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Lesley Logan chats with Jill Allen, orthodontic consultant, business strategist, and host of the Hey Docs! podcast, about building a thriving business by balancing logic, courage, and heart. Jill shares how she niched into startups, overcame imposter syndrome, and grew a national consulting practice from scratch with clarity, confidence, and a willingness to figure it out. Together they explore how curiosity and smart decision-making helped her be it till she saw it—and how you can too.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Jill discovered her entrepreneurial path in the orthodontic industry.Why niching down can create more opportunity and success in your business.What it takes to build confidence and overcome imposter syndrome as a founder.How block scheduling and focus can transform the way you work.The mindset shift that helps you make smart decisions without getting lost in emotion.Episode References/Links:Practice Results Website - https://www.practiceresults.comHey Docs! Podcast - https://www.practiceresults.com/hey-docsJill Allen on Instagram - https://instagram.com/jillallenandassociatesBook: Brave Not Perfect by Reshma Saujani - https://a.co/d/gpsWODMGuest Bio:The visionary owner and founder of Jill Allen & Associates, Jill is the driving force behind the company's success and a trailblazer in the orthodontic consulting industry. With a passion for helping orthodontic practices thrive, she has built her firm into one of the most respected and sought-after consulting groups in the field. Her expertise and hands-on approach have shaped the success of countless practices, solidifying her as one of the most influential figures in orthodontic consulting today. Jill's influence extends further as a strategic partner in multiple start-up companies, where she helps push innovation in the orthodontic space. Jill's passion project finds her as the host of the Hey Docs! podcast, a project born from her vision to provide valuable resources to orthodontists. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I don't want to lead with my heart. I want to lead with good business decisions. And if it's meant to be, it's going to work out, the doors are going to open. And if it's not, hey, there'll be something else that you know that will come my way. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe. This is really fun. Because of the world of podcasting, I get to do things where I get to meet people that I probably would never have, like, thought about for the show, and also need for the show, like, definitely need it. So this is, like, a total win for both our guests and I today. In fact, I'll get to be on her podcast soon. But our guest is Jill Allen, and I wanted to say, like you're going to hear when she introduce herself that she's a consultant for brand new startup orthodontics. And then I want you just to insert whatever it is that you are wanting to do, whatever it is you're already doing, and apply everything she says to that, because it applies to everyone. And it was such a fun conversation for us both. I got reminders about some things that I did in my early business. And I was like, oh, pat myself on the back. I got to, like, agree on the things that I'm actually teaching Pilates instructors everywhere about their startup. So, like, it actually doesn't matter that her work is in consulting orthodontics. That being said, if you want to be an orthodontist, or, you know, someone who is and they want to have their own practice, this is your expert. I got her for you. She's great, and so please enjoy the fabulous interview and the Be It Action Items are important, no matter if you never want to work for yourself, and especially if you do, so make sure you stay till the end. Here is Jill. Allen. Lesley Logan 2:15  All right, Be It babe. I am super excited to have this awesome conversation we're gonna have today, but mostly because anyone from Denver is a friend of mine. Jill Allen is our guest today, and she is coming to us from Denver. She is the host of the Hey Docs! Podcast. Jill Allen, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Jill Allen 2:32  Sure. Sure. So my name is Jill Allen. I am an orthodontic consultant, actually, and I have been in the orthodontic field for a little over 19 years, with my own business a little over 30 within the industry. And you know, I specialize on helping doctors start up their orthodontic practices and get their practices off the ground and running. And then I also host a podcast that I've been doing for little over a year now, just helping get good information out there to new business owners.Lesley Logan 3:06  Yeah, well, because, I mean, like, even though you specialize in orthodontic offices, a lot of the same systems apply to everything, to all doctors, but also to, like, any small business, anything and like, this is the funny thing you guys like, when you go to law school, when you go to orthodontics school, tennis school, like, Pilates school, they don't teach you how to be a business owner. Jill Allen 3:32  Absolutely. Yep, yep. Lesley Logan 3:34  They don't tell you any of that. Well, that's a shame, because then the best dentists and orthodontists and doctors out there might not actually get the clients, because they don't have the business acumen. So how did, okay, yeah, so 19 years in that world, that's a long time I'd already done braces by then. So, like, it's, thank goodness my parents invested in that at an early age. But how did you did you like, always want it, like, tell us how you got into this in the first place? Take us back. Jill Allen 4:02  Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it is kind of a fun, a fun story. And I was, you know, really thinking about this, you know, as as I was preparing, you know, to be on the show here today. And, you know, it's kind of funny, because even before I got started, I have always had a very entrepreneurship, just, personality from, you know, being a being a little girl, and my mom, you know, I, I'm going to date myself here, but, you know, being like, hey, you want to make some money go out and sell Amway. Here's some, you know. Here's some bottles of cleaner, you know. And she's sending her third grader out to, you know, rack on doors. And be like, hey, you want to buy some, you know, cleaner or whatnot. But, you know, for for me, just in my, you know, kind of who I am and who I was, I have always just had that spirit of, I want to be my own business owner. And so, as you know, I was, you know, kind of coming up through, you know, my my years, and then getting into orthodontics, I had an opportunity to work in an ortho office, and, you know, was just like, oh, this is just really cool. I like, I like, just the synergy of of this, this business industry, and it's such a niche industry. So with that in, you know, kind of, you know that that mindset, I was actually really blessed to work with some really progressive orthodontists who really believed in continuing education and just, you know, being on kind of the cutting edge of making their business better. So it wasn't just about treating the patient, but it was about, how do I, you know, make my team better? How do I make myself better so that I can provide this really great patient experience? So I got an opportunity at an early age to really get in and see, I'll say, some sages of our time within our industry, kind of at their peak. And for me, I was like, oh my gosh, this is exactly what I want to do, you know. I want to be able to, you know, kind of work in this field and help people, you know, just see what a, what a great field this is. So that's, that's kind of how I got into it. And, you know, for me, I kind of worked my way up and through the practice. And then, you know, 19 years ago was like, okay, I've kind of done everything that I need to do to learn about the business side of doing business. And then, you know, kind of stepped into the orthodontic space and said you know what, I can do this. I can step into this space as a consultant, and just kind of jumped off from there. Now, now, of course, you know, it was, you know, a really, you know, kind of, kind of trying, because I'm like, well, who am I? You know, like usually most consultants in big industry. You know, with within our industry, we're, we're pretty nichey, but, you know, I mean, there's, there's only a certain amount of people that do what I do. And you know, to speak to what you originally talked about with the startups, you know, what I saw is that there was a lot of great sages out there, but none of them were really working with the doctors who were starting their business, and I saw such a need, and thought, you know, this is crazy, and it's probably a horrible business decision, because I should be going after the people that actually have money and want to pay to make themselves better, versus the ones that haven't figured out how to make money yet. Lesley Logan 7:19  Right. Jill Allen 7:20  And, you know, and get going. But I saw such a need, and I also saw that there were a lot of doctors kind of holding themselves back from taking a chance on themselves because they just didn't know how to run a business. And so that's kind of where I I, you know, I kind of stepped into that space and said you know what, nobody else is here, it's a blue ocean, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna build my business in that space.Lesley Logan 7:47  Yeah, I think it's, okay, I just wanna highlight couple things. Like, first of all, like, orthodontics is its own niche, in (inaudible) on its own. But like, if you actually were to think about it, I'm sure almost every city has at least one orthodontist, you know? Oh my gosh, yeah, at least every city has one, right? And so so then. But I also would like this, like, just point out, because I think people are like, oh, I don't want to niche down. We have a lot of people who listen to this, who are are starting up their own thing, and they're like, if I niche down, then I'm like, what if I fail and all this stuff. And it's like, but you niched down even more, you're like, okay, I'm in the, I'm not just helping the medical field start an office. I'm helping people start orthodontic offices. And I I can imagine that was really scary to do that, but also that something that I think is really important. It's like, it's kind of freeing, because you're like, this is exactly what I'm talking to. I'm not trying to talk to the orthodontics who do this over here, and the one that does this over here, I'm talking to your office is new, and this is what we needed to set it up. I think that's really quite bold. And also, clearly, after all these years of doing it, a testament that it was the right thing to do is to niche down as specifically as possible.Jill Allen 8:58  Yeah, it was, and it has been, it's been a great success, and I am still the only one in our industry that just specializes in startup, you know, orthodontic practices. And, you know, as you know, when you talk about, you know, kind of taking, you know, it is scary. Number one, it's just scary to start a business and be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a chance on myself. I didn't have a big company backing me, backing me. You know, that was like, hey, come in and speak for us. And, you know, kind of get your, you know, cut your teeth, you know, with with us, backing you. It was really, truly bootstrapping. Like, I've got a message, I think I can do this, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out there and, you know, just do the hard work to drum up business. And, you know, because I'm in Colorado, you know, originally I was like, oh, you know, I'll get started here in Colorado. And, you know, back in the day when I was getting started, we didn't even have that access, like we do now with internet.Lesley Logan 9:57  Oh, my God, that's, you know, how crazy, like, (inaudible) 19 years ago, no one was looking on Facebook for a coach.Jill Allen 10:04  No, you know (inaudible).Lesley Logan 10:05  No one was looking on Facebook for an orthodontist.Jill Allen 10:09  No, absolutely not. And so, you know, like, when I think back to, you know, I mean truly a grassroots approach, you know, and and my husband and I were young, and you know, you know, I always, you know, kind of took the approach. And I would say this for any business owner, is, you know, I would always say, okay, what's the worst that's going to happen if I, you know, if I take this and and it doesn't work, you know, I mean, like, I'm committed in my head to do, doing the work. But if it doesn't work, what's, what's the worst that's going to happen? And I would, you know, go through all these scenarios like, well, maybe bankruptcy, maybe we'll run out of money, maybe, you know what, whatever it was. And I always came back to, well, if that's the worst, I mean, like, yeah, it's scary to think about. But if that's the worst thing that that happens, I can recover from that. And I think that was really freeing for me, for when I decided to kind of move into that niche and say, well, you know, what's the worst? I'm, you know, I'm, I'm playing in an arena where the other consultants don't even have their eyes on me, so I can do what I want. And you know, nobody's coming after me as I'm building my business. And, you know, kind of starting my slow burn. Lesley Logan 11:22  Right. Because I think about, like, you know, we coach a lot of people in their Pilates business, and to start a Pilates studio back in the day, people would just start a studio with, like, one of everything, and, like, call it a day, so you can do it like, like, $25-$30,000. Now people think that they have to have like, 12 of everything, you know. And like, I think, like, all these things, and I'm like, that's a that's a huge barrier to entry, you know, and you have to be making money like, day one. I imagine, in your industry, the amount of things you have to buy for an office to function, that's quite the investment. So that is scary. So are you, like, are you finding them before they even make this investment. Are they finding you after they made the investment and they're freaking out?Jill Allen 12:05  Yeah, yeah. Actually, you know, it's kind of interesting how I find my clients. I mean, I, you know, like when I very first got started, I would just reach out to all of the colleges and be like, hey, you want somebody to, you know, to talk to the residents about running a business. And, you know, that's, that's kind of how it started, but, you know, now you know, now I, you know, I get, I get clients from, you know, from people who are just like, okay, I think I'm ready. I've been associating for a while, or I'm in school, and I just know I don't want to work for anybody else. And they're, you know, you know, kind of reaching out or whatnot. But it's, it's, it's, it's really been fun to see, you know, that that evolution of, you know, not just going after doctors, you know, in Colorado, but now I've got, you know, doctors across the United States and into Canada and so kind of all over.Lesley Logan 12:57  It's so cool. It's so cool. And I imagine, like, some things have changed and made it easier to start a business, because now we have so much technology that can, you know, like, they can just, they can buy this software, and it does a lot of the things that you had to do with other people and by hand. Can you talk about, like, you know, you've had to be it till you see it in a way to, like, go from what you were doing to like being a consultant and like believing in yourself. But I imagine you have to also get these, these doctors, to find a way to be it till they see it, to go from an associate to being a business owner, like, what are, what are the things that you see that they need to do to make that happen?Jill Allen 13:35  No, I think, I think with any business owner, I think I think number one is just being confident to stand in the space and and I truly do the work that it takes, because it is not easy to be a business owner. I don't care what what business you're doing. It takes grit. It takes hard work, and, you know, and it takes, you know, pumping yourself up, even if you don't believe it 100% yet. And I think you know, for all of us, you know, and I see this a lot with my doctors, that, you know, Superman, Superwoman syndrome, you know, where it's like, you know, I need to be doing it all, but I don't know how to do it all. And, you know, and it's just, it's a hard thing to, you know, learn to trust, to learn to, you know, move, move past, okay, you know, I don't know at all. So I can, you know, get somebody else to help me. But yet, I have a little bit of imposter syndrome, because, you know, you know, I've got to go from zero to 300,000 in my first year. I've got to go from, you know, 300,000 to 800,000 in my second year. You know what I mean. And so they're, you know, like, they've got big numbers that they have to hit, but it's all on them. So they think, and, you know, just, just getting out of their own way, if that, if that makes sense, to be like, I always tell my my clients, I'm like, you know, let's, let's just take it like, like we're eating a cookie, just, you know, one, one little bite at a time, and keep moving forward, and then just be sure to look backwards and be like, high five yourself. Like, hey, I just did that. You know, I just, I just got 20 new clients on my books that I had zero before. So high five to me, versus comparing myself to somebody out there on Facebook that got 40 in their first month, and you're like, oh, I, you know, I should have been better.Lesley Logan 15:28  Yeah, yeah. Well, because, I mean, like, you know, SEO is a real thing. Takes a while to get searchable. And then also, like, in that field, similar to the field I'm in, like, referrals go a lot, a long way. So if you're brand new, just don't have it yet. And then the hard thing is, the ideal world is that you only see orthodontist for a short period of time, and you move on like you should get the smile, yeah, and you go.Jill Allen 15:51  Yeah, two years and you're out of there. Lesley Logan 15:52  Yeah, yeah. I appreciate you talking about like, that Superman syndrome, because I do think so many people like I have to do it all. I can't afford to hire people. I can't afford this. And it's like, in a lot of cases, you can't afford not to like you like, it's you're it's, you know, I joke when I hire my first business coach, like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm taking my business to private school, and they're like, what? I'm like, well, you know, public school is great, and that's how I got my education. And I learned a ton. I learned I got to meet so many, I got to see all walks of life. And I'm very grateful for that education. But I need to move a little faster with my business. So it's going to private school, because that's where you meet the networks. Like, I didn't go to a sorority, so, so like, you know, having a consultant kind of can speed up the process, because it helps you see, like, no, you actually don't need to know exactly how the scheduling tool works. You need to hire someone who can do it, because you need to be doing the work with the clients that brings them the money.Jill Allen 16:47  Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think, you know, a lot of times when we're when we're working with clients, you know, the other thing that we're really doing is helping, you know, kind of see that big picture. Because a lot of times, as a business owner, you you don't see the big picture yet, you're still kind of in that step by step, head down. I gotta do this. I gotta reconcile my books, I gotta meet clients. I gotta, you know what I mean, and you're just in a very linear movement with your business. And I think having a coach, you know, to be able to kind of see, like, that big picture, like, hey, you're kind of getting off track, like, like, your head is down and you're working, but you may be veering a little too far in one direction, and you're kind of missing some of these other things. And so you know that, I think that's that's also the beauty of, you know, doing what we do, or having a coach involved, is somebody that can really see that bigger picture and also maybe even help you refocus. Because sometimes you do think that what you think is important is important, and it may actually not be as important as as as you may think, or you may have heard.Lesley Logan 17:56  Yeah, no, I totally, I mean, like, there's an it's an interesting thing about, like, the idea of working on the business versus working in the business, right? And, like, it's really easy. I was, like, working in the business for a few weeks recently, and, like, and it needed to be, I needed to be in the business. We had clients coming. We had a lot of things we're doing. We had events going on. So, like, I was in it, and when I was able to take a step out of being in it, and I looked around, I was like, hold on, what is this ad that's going out? Whoa, whoa. That doesn't make sense to the that is, that is, that's actually the and I got a little mad at myself, like I should have caught that sooner. And it's like, yes, I should have. But also, like, you have seasons of your business, and you, you know, as long as you're maybe what I took away is, like, you know, even if I'm doing three weeks in the business, because that's what's scheduled, there needs to be a day where I just take a little zoom out moment, what's going on, you know, to catch things. Because you you get so close to something, it becomes more important. And then there's that sunk cost fallacy that you just, like, I've worked so hard on this, it has to work. And it's like, you gotta, like, you gotta, like, detach from that as well, and you need someone to remind you.Jill Allen 19:03  Yeah, yeah, for for sure. And it is, it is hard, you know, I say the same thing to my clients. You know, we got to take time to work on the business while we're in the business. And, you know, one of the things that I really, you know, coach a lot on, is really making sure that my doctors really utilize block time scheduling. And I would suggest that for any business owner, and sometimes it feels so rigid, like, you know, I'm a personality that doesn't like to be told what to do. But yet, if I've got, you know, a whole day in front of me, man, I can find 100 things to do with that day if I have not, you know, kind of planned my time out and to have start and stop times, you know, because I can, you know, get dialed into something, and then at the end of the day, it's like, well, what did you do? Well, I worked on this one thing, but did that one thing really, really move me the way, you know, the way I wanted so I totally agree with you. Lesley Logan 19:04  I love that you brought up a lot, and I also appreciate that you're honest at like, you're not someone who likes that because, like, I so I have ADHD, my husband has ADD, like he's a rebel. As far as the tendencies go, I'm an upholder. So, like, I don't need to tell anyone I'm going to do something, but if I say I'm gonna do it, I'll do it. But I definitely had to learn early on, like, if you have three hours to work on something, you'll take three hours to work on that thing. If you have 45 minutes, you'll take 45 minutes, and if it takes longer than 45 minutes, that's okay, because now you can come back to it a different day, but you got to move on to the other things that have to get done. Like, when people are like, oh, I'm gonna, Mondays are my days to work on the business. I'm like, if you don't block out what's happening at nine, 10, 11, 12, you will get nothing done on the whole Monday because you just, you need that. Like, we need timers. We need a lot, whatever it is to, like, tell you, like, we have a kitchen timer, clock, and I'll set, like, Ookay, I'm going to do 15 minutes on this. Okay, do 20 minutes on this. And when I do that, I'm so much more focused. I don't go, oh, what's happening over on my Instagram. I wonder how that post is doing today.Jill Allen 20:57  Yeah, and it's, and I'm a very similar personality, and, like I said, I mean it, that's a hard thing, and that was a hard thing for me to learn, but it definitely makes, makes all the difference. And when, when we are so busy already, it's, you know, it's, I think it's just something we have to do as business owners, even if, even if our personalities rail against it, because mine definitely does. Lesley Logan 21:22  Yeah, yeah, no, I had, I was, I'm a little bit behind on this one project. I'm, okay, I normally don't work after like, four o'clock, which is not true. It's like, means I don't have any meetings. I can't have it after four. And it's kind of like, okay, what does tomorrow look like? What like did I wrap as much up today? Did I put the balls back in other people's courts so that I can just, you know, like, I don't want them to wait on me. And so anyways, I had this thing. I was like, okay, I'm gonna go home, and I spend an hour doing it. I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna set a timer doing for an hour, and at 45 minutes, I'm like, we're no longer good at this. We did, we did 45 minutes of it, and we have to stop. Otherwise it's actually not gonna be better. It's gonna be a mess. So, you know, like, sometimes I think we even need to, like, put it on shorter time blocks on some of these things, because our brains can only focus for so long on one task, anyways.Jill Allen 22:10  Yeah, yeah. And, and I think just to give yourself permission that I can't force myself into creativity, or I can't force myself into, like, there are just times, my husband jokes, your squirrels are running wild. Yeah, they are, you know, but yeah, and, and I can't, I can't do anything about it, so maybe I need to go take a walk and, you know, unlock whatever it is that I'm, you know, thinking through or working through, you know. And I think just giving ourselves permission to pivot to, even within work, kind of focused things, to be able to say, I can, I can shift or switch this up, it doesn't mean I'm a failure, because I didn't get my block time in. Sometimes I just need to change it up, because that is what will actually help me move, move forward and progress through what I need to get done. Lesley Logan 22:59  Yeah, and I think it's like that permission structure we have to give ourselves the grace and like, also just awareness of, like, how do we like to work? And when do we like to work? Like, when are we most creative? When is it better to be on calls with people? And when is it like, no, please just, I cannot. I need. So I wonder like, you know, you've been doing this for so, so long. Have you ever worried, like, is there going to be enough orthodontists? Like, do you ever get like that? Or do you do, you know, because I have people who are like, they're they have an uncle or an aunt or a friend who's like that, you're going to run out of the there's not enough people for that. For example, we have flashcards. And, like, sometimes Brad and I are like, do we sell all didn't, didn't everyone buy the flashcards already? And then, like, there's a bunch more people, right? And so. And then this guy who manufacture Pilates equipment, his uncle, was like, how many of these things can you make? You know, like, so there's these doubters. Like, you're gonna run out. Do you ever get like that? And like, how do you talk yourself out of doubt like that?Jill Allen 23:55  It's a great question, you know, I guess, when I started this business originally, and when I got into, especially, specifically working with startups. You know, the one thing that I always thought was, I want to be in a business that, that there will always, it's kind of like a wedding, wedding dress, if you're selling, there's always going to be people that are getting married. And the way I look at it, within our industry, at least, there will always be new doctors coming. So I feel like, you know, there's there there is not an end in sight to, you know, unless our industry were to end, which that you know that that's not going to happen. Now is there, and could there be a cap to how big my business, you know, gets? Absolutely. And I think that is probably more of a struggle that I have had when you think about, Do I have a lifestyle business, or do I have a business that is actually going to be something that I can sell, and that's that's probably been something that I have been really working towards and thinking a lot about in, you know, especially in these last five years as you know, as, you know, when I look forward and say, okay, how much longer do I want to do this? And you know, a lifestyle business is great, you know, it gives us great money. It gives us, you know, there's all these things, but my personality says, you know, I want more legs under my business. You know, I want more verticals. And so, you know, good or bad, my personality says, well, well, what, what can I bring on, which is, you know, some of the things that I'm actively even looking at right now at purchasing another pretty big business to kind of bring under the wing of mine. But it's more, it's it's more because, you know, I'm looking at that exit strategy, which I never thought I'd be looking at an exit strategy. You know, I was like, how do I just get this business off the ground? And I want to love what I do, and I do love what I do, but it definitely, I think with any business, there comes this point where you have to make that assessment. Am I good with where it's at, and will I be good with winding it down when I'm ready, if, if there is not an opportunity to sell, or what do I need to do to start looking at those verticals to maybe, you know, kind of take it to that next level of, you know, moving and, you know, hopefully getting, you know, a bigger buyer to come in.Lesley Logan 26:19  Yeah, I thank you for sharing that, because I think, like, you know, when I got into teaching, like, and all this stuff, I was like, I'm just gonna teach, and then I'll retire, you know, and then, like, we started, I started building other businesses that went along with it, because I saw a need. And then when my husband came on full time, he's like, okay, well, what is our exit strategy? Is like, I'm sorry, why are we talking about the end? And you know, then along the way, I met one of my dear friends, Kareen Walsh, and she's been on the show, and she is, like, very big on like, before you start something, you got to know how you want to end it, because it changes what you create, how you create it. And like, if it's going to die with you, that's fine, or if you want to retire, but it continues on, or someone else runs it for you, or you sell it, you know? And there's that and that that changes the systems, it changes the client, it changes everything. And so yes, of course you can, you can, in the middle of your business, go, oh, I'm gonna think about this and make changes. It just, it just is a different route of going through it. So I love that you what a what a bold move like, that's crazy. Did you ever think you were to buy another business?Jill Allen 27:22  No, no, I, you know, I didn't. And when I started this, that was not, you know, again, that that was not, not what I had in mind. I mean, I really within our industry, kind of the, you know, when you look at the sages in our industry, they really were just lifestyle, and they'd wind them down, you know, they'd work to a certain point, and then wind him down, and, you know, and I just was like, that's, it's just not for me. That's not, not my mentality. And so, you know that that has been something I have been actively working towards, and, you know, looking at, you know, and again, like, I go back to my original you know, well, what's the worst that's going to happen? You know, I go after this big business and either it, you know, it doesn't work. You know, I always look at when I'm making business decisions, I try and really take the emotion out of it and just say, does this logically work? I don't want to be leading with my heart, even though my heart may want it. I don't want to lead with my heart. I want to lead with good business decisions. And if it's meant to be, it's going to work out, the doors are going to open. And if it's not, hey, there'll be something else that you know that will come my way. Lesley Logan 28:30  Thank you for sharing that. Like I was just listening to Zarna. Her last name, I'm it's Zarna the G, but she's a comedian, and I just learned a movie, and she was being interviewed on LinkedIn, and so she's like, she said, yes, she's like, the difference between a lot of comedians that I see and the ones that are making the money is like, I'm not attached to a joke. If I tried it three different ways, and it doesn't get the laugh that I'm expecting, it gets tossed out. Because at the end of the day, this is a business and the analytics matter. And if you are, like, no, this is a joke. This is the thing I want. She's like, there's a that's a hobbyist, that's not a business owner, and, I think, like, yes, we all need to be connected to our heart. There needs to be some love and empathy for the people that we're working with. But the end of the day, if you're wanting it to be not even just a lifestyle business even, but like, anything that's actually going to be consistent income for you, you have to take the emotions out of it and go, okay, hold on, if I like 30,000 foot view, is this working? Like, would other people say it's working like, could I, you know, all that stuff. So I think that that's a really great question. Does it logically make sense? We have a thing we're wanting to maybe potentially do. And like, my brain is like, I can do this. I can, like, figure, like, I the business makes sense to me. And then my heart is like, the time and energy and emotion this is going to take is actually I don't have it right now. Like, if I'm going to do this, then I actually need to take some time to set up the space in my life and the other businesses for me to have the emotional pull that needs to be there to push through the obstacles. So, like I can see on a logical standpoint how it works. But then there's the heart. So you have to have both, but you kind of make sure that you're not leaning into one more than the other too much, because it can keep you from seeing the forest for the trees, you know. Jill Allen 30:22  Yeah, well, and I think, I think that is one of the really, you know, tough things. But I also think it's just where, you know, we as business owners grow, you know, where, you know, the Jill Allen that I am 19 years into business, is very different than the Jill Allen I was 19 years ago when I started this business. And you know, when, when I look at these decisions, you know that I'm looking at, you know, I've got, you know, 11 employees that I support. I've got, you know, this, as you're talking about, you know, when I'm looking at bringing on this other business, I'm having to put directors and level, you know, level, you know, things in place in my own business so that I can free myself up if I'm going to run another business, you know, and it's just this totally different way of looking at it, but yet, I don't want to be disconnected from the thing that I love the most, and I absolutely love the consulting so it, it really is, you know, interesting to just kind of sit under that weight of where am I and what do I want? And, you know, I know it's going to be hard. I know, you know, like my husband and I have discussions, you know about this, because my husband also works in the business. He was able to retire from his first career. And, you know, come in and start working in our business as well. And, you know, and we have these discussions, you know, like, you know, are are you going to have the time? Do you have the bandwidth, you know, to do it? And it's, it's, it's hard to kind of sit under that weight sometimes and again, you know, take the emotion out of it. And do I have the time? Do I, you know, I've got, I've got grandbabies. Do I want to give up my time, you know, with, with my grandbabies, when I have to go and do the hard work, you know, of you know, you know, bringing it on and getting another business off the ground. But, you know, I don't know that there's a right or wrong. It's more just can, you know, am I thinking it through, and can I pivot if I need to?Lesley Logan 32:15  Yeah, I agree there's not a right or wrong. It's kind of like, does it work? Does like, I just interviewed my yoga teacher, and he's like, does it serve you? Like, he's like, he's like, most people would say that drinking at the end of the work day doesn't serve them, but some people, if it takes the edge off, so that they can, like, be with their family, what, is it, is it the right answer all the time, no, but maybe so that they're present for their family on that day. It did serve them. And so it's like, we think that things are bad or good or right or wrong, but if it you have to ask, like, is this serving me? And if the answer is yes, the hardest part is that we don't actually owe anyone the explanation. You know, if people are like, oh my god, don't you miss your grandbabies on Saturdays, it's like, that's that's them projecting. And we have to be able to go, yeah, of course I do, but I am so excited to see them on Sundays, or, actually, I see them on Thursday nights. So I think it's just like, you know, the hardest part is dealing with the other people questioning the decisions that we make, and that's really, like, where we have to, like, stand in our like, we're the only person who could decide what's what's good for us, yeah. Jill Allen 33:20  Yeah. And I think there are always going to be those people. I mean, I've, I've had it, you know, you know, oh, you just work so, you know, oh, you're traveling again, oh, you're speaking again. Oh, you know, you know, they like you said, they project that.Lesley Logan 33:33  I get all the time, you're so busy. And I was like, I mean, you I am busy, but if you think I'm tired, that's a that's different, or that I don't like it. I like what I'm doing, and it is busy, but I but I'm also like, I sleep. I work out more than you do.Jill Allen 33:53  Yeah, well, and I always say it, you know, I'd rather work 80 hours for myself than 40 hours for somebody else. So I'll take, I'll take this and the lifestyle that I lead, knowing that I absolutely love what I do, and I love the connections that I make with my doctors. And, you know, there is nothing more inspiring for me than to have, you know, you know, these long term relationships with my clients and have them be like, you know, hey, Jill, I'm a, you know, $3 million, $4 million practice now, I'm a, you know, and to think that the foundation that we built, you know, that that doctor that was so concerned about getting started or, you know, when we were looking at demographics and saying, yeah, this, this location is going to be a great location, you know, let's, let's do this. And then to have them come back and be like, I'm doing it. I'm killing it. I'm, you know, I'm loving life. I made the right decision. I mean, for me, I'm like, nothing's better.Lesley Logan 34:49  That's so cool. I love that. That is so fun, that they get to say that and you get to celebrate with them. It also just lets you be able to turn around until the next person who's worried, like this person was able to do it, and you can do it too. You know. And I think, like, as much as we don't want to look outside ourselves for things, like, sometimes we need proof that what's inside will work, you know, if we, if we work with it. This is Jill, you're so fun. And I think everything you said is applicable to, like, anything we're wanting to do, you know, like, so, thank you so much for sharing that. We're gonna take a brief break and we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, hear more of your amazing words. Lesley Logan 35:24  All right, Jill Allen, where do you hang out? Where can people get to hear more of this wisdom, this advice that you have?Jill Allen 35:32  Sure, sure. So if you wanna check out my website, I know probably most people are not in the orthodontic field, but if you just wanna check out the.Lesley Logan 35:40  They could be being it until they see it to be orthodontics, or maybe their kid is, or maybe. Jill Allen 35:44  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, www.practiceresults.com is my website. I do a podcast called Hey Docs! H-E-Y-D-O-C-S with an exclamation. It comes out every Thursday, and it really is just, you know, business basics. You know, I interview anybody from bankers to real estate to just, just anybody and everybody you know, just, just trying to get good information out out there. And then, if you wanted to reach out to me, you're always welcome to, you know, I'm on Facebook, Jill Allen and Associates, and Instagram as well. So, yeah, just, you know, just any of those places you can you can find me about anywhere. Lesley Logan 36:24  I love it. I'm telling you guys, before I hit record, I was like, Jill on this. I mean, like, you could be, like, you have the best name for anything. You could be a beautiful shoe line, a gorgeous clothing line, you know, a huge law firm like, you just the sky's the limit. You're so great, and you gave us such good stuff already truly, like, I even though I understand, like, oh, I'm like, in this space, but I feel like there's so much in there that, like, we all need to remember. But for the people who are the too long and listen, but want actionable steps, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps do you have for people to be it till they see it?Jill Allen 37:02  You know, I think I'm gonna, I've said this a couple times, but I think anytime you're looking at making a, you know, a decision, just just really sit under the weight of, like, really, truly, what is the worst thing that's going to happen if you move forward with this idea or with this venture. And if you can answer, well, I can handle that, then move forward with it. You know that the beauty of it is we can pivot at any point, and just because you picked a direction doesn't mean you have to stick that direction. And I think you know the beauty of being able to change is, is also going to really just help maneuver you through as you're as you're getting your business or your idea or your vision off of the ground. And then the last thing that you know, that that I always, I've got, I've got two more things that, you know, I kind of live, live by. And sorry, I'm probably going longer than I should. But I, you know, I, I, I truly believe that we can figure out anything. And you know, I have a tattoo on my wrist that says, figure it out. And that has truly been my motto from from the beginning, like there is nothing that we can't figure out. And I guarantee you, if you'll be vulnerable enough to ask somebody for help, successful people will always give you help. They will always give you the right answers. And sometimes it's just a matter of saying, hey, you know, when I didn't understand how to do demographics, or I didn't understand how to read a lease, you know, I would be vulnerable and go out and be like, hey, can you help me understand what triple net means? And people would gladly do it, and now, because of that mentorship, I can mentor others. And so just, just be vulnerable and and don't be afraid to ask. I mean, yes, we've got to have that fake it till you make it, but, but don't, don't be afraid to be vulnerable and ask somebody that knows more. I think most people truly, intrinsically want to help, and, you know, versus want to, you know, squash you and you know, hope that you don't. And then I just, you know, you know, there's a book that that I read, and I'm going to mess up the author's name, but, you know, Brave, Not Perfect. And I believe in that. You know, we should just be brave in what we're doing. We don't need to be perfect. Just, just be brave enough to try it, you know, you'll, you'll come into your own perfection.Lesley Logan 39:23  Yeah, oh, I really, I've not heard that. I want to read that book. I like the title already, and I do agree, like, we can figure it out. And oftentimes, like, if we just actually do what your other thing is, your other point was, was like, what's the worst that's gonna happen? Oftentimes, we actually just have to address the fear that we're having, because then we have that elephant out of the room, and we can actually figure it out. Like, sometimes it's like a two punch. You gotta go, what am I? Why am I struggling so hard to like, what am I afraid of in this conversation? And then, like, go into it. So I agree so much, so applicable to anything in life, not just business. I think it's true. And also you're right, like most people, I didn't grow up like, asking questions. I was like, I should probably know that by now. I should, I should know that by now, and my husband, he'll just ask the question, and I'm like, oh, okay. And then people just answer it, and I'm like, oh yeah, well, that was so that was so easy. Jill Allen 40:14  Yeah, it's easy. Lesley Logan 40:14  That was, that was so easy, you know, because, like, they could just say no, you know, in my life, I've had like, people, like, ask for things to me. I'm like, oh, yeah. And then I'm like, oh, I actually don't have the time to take this on. It's not that I don't want to help you. I just, I'm not in a place to help you in this moment, you know. But, like, that's also not crushing people. It's just, like, an honesty is a really great thing, but it's true, most people will just be like, oh, actually, call this person or it's so and so. Oh, I learned it here. Oh, go read it here. So it's quite it's quite nice. So, Jill, you're so fabulous. And I'm sure we can learn so much about your amazing podcast if we're wanting to do the business stuff. Because, you know what? It all kind of leads itself into the same thing, like everyone has to have good customer journeys, great locations, you know, things that make sense and easy for people to find. So thank you for being you. These tips are amazing. Lesley Logan 41:01  You guys, how are you gonna use them in your life? Let Jill Allen know, let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend, especially anyone who's thinking to be an orthodontist we all know, or maybe you have one, and who they could be better. So share them with Jill Allen. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 42:04  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 42:09  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 42:13  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 42:20  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 42:23  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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The Other Side of Midnight with Lionel offers a different way of thinking that challenges conventional news and headlines, which Lionel states he does not believe. The show delivers stories and questions "you ain't going to hear anybody talk about" by exploring the psychology of news and mind control, examining persuasion techniques (citing Amway and motivational speakers), and dissecting topics where mainstream narratives are questioned: these include controversial social issues like conversion therapy for minors and the nature of sexual identity, legal and political critiques (such as the James Comey perjury charges and the erratic behavior of figures like Katie Porter and Kamala Harris), the psychological control exerted in predatory relationships where men like Bill Bellichick and Alec Baldwin are "whipped", and deep-dive analysis into suspicious events such as the Palisades and Lahaina wildfires, including theories involving directed energy weapons (DEW) and sabotage efforts by Russian and Chinese forces. By fostering suspicion and a fertile imagination (fecundity), Lionel provides the context needed so you "never have to wonder what the heck is going on here" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lionel explores everything from the idea of a cult (including Scientology and the "American Way" of Amway rallies) to the intense "mind control" seen in sports fanatics. The conversation tackles complex relationship dynamics, examining what happens when "love or something else" turns predatory, as seen in caretaker situations and divorce. Plus: A fiery debate over "grandstanding judges" like Judge Judy, the unbelievable defiance of "sovereign citizens" who claim they are only "traveling", and whether customer service is obligated to tell you if you're talking to an AI. Lionel urges listeners to understand persuasion and change the way people think Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ready for the breaking point? In Part 2, we continue Stefan Kolesar's deep dive into the world of Amway—where all those red flags on the shelf finally came crashing down. From mounting disillusionment and classic gaslighting to the pain of leaving behind loyal friends and an imagined future, Stefan shares the raw reality of waking up, grieving, and healing after 13 years inside the culty clutches of MLM life. Plus: why nearly 99% of recruits lose money, what really chaps Stefan's ass about the so-called American Dream, and how true recovery means laughter, therapy, and building community with fellow ex-IBOs.Follow Stefan and Jenna on Instagram @ex.ibo.Also…let it be known that:The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business, individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad.**PRE-ORDER Sarah and Nippy's newest book hereCheck out our amazing sponsorsJoin A Little Bit Culty on PatreonGet poppin' fresh ALBC SwagSupport the pod and smash this linkCheck out our cult awareness and recovery resourcesWatch Sarah's TED Talk and buy her memoir, ScarredCREDITS: Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony AmesProduction Partner: Citizens of SoundCo-Creator: Jess TardyAudio production: Will RetherfordProduction Coordinator: Lesli DinsmoreWriter: Sandra NomotoSocial media team: Eric Skwarzynski and Brooke KeaneTheme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel AsselinSUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/culty.Use code CULTY at MonarchMoney.com in your browser for half off your first year.Go to GetSoul.com and use the code CULTY for 30% off.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What happens when the “American Dream” turns out to be more like the “Amway Nightmare”? On this episode of A Little Bit Culty, we sit down with Stefan Kolesar to dig into his 13 years inside the OG of all MLMs—the so-called “granddaddy” that's even entangled with NXIVM history. From coffee shop pitches and overpriced toothpaste to the hidden “tools” racket that keeps recruits hooked, Stefan breaks down how the system lures people in with promises of purpose, community, and certainty—while quietly bleeding them dry. This is Part 1 of his story: how he and his wife went all in, why it felt like serving something bigger, and how much it ultimately cost to realize it was all smoke and mirrors.Follow Stefan and Jenna on Instagram @ex.ibo.Also…let it be known that:The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business, individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad.**PRE-ORDER Sarah and Nippy's newest book hereCheck out our amazing sponsorsJoin A Little Bit Culty on PatreonGet poppin' fresh ALBC SwagSupport the pod and smash this linkCheck out our cult awareness and recovery resourcesWatch Sarah's TED Talk and buy her memoir, ScarredCREDITS: Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony AmesProduction Partner: Citizens of SoundCo-Creator: Jess TardyAudio production: Will RetherfordProduction Coordinator: Lesli DinsmoreWriter: Sandra NomotoSocial media team: Eric Skwarzynski and Brooke KeaneTheme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel AsselinSUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/culty.Use code CULTY at MonarchMoney.com in your browser for half off your first year.Go to GetSoul.com and use the code CULTY for 30% off.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Teo Galán nos inspira a vivir con propósito y determinación. Descubre cómo pequeñas decisiones diarias pueden llevarte a construir una vida extraordinaria, llena de logros, significado y gratitud. ¡Un episodio que cambiará tu perspectiva!

In Part 2 with Bridget Read, we explore the complexities and legal nuances that allow multi-level marketing (MLM) companies to operate as legitimate businesses, despite the similarities to illegal pyramid schemes. With historical context and references to key legal cases like Amway and the Koscot test, the script dives into how MLMs managed to skirt around laws and thrive. The discussion also ties in political influences, such as the Amway founders' connections with influential conservative movements, and the insidious spread of MLMs globally, exploiting vulnerable populations. Additionally, it touches on the intersection of self-help movements and MLMs, revealing the deep-seated coercion and manipulation involved.Don't forget to read Bridget Read's book, Little Bosses Everywhere and follow her on Instagram @little_bosses_book.Also…let it be known that:The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business, individual, anyone or anything. Nobody's mad at you, just don't be a culty fuckwad.**PRE-ORDER Sarah and Nippy's newest book hereCheck out our amazing sponsorsJoin A Little Bit Culty on PatreonGet poppin' fresh ALBC SwagSupport the pod and smash this linkCheck out our cult awareness and recovery resourcesWatch Sarah's TED TalkCREDITS: Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony AmesProduction Partner: Citizens of SoundCo-Creator: Jess TardyAudio production: Will RetherfordProduction Coordinator: Lesli DinsmoreWriter: Sandra NomotoSocial media team: Eric Skwarzynski and Brooke KeaneTheme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel AsseSUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/culty.Use code CULTY at MonarchMoney.com in your browser for half off your first year.Go to GetSoul.com and use the code CULTY for 30% off.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Quanto GUADAGNANO i Distributori Amway? Dati ufficiali aziendali...In questo breve video vediamo quanto guadagnano i distributori di Amway… e ti anticipo subito che potresti rimanere scioccato. Se hai già guardato altri miei video, podcast o hai letto articoli sul sito NetworkMarketingManager.it, probabilmente avrai notato che spesso mi esprimo in modo critico nei confronti dei metodi tradizionali con cui le aziende e i team costruiscono il loro business. Queste mie affermazioni non sono casuali… Più di una volta ho citato diversi studi che mostrano quanto sia bassa la percentuale di networker che guadagnano realmente dal business. E in questo video vedremo esattamente quanto guadagnano i distributori di Amway. Perché è interessante vedere proprio i guadagni dei distributori Amway? Beh, Amway è l'azienda di network marketing con il maggior fatturato. Quindi i dati che abbiamo da Amway ci danno un'ottima visione un po' di tutto il settore. Come otterremo le informazioni sui guadagni? Devi sapere che alcune delle più conosciute aziende americane di network marketing preparano ogni anno dei report sui guadagni dei loro distributori. Lo fanno perché la Federal Trade Commission (FTC) richiede che tutte le dichiarazioni riguardanti i guadagni siano veritiere, supportate da prove reali e non fuorvianti. Quindi, se ad esempio Amway volesse fare un'affermazione pubblicitaria del tipo “Vuoi anche tu guadagnare la somma X?”, deve essere in grado di dimostrare che ciò è possibile. Per questo ora ho aperto il report del 2023, che è disponibile pubblicamente.

Amway no promete resultados sin esfuerzo, lo que promete es una oportunidad con una gran estructura con todas las posibilidades reales para conquistar nuestros sueños, a través del valor de la libra, empresa y el esfuerzo continuo…

When Anna started dating Jeff he was already deep in Amway, ready to recruit her into his downline. Never at any point in their relationship was Amway not there as a constant third wheel, adding stress, debt and resentment to every day. In this episode we discuss the toxic patriarchal structure alive and well in Amway, the rampant use of faith manipulation and how fast debt accumulates when you're at the top of the pyramid.Show NotesOut of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠How can you help?⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support the Podcast!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Meredith was a single woman living in New York City when she was recruited into Amway. Over the years she devoted her life to the business, she noticed how patriarchal and cookie cutter the entire organization actually was. In our chat we talk about Amway Broadway Dreams, what life and business looks like after MLM and her viral giant cat.Connect with Meredith : Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | WebsiteConnect with Barsik : InstagramAmway Wiki - Vinny and Dayna PappalardoNYC Shelter Takes in Largest Cat They've Ever Seen2025 MLM Conference Social Media PresentationsOut of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠How can you help?⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support the Podcast!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Learn the truth behind Multi Level Marketing with podcast host Tim Ghiorso! He has personal experience working for Herbalife for over a year and also almost signing on to Amway after a couple recruited him. Time to take an in depth look into the world of Multi Level Marketing and discover the truth. Is it really a pyramid scheme? Or is it legit?

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Lionel explores reality TV authenticity and shares personal experiences with "cult-like" groups like Amway and the AME church. He delves into controversial diet theories (cow's milk) and his passion for language. Callers contribute unique insights, discussing Detroit pizza's origins and direct sales like Fuller Brush. The hour concludes with Lionel's anecdotes about music legends and Jerry Wexler, highlighting music's profound impact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this edition of The Other Side of Midnight, Lionel explores his fascination with groups and "cults," drawing on personal experiences with movements like Amway and the AME church. A significant segment highlights the music industry, particularly Jerry Wexler's legacy, his coining of "Rhythm and Blues," and work with Aretha Franklin and the Rolling Stones. Lionel voices profound concern about Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), deeming it an "existential threat" and discussing "nullifyingapps". He encourages questioning official narratives, citing inconsistencies in Anthony Bourdain's death and linking it to other suspicious "suicides". The show explores the nature of addiction as brain chemistry, with insights on painkiller and gambling recovery. Diverse discussions include experiences with door-to-door sales (Fuller Brush, Mary Kay), the unique origins of Detroit-style pizza, and the value of old media like 8-track tapes. Lionel's "logophile" love for words and his past stuttering are also discussed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For most of his young adult life, Kyle was deep in Amway, building a business while sacrificing living an authentic life. It wasn't until the facade began to chip away that he started to see the cracks in the business model, and after a shady experience followed by a betrayal, made a decision that changed his entire life. Show Notes Follow Kyle : Instagram | TikTok | Threads You're Not Crazy : Waking up from the MLM "Dream" by Kyle Humiston Kyle's Website Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ How can you help? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support the Podcast! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For most of his young adult life, Kyle was deep in Amway, building a business while sacrificing living an authentic life. It wasn't until the facade began to chip away that he started to see the cracks in the business model, and after a shady experience followed by a betrayal, made a decision that changed his entire life. Show Notes Follow Kyle : Instagram | TikTok | Threads You're Not Crazy : Waking up from the MLM "Dream" by Kyle Humiston Kyle's Website Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ How can you help? ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Change⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report Fraud⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Truth in Advertising⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support the Podcast! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Kayla Craven⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ RK Gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Alexi Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Andrew Schmidt, Regional President, West Markets at Amway joins Direct Approach to discuss what it means to lead with principle during seasons of change. From flexible income trends and incentive evolution to new segmentation strategies and reputation risks, Andrew offers a grounded perspective on what's fixed, what's flexible—and why clarity is the foundation of trust.

Journalist Bridget Read talks with Moira and Adrian about the most American of scams, the multi-level marketing (MLM) scheme. Companies like Amway, Mary Kay and Herbalife have had an outsize impact on American politics, and have been an insidious and at times covert part of the backlash against women's liberation, labor organizing and civil rights. This one has it all: eugenics, scammy Stanford-grads, and alfalfa. So much alfalfa. Bridget's book on the pyramid scheme, Little Bosses Everywhere, is on sale now and is absolutely fantastic!

Multi-level marketing businesses like Mary Kay, HerbaLife, and Amway are so ubiquitous, it's almost hard to imagine where they started or how deep their influence goes. In this special episode of Scamfluencers, Sarah Hagi talks with Bridget Read about her new book, Little Bosses Everywhere: How the Pyramid Scheme Shaped America. She spent years researching the origins of the “pyramid scheme,” a twist on the classic Ponzi scam, and she talks about who is most vulnerable to these massive, billion-dollar frauds, and why they've become unavoidable today. Be the first to know about Wondery's newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterListen to Scamfluencers on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/scamfluencers/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

For decades, multi-level marketing (or MLM) companies like Amway and Mary Kay have made the promise that people could become their own bosses, earn extra income and work flexible hours under the umbrella of a globally recognized brand. But in reality, the success rates for people working in multi-level marketing “are closer to those of gamblers in a casino.” That's according to Bridget Read, author of the new book “Little Bosses Everywhere.” We talk to Read about the rise of the MLM model and why she says it helped fuel the modern conservative movement. Guests: Bridget Read, features writer, New York Magazine - author of the book “Little Bosses Everywhere: How the Pyramid Scheme Shaped America Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of the Cult Vault Podcast, Kacey and Darren Mudd delve into the world of multi-level marketing (MLM), specifically focusing on Amway. Darren shares his personal experience of being recruited into Amway during a vulnerable time in his life, highlighting the psychological tactics used by recruiters to exploit emotional states. The conversation explores the cult-like dynamics of university environments, the early warning signs of MLMs, and the brainwashing techniques employed through a structured learning curriculum. As the discussion progresses, they examine the challenges of recruitment, the illusion of success, and the growing dependency on the system, ultimately shedding light on the manipulative nature of MLMs and the emotional toll they can take on individuals. Darren's recollections of participating in the Amway Pyramid Scheme as a university student:Amway Pyramid SchemeDavid's brother joined AMWAY In the UK as an IBO, quickly became obsessed with it, and took control of the family's capital assetsAMWAY In the UKThe tools/training business (an unofficial organisation) was based in Somerset and supposedly meant to “help” people build the Amway business through mentorship and materials - this was the actual cult whereas Amway was the pyramid scheme.Amway and one of its tools/training businessesGet in Touch or Support: Patreon - patreon.com/thecultvaultCrimecon UK 2025 https://www.crimecon.co.uk - use code CULT for 10% off tickets!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cultvaultpod/Twitter: https://twitter.com/CultVaultPodReddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/Cult-VaultGmail: cultvaultpodcast@gmail.com

CHROs, your role has never been more vital or more complex. AI, shifting politics, hybrid work, and evolving employee expectations, have taken the front seat in today's world of work. The future says you're no longer just managing HR, you're redefining the workplace itself. That's exactly why I launched Future of Work Leaders, a supportive global community built specifically for CHROs who are ready to move beyond traditional HR and are committed to building future-ready organizations.  In this episode, I share highlights from our very first 2025 gathering, where CHROs from some of the world's most respected brands came together to discuss the real challenges and opportunities shaping the future of work. I'm taking you behind the scenes of our inaugural Future of Work Leaders CHRO event, hosted at the Neiman Marcus Innovation Hub in Dallas. We brought together 40 CHROs from organizations like Johnson & Johnson, Northrop Grumman, Tractor Supply, Amway, and others to have deep, honest conversations about what's really driving change today. Topics like the evolving role of DEI, AI integration, hybrid work models, culture transformation, and even the political climate's impact on work. ________________ Start your day with the world's top leaders by joining thousands of others at Great Leadership on Substack. Just enter your email: ⁠⁠https://greatleadership.substack.com/

Multilevel marketing – or MLM – first became popular in the period that followed World War II. Since then, millions have tried their luck as salespeople for companies like Amway, Mary Kay, Cutco and Herbalife. MLMs offer themselves as low-cost paths to entrepreneurship, but very few of their participants are able to earn a living wage. A new book Little Bosses Everywhere by Bridget Read traces the history and culture of the MLM industry. In today's episode, Read speaks with NPR's Ayesha Rascoe about why this business model flourishes in economic uncertainty, the unregulated nature of the industry, and the blurred lines between MLMs and pyramid schemes.To listen to Book of the Day sponsor-free and support NPR's book coverage, sign up for Book of the Day+ at plus.npr.org/bookofthedayLearn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Happy Hump Day, yo. Looks like we'll get some more nice weather today & tomorrow before some potentially dangerous storms move through the area tomorrow night. In the news this morning, a federal grand jury indicted Hannah Dugan, the Menendez brothers got resentenced, a class action lawsuit against Apple could put some money in your pocket, a man in Manitowoc has been indicted on federal charges for crimes against minors, a Madison woman allegedly shot someone over an argument on social media, Ziploc is getting sued, and the alligator from "Happy Gilmore" passed away. In sports, the Brewers lost AGAIN to the Guardians last night, we recapped the games in the NBA and the lone game in the NHL, and we took a look at tonight's NBA & NHL playoff match-ups. Plus, an owner in the NHL has been suspended by the league for some comments on social media. Elsewhere in sports, a look at some of the games on the NFL schedule that got "leaked" yesterday, and MLB is finally rescinding it's ban on Pete Rose & "Shoeless" Joe Jackson. We talked about what's on TV tonight and we discussed a new health "hack" that basically involves eating the same thing every single meal of every single day. Sounds boring. A woman from Ohio claims a video on TikTok might have saved her life. And another woman from Texas threw a party for her cat that ended up saving a local animal shelter. We discussed a Reddit poll about hobbies that are "red flags". And in today's edition of "Bad News with Happy Music", we had stories about exploding birds, a misspelling that led to an arrest, a massage parlor that got busted for prostitution, a baby that was being eaten by a large rat, and a guy whacking off in a shed in a Lowe's parking lot.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Todaywe will be looking at a new chapter, Luke chapter 18. Over 50 years ago when I was in BibleCollege in Lynchburg, I went to Winchester, Virginia, to be a part of startinga new church, Shenandoah Valley Baptist Church. Right after I graduated in1975, I became the senior pastor of the church. Shortly after that, I met adear friend who greatly influenced our lives and greatly encouraged andassisted us in my early days of ministry. His name was Dave Sisler. Wewere very sorry and sad to hear that Dave went to be with the Lord earlier thisweek. He was someone who invested in us in many different ways. One of the wayshe tried to help us, I'll never forget, was taking me and my brother-in-law,Ronnie Riggins, to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, because we were getting ready toplant a new church up there. Ronnie was going to go up there and meet somepeople and start a church, and we were excited about that. So Dave took us upto Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and he introduced us to a man that he knew by thename of Charlie “Tremendous” Jones. Dave was involved in Amway in a really bigway, and Charlie Tremendous Jones was one of the top motivational speakers inthe world at that time and spoke at the Amway conventions. So Dave personallyknew him. I'llnever forget our first meeting with Charlie Tremendous Jones there inHarrisburg, Pennsylvania, in his bookstore with Ronnie Riggins and Dave. That'sa longer story, but Charlie Tremendous Jones, over the years, also became apart of the church that was started there with Ronnie, and became a friend ofours too. One of the things that Charlie was famous for saying is, “Two thingswill change your life more than anything else in the next five years are thepeople you meet and the books you read.” Isaid all that to first give honor to my friend Dave Sisler. He's going to begreatly missed by many people, especially his family, but also to make a point.The Bible is a book of people. If you want to learn the Bible, learn the peopleof the Bible. God introduces us to people in the Bible, and through thesepeople, the main person we meet is God Himself. When you meet people, you meetthem in their books, you meet them in their lives, you meet them in theirstories, and your life can be forever changed because. And especially throughthe people of the Bible, you meet God. Now,in this story in front of us today in Luke chapter 18, Jesus is teaching alesson about prayer, that men ought always to pray, not to faint, not to giveup hope. This parable is teaching us that either we're going to be praying, orwe're going to be fainting, quitting, throwing up our hands, throwing in thetowel, and walking away from our Christianity. The importance and the power andplace of prayer that Jesus speaks about here is wonderful. SoJesus told this parable, saying, “There was in a certain city a judge whodid not fear God nor regard man. Now there was a widow in that city, and shecame to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.' And he would notfor a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear Godnor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me, I will avenge her, lest byher continual coming she weary me.'” Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjustjudge said. And shall not God avenge His own elect who cry out day and night toHim, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge themspeedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on theearth?” Forthe next few days, we'll be talking about this parable and the three people inthis story that we're going to meet: the widow lady, the unjust judge, and thewidow's adversary. Through them, we're going to hear and learn about how greatour God is to take care of us when we cry out to Him day and night. Todayyou might think about who you're going to meet and how you can influence theirlives or maybe how they might influence your life.

Die Preise für Container sind für viele schwer greifbar, doch sie sind ein entscheidender Wirtschaftsfaktor. Ein Container kann Tausende Dollar kosten – und beeinflusst direkt, was wir im Alltag zahlen. Bo und Marcus nehmen das Phänomen unter die Lupe.**********In dieser Folge:00:02:03 - Vom Holzfass zu Hightech –Eine Stahlbox erobert die Welt00:09:45 - Auf der ganzen Welt - Wie der Container-Index explodieren kann00:15:21 - Deutschland - Wie gehts den Containern hier?00:19:40 - Fazit / Wahres für Bares**********An dieser Folge waren beteiligt: Gesprächspartner: Gordon Wilmsmeier, Logistikexperte an der Kühne Logistics University, Hamburg Gesprächspartner: Andreas Atrott, Container-Start-Up-Unternehmer Hosts: Marcus Wolf und Bo Hyun Kim Recherche und Faktencheck: Merle Körbele und Andreas Schöllig Produktion: Marcell Christmann Redaktion: Anne Göbel**********Die Quellen zur Folge:Bernhofen, David M.; El-Sahli, Zaki; Kneller, Richard (2014): Estimating the effects of the container revolution on world trade. George Washington University. Statista Research Department. (2024). Containertransportmenge in der weltweiten Seeschifffahrt von 2018 bis 2024 [Graph]. In Statista. Zugriff am 14. April 2025Gerson, A. (2023): Stranding of the Mega-Ship Ever Given in the Suez Canal: Causes, Consequences, and Lessons to Be Learned. In: Lutmar, C.; Rubinovitz, Z. (Hrsg.): The Suez Canal: Past Lessons and Future Challenges. Palgrave Studies in Maritime Politics and Security. Palgrave Macmillan. Allianz SE (2021): The Suez Canal Ship Is Not the Only Thing Clogging Global Trade**********Weitere Beiträge zum Thema:Finanzmärkte: Das schwierige Verhältnis zur DemokratieKryptowährung: Wie Bitcoin durch Rechenpower entstehen Tupper, Amway und Co.: Die vielen Leben des Netzwerkmarketings**********Habt ihr auch manchmal einen WTF-Moment, wenn es um Wirtschaft und Finanzen geht? Wir freuen uns über eure Themenvorschläge und Feedback an whatthewirtschaft@deutschlandfunknova.de.**********Den Artikel zum Stück findet ihr hier.**********Ihr könnt uns auch auf diesen Kanälen folgen: TikTok und Instagram .

Note: "Act 1" was a separate published audio podcast.*Get a FREE 7 day trial to Patreon to "try it out."*Watch the show live, daily at 8AM EST on Twitch! Please click here to follow the page.Email the show on the Shoreliners Striping inbox: eric@ericzaneshow.comTopics:*EZ's pal, Adam Casari was in a bad wreck at Berlin.*Audience members thirsting for Adam want to nurse him back to health.*The time EZ got scammed doing Amway.*Minivan dude runs Harley dude off the road.*Michigan guy gets face transplant.*GoFundMe for face transplant guy.Asshole of the DaySponsors:Adam Casari Realty, Impact Power Sports, Frank Fuss / My Policy Shop Insurance, Kings Room Barbershop, The Mario Flores Lakeshore Team of VanDyk Mortgage, Shoreliners Striping, Ervines Auto Repair Grand Rapids Hybrid & EV, TC PaintballInterested in advertising? Email eric@ericzaneshow.com and let me design a marketing plan for you.Contact: Shoreliners Striping inbox eric@ericzaneshow.comDiscord LinkEZSP TikTokSubscribe to my YouTube channelHire me on Cameo!Tshirts available herePlease subscribe, rate & write a review on Apple Podcastspatreon.com/ericzaneInstagram: ericzaneshowTwitterSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-eric-zane-show-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello! Today we have on Bridget Read, the author of a great new book called “Little Bosses Everywhere: How the Pyramid Scheme Shaped America.” (Out today!) We talk about the history of the MLM (multi-level marketing) from its alleged origins with the Yankee peddler and the frontier and the more insidious real story of eugenicists, scammers, and quackery. A lot of questions you might have about pyramid schemes and MLMs will be answered here: Why do they all do vitamins and supplements? Why did AmWay and the DeVos family have such a hold on Trump? Great book. Take a listen. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodbye.substack.com/subscribe

Three years ago Bridget Read reached out to me to talk about my experiences in AntiMLM Advocacy for a book she was writing at the time. Today Bridget is here to talk about that very book, Little Bosses Everywhere, which comes out May 6th! In our chat we discuss the early days of the Health and Wellness industry, MLMs, and Amway's connections to American government. Show Notes Connect with Bridget! : Instagram Grab your copy of Little Bosses Everywhere now! 2025 MLM Conference Stanford historian traces military's influence on modern American nutrition Amway & Politics (You Tube) Out of MLM⁠ ⁠The BITE Model⁠ ⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠ ⁠MLM Dupes⁠ How can you help? ⁠MLM Change⁠ ⁠Report Fraud⁠ ⁠Truth in Advertising⁠ ⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠ ⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠ Support the Podcast! ⁠Website⁠ |⁠ Patreon⁠ |⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠ |⁠ TikTok⁠ |⁠ Instagram⁠ |⁠ Facebook⁠ |⁠ YouTube⁠ |⁠ Discord⁠ |⁠ Merch!⁠ Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠ Kayla Craven⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠ RK Gold⁠, and⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by ⁠Alexi Action⁠ *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Three years ago Bridget Read reached out to me to talk about my experiences in AntiMLM Advocacy for a book she was writing at the time. Today Bridget is here to talk about that very book, Little Bosses Everywhere, which comes out May 6th! In our chat we discuss the early days of the Health and Wellness industry, MLMs, and Amway's connections to American government. Show Notes Connect with Bridget! : Instagram Grab your copy of Little Bosses Everywhere now! 2025 MLM Conference Stanford historian traces military's influence on modern American nutrition Amway & Politics (You Tube) Out of MLM⁠ ⁠The BITE Model⁠ ⁠LAMLM Book Club⁠ ⁠MLM Dupes⁠ How can you help? ⁠MLM Change⁠ ⁠Report Fraud⁠ ⁠Truth in Advertising⁠ ⁠Report to your state Attorney General's office!⁠ ⁠Not in the U.S.? No Problem!⁠ Support the Podcast! ⁠Website⁠ |⁠ Patreon⁠ |⁠ Buy Me a Taco⁠ |⁠ TikTok⁠ |⁠ Instagram⁠ |⁠ Facebook⁠ |⁠ YouTube⁠ |⁠ Discord⁠ |⁠ Merch!⁠ Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely⁠ Kayla Craven⁠, video editing by the indescribable⁠ RK Gold⁠, and⁠ Michelle Carpenter⁠ is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by ⁠Alexi Action⁠ *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you a Chief Human Resource Officer trying to find a meaningful and affordable peer group that's NOT stuck in the past? I'm glad you found this episode because you're about to discover a CHRO community that's building the future of work as we speak. After speaking with over 100 CHROs for my book on employee experience, I kept hearing the same frustrations about existing groups with overpriced memberships, bloated conferences, constant sales pitches, outdated content, and a total lack of real value. So I decided to do something about it. In this episode, I'm pulling back the curtain on "Future of Work Leaders," a new community built for CHROs, by CHROs. It's an intimate group focused on one thing only: insight-rich conversations for forward-thinking CHROs like you. If you're a CHRO who's done playing by old rules and wants to connect with other future-ready leaders from companies like Johnson & Johnson, Northrop Grumman, Dow, Amway, and more, consider this your invite.   ________________ Start your day with the world's top leaders by joining thousands of others at Great Leadership on Substack. Just enter your email: ⁠⁠https://greatleadership.substack.com/

Ep. 226: Running marathons shaped this CEO's 35-year rise from “Amway Project Intern” to the corner office. From his first days at Amway to overseeing 14,000 employees in 100 countries, Michael reflects on his journey to teach you:  How to avoid creating a culture where people are panicked to fail Why raising your hand opens the door to leadership growth—and what it really means to say yes to opportunity What running marathons taught him about clarity and leadership Our BONUS RESOURCE for this episode includes Don's favorite quotes from today's episode and a reflection question so you can apply today's insights.  Do you want to write a book? In my new role as Publisher at Forbes Books and with the incredible resources and expertise of their team, we're making it easier than ever to help YOU to tell your story. Send us a message here to get started: https://books.forbes.com/don/  Looking for a speaker for your next event? From more than 30 years of interviewing and studying the greatest winners of all time Don offers these live and virtual presentations built to inspire your team towards personal and professional greatness.  Special thanks to Joey Morris and Anthony Dickinson for making this episode possible.

In today's episode, Mr. F joins us to chat about the future of health and wellness trends and the closing of the MLM Modere. Plus, Nandi returns to share her experiences using Nutrilite products during her time in Amway, and some of the more ridiculous products in their lineup.Show Notes Nutrilite WikiNSF InternationalAmway FarmsBlue Light Vitamins for Eyes (Amazon)Nutrilite ProductsOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch!Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In today's episode, Mr. F joins us to chat about the future of health and wellness trends and the closing of the MLM Modere. Plus, Nandi returns to share her experiences using Nutrilite products during her time in Amway, and some of the more ridiculous products in their lineup. Show Notes Nutrilite Wiki NSF International Amway Farms Blue Light Vitamins for Eyes (Amazon) Nutrilite Products Out of MLM The BITE Model LAMLM Book Club MLM Dupes How can you help? MLM Change Report Fraud Truth in Advertising Report to your state Attorney General's office! Not in the U.S.? No Problem! Support the Podcast! Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch! Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Could You Be Manipulated Like the Manson Family? The Psychology of Cults What makes a person look at Charles Manson and think, “Yeah, this guy seems like a great life coach”? For most of us, his wild-eyed ranting and swastika-scarred forehead scream “run,” but for his devoted followers, he was the ultimate guru. So how did this failed musician and career criminal convince a group of lost souls to commit some of the most infamous murders in history? Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott joins Tony Brueski to dissect the twisted psychology of Manson—his extreme narcissism, manipulative genius, and uncanny ability to prey on the vulnerable. Was he a true believer in his own Helter Skelter fantasy, or just an opportunistic con man who knew how to play the game? And more importantly, could anyone be pulled into a cult like his under the right circumstances? If Leslie Van Houten can get parole, can we ever really trust that someone has escaped the psychological grip of a cult? Or is there always a risk they'll be selling Amway by the end of the week? #TrueCrime #CharlesManson #CultPsychology #MindControl #HiddenKillers #ShavaunScott #CrimeAnalysis Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Could You Be Manipulated Like the Manson Family? The Psychology of Cults What makes a person look at Charles Manson and think, “Yeah, this guy seems like a great life coach”? For most of us, his wild-eyed ranting and swastika-scarred forehead scream “run,” but for his devoted followers, he was the ultimate guru. So how did this failed musician and career criminal convince a group of lost souls to commit some of the most infamous murders in history? Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott joins Tony Brueski to dissect the twisted psychology of Manson—his extreme narcissism, manipulative genius, and uncanny ability to prey on the vulnerable. Was he a true believer in his own Helter Skelter fantasy, or just an opportunistic con man who knew how to play the game? And more importantly, could anyone be pulled into a cult like his under the right circumstances? If Leslie Van Houten can get parole, can we ever really trust that someone has escaped the psychological grip of a cult? Or is there always a risk they'll be selling Amway by the end of the week? #TrueCrime #CharlesManson #CultPsychology #MindControl #HiddenKillers #ShavaunScott #CrimeAnalysis Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Show Notes Episode 495: Avon, Amway and Tupperware, OH MY! This week host Dave Bledsoe devises a plan where he recruits two people to pay for his drinks and they recruit two people to pay for their drinks and one of his, everyone profits. (It didn't work because no one likes him enough to buy even ONE drink for him.) On the show this week we took a look back at side hustles in the 70's and 80's (And maybe by some Tupperware.) Along the way we learn that Dave might not be the worst uncle out there? Then we dive into the history of direct sales in America (Buy Farmwhoofer, buy the best!) before we head back to the beginnings of an American institution and how it made generations of American women feel pretty.  Then we move right along to the origin story of all those plastic bowls with missing lids in your parent's kitchen cabinets. (Seriously, none of these lids fit any of the bowls we have!) Then we talk about the granddaddy of multi level marketing scams. (Allegedly) And how Amway created something kind of like a cult around selling generic crap and how it is screwing us even today! Our Sponsor this week is Ponz-Co, we promise it's not illegal.  We open with the burp to seal wonder of Tupperware and close with Chutes and Ladders who are falling in love with the Avon Lady! Show Theme: Hypnostate Prelude to Common Sense The Show on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/whatthehellpodcast.bsky.social The Show on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/whatthehellpodcast/ The Show on Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjxP5ywpZ-O7qu_MFkLXQUQ The Show on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whatthehellwereyouthinkingpod/ Our Discord Server: https://discord.gg/kHmmrjptrq Our Website: www.whatthehellpodcast.com Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/Whatthehellpodcast The Show Line: 347 687 9601 Closer:https://soundcloud.com/chutesandladdersmusic/avon-lady?in=chutesandladdersmusic/sets/cosmetics&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing Buy Our Stuff: https://www.seltzerkings.com/shop Citations Needed: Avon's History https://www.reps-r-us.co.uk/avons-history/ Secret History Of: Tupperware https://www.independent.co.uk/property/interiors/secret-history-of-tupperware-2100910.html Social Marketing Before the Internet https://www.womenshistory.org/articles/social-marketing-internet How Does Amway Work? A comprehensive guide https://www.amway.com/en_US/amway-insider/about-amway/how-does-amway-work Inside ScAmway The alluring life offered by the world's largest 'multi-marketing' business closely resembles a sham. https://www.culteducation.com/group/815-amway/1710-inside-scamways.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mariah spent almost her entire 20's in Amway, in a pyramid filled with family members. Throughout their time in LTD, Mariah and her husband faced a multitude of health and wellness struggles including miscarriage, an emergency bowel restructuring, and a scary mystery illness and diagnosis. The most common denominator? Amway.Show NotesAdverse reaction to a dietary supplement in an elderly patient (PubMed)Health hazards caused by Amway Nutrilite (Reddit)Amway making false, misleading health claims for Nutrilite DailyOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch!Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mariah spent almost her entire 20's in Amway, in a pyramid filled with family members. Throughout their time in LTD, Mariah and her husband faced a multitude of health and wellness struggles including miscarriage, an emergency bowel restructuring, and a scary mystery illness and diagnosis. The most common denominator? Amway. Show Notes Adverse reaction to a dietary supplement in an elderly patient (PubMed) Health hazards caused by Amway Nutrilite (Reddit) Amway making false, misleading health claims for Nutrilite Daily Out of MLM The BITE Model LAMLM Book Club MLM Dupes How can you help? MLM Change Report Fraud Truth in Advertising Report to your state Attorney General's office! Not in the U.S.? No Problem! Support the Podcast! Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch! Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Who doesn't love a good and juicy MLM story about the dangers of dating in your downline? Now add Amway to the mix, and we've got a hilariously honest and vulnerable origin story about Matt and his wife Tracey, and all the sick mind games the IBOs in LTD played with them along the way. It's been over 16 years since they've relived some of these stories, so thanks for taking us on this journey and being so real.Show Notesr/AntiMLM : Color StreetHow to Stop Worrying and Start LivingOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch!Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025.Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Who doesn't love a good and juicy MLM story about the dangers of dating in your downline? Now add Amway to the mix, and we've got a hilariously honest and vulnerable origin story about Matt and his wife Tracey, and all the sick mind games the IBOs in LTD played with them along the way. It's been over 16 years since they've relived some of these stories, so thanks for taking us on this journey and being so real. Show Notes r/AntiMLM : Color Street How to Stop Worrying and Start Living Out of MLM The BITE Model LAMLM Book Club MLM Dupes How can you help? MLM Change Report Fraud Truth in Advertising Report to your state Attorney General's office! Not in the U.S.? No Problem! Support the Podcast! Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch! Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2025. Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Merry Christmas Huns! We've got a bit of Holiday Magic brewing with a special Yuletide episode, filled with all the themes we've come to love over here at Life After MLM; Cultiness, Evangelical Christianity, and Amway. Meet Hope Kraal, who as a former WWDB IBO has a lot to say about World Wide Dream Builders and Amway, including how they use faith manipulation, deceit, the patriarchy to get ahead.Show NotesConnect with Hope : InstagramHamburger UniversityLove and RespectSheila Wray GregoireOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch!Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2024.Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Merry Christmas Huns! We've got a bit of Holiday Magic brewing with a special Yuletide episode, filled with all the themes we've come to love over here at Life After MLM; Cultiness, Evangelical Christianity, and Amway. Meet Hope Kraal, who as a former WWDB IBO has a lot to say about World Wide Dream Builders and Amway, including how they use faith manipulation, deceit, the patriarchy to get ahead. Show Notes Connect with Hope : Instagram Hamburger University Love and Respect Sheila Wray Gregoire Out of MLM The BITE Model LAMLM Book Club MLM Dupes How can you help? MLM Change Report Fraud Truth in Advertising Report to your state Attorney General's office! Not in the U.S.? No Problem! Support the Podcast! Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch! Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2024. Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action *Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are wrapping up our month of Amway stories by taking a hard look at the accountability factor of Multi Level Marketing and how it harms it's participants in more ways than just financial. Nandi thought she was in a loving relationship, working together toward the future, but realized there were other factors making decisions and pulling the strings. We talk about how Covid affected the business and the performative nature of the Clownshow of MLM regardless of the circumstances.Show NotesLuLaRoe $164M LawsuitConnect with Nandi : InstagramDo Tell PodcastThe Toxic Influence of Andrew TateOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco | TikTok | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Discord | Merch!Life After MLM is produced by Roberta Blevins. Audio editing is done by the lovely Kayla Craven, video editing by the indescribable RK Gold, and Michelle Carpenter is our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots. Life After MLM is owned by Roberta Blevins 2024.Music : Abstract World by Alexi Action*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.