Podcasts about Literalism

Who is Jesus? Who is Paul? Why were books kept out of the bible? Why were books taken out of the bible? Who's right? How can we know? These are just some of the questions that are hotly debated by lay people and professionals alike and a lot of people declare their point of view with certainty. It can all get very confusing. In this video, Aaron tries to help us make sense of of it and then discusses "How do we live then?" If you appreciate his work please consider making a donation at "paypal.me/newdayglobal"

Ken and Betsey usually discuss politics. Today, they set aside the political turmoil in the headlines and discuss Christmas. Ken's most recent Substack reflects on the central scene that is the focus of the celebration of Christmas by Christians all around the world - the Nativity. Joseph. Mary. The baby Jesus. It's a wide-ranging conversation around literalism, fundamentalism, and a contemplation of what is real and true. From Charles Dickens to Karen Armstrong, they share their childhood experiences, Ken's performance of White Christmas in a posh restaurant with a couple of carolers in Victorian dress, and neighborhood displays of inflatable Santas, Snowmen, Grinches, Mickey and Minnie, and of course, Nativity scenes. Ken's Substack: The Nativity | Become a Patron Support the show

Born in Baltimore, Maryland in 1961, Mike became a Christian at the age of 10 and grew up in a Christian home. He attended Liberty University where he earned his Bachelor's Degree in Music Performance (Saxophone). During his undergraduate studies, he had a strong desire to know God, devoting himself to studying the Bible daily. He decided to learn Koine Greek in order to read the New Testament in its original language and later completed a Master's Degree in Religious Studies. Toward the end of his graduate work in 1985, Mike began to question the veracity of his faith and wondered if there was any evidence to support it. He decided not to go into Christian ministry at that time. Finding answers to his questions consumed him and he almost jettisoned his faith. He investigated the evidence for Christianity and a number of other major world religions. He also considered the arguments for atheism. His investigation solidified his belief that God exists and that he has actually revealed himself to mankind in Jesus Christ and that the Christian view provides the most plausible and unified theory of reality. In July of 1997, Mike formed TruthQuest Ministries in order to give an official name to his growing ministry and to allow future donors to make tax-deductible gifts. In October 2001, the ministry was renamed “RisenJesus” in order to avoid confusion with other ministries named “TruthQuest” and more closely reflect its vision of equipping 100,000 Christians to share their faith using the evidence for Jesus' resurrection. Mike has a Ph.D. in New Testament (University of Pretoria). He completed all requirements “with distinction” and the highest marks. He is a frequent speaker on university campuses, churches, Christian groups, retreats, frequently debates, and has appeared as a guest on dozens of radio and television programs. He is a member of the Evangelical Theological and Philosophical Societies, the Institute for Biblical Research, the Society of Biblical Literature, and the prestigious Studitorum Novi Testamenti Societas. Mike is Professor of New Testament Studies at Houston Christian University and the president of Risen Jesus, Inc. Mike is married to Debbie and they have two grown children, Alexandra and Zachary. Mike is the author, co-author or editor of seven (7) books Why Are There Differences in the Gospels? What We Can Learn From Ancient Biography (Oxford University Press, 2017) The Resurrection of Jesus: A New Historiographical Approach (IVP Academic, 2010) Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science, with co-editor William Dembski (Baker 2010) Paul Meets Muhammad which is a debate on the resurrection of Jesus between the apostle Paul and the prophet Muhammad The award winning The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus with co-author Gary Habermas which is a comprehensive self-study course Cross Examined, a legal novel defending the historicity of Jesus' resurrection Behold, I Stand at the Door and Knock which lays out in a concise manner what to say to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses when they knock on your door. Jesus, Contradicted: Why the Gospels tell the same story differently (Zondervan Academic, 2024) Raised on the Third Day: Defending the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus, with co-editor W. David Beck (Lexham Press, 2020) For more, please see: https://www.risenjesus.com/mike-licona Mike Licona - YouTube

We speak with Bruce Reyes-Chow about his recent book Everything Good about God Is True, a primer on what it means to choose faith in the midst of a bleeding world and an often broken church. We discuss the Christian ethic of loving enemies, listening, having compassion across ideological division, embodying faith in the public square, biblical literalism, Christian formation, soteriological exclusivism, the eucharist, missions and colonialism, and that time Bruce hung out with Desmond Tutu.You might notice we're experimenting with some new formatting in this episode. We'd love to hear your thoughts! Drop us a line at the address below or on our social media pages and let us know what you think. Or send along a voice memo to be potentially featured on the show.Content note: this episode contains some profanity, as well as a monologue from John MacArthur, which is worse.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Moreh Nevuchim - Guide for the Perplexed: Episode 4 - Literalism, Metaphor & the Limits of Language An 8 part series going through the 4 introductions of Rambam's classical Jewish philosophical text. Subscribe for more videos about Judaism, Jewish Mysticism and Kabbalah. Rabbi Daniel Rowe is a popular Rabbi, philosopher and educator in the UK, who uses deep knowledge of Judaism, science and philosophy to captivate and educate audiences on a daily basis. Follow Rabbi Rowe on Social media for regular new uploads and updates: YouTube: https://youtube.com/@RabbiDanielRowe?si=dLtRunDWpW0GbOkx Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1qPQn7TIWdQ8Dxvy6RfjyD Instagram: https://instagram.com/rabbidanielrowe?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/LHRiZdB5EL2VdNaA/? Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/cd5debfe-684c-411d-b0bc-223dcfa58a39/rabbi-daniel-rowe LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rabbi-daniel-rowe-23838711?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rabbi.daniel.rowe?_t=8i87VmPNE7V&_r=1 #jew #jewish #judaism #philosophy #maimonides #torah #rambam

The two Kens celebrate the news that Ken F has rediscovered his high school sweetheart. On a recent episode of Asian America the Ken Fong Podcast, Fong shared his budding affection for Doreen with his audience. Kemp shares in the celebration and happiness as Ken and Doreen begin their sweet courtship.  As we approach the holiday season, Fong asks Kemp to read his most recent Substack essay, The Baby and the Bathwater. They reflect on the version of Christmas they experienced in their formative years. It centered on an apologetic that made their faith primary - with an assumption of superiority. Kemp shares an interview (Jamin Coller) on his podcast where he learned about a Pastor-Dad who rejected his adult son (and his family) because he expressed his doubts as he entered into a phase of "deconstruction." All too often, a literalist, toxic, fundamentalist religion tragically alienates family members. Kemp shares what he has learned from Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung about religious symbol, myth and archetype. While the arrival of a child for some can be burdensome on many levels, for the Two Kens, the arrival of children and grandchildren evokes the same wonder, promise, and joy we witness in the Christmas scene we call The Nativity. SHOW NOTESBecome a PatronSupport the show

In this episode of our bonus series on How the Bible Frees Women, Pastors Kory and Abby talk about how adding gendered language impacts how we read Scripture as well as the selective literalism people often engage in because of our theological commitments.

  Wisdom is a universal language. Insightful parables are found throughout various cultures in history which offer wisdom about how to live a fuller life, being in harmony with nature, and abiding by universal energies and principles. Gods and Goddesses throughout literature emulate many of these qualities. These stories are based on ancient texts, with an esoteric approach, rather than literal, explains our guest today, Obadiah Harris, Ph.D. (now deceased). Dr. Harris was the President of the Philosophical Research Society, founded by Manly P. Hall, and had combined his skills as a community educator and administrator with the study of the world's wisdom traditions. He explains how these stories and traditions ask us to see the inner meaning. He explains how esotericism is an attempt to release the individual from a literal hold. Esoteric movements today are moving away from literalism. People are searching for answers and looking for what works. If we look within, we can explore and find our own truth.   Dr. Harris received his Ph.D. in Education from the University of Michigan as a Stewart Mott Foundation Fellow. His work in community education includes service as Associate Professor and Director of the Center for Community Education at New Mexico State University, and as Associate Professor and Director of the Regional Center for Community Education at Arizona State University. Dr. Harris's study and practice of the great Eastern and Western traditions has helped shape and direct his life. Info: www.prs.org. 

In this episode, which may literally be the best ever done, Rob and Vinnie look at the topic of "literalism" and the book of Revelation. Should the book of Revelation and the Bible be interpreted "literally"?      Please "follow" this podcast and give a review on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your review will go a long way towards helping others find this podcast. Then share it with others so that we can get the word of the Gospel of the Kingdom to more people!   Also, our goal is to keep these episodes free of charge. I do not intend to ever hide them behind a paywall. I can only do this if those of you who have been blessed by them and can afford to give ($5, $10, $25, or more/month) do so. You can give a tax-deductible contribution by following this link. Recommended reading:  Rossing, Barbara. The Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the book of Revelation. New York: Basic Books, 2005. Finally, we just want to say thank you for listening in and supporting the work of determinetruth. If you have any questions that you would like us to address, we would love to hear them. Use the contact page on Determinetruth.com If you have been blessed by these episodes, we want to encourage you to make sure you follow this podcast, share it with others, and post a review. By posting a review you make it easier for others to find the podcast on google searches.

“The Bible tells us just what [God] wants us to know.” NOT!! Listen to this episode of Percolating on Faith to hear why, since the late 1700s, people have been arguing that, “if it's written down, it must be true”... especially in relation to the Biblical text. Find out why taking such a position can be dangerous … not to mention incorrect. Discover ways to approach scripture from an honest and healthy perspective so you don't end up in a “literal” trap.   Book Referenced in this episode: Jack Rogers, Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, (Westminster John Knox Press, 2009) James Barr, Fundamentalism, (Hymns Ancient & Modern Ltd, 1981) Download TranscriptThanks for listening to Project Zion Podcast!Follow us on Facebook and Instagram!

Steve and Leland are back at it, after a 3-4 year hiatus and talking Christianity. Do you take the bible literally? Were there dinosaurs on the ark? Was noah a real guy?

Is Genesis 1-11 trying to tell us history, biology, or geography in the modern scientific sense? What does Genesis have to say about science? What does a faithful reading of Genesis look like? Join us as we kick off Season 3 answering your questions on how to read the book of Genesis truthfully.

Sermon and scripture reading from worship Sunday, January 22. Scripture reading: Matthew 20: 29-34. Rev. Sally Johnson preaching.

Adam Stokes is not only an apostle for Church of Jesus Christ - The Assured Way of the Lord, but he has a divinity degree from Yale University. Does his scholarship training conflict with biblical literalism? How does he balance the competing ideas? We're going to talk about Biblical Scholarship vs Literalism. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/iYwcr7hSwog Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

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Join us for week 2 of our series Twisted Scripture: When the Good Book Gets Used in a Bad Way. This week we look the problem with literalism and contradictions. Give Online: https://www.cathedraloftherockies.org/donate/ Connect with us: Facebook Downtown Campus https://www.facebook.com/cathedraloftherockies Facebook Amity Campus https://www.facebook.com/cathedraloftherockiesamity Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cathedral_of_the_rockies/ Instagram Cathedral Families: https://www.instagram.com/cathedralfamilies/ Instagram Youth Ministry: https://www.instagram.com/saltandlight208/

The original version of "Wild Horses" is difficult to find. Outside of the music video on YouTube, it's not available on any streaming service or for sale electronically. Stranger still, Wikipedia has no entry for the song or its corresponding album. This is a shame - "Wild Horses" is an incredible song. In this episode, we give you all the information (and more) that we could find out on the song and video, from mystical experiences in Peru to a shaman named Jamie in Arizona and ties to the Getty family. Sit back and enjoy. It's Gino time! Helpful links: Original Video Mixtape Boom 97.3 Interview (Behind the Vinyl) You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Masadon, and our website. You can email us at BandFGuiltFree@gmail.com, too. Here is our Spotify playlist featuring every song we've featured. Our theme music is by the incredibly talented Ian McGlynn. Transcript: Frank: [0:00] So today on Bill and Frank's Guilt-Free Pleasures, we're going to talk about Gino Vannelli's "Wild Horses." We're going to discuss his determination in getting a record deal, his connection with a shaman named Jamie, and also his connection with the Getty dynasty. Bill: [0:17] But before we get to that, cut to the theme music. Frank: [0:22] Take it away, Ian McGlynn. Bill: [0:44] In this episode, we are pushing Frank Pearson to the limit. Because today's song is a mysterious song. It's a song that seemingly has disappeared from all streaming services. It is difficult to find any information on. Frank: [1:07] Yeah, there's no Wikipedia page specifically for this song. There's no song facts page for it. I have not been able to go to either of my main resources to look up information for this song. Bill: [1:21] And I realized this as I was doing my deep dive and I thought wow they even scrubbed the album from Wikipedia So today's episode is on Gino Vannelli's "Wild Horses." So turn up the heat, pour yourself a glass of red wine. Frank: [1:39] Sit back and enjoy. Bill: [2:04] As we mentioned, this is a challenge. Frank: [2:08] Oh my goodness, like I have so many tabs open on my computer right now and each of them has just a little bit of a nugget of information for the song or for Gino Vannelli and I mean I'm going to, be honest I'm probably not going to refer to any of them I'm just going to make it all up as I go along but yeah researching this was a little bit of a little bit of a chore for me I'm glad I had a little bit of time off over the holidays so I could dedicate some time to it. Bill: [2:38] So why don't you give us a little history of Gino Vannelli anyways that you could find anyways on as far as the artist goes. Frank: [2:45] Gino Vannelli was born to his parents, has brothers and sisters, and is a musician. Oh wait, it's only brothers, isn't it? Bill: [2:53] You sure he's got any sisters? Yeah, okay. All right. Maybe maybe I'll have to take over, He's coming out of Montreal Quebec and so we also featured another musician at a Montreal named Andy Kim, who also had a similar backstory in that they went to the big city in the States. For Andy Kim, it was New York. For Gino Vanelli, I believe it was LA? Frank: [3:20] It was Hollywood actually. So this is one of the things that I actually found, I think it was a YouTube interview that he did. They booked tickets to go to Hollywood and they get there and they realize they're in Hollywood Florida, not Hollywood California. He went with his brother Joe. And this is according to Gino Vannelli in a YouTube interview. This is something that I find interesting too, because some musicians have varying like origin stories or Genesis stories that that changed from interview to interview. So you kind of wonder which which is true and which is a bit of an embellishment. Anyways, according to Gino, he and Joe had tickets booked to go to Hollywood, but end up in Hollywood, Florida and then have to book a separate trip from Florida to California. they end up in Hollywood proper. Bill: [4:13] And while they're in Hollywood, he's being supported by his family. His parents are good to him. Like in terms of the story, his mother was sending money. But what ended up happening is his mother sent money to Hollywood, Florida instead of Hollywood, California. Was that what happened? Yeah. So I don't know if they went to, I mean, I didn't hear the story about them landing in Hollywood, Florida, but his mom had sent money to Hollywood, Florida and they were stuck. They had no money. They'd been trying to make things work. And he was kind of at the end of things. as far as making his dream happen. Frank: [4:46] Yeah, it was down to like his last $5. Bill: [4:48] Yeah, so he went into a church, he said, and sat in this church sometime in the early morning hours. It was open, sat in there, and just, I think he fell asleep. He said the quietness of the place, not so much some sort of mystical thing. He was really quick to say that, even though we'll talk about his spirituality later, I'm sure, but he said the quiet sort of space helped him to know what he needed to do. And then he went over to where Herb Alpert's studio was. And he sat there while the guard who is slightly injured, so he couldn't run so fast, but the guard's like, you stay there. And Gina Vannelli said, I'm allowed to stay here. It's on public property. And he said, don't you dare try to run over and talk to anybody. And Gina Vannelli's like, yep, yep, yep. And then he sees Herb Alpert come out and then he darts across the parking lot to get to him. Frank: [5:41] And Herb Alpert, sorry, is one of the co-owners of A&M Records. Bill: [5:45] Exactly, and so the guard is saying, damn you, he's trying to get him, pulls out his gun apparently, because Herb Alpert's wife has been stalked. Frank: [5:51] Oh, jeez. Bill: [5:55] Or something like that, so Herb Alpert's wondering what's going on. So in this moment, Herb Alpert's thinking this could be the stalker, Gino Vannelli's taking his life in his hands, and then he just says to Herb Alpert, I have all these songs, I want to try these things. And Herb Alpert says to the guard, like, hey Joe, relax, it's okay. And the guard is so angry. And he says to Gino, come back in half an hour. And so Gino Vannelli comes back in half an hour, plays the songs for him. And then Herb Alpert said, welcome to A&M Records. Frank: [6:27] Yeah, and it's similar to the Andy Kim story where he had a similar instance. He was in New York, but same thing, regular exec just waited, waited, waited, and finally kind of ambushed the exec. And I will apologize that my confusion with the Hollywood Florida versus Hollywood California story in my typical research fashion, I was, you know, 100% into it. I was a had the YouTube video playing while I was scrolling through Tinder. So it's. Bill: [7:01] Wait, wait a sec. Did you make up the Hollywood Florida story? Frank: [7:03] No I thought that I heard that I think it might be true. I'm not sure. Bill: [7:07] Okay, but you know, he's gonna be so angry when he listens to this. So there's something about Montreal singers who have the sort of moxie to just go for it. Frank: [7:10] I know right. [7:16] Yeah, yeah, they got a lot of guts and especially to run through a parking lot, with the security guard chasing you like that's like going all in on your dream. Bill: [7:27] The guns pointed. Yeah, hopefully Joe was a bad shot. Well, hopefully he didn't kill curb Alpert. Yeah, these are tough times. Oh. Frank: [7:28] Yeah. [7:33] Yeah I know I like to think that the the guard was probably distracted by Gino of Nellie's amazing hair. Bill: [7:39] Yeah, he's a very good-looking man and in 1970s Gino Vannelli hair is something else now Gino Vannelli is very successful in the 70s, He had his big album. I think was this I was his third album or fifth album brother to brother Yeah, and the song was I just want to stop written by Ross Finnelli. I believe is one of his brothers I thought I was written by Gino was actually written by his brother. Gino is a songwriter. Yeah. Frank: [8:04] Make sense brother to brother. Bill: [8:06] But well, yeah, there we go. And that's a huge rock song and also I mean he just Did huge business in the 70s we head into the 80s and now it's a different time Gino cuts his hair. Frank: [8:10] Well, yeah, because the 70s are different from the 80s. Bill: [8:21] They are but there's a sound new wave has come in and Gino purposely ends up making an 80s record before this one so, He gets into a fight with CBS records or Arista one of these record companies of what he's with and they won't let him Release his music. So there's this, Lengthy period where he doesn't release anything. So you have Nightwalker has come out in 81 and then it takes until until 1984 for Black Cars to come out. And Black Cars is an 80s synth album. And he knows what he's doing. And then the follow up to that three years later, his big dreamers never sleep. You'll see on your Wikipedia page in front of you, Frank, there is no hyperlink. No one has published a Wikipedia entry. Now, of course, the question is, will we be the people who publish that Wikipedia entry? Frank: [9:12] I'm going to include the story of him traveling to Hollywood, Florida. Bill: [9:16] Yeah, and so we'll see if within half an hour someone changes it, we'll know it's false. So Big Dreamers Never Sleep, 1987, this album comes out and it's as usual produced by Gino Vannelli and his two brothers, Joe and Ross, and it includes kind of his last major hit, which is "Wild Horses," the song we're doing today. And then this sets in motion his future, I think. Cause by then now he can become a touring thing. He's got all these songs and "Wild Horses" is one of those regular songs he sings. Frank: [9:49] Yeah, yeah. Bill: [9:52] Yeah. So as I said earlier, I really pushed this episode. So I apologize, Frank. I'm like, we're doing Gino Vannelli, we're doing Wild Horses, it's happening. And Frank didn't realize I bought the CD online because you can't get an MP3, you can't buy a legit copy of this online. So I went and bought the actual album. So I got the CD and it's that old CD thing where you open the booklet and like, oh, here's a list of songs and a list of performers, no lyrics, it's thin. And the back page is all about how great a compact disc is. Oh, seriously? Oh yeah. Frank: [10:24] Oh seriously? Bill: [10:26] So I think I have an original copy. I think it might be a German pressing even. Yeah. Frank: [10:30] Yeah. Bill: [10:31] So it's fine. It's very 1980s in its production. There's a couple tracks that really stand out for me, but Wild Horses, Far and Away is a big one. Now it's written by Gino Vannelli and Roy Freeland, which I don't have a lot of information on Roy Freeland. I would have liked to have dove more into this, but he's done a lot of work with other songwriters. So it's hard to know, this frustrates me, when a songwriter doesn't talk about his co-writer. So when Gino Vannelli talked about writing the song, and talk about Roy Freeland's involvement. Frank: [11:08] I mean, it is a Gino Vannelli song. So, you know, it's tough to take that away from Gino. But at the same time, you know, throw the man a bone. Bill: [11:18] Yeah, now to be fair, I think both you and I when we talk to others about the podcast we don't even mention each other. Frank: [11:26] Oh, no, I call it my podcast. Who's this Bill guy? It's just a character I do. Bill: [11:31] Yeah, he's the other guy but anyways while I was making this. Frank: [11:34] One stop. Yeah. There is a Wikipedia page for that song. Thank goodness. Bill: [11:35] So, okay this brings us to the song There's so much to talk about with Gino Vannelli and he's so interesting in this way that I want to talk more about Gino finale and hopefully we do an episode on I just want to stop. Yeah, that's gonna happen. Yeah. And I have this working theory or interest in Italo Canadian rock stars. Someday I'm going to write a paper on this, publish it in our scholarly journal that we publish semi annually. Frank: [11:58] Yeah. [11:58] Oh, yes. [12:06] You mean our show notes? Bill: [12:07] Yeah, our show notes. But I'm not there yet. But I just want to note also Italo Canadian when this comes up in our future episodes this year. All right, did you find anything on the song? Gina Vannelli talking about it. Frank: [12:20] Yes, like the inspiration for it. Yeah, yeah. So, oh, it's a classic mysticism rock star move. So Gino Vannelli is in Peru and he's hiking to Machu Picchu. And he doesn't say it specifically, but it's 100% assumed that he's in Machu Picchu. He takes part in one of those ayahuasca ceremonies, which is, it's like a tobacco. It's like a cannabis sort of, well, it's not cannabis, sorry. It's a... Bill: [12:58] It's not peyote, is it? No. Okay, so did you find an article? Like, I was looking high and low for, I found one interview. Frank: [13:04] Well, I read an interview, I read an article and I listened to the one interview and he. Bill: [13:11] Yeah, okay, go ahead. Keep going on the Ayahuasca thing, yeah. Frank: [13:14] Doesn't say specifically that he was doing ayahuasca but you look at Machu Picchu and he said he was involved in a sort of spiritual awakening and then when you research Machu Pichu, yeah, they do these ayahuasca ceremonies, which sort of healers and shaman or whatever in Machu Picchu, it's part of the ceremony, it's supposed to open up your mind. Bill: [13:41] Gotcha. Okay, so I couldn't find an article on that stuff. That's good research. Good job. Frank: [13:46] He doesn't get an answer through this whole ceremony and through his whole experience. Bill: [13:51] But something has happened to him right he's had some sort of spiritual awakening. Frank: [13:55] Awakening. So he goes home and then he starts talking about it just like I need an answer for what happened in Peru. So he hears about the shaman in New Mexico. Bill: [14:07] In New Mexico, Jamie the shaman. So Jamie the shaman is in New Mexico and he flies to Albuquerque and then has to drive. Frank: [14:10] The shaman. [14:20] Yeah, Jamie. Bill: [14:22] To the fun is it Santa Fe is that in New Mexico is something like that. Frank: [14:23] To find the shaman. [14:27] Yeah. Bill: [14:28] So he's driving and a convertible. So this is just to me is like, first he's a rock star who went to Peru while there was like all this civil unrest. People are getting murdered and stuff. Frank: [14:38] Yeah, they're oh yeah. Bill: [14:39] He's like, but I had to be there. I'm like, Oh, this is so rock star has this experience on a mountain top. And then buys a flight to New Mexico from LA. I think that's where he was at that point gets a convertible because of course you get a convertible and then drives at like a hundred miles an hour down these roads, which is super dangerous. Frank: [15:00] The whole time he's kind of tapping out the beat of the song on the steering wheel. And he's saying like, I gotta get to that. I gotta get to the shaman. I gotta get to shaman Jamie. Bill: [15:11] He did. Frank: [15:13] I have to get there. It's like nothing's gonna keep me away from shaman Jamie. So he's booting along and I don't even again, I was probably scrolling Tinder, But did even he was talking about getting lost. Did even find Jamie. OK. Yeah. Bill: [15:28] He got to Jamie, but he never got the answers to what he needed, but he got this song that he had in his head. By the time he got there, he had the chorus kind of mapped out and so he had wild horses in his head and he had the drum beat going. Frank: [15:41] Yeah. Bill: [15:41] And so I imagine Roy Freeland probably helped in fleshing out these songs that he'd have them and he'd be like, not a ghostwriter, but the sort of person who comes in and helps kind of clean things up. That's my guess. Roy, you can reach out to us though. Frank: [15:52] Tell us your ayahuasca story. [15:57] But yeah, so the whole time when he's tapping it out on the steering wheel and he's coming, he's like, he's saying, I need to get there. wild horses aren't going to keep me away from getting an answer to my questions, to getting an answer for my vision. Bill: [16:11] Right, so this song in interesting ways, because you can see this as a love song, but this could also be a song about his seeking the divine. And so wild horses couldn't drive him away from this experience. But of course we're gonna dive into these lyrics. Frank: [16:28] Yeah, so the lyrics kind of indicate it's more of a romantic thing, but I think it's, This also, it also parallels nicely with his like dogged determination and his experience with Herb Alpert and getting a record contract back in the 70s. Bill: [16:47] Yeah, that's good analysis. Frank: [16:50] That is good analysis. Bill: [17:12] Alright, now it's time to dive into "Wild Horses" The Song. As the sun goes down on the Arizona Plane and the wind whistles by like a runaway train, Hey hey hey, it's a beautiful thing. Well it's me and you and a flatbed truck, my heart kicking over like a white tail buck. hey hey hey in the middle of spring. [17:59] So, whitetail buck, deer, middle of spring is they want to get some dates. They got like the Tinder thing going on for deer. Frank: [18:09] Yeah, the the the the bucks are on their Tinder. Right. What's deer Tinder? What do you think that? I wonder what that was? Yeah. Yeah. Bill: [18:13] You just always swipe right. Yeah. Always. I saw a bunch of whitetail buck actually in the woods and we followed it. Frank: [18:22] Oh, yeah, by by your place, eh? Bill: [18:22] Yeah. But then following it, I realized they're probably coyotes, which is a really bad idea to be trying to follow a group of coyotes. It was the total setup. Frank: [18:31] Wait, so you saw kairi's that were dressed as deer. Bill: [18:33] I gotta go see the optometrist. Frank: [18:35] This is sounding like a Looney Tunes episode. What I like about that opening lyric and we were talking about this when we were listening to the song beforehand is there's the and the wind whistles by like a runaway train, the drums, it's that clickety clack. It's that train sort of you get that real feeling that imagery of a train. So again, this is something that that the lyrics represent what the sound is. Bill: [19:04] Exactly. And they make sure to have like such perfect production for this. They have some of the best session players around, I think anyways, because the drummer and the drums are the key. It's those, it's those brushes on the drums. And that's Dave Garibaldi, who's the drummer for Tower of Power. And it's incredible. And so as you listen to it, those drums drive it. But there's also this bassist named Jimmy Haslip, who's on the bass. And if you go through, through his like website, you can see he just plays, he's just a session player. And he just came in for this one song and holy cow, that bass moves and then you have Joe Vannelli on the xylophone. Frank: [19:46] Thank you! Bill: [19:47] So those things altogether make this song what it is. And then Gino's voice is this sort of, I don't know, I'm trying to think of, he does something with it. It's different from I Just Wanna Stop. What are you thinking? Frank: [20:01] I get huge how this feels. feels. Bill: [20:03] So there's some Roy Orbison Elvis and other performers who I was thinking of that have that but the Elvis thing is really what I was thinking too. Frank: [20:15] That that hey hey hey like it's that. Bill: [20:18] Yeah. And so it's that lustiness, right? Like Elvis, even though now, at least for us growing up, I never thought of him as the this sort of sex symbol thing, but he was that thing in the 50s. And then Gino has that feel he's bringing to the table. And then you got, okay, the next section there, you can cut me deep, you can cut me down, you can cut me loose, it's okay. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. And then he goes to, you can kick and scream, you can slap my face, you can set my wheels on a high-speed chase, oh you, no matter what you do. And we go into that chorus. Is it... Frank: [20:56] No means no. Bill: [21:21] It's kind of creepy But this is the nature of these songs of that era, especially before. So it feels like it's harkening back to a 50s, 60s feel. And that's where you have this notion of this chase. There is something to it when you read these things like, ah, I don't know if I'd sing I'm saying that now, but that's not our styles when we're trying to woo women. Frank: [21:45] That is Gino style. Gino doesn't give up. again the whole Herb Alpert thing and you know speeding to see Shaman Jamie. Bill: [21:54] Yeah, "Wild horses could not drag me away from you." It is such a great line, and it works so well with all the sounds around it. And when I was a kid, I remember, this is the first time I heard a song about wild horses. And then of course years later I'm like, oh, there's a Rolling Stones song? Oh, I guess Gino was just singing a Rolling Stones song. And now the Rolling Stones song goes like this, wild horses couldn't drag me away. Frank: [22:22] Yeah. Well, it's a common saying though, too, right? Bill: [22:23] Okay. Yeah, I guess it is, yeah. And then, you know, there's, so there is a whole thing about wild horses in song. So Gino's got the, he's got the moxie to say, I'm gonna use this that Rolling Stones have used, I'm gonna use it in my song. only to be taught by Bono who's gonna use it a few years later. Frank: [22:42] The. [22:42] Yes. The feel of the song is a very Southwestern feel. Like I said, the clickety clack of the drums almost has a bit of a country edge to it. rock edge to it. Bill: [23:20] Yeah. And there's this, uh, I have written down here, evocative, erotic imagery, right? There's this sort of notion of like, it's me and you in a flatbed truck in a foot of mud, just my luck. Is that bad luck or good luck? Cause he's stuck in mud in a flatbed truck. That kind of insinuates that that's not a bad thing for him. Is it? Frank: [23:43] Yeah, I mean, if he's with her, it's a good thing because, you. Bill: [23:48] Is it? [23:48] It's a flatbed truck. Frank: [23:49] Know. Yeah, exactly. And the horses are going to get stuck in the mud too, so they can't even drag him away from her at that point. Bill: [23:54] Yeah, exactly. [23:54] Right, they could probably help to get that truck out of the mud though. Frank: [23:56] Yeah, maybe. Yeah, just get a team of horses like a chuckwagon kind of a thing. Bill: [24:02] So we have the second verse has a nice balance to it where he says, well, as the sky falls down, right? And then that's where it begins. I guess the other one is the sun is going down. Now the sky falls down from the midnight blue, spitting like bullets on a hot tin roof. Hey, hey, hey, it's a beautiful sound. And I know that sound, the sound of rain coming down on a hot summer night on a tin roof. Frank: [24:27] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like bullets. Yeah. Like he says. Bill: [24:29] Oh yeah, like bullets. Yeah. Like he said. Exactly, yeah. Oh well, it's me and you in a flatbed truck and a foot of mud, just my luck, 100 miles out of town. And so again, I guess that's good luck. Although if the rain's coming down, I don't know if you want to be in a flatbed truck. Frank: [24:46] Well, they might be inside the cab of the truck. Bill: [24:48] Okay. Frank: [24:51] Just just because it's a truck, does it in a flatbed truck doesn't mean you have to be outside in on it. Bill: [24:55] Right. If I was going to go literal, he has a tin roof on that truck and it was too hot. Don't touch the tin roof. [25:25] Again, these are images and we learn from Richard Fry. Literalism isn't needed here. just get the picture and get the feel. Frank: [25:34] Yeah, exactly. It paints a picture. Bill: [25:36] And then from there, it goes to the same line. I'm all, it's different here. He says, yeah, you can call me a fool. Frank: [25:42] No, it's different. Yeah. Bill: [25:44] You can call me blind. You can call it quits. I can't hear a word that you said, what you said. Cause if I had you once, I'm gonna have you twice. Ah, okay. I'm gonna follow my heart instead of good advice. Frank: [25:58] No, I have is that good advice. Bill: [26:03] I think it makes more sense to say instead of good advice. my heart instead of good advice. Frank: [26:08] So my reading of it was, I'll follow my heart is that good advice. It's a question. And I'm going to tell Gino here, for someone who's been a fool in love and has been blinded by love, sometimes following your heart is not good advice. You do that too often you end up like me researching while you're on Tinder. Bill: [26:31] Stuck in a foot of mud. Yeah. And then of course we go on to the wild horses. there's repeats and stuff but the feels just come through and it's incredible just the sounds of the song. Frank: [27:10] The sounds in the imagery that it paints you can feel the song. Yeah, it's very textual. Bill: [27:18] Yeah definitely I was wondering this should textual is but what was the other word you said earlier remember what was it yeah definitely not a word yeah. Frank: [27:21] Yeah, definitely not a word. [27:29] Shakespeare in Vengeant Words, why can't I? Bill: [27:34] Oh, you're not Shakespeare. Frank: [27:36] Could be. The instrumental is that syncopation? It's got to. Bill: [27:38] All right. I was wondering if this should just become a category. Take it to the bridge. So the bridge in this song must be that part where he sings a bit and then it moves to the brushes doing. It's got to be something like that. And it just is perfect because it just brings you to the end and all the good stuff going on there. And the brushes, you know, clean the floor. They do. Ah, that sounds a lot. Frank: [27:57] Be syncopation. There's a definite divide between the, song and then the ending and that just sort of takes you on a little journey. It does. The bass goes for a walk and it takes you along with it. [28:17] Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say the brush has set the pace. Bill: [28:21] Better than me going through man madry. Yeah, it's phenomenal. [28:55] Do you remember the first time you heard this song? Frank: [28:57] It's got to be early 90s, the first time that I really paid attention to it. Because I know that I've heard it, I must have heard it back in the 80s. But it was probably the early 90s when, I'm just starting to get into music and understand music. Starting to gain a small appreciation for, the stuff my parents listened to, in terms of like the Rolling Stones. So I probably heard it. and thinking it's like, that's not "Wild Horses." That's by the Rolling Stones. And then, hearing it again and listening to it. And the more I preferred this version or this the song to the Rolling Stones "Wild Horses." And I love the Rolling Stones "Wild Horses." Bill: [29:41] Yeah, I'm with you on that. I love this version. This is the version, And I would have heard it probably in the late 80s on video hits on cbc. Frank: [29:49] Oh, okay. Yeah. Bill: [29:51] Because this didn't do well in america, but with cancon regulations in canada you had to. Frank: [29:53] Because it had to have no choice but to do good. Bill: [29:59] And this is an example where cancon is great because the song is great, So for whatever reason it didn't make it over there, but we heard it over here I feel like I've heard it on the radio and they would play it on the radio I just never knew it was Gino Vannelli I wouldn't know who he was anyways then but it was a song I remember hearing cuz I played it for Ashley, This is a big test of course, Ashley's sitting next to me and I said, okay We're gonna do this song next and I play it and all I could think of is like yeah She has no idea about the song and she hears it. She goes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know this song. Frank: [30:32] She says that about a lot of songs, Bill. Bill: [30:34] But no, she was like she started humming the xylophone part She was like, whatever, I want to hum it. Yeah, and so she had it, like, okay, she knows this song. And so it is a song where people know it, even though when I say Wild Horse's Gino Vannelli, I feel like people might not be aware until they hear it and they're like, oh, I I know this. Frank: [30:53] Yeah, and even to mention Gino Vannelli, you're like, I know the name, but I have no idea what he sings. But then you say like wild horses, and you start, singing a bit of the song or I just want to stop. People know that song. So they know who Gino Vannelli is. They just don't, know who he is. Bill: [31:13] The music video is iconic. Frank: [31:16] Well, yeah. I want to say that there's a new move that I'm going to add to my dance floor repertoire. And we talked about like, there is a, There's a subtle eroticism about the song. And in the video, it's just Gino Vanell, like there's the one movie that he does where he he takes his fists and he's not pelvic thrusting, but he's just like slamming his fists on his, upper thighs and he just like and like to the beat and just like that's a new dance floor move for me. Like that that's a little bit of a transition move, but it's going to come out next time I'm on the dance floor. Bill: [31:51] You. [31:51] It's great. And so those who haven't seen the video, of course, you'll see the show notes. They'll be there, That's the only place you can hear the song if you're looking online. Frank: [32:00] Yeah, unless you buy the CD. Bill: [32:01] Unless you buy the cd like I did I would like to buy the vinyl me. I'll look for the vinyl next So let me set the picture for you. It's black and white, he's wearing A white billowy shirt not quite the pirate shirt that we would have seen in seinfeld but not too far removed from it very 80s, He's got those jeans that are they may be acid washed or stonewashed. I'm not sure Is that a stonewashed like acid wash or not at all? Wait, I think they're acid washed. Frank: [32:30] You're asking me fashion questions and I really have no answer to that. Bill: [32:33] Okay, so they're acid washed jeans I think or they're the blue acid wash style at least of that era and He's got some lighter Western boots on perhaps brown perhaps white hard to tell, So when you see him snap his fingers and then pump his fists against his thighs, he's moving with the beat, he's got the two-hand snap back and forth two-hand snaps sometimes hitting his thighs and, He's got, great hair. Frank: [33:04] Because I have it kind of playing here. Well, while we're talking about it. Everyone is sweaty. Yeah, it's the Arizona plate. Bill: [33:10] It's hot it's at least it looks hot I mean Arizona plate. It's hard to know like I keep thinking it's a carnival, but the scenes are like they're in the backyard of a hot Arizona town. Frank: [33:25] I think like raising Arizona like there's a there's a because the the laundry's out on the on the line and everything. Yeah. Bill: [33:32] Yeah, that's right because that's the background is these bedsheets that are hung up. There's a woman just sitting in her like bikini that looks like she's from the 50s maybe chewing gum and not. Frank: [33:42] Yeah, sunglasses. Yeah. Bill: [33:43] Interested. But there's also this fan beside her like those fans you see at the top of buildings that spins around. What type of fan is that? Yeah, so the condenser fan is right at her feet so it's like are they on top of a roof? But then you have a band behind him and it seems like at least one. Frank: [33:50] Well, that would be a condenser fan for an air conditioning unit. Bill: [34:02] Or two bass players at once. There's someone playing xylophone, someone playing drums, but there's, three iterations of this band. It keeps changing to these people who look like players because they don't look like anybody you would hire to act. Frank: [34:15] I'm looking at there's there's the one like bigger drummer, like he's balding wearing glasses and everything like, and I'm not here to shame, but he's not a Hollywood like attractive, man that you would like feature in a video. Bill: [34:31] There's only one person who is both out of place and totally in place and that is the it girl, So she's playing harmonica or appearing to play harmonica I'm not sure we can even see a harmonica and she's just moving with the rhythm and she is striking and She is sweating. Yes, like she's probably sweating the most which of course is very 80s. Frank: [34:45] Yeah, dancing and clapping. Yes. Yeah. Bill: [34:53] Yeah, and so Juno belly's kind of sweating but she is sweating and she's kind of like moving and and he's not, like this is the interesting thing for me in the video, is they're not set up as love interests. She's dancing around him to the music and he'll look over at her kind of, but he's not interested in her in that sort of way. Frank: [35:13] Main character of this video is the song. Bill: [35:17] And so they're moving to it and she's just kind of this character that as a viewer you're drawn to. She is totally fascinating. Alright, so here is some deep research. Two in the morning, I wake up, can't sleep. Maybe thinking about the video, I don't know. And like, I gotta figure out who this person is. So I find this article online. And let me just read the title because the title says it all. MTV It Girls. Who's the girl in the video? This is the article. Frank: [35:51] So you went, okay, you read the article, but then you went all the way through the comments. Bill: [35:52] They go through iconic ones. And then in the comment section, someone says, who's the girl in "Wild Horses?" [36:03] The comments. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I kind of typed into the search engine and then it said it had. Frank: [36:04] To find this information. Bill: [36:09] Something written there, but I had to look through and there's nothing on it. But several people wrote in the comments, who's the girl and "Wild Horses?" So clearly there are people wanting to know. So I get this name Rosetta Millington. And looking it up, like, who is she? I click on it. It's like, it's not Rosetta Millington. Someone named Rosetta Getty. Who's Rosetta Getty? So I'm I'm looking at this I see a picture of this person like well, that's her but there is nothing Linking her to the video. She is not, Unfamous She is married to Balthazar Getty who is the great-grandson of Jay Paul Getty, I believe it's Jay Paul Getty who is the richest man in the world Do you remember that movie all the money in the world? Where's about the kid who got kidnapped? That's Getty. Frank: [36:57] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Did they invite? Did they invent Getty images? Like when you? Bill: [37:00] And so his father Balthazar's father. [37:06] Yeah, the Getty no, it's all connected. Yeah, it's all connected. So. Frank: [37:09] Is it? Yeah. Okay. I was trying to be hilarious. Bill: [37:11] Yes, I think so. Anyways, I at least from what I know because there's this Getty Museum and stuff. Frank: [37:15] Oh, that's unfortunate. Bill: [37:16] And So Balthazar Getty's father is the guy who got kidnapped, in that and had his ear cut off by the mafia and all that and then had a pretty tortured life and died young. Frank: [37:27] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's unfortunate. Bill: [37:28] So Balthazar Getty was a son who never really had you know, a good father figure anyways. This is kind of going off on the side here, but it's all gonna come together. He marries Rosetta Millington who becomes Rosetta Getty who has her own clothing line. Frank: [37:42] So how does she end up in this video? Bill: [37:43] And she's like a fairly big deal from everything I see and they're worth a ton of money, like 300 million. This is before they're married. So there's no mention, she's online and everything, no mention of this video. But when you see her, that is Rosetta Getty. And she has her own line of gowns and stuff. And you can watch these videos where they talk about their life together. And the reason I'm bringing this up is She maybe inadvertently follows the theme of this song, because Balthazar Getty was not an easy person to live with because he had this very public affair with Sienna Miller in 2008. Frank: [38:26] Oh, that's right. Bill: [38:28] Oh, that's right. So everyone knew this. He had kids, like they had three or four kids, I think. And he was off for a long time with Sienna Miller and they got back together and they're still together, because wild horses could not drive Rosetta Getty away from her husband despite, yeah, very public. Frank: [38:45] His infidelity. Yeah, very public. Wow, that's crazy. Bill: [38:48] So it's crazy. So that was my deep dive research and it's totally her. And there is no connection. So I don't know if she's used her money to push down "Wild Horses." I don't know why, because it's fascinating. And as far as eight girls in a video, she's not exploited, I don't think. I mean, it's, we're guys talking about beautiful woman in a video, but she's just this fascinating figure. Frank: [39:13] Yeah, yeah. And she's not I mean, it's not an overt objectification of her in the video. It's not her front and center writhing in a bikini on a car or something like that. Bill: [39:25] No, she's not wearing the bikini the person wearing the bikini is just sitting there. Yeah, I. Frank: [39:28] Yeah, and she's completely uninterested. It's almost like a David Lynch film. Bill: [39:32] Was Heather in down yeah, that's great. It is like a David Lynch film If anything, this is what Wild at Heart should have used maybe I mean, of course, what am I saying? Frank: [39:34] I would be down. Do you know that? [39:43] Yeah, well, why would a hard? Bill: [39:44] Chris Isaac, but this has a total lynching feel and belt is our getty said David Lynch. This is not connected but is is he sees David Lynch as kind of a surrogate father to him. All these weird connections. Frank: [39:56] But. Bill: [39:59] Yeah. Either way, this video feels like Lynch. Frank: [40:03] Yeah. [40:03] It's all six degrees of Gino Vannelli. Bill: [40:06] Yeah. Thank you, Gino for Twin Peaks. So that video is so watchable. I've, I've watched it over and over again, but I also can't help but see Eugene Levy playing Gino Vannelli from the SCTV. Frank: [40:14] So. [40:20] In an SCTV parody of this, yes. Bill: [40:20] Yeah. Yeah. They did a parody of it. I just want to stop where he keeps singing and growing more and more chest hair. So that would be like when we talk about categories, if we're even heading there, we might as well. Frank: [40:26] Yeah. Bill: [40:32] Hallmark movie is like, well, it's a David Lynch movie. This belongs in a David Lynch movie. Frank: [40:35] Yeah. in David Lynch movie. Yeah. Bill: [40:37] So I can't see it as a Hallmark thing, but I can see it as a David Lynch movie. Frank: [40:41] Can we talk about Gino Vannelli in more recent pop culture history? So in 2008, Boston Celtics would play a clip of Dick Clark's American Bandstand and it's just like music playing and a bunch of people dancing and it was like you know panning through the crowd and everything and the end of this clip that they would play at Celtics games and it was always during a blowout win for the Celtics. The end of it was this bearded man wearing a very, very tight t-shirt with Gino Vannelli on it. It just said Gino, and they call it Gino time. So in 2008, Gino Vannelli is thrust into the forefront of the Boston like sort of sports pop culture history because everyone knows the guy who's dancing in video and everyone knows the shirt that he's wearing so it's Gino time so Gino Vannelli has this small little resurgence in 2008 and that's also the year that they won their last championship was 2008 so Gino Vannelli has a part of the Celtics 17th championship in the NBA. Bill: [41:53] All right, let's talk some categories. Okay. Michael Bolton. Could Michael Bolton sing this? Okay, I was actually thinking he could if he toned it down. Frank: [42:08] But you're asking a bird not to fly. Bill: [42:10] I was gonna say at the end, but he could not by the end. He just go wild. He is the wild horse. Frank: [42:15] He is the wild horse. Bill: [42:17] Now I do have another category unfair because I didn't tell you about this. But who who else could sing this and I have one person who I feel could sing this and that's Chris Isaac. Frank: [42:25] Yeah. It's fine. Oh, yeah. Well, it has that that sort of, like. Bill: [42:28] Oh yeah. Yeah. Frank: [42:30] I said, that southwestern almost rockabilly feel to it. So, yeah, who else would who else would would be able to do that? maybe John Bon Jovi and his like cowboy rock stage or Kid Rock? Okay, like Enya? Bill: [42:44] Or I could see it being like a female voice who makes it feel kind of ethereal. So maybe. Yeah. Yeah, she could. Maybe Anya. Maybe like a Phoebe Bridges or a Tori Amos? Could she do it? I'm just trying to think. Someone could do something with it. Could Jule sing this? Frank: [43:14] Yeah, I can hear Jewel singing this. Yeah, Jewel. This is your challenge. And we know you listen to the episode. So we challenge you to sing Gino Vannelli's Wild Horses and send it over to us and maybe hang out with me. Bill: [43:15] Yeah, all right, Jule. The challenge is on. [43:49] Another category here what season of the year and what time of the day does this song work best? Frank: [43:56] End of summer in the evening. Bill: [43:58] You got it, that's the answer. All right one more for you. What part of the date do you play this song on? Frank: [44:05] Okay, it's not a first date song. You know what, it's a third date song after you have a mild misunderstanding. If you're really into her, but without, you know, going creepy. Bill: [44:14] Oh, okay, Okay, because I have getting fresh written down. Not mild misunderstand. To me it seems like that would be your kind of go-to kissing song. It's a kissing song. That's a game. Frank: [44:21] Okay, well that's usually third date. [44:29] It's a kissing song. And a flatbed truck. Bill: [44:33] Yeah, all right. I mean there's one more major category we gotta get to of course. Mixed tape. Mixed tape. You got a mixed tape going? I have a mixed tape. Okay, I'll let you go first. Frank: [44:40] Okay, yeah. Mix tape. Okay. I have a mix tape. Okay, so my mix tape, the theme I went with was songs that have animal names. Bill: [44:51] Animal names? animals Okay, all right, all right, gotcha, okay. Frank: [44:51] Animals in the title. So, Like a Bird on a Wire, the Neville Brothers, Barracuda by Heart, Rock Lobster, the B-52s, A bit of an outlier here and this is just because I love the band but also the song is beautiful. Transient Whales by Toad the Wet Sprocket. Pony by Genuine. And I am ending this just for you Bill hands by Jewel. Bill: [45:30] Hands is not an animal. It's not funny anymore. This is like four, I don't know how many episodes you've done this to me, whether I've kept it in or cut it out. Okay. Frank: [45:40] No, no, no, I do have an ending for you and this one honestly is just for you. by crazy town. Bill: [45:42] Oh yeah. [45:47] Yes. Oh, what an ending. Oh, that's a great transition into my stuff. So my mixtape went with texture to quote you actually actually from an earlier episode. So after you know, Wild Horses plays or I guess your part. I'm on fire Bruce. Frank: [46:01] Oh yes! Oh good call! Bruce Springsteen can sing me a song. Bill: [46:08] Springsteen. Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah, I got the feel. Yeah. Oh, he could totally sing this. I just died in your arms tonight cutting crew. Okay. Drive the cars. Wicked Game Chris Isaac. Frank: [46:18] I will listen to this mixtape. Bill: [46:24] And then I'm gonna end with Yeah, who's gonna ride your wild horse is you too, because it has that feel and not the one that's on Octon baby, but the mix that was actually the single. It has that sort of feel as well. And it's like a scale, back Bono. And I really like that song and the wild horses fits within the Gino wild horse world. So it feels like the Gino finale is like wild horses won't drive me away. And Bono is like. Frank: [46:47] Yes, yeah. Bill: [46:53] Who's gonna ride your wild horses? There's there's something going on there. It is the Gino verse. Yeah, I felt really good. I spent a lot of time on this. I do have something else. Gino is so weird. When he's interviewed, he doesn't Frank: [46:56] It's all in the Genoverse. Yeah. That's a great mixtape. Bill: [47:09] even bother talking about "Wild Horses". He only wants to really talk about his spiritual journey. I just don't want to hear about it. I want to hear about "Wild Horses," Gino! I don't want to hear about the ego and you're Carl Jung. I just want to hear - Frank: [47:20] I just want you to stop and tell me all the things about you baby.   Bill: [47:24] Exactly. So I am so glad we got to talk about a song that's not easy to find on Spotify, that's, not easy to find anywhere. Yeah, that you'd have to go on Amazon and look for dreamers never sleep if you wanted to get a CD copy of this. Frank: [48:00] Yeah, or write Bill, he might be able to send you his. Bill's like a CD library. He can he lends them out and they do come back sometimes. Yeah, and the song I think is critically. Bill: [48:09] They do. You know what? are still an awesome way of listening to music. Frank: [48:17] Critically underappreciated. Like we said, it did very well in Canada, but in the broader North America really didn't chart but such a such a good song such a really really good song and a visceral song, you can feel it. You can feel everything that he's singing. It is so good. Bill: [48:39] Yeah, I can't help but gush over this and so, you know, we don't do irony anyways, We like to joke around we don't do irony and this song is incredible. So if you're out there And you know this song but haven't been able to sort of place it anywhere. We're here for you, and, We want you to know that no matter what's going on in the world, wild horses won't drag us away from bringing guilt-free pleasures to you. Frank: [49:13] Thank you for listening.  

What is biblical literalism? Should all of the Bible be interpreted literally? What about allegories and figures of speech?

Indifference. When we are caught between life's polarities, significance and meaninglessness,  ritual and logic, feeling and thinking, assertiveness and indecision . . . we often experience feelings of apathy and indifference. However, sometimes indifference helps us to not take things too literally and to help us see through to the symbolic meaning hidden within our experiences. . .. . . and sometimes it just feels frustrating as shit. Come with us as we try to unpack the paradoxes we're currently grappling with. Along the way, we also discuss Hillman's notion of Soul-making, polytheism v. monotheism, the dangers of literalism, Black Panther, and more!

There are a lot of thinks the Lord says in the synoptic gospels, and consequently there are a lot of things believers today like to explain away. Now, if you think that means that I want believers today to take the Lord's words literally and start obeying them, you'd be quite wrong! We do need to take the Lord literally (when he speaks plainly), but I'm not pretending he's talking to me. If you think he's talking to you, go read the Lord's words and ask yourself if what he says is even possible today. We tackle this issue in today's podcast.

Rob joins us to talk a little Apologetics and some of his more focused work, as well as a little about himself. Rob Rowe:

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Please support the show at https://www.patreon.com/friendlyatheistpodcast. Donors now get access to a new BONUS episode. Jessica and I sat down to talk about several stories from the past week involving religion and politics. — Please join our Discord server! — Why are insane Christians cheering the destruction of the Georgia Guidestones? (1:16)  — A record-low 20% of Americans say the Bible is literally true. (10:50) — A right-wing activist said on a hot mic that she prays with Supreme Court justices. (19:55) — The Biden administration is not trying to "promote atheism worldwide." (38:35) — Florida's civics teachers are being indoctrinated with Christian Nationalism. (52:55) — For many evangelicals, God and guns are linked together. (1:02:26) — 12 Christians were arrested in Australia after the "faith-healing" death of a child. (1:12:18) — Should elders in the Jehovah's Witnesses have control of your files? (1:15:42)

Happy 4th of July! On today's episode, Sadie explains to Gavri'el exactly where the idea of Christian Nationalism comes from, and why so many Christians in the United States believe that America is supposed to be a Christian nation. Note: We recorded this episode several weeks prior to the US Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v. Wade. Because of this, we make MANY jokes about topics that are REALLY not very funny in the light of that ruling. We hope you'll keep that in mind as you listen. An Extended version of this episode is available at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Profits from all pride-themed merch go to Point of Pride, an organization that provides resources for trans and nonbinary people across the United States, including in Texas and Florida Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/artist/6lB7RwSQ9X5gnt1BDNugyS?si=jVhmqFfYRSiruRxekdLgKA. Join our Facebook Discussion group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/ https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/ https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/LeavingEdenPod https://twitter.com/HellYeahSadie https://twitter.com/GavrielHacohen Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LeavingEdenPodcast https://www.facebook.com/GavrielHaCohen --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/leavingedenpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/leavingedenpodcast/support

Each week we're choosing one of the things that most trouble people today about Christianity. The problem with Christianity we now come to centers around the Bible. Many people in a place like New York would say this: “There are many good things in the Bible, but you shouldn't take every word of it literally. There are legends in there. Don't insist on it being entirely trustworthy and completely authoritative in everything it says.” What do we say to that? I'd like to argue (to the contrary, of course) that you should trust the Bible. You can and should trust the Bible in three ways: historically, culturally, and, most of all, personally. This sermon was preached by Dr. Timothy Keller at Redeemer Presbyterian Church on November 5, 2006. Series: The Trouble with Christianity: Why It's So Hard to Believe it. Scripture: Luke 1:1-4; 24:13-32. Today's podcast is brought to you by Gospel in Life, the site for all sermons, books, study guides and resources from Timothy Keller and Redeemer Presbyterian Church. If you've enjoyed listening to this podcast and would like to support the ongoing efforts of this ministry, you can do so by visiting https://gospelinlife.com/give and making a one-time or recurring donation.

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Our ism considers the right and wrong kinds of literalism. Plus, how we can enjoy more heaven right now.

Pour yourself a wee dram of whisky and tune in as Matt and Dru talk with Iain Provan about the perils and benefits of literal(istic) interpretation of Scripture and his new book The Reformation and the Right Reading of Scripture (Baylor, 2017). In addition to some great convo, in this episode you'll witness the special guest appearance of an Eastern European thought leader, and a new edition of 'How Scottish Are You?' This is a republished episode.  The post Iain Provan – On Reading the Bible Literally first appeared on OnScript.

Pour yourself a wee dram of whisky and tune in as Matt and Dru talk with Iain Provan about the perils and benefits of literal(istic) interpretation of Scripture and his new book The Reformation and the Right Reading of Scripture (Baylor, 2017). In addition to some great convo, in this episode you'll witness the special guest appearance of an Eastern European thought leader, and a new edition of 'How Scottish Are You?' This is a republished episode.  The post Iain Provan – On Reading the Bible Literally first appeared on OnScript.

Gen 1:27, 2:4, 2:7, 2:8-25, 3:1-3, John 6:53-55, 1 Peter 3:3

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Are you Prepared?Ephesians IntroMuch talk of being prepared for the ugly times ahead that many are predicting and encouraging you to be prepared for the worst but hope for the best. Much talk about the loss of strength and power of the United States but with all that talk, I don't hear much talk about being spiritually prepared for what is coming at the end of this Church Age.Barna Group Statistics claimed that:91% of Adult Believers do not have a Biblical World View. 98% Percent of Millilenial Believers do not have a Biblical World View. As shocking and appalling as that is, it is not a surprise to me for the Bible plainly tells us that there will be a falling away of believers from the truth of God's word, and turning away from God. When I was young and learning the Word and then sharing with others I was always reminded about the saying that the Truth of the scriptures is only one generation away from being lost forever. With statistics like this, it looks like we are very close to another prophecy, a forth telling of God's word that may soon come to light. In this Church Age we are to defend the faith and keep the scriptures pure and yet if we look around we see more opinions than doctrines. For quite some time, words have been changed to confuse listeners and attacks on absolute truth have made way fro circular logic. Such Non-conclusionists give us pretty firm absolute comments when their aim is to convince others that they are not irrational in their belief of differentiating knowledge from belief and then question belief to deny religious truth. For example Nihalists that “believe” that all values are baseless and reject the general, fundamental aspects of human existence, such as “objective truth” which is just another example of circular non-logic. They say it is not provable to the intellectual theist, only interpretive. Which makes me wonder how they can believe that statement since they can't believe in anything. So, a ”religious” fear, would overwhelm their so called “rational thought”, with their truth being science, technology and evolution. In the end with these “beliefs” they are only “closer to their truth” with no real conclusion as the circular logic goes round and round. Sure makes for great intellectual conversations, but we were warned that these last days that the longer the King is gone, the worse it will be and the endless intellectual conversations, and quest for intellectual interpretiveness, will not bring them to the the knowledge of the Truth. God has clearly said to take hold of the truth, but where are we to find it in a world where the meaning of words are being changed to confuse and divide. How are we to gather a Literal, foundation of the truth if Literalism now defines literal as a bad word. It wouldn't be so bad if these things were going on outside of the church because we wouldn't expect unbelievers to act according to the scriptures, but it goes deep into the heart of the churches which is reflected in the statistics we heard earlier. Another saying from days past that has swirled about is “Don't preach to the Choir” God is also clear when He says, judgement begins at the House of God, perhaps it's time to preach to the choir once more. Now that we are finished with the Book of Ruth, it might be time for a “spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down,” Oh wait no, that's from a fairytale. Time for some doctrine and definitions along with application in the arena of life. Gather your notebook, and pen or pencil, and listen in as we begin with some background and History of the culture. Let's grab hold of the truth together as we dig into the Book of Ephesians. Historical BackgroundCultural InsightsEphesians...

There are real dangers in taking everything the Bible says literally. Snake handlers really believe that theirs is a necessary element to fulfilling the word of God, based solely on a single controversial passage in the Gospel of Mark. What makes people hop on this particular bandwagon KNOWING that they could literally die on it? We look at that question and more this week along with three more stories from the files of Christians behaving badly.  Like what you hear? Please consider becoming a patron: https://www.patreon.com/unboundpodcastnetwork

Welcome the Bakersfield Museum of Art podcast. This audio series offers entertaining and informative discussion about arts and events at the Bakersfield Museum of Art. The Bakersfield Museum of Art's mission is to inspire and engage diverse audiences by providing a broad spectrum of creative visual arts experiences through exhibitions, educational programs, and community outreach. In a similar fashion, we hope this podcast expounds upon themes in contemporary art and art history. On the evening of November 18, 2021 BMoA hosted a group of artists whose work is included in our current exhibition “On the Edge: Los Angeles Art 1970s – 1990s from the Joan and Jack Quinn Family Collection” for an unforgettable symposium. During two separate panel discussions that evening exhibiting artists discussed their experience of working in Los Angeles during the decades that both established Los Angeles as an art counter market to the European art scene, and saw a diversification in the art styles, materials, artists being covered. This episode of the BMoA podcast is a recording of the first panel discussion that evening: California Ethos: Conceptualism and Literalism. Moderated by BMoA Curator of Exhibitions and Collections Rachel McCullah Wainwright, On the Edge artists Don Bachardy, Gregory Wiley Edwards, Astrid Preston, Allen Ruppersberg talk about how social upheaval reverberated through the art world of Los Angeles, the network that developed between artists and the collectors who championed their work, and how the California Cool ethos informed those artists' work.  

What does it mean to "take the Bible literally"? Is all scripture meant to be interpreted in a literal sense? What do we even mean by "literal"? Pastor Josiah and Ethan have an honest discussion about this nuanced topic. Literally.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses; it is the sigh of the oppressed."- Karl Marx. The Evangelical Christian church and the US Government have the same goals, and they protect the same interests--that of the agenda of white male supremacist, capitalist, ableist, homophobic, transphobic patriarchy. The church's hidden intentions are as bad as the US Government and that is why they will never tax the church. They are in bed together with the goal of trying to make docile, meek, and mild believers who will never question the status quo. Let's Get Free! Be Sure To Like and Subscribe. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/support

On this episode of Surviving Fundamentalism, we discuss the concept of hell and original sin. We also denounce the ideology that Humankind is inherently bad, evil, or fallen--forever in debt to Jesus as an eternal victim of our "sins". We all have the potential to be good...to be cultivated and nurtured in the fullness of love while showing up in that fullness for everyone around us. This is the beginning of the inner workings of faith--love incarnate.  --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/support

In part one of the Biblical Literalism series, we discuss the importance of examining the Judeo-Christian text with Jewish eyes. We search together for answers surrounding the true meaning of Matthew's ahistorical genealogy; we discuss the reason he decides to add the virgin birth to his narrative, despite it not being written about in the slightly older book of Mark, which Matthew certainly borrowed from; we also discuss Matthew intention in paralleling Moses' and Jesus' stories, and how Isaiah's supposed messianic prophecy may have really been about King Hezekiah, as it was addressed to his father Ahaz. Also included in this week's Storytime segment, I discuss my call to ministry--when I began feeling the call, the prophecies spoken over my life, how I was licensed, and how I navigated high school as a teenage preacher. Thank You For Listening --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/survivingfundamentalism/support

Fr. Stephen Freeman looks at the notion of "allegory" as it is used in the New Testament and in the Orthodox worldview. He also considers the true nature of "literalism" and how we should understand it.

A book can't "proceed from the Father." A book can't be one with the Father. God didn't send a book, he sent his Son. CS Lewis says, "It is Christ himself, NOT the Bible, who is the true Word of God."

A book can't "proceed from the Father." A book can't be one with the Father. God didn't send a book, he sent his Son. CS Lewis says, "It is Christ himself, NOT the Bible, who is the true Word of God."

The problem with the Bible is in the beginning. Genesis: that masterful piece of writing, that somehow causes so much confusion. Throughout college and young adulthood, my interactions with Christians that read the Bible literally caused me to turn away. Typically the extreme views of the inerrant word bothered me, and here I'm referring to ostrich-head-in-the-sand type of claims like that of the Universe being only 6,000 years old or people co-existing with dinosaurs. Unfortunately, at that time I deemed those extreme views as default positions of religion, as I spun further away from any and all religion.I felt exactly like St. Augustine, who said some 1600 years ago: “I was being killed by the Old Testament passages when I took them literally.” (Confessions p109, p414) This ability of ancient writers, from Augustine to St. Paul to Homer, to nail the exact feeling I have often surprises me, although it shouldn't. There is a massive trove of wisdom from our ancestors, from all cultures.In college I had taken New Testament and Old Testament classes, thumbing over much of the Bible. What I found enjoyable as a child were the stories, such as the Creation, the Garden of Eden, the Tower of Babel, the fascinating stories of the lineage of Jacob and Joseph. But in college I began to read closer and find the discrepancies with modernity, such as the rainbow being a sign of a covenant with Noah as opposed to refracted light exposing the spectrum to our eyes. Another example that had me laughing was the reference to mathematical Pi in First Kings. This error of Pi = 3 instead of Pi = 3.14… blew my mind, as the infallible book had mistaken one of the most common facts that every school child knows.Then he made the molten sea; it was made with a circular rim, and measured ten cubits across, five in height, and thirty in circumference. (1 Kings 7:23)Pi equals 3? No, no, stop right there: Rainbows and Pi had known answers, they were not signs and approximations. The teacher explained away the difference, the glaring error, but I could see the wizard behind the curtain now, nobody was fooling me any longer! About the same time the movement surrounding the “Historical Jesus” became known to me and I fortified my doubt with books and materials from the “Jesus Seminar” effort, which I now find to be aptly described as"Hot-Tub Religion" -- a Christanity with all of the pleasures and none of the pains -- the theological equivalent of Diet Coke.Thus, in college and for years afterward, I read the Bible literally and drained it of magic and miracle, much like Thomas Jefferson did with his Bible using a razor to carve out all miracles.The funny thing was that I had become the literalist. Fundamentalists and atheists read the Bible literally in every book. As time has passed and I've grown older, I've noticed that extremists, religious or non-religious, from the political left or the political right - these people are almost identical mirrors of each other.Well, my teacher attempted to explain the problem of Biblical literalism to me, but I had no interest in listening by that time. Both professors that I had on religious topics, I rejected, despite their knowledge far exceeding my own on the subject. On my term papers, the teacher would mark up my smart-ass comments and suggest that the rainbow could be a symbol, or that Pi need not be precise to the decimal in order to get the basic shape of a circle.Sometimes you have to read a book three times to get the point. Actually, reading a book at different phases of the journey can provide new takeaways, as I know this from reading and re-reading Moby Dick and 1984 and The Brothers Karamazov and other masterpieces as I cruise through the five acts of my own life's play. The problem with reading the Bible literally as a fundamentalist does is that it becomes robotic and feels spoon-fed. The problem with reading the Bible literally from the modern scientific view, as if the books were peer-reviewed academic papers, is that the context of the culture and the genre becomes lost in minor details that miss the entire purpose.The change and awareness about literalism happened for me through a video, not a book. A short moment of teaching, of hearing something that I had heard many years before, shattered my cynicism in a moment.I caught a video series called “Symbolon” that spelled out the difference between “literally” and “literarily.” One syllable. A few letters. It makes all the difference in the world to me.The Catholic approach to Scripture is different from the fundamentalist view, which reads Scripture in a literalistic way. To discern the truth God put in Scripture, we must interpret the Bible literarily, remembering that God speaks to us in a human way, through the human writers of Scripture. That means that we examine the context and intent of the author for any given passage.-From Symbolon (session 3)The power of one syllable is stunning. Literally vs literarily makes a world of difference, and was a huge stepping stone to faith. In fact, as far as the power of one syllable goes, consider this: superlative and superlaxative are also only one syllable of difference, but what a difference in meaning.I guess the problem was always this: I felt gullible and stupid swallowing the “literal” pill. Honestly, I think that was always the problem, from when an adult first told me to “Just believe and not ask questions,” that response knocked me back so far that I couldn't get over it.Alongside that, I failed to remember and realize that the people from two thousand and three thousand years ago also were not stupid. They survived and withstood hardships that my generation could not fathom. Their grasp of knowledge had a depth far beyond our own in seeing the world without the knowledge that has been revealed through science over the past two hundred years. I suspect if you threw the people from today back into the era of Moses, we would have gladly remained in Egypt unless he would have promised Netflix and porn on the other side of the Red Sea. Furthermore, the average person today, who so cleverly knows how to use appliances and technology, would be utterly useless in the ancient times and have no clue how to teach and apply any modern knowledge to their world, since we are all specialized and sharpened to very specific tasks today.The difference between literally and literarily is but a single syllable, but the alteration in understanding leaps forward. I feel that this point of Catholic teaching has been buried for a long time and should be trumpeted from the Pope himself. Of course, it has been, I just wasn't listening. If I could be so turned off by the literal readers turning the Bible into a square peg for a round hole, surely many others also felt that way. I think that's why books like Moby Dick became so fascinating to me, because those were meant to be read for the deeper meaning, not the superficial “whiteness of the whale” that Ahab was so angry about. Reading Moby Dick literally would ruin the story. The book would be complete garbage if read literally instead of literarily.I love books and literature, and I do believe that the many years of literal, fundamentalist voices claiming Biblical authority led to the demise of many individual faiths like mine. I could be wrong, and I often am, but I don't think I'm alone.I mentioned Bishop Barron earlier, because he is articulating the thoughts that I failed to muster. Seeds of ideas about faith that I had, he has brought to full bloom. In the Word on Fire Bible, an introduction discusses how to approach to the Bible. I used to laugh about this question, as I recall a college professor talking about “How should we approach William Blake?” As I can't resist crudeness, I always thought this sounded like we might be going to kidnap him. I guess we should approach William Blake from behind, at night, with a dark van.Sorry, another digression. Brevity is the soul of wit, and vigorous writing is concise. I'll try to remember that.Barron discusses in “How to approach the Bible” the solution to my inability to appreciate the book with five strategies. In my post-college years I did pick up the Bible once and decide that I would just read the whole thing again, as a piece of literature rather than revelation, as I had wanted it to be literature, but felt that dogma disallowed that type of reading. Well, reading Genesis is fun, and Exodus, but once I reached the laws of Leviticus I stopped. I couldn't do it. I moved on to some science fiction and stayed there for a few years.My approach to the Bible as a single book does not work. The idea that the Bible should be taken literally is a pointless question, because every book is a different genre. The Bible is not one book, but many books, and you have to read each book wearing the proper hat. Is it poetry or history? Is it a prophet speaking or a third-person narrator? When Genesis is read literarily, it truly is a magnificent piece of literature and speaks with great meaning, the deepest thoughts, and answers the questions of the hungry heart.Too bad I didn't know this long ago, but the Catechism spells it out pretty plainly, that Catholics do not read the Bible literally.The account of the fall in Genesis uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents. (CCC 390)In addition to that, the Catechism points this out rather bluntly, I just never bothered to read it.In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words. In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking, and narrating then current. (CCC 109-110)So that's kind of embarrassing, for me anyway, when I think of my past editorials at parties and comments to tear down religion. I knew everything, but somehow didn't know this. Weird. I wonder what else I didn't know.That distinction of how to read the Bible really was the largest block on my ability to proceed. If I could understand the “First Cause” and know that God had to exist, and allow myself an honest and intellectual look at the Bible versus a rote-learning pill-swallowing reading, this could be the start of something great.The other four point of approaches to the Bible from Barron also knocked over some problematic things for me. Here's the whole list of five things that demolished a wall between me and faith:Be attentive to the genre of each book. For example, Psalms is not a history book, so don't read it like one.The Bible is a one book but it is a library, and it tells one story, the unfolding of a great drama.“Any interpretation of a biblical passage that militates against the love of God and neighbor is necessarily a bad interpretation.” St. Augustine said that love of God and neighbor is “the ultimate criterion for correct biblical reading.”Distinguish between what “is in the Bible and what the Bible teaches” for there is an “awful lot of cultural baggage from the ancient world.” Look for the overarching themes and meaning as a whole.The ultimate purpose of all books is the dying and rising of Jesus Christ and to “draw all people into communion” with Him.The third item struck home because so often the “love” appears lost in modern arguments, especially in the online world of vitriolic commentary between those with and without faith, and even between those with different flavors of faith. In many cases the faithful seem to struggle with that point as badly or even worse than those who doubt. Once again, I wonder how many people have fallen away from faith because of bad interpretations? If you read the Bible literally instead of literarily you can get off-track and forget to take the love potion. The fact that anyone could reference the Bible for pro-slavery arguments sums up the problem of “literal” readings, because there is much talk of slavery in the Bible from the culture and setting - but the entire purpose of the overarching story is to love God and your neighbor. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.whydidpetersink.com

Dr Michael Heiser, author of "The Unseen Realm" and host of "The Naked Bible Podcast", joins us to talk about his testimony, what is a "Deuteronomy 32 world-view", and what role the Leviathan played in creation. We learn all about the supernatural in the Bible, Dr Heiser's views on literalism, and a whole lot more. This was a very rich theological discussion! . Make a one-time donation: Cashapp $wholechurch . Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/thewholechurchpodcast . Subscribe to our show: https://the-whole-church-podcast.captivate.fm/listen . Rate us & leave a review: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-whole-church-podcast-104837 . Sign up for our newsletter: thewholechurch@gmail.com . Follow us on Social: facebook.com/thewholechurchpodcast Twitter @thewholechurch Instagram @wholechurchpodcast

Biblical literalism—i.e. reading the Bible literally and historically—has become synonymous with the Christian faith. But what if we told you that it's not the original (nor most faithful) interpretation of Hebrew and Christian sacred texts? It can be terrifying to even consider not reading them from that lens, since we've been taught for so long that any other lens is heretical. But our conversation with Father Brendan Ellis Williams invites us all into a deeper, more transformative perspective of the Bible.Follow Fr. Brendan on Instagram.For show notes, click here or go to holyheretics.org.Follow us on social media! Twitter: @holyheretics | Instagram: @holyhereticspodcast | Facebook: @holyhereticsCreditsThis episode was produced by The Sophia Society. Music is by Faith in Foxholes, and sound engineering is by Joshua Mudge.

Chris Galloway joins us again to talk about his views on Biblical literalism and how we can be united with those who may read the Bible differently than us. AND we announce our new seires! Follow us on Patreon: patreon.com/thewholechurchpodcast

During the past two live episodes, we began to look into the specific root language in the earliest parts of the sacred text Christians know as the Bible. What we have learned is that some of the most basic concepts utilized by the leaders of what I am calling the Mistaken Christianity—the literalistic teachings of fundamentalism—are based in mistranslations of that text and turn out, therefore, to be false. Today we will continue and finalize that discussion moving into what has come to be known as the New Testament to look at the root language of some of the most basic concepts of modern-day Christianity. The root language turns out to be very different from what these teachers are teaching. Don't miss it.

Last week we began to look into the specific root language in the ancient book we know of today as the book of Genesis. What we learned was that some of the most basic concepts in the Mistaken Christianity—the literalistic teachings of fundamentalism—are based in mistranslations of that text. Today we will continue that discussion adding more to our understanding of what we are actually being told in the sacred text of the Christian Bible about being spiritual beings having a human experience. Don't miss it.

In week two of The Christian Dilemma Pastor David Eiffert talks to us about literalism and how valuable the Gospels are.Stay up to date with everything going on at Believers Center by following us on Facebook, Instagram, and downloading our BC app!

In Episode 91, the lads talk about a study done by David Haskell that shows a link between church growth and conservative theology. They explore potential reasons for this as well as what it means for ministry practice, particularly in a post-Christian context. Read The Guardian Article: goo.gl/WmCgDV Listen on iTunes: https://goo.gl/hRnE2o Listen on Stitcher: http://goo.gl/ItvSN5 Follow the Graveyard Shift on Twitter: https://goo.gl/Ea8GxZ Support the Show on Patreon: https://goo.gl/BOSFEx Buy Graveyard Shift T-Shirts & Merchandise: goo.gl/GihkVr