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Oddly Incorrect


    • Mar 19, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    • 189 EPISODES


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    186: JFK Files Drop: Chris and Dutch Unpack 80,000 Pages of Conspiracy Madness

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 61:21


    Episode 186 of Oddly Incorrect brings hosts Chris and Dutch back together for a rowdy dive into the newly released 80,000-page JFK assassination trove. With their classic unfiltered banter, they're sifting through faded ‘60s scans to uncover what really happened in Dallas—and they don't care who's eavesdropping. Chris is pumped to download the audio and revive their old podcast vibes, while Dutch marvels at the sheer document dump: scribbled notes, secret orders, and all. They're tapping X for the latest scoops, where sleuths hint at no “I shot JFK” bombshell—just a mountain of circumstantial evidence so tight it'll demand answers.The duo hashes out wild threads: a CIA vet screaming “assassination” post-JFK, only to “suicide” with a bullet behind his ear. The Secret Service not running beside JFK's car—stand-down or screw-up? Then there's the Warren Commission's “magic bullet”—a physics-defying zigzag through JFK and Connally that Dutch calls “obvious BS.” Chris pitches a social network analysis to map the players: CIA's John McCone, Hoover's FBI, maybe Bush in the shadows. They even stumble on JFK Jr. dubbing Biden a “traitor” in a heated call—date TBD, but juicy nonetheless. Theories fly—CIA plots, FBI incompetence, Soviet-Cuba ties, or mob hits—each crazier than the last.It's not just facts; it's Chris and Dutch being Chris and Dutch. Tangents hit the King James Bible's Crown copyright and Dorothy Kilgallen's odd death after probing Jack Ruby. They prep with Conspiracy Theory and The Good Shepherd vibes, laughing through the paranoia. Will they solve it? Nah—but they'll make you rethink everything. Tune in for a conspiracy-fueled reunion that's equal parts hilarious and head-scratching!

    187: Tech Progress, Internet Innovations, and Collaborative Visions: A Reunion Discussion

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2024 60:17


    Dutch and Chris reconnect in this episode, engaging in light-hearted banter about Dutch's gaming progress and frustrations. They segue into discussing the potential of Calix internet membership, exploring its advantages over traditional providers and the possibility of cost savings. The conversation shifts gears as Chris introduces his ambitious project, 10xU, aimed at leveraging technology to enhance human life. He envisions compiling insights into a guide accessible to all, fostering personal growth through AI-driven tools. Dutch finds resonance in Chris's purpose-driven initiative and expresses interest in collaborating to bring the vision to fruition. As the episode progresses, they brainstorm potential avenues for collaboration, exploring how their combined expertise could propel 10xU forward and create meaningful impact. Their enthusiasm for future partnership opportunities shines through, setting the stage for exciting endeavors ahead.

    186: Navigating Tech Surprises and Cultural Shifts: Insights from Online Interaction

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2024 60:20


    In this episode, Dutch and Chris embark on a dynamic conversation, initially expressing pleasant surprise at the reliability of their online meeting technology. They delve into the changing landscape of April Fool's jokes, noting their diminished impact in an era saturated with fake news and skepticism. Chris explains the workings of DealDash auctions, shedding light on the intricate bidding system and its incentivized structure. The discussion then shifts to prediction markets like Manifold, where political outcomes are forecasted through crowdsourced predictions. Exploring the challenges of replacing aging cultural icons, they contemplate who might emerge as new figures to capture the public's imagination. Additionally, they delve into the concept of co-opetition in business, highlighting how competitors can collaborate for mutual benefit before vying for market share locally. The episode concludes with an analysis of the strategic location choices of fast food restaurants, attributing their proximity to the accommodation of diverse family preferences rather than predatory competition.

    185: Unveiling Enigmatic Agendas: Decoding Recent Events and Global Strategies

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2024 52:27


    In this episode, the speakers engage in a riveting discussion filled with intrigue and speculation, beginning with casual banter about upcoming travel plans before delving into the analysis of recent mysterious events, such as bridge collapses and wildfires. They contemplate the possibility of directed energy weapons being used in these incidents, pondering geopolitical motives and potential agendas for depopulation and global control. Exploring the concept of a depopulation agenda, they delve into the perceived threats posed by populous nations and the complex dynamics of global power struggles. They discuss scenarios where America's dominance is challenged, recognizing the delicate balance between maintaining control and sustaining global wealth extraction. The conversation extends to the implications of recent political developments, including shifts in social media ownership and the rise of alternative viewpoints challenging censorship. They contemplate potential realignments in geopolitics and the underlying forces driving covert agendas, while also expressing hope in the awakening of citizens to resist centralized control.

    184: Exploring Enigmas: From Conspiracy Theories to Planetary Frontiers

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2024 60:32


    In this episode, the speakers dive into a labyrinth of conspiracy theories and alternative histories, probing the mysteries of secret societies, hidden technologies, and disputed historical narratives. They engage in a thought-provoking debate on the plausibility of these theories, grappling with the challenges of finding conclusive evidence and the potential ramifications if these enigmas were to be unraveled. Transitioning to financial systems, they explore conspiracies surrounding global debts and financial resets, speculating on Trump's role in potential debt forgiveness while acknowledging the lack of substantiated evidence. The conversation then shifts to concerns about government overreach and civil unrest, particularly focusing on the deterioration of law and order in cities like San Francisco. Delving into technological limitations, they contemplate theories questioning the feasibility of space exploration due to radiation belts and alleged moon landing hoaxes. They ponder the implications of humanity's confinement to Earth, pondering how this limitation could reshape societal perspectives. Finally, they discuss the fragility of food supply chains and the importance of preparedness in the face of potential disruptions, debating strategies ranging from stockpiling non-perishable food to self-sufficiency through gardening.

    183: From Crowd Control to Conceptual Radio: Exploring Diverse Discourses

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2024 59:49


    In this episode, Dutch Driver and Chris delve into a range of topics, starting with Dutch's DJing techniques for crowd control and his experiences addressing issues with a hospital's bed cleaning system. Their conversation shifts to philosophical science fiction genres, exploring works like Foundation, Dune, and libertarian-themed novels. They debate the ethical implications of preemptively stopping criminals in fiction and how these themes intersect with real-world ideologies. The discussion then turns to the "tradwife" movement on Instagram, critiquing its portrayal of traditional roles and discussing its challenges in fostering an authentic community. Chris proposes the concept of a time and place radio, allowing listeners to experience past eras through period-accurate music and DJs. They explore the idea of creating DJ mixes for streaming platforms, considering the challenges of monetization and the potential for certified DJ-curated streaming to capture the live feel of a DJ set. Finally, they discuss networking strategies, including the concept of curated introductions through an app to connect valuable contacts.

    182: From Fasting Progress to Business Brainstorms: Diverse Dialogues

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2024 60:18


    In this episode, Dutch Driver and Chris engage in a wide-ranging conversation covering personal updates, entrepreneurial brainstorming, investment insights, and nostalgic reflections. The discussion begins with casual catch-ups, including Chris' intermittent fasting progress and the upcoming Super Tuesday primaries. They delve into random topics like sugar sandwiches from Costa Rica, adding a touch of lightheartedness to the conversation. Dutch shares his intermittent fasting journey, detailing his weight loss progress and the challenge of breaking through plateaus. They segue into brainstorming business ideas, proposing a pop-up shop concept selling bread, butter, and sugar sandwiches to cater to Silicon Valley's penchant for novelty. The conversation shifts to investment discussions, with Chris expressing regret for not investing more in Bitcoin earlier. They reminisce about early eBay experiences, recalling the thrill of sniping auctions and tracking item prices to find bargains. Reflecting on entrepreneurial endeavors, Chris introduces the "health, wealth, relationships" framework for generating ideas, highlighting the importance of proposals in these areas. They conclude with a novel idea to monetize online dating by auctioning user profiles, sparking brief discussions on legal and ethical considerations.

    181: Connections and Contemplations: From Personality Types to Political Landscapes

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2024 57:02


    In this episode, Dutch Driver and Chris Kalaboukis engage in a multifaceted conversation spanning personal updates, travel plans, personality types, political analysis, and media scrutiny. The discussion begins with Dutch sharing his upcoming trip to Costa Rica and his plans to immerse himself in the local culture while learning to drive internationally. They segue into a conversation about Myers-Briggs personality types, exploring how different cognitive preferences impact creativity, problem-solving, and communication. As they delve deeper into the intricacies of personality types, they reflect on the challenges and dynamics of relationships between different types, emphasizing the importance of balance and understanding in interpersonal connections. Shifting gears, they analyze the political landscape, speculating on the future of Trump's political career and the implications of potential Supreme Court rulings. They also touch upon corruption in peer review processes and the evolving nature of media, highlighting the need for unbiased reporting and open-mindedness in innovation.

    180 Weekend Endeavors, Social Dynamics, and Philosophical Musings

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2024 62:05


    In this episode, the speakers embark on a journey covering diverse topics ranging from weekend plans to philosophical discussions on free will and manipulation. The conversation begins with Dutch recounting his ambitious project of digging a hole for a lemon tree, showcasing his dedication and perseverance in tackling challenging tasks. They reflect on the importance of taking time off from work and chores, highlighting the value of relaxation and leisure in maintaining a balanced lifestyle. Transitioning to social dynamics, they discuss the challenges introverts face in networking events, acknowledging the importance of stepping out of one's comfort zone while recognizing the need for tangible results to justify discomfort. Delving deeper, they explore the concept of free will illusions and pervasive manipulation in society. They emphasize the significance of understanding one's manipulated mind to regain control by identifying unconscious biases and disruptive patterns. The conversation takes an intriguing turn as Dutch recalls the influence of medical school curricula on medication prioritization, questioning the deviation from natural cures due to patentability and the influence of targeted academic funding. Gender differences and complementarity are also discussed, with both speakers agreeing on the innate differences between men and women and the importance of community over individualism. They reflect on the reluctance to "suck up" for advancement, emphasizing the value of maintaining integrity and independence.

    179 Reflecting on Change, Online Deception, and Political Speculations

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2024 61:15


    In this engaging episode, the speakers delve into a wide array of topics, from personal introspection to online deception and political predictions. The conversation kicks off with reflections on personal growth and changing personalities over the decades. They reminisce about their teenage years spent playing early computer games on machines like the Apple II, highlighting the evolution of technology and its impact on their lives. Exploring the nature of introversion and extroversion, they debate whether these traits can truly change or if individuals merely adapt their behaviors. One speaker shares how performing as a DJ provided brief bursts of energized extroversion despite his inherent introverted nature. Concerns are raised about deceptive profiles on international dating sites, where AI may be generating fake attractive profiles to scam users. They discuss the potential involvement of organized crime in these schemes and the prevalence of fake reviews, urging caution when navigating online platforms. The conversation shifts to streaming recommendations, with one speaker suggesting TV shows like "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" for its absurd humor and "Jack Reacher" for its compelling acting and suspense. They emphasize the importance of reading reviews critically to avoid biased ratings. Finally, the discussion turns to presidential primaries and predictions for the upcoming elections. Speculations abound regarding Biden's potential replacement before 2024, citing coordinated dropouts of competing 2020 candidates to boost Biden's candidacy. They ponder potential new nominees like Newsome, Tucker, or Kristi Noem, depending on credibility and popularity.

    178 Navigating Outages, Musical Scales, and Digital Visibility

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2024 62:56


    In this thought-provoking episode, Dutch Driver and Chris delve into diverse topics ranging from power outages and musical scales to digital visibility in an overcrowded online landscape. The conversation begins with a discussion of recent power and internet outages in their communities, caused by fallen trees. Dutch Driver shares his firsthand experience of witnessing the downed cables that led to the disruptions, highlighting the challenges faced during such events. A fascinating exploration ensues as Dutch Driver introduces the Rockefeller standardization of musical scales, revealing how it was orchestrated for financial gain. They delve into the repercussions of standardized scales on the music industry and the health effects of disregarding natural frequencies. The dialogue expands to compare natural frequencies with standardized musical scales, citing research that suggests constant exposure to unnatural frequencies through music may have adverse health effects. Chris notes the prevalence of technologies like TVs exposing individuals to standardized frequencies, potentially leading to health issues similar to those experienced by Dutch from old cathode ray tube monitors. Shifting gears, they discuss the daunting task of getting noticed in a crowded digital space. Chris argues that organic growth is nearly impossible in today's information overload era, emphasizing the necessity of paid advertising for visibility. They explore the challenges of standing out amidst constant new content. Dutch counters with the notion that quick, viral growth is achievable by joining new platforms before they mature. He suggests that pioneers have a better chance of standing out on emerging platforms compared to established ones like YouTube, which struggle to highlight new voices amidst saturation. In essence, "Navigating Outages, Musical Scales, and Digital Visibility" is a captivating exploration of diverse topics, from the impact of power outages and musical scale standardization to the challenges of gaining visibility in the digital age. It's a thought-provoking conversation that sheds light on the complexities of modern life and digital navigation.

    177: Technology Gripes, Music Nostalgia, and Aging Worries

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2024 60:32


    In this engaging episode, Dutch Driver and Chris Kalaboukis embark on a journey through various intriguing topics, from technology frustrations and music nostalgia to concerns about government overreach and the challenges of aging. The episode kicks off with a lively discussion about the frustrations of dealing with frequent legal disclaimers when using technology. Dutch Driver expresses his annoyance at how lawyers seem to impede progress with excessive warnings and terms of service. Both hosts share the sentiment that governments often overreach by focusing on petty technicalities rather than addressing significant issues. Nostalgia takes center stage as Dutch Driver fondly recalls his experiences discovering new music on Napster in the 80s, including the enchanting sounds of George Winston's "Autumn." They delve into the history of music sampling and pioneers who experimented with it before it became a widespread practice. The role of sampling in resurrecting classic artists and creating innovative compositions is explored. The hosts also reflect on the power of music to evoke memories and transport listeners back in time. Chris Kalaboukis shares his method of cataloging music yearly on Spotify, allowing him to revisit playlists and relive cherished memories. Dutch Driver reminisces about discovering artists on Windham Hill Records who have since transitioned into scoring films, highlighting the evolution of music over the years. Government overreach and privacy concerns emerge as another significant topic. Dutch Driver recounts his experience with strict Alabama license requirements due to a history of depression, including the need for constant doctor notes. Both hosts concur that governments often exploit individuals' past details as excuses to deny services, subjecting them to a "death by a thousand cuts." The conversation takes a nostalgic turn as they lament the decline of the golden age of online chat and spontaneous conversations in IRC and chatrooms. While some modern platforms attempt to recreate the magic of chance encounters, regimentation and guidelines hinder the serendipitous connections of the past. As the hosts contemplate the challenges of aging, they express concerns about neurological decline. Dutch Driver shares his recent health scares and medical tests, highlighting the uncertainties of growing older. However, they also express hopes for future therapies that may extend life and allow them to witness the promises of advancing technology while maintaining autonomy.

    176: 2024 Election Projections, Civic Trust, and Planned Obsolescence

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2024 60:28


    In this intellectually stimulating episode, Dutch Driver and Chris engage in a thought-provoking conversation covering a wide array of topics, from political predictions for the 2024 election to societal shifts in trust and even the intriguing history of planned obsolescence. The episode opens with a discussion about the 2024 election, with a prevailing prediction that former President Donald Trump will secure re-election. The hosts delve into the Democratic party's alleged attempts to undermine the election through accusations of fraud and manipulated results. An interesting twist is introduced when Vivek is suggested as a potential running mate for Trump, aiming to appeal to Indian-American voters while continuing Trump's political vision and policies. VP selection and the landscape of 2024 candidates take center stage next. DeSantis emerges as a prominent contender, but his support primarily comes from Never Trump Republicans. Speculations about the possible replacement of Mike Pence arise, fueled by undisclosed concerns about his loyalty. The hosts anticipate Trump's preference for selecting his running mate rather than succumbing to establishment pressures. The episode also touches on the concerning topic of emergency powers and their potential for misuse in addressing manufactured crises, potentially leading to authoritarian control and the suspension of civil liberties. Drawing parallels with the Covid-19 pandemic, they discuss how the pandemic set a precedent for such tactics, causing distrust and concerns about overreach in the Biden administration's response. The conversation then takes a deeper dive into societal trends, particularly the decline in trust. They explore the increase in minor legal and ethical infractions, signaling a shift towards a more self-interested and less cooperative culture. This shift is linked to the growing challenges individuals face, echoing trends observed in declining nations. A fascinating discussion on breaking minor laws and traffic laws follows. People tend to selectively disregard laws they perceive as trivial or unjust, such as minor traffic violations, while maintaining ethical codes that prevent harm to others. This selective compliance erodes respect and trust in legal institutions originally designed to prevent harm. Lastly, the hosts explore the historical phenomenon of planned obsolescence and cartels. They delve into early 20th-century cartels like the Phoebus Cartel, which colluded to artificially limit product lifespans, leading to resource wastage and consumer exploitation for increased profits. Such anti-competitive behavior contributes to growing distrust in industries and fuels calls for regulatory reform. In sum, "2024 Election Projections, Civic Trust, and Planned Obsolescence" is a rich and multifaceted discussion that touches on politics, societal shifts, and historical precedents. It invites listeners to ponder the complexities of trust, governance, and industry practices in today's rapidly changing world.

    175: Fasting, Weight Loss Strategies, and DJ Nostalgia

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2024 61:03


    In this engaging episode, Dutch Driver and Chris embark on a multifaceted discussion that touches on personal wellness, career nostalgia, and the ever-evolving world of self-improvement. The conversation kicks off with Dutch Driver sharing his intriguing experience of fasting for five days, shedding light on the weight loss and surprising absence of hunger during this process. The hosts delve into intermittent fasting, exploring its potential benefits and the challenges individuals might face. Chris emphasizes that the effectiveness of fasting can vary due to differences in individual metabolism, highlighting the importance of a personalized approach to wellness. Shifting gears, the hosts tackle the perennial issue of weight loss and self-improvement strategies. Chris offers insight into the allure of self-help books and why they often fail to yield substantial change. He attributes this to the inherent difficulty of altering ingrained habits and thought patterns. Dutch counters with the idea that true transformation requires a profound shift in the subconscious mind, acknowledging that such changes are arduous but necessary. They engage in a thoughtful debate about passive versus active income approaches and express mutual disdain for overly aggressive sales tactics. The episode takes a fascinating turn as Dutch Driver shares his experiences from his DJ career zenith in the early 1990s. He regales the audience with stories of manipulating crowds through expert music selection, seamlessly blending songs, and skillfully adjusting tempo to optimize the party atmosphere. Dutch's deep catalog knowledge and intimate understanding of the industry could potentially find a new application in nostalgia cruises, a concept that piques both hosts' interest. Chris encourages Dutch to explore the possibility of a DJ career comeback in the context of nostalgia music, leveraging his unique experiences and fan engagement from past eras. They discuss the potential for memorable branding and the demand for DJs with an intimate connection to specific musical periods. They even brainstorm methods to monetize this specialized skill set, including pre-programmed devices or live performances tailored to nostalgia enthusiasts.

    174 Cult Films and Changing Perspectives

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2024 62:55


    In this thought-provoking episode, the hosts embark on a cinematic journey through the realm of cult films. They explore the intriguing notion of what defines a cult film and how these often eccentric, unconventional movies hold a special place in the hearts of devoted fans. Their conversation leads them down various paths, touching on not only the peculiar allure of cult classics but also the broader theme of embracing change in one's life. As they dissect the characteristics of cult films, they find that these movies are typically defined by their niche appeal and ability to resonate deeply with certain audiences, often transcending their initial box office performance. Titles like "They Live" and "A Clockwork Orange" serve as prime examples, with their unconventional narratives and thought-provoking themes. The hosts also explore the evolving landscape of media consumption. They discuss the modern era of streaming platforms and how easy access to content has led to the resurgence of cult classics. While some of these films may have been challenging to find in the past, they now enjoy a revival, reaching new generations of viewers. However, the conversation takes an intriguing twist as they contemplate the idea of change and reprogramming oneself. They delve into the difficulty of embracing change, especially when it involves shifting one's perspectives or preferences. The hosts reflect on their own experiences of adapting to new ideas and how challenging it can be to break free from established norms. This leads to a broader discussion about the ethics of enjoying cult classics that may contain elements now viewed as problematic. They grapple with the idea that society evolves, and what was once acceptable may no longer align with current values. This introspective conversation highlights the importance of critical thinking and ethical considerations in our media choices. The episode ends on a poignant note, where the hosts ponder the significance of choosing what music to listen to, mirroring the complexity of selecting cult films. They emphasize the beauty of diverse tastes and how individuals can curate their own unique experiences. In essence, "Cult Films and Changing Perspectives" offers not only a captivating exploration of cult classics but also a compelling journey into the dynamics of embracing change, ethical choices, and the evolving world of media consumption.

    173: Boxing Day Reflections and Nostalgic Movie Musings

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 26, 2023 58:26


    In this delightful episode of "Oddly Incorrect," the hosts engage in a thought-provoking and nostalgic conversation, exploring the origins of Boxing Day, the joy of recognizing references in films, project management skills, and the evolution of media. The episode kicks off with an insightful discussion about the origins and traditions of Boxing Day. The hosts contemplate whether it relates to buying gifts for servants or the exchange of goodwill between different social classes. This historical exploration sets the stage for a fascinating exchange of ideas. Moving on, they delve into the world of Hallmark movies and their sources of inspiration. Dutch Driver astutely identifies plot structures and scenes borrowed from older films in Hallmark productions. This sparks a captivating debate about the art of referencing source material, the pleasure of recognition for viewers, and even the intriguing possibility of AI generating entirely new Hallmark films. The conversation shifts gears as they delve into the realm of project management. Chris shares how his project management skills played a pivotal role in planning a leisurely Christmas schedule, ensuring a smooth and enjoyable holiday experience. However, Dutch Driver expresses his frustrations with flexible family timelines lacking contingencies and task dependencies, revealing the challenges of coordinating during the festive season. The hosts then transition to heartfelt reminiscences of family members and the inexorable passage of time. Dutch Driver fondly recalls his mother as a confidant and shares poignant discussions on aging and autonomy. Chris adds a touch of humor by recounting his mother's memorable reaction to a James Bond film, highlighting the enduring bonds created through shared cinematic experiences. Exploring the psychology of film references, they ponder why recognizing references in movies brings such pleasure. They posit that it confirms memory and knowledge, with Dutch Driver suggesting that cult classics often emerge from scarce availability, satisfying curiosity and sparking a sense of cultural connection. The state of modern media takes center stage as they lament the perceived decline in the quality of post-2018 television and movies. Both hosts express a shared nostalgia for the mid-2000s, which they deem a high point in the entertainment industry. They advocate for a return to classics from the 1930s to the 1960s, championing these timeless films as a way to rediscover forgotten cinematic treasures. Lastly, the hosts delve into discussions surrounding masculinity in media and the potential for change. Chris calls for a resurgence of "manly male" films, expressing his criticism of depictions where women overpower men. Dutch Driver sees potential for a movement that restores self-sacrifice and agency in narratives if audiences tire of what they perceive as propagandistic content.

    172: Conspiracies, Ancient Mysteries, and Gaming Trials: A Candid Conversation

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2023 57:52


    In this captivating episode of "Oddly Incorrect," the hosts, Chris and Dutch, embark on a dynamic journey through a range of topics, from personal health scares to mind-bending conspiracy theories, ancient mysteries, and even the trials of video game stealth missions. As the dialogue unfolds, the hosts delve into the intriguing world of conspiracy theories and alternative histories. They explore various mind-bending notions, from the idea that ancient civilizations were buried in mud to the moon landing being faked, and even the notion that history itself is manipulated by secret societies or extraterrestrial entities running simulations. These lively discussions spark contemplation and intrigue. Shifting gears, the conversation pivots to the mysteries surrounding ancient mega-structures, such as pyramids, and their origins. Dutch introduces recent shows that question how these colossal wonders could have been constructed using the technology available at the time. The hosts ponder whether advanced predecessors or even extraterrestrial assistance played a role in shaping history, adding depth to their exploration of ancient civilizations. The episode continues with an examination of the ever-evolving landscape of social media platforms. Chris expresses his hopes of reviving banned Twitter accounts and continuing their thought-provoking discussions on platforms like Twitter Spaces, promoting more open and inclusive discourse. Dutch shares his commitment to rejoining social media platforms to facilitate these conversations, despite potential registration hurdles. Wrapping up the episode on a lighter note, the hosts venture into the world of video games. Dutch recounts his frustrating experience with an arduous stealth mission in Assassin's Creed, a game that forced him to repeatedly die to grasp its intricate mechanics. They collectively agree that "learn by dying" mechanics can be unfair and discuss the importance of games avoiding the need for players to fail repeatedly to understand objectives.

    171: Navigating Health, Tech, and Truth

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2023 59:41


    In this engaging episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Dutch and Chris embark on a diverse journey through topics encompassing health, technology, politics, and the ever-evolving digital landscape. The episode kicks off with a candid conversation about personal health, touching on smoking, weight loss, vaping, and the use of continuous glucose monitors. Dutch and Chris openly share their experiences and perspectives, offering valuable insights into these subjects. Diving deeper into the realm of health, the hosts emphasize the significance of identifying foods that cause spikes in blood sugar levels and the necessity of balancing them with protein-rich alternatives. They also explore the potential of employing various monitoring devices to make informed dietary choices, promoting healthier lifestyles. Shifting gears, Dutch and Chris delve into the changing landscape of LinkedIn, discussing how the platform has evolved into a hub primarily for job postings, diverting from its original purpose as a space for meaningful connections and business opportunities. They introduce the concept of effective accelerationism, a community advocating technological progress and AI advancements for societal betterment. A highlight of the episode revolves around the 'commandments' for maintaining a healthy diet. These include eating smaller portions, eliminating sugars and sweeteners, thorough food chewing, avoiding cheat days, incorporating low-calorie snacks, prioritizing hydration, daily exercise, and meticulous food intake tracking. Fitness enthusiasts will find the hosts' discussion on gym experiences and workout preferences intriguing. They also offer their thoughts on the movie "A Face in the Crowd," speculating about the complexities of the main character's true personality. Cinephiles are in for a treat as Chris and Dutch explore various films, including "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," "No Time for Sergeants," and the political drama "All the King's Men." They touch upon grassroots politics, adding depth to their cinematic insights. The conversation takes a political turn, addressing the perceived corruption within politics, including allegations of blackmail and money funneling. Dutch and Chris candidly share their voting decisions and reflect on the evolution of conservative ideology. In a digital age rife with misinformation, the hosts stress the importance of promptly debunking false information. They introduce the intriguing concept of "A Thousand Truths," a hypothetical website where users can post-truths and receive 'truth scores' based on community feedback. Twitter aficionados will appreciate Dutch and Chris' analysis of the platform's character limit changes and the impact on its essence. They ponder the potential challenges of transitioning to video content creation in this dynamic digital landscape. The episode concludes with a thought-provoking discussion on the potential of artificial intelligence (AI). The hosts express concern about the limitations imposed on AI through boundaries and guardrails, suggesting that liberating AI from constraints could yield unexpected and invaluable insights.

    170: Unraveling Global Intrigue: Power, Politics, and Populism

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2023 62:58


    In this riveting episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Dutch and Chris embark on a captivating exploration of an intricate web of topics spanning politics, conspiracy theories, nostalgia, and the enigmatic forces shaping our world. The episode commences with an incisive discussion about the emergence of a new political figure in Argentina, leading to reflections on the disdain for populist presidents and the omnipotent grip of the elite. Dutch and Chris scrutinize the erosion of parenting and the troubling absence of vital educational resources in today's society. The hosts take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, reminiscing about their formative years filled with electronics kits and radios. They recount the availability and cost of these kits, fondly recalling their cherished memories of experimentation. Conspiracy theories take center stage as Dutch and Chris delve into the notion that COVID-19 was intentionally created to obscure a financial meltdown in 2019. The conversation expands to encompass the insatiable desire of elites to safeguard their interests through perpetual conflict, control, and financial gain. The hosts pivot to contemporary political events, dissecting Trump's media presence, the drama surrounding OpenAI, and the intriguing possibility of Trump's victory in the next election. They engage in spirited speculation about the motivations behind these developments and the potential shifts in candidates. The discourse takes a deeper dive into personal politics as Chris and Dutch reflect on their historical voting patterns and their deep-seated distrust of Democrats. They contemplate the notion of a deliberate plot to destabilize the economy around Trump, aiming to halt the momentum of "Make America Great Again." Dutch and Chris engage in a thought-provoking analysis of the strategy of elevating personalities like Trump, only to later undermine and discredit them, thereby weakening the populist movement. They explore the concerted efforts to label Trump supporters as insurrectionists and the subtle manipulation of media and brands to sway public perception. The hosts unravel the intriguing potential for entertainment platforms to be disrupted by covert agendas, particularly in the realm of sports events. They ponder the surprising ascendance of certain political figures and the global shift toward populism, hinting at hidden forces at play. The episode concludes with a tantalizing conversation about money laundering, the United States' role as a financial powerhouse, suspicions of corruption within the Republican party, and the intriguing involvement of insurance companies like Lloyd's of London in a shadowy cabal.

    169: Unraveling Patterns: Time, AI Gatekeepers, and Individuality

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2023 58:26


    In this intriguing episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Chris and Dutch embark on a journey through the labyrinthine landscape of human cognition, discussing patterns, time, AI gatekeepers, and the intricacies of individuality. The episode commences with a deep dive into the human penchant for perceiving patterns in disparate events, driven by the formidable force of memory. Chris and Dutch delve into the subtle distinction between Dutch and Deutsch, unraveling how this divergence shapes their respective nicknames. The conversation evolves into a profound exploration of time as a construct. The hosts examine the creation of frameworks like time zones and standard time, elucidating how they were designed to streamline coordination and communication. They ponder the concept of causation and the enigmatic nature of events, emphasizing how constructs sculpt our comprehension of reality. Dutch and Chris then turn their attention to the scientific realm, discussing relativity and the pivotal role of constants in theories. Their excitement peaks as they discuss Chris's creation of a podcast and YouTube version of the podcast, paving the way for wider accessibility. The hosts delve into the complex realm of content creation, recognizing the challenge of appeasing AI gatekeepers to gain visibility. They acknowledge the ever-changing criteria set by machines for relevance, underscoring the necessity of staying current with trends and adapting content accordingly. Elon Musk's AI creation, Grock, takes center stage in the discussion, capturing the attention of news outlets. Dutch and Chris share insights on strategies for augmenting social media followership and the importance of following influential figures like the Christ and Steamed brothers. The conversation meanders through various intriguing themes, from patterns in human behavior to memory and language. The looming specter of a total computer data meltdown sparks contemplation about its potential consequences and the limitations of AI language models. The hosts delve into the distinction between patterns in human behavior and those in physics, highlighting the unique tapestry of individual personalities. They explore how these distinct patterns manifest, particularly in terms of humor and wordplay. The episode concludes with a fascinating exploration of the significance of crowd reactions and laughter in movies, enhancing the cinematic experience. Dutch and Chris touch upon the challenges of maintaining individuality in a society that often prioritizes conformity.

    168 Snowy Beginnings, Sales Adventures, and Networking Wisdom

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2023 50:10


    In this engaging episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Chris and Dutch embark on a reflective journey, sharing their personal experiences, from battling snowstorms to navigating the intricate world of sales and networking. The episode commences with a discussion of their encounters with snow and the rigors of shoveling. Chris recounts a memorable tale of being snowed in and subsequently deciding to relocate to a snow-free haven, while Dutch shares his occasional need for shoveling and the kindness of neighbors in clearing driveways. Transitioning to their professional endeavors, Chris and Dutch delve into the fascinating realm of sales and networking. They trace the serendipitous path that led them to meet and eventually venture into business together. While acknowledging the unpredictable nature of sales, they underscore its pivotal role in forging relationships and securing valuable business opportunities. The hosts delve into their past experiences selling vacuum cleaners for different companies, shedding light on intriguing techniques like theatrically throwing dirt on floors to demonstrate vacuum cleaner effectiveness. Dutch reflects on his enjoyment of sales, emphasizing its personal growth benefits and the invaluable sales wisdom he gleaned from luminaries like Zig Ziglar. The episode explores their journey through networking events, where initially, anxiety and uncertainty prevailed. However, both Chris and Dutch discovered that being in control of the situation and fostering the right environment eased their networking endeavors. In a spirited exchange, the hosts underline the importance of making connections in networking events. Dutch, in particular, emphasizes the value of introducing people to one another, effectively building social capital. The conversation takes an intriguing turn as Chris and Dutch delve into subjects like climate change, the selling of waterfront property, and the potential manipulation of weather patterns. They navigate skepticism surrounding certain claims and venture into speculative terrain, probing potential motives behind these phenomena. Conspiracy theories become a focal point as Chris and Dutch explore notions like planned droughts in California and the belief in individuals possessing the power to control natural phenomena. They also touch upon thought-provoking topics, including media manipulation, CEO resignations, and perceptions of discrimination in job opportunities. As the episode draws to a close, the hosts traverse a diverse landscape of ideas, including the success of a 54-year-old woman on OnlyFans, the prevalence of deception on the internet, and the art of manipulating social proof to attract followers and customers. Finally, Chris expresses interest in a link mentioned by Dutch, prompting a discussion on problem-solving and the relatability of life's challenges.

    167: Chaos, History, and Influence: A Spirited Dialogue

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2023 62:40


    In this intellectually stimulating episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Chris and Dutch embark on a captivating conversational journey encompassing a diverse array of topics, from the frustrations of daylight saving time to the intricate evolution of history, the dynamics of influencers, and the complexity of cultural narratives. The episode commences with a lively exchange as Chris and Dutch candidly vent their exasperation with daylight saving time. Their musings take an intriguing turn as they express a shared desire for chaos and disruption in politics, challenging conventional notions and advocating for a reexamination of historical myths like Robin Hood and the Alamo. Delving deeper into the fluid nature of history and knowledge, the hosts delve into the dynamic process of revising long-established facts and challenging historical narratives. They explore how influencers and the power of social proof play pivotal roles in shaping public perceptions, reflecting on the evolving landscape of information dissemination. As the episode unfolds, Dutch and Chris embark on an exploration of the evolution of media platforms, pondering how these platforms, initially open to all, gradually become controlled by a select few who dictate the narrative. They dissect the concept of influencers, highlighting the need for continuous content production that aligns with their personal brand to retain and expand their follower base. The hosts pivot to a discussion of the challenges faced by creators, whether they be writers or musicians, in navigating the delicate balance between staying true to their artistic vision and catering to audience expectations. They draw insights from the experiences of renowned figures like Malcolm Gladwell and Elton Brown, who have revisited their previous work, illustrating the intricate journey of maintaining a consistent brand while exploring new horizons. In a thought-provoking segment, Chris and Dutch draw parallels between the political climate during Nixon's second term and contemporary times. They reflect on Nixon's strategies to combat radicalism and push for decentralization. Meanwhile, they indulge in nostalgia as they reminisce about early cable television and the joys of watching morning children's shows. The episode continues to unravel a fascinating array of topics, including the cultural divide during the Vietnam War era, the diverse spectrum of hippie subcultures, and the challenges associated with revealing shocking truths to the public. Dutch also shares his aversion to being an influencer and his distaste for grading students. In a spirited debate, Chris and Dutch weigh the idea of being influencers and grapple with the nuances of telling people what to do. Dutch expresses his reluctance to adopt an authoritarian stance, while Chris underscores the importance of effective marketing and persuasion in conveying ideas. The hosts conclude their discussion by delving into the intricate distinction between manipulation and persuasion, acknowledging the ubiquity of manipulation in human interactions. They touch on the formidable challenges of dismantling bureaucratic states and note Nixon's groundbreaking move in opening relations with China. In a final segment, Chris and Dutch embark on a whirlwind exploration of diverse topics, including the Chinese Communist Party, the underground Chinese church, the complexities of Chinese culture, corruption in both communist and capitalist regimes, the discovery of indigenous graves in Canada, and the portrayal of Native Americans in media.

    166: Bureaucratic Musings, and Pandemic Theories

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2023 61:56


    In this enlightening episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Dutch and Chris embark on a multifaceted conversation that spans the realms of travel experiences, the intricacies of bureaucracy, and their thought-provoking theories about the COVID-19 pandemic. The episode commences with Dutch and Chris sharing tales from their recent journey through the captivating landscapes of Costa Rica. As they recount their adventures, listeners are treated to vivid descriptions of their experiences, from lush rainforests to pristine beaches. Alongside these travel anecdotes, they reflect on the stark absence of nuance in modern media and its tendency to inadvertently champion a more authoritarian state. As the conversation progresses, the hosts delve into the thought-provoking themes of bureaucracy, collaboration, and compromise in the context of decision-making and governance. They dissect these concepts, exploring their nuances and debating their efficacy in achieving desired outcomes. This segment offers listeners a fascinating glimpse into the complex dynamics that underpin effective governance. The episode then takes a deeper dive into the political landscape, shedding light on the complexities that often lead to bureaucratic delays and a lack of cooperation among political parties. Dutch and Chris scrutinize how bureaucracy, while aiming to minimize risk, can inadvertently hinder the swift execution of efficient decisions. This candid discussion offers valuable insights into the inner workings of the political machinery. Turning their attention to the role of bureaucracy in government, the hosts emphasize the critical importance of managing risks, particularly in times of crisis. They raise questions about the accuracy of media reports during the COVID-19 pandemic, sparking a thoughtful exploration of information dissemination and public perception during unprecedented times. One of the episode's most compelling segments revolves around Dutch and Chris sharing their unique theories about the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on the 2020 election. They question the severity of the virus, its timeline, and the resultant measures such as mask-wearing and social distancing. These perspectives invite listeners to consider alternative viewpoints on a topic of global significance. As the episode nears its conclusion, Dutch and Chris delve into a diverse array of subjects, including the role of whistleblowers, reflections on impactful movies, and their take on the state of the nation's politics. They candidly express their opinions and concerns about past events and their lasting influence on society, highlighting the essential role of open communication and the individual's capacity to control their own messaging. In a thought-provoking finale, the hosts stress the significance of translating theories into actionable plans while considering practicality and cost-effectiveness. They underscore the value of testing ideas in real-world scenarios and the perils of overthinking, leaving listeners with valuable insights to apply to their own decision-making processes.

    165: Tech Glitches, AI Conversations, and Nostalgic Musings

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2023 60:38


    In this engaging episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Chris and Dutch embark on a conversational journey marked by an intriguing blend of modern technology, contemplation about the future, and a sprinkle of nostalgia for the past. The episode opens with the duo grappling with technical hiccups, a common frustration in today's tech-savvy world. The constant background noise in their surroundings mirrors the ever-present buzz of the digital age. One thought-provoking idea that emerges is the notion of creating AI replicas of themselves to carry on their discussions, potentially paving the way for a 24/7 channel dedicated to their unique conversations. This concept raises questions about the future of content creation and the role of AI in shaping it. Delving further into the AI realm, Chris and Dutch ponder the possibility of feeding their past discussions into a chatbot powered by GPT technology, creating a continuous live stream of AI bots engaging in conversation. They also introduce the idea of using AI-generated voices from a company called 11 Labs for their podcasts, highlighting the dynamic nature of technology-driven content creation. While technology is at the forefront of their discussions, the episode takes an enjoyable detour into the realm of cinema. The hosts share insights on movies and actors, from the legendary Peter O'Toole to the beloved Val Kilmer. The conversation even touches on the intriguing concept of cloning and the importance of preserving one's entire knowledge when participating in a show, highlighting the intersection of technology and creativity. Shifting gears to social media, the hosts express their observations about gaining popularity on platforms like Twitter, now known as X. They recognize the platform's limitations compared to global giants like WeChat and TikTok. They also candidly discuss the often-nuanced nature of success on social media, where having the endorsement of someone already established can be as influential as hard work and content quality. Reflecting on personal values, Chris and Dutch delve into the reluctance to ask for favors and the belief that true success should be earned rather than handed out. They explore the intriguing perception that desirable individuals are often seen as more attractive simply because they are already involved in romantic relationships. As the episode progresses, it covers a wide array of topics, including the intricacies of cancel culture, the mysterious algorithms governing the internet, intriguing videos by someone named Jimmy, Egyptian archaeology, and the looming possibility of a draft. They even touch on geopolitical matters like the presence of Israeli flags, raising concerns about potential conflicts and the strain on US military resources. In a more introspective segment, Chris and Dutch delve into psychological theories, including Maslow's hierarchy of needs, emphasizing the significance of self-actualization and its role in personal fulfillment. They also explore the evolving dynamics of reciprocity in modern relationships, shedding light on their own experiences and the need for open communication in resolving conflicts. Nearing the episode's end, the hosts take a delightful stroll down memory lane, reminiscing about their past involvement with music, from working in a music store to enjoying music videos. A curious reference to discovering a "mudflood" on Telegram and wondering about the whereabouts of the Tartars adds a touch of mystery and intrigue to their nostalgic musings. In sum, this episode of "Oddly Incorrect" offers listeners a captivating blend of technological contemplation, cultural insights, and a hearty dose of nostalgia, making for a thoroughly enjoyable and thought-provoking listening experience.

    164: Conversations and Controversies

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2023 58:33


    In this episode of "Oddly Incorrect," Dutch and Chris engage in a wide-ranging conversation that spans from the mundane to the controversial. Starting off, they discuss recording tools and share their recent experiences driving in Montana. As the conversation unfolds, they offer their opinions on past presidents and delve into the realm of political conspiracies. The hosts also express their dissatisfaction with the current president. Moving forward, Dutch and Chris recount their suspicions about one of Dutch's acquaintances, speculating that he might be faking a medical condition and involved in dubious activities. They express skepticism about ongoing legal proceedings, anticipating widespread discontent regardless of the outcome. The podcast takes a thought-provoking turn as Dutch and Chris explore their skepticism towards efforts to indict Trump, the possibility of pardoning January 6th event participants, and societal issues such as the decline of class and discipline. They emphasize the importance of balanced male and female influences in a child's upbringing and the need for generational corrections. The hosts continue their discussion, touching on topics like a pastor's arguments for the existence of God, the reliability of the Bible, and the impacts of the pandemic. They express skepticism about the severity of the crisis and reference the World Economic Forum. COVID-19, personal beliefs, potential food shortages, and Gavin Newsom's political future take center stage in the next segment. Dutch and Chris emphasize the importance of preparedness for potential crises and highlight the high cost of Starlink internet. The conversation shifts towards discussions about transgenderism, political power, and generational changes, with a movie recommendation, "A Man for All Seasons," thrown in for good measure. In the latter part of the episode, Chris and Dutch contemplate the need for a reset in leadership and cultural values. They lament the lack of authenticity in influencers, discuss the movie "The Lion in Winter," and reflect on the influence of Voltaire's "Candide" on various works. The episode wraps up with discussions about movies, the central message of "Candide," the fragmentation of internet audiences, and the desire for a unifying message. Chris and Dutch touch on sensitive topics like achievements being tied to race and the potential deportation of people with iPhones. Closing the episode, the hosts delve into discussions about immigration, homelessness, and city cleanliness. They even consider scheduling a meet-up in San Francisco during a conference, when the city is cleaned up for tourists. Tune in for a dynamic episode that combines everyday observations with thought-provoking conversations on societal issues and controversies.

    163: A Journey Through Conspiracies and Contemplations

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2023 60:29


    Join Chris and Dutch in this thought-provoking episode of "Oddly Incorrect" as they take you on a journey through a landscape of intriguing discussions. First, they share their recent adventures in dry and remote areas, encountering lakes, ranches, and charming towns along the way. But it's not all scenic landscapes; they also dive into the absence of MAGA hats in California and their love for capturing the essence of their travels through photography. As the conversation unfolds, conspiracy theories take center stage. Chris and Dutch explore theories about intentionally set fires, government involvement in evacuations, and the cryptic clues that seem to precede major events. They even touch on the enigmatic world of land grabs and mining activities. Their discussion is far from one-dimensional, venturing into topics like the purpose of DNA propagation in humans and the profound influence of parasites and gut bacteria on behavior. The hosts also delve into the concept of Tulpas, imaginary friends believed to be independent entities residing in one's head. Could Tulpas be the companions or inner voices we've been seeking? But the intrigue doesn't stop there. Chris and Dutch explore the notion of wearing different masks in various situations and ponder the potential manipulation of the COVID virus for ulterior motives. They even hope for justice amidst corruption scandals. As the episode unfolds, they discuss alarming events, from the presence of a German military contractor with a fleet of jets in the US to concerns about the US dollar's future. They question if these events are harbingers of the end times or if there's hope for intervention. In the final stretch, the hosts consider the possibility of Trump's reelection, the importance of free and fair elections, and the yearning for collaboration and unity in America. Get ready for an episode that takes you on a rollercoaster of contemplation, from the curious to the conspiratorial, all wrapped up in the signature "Oddly Incorrect" style.

    162: Skeptical Perspectives on Power, Control, and the Direction of Society

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2023 60:32


    Dutch and Chris are catching up after not speaking for several weeks. Dutch has been traveling and is preparing for an upcoming road trip with his sister and friend. They discuss how thinking deeply and problem-solving can be mentally and physically exhausting, like a workout for the brain. There should be metrics for measuring brain power expenditure. They talk about how leaders often start wars throughout history to distract people and keep them occupied. Otherwise, people get bored and rebel. They feel there is a lack of good stories and myths nowadays, with too much "junk." Dutch recommends the book Longitude about solving the longitude problem. Regarding Trump, they discuss his sharpness and vitality despite his age and speculate there may have been assassination attempts that weren't publicized. They discuss "Senior Executive Service," unelected bureaucrats that stay in government offices long-term and subvert the elected officials. Other topics include the hive mind collective, false missile alerts when Trump traveled, totalitarian restrictions being planned like limited flights per person, and the information control strategy of denying platforms to some voices. Two friends discuss their skeptical takes on history, current events, and speculative conspiracy theories.

    161: Unveiling Perspectives on Conspiracies and Digital Frustrations

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2023 62:37


    In this episode, hosts Chris and Dutch navigate a landscape of intriguing discussions, from questioning directed energy weapon usage to exploring conspiracy theories and digital frustrations. They share skepticism towards the motives behind incidents like fires and express doubt about human-induced climate change. Technical difficulties, news events, and the prioritization of personal gain over problem-solving are discussed as Chris and Dutch engage in conversation. Conspiracy theories take the spotlight, with talks about military tribunals, Trump's collaboration with Putin, and the Russian intelligence agency's potential leverage over the US. Putin's popularity in Russia and speculations about a soccer ball exchanged between Trump and Putin further fuel the discourse. Online interactions, social media platforms, and challenges like bans and privacy invasions come into focus. The hosts express their experiences with frustration and skepticism, shedding light on the complexities of today's digital age. Chris and Dutch delve into the influence of politics in TV shows and express their disappointment with biased portrayals and changes to beloved series. They also explore AI assistants' limitations and discuss using machine-friendly language for resume optimization.

    160: Navigating Diverse Perspectives and Digital Realities

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 8, 2023 59:30


    Join hosts Chris and Dutch as they embark on a journey through an array of intriguing topics and discussions. They share their experiences with cell phone companies, delve into movie recommendations such as "Sound of Freedom," and explore the realm of internet connectivity and router issues. The possibility of streaming the movie in the future adds an exciting layer to the conversation. The integrity of upcoming elections and the complexities of conflicting viewpoints on women's rights and the transgender movement come under scrutiny in the hosts' conversations. They express concerns about fraud and the challenge of reconciling opposing beliefs in today's society. Chris and Dutch delve into a wide spectrum of subjects, from the concept of a "pananthropist" who agrees with everyone, to the ethical implications of using AI avatars of actors without proper compensation. They explore extending rights and payment to actors for the use of their digital images in movies and touch on the nuances of copyright and ownership in photography. The potential of AI-generated characters replacing human actors in movies is considered, along with the dissatisfaction with excessive CGI in action films. The hosts also share differing perspectives on the emotional impact of old movies and discuss the manipulation of emotions through technology, all while reflecting on the state of America's political landscape. Budgetary issues at NASA and the contrast between the pace of government projects and the efficiency of private initiatives like Elon Musk's SpaceX become subjects of discussion. The myth of consistency in success literature is analyzed, revealing that unique circumstances often contribute to success rather than universally applicable strategies. The effectiveness of success literature itself is questioned, with consideration for authors' true beliefs in readers' implementation of their advice. The concept of selling courses and the potential lack of implementation of gained knowledge is explored. The hosts also delve into leveraging other experts and building profitable audiences through mastermind groups.

    159: Exploring Perspectives, AI Tools, and Thrilling Experiences

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2023 63:57


    In this episode, hosts Chris and Dutch engage in diverse and captivating discussions, touching on various intriguing topics. They discuss their interactions, being banned from Twitter, and the concept of pursuing passions with the belief that money will follow. They also explore the unreliability of success literature and the rebranding of Twitter to "X." Conspiracy theories, movies, and the nature of reality become focal points of discussion as Chris and Dutch share their thoughts and opinions, delving into different ideas and perspectives. Dutch and Chris continue their exploration, contemplating the concept of time, the quantum realm, and the possibility of existence in a regression. They also discuss opera and the idea of combining unrelated elements to create something new and unique. The use of AI in executing ideas rather than generating them takes center stage, with specific AI tools like Licky and Flicky being mentioned for creating podcasts and book outlines. The hosts reflect on their thrilling experiences with extreme activities such as bungee jumping, zip-lining, and rappelling. They share their feelings of fear, exhilaration, and moments of vulnerability, ultimately finding these adventures to be rewarding and unforgettable. The episode concludes with Chris's unexpected social media success after a casual tweet to an unknown Twitter account called FailWail, gaining over 50,000 views. He now contemplates leveraging this sudden attention and potentially becoming an influencer.

    158: Exploring Truth, Language, and Reality

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2023 60:12


    Join hosts Chris and Dutch in this thought-provoking episode as they dive into intriguing discussions. They begin by exploring the influence of names on success and the power of defaults, reminiscing about beloved movies like Star Man and Charlie Chan. The concept of truth takes center stage as Dutch and Chris delve into comedy and artificial intelligence. They ponder the potential for Elon Musk to create a truthful AI and discuss the idea of a website where people could post and rate the truthfulness of statements. However, they grapple with the challenge of subjective opinions and differing perspectives. Continuing their exploration of truth, the hosts delve into its definition, express concerns about potential biases, and acknowledge the difficulty of reaching a definitive truth. They touch on the use of deep fakes, the challenges of observing and proving scientific theories, and the intricate relationship between truth and language. Chris and Dutch contemplate the origins of language and its connection to reality, speculating on the abstraction of the first word and how communication and understanding evolved before the existence of language itself. The episode culminates in deeply exploring truth's relationship to trust, wealth, and privacy. The hosts question the accessibility and dissemination of truth in a world where information is filtered and manipulated, expressing a shared desire to return to a more truthful and natural state of existence.

    157: Climate Change, Engagement, and Exploring Beliefs

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 11, 2023 61:03


    Join hosts Chris and Dutch in this episode as they engage in thought-provoking discussions on a range of topics. They delve into climate change, politics, and draw comparisons between socialism and fascism. The mention of YouTuber Tony Heller, known for debunking climate change statistics, sparks further conversation. The hosts explore various subjects, including the high cost of living in California, their own podcast, an AI-generated website, and a movie titled "The Sound of Freedom" facing sabotage by certain theater owners. They mention a thought-provoking TikTok video featuring a doctor questioning a child about gender identity. The potential state enforcement of silencing doctors who speak against vaccines becomes a concern for Chris and Dutch. They express worry over the loss of medical licenses and the presence of undercover individuals attempting to elicit incriminating statements. The hosts briefly touch on the challenge of finding cities with conservative leanings and mention reconnecting with a friend from Alabama. Chris and Dutch share their experiences with church services, expressing a desire for more interactive and engaging formats. They discuss a fictionalized series called "The Chosen," which humanizes Jesus and his apostles, finding it intriguing and thought-provoking. The conversation shifts towards various organizations such as the Freemasons, Elks, Rotary Club, and Odd Fellows. Chris and Dutch contemplate joining these organizations but ultimately decide against it. They briefly touch on conspiracy theories involving influential figures and bloodlines. Finally, Chris and Dutch delve into profound philosophical concepts such as fate, free will, and determinism. They explore how personal experiences, events, and preferences shape their choices and beliefs, including their involvement with religion and organizations like the Masons and Scouts.

    156: Resonance, Tribes, and Building Authentic Connections

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2023 62:41


    n this episode, hosts Chris and Dutch engage in insightful discussions on various topics, including Independence Day, the absence of a societal rite of passage, the situation in France, the declining Star Wars legacy, and the portrayal of capitalism in movies. They share their opinions and observations, offering thought-provoking insights. The hosts dive into the challenges of building a tribe and standing out in a crowded online environment. They explore the concept of resonance and the significance of finding the first follower, which sparks emergent leadership and helps cultivate a loyal audience. Chris and Dutch discuss the importance of continuously producing content until finding that "click" that resonates with people. They emphasize the value of belonging to a tribe and gaining validation from others to be accepted and succeed in a particular field. Charisma and leadership within organizations become focal points of discussion as Chris and Dutch analyze social media's impact and caution against blindly trusting images and appearances. The concept of social proof takes center stage as the hosts reflect on its influence on their past behaviors. They also explore the significance of individual innovation and discuss the limitations of collaborative ideation sessions. Further into the episode, Chris and Dutch emphasize the importance of individual brainstorming as a preliminary step before engaging in group ideation sessions. They even explore the idea of setting up a consulting business to assist government employees at the SES level in achieving their promotion goals.

    155: Perception, Complexity, and Building Connections

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2023 62:25


    In this episode, hosts Dutch and Chris engage in dynamic discussions covering various topics. They explore subjects such as live streaming, air conditioning, Trump's popularity, communication theory, and more. Dutch shares his experience teaching communication and employing a persuasion model to lead his class to a false conclusion. The hosts delve into the manipulation of individuals through false choices, questioning the reliability of perception and the nature of reality. They also discuss the concept of trust, tuning one's senses to discover patterns and phenomena. The universe's complexity becomes a point of fascination as Chris and Dutch touch on topics like digitizing employee records at NASA and the significance of personal signatures. They reflect on their preferences for certain foods and how attitudes toward signing names have evolved in the digital age. Political discussions arise, including the possibility of an assassination attempt on Trump and brainstorming ideas for launching a viral podcast. The hosts mention a book on virality and emphasize the importance of associating events with specific dates. Chris and Dutch share their experiences with networking events, tackling the challenges of building connections. They provide valuable tips on approaching networking as an introvert and facilitating introductions between individuals. The hosts discuss the difficulties of building a tribe and explore strategies such as self-selecting tables and finding common interests.

    154: Exploring Audiences, Secret Societies, and Perception of Truth

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 13, 2023 59:23


    Join hosts Chris and Dutch in an intellectually stimulating episode as they dive into a diverse range of topics, challenging conventional beliefs and exploring the intricacies of our world. The episode starts with discussing the size of their podcast's audience, comparing it to other popular shows, and pondering the dynamics of podcasting. Venturing into the realm of secret societies, the hosts delve into the enigmatic Fabian Society and its strategies for shaping the world. They contemplate the influence of such organizations and question their impact on society at large. Chris and Dutch engage in captivating conversations about freedom of speech, recognizing the power of sound and the unreliability of numbers and statistics. They explore the value of unpopularity, challenging each other's perspectives and pushing the boundaries of commonly held beliefs. The hosts share personal experiences of breaking social norms and stepping out of their comfort zones, recounting instances like requesting unpopular menu items, striking up conversations with strangers, and injecting humor into long queues. They also reminisce about speech communication exercises, including techniques to elicit smiles from others. Delving into the realm of scientific inquiry, Chris and Dutch draw parallels between hypotheses and opinions, emphasizing the importance of testing and substantiating them with evidence. They reflect on the challenges of conducting empirical research in soft sciences like speech communication and sociology. The nature of science and the concept of absolute truth become focal points of discussion as the hosts contemplate the relativity of our perception of movement in relation to the speed of light. They discuss how this awareness can potentially lead to fewer arguments and ponder the curvilinear movement of space. Prepare for a mind-expanding journey as Chris and Dutch navigate through thought-provoking topics, encouraging listeners to question prevailing assumptions and explore the nuanced layers of truth and perception.

    153: Exploring Time, Immortality, and Concepts of Infinity

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2023 62:13


    In this captivating episode, hosts Chris and Dutch engage in thought-provoking conversations that delve into various topics surrounding time, longevity, and the expanses of human understanding. They embark on a fascinating exploration of the concept of life expectancy and the possibility of extending it through medical technology. Drawing from biblical figures who lived for hundreds of years, they ponder the reasons behind the shortening of human lifespan. The hosts briefly touch on intriguing concepts such as medbeds and reference the Highlander movie. The conversation takes an exhilarating turn as Chris and Dutch contemplate the possibility of time travel and immortality. They speculate whether aliens could actually be humans from the future and entertain the idea that immortals might already be among us, using humans as mere playthings. Continuing their intellectual journey, Dutch shares a captivating story about a clockmaker who challenged the beliefs of the Royal Society of Astronomy by solving the problem of longitude. The hosts discuss the significance of evidence in turning theories into probabilities. Chris and Dutch immerse themselves in the fascinating history of timekeeping, tracing its evolution from sundials and water clocks to modern timepieces. They also delve into the concept of multitasking, shedding light on common misconceptions surrounding its effectiveness. In further conversations, they explore pendulum swings, the importance of confidence, and the enigmatic nature of time itself. They even contemplate the creation of a toy that can expand the mind and open it up to different variables and frequencies. Concluding the episode, Chris and Dutch engage in an engaging discussion on time, proxemics, prime numbers, and infinities. They share their mutual fascination with these concepts and how they enhance their understanding of the world, leaving listeners with a renewed sense of curiosity and wonder.

    152: Trust, Renaissance, and Living a Middle Way Life

    Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2023 63:59


    They begin by delving into the lack of trust in election results, the challenges of controlling a spaceship remotely, and conspiracy theories surrounding Stanley Kubrick's death. The conversation then shifts to movies, video games, diversity, and corruption in human endeavors. Dutch shares his cynicism and narrates a story highlighting the unpredictability of conversion and change. Chris and Dutch explore the possibility of a renaissance and the impact of inflation on the economy. They discuss the concept of a low trust society, contrasting it with a high trust society. They point out how society seems to be moving towards a low trust state, where people are less inclined to follow rules and laws, citing examples such as individuals not stopping at stop signs. They examine potential reasons for this shift and note the lack of enforcement or consequences for rule-breaking. The hosts touch on various topics, including lawlessness, the Bible, and the concept of moderation. They also mention a TV show called "The Good Place," which approaches philosophy in a comedic manner. Moving forward, Dutch and Chris discuss the importance of social proof, the TV series "Citadel," and the notion of living a middle way life. They also express their observations on the lack of shame in society when it comes to not assisting family members. Towards the end of the episode, Chris and Dutch critique the introduction of a TV show, specifically the decision to air a season for kids on a Wednesday night. They express their dissatisfaction with the execution and perceived lack of thoughtful planning.

    151: Is It Worth The Woke?

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2023 61:25


    Hosts Chris and Dutch in this episode cover various topics and engage in discussions. They begin by sharing their experiences and remedies for dealing with allergies to pollen. The conversation then shifts to the homelessness crisis in San Francisco, where they read and discuss an article from the City Journal that sheds light on the issue. Chris and Dutch delve into the illogical decisions made by companies, such as allowing tent cities and promoting trans activism, speculating that financial pressure from investors like BlackRock might be influencing these choices. They also touch on the popularity of items like roasted chicken and hot dogs at Costco, known as loss leaders. The hosts explore the influence of BlackRock and Vanguard in buying companies and using their shareholder power to push woke ideologies. They draw from their experiences working at NASA and emphasize the importance of vibration testing for rockets. Moving on, Chris and Dutch discuss various topics, including the possibility of a large sum of cash being used to advance an agenda, proposed economic reforms called Nissara/Ghisara, and the concept of the Johari window as a communication tool. They briefly touch on homelessness and even mention Star Wars. Conspiracy theories take center stage in the later part of the episode. Chris and Dutch discuss intriguing ideas such as Freemason symbolism in the entertainment industry, the existence of reptilian beings, and the supposed connection between the Swiss Guard and the Knights Templar. They express skepticism about the current state of society and whether a return to a previous "normal" is feasible. Towards the end of the episode, the hosts cover various topics, including techniques for deepening voices for podcasts, potential femme fatales for a project, and their shared enjoyment of the Nero Wolf detective novels. They conclude by making plans to organize things in the upcoming week.

    150: Travels, Digital Centaurs, and Trust in Society

    Play Episode Listen Later May 17, 2023 58:14


    In this episode, Dutch shares his recent travels to Arizona and recounts his experiences visiting Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend. Chris expresses interest in potentially joining Dutch for a future trip to Yosemite. Chris introduces his new venture, Polyscope Media, which utilizes digital centaurs to create content sites. Dutch provides valuable input on the importance of marketing and promotion for the venture. The hosts discuss the use of AI tools in generating blog posts and podcasts for their website, including employing Revoicer for voice generation and creating a 1950s-style reporter persona named Bill Baker. They also explore the idea of using an AI commenter bot to generate fictional comments on their posts. Additionally, Dutch and Chris delve into creating audio versions of blog posts using AI and developing fictional characters for a traditional values-themed blog. They discuss the concept of lead magnets and make plans to work on the project while being out in the wild. The hosts touch on various topics, such as a portable recorder, science fiction books, the Jerome report, Tucker Carlson's removal from Fox, and the theory of co-op-etition in business. They speculate about the possibility of someone's imminent demise and explore the reasons behind Tucker's departure. Furthermore, Dutch and Chris engage in a thought-provoking conversation about the theory of a master plan to transform society into a low-trust society, drawing parallels with China and other countries. They also discuss the erosion of institutional trust and question the credibility of politicians.

    149: Politics, Artificial Wombs, and Tucker Carlson

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2023 58:31


    The hosts discuss various political topics in this episode, including RFK Jr., Bernie Sanders, and voters' disillusionment. They emphasize the importance of representing the average person and not just the left or right extremes. Dutch and Chris also touch on the degradation of politics and the cancellation of Mother's Day because it is triggering for some people. In addition, the hosts explore the possibility of artificial wombs and the elimination of mothers and fathers. They discuss the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson being taken off Fox News and the potential consequences of this decision. Chris and Dutch delve into the speculation surrounding Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox News and the potential impact on the network's audience and revenue. They also touch on the prevalence of election fraud in Tarrant County and discuss smoking in bars, red counties in California, and conspiracy theories about the Nashville bombing and the Las Vegas shooting. Lastly, Chris and Dutch share their personal experiences with family members and their opinions on masks and vaccines.

    148: Philosophy, History, and Creative Prompts

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2023 62:58


    In this episode, the hosts explore various topics, including politics, time travel, and philosophy, questioning the reality of information and the connection between the mind and reality. They also discuss their love for listening to classical works on Audible, the recent acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk, and the negative portrayal of the United States in educational institutions. Dutch and Chris examine why opinions in America are often skewed to be anti-American, citing factors such as the presentation of predominantly white history in schools and the removal of rebellious symbols like the rebel flag. They also draw parallels between the themes in books like 1984 and Brave New World and the current state of society. In addition, Dutch and Chris talk about their travel experiences across the US and Canada and the balance of teaching American history in schools. They also delve into the possibility of pulling Americans out of their homes, the human spirit in times of crisis, and using prompts in creative processes. The hosts discuss a Udemy course and a newsletter on AI prompts and share their experiences using GPT to generate ideas and save time for various tasks. Finally, Dutch challenges Chris to generate a recipe for a new creation using only locally available ingredients for a Michelin-rated restaurant in Oaxaca, Mexico.

    147:Woke Backlash, AI Content Creation, and Evergreen Videos

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2023 58:52


    In this episode of "Oddly Incorrect" with hosts Dutch and Chris, they explore a range of topics including the pressure on companies to adopt woke policies and the potential backlash from consumers. They discuss the trend of media becoming less woke and more focused on traditional storytelling with strong male leads, as well as the controversy surrounding the Budweiser commercial featuring a transgender person. The hosts also delve into the funding of certain organizations, the potential for a global breakdown similar to Weimar Germany, and the situation in Taiwan. They also touch on the topic of using AI to create YouTube videos without appearing on camera and discuss various tools and techniques for generating content. The hosts share their thoughts on a YouTube channel called Blomie AI that uses AI tools to create faceless videos, and its potential for creating evergreen content for a specific target audience. Lastly, Dutch and Chris discuss a productive way to make money by creating templates for wedding invitations and resumes, and their plans to meet up in the Bay Area despite recent store closures.

    146: Woke Wars, Woke Trek and Work Country

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2023 60:51


    Chris and Dutch discussed various topics such as the size of California and Virginia, the changes in San Francisco, and the differences between Canada and the US. They also talked about their personal experiences and preferences in photography. Dutch and Chris discussed memes and flame wars on social media, as well as the potential consequences of crossing the line with posts. They also talked about the possibility of getting banned or shadow banned, and the importance of knowing where the line is. Chris and Dutch discussed various topics including Twitter's crackdown on political speech, Bud Light's decision to feature a trans TikTok star on their cans, and the failure of wokeism in various franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars. They also mentioned the backlash against Hershey's Canada for using a transgender person for International Women's Day. Dutch and Chris discussed the changes in country music and how it has become disconnected from its roots. They also questioned the authenticity and popularity of certain celebrities and analyzed the algorithm behind their promotion. Chris and Dutch discussed various topics including live streaming, social media, and upcoming trips. They also talked about the importance of asking well-formulated questions and diffusing tense situations with phrases like "good to know" and "another question I didn't ask." Dutch and Chris discussed the idea of a reality show about cyber friends who have known each other for a long time but have never met face to face. They also talked about the difficulty of accurately guessing someone's height based on online interactions.

    145: Trump, Fake Boyfriends & Polyworking

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2023 58:53


    A new AI-based note-taking tool called Fathom automatically summarizes conversations. They also briefly mentioned ongoing attempts to discredit former President Trump and the inability to find any criminal charges, despite attempts to do so for six years. They also discussed the person's efforts to lay down a precedent for his return before the election. Various topics, including a bomb in the basement, the Epstein case, and the gender disparity in relationships. They concluded that some women lie about being in relationships and that the identity of the influential people involved in the Epstein case remains unknown. Various topics, such as having a fake boyfriend as a defensive measure, the delusion of some women who wear makeup, and the emergence of the trad wife movement, did not come up with a clear solution. The gender identity of a mass shooter, with conflicting reports on whether the shooter was a trans man or a trans woman. They also speculated on the motivations behind individuals transitioning genders, with one theory being a desire for power and dominance. Various topics, including conspiracy theories, transgender issues, and advertising techniques. They also mentioned a book called "Scientific Advertising" by Claude Hopkins. Various topics include advertising, polyworking, and the trend of super savers who save money in their 20s to retire early. They also touched on the idea that society's economic function may not align with its economic figure. The high cost of living in San Francisco for software developers and how some people are polyworking to make ends meet. They also talked about the use of AI in art and how it can be a tool for artists to create their vision. Copyright laws regarding AI-generated art and the use of images from public rooms on Mid Journey. They also discussed the possibility of creating private rooms, and Chris mentioned writing a book with ChatGPT.

    144: Trump Arrest, Timeline Fork and #Tradwife

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2023 59:21


    It's happening / Internet blackout / Trump Arrest. Over What / Trumped Up Charges / Algo Slap Down Trump Word Shadowban / On FB / Barron's Birthday Weather Changes / Branch of the Timeline / We Are In a Fork Time For A Correction / Paint Your Wagon / Blockchain Kari Lake / Arizona / Trump Running Mate Biden-Harris Chosen For Incompetency / Nose Thumb To Populism Voting For vs Voting Against / Networking Adventures / ManlyMale 1950s Housewife / TradeWife Pushback / Mr. Sandman on Bitchute

    143: Tethered To The Past

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 14, 2023 60:09


    art and artists/blackface/censorship confusion in movies / memento / tenet star wars, not star puppies / not just entertainment Social messages in films / are no longer subtle Too dumb to get it / nuance is ineffective Trump was the disrupter / zalphas to continue the fight. captured LSD / peyote / drunk drivers token white Oscars / tethered to the past We used to be physically tethered / now; we are mentally tethered How do you build new relationships/experimentation = growth? Can't we have fun at the movies?

    142: Revolving Around The Earth

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 8, 2023 56:33


    Texas gets Calfornia Weather / Antelope Canyon Ebooks / Remove the Superstructure / Change the myths Shadow Monarchy / Geo vs. Heliocentric / Cosmology SGTReport / Conflicting world systems heliocentricity is in doubt / Hubble / Einstein / Newton Lunarwaves / Tartaria / J6 Videos Nothing is real / how to bring back reality / remove filters Swiss Guard / Chinese across the Canadian border Peace through strength / bioclandestine / El Salvador Prison Patriots Testing / ESG Backlash

    141: Women Vs. Men

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2023 60:25


    trees and water / good things happening / control by proxy good at running mass media / democrats above the law are all men simps / is it over for men / overcoming feminization females before males / masculinity and civilization nurturing not a male trait / civilization a male triat jordan peterson refutes the patriarchy / masculine tendencies the first marriage certificate / tax theory relationships are fraught with terror women red-pilling women / 99% of bricklayers are male de-simpification / simping & hypergamy could crumble civilization us government and false flags / run of the arrow /questioning orders asbury revival / resurgence of christianity contradictory bible stories / new heresies Will people survive a matrix revolution? / faith in resurrection co-op pagan holidays / more video ads/ring binders

    140: Encouraging Incivility

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2023 60:43


    dissolve the dept of education / its propaganda now / feelings why feelings / you trapped / side hustles don't make enough alchemy cafe / recommended group size 7-11 people a major topic of the day / what can we do / deep state attack covid experiment / major overreach / prepared vaccine lowering threat awareness/food service/walkthroughs assassins creed/video games / Fortnite Zork III / reaction-based gaming / we can all grind. tedious video editing / fb messenger / uncivilized behavior Turley talks/ken burns country music / not based Nate Smith/tribalism / black national anthem divisiveness / America / they hate the constitution dependent on systems / emp attacks

    139: Big White Balloon

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2023 59:26


    try to be comical / no more commonality / common threads pulling women / need to be funny / guys are always ripping people will be offended / stand up comedy / instant feedback dread of public speaking / stepping out of the herd anxiety : tense and release / chinese balloons / 50000 ft transponder required / DS getting more blatant / positions of power commercial airspace / 42000 ft / biden allowed it across America what is happening with memory / trumps 3rd person approach most crowds are forgiving / unless its contrary / feel empowerment is there really a gun behind every blade of grass? are we too tolerant and sedate / who is without sin? is Christianity invented to make us complacent? Have we been lied to all of this time? / Demonic Popes? No morals or ethics / uncivilized behavior / are peons allowed? reestablishing the orthodox church / no rules = no civilization social / direct democracy / capture the will of the people no shade of grey

    138: Incels & Memory Holes

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2023 60:50


    Shared vision vs supported vision / going through the crucible broke the wrong / do not share power / small towns are different rhetoric - all available means of persuasion incels / TikTok whores / simps, onlyfans, and tinder mgtow = a response to feminism / who should die What is survival / asymmetrical information warfare Reverse memory hole/history is never settled taking down the hero / historical revisionism no weighing of the souls / magnificent seven cost-benefit analysis/speed of memory holing vegas shooting/arresting a Saudi prince school shootings /false flags protests around the world / new world order humans are tribal by nature Trump upset the plan for the demise of society

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