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In this episode of Business Lunch, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss discuss the evolving landscape of the customer journey, emphasizing the importance of trust in modern marketing. They explore how traditional stages of the buying process are being replaced by a more fluid approach, where trust becomes the key driver of transactions. Through case studies and examples, they highlight the significance of identity trust, authenticity, and the role of founders as trust agents in building strong connections with consumers. The conversation also touches on the challenges and strategies for effectively engaging audiences in both B2B and B2C contexts.Chapters00:00 The Death of the Traditional Customer Journey02:51 The Role of Trust in Modern Marketing06:09 Case Studies: Successful and Controversial Campaigns09:05 Identity Trust: Connecting with Consumers11:57 The Power of Authenticity in Advertising14:56 Building Trust in B2B vs B2C17:59 Actionable Strategies for Trust Building20:47 The Importance of Founders as Trust AgentsSpecial AnnouncementAfter 5 years of teaching entrepreneurs how to build, buy, and sell companies, I'm retiring all Epic courses and educational content permanently. This isn't because they didn't work, thousands have built real wealth with these frameworks, but because AI, capital markets, and collaboration have changed the game. I'm shifting from teaching deals to doing deals. Want access to everything before it disappears forever? This is your last chance to grab 5 years of proven frameworks, strategies, and training materials before they're gone for good. See the full story and whats going into the vault here: Go to the vaultConnect with me on social:TikTok: Check out my TikTok HereInstagram: Check out my Instagram HereFacebook: Check out my Facebook HereLinkedIn: Check out my LinkedIn HereSubscribe to my YouTube

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about why everybody is watching Nvidia earnings, why the market has dipped recently, the two big ‘ifs’ hanging over the market, and what to know about RMD time. Terry, as always, answers all of your financial questions.

In this episode of Business Lunch, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss discuss the recent transition from Epic Network to a more focused approach with the Scalable Company. They explore the challenges of running a business that has taken on a life of its own, the importance of making changes when a business no longer serves its founders, and the evolving landscape of course creation in the age of AI. The conversation emphasizes the need for entrepreneurs to take action, embrace change, and focus on what truly brings them joy in their business endeavors.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Context of Change03:02 The Evolution of Epic Network05:58 The Decision to Pivot: Why Change is Necessary08:53 Understanding Business Ownership and Personal Happiness11:48 The Importance of Knowing What to Exit To14:56 The Future of Course and Information Businesses21:05 Lessons Learned from the Epic Network Experience30:35 The Reality of Course Consumption33:10 Reflections on 2020 and Business Decisions36:07 Navigating Change and Decision-Making40:06 What Would Need to Be True?43:12 Future Plans and New Directions46:24 Final Thoughts and Messages to the CommunitySpecial AnnouncementAfter 5 years of teaching entrepreneurs how to build, buy, and sell companies, I'm retiring all Epic courses and educational content permanently. This isn't because they didn't work, thousands have built real wealth with these frameworks, but because AI, capital markets, and collaboration have changed the game. I'm shifting from teaching deals to doing deals. Want access to everything before it disappears forever? This is your last chance to grab 5 years of proven frameworks, strategies, and training materials before they're gone for good. See the full story and whats going into the vault here: Go to the vaultConnect with me on social:TikTok: Check out my TikTok HereInstagram: Check out my Instagram HereFacebook: Check out my Facebook HereLinkedIn: Check out my LinkedIn HereSubscribe to my YouTube

Segment 1: Ryan Messner, President of Long Grove's Historic Downtown Business Association, joins John Williams to talk about all the holiday festivities the town has planned for the upcoming holidays. Segment 2: Matt Schultz, LendingTree Chief Consumer Finance Analyst, talks with John about a new Lending Tree survey that shows Thanksgiving hosts are expected to spend an average of $487 […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about 53% of U.S. homes losing value in the past year, and some Chicago homeowners seeing a sizeable jump in their property taxes. Segment 2: Jim Dallke, Director of Communications, TechNexus Venture Collaborative, tells John about Rivian Automotive announcing a spin off company called Mind Robotics, […]

Segment 1: Brian Speers, Wealth Management Advisor at Merrill Lynch joins John joins John to break down retirement planning strategies across generations, from Gen Z just starting out to Baby Boomers watching their spending in retirement. Brian explains why tackling high-interest debt first, using Roth accounts early, and building long-term saving habits can make all the […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about maximizing your social security. And John and Terry are delighted to be joined by Laurence Kotlikoff, professor of economics at Boston University, president of Economic Security Planning, and a New York Times best-selling author for today’s special edition of the Noon Business Lunch. Terry, John, […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins John to talk about a recent speech he gave to Google about the disconnect between executives, managers and HR/ recruiting when it comes to hiring. Tom says communication without fear is what separates the good companies from the great companies. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about the stock market being up a bit today, the latest on a possible end to the government shutdown, consumer debt being very high right now, and how ICE / Border Patrol activity is causing economic mayhem in certain areas of Chicago. Segment 2: Jim […]

Segment 1: Craig Bolanos, Founder and Wealth Advisor at VestGen Wealth Partners, joins John Williams to talk about what’s weighing on the market this week, how the government shutdown has been impacting the economy, his thoughts on the Supreme Court hearing on the Trump administration’s tariff power, why he thinks the Fed will cut rates again in […]

Segment 1: Steven Esposito, President of Yellowstone Wealth Management in Lake Forest, joins John to talk about why the market is pulling back a bit today, how uncertainty is impacting the economy, if he expect the Fed will cut rates again before the end of the year, the government shutdown slowing down the economy, the SCOTUS hearing […]

Segment 1: Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about the market being up by a few hundred points today, why she’s concerned about the strength of the market, the importance of having ‘chicken money’ right now, and what you need to know about RMD time. And as always, Terry answers all of […]

Segment 1: Phillip Shaw, CFP, Senior Advisor, Goldstone Financial Group, joins John Williams to talk about the stock market pulling back today, the impact of the government shutdown and the release of economic data, the latest on the administration’s trade deals, his concern about an AI bubble, the importance of getting a tax plan in order, and […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about the latest on the government shutdown, SNAP benefits, and the fight over the cost of Obamacare subsidies. Segment 2: Jim Dallke, Director of Communications, TechNexus Venture Collaborative, tells John about Cameo suing OpenAI for trademark infringement, and LinkedIn naming their top Chicago startups for 2025. […]

Segment 1: Paul Nolte, Senior Wealth Advisor and Market Strategist, Murphy & Sylvest, joins John to talk about monetary policy and Fed movement for the rest of the year, the market continuing to hit new highs, and where he suggests putting your money right now. Segment 2: Sarah E. Needleman, Leadership & Workplace Correspondent at Business […]

Segment 1: Jason Korinek, Executive Chef/Owner at Posto 31 in LaGrange Park, talks to John about where they are located in LaGrange Park, how long they have been in business, what the restaurant is most known for, how they use locally sourced products, the importance of making most of the items on the menu being […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about today’s policy decision by the Federal Reserve, the stock market hitting all time highs, and some of the economic areas that she’s concerned about. Terry also answers all of your financial questions.

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins John to talk about Amazon announcing a new round of layoffs, and what corporate layoffs mean for the health of the economy. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at Work, joins John to talk about how numerous surveys have shown that managers who spend more time in […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about the big stock market rally on Friday that continues today, the latest on a possible truce on China trade, the latest on the government shutdown and if their is an end in sight, and the impact of the SNAP program ending on November […]

Segment 1: Craig Bolanos, Founder and Wealth Advisor at VestGen Wealth Partners, joins John Williams to talk about the newest inflation data, why the market jumped today, his concern over debt, the overall strength of the economy, the latest on the government shutdown, the forecast for food prices, his expectations for Fed rate cuts for the rest […]

Segment 1: Michael Edwards, President and CEO, Chicago Loop Alliance, talks to John about Chicago Loop Alliance's State of the Loop quarterly report for the 3rd quarter of 2025. Segment 2: Abrar Al-Heeti, Senior Technology reporter for CNET, tells John about Waymo and DoorDash teaming up to deliver your food via Robotaxi, and OpenAI saying it is working with actors to […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about why it is best to wait until you are 70 before taking Social Security (if you can!), what is going on with the price of gold, and to tell us what to know about Medicare Open Enrollment. And as always, Terry answers all of […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins John to talk about how many hours a week people should be working, if you need to be working more if you want to get ahead, and the rise of scammers preying on those looking for a job. Segment 2: Longtime Chicago radio veteran Harvey […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about her recent visit to SI Container Builds, who are doing remarkable things with used containers (40’x8′) and turning them into affordable housing.  Segment 2: Jim Dallke, Director of Communications, TechNexus Venture Collaborative, tells John about a French quantum company establishing its US headquarters in Chicago, Chicago […]

Segment 1: Steven Esposito, President of Yellowstone Wealth Management in Lake Forest, joins John to talk about how many interest rate cuts he expects before the end of the year, how the interest rate cuts could impact the economy, his concern over the banking system and credit markets, where he believes your money should be moved to, […]

In this week's episode of Business Lunch, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss continue breaking down the “Bottlenecks” framework—the 11 proven playbooks that billionaires use to grow, protect, and multiply wealth.From AI-driven acquisitions to tax-optimized exits, this conversation dives into the strategies that separate ordinary entrepreneurs from long-term empire builders. You'll hear how the world's wealthiest think about capital allocation, scaling “boring” businesses, and structuring companies for massive, tax-efficient exits.Whether you're scaling your first venture or managing a growing portfolio, this episode is a tactical deep dive into how to think—and act—like a billionaire.Key Takeaways • Tech Is Not a Moat: With AI making innovation easy to copy, your real advantage is distribution and users. • The QSBS Advantage: How the Qualified Small Business Stock exemption can eliminate up to $10M (or more) in capital gains per shareholder. • DAFs & Charitable Strategy: Donor Advised Funds can combine tax savings with long-term impact—if structured correctly. • Boring Businesses, Billionaire Results: Logistics, energy, and real estate can quietly create generational wealth when value is added and scaled. • Capital Cycling: Why the world's best investors (like Blackstone and Berkshire) act like banks—recycling capital and compounding returns.Episode Highlights [00:02:00] – Why tech is easy to copy—and why users, not code, create real enterprise value. [00:10:00] – The billionaire tax play: how QSBS and DAFs legally minimize or eliminate capital gains. [00:18:00] – When to start thinking about tax strategy (hint: usually not before $10M net worth). [00:25:00] – Logistics, land, and “boring” businesses that create quiet fortunes. [00:33:00] – The ESG arbitrage: adding sustainability to raise valuations. [00:40:00] – Network effects and marketplace rollups: creating compounding flywheels. [00:55:00] – The rise of “edge retail”: micro-brands, coffee chains, and inversion models that scale fast. [01:05:00] – Capital cycling and other people's money (OPM): how billionaires play the funding game.Memorable Quotes“If all you are is a feature that someone else could build, you don't have a business—you have a countdown clock.”“Boring businesses aren't boring when they compound quietly into billions.”“It's not what you make—it's what you keep.”“Billionaires don't think like operators; they think like capital allocators.”Mentioned in This EpisodeQualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) – U.S. tax exemption strategyDonor Advised Funds (DAFs) – Philanthropic and tax planning vehiclesRoss Perot Jr. – Logistics real estateDutch Bros – Scalable retail model exampleBlackstone & Berkshire Hathaway – Capital cycling and compounding modelsListen If You'reA founder or investor learning to structure smarter deals.A CEO or operator ready to scale beyond execution into capital allocation.A strategic thinker who wants to play the long game in business and wealth creation.ConnectHosts: Roland Frasier & Ryan DeissPodcast: Business Lunch with Roland FrasierMore at: businesslunchpodcast.comMentioned in this episode:Join Roland & Ryan at Get Scalable LiveIf you're a founder, CEO, or operator running a 7- or 8-figure business, Get Scalable Live was built for you. This is not your typical business event. It's 3 days of hands-on strategy, real-world frameworks, and next-level networking with the smartest operators in the game.

Segment 1: Tom Fortino, Founder and Principal, Alpha Wealth Group and host of “The Alpha Wealth Hour” on WGN Radio, joins John Williams to talk about the markets continuing to hold up despite economic uncertainty, if he thinks the market is a little bit stretched, earnings being strong, what the Fed is likely to do with rates, […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about the delay in the Social Security cost-of-living increase announcement, and what to know about Medicare open enrollment. Terry has a three part series on everything you need to know here.

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins John to talk about labor market concerns, why hiring continues to remain flat, and the viral trend of ‘bed rotting.’ What does Tom make of the latest trend? Tom also stresses the need for stability from the government in order to keep the economy strong. […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about the winners of this year’s Nobel Prize for Economics, Broadcom and Open AI announcing a massive deal to build specific chips, the latest on the government shutdown, details of the Road to Housing Act, and a tour that she’s taking of a container […]

 Segment 1: Phillip Shaw, CFP, Senior Advisor, Goldstone Financial Group, joins Jon Hansen to talk about today’s market dip, President Trump threatening higher tariffs on China, the disconnect between Main Street and Wall Street, why he believes the U.S. markets will continue to grow, consumer sentiment remaining pretty strong, the health of the economy overall, and what […]

In this episode of Business Lunch, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss explain how the classic four-stage buying journey has collapsed into one moment—and why trust is the lid that keeps prospects “popping” in your pot. They unpack three forms of trust—Identity, Competence, and Proximity—with sharp wins and public flops (Nike, Sephora, Peloton, DSW, Starbucks, Apple, United). You'll get simple creative frameworks to turn short-form content into instant, in-channel conversions and a 14-day sprint to prove it on a small budget.Highlights“It's not a funnel anymore—it's a popcorn popper. Your audience are kernels heating at different speeds. Trust is the lid that keeps them popping for you.”“Competence trust means the brand ‘gets me'—often better than I can describe myself.”“Employees outperform celebrities for reach and credibility—because most buyers are employees.”“Frictionless is forgettable. Add desirable friction that helps buyers name their pain and act.”“If you can't pivot your model, bolt trust into your media: mirror-micro-media, why-what-where, people-place-proof.”Mentioned in This EpisodeThree Trust Types (MAP mnemonic):M – Identity trust: Mirror → Micro → MediaA – Competence trust: “Answer” with Why → What → WhereP – Proximity trust: People → Place → ProofCompetence wins & misses: Nike's “Why do it?” repositioning; Sephora tutorials lifting AOV; Peloton's 2019 holiday ad backlash.Proximity plays: DSW AR try-ons; Starbucks barista TikToks; Apple retail specialists; cautionary tale—United Airlines viral incidents.Localization tactics: regional currency/sites, geo-specific visuals (city skylines), and micro-influencers by market.KPI effects: higher AOV/retention/loyalty from competence; higher LTV from proximity; employee posts driving outsized reach.Timestamps00:00 – The collapsed customer journey: from funnel to popcorn popper (trust as the lid)04:00 – Recap: Identity trust (mirror, micro, media)—and why episodes stand alone but compound07:30 – Competence trust: the brand that “gets me” (Nike shift, Sephora demos) + Peloton misread14:20 – Framework for competence: Why → What → Where (myth-bust, demo, direct CTA)17:30 – Example: 30-sec tax advisory myth-buster → LinkedIn/Reels → consult link → track AOV20:10 – Proximity trust: employees, in-place context, show real proof (DSW AR, Starbucks, Apple)24:10 – Employee content > celebrity polish; make it authentic, even shot on phone26:00 – 14-day Trust Sprint and MAP recap; why proximity is overlooked yet most scalableTakeaways for OperatorsStop chasing linear funnels; engineer trust in-channel so action can happen immediately.Use Why → What → Where to collapse steps: name the pain, show the fix, drop the link.Turn staff into a media network: People → Place → Proof with incentives and simple tracking.Localize by currency, domains, visuals, accents, micro-influencers—it quietly multiplies conversion.Run a 14-day sprint: baseline CAC/AOV → recruit 3 customers + 3 insiders → record shorts →...

Segment 1: Jordan Brummett, Senior Manager, Integrated Marketing at Marquee Development, tells Jon Hansen about all the great fall events happening at Gallagher Way! Segment 2: Jason Hiner, Editor in Chief, ZDNET, joins Jon to talk about ChatGPT having apps you can now chat with, and a Deloitte survey found that 86% of businesses use AI for […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins Jon Hansen, filling in for John Williams, to talk about the price of gold rising, the importance of having a diverse portfolio, why markets are also continuing to hit all-time highs, the cost of the government shutdown, and what is going on with the U.S. dollar. Terry also answers all […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins Wendy Snyder to talk about how many jobs that AI could likely replace. Tom also tell us what the jobs report might have looked like had it been released. Segment 2: Julianne Olivo, Director of Public Relations, Brookfield Zoo Chicago, tells Wendy everything we should know […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins Wendy Snyder to talk about a new study that found that 1 in 5 Americans (19%) would pay at least $10,000 more for a home to avoid bad neighbors, and nearly one in five homes seeing a price reduction in September. Segment 2: Jim Dallke, Director of Communications, TechNexus Venture […]

Segment 1: Jane Oates, Senior Policy Advisor and recent President at WorkingNation, joins Jon to talk about the government shutdown, the postponement of the BLS monthly report, and if the delayed report will impact any movement from the Fed on interest rates. Segment 2: Sarah Hartwick, Senior Vice President for the Illinois Manufacturers' Association, joins Jon Hansen […]

In this episode of the Business Lunch podcast, Host Roland Frasier and guest Richard Lindner break down the subscription trap and why recurring revenue isn't always the ultimate solution it's made out to be.From the outside, subscription models look like a dream: predictable cash flow, higher valuations, and a business that doesn't start at zero each month. But as Roland and Richard reveal, the reality can be far more complicated.They dive into real stories from their portfolio companies, showing how recurring revenue can backfire through hidden churn, customer support debt, and endless innovation demands. You'll hear how even big players like Netflix constantly battle to keep customers engaged, and why smaller businesses often underestimate the true cost of service.This episode is a must-listen if you're considering shifting to a subscription model—or if you've already launched one and want to make sure it's sustainable.HIGHLIGHTS“Recurring revenue is great… until you're losing more members each month than you know how to gain.”“There's voluntary churn, where people cancel. But the killer is involuntary churn—declined payments, expired cards—that can quietly eat your business alive.”“If you're creating content subscriptions, pair them with community. Access is the real value that keeps people sticking around.”“Don't fall in love with the model. Define your business by who you serve, not just how you charge.”Mentioned in this EpisodeThe difference between breakage vs. consumption models (think Netflix vs. gym memberships)Why AI in customer support is changing the economics of subscription businessesHow to tell if your business should pursue a bolt-on subscription or avoid it altogether

Segment 1: Bill Geiger, President and CEO of Geiger Wealth Management, joins Jon Hansen to talk about National Retirement Security Month, the importance of creating a secure retirement plan, and the three most important jobs to do to prepare for retirement. Segment 2: Mark Hamrick, Washington Bureau Chief and Senior Economic Analyst for Bankrate.com, talks to Jon about […]

Segment 1:  Aki Ito, Chief Correspondent at Business Insider, joins Jon Hansen to talk about the new rules of workplace loyalty. Segment 2: Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins Jon Hansen to talk about the stock market continuing to hit all-time highs, why she still believes in the stock market despite economic turmoil, and to answer all of your financial […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins Jon Hansen, filling in for John Williams, to talk about why workplace values are holding up some younger workers. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at Work, joins Jon to talk about new trend where companies are either holding on to seasoned CEOs in their later 60s and […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins Jon Hansen, filling in for John Williams, to talk about why workplace values are holding up some younger workers. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at Work, joins Jon to talk about new trend where companies are either holding on to seasoned CEOs in their later 60s and […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins Jon Hansen, filling in for John Williams, to talk about why workplace values are holding up some younger workers. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at Work, joins Jon to talk about new trend where companies are either holding on to seasoned CEOs in their later 60s and […]

Segment 1: Tom Gimbel, job expert and founder of LaSalle Network, joins Jon Hansen, filling in for John Williams, to talk about why workplace values are holding up some younger workers. Segment 2: Philippe Weiss, President, Seyfarth at Work, joins Jon to talk about new trend where companies are either holding on to seasoned CEOs in their later 60s and […]

Segment 1: Ilyce Glink, owner of Think Glink Media, joins John Williams to talk about why consumers under 40 are not buying life insurance, and a new study that shows that one in six aspiring homeowners have given up in the last five years. Segment 2: Jim Dallke, Director of Communications, TechNexus Venture Collaborative, tells John about an obscure biometric privacy law could […]

Nationally syndicated financial columnist and author Terry Savage joins John Williams to talk about consumer sentiment falling, what to know about the 10-year Treasury yield, and why gold is doing so well right now. Terry also answers all of your financial questions.

This week's episode began with Min Kong, the Director of Culinary Innovation for Dig Inn. Dig Inn is a healthy, fast-casual eatery concept that is expanding within Philadelphia and its surrounding suburbs. We then switched gears and spoke with the Chef and Co-Founder of Get Saucy, a dietary and allergen-friendly sauce company based out of California. Chef Suhan Lee, a Co-Founder of Get Saucy, joined me from his home-base in New York to discuss their lineup of sauces that can be a big hit for all eaters at your table! Lastly, we heard from Lee Leung, who is the Regional General Manager for Fearless Restaurants. Lee joined us to announce the recently-launched breakfast, brunch, and mid-day options at Triple Crown. Fearless Restaurants always offers a dynamic combination of food and vibes, and now Triple Crown can help you power through your next breakfast meeting, family visit, or simply just to enjoy a delightful meal! Related Links:https://www.diginn.comhttps://getsaucy.comhttps://www.triplecrownradnor.com

Segment 1: Emily Shaw, Economic Development Coordinator, Lindenhurst, tells John about her job helping out businesses in Lindenhurst, what the business community in Lindenhurst is like, how they are a business-friendly town, how many people the village employs, why she feels that Lindenhurst can compete with bigger cities, and some of the new developments that […]

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In this episode of the Business Lunch podcast, host Roland Frasier sits down with Lucy Guo, a remarkable entrepreneur who made her mark in a short amount of time. Lucy takes us through her inspiring journey, starting from her early days as a kindergartener selling Pokemon cards and colored pencils to her groundbreaking roles as an intern at Facebook and the first female designer at Snap.Lucy's shares how she leveraged platforms like PayPal and eBay to turn her skills into financial opportunities. Lucy and Roland delve into the topic of coding and its importance in today's landscape. While Lucy acknowledges the rise of no-code tools, she emphasizes the value of understanding coding fundamentals, particularly when it comes to managing engineering teams and making informed decisions about app development.This podcast episode offers a captivating glimpse into Lucy Guo's entrepreneurial journey, filled with valuable insights and lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs.HIGHLIGHTS"I was always an entrepreneur growing up... I was selling Pokemon cards and colored pencils for money." "Knowing how to code is important... the best sites today and the best apps today, you still need a team of engineers."“If you are just a business person and you are hiring a team of engineers, you're gonna get ripped off."Mentioned in this episode:Get Roland's Training on Acquiring Businesses!Discover The EXACT Strategy Roland Has Used To Found, Acquire, Scale And Sell Over Two Dozen Businesses With Sales Ranging From $3 Million To Just Under $4 Billion! EPIC Training