Narativ Storytalks

“This happened to me. So there's no way I can get it wrong.” In this special episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on what it's really like to step onto a live stage — in two different cities, on the same night — without planning it together.From a Duke City Story Slam in New Mexico to a Moth event in New York City, both hosts independently chose to put themselves in front of a live audience just days before launching their own Leadership Story Talks LIVE event. What followed was a powerful reminder of why we practice what we teach: structure creates safety, breathing creates connection, and showing up matters.This episode explores what presenting live teaches us about leadership, community, and the courage to own your story. You'll Hear:• Why creating guidelines and structure makes live storytelling safer and more powerful• How pushing yourself to show up builds confidence and credibility• The difference between virtual presentation and feeling a room breathe, laugh, and clap in real time• Simple grounding tools before speaking• Why you can't “get it wrong” when you're telling your own lived experience• How community storytelling combats loneliness and creates genuine connection Resources:REGISTER HERE for the next Leadership Story Talks LIVE! Stories That Shaped Us on March 19: If you're preparing for a keynote, a team meeting, a pitch, or simply want to own your story with more confidence — we're here to help.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode of Leadership Story Talks, Jerome and Julienne reflect on a powerful idea shared by executive coach Greg Smith: real growth doesn't come from a single coaching moment—it comes from changing how we listen, lead, and respond to challenges over time.The conversation explores a common tension leaders face: how to sustain the impact of coaching once the “bubble” of one-on-one support disappears and real-world pressures return.You'll hear: - Coaching shouldn't be something you “finish.”Jerome and Julienne unpack the idea that coaching isn't a checkbox or a temporary intervention. For growth to last, leaders and organizations must invest in structures that support continued practice, reflection, and accountability—long after formal coaching ends.- Listening is the foundation of effective storytelling.A recurring theme in the episode is that leaders often feel pressure to perform—to have the right message, the right vision, the right story. But sustainable leadership begins with listening first. When leaders truly hear their teams' experiences, the right stories emerge naturally.- Practice creates confidence—and sustainability.Jerome shares an example of a leader who entered coaching wanting to become a better storyteller, only to realize that listening more deeply was the real shift. Through repeated practice during coaching, that leader built confidence and eventually internalized a new leadership habit that continued long after coaching ended.- From “what's happening to me” to “what do I get to do.”The debrief highlights a mindset shift at the heart of Greg Smith's message: challenges will come regardless. The question is whether leaders meet them from a place of curiosity and agency—or from a sense of victimhood.- Organizations play a role, too.Julienne emphasizes that sustainability isn't solely the responsibility of the individual being coached. Organizations must stay engaged, hold themselves accountable, and create environments where learning is reinforced—not abandoned once a program concludes.Why This Matters:Sustainable leadership isn't about one great story, one inspiring speech, or one coaching engagement. It's about building listening muscles, creating shared accountability, and allowing learning to become part of how leaders show up every day.As Jerome notes, when leadership behaviors truly “get into your bones,” they stop being techniques—and start becoming who you are.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this special Valentine's Day reflection, Jerome and Julienne step away from frameworks and techniques to explore a living example of leadership through presence, listening, and love.Inspired by the journey of Buddhist monks walking from Texas to Washington, DC, the episode invites listeners to reconsider what it means to show up for others—quietly, intentionally, and without agenda. As communities gather along the monks' path, the conversation reflects on listening as an act of love and on the power of collective humanity, especially in times of division and conflict.You'll hear: • Why the monks' journey resonates so deeply right now• Listening as a practice—not a skill, but a way of being• What leadership can look like when presence replaces performance• How Valentine's Day might be reclaimed as a broader expression of kindness and care• The quiet power of collective action grounded in intention rather than spectacle.Resources• Buddhist Monks' Walking Journey (Video)A short video highlighting the monks' walk from Texas to Washington, DC and the communities gathering along the wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkCCGjskeFINarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Jim O'Gorman to explore how formative leadership experiences—both painful and inspiring—shape the way we show up for others at work.Jim opens with a candid story from early in his career: working for a deeply toxic boss and the toll it took on his confidence, health, and sense of self. That experience became a defining catalyst, ultimately guiding him toward a career dedicated to people strategy, trust, and humane leadership.From there, the conversation moves into Jim's time on the Obama campaign, where he witnessed firsthand the power of authentic storytelling—not as persuasion, but as connection. That experience continues to influence how he thinks about leadership, values, and culture today.As Chief People Officer at Included Health, Jim shares how storytelling, vulnerability, and values-based decision-making aren't “nice to haves,” but core leadership competencies—especially when trust, safety, and belonging are on the line. He also offers a thoughtful perspective on remote work, arguing that there is no universal answer—only alignment between values, mission, and how work actually gets done.This episode is a grounded, practical exploration of what it really means to lead with authenticity—and why stories remain one of the most powerful tools leaders have to create trust, navigate complexity, and raise the standard for how people experience work.You'll Hear:Why a “terrible boss” can become a powerful leadership teacherHow authentic storytelling builds trust, safety, and belonging on teamsWhat Jim learned about leadership and connection on the Obama campaignWhy values—not perks—are what truly retain peopleHow Included Health aligns mission, culture, and people strategyA clear-eyed take on remote work, trust, and intentional connectionWhy leaders must go first when it comes to vulnerability and honestyHow storytelling can restore healthier debate and discourse at workResources & LinksConnect with Jim O'Gorman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-o-gorman-0b32278/Learn more about Included Health: https://includedhealth.com/Explore more episodes and resources at: https://narativ.com/podcastNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this Leadership Story Talks debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on what they learned from their very first Leadership Story Talks LIVE.What begins as a conversation about a technical glitch quickly becomes a deeper exploration of trust, vulnerability, leadership, and what it really means to “show up” when things don't go according to plan. A brief moment of on-air chaos—barely two minutes in real time—felt enormous in the moment, yet invisible to much of the audience. That contrast becomes a powerful lesson in perception, presence, and resilience.Rather than stopping the show or striving for perfection, Jerome and Julienne chose to move forward—relying on preparation, partnership, and mutual trust. Listening first, staying human, and allowing imperfection to become part of the story.This moment of vulnerability unexpectedly created safety for the storytellers themselves. When something went “wrong,” it gave everyone else permission to relax, let go of scripts, and trust their own voices.You'll Hear:What "Live" Really Means — Julienne shares the internal experience of being suddenly alone on screen, and how slowing down, grounding herself, and trusting the process made all the difference.Two Minutes That Felt Like Forever — Jerome reflects on how time distorts under stress, and how rewatching the episode revealed how little the audience actually perceived.Trust as a Leadership Decision — A pivotal moment where Jerome chooses not to stop the livestream, but instead trusts Julienne to carry the moment—illustrating what real leadership looks like under pressure.Preparation vs. Perfection — Why deep preparation allows for flexibility, presence, and grace when plans inevitably fall apart.What Imperfection Makes Possible — How the glitch reassured storytellers that they didn't need to be flawless to be powerful—and that being real matters more than being polished.The Power of Not Explaining Everything — A reflection on how a personal story can communicate trust, credibility, and professional identity without spelling it out.“You're Not Alone” — A reminder that while telling a story can feel solitary, the right listening space ensures no one carries it alone.This debrief is a living example of the core belief behind Leadership Story Talks: meaningful connection doesn't come from getting it right—it comes from staying present when things go wrong. When leaders model trust, vulnerability, and responsiveness in real time, they don't lose credibility. They build it.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan introduce a new, recurring format: Leadership Story Talks LIVE! — a bi-monthly, interactive storytelling experience designed to bring listening and telling into the same virtual space.This live gathering centers on short, true stories told by experienced leaders and practitioners, followed by reflection and shared insight. As Jerome and Julienne note, storytelling isn't about performance — it's about presence. And listening is what allows meaning to emerge.The invitation was simple: Tell us a story about an experience that shaped who you are today.What followed were three distinct stories that revealed how leadership is formed not through theory, but through lived experience.Cecilia Loving shares a childhood memory from the day Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated, recalling the reactions of the adults around her — their fear, grief, and silence. Her story offers a glimpse into how historic moments are absorbed at a young age and continue to shape how we understand safety, belonging, and the world around us long after the moment has passed.Lisa Hope Tilstra reflects on losing her husband to a brain tumor more than twenty years ago, and how that experience continues to shape her relationship to time, difficulty, and meaning. Rather than framing loss as something left behind, her story reveals how formative experiences travel with us, quietly influencing how we choose, lead, and live.Charles Bernard tells a story about discovering a capacity within himself that he couldn't yet see — a moment when a creative spark revealed potential that had been hidden from view. His story speaks to how growth often begins before we can name it, and how being invited into creativity can open entirely new ways of seeing what's possible.As Jerome and Julienne reflect with the storytellers, a shared understanding emerges: moments don't end when they're over. Meaning unfolds over time. And leadership is often shaped long before we have language for it.ResourcesCecilia LovingManaging Principal, Loving Factor LLCOrganizational Leadership | Rooted in Culture, Compassion & BelongingAuthor of The Power of Inclusion and Connecting Through CirclesCharles BernardSales Improvement Expert, Keynote Speaker, FounderWebsites: Criteria For Success &  CollaviaLisa Hope TilstraLeadership Coach & Host of the Make Life Less Difficult PodcastNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on a powerful insight sparked by a conversation with Lata Hamilton: sometimes the problem isn't you—it's the environment you're in. Recognize that truth takes courage, honesty, and listening.Lata's story becomes a springboard for a wider conversation about energy, fit, and the quiet signals that tell us when a story we've been living no longer serves us. Jerome and Julienne explore what happens when capable, vibrant people begin to shrink—not because they lack skill or value, but because they're trying to survive in spaces that slowly diminish them.Look for moments of transition: when you sense you are in the middle of a new chapter but can't yet see the end. Uncertainty often creates fear, hesitation, and self-doubt—especially when the future feels blurry or hard to imagine.Jerome and Julienne emphasize the importance of listening: listening to trusted guides, to one's own internal signals, and to the stories emerging beneath the noise of fear, judgment, and expectation. From that listening, new possibilities begin to take shape.You'll Hear:- Is It You—or the Environment? — Julienne reflects on how often talented people internalize struggle, rather than questioning whether the system around them is draining their energy.- Energy as a Signal — A discussion about noticing what gives you energy and what takes it away—and why that awareness is often the first clue that change is needed.- Being in the Middle of the Story — Jerome explores why moments of transition feel so destabilizing, and how not being able to “see the future” keeps people stuck.- Telling the Future as If It's Already Happened — A practical storytelling insight into how imagining and articulating a desired future can help people regain clarity and agency.- Beyond Skills and Résumés — Julienne shares why foundational story work—values, purpose, and core gifts—matters more than listing credentials, especially during career pivots.- Listening as the Work — Jerome emphasizes creating space to vent, name fears, and surface internal obstacles—so deeper, more honest stories can emerge.- Changing My World, Not the Whole World — A grounding reminder that meaningful impact often begins with what we can shape, control, and influence right now.Here's a reminder that growth doesn't always come from pushing harder—it often comes from listening more deeply. When people are supported in hearing themselves clearly, they don't just find their next move—they reconnect with the story that gives them energy, purpose, and direction.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan are joined by leadership coach and advisor Brad Farris, who works with creative service firm founders whose businesses have outgrown the way they're leading.Brad shares a defining leadership experience from early in his career—stepping into a general manager role and realizing that “acting like a leader” often means pretending to have answers you don't yet have.  You'll Hear:- The Cost of “Faking It” — Brad reflects on how early leadership roles can condition leaders to perform certainty, and how that pattern quietly reinforces impostor syndrome and isolation. - From Expert to Coach — Years of consulting taught Brad that leadership isn't about asking better questions and standing on the side of possibility. - When Being “Nice” Gets in the Way — A powerful story about a founder who equated kindness with avoiding hard conversations—and how clarity, not comfort, ultimately created trust and success. - The Growth Ceiling Around $1–2M — Why many founder-led firms stall when control, hustle, and identity collide—and what it really takes to move from doing the work to leading the system. - Delegation vs. Abdication — How letting go without redefining your role sets teams up to fail—and keeps leaders stuck in a heroic rescue loop. - Identity as the Hidden Constraint — Jerome and Brad explore how leaders' attachment to who they've been can block who they need to become next. - Values as Decision-Making Infrastructure — Why clearly articulated values allow leaders to step back without losing quality, culture, or trust. - The Engineer's Mindset — Brad explains how engineering training—breaking systems down, depersonalizing failure, and diagnosing what's working—can be a powerful leadership advantage. - Self-Leadership Comes First — Brad closes with a reflection on leading yourself before leading others, and offers a free self-leadership assessment to help leaders identify where growth is needed. Resources & Contact Information ~ Brad FarrisLeadership Coach & Advisor for Founder-Led BusinessesWebsiteYouTubeLinkedInAdditional Resource Self-Leadership Assessment: Available via Brad's website (free, no email required)Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this end-of-year special episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan pause to reflect on the year behind them—and the deeper themes that have emerged through hundreds of conversations, stories, and moments of listening.Rather than focusing on achievements or milestones, the conversation centers on something more enduring: connection, community, and curiosity. As the calendar turns toward 2026, Jerome and Julienne offer a thoughtful reminder that storytelling isn't just about being heard—it's about taking the time to truly listen.You'll Hear:How Much We Have in Common — Julienne reflects on how every podcast conversation reveals shared experiences and lessons, often hidden until someone takes the time to listen for context. Community as an Antidote to Isolation — Jerome speaks to the growing sense of loneliness and division many people are experiencing, and why reaching out—to friends, family, or people you haven't spoken to in a while—matters more than ever. Listening as a Leadership Practice — Both hosts emphasize the simple but powerful act of listening without rushing to respond, and how dialogue—not monologue—is where connection lives. The Ripple Effect of Words — Julienne shares a reminder that the impact of listening and kindness often isn't visible in the moment, but can quietly become the most meaningful part of someone's day. Being Seen, Heard, and Respected — A reflection on why these basic human needs are among the greatest gifts we can offer one another, especially during moments of transition and uncertainty. Curiosity as a Way of Life — Jerome looks back on the wide range of guests featured this year—from sports to law and beyond—and how curiosity and openness have led to unexpected discoveries. What's Ahead in 2026 — A glimpse into the future of Leadership Story Talks, including upcoming community-focused storytelling events and new ways for listeners to engage with one another. This episode is both a holiday message and an invitation: to slow down, to listen more deeply, and to stay curious about the people around you. As Jerome and Julienne remind us, you don't need a podcast to build connection—just a willingness to reach out and be present.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode of Leadership Story Talks, Jerome and Julienne reflect on a striking insight from Gabrielle Dolan, author of Story Intelligence: when people compared AI-generated stories with human ones, they consistently found the AI stories technically strong—but noticeably lacking something essential. What was missing wasn't structure or clarity, but the feeling that the story was real.That observation becomes the foundation for a deeper conversation about authenticity, instinct, and why human presence still matters—even as AI becomes more capable and more accessible.Jerome and Julienne explore how audiences intuitively sense when a story is disconnected from lived experience, and why that subtle gap often determines whether a message lands or falls flat.You'll Hear:Why We Instinctively Sense What's Missing — Julienne reflects on our deeply human ability to detect when something lacks real emotional presence, and how that instinct shapes trust and connection.The Risk of Letting Tools Speak for You — Jerome explains why outsourcing your story—whether to AI, slides, or templates—can result in something accurate but incomplete, where your true voice never fully shows up.From Death by PowerPoint to Déjà Vu by AI — A timely comparison between early excitement around presentation tools and today's enthusiasm for AI, and how over-reliance can quietly erase the human thread.AI as Support, Not Substitute — Building on Gabrielle Dolan's perspective, the hosts emphasize using AI as a collaborator or sounding board—not the storyteller itself.Where Authenticity Lives in the Body — Julienne shares a vivid leadership observation: how people physically change when they speak from something that truly matters to them—and why that energy can't be manufactured.Why Even Polished Messages Can Fall Flat — Jerome reflects on why rehearsal and preparation aren't enough if personal experience is missing, and how small moments of lived truth make ideas memorable.This debrief is a reminder that while storytelling tools evolve, the core of storytelling does not. Audiences don't connect to perfection—they connect to presence. And no matter how advanced the technology, the story still needs a human at the center.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this special edition of Leadership Story Talks, Jerome and Julienne look back on their experience presenting at the international Storytelling Symposium organized by Dr. Anja Timmermann—a gathering of scientists, researchers, and practitioners exploring the role of narrative in making complex work more human and accessible. What begins as a simple recap unfolds into a rich reflection on risk-taking, preparation, authenticity, and the challenge of storytelling in virtual spaces—especially when you cannot see the audience at all. Julienne shares the vulnerability of telling a deeply personal childhood story to a global, largely unseen crowd, and the surprising lessons that emerged from stepping into the “void” of Zoom with nothing but her voice, intentions, and commitment to authenticity. Jerome and Julienne explore how simple, relatable stories can bridge cultural and disciplinary divides, how to prepare for moments you can't fully control, and why trusting your instincts matters more than perfecting a script.You'll Hear:Bravery in the Blind Spot — What it takes to tell a personal story without audience cues, facial reactions, or feedback—and why doing it anyway builds confidence and connection. Simplicity as a Bridge — How everyday stories—neighbors, childhood moments, familiar characters—create common ground across cultures, professions, and languages. Practice Without Performing — The value of rehearsing for flow, not perfection, and testing your story with a trusted listener before going live. Expect the Unexpected — A surprise microphone failure during the recording becomes a real-time lesson in adaptability, honesty, and embracing imperfection. Why Stories Make Moments Memorable — Jerome reflects on why personal narrative transforms panels from forgettable to meaningful—and why leaders should always take the leap when a story fits the moment. This episode is both a behind-the-scenes look at a global storytelling event and a reminder of what authentic communication requires: courage, presence, simplicity, and a willingness to connect—even when you can't see who's listening.Resources: ~Storytelling Symposium Website & Video Library:Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Greg Smith—General Manager of FranklinCovey's Executive Coaching practice and a leader with more than 25 years of experience developing executives across global organizations. Greg has supported leaders at Walmart, Deloitte, Starbucks, FedEx, Disney, and today his practice delivers an extraordinary 97% coaching success rate.Greg shares a moment early in his career: a CEO's deceptively simple piece of advice—“If you want to fly like the eagles, hang out with the eagles.”  What made it powerful wasn't the phrase itself, but who said it and the way it awakened Greg's belief in aligning himself with excellence. That shift in mindset still shapes how he approaches leadership development today.Greg breaks down why executive coaching is no longer a perk but a strategic imperative— defined by rapid change, restructuring, and rising complexity. He walks through FranklinCovey's four-phase coaching methodology, shares an example of a leader whose newfound courage saved the company $20 million in one meeting, and why human connection, empathy, and trust remain irreplaceable even as AI becomes more deeply integrated into leadership work.You'll Hear:“Fly With the Eagles” – One comment from a founder shifted Greg's trajectory by redefining what—and who—he aligned himself with.Coaching as a Strategic Lever – Why organizations facing disruption increasingly rely on coaching to accelerate capability and navigate complexity.The 4-Phase Methodology – Alignment, data-driven insight, focused coaching, and sustainable transition.Courage in Practice – How a single leadership intervention, rooted in new skills, averted a multimillion-dollar loss.Human Leadership in an AI Era – Why the future belongs to leaders who cultivate empathy, curiosity, trust, and adaptability.Preparing for What's Next – How CEOs, COOs, CHROs, and talent teams can rethink development to meet tomorrow's challenges.Greg's insights offer a clear, actionable roadmap for strengthening leadership in times of uncertainty—and for keeping humanity at the center of growth.ResourcesCoaching | FranklinCoveyLinkedIn — Greg SmithForbes Coaches Council — Greg SmithNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on their conversation with Dr. Anja Timmerman—an exchange that reminded them how a single, small human moment can reshape how we see a place, a culture, or a community. Anja's story about arriving in New York for the first time becomes a doorway into her passion for community-building and the global storytelling symposium she now leads.What starts as a reflection on kindness from strangers becomes an exploration of how personal stories disrupt stereotypes, soften assumptions, and open the door to deeper understanding between people who might never otherwise connect.Jerome and Julienne also tie this conversation back to the foundation of Narativ's method: the more specific and precise the story, the more power it has to challenge generalizations and bring people closer together.You'll Hear:– Small Moments, Big Impact – How one brief, unexpected act of kindness can transform someone's sense of belonging in a new place.– Stories Break Stereotypes – Why sharing concrete, local stories helps dismantle limiting narratives about cities, cultures, and the people who live in them.– Specificity Over Generalization – How naming this person, this gesture, and this moment invites empathy and keeps assumptions at bay.– Experience as Offering – A gentler way to share perspectives: “This is how I experienced this person,” rather than “People from here are like this.”– Your Story as Connection – An invitation to listeners to learn how to tell their own stories with precision, clarity, and intention—especially when advocating for what matters.Let this debrief inspire you to notice the local moments, tell the small stories, and use them to build bridges where stereotypes once stood.LISTEN to Anja's full Leadership Story Talks episode HERENarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Lata Hamilton—change leadership expert, confidence mentor, and author of Pioneer Your Career Change. After tripling her salary in just three years and helping organizations lead transformations affecting more than 100,000 people, Lata has made it her mission to empower women to carve their own career paths with courage, clarity, and authenticity.Lata shares the surprising corridor conversation that launched her into change management—a moment that felt small to someone else but reshaped her entire career. She also revisits an early piece of feedback that she was “too authentic,” and the years-long journey of shrinking, questioning, and ultimately redefining what authenticity means in leadership.You'll Hear:When One Comment Changes Everything – How a casual suggestion opened the door to Lata's ideal career lata-julienne-jerome (1)“Too Authentic”? – How early career feedback dimmed her confidence—and what it took to reclaim it lata-julienne-jerome (1)Leading Change with Humanity – Why resistance is rarely the real issue, and how to uncover the beliefs and fears underneath itBridging the Change Gap – How involving people early in designing new roles, capabilities, and ways of working reduces burnout and builds trustYour Career as a Launch Pad – Why rethinking loyalty and embracing possibility can unlock an entirely new futureThis conversation offers a refreshingly human, practical roadmap for stepping into your power—without shrinking, apologizing, or compromising who you are.Download: Underpaid & Overlooked Coaching Action GuideDownload: Creative Launch Ideas GuideBook: Pioneer Your Career ChangeWebsite & ProgramsSocialsLinkedInInstagram — @latahamilton Insight TimerFacebookYouTube Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on their conversation with Dr. LaNysha Adams and her powerful reminder that identity isn't fixed—it's chosen. Drawing on her insights, they explore why “bringing your whole self to work” isn't about dragging every version of yourself into every room, but about being intentional, adaptable, and honest about who you need to be right now.What begins as a discussion about roles—parent, leader, teammate, creator—quickly becomes a broader reflection on navigating uncertainty, evolving past outdated labels, and telling the story that actually serves you in this moment of change.Jerome and Julienne connect these ideas to the heart of Narativ's work: asking “What's the story that needs to be told now?” and supporting people as they uncover it, reshape it, or bravely speak it out loud for the first time.You'll Hear:– Identity Is Dynamic – Why the labels you've carried—professionally or personally—don't define who you are today or who you can become.– Choosing Who You Are Now – How to adapt your sense of self in moments of transition without losing sight of your strengths, talents, or core values.– The Story You Tell Today – A reminder to re-evaluate whether the story you've been telling still fits, or if a new one is ready to emerge.– From Overwhelm to Agency – How storytelling becomes a grounding practice during turbulent times, helping you reclaim clarity, confidence, and direction.– Self-Appreciation as Wellness – Why reflecting on your own experiences—like stepping back in an art gallery—can restore perspective and resilience during change.Let this debrief be a nudge to pause and ask yourself: Who am I now, and what story do I need to tell next?Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Gabrielle Dolan—one of the world's leading authorities on business storytelling, keynote speaker, and author of nine books including her newest release, Story Intelligence: The Craft of Authentic Storytelling Made Smarter with AI.Gabrielle shares the pivotal “sliding door” moment that transformed her career—from a 17-year tenure at National Australia Bank to launching her own storytelling practice long before it became a buzzword. Through humor and insight, she reflects on two decades of helping leaders move from folded arms to open minds when it comes to storytelling—and how AI is reshaping that conversation today.In Story Intelligence, Gabrielle explores how we can harness AI as a creative collaborator without losing the human heart of storytelling. She shares an experiment comparing AI-generated stories to human ones, revealing that while AI delivers clarity, it lacks authenticity—the emotional resonance that connects people.You'll Hear:The Power of Rejection – How a missed promotion became the spark that launched a global storytelling careerFrom Trend to Transformation – What's changed in 20 years of helping leaders tell stories that stickWhen AI “Almost” Gets It Right – What Gabrielle learned from testing human vs. AI-generated storiesAuthenticity as the X-Factor – Why audiences can sense when a story isn't truly lived or feltStory Intelligence Defined – A new framework for using authentic stories to connect, engage, and inspireWhether you're a leader curious about how to balance technology with truth, or a communicator looking to tell more human stories in a digital age, this conversation reminds us that the future of storytelling isn't artificial—it's deeply, powerfully human.ResourcesWebsite: gabrielledolan.comFree Storytelling Starter Kit: gabrielledolan.com/starterkitBooks: gabrielledolan.com/booksLinkedIn: Gabrielle DolanInstagram: @gabrielledolan.1YouTube: Gabrielle Dolan ConsultingPodcast: KeepingNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

"Be ready to be ready." — Jen MuellerIn this debrief, Jerome and Julienne unpack lessons from Jen Mueller's world of sports broadcasting—where seconds matter and every word counts. They explore how Jen's approach to preparation, precision, and presence applies far beyond the sidelines, offering leaders a model for communicating clearly and engaging others under pressure.What begins as a story about post-game interviews becomes a reflection on what great meetings, coaching moments, and conversations have in common: thoughtful preparation, shared airtime, and genuine listening.You'll Hear:– Preparation Creates Freedom – How doing your homework allows you to be more spontaneous and responsive in the moment.– Make Time Your Friend – Why embracing time constraints can foster safety, inclusion, and sharper dialogue.– Curate, Don't Cram – The value of saying only what matters—and leaving space for others to contribute.– Engaging Every Voice – How intentional facilitation helps quieter participants feel seen and heard.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Dr. Anja Timmermann—historian, communication scientist, journalist, and founder of the Storytelling Symposium in Germany. With a background spanning academia, media, and neuroscience, Dr. Timmermann brings a rich, evidence-based perspective to how humans share knowledge, build connection, and lead through story.She begins with a vivid moment of culture shock—standing in a Manhattan bus line, a stranger in a city of millions—only to be folded into community by a handful of New Yorkers offering quarters for her fare. That small act of generosity became a lifelong metaphor: storytelling as the bridge between isolation and belonging.You'll Hear:Belonging Through Story – How a simple New York bus encounter revealed storytelling's power to create instant community.From Facts to Connection – Why storytelling doesn't distort data—it contextualizes it, allowing truth to be felt as well as known.Building the Storytelling Symposium – A global gathering where researchers, educators, and practitioners bring narrative competence into serious professional practice.The START Framework – Anja's adaptation of the STAR model (Situation, Task, Action, Result + Transfer) to help experts translate complexity into clarity.Working with Scientists – How she helps data-driven minds see that story is not a compromise of accuracy, but an expansion of understanding.Listen Before You Tell – Why the most powerful storytellers are also great listeners—because connection starts with curiosity.ResourcesDr. Anja Timmermann on LinkedInStorytelling Symposium: Find out more and register for the 2025 edition!The storytelling-symposium.de WebsiteLinkedInInstagramYoutubeSymposium on LinkedInSymposium on YoutubeNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

"When AI is mimicking as opposed to truly reflecting a culture, things become dull… it's been flattened out." — James FrancisIn this debrief, Jerome and Julienne unpack James Francis's reflection on artificial intelligence and culture—and draw striking parallels to storytelling itself.When we rely on a single story, or a single perspective, we flatten complexity. But when we listen for nuance, explore multiple angles, and share stories across differences, we begin to reflect the true richness of human experience.You'll Hear:– Beyond the One Story – Why telling more than one story about yourself or your organization builds trust and dimension.– Curiosity as a Cultural Practice – How visiting new environments and listening to unfamiliar voices keeps our communication muscles strong.– Technology vs. Humanity – Why AI can't replace the simple power of conversation and genuine connection.– Reflection Over Replication – How both leaders and technologists can aim to mirror culture, not mimic it.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Dr. LaNysha Adams—TEDx speaker, ten-time award-winning author of Me Power, and Director of Student Wellness at Santa Fe Community College.Dr. Adams shares a profoundly personal story of surviving sudden cardiac arrest during the COVID-19 pandemic—an experience that reshaped her relationship to time, gratitude, and purpose. From that moment emerged a new mission: to help others reclaim their agency and rediscover who they are beyond the labels that define them.Through her Me Power framework and the concept of radical self-interrogation, LaNysha invites us to question the roles, titles, and identities we cling to—and to remember that the constant in every life transition is us.You'll Hear:Survival & Clarity – How a near-death experience revealed the urgency of living with intentionBeyond Labels – Why over-identifying with roles can leave us lost when life changesRadical Self-Interrogation – How asking “why do I believe what I believe?” can uncover authenticity and healingThe Me Power Framework – Five pillars that help individuals identify strengths, remove barriers, and take action even when unsureFrom Confusion to Clarity – How one client used the Me Power process to leave a grind of multiple jobs and build a fulfilling new careerWhether you're navigating change, seeking purpose, or supporting others through transition, this conversation is a moving reminder that power doesn't come from titles—it comes from the choices we make about who we are and how we show up.ResourcesSocial links:https://bio.link/edlinghttps://www.linkedin.com/in/lanysha/Free audiobook for audience: https://bit.ly/mepower4meTEDx: How to radically question your labels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi0ggI6BU0INarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

"There was a beginning and an end… and all the contributing factors that made it actionable."In this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on Andy Goram's story of receiving tough but transformative feedback. What could have been a demoralizing moment instead became a catalyst for growth—showing how honesty, kindness, and specificity can turn feedback into fuel.They connect Andy's lesson to the heart of storytelling itself: when you focus on what happened—not just feelings or conclusions—you create clarity, accountability, and the chance for true dialogue.You'll Hear:– Feedback as Storytelling – Why recounting events as they happened creates empathy and opens space for understanding.– Kindness vs. Comfort – How being specific and honest is more supportive than softening the truth.– Beyond One-and-Done – Why feedback is a process, not a single conversation.– A Two-Way Street – How receiving feedback with openness is just as vital as giving it.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Jen Mueller—business communication expert, Emmy Award-winning broadcaster, and founder of Talk Sporty to Me. With over 25 years on the sidelines of the NFL, MLB, and beyond, Jen translates lessons from high-pressure sports environments into practical strategies for business leaders.Drawing on early experiences where she was told to stay quiet in locker rooms, Jen shares how she built her voice, why clarity beats volume, and how leaders can empower every member of a team to contribute. Her approach demonstrates that preparation, specificity, and consistency transform everyday conversations into moments of influence and trust.Through her consulting, keynote speaking, and media work, Jen equips leaders to define success clearly, avoid the traps of ambiguity, and “stack wins” by focusing on small, consistent improvements.You'll Hear:Seconds, Not Minutes – Why communication impact is measured in 15–20 seconds of clarity, not long speeches.Defining Failure to Enable Success – How setting clear parameters creates accountability and builds trust.Empowering Every Voice – Practical ways leaders can draw contributions from quieter team members.Stacking Wins – Why small adjustments and consistent feedback drive motivation and long-term performance.Leadership Through Precision – How preparation and authenticity make communication more effective than spontaneity.Whether you're leading in the boardroom or the locker room, Jen's insights offer actionable tools to sharpen your communication and elevate your team.ResourcesWebsite: TalkSportyToMe.comEmail: jen@talksportytome.comInstagram: @TalkSportyToMeYouTube: TalkSportyToMeLinkedIn: Jen MuellerNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

“We see so often the Peter Principle play out… What we really need in today's world are unblockers of work.” — Liz GulliverIn this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on Liz Gulliver's insight that many managers are promoted for technical expertise but left unsupported in learning how to lead people. The result? Micromanagement, lost trust, and teams held back instead of propelled forward.They explore how shifting from “directors of work” to “unblockers of work” can transform leadership today—by creating psychological safety, encouraging authentic conversations, and modeling humanity through shared stories.You'll Hear:– From Micromanagers to Unblockers – Why leadership isn't about correcting every formula or cell, but asking “What's holding you back?”– Learning by Observation – How watching leaders model authenticity, vulnerability, and risk-taking is more powerful than any handbook.– The Role of Storytelling – Why sharing personal challenges and lessons builds trust and motivates teams beyond metrics and KPIs.– Supporting New Leaders – How HR, peers, and mentors can help those promoted from technical roles navigate the shift to people leadership.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with James Francis—investor, technologist, and founder of Paradigm Asset Management and Sol.ai—about his groundbreaking framework, Artificial Integrity. With decades of experience managing billions through data-driven systems, James now focuses on a question that impacts us all: How do we build AI that elevates humanity rather than flattens it?Drawing from his own upbringing in a “can-do” family culture, James shares how curiosity and bold experimentation shaped his thinking—and why those same qualities are vital as we face the opportunities and risks of AI. He explains why traditional approaches to AI ethics fall short, and how Artificial Integrity calls for embedding empathy, justice, and cultural intelligence into AI systems from the ground up.You'll Hear:Kind vs. Convenient AI – Why a moral compass, not just risk mitigation, must guide how we build technologyThe Loudest Voice Problem – How AI reflects (and magnifies) dominant narratives while silencing marginalized voicesFrom Flattening to Amplifying – Why preserving cultural nuance and language is essential to trust and belongingVoice Is Not Enough – The difference between mimicking communities and truly understanding them through context, memory, and respectLeadership Over Code – Why the future of AI depends less on smarter machines and more on better human leadershipWhether you're a technologist, business leader, or simply curious about the impact of AI on culture and democracy, this conversation challenges you to think beyond efficiency—and toward building systems rooted in empathy and integrity.LINKS ~ Artificial Integrity Instagram: thesole.aiFacebook: SOLE on FacebookX (Twitter): @thesoleaiLinkedIn: SOLE on LinkedInNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

"…I wasn't a good athlete and I was never going to be a good athlete, but what I was good at was trying to be a little bit better next time than I was this time." — George PesanskyIn this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on George Pesansky's story of running uphill—literally and figuratively. What began as a painful failure in cross-country running became the foundation for a leadership style built on persistence, self-awareness, and learning from what does work.They explore how George's insight—focusing not only on mistakes but on consistent successes—can transform how organizations think about leadership, process improvement, and knowledge transfer.You'll Hear:– The Power of Persistence – Why resilience is less about winning and more about showing up, trying again, and modeling accountability.– Learning from Success – How focusing on what worked can be as valuable—if not more—than dissecting what went wrong.– Capturing Institutional Knowledge – Why stories from long-time employees hold the keys to process improvement and continuity.– Reframing “Failure” – How so-called failures can be retold as lessons that shape leadership character and future confidence.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Andy Goram—also known as The Sticky Guy—a culture, leadership, and engagement consultant on a mission to help organizations create workplaces people don't want to leave.Drawing on a pivotal career moment when a manager's blunt but kind feedback changed his trajectory, Andy shares why being kind, not just nice is the foundation for growth, and how leaders can embed culture through real stories and consistent behaviors.Through his consulting work and Sticky From The Inside podcast, Andy shows how organizations can move beyond posters and campaigns to make values real—and how small actions from managers can spark meaningful cultural shifts.You'll Hear:Kindness vs. Niceness – Why telling the truth, even when hard, is the most powerful act of leadershipCulture is Everyone's Job – Why engagement can't be outsourced to HR or a campaignThe Future Story – How crafting and testing an engaging narrative gives people certainty and connectionAvoiding Story Fatigue – Why leaders must invite dialogue so stories don't lose meaning on the way down the org chartMomentum Through Small Moves – How simple, consistent actions—like one manager reshaping meeting culture—can ripple through an organizationWhether you're a CEO rethinking culture or a manager looking to make your “pond” thrive, this conversation offers practical tools and fresh perspectives to make engagement stick.ResourcesAndy Goram on LinkedInThe Bizjuicer websiteMore about Andy, his 7 step method, and Bizjuicer hereSticky From The Inside PodcastApple PodcastSpotifyYouTubeAmazonSticky From The Inside SocialsInstagramXNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

“He failed to even take the most basic action… Instead, the Californian watched, motionless, as Titanic sank into the night.”In this debrief, Jerome and Julienne reflect on Kelly Skwarcan's striking account of leadership failure aboard the SS Californian—a ship that might have saved hundreds of lives after Titanic sank but instead stood by, paralyzed by inaction and then mired in cover-up.This moment of history opens up a conversation about what real leadership requires today: courage, accountability, and the willingness to hear voices from every level of the organization.You'll Hear:- Silence in the Face of Crisis – Why ignoring urgent signals—whether distress rockets or employee concerns—leads to disaster.- Integrity vs. Cover-Up – How owning mistakes can build trust, while hiding them erodes it.- Courage Across the Ranks – The role of “lower-level” voices that speak truth to power, and why leaders must empower them.- Turning Over Stones – How exploring formative experiences—even from childhood—can reveal the roots of our leadership style today.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Liz Gulliver—co-founder of Kunik, a community-driven platform helping companies retain and engage working parents and caregivers. Drawing on her own experience as a working parent in high-pressure corporate environments, Liz has built a business around rethinking how organizations approach flexibility, culture, and belonging.Through candid stories and data-backed insights, Liz challenges leaders to look beyond surface-level benefits and ask deeper questions about what support really means—and why it matters for performance, retention, and diversity.You'll come away with a sharper lens on how care responsibilities intersect with leadership, and practical ways to create a workplace where everyone can thrive.You'll Hear:The Myth of “One-Size-Fits-All” Benefits – Why cookie-cutter policies fail to meet real employee needsBelonging is Performance Infrastructure – How inclusive cultures directly fuel productivity and retentionFrom Perk to Priority – Why supporting caregivers should sit at the heart of your talent strategy, not the edgesLeaders as Culture Shapers – How everyday actions from managers set the tone for inclusionStory as a Bridge – Why sharing lived experiences around caregiving can dissolve stigma and build trustWhether you're a senior leader, HR professional, or someone balancing work and caregiving yourself, this conversation offers insight into designing workplaces for the realities of modern life.Resources: Liz on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-gulliver/Kunik web site: www.getkunik.comNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

“We need to cross your streams. We need to have a full Ghostbusters moment.”In this debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on their conversation with Evante Daniels — unpacking the metaphor of “crossing streams” and what it reveals about silos, purpose, and building cultures that last.They explore why organizations often keep departments, generations, and perspectives separate—and what becomes possible when you bring them together with intention.You'll Hear:Why Silos Aren't the Enemy – Jerome explains that silos exist for a reason—but the problem is when they become walls. Storytelling becomes the bridge.Purpose Breaks Through – When people share why their work matters, others listen differently. Julienne and Jerome share how personal stories humanize strategy and reframe workplace dynamics.What Happens When Streams Cross – A retreat story brings it to life: when research and sales teams shared the personal why behind their work, respect, empathy—and collaboration—followed.A Question for Leaders – Are you creating space for departments to connect through story? Or are you still hoping they'll “just work it out”?As Julienne says: “We have to take a pause and think about who we're mixing up.”Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with George Pesansky—executive coach, performance consultant, and author of the upcoming book Superperformance: 8 Strategies to Reach Full Potential for Yourself, Your Team, and Your Organization (Greenleaf Book Group, Sept. 2025).George shares how his personal story—running uphill, literally—led him to discover that the real key to success isn't talent or perfection, but the drive to improve deliberately. From factory floors to the C-suite, he's seen firsthand how small shifts in mindset, measurement, and leadership can unlock meaningful, repeatable breakthroughs.You'll come away with a fresh perspective on what drives sustainable performance—and how to lead teams that don't just survive, but thrive.You'll Hear:The Prison of Expectations – Why setting marginal goals keeps us small—and how to break freeThe Golden Hour – How to identify and replicate your team's peak performance momentsStop Fixating on Failure – Why most performance reviews miss the mark—and how to learn from what worksEmpathy as Strategy – How spending time in the break room leads to stronger, more resilient teamsPurpose + Practice = Superperformance – Why microlearning, consistency, and community matter more than charismaWhether you lead a nonprofit, a production line, or a leadership team, George's approach invites you to shift your focus—from pressure to purpose, from output to ownership.Resources ~LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/deliberateimprovementFacebook: facebook.com/george.pesanskyX (formerly Twitter): @SuperPerformnzBook: Superperformance: 8 Strategies to Reach Full Potential for Yourself, Your Team, and Your Organization – Greenleaf Book Group (Sept. 2025)Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

"That's the only reason you're in this office.”In this debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on their powerful conversation with Charles Bernard—zeroing in on one pivotal moment: a leader choosing to elevate a quiet voice in the room. That moment not only launched Charles's career in sales—it reshaped his sense of self.In this debrief, our hosts explore what happens when someone sees potential in us before we see it in ourselves—and how leaders can create those moments for others.You'll Hear:The Power of Advocacy – How a single act of recognition transformed Charles's trajectory and instilled lasting confidence.Who Gets to Speak? – Why organizations need to go beyond the same familiar voices to tell their true story—and what's lost when they don't.A Prompt for Leaders – Are you the person elevating new perspectives, or sticking to the usual suspects? What stories are you missing?A Personal Reflection – Jerome shares a moment when someone did the same for him—and how it shaped his ability to speak up and belong.As Julienne puts it: “We need to check our assumptions—what valuable input are we not gathering because we've already written a script about someone?”Learn more and listen to Charles Bernard's full episode HERENarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

What does the Titanic teach us about psychological safety, trust, and moral leadership?In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Kelly Skwarcan—leadership consultant, author, and creator of Leadership in Crisis: The Titanic, Carpathia, and Californian. Through this unique, immersive case study, Kelly unpacks the psychology behind two ships on the night of the Titanic disaster: one that responded heroically, and one that stood still.With a background in personality psychology and a flair for dramatic storytelling, Kelly offers a powerful lens into how individual traits and organizational climate shape performance—especially under pressure. You'll come away with a deeper understanding of what creates (or destroys) psychological safety on a team, and what leaders today can do to build trust that endures.You'll Hear:The Real Story Behind the Titanic Rescue: Why one ship's captain answered the call while another ship's captain went back to sleepWhy Personality Matters – How the HEXACO model and honesty-humility shape team behavior and leadership effectivenessThe Hidden Cost of Silence – How fear of speaking up can sink performance, and how to create a climate where every voice countsTrust Requires Vulnerability – Why we get the trust equation backwards—and how to reverse it for stronger leadershipFrom History to High Performance – How CBMI (Competence, Benevolence, Integrity) builds trust that lastsThis conversation offers rich takeaways grounded in psychological research and real-world resonance.Resources ~Website: kellyskwarcan.comIron & Ice: The Full Tale of the Titanic by Kelly E. Skwarcan – Buy on AmazonInstagram: @kellyskwarcanLinkedInPersonality Assessment: HEXACO.orgContact Kelly: kellyskwarcan@gmail.comAlexandra Boyd's, feature documentary that Jerome mentions is Ship of Dreams: Titanic Movie Diaries. Supporting actors in James Cameron's film read from diaries they wrote on set including Peter White who played 3rd Officer Groves of the Californian. Sadly, his scene was cut from the film.Available to rent/own on Amazon and many other platforms.Trailer: shipofdreamsfilm.comNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their heartfelt conversation with author and keynote speaker Amy Daughters, whose work explores the unexpected power of handwritten letters in the digital age.Centered on a deceptively simple idea—taking the time to write a note—this episode dives into the emotional resonance and intentionality behind putting pen to paper. Julienne and Jerome uncover the deep links between this analog form of communication and their own work in storytelling: both invite us to slow down, reflect, and connect meaningfully with others.You'll Hear:✍️ The Handwritten Difference – Why writing a physical note is more than a nicety—it's a powerful act of attention, intention, and connection.

In this episode, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Evante Daniels—founder of Seeqer and originator of “cultural physics,” a groundbreaking framework for understanding how shared beliefs and narratives shape organizations. Evante works with schools, governments, and businesses to assess and strengthen what he calls “cultural resilience”—an organization's ability to withstand and adapt to shifting cultural forces.From his earliest soundboard gig at a 6,500-person Black church in Atlanta to mapping cultural “levees” that can either guide or erode business performance, Evante weaves together metaphor, measurement, and meaning. His story is a masterclass in combining systems thinking with deep human insight.You'll hear:What cultural physics is—and how it helps leaders understand what's really happening beneath the surfaceWhy culture is like a river, and organizations are like leveesThe hidden costs of neglecting culture until a crisis hitsWhat it takes to build culturally resilient organizations in a world of constant changeWhy succession planning is a cultural issue, not just a leadership oneHow storytelling engages the nervous system before the brain—and why that matters for communicationWhether you're navigating generational divides, trying to align teams, or leading cultural transformation, this episode will give you a powerful new lens on how stories, structures, and systems interact.

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their compelling conversation with Dr. Neal Baer—renowned TV producer, medical doctor, and storytelling educator—focusing on one powerful idea: “Data. Emotion. Action.”Using this quote as a springboard, they explore how storytelling transforms dry statistics into narratives that resonate—and ultimately drive change. From justice reform to on-the-ground fundraising, they share personal stories where this triad has shown up in powerful ways.You'll Hear:Storytelling with Purpose – How the “Data. Emotion. Action.” framework helps tailor stories to specific audiences, from policymakers to healthcare providers.The Power of Voice in the Justice System – How Measures for Justice turns numbers into stories that humanize criminal justice reform—and catalyze systemic change.A Cocktail-Hour Pivot – Why a last-minute decision to share a story at a fundraiser turned a routine speech into a moment of connection and transformation.From ER to Harvard – How Dr. Baer's eclectic journey from medicine to TV to academia exemplifies the power of building with a “Yes, and” mindset.Why Lived Experience Matters – A reminder that your personal story, when shared with intention, can make a tangible difference in how others see the world.Key Takeaways:✅ Data Alone Isn't Enough – Real change happens when stories infuse data with meaning and human connection.✅ Audience Clarity is Key – A story that moves a policymaker may differ from one that moves a patient or donor—know who you're talking to.✅ Build With “Yes, And” – Embrace non-linear journeys. Seemingly unrelated experiences often fuel the most powerful leadership stories.✅ Tell the Story—Even When Advised Not To – Sometimes the most impactful moments come when we trust our instincts and share something real.✅ Stories Spark Action – When stories are rooted in data and delivered with emotion, they don't just inform—they inspire and mobilize.

In this episode, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Charles Bernard—sales improvement expert, keynote speaker, and founder of Criteria for Success and Collavia. Charles brings more than two decades of experience helping organizations align their strategies with the modern buyer's mindset. His mantra? Enable buying in a world of selling.From a chance encounter in a corporate elevator to leading multi-million dollar deals, Charles shares the origin story that launched his sales career—and the powerful moment of advocacy that changed his life. His story underscores a central theme of the episode: the power of being seen, supported, and given a seat at the table.You'll hear:The difference between selling and enabling buying—and why it mattersHow asking “What does the buyer need to buy right now?” changes everythingWhy shifting your story from product features to client impact drives resultsThe importance of combining philosophy and mechanics in leadershipHow one client saved millions in healthcare costs by reframing their sales pitchHow structured storytelling builds connection and culture across teamsFrom sales to leadership to team dynamics, Charles illustrates why context, clarity, and authenticity are the real game-changers.

In this debrief episode, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan revisit a powerful moment from Episode 142 with Gary Danoff:“I've been laid off a number of times, and I used to have great shame about that. And now I have great pride and appreciation and acceptance of what it has taught me… Wealth can be measured in a lot of different ways… partly financial, and partly in wisdom and figuring things out.”Inspired by Gary's candor, Jerome and Julienne explore the transformative power of reframing difficult experiences—especially layoffs—as catalysts for personal and professional growth. They share personal stories that illustrate how setbacks often become the seeds of purpose, wisdom, and clarity in hindsight.You'll hear:Why origin stories rooted in adversity build credibility and trustHow sharing pain points, when done intentionally, can support othersJerome's own “bus of shame” layoff story—and the values it helped him uncoverThe underrated power of acknowledgment and appreciation in the workplaceWhy leaders should mine their past for stories that inspire and connectWhether you're navigating a professional transition or supporting others through change, this episode offers insight—and a dose of gratitude—for the unexpected lessons along the way.Narativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

What if the secret to stronger workplace connections and higher engagement could be found in your mailbox?In this episode, Jerome and Julienne sit down with Amy Daughters—keynote speaker, author, and advocate of handwritten letters—as she shares the incredible journey that started with writing notes to a grieving acquaintance and led to a profound reconnection with over 600 Facebook friends.Amy tells a moving story about her father's unconventional summer camp rituals that taught her the power of being seen. That same power, she's discovered, lives in the simple act of a handwritten note. From three-sentence messages that employees keep for decades, to short acknowledgments that create champions out of coworkers and customers, Amy demonstrates how analog tools can solve digital-age problems—especially when it comes to leadership and employee engagement.Key Takeaways:Why handwriting someone a note may engage them more than any digital messageHow recognition—when made tangible—turns people into champions for your missionThe impact of vulnerability and authenticity in leadership communicationHow a handwritten culture can counteract disengagement and build lasting trustLinks to learn more and connect with Amy Daughters: Facebook LinkedInInstagramX - WebsiteNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on their conversation with Taylor Scott, author of Lead With Hospitality and the upcoming Give Hospitality. They dive deeper into a powerful quote from Taylor:“We love our favorite hospitality brands and destinations... nine times out of ten, it's because of how they make us feel... That's what I believe can transform mere jobs into truly meaningful work—when we as leaders can create environments where people feel the things they need to feel, so they spark and jump into action.”Drawing on their own stories, they explore what it really takes to foster that kind of workplace. Jerome recalls a surprising moment of mentorship during his early career in finance, while Julienne emphasizes the enduring power of respect and acknowledgement in professional environments. They highlight how small human gestures can make a big impact—and how sharing lived stories within an organization helps bring core values to life.Key TakeawaysMeaningful work is often created not by the task itself, but by how people are made to feel in the workplace.Leaders can turn values like “respect” into tangible experiences through small acts of appreciation and support.Storytelling helps surface and scale meaningful moments across teams, breaking silos and rebuilding connection.You don't need to overhaul your culture overnight—start with one value, one story, one human connection.Related Episodes and ResourcesEpisode 140: Leading with Hospitality – Interview with Taylor ScottLead With Hospitality by Taylor ScottNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this powerful conversation, Jerome and Julienne speak with Dr. Neal Baer—award-winning television showrunner, physician, and educator—whose career has spanned medical dramas like ER and Law & Order: SVU to pioneering a graduate program at Harvard that fuses storytelling and health. Dr. Baer reflects on how his personal journey—particularly coming out later in life—has shaped the narratives he brings to the screen and the classroom.He shares stories about shaping public perceptions of HIV through characters on ER, introducing groundbreaking health messaging like U=U on Designated Survivor, and mentoring students who are transforming public health through narrative, art, and data.Key TakeawaysLeaders and storytellers can create change by pairing emotion with data and action.Personal stories and cultural context help bridge gaps in healthcare access and understanding.Great storytelling often emerges from personal struggle, risk, and lived experience.Storytelling is not just educational or entertaining—it's how we know we matterBooks by Neal Baer:The Promise and Peril of CRISPR – Buy on AmazonHealth & Storytelling Resources:Harvard Medical School's Master's Program in Media, Medicine, and HealthReferenced Work and Contributors:Under the Skin by Linda VillarosaNew York Times Magazine article by Villarosa on HIV in the U.S. SouthWildhood by Barbara Natterson-Horowitz and Kathryn BowersStuds Terkel – WorkingDoris Sommer – Professor at Harvard on narrative and social changeLearn More About Dr. Neal BaerHarvard Faculty Profile:ghsm.hms.harvard.edu/faculty-staff/neal-baerIn-Depth Interview:ghsm.hms.harvard.edu/interview-neal-baerConnect with Dr. Baer:LinkedInInstagramNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this short debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on a powerful moment from their recent conversation with leadership expert Kevin Eikenberry. They explore how a single piece of advice or a simple question—delivered at just the right time—can shape the way we lead, communicate, and relate to others.Key ThemesThe lasting impact of simple, profound questionsMentorship moments that shape leadership philosophyThe importance of asking, not assumingWhy answers aren't always as powerful as the right questionsThe role of listening and pausing in group dynamics and storytellingStandout Quotes“How do you want to be received by your audience, and how do you want them to receive you?” – Robert Dickman (via Julienne)“You're a giant tractor moving a pebble. Simplify, simplify, simplify.” – Bob Fitzpatrick (via Jerome)“The answers are in the room. They'll surface if we give people a pause.” – Julienne Ryan“It's not about having all the answers—it's about the questions you ask.”Mentioned in This EpisodeRobert Dickman – storytelling consultant and authorNarativ's online course in partnership with New Mexico State University Global Campus:Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)Podcast listeners get 25% off - Use code NARATIV → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan engage with Gary Danoff, an executive coach and former leader at Google and Microsoft. The conversation explores Gary's formative experiences, particularly his childhood insights into human behavior and communication. They delve into the challenges of career transitions, emphasizing the importance of reframing setbacks as opportunities. The discussion also highlights effective leadership strategies during turbulent times, advocating for personal connections and empathy in leadership roles. Gary shares inspiring stories from his coaching practice, illustrating the transformative power of storytelling and personal engagement in the workplace.Takeaways ~ Gary's childhood experiences shaped his understanding of human behavior.Reframing challenges can lead to new opportunities.Empathy is crucial in supporting clients through transitions.Leaders should engage personally with their teams during crises.Business is inherently personal, and leaders must connect on that level.Creating a safe environment fosters clarity and growth for clients.Career transitions can lead to unexpected and positive outcomes.Effective leaders lead from the front and show vulnerability.Storytelling is a powerful tool for leaders to connect with their teams.Networking and personal connections are vital in today's business landscape.LinkedIn    Email:        gary@garydanoff.com Podcast:  What's Next Now!Web:          www.garydanoff.comInsta:         @garydanoffParticipate in Narativ's Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode, Jerome and Julienne reflect on a powerful insight from Anil Singhal about embracing inevitable disruption and using company values as a steadfast guide through change. The discussion opens with a personal question: When were you faced with disruption, and how did you respond?Julienne recalls witnessing corporate downsizing and restructuring—scenarios where clear communication and values-based leadership made all the difference. When leaders communicated transparently and demonstrated alignment with core values, they retained trust—and talent.Jerome shares a deeply personal story of disruption: the birth of his daughter during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. Unable to be present post-surgery due to hospital protocols, he found ways to take meaningful action from afar. This moment highlights how disruption often brings a feeling of helplessness, but even small, value-driven actions can have real impact.Together, they underscore the importance of not retreating during times of crisis, but instead leaning into core values, communicating openly, and finding productive paths forward—even in uncertainty. Key TakeawaysAccelerate, Don't Resist: When disruption is inevitable, facing it head-on and controlling the timeline can mitigate damage and build resilience.Double Down on Values: Values shouldn't fluctuate with circumstances. In fact, they become even more critical during times of upheaval.Transparent Communication Builds Trust: During organizational change, people need clarity. Silence and secrecy lead to fear, confusion, and loss of talent.Find Your Sphere of Influence: Even if you can't change the circumstances, meaningful actions within your control matter—for leaders and individuals alike.ResourcesLISTEN to the interview with Anil Singhal HEREAnil's BOOK ~ The 5% Rule of Leadership: Using Lean Decision-Making to Drive Trust, Ownership, and Team ProductivityParticipate in Narativ's Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

Jerome and Julienne sat down with Taylor Scott—author, keynote speaker, and founder of Lead With Hospitality. Taylor brings over two decades of leadership experience from the hospitality and entertainment industries and shares how a moment at the beginning of his career planted the seeds for his leadership philosophy rooted in making people feel welcome, comfortable, and important.Key TakeawaysGreat leadership is rooted in humanness, not hierarchy.Emotional connection precedes effective management - which means leading with empathy.Simple plans, from feeding your team to learning someone's name, can radically shift culture.Organizational values to guide hiring, onboarding, and retention strategies.Vulnerability in leadership builds trust.Taylor's links  LinkedIn  Instagram  WebsiteBooksLead With HospitalityBallgames to Boardrooms Give Hospitality (July 8, 2025) ReferencesThe Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan HaidtSwitch: How to Change Things When Change is Hard by Chip & Dan HeathThe Power of Moments by Chip & Dan HeathThe Fred Factor by Mark SanbornLeadership Development Workshops and Edutainment Facilitation Training available at LeadWithHospitality.comSupport Relief Efforts:Maui Strong Fund – Hawaii Community FoundationAmerican Red Cross Disaster ReliefFREE ~ Action plans from both Lead With Hospitality and the upcoming Give Hospitality Participate in Narativ's Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode, Julienne and Jerome reflect on the thought-provoking conversation from Episode 133 with Carlo Odicino, who challenges the commonly accepted notion of "work-life balance." Carlo rejects the idea that work should be viewed as separate from life, arguing instead that we should strive for balance in life itself, integrating both work and non-work activities. Jerome and Julienne discuss the implications of this perspective, particularly for individuals working in purpose-driven industries like life sciences.Key Takeaways:Purpose and Passion in Work: Carlo's point about the connection between passion for one's work and the risk of burnout resonates, especially in fields like life sciences, where people are often deeply driven by a personal connection to their mission. Even in purpose-driven careers, the boundaries between work and personal life can blur, leading to challenges in maintaining balance.Life Balance, Not Work-Life Balance: The idea of life balance emphasizes that all aspects of life—work, family, health, and leisure—are interconnected. Finding a balance between these elements is essential, but it requires conscious effort and self-awareness.Burnout in Purpose-Driven Careers: Even in industries where people are passionate and driven by a sense of mission, burnout is a real concern. Jerome shares insights from a recent collaboration with a pharmaceutical company where storytelling was used as a strategy to combat burnout and foster a sense of appreciation among employees.Celebrating Achievements and Pausing: One approach to addressing burnout is taking intentional pauses to celebrate achievements, both big and small. Recognizing and appreciating the hard work of employees can go a long way in reducing stress and creating a more sustainable work culture.Using Stories to Foster Engagement: Sharing personal stories within an organization can help employees feel valued and connected to the larger mission. Storytelling, as seen in the example of the pharmaceutical company, creates a sense of belonging and reinforces the organization's values.Reflection Prompts:How do you currently manage the balance between your work and personal life?What boundaries (or lack thereof) do you see in your own life between work, rest, and other responsibilities?How can you create more space for celebration and pauses in your work culture to prevent burnout?Call to Action: Get 25% off our self-paced online course Lead With Your Story, created in partnership with NMSU Global CampusUse the code NARATIV at checkout. To learn to connect your past, your purpose, and your voice—and tell a story that moves people to action CLICK HERELearn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. We encourage you to join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan welcome Kevin Eikenberry, Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group and author of Flexible Leadership: Navigate Uncertainty and Lead with Confidence. With over 30 years of experience developing leaders across the globe, Kevin brings fresh insight into what it takes to lead effectively in today's complex, ever-shifting workplace.This conversation goes beyond frameworks and titles. It's about mindset. Kevin shares how flexibility, paradox, and curiosity can be the keys to unlocking potential—in ourselves and others.You'll Hear:

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their conversation with Jennifer Langton, former NFL executive and champion of player safety, innovation, and ethical tech. They discuss how Jennifer's unique leadership style—grounded in empathy, curiosity, and continuous learning—led to groundbreaking work in AI and athlete health, and what we can all take from her example.At a time when tech often feels impersonal, Jennifer's story is a reminder that the most effective innovation happens when people are placed at the center.You'll Hear:

Hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy sit down with Anil Singhal, CEO and Co-founder of NETSCOUT and author of The 5% Rule of Leadership. With 40 years at the helm of a company that has grown from a startup to a billion-dollar enterprise, Anil brings a wealth of wisdom grounded in experience, fairness, and deeply held values.Anil shares the story behind his book and the powerful leadership framework it introduces: focus early effort on the most impactful decisions—the crucial 5% that drive 95% of outcomes. What begins as a principle becomes a company-wide approach that promotes empathy, trust, retention, and transparency across a global organization.You'll Hear:The Story Behind the 5% Rule – How Anil developed this concept over decades and why he uses it to mentor the next generation of leaders.Fairness as a Leadership Strategy – How fairness leads to better transparency, stronger culture, and better business results.The Power of Listening – Why defining problems clearly—before proposing solutions—builds alignment, trust, and efficiency.Human-Centered Succession Planning – How NETSCOUT is building its future through policies, alumni networks, and long-term values.Storytelling as a Leadership Tool – How shared stories and lived values are the key to knowledge transfer, employee engagement, and long-term success.Key Takeaways:Start with Values – Whether you're founding a company or leading through change, define and stick to your values—especially in tough times.Focus on the First 5% – Strategic preparation early on reduces wasted effort and improves long-term outcomes.Trust Multiplies Over Time – Invest in relationships early and avoid transactional behavior (like earn-outs) that can erode long-term commitment.Institutionalize What Works – Codify successful practices so they're scalable and repeatable, even after leadership transitions.Prioritize People – Start with happy employees. They create happy customers, which leads to happy shareholders.This episode is essential listening for any leader—whether you're building a startup or guiding a legacy company into the future.Resources:

In this special episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy step back from their usual format to address something that's on many people's minds—uncertainty. With rapid change, economic anxiety, and social division dominating conversations, they explore how we can approach difficult moments with intention, curiosity, and connection.This conversation is a raw and honest reflection on how we process change, find common ground with others, and build bridges in challenging times. Whether it's through personal reflection, seeking support, or simply stepping into a conversation with openness, this episode is an invitation to navigate uncertainty with purpose.You'll Hear:The Power of Self-Reflection – Why challenging our own assumptions can help us better engage with others in uncertain times.Navigating Fear and Anxiety – Understanding our natural responses to uncertainty—fight, flight, or freeze—and how to work through them.Leaning on Your Community – The importance of identifying supportive spaces and trusted individuals who provide judgment-free conversation.Finding Small Anchors in Conversations – How shared human experiences, even as simple as a comment about the weather or a shared hobby, can open the door to deeper connection.Moving Through the Unknown with Action – How small, intentional steps—whether through movement, self-care, or playfulness—can shift our mindset and help us navigate uncertainty with more confidence.Key Takeaways:Look Inward Before Looking Outward – Before engaging in difficult conversations, take time to understand your own assumptions and emotions.Find a Safe Space for Honest Dialogue – Whether it's a friend, mentor, or therapist, having a non-judgmental sounding board is invaluable.Reconnect with Playfulness and Creativity – Tapping into imagination and fun can help us envision a more positive future and take action toward it.Step into Conversations with Curiosity – Instead of avoiding difficult interactions, approach them with an open mind and a willingness to listen.Take Care of Yourself First – Movement, nature, and small grounding exercises can help shift from a place of fear to a place of possibility.We recorded this episode because, like many of you, we're processing a lot right now. If you're feeling uncertainty, we invite you to reflect, connect, and explore new ways of navigating change.Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. We encourage you to join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this debrief episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their insightful conversation with Jeanne Martinet, author of The Art of Mingling and Mingling with the Enemy. Jeanne's expertise in social interaction and connection offers a refreshing perspective on how we approach conversations—whether at networking events, social gatherings, or even in workplace meetings.This episode explores the power of intention when entering social spaces, how shifting your mindset can change interactions, and the surprising link between storytelling and meaningful connections.You'll Hear:The Power of Intention – Why setting an intention before entering a social or professional situation can transform your experience.Reframing Social Anxiety – How shifting from a defensive mindset to one of openness and curiosity can make conversations more enjoyable.Fun as a Strategy – Why adopting a mindset of fun and playfulness can help break down barriers in social interactions.Lessons from Storytelling – How preparing for a conversation is similar to preparing to tell a compelling story—both require presence and awareness.Breaking Routines – The importance of stepping out of habitual ways of interacting and embracing the potential for surprise and discovery.Key Takeaways:Start with a Clear Intention – Before entering a conversation, ask yourself: What energy do I want to bring? How do I want to show up?Be Open to Surprise – Instead of assuming you know how an interaction will unfold, embrace discovery and let yourself be genuinely curious.Small Shifts Create Big Changes – Something as simple as walking into a room with a positive mindset can reshape the way others respond to you.Preparation Matters – Just as storytelling requires intentionality, so does effective mingling—approach interactions with thoughtfulness and purpose.Practice and Reflect – Try shifting your approach in social or work settings and take note of the results. What changed? How did people react?For those looking to enhance their ability to connect in any setting—whether at work, networking events, or social gatherings—this episode offers actionable insights and real-world strategies.Learn more about how to leverage Narativ's storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you're welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. We encourage you to join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne's book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy welcome Carlo Odicino, CEO and founder of One Team Partners. With over 24 years of experience scaling businesses—from Fortune 100 companies to early-stage startups—Carlo helps leaders bring their innovations to market without burning out.Carlo shares his player-coach approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of self-management, creativity, and sustainable growth. Drawing from his experience in life sciences, entrepreneurship, and even high school theater direction, he reveals how leaders can balance ambition with well-being—and why the key to success isn't working more, but working smarter.You'll hear: