The Wine Times Mysteries

Happy new year, lizards! We're back and what a winding road of recording this episode twice, having the audio bork differently two times, and then going with the original recording because it was slightly less bad this has been. All worth it for the story of Candy Jones, a.k.a. Arlene Grant, model possible MK Ultra victim. Buckle up for hypnosis, secret missions, possible Winter Soldiering, and fry bits. Also, a lengthy ode to Alias, a recommendation for Only Murders in the Building, and ~tales of pregnancy~. Sources: Wikipedia article on Candy Jones: https://bit.ly/3r9z0kg (https://bit.ly/3r9z0kg) Science Digest, "Hypnosis Comes of Age": https://bit.ly/3GqqoMz (https://bit.ly/3GqqoMz) Donald Bain, "The Control of Candy Jones" (audiobook): https://adbl.co/3tvxoUV (https://adbl.co/3tvxoUV) OZY, "Was this Blond Bombshell the CIA's Secret Weapon?": https://bit.ly/3fjG7kA (https://bit.ly/3fjG7kA) Unrevealed Files, "Candy Jones: A Secret Agent of the CIA Mind-Control Program": https://bit.ly/3KbsiD6 (https://bit.ly/3KbsiD6) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

The truth is out there and it is festive, y'all. It's Katy's turn and she has brought you some UFOs near Stonehenge that appear on Christmas morning, 1964 (and then a bunch of other times) - the story of the Warminster Thing! Is it just military drills from their nearby training area? Or is that what they WANT you to think? We check in with our PAs. MM is not ready to reenter society. Katy's been watching a lot of Desus & Mero. What do you think invisible fingers of sound look like? Everyone needs to watch Edge of Tomorrow. Yes, you. Happy holidays! Things Mentioned: The Loch Ness Monster: https://youtu.be/6aRrLKurmE8 (https://youtu.be/6aRrLKurmE8) Apollo's Chariot: https://youtu.be/k11vWNqmICY (https://youtu.be/k11vWNqmICY) Everyone needs to watch Edge of Tomorrow: https://bit.ly/3pnWmmD (https://bit.ly/3pnWmmD) Project Hail Mary: https://bit.ly/3EiAJby (https://bit.ly/3EiAJby) Sources: Mental Floss, "When the Warminster 'Thing' Terrorized a Small English Town": https://bit.ly/3J7HMY6 (https://bit.ly/3J7HMY6) Medium, "Mystery Box: The Warminster ‘Thing'": https://bit.ly/3mtIEwJ (https://bit.ly/3mtIEwJ) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

MM has a doozy for you this week, lizards - buckle up for the story of Victim F, a.k.a. the Gone Girl kidnapping, a.k.a. the abduction of Denise Huskins and the absolutely awful way she and her boyfriend were treated by police. Hm. Where have we heard THAT before? Stay tuned for the end of the episode where we have an update on the David Stone Halloween Mystery! (No, it's not solved.) (Still cool, though.) PA Moxie is living her best life in Christmas packaging. Reese's trees have the best chocolate to peanut butter ratio, don't @ us. How many days would you last off the grid? Katy got her steps in this episode by storming around in rage. DO A LITTLE INVESTIGASCH! GOD! Sources: Victim F: From Crime Victims to Suspects to Survivors: https://bit.ly/3pYsdcC (https://bit.ly/3pYsdcC) SFGate, "Bay Area 'Gone Girl' Denise Huskins believes some of her kidnappers got away": https://bit.ly/3s8J0MB (https://bit.ly/3s8J0MB) ABC News, "Survivors of Vallejo 'Gone Girl' case respond after police apologize for calling them liars": https://abc7ne.ws/3EYPPUE (https://abc7ne.ws/3EYPPUE) New York Post: "Real ‘Gone Girl' accused of staging her abduction is vindicated at last": https://bit.ly/3q0zfNZ (https://bit.ly/3q0zfNZ) San Francisco Chronicle, "Review: Couple traumatized by crime set the record straight on Vallejo kidnapping": https://bit.ly/3dRcXZv (https://bit.ly/3dRcXZv) Oxygen, "California Woman, Once Called The Real Life 'Gone Girl,' Receives Apology From Police": https://oxygen.tv/30tJ1zo (https://oxygen.tv/30tJ1zo) People, "Terror & Betrayal: They Were Attacked, She Was Abducted - and Police Said It Was All Lies": https://bit.ly/3maJ5vs (https://bit.ly/3maJ5vs) WIRED, "'Gone Girl' Suspect Confesses to Reporter—As FBI Listens In": https://bit.ly/33CBeAJ (https://bit.ly/33CBeAJ) NBC Bay Area, "Matthew Muller, Vallejo Kidnap Suspect, ‘Bipolar' and ‘Extremely' Smart, Friend and Lawyer Say": https://bit.ly/3GLUvxF (https://bit.ly/3GLUvxF) ABC News, "What the FBI Found In 'Gone Girl' Kidnapping Suspect Matthew Muller's Storage Locker": https://abcn.ws/3pX8VEl (https://abcn.ws/3pX8VEl) ABC News, "Inside the 'Gone Girl' Kidnapping: Zip-Ties, Nyquil and More Details From the California Break-In": https://abcn.ws/3ISEZSB (https://abcn.ws/3ISEZSB) ABC 11, "Survivors of so-called 'Gone Girl' case reflect on the life-changing experience": https://abc11.tv/33CBKyF (https://abc11.tv/33CBKyF) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

How is it December?! Lizards, we recorded this one in a post-Thanksgiving haze, so in addition to the tale of Kaz II, the ghost yacht, get ready for opinions about gravy. Oh, right, we said ghost yacht. Further proof that you don't fuck with the ocean, back in 2007, the crew of the Kaz II disappeared with no explanation, in a way compared to the disappearance of the Mary Celeste's crew back in the late 1800s. We'll take a detour, don't worry. What's your opinion on gravy viscosity? Pre-order MM's biography, "Disheveled But Seaworthy," today. Take a drink whenever we give you a new reason to not go in the ocean ever. Movie corner! Since Katy just got around to seeing Rise of Skywalker, we have a timely Star Wars discussion. Our fingers are ON THE PULSE OF POP CULTURE, you guys. We also chat about Shang Chi and Hereditary. Sources: Kaz II on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3oEha98 (https://bit.ly/3oEha98) Mary Celeste on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3Gtxcc0 (https://bit.ly/3Gtxcc0) The Guardian, "Australian coroner ends mystery of 'ghost ship'": https://bit.ly/3dAMU8M (https://bit.ly/3dAMU8M) Medium, "Behind the Mystery of the ‘Ghost Yacht'": https://bit.ly/3DA1kAp (https://bit.ly/3DA1kAp) The Paranormal Guide, "Kaz II Mystery": https://bit.ly/3oB2PtL (https://bit.ly/3oB2PtL) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Happy December, lizards! This week, MM brings you the winding tale of the "disappearance" of Tyler Hardy - brace yourselves for some twists! Turns! Etc.! Katy breaks MM's brain with a mushroom reference. "Hey, who wants to talk about some missing kids, now?" At what point when you're caught in a lie do you just give up? Also, hey, parents. Don't share pictures of your babies when they're still covered in WOMB BITS. This is a heartfelt tip from us to you. Production assistant Ollie takes a stand. Please lend us your child for one hour. Things mentioned: Sips By tea subscription (take $5 off your first box): https://bit.ly/3plGOi0 (https://bit.ly/3plGOi0) Zadiko "Zach's Breakfast" tea: https://bit.ly/3dcJV64 (https://bit.ly/3dcJV64) Sources: Daily Mail article: https://bit.ly/3G7Gn1l (https://bit.ly/3G7Gn1l) BBC One: Reporting Missing, Series 2 Ep 1: https://bbc.in/3GbiLsD (https://bbc.in/3GbiLsD) (official page); https://bit.ly/3xMJby6 (https://bit.ly/3xMJby6) (video) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We're back with some spooky tales from the spookiest place on earth... Reddit. Katy and her scratchy voice went to r/letsnotmeet and found a few tales for MM to react to - do we believe they're real? Either way, let's not meet. There's a difference between people and FUCKING PEOPLE, you know what we mean? Also, if they say "stay on the trail," stay on the goddamn trail. Has no one read A Sound of Thunder, jfc. Don't play a drinking game with MM saying "noooope," you'll die. Katy will always assume there's a hillbilly that's going to hunt her. Pro tip from your millennial aunts: ALWAYS LOCK YOUR CAR DOORS. Also: don't be a Mike. Things mentioned: Zadiko tea: http://zadiko.com/ (zadiko.com) Staircases in the woods: https://bit.ly/3l7kzej (https://bit.ly/3l7kzej) Sources: "I Was Told You Guys Over Here Might Like My Story": https://bit.ly/30T1PIe (https://bit.ly/30T1PIe) "I Bet There's a Body in the Trunk": https://bit.ly/3nN1ZKf (https://bit.ly/3nN1ZKf) "It Should Have Been a Beautiful Drive, But It Was a Trap": https://bit.ly/3r6SlEg (https://bit.ly/3r6SlEg) "The Woman on White's Bridge (with pictures)": https://bit.ly/3r9paAE (https://bit.ly/3r9paAE) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

This week, MM brings us the tale of the only convicted witch in Virginia, Grace Sherwood, because spooky season is forever. But first, join us for millennial aunt advice corner, in which Katy espouses you should know thyself... and if you're not an entrepreneur. "A boner for land" is not a phrase we'd thought we'd ever say, but here we are. MM annuls our friendship yet again. Our arms are weak and our brains are smooth. (This was recorded before 2021 election results came in for both Virginia and Washington. Laugh at the hope in our voices. :|) Things Mentioned Too Many Spirits ghost mug: https://bit.ly/3cpBELU (https://bit.ly/3cpBELU) Chris Bohjalian, Hour of the Witch: https://bit.ly/3qMKeMR (https://bit.ly/3qMKeMR) Hades video game: https://bit.ly/3nyKUnn (https://bit.ly/3nyKUnn) Sources Encyclopedia Virginia, "Sherwood, Grace": https://bit.ly/3wYbucp (https://bit.ly/3wYbucp) Atlas Obscura, "The Witch of Pungo Statue": https://bit.ly/3oHtPa3 (https://bit.ly/3oHtPa3) Colonial Ghosts, "Grace Sherwood, the Witch of Pungo": https://bit.ly/3qMKwTX (https://bit.ly/3qMKwTX) Virginia Museum of History and Culture, "Grace Sherwood, the Witch of Pungo": https://bit.ly/3Fs1FGE (https://bit.ly/3Fs1FGE) Grace Sherwood on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/30wVJxv (https://bit.ly/30wVJxv) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Last episode was our birthday and this episode is our 50th! Cheers! For our 50th episode, Katy has two Washington-state stories that are spooky (Kell's Irish Pub) and spooky adjacent (the very tragic tale of the murder of Jennifer Bastian and how her ghost is reportedly seen in Point Defiance Park). We are, of course, ready as hell for the Animal Crossing update. We will give you our thoughts, of course. Katy had never really experienced Zak Bagans before researching Kell's and is truly, truly baffled by his whole... [gestures generally] thing. There's an unexpected connection to our Starvation Heights episode (#33)! The gum wall remains gross. SOURCES Jennifer Bastian/Point Defiance Park King 5, "Man gets 27 years for cold case murder of Tacoma girl Jennifer Bastian": https://bit.ly/3mHXGiX (https://bit.ly/3mHXGiX) Jenny Bastian on the Unsolved Mysteries Wiki: https://bit.ly/3CIM84r (https://bit.ly/3CIM84r) Only in Your State, "One Of The Most Haunted Roads In Washington, Five Mile Drive Has Had A Ghost For 34 Years": https://bit.ly/31tsjjU (https://bit.ly/31tsjjU) Kell's Irish Pub Ghostly Activities, "Kell's Pub, Seattle's Most Haunted Bar": https://bit.ly/3BLhUfP (https://bit.ly/3BLhUfP) Only in Your State, "This Haunting Washington Bar Used To Be A Mortuary, And You'll Want To Visit": https://bit.ly/3k0TtFi (https://bit.ly/3k0TtFi) Seattle Met, "Exquisite Corpses": https://bit.ly/2ZPTuo0 (https://bit.ly/2ZPTuo0) Travel Channel, "Ghost Adventures: Kell's Irish Pub" (including the bit with the gum wall, blerg): https://bit.ly/3q5OMOk (https://bit.ly/3q5OMOk) Ghost Adventures - Zak Bagans interviewing the owner of Kell's: https://bit.ly/3wg8uYp (https://bit.ly/3wg8uYp) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Happy Halloween and happy birthday to our little pod! Thanks for joining us as we've learned what we're doing and getting in on how much fun we're having. Here's to many more! For our Halloween/birthday episode, MM brings us the spooky story of the disappearance of David Stone shortly after Halloween. We both conclude that we should live in caves... possibly with heated floors. Are you an elderly millennial that tortures themselves by browsing Zillow? Join our support group. El Paso, hit us up for all your marketing needs. BOOP, El Paso. SOURCES Billboard Hot 100 Chart for the week of 10/29/88: https://bit.ly/3bms4ZI (https://bit.ly/3bms4ZI) Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, "David Stone": https://bit.ly/3jNGdDH (https://bit.ly/3jNGdDH) The Uproar, "The Disappearance of David Stone": https://bit.ly/3BmEo6D (https://bit.ly/3BmEo6D) David Stone on Find a Grave: https://bit.ly/2ZAKseM (https://bit.ly/2ZAKseM) The Prescott Courier, "Questions Remain About Man's Death": https://bit.ly/3mpH6E0 (https://bit.ly/3mpH6E0) Mysterious Universe, "Strange Arcane Clues and the Mysterious Disappearance of David Stone": https://bit.ly/3vW8Wv6 (https://bit.ly/3vW8Wv6) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

SPOOKY SEASON continues on the Wine Times Mysteries, y'all! This week, Katy covers two more medical mysteries - the Oakville Blobs and the death of Gloria Ramirez, who has been dubbed the Toxic Lady, since several people treating her fainted and got sick. 1994 WAS A STRANGE TIME, OKAY? Contemplate your mortality~ Spooooky~ Drinking game this week: every time MM says EW during the Oakville Blobs story, take a conservative sip of your drink. What would you do if weird jello blobs started raining down? Katy's brother should do marketing for Jell-O. When encountering a medical anomaly, make sure to account for the amount of smooth-brained women involved. Pro-tip: DON'T GOOGLE THESE, Y'ALL. Also, Katy got MM into Stardew Valley, so we're branching out from Animal Crossing corner. Be advised if this is a thing for you - because it was relevant to the discussion, Katy didn't cut out her bones snapping at the end of the episode. There are a few knuckle cracks. Bones ASMR ahoy! OAKVILLE BLOBS KXRO, "20 Years Later: The Oakville Blob": https://bit.ly/3vJk7ap (https://bit.ly/3vJk7ap) ScienceFocus.com, "What were the ‘Oakville blobs'?": https://bit.ly/3njPTHc (https://bit.ly/3njPTHc) Medium, "The Blobs That Fell from the Sky": https://bit.ly/3aWQfh1 (https://bit.ly/3aWQfh1) TOXIC LADY Discover Magazine, "Analysis of a Toxic Death": https://bit.ly/3ndOKkb (https://bit.ly/3ndOKkb) Wikipedia, "The Death of Gloria Ramirez": https://bit.ly/3aU80gS (https://bit.ly/3aU80gS) IFL Science, "The Death Of 'The Toxic Lady' Remains An Unsolved Medical Case": https://bit.ly/3lYjzd7 (https://bit.ly/3lYjzd7) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

AND WE'RE BACK. Thank you for patience with Katy's hibernation and sorry for the unintentional cliffhanger - here's our resolution to the story of the Three Sisters in Black! Let's dig into what happened to poor Ocey Snead, the trial of her mother and her aunts, and the authorities trying to piece it all together. There are a lot of scams going on! Also, if you have a box full of money and proof of your scams, MAYBE don't leave it places. Also MAYBE don't have press conferences about all your crimes. CALL US SALVATORE. THINGS MENTIONED Scam Goddess Episode 48, "The Sha*n K*ing Episode with Ashley Ray-Harris": https://bit.ly/3mJflp6 (https://bit.ly/3mJflp6) AP, "Judges: Florida felons can't vote until they pay fines, fees": https://bit.ly/3oZjZSB (https://bit.ly/3oZjZSB) SOURCES Norman Zierold, "Three Sisters in Black: The Bizarre True Case of the Bathtub Tragedy": https://amzn.to/3kADDlr (https://amzn.to/3kADDlr) Heather Monroe, "The Slow Death of Ocey Snead": https://bit.ly/3EMe3Sg (https://bit.ly/3EMe3Sg) Roanoke Times, "Three sisters and their haunting history": https://bit.ly/3AyLIfV (https://bit.ly/3AyLIfV) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We're headed back to the early 1900s with MM's story this week (spoiler alert: and next week!) with the story of the Three Sisters in Black - Caroline Martin, Mary Snead, and Virginia Wardlaw - and the many mysterious deaths surrounding them. Buckle up, y'all, this is the background part of the story and it is a doozy with ousin marriage, cashing in on suspicious life insurance policies, Kim Kardashian Met Gala vibes, and murder durdur. NOTE: At the beginning of the episode, MM and Katy are talking about the incredibly tragic Gabby Petito case. This was recorded before her remains were found and before any of the developments this week. THINGS MENTIONED Blurriest Schmoojee: https://bit.ly/3EMD2Fo (https://bit.ly/3EMD2Fo) Casey Cep, "Furious Hours: Murder, Fraud, and the Last Trial of Harper Lee": https://bit.ly/2XBmj6G (https://bit.ly/2XBmj6G) SOURCES Norman Zierold, "Three Sisters in Black: The Bizarre True Case of the Bathtub Tragedy": https://amzn.to/3kADDlr (https://amzn.to/3kADDlr) Heather Monroe, "The Slow Death of Ocey Snead": https://bit.ly/3EMe3Sg (https://bit.ly/3EMe3Sg) Roanoke Times, "Three sisters and their haunting history": https://bit.ly/3AyLIfV (https://bit.ly/3AyLIfV) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Katy watched the Circleville Letters episode of 48 Hours so you don't have to. Learn about the small town in Ohio that was terrorized by anonymous letters about town secrets, starting in 1976 and stopping in 1993. Hundreds of letters were sent, but the main target seems to be Mary Gillispie and her family. Also: two tiny internet mystery amuse bouches from recent times: the mystery celebrity on the early 2000s shower curtain and who didn't thank Mindy Kaling for an $1,800 dinner? What exactly does an $1,800 dinner entail? What did he and his family order? Was it super fancy steak? Lots of old scotch? Katy's obsessed with knowing. Aaaaaaanyway, who was the River Phoenix of 2000-2008? Please tell MM on Insta, @truecrimewine69. How would you trap someone, Elmer Fudd-style? THINGS MENTIONED: Penny Arcade sneeze comic from 2005: https://bit.ly/3tKML9N (https://bit.ly/3tKML9N) SOURCES: AMUSE BOUCHE 1: THE SHOWER CURTAIN The shower curtain with the source images for each person: https://imgur.com/a/ao0hWN3 (https://imgur.com/a/ao0hWN3) Close up on the mystery person: https://imgur.com/xx1QGAF (https://imgur.com/xx1QGAF) AMUSE BOUCHE 2: MINDY KALING'S "MAX DAVIS" STORY The story: https://bit.ly/3lycLSp (https://bit.ly/3lycLSp) THE CIRCLEVILLE LETTERS 48 Hours: https://cbsn.ws/3AfxAI5 (https://cbsn.ws/3AfxAI5) Thought Catalog, "The Creepy Letters That Exposed A Town's Juiciest Secrets — And Ended In Murder": https://bit.ly/3Em5Tjt (https://bit.ly/3Em5Tjt) Listverse, "Top 10 Strange Facts About the Circleville Writer": https://bit.ly/3hFdDTV (https://bit.ly/3hFdDTV) Mental Floss, "The Mystery of the Circleville Letters": https://bit.ly/3C8lXn4 (https://bit.ly/3C8lXn4) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

It's MM's turn at the wheel and she brings us the tale of the first televangelist in the U.S., Aimee Semple McPherson - her rise to prominence in the 1920s, and her strange disappearance and the circumstances around it. What do you think happened? We recorded this on Labor Day weekend where Katy resembled a burrito-eating gremlin and MM was eaten alive by bugs, so the energy is HIGH. We are not sponsored by the Bug Sucker(tm), but WE COULD BE. If we go missing in the ocean, please only mistake sexy mermaids for us. Not two dead seals. The pact is struck. THINGS MENTIONED: Bug Sucker: https://www.bugbitething.com/ (https://www.bugbitething.com/) SOURCES: Smithsonian Magazine, "The Incredible Disappearing Evangelist": https://bit.ly/3yQnZ9i (https://bit.ly/3yQnZ9i) BBC, "The mysterious disappearance of a celebrity preacher": https://bbc.in/3lafBws (https://bbc.in/3lafBws) Oxygen, "This Depression-Era Televangelist Was The Inspiration For Characters In 'Perry Mason' And 'Penny Dreadful: City Of Angels": https://oxygen.tv/3BUjMU1 (https://oxygen.tv/3BUjMU1) LA Times, "Home of the Week: Aimee Semple McPherson's castle in Lake Elsinore": https://lat.ms/3zZRLJZ (https://lat.ms/3zZRLJZ) Aimee Semple McPherson on Find a Grave: https://bit.ly/3E2oy3t (https://bit.ly/3E2oy3t) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Katy returns to her fandom roots this week with a tale of no-stakes internet drama: the tale of MsScribe and her rise and fall in the Harry Potter fandom. JK Rowling is trash, but the shenanigans the fandom got up to after the release of Goblet of Fire is DELICIOUS. But first! MM went on a road trip that was... something. Katy used to cosplay at anime conventions and write Sailor Moon fanfiction, so she feels qualified to talk about internet dramatics. MM and her brother share a love of Star Trek. Let's all have a Duncan Sheik renaissance. MM learns that fanfiction can be a dark place. PA Ollie weighs in. THINGS MENTIONED Ben Affleck talks about the Voyage of the Mimi on Jimmy Fallon: https://bit.ly/2V9vBWL (https://bit.ly/2V9vBWL) Duncan Sheik, an Artist: https://bit.ly/3mWDo5E (https://bit.ly/3mWDo5E) SOURCES Charlotte Lennox/Angua9, "The Ms. Scribe Story: An Unauthorized Fandom Biography" (the original expose): https://bit.ly/38CsObH (https://bit.ly/38CsObH) Eldena Doubleca5t, "Msscribe: The Harry Potter Fandom's Greatest Con-Artist - When Posting Goes Wrong": https://bit.ly/3jDNupY (https://bit.ly/3jDNupY) Ms. Scribe on Fanlore.org's wiki: https://bit.ly/3zHFHx8 (https://bit.ly/3zHFHx8) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

And we're back! MM's here with Part 2 of her story on the Order of the Solar Temple, where we do a deeper look into their origins and beliefs, as well as their two leaders, Joseph Di Mambro and Luc Jouret. There are a lot of bummers, you guys! Hey girl. Do you believe in past lives? If you did a past life regression, do you think you'd get a random dude? Who else was Di Mambro besides happening to be Jesus? Always question your woo woo shit, because there could be SECRET NAZISM when you get higher in the organization. THINGS MENTIONED My Brother, My Brother, and Me - Travis calls the Knights Templar: https://bit.ly/3t0HuLf (https://bit.ly/3t0HuLf) SOURCES Film Daily, "‘The Order of the Solar Temple' is one of the creepiest cults ever": https://bit.ly/3lT9MWb (https://bit.ly/3lT9MWb) Order of the Solar Temple on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3fVwNnO (https://bit.ly/3fVwNnO) CBC Digital Archive, "The gory details of the Solar Temple cult at Morin Heights": https://bit.ly/3AApkCt (https://bit.ly/3AApkCt) Encyclopedia.com, "Di Mambro, Joseph (1924-1994)": https://bit.ly/3yEyP32 (https://bit.ly/3yEyP32) Luc Jouret on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3lX2FfG (https://bit.ly/3lX2FfG) Michel Tabachnik on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3fYmNtR (https://bit.ly/3fYmNtR) James R. Lewis (editor), "The Order of the Solar Temple: the Temple of Death" (Google Books): https://bit.ly/3jM0Cbq (https://bit.ly/3jM0Cbq) VoxSpace, "The Order Of The Solar Temple: The Suicide Cult That Shook The World": https://bit.ly/3m3xEX8 (https://bit.ly/3m3xEX8) MacLean's, "Twisted Legacy: Luc Jouret's death ends one mystery": https://bit.ly/3AyO9i7 (https://bit.ly/3AyO9i7) Religioscope, "'Our terrestrial journey is coming to an end': the last voyage of the Solar Temple": https://bit.ly/3fVZelt (https://bit.ly/3fVZelt) Toronto Sun, "SOLAR TEMPLE MASSACRE: Mystery endures 25 years later": https://bit.ly/3CG5M1u (https://bit.ly/3CG5M1u) Cults Podcast, Order of the Solar Temple/Joseph Di Mambro episode: https://spoti.fi/37yBLCn (https://spoti.fi/37yBLCn) Order of the Solar Temple Documentary: https://youtu.be/w2KrCctV8V0 (https://youtu.be/w2KrCctV8V0) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

A two parter? From MM? It's more likely than you think. MM's story this week is about a cult, the Order of the Solar Temple. In part one, she goes over the outcome of the story, where several events of mass death occur in 1994 and bring the Order into the public consciousness. The investigations into these deaths are MADDENING. But first, there's a ginger devil update. Once again, we establish that we are susceptible to good branding. Limber up your wincing muscles before listening. All hail Saint Hoogidihoo. THINGS MENTIONED: BTS Autocomplete Interview: https://youtu.be/qsobCAGiuRU (https://youtu.be/qsobCAGiuRU) SOURCES: Film Daily, "‘The Order of the Solar Temple' is one of the creepiest cults ever": https://bit.ly/3lT9MWb (https://bit.ly/3lT9MWb) Order of the Solar Temple on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3fVwNnO (https://bit.ly/3fVwNnO) CBC Digital Archive, "The gory details of the Solar Temple cult at Morin Heights": https://bit.ly/3AApkCt (https://bit.ly/3AApkCt) Encyclopedia.com, "Di Mambro, Joseph (1924-1994)": https://bit.ly/3yEyP32 (https://bit.ly/3yEyP32) Luc Jouret on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3lX2FfG (https://bit.ly/3lX2FfG) Michel Tabachnik on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3fYmNtR (https://bit.ly/3fYmNtR) James R. Lewis (editor), "The Order of the Solar Temple: the Temple of Death" (Google Books): https://bit.ly/3jM0Cbq (https://bit.ly/3jM0Cbq) VoxSpace, "The Order Of The Solar Temple: The Suicide Cult That Shook The World": https://bit.ly/3m3xEX8 (https://bit.ly/3m3xEX8) MacLean's, "Twisted Legacy: Luc Jouret's death ends one mystery": https://bit.ly/3AyO9i7 (https://bit.ly/3AyO9i7) Religioscope, "'Our terrestrial journey is coming to an end': the last voyage of the Solar Temple": https://bit.ly/3fVZelt (https://bit.ly/3fVZelt) Toronto Sun, "SOLAR TEMPLE MASSACRE: Mystery endures 25 years later": https://bit.ly/3CG5M1u (https://bit.ly/3CG5M1u) Cults Podcast, Order of the Solar Temple/Joseph Di Mambro episode: https://spoti.fi/37yBLCn (https://spoti.fi/37yBLCn) Order of the Solar Temple Documentary: https://youtu.be/w2KrCctV8V0 (https://youtu.be/w2KrCctV8V0) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Katy gets very literal this week and brings us a wine-based mystery by covering the story of Rudy Kurniawan, the first person to be charged with wine fraud in the U.S, from the 2016 documentary, "Sour Grapes." Content warning: you're really going to hate rich douchebags during this episode, but since you probably already DO... let's get into it. It's MM's birthday (observed)! We return to France quite a bit with the documentary's hero, Laurent Ponsot, who is officially offered a hosting gig here with us (call us, Laurent). MM cannot believe no one in the wine scene verifies ANYTHING. We do not recommend taking a drink everytime she sighs in incredulity or says "oh, fuck off." This may cause BODILY HARM. Do not accept an invitation to a wine bathroom. If you're gonna do crime, PROOFREAD YO' SHIT. Sources/Things Mentioned Sour Grapes documentary: https://bit.ly/2WW7Wtn (https://bit.ly/2WW7Wtn) Hollywood Jef filmography: https://bit.ly/2VppWMf (https://bit.ly/2VppWMf) Wine Spectator, "Where in the World Is Wine Counterfeiter Rudy Kurniawan?" (Nov. 2020): https://bit.ly/3xkgTJz (https://bit.ly/3xkgTJz) Decanter, "U.S. deports convicted wine fraudster Rudy Kurniawan" (Apr. 2021): https://bit.ly/2VtWQej (https://bit.ly/2VtWQej) The New Yorker, "A True-Crime Documentary About the Con That Shook the World of Wine" (2016): https://bit.ly/3xo5kkr (https://bit.ly/3xo5kkr) Fremont Brewing slap koozie: https://www.fremontbeertogo.com/geartogo (https://www.fremontbeertogo.com/geartogo) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

MM unrolls the mile-long scroll of content warnings for the conclusion of her coverage of the Netflix documentary "Evil Genius." Find out what happened after authorities made the connection of the murder of Brian Wells to all of the shenanigans of Marjorie Diehl Armstrong and Bill Rothstein. Who the hell came up with over the hill parties? Katy has traumatic scavenger hunt memories. How do you even get into sword swallowing? Backstory alert: learn how Katy and MM both know someone who is on the lam for (alleged) embezzlement. Learn some fun facts about how to competitively eat strawberries. When you get to the Game of Thrones reference... it's Rickon. We know we're talking about Rickon. Don't @ us. Sources/Things Mentioned Evil Genius: The True Story of America's Most Diabolical Bank Heist: https://bit.ly/3eIXCe5 (https://bit.ly/3eIXCe5) Wikipedia, "The Death of Brian Wells": https://bit.ly/36R4KRg (https://bit.ly/36R4KRg) Burlington County Times, "15 Years Later, Where Are the Pizza Bomber Characters Now?": https://bit.ly/3rrM9ET (https://bit.ly/3rrM9ET) Erie Times News, Jon Rothstein obituary: https://legcy.co/3zBPqEP (https://legcy.co/3zBPqEP) Mental Floss, "12 Facts About Evil Genius, Netflix's Addictive New True Crime Series": https://bit.ly/2UYGfiy (https://bit.ly/2UYGfiy) 30 Minutes or Less (somehow not based on this!): https://bit.ly/3wYiDIf (https://bit.ly/3wYiDIf) Buzzfeed Unsolved's Pizza Bomber episode: https://youtu.be/63tQ7yGmsmI (https://youtu.be/63tQ7yGmsmI) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

MM's telling a story that is full of way too many twists and turns to be contained in one episode: the 2003 murder of Brian Wells, which included a collar bomb, a bank heist, and lots of evil masterminding from Marjorie Diehl Armstrong. Also included, a BTS/Ginger Demon update. MM texting Katy about booby traps prompts no context questions or follow-ups. Authorities go on the worst scavenger hunt ever. All important and sex-related contact info should go in a Lisa Frank address book. Werewolves are not Katy's brand. Keep your ears... peeled(?)... for cameos from both PA Moxie and PA Oliver Queen. Sources/Things Mentioned Evil Genius: The True Story of America's Most Diabolical Bank Heist: https://bit.ly/3eIXCe5 (https://bit.ly/3eIXCe5) Wikipedia, "The Death of Brian Wells": https://bit.ly/36R4KRg (https://bit.ly/36R4KRg) Burlington County Times, "15 Years Later, Where Are the Pizza Bomber Characters Now?": https://bit.ly/3rrM9ET (https://bit.ly/3rrM9ET) Erie Times News, Jon Rothstein obituary: https://legcy.co/3zBPqEP (https://legcy.co/3zBPqEP) Mental Floss, "12 Facts About Evil Genius, Netflix's Addictive New True Crime Series": https://bit.ly/2UYGfiy (https://bit.ly/2UYGfiy) 30 Minutes or Less (somehow not based on this!): https://bit.ly/3wYiDIf (https://bit.ly/3wYiDIf) Buzzfeed Unsolved's Pizza Bomber episode: https://youtu.be/63tQ7yGmsmI (https://youtu.be/63tQ7yGmsmI) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Katy brings you three mysteries from Washington's Olympic Peninsula - a mysterious tree fall of hundreds of trees around Lake Quinnault in 2018, the tale of Hallie Illingworth - the Lady of Lake Crescent, and the disappearance of Russell and Blanch Warren near Lake Crescent in 1929 that was solved 72 years later. Katy is being personally attacked by a ginger demon. First Daughter is destroying the patriarchy and is experiencing sleep away camp innovations. MM apologizes to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Check out our new ska band, The Errant Meteor. Alaska became a state in 1959?! Time truly is a flat circle. Sources/Things Mentioned: BTS, Dope: https://youtu.be/H8lYMWZD5P8 (https://youtu.be/H8lYMWZD5P8) Lake Quinnault Tree Fall: Seattle Times: https://bit.ly/3xGfSfz (https://bit.ly/3xGfSfz) The Chronicle: https://bit.ly/36FjFy5 (https://bit.ly/36FjFy5) The Disappearance of Russell and Blanch Warren: CBS News: https://cbsn.ws/3ia2JFl (https://cbsn.ws/3ia2JFl) Seattle PI: https://bit.ly/3yZSlXi (https://bit.ly/3yZSlXi) Hallie Illingworth, The Lady of the Lake My Olympic Park: https://bit.ly/3rbz9U3 (https://bit.ly/3rbz9U3) The Vintage News: https://bit.ly/2UQfUD2 (https://bit.ly/2UQfUD2) Morbid Podcast, Episode 83: https://apple.co/3AZL63H (https://apple.co/3AZL63H) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

MM starts off this episode with some fun Lizard News... HOWEVER, she follows it up with a doozy of a mystery - the September 10, 2001 disappearance of Dr. Sneha Philip. Get ready to hate the patriarchy and heteronormativity (more than you already should and do). There are a lot of twists and turns here - get ready to take a drink any time we say HOWEVER. Katy is on a seltzer journey. #notallwater. What would you gird to prepare for anger? Anger glands? Anger loins? Sleepy MM is not to be trifled with, she will throw you straight across a room. Sources/Things Mentioned: 2 Towns Ciderhouse Seek Out seltzer: https://seekoutseltzer.com/seltzers/ (https://seekoutseltzer.com/seltzers/) Half Lion seltzer: https://bit.ly/3hPnMNd (https://bit.ly/3hPnMNd) San Juan seltzer: https://www.sanjuanseltzer.com/ (https://www.sanjuanseltzer.com/) New York Magazine, "Last Seen on September 10": https://nym.ag/3hqGRX8 (https://nym.ag/3hqGRX8) The True Crime Files, "The Disappearance of Sneha Philip": https://bit.ly/2ViAnkq (https://bit.ly/2ViAnkq) Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, "Dr. Sneha Philip": https://bit.ly/3hLl4bp (https://bit.ly/3hLl4bp) The Charley Project, "Sneha Ann Philip": https://bit.ly/3hGGh6m (https://bit.ly/3hGGh6m) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We're back with Katy reporting in from the surface of the sun (...or Seattle in a historic heat cone) with some strange medical mysteries. If you are a hypochondriac... be warned, these maladies are wild and only provide more evidence that the brain is a terrifying place. Learn about aquagenic urticaria, or being ALLERGIC TO WATER, and a mystery brain disease striking in New Brunswick, Canada. Spoiler alert, neither of us are doctors, so please don't take any of this as medically perfect. Katy just researched online, okay? Everything sounds like an episode of House. There are some bonus mysteries discussed, like chimeric people, Foreign Accent Syndrome, and whatever the fuck possessed people to eat rotten meat as a health trend. Sources/Things Mentioned: The "medical mysteries" section of the Washington Post: https://wapo.st/3ycqK4M (https://wapo.st/3ycqK4M) New Scientist, "Seven Unsolved Medical Mysteries": https://bit.ly/3w8gvxc (https://bit.ly/3w8gvxc) BBC, "The Woman Who is Allergic to Water": https://bbc.in/3h7Orpd (https://bbc.in/3h7Orpd) Wikipedia article on aquagenic urticaria: https://bit.ly/2UgT7Al (https://bit.ly/2UgT7Al) Know Your Meme, "Fuck Around, Find Out - the Scientific Method": https://bit.ly/2Ue4Nnt (https://bit.ly/2Ue4Nnt) Washington Post, "A mysterious, devastating brain disorder is afflicting dozens in one Canadian province": https://wapo.st/3A9Aleu (https://wapo.st/3A9Aleu) BBC, "Doctors investigate mystery brain disease in Canada": https://bbc.in/3A9ABKu (https://bbc.in/3A9ABKu) L.A. Not So Confidential Episode 35, "Capgras Syndrome": https://apple.co/3x5b1V4 (https://apple.co/3x5b1V4) My Brother, My Brother, and Me: Live and Virtual (available until July 9): https://bit.ly/mbmbamvirtual (https://bit.ly/mbmbamvirtual)

It's MM's turn for a story this week and we're headed back to Texas for the mystery of Pecos Jane Doe. Salina, Kansas teenager Jolaine Hemmy went missing in 1966 with only some suspicious postcards sent to her family as a trace of her. Meanwhile, a Jane Doe drowns in a pool at the Ropers Motel in Pecos, TX. There's a lot of twists and turns in this one, plus the ever-present WHY ARE MEN?! We set our crisis/secret codes for if we're ever sending "I'm okay BUT NOT REALLY" texts. Seattle is going through a heat wave and Katy is really dramatic about it. A Bad B club is established for all the awesome Bad Bs in this story. There is a "Jennifer Lopez is a queen who can do whatever she wants (even if that is Ben Affleck)" aside. None of this takes place in any panhandle. Katy brings up Bones a lot for someone who wasn't that into Bones. PA Oliver Queen has a lot of thoughts on this one. Sources/Things Mentioned: Texas Monthly, "Pecos Jane Has a Name" (6/14/21): https://bit.ly/3wS1hNL (https://bit.ly/3wS1hNL) Salina Journal, "Salina teenager identified as 1966 Texas Jane Doe" (1/23/21): https://bit.ly/3j9e4Yq (https://bit.ly/3j9e4Yq) Oxygen, "Police Still Seeking Clues After Teen Found Dead In Texas Motel Pool In 1966 Identified With DNA" (1/20/21): https://oxygen.tv/3qo1TZd (https://oxygen.tv/3qo1TZd) Fort Worth Star-Telegram, "Texas motel pool death mystery ends as police ID Kansas teen in 54-year-old cold case" (1/19/21): https://bit.ly/2T4kDAy (https://bit.ly/2T4kDAy) Unidentified Wiki, "Jolaine Hemmy": https://bit.ly/3qmFgUP (https://bit.ly/3qmFgUP) Present Day Ropers Motel (Google Maps streetview): https://goo.gl/maps/36FPHiUNi8Mderbm6 (https://goo.gl/maps/36FPHiUNi8Mderbm6) National Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/ (https://www.thehotline.org/) The Doe Network: http://www.doenetwork.org/ (http://www.doenetwork.org/) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Hello, listeners - this week Katy brings you a smattering of Seattle/Washington state tales for you: a mysterious soda machine that dispenses rare sodas (hear us learn what Pepsi AM is in REAL TIME), but it currently off on a journey to find itself, a gravity hill where if you put your car in neutral it will go up the hill (because of... child ghosts? Possibly?), and the horrifying story behind the Wilderness "Starvation" Heights sanitarium, where "Dr." Linda Hazzard starved many of her patients to death with extreme fasting. Would you drink a mystery soda from the mystery soda machine? Even if it was New Coke? We introduce a new player in the Wine Times cinematic universe (warm welcome to marketing bro Tom) and get in our feelings a bit over how diet culture affects us all. Don't worry, we didn't forget our weekly "oops, our brothers listen to this" joke. ~Bowels gotta bowel.~ Sources/Things Mentioned: MYSTERY SODA MACHINE Today I Found Out, "The Bizarre History of the Seattle Mystery Vending Machine": https://bit.ly/3zweOwg (https://bit.ly/3zweOwg) Wikipedia, "Capitol Hill's Mystery Soda Machine": https://bit.ly/2TFjhfw (https://bit.ly/2TFjhfw) The Mystery Soda Machine's Facebook page: https://bit.ly/3q3MCfZ (https://bit.ly/3q3MCfZ) Pepsi A.M.?!: https://bit.ly/3q46Xl7 (https://bit.ly/3q46Xl7) GRAVITY HILL Geography Realm, "What are Gravity Hills": https://bit.ly/3iLK8RE (https://bit.ly/3iLK8RE) List of gravity hills on Wikipedia: https://bit.ly/3xsa60S (https://bit.ly/3xsa60S) Only in Your State: "Prosser is Home to a Strange Gravity Hill in Washington": https://bit.ly/3q0r4Rr (https://bit.ly/3q0r4Rr) Seattle Refined: "Cars seemingly roll uphill by themselves on Gravity Hill outside Prosser, WA": https://bit.ly/2THGRbx (https://bit.ly/2THGRbx) STARVATION HEIGHTS Smithsonian Magazine, "The Doctor Who Starved Her Patients to Death": https://bit.ly/3cPmnEB (https://bit.ly/3cPmnEB) Only in Your State, "The Story Behind This Evil Place In Washington Will Make Your Blood Turn Cold": https://bit.ly/3gx2ZOX (https://bit.ly/3gx2ZOX) Gregg Olsen, "Starvation Heights: A True Story of Murder and Malice in the Woods of the Pacific Northwest": https://bit.ly/35tPqJL (https://bit.ly/35tPqJL) Sawbones Episode 118, "Fasting": https://bit.ly/3xr494b (https://bit.ly/3xr494b) Wikipedia, "Linda Hazzard": https://bit.ly/2U1QMZJ (https://bit.ly/2U1QMZJ) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Katy's back to her proper coast so we are once again bicoastal besties. While we were mono-coastal, we took a little walk to a demonic house, which you get to hear all about, popped a bottle, and generally lived our best lives (and Katy got to meet PA Moxie). This week, MM brings us the tale of the Marion Murders of Fairfax County, VA, a story from 2006 that's full of strange coincidences... or are they connections? We'll run through the theories - what do you think happened? Most importantly: Anyone with information on the murders of Marion Newman or Marion Marshall is asked to call Crime Solvers at 1-866-411-TIPS (8477) or the police non-emergency number at 703-691-2131. Sources/Things Mentioned: Fairfax County Cold Case Squad: https://bit.ly/2TX5e5l (https://bit.ly/2TX5e5l) Fairfax County Cold Case Squad, Unsolved Homicides 2000-2009: https://bit.ly/2TgpK0m (https://bit.ly/2TgpK0m) Fairfax County Police Dept. News, "Detectives Seek Assistance Solving 2006 Cold Case Murders of Two Women" (12/4/19): https://bit.ly/356cnmk (https://bit.ly/356cnmk) Fox 5 DC, "Marion Murders: Police release composite images of man who killed, sexually assaulted 2 Virginia women" (12/4/19): https://bit.ly/3iqhxRU (https://bit.ly/3iqhxRU) Patch.com, "Cold Case: Springfield 'Marion Murders' Go Unsolved" (4/6/12): https://bit.ly/3glRx7F (https://bit.ly/3glRx7F) Washington Post, "Fairfax Police Seeking Link In Killing of Older Women" (11/23/06): https://wapo.st/3cs2QtG (https://wapo.st/3cs2QtG) The Connection, "Murder Alters Quiet Street" (8/22/06): https://bit.ly/3zqFrTs (https://bit.ly/3zqFrTs) Fractured Fairfax - Death Houses in Fairfax County: https://bit.ly/3g8Vwpd (https://bit.ly/3g8Vwpd) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Keeping the vibes right and tight, lizards! This week, Katy takes us back to Maryland due to listener feedback from the last episode, requesting tales of the Snallygaster, a Maryland cryptid possibly invented by moonshiners, its only natural enemy, the Dwayyo wolfman, and the Bunny Man, a scary tale based on a real story from... [checks notes] Fairfax, Virginia? What the heck? Who got this Virginia in here? Sources/Things Mentioned: SNALLYGASTER Preservation Maryland, "Haunted Maryland: The Monsters Lurking in Frederick County": https://bit.ly/3wNsMaO (https://bit.ly/3wNsMaO) Legends of America, "Snallygaster, Winged Creature of the Northeast": https://bit.ly/34zVboS (https://bit.ly/34zVboS) AppalachianHistory.net, "It's the Snallygaster": https://bit.ly/3g0tP0m (https://bit.ly/3g0tP0m) The Baltimore Sun, "Back Story: Spinning the Tale of the Snallygaster": https://bit.ly/3vDGQnh (https://bit.ly/3vDGQnh) Snallygaster Beer Festival: https://www.snallygasterdc.com/ (https://www.snallygasterdc.com/) DWAYYO Legends of America, "Dwayyo, the Maryland Wolf Man": https://bit.ly/2S2vKcN (https://bit.ly/2S2vKcN) Bygone Maryland, "The Dwayyo: Don't Mess With It": https://bit.ly/3pcc1n9 (https://bit.ly/3pcc1n9) BUNNY MAN Washingtonian, "The Scary, Weird, Somewhat True Story of the Fairfax 'Bunny Man'": https://bit.ly/3yOb09k (https://bit.ly/3yOb09k) BadWolf Brewing Company's "The Bunny Man" lager on Untappd: https://bit.ly/2SNQ5CA (https://bit.ly/2SNQ5CA) The Patch, "Bunnyman Brewing Aims For Summer Opening In Burke Area": https://bit.ly/3vFZbjp (https://bit.ly/3vFZbjp) OTHER Finding Ohana on Netflix: https://bit.ly/3z0raN9 (https://bit.ly/3z0raN9) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

MM brings us the story of the Love Has Won cult and the rise and mysterious fall of its "Mother God," Amy Carlson. Love Has Won originated in 2006 and hold on to your butts, this is a RIDE. We talk about our own levels of susceptibility for cults, our preferred excuses for if we find ourselves in the line for brands (GO BIG), the telltale signs of a destructive cult and what to watch out for. Be sure to show chicken parm some RESPECT. Don't be on the wrong side of the mountain, whatever that means. Also, yes, Katy once lived with members of a cult who did not try to recruit her. She's still bitter. SOURCES Wikipedia, "Love Has Won": https://bit.ly/3wB5hSu (https://bit.ly/3wB5hSu) The Denver Post, "How a Texas mom left her family to become 'Mother God,' leader of Colorado's Love Has Won cult" (May 16, 2021): https://dpo.st/3uu6xVL (https://dpo.st/3uu6xVL) BBC News, "Love Has Won: Family's grief at death of mummified cult leader" (May 11, 2021): https://bbc.in/3wv40My (https://bbc.in/3wv40My) Refinery 29, "Cult Leader 'Mother God' Was Found Dead & Mummified. Why are her followers celebrating?" (May 7, 2021): https://r29.co/3oT6Ok0 (https://r29.co/3oT6Ok0) Washington Post, "'She didn't deserve to die the way she did,' says family of cult leader found dead and mummified" (May 5, 2021): https://wapo.st/3oQpMI8 (https://wapo.st/3oQpMI8) Vice News, "Meet 'Mother God:' The Leader of Love Has Won" (March 9, 2021): https://bit.ly/3wxtZDd (https://bit.ly/3wxtZDd) September 15, 2020 Episode of "Dr. Phil": "Dr. Phil And Cult Expert Question Leader Of Spiritual Group About Her Behavior Toward Her Followers": https://youtu.be/Gvw-MtSR9vk (https://youtu.be/Gvw-MtSR9vk) "Dr. Phil Questions Followers Of Love Has Won Group As They Defend Leader": https://youtu.be/p8oGiEGdcgI (https://youtu.be/p8oGiEGdcgI) The Guru Magazine, "Crestone Cult Love Has Won Leaves Man to Die in Desert" (July 23, 2020): https://bit.ly/2RNOnRM (https://bit.ly/2RNOnRM) The Guardian, "Watch out for tell-tale signs," by Rick Ross (May 27, 2009): https://bit.ly/3oRKoQl (https://bit.ly/3oRKoQl) RJ Lifton, "Cult Formation" (1991): https://bit.ly/3bZgDYm (https://bit.ly/3bZgDYm) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

This week, Katy brings four Maryland-based stories to the table, hon. Learn along with MM about Maryland's own equal opportunity Goatman, the abandoned Glenn Dale Hospital, the curse of Moll Dyer, and the sad true crime tale of the Lyon Sisters. Hold on to your butts: there is a nearly 10-minute discussion of various non-salad salads of the 70's, like waldorf, watergate, and ambrosia. Hurk. Embrace Katy's homeland of Maryland so that you, too, can know what the Beltsville Research Agricultural Center said was "so stupid." We also learn that Katy may be ride or die, but she's going to ask an awful lot of questions about why you want to burn stuff. THEE MARYLAND GOATMAN: Washingtonian, "The Goatman, or His Story At Least, Still Haunts Prince George's County": https://bit.ly/341YIfg (https://bit.ly/341YIfg) Modern Farmer, "Maryland's Goatman is Half Man, Half Goat, and Out for Blood": https://bit.ly/33YHyzh (https://bit.ly/33YHyzh) Mark Opsasnick, "The True Story Behind the Exorcist - A Study of the Haunted Boy and Other True-Life Horror Legends from Around the Nation's Capital": https://amzn.to/3bHHS9X (https://amzn.to/3bHHS9X) BONUS TALE: CRYBABY BRIDGE: WTOP, "Ghost roads: Haunted, forgotten bridges of Md., Va.": https://bit.ly/3yrJxKk (https://bit.ly/3yrJxKk) GLENN DALE HOSPITAL: WTOP, "Ghost Tales: Inside Glenn Dale Hospital": https://bit.ly/3fx0x9p (https://bit.ly/3fx0x9p) World Abandoned, "Glenn Dale Hospital – An Abandoned Sanatorium near Washington DC": https://bit.ly/2S6CyG4 (https://bit.ly/2S6CyG4) MOLL DYER, LEGENDARY WITCH: Wikipedia's Moll Dyer article: https://bit.ly/2Rw3RK1 (https://bit.ly/2Rw3RK1) Washington City Paper, "A Witch Cursed a Maryland Town Three Hundred Years Ago": https://bit.ly/2S9yOnc (https://bit.ly/2S9yOnc) The Washington Post, "In Leonardtown, Md., final recognition for a ‘witch' who died 300 years ago": https://wapo.st/2T5Z9mI (https://wapo.st/2T5Z9mI) "SALADS": The New York Times, "BY THE BOOK; The End Is Near. What's for Dinner?" (recipe for Vanna White's cottage cheese salad included!): https://nyti.ms/33XCGKy (https://nyti.ms/33XCGKy) NPR, "Watergate Salad: A Fluffy Green Bite Of Washington, DC's Past": https://n.pr/33Ydsf9 (https://n.pr/33Ydsf9) THE LYON SISTERS: Wikipedia, "Murders of Katherine and Sheila Lyon": https://bit.ly/2T3bpo2 (https://bit.ly/2T3bpo2) WTOP, "Police: Lyon sisters investigation enters new phase": https://bit.ly/3yowPMl (https://bit.ly/3yowPMl) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Listeners, how did you get interested in true crime and mysteries? This week, we're delving into MM's backstory in the Wine Times Cinematic Universe to hear some local lore and true crime from northern Texas (from approximately near things but also near nothing) and what it was like to hear these as a bebe MM. Stories include a local goatman, the Gainesville Killers, and the disappearance and murder of Shebaniah Sarah Dougherty. Get ready to hear the word "panhandle" more than you've ever heard it in your life. It doesn't even resemble a word anymore, it's just sounds. Alaska thinks Texas is adorable. Look out for your local goatman. Join us as we process some middle school trauma and learn about the most strategic time to ask where babies come from. Things Mentioned: Ben Brainard's "The Table" sketch about DC statehood (ft. Texas and Alaska): https://youtu.be/7tpMbE96znE (https://youtu.be/7tpMbE96znE) GOATMAN... GOATMEN?: Buzzfeed Unsolved, "The Demonic Goatman's Bridge" (Alton Bridge near Copper Creek, TX): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZfGlyLQnA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZfGlyLQnA) And That's Why We Drink, "E83: Ghost Goats and Horror-scopes": https://youtu.be/XEZfGlyLQnA (https://youtu.be/XEZfGlyLQnA) University of North Texas Lore, "Goatman": https://dentonlore.fandom.com/wiki/Goatman (https://dentonlore.fandom.com/wiki/Goatman) (NOTE FROM MM: in the picture here he has a goat face but human hands so my 8-year-old self wasn't too far off....?) So... there's another Goat Man in Lake Worth?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Worth_Monster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Worth_Monster) NBC DFW, "Mystery Still Engulfs Lake Worth Monster": https://bit.ly/3blEfq3 (https://bit.ly/3blEfq3) THE GAINESVILLE KILLERS Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, "Gainesville Killers": https://bit.ly/3yaFYbA (https://bit.ly/3yaFYbA) The True Crime Edition, "Senseless Killings by Two Bored Teenagers": https://bit.ly/3fetirh (https://bit.ly/3fetirh) SHEBANIAH SARAH DOUGHERTY Houston Chronicle, "18 years later, friend arrested in cold case death of 20-year-old Texas woman": https://bit.ly/3fcRaLR (https://bit.ly/3fcRaLR) Gainesville Daily Register, "Ax indicted in 18-year-old homicide": https://bit.ly/3eFoNa8 (https://bit.ly/3eFoNa8) Gainesville Daily Register, "Charge dropped in capital murder case": https://bit.ly/33GMiJA (https://bit.ly/33GMiJA) KXII News 12, "Cooke County murder case from 21 years ago dropped against man who was accused": https://bit.ly/3hzCg5t (https://bit.ly/3hzCg5t) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

This week, we're joined by our first real guest (but not listener), Super Husband, who talks about how he knew Ed Chen before the murders, what it was like to find out, what Great Falls was like back in the 90s, and his own takes on the story of the Chen Family Murders. Look at us! Who would've thought? We also talk about Super Husband's SECOND brush with a murderer, which is, frankly, a bananas sentence to type. Also: how many dolphin statues is too many dolphin statues? Things mentioned: Thunder Force: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10121392/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10121392/) The Eastern Motors jingle: https://bit.ly/3nRQPSN (https://bit.ly/3nRQPSN) The Washington Post, "Contractor Admits to Killing AOL Executive": https://wapo.st/3h4yVen (https://wapo.st/3h4yVen) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Hello, listeners... We're taking a break from Beyond Belief for a few weeks (but staying in the 90s) to cover a true crime case that is local to MM's neck of the woods and we have a coincidental connection to: the Chen Family murders in Great Falls, Virginia in August 1995. Ed Chen murdered his mother, father, and brother in their home and went undiscovered until 2002. What exactly do you call a gathering of Chads? Do you still find out new things about old friends that are surprising, like military school or bachelor party destinations? Can we all agree a one year statute of limitations on disposing a body is RIDICULOUS? Tune in next week to hear from our favorite neighborhood papaya hater. Sources mentioned: Investigation Discovery, "Forbidden - Dying for Love": https://bit.ly/3nCNpTR Deadline: Crime with Tamron Hall, "Ghosts of Great Falls": https://bit.ly/3u1k7AQ Washingtonian Magazine, "Love and Murder in Great Falls": https://bit.ly/3eE3rc6 Washington Post, "VA Family Vanishes": https://wapo.st/2R8nQhg Washington Post, "Fairfax Man Admits Killing Parents, Brother": https://wapo.st/2QEQqqK Washington Post, "Killer's Ex-Girlfriend Pleads Guilty": https://wapo.st/3vm0sM2 ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Season 2, Episode 13 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction goes out with a whimper and its leftover stories, but that doesn't mean we don't have a blast covering them and coming full circle with our nostalgia and love of mysteries. (And full circle with something inexplicably going wonky with Katy's audio.) Pro tip: If you're holding a baby, try to hold it like a human. You're not getting out of this episode without an Animal Crossing Corner. Frakes knows how to hold a cat. Is MM's autobiography going to be titled "Creeps and Caskets" or is that our new podcast? Do you trust Marc with a C or Mark with a K? See you next week with a special episode! Things Mentioned: Erin's instagram: @erinsinsidejob PETA, "Black Cats Less Likely to Be Adopted, Studies Show": https://www.peta2.com/news/black-cats/ (https://www.peta2.com/news/black-cats/) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

In this episode we break our record for how long it takes us to intro the podcast, but don't let that scare you. Welcome to Season 2, Episode 12 of Beyond Belief, Fact or Fiction where the theme(?) is a ~touch of evil.~ We're headed to Florida (honestly, they could set a whole season of this show and it would all be fact, amirite), a demon-infested suburban home, a murderous used car lot, a convenience store from HELL with 90s toughs, AND a trip back to ye olden timey skewl days. Please address MM by her full name only, Madam Vice President MM. Would you go on a standalone carousel randomly chillin' in the Everglades? (NO.) If no one sees the flash of your demon eyes, does it even count? HOT TAKE: Billy Madison is the best Adam Sandler movie. BY FAR. Also, we get super meta: THIS EPISODE WAS CURSED. A lost recording, Katy's mic deciding everything needed to be turned up to 11 for no reason, FACT OR FICTION? Things Mentioned: Third Love: http://referrals.thirdlove.com/51yijnt?c (http://referrals.thirdlove.com/51yijnt?c) "We Need to Talk About Anti-Asian Hate": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WUuya94QE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WUuya94QE) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

This episode is purposefully in a shambles, listeners, since Season 2, Episode 11 of Beyond Belief focuses on DISASTERS. Can rings melt together to save you from a fateful voyage? Can someone sense a volcano eruption on the other side of the world in their dreams? Can a director stop these actors from mouthbreathing? Do angels pick a few people to save on a flight instead of the flight itself? Do you trust a random parrot? Let's take a wine shopping journey with MM, shall we? Gotta start that day with a win. Katy did not start a recent weekend with a win, but instead some trash panda voyeurism, and you better believe she's going to share her trauma. Get tips for what to do if a ring gets stuck on your finger (and be careful you aren't getting Final Destination'd). Are cheese cubes your definition of luxury? Things mentioned: Krakatoa, A Volcanic Nightmare: https://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/9912/krakatoa-a-volcanic-nightmare/ (https://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/9912/krakatoa-a-volcanic-nightmare/) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We are obSESSED with the late 90s references and styles on Beyond Belief, listeners, but not the casual late 90s racism. Katy's guessing again for Season 2, Episode 10 this week, where the stories are animal-related and exasperated-sigh-inducing. America is obSESSED with motorcycles, but not Danny's Hog Heaven or random Jay Leno name drops. We keep expanding the Beyond Belief Cinematic Universe. Fact or fiction: there's another Animal Crossing tangent. (Fact.) Just watch Midsommar next time instead. Do a super quick goog. Things Mentioned Folly of the Beast: https://www.winc.com/wines/2019-folly-of-the-beast--pinot-noir-12597 (https://www.winc.com/wines/2019-folly-of-the-beast--pinot-noir-12597) Doug on a Mug: https://store.crooked.com/products/doug-on-a-mug-coffee-mug (https://store.crooked.com/products/doug-on-a-mug-coffee-mug) All Worries Sweatshirt: https://www.bonfire.com/all-worries/ (https://www.bonfire.com/all-worries/) Midsommar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsommar_(film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsommar_(film)) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Y'all ready for this? No, listeners, you are indeed not ready for Episode 21 of the Wine Times Mysteries, where MM is in the hot seat for Season 2, Episode 9 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction. Katy got Animal Crossing and her life is different now. MM always bets on ghosts. Somehow, everyone survives a haunted bucket. (Not a haunted chair, though.) A ghost communicates with flair and drama. Dick Van Patten is also here (HEY ABBOTT). After our game today, stick around for some bestie storytimes about teeth (!), makeup, a Katy-in-college tale, and Buy Nothing fun. Things mentioned: Animal Crossing Vlad: https://animalcrossing.fandom.com/wiki/Vladimir (https://animalcrossing.fandom.com/wiki/Vladimir) Dick Van Patten: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Van_Patten (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Van_Patten) Sound of Metal: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5363618/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5363618/) Insider, "Olivia Newton-John's Ex Reportedly Found After 12 Years": https://www.insider.com/olivia-newton-john-ex-boyfriend-reportedly-found-mexico-2017-11 (https://www.insider.com/olivia-newton-john-ex-boyfriend-reportedly-found-mexico-2017-11) Dr. Wen from Scrubs/Charles Chun: https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/Phillip_Wen (https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/Phillip_Wen) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We continue our coverage of Beyond Belief Season 2 with Episode 8 this week - it's Katy's turn to guess FACT or FICTION on stories as varied as a murderous animatronic gorilla, committing some light B&E for a hot ghost, a sleepwalking cop with an improbable beachfront home, an evil chair, and... people running late. Nothing special, just... ten minutes late. Add creepy animatronics to MM's list of ~things~ (this list also includes teeth and mayo). We accidentally have our first guest this week, since Katy's dad FaceTimed her while we were recording. We're leaving it in - thanks, dad! Things Mentioned: Subtle as Fuck coffee: https://store.dftba.com/products/subtle-as-f-ck-coffee (https://store.dftba.com/products/subtle-as-f-ck-coffee) Mike Falzone: https://www.youtube.com/mikefalzone (https://www.youtube.com/mikefalzone) Honey Beast Chardonnay: https://www.winc.com/wines/2018-honey-beast-chardonnay-12674 (https://www.winc.com/wines/2018-honey-beast-chardonnay-12674) Markiplier's first Five Nights at Freddy's video that Katy showed MM and Superhusband back in the day to scare them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOztnsBPrAA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOztnsBPrAA) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Bonjour, les auditeurs! We're back with another assault on the French language, errr, episode covering Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction. This week it's Season 2, Episode 7, and MM is sorting through the "ambiguity of truth" (okay, show, calm down). Will MM improve her guessing record? One of our tales is full of French accents as performed if they'd only had French described to them loosely from a barely remembered fever dream. HON HON HON! Another suggests you can learn telekinesis from a book, like Matilda, if Matilda were a middle-aged man obsessed with his perfect work record. And another is a "three dogs in a trenchcoat" meme come to life. Things mentioned: Ninja cat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raDk5v10RiE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raDk5v10RiE) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

It's that time of the week again - join us for Season 2, Episode 6 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction plus a bonus live wine selection as Katy picks her delivery for the month. What counts as foul language? Beyond Belief cribs from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Katy was bit by a spider but all it gave her was a hot take: Seinfeld was bad. There is a long tangent about having a friend to look at your gross stuff that we're not sorry for. Apple Cop meets a tragic end. You should always believe a psychic horse. Things Mentioned: Les Bobos: https://www.winc.com/wines/2019-les-bobos-chardonnay-12638 (https://www.winc.com/wines/2019-les-bobos-chardonnay-12638) Erin's Inside Job: https://erinsinsidejob.com/ (https://erinsinsidejob.com/) Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scary_Stories_to_Tell_in_the_Dark#Books (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scary_Stories_to_Tell_in_the_Dark#Books) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

And we're back! Editing Gremlin Katy's brain has rebooted, so we're back with Season 2, Episode 5 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction and MM's back on the hot seat. Play along at home and tell us how you did! Our scores are not intimidating. Katy kills all plants despite her best efforts. We remember Titanic fever. If there's a psychic teenager predicting your doom, maybe don't say "Tch, I'm going to Brad's party ANYWAY." You can be #Hot40 or #AlmostDead40. You don't need to scrapbook your arson. MM is simply knowledgeable about maritime operations. Things Mentioned: How Not to Kill Your Houseplant: https://bit.ly/3bb1Ngi (https://bit.ly/3bb1Ngi) Business Insider, "Years before the Titanic sank, two mysterious books were published that seemed to predict the disaster": https://www.businessinsider.com/titanics-books-predicted-disaster-2018-4 (https://www.businessinsider.com/titanics-books-predicted-disaster-2018-4) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Beyond Belief really half-assed their theme this week, listeners. It's time for some (sort of) Friday the 13th tales! For Season 2, Episode 4 of Beyond Belief, MM tells the stories and Katy does her best to guess if they are fact.... or fiction. Play along and tell us how you do! Are the Beyond Belief writers tangentially responsible for Oscar-winning movie the Wrestler? Is this a prequel to Prison Break? We learn, as always, ovaries before brovaries. Our haunted calculators just keep repeating 80085 80085 80085. These stories are in a shambles. Guess a bonus fact or fiction from MM and enjoy our "makeup to survive a good quarantine cry" recommendations. Things mentioned: Vibes (1988): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096378/ Glossier Lash Slick mascara: https://www.glossier.com/products/lash-slick Colourpop BFF liquid liner: https://colourpop.com/collections/eyeliner?q=bff-liquid-liner ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Do you have ghosts in your blood, listeners? We're back with Season 2, Episode 3 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction, and MM's our guesser again. Play along and tell us how you do! This episode has everything. Demon children, possessed chalkboards, A+ Frakes Phrases (tm), a telltale handprint, an astral projecting Crayola spokeskid, a baby Aldis Hodge sighting... MM's going to blow this cocaine ring wide open. Chocolate chip cookies always come through. Katy's serious about Leverage, though. It's the best. So many recognizable faces this time! Things/people mentioned: John Billingsley from Story 1, The Wall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Billingsley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Billingsley) Michelle Hurd from Story 3, The Getaway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Hurd (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Hurd) Adam Wylie from Story 5: Summer Camp: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943766/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943766/) ALDIS HODGE (WATCH LEVERAGE): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldis_Hodge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldis_Hodge) LEVERAGE REBOOT: http://bit.ly/36j9ory (http://bit.ly/36j9ory) Hero the Dog from Love and Monsters: https://www.looper.com/271750/why-the-dog-in-love-and-monsters-is-more-important-than-you-think-exclusive/ (https://www.looper.com/271750/why-the-dog-in-love-and-monsters-is-more-important-than-you-think-exclusive/) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

We're still buzzing over yesterday's inauguration, listeners. This week, we're talking about Season 2, Episode 2 of Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction, with MM telling the tales and Katy on the hot seat. Looks like the theme is "But they died ten years ago!" MM enjoyed a glass of rose with the help of some magic. Katy has never felt so alive. PA Oliver Queen shares his opinions. WHY ARE MEN.  What on earth does "putting the bite on you" mean?! Things mentioned:  Mocking Spongebob meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mocking-spongebob Hear the word you're reading TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@emilysophie.m/video/6853473321019854085 JNCO jeans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JNCO#/media/File:Jnco175.jpg  PA Oliver Queen: https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/olliequeenthekitten/  ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

It's a new era, listeners! Welcome to our first episode covering Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction - this time we're watching Season 2, Episode 1 because, as you'll hear, we both felt very strongly about starting in the Frakes era. We're in our feelings about the insurrection and coup that happened in DC this week. No jokes here, just... sadness and anger. MM gives you some Frakes and trombone trivia, a Venn diagram with a surprisingly large overlap. Katy speculates on the weird Beyond Belief mansion. MM guesses if these first five stories are fact... or fiction. We're now a game show - tell us how you did! Things Mentioned: Old lady/young lady illusion: https://www.livescience.com/63645-optical-illusion-young-old-woman.html (https://www.livescience.com/63645-optical-illusion-young-old-woman.html) Feelings sweatshirt: https://www.bando.com/collections/tops/products/feelings-sweatshirt (https://www.bando.com/collections/tops/products/feelings-sweatshirt) Jonathan Frakes IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000408/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000408/) Jonathan Frakes Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Frakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Frakes) The Warrens' Occult Museum - permanently closed :(: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-warrens-occult-museum-monroe-connecticut (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-warrens-occult-museum-monroe-connecticut) Maura Mumbles on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mauramumbles/video/6914887491476606213 (https://www.tiktok.com/@mauramumbles/video/6914887491476606213) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

It's 2021, listeners! To celebrate, we got you a... very rough episode about the Unsolved Mysteries reboot episode, "Stolen Kids," covering the 1989 kidnappings of two toddlers in Harlem.  MM names her upcoming memoir. PA Moxie rebels. Katy dodged a bad tattoo. Buy Nothing drama abounds. If there's a dunk on a podcast but the person doesn't hear it... is it a dunk? Google Machining/Links Mentioned Oprah Magazine, "What Happened to Unsolved Mysteries' Christopher Dansby and Shane Walker?": https://www.oprahmag.com/entertainment/a34349532/unsolved-mysteries-shane-walker-christopher-dansby-carlina-white/ Marie Claire, "Christopher Dansby and Shane Walker: What Happened to Them?": https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a34143843/what-happened-christopher-dansby-shane-walker-unsolved-mysteries/ Steve's nature instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hiking.like.its.my.job/  ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Happy New Year's Eve, listeners! This week, we're talking about the Unsolved Mysteries reboot episode, "Lady in the Lake," about the 2010 disappearance and mysterious death of JoAnn Romain. ***Trigger warning: The police believe that JoAnn Romain committed suicide and we discuss their theory (and why her family thinks the theory is total bs). It does not go in depth but does reference the theory that she went into the lake on purpose several times in the episode. Please be advised.*** MM has a Christmas ghost. Katy and MM can't be tan. Katy embraces saying wooder. Call Dr. Jill Biden "doctor," THANK YOU! Throw on your boots, it's time to do some science. We hate gravity-based winter sports (learn how Katy almost became a strange ski mountain cryptid). Links mentioned: Screen Rant, "What Unsolved Mysteries Leaves Out About JoAnn Romain's Family Feud," https://screenrant.com/unsolved-mysteries-joann-romain-family-feud-inheritance-details/ (https://screenrant.com/unsolved-mysteries-joann-romain-family-feud-inheritance-details/) Ew, 2020 ornament https://www.etsy.com/listing/908400409/ew-2020-ornament-david-rose-ornament-ew?ref=shop_review (https://www.etsy.com/listing/908400409/ew-2020-ornament-david-rose-ornament-ew?ref=shop_review) Bedeviled with Meetings Sign: https://www.etsy.com/listing/897465757/made-to-order-schitts-creek-inspired?ref=shop_home_active_21 (https://www.etsy.com/listing/897465757/made-to-order-schitts-creek-inspired?ref=shop_home_active_21) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Hello, listeners! Happy Candlenights, merry Crimbo, and welcome to the ghost episode! MM and Katy cover the Unsolved Mysteries reboot "Tsunami Spirits," about the 2011 tsunami that devastated Ishinomaki and the Tohoku region of Japan and the reports of ghost sightings and spirits that have happened since. MM gets confronted with all her anxiety triggers. Katy only recently learned that most people have fully functional fingers when they wake up. Katy explains what a COVID test feels like. MM tells some personal ghost stories, including Katy's favorite story about Super Husband. Mentioned this episode: The Oatmeal, "Why the Mantis Shrimp is My New Favorite Animal": https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp (https://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp) Flight of the Conchords, "I'm Not Crying": https://youtu.be/-pVT_mvvZLo (https://youtu.be/-pVT_mvvZLo) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Hello listeners! This week, MM and Katy get into episode 3 of the Netflix Unsolved Mysteries reboot's second season, "Death Row Fugitive," about the escape of convicted murderer Lester Eubanks from custody in 1973. Eubanks was in prison for the 1965 murder of Mary Ellen Deener and has evaded capture since his escape. Some ideas are real bad ideas. MM and Katy write an 80's jam and a create a pitch for a new show called Fruit Cop. Don't leave your dryers unattended around Katy, the Florida Man of Laundromats. Find out how we react to a real life Elliot Stabler. Google Machining: Bustle, "There's Already Been An Update In Lester Eubanks' Case From Unsolved Mysteries": https://www.bustle.com/entertainment/lester-eubanks-updates-us-marshals-are-closing-in-on-the-unsolved-mysteries-subject (https://www.bustle.com/entertainment/lester-eubanks-updates-us-marshals-are-closing-in-on-the-unsolved-mysteries-subject) ABC News, "US Marshal 'Mindhunter' activated in search for cold case fugitive Lester Eubanks": https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-marshal-mindhunter-activated-search-cold-case-fugitive/story?id=74233189 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-marshal-mindhunter-activated-search-cold-case-fugitive/story?id=74233189) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

Hello, listeners! This week, MM and Katy are all aboard the spy train as they talk about the Unsolved Mysteries episode "Death in Oslo," about the 1995 death of an unidentified woman found in the Plaza Hotel in Oslo, Norway. ****Trigger warning: one of the theories surrounding this woman is that she died by suicide, and we talk about this theory. From 40:19-43:30 we talk about the specifics of the theory and how investigators think it's debunked, which includes details of how the police assume the suicide happened. Please be advised.**** MM and Katy might have to start an Alias podcast. MM gets another tattoo idea and talks about the difficulty of selecting names for children when your partner is a walking IMDB. You should hire us as security consultants. Katy is not a good liar, apparently. We discuss the surprise-to-no-one results of Katy's 23 and Me test. MM has a tooth thing and thinks Netflix missed out on the soundtrack of an era. Google Machining: Decider, "Jennifer Fairgate ‘Unsolved Mysteries': Top Reddit Theories About Oslo Death": https://decider.com/2020/10/20/jennifer-fairgate-unsolved-mysteries-reddit-theories/ (https://decider.com/2020/10/20/jennifer-fairgate-unsolved-mysteries-reddit-theories/) Screen Rant, "Unsolved Mysteries Updates: Who Is The Oslo Plaza Woman (& What Happened)?": https://screenrant.com/unsolved-mysteries-oslo-plaza-woman-jennifer-updates-who/ (https://screenrant.com/unsolved-mysteries-oslo-plaza-woman-jennifer-updates-who/) ******* Get in touch: Instagram and Twitter | @winetimespod MM | @truecrimewine69 Katy | @katyhoss winetimespod@gmail.com

This week, MM and Katy cover the first episode of the Netflix Unsolved Mysteries reboot's second season, "Washington Insider Murder," about the 2010 murder of former White House aide and veterans rights advocate Jack Wheeler. This episode is powered by vodka and brought to you by trash birds. Katy bought a big girl mic and no longer sounds like she's in a submarine. MM has her second Unsolved tattoo inspiration. Our apologies to George Stephanopoulos. One big unresolved question this episode: where WOULD you put a body you don't want found? This episode is NOT sponsored by: Winc (literally, MMs was lost in... Delaware, though Katy enjoyed a very ~drinkable~ Lost Poet red