Podcasts about Viola Liuzzo

MLK leads marchers from Selma to Montgomery; accusations of gas warfare in Vietnam; RFK scales Mt. Kennedy; Viola Liuzzo is murdered; two astronauts are honored; the NBA playoffs are off and running. Newscaster: Joe Rubenstein.     Support this project on Patreon!

What do you know about white history? In this special episode of Over the Top, Under the Radar, Carys and Gary discuss the Slave Compensation Act of 1837, William Wilberforce, Viola Liuzzo, and Henry VIII. Plus: Are beige cords appropriate red carpet attire, and how many Tudor dramas are too many Tudor dramas?Support us on PATREON - to get bonus episodes, a weekly newsletter and become a part of our members-only WhatsApp community, plus many other extra features.Email us at info@overunderpod.comSign up to the newsletter at www.overunderpod.comFollow us on all socials @over_under_pod_Produced & Edited by Sarah MylesExecutive Producer - Andrew SpenceVisuals by J10XJJ Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Looking to bag yourself a cheap summer holiday - we've got all the tips for you. Nicola's TV tip this week is for Fallout, video game-based post apocalyptic goodness. Out Fox of the Week this week is civil rights campaigner Viola Liuzzo.Our follow this week is 100% wholesome - it's for @Peggyandmolly on a variety of social media.Finally, out music news is about Knee Caps new single. These guys are smashing it - and more power to them.Thanks for listening! x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join Fourth Universalist and Rev. David Carl Olson for a reflection on the lives and legacies of two martyrs to faith: Oscar Romero of El Salvador and Viola Liuzzo of Detroit. The Christian story of the week from Palm Sunday to Easter begins with a parade, and becomes the story of struggle and transformation. These two leaders lived as if the transforming power of faith were indeed true. Today's podcast features a reflection and further discussion of our March 24th, 2024 Service with Rev. David Carl Olson Time Stamps: Reflection: 00:07 Discussion: 14:14 This podcast is part of our Sunday Reflection and Discussion series, where we share the reflections from our Sunday Services, with additional discussion about concepts found in the Service. The podcast in audio form can be found at: https://soundcloud.com/thefourthudimension And on our YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/c/fourthuniversalistsociety Learn more about Fourth Universalist Society at 4thu.org .

The Congress wants to ban Tik Tok so that is a good reason for Harvey and Jim to join Tik Tok to see why and we think we found out. It is all about the young people getting their news. Nothing is going to freak Congress out more than young people getting independent news. Then we talk about an article from Al Jazeera relating Rachel Corrie to Aaron Bushnell to Viola Liuzzo and other people recognized by the marginalized. We finish up wondering about the hullabaloo surrounding the Oscars and the movie Zone of Interest.

City University of New York Art Crime Professor Erin Thompson joins the Detroit Today podcast to discuss America's tradition of creating monuments, and why we decide to honor particular people. Then, City of Detroit Historian Jamon Jordan explains who Viola Liuzzo was, and why a new memorial was unveiled yesterday of her and her friend, Sara Evans.

Goodness me! Mark Meadows has rolled on Tangerine Tiberius. Entire cases of catsup must be flying around MAGA-Loco. What's worse, Meadow's lawyer awoke Tuesday only to have a knot jerked in his tail by Fanni Willis. Lori Carleton's (say her name) murderer was radicalized, of course, by a stochastic terrorist. She joins another martyr from generations past: Viola Liuzzo. Oh, and it's the Fascism, y'all! 

Episode Description: Being a “Karen” has become a popular term for a white woman who is racist. Now in this provocative documentary, “Deconstructing Karen” , Director/ Producer Patty Ivins, along with Saira Rao and Regina Jackson of “Race to Dinner” , allow white women to experience what RADICAL HONESTY ABOUT RACISM looks like…their daily role in upholding it, their conditioning to ignore it and the essential part they can play in tearing down the systems that are killing black and brown people every single day. Saira and Regina are also NYT best selling authors of the book White Women: Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and how to do Better. This episode is a candid conversation about our inherent racism and where we are in America today. Discover how you can stop being “nice” at the expense of your own racism. Show Notes: Watch the Documentary Deconstructing Karen: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/deconstructing-karen/id1654085496?ls=1 Buy the book (if you're white please by 10 copies and give them out like I am) Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better https://amzn.to/3Vaz1lu Guest Bios: Regina Jackson: Born in Chicago in 1950 Regina remembers an America where everything was in Black and white. Burned into her memory are; the beatings and horrific treatment of civil rights workers throughout the south, the Goodman, Chaney & Schwerner murders, the murder of Viola Liuzzo, the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the murders of President John Kennedy and his brother Robert. The violence perpetrated on innocent people going about their lives, by white people. It is these memories that drive Regina to push for real change in America. Which is why she co-founded Race 2 Dinner. Saira (NOT Sara) Rao: Saira grew up in Richmond, Virginia, the daughter of Indian immigrants. For forty years, she wasted her precious time aspiring to be white and accepted by dominant white society, a futile task for anyone not born with white skin. Several years ago, Saira began the painful process of dismantling her own internalized oppression. Saira is a lawyer-by-training, a former congressional candidate, a published novelist and an entrepreneur. Saira and Regina are co-founders of Race2Dinner. Patty Ivins: Patty Ivins is an Emmy-award winning producer, director and writer dedicated to making films about humanity that inspire and challenge audiences, including documentaries about womanhood (Logo's HUNGRY, Discovery's Mean Girls Mind Games, PBS's Girls on the Wall), equality (Logo's Light in the Water) and human rights/white supremacy (Deconstructing Karen). Patty believes in anti-racism work and continues to deconstruct her own inner Karen and to walk in Regina Jackson's wisdom to have the courage to “call a thing a thing.”

Being a “Karen” has become a popular term for a white woman who is racist. Now in this provocative documentary, “Deconstructing Karen” , Director/ Producer Patty Ivins, along with Saira Rao and Regina Jackson of “Race to Dinner” , allow white women to experience what RADICAL HONESTY ABOUT RACISM looks like…their daily role in upholding it, their conditioning to ignore it and the essential part they can play in tearing down the systems that are killing black and brown people every single day. Saira and Regina are also NYT best selling authors of the book White Women: Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and how to do Better. This episode is a candid conversation about our inherent racism and where we are in America today. Discover how you can stop being “nice” at the expense of your own racism. Show Notes: Watch the Documentary Deconstructing Karen: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/deconstructing-karen/id1654085496?ls=1 Buy the book (if you're white please by 10 copies and give them out like I am) Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better https://amzn.to/3Vaz1lu Guest Bios: Regina Jackson: Born in Chicago in 1950 Regina remembers an America where everything was in Black and white. Burned into her memory are; the beatings and horrific treatment of civil rights workers throughout the south, the Goodman, Chaney & Schwerner murders, the murder of Viola Liuzzo, the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the murders of President John Kennedy and his brother Robert. The violence perpetrated on innocent people going about their lives, by white people. It is these memories that drive Regina to push for real change in America. Which is why she co-founded Race 2 Dinner. Saira (NOT Sara) Rao: Saira grew up in Richmond, Virginia, the daughter of Indian immigrants. For forty years, she wasted her precious time aspiring to be white and accepted by dominant white society, a futile task for anyone not born with white skin. Several years ago, Saira began the painful process of dismantling her own internalized oppression. Saira is a lawyer-by-training, a former congressional candidate, a published novelist and an entrepreneur. Saira and Regina are co-founders of Race2Dinner. Patty Ivins: Patty Ivins is an Emmy-award winning producer, director and writer dedicated to making films about humanity that inspire and challenge audiences, including documentaries about womanhood (Logo's HUNGRY, Discovery's Mean Girls Mind Games, PBS's Girls on the Wall), equality (Logo's Light in the Water) and human rights/white supremacy (Deconstructing Karen). Patty believes in anti-racism work and continues to deconstruct her own inner Karen and to walk in Regina Jackson's wisdom to have the courage to “call a thing a thing.”

Episode 49: The American Court SystemGuest: Izac Graves and Rose Carina  Dewhitt interviews two more of his fall 2022 Heartland Community College Introduction to Criminal Justice students, Izac Graves and Rose Carina. Rose attended Moline High School in Moline, Illinois and Izac attended Clinton High School in Clinton, Illinois. Dewhitt, Izac and Rose discuss the following:  The start of school yearTheir career goalThe CourtsThurgood MarshallCharles HoustonConstance Baker MotleyViola LiuzzoKetanji Brown Jackson4th amendment5th amendmentDual court systemCriminal courtCivil courtPreponderance of evidenceBeyond a Reasonable doubtFederal court systemState court systemUnited States Supreme CourtWhite Supremacy Black Lives MatterThe Capital insurrectionWhat they would Like the Biden Administration to AccomplishYou can listen to the JFA Podcast Show wherever you get your podcast, by clicking on one of the links below. https://dlbspodcast.buzzsprout.com https://blog.feedspot.com/social_justice_podcasts/ https://peculiarbooks.org    Also if you are interested in exercise and being healthy check out the Top 20 Triathlon Podcasts.https://blog.feedspot.com/triathlon_podcasts/  

In 1965, civil rights activist Viola Liuzzo was fatally shot during a car chase when she was pursued by four members of the KKK after she had been shuttling civil rights protestors back to the airport.Except, this is in a Southern State, so justice isn't easily forthcoming.And even the architect of the murder itself isn't all he seems...Lots of surprises in this one, not least how we manage to end up talking about The Phantom Menace... See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Tina Andrews is an international award-winning writer, director, and producer. She wrote and executive produced the 4-hour CBS miniseries, Sally Hemings: An American Scandal on Thomas Jefferson and his enslaved mistress for which she won the Writers Guild of America Award for “Outstanding Longform Television,” and two NAACP Image Awards for “Outstanding TV Movie, Miniseries or Special” and “Outstanding Literary, Nonfiction” for her book. Andrews also wrote and executive produced the CBS miniseries, Jackie Bouvier Kennedy Onassis, and the Warner Bros. film, Why Do Fools Fall in Love. Current projects include From Selma to Sorrow about civil rights activist Viola Liuzzo killed by the Klan in the 1965 Selma to Montgomery march; and is series Creator/Executive Producer of a new HBO MAX period drama, Buckingham based on her play and internationally acclaimed novel, Charlotte Sophia. Philanthropic/Activist Causes: American Cancer Society and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions

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Episode 19: A Standard BearerGuest: Lynette BooneIn the third and final episode of Twin City Hall of Famers, Bingham sits down with another of his role models growing up. Lynette Boone, a Festus Senior High School graduate, Northwestern Wildcat, FHS Hall of Famer, a longtime advocate for the underserved in the city of Chicago and one who sums up the word pioneer. Lynette and Dewhitt discuss the following:Festus Senior High SchoolNorthwestern UniversityColumbia University1st Amendment of the ConstitutionBusiness Administration/MarketingGiving Back to the YouthSocial JusticeWhite SupremacyBlack Lives MatterRace RelationsBeing a Standard BearerWhat She'd Like to See the Biden Administration Accomplish If you would like to have access to the FREE monthly Dewhitt L. Bingham Justice for All Newsletter, click on the link below. This month's newsletter features Thurgood Marshall, Viola Liuzzo, Randy Cayce, Betty Barnes, Kaian Roberts-Day, and a criminal justice lesson which will always include a power point, video lecture, and criminal justice terminology.http://eepurl.com/hI8DuHYou can listen to the JFA Podcast Show wherever you get your podcast or click on one of the links below.  dlbspodcast.buzzsprout.com https://blog.feedspot.com/social_justice_podcasts/ peculiarbooks.orgAlso if you are interested in exercise and being healthy check out the Top 20 Triathlon Podcasts. https://blog.feedspot.com/triathlon_podcasts/

Episode 18: A Cross Cultural ExperienceGuest: Audrey Brown MitchellDewhitt sits down with another of his role models growing up. Audrey Brown Mitchell, a Crystal City High School graduate, Lincoln University Blue Tiger, CCHS Hall of Famer, educational expert, very judicious woman, visionary and cultural agent. Audrey and Dewhitt discuss the following:Crystal City High SchoolLincoln University1st Amendment of the ConstitutionEducational AdministrationHBCU/Predominately White School Cultural Differences Race RelationsHaving a Cross Cultural Experience on a Regular BasisWhat She'd Like to See the Biden Administration AccomplishIf you would like to have access to the FREE monthly Dewhitt L. Bingham Justice for All Newsletter, click on the link below. This month's newsletter features Thurgood Marshall, Viola Liuzzo, Randy Cayce, Betty Barnes, Kaian Roberts-Day, and a criminal justice lesson which will always include a power point, video lecture, and criminal justice terminology.http://eepurl.com/hI8DuHYou can listen to the JFA Podcast Show wherever you get your podcast or click on one of the links below.dlbspodcast.buzzsprout.comhttps://blog.feedspot.com/social_justice_podcasts/peculiarbooks.orgAlso if you are interested in exercise and being healthy check out the Top 20 Triathlon Podcasts.https://blog.feedspot.com/triathlon_podcasts/

Episode 17: Growing Up During the StruggleGuest: Randy Cayce Dewhitt sits down with one of his role models growing up. Randy Cayce, a 1966 Crystal City High School graduate, former Star Negro School Student, barrier breaker, former pro football player for the Denver Broncos and Buffalo Bills, and now CCHS Hall of Famer, who Bingham wrote about in his most recent book “The Douglass Connection”. Randy and Dewhitt discuss the following:Star Negro SchoolCrystal City High SchoolSegregationRacismPlaying in the NFL40-year career as a firemanThe Wichita State University plane crashLincoln University graduate and also CCHS Hall of Famer Ralph SpencerLegendary coaches Dick Cook, Rodney Mills and Arvel PoppIf you would like to have access to the FREE monthly Dewhitt L. Bingham Justice for All Newsletter, click on the link below. This month's newsletter features Thurgood Marshall, Viola Liuzzo, Randy Cayce, Betty Barnes, Kaian Roberts-Day, and a criminal justice lesson which will always include a power point, video lecture, and criminal justice terminology.http://eepurl.com/hI8DuHYou can listen to the JFA Podcast wherever you get your podcast or click on one of the links below.dlbspodcast.buzzsprout.comhttps://blog.feedspot.com/social_justice_podcasts/peculiarbooks.org Also if you are interested in exercise and being healthy check out the Top 20 Triathlon Podcasts.https://blog.feedspot.com/triathlon_podcasts/  

Serien om afroamerikaners kamp för medborgerliga rättigheter fortsätter. Det kommer att handla om Great Society, kampanjen i Selma, Bloody Sunday på Edmund Pettus bron, kritik mot Martin Luther King, Voting rights Act 1965 och morden på Jimmie Lee Jackson, James Reeb och Viola Liuzzo.   Glöm inte att prenumerera på podcasten! Ge den gärna betyg på iTunes! Följ podden på Facebook (facebook.com/stjarnbaneret), twitter (@stjarnbaneret) eller Instagram (@stjarnbaneret) Kontakt: stjarnbaneret@gmail.com

HANGING OUT with ARLAN FEILESScene and Herd - Doug Dresher, HostArlan Feiles is committed - to social justice, to family, to understanding, to equality, and to love.  This message is woven into every song.He is also an amazingly talented songwriter and performer.  If Woody Guthrie were alive today, I'm sure they would be friends, along with Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Abyssinian Baptist Gospel Choir, and any group of people who value the truth as a progressive ideology.  A singer-songwriter, a troubadour, a family man, and a voice and message that should not be ignored.Arlan Feiles WebArlan Feiles MusicArlan Feiles SpotifyArlan Feiles YouTubeThe history of Viola Liuzzo

Today we are talking about Viola Liuzzo, the only white female activist killed in the civil rights movement. 

Viola Liuzzo - WikipediaViola Liuzzo, killed by the Klan, was the only white woman to die in the civil rights movement - The Washington PostGary Thomas Rowe - WikipediaSelma to Montgomery marches - WikipediaEMAIL: thebfdpodcast@gmail.comSOCIAL MEDIA: @thebfdpodcast

The FBI was ruthless in its pursuit of civil rights activists. At the same time, the Ku Klux Klan was engaged in a reign of terror. How did the FBI's attitude towards those fighting nonviolently for racial justice compare to its attitude towards those who wished to violently stop them? In this episode, we explore the career of the FBI's controversial Klan informant Gary Rowe. Rowe's identity was revealed after he was present when Klan members murdered civil rights activists Viola Liuzzo. How involved was really in her death and what other acts of violence may Rowe have been involved? To explore this, we talk to Mary Stanton a historian of social justice movements in the South and biographer of Liuzzo.

Viola Liuzzo. Civil Rights Activist. One Bad B. Brittney and Laycee's new queen.Viola Liuzzo was a housewife who said "eff this" to racism and died at 39 thanks to hatred. She was a woman ahead of her (and our) time.Our first shop shoutout is See Saw Soaps! These soaps are all natural and handmade with love, organic ingredients, and minimal waste. Check out See Saw Soaps on Facebook and at https://www.seesaw-soaps.myshopify.com. A link to her shop will be available in our Instagram bio and we'll tag her in an upcoming post! We want to brag about whatever it is you do! Email us at misdeeds.malarkey@gmail.com. We also accept show suggestions, constructive criticism, and love letters. WE ALSO WANT YOUR SPOOKY STORIES FOR OUR HALLOWEEN EPISODE.Brittney went labia deep in research this week, so here are all of our sources. Once we figure out Google Docs we will have a dedicated document of all sauce material for shows.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Liuzzohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches#March_to_Montgomeryhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/12/15/a-white-mother-went-to-alabama-to-fight-for-civil-rights-the-klan-killed-her-for-it/https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/05/27/Federal-judge-clears-FBI-in-Liuzzo-case/5845422856000/https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/08/12/209595935/killed-for-taking-part-in-everybody-s-fighthttps://patch.com/michigan/royaloak/killed-kkk-and-smeared-fbi-civil-rights-martyr-finally-hailed-herohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/12/29/relatives-of-rights-worker-liuzzo-file-2-million-claim-against-fbi/9ab90046-825f-4601-a0f5-91f85c3185d5/https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/07/16/liuzzo-family-pushes-to-strike-hoover-name-from-fbi-building/https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/05/27/Federal-judge-clears-FBI-in-Liuzzo-case/5845422856000/https://www.huffpost.com/entry/murdered-civil-rights-activist-a-mother-who-made-a_b_591e286ee4b0e8f558bb2518 https://www.history.com/news/selma-bloody-sunday-attack-civil-rights-movementhttps://www.history.com/topics/black-history/selma-montgomery-marchMake Good Choices.Black Lives Matter.Fellow white people - learn a thing or 4 from Viola.

Zach chats with Race2Dinner co-founders Regina Jackson and Saira Rao about the genesis of Race2D, how exactly its dinners take place, their experiences running it and so much more. This episode features explicit language. Listener discretion is advised!Connect with Saira on LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram, and connect with Regina on Twitter.Interested in learning more about Race2Dinner? Check out their website.Follow Race2Dinner on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Find out how the CDC suggests you wash your hands by clicking here.Help food banks respond to COVID-19. Learn more at FeedingAmerica.org.Visit our website.TRANSCRIPTZach: What's up, y'all? Now, look, you know that we try to keep it clean on Living Corporate, but every now and then we have folks come on who are impassioned, and we are not ones to censor anybody if we really believe in the heart of what it is that they're saying and the mission that they're doing. So the conversation you're about to hear does contain some harsh language, so listener discretion is advised. Catch y'all next time.What's up, y'all? It's Zach with Living Corporate, and you know what we do. We're having real talk in a corporate world. How do we do that? We talk to black and brown entrepreneurs, executives, activists... let me see here, what else? Public servants, creatives, artists, influencers, educators, you know what I'm saying? Anybody who is black and brown or an aspirational ally. We try to have them on the podcast and have real conversations, right? These real conversations are centering underrepresented and marginalized voices. We're having conversations that often go unhad or whispered in a corner. We're trying to have those out loud and on a digital platform so that they can be accessible to everybody, and we do this weekly, and we have dope dope dope dope DOPE guests. So today we have two guests at the same time, yo, at the same time. Saira Rao and Regina Jackson. Yo, so let me--so I got these two bios here, y'all. Y'all know what we do. You know I try to read the bios just so y'all can have an idea of what's going on, then we get into it. So here we go. Saira Rao grew up in Richmond, Virginia, the daughter of Indian immigrants. For forty years, she wasted her precious time aspiring to be white and accepted by dominant white society, a futile task for anyone not born with white skin. Several years ago, Saira began the painful process of dismantling her own internalized oppression. Saira is a lawyer-by-training, a former congressional candidate, a published novelist and an entrepreneur. Now, look here, if y'all don't recognize what kind of podcast this is about to be by the bio that I read that they gave me, listen, I'ma just go ahead and drop the Flex bomb right now. It's about to be spicy in here. Now we'll go ahead and go Regina. Now, born in 1950, Regina remembers an America where everything was in Black and white. Burned into her memory are; the beatings and horrific treatment of civil rights workers throughout the South, the Goodman, Chaney & Schwerner murders, the murder of Viola Liuzzo, the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the murders of President John Kennedy and his brother Robert. The violence perpetrated on innocent people going about their lives by white people, it is these memories that drive Regina to push for real change in America, which is why she co-founded Race2Dinner. Saira and Regina, welcome to the show. How are y'all doing?Regina: You know, I'm doing great. Saira?Saira: I'm doing pretty well, thank you.Zach: So I read some bios, but can we get into y'all's own stories as to why Race2Dinner came to be and how?Saira: Well, like my bio said, I ran for Congress exactly two years ago, and I ran in--we live in Denver, which is a predominantly white city, and I ran on an explicitly anti-racism [platform] about the racism within the Democratic Party, which, you know, we know there's--the Republican Party's entire platform is racism, but there's ample racism within the Democratic Party. And so, you know, what I found was a long line of white ladies wanting to have coffees, breakfasts, lunches and dinners with me, and 99.9% of the time it was for them to tell me very indignantly that it's not them, "not all white women," and then they tick off all their civil rights accomplishments in the past and their safety pins and how awesome they are, and really just telling me about how I had them wrong, that they were individual--you know, "Stop painting all white people as the same," and so, anyway, I had to do those because I was running for office and I needed to [?]. After I lost in June of 2018, I became a big target of sort of the alt-right, Breitbart, Fox, those places, and the invitations for these lunches and dinners didn't dissipate as I had hoped. They just got more and more and more. And I continued to do these lunches and dinners in good faith, recognizing by the way I was not just out hours and hours of my time. It also took a tremendous toll on my mental health. And by the way, these ladies never picked up the bill. And I was, you know, paying for dinner [?] for babysitting because I have two small children. Anyway, that's when last December this happened with Regina.Regina: So when Saira ran for office, I immediately fell in love with her because she was talking about racism that doesn't get talked about in the United States, and she was talking very provocatively about racism. She wasn't being nice. She wasn't not using the white privilege and white people. I mean, she was talking it, so I immediately volunteered for her campaign. I worked on her campaign and got to know Saira, and I was like, "Wow, I really like this woman." So I had had a white friend who said to me--she said, you know, "I'm just over Saira. She hates white people, and I'm just gonna be done with her," and then in the next breath she says to me, "But if you can arrange it, I'd like to go to lunch with her to talk about it." So I talked to [Saira] and Saira said to me--she said, "You know what, Regina? I'm not doing that anymore," she said, "But I'll tell you what. If she wants to have a dinner and invite some of her white lady friends and you do it with me," she said, "I'd be happy to do that," and thus was born Race2Dinner.Zach: Wow. It's--okay, so let's talk a little bit about, Regina, the exchange that you had. Why do you believe that your friend at the time said that Saira hates white people?Regina: Well, because Saira was saying she hated white people. [everyone laughs]Saira: [laughing] No, I didn't. I didn't say that. No.Zach: [hold on a minute there playa sfx, laughing]Regina: Okay, it's up for debate. [laughs]Saira: No, I literally never said that. So the thing about this particular woman was that I said that Beto O'Rourke is a white savior, and she was one of these women who was, like, obsessed with Beto O'Rourke and went to Texas to volunteer for Beto O'Rourke, and I said, you know, Beto O'Rourke is a white savior, and I also donated to his campaign, and if I lived in Texas I would vote for him. You can actually, you know, hold various things to be true.Zach: At the same time, yeah.Saira: At the same time, and so that's what sent her over the edge. And that's actually--at the dinner she brought that up as the thing that sent her over the edge, and she, you know, got really angry when I wouldn't budge on the fact that Beto O'Rourke is a white savior. Frankly, I think Beto O'Rourke might acknowledge himself that he's a white savior. And so, anyway, she cried. She got super mad. She did all the stuff that white ladies too.Regina: This is a white woman who called herself my friend. She thanked me for, you know, teaching her about racism and helping her to be a non-racist. She told me how much she loved me all the time, blah blah blah. When we started our Race2Dinner website and we decided to do a Patreon, you know, where people sign up for $5 a month or $12 a month. This white woman, who had told me--she's a widow, never had any children--that her income after her husband died is $200,000 a year, and I said, "Will you sign up for our Patreon?" She told me to put it [?] on Facebook. Needless to say, we are no longer friends, 'cause she talks the talk but she doesn't want to walk the walk.Zach: So you're saying she has over 200--I'm sorry, but I'm shocked, 'cause I come from humble beginnings, right? And I'm not from Denver. Like, I'm from the South. So, like, you said--just to go back a second, you said her income is over $200,000 a year?Saira: Yeah, and she won't spend $60 a year on our labor, on our writing. She wanted us to put it on Facebook for free.Regina: And see, we have really been talking about that issue, how white people don't want to see black and brown women especially paid for our work. Now, you know, they'll pay $40,000 to go hear--what's her name?Saira: Glennon Doyle.Regina: Yeah, Glennon Doyle, but they can't pay us for our labor in a personal, private, small group conversation?Saira: That includes dinner and booze.Regina: That's more white people nonsense, and I'm not having it.Zach: I mean, at a certain point you're just like [what more do you want from me? sfx] You know? Like, what is this? Like, what are we doing? Like, y'all see this effort. Y'all know that it's valuable. Recognize it financially. And y'all know that the way this system is built--capitalistically--that we need the bread to survive, so come on. Like, come up off. So I hear that, and it's interesting, 'cause Race2Dinner, it reminds me--and I want y'all to walk me through this format, 'cause I've been to a couple of events like this where, like, you get together over dinner and you talk about quote-unquote culture. I want to understand though. Like, talk to me about the format of Race2Dinner, how it works, and just how it's set up.Regina: Okay. Well, one of the first things I think there is to recognize is that most white people don't even know that they [?], okay? In the book "Waking Up White" by Debbie Irving, she talks about white culture, and us as non-white people, we recognize it because we have had to live it in order to, like you say, survive. It's perfection. It's being nice to everybody.Saira: It's talking about nothing.Regina: Yeah, don't talk about hard stuff. Don't upset people. You know, that's the culture that we were all raised in, and they still want to just talk nice, and we say, "You know what?" The other thing is they're all in their feelings. "You made me feel." Can we curse on this show?Zach: Yes, absolutely. Go ahead.Regina: [laughs] And I love to say, "Fuck your feelings." [Zach laughs] That's between you and your universe. That has nothing to do with me, but they are always up in their feelings, and that's one of the things--in Race2Dinner, if you have to cry, you have to leave the room. Zach: Really? If you start to cry, you are [?] from the table?Saira: Yeah, cry or get really angry. But to answer your question about painting a picture for you. So, you know, why is it dinners? People say is it "Why is it dinners? Why can't you do conferences and keynotes?" Blah blah blah. Here's what we know about white women. White women are devoted to being nice and polite, and there's nothing more impolite than getting up and leaving the dinner table, period. The setting is a beautiful dinner table in a woman's house where she's serving dinner and she's pouring wine. And so this is the white woman's happy place and safe place, a dinner party with other white women, right? And, you know, every once in a while maybe they go to dinner parties where there's A black woman or An Asian woman or A Latina woman, but, like, you know, they feel very comfortable, so they come in and kiss kiss, "Oh, my God, how are you? You look great, you look great," the whole nine yards. And then they sit down, and instead of "Oh, my God. What are your kids doing this summer for summer camp? Oh, my God. My husband's irritating me." We just--it's very, very much like this. Like, everyone go around the table and say why you're here, and you literally have, like, a minute or two to do that. 'Cause early on we were like, "Why are you here?" And they would just, like, pull out their resume and start telling us about how they volunteered at Planned Parenthood and they went to a Black Lives Matter rally and whatever, and so--anyway, after that, the next question is "Please go around the table and name one way in which your racism has presented itself in an action that you've done recently," and then they basically fall out of their chair. Like, you might see pee come down their legs, because it's like... they can't leave. They all want to freak out and run out of the room, but they can't because they've got this nice beef tenderloin and a glass of Chardonnay sitting there and it would be rude as fuck to do that. So then they have to actually do that.Regina: And we used to--we just changed that format, because we used to [have] everybody introduce themselves, and then we'd talk about our background and why we were there, and what we found is we would have two or three women in every dinner who would not say a freaking word. You know, the lurkers. So we finally said, "This is not okay. If people are going to be here, they need to engage." So we make everybody talk about, you know, "This is why I'm here, and this is how I notice racism in myself."Saira: In myself. So, you know, you go to one of these, like, liberal white person dinner parties, and they're sitting around for hours trashing Donald Trump and trashing the Republicans and talking about--like, they pat themselves on the back. It's like the Backpatting Olympics, right? Who is the most awesome white person in the room? This is a place--and by the way, they try. So, like, at the last dinner party--and look, these are not bad people. We've got to break down this false binary of racist bad, not racist good. That shuts down the conversation. But there's a white lady there who's lovely and [?], and we asked her "What is the racist thing you've done?" And she starts rambling, and then she says, you know, a friend of hers ends every conversation with "Me love you long time." And all the other women were like, "What?" And I was like, "No, no, no. How are YOU racist? Stop deflecting it to your friend." In that case, which she could have easily said--but she didn't, she can't [?] anything else--is "I'm racist because I've never shut that down." So that's the silence is complicity. So all this, like, "The Republicans are bad," what about you? Like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Like, silence is complicity, you know? And even though the Republicans are quote "bad," white America allowed this to go on. Donald Trump didn't invent racism. He just capitalized on it.Regina: That was my turning point, this whole Make America Great nonsense. I'm like, "No. I'm done with white people nonsense. I'm done." You know, they need to step up and call a thing and be the wonderful people that they seem to think they are.Zach: And Regina, so your profile, the fact that you were--you know, like, you were active. Like, you was moving around during the civil rights movement and you're still here in 2020. So, like, have you ever had situations where people have, like, either alluded to or told you to, like, get over it or it was a really long time ago or times have changed, and if so, like, how do you react or respond in those situations?Regina: You know, I don't think anybody would tell me that. [everybody laughs] But I have [this?] attitude. You know how us black women can give off that "Don't fuck with me today?" Zach: Yes. [everybody laughing]Regina: [?] going on generally 24/7. It's like--[to this day sfx] So not today, not ever. Not having it.Zach: Oh, my goodness. I love it. The spice. The energy on this podcast, it's reached incredible levels, and we're really just, like, still in the beginning. So when it comes to--and even, like, honestly, like, the tone of this conversation, right, the unapologetic, like, very to the point manner in which y'all are speaking and in which, like, I see, like, your website communicates as well as your online personas. I'm curious about what feedback or critique you get when it comes to, like, the idea of civility, right? 'Cause I feel like even today there's a lot of folks who are still, like, really hanging their shingle on civility, and they use it almost, like, as a cudgel to, like, silence voices. I'm curious as to how y'all respond to that.Saira: That's what it is. Calls for civility is calls for silencing. And I'm just curious, when has--so civility is code for being nice, right? When has nice saved people of color [?]? Like, was niceness there to save Trayvon Martin? Is being nice saving the brown and black people who are dying in concentration camps around the country? Is niceness [saving?] the Palestinians, upon whom we are, you know, aiding [Israel? and dropping bombs upon them?] Like, being nice is code for doing whatever the fuck you want to oppress people and not getting called out for it. That's what being nice is.Regina: Exactly. And remember that Dr. King said that white [moderates,] they would rather have order than justice. You know what? I'm not about order. Fuck your rules, okay? Fuck hurting your feelings. Fuck being nice. Let's talk the real deal. Let's talk about how you're hurting black and brown children, how black boys and girls get treated in school, how black people are being [?] out of their communities onto the streets by gentrification? Let's talk about all that, and if it requires me to be nice, then it ain't happening.Saira: Yeah, you know what's super not nice? Stop and Frisk. You know what's super not nice? The Muslim ban. You know what's super not nice? These concentration camps. And so I'll tell you what though, Zach, is, you know, before I even ran for Congress I spent a year, 2017, going the civil way. I went to the University of Virginia, and at that time most of my [?] in life were friends that I had met at the University of Virginia, overwhelmingly white women. By the way, like, I was in an all-white sorority and I wore [Laura Ashley?]. So I used to think that I was a white woman. [?] And I tried. You know, I did dinners with these friends. I cried, they cried. I made them--you know, I patted them on the back. I massaged their feet. I think I might have painted a toenail or two. I mean, I did all the nice, civil things, and every single time--it was, like, straight out of an SNL skit... which, by the way, SNL is also a toxic, white, liberal mess, but it was, you know, "We don't like your tone. You just seem really angry." My favorite from one of these women was "What are you doing? You're completely alienating everyone." And I said to her, "Who's everyone?" And I said, "Are you unaware that there are people of color who actually are in agreement with what I'm saying?" And she was like, "Oh, I never thought of that," because she literally--the only people of color [she knows?] were me, one--and she's a nurse, so a couple of her colleagues. She has a black woman colleague and a brown woman colleague, and she said to me, "Well, I asked them, and they said that they think you're crazy, and, like, [that?] racism is untrue." And I'm like, "They're not [safe?] to say that. You're, like, their boss," you know? And somebody said--it's very funny. They're like, "If you're white and you have a brown or black friend who doesn't talk about white people, then you don't have a brown or black friend." Regina: I was gonna say, now, my big thing, I started working, volunteering, mentoring in a high school about six years ago, and I would--the woman who ran the program and started the program woudl tell me all the time that I hurt her feelings. You know, everything you say hurts their feelings, and I sounded like I was angry, and I just started saying, "You know what? I'm mad as hell, and I could give a shit about your feelings, so deal with it." She finally resigned, and I [?], and now the program is being run by people of color.Saira: Yeah. And by the way, like, of course we're angry. I'm sorry. Like, white women literally go batshit crazy if their spin class instructor is 5 minutes late. Go fucking crazy, right? They're angry and it's fine, like, that's fine, but we're not supposed to be angry about systemic oppression. We're not allowed to be angry about that, but they can be angry about a yoga instructor or a spin class instructor being 5 minutes late. It just goes to show you they don't care--it's not only that they don't care, they actively are fine with being participants in this. They just don't want you to call them out for it, and in some ways that's the difference between Republican woman and Democratic women, the 50% that voted for Donald Trump versus the one who kind of sat idly by on let Donald Trump win, you know? Do you know how many white liberal women I know who voted for Hillary Clinton, but their husbands voted for Donald Trump, and they didn't speak a word [?] Hillary Clinton. They didn't put a Hillary Clinton sign in their yard. When I would come into their house they would be like, "You can't talk about Hillary Clinton here because of So-and-so." So what's the difference between the husband who is voting for Donald Trump and the wife who is silent? Nothing. You know, feasance versus non-feasance. It's all the same thing. Not acting is acting.Zach: And so I'm curious, like, again, the delivery of this, and even with the [criticism?] that you've received like "You're not being nice" or "It's not being [?]" or whatever the case may be, and yet Race2Dinner is a whole organization. Like, y'all are an active organization, so clearly--Regina: That's the other thing [?]. These white women want to say, "Well, what do we do with our money?" It's like, "It's not your business. Do you go into Nordstroms and say, "What do you do with your money?" We're not a non-profit. This is a business."Zach: And so I'm curious. Like, it seems as if your approach was so off-putting and alienating that your business would not be viable, and yet it is, right? [Both: Yeah.] So talk me through--Saira: That's a good question. You just asked the question "Why?" One woman put it to us like this not too long ago, and I think this is it. She said a lot of stuff. She's the woman who said to us--I said at this dinner, particularly dinner, you all don't see Regina and I as your [equals.] You don't see our humanity. You do not see our children and grandchildren as your children and grandchildren's equals. You don't see their humanity. 7 out of the 8 of them just shook their head. "Oh, my God. Wrong, wrong, wrong," right? Woman to my left, you know, God bless her, she paused before she spoke and she said, "You know what? I'm not gonna lie. I don't. I don't see the two of you as my equal. I don't see your humanity. I don't see your children and your grandchildren, Regina, as equal to mine," and there was a collective gasp, right? Like, they couldn't believe it, and then little by little they were like, "Yeah. I mean, that's right," and at the end of the dinner this woman said, "I feel such a sense of relief. I feel relieved," because white supremacy kills everybody, including white people. It's like a disease. It's toxic and it kills you. And she said, "This is the first time I've been able to actually acknowledge this to myself, say it out loud, say it in a room full of my peers and say it front of the people that I harm every [day?]," and I think that's it right there. She articulated why we're able to get people to come to these dinners, because it is a relief for them, at least, you know, the ones who are willing to accept it and come in with fully open minds and leave their fragility at the [door.] I think it's a relief.Regina: And, you know, one of the things that I want white women to do--and I don't know why it's so hard, but it is, is to just step up when you see injustice, when you see racism, when you hear it, call that shit out and let things fall where they fall. They never do that. They're always dependent on us to be the ones calling it out, and I'm like, "Y'all started this shit. Get in here and stop it." Saira: Right, just like men created and benefit from misogyny, so men have to dismantle misogyny. We can't. Women cannot. Similarly, white people created and benefit from white supremacy, so they're the ones who have to do it. So this is--by the way, we don't allow for other women of color in the room, because the one time we did--it was a Chicago dinner. There was another Indian woman in the room, and so, you know, she's a member of the community. These are people that she sees at pick-up and drop-off at her kid's school. Every time we were speaking, looking at her and waiting to see and asking, "Well, do you feel like this? Do you feel like this?" It was a deeply unsafe space for her, just like my nurse friend asking her women of color colleagues if they felt like that. That's not safe, right? So we don't want to put other women of color in a situation where they're answering to white women in that room because it's not safe for them.Zach: In y'all's experience of having this organization, this [business?], and facilitating these dinners, like, what has been the most eye-opening experience?Regina: My most eye-opening experience is we had a dinner with several white women, 8, and maybe 4 of them had adopted children of color, okay? Black children, and we had one young woman--I would say she was maybe in her 30s. She had adopted a young black boy. This woman had the audacity to say that if her family and friends said something racist or harmful to or about her child--Saira: In front of her child.Regina: In front of her child! She did not correct them because they loved him. That's the biggest [?] I've ever heard in my life, and if I could've taken that kid away from her I would have done it.Zach: And so then--you know, a piece recently came out--and Saira, this was something that you actually tweeted about. I believe it was someone who actually attended a Race2Dinner event, and they said, you know, "Most folks don't like Saira."Saira: Well, she said, "A lot of people hate Saira." [everyone laughs]Regina: And I'm like, "There, it's out there. We can get over it." [laughing] Saira: Yeah.Zach: And so I'm curious about what does it to look like--like, what does it look like to continue to do this work in light of those types of critiques? Like, where do you get your strength and resilience from to continue this type of work?Saira: It's not easy. I'll say Regina's a big source of strength and a big source of resilience for me. Here's the deal. It's a process, right? And I would be completely lying if I said it didn't bother me when--you know, look, I've gotten used to most of it. I've gotten used to the white supremacist trolls. I've gotten used to the Nazis. What I do not enjoy is getting doxxed. That happened over the weekend by a white woman in Abu Dhabi. Doxxed me and my family, so put out our private information and tried to send Nazis to come hurt my family. I do not enjoy that. I don't enjoy that my children get left out of things, you know, because their moms hate my guts. I don't like that. It's uncomfortable a little bit to run into these old friends of mine around town, and I know what they think of me and I know what they say about me. I don't love that, but, you know, besides that, it's okay. It sounds really weird. Like, I'm actually okay, because I realized that I was filling my life with a lot of nonsense, and how many times--I mean, you know, I was thinking back on this because we're working on a bunch of stuff, but I've had to, like, dig deep, how many times--I was at a party once in college with these friends. It wasn't even a party. It was a dinner, right? And I couldn't leave because it would have been rude to leave. And it was two white women sitting across from me who were not really close friends, me, and then this white woman to my left who was a very good friend, and one white woman said to the other--her last name is an Asian last name but she's white, and she said, "Oh, my God. When I got the letter in the mail that you were gonna be my roommate, I freaked out and I said to my parents, "What have I done in my life to deserve an [Asian?] roommate?"" And they started laughing, and they were like, "And look, it turned out great!" And my friend to the left of me, she was laughing too, and I was just sitting there stunned, and I said, "Hey, you guys. I'm Asian," and then they all took another sip of their [beer?], like, spit it out laughing, and they go, "Oh, yeah, but you're not one of those kind of Asians." And I said, "No, I am. I'm actually 100%--" They go, "You know, like, the accent and, like, the weird food--"Zach: Weird food?Saira: Yeah, "And the smelly, weird food," and I looked to my friend, and she just sat there and was laughing with them, and so I did what I had always done, which I started laughing too. So I sold myself down the river and I upheld--that's how [people of color?] uphold white supremacy is I laughed as well and I let it go. How many of those experiences have I had in my life? I cannot even count them. There are too many to count, and so I'm living an honest life, and you know what that means, living an honest life? If that [means I'm hated?], so be it. Hate me.Regina: You know, as a black woman, I have learned many, many years ago that the only way I can sruvive is I affirm myself on a daily basis. I know who I am. I know what is okay with me. I know what's not okay. So when people start talking shit, "Regina's this, that and the other--" And I tell my mentees that. The best way to have a good life is know who you are. Affirm yourself, and when you get crap from anybody else, you don't have to own that because you know who you are.Saira: Yeah. And Zach, just further to that by the way, I'm trying to start affirming myself because Regina really truly is the most [evolved?] person I know. I think a big part of why a lot of people come at me--and it's all kinds of people. It's not just white people. It's black people, it's Indian people, it's Latino people. It's I'm the first generation of the "model minority" born and raised in this country, right? So we're new, and we're supposed to stay in our lane, and we're supposed to be extremely grateful and not call out white supremacy because we are the model minority. So there's something extremely jarring to have an Asian lady in the middle of Colorado speaking like this. I think that's a big part of it too. I mean, lots and lots and lots and lots of South Asian people really hate my guts.Regina: They just want her to shut up.Saira: You know? They will say--I had [?] Indian people say to me, "Stop talking about Black Lives Matter," and I was like, "They know that there's a Muslim ban. Like, they know." So I'm so confused. I mean, you're called Apu how many times a week? You're called [?] how many times? And they're just, like, pretending like it didn't happen. And really funny, the only Indian/South Asian PAC didn't invite me to their gala in 2018 when I was running for Congress, and so [Andrew Yang?] actually invited me to go as his guest. And so I went. I flew out and I get there, and it's 8 other--something like that, 8 other--South Asians all [?]. By the way, they're all, like, super white platforms and [?], and I show up with Andrew and everyone's literally like, "Who the fuck brought her?" Like, "Why did you all bring her?" I mean, it was just really funny. I mean, it's funny "haha," but yeah, like, my own people hate my guts. Regina: You will love this. Saira says at our dinners, "I'm anti-black and all of you are racist," and I go, "Guess what? Black people know that." We know that every immigrant group thinks they're better than us. We know everybody would rather be whatever than black. That's not news.Saira: So we talk about. So I just want to add that one last thing to what Regina said. You know, we'll say, "Who's racist in this room?" And most of the time no one raises their hand except for me, and they're like, "Wait, what?" And [I'm like?] "[I'm Asian?], so I've been trained institutionally to be anti-black," and then they'll look at Regina because then the next step--you know, Step 1 is dividing and conquering, and they look at Regina like, "Oh, my God. Look. You've got an anti-black colleague here." Regina's like, "All Asians are anti-black." Like, if I'm asking white people to acknowledge their own institutional bigotry, it would be wildly hypocritical of me and completely lack of self-aware if I wasn't able and unwilling to do that myself.Zach: And so it's interesting because, like--I just find it all so very intriguing, because, like, the closer we get--and I'm continuing to have conversations about the fact that November is coming up, and, like, the closer that we get to November, it's interesting that we're, like--a lot of us are still kind of moving, like, business as usual, but--Regina: I know! It's scary.Zach: It's really strange, right? Like, even though, like, we remember all of the chaos, like, that happened four years ago, like, in and outside the workplace. I recall the work day--Regina: [?] the election.Saira: We know that. We know that.Zach: Right, and so it's just strange to me that, like, even from a diversity, equity and inclusion perspective that we're not really talking about that. Like, we're not preparing--Regina: Yeah. Where is the [Congressional Black Causus?] Where the fuck are they? [everyone laughing]Zach: Oh, my gosh. This has been--oh, man, this is great. But no, I find it really curious, I find it really curious. So Race2Dinner, it's white women attending the dinners, and then you both are facilitating the dinner. What do you believe it is about--like, 'cause typically we talk about gender equity and we're rarely intersectional. We rarely talk in [?]. We typically just say "men and women," and the default of course there is white women. It seems as if there's still a lot of work to be done when it comes to white women understanding their place when it comes to understanding diversity, equity and inclusion and how they fit in this role and, like, what power they wield, and I'm curious, why do you think there's still a reticence to engage that? Even from, like, just an intellectual exercise?Regina: Well, you know, I like to say, first of all, you all--everything you've made has been on the backs of black people. Let's get that out there first, okay? So that's the first thing they need to understand. They wouldn't have what they have today if black people had not fought and died [in] the civil rights movement. So that's the first thing I want to say. The second thing, when we talk about intersectionality, we're really talking about black women and their intersection of both race and sex. So white women--this is what we try to say. You know, the foot of patriarchy is on your neck just like it's on yours. You want to continue earning 75 cents for every dollar the white man earns? Fine. But if you want ever to have equity, enjoy the same rights that white males do, you better come and join us, because we've been fighting this for a long time, and we're gonna continue to fight it with or without you, but they also have the proximity to the power. They have the proximity to the money. These are their fathers, their uncles, their brothers, their sons. So that's why they need to be engaged in this.Saira: Well, and the reason, you know, they always pick whiteness over gender is because they're benefiting greatly from whiteness, and so they've been born and raised--but they would never say that, right? That's the lack of honesty and transparency. They've been born and raised to see themselves as the greatest victims on the planet because they are below white men. So that's it. That's where their analysis of inequity--that's where it stops. It starts and stops on them being the biggest victims on the planet, and as a result they erase women of color. We don't even exist in their minds. I'll tell you what, Zach. Use this whole hoopla around the 19th Amendment 100-Year anniversary this year. It's a great window into white feminism. Susan Becky Anthony totally fucked black women, right? So the 19th Amendment [was not?] the women's right to vote. That was the white women's right to vote. And so we're not--like, black and brown women are not celebrating the 19th Amendment, but you would think all of these freaking white suits all over the place running around and talking about how this was, you know, the year that women [?]--that's not true, and there's a direct line between Susan B. Anthony and Nancy Pelosi who regularly throws her women of color colleagues under the bus, starting with Maxine Waters and every member of the squad. So I'm tired of it. I'm tired of white women, you know, lumping all women's rights together. That's not true. That's just not true.Regina: And they know it.Saira: They know it. They're pretending like they don't know it.Regina: See, the biggest issue that we have is them pretending that they don't know shit. They're here to pretend like they don't know how bad it is for women of color. They know. They're gonna pretend like, you know, we're all treated equally. They know. So I want them to stop pretending and tell the fucking truth.Saira: We ask every dinner--this is well over 100 white women around the country--how many of you would trade places with me or Regina? Guess how many of them have raised their hands. Guess.Zach: Zero.Regina: The first dinner. No, one from the first dinner, remember? That we filmed?Saira: Yeah. I mean, it's between zero to one. So they were [?] about that, so they know. They know. So they first tell us that they wouldn't trade places with us because they're better than we are, and then they'll all say--they stopped doing this though because we put an end to this nonsense--"I'm just hear to listen and learn. I'm just here to learn." You already know because you wrote the book about white supremacy. You had it optioned [?]. You've made every film. It's won every Oscar. It's been exported to every country around the world. It's been translated into every language. And you're asking us to explain the book that you wrote? Like, I'm so--that's bullshit. That's bullshit, and we are not [?]--that's fine, that's the way it is, but we're not here for it. We're not here for your stupid ass lies.Regina: That's right.Zach: [laughs]Regina: We can tell you can't wait to have dinner with us, right?Zach: No, no, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I actually have some mentors that would love this, and actually what I really want to do is I want to give y'all space. So we'll make sure we'll put all your information in the show notes, but I want to give you actually some space, like, to plug all your information. Where can [they learn?] more, how people can sign up, all of that.Saira: Race2Dinner, R-A-C-E-2-dinner.com, and find me on Twitter--I'm Tweeting quite often--@sairasameerarao. Regina: Regina Jackson. I'm on Twitter @ReginaJacksonMe... I think. You know, I'm old. I don't know all this stuff. [both laugh] But we have a couple of great people working with us who schedule all of our dinners, and you can reach them through the website. And also we have a Race2Dinner Facebook page, and Race2Dinner is on Twitter, and Race2Dinner is on Instagram.Saira: And we're also, Zach, starting to do corporate executive teams, so boards and executive teams, because they seem to need it because diversity and inclusion is a big hoax, as you know, and, like, 95% of diversity and inclusion is run by white women. And hey, companies, white women are not diverse and are not inclusive. Regina: Well, and where do you think they get their information about racism?Saira: Yeah.[Flex bomb sfx]Saira: What we've heard from a lot of--like, the three non-white diversity and inclusion officers in the country have talked to us and said, you know, "How great would it be if you two could come in and say the things to the board and my colleagues that we can't say without getting fired?" They can get fired. We can say the shit they can't.Regina: And I just had this conversation with my husband yesterday. We've got some things going on in Colorado with our judiciary. The office of the Supreme Court in Colorado has nine black employees out of 260 something, and none of those are at a management level. So we were having this conversation and I said to him, "You know, Gary, me and Saira, we can talk shit 'cause we don't have to answer to anybody. I don't have to keep a job. We don't have to play politics. We get to just call a thing a thing." Saira: And I think ultimately, if we want to blow a little smoke up our bums, I think that people kind of like us at these dinners.Regina: I could care. [laughs]Saira: No, no, but he's asking why they [?].Regina: Oh, yeah. They want to be our friends. They want black and brown people to like them. And this is really interesting. I just--while we're talking about this, I just got a three-page letter from a white woman friend of mine--[I've known?] her probably 40 years--who is married to a black man, and in the letter she wanted--she had read The Guardian and she wanted to know about if we were gonna take on the issue of how white women that are married to black women are treated in black women spaces, okay? So that's what she wrote me about, and I talked to my husband and I said, "Here's the issue. We can't trust you." I said, "When 53% of [white women] voted for Donald Trump, and then they want to tell us, "Oh, we're in your corner," we can't trust you." So until we can trust you, I doubt that we're gonna accept you.Saira: Yeah, and Regina said that at one dinner last summer. You know, we were talking about trust, and one of the women said, "Well, that hurts my feelings. You mean to tell me you don't trust any of us in this room?" And she goes, "No, I do." She goes, "I trust Saira with my life," but she goes, "I don't trust the rest of you bitches." [both laughing]Regina: You know, it is what it is. In order to be trusted you have to be trustworthy, and white women have not proven themselves to be that.Saira: Not just that, they've proven themselves to NOT be that.Regina: Yeah.Zach: And so then, you know, in some of the pieces that I read about Race2Dinner, I know that there are executive leaders who are white women who attend Race2Dinner, and I'm curious about, from your perspective, what is it that you're seeing leaders are doing or not doing that is hampering inclusiveness and equity in their respective workforces?Saira: We just had a dinner in Chicago, what, like, two weeks ago, and I would say this was one of those--you were asking what were sort of the most poignant moments, well, this was one of the more poignant moments for me because we kind of saw the whole ecosystem at play. So this woman is a nurse in Chicago, and she said--and she, like, got teary, and she said a month earlier she was in a meeting with 9 other white women nurses and doctors and their boss, who's a white guy. A doctor, okay? A doctor. These are people who deal with brown and black lives all the time. And he said that the big thing they need to tackle in 2020 [was?] hiring foreign-born doctors, and she said, "Well, guess what I did?" And we were like, "We know what you did. Nothing, right?" So she said, "I went through the whole thing in my head. "Maybe he didn't mean it." But she was like, "No, all the foreign-born people that we've been hiring, Norwegian and French doctors. We had been hiring brown and black doctors." And she said, "I didn't say anything. I didn't say a word." And I said, "Did anyone else?" And she said no. So that to me was like, "Oh, my God." And I said, "[?] that. So you just upheld--what you all, the ten of you white women did, was every bit as toxic as what the white guy did."Regina: And harmful.Saira: And harmful. And so, you know, I said, "What if you broke the cycle there? What if you had said something?" And then Regina of course said, which is true, "Here are some of the ramifications. Let's play this out. You could have been fired, right? They would make up an excuse to fire you. "You've become a troublemaker" or whatever. You become demoted. You're ghosted. All the stuff that we've experienced, but they would think twice before saying and doing this harmful stuff the next time. Like, using your voice in these professional settings is so important because it moves the needle in a way that [?] they can actually move the needle. And, you know, she totally got it. Meanwhile, white lady to her right does exactly what they always do 'cause they need to set themselves apart. She goes, "Ugh, I can't believe that you did that. I would never do that." I was like, "No, no, no. Like, let's back it up. Of course you would, and you do, so why do you feel--" She goes, "Well, I know that you think that it's not possible that I'm not like that," and I was like, "You're all like that by training, you know?" And so, anyway, it was the need to separate herself from, you know, classic white woman behavior, and what was great is the other women at the table did come after that woman and say, "Come on, you know that we all do this. We're all silent at dinner tables. We're all silent in executive meetings."Regina: Exactly. One of the things that I make sure that I tell women, this is just the beginning. If you are going to be in this work, #1: It's work. You will be doing this for the rest of your life. #2: If you expect to gain anything, boy, are you wrong. You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose relationships. You're gonna lose jobs. You're gonna lose friends. This is not a winning game. It's not a winning game for us, and it's definitely not a winning game for white people.Zach: Oooh. See, I don't have sound effects for, like, spiciness. That's why I've been dropping that Flex bomb from time to time, but I will say this has been incredible. Before we let y'all go, any parting words?Regina: I want to shout-out to Genevieve and Lisa.Saira: The two white women who work with us.Regina: Yep.Zach: Come on, white ladies. [air horns sfx]Regina: Thank you for having us on this show, and I'm looking forward to listening to this interview.Zach: We're looking forward to everybody hearing it. Y'all, yo, now, I told y'all at the top of this it was gonna be spicy, so y'all don't--don't be emailing me with your complaints. You want to see the manager? I'm the manager. Y'all know we are unbought and unbossed, okay?Regina: That manager stuff doesn't work with me, so I get you. [laughs]Zach: Yes. No, it's not. All the emails go to me, Ade and Aaron, so we not--nope. [laughs] Y'all, this has been--man, this has been a dope conversation. You've been listening to the co-founders of Race2Dinner, and just thank y'all, thank y'all. Saira Rao, Regina Jackson. Make sure you check us out on Instagram @LivingCorporate, on Twitter @LivingCorp_Pod. Just Google us, you know what I'm saying? If you look up Living Corporate we're gonna pop up there. SEO is strong enough, okay? Check us out on all of our domains, www.living-corporate--please say the dash--dot com, livingcorporate.co, livingcorporate.us, livingcorporate.org, livingcorporate.net. We got all the different domains, y'all, we just don't have livingcorporate.com yet. Like, Australia owns livingcorporate.com, but one day we're gonna get that domain too. And shoot, if you have questions just make sure you just DM us. DMs are wide open. You don't have to follow us back. We're thirsty like that. Just hit us up. You can also email us at livingcorporatepodcast@gmail.com. Until next time, this again has been Zach, and you've been listening to Regina Jackson and Saira Rao, co-founders of Race2Dinner. Make sure y'all check out the information in your show notes, and make sure you sign up and go to have a racy conversation. All right, y'all. Peace.

**Permission to use "We Shall Overcome" Has been graciously provided by Reverend Kenneth T. Whalum, Jr. "We Shall Overcome" is performed by The Morehouse College Glee Club & directed by Dr. David E. Morrow ** ~~~ Who is Juanita Abernathy and why is she more instrumental to the Civil Rights Movement, than even Rosa Parks? Stop what you're doing. Listen to these episodes. Because Juanita Jones Abernathy was an American Hero & A Civil Rights Movement LEGEND. ~~~~~~~~~~ This is Part 1 of a 2 Part episode - The Juanita Abernathy Experience. This is the last interview Juanita Abernathy gave in her life. She was my mother in law, one of the great leaders of the American Civil Rights Movement.... And The Greatest Human Being I've Ever Known R.I.P. Mother ... you done good. You inspired me to be a better man, husband, son, brother, friend, uncle, cousin, and Human Being. All My Love, Dar In This Episode: 7:42       Juanita talks about the Selma to Montgomery march 8:54       The KKK bombed her home 11:04    Her story moves Dar to tears 11:32   Still fighting the Good Fight 11:40    Viola Liuzzo came to help black folks get the voting polls 13:39    The racists were having a fit 14:15    Juanita talks about lynching parties 15:00   Discussing the lynching of a young black man in Atlanta, 2016 16:25    Cry “Holy” 17:08    The more things change, the more they stay the same 18:03    Don't get too comfortable 19:02    Dar discusses the effects of the 2016 election on his wife 19:33   We can't stop speaking out 21:06    Juanita meets Viola Liuzzo's children 22:03    Racism has always been a part of America 23:23   Juanita talks about Rosa Park's arrest & The Montgomery Bus Boycott 25:06   From the buses to station wagons 26:28    The power of nonviolent protest 28:43    Why she renounced the Pledge of Allegiance 29:30    What her husband had to say about it 30:32   She overheard her mother say this prayer every night LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Juanita Abernathy - National Park Services Juanita Abernathy - Wikipedia page Selma to Montgomery March Picture of her house after the bombing (scroll to the bottom of the article) Viola Liuzzo Donzaleigh Abernathy (Don-za-lay) - my wife's book "Partners to History" "And The Walls Came Tumbling Down" - RDA - my father in laws autobiography Rosa Parks Montgomery Bus Boycott ~~~ YOUR FREE GIFT!! Centerpointe Research Institute creates neuro-audio tools like Holosync, and online personal development programs to help you become your happiest healthiest You. It's Centerpointe's 30th anniversary this year, and they're celebrating by giving away one of their most popular soundtracks. “15 Minute Rescue & Renew” will help you: Collect your emotionsReset your entire daySet a new pattern… …for handling stressful situations in the future. ​​Now you can totally reset your day in 15 minutes or less! ​15 Minute Rescue & Renew uses powerful Holosync technology (embedded beneath a soothing musical track with gentle ocean sounds) to alter brainwave states, bringing your brain down to… ​…a calm and tranquil “theta” state (feelings of deep relaxation and contentment). ​In addition, 15 Minute Rescue & Renew begins with a brief audible guide followed by powerful affirmations––recorded in Centerpointe's proprietary Autofonix™ encoding technology… …composed exclusively for this amazing soundtrack. (Just click HERE to receive your copy) This is exclusive to the listeners of The Art of Being Dar. 

Hi folks! This is the episode we have been most excited to share! We feature a documentary called Home of the Brave about Viola Liuzzo and her murder in 1965.  Such an important topic and a story that everyone should know.  As a special note I was privileged enough to get the chance to speak with Viola's daughter Mary Liuzzo Lillibroe.  Hope you enjoy!

This week, on the eve of our celebrations surrounding Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. , we begin with a reflection on the origins of We Shall Overcome. Then following a reading from Martin Luther King Jr. , Rev. Brian Chenowith recounts the Civil Rights tragedy of a Unitarian Universalist martyr, Viola Liuzzo. Also featuring Alana Ghent as the singing voice of Viola. Support the show (https://www.paypal.com/donate/?token=d-CcoL6oQgAQLay31fDlldX0lG4pPB-spBUmKaBZ51foVF7NWvq9Kt1J_o17tiIgZw9kpm&country.x=US&locale.x=US)

The Memory Palace is a proud member of Radiotopia, a collective of independently owned and operated podcasts. Music  Absence by Matti Bye. Notes There are a number of excellent books about Viola Liuzzo. I found Selma and the Liuzzo Murder 

While Rachael is on vacation, Andrew and Mari sit down to discuss the murder of civil rights activist Viola Liuzzo and the tenets of tarot. This episode features descriptions of right-wing terrorism. If you're sensitive to this topic, please proceed with caution.

In this episode of #AskAMillennial, I answer a question from Civil Rights Activist, Mary Liuzzo Lilleboe (@MaryLiuzzoLille), daughter of the Civil Rights martyr, Viola Liuzzo. Question: Do you find any value in the experiences and wisdom that can only be learned through time . . . Or are you so fed up with the legacy you've been left that you want to start over without any input from those who were in charge before you? Subscribe to our podcast and follow us on Twitter @MillennialEdit1   Music: Lost Time, Eveningland  

Viola Liuzzo left her middle class life as a homemaker in suburban Detroit to join the civil rights movement. Less than a year later, the white mother of four died at the hands of the KKK in Alabama. And the FBI protected her murderer. We talk with criminal justice professor Dewhitt Bingham about his book "Viola Liuzzo, a True Martyr."

This is Robin Lofton and I want to welcome you to rememberinghistory.com where are remembering history and we’re making it. Hello, habari gani, nangadef! I’ll explain that one a bit later. Right now, you are at a safe place to remember African American history, a quiet place to reflect on the African American experience and a powerful place to make history every single day.   I’m so glad that you’re here so we can share in this journey together. History should be a shared experience. So, let’s get started.   This is the month that we, at rememberinghistory.com, remember and acknowledge the activists who are working for a better world, we reflect on the importance of activism in the African American community and we resolve to keep up the work of the activists—past and present—to make changes in our communities, our country and yes even our world.   In April, we remembered the life and work of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (one of the world’s foremost activists) who, sadly, was assassinated on April 4, 1968. This year, 2018, marks the 50thanniversary of his death. His legacy definitely endures. However, the goals and visions that he had for a better world have definitely NOT been realized.  Poverty, injustice, economic, political and social inequality, violence, group supremacy. They are still a part of the American experience—the global experience, in fact—so we still have LOTS of work to do. And I’m so impressed with the constant, fearless of work of activists that are working and fighting to make a better world.   Music   Do you like movies?   I don’t really care for movies. But there are exceptions. I’ve noticed that there are more movies about history and cultural experiences.  And I really enjoy those kinds of movies. I’ve noticed, in particular, that there are more movies about African American history (or American history, actually) like Marshall, Loving, Twelve Years a Slave (based on the amazing book), Hidden Figures (again, based on the amazing book) and lots of others.  They always make me think a lot—then I start doing research. And I learn so much.  I was asked to make a presentation about the movie, Selma. Remember that movie about the Bloody Sunday march—it happened on March 7, 1965, on the Edmund Pettus bridge in Selma, Alabama. (Yeah, that name should be changed; he was a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.) My presentation was simply to introduce the movie then we would watch the film and the audience would have a discussion about the importance of the march itself and voting rights in America.   To prepare for this presentation, I watched Selma. I had already seen the movie but I watched it again just to be more familiar with it. I had forgotten what a powerful movie that it was so I was kinda seeing it again for the first time.  Several things struck me about the movie.   First, the importance of the activists in the film. Yes, there was Dr. King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, John Lewis and SNCC (the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee).  Yes, they were important and powerful.   But I was also impressed with people who showed up for the march for voting rights, the people who went to register to vote in Alabama like Annie Lee Cooper but was turned away by the registrar. By the way, Oprah Winfrey plays this role stunningly in the opening scene of the movie. I remember hearing so many people gasp when the registrar demanded that she name all of the judges in Alabama!  There was Jimmy Lee Jackson, a 26-year old woodcutter, army veteran and father.  Yes, he was a Black man. He had repeatedly tried to register to vote for many years and had been repeatedly denied.  In the movie and in real life, he (along with his mother and grandfather) participated in a night march to protest the arrest of another activist—James Orange—who was being held in the county jail. During that night march, the local police attacked the marchers and chased them through the night, beating them. Jimmie Lee and his mother and grandfather ran into a café to hide but police found them and continued beating them. As Jimmie Lee tried to help his mother who had been hit with a billy club, a state trooper shot him repeatedly in the stomach. Bleeding and in terrible pain, Jimmie Lee ran outside where troopers continued to beat him until he collapsed. Jimmie Lee died 8 days later in the hospital. That part was one of the most moving and difficult scenes of the movie. By the way, it is commonly thought that the Bloody Sunday march was about voting rights. This is a misconception. The march was actually held to protest the shooting and murder of Jimmie Lee Jackson by the Alabama police. (Unfortunately, we’ve had a lot of those marches in the past few years too.)   Let’s discuss another activist from the movie: Reverend James Reeb.   After the Bloody Sunday march, Dr. King had asked all people of conscience from around the country to come to Selma for another march across the bridge.  People of all faiths, races and ethnicities answered his call. Rev. Reeb was one of the people who didn’t hesitate to go to Selma to march for voting rights.  Rev. Reeb was a 38-year old Unitarian Universalist minister from Boston. And, yes, he was white. He was also a member of the SCLC. And he insisted that his four children go to integrated schools and his church was also integrated. He went to Selma—answering Dr. King’s call—to march. For various reasons, the march didn’t happen on the scheduled day. That night, Rev. Reeb and several other ministers when out to dinner at an integrated restaurant. On their way home, Rev. Reeb was attacked by white supremacists. He was viciously beaten and died several days later. The movie showed his murder—for which no one was ever convicted—and it was another excruciating scene to endure. Reverend Reeb was a courageous and principled person who believed in equality, justice and the nonviolent fight for justice and equality.   One activist who was mentioned in the movie but not shown for her courage and activism was Viola Liuzzo.  She was a 38-year white woman,  civil rights activist and mother of five from Detroit. Viola was also a member of the NAACP. She was not on the front lines of marches but played a supportive role by transporting people to and from marches, making lunches and even babysitting. She participated in the 54-mile march from Selma to Montgomery.  After marching to Montgomery, she drove other participants home and was driving with 19-year old Leroy Moton back to Selma. Leroy was a black man who had also participated in the march. On a dark and lonely road, the Ku Klux Klan chased her and shot her in the head. The Klan thought that Leroy was dead so they left the scene.       I know that a movie can’t show everything but I wished that they could have given more than a nod to Viola Liuzzo—she was a courageous activist, principled woman and a loving wife and mother. She deserves to be remembered. Well, that IS what we’re doing here today. We’re remembering the brave activists: Jimmie Lee Jackson, Reverend Reeb, Viola Liuzzo and many others who fought for justice and equality. And they made the world—our world—a better place.   Why do I bring up these stories?  Because this is April and we are focusing on activism and activists.  Not every story can be told and there are so many from the Civil Rights Movement that will NEVER be told, but these people risked everything to make demands of their government, in this case to demand the right to vote for themselves and for others. And they demanded justice for Jimmie Lee Jackson.   The word that comes to my mind: Respect.   Music   So, it’s time to look at the history calendar for this week.  I have two calendars that I use: One is called The Peace Calendar printed by the SyracuseCulturalworkers which is a progressive publisher committed to peace, sustainability, social justice, feminism and multiculturalism. The other is calendar is called A History of Racial Injustice, printed by the Equal Justice Initiative.  EJI is committed to ending mass incarceration and excessive punishment in the United States, to challenging racial and economic injustice, and to protecting basic human rights for the most vulnerable people in American society. Both groups are doing excellent work. Just to give them a shout out, you can purchase their calendars and other products at the rememberinghistory.com website. And, of course, you can make a donation to them to support their work. You’ll find the link at rememberinghistory.com. Hey, we gotta work together!     History is full of things that are interesting and uplifting as well as the disturbing and downright horrific and this week is no different.   Let’s start with the interesting: In the United States, this is National Library Week! So, this is a great time to visit your local public library and perhaps even thank a librarian. Where I live very few public libraries are still open, which is such a shame. As a child, I cherished the days that I spent reading and exploring in my neighborhood library.  So, this is a good week to visit a library—actually, every week is a good week to visit a library. One library that I absolutely love is the African American Museum and Library in Oakland. This is a fantastic combination of historical exhibits with a fully functioning and very comfortable library. Yes, the focus is on the African American experience so the AAMLO (as it is called) offers speeches, jazz and blues concerts, activities for children and an excellent selection of books on African American history and culture. Highly recommended. Go to rememberinghistory.com for more information and links.   Next, we’ll look at this week’s uplifting event in history. April 10 is the birthday of Dolores Huerta--an American labor leader and civil rights activist who co-founded the United Farm Workers.  Born in 1930, Dolores Huerta began her career teaching elementary school. After teaching elementary school, Huerta left her job and began her lifelong crusade to correct economic injustice:[2] She is quoted as saying, “I couldn't tolerate seeing kids come to class hungry and needing shoes. I thought I could do more by organizing farm workers than by trying to teach their hungry children.”   Ms. Huerta is a strong and persistent advocate for the rights of migrant farmworkers, directing the UFW during the historic national grape boycott from 1965 to 1970. That famous boycott led to the signing of a collective bargaining agreement for farmworkers. She also fights for consumer rights and women’s rights. As an advocate for farmworkers' rights, Huerta has been arrested twenty-two times for participating in non-violent civil disobedience activities and strikes, Huerta has been arrested 22 times and suffered severe beatings from law enforcement.  She remains[when?] active in progressive causes. This is an uplifting story about a courageous woman from humble beginnings who fought bravely for causes that improved the lives of one of the most vulnerable groups in the United States, the migrant farmworkers.  Her story is inspirational, uplifting, educational and still continuing. If you would like more information about Dolores Huerta, there is new documentary, called simply, Dolores, that aims to put Huerta where she belongs – alongside Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, and Gloria Steinem as one of the most important US activists and organizers of the 20th century. You can find the DVD or link to the download on the rememberinghistory.com website.     On to the disturbing. April 12 is National Equal Pay Day (in the United States). This important day was founded in 1996. That’s not disturbing. The disturbing part is that, in 2017, Women’s average pay in the United States is still only 79 percent of men’s pay for the same work! While I’m happy about the many advances that women have made, there is clearly more work to be done before we can start patting ourselves on the back or, even worse, getting complacent.  So, perhaps we shouldn’t celebrate or commemorate National Equal Pay day until we actually have equal pay. It is possible! Or as Dolores Huerta said, “si, se puede!” (She coined that term long before Barack Obama.)   Finally, to end with the downright horrific. April 14, 1906. A white lynch mob hangs and shoots to death Fred Coker (aged 20), William Allen (aged 25) and Horace Dunn (aged 20), three black men, before a crowd of 5,000 in a town square in Springfield, Missouri. They had been arrested for robbery and rape though they had strong alibis showing that they did not commit the crimes. The remaining African American population was forced to flee their homes out of fear of continued mob violence. Lynching was a form of racial terrorism used by whites to keep blacks under their thumb once slavery ended. Over 4,000 African Americans (AMERICANS) were lynched from 1877 to 1950. You can get more information on lynching in history and the modern forms of violence against African Americans on the Equal Justice Initiative website—www.eji.org. BTW, you might feel that it does not make sense to mention people who were lynched, especially when it was so long ago—more than a hundred years ago in the cases that I just mentioned.  But I feel that it IS important. These were people. Individuals. And they were killed because of racism—hatred from the mob that killed them AND hatred from the criminal justice system that failed to punish the murderers and from the society that found it acceptable to kill people because of their race.  During those times, the NAACP would put up a sign outside of its window whenever they were notified that a person had been lynched.  The sign said simply, “A man was lynched today.”  We must not forget that it happened or ever diminish its importance no matter how long ago it was. Finally, this does make me think about the African Americans that we hear about very often that are killed by police, security guards or private citizens, the justice system that refuses to punish the offenders AND the society that finds it acceptable.  Gotta think about it. This has been a busy week in African American history and we have just scratched the surface. I hope (like I said about movies earlier) that YOU will dig deeper, do more research and learn more.  There is always more to learn. If you want more guidance or support in your efforts, you might want the services of a history coach. A history coaching service is available at the rememberinghistory.com website to help guide you through the material, answer questions, provide materials, make suggestions for your research or study approach, and support you every step of the way. History is important but it is not always pretty or easy. And no one needs to approach it alone at rememberinghistory.com. The coaches are there to help and happy to work with you in whatever way suits you. *****MUSIC***** At the beginning of this show, I greeted you with Habari gani. You might know that greeting from the Swahili language. The regular Rememberinghistory.com  listeners will remember it from the December show when we celebrated Kwanzaa.  I also greeted you with Nangadef.  That is a greeting that I recently learned when I visited Senegal. Nangadef is a greeting in the Wolof language that asks “how are you?” The traditional response is to say “Mangifi” meaning I’m fine. Why do I bring this up? I’m reflecting on my trip to Senegal.  Travelling is a great way to learn about another culture, language and history.  There was lots of this in Senegal!  One of the main reasons that I went was to visit the island of Goree.  Goree was an important part of the TransAtlantic slave (or, rather, people) trade for more than 400 years. This is where many people where held—after they had been captured—to be transported to Europe and the Americas where they would be enslaved. More than 20 million people passed through the ominous “door of no return” for the three-month journey that ultimately ended with their enslavement in America, Brazil, the Caribbean, England or another country. Twenty million people!  And, I learned that another 6 million people died either on the island of Goree or on the journey across the ocean.  I saw the small, dark rooms where the men, women and children were held for months awaiting the terrible journey. The rooms were overcrowded, small, dark and damp.  People were let out of the room only one time per day to use the bathroom. I also saw the chains and leg-cuffs that were put on them and the punishment room. It was chilling. I stood at the Door of No Return where people left the island and boarded the ships headed to their enslavement in different parts of the world. Strangely, the island place was beautiful: the water was clear and blue, the ocean air was crisp and fresh and the sun was shining. But this was the last view that (at least) 20 million people saw before going below deck and emerging in a new country to be sold into slavery.  Goree is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and I highly recommend visiting this important place. While I have read a lot about the transatlantic people trade and the Isle de Goree specifically, I felt an emotional response when I actually visited the island. And I learned so much.   So, I’m reflecting on the importance of travel as a way of learning and experiencing and FEELING history.  Of course, there is a lot more to Senegal than the Island of Goree. And my guide took me to great places like the cemeteries where both Muslims and Christians are buried, great markets where local people are selling their products—not tourist products—but products for every day living like peanuts (or groundnuts), peanut oil, shea butter, clothes, fresh meats and so much more. We passed on the animal reserves—I’ve got nothing against animals—because we decided to visit the University of Dakar, which has 60,000 students. We weren’t able to sit in on a class but we visited some libraries and bookstores. Another campus is being built and I’m excited to return and visit it. Finally, we visited a Muslim mausoleum which was interesting for many reasons. One main reason was that women had to wear white head coverings and long white skirts. People were there to help you dress properly. When I saw myself dressed in that way, I was shocked. I had never seen myself in this manner and it was eye-opening and mind-expanding.  No, I don’t always want to dress in that manner. But I realized that travelling can help you to see yourself and the world in a different way. And I was grateful for the experience.  So, my reflection for this week is that travelling can be educational AND fun.  Try to leave the resorts and the beach, get off the bus, go for a walk, ask questions and be open-minded. And take it all in. Music It’s story time! Storytelling is a great part of the African American experience, given to us from African cultural traditions. I am pleased to present this story (or fable) written by master storyteller, Eshu. The theme is purpose. Let’s begin with taking a few deep, cleansing breaths to help us focus on this story and its important lessons. Take a moment to get comfortable. Now, breathe in through your nose then out through your mouth. Let’s begin. This story is called The Name of the Tree. Written by master storyteller, Eshu at folktales.net.       The Name of the Tree  Once there was a terrible drought in the land of the animals. A kindly king came from over the mountain and planted a special tree. He told them that this tree would bear fruit all year round in any kind of weather. All they had to do to get the fruit was to speak its name. The name of the tree was Oowungalema. The animals thanked the kind old king and he returned to his own land, which was far over the mountain. The animals then sounded the Great Drum to call everyone for miles around. When all were gathered at the tree, the lion asked Anansi to speak the name of the tree. "I thought you were going to remember the name!" said Anansi. "I don't remember the name!" said the lion, "Someone must know it!" They asked everyone who had been there when the old king planted the tree, but not one of them could remember the name of the tree. They decided to send someone to ask the king for the name. They were all very hungry, so they decided to send someone fast. They sent the hare. The hare ran as fast as he could through villages, across the river, through the bush, over the mountain and straight to the court of the kindly old king. The king told him, "The name of the tree is Oowungalema." The hare ran back, repeating the name to himself as he went along. On the way home, he stopped at the river to rest and take a drink. The water was nice and cool. It felt good after all that running. The hare splashed around for a while to cool himself off, then he got out of the water and started back to the tree. When he got back, the animals all cheered. "Now we can have the fruit! " they shouted. Hare went up to the tree to speak the name, "Oomagamoomoo, no, oobapadoopa, Noomooogamooga" Try as he might, the hare just couldn't remember the name. "We have to send someone else." Lion said at last. So the springbok was sent. She ran all the way to the king over the mountain and tried to keep the name in her head all the way home, but coming through the forest, she tripped over a root and bumped her head. The name was lost again. Next they sent Leopard, but on the way back he started chasing a monkey who was teasing him. He forgot the name as well. Many others tried and failed until finally, the tortoise asked if she might go. Most of the animals laughed because the tortoise is so slow. "Give her a chance!" Anansi said, "She may succeed where the rest of us have failed." The tortoise went to her mother and asked, "What do you do if you must remember something very important?" Her mother told her to keep repeating it no matter what happens. So the tortoise set out on her journey. When she reached the king over the mountain, he said, "The name of the tree is Oowungalema." Tortoise kept repeating it over and over to herself all the way home. When the monkeys teased her in the forest, she only said, " Oowungalema." When she passed by the river and the sound of the water made her thirsty, she looked at the water and said, "Oowungalema." And when she got near her house and her children came running to her, she only said, "Oowungalema." Finally, the tortoise came to the tree. All the other animals were anxiously waiting. The lion spoke, "Tortoise, please speak the name of the tree." Tortoise said, "Oowungalema." At last, the animals were able to eat the fruit. Everyone was grateful to the tortoise who kept to her purpose where every one else had failed. The end. What did you think? Well, I liked this story—of course, I selected it because I like it—but I think that really showed everyone can get distracted away from their purpose. They get caught up in the busyness, thinking that their accomplishing their mission. Then what happens? They realize that they don’t remember how to say Oowungalema (like in the story), or they haven’t done their homework, done their regular fitness, spent time with their partner, written their business plan, done their meditation or whatever mission they set out to do. Or they sit around complaining about injustice, grousing at the latest silly thing that President Trump has said, or they watch CNN obsessively. But they don’t stick to their mission as ACTIVISTS.  It’s easy to get distracted; to forget one’s purpose or mission. And I think that this story shows it well. And even offers a solution to prevent it from happening.  I liked it and I hope that you did too. But I would love to hear your ideas about the story at the rememberinghistory.com website. By the way, if you DID enjoy that story and found the history calendar events when we discussed great activists like Delores Huerta, Jimmie Lee Jackson and African American historical events and achievements, you might like to learn more—because they is lots more! Rememberinghistory.com is committed to bringing this information to you in a fun, educational and memorable way. I’m talking about our Black History Kits. These kits are designed to teach history through videos, games (crosswords), fun quizzes, recipes and books. These multi-dimensional kits will guide you step by step through learning different parts of African American history (like the slavery and reconstruction periods, Black activism and great achievements) as well as experiencing Black culture through making delicious recipes, listening to great music and reading African folktales.  Learning history should be fun. And these Black history kits ARE fun, educational and unforgettable.  There is lots to choose from for adults, kids and families.  I hope that you’ll look at them on the rememberinghistory.com website. And mention this podcast for a free gift! Now it’s time to come to wind things down. Let’s end by taking a few deep breaths to help you absorb and relax. In through your nose then out through your mouth. Again, in through your nose then out through your mouth. Last time, and let’s make this a big inhalation through your nose, then slowly release your breath through your mouth. That’s great. If you like, you can stay for a 5-minute guided meditation to help you relax. Learning history is fun and interesting and definitely important. But it can also cause tension or stress and bring about emotions like anger or fear. And you might feel the need to relax and release some of the tension or difficult emotions.  So, I welcome you to stay for the relaxation meditation will begin immediately after this show. No pressure. No guilt. Everyone makes his, her or their own decision. And, if you don’t have time right now, you can always find this short meditation on the rememberinghistory.com website. I’m Robin at rememberinghistory.com where we are remembering history AND we’re making it. Every day! Bye for now. *****MUSIC*****        

“Today marks the beginning of a determined, organized, mobilized campaign to get the right to vote everywhere in Alabama,” King told supporters at Selma’s Brown Chapel AME Church. “We must be ready to go to jail by the thousands. ... Our cry to the state of Alabama is a simple one. Give us the ballot!”Among those who heard his call was Viola Liuzzo, a 39-year-old white housewife from Detroit. Carl M. Cannon RealClear Politics J. Edgar Hoover began a smear campaign against the victim to divert attention from an inconvenient fact: an FBI informant known to have participated in Klan violence had been in the killers’ car and may even have participated in the slaying. Viola’s family endured Hoover’s claiming that cuts on her arm from the car’s shattered window indicated “recent drug use” and that her proximity to Moton resembled “a necking party,” despite an autopsy revealing no traces of drugs in her system and indicating she hadn’t had sex recently before her death.Donna Britt WP

On this episode of Talking Late Night, Max interviews Tara Ochs, a performer, improviser, writer of her own one-woman show "White Woman in Progress," and actress in the critically-acclaimed movie "Selma." Tara realized her love for performing at a young age when she would reenact Saturday Night Live sketches for her church. When she went to college at Florida State University, she got involved with the Wham-O Players (the group who would later form Dad's Garage Theatre Company). After graduating, Tara moved to Atlanta to pursue a career in theatre and comedy (and also to improvise with Dad's!). She's performed all over (Los Angeles, London, Berlin, the Ocean) with a lot of different people (Damon Wayan's "The Underground," ComedySportz LA, ACME Comedy Theatre, London TheatreSports, Second City). Tara also acted in the movie "Selma," playing the role of Viola Liuzzo. This role led her to write her one-woman show entitled "White Woman in Progress," which ran in early 2017 at 7 Stages Theatre in Atlanta. You can find Tara performing and teaching regularly at Dad's Garage, follow her on Twitter, and check her out as VP of Development over at Picture It Productions! Thank you for tuning in! Be sure to like and share our Facebook page here, and also rate and leave us a review on iTunes!

The Context of White Supremacy hosts the 5th study session on the 2017 autobiography of the late Coretta Scott King, My Life, My Love, My Legacy. It's been more than a decade since Mrs. King passed away. Before her death, the civil rights veteran collaborated with veteran journalist, Rev. Dr. Barbara Reynolds. The New Orleans Tribune praised the autobiography, calling it a timely read for the current climate of flagrant hostility and "emboldened" White Supremacy. Last week's session chronicled the historic 1963 March on Washington D.C. Mrs. King shared her thoughts on females being ostracized at event and missing out on the chance to meet President John F. Kennedy. Deviating from chronological order, the book transitions from the August march to the November assassination of President Kennedy. Although previously mentioned in the text, the book does not discuss the September bombing of the Birmingham, Alabama church that killed four black girls as a bitter reprisal for Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech." Mrs. King exudes tremendous sorrow over Kennedy's death, describing him as 20th century White Jesus and a "friend" to the movement. Similar White Identification is on display when she mourns the loss of the two White Men killed along with James Chaney in 1964 as well Viola Liuzzo, a White woman killed in 1965. Mrs. King also notes that she and Dr. King underestimated the power and danger of J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI and the COINTELPRO operation targeting the black freedom fighters like she and her husband. We'll compare this text to some of the other memoirs we've covered on the book club - Maya Angelou, Assata Shakur, Malcolm X. #AnswersForMiriamCarey INVEST in The COWS - http://paypal.me/GusTRenegade CALL IN NUMBER: 641.715.3640 CODE 564943#

In order to make positive change for marginalized people, privileged people must care about and stand up for equal rights. The story of Viola Liuzzo shows us how deep the impact of true empathy is felt.

In December 1965, three members of the Ku Klux Klan were found guilty over the murder of white civil rights activist, Viola Liuzzo, in one of the first successful prosecutions of its kind in the United States. Viola Liuzzo was killed on the final day of the Selma to Montgomery march, when thousands of civil rights activists marched to demand that blacks be allowed to register to vote. Witness talks to one of the lawyers involved in the landmark case. Photo: A Ku Klux Klan meeting in Beaufort, South Carolina, in 1965. (Credit: Harry Benson/Getty Images)

Welcome back to rememberinghistory.com where we are remembering history and we’re making history.  We continue in this third wiki history podcast about Less Famous People involved in Civil Rights. In this podcast, we will focus exclusively on women who participated and died in the struggle for civil rights. Why should we spend an entire podcast focusing on women heroes of the civil rights movement? Great question. I think that I can give you a great answer. I noticed, in my research on civil rights heroes, that there were lists devoted to this subject by organizations that I respect. When I read the lists, I found very few women.  Perhaps only one or two on a list of twenty or thirty people.   It seems like the stories about women heroes are not being told, they are being forgotten and that’s completely contrary to what rememberinghistory.com stands for.  There are other reasons but I will discuss those reasons in the context of a larger issue that will be presented towards the end of this podcast. Stay tuned.   I hope that you have heard the previous podcasts about civil rights heroes like Harry and Harriett Moore who fought for equality in education and investigated lynching and police brutality in Florida. There was also George Washington Lee who fought for voting rights and Corporal Roman Ducksworth who refused to be put into the colored section of a bus in Mississippi.       In the last podcast, we focused on the white people (or rather heroes) like William Lewis Moore who held single man marches to promote equality and integration and Rev. James Reeb who lived in Black neighborhoods, sent his kids to integrated schools and answered Dr. King’s call to march in Selma, Alabama where Rev. Reeb was killed by white segregationists.  Finally, there was Rev. Bruce Klunder who was killed when he tried to stop the construction of a segregated school in Cleveland. There were a lot more people that I was not able to discuss but I  (and I ‘m truly sorry about that) because they deserve to be remembered and honored for the service in the fight for civil rights. They were courageous and committed and should not be forgotten.    Please also remember that there is a lot more information and plenty of resources such as books, DVDs and audiobooks in the Books & Stuff store at rememberinghistory.com. Well, let’s get started. We have a lot to cover and I want to keep it wiki.   I do want to caution that some of these stories are rather violent. I won’t go into too much detail about the violence, but I do want to tell what really happened.  The truth in history is my objective—always. And I just want to give you some notice that this is a slightly longer podcast because we have so much to discuss: In the beginning, we’ll discuss two strong and courageous women who worked for voting rights and were killed by the Klan.     Then we’ll discuss a white woman (who was a wife and mother of five) who met with a tragic end. We’ll conclude with a discussion of the special position of women (all women) who fought for civil rights and how they were specific targets for sexualized violence and intimidation.   Let’s begin with two brave and determined African American women who fought for voting rights in Mississippi.   Birdia Beatrice Clark Keglar was born on June 1, 1908 in Charleston, Mississippi (not South Carolina, but Mississippi). Charleston is located in north central Mississippi and is the county seat of Tallahatchie County.  Birdia Keglar was known from an early age to be independent and very self-reliant, perhaps because she was youngest child in a very large family. She attended high school in Charleston but quit in the 11 grade to work and help support her family. She worked on the family farm until she got married on Christmas Day in 1924 at the age of 16. She had two sons but the marriage didn’t last.  After the end of her marriage, she ventured out to Memphis, Tennessee to get a more experience and see another part of the country. Her first job was at a local segregated swimming pool, which was frustrating to her because she could not use or get close to any of the pool facilities, except to clean.  She returned to Charleston and started working at the city’s first Black dry cleaners, which was owned by her uncle.   However, the owners of the local funeral home were impressed with her and enticed her away from her uncle’s business to the Fox Funeral Home of Granada. This would prove to be a very significant job for her because it was also where many civil rights activities and meetings were held. She remained at the funeral home until her death.   Because of her exposure to civil rights at the funeral home, Birdia Keglar quickly got involved in the local civil rights activities. She began to travel to other cities too like Granada, Greenwood, Clarksdale and Jackson to coordinate civil rights activities. At the same time, she was caring for her aging mother and young nieces and nephews.  And she remained active in the community and her church. She established a local girl scout troop (that was a first for black girls!), collected and distributed food and clothing to the poor, accompanied friends and family members to medical and law appointments and, at her church, became President of the local Usher Board.   In 1965, Birdia Keglar became more involved in civil rights activities, particularly voting rights. She was the first Black person to vote in Tallahatchie County and she encouraged other Blacks to register and vote. She began organizing the first Tallahatchie County Branch of the NAACP and solicited memberships in the local population. Unfortunately, she was killed before the branch was fully operational.     As you can probably expect, Birdia Keglar was subjected to constant death threats and was forced to take different routes to get home or sometimes she could not go home at all because it was too dangerous. She often had to be escorted down the street by local Black men to protect her from assaults by white segregationists. This was dangerous for everyone. And, yes, Birdia  Keglar did go to Selma to march with Dr. Martin Luther King.   The following year, 1966, Birdia  Keglar attended, in Jackson, Mississippi, a civil rights rally that was attended by Senator Robert Kennedy. On her return trip home, Birdia Keglar and four others (one of whom I will discuss in just a moment) were pursued by Klansman in Sidon, Mississippi, driven off the rode and killed. It is reported that Birdia Keglar’s body was found with her face slashed and arms cut off.  The local sheriff ruled her death as an accident. No further investigation was made.  Her son, Robert, did try to get information from the FBI about his mother’s killing but he was killed three months later while making inquiries.   Birdia Keglar was one of those people who uplift everyone that they meet.  She was a courageous woman who was determined to make a difference—and she did. In her honor, June 1st is remembered as Birdia Keglar Day in Tallahatchie County and a portion of Highway 35 has been called Birdia Keglar Highway.     Her story was included in a book called Where Rebels Roost: Mississippi Civil Rights Revisited by Susan Klopfer. It is an excellent book and gives much more information about his courageous lady and others who also fought for civil rights in that dangerous state.  The book is available in the bookstore at rememberinghistory.com. I hope that you will read it and let me know what you think.    For her work in civil rights and voting rights and her courage in getting other African Americans to vote, we recognize and honor Mrs. Birdia Beatrice Clark Keglar and thank her for her service. (applause)   The next woman that I will discuss in this podcast was also fighting for civil rights and, sadly, was killed with Birdia Keglar and three others on the return home from a civil rights meeting in Jackson, Mississippi. But I’m jumping ahead. Let me introduce Mrs. Adlena McKinley Hamlett.   Adlena Hamlett was a bold and courageous civil rights activist, focusing primarily on voting rights for African Americans.  Born in Scobey, Mississippi in 1889, Mrs. Hamlett was also a respected elementary school teacher. She was a strong believer in the power of education to empower African Americans and she spent extra time teaching Black children to read and write proficiently.       Adlena Hamlett was committed to the passage of a Voting Rights Bill to guarantee the right to vote for all Americans. In fact, she testified before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights about voting rights violence and harassment of civil rights workers.  She also participated in numerous civil rights protests, marches and organizations to help African Americans register and vote.  For her work, she was constantly threatened, harassed and, a few months before her death, an effigy of her was hanged.  She was told unequivocally that, if she continued with her activities, she would be killed. She was not deterred.   On January 11, 1966, she was returning home from a conference on voting rights that was attended by Senator Robert Kennedy. She was in her gold-toned Plymouth Fury with her best friend, Birdie Kegler (whom we just discussed) and three others when the Klan pursued her car and drove it off the road in Sidon, Mississippi.  She (and Birdie Keglar) were tortured, mutilated (arms dismembered) and killed. Mrs. Hamlett had been beheaded. She was 78 years old. No one was ever arrested or prosecuted for the crime. In fact, the prosecutor decided that a drunk driver had hit the car causing it to go off the road and kill Adlena Hamlett and Birdie Keglar. The other passengers in the car were injured but survived. To this day, the Department of Justice refuses to open a cold case file or revisit the killings.        Adlena Hamlett’s grand-daughter remembers her grandmother as a strong woman who was committed to exercising her right to vote.  She remembers going to a voting booth with her grandmother. The white lady clerk at the polling station tore up her grandmother’s ballot.  Her grandmother was unfazed and simply said, “It is my constitutional right to vote. I’ll come back again and again.”   Adlena Hamlett was a courageous and strong woman who fought for civil rights.  She refused to be scared away and instead kept moving forward. For her ability to come back again and again, we honor and remember Mrs. Adlena Mckinley Hamlett. And we thank her for her service.   And, by the way, you can find out more about Adlena Hamlett in the book named Where Rebels Roost: Mississippi Civil Rights Revisited, which you can find in the rememberinghistory.com bookstore.   The last person that I want to discuss is someone whom I hinted at in the previous podcast. I did not say her name but I did say that she was mentioned in the Selma Movie. Today, I’m going to say her name:  Mrs. Viola Liuzzo.   Is her name familiar to you?  I hope so because she was an “unlikely soldier” in the struggle for civil rights. She didn’t look like a person who would be a part of that movement but she was a strong-willed, principled woman who believed in equality.  I’m jumping ahead of myself. Let me tell her story.   Viola Fauver Gregg Liuzzo was born in 1925 in Pennsylvania. Viola grew up very poor, a child of the Depression. Her father, who was a coal miner, was injured on the job and couldn’t work any longer to support the family. Her mother took teaching jobs whenever she could find them to support the family. They later moved to Chatanooga, Tennessee where they lived in extreme poverty. This was where Viola first witnessed racial segregation and systematic racism.  She witnessed that, even though she was very poor, her family (being Caucasian) still had social privileges and rights that were denied to African Americans in the South.    In 1943, she married and had two children then divorced. Later, she married Anthony Liuzzo and had three more children.  The family lived in Detroit. She joined the Unitarian Universalist Church (remember this was the same church of Rev. James Reeb) and she joined the NAACP.  Because of the Church and her experience with segregation in Tennessee and, from what I understand was her very strong-willed personality, she became involved in civil rights and social activism.   She helped to organize protests against segregation in Detroit (yes, there was segregation in Detroit, Michigan!), attended civil rights conferences and worked closely with the NAACP and the SCLC.  By the way, she also protested laws that allowed children to drop out of school at an early age. This was probably in response to her own experience in dropping out of school at age 16. To protest, she homeschooled for two months for which she was arrested, convicted and placed on probation. This visionary lady started homeschooling before it was popular (like today) but she really believed that children should be encouraged to stay in school. Still, she made a strong stand for her principles.   In March, 1965, horrified by the images of police brutality and violence at the Bloody Sunday March in Selma, Alabama, Viola Liuzzo travelled to Selma saying that the struggle was “everybody’s fight.”  Answering Dr. King’s call for people to join the protest in Selma, Mrs. Liuzzo left her five kids with family friends, contacted the SCLC and got to work.  She delivered food and water to various locations, welcomed and recruited volunteers and transported volunteers and marchers to and from airports, bus terminals and train stations in her 1963 Oldsmobile. She participated in the later, successful and largely peaceful march from Selma to Montgomery.   After the third march in Selma, ending on March 25, Viola Liuzzo and Leroy Moton, a 19-year Black student were driving protesters to airports, bus terminals and back to universities.  They stopped to get gas at a local filling station and were subjected to verbal abuse and intimidation.  They left Route 80 but were followed and a car tried to run them off the road. Later on a back road returning to Selma, they were pursued by Klansmen who quickly overtook her Oldsmobile. Three Klansmen fired shots directly into the car at Viola Liuzzo. She was hit and killed instantly. Although he was covered with blood, Leroy Moton was not shot. He lay motionless as the Klansmen checked the car then left. He flagged down a passing motorist, who happened to be another volunteer working to transport protesters from the march.   Viola Liuzzo’s funeral was held five days later and was attended by hundreds of people and many civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King and Roy Wilkens. Interestingly, her funeral was also attended by teamster president, Jimmy Hoffa.   The FBI quickly arrested and indicted the four Klansmen. (An interesting fact is that one of the Klansman killers indicted was actually an FBI informant.) The trials were something of fiasco. The first trial resulted in a mistrial after the prosecutor used blatantly racist terminology about Viola Liuzzo including calling her a “white n-word.” The second trial was delayed when the defense attorney was killed when he fell asleep while driving. However, in the end, the all-white jury acquitted the killers of murder. Afterwards, they went to a Klan conference where they were greeted with a standing ovation. The defendants were later convicted on federal charges.   Viola Liuzzo was criticized by many organizations as having brought her death upon herself for engaging in such risky and dangerous activities as civil rights. This was considered extremely radical and controversial for a white woman, especially a mother.   But she has also received many posthumous awards and recognitions.  Her name was added to the Civil Rights Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama. There was also a documentary made about her called, Home of the Brave. You can find this documentary in the bookstore at rememberinghistory.com.   For her boldness and commitment to civil rights, we honor and remember Mrs. Viola Liuzzo and thank her for her service. (applause)   I want to conclude this podcast on women warriors (or heroes or martyrs) by briefly discussing why I chose to devote a podcast to focusing on women.  Yes, in the first podcast, I discussed various people (5 men, and 1 woman) who were killed in the civil rights movement. In the second podcast, I focused only on white people involved (or rather, killed) in defense of civil rights. In this final podcast, I focused on women, both black women and white women, who were killed during the civil rights movement.  Most of the people (perhaps, all) are not widely known.  That is the sad story that links them. So, why did I choose to devote this podcast to women?   Because women faced a special kind of violence during the civil rights movement.  In general, women are subjected to specific and focused violence and intimidation in most conflicts even today, and this was certainly true during the fight for civil rights in the United States.   Women were specifically targeted and sexually assaulted by racist civilians and law enforcement who battered their genitals, grabbed their breasts, yelled gender/sexual epithets, attacked the abdominal region of pregnant women, threatened the women with sexual violence or actually committed rape.  These were routine occurrences for which the perpetrators were seldom punished.   In fact, incidents of ritualistic rape and intimidation were common and remained largely unpunished.  Women, who reported these crimes, were often accused of being prostitutes and faced public criticism and humiliation as well as imprisonment and possibly having their children taken away.   Racist groups like the Ku Klux Klan specifically targeted and worked to intimidate women fighting for civil rights. They attacked and isolated women in their homes, or while walking down the street or driving along roads. They used violence, threats and other forms of intimidation (including threatening their children) to try to stop women from participating in civil rights or voting rights activities.   We’ve discussed a few examples. Think of Birdia Keglar and Adlena Hamlett who were killed by the Klan on their way home from giving testimony about voting rights. When the Klan drove their car off the road, the elderly women were taken from the car and marched into the woods where they were tortured, mutilated and killed. The men were left in the car.  Adlena Hamlett been threatened numerous times and had an effigy hanged to intimidate her.  The local sheriff had constantly threatened Birdia Keglar. She actually needed body guards (men who volunteered) to walk with her. Many people remember Birdia Keglar as terrified of the hostile sheriff and afraid every day of her life. And they also remember that she got out every day, registered people with the NAACP and helped other Black people to register to vote—despite her fear. Viola Liuzzo faced many problems even though she was a middle class white woman. Because she was working for civil rights, she was targeted for harassment, criticized as being a neglectful and selfish mother to her five children, and considered to be unfeminine and basically deserved her fate. There was also talk that she was killed because she was in the car with a black man.  Rumors were spread that she was having sexual relations with black men and that she was a “woman of loose morals.” The FBI worked to tarnish her reputation even after she was killed, possibly as a way to try to justify her murder. Many people simply remember as the unstable, wife-of-a-teamster who was murdered because she was in the car with a black man when she should have been home with her kids. (That’s the kind of criticism that women faced and possibly still face.)   So, women (of all races) who participated in the civil rights movement were targeted for sexual violence and intimidation that men were not subjected to.   And there is a vast amount of information about how white men used sexual violence (including numerous cases of gang rape) against all black women. Often these men were released with a small fine (if any punishment was given) but the victimized black women were brutalized, humiliated and labeled as “amoral jezebels.” (this label is a quote from a Florida judge).   So, that is why I wanted a special podcast to discuss the courage and commitment of women fighting for civil rights, knowing that they could face a particularly brutal form of violence and terror.  One interesting fact that is not widely known is that one woman worked tirelessly to meet with women who had faced sexual violence and to investigate and document cases of sexual violence against women. She would appear on the scene usually within hours, spend time with and interview the women, make sure that they were receiving good medical attention and lobby prosecutors to investigate and prosecute the crimes. This brave woman was Rosa Parks—and she was doing this long before her fateful bus ride that sparked the Civil Rights Movement. For her work in support of victims of rape and terror (and for her well-known act of defiance against segregation in busing), we honor and remember Mrs. Rosa Parks and thank her for her undying and courageous service. (applause)       There are interesting books about violence against women fighting for civil rights and against any black woman in the segregationist states.   One is s called:  At the Dark End of the Street: Black Women, Rape, and Resistance—A New History of the Civil Rights Movement from Rosa Parks to the Rise of Black Power (Knopf, September 2010) by Danielle L. McGuire. It is a groundbreaking new work of history that reinterprets the Civil Rights Movement in terms of the sexualized violence and rape that marked race relations in America for centuries.   Another book, called Free at Last: A History the Civil Rights Movement and those who died in the Struggle by Sara Bullard and Julian Bond.  This book discusses everyone in this podcast series and many more.   Finally, a book that focuses on Viola Liuzzo is called From Selma to Sorrow: The Life and Death of Viola Liuzzo by Mary Stanton. It discusses Liuzzo’s work, her life and her murder. But it also discusses the aftermath of her murder like the trial and J.Edgar Hoover’s campaign to posthumously destroy her reputation and therefore justify her murder.   Again, don’t try to remember the names of these books, they are all available for purchase at the rememberinghistory.com Books & Stuff store and listed on the Facebook page.   So, this concludes the podcast on woman warriors in the civil rights movement—and this three-part podcast series on lesser known heroes (or martyrs) of the civil rights movement.  I hope that you have enjoyed and learned a lot in this podcast. I have. It has not been easy to hear about elderly women being tortured and killed by Klan. Or to hear about gang rape, intimidation and perpetrators laughing about it , paying $25 to the court then going home.  Again, I state that it is not so important how they died. What is important is their courage, commitment and their vision for a better country with equality and equality rights for all. It is so important to remember and honor them:  Mrs. Birdia Keglar, Mrs. Adlena Hamlett, Mrs. Viola Liuzzo and Mrs. Rosa Parks. (applause.)   And it is important to remember that people fought very hard (and were killed) for many of the rights that we enjoy right now (like the right to vote).  So, remember to exercise those rights and use those powers. Get out and vote!   What is happening next month? Oh, there’s a lot going on at rememberinghistory.com! Next month’s podcast series will focus on great historic sites and places to visit.  Yes, there are a few places that are well-known and well-visited. That’s great. But there are other places and activities that are not widely known. Those are the places and activities that I’m going to discuss in the May podcast series. It’s great information for a family vacation when the kids are out of school. The places are educational, fun and you’ll see that they are quite unique. And I just want to let you know that rememberinghistory.com has a Facebook page (of the same name).  On that Remembering History Facebook page, you will find pictures of the people that were discussed, interesting historical sites and great discussions and commentary.  I hope that you will visit there; we know that a picture can speak a thousand words and bring history to life. Would you like to see a picture of Corporal Roman Ducksworth, Viola Liuzzo or Birdia Keglar? You will find them on the Remembering History Facebook page. And you’ll find many more pictures of people and places that are significant in African American history. And, of course, you can feel free to visit the rememberinghistory.com website for the great blog posts and bookstore. Our community can be found in many different places—and they are all connected. Just like us.   Let’s wrap it up now. I look forward to seeing you for the next podcast series on great historic sites in African American history. The first in the three-part series will be released on Tuesday, May 12 and every Tuesday for the rest of the month. Mark your calendars! See you soon at rememberinghistory.com where we ARE remembering history and we’re making history!   Remember to vote!   Bye for now!            

The Context of White Supremacy hosts the weekly Compensatory Call-In. We encourage non-white listeners to dial in with their codified concepts, new terms, observations, research findings, workplace problems or triumphs, and/or suggestions on how best to Replace White Supremacy With Justice ASAP. We'll use these sessions to hone our use of words as tools to reveal truth, neutralize White people. We'll examine news reports from the past seven days and - hopefully - promote a constructive dialog. #ANTIBLACKNESS Whites devoted a grotesque, deliberate amount of attention on the 50 year anniversary of the "Blood Sunday" carnage in Selma. Jimmie Lee Jackson and black Alabamans were once again stomped as Whites smeared images Rev. James Reeb and Viola Liuzzo to demand that there are "good Whites." And White Victims, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promoted while pleading for defense of Israeli sanctuary and discrediting President Obama's foreign policy. Andrea Shea King called for Congressional Black Caucus members who challenged Netanyahu's address to be lynched. Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice formally announced that there would be no indictment of Michael Brown, Jr.'s White killer. However, a simultaneous DOJ report corroborated the claims of enraged black people by finding that the Ferguson Police Department was structurally Racist and prioritized terrorizing and extorting poor black citizens above public safety. Speaking of terrorists, Daniel Holtzclaw's trial date is set for October 26th. #AnswersForMiriamCarey INVEST in The COWS - http://tiny.cc/ledjb CALL IN NUMBER: 760.569.7676 CODE 564943# SKYPE: FREECONFERENCECALLHD.7676 CODE 564943# The C.O.W.S. archives: http://tiny.cc/76f6p

Dr. Catherine Fosl visits The Context of White Supremacy. Dr. Fosl is Associate Professor of Women's and Gender Studies and Associated with the History Department at the University of Louisville. She is the current Director of the University of Louisville Anne Braden Institute for Social Justice. We'll examine Dr. Fosl's biography on Braden, Subversive Southerner: Anne Braden and the Struggle For Racial Justice in the Cold War South. Braden is a White Woman, revered for her alleged contributions to countering Racism. She and her husband (Carl Braden) were excoriated and charged with sedition when they purchased a house in an exclusively White area for a black family. They rubbed elbows with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Jim Foreman, Ella Baker, Rosa Parks, Fred Shuttlesworth and many of the renown black activists of the 1960's. Braden is depicted as a modern abolitionist in equivalent to John Brown, Timothy Wise, Viola Liuzzo, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. In Gus' view, this fits the pattern of worshiping Whites whom are allegedly helpful and not Racist while White Terrorism against black people remains global, ongoing. #AnswersForMiriamCarey #TheCOWS5Years INVEST in The COWS – http://paypal.me/TheCOWS Cash App: https://cash.app/$TheCOWS CALL IN NUMBER: 605.313.5164 CODE: 564943#

Dr. Catherine Fosl visits The Context of White Supremacy. Dr. Fosl is Associate Professor of Women's and Gender Studies and Associated with the History Department at the University of Louisville. She is the current Director of the University of Louisville Anne Braden Institute for Social Justice. We'll examine Dr. Fosl's biography on Braden, Subversive Southerner: Anne Braden and the Struggle For Racial Justice in the Cold War South. Braden is a White Woman, revered for her alleged contributions to countering Racism. She and her husband (Carl Braden) were excoriated and charged with sedition when they purchased a house in an exclusively White area for a black family. They rubbed elbows with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Jim Foreman, Ella Baker, Rosa Parks, Fred Shuttlesworth and many of the renown black activists of the 1960's. Braden is depicted as a modern abolitionist in equivalent to John Brown, Timothy Wise, Viola Liuzzo, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. In Gus' view, this fits the pattern of worshiping Whites whom are allegedly helpful and not Racist while White Terrorism against black people remains global, ongoing. #AnswersForMiriamCarey #TheCOWS5Years INVEST in The COWS – http://paypal.me/TheCOWS Cash App: https://cash.app/$TheCOWS CALL IN NUMBER: 605.313.5164 CODE: 564943#

Song Story features songwriters telling the true stories behind their original songs. We’ve just begun compiling our podcast's first season, but while we’re working, we're releasing some advance segments. This episode short features singer/songwriter/producer Arlan Feiles telling the true story behind his song, "Viola," based on the civil rights martyr, Viola Liuzzo.If you like Song Story, subscribe to the show and follow us on social media like SoundCloud, Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, all @SongStoryShow, and visit SongStoryShow.org for news, our upcoming live events, or to support the show.