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What's it feel like to drop into Corbet's Couloir?Alta locals Tristen Lilly and Piper Kunst know. This year, they took home King and Queen of Corbet's, earning their place on one of skiing's biggest stages.In the Last Chair Season 7 finale, they sit down with Tom Kelly to talk about their paths to big mountain skiing, meeting in a lift line at Alta, and what goes through your head when you're staring into that 20-foot drop.From Piper's first win with no sponsors to Tristen's viral 720 entry, this is the story of two skiers building a life in the Wasatch and pushing what's possible.Listen now.
What's it feel like to drop into Corbet's Couloir?Alta locals Tristen Lilly and Piper Kunst know. This year, they took home King and Queen of Corbet's, earning their place on one of skiing's biggest stages.In the Last Chair Season 7 finale, they sit down with Tom Kelly to talk about their paths to big mountain skiing, meeting in a lift line at Alta, and what goes through your head when you're staring into that 20-foot drop.From Piper's first win with no sponsors to Tristen's viral 720 entry, this is the story of two skiers building a life in the Wasatch and pushing what's possible.Listen now.
Meg WandishinLast Chair guest Meg Wandishin grew up skiing the slopes of Shawnee Peak (now Pleasant Mountain), a Maine ski area that dates back to 1938, and then moved up to Sunday River. Today, she serves as recruiting manager for Deer Valley Resort, where, among her tasks, is overseeing the resort's popular J-1 visa program for international workers. Wandishin's pathway into recruiting came by chance, tending bar in Maine when a customer saw in her the traits of a charismatic recruiter. After a few years in recruitment for tech companies, she decided to take time to work remotely in Utah. Three months later, she decided to stay – connecting with Deer Valley in 2023. Today, she plays a major role in recruiting more than 3,000 seasonal employees for the resort, with an enthusiastic personality and a pride in helping create the Deer Valley Difference.
Meg WandishinLast Chair guest Meg Wandishin grew up skiing the slopes of Shawnee Peak (now Pleasant Mountain), a Maine ski area that dates back to 1938, and then moved up to Sunday River. Today, she serves as recruiting manager for Deer Valley Resort, where, among her tasks, is overseeing the resort's popular J-1 visa program for international workers. Wandishin's pathway into recruiting came by chance, tending bar in Maine when a customer saw in her the traits of a charismatic recruiter. After a few years in recruitment for tech companies, she decided to take time to work remotely in Utah. Three months later, she decided to stay – connecting with Deer Valley in 2023. Today, she plays a major role in recruiting more than 3,000 seasonal employees for the resort, with an enthusiastic personality and a pride in helping create the Deer Valley Difference.
It's about to get hot! and it's still march! Greg and Holly get the lasted on the rising temps from KSL NewsRadio's Adam Small, then head up to the ski resorts to check in on any concerns there with Allison Pallmintere from Ski Utah. Taun Beddes, Horticulturist with USU Extension and Co-Host of the KSL Greenhouse Show joins to share advice on what to do with your trees and gardens as the heat creeps in.
A tear came to Utah photographer Re Wikstrom's eyes as she paged through Backcountry Magazine. There she was, her career splashed over the pages of Heather Hansman's Opening the Lens story, profiling Wikstrom and how she has singlehandedly elevated the image of women in skiing. Wikstrom joined Last Chair from the High West Studio, reminiscing her start in photography, the love of passion to the Rocky Mountains, and the joy that shooting continues to provide her and all those around her.A Connecticut native, as a young girl, she loved making photographs with her mother's Ricoh point-and-shoot camera. Soon, she combined her burgeoning love for photography with that of skiing. And at some point, she joined friends in moving west – first to Jackson Hole. But along the way, a big powder season in Utah and the offer of a futon lured her to the Wasatch, where for two decades she has been photographing the Greatest Snow on Earth.Re Wikstrom personifies happiness – something that rubs off on her subjects. As a photographer, she has a knack for managing light and capturing images. But a big part of that is the personality she exudes and the relationships she develops with her subjects.Hands down, Wikstrom is one of the best photographers shooting in the Wasatch. But her work with women is what has elevated her to a special place in her field. It's her mission!“Part of my personal mission is to put more visuals of women athletes out into the world the way I want to see them portrayed,” she says.In her Last Chair interview, Wikstrom takes us back to her childhood and finding a love for photography. She reminsces on negotiating with her mother, who convinced her to finish school before becoming a ski bum. And she proudly walks us through some of her favorite images.This episode will take you high up into the Cottonwoods, early morning on a powder day, as Re Wikstrom chronicles her life as a ski photographer.
A tear came to Utah photographer Re Wikstrom's eyes as she paged through Backcountry Magazine. There she was, her career splashed over the pages of Heather Hansman's Opening the Lens story, profiling Wikstrom and how she has singlehandedly elevated the image of women in skiing. Wikstrom joined Last Chair from the High West Studio, reminiscing her start in photography, the love of passion to the Rocky Mountains, and the joy that shooting continues to provide her and all those around her.A Connecticut native, as a young girl, she loved making photographs with her mother's Ricoh point-and-shoot camera. Soon, she combined her burgeoning love for photography with that of skiing. And at some point, she joined friends in moving west – first to Jackson Hole. But along the way, a big powder season in Utah and the offer of a futon lured her to the Wasatch, where for two decades she has been photographing the Greatest Snow on Earth.Re Wikstrom personifies happiness – something that rubs off on her subjects. As a photographer, she has a knack for managing light and capturing images. But a big part of that is the personality she exudes and the relationships she develops with her subjects.Hands down, Wikstrom is one of the best photographers shooting in the Wasatch. But her work with women is what has elevated her to a special place in her field. It's her mission!“Part of my personal mission is to put more visuals of women athletes out into the world the way I want to see them portrayed,” she says.In her Last Chair interview, Wikstrom takes us back to her childhood and finding a love for photography. She reminsces on negotiating with her mother, who convinced her to finish school before becoming a ski bum. And she proudly walks us through some of her favorite images.This episode will take you high up into the Cottonwoods, early morning on a powder day, as Re Wikstrom chronicles her life as a ski photographer.
Salt Lake City native Marcus Caston grew up in the Wasatch, developing a passion for ski racing. After a stint as an aspiring alpine ski racer with the Snowbird race team, he found his pathway skiing big mountains around the world, becoming a star of Warren Miller films and beyond. Today, Caston is a professional skier and content creator who promotes appreciation for the art of skiing through his creative expression and athletic performance. On a quest to find the perfect turn, Caston looks for the unique coalescence of light, terrain, and snow. The Return of the Turn series, which he produces and stars in follows him on this journey, finding impeccable turns in every corner of the ski world. Today, you can find Marcus skiing around the Wasatch. His skiing is all about rhythm and flow, and if you're not sure what that looks like, take a few tram laps at Snowbird, and you'll probably find out.
Salt Lake City native Marcus Caston grew up in the Wasatch, developing a passion for ski racing. After a stint as an aspiring alpine ski racer with the Snowbird race team, he found his pathway skiing big mountains around the world, becoming a star of Warren Miller films and beyond. Today, Caston is a professional skier and content creator who promotes appreciation for the art of skiing through his creative expression and athletic performance. On a quest to find the perfect turn, Caston looks for the unique coalescence of light, terrain, and snow. The Return of the Turn series, which he produces and stars in follows him on this journey, finding impeccable turns in every corner of the ski world. Today, you can find Marcus skiing around the Wasatch. His skiing is all about rhythm and flow, and if you're not sure what that looks like, take a few tram laps at Snowbird, and you'll probably find out.
A rising star and the next generation of U.S. Ski Team speed skiers, Lauren Macuga is Park City native who rose through the development pipeline on the NorAm tour and is now among the best downhill and super G racers in the world. Her breakthrough 2024-25 season saw her on the downhill podium in Kvitfjell, Norway, and taking her first World Cup victory in a super G at St. Anton. She is known for her fearless, attacking style, as well as her traditional finish line bucket hat. She is one of four children, with three on national teams.
A rising star and the next generation of U.S. Ski Team speed skiers, Lauren Macuga is Park City native who rose through the development pipeline on the NorAm tour and is now among the best downhill and super G racers in the world. Her breakthrough 2024-25 season saw her on the downhill podium in Kvitfjell, Norway, and taking her first World Cup victory in a super G at St. Anton. She is known for her fearless, attacking style, as well as her traditional finish line bucket hat. She is one of four children, with three on national teams.
Walking through the new Inn at Sundance Mountain Resort feels like stepping into the enduring vision of Robert Redford.In this episode of Last Chair, Ski Utah sits down with Sundance President and General Manager Chad Linebaugh for an intimate conversation at the heart of the Inn. Linebaugh reflects on Redford's legacy, the resort's deep connection to nature, and how the new Inn, along with new lifts and terrain, enhances the Sundance experience while staying true to its roots beneath Mount Timpanogos.A story of place, history, and the canyon that continues to draw people back to Sundance.
Walking through the new Inn at Sundance Mountain Resort feels like stepping into the enduring vision of Robert Redford.In this episode of Last Chair, Ski Utah sits down with Sundance President and General Manager Chad Linebaugh for an intimate conversation at the heart of the Inn. Linebaugh reflects on Redford's legacy, the resort's deep connection to nature, and how the new Inn, along with new lifts and terrain, enhances the Sundance experience while staying true to its roots beneath Mount Timpanogos.A story of place, history, and the canyon that continues to draw people back to Sundance.
EMILY FISHER: BRINGING KIDS TO THE SPORTThe 2002 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games left a legacy of venues across Utah. But they also left a culture that motivates kids to get into sport. Each winter, the Youth Sports Alliance in Park City leads thousands of boys and girls into winter sport. And today, YSA is bringing its expertise to Ski Utah's popular 4th Grade School Program. Last Chair sat down with YSA Executive Director Emily Fisher in the High West Studio to talk about the culture of winter sport in Utah, and how more kids than ever before are finding their way into skiing and snowboarding.Today, nearly a quarter century after the 2002 Games, new generations of Utah youth are finding excitement in winter sport – from speed skating to luge to skiing and snowboarding. Sure, it's the fun and excitement of sport. But it's also about the life lessons that sport teaches.“Really, it's the smiles and seeing how excited they are about skiing, about the culture, about being active in winter sport,” said Fisher. “I think if you're not exposed to it, it is easy to sit inside in the winter and to see these kids so excited to get outside, even when it's snowing, even when it's really cold, they're excited. They want to be part of this program, and their families want them to be part of this program. But just the smiles and the laughter make everything, all the hustle all year, worth it.”YSA's longstanding Get Out & Play program introduces kids to myriad different sports. It's a sampling program to give kids a sense of what they like to do. From there, they can pick a sport and engage in a local club. You never know where it might lead. At the upcoming Milan Cortina Olympics, local Utah athlete Casey Dawson will challenge for a speed skating gold, while Ashley Farquharson is a favorite in luge. This season YSA is taking on a new role, managing Ski Utah's 4th Grade School Program. In its 30 years, the Ski Utah program has introduced over 100,000 Utah kids to skiing and snowboarding.
EMILY FISHER: BRINGING KIDS TO THE SPORTThe 2002 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games left a legacy of venues across Utah. But they also left a culture that motivates kids to get into sport. Each winter, the Youth Sports Alliance in Park City leads thousands of boys and girls into winter sport. And today, YSA is bringing its expertise to Ski Utah's popular 4th Grade School Program. Last Chair sat down with YSA Executive Director Emily Fisher in the High West Studio to talk about the culture of winter sport in Utah, and how more kids than ever before are finding their way into skiing and snowboarding.Today, nearly a quarter century after the 2002 Games, new generations of Utah youth are finding excitement in winter sport – from speed skating to luge to skiing and snowboarding. Sure, it's the fun and excitement of sport. But it's also about the life lessons that sport teaches.“Really, it's the smiles and seeing how excited they are about skiing, about the culture, about being active in winter sport,” said Fisher. “I think if you're not exposed to it, it is easy to sit inside in the winter and to see these kids so excited to get outside, even when it's snowing, even when it's really cold, they're excited. They want to be part of this program, and their families want them to be part of this program. But just the smiles and the laughter make everything, all the hustle all year, worth it.”YSA's longstanding Get Out & Play program introduces kids to myriad different sports. It's a sampling program to give kids a sense of what they like to do. From there, they can pick a sport and engage in a local club. You never know where it might lead. At the upcoming Milan Cortina Olympics, local Utah athlete Casey Dawson will challenge for a speed skating gold, while Ashley Farquharson is a favorite in luge. This season YSA is taking on a new role, managing Ski Utah's 4th Grade School Program. In its 30 years, the Ski Utah program has introduced over 100,000 Utah kids to skiing and snowboarding.
shorten it a bitSkis, speed, and charging horses collide in Skijoring, a winter sport rooted in Scandinavian tradition and reborn in the American West. In this episode, lifelong friends and Utah cowboys Joe Loveridge and Brian Gardner share how they turned their passions for skiing, horses, and ranching into Pro Skijor, a new pro tour spanning Utah, Idaho, and Montana. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library, the conversation dives into Western heritage, big-time energy, and why skijoring has captured crowds across the Mountain West.
shorten it a bitSkis, speed, and charging horses collide in Skijoring, a winter sport rooted in Scandinavian tradition and reborn in the American West. In this episode, lifelong friends and Utah cowboys Joe Loveridge and Brian Gardner share how they turned their passions for skiing, horses, and ranching into Pro Skijor, a new pro tour spanning Utah, Idaho, and Montana. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library, the conversation dives into Western heritage, big-time energy, and why skijoring has captured crowds across the Mountain West.
Greg and Holly get the latest on Utah’s unusually warm holiday season and what it means for travelers, ski resorts, and those hoping for a white Christmas. Meteorologist with the National Weather Service, SLC, Alex Desmet, shares why trees are blooming in December and whether there’s any chance of snow before the big day. Plus, Ski Utah’s Alison Palmintere weighs in on how resorts are adapting and what visitors can do if skiing isn’t an option. With 122 million Americans hitting the road or skies this holiday season, we’ll also check in on travel trends and invite listeners to share their own experiences.
Nearly a quarter century after the 2002 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, Utah's venues are more active than ever and getting kids into sport year-round. At the center of that legacy is Colin Hilton, President and CEO of the Utah Olympic Legacy Foundation.In this episode of Last Chair by Ski Utah, Colin shares how Utah planned for Olympic legacy long before 2002, why its venues are now four times busier than during the Games, and how that vision is shaping the road to the 2034 Winter Games. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library.Listen now. Subscribe for more stories from the people shaping Utah's ski and sport culture.
Nearly a quarter century after the 2002 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, Utah's venues are more active than ever and getting kids into sport year-round. At the center of that legacy is Colin Hilton, President and CEO of the Utah Olympic Legacy Foundation.In this episode of Last Chair by Ski Utah, Colin shares how Utah planned for Olympic legacy long before 2002, why its venues are now four times busier than during the Games, and how that vision is shaping the road to the 2034 Winter Games. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library.Listen now. Subscribe for more stories from the people shaping Utah's ski and sport culture.
Growing up at the mouth of the Cottonwood Canyons, Chase Thomason went from deep powder kid to full-blown weather nerd after Twister hit screens. Now he's a meteorologist at KUTV Channel 2 who still finds time to snowboard powder at Snowbird Ski Resort.In this episode of Last Chair by Ski Utah, Chase explains the science behind the Greatest Snow on Earth including snowflakes, storms and Utah's wild lake effect magic. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library.
Growing up at the mouth of the Cottonwood Canyons, Chase Thomason went from deep powder kid to full-blown weather nerd after Twister hit screens. Now he's a meteorologist at KUTV Channel 2 who still finds time to snowboard powder at Snowbird Ski Resort.In this episode of Last Chair by Ski Utah, Chase explains the science behind the Greatest Snow on Earth including snowflakes, storms and Utah's wild lake effect magic. Recorded at the High West Whiskey Library.
Legendary resort designer Chris Cushing joins Last Chair to share stories from a lifetime spent shaping ski areas around the world, including Deer Valley's new East Village. From learning the craft alongside his father to watching families enjoy the terrain he built, Chris offers a rare look into the art and heart behind designing the mountains we love to ski
Legendary resort designer Chris Cushing joins Last Chair to share stories from a lifetime spent shaping ski areas around the world, including Deer Valley's new East Village. From learning the craft alongside his father to watching families enjoy the terrain he built, Chris offers a rare look into the art and heart behind designing the mountains we love to ski
Celebrate 50 years of Utah skiing with Ski Utah and the Last Chair Podcast presented by High West. Host Tom Kelly sits down with President and CEO Nathan Rafferty and early leader Danny Richardson to share stories about Utah powder, the Interconnect Tour, and what makes skiing in Utah truly legendary.Recorded at the Whiskey Library at High West Distillery in Park City, this episode dives into the evolution of Ski Utah, its 16 world-class resorts, and the people who built the state's ski culture. From Deer Valley to Snowbird, hear why Utah's mountains deliver The Greatest Snow on Earth.
Celebrate 50 years of Utah skiing with Ski Utah and the Last Chair Podcast presented by High West. Host Tom Kelly sits down with President and CEO Nathan Rafferty and early leader Danny Richardson to share stories about Utah powder, the Interconnect Tour, and what makes skiing in Utah truly legendary.Recorded at the Whiskey Library at High West Distillery in Park City, this episode dives into the evolution of Ski Utah, its 16 world-class resorts, and the people who built the state's ski culture. From Deer Valley to Snowbird, hear why Utah's mountains deliver The Greatest Snow on Earth.
If you love skiing, take 30 minutes to listen to this conversation with Marge from family owned, Beaver Mountain. This episode of Last Chair exudes what the lifestyle of skiing is about. It's something you simply don't find in other sports. It's a special place in Utah with some mighty fine skiing and riding, and the most celebrated ticket manager in the state: Marge!
If you love skiing, take 30 minutes to listen to this conversation with Marge from family owned, Beaver Mountain. This episode of Last Chair exudes what the lifestyle of skiing is about. It's something you simply don't find in other sports. It's a special place in Utah with some mighty fine skiing and riding, and the most celebrated ticket manager in the state: Marge!
From their favorite Utah ski runs to their 2002 Olympic memories, Fraser Bullock and Nathan Rafferty provide great insights about Utah's 2034 Winter Olympic Games and everything in between.
From their favorite Utah ski runs to their 2002 Olympic memories, Fraser Bullock and Nathan Rafferty provide great insights about Utah's 2034 Winter Olympic Games and everything in between.
This April, Raelene Davis will celebrate 40 years with the organization. She has served in her current role as Vice President of Marketing and Operations for 10 of those 40 years. Her face lights up with the biggest smiles as she recalls all of Ski Utah's creative marketing campaigns as well as the impressive and innovative engagement programs that she started from the ground up. Most of all, she remembers all of the people she's met along the way.
This April, Raelene Davis will celebrate 40 years with the organization. She has served in her current role as Vice President of Marketing and Operations for 10 of those 40 years. Her face lights up with the biggest smiles as she recalls all of Ski Utah's creative marketing campaigns as well as the impressive and innovative engagement programs that she started from the ground up. Most of all, she remembers all of the people she's met along the way.
This is Derek Miller, Speaking on Business. Ski Utah plays a vital role in supporting Utah's ski and snowboard industry, fostering connections within the community while championing efforts that make winter sports more inclusive and impactful for current and future generations. President and CEO, Nathan Rafferty, joins us with more. Nathan Rafferty: At Ski Utah, we proudly serve as the voice of Utah's renowned ski industry, representing the state's 15 ski and snowboard resorts and promoting The Greatest Snow on Earth®. As a 501(c)6 nonprofit, our efforts center on marketing, membership, community engagement and government relations. This season, we're thrilled to highlight exciting developments, from expanded terrain at Deer Valley and Powder Mountain's significant investment into upgrades to night skiing at Brighton and free lift tickets for kids under 12 at Eagle Point. Sustainability and inclusion remain core to our mission. Programs like Discover Winter, supported by Morgan Stanley and the Larry H. Miller Family Foundation, introduce skiing to ethnically diverse adults, while initiatives like the Ski Utah Passport make winter sports more accessible for kids. As Utah prepares to host the 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, we look forward to showcasing our exceptional resorts and foster a love for winter sports statewide. Derek Miller: Ski Utah's efforts extend far beyond the slopes, fostering community through inclusion programs, sustainability initiatives and support for youth skiing. Check out a resort or learn more about their impact and how to get involved at SkiUtah.com. I'm Derek Miller, with the Salt Lake Chamber, Speaking on Business. Originally aired: 2/18/25
The lifts are spinning now at Deer Valley East Village! The first major destination ski resort to be built in America in over 40 years is taking shape with the opening of the Grand Hyatt Deer Valley. How did this pairing of a Manhattan skyscraper developer and one of America's most renowned resorts come to be? Ski Utah's Last Chair sat down with Extell Development Founder and President Gary Barnett and Deer Valley President and COO Todd Bennett in the brand-new Grand Hyatt Deer Valley to learn more.
The lifts are spinning now at Deer Valley East Village! The first major destination ski resort to be built in America in over 40 years is taking shape with the opening of the Grand Hyatt Deer Valley. How did this pairing of a Manhattan skyscraper developer and one of America's most renowned resorts come to be? Ski Utah's Last Chair sat down with Extell Development Founder and President Gary Barnett and Deer Valley President and COO Todd Bennett in the brand-new Grand Hyatt Deer Valley to learn more.
One Last Road Trippin' segment with Bob & Mark with a couple of our favorite memories AND Nate Rafferty from Ski Utah joins the conversation!
David Miller, director of operations at Ski Utah partner Wasatch Squatters Brewing, has long had a passion for brewing beer. But also for doing it in a sustainable way. The popular Utah brewery, born in the resort town of Park City in 1986, has put innovative practices in place to recycle cans, used grain, water, and more. Last Chair headed to the Wasatch Squatters taproom in Salt Lake City to get insights from Miller and to enjoy a Last One Down lager, a beer brewed in partnership with Ski Utah.Miller grew up in Oklahoma – not exactly ski destination. But his parents were Colorado skiers, so the family often hit small hills in New Mexico with a few trips north to the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. His passion for brewing first played out when he volunteered to help out at Oklahoma's Prairie Artisan Ales. His brewery journey took him to North Carolina and then Dallas. While in Texas, his boss was in Utah, and the lure of the Wasatch – both the brewery and the mountains – brought him to Salt Lake City just a few years ago. He sees the mountains as a great place to raise a family, and his young kids are already ripping around Solitude.But as much as he loves brewing, his real passion is being a steward of the planet on which we live. It's ingrained in Miller's life, from the lessons he teaches his young kids to the practices he puts in place at Wasatch Squatters.“Sustainability does not always come easy – it's not just a flip of a switch,” said Miller. “So if we're able to do something more efficient and more sustainable, even though it may be really hard to do, we're going to take that challenge on.” It's mid-day at the Wasatch Squatter's taproom as guests slide up to the bar for a lunchtime brew. Meanwhile, Miller is diving deeper into the myriad ways Wasatch Squatters is creating ways to innovate its operation to be more sustainable.It's about finding an effective way to recycle cans that are kicked off the bottling line. Or reusing water used to cool hot tanks during the process. Or finding a new home for the tons of grain used during brewing – which makes for some happy cattle on Utah ranches. Wasatch Squatters also substitutes nitrogen for carbon dioxide.“I couldn't imagine being part of an industry that didn't care about this,” said Miller.The conversation often swings back to his kids, who have learned early the importance of loading up the truck with cans to take to recycling. “I have two boys and just instilling sustainability practices in them is really important to my wife and I. And they're already taking note of it – throwing their banana peels in the compost pile.”Those practices carry over to their day-to-day life, including their time on snow up in the Cottonwoods.“Every time I'm on the slopes with my family, I know I have to take care of this place. I pick up that piece of trash or recycle that piece of cardboard. And that carries through our business. And we know we've got a lot of people who get up on the mountain who have the same mindset – which is great.”Beer is a part of the culture of skiing. This episode of Last Chair takes you inside the brewery to learn about how Wasatch Squatters keeps sustainability a key priority. And while the sustainability practices at the brewery are on a high level, Miller easily relates them to things each of us can do ourselves. So grab a Wasatch Last One Down and enjoy this conversation with David Miller.
David Miller, director of operations at Ski Utah partner Wasatch Squatters Brewing, has long had a passion for brewing beer. But also for doing it in a sustainable way. The popular Utah brewery, born in the resort town of Park City in 1986, has put innovative practices in place to recycle cans, used grain, water, and more. Last Chair headed to the Wasatch Squatters taproom in Salt Lake City to get insights from Miller and to enjoy a Last One Down lager, a beer brewed in partnership with Ski Utah.Miller grew up in Oklahoma – not exactly ski destination. But his parents were Colorado skiers, so the family often hit small hills in New Mexico with a few trips north to the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. His passion for brewing first played out when he volunteered to help out at Oklahoma's Prairie Artisan Ales. His brewery journey took him to North Carolina and then Dallas. While in Texas, his boss was in Utah, and the lure of the Wasatch – both the brewery and the mountains – brought him to Salt Lake City just a few years ago. He sees the mountains as a great place to raise a family, and his young kids are already ripping around Solitude.But as much as he loves brewing, his real passion is being a steward of the planet on which we live. It's ingrained in Miller's life, from the lessons he teaches his young kids to the practices he puts in place at Wasatch Squatters.“Sustainability does not always come easy – it's not just a flip of a switch,” said Miller. “So if we're able to do something more efficient and more sustainable, even though it may be really hard to do, we're going to take that challenge on.” It's mid-day at the Wasatch Squatter's taproom as guests slide up to the bar for a lunchtime brew. Meanwhile, Miller is diving deeper into the myriad ways Wasatch Squatters is creating ways to innovate its operation to be more sustainable.It's about finding an effective way to recycle cans that are kicked off the bottling line. Or reusing water used to cool hot tanks during the process. Or finding a new home for the tons of grain used during brewing – which makes for some happy cattle on Utah ranches. Wasatch Squatters also substitutes nitrogen for carbon dioxide.“I couldn't imagine being part of an industry that didn't care about this,” said Miller.The conversation often swings back to his kids, who have learned early the importance of loading up the truck with cans to take to recycling. “I have two boys and just instilling sustainability practices in them is really important to my wife and I. And they're already taking note of it – throwing their banana peels in the compost pile.”Those practices carry over to their day-to-day life, including their time on snow up in the Cottonwoods.“Every time I'm on the slopes with my family, I know I have to take care of this place. I pick up that piece of trash or recycle that piece of cardboard. And that carries through our business. And we know we've got a lot of people who get up on the mountain who have the same mindset – which is great.”Beer is a part of the culture of skiing. This episode of Last Chair takes you inside the brewery to learn about how Wasatch Squatters keeps sustainability a key priority. And while the sustainability practices at the brewery are on a high level, Miller easily relates them to things each of us can do ourselves. So grab a Wasatch Last One Down and enjoy this conversation with David Miller.
This podcast hit paid subscribers' inboxes on Nov. 23. It dropped for free subscribers on Nov. 30. To receive future episodes as soon as they're live, and to support independent ski journalism, please consider an upgrade to a paid subscription. You can also subscribe to the free tier below:What is this?Every autumn, ski associations and most of the large pass coalitions host media events in New York City. They do this because a) NYC is the media capital of the world; b) the city is a lot of fun; and, c) sometimes mountain folks like something different too, just like us city folks (meaning me), like to get to the mountains as much as possible. But I spend all winter traveling the country in search of ski areas of all sizes and varieties. This is the one time of year skiing comes to me. And it's pretty cool.One of the associations that consistently hosts an NYC event is Ski Utah. This year, they set up at the Arlo Soho, a chic Manhattan hotel. Longtime President Nathan Rafferty asked if I would be interested in setting up an interview station, talking to resort reps, and stringing them together into a podcast. It was a terrific idea, so here you go.Who* Nathan Rafferty, President of Ski Utah* Sara Huey, Senior Manager of Communications at Park City Mountain Resort* Sarah Sherman, Communications Manager at Snowbird* Nick Como, VP of Marketing at Sundance* Rosie O'Grady, President and Innkeeper of Alta Lodge* Jessica Turner, PR Manager for Go Heber Valley* Taylor Hartman, Director of Marketing and Communications at Visit Ogden* Brooks Rowe, Brand Manager at Snowbasin* Riley Elliott, Communications Specialist at Deer Valley* Andria Huskinson, Communications and PR Manager at Solitude* Anna Loughridge, PR Manager for Visit Utah* Courtney Ryan, Communications Manager for Visit Park City* Ryan Mack, VP of Communications for Visit Salt LakeRecorded onOctober 3, 2024About Ski UtahMost large ski states have a statewide trade group that represents its ski areas' interests. One of the best of these is Ski Utah, which is armed with a large staff, a generous budget, and some pretty good freaking skiing to promote (Buckskin, Utah Olympic Park, and Wasatch Peaks Ranch are not members of Ski Utah):What we talked aboutSKI UTAHTopicsWhy NYC; the Olympics return to Utah; why the state is such a great place to host the games (besides, you know, the awesome skiing); where we could potentially see future ski area development in Utah; Pow Mow's shift toward public-private hybrid; Deer Valley's expansion and ongoing snowboard ban; and the proposed LCC Gondola – “Little Cottonwood Canyon is not a great place for rubber-wheeled vehicles.”On Utah skier visits and population growth over timeOn chairlifts planned in Utah over the next three yearsUtah is on a chairlift-building binge, with the majority slated for Deer Valley's massive expansion (11) and Powder Mountain (4 this year; 1 in 2025). But Snowbird (Wilbere quad), Park City (Sunrise Gondola), and Snowbasin (Becker high-speed quad) are also scheduled to install new machines this year or next. The private Wasatch Peaks Ranch will also add two lifts (a gondola and a high-speed quad) this year. And Sundance is likely to install what resort officials refer to as the “Flathead lift” some time within the next two years. The best place to track scheduled lift installations is Lift Blog's new lifts databases for 2024, 2025, and 2026.On expansion potential at Brian Head and Nordic ValleyUtah's two largest expansion opportunities are at Brian Head and Nordic Valley, both operated by Mountain Capital Partners. Here's Brian Head today:The masterplan could blow out the borders - the existing ski area is in the lower-right-hand corner:And here's Nordic Valley:And the masterplan, which could supersize the ski area to 3,000-ish acres. The small green blob represents part of the existing ski area, though this plan predates the six-pack installation in 2020:PARK CITY MOUNTAIN RESORTStats: 3,226 vertical feet | 7,300 skiable acres | 355 inches average annual snowfallTopicsSnowmaking upgrades; the forthcoming Sunrise Gondola on the Canyons side; why this gondola didn't face the opposition that Park City's last lift upgrades did; Olympic buzz in Park City; and which events PCMR could host in the 2034 Olympics.On the Great Lift Shutdown of 2022Long story short: Vail tried to upgrade two lifts in Park City a couple of years ago. Locals got mad. The lifts went to Whistler. Here's the longer version:More Park City Mountain ResortSNOWBIRDStats: 3,240 vertical feet | 2,500 skiable acres | 500 inches average annual snowfallTopicsThe new Wilbere lift; why Snowbird shifted the chairlift line; the upside of abandoning the old liftline; riding on top of the new tram; and more LCC gondola talk.On the new Wilbere lift alignmentHere's where the new Wilbere lift sits (right) in comparison to the old lift (left):On inter-lodgeIf you happen to be at the top of Little Cottonwood Canyon when avalanche danger spikes, you may be subject to something called “inter-lodge.” Which means you stay in whatever building you're in, with no option to leave. It's scary and thrilling all at once.Inter-lodge can last anywhere from under an hour to several days.On the LCC gondola and phase-in planAnother long story short: UDOT wants to build a gondola up Little Cottonwood Canyon. A lot of people would prefer to spend four hours driving seven miles to the ski areas. Here's a summary of UDOT's chosen configuration:As multiple lawsuits seeking to shut the project down work through the courts, UDOT has outlined a phased traffic-mitigation approach:More SnowbirdSUNDANCE Stats: 2,150 vertical feet | 450 skiable acres | 300 inches average annual snowfallTopicsThe importance of NYC to the wider skiing world; how the Wildwood terrain helped evolve Sundance; Epkon refugees headed south; parking improvements; options for the coming Flathead terrain expansion; and potential lift switcheroos. More SundanceSundance's new owners have been rapidly modernizing this once-dusty ski area, replacing most of the lifts, expanding terrain, and adding parking. I talked through the grand arc of these changes with the mountain's GM, Chad Linebaugh, a couple of years ago:ALTA LODGEAlta stats: 3,240 vertical feet | 2,500 skiable acres | 500 inches average annual snowfallTopics65 years of Levitt family ownership; Alta's five lodges; inter-lodge; how Alta has kept its old-school spirit even as it's modernized; and an upcoming women's ski event. On Alta's lift evolutionIt wasn't so long ago that Alta was known for its pokey lift fleet. As recently as the late ‘90s, the mountain was a chutes-and-ladders powder playground:Bit by bit, Alta consolidated and updated its antique lift fleet, beginning with the Sugarloaf high-speed quad in 2001. The two-stage Collins high-speed quad arrived three years later, replacing the legacy Collins double and Germania triple lines. The Supreme high-speed quad similarly displaced the old Supreme triple and Cecret double in 2017, and the Sunnyside sixer replaced the Albion double and Sunnyside high-speed triple in 2022. As of 2024, the only clunker left, aside from the short hotel lifts and the long transfer tow, is the Wildcat double.GO HEBER VALLEYTopicsWhy Heber Valley makes sense as a place to crash on a ski trip; walkable sections of Heber; ease of access to Deer Valley; and elevation.VISIT OGDENConsidering “untamed and untouched” Ogden as ski town; “it's like skiing in 2005”; Pow Mow, Snowbasin; accessing the mountains from Ogden; Pow Mow's partial privatization; art on the mountain; and Nordic Valley as locals' bump. On Powder Mountain size claimsPow Mow has long claimed 8,000-ish acres of terrain, which would make it the largest ski area in the United States. I typically only count lift-served skiable acreage, however, bringing the mountain down to a more average-for-the-Wasatch 3,000-ish acres. A new lift in Wolf Canyon next year will add another 900 lift-served acres (shaded with stripes on the right-hand side below).On Nordic Valley's fire and the broken Apollo liftLast December, Nordic Valley's Apollo chairlift, a 1970 Hall double, fell over dead, isolating the mountain's glorious expansion from the base area. The next month, a fire chewed up the baselodge, a historic haybarn left over from the property's ranching days. Owner MCP renovated the chairlift over the summer, but Nordic will operate out of “temporary structures,” GM Pascal Begin told KSL.com in June, until they can build a new baselodge, which could be 2026 or '27.SNOWBASINStats: 3,015 vertical feet | 3,000 skiable acres | 300 inches average annual snowfallTopicsBreaking down the coming Becker lift upgrade; why Becker before Porcupine; last year's DeMoisy six-pack installation; where is everyone?; where to ski at Snowbasin; the 2034 Olympics plan; when will on-mountain lodging arrive?; and RFID.More SnowbasinDEER VALLEYStats: 3,040 vertical feet | 2,342 skiable acres | 300 inches average annual snowfallTopicsMassive expansion; avoiding Park City; and snowmaking in the Wasatch Back.On Expanded ExcellenceDeer Valley's expansion plans are insane. Here's a summary:More Deer ValleySOLITUDEStats: 2,030 vertical feet | 1,200 skiable acres | 500 inches average annual snowfallTopicsAlterra; Big versus Little Cottonwood Canyons; and Alta.More SolitudeVISIT UTAHTopicsWatching the state's population explode; the Olympics; comparing 2002 to 2034; RIP three percent beer; potential infrastructure upgrades to prepare for the Olympics; and SLC airport upgrades.VISIT PARK CITYTopicsPark City 101; Main Street; the National Ability Center; mining history everywhere; Deer Valley's trail names; Silver to Slopes at Park City; Deer Valley's East Village; public transit evolution; Park City Mountain Resort lift drama; paid parking; and why “you don't need a car” in Park City.On Silver to SlopesThe twice-daily guided ski tour of on-mountain mining relics that we discuss on the podcast is free. Details here.On Park City and Deer Valley's shared borderPark City Mountain Resort and Deer Valley share a border, but you are forbidden to cross it, on penalty of death.* Alta and Snowbird share a crossable border, as do Solitude and Brighton. All four have different operators. I'm not sure why PCMR and Deer Valley can't figure this one out.*This is not true.^^Though actually it might be true.VISIT SALT LAKETopicsThe easiest ski access in the world; why stay in SLC during a ski trip; walkable downtown; free transit; accessing the ski areas without a car; Olympic buzz; and Olympic events outside of the ski areas.What I got wrong* I said that former mayor Michael Bloomberg tried to bring the Olympics to NYC “around 2005 or 2006.” The city's bid was for the 2012 Summer Olympics (ultimately held in London). I also said that local opposition shut down the bid, but I confused that with the proposed stadium on what is now Manhattan's Hudson Yards development.* I said you had to drive through Park City to access Deer Valley, but the ski area has long maintained a small parking lot at the base of the Jordanelle Gondola off of US 40.The robots aren't readyEveryone keeps telling me that the robots will eat our souls, but every time I try to use them, they botch something that no human would ever miss. In this case, I tried using my editing program's AI to chop out the dead space and “ums,” and proceeded to lose bits of the conversation that in some cases confuse the narrative. So it sounds a little choppy in places. You can blame the robots. Or me for not re-doing the edit once I figured out what was happening.The Storm explores the world of lift-served skiing year-round. Join us.The Storm publishes year-round, and guarantees 100 articles per year. 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In this episode of Trip Tales, host Kelsey Graves dives into everything you need to know about planning the perfect family ski trip to Park City, Utah. Growing up skiing every winter thanks to her family's timeshare, Kelsey shares her insider tips and personal experiences from over a dozen trips to this iconic ski destination.Discover why her family always chooses The Canyons side of Park City Mountain Resort and why she believes Utah's ski scene outshines Colorado's. From the best spots for ski rentals and dining, to her favorite non-ski activities that make Park City perfect for families, Kelsey covers it all. Mentioned in this episode:The Canyons side of Park City Mountain ResortKelsey's Park City, UT Ski Trip Travel Guide Substack ArticleKelsey's Must-Have Ski Trip Items from AmazonCanyons Base hotels: Westgate, Grand Summit, Hyatt CentricOther Park City area ski resorts: Deer Valley, Alta, SnowbirdStein Erickson Lodge at Deer ValleyMain Street in Downtown Park CityVacation Rentals through: VRBO, Vacasa, Park City Rental PropertiesAloha Ski Rental or Utah Ski & GolfSki School at The Canyons4th, 5th, & 6th graders ski CHEAP through Ski Utah (used to be free, now it's at a low rate)Favorite on mountain eateries: Could Dine, Lookout CabinWoodward Snow TubingAll Seasons Adventures Dog SleddingSnowed Inn Sleigh Co. - a favorite!!!Low Spark FondueMust have ski gear: BSUPPORT: Buy me a coffee to show your support for the Trip Tales podcast! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kelseygravesFOLLOW: Kelsey on Instagram & TikTokSHOP: Kelsey's Travel Favorites from her Amazon storefront.SHARE: About your trip on the Trip Tales podcast: triptalespodcast@gmail.comPARTNER DISCOUNT CODESRVshare - Use code TRIPTALES for $30 OFF a booking of $500+ through the end of the year (2024).SPANX.COM - Use code KGRAVESXSPANX for 15% OFF full-price items and FREE SHIPPING. My current fav travel outfit is the Air Essentials Jumpsuit. CHASE SAPPHIRE CREDIT CARD - My preferred points earning credit card and a great card for newbies entering the points & miles space to get started. Open a Chase Sapphire Preferred with my link and earn 60,000 BONUS POINTS after you spend $4,000 in the first three months your ac...
When Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth left med school for his first job at the University of Utah in 2001, he already had a vision in mind. A skier himself, he wanted to bring that wind-in-your-face sensation of the sport to those who didn't have the same personal mobility. Fast forward to today, Dr. Rosenbluth's pioneering initiative has led to TetraSki – a device that combines medical science with engineering to create remarkable opportunities for individuals with physical disabilities.In this episode of Last Chair, we head to the Mobility Garage of the University of Utah's Craig H. Neilsen Rehabilitation Hospital, speaking with Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth, along with program director of TRAILS Adaptive Tanja Kari, a six-time Paralympic champion cross country skier who was one of the heroes of the 2002 Paralympic Winter Games in Utah.TetraSki is truly a revolutionary mobility tool in sport. It features a customized chair attached to a pair of Rossignol skis. The engineering brains of TetraSki allow the operator to control the skis through a simple joystick. And if the skier doesn't have the body functionality to manipulate the joystick, there's a breathing tube – blow in or suck out, and the skis respond. A new innovation can also be attached to a functioning muscle, where muscular reflects are converted into ski movement.Yes, this is real! And there are now around two dozen TetraSkis around the world, providing mobility opportunities to those who might never have conceived that they might ski.Growing up in Los Angeles, Rosenbluth would always look for opportunities to get up to Utah for skiing. Wanting to spend his career in spinal cord injury medicine, when he saw a job opportunity in Salt Lake City he jumped at it.“After the first couple of years of getting settled here, it was obvious that we had this really tight, enthusiastic campus – people with engineering backgrounds and clinical backgrounds, other scientific backgrounds, and then the access to the outdoors is just unprecedented,” he recalled. “I don't think there's another academic center that has this. So there was just an obviousness to where we were heading and getting people excited about building new devices and getting out there and trying new programs – that was an easy sell.”Early in his tenure, he created TRAILS Adaptive – an acronym combining technology, recreation, access, independence, lifestyle, sports. TRAILS provided the first pathway to provide wellness programs and real opportunities for individuals. Kari was a young Finnish cross country skier when she visited Utah for the first time at the 2002 Winter Games. What stood out to her was that the same organizing committee managed both the Olympics and Paralympics – the first time ever! “We felt the difference in the Games for that,” she said, “in the level of expertise and perfectionism. It was just unbelievable for us.” Three years later, she found her way back and has now made Utah her home.She found a home at TRAILS Adaptive for very similar reasons. “As a Paralympian and being involved in this world for a long time in different roles, the fact that we have this mentality and space in the rehabilitation hospital – being able to meet those patients right when they're here with us and sharing the methods of active living – is really important to me.”It's easy to geek out at the engineering in TetraSki today. However, the brilliance behind it goes back 20 years as Dr. Rosenbluth began mapping out the vision he brought from med school. “It was just this recognition that you couldn't just open up shop with just sports,” he said. “You had to really think about advocacy. You had to think about sports deeper than just participation – how could you be as independent at that sport as possible? And what if you didn't have transportation? You'd never be able to come and do the sport.“I thought at first we were really more of a think tank, going through all the different ways we could take folks, especially with more complex disabilities, and get them to participate more frequently to create life sports for some of our complex patients – and then do it at the highest level of independence and performance.”Ski Utah's Last Chair podcast with Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth and Tanja Kari takes you inside one of the most innovative labs in the sport. It's a fascinating – and emotional – journey showcasing the work being done at the University of Utah to provide the gift of skiing to those who can't click into their bindings the same way that we do.
When Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth left med school for his first job at the University of Utah in 2001, he already had a vision in mind. A skier himself, he wanted to bring that wind-in-your-face sensation of the sport to those who didn't have the same personal mobility. Fast forward to today, Dr. Rosenbluth's pioneering initiative has led to TetraSki – a device that combines medical science with engineering to create remarkable opportunities for individuals with physical disabilities.In this episode of Last Chair, we head to the Mobility Garage of the University of Utah's Craig H. Neilsen Rehabilitation Hospital, speaking with Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth, along with program director of TRAILS Adaptive Tanja Kari, a six-time Paralympic champion cross country skier who was one of the heroes of the 2002 Paralympic Winter Games in Utah.TetraSki is truly a revolutionary mobility tool in sport. It features a customized chair attached to a pair of Rossignol skis. The engineering brains of TetraSki allow the operator to control the skis through a simple joystick. And if the skier doesn't have the body functionality to manipulate the joystick, there's a breathing tube – blow in or suck out, and the skis respond. A new innovation can also be attached to a functioning muscle, where muscular reflects are converted into ski movement.Yes, this is real! And there are now around two dozen TetraSkis around the world, providing mobility opportunities to those who might never have conceived that they might ski.Growing up in Los Angeles, Rosenbluth would always look for opportunities to get up to Utah for skiing. Wanting to spend his career in spinal cord injury medicine, when he saw a job opportunity in Salt Lake City he jumped at it.“After the first couple of years of getting settled here, it was obvious that we had this really tight, enthusiastic campus – people with engineering backgrounds and clinical backgrounds, other scientific backgrounds, and then the access to the outdoors is just unprecedented,” he recalled. “I don't think there's another academic center that has this. So there was just an obviousness to where we were heading and getting people excited about building new devices and getting out there and trying new programs – that was an easy sell.”Early in his tenure, he created TRAILS Adaptive – an acronym combining technology, recreation, access, independence, lifestyle, sports. TRAILS provided the first pathway to provide wellness programs and real opportunities for individuals. Kari was a young Finnish cross country skier when she visited Utah for the first time at the 2002 Winter Games. What stood out to her was that the same organizing committee managed both the Olympics and Paralympics – the first time ever! “We felt the difference in the Games for that,” she said, “in the level of expertise and perfectionism. It was just unbelievable for us.” Three years later, she found her way back and has now made Utah her home.She found a home at TRAILS Adaptive for very similar reasons. “As a Paralympian and being involved in this world for a long time in different roles, the fact that we have this mentality and space in the rehabilitation hospital – being able to meet those patients right when they're here with us and sharing the methods of active living – is really important to me.”It's easy to geek out at the engineering in TetraSki today. However, the brilliance behind it goes back 20 years as Dr. Rosenbluth began mapping out the vision he brought from med school. “It was just this recognition that you couldn't just open up shop with just sports,” he said. “You had to really think about advocacy. You had to think about sports deeper than just participation – how could you be as independent at that sport as possible? And what if you didn't have transportation? You'd never be able to come and do the sport.“I thought at first we were really more of a think tank, going through all the different ways we could take folks, especially with more complex disabilities, and get them to participate more frequently to create life sports for some of our complex patients – and then do it at the highest level of independence and performance.”Ski Utah's Last Chair podcast with Dr. Jeffrey Rosenbluth and Tanja Kari takes you inside one of the most innovative labs in the sport. It's a fascinating – and emotional – journey showcasing the work being done at the University of Utah to provide the gift of skiing to those who can't click into their bindings the same way that we do.
JB discusses the "Greatest Snow on Earth". Skiing, snow boarding, snow shoeing, cross country skiing, snowmobiling and tubing adventures all across the state of Utah. If you're a fan of Utah and winter sports, this is the episode for you.
With Brian Head resort planning to get lifts running soon, Alison joins the show to take a look at some of the improvements and expectations for Utah's resorts while we wait for more of the Greatest Snow on Earth!
Bill Rock is at home on the mountain. He skis. He snowboards. He remembers that first day his kids passed him on a ski run. He counts his blessings for being able to spend his life on ski mountains around the country – around the world! Today, as president of the mountain division of Vail Resorts, he is one of the most influential leaders in our sport. In his conversation with Ski Utah's Last Chair podcast, he talks about the evolution of his career and the pride he takes in his company's innovations to improve the guest experience.
Bill Rock is at home on the mountain. He skis. He snowboards. He remembers that first day his kids passed him on a ski run. He counts his blessings for being able to spend his life on ski mountains around the country – around the world! Today, as president of the mountain division of Vail Resorts, he is one of the most influential leaders in our sport. In his conversation with Ski Utah's Last Chair podcast, he talks about the evolution of his career and the pride he takes in his company's innovations to improve the guest experience.
This podcast hit paid subscribers' inboxes on Sept. 15. It dropped for free subscribers on Sept. 22. To receive future pods as soon as they're live, and to support independent ski journalism, please consider an upgrade to a paid subscription. You can also subscribe to the free tier below:WhoKelly Pawlak, President & CEO of the National Ski Areas Association (NSAA)Recorded onAugust 19, 2024About the NSAAFrom the association's website:The National Ski Areas Association is the trade association for ski area owners and operators. It represents over 300 alpine resorts that account for more than 90% of the skier/snowboarder visits nationwide. Additionally, it has several hundred supplier members that provide equipment, goods and services to the mountain resort industry.NSAA analyzes and distributes ski industry statistics; produces annual conferences and tradeshows; produces a bimonthly industry publication and is active in state and federal government affairs. The association also provides educational programs and employee training materials on industry issues including OSHA, ADA and NEPA regulations and compliance; environmental laws and regulations; state regulatory requirements; aerial tramway safety; and resort operations and guest service.NSAA was established in 1962 and was originally headquartered in New York, NY. In 1989 NSAA merged with SIA (Snowsports Industries America) and moved to McLean, Va. The merger was dissolved in 1992 and NSAA was relocated to Lakewood, Colo., because of its central geographic location. NSAA is located in the same office building as the Professional Ski Instructors of America and the National Ski Patrol in Lakewood, Colo., a suburb west of Denver.Why I interviewed herA pervasive sub-narrative in American skiing's ongoing consolidation is that it's tough to be alone. A bad winter at a place like Magic Mountain, Vermont or Caberfae Peaks, Michigan or Bluewood, Washington means less money, because a big winter at Partner Mountain X across the country isn't available to keep the bank accounts stable. Same thing if your hill gets chewed up by a tornado or a wildfire or a flood. Operators have to just hope insurance covers it.This story is not entirely incorrect. It's just incomplete. It is harder to be independent, whether you're Jackson Hole or Bolton Valley or Mount Ski Gull, Minnesota. But few, if any, ski areas are entirely and truly alone, fighting on the mountaintop for survival. Financially, yes (though many independent ski areas are owned by families or individuals who operate one or more additional businesses, which can and sometimes do subsidize ski areas in lean or rebuilding years). But in the realm of ideas, ski areas have a lot of help.That's because, layered over the vast network of 500-ish U.S. mountains is a web of state and national associations that help sort through regulations, provide ideas, and connect ski areas to one another. Not every state with ski areas has one. Nevada's handful of ski areas, for example, are part of Ski California. New Jersey's can join Ski Areas of New York, which often joins forces with Ski Pennsylvania. Ski Idaho counts Grand Targhee, Wyoming, as a member. Some of these associations (Ski Utah), enjoy generous budgets and large staffs. Others (Ski New Hampshire), accomplish a remarkable amount with just a handful of people. But layered over them all – in reach but not necessarily hierarchy – is the National Ski Areas Association. The NSAA helps ski areas where state associations may lack the scale, resources, or expertise. The NSAA organized the united, nationwide approach to Covid-era operations ahead of the 2020-21 ski season; developed and maintained the omnipresent Skier Responsibility Code; and help ski areas do everything from safely operate chairlifts and terrain parks to fend off climate change. Their regional and national shows are energetic, busy, and productive. Top representatives – the sorts of leaders who appear on this podcast - from every major national or regional ski area are typically present.This support layer, mostly invisible to consumers, is in some ways the concrete holding the nation's ski areas together. Most of even the most staunchly independent operators are members. If U.S. skiing were really made up of 500 ski areas trying to figure out snowmaking in 500 different ways, then we wouldn't have 500 ski areas. They need each other more than you might think. And the NSAA helps pull them all together.What we talked aboutLow natural snow, strong skier visits – the paradox of the 2023-24 ski season; ever-better snowmaking; explaining the ski industry's huge capital investments over recent years; European versus American lift fleets; lift investments across America; when it's time to move on from your dream job; 2017 sounds like yesterday but it may as well have been 1,000 years ago; the disappearing climate-change denier; can ski areas adapt to climate change?; the biggest challenges facing the NSAA's next leader, and what qualities that leader will need to deal with them; should ski areas be required to report injuries?; operators who are making progress on safety; are ski area liability waivers in danger?; the wild cost of liability insurance; how drones could help ski area safety; why is skiing still so white, even after all the DE&I?; why youth skier participation as a percentage of overall skier visits has been declining; and the enormous potential for indoor skiing to grow U.S. participation.Why I thought that now was a good time for this interviewFirst, Pawlak announced, in May, that she would step down from her NSAA role whenever the board could identify a capable replacement. She explains why on the podcast, but hers has been a by-all-accounts successful seven-year run amidst and through rapid and irreversible industry change – Covid, consolidation, multi-mountain passes, climate change, skyrocketing costs, the digitization of everything – and it was worth pausing to reflect on all that the NSAA had accomplished and all of the challenges waiting ahead.Second, our doomsday instincts keep running up against this stat: despite a fairly poor winter, snow-wise, the U.S. ski industry racked up the fifth-most skier visits of all time during its 2023-24 campaign. How is that possible, and what does it mean? I've explored this a little myself, but Pawlak has access to data that I don't, and she adds an extra dimension to our analysis.And this is true of so many of the topics that I regularly cover in this newsletter: capital investment, regulation, affordability, safety, diversity. This overlap is not surprising, given my stated focus on lift-served skiing in North America. Most of my podcasts bore deeply into the operations of a single mountain, then zoom out to center those ski areas within the broader ski universe. When I talk with the NSAA, I can do the opposite – analyze the larger forces driving the evolution of lift-served skiing, and see how the collective is approaching them. It's a point of view that very few possess, and even fewer are able to articulate. Questions I wish I'd askedWe recorded this conversation before POWDR announced that it had sold Killington and Pico, and would look to sell Bachelor, Eldora, and Silver Star in the coming months. I would have loved to have gotten Pawlak's take on what was a surprise twist in skiing's long-running consolidation.I didn't ask Pawlak about the Justice Department's investigation into Alterra's proposed acquisition of Arapahoe Basin. I wish I would have.What I got wrongI said that Hugh Reynolds was “Big Snow's head of marketing.” His actual role is Chief Marketing Officer for all of Snow Partners, which operates the indoor Big Snow ski area, the outdoor Mountain Creek ski area, and a bunch of other stuff.Podcast NotesOn specific figures from the Kotke Report:Pretty much all of the industry statistics that I cite in this interview come from the Kotke Demographic Report, an annual end-of-season survey that aggregates anonymized data from hundreds of U.S. ski areas. Any numbers that I reference in this conversation either refer to the 2022-23 study, or include historical data up to that year. I did not have access to the 2023-24 report until after our conversation.Capital expendituresPer the 2023-24 Kotke Report:Definitions of ski resort sizesAlso from Kotke:On European lift fleets versus AmericanComparing European skiing to American skiing is a bit like comparing futbol to American football – two different things entirely. Europe is home to at least five times as many ski areas as North America and about six times as many skiers. There are ski areas there that make Whistler look like Wilmot Mountain. The food is not only edible, but does not cost four times your annual salary. Lift tickets are a lot cheaper, in general. But it snows more, and more consistently, in North America; our liftlines are more organized; and you don't need a guide here to ski five feet off piste. Both are great and annoying in their own way. But our focus of difference-ness in this podcast was between the lift fleets on each continent. In brief, you're far more likely to stumble across a beefcaker on a random Austrian trail than you are here in U.S. America. Take a look at skiresort.info's (not entirely accurate but close enough), inventory of eight-place chairlifts around the world:On “Waterville with the MND lift”Pawlak was referring to Waterville Valley's Tecumseh Express, built in 2022 by France-based MND. It was the first and only lift that the manufacturer built in the United States prior to the dissolution of a joint venture with Bartholet. While MND may be sidelined, Pawlak's point remains valid: there is room in the North American market for manufacturers other than Leitner-Poma and Doppelmayr, especially as lift prices continue to escalate at amazing rates.On my crankiness with “the mainstream media” and climate changeI kind of hate the term “mainstream media,” particularly when it's used as a de facto four-letter word to describe some Power Hive of brainwashing elitists conspiring to cover up the government's injection of Anthrax into our Honey Combs. I regret using the term in our conversation, but sometimes in the on-the-mic flow of an interview I default to stupid. Anyway, once or twice per year I get particularly bent about some non-ski publication framing lift-served skiing as an already-doomed industry because the climate is changing. I'm not some denier kook who's stockpiling dogfood for the crocodile apocalypse, but I find this narrative stupid because it's reductive and false. The real story is this: as the climate changes, the ski industry is adapting in amazing and inventive ways; ski areas are, as I often say, Climate Change Super Adapters. You can read an example that I wrote here.On the NSAA's Covid responseThere's no reason to belabor the NSAA's Covid response – which was comprehensive and excellent, and is probably the reason the 2020-21 American ski season happened – here. I already broke the whole thing down with Pawlak back in April 2021. She also joined me – somewhat remarkably, given the then-small reach of the podcast – at the height of Covid confusion in April 2020 to talk through what in the world could possibly happen next.On The Colorado Sun's reporting on ski area safety and the NSAA's safety reportThe Colorado Sun consistently reports on ski area safety, and the ski industry's resistance to laws that would compel them to make injury reports public. I asked Pawlak about this, citing, specifically, this Sun article From April 8, 2024:[13-year-old] Silas [Luckett] is one of thousands of people injured on Colorado ski slopes every winter. With the state's ski hills posting record visitation in the past two seasons — reaching 14.8 million in 2022-23 — it would appear that the increasing frequency of injuries coincides with the rising number of visits. We say “appear” because, unlike just about every other industry in the country, the resort industry does not disclose injury data. …Ski resorts do not release injury reports. The ski resort industry keeps a tight grasp on even national injury data. Since 1980, the National Ski Areas Association provides select researchers with injury data for peer-reviewed reports issued every 10 years by the National Ski Areas Association. The most recent 10-year review of ski injuries was published in 2014, looking at 13,145 injury reports from the 2010-11 ski season at resorts that reported 4.6 million visits.The four 10-year reports showed a decline in skier injuries from 3.1 per 1,000 visitors in 1980-81 to 2.7 in 1990-91 to 2.6 in 2000-01 to 2.5 in 2010-11. Snowboarder injuries were 3.3 in 1990, 7.0 in 2000 and 6.1 in 2010.For 1990-91, the nation's ski areas reported 46.7 million skier visits, 2000-01 was 57.3 million and 2010-11 saw a then all–time high of 60.5 million visits. …The NSAA's once-a-decade review of injuries from 2020-21 was delayed during the pandemic and is expected to land later this year. But the association's reports are not available to the public [Pawlak disputes this, and provided a copy of the report to The Storm – you can view it here].When Colorado state Sen. Jessie Danielson crafted a bill in 2021 that would have required ski areas to publish annual injury statistics, the industry blasted the plan, arguing it would be an administrative burden and confuse the skiing public. It died in committee.“When we approached the ski areas to work on any of the details in the bill, they refused,” Danielson, a Wheat Ridge Democrat, told The Sun in 2021. “It makes me wonder what it is that they are hiding. It seems to me that an industry that claims to have safety as a top priority would be interested in sharing the information about injuries on their mountains.”The resort industry vehemently rebuffs the notion that ski areas do not take safety seriously.Patricia Campbell, the then-president of Vail Resorts' 37-resort mountain division and a 35-year veteran of the resort industry, told Colorado lawmakers considering the 2021 legislation that requiring ski resorts to publish safety reports was “not workable” and would create an “unnecessary burden, confusion and distraction.”Requiring resorts to publish public safety plans, she said, would “trigger a massive administrative effort” that could redirect resort work from other safety measures.“Publishing safety plans will not inform skiers about our work or create a safer ski area,” Campbell told the Colorado Senate's Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee in April 2021.On ASTM International Pawlak refers to “ASTM International” in the podcast. That is an acronym for “American Society for Testing and Materials,” an organization that sets standards for various industries. Here's an overview video that most of you will find fairly boring (I do, however, find it fascinating that these essentially invisible boards operate in the background to introduce some consistency into our highly confusing industrialized world):On Mammoth and Deer Valley's “everyone gets 15 feet” campaignThere's a cool video of this on Deer Valley's Instapost that won't embed on this page for some reason. Since Alterra owns both resorts, I will assume Mammoth's campaign is similar.On Heavenly's collision prevention programMore on this program, from NSAA's Safety Awards website:Heavenly orchestrated a complex collision prevention strategy to address a very specific situation and need arising from instances of skier density in certain areas. The ski area's unique approach leveraged detailed incident data and distinct geographic features, guest dynamics and weather patterns to identify and mitigate high-risk areas effectively. Among its efforts to redirect people in a congested area, Heavenly reintroduced the Lakeview Terrain Park, added a rest area and groomed a section through the trees to attract guests to an underutilized run. Most impressively, these innovative interventions resulted in a 52% year-over-year reduction of person-on-person collisions. Judges also appreciated that the team successfully incorporated creative thinking from a specialist-level employee. For its effective solutions to reduce collision risk through thoughtful terrain management, NSAA awarded Heavenly Mountain Resort with the win for Best Collision Prevention Program.On the Crested Butte accidentPawlak and I discuss a 2022 accident at Crested Butte that could end up having lasting consequences on the ski industry. Per The Colorado Sun:It was toward the end of the first day of a ski vacation with their church in March 2022 when Mike Miller and his daughter Annie skied up to the Paradise Express lift at Crested Butte Mountain Resort. The chair spun around and Annie couldn't settle into the seat. Mike grabbed her. The chair kept climbing out of the lift terminal. He screamed for the lift operator to stop the chair. So did people in the line. The chair kept moving. Annie tried to hold on to the chair. Mike tried to hold his 16-year-old daughter. The fall from 30 feet onto hard-packed snow shattered her C7 vertebrae, bruised her heart, lacerated her liver and injured her lungs. She will not walk again. The Miller family claims the lift operators were not standing at the lift controls and “consciously and recklessly disregarded the safety of Annie” when they failed to stop the Paradise chair. In a lawsuit the family filed in December 2022 in Broomfield County District Court, they accused Crested Butte Mountain Resort and its owner, Broomfield-based Vail Resorts, of gross negligence and “willful and wanton conduct.”In May, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled on the incident, per SAM:In a 5-2 ruling, the Colorado Supreme Court found that liability waivers cannot be used to protect ski areas from negligence claims related to chairlift accidents. The decision will allow a negligence per se claim brought against Vail Resorts to proceed in the district courts.The decision, however, did not invalidate all waivers, as the NSAA clarified in the same SAM article:There was concern among outdoor activity operators in Colorado that the case might void liability waivers altogether, but the narrow scope of the decision has largely upheld the use of liability waivers to protect against claims pertaining to inherent risks.“While the Supreme Court carved out a narrow path where releases of liability cannot be enforced in certain, unique chairlift incidents, the media downplayed, if not ignored, a critical part of the ruling,” explained Dave Byrd, the National Ski Areas Association's (NSAA) director of risk and regulatory affairs. “Plaintiffs' counsel had asked the [Colorado] Supreme Court to overturn decades of court precedent enforcing the broader use of ALL releases in recreation incidents, and the court unanimously declined to make such a radical change with Colorado's long-standing law on releases and waivers—and that was the more important part of the court's decision from my perspective.”The Colorado Supreme Court's ruling “express[es] no view as to the ultimate merit of the claim,” rather it allows the Millers' claim to proceed to trial in the lower courts. It could be month or years before the lawsuit is concluded.On me knowing “all too well what it's like to be injured on a ski trip”Boy do I ever:Yeah that's my leg. Ouch.Don't worry. I've skied 102 days since that mangling.Here's the full story.On “Jerry of the Day”I have conflicted feelings on Jerry of the Day. Some of their posts are hilarious, capturing what are probably genuinely good and seasoned skiers whiffing in incredible fashion:Some are just mean-spirited and stupid:Funny I guess if you rip and wear it ironically. But it's harder to be funny than you may suppose. See The New Yorker's cloying and earnest (and never-funny), Shouts & Murmurs column.On state passport programsState passport programs are one of the best hacks to make skiing affordable for families. Run by various state ski associations, they provide between one and three lift tickets to every major ski area in the state for some grade range between third and fifth. A small administrative fee typically applies, but otherwise, the lift tickets are free. In most, if not all, cases, kids do not need to live in the state to be eligible. Check out the programs in New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, and Utah. Other states have them too – use the Google machine to find them.The Storm explores the world of lift-served skiing year-round. Join us.The Storm publishes year-round, and guarantees 100 articles per year. This is article 58/100 in 2024, and number 558 since launching on Oct. 13, 2019. Get full access to The Storm Skiing Journal and Podcast at www.stormskiing.com/subscribe
The red tram pulled out of the station, heading up to Hidden Peak on its seven-minute run. Perched along the front left window was the legendary Junior Bounous, looking down and surveying the ski runs he plotted out 53 seasons ago. From his base at the Lodge at Snowbird, the 98-1/2-year-old Bounous still gets out to Snowbird and Alta two or three days a week. In this historic interview, Ski Utah's Last Chair spent a day at Snowbird with Bounous, who regaled us with stories of his nearly a century in the sport.Born into a fruit-farming family in Provo, he was 11 when he received skis as a present. He soon found his passion. His life chronicles the history of skiing in Utah, from working with Ray Stewart at Timp Haven to his mentorship under the legendary Alf Engen and spending the summer of 1971 designing the runs at Snowbird for visionary Ted Johnson.Under the guidance of Alf Engen in the 1940s and ‘50s, Bounous learned how to convey the love of skiing to others. He became transformative as a snowsports educator, helping to standardize teaching in an era where European instructors brought differing ideologies to education. Few have introduced more individuals to the joys of skiing than Junior Bounous. And it was Junior who helped introduce the world to powder skiing.There's a buzz in the tram line when Junior makes his appearance. Knowledgable Snowbird skiers recognize him instantly. And he's quick to strike up a conversation.Atop Hidden Peak, he pauses by the memorial bench dedicated to his ski mate and wife of over 70 years, Maxine. He still soaks in the panoramic view from Mt. Superior across the valley the the terrifying crease of the Pipeline Couloir on Twin Peaks, which he skied with his friend Jim McConkey.While recording Last Chair in Bounous room at the Lodge at Snowbird, it was mesmerizing to soak in the memorabilia on the walls. One framed article from SKI Magazine stood out from an early-'60s photo shoot by the legendary Fred Lindholm of Junior, Maxine (she's the one way out front in the key photo), and friends skiing a massive powder bowl on the flanks of Utah's Mount Timpanogos. Junior vividly recalls the helicopter dropping them off and then going back to Salt Lake City, leaving them a five-mile hike out after what was a glorious descent.Skiing has brought immense happiness to the son of a fruit farmer from Provo. That joy has manifested itself in sharing the sport with others. As we skied down Chip's Run, Junior had no issue taking the steeper drops versus cat tracks, simply checking surface conditions first. He happily posed for pictures. At one point, a ski patroller jokingly told him to slow down. It's been 53 years since he built these trails, but you could still see the pride in his eyes. And he never stopped smiling all the way down.Linking turns for Ski Utah photographer Chris Pearson, you could hear him singing with the rhythmic, melodic tones of his signature ba-dump … ba-dump … ba-dump, ba-dump, ba-dump with each pole plant.If you want to bring some simple joy to your own skiing, listen to this episode of Last Chair. This is why we started skiing in the first place.Here's a sampling of skiing according to Junior:The Origins of Powder Skiing“Powder skiing really did start at Alta. However, we saw in European films as skiers going through powder in the early days, and most of it was a straight line and very little turning. Alta became known for skiing waist-deep powder and making turns. Now, the evolution took time because we were on stiff, narrow skis. Today, there are thousands of skiers with powder snow skis that were not in existence then.”How Junior Was Tabbed to Design Snowbird“Ted Johnson and I were friends from Alta's early beginning. He had asked me if I wanted to invest with him, and I said, ‘No, I don't have $20,000.' I was in the national gelande contest at Alta, and Ted was there. And he said, ‘By the way, Junior, could we get you to come up and get the mountain ready to open for Snowbird?' I knew it was going in, and I thought about it a little bit and I said, ‘Yes, I've got time. What do you want me to do?' And he said, ‘I want you to handle the crews and get all of the runs designed and marked off and ready to open'. And so I went home and talked to Maxine. I called him, and I said, ‘Yes, when? When do I start?' ‘Tomorrow,' he said. I was taking this job for the summer only. But I started with topo maps in the architect's office and looked at the terrain. I had skied this terrain in the past from Alta. Coming across a Peruvian side was easy skiing. We had open runs; the Gad Valley side had thick pines and aspens and big willow trees that were 15 feet high. But anyway, first topo map, then heli-skiing and figuring out the runs. And then, after I was able to put all this on paper, we still had ten feet of snow.”History of Ba Dump“Ba dump entered into my teaching system. Number one is relaxing a student. Number two is rhythm. Rhythm is so important because skiing becomes a movement, not a left turn and a right turn. But it's linked together in a flow, we'll say. The rhythm building is taking the mind off of the student and giving them something to target or think about instead of what they're worrying about. And it's relaxing, as I say, and movement. But ba dump was more of a joke. However, it worked the same because the cadence of left right, left right did not work as well as ba dump, ba dump, because they were really mystified by why would you use words like that?”
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