The Disruptors Podcast with B.C. & Ski

Most FBI agents don't live a life undercover with criminal motorcycle clubs or extremist groups or ever play the part of a hitman or commit to roles involving public corruption, or be an active member of a regional SWAT team, but FBI Agent Scott Payne has done ALL of the above as well as assignments that are still classified. The guy is a natural story teller! We also talk about his new book, CODENAME: PALE HORSE, his willingness to teach his techniques, his love of SWAT and ensuring the next generation of hard chargers get the best training possible. Instagram: scottpaynebigcountry

Most FBI agents don't live a life undercover with criminal motorcycle clubs or extremist groups or ever play the part of a hitman or commit to roles involving public corruption, or be an active member of a regional SWAT team, but FBI Agent Scott Payne has done ALL of the above as well as assignments that are still classified. The guy is a natural story teller! We also talk about his new book, CODENAME: PALE HORSE, his willingness to teach his techniques, his love of SWAT and ensuring the next generation of hard chargers get the best training possible. Instagram: scottpaynebigcountry

From battling meth, heroin and alcoholism to training Arizona police officers on cycles of dependency, self destruction, and addiction, Shane Watson talks about his head first dive into every drug imaginable only to wake up in one of America's most known jails. Shane shares how he went through withdrawals from behind cell walls yet somehow not only survived but thrived! It was a long road of recovery. Along the way, Shane accrued over 3,000 albums, so we had to talk about music as well. Enjoy! Reach out to Shane via Silverladder.comInstagram @silverladderYoutube channel silverladderdotcom

Imagine being a 19 year old soldier and you get selected to guard Saddam Hussein during his final months of life. The Army may have plucked this play right out of the Silence of the Lambs movie script: Was "Tucker" their Agent Starling?8 hours a day sitting with, at the time, public enemy number one, a man who committed unspeakable acts, atrocities, and directed many others to do the same, sits in front of a 19 year old American soldier day in and day out for months. Eventually, the two talk. For "Tucker" (Not even close to his real name) it was his reality. I knew this guy for a few years before I ever knew the stories he tells me on this episode. Some may get mad hearing these stories, but remember, human beings build bonds when they are in close quarters. Jokes are shared. Stories of home life are told. Grandfatherly advice is given. Great manipulators groom the eager ear. Dictators contort stories into falsehoods. A caged man can seem less and less of a threat the more words he speaks. "Tucker" opens up about all of it. Many of you will be surprised to learn what the trial and final moments of Saddam's life were like through the eyes of his favorite American guard.

Ego-free actor, Bailey Chase and I talk about his incredible acting career spanning two decades through television and the movie screen, his fleeing Los Angeles to a more grounded, easy living town in the South, his exposure to crack cocaine during his teen years, his path to earning a psychology degree while playing football for arguably one of the most overrated colleges in the country. (I'm kidding. I'm sure DUKE is an accurately ranked college.)He and I follow the Art of War tenant that goes something like this: "The enemy of my enemy is UNC Tarheels." Alright y'all, enjoy!Bailey Chase @baileychase: -HOMESTEAD -Buffy, The Vampire Slayer-Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice-Longmire -Saving Grace-Criminal Minds-S.W.A.T. -Chicago PD-CSI-Law and Order: SVUand a lot more.

TAKING UP THE SWORD by Randall Bennett

What does Black Sabbath, Pantera, and MS-13 have in common?Listen to this episode and find out! "My music is violent so I don't have to be." -CJ OrtizCJ Ortiz jumps on the mic to tell stories of metal music, the power of motivation/action, his friendship with co-host "Pat Mac" (Pat McNamara- The University of Badassery Podcast) as well as the origin of Mara Salvatrucha 13 gang and their connection to the metal scene. @metalmotivator

Ever heard of the Greek mob operating in the South?Ever heard of them being tied to political corruption?Ever heard of a mayor being arrested on federal charges for bribery?What begins as buying drugs in an undercover operation slowly becomes a full blown infiltration of the Greek mob, the arrest of a metropolitan mayor, and the crimes in between. Check out Matt Pitcher on IG @retdetmattpitcher

Jason and I met after he read about me in "Walk The Blue Line" by James Patterson and Matt Eversmann. It was the Bad Brains reference that caught his attention. We linked up through IG, and I knew I had to have him on the show.Jason is a L.A. DJ for KCRW, an adjunct professor, music supervisor, photographer, and former first responder. We talk about his life living and working through the L.A. riots, his days working with Sublime and guerilla marketing for "40oz to Freedom" as well as seeing too many bodies during his shifts at the coroners office. Instagram: @kcrwkramerwww.kcrw.com

"When 9/11 happened, I was 11 years old..." Jason Essazay tells of growing up in Kabul under the oppression of the Taliban and dreaming of the day when he could dish out some payback. In his early teenage years, he discovered Tom Clancy novels donated by American soldiers and lending groups. Fueled by his hatred for the Taliban and terrorists and his love of Tom Clancyesque adventure, Jason lied about his age in order to be an interpreter assisting the U.S. Military. Through creative means, he's able to get hired and roll out on missions. Jason, an armed interpreter, tells of volunteering for mission after mission resulting in hundreds or firefights and surrounding explosions. After his years of war, he makes it to America. Starting all over, he works several jobs chiseling away at his goals in this new land, this country he has learned so much about through Tom Clancy plots and stories from American soldiers. While living in America, Jason once again volunteered and joined the USMC as well as started his own company, MEYER DEFENSE. Oh, he also coordinated the overseas efforts to extract his brother (a fellow interpreter) and family during the fall of Kabul. (Episode #65 Kabul extraction...Worth Parker)

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In a time when propaganda is omnipresent, the anti-fascist have become the fascist, and cities are resembling a John Carpenter movie, music matters now more than ever. Folk singer/songwriter, Bryan McPherson, shares his experiences growing up in Boston, moving to California, recording albums, and the bizarre era of lockdowns, mask mandates, friends turning on friends and the effects it is having on society. bryanmcpherson.comInstragram: @bryanmcp

"Cardinal SOG" and I first met on IG over a Social Distortion post in which Mike Ness was getting blasted by keyboard commandos for simply posting a picture of him standing with police officers. Since then, he and I have chatted a lot about the power of music, childhood troubles and trauma, finding purpose in life, and serving to help others.On this episode, he opens up about witnessing the domestic violence his mother endured, her death, gunshots ripping into his trailer, being a latchkey kid, and overcoming hurdles to become a firefighter, EMS, and work search and rescue. Oh...and he was in a band. Instagram: @cardinalsog

Worth Parker is a gifted storyteller, retired USMC MARSOC officer, short-lived prosecutor, hunter, fisherman, and life-long reader. He coauthored, Always Faithful, and has authored numerous articles for NY Times, Garden & Gun Magazine, The Bitter Southerner, Backcountry Journal, Shooting Sportsman Magazine, Salt Magazine, SOFLETE.com, and DieLiving.com.We also touch on his days earning a law degree, working drug cases as a prosecutor, his incredible family lineage, his love of books, writing, and remaining a free-thinking American. IG @b00kwarrussellworthparker.com

Have you ever met a professional surfer who is happy when others win championships? Rick Takahashi has won 16 national surfing championships as well as acquired sponsors in the firearms industry. He talks about his mindset, his surfing career, his history training with rifles and pistols, following his instincts and surviving the 2002 Bali bombing that killed 202 people.

This is why I do this show! I've looked forward to this talk for a long time. People can disagree, but we all must make an effort to be tactful, talk, and learn from one another. Enjoy. Feel free to comment.

For those interested in how America fights crime and terrorism, I give you an incredible guest. NYPD-Joint Terrorism Task Force Detective Tom Smith shares his story of working an international kidnapping case that resulted in him traveling to Afghanistan and working with the military, the FBI, and an intel agency. His specialty in NYPD was flipping criminals into informants. While overseas, he did just that, developed a source, worked the investigation, and.... Tom Smith is also the cohost of The Gold Shields Podcast.

From his days working an informant in bin Laden's inner circle to the investigation and recovery of kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl, Special Agent Randall Bennett talks candidly about in actions during these investigations as well as his book, TAKING UP THE SWORD.

The absolute hardest working man in the industry, JOHN GUARNIERI!!!! Former Secret Service agentCurrent Security Director for Shinedown and Motley CrueHost "Spear Talk Podcast" and cohost of "Talk O Tuesday" with Eric Bass (Shinedown)Cohost of "Boos, Brews, and BBQs" with Ty Sherrell (TX Brew and Barbeque) and Barry Kerch (Shinedown)Spear Talk Book clubWriter "Stay Hungry: A WW2 Horror Comic"

Befriending a cop-hating domestic terrorist was the beginning of Matt Pitcher's infiltration into a cell operating in the South and along the East Coast. With the Democratic National Convention approaching, Matt was introduced to more members who intended on blowing up the DNC... Matt also infiltrated the mafia, but that's a story for another episode. @ret_det_mattpitcher

From skate punk to firefighter, Brent Waterworth describes the 14 day ordeal of fighting the Palisades fires, water supplies running out, growing up a skate punk, his former punk bands and his current band, TAKEN DAYS.

What happens when gangsters become terrorists? While serving 25 years in scores of countries, Special Agent Randall Bennett talks about his days getting shot at in Colombia in the 1990s, surviving the impact of Civil War in Angola, and his role in the "Dirty Bomber" terrorism investigation and eventual capture of Jose Padilla, an alleged former Maniac Latin Disciple gang member turned al-Qaeda trained terror suspect. Bennett has documented his decades of service in his autobiography, Taking Up The Sword .

Mat and Tawni Browing spent years investigating, infiltrating, and rescuing girls from "The Order," a polygamist cult with hundreds of male members who marry their nieces, half-sisters, aunts, and first cousins in order to keep their blood line pure. "The Order" has been linked to crimes against children, kidnappings, multi-million dollar bio-fuel frauds, public corruption, and more.

Is hating someone in a certain M.O.S. the same mindset as racism? Are college graduates "over educated beyond their intelligence?" We jump into this and a lot more.

I've known Seabass since I was a small kid, and he tells it like it is. He explains the world of aliens, spacecrafts, portals, pyramids, and a lot more.

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thedisruptorswithbriansanders.com Not all soldiers think alike. Some want to ban AR-15s. Not all citizens understand the complexities of active shooters and how to combat them in our society. Sgt Vegan and I disagreed on a recent IG post about strategies to address school shooters in America, so we decided we should have a further discussion of banning AR-15s, disrupting school shooters, and more. Sgt Vegan is a former soldier with the 173rd, author of several books, and a registered nurse who grew up in the hardcore scene and now sings in the band, DxFxCx (Death Follows Closely).

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Violence against officers is on the rise. The media keeps stoking the flames of racism, pushing drama like a bunch of school yard instigators, and DREW BREASY's not going to take it anymore. This has been a long time in the making. Drew talks about the trauma dispatchers experience, the war on cops, the truth about racism, implicit bias, the power of changing police culture, and more. Check out weekly episodes of COMM CENTER with DREW BREASY and give him a follow. thecommcenter.com

Ask yourself, "Have I ever met a person who has written several children's books, served in Iraq, sang for a hardcore band, won an award for photography, filmed a documentary, published numerous magazine articles, written a collection of poetry, and can talk for hours about reptiles?" Meet Stan Lake! Enjoy the show and check him out on IG @catchingcreation

From his days as a soldier in the US Army to singer of Dropkick Murphys to being a Boston Firefighter, frontman of one of the greatest bands of all time, STREET DOGS, Michael McColgan talks about his sobriety, the power of a positive mindset, tour life, the world of first responders and more. If you haven't heard of STREET DOGS go check them out! @streetdogsofficial thedisruptors.bc.ski@gmail.com @the_disruptors_podcast (When I first developed the concept for this show, Michael was among the list of potential guests. Many people have heard me praise the power of the punk scene and its ability to produce this era's true believers who help better their scene. Special thanks to "Knocko Nolan" for connecting me with him.)

At the age of 18, he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for attempted murder. While in prison, he was recruited into the Nazi skinhead movement and introduced to the world of race-based hate. Eric Hebert and Brian Sanders talk about Eric's life on the yard, the methods in which inmates are recruited, the meanings of certain acronyms and numbers in tattoos, various white power bands, his path to redemption and a lot more. Eric is the current host of The Change Gang Podcast, speaks at events, and is available for guest spots on shows

He's a talker! Gary Edgington has the background in copland most people only read about. FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force Deployment to Iraq as a Counter Terrorist expert advisor Like most real hard chargers, Gary, is willing to share his knowledge and experiences so others can learn from them. He opens up about the line-of-duty murder of his father and what transpired on that day, his career, and his recent published novel, Outside The Wire.

Great leaders have to be doers and have the actual working knowledge to fight crime and disrupt criminal organizations. The best in the business, Chief Deputy MATT THOMAS (2nd in command) aka "Deputy One Time," is back! His book, INTERCEPTORS, is a must read for any proactive cop, deputy, agent, leader, or supporter out there. Go check him out on Instagram @deputyonetime

Some time ago, two cats on Instagram started chatting about police work and how to find balance...and now they jump on the mic to talk about real police work, recruiting, the true believers who are graduating police academies and rolling out on patrol. Eric Tung, is the host of Blue Grit Radio, a current police leader, and runs the Blue Grit Wellness Instagram account that a lot of the hard chargers have been talking about.

Did boy band, NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK, come from the Boston hardcore scene? Is it possible that punk/hardcore can lead a young adult into becoming a first responder? EK jumps on as an energetic guest telling of his days being a 13 year old drummer in a band called, "Miracle Boy," with then middle -schooler Jordan Knight (yes...that Jordan Knight of New Kids on the Block). EK grew up in the hardcore scene and later became drummer of WARZONE and SICK OF IT ALL then followed his mother's footsteps to become a Boston Paramedic.

Raised in the war on drugs, Kevin Dixie "The Real NOC," saw first hand the effects of over policing, officer corruption, and the effects of fatherlessness in his city. But he also witnessed the positive effects of engaged officers putting in real work. Civil Rights advocate and firearms coach, KD talks about his days of working law enforcement in St. Louis, being the first in his family to earn a college degree, honing his instructor skills, the evolution of gangs in St. Louis, the do's and don'ts in community policing, and his No Other Choice firearms training. Youtube: "THE REAL NOC" Instagram: @thereal_noc

Former Nazi skinhead and current FIREFIGHTER, Christian Picciolini has worked for the last two decades converting over 600 individuals from white supremacist groups, street gangs, and terrorist organizations. His first book, White American Youth, documents his early days as one of the first Nazi skinheads in America to form a band and tour Europe. He quickly rose in prominence among "CASH: Chicago Area Skin Heads" (later rebranded as the Northern Hammerskins chapter) by creating propaganda for the movement. Christian speaks about those days, what made him leave the movement forever, how he learned to become an instrument in Breaking Hate (His second book), his love of music, his band, and his current career as a FIREFIGHTER!

From touring with hardcore bands to his tour in Iraq, Keith Dow tells the origin of Dead Reckoning Collective, publishing poetry, literature, growing up in the hardcore music scene, his days as a bouncer, college student, influential reads, and helping others. "Karmic Purgatory," is the collected poetry of Keith Dow and is a highly recommended read. Dead Reckoning Collective publishes works of poetry and literature. Contact them on deadreckoning.com and IG as well.

Chuck Shute, former teacher, music lover, and current host of The Chuck Shute Podcast, jumps on the mic with The Disruptors to talk about the corrosion of order and discipline in American classrooms, citizens participating in simuntion training scenarios in order to understand the stress involved in police work, execution of search warrants, and of course, MUSIC! Go check out THE CHUCK SHUTE PODCAST and give him a follow. He has a list of great guests and always keeps it interesting.

A natural storyteller and leader, Kory Flowers has over two decades working some of the country's most dangerous gangs and extremist groups. He's an expert in white supremacist organizations and his knowledge comes straight from working one of the country's hotbeds of activity. Kory talks about snapping pics of a "fresh cut" Nazi skin, Wade Michael Page, at a concert in North Carolina. Months later, that same Nazi opened fire at a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin killing 6 citizens. We talk about reggae music, the power of crime-fighting leadership, his days in SWAT, having a positive mindset, and the importance of sharing intel through his connection with "S.I.N.: Skinhead Intelligence Network," a collective of law enforcement representatives formed by Mat Browning (Episode #29 guest) with the function to share regional information on violent white supremacist.

After serving over a decade in prison, Eric is a free man living a life of positivity and working to educate the public on gangs and white supremacist organizations. But he and BC go back to his childhood when he served time in a juvenile facility and as a teenager joined Satan Disciples, one of Chicago's most violent gangs. Satan Disciple Nation has spread from Chicago across the Midwest and Southern states with multiple chapters extending to many cities and suburbs. With their origin being pre-Chicago sweater war days, guest Eric, and BC discuss the history and symbols of SDN. Eric talks about getting jumped in. He and BC discuss the history, symbols, as well as the culture involved in gang life. Eric, is spending his time now creating a new podcast series, CHANGE GANG, and speaks out on gangs and white supremacist organizations. Eric, will be a reoccurring guest, as he and BC will cover his life and the various criminal organizations he was involved with and his time in prison.

BC and "Level" talk about his gang life, being "brought home," "putting in work," the beefs, the backgrounds, the motives for joining, and the reality of living with your head on a swivel. Blood sets are operating openly in many cities across the U.S. and in the current climate many departments have disbanded their gang units. This has caused the gang violence to increase. The only way to reduce it is full disruption via proactive units, intelligence sharing, and rapport building. Help those who want out. Focus on those who want violence. Educate yourself on the entire Blood culture from West Coast blocks to East Coast nations, sets, bloodlines, hand signs, rank structure, symbols, lingo, etc. Communities and families are suffering. BC Sanders is a gang expert and provides training to law enforcement and citizens. Email him at thedisruptors.bc.ski@gmail.com to learn virtually or in person.

Do they still call them mercenaries? Morgan tells some tales of overseas money making in the wildest war zone of this century. His book, Guns, Girls, and Greed, is out now!

At 17, he signed the line, took the oath, replaced his skateboard with an M4, and he was off to war. After two tours in Iraq with the 1st Infantry Division, Hector Bravo returned to California and again raised his hand. After more than a decade in the California Department of Corrections, disgusted by the corruption he saw by some of the higher level leaders, he resigned at the rank of lieutenant. BC and Hector talk about the corrosion of some in law enforcement, the corruption of leadership, his years of sobriety and alcoholism, his knowledge of "the yard," gangs behind the wall, and how pop punk music has helped him enjoy his days. Check out his Youtube channel, "That Prison Guard."

Mat realized what hate really was when he found himself staring at a pistol pointing dead at his chest by a Nazi skinhead... For more than a decade, Matson Browning worked undercover infiltrating the world of white supremacist groups. His wife, Tawni, often working beside him chatting with women involved in those organizations, gathering intel on the members, and sending it over to Mat. BC Sanders and the Brownings also discuss the symbols, phrases, and terminology utilized within these organizations. The couple also discusses their book, THE HATE NEXT DOOR, published in 2023 documenting these investigations.

MURPHYS LAW!!! We talk with Ben and Amy about playing in a band together, being in a relationship that began at a Ramones show, growing up in the punk rock scene, and more.