in, and literally ravaged it so that by the end of that 70 year period, interesting, interesting number of by the way, at the end of that 70 year period, there were only 2000 functioning churches left they were gone, that it was going through 1000 monasteries during the Czar's period. Not a single monastery was an operation when the when the Soviet Union fell. And by the way, keep in mind, keep in mind, the very day the Soviet Union officially fell the most atheistic regime on the planet. Of course, it was December 25. It was Christmas Day, right. So a new birth happened because now here we are 30 years later. And by the way, this is this is true for much of eastern Europe as a whole 30 years later, a Russia is now approaching upwards of five 50,000 churches, they are on track by the year 2050, to be in full restoration of that czarist orthodox glory and the book by John Burgess, a theological historian at Pittsburgh seminary, where he went out to study the role of Christianity in Russia right now, what happened in Russia, in effect was communism got replaced by orthodoxy. So the vacuum that communism left was filled by going back to their identity by going back to their civilization, their cultures, a customs, and traditions. So for right or wrong, all that sort of stuff, you're not getting it all that what we have to understand is, that was after 70 years of the single most incessant atheistic regime on the planet that was literally killing millions upon millions upon millions of people. And here we are 30 years after it's collapsed. And the church is on fire. They're like never before there was a 2012 study done by the journal for the scientific study of religion. And they they had a marker of religious revivals, they had about seven different gauges for determining the level of religious revival. And they concluded there's no way around it. Christianity is on fire. So is Soviet Union falls and 1992. Only about 3019 91 Sorry, 30% of the population because themselves Christian, today. 70% does, it's hot. It's cool to be a Christian, and we're like we were talking about earlier today, what they were able to do is they were able to rediscover it and re weave Christianity into their culture into their, into their life. We they could do that with with, you know, their Russian Orthodox resources. And imagine what we can do with our evangelical resources. The way we can reawaken the church and weave it into every aspect of life. So yeah, it's gonna be dark. No question. Yeah, there's a Friday upon us. But you know what day follows Friday. Darkness of Friday is always followed by Sunday. Always. That's the Christian gospel all ways guaranteed. And when we have that faith, when we have that confidence, we cannot be intimidated. And when we cannot be intimidated, we like an axe, we begin turning the world upside down. Gary Duncan 47:40 Oh, great. I feel better already. No, that's good. That's good. I know you gotta run. One last question. We're gonna take it. See real quick. I'll edit this out. Sure. Okay. And you may have already answered but so where do you see us going from here in our culture? I know you're involved with reawakening tour. You've been involved with that. So with the church, do you? Where do you Well, let me ask you this. Where do you see England going? Now that we've got this new monarchy? That Well, Queen Elizabeth, she died? Okay. Sure. Sure. 70 years in reign? That's an interesting historical marker right there. Steve 48:35 Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Which? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cuz in many ways, she really was the last monarch of Christendom, of real genuine Christian emerge, she was, she was anointed, she was literally anointed with the Holy oil as Queen back in her and throne, their coronation 1953 It was the same coronation ceremony that goes all the way back to the 10th century to their very first king. And, and she did she I think she she held that position brilliantly, as only she could is sort of the last, you know, Elizabeth and member of the Elizabethan era, as it were, where we go from here is very difficult to see because England has again like we do they have a choice and but England? Well, no, it's going to be the same to be the same. In many respects. The choice is, are you going to continue down this futile road of flippant leftist skepticism and doubt and secularism? Or are you going to rediscover in many ways, like Her funeral was a call to do? And this by the way goes for Anglican clergy, who were probably even worse than most lay people on this woke nonsense stuff. I know I went to school with them. in Durham University, are they going to re embrace truth as understood in 2000 years of the Christian tradition unbroken? Or are they going to go the way of secular leftist liberalism? If they go back to truth that is going to be the most unifying, powerful, socially revivifying choice they could possibly make. If they go down the road of secular flippant you know, liberalism, the UK will dismember you can write that down. The UK will dismember it will fall and we're talking was we're talking first all of its abroad territories, you know, in the, in the, in the Caribbean area and so forth and Pacific and it's, it's going to dismember there and then you'll start to see the Scottish referendums come out, you're gonna start seeing United Ireland movements come out like never before, you're gonna start seeing Welsh nationalism come out, like you're gonna see English nationalism come out like never before we start breaking apart what it'll break apart and and it'll start tribal laws, and there's no way and I think we're going that's inevitably what's gonna happen with us. Because that's, we're already there. The 35 nations have been added to the world map since 1991. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, we're already there. Write a text that today is more popular than it's ever been, right, the Texas independence movement. I mean, it doesn't matter what we're looking at. Everywhere we look whether it's the breakaway republics and Donetsk and Lugansk, in the, in the Donbass region in Ukraine, whether it's Transnistria Transnistria, is a breakaway Republic from Moldova that wants to hook up back with with Russia, or Burundi and Rwanda or Slovakia and the Czech Republic, the two Sudan's, you name it everywhere we look, the world is breaking up. And the question is, what can hold it together? What holds the nation together and you said, you use the word culture, and the church being at the center of culture, we have to remember what the word is at the heart of the word culture. And that's the Latin cult cult us. We're not talking about people knocking on your doors, giving you tracks and I had to lead us to worship or something like that. Right? Right. We're talking the old old word cultist, meaning worship, the place of worship, your culture always comes out of, it flows out of the font of what you worship. And if we are going to worship, if we're gonna go back to worship God, in the way that has sustained Western civilization now, for 2000 years, we're gonna have another 2000 years, no problem, if we're gonna go and embrace this brave new world, things will break up. There's no way the brave new world of secular liberalism, gloves, and so forth is going to shatter, it's going to collapse. And we're going to break up into all of our own different regional loyalties or, or ideological loyalties or religious worlds, whatever it is, or increasing like BLM and so forth. Racial loyalties, we're going to try belies breakup and there's nothing that will stop that apart from returning to our Christian faith, the Christian faith alone will hold the UK together, the Christian faith alone will hold the United States together, I am very optimistic about the United States. I have to be honest, I'm not particularly optimistic with the UK. Gary Duncan 53:49 So the church is the glue that holds it all together, our Christian faith, and so that if we can regain our identity, which I think that's kind of the grassroots the move that that's coming along is regaining our roots in our belief, and in America, the church, and what are our power and authority is in the culture, I think you're right, if we can regain that back and take it back from the darkness, we do still have some time we are the salt and the law. And so ultimately, that's, that's our job is to, to, to push back evil, and to you know, continue to have freedom in this country. So the return of the American patriot, your documentary, that's a good place to start to getting encouraged and I'm gonna get a hold of that and watch it and get encouraged to to just stand and fight and like Ephesians six says to stand and that's what we're doing and I appreciate you very much for what you're doing and, and all the work that you're doing through YouTube and just getting the word out because every little bit counts. You know, and you're doing a big part. So I want to encourage the little guys out there as well. You know if you've got a voice to stand and fight against this, do it. But Dr. Steve Turley appreciate your time very much. And thank you so much for, for what you're doing in our culture. Steve 55:20 Thank you, Garrett. God bless you. God bless everything you're doing God bless Tennessee in that little blue pot a little blue patcher in the Nashville area. Little God bless and you are you're doing God's work and calling the church his people and particularly the leaders to embrace who we've been called to be. We are We are more than conquerors through Him who called us Yeah, Gary Duncan 55:44 very good. Thank you so much. You appreciate God bless. Appreciate it very much. It was pleasure meet you. Steve 55:51 Oh, right back at you, man. Yeah, right back. atcha Yeah, I saw I saw the probe. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
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It's an election year, and we're already seeing high-profile primaries and debates over the role religion plays in elections. In this episode, Amanda and Holly discuss constructive engagement for religious organizations in elections and voting, discussing terms that often get confused – such as “political” and “partisan” – and the important role of religion and religious people when it comes to advocating for policies. They explain the tax benefit that houses of worship and other charitable organizations receive and what that means when it comes to partisan campaigns. Getting involved in elections is one way you can fight back against Christian nationalism, and this episode talks about the legal rules and the rules of thumb when it comes to making your voice heard in the public square. SHOW NOTES Segment 1: What's the difference between being political and being partisan? (starting at 04:22) You can contact Amanda and Holly with your thoughts on the show by writing to RespectingReligion@BJConline.org. Segment 2: Understanding the tax rules and steering clear of violations (starting at 16:21) Holly mentioned IRS guidance for churches that is available online. You can see it at this link. Amanda mentioned the Pew Research poll that shows a majority of both Republicans and Democrats identify as Christians. You can see the full religious landscape study and results at this link. Holly mentioned BJC's one-page handout with tips for being an advocate instead of a partisan. You can see that here. For additional resources from BJC on churches and political campaigns – as well as the “Johnson Amendment” – visit BJConline.org/JohnsonAmendment. Segment #3: An extreme example (starting at 37:22) Amanda and Holly mentioned this post on our website: Troubling growth of Christian nationalism on display in the pulpit, on the campaign trail
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For more information about Dan Fisher and his work:https://www.danfisherbrr.com/Get copies of his books: Bringing Back the Black Robed Regiment and Unlimited Submissionhttps://fairview-baptist-church-brr-ministry.square.site/ Well, for the most part, Gary, I think most pastors are ill informed cowards. They're just hirelings. You know, Jesus talked about the hireling. And he said, when the hireling is watching over the flock, the first time he sees the predator coming, he abandons the sheep and runs off to save his own hide. But the shepherd, when he sees the predator approaching, he'll lay his life down for the sheep. 0:24 Wake up church, there's a war going on for the soul of our country, where the lies of the demonic control the narratives of our culture. Join your host, Gary Duncan, in search of the kingdom, warriors of our time, those not afraid to speak up and walk out the word of God in the face of evil. Get ready for a supernatural impartation a spiritual download of faith and fire into your life. Welcome to the remnant revolution. 0:53 As you were talking about the pastures that is if every pastor or enough of them stood up to this tax exam, oppression, yeah, and would all come together and realize that we can preach government, we can preach politics, we can preach this stuff without fear. If they all did go worse. Yeah, then then they'd have to take them all to jail. 1:17 Well, that's that's exactly right. In fact, Richard land who used to lead the engagement section of the Southern Baptist Convention, trying to get people to engage, used to say, if we're all willing to go to jail, none of us will have to. It's kind of like what Benjamin Franklin said, We either hang together or we hang separately. Here's the deal. The church there's never been a church in the history of the IRS, not one that's lost tax exempt status for political speech, not one church. And if people don't want to believe me, check out Matt Staver, the founder and president of Liberty Counsel. Mat Staver is one of the leading lawyers, attorneys in America, he's defending Christians left and right. And he's one of the leading authorities on Christians and tax law. And we have Matt Staver to speak at our boot camps that we do, we might want to mention those towards the end of our discussion, but at our boot camps, we have Matt speak, and he alleviates the fear that these pastors have of losing their tax free status. I actually do a presentation on the IRS and the Johnson Amendment and all that kind of stuff. But here's the deal. If we stay silent long enough, they're going to weaponize the IRS, I'm just telling you, they're gonna do that. And they'll come after us eventually, if we keep staying silent. You know, Dr. Ben Carson said he had never been audited by the IRS until he spoke at that prayer breakfast with President then President Obama, and, you know, challenged him. And of course, that's how Ben Carson then became kind of a national name. Everybody knew him. But he said after that I was audited three or four times just one right after the other. Yeah. Hmm. 3:04 I was gonna say, I watch the hearings back when the IRS was persecuting and going after the Tea Party. Sure. It was unbelievable. I didn't listen to the news or watch the actual conversations back and forth. And you could tell the this director, mopping he was lying through his teeth, and just say, well, the smugness of what they were doing, and if and if you people don't believe this, I would, I would urge them and this I watched this not too long ago with Simone gold, Dr. Simone gold. Oh, sure. Same thing. She She Oh, have you Okay, we she takes you through step by step of when she first started, you know, with some of the vaccine mandates, how they've gone from just persecuting her to now anybody that even in contact with her has now had all kinds of issues and things develop people come in. I mean, it's unreal. I'm like, Oh my gosh, and so it's to me, we're in the middle of a I call it a medical terrorism because they're right they're trying to scare us from doing anything. 4:17 And that's one of their that's why they're making such examples out of these these soldiers who've spoken out. Now one of them was still in uniform and should have resigned first and then made these comments but they're trying to make an example that's what they're doing with all the people from January the sixth now they should not have gone into the Capitol and done what they did that was that was wrong, but they are not guilty of crimes that they ought to be treated the way put in solitary confinement for you know, since then, and all that kind of stuff. They're trying to make examples out of them to send a message to everybody else. Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything. Don't stand up. Listen in 2008 I don't know if you're familiar with Alliance Defending used to be called ATF Alliance Defense Fund, but they're one of the largest Christian defense organizations in the world. Certainly in the United States, they launched what was called puppet freedom initiative. And the pulpit freedom initiative was a direct attack on the Johnson Amendment. And they vetted and trained 33 pastors across America to actually defy the Johnson Amendment and break the law, according to tax law, and endorse candidates from their pulpits, I was one of them. And then when we did that, that was when john mccain was running for president and we all held our noses and endorsed him. After that, the next day on Monday, we sent copies of our sermons to the IRS and said, This is what I did in my pulpit yesterday. And I was exercising my first amendment right. Now the reason we did that is we were trying to get the IRS to come after us and then ADF was going to defend us. And we were going to prove once and for all, that the Johnson Amendment is unconstitutional. We know what the IRS did nothing. And we've done the pulpit freedom initiative Sunday, on most major general elections, ever since the last official pulpit freedom Sunday, we had there were over 1600 pastors who officially participated that ADF would have defended, had the IRS come after them. And the IRS has done absolutely nothing. They even released unofficially, an unofficial memo that where they admitted that they don't have the authority to tell a preacher what he can preach, or what he can preach. Well, this is the fact. But these guys are under the illusion that they're going to lose their nonprofit status. When they're not. There never has been a church that's lost over political speech. But here's the deal, Gary, even if we did, are we going to be silent? I mean, I'd rather have my Liberty than tax free exemption. I mean, you know, are tax exempt status. The church ought to be because the power to tax would then give the the government the power to control the church, they control everything else they tax. But my point is, the most important thing is not a tax exempt status, the most important thing is freedom to speak our minds guaranteed by the First Amendment. So these preachers need to quit worrying about their tax free, you know, tax exempt status. Yeah, that's an issue and we ought to fight that. But that's not the most important issue, the most important issue is their freedom of speech, the freedom of religious thought, good grief, are they not even going to fight for that? And these guys? Well, for the most part, Gary, I think most pastors are ill informed cowards. They're just hirelings. You know, Jesus talked about the hireling. And he said, when the hireling is watching over the flock, the first time he sees the predator coming, he abandons the sheep and runs off to save his own hide. But the shepherd, when he sees the predator approaching, he'll lay his life down for the sheep. And today, we're pastored by hirelings, these guys do it for a paycheck. They're probably good guys, generally speaking, but they're in it for the career. They want a big church, they want a big paycheck, they want to be able to go play golf all the time, and they're not going to do anything that will jeopardize that. And there's cowards. I've even said that, well, to go around the country and paint most churches yellow, because because that's what they are, they're yellow. So it takes patriots to fight. If you remember, the framers, when they signed the Declaration of Independence, they thought they were signing their death warrants. They were convinced that they were going to be killed, and they would have been had the British won that fight, they would have executed all of those men that signed that declaration of independence and 8:49 many others. That's a brand that brings a thought to my mind about Win Win or the church and I say the church meaning just the body of Christ. Yeah. When are we willing to sign our death warrant? You know, it's obviously 9:05 not now. 9:08 But so we went, how bad you got to get for us to say, Okay, this is enough. We need to stand up and do some Yeah, I don't like you said, I don't know that we have that much time. 9:17 Well, Gary, in my presentation, when I when I get toward the end of it, I step out of character, and I become myself in my presentation. And I talk about what happens to a culture when the church goes silent. And I use Germany as an illustration. You know, the church in Germany just sat by while Hitler and the Nazis took over, because, you know, economy was getting better things were looking up and I even show pictures of Cardinals and bishops standing there doing the Heil Hitler salute. I even have pictures of Cardinals and bishops shaking hands with Hitler. They thought that if they could stay neutral, everything would be okay. Well, we know how that turned out. It wasn't okay, and In the end, Hitler went after the Catholics to I mean, he hated them all. Because tyrants cannot allow freedom of thought they just can't have that you got to knuckle under. And tyrants will always go after the church because the Church says, No, we're accountable to God and you're not God. That's why the Caesars in Rome, were so rough on the Christians, the first two or three centuries, because the Christians refused to say, Caesars Lord, Jesus is Lord. Now we'll we'll submit Caesar to you as our governor, but you're not the Lord. Well, that wasn't good enough. And so they killed Christians. That's what they always do. So I don't know how these preachers, these modern preachers today think that if America falls and goes Marxist, that they're going to be okay, because they're not going to be okay. 10:55 To me this, it's for me, it's plain to see that everything that we're going through right now, with the vaccines and the January 6, and all the things that are happening, I mean, we're getting hit, we're in a war, and we're getting hit from all sides. Yeah, if you look at it, every bit of it is anti God. It's an anti rubberised is moving itself around the world. And so if we're in that place, then to me, the church, the body of Christ should should shift from a peace time mentality to a wartime mentality. Yes. And so, you know, and you hear that, I know you did an article on Romans 13, unlimited submission to government released that book, there's a great bunch of people that that's what they fall on, you know, well, we got to submit to government and I hear it, you know, I think even in Titus three, one through two says, remind them to be subject to the rules and authorities to obey to the already for every good work to speak evil of no one to be peaceful, gentle, showing all humanity, humility to all men, you're right, that you're like, Okay, so I can't stand up and fight against, you know, Allah, because that would be speaking evil. 12:09 But Gary, in my book that I just released on Romans 13, by the way, if the people are interested in my materials, they can go to my website, Dan Fisher brr.com. And they can they can get our materials. But in that book, 12:22 we'll have all that in the links in the in the show notes and all that we'll have all that Lego as 12:26 well, in my book on Romans 13, I identify the kind of government that Paul is saying, you should submit to he says that the kind of government that's worthy of your submission, rewards the doers of good and punishes the doers of evil. And by doing so, they become a minister of God, because all authority ultimately comes from God. Then I quote, preachers from the Great Awakening, and our war of independence, who, who were preaching about those very passages of Scripture, and they clearly say, as Paul does that, if a government does the opposite of what Paul says, and they punish the doers of good and reward the doers of evil. Well, that's the opposite of the kind of government Paul's talking about. So, in a republic, like ours, all lived under a dictatorship. We live in a republic, where the people or the government see people have got to understand that the government is not in Washington, DC. The government is not in their state capitol, the government is in their house. They are the government. That's what a Republic is. So if a government does the opposite of what Paul says it's supposed to do, it's not a minister of God. Do we honestly believe that Hitler was a minister of God, or that these godless democrats who actually took God out of their platform and want to murder preborn babies, even after they're born? They want to lay them on a table and let the mother and the doctor decide what to do with it. You it's much you know, a botched abortion. 14:03 Nancy, they just passed yesterday, I think it was thirsty. HR. Oh, my gosh, I forgot it. They just passed a bill that is called the women's health. And if you go in there and you read, and I did I went through and read some passages of their how they define what a woman is, and that it's just insane. It's insane what they're saying. Yes and No, right. You had you had one democrat that voted against it 14:34 in that sad Democrat. So that's why I say that Christians shouldn't even call themselves Democrat. I don't believe you can be a democrat and be a Christian. I don't either. And it's not because I'm dyed in the wool Republican, because I'm just as mad at the republicans as I am the democrats just for different reasons. I'm mad at the republicans because they don't stand for what they say they believe because our platform the republican party platform is great, but these turkeys won't stand for it. And then Senator They won't fight. They just they're just too much. Now all they care about their own careers, but when you look, see democrats for years have been hiding behind this mother's health thing. And the average American reads that and they say, Well, sure, we, we want to be able for a woman who's pregnant that has like, for instance, an ectopic pregnancy where the mother is going to die, because the baby is forming in the fallopian tube. Sure, the doctors have got to take care of that. That's what they think when it says mother's health, no, but but the democrats what they mean by mother's health is, if the mother is distraught, if the mother is worried if the mother is anxious, that they call that the mother's health, well, of course, a woman pregnant outside of wedlock is anxious and distraught, they've sinned, I wonder they're going to do what murdered their baby. They hide behind these terms. And until Americans wake up, and start to smell the coffee, As the old saying goes and realize that we're just flat out being lied to typically by both sides, but certainly by the left. They don't mean that their words don't mean what we think they mean, they've taken these terms, and they've redefined them. When they talk about paying your fair share, you know, when they talk about taxes, what they're talking about is theft. Yeah, what they're talking about is, you shouldn't make over a certain amount of money. And if you are wealthy by their definition, then you want to be able to confiscate it. The problem is, Gary, that's that, and that, that sin, and I've never been hired by a poor man. 16:41 I've said that so many times, I said that I said, Everybody I've worked for has always got more money than I do. They might go businesses, right? Is it because I'm self employed? And I've like, I've never worked for a poor person. And, you know, I've hired poor people. Yeah. But I've never worked for a poor person. No, in the mentality of what they say with that. It's just it's bizarre. 17:03 But isn't it funny, but isn't it funny that even though those democrats are themselves wealthy, that that law doesn't apply to them, because they're able to shelter their money and hide it, and steal it from taxpayers. So like, Nancy Pelosi is against you owning a gun, but she has hired guns surrounding her. She's against building a wall on the southern border, but she has a wall all the way around her property. 17:28 So Is that wrong? Yeah. Is that wrong for the church to stand up and say, Well, I see you as you're making laws, and you're the government, you're the government officials. Why is it that wrong for churches to stand up and, and speak that out and say that in the pulpit wrong, 17:47 Gary, it's wrong if they don't, yeah, Jane says in James 417. If you know to do good, and you don't do it, you've sinned. In a republic, citizens are the masters, but if they don't do their job, tyrants are more than happy to step in and do it for him. So when Jesus says render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's in America, Caesar is the people. So if you're going to obey Jesus command to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's you've got to be engaged in government at the citizen level, because that's what a Republic is. So your face obeying the commands of the Lord. 18:23 Wow, I'll say that again. I've never heard that that that because when you think of Caesar, you think of Oh, the bad guy. You know, because we're a republic. We are Caesar, we 18:33 are Caesar. So when Jesus says render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's if he was speaking in America today, then he's saying, citizen, do your job, because in America, since we have a republic of by and for the people, then we are Caesar. So the Christian that doesn't do their job is disobeying the command of Jesus to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's. So we're sending the Christian that doesn't vote in America, the Christian that doesn't speak out on these issues, the preacher that doesn't bring the biblical perspective on an institution that is of God and is found all throughout Scripture. I mean, I've challenged people show me an Old Testament hero that wasn't involved in government at some level. Show me one. 19:22 Didn't Jesus deal with the government half his life anyway? I mean, it wasn't. Of course he did. He was constantly failing when 19:28 he even refused to submit to these Sabbath laws because they were they were unbiblical. Even though the Sabbath laws were as binding as the other Roman laws. Jesus didn't submit to all the laws. He didn't submit to those that were improper. He refused to do it. So he wasn't a rebel. He's the Lord. He's sinless. But show me one Old Testament hero that wasn't involved in government. You can't find one. I mean, Esther. Abraham, Abraham fought a war to To go free lot, I was Moses, Joshua, and they go through the list Daniel hit, you can't hardly find any. Because the job of the Christian is to be engaged and be salt and light in the culture. And governance is a key ingredient of the culture. It's not all that there is in the culture. And I'm not suggesting that all of the answers are found in government. But I am telling you, that government is 1/3 of what God instituted so that we could live civilly on this planet. And if you don't address that, 1/3 that 1/3 goes to hell. I mean, literally hell in a handbasket. And if it's government, think of the damage that it does. If it's the home if we don't address the home, and it goes to hell in a handbasket. What happens in America? well over half of the minorities in America, over half of their pregnancies are from unwed mothers, we can see what's happening in America, look at the divorce rate. Okay, so if you don't address the church, from a biblical perspective, what happens to the church, it goes to hell in a handbasket. What's happened to the church in America. So what preachers are doing these days and they've been doing it for two or three decades, they preach Christian psychology, what they're basically preaching is self help gospel, about how you can be a better you how you can have your best life now, how you can have five steps to success, three steps to this four ways to do that. And yeah, the Bible does teach how we can be a better us. But what the Bible really teaches is how we're to be holy instead of happy, and how holy people stand up against evil. And what's happening in America right now is evil. It is wicked. Nancy Pelosi is one of the most wicked women to ever be in governance in America. And I would say that if she was a Republican, I don't care that she's a Democrat. In the end. She's one of the most wicked individuals, Chuck Schumer, same way. Joe Biden has been wicked. All of his political life is just that now he's kind of mentally diminished and people kind of feel sorry for him. Go back and listen or read, listen to or read the things that Joe Biden used to say back when he was mentally, all together. He's a wicked person. Kamala Harris is so bad. She was the first one to drop out of the Democratic primary. She's a wicked individual, these people are wicked Bill Clinton is a wicked, immoral whoremonger according to Scripture. You know, Hillary Clinton is a turncoat liar. I mean, according to Scripture, I'm not saying that I'm attacking them personally. Jesus can save them but the Bible calls liars people that are going to be in the lake of fire. 22:51 So we need sorry that I'm so No, no, there's nothing to be sorry for because that's hail and brimstone. And we haven't heard that and 50 years, you know, well, 23:01 you know, you read in the book of Revelation it says, all liars will have their partner like a fire. Well, that's liars. That's Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. They're liars. You know, all of those who practice sexual immorality. So you go to First Corinthians six, when Paul lists the people aren't going to be in heaven. He lists drunks, thieves, liars. Now, yeah, he lists the sexually immoral, he lists them right along in the sexually aberrant. But he but if you look at the list closely, you'll find yourself on it. I found myself on the list. That's why I need Jesus. But these people that walk around claiming to be Christians, and on their way to heaven and their habitual liars, or their adulterers are adulterous is whether homosexual or lesbian Scripture says they're not going to be in heaven. 23:42 Did you watch it the way that leads to life is narrow. Did you hear the the new governor of New York or is it whoever took grief? Yes. And he starts talking about God, God brought, you know, God's saving us with this vaccine and God, this and God that like, Okay, I need to find out what church she goes to, because what she's spouting is so demonic. 24:08 Well, Gary, what she's done is she's created a god in her own image. That's what the Romans one talks about. Romans one talks about a fallen culture that redefines God in human terms. That's exactly what they do. They're talking about God, all right, but it didn't the God of the Bible. And if it is the god listed in the Bible, it's his name is Satan. These people are ministers of Satan is what they are. 24:32 Yeah, no, no. You're getting me riled up, because that's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear in the pulpit. That's where we're at. That is 24:42 Fairview come to Fairview Baptist Church. And you'll hear it every Sunday. All the people can come to one of the churches that are going to have me do the black robe and they'll hear this stuff. 24:54 Yeah, any any pastor this, listen to this, I encourage you to reach out to him and let's talk We'll talk about your, your, your boot camp. But yeah, reach out to reach out to Dan, we'll have all the show notes and stuff, but to, to get educated to learn about this to, to sit down, have a meal and pray with, with Dan and to just really start looking at where our country is and what the passion of this, this black road regimen is, and, and just getting educated on history and and listen to what God's saying, but I just encourage anybody, you know, at this point right now to do that, as well as to the reach Look at his website. But talk to us about your boot camp, which, you know, what's the solution? I mean, we could probably I know I can go on for hours talking about planning and just getting riled up. Sure, you know, Holy Spirit, we got to pray to the Holy Spirit in our secret place. We've got to, you know, trust in Him, because, really, there's a question. Yes. And it's like, well, who can we trust him? We don't trust I don't trust anybody anymore. I used to, you know, you have some faith and faith and law and faith in the medical field. Well, that's out the window. Yeah, the land trust that. So we've always trust. If you're Christian, you always trust in Jesus and God, the Holy Spirit. But we're at a point where it's becoming real. It's not just something we read. It's real. It affects us deeply. So right solution. What's your solution for pastors? And how do 26:30 I believe there are two solutions, one of them is still far more controversial than the other. We can talk about it if you want to politically but spiritually, I believe the solution is pastors have got to reengage, we have got to have a modern version of the black robe regiment. And remember, again, that that black robe title was given by the British not as a compliment, but but as condemnation. When they captured these preachers out on the battlefield. I don't know if you know it, but they they execute most of them. Even while they're trying to surrender. I tell the story in my presentation of a preacher named john Rosberg, they executed him on the battlefield, he's trying to surrender to them. But we've got to have a new, we've got to have the spirit of the black robe regiment today. preachers have got to begin to engage, they've got to preach the whole counsel of God, not just the parts that they know people want to hear. They've got to preach the tough parts, too. And that's hard for me to do. Because it cuts me just like it cuts everybody else, the Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than a double edged sword, the book of Hebrews says, so it's going to cut us when we preach it. But that's how we become closer to what God wants us to be. But so so my solution is to get pastors to engage. So the guy that I co pastor with, there's two pastors in our church, Paul Blair, and myself, we've been working together for years now we're in the same church together. Because we travel and speak so much. We have started doing what we call a Liberty pastors boot camp, or a Liberty pastors training camp. And by the way, you want to put that website up there to Liberty, pastures calm, okay, they can go to the website and find out where we're going to do the next camp. We're working on scheduling some right now. But what that camp is, is it's a three day boot camp, and I mean boot camp, we begin it by me doing the black robe Regiment, the whole deal. But anyway, we teach pastors, the nuts and bolts, and we asked them to bring their wives with them, and we put them up for three days, they pay a nominal registration fee, and donors pay the overwhelming majority of the whole cost they get in, they get a kind of a three day vacation in a really swanky place with meals and everything. But we teach them the nuts and bolts of what it means to be a black robe, preacher, and how to do that in their churches and why it is so critical. And I would encourage any pastor to come that's listening, or if there's a church member listening, and they want to encourage their pastor to come. There are many guys that were at our last camp. We had about 100 pastors and then their wives. We had men there who the church members sent them, they heard about it, and they put the money together and sent the pastor. So we we train these men, and when they come out of there, they have no excuse. They know how to be a black robe preacher. Now it's time to do it. And they also become part of a network of guys that we've trained. We've trained over 700 preachers around the country, and they become a network. They become a part of a network. And we do continuing education, we'll do webinars and other things that they can take advantage of, to continue their learning and sharpen you know, As iron sharpens iron, we all need to get better and so we do it together. 29:42 Do you have somebody in the Nashville area that you know, necessary? 29:47 We, I don't know if we've had pastors from the Nashville area, the Bible. We'd love to do one in Tennessee. We're working on doing one right now in Missouri. Arkansas. So that's pretty close to you. We just finished one in Houston, Texas, we've done them as far away as Miami, Florida. So yeah, yeah, we're so if you know somebody in your area would be interested in helping to host one, we'd love to come to the center of Tennessee and put on one it'd be, it'd be wonderful. 30:22 Well, I'll see what I can get going on something like that. Okay, great. That's contracting needed. definitely needed. Well, I know we could keep going for hours. But be respectful of your time. But so what's what's a final parting word that you would give to us as we listen to the individual, the individual person in the congregation that hears this that might be stirred, to want to get back a little bit more of learning what they can do, because I get overwhelmed when I think about everything that's going on in this country? And and where do I, you know, where do I start? I've got you know, some people have wife and kids. And of course, I do, too, but they're grown. But yeah, they have families and jobs. And it's like, I just don't have enough time. And then when I do have time, I just want to decompose from the world, because all I hear is the bad stuff going on. And everybody's on Facebook. And and yeah, we're getting canceled in every place we can go. But that's part of the remnant is that the remnant? is what's coming out of this. There's, yeah, there's the masses aren't getting it? 31:29 No, they're not? Well, what I would say to the individual person is that you either go to fight, or you're going to lose it all. Look what's beginning to happen with people who refuse to take the shot, whether or not the shots a good thing is a different argument. But I'm definitely against the government forcing you to take a shot, but what's happening to them, now they're losing their jobs. So not engaging, not engaging, is going to come to all of us. So they neither sit in a house and decompress or go do their hobbies, and stay out of the fight, but the fights coming to them. So it's just a matter of time, I would say to people in the church. First of all, you need to learn this history, not all of it, none of us have mastered it. But learn enough of it that you know what you're talking about. And then make sure that your pastor is engaged in doing this, if he isn't go to him and asking to give him the materials, challenge him. If he won't engage, get out of there, go find a church where the pastor will engage, be a part of a congregation, that's going to make a difference. Now, granted, we want to preach the gospel, and we want people to be saved. But we also want to be salt and light. And you can't separate that you can't just say, we want to get people saved. But then that's the end of it. No, that's the beginning of it. That's not the end of it. And so they've got to be in a church where the pastor is going to engage and stand up against evil. The spiritual war is raging. It's whether or not we're going to be faithful and get involved. And if we're not, we're going to answer to the Lord for that. And in short term, we're going to probably answer here in America because the republic that we knew the republic that the framers founded is gone. Now, it still exists in some states, but it doesn't exist in New York, it doesn't exist in some of these states that have given up and the and they have gone left, and we better just recognize that that's where we are. And these people better engage Time is running out. It's running out. 33:29 Yeah. Now, let me go back to something real quick that you'd said you talked about the boot camp, but then you said there's a political aspect whether I want you want to go into it or not. Yeah, cuz I'm, 33:40 I'd be happy to, I believe that the Republic is gone. Now. I really, I believe the republic could be saved in some states. The union is too large to be governed by one government and we're too different. We are I believe irreconcilably divided. It is time for a political separation. I think the framers if they were to come back today, they would be amazed that we have one government governing over 300 million people. That's not the way it was originally designed. The states were sovereign. And the federal government had very limited responsibilities. The states were the ones that were most in charge today. It's the opposite. So you have one monolithic government in DC that's trying to control everything. Well, people in Oklahoma are very different from people in Massachusetts. You can't pass the same laws that people of Massachusetts want to murder preborn babies in Oklahoma. We want to save them. But we're being forced by a federal government that's out of control. So I think it's time for like minded states to stand up and say either you back off, or we're pulling out. I mean, it's just time and I don't mean a war. nobody's talking about shooting at people. You don't have to have a war to politically separate. It's happening. All over the world, Scotland nearly separated from Great Britain A few years ago, Great Britain just pulled out of the EU, Catalonia is working on separating from Spain, that the the right of free association is one of our rights from God. And the original states would have never joined the union if they thought they were stuck and couldn't get out, and would even be forced to go against their own religious beliefs. This is why Texas, for instance, insisted when they joined the union, that they remain a republic and could pull out at any time. This is why it's called the Republic of Texas. And they even put in their ratification papers that they could divide Texas up into as many as five states. That's in their agreement. That's it That's in their agreement. So it's time we can't be, we can live peaceably with people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden, but you can't be under their government, not if you're a conservative, not your Christian, these people are Marxists. And to sit here and worship some nostalgic America that used to exist and go down with them, like going down with the Titanic is not only insane, it's a sin. It's a dereliction of duty. Thomas Jefferson even said in the Declaration of Independence, that when government ceases to do its primary function, the citizens have three steps that they can take, I call it DEF CON, three, two and one. They can either alter it, abolish it, or throw it off. But they not only have the right he says in the declaration to do that they have the duty to do that. We're there. I believe we're at DEF CON one. 36:41 Yeah. And you think about what, when you said that I was thinking about Okay, we had the Puritans or separatists. This effort is that what the pilgrims were that's where we're, that's where we're at. We're at the separatist place, getting away from England, get away and in America is at the same place to get away from this government that's in charge. That's exactly right. Yeah, exactly. And there, but there's nowhere to go. Yeah, well, you don't, there's not another country, we 37:11 don't have to go you pull out, you create a different government. If Jefferson was not saying did you have to go to some deserted island, he was saying you pull up the Declaration of Independence was a secession document, they were seceding from Great Britain, we celebrate it. It's what it was, they were breaking. In fact, he says when it becomes necessary to, to break the political bonds that have tied two peoples together, when it becomes necessary to do that. Sometimes that becomes necessary. And I believe we need to try to save the republic in as many states as we can. And I think there's about 25 or 26 states that would do it. It's time to do it. If we don't do it pretty soon, Gary, they're going to have is painted into a corner, it's going to be checkmate. And we're done. 37:57 Right. And if we're not standing up at this hour, then years down the road, when we have grandkids, they're gonna be wondering, what what were you doing doing during what were you 38:08 doing? Well, most of us won't because would be dead? Yeah. Like, they'll excuse? 38:13 Yeah. And the older I get the more I think, Well, you know, it's, it's not my problem, you know, but you bet it's your problem. It's definitely my problem. And you may have got to do that. And I think the calls are problem. Yeah, the call that you're putting out there for, for educating pastors and helping them along, and just waking up the church and waking up the people to understand where we really are. And I think looking back at our history is so, so important, you know, because we are repeating the history, and we are maybe too late. And only through and only through God can will we know in a few years, but we've got to do something 38:54 well, even even if it's too late, we got to go down swing and Gary. And again, when I use these terms, I'm not talking about shooting at people. I'm talking about fighting the good fight, the spiritual fight the political fight, that's what I'm talking about. 39:06 And it's important not to be compartmentalizes, what we'll get is was people will say, well, you need to share the gun. It's all about sharing the gospel. The world's coming to an end. Anyway, we know that the end of the story, so we just need to get the gospel spread. Well, that's true, but we still that's building the wall. Yeah, we still need to fight, right? 39:27 Here's what I say. I say if somebody believes that preach the freedom to preach the gospel as the most important thing, then surely the second most important thing is fighting for the right, the freedom to preach the gospel. If preaching the gospel is the most important thing, then the freedom to preach the gospel is the second 39:44 most important thing, and I encourage everybody to wake up, pay attention to what's going on around us. Pay attention to what's happening in Australia. Pay attention to what's happening in Canada. Pay attention what happened in Louisiana, with the pastor down there. What was his name spell, Tony. It's happening in our backyards, and we need to realize that we need to just be awake. You're awake. Oh, Dan, this has been Austin. I could talk for hours. Thank you, Gary. You've got a life to live out there. So 40:13 I'll be back again sometime. I'd love to do it. 40:15 Thanks again. It's been a pleasure. And I'll have all your show notes. So your website again, one more time. 40:21 Dan Fisher, b. r r.com. 40:24 And you got two books out there. Yes. 40:27 bringing back the black robe Regiment, and unlimited submission with a question mark. 40:32 I'll get those on the show, my friend. Appreciate it, sir. It's been a pleasure. 40:37 Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit WWW dot remnant revolution.org to join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
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