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Send us Fan MailShow Notes:1:35 Patrick McGranaghan's background 2:45 McGranaghan's work with Pierre Valentin3:05 focus on collision of culture and infrastructure4:45 “evidential fog” around AI in the arts6:00 abstract nature of these AI issues 7:00 his writing on these issues to navigate these issues8:30 EU's AI framework “recognizes the structural nature of the problem” – can't be minor updates to old copyright debates, “AI creates problems of scale, opacity and jurisdictional arbitrage that traditional legal categories do not solve very elegantly.” 10:00 incentive for jurisdiction shopping11:40 Getty v. Stability AI in the UK 14:05 EU AI Act's extraterritorial obligations 15:00 EU AI Act, Article 53: general purpose models brought into EU must comply with EU copyright law, including opt out reservations; and detailed summary of training data17:55 UK's approach is more exposed to loopholes19:25 opt in versus opt out systems21:35 Kadrey v. Meta 22:55 the burden placed on creators by the opt out system 25:45 sporadic licensing deals and unclear remuneration standard27:30 interoperability 28:40 impact of robots.txt31:15 Alan Robertshaw re: impact of AI on the practice of law34:50 AI defamation cases36:20 McGranaghan - need for lawyers regardless of AI37:25 Robertshaw - legal professions' varied approaches to AI38:55 AI and astronomy40:30 moral conflict with not compensating artists43:00 justices/injustices related to AI46:45 market harm created by AI49:25 definition of justice 53:05 protections that artists can use, e.g., robots.txt, metadata, units based protection, Glaze and Nightshade 58:00 mark Patrick hopes to make around AI and art Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

In Episode 496 of the Reformed Brotherhood, Tony Arsenal and Jesse Schwamb open with a rich discussion on the theology of congregational singing — including the Trinity Psalter Hymnal, the Getty's Sing!, and why psalm-singing belongs at the heart of Christian worship. The main event, however, is the first installment of their study of the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14–30). Tony and Jesse argue that this parable is widely misread as a lesson in personal productivity or spiritual gift deployment, when in fact its center of gravity is entirely eschatological and theological: the wicked servant's failure is not financial incompetence — it is a catastrophic misunderstanding of who the master is, and therefore, who he himself is as a servant of that master. Key Takeaways The parable is eschatological, not motivational. Situated in Matthew 25 as the second of three eschatological parables in the Olivet Discourse, the Parable of the Talents answers the disciples' question about the sign of Christ's coming — not a general lesson about using your abilities for God. "Talents" refers to an enormous monetary sum, not personal giftedness. A single talent represented roughly 20 years of a laborer's wages. Even the least-endowed servant received an immense, unearned gift — which makes the wicked servant's inaction all the more indefensible. The wicked servant's problem is theological, not financial. He doesn't bury the talent out of ignorance or fear alone — he actively mischaracterizes the master as exploitative and unjust. His failure is a failure of theology: he does not know who his master is. The commendation "Well done, good and faithful servant" is the basic reward of every believer, not a tiered prize for the most productive. The five-talent and two-talent servants receive identical commendations, suggesting the measure is proportional faithfulness, not absolute output. Faithful stewardship is active, not passive. Both faithful servants are marked by immediacy and energetic engagement. The parable does not explain how they doubled their talents because the mechanics are not the point — their disposition of active, risk-taking faithfulness is. The parable resists works-righteousness readings. Whether one is Augustine or an anonymous deathbed convert, every justified believer enters into the same joy of the master. The parable is not a theology of graduated heavenly rewards but a distinction between those who understand their master and those who do not. The talents represent the stewardship of the Gospel and the Kingdom itself. The master entrusting his servants with his property is a picture of Christ entrusting the church with the message of salvation — ownership remains with the master, the servants are stewards, not proprietors. Key Concepts The Wicked Servant's Problem Is Who He Thinks the Master Is The most common misreading of this parable locates the wicked servant's failure in laziness or timidity — he was simply too afraid to act. But Tony Arsenal argues compellingly that the servant's own words expose something far more serious. He says, "I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow." This is not a confession of fear; it is an accusation. The servant has constructed a theology of his master as an exploitative, unjust overseer who doesn't deserve a return. What he catastrophically misses is that the very possession of 20 years' worth of wages — an unearned, unimaginable gift — is the master sowing into him. His refusal to act is, at its root, a refusal to acknowledge the master's generosity and authority. This is the parable's most penetrating theological edge. "Well Done" Is for Every Believer, Not Just the Most Productive One of the episode's most pastorally significant observations is Tony's argument that the commendation "Well done, good and faithful servant — enter into the joy of your master" is not reserved for spiritual high-achievers. Because the five-talent and two-talent servants receive word-for-word identical commendations despite wildly different absolute returns, the logical entailment is that the one-talent servant, had he been faithful, would have received the same words. This means the commendation is not calibrated to productivity — it is the basic inheritance of every believer who enters glory. The soul-winner and the deathbed convert, Augustine and the unknown faithful, all hear the same welcome. The parable is therefore not teaching a graduated hierarchy of heavenly reward, but a binary distinction: those who know their master and act accordingly, and those who do not. The Parable Cannot Be Detached from Its Eschatological Context Jesse Schwamb is careful to anchor the parable in its literary and theological context: this is the second of three eschatological parables in Matthew 25, all part of the Olivet Discourse, all delivered in direct response to the disciples' question about the sign of Christ's return and the end of the age. Detaching the Parable of the Talents from that frame — and reading it instead as a general productivity principle or a theology of spiritual gifts — drains it of what Jesse calls its "gravity." The master going away and returning after a long time is a direct image of the ascended Christ and his parousia. The servants' task during the interval is not self-improvement or career stewardship — it is watchful, active discipleship in the time between the first and second comings. Everything in the parable, including the staggering sums of money, is calibrated to that eschatological frame. Memorable Quotes The real difference is that the former servants understood that their master had trusted them with a task and expected something of them, and the unfaithful, wicked, lazy servant had a total misunderstanding of who the master was — and therefore what his role as the master's servant was. That's the point of this parable. — Tony Arsenal Well done, good and faithful servant — that's not a special commendation that only the most amazing Christian servants get. That's the basic commendation that every Christian who enters into glory will receive. Whether you have been the most productive soul-winner in the world... you're going to receive the same commendation as the person who dies, and on their deathbed the last thing that they think is, 'I trust Jesus.' — Tony Arsenal God's measure of faithfulness is proportional, not absolute. The two-talent servant is not judged by the five-talent standard. He is judged by what he received. — Jesse Schwamb Full Transcript [00:00:08] Tony Arsenal: that's not a special commendation that only the most amazing Christian servants get, right? That's the basic commendation that every Christian who enters into glory will receive. Whether you have been the most productive soul-winner in the world, whether you are the most, you know, the most sanctified Christian who's ever lived, whether you are, the most amazing person and millions of people have come to faith because of your ministry, you're going to receive the same commendation as the person who dies, and on their deathbed the last thing that they think is, I trust Jesus." Right. And they've produced no converts, no ministry, and maybe no one even knows that they were justified, because in their final moments before the lights went out, they trusted in Jesus, right? They hear the same well done, good and faithful servant when they enter into glory. Welcome to episode 496 of the Reformed Brotherhood. I'm Jesse.  And I'm Tony, and this is the podcast with ears to hear. Hey, brother.  [00:01:19] Jesse Schwamb: Hey, brother.  [00:01:21] Parable Teaser [00:01:21] Jesse Schwamb: You know, the parables just keep coming for us, like we've said. And on this episode, to, just to tee it up, to whet everybody's appetites, we've got three servants, one absent master, an uncomfortable amount of money. What could go wrong? Yeah. As it turns out, quite a bit, especially if you're the kind of person who responds to divine generosity by finding the nearest shovel. So we're gonna get to all of that in this, what I call, this now sandwich of eschatological parables or teachings of Jesus in Matthew 25. So hopefully you're curious, hopefully you're stoked. But you can go put your thumb right in the scriptures there, because you're gonna meet us there very, very, very, very shortly. But first we got business. It's always the business we must do, the part of the podcast where we affirm with something or deny against something. And as always, I'm really curious what you have, and now I understand you have a list, or you're keeping a list. So- I do ... never again will there be something like that falls to the cutting room floor, brothers and sisters. Tony is always gonna have for us whatever was- ... what came to his brilliant mind as an affirmation or denial at any point, day or night.  [00:02:29] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. Do you, Jesse, do you ever have... I know the answer to this question is going to be yes- Yeah. That's good ... but I'm gonna ask it- All right ... mostly for rhetorical effect here. This is good podcasting.  [00:02:38] Psalm 67B Praise [00:02:38] Tony Arsenal: Do you have, do you have those situations where, like, the, the so- a song hits you, and it's just, like, the right combination of words, but also the right combination of, like, musicality?  [00:02:49] Jesse Schwamb: For sure.  [00:02:50] Tony Arsenal: Where it just, like, it just, it just feels- For sure like, right and good in every part of your being. So- All the time, yep ... I, I'm affirming, um, th- this is like the most Presbyterian thing ever. I'm affirming the, the arrangement in the Trinity, uh, psalter hymnal for Psalm 67B. Now, I'm not gonna try to sing it for you, but I wanna read the words, because obviously it's, it's a paraphrase of a psalm. So, like, that's the first thing. Like, people, like, calm down. Like, it's okay to sing paraphrases. It's okay to sing. No one is actually singing the Hebrew psalms. Right. Amen. So, like, just calm down a little bit. Amen. Uh, there is a place for us to dedicate specific focus to psalms and songs that are from the psalms, but that can be something like Better Is One Day. Like, that's a song from a psalm. Anyway, that's a whole different, that's a whole different thing. Yes, I'm affirming psalm singing. Uh, yes, I'm denying overly rigid understandings of what that is. But here's the words for Psalm 67, Setting B. That's important It's, "O God, show mercy to us and bless us with your grace and cause to shine upon us the brightness of your face, so that the whole world over may truly know your way and so that your salvation all nations see displayed. O God, let peoples praise you. Let all the peoples praise. Let nations come rejoicing and songs of gladness rise, raise." Then, um, stanza two, "For you will judge the peoples with perfect equity. To nations of the whole Earth a governor you'll be. O God, let the peoples praise you. Let all the peoples praise. The Earth has brought its bounty throughout its harvest days.  [00:04:24] Why Sing Psalms [00:04:24] Tony Arsenal: Since God our God will bless us, yes, God will blessing send, that all the Earth may fear Him to its remotest end." Now, there are lots of really great, uh, theologically sound, edifying hymns and worship choruses, but there's just something about the Psalms, right? It's inspired- Um- ... it's perfect. Again, like I said, nobody is singing the actual Hebrew Psalms, or even, I shouldn't say nobody, most people are not singing, like, the Psalms from the ESV, right? These are almost all paraphrases. They're, they're translations. But there's just something about the Psalms that I have grown so much to appreciate since joining a Presbyterian church. That's not to say other traditions don't sing Psalms in their own right, and again, like, we would sing Better Is One Day and other songs that were based on Psalms. Um, even, like, real direct translations or real direct versions of Psalms, like Better Is One Day or Create In Me A Clean Heart, there's all sorts of them. But there's just something about singing the Psalms, and this particular musical setting, it's triumphant, but not in the, like, fanfare kind of triumphant. Do you know what I mean, Jesse? Like- Mm-hmm ... it's, it's a triumphant melody, and it has, like, really interesting rises and falls and... So I, I'm gonna probably try to put this at the end of the episode. So listen. Hopefully I'll get the whole thing. Let me just, let me just do this. Hold on a second. It's just gorgeous. It's just beautiful. So I, I, I don't know what it was this morning. Uh, it's, I wasn't, like, promo- particularly emotional. It didn't, like, make me cry. Yeah. But all of that's fine. Like, I've been brought to tears in worship before, and that's, that's all good and well. There was just something about it that resonated, and I was like, "This is just good." Like, this is just good music. It's good singing. Something about hearing, uh, the whole congregation singing together. Like, it was just beautiful. It was just a beautiful moment. So if you are not in a psalm-singing church, first of all, why aren't you in a psalm-singing church? Uh, no worship leader on Earth, no, no person who is worth... Uh, when I say worship leader, I mean the person who's responsible for leading musical worship. No one who's leading worshipful music, worshipful? Worship music, if you approach them and say, "I would like to sing more songs that are based on the Psalms," if they say, "We don't wanna sing Psalms here," then you just go somewhere else. Like, someone who tells you, like, "We don't wanna s- we don't wanna sing God's Word," that doesn't make any sense to me.  [00:06:56] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:06:56] Tony Arsenal: Um, now again, like, there's a way to do it. Sometimes musically they're challenging, especially if you're singing out of something like the hymnal. But again, there are plenty of really good modern style songs and hymn style songs that are either based on the Psalms or are paraphrases, very similar to what you get in the, in the Trinity Psalter Hymnal. Or most, most people who are leading in musical worship are competent enough to just sort of take the sheet music and figure out how to do it on guitar or figure out how to play it on piano. Um, they're not that difficult. So you will be edified if you do this. Your church will be edified. There's probably a lot of people out there responsible for musical worship that actually would really like to do this, and they're kind of probably, like, just waiting for that nudge, so you may even be benefiting them. But yeah, this, this psalm is beautiful. It's just a gorgeous arrangement, and it's, it's perfect, inspired words. Really was a, just a, a balm to my soul this morning.  [00:07:51] Jesse Schwamb: I love it. And o- of course, a lot of that is still happening, which is such a glorious gift to the church. The couple of times that I've had the privilege of writing music for my own church has been right from the scriptures, and for me recently that was, like, Ephesians 1 and Psalm 16. And that's mainly because, like, as a lyricist, I'm not that creative, and I'd rather go direct to the source. And all those end up being a paraphrase, like you said, anyway. Es- especially if you wanna get turn of phrase or if you wanna have a little bit of rhyming, which is always a beautiful thing. I love the Psalter, and my, my hot take on that is I sometimes find that I like, I don't wanna call them, like, the alternate, but, like, the other secondary arrangements-  Yeah and  lyrics better. I don't know why. I don't think that's purposeful, of course. It's probably just my taste. But I always find them to be, like, super fire. I, I don't know why. The, the B and C versions always kinda grab me, especially if... And here's another thing that I appreciate about the Psalter, as you know, is sometimes those B or C versions will be written in an alternate key or a minor key. Yeah. And that's even more awesome, because there's not a lot of, let's say, like, cla- I don't wanna say classic. Classic slash contemporary, uh, Christian music or wors- quote-unquote worship music that's written in minor keys. But it's good to lament, as we've talked about before. So- Yeah ... you're gonna get that full breath and scope in the Psalter there. [00:09:06] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:09:07] Beyond Music Styles [00:09:07] Tony Arsenal: A- and, you know, maybe let me put in one more little plug here. Um- I am not one of those people that is gonna say that there's like a particular style of music that's more godly than another. I've heard people try to make arguments that there's like certain kinds of rhythms or certain kinds of like beats that are- Right either, either more godly or somehow demonic or less godly. Um, I think there might be an argument to be made that some styles of worship are not suited well for congregational singing, so they may not be appropriate for like a, a congregational worship service. Like, you're probably not gonna go in and do a lot of hip hop and have the congregation be able to like stick with you. Right. That doesn't mean that you can't worship God through that or that it somehow is less like intrinsically beautiful. But, um, there are a lot of Let me just put it this way. In modern contemporary Western Christianity, uh, there's a lot of songs that are basically just the same thing musically. You know, you'll find, um, if you go to, like, YouTube, and, and maybe, like, be careful, 'cause sometimes some of these are, they're funny but they're a little bit crass. But if you look up, like, a video about how, like, every song is Pachel Bell's Canon. Right. Right? Every song follows the same basic arrangement of chords, and this gets even more pronounced when you're talking about modern worship music or contemporary mu- worship music, because it's designed to be able to be very simple and very easily played. Um, a lot of times worship directors are not super classically trained. Um, you think of, like, the youth pastor with the guitar around the campfire. Like, those kinds of songs have to be easy, 'cause they're not, like, classically trained guitar players. They probably picked up a chord book and figured out how to play a couple easy songs like Jesus, Lover of My Soul and things like that. That's how I learned how to play guitar. That's the extent of my skills, so I'm not, I'm not banging on that person. Um, but there are a lot, there's a lot more to music. Um, there's a lot more to singing, and there's a lot more to choral music than, you know, GCDC kind of like worship courses. Uh, and singing something like the Psalter, or even just singing out of a good hymnal- Right will actually expand your musical horizons. And there's something to be said about the creativity of our God being reflected in the creativity of His people that I do think we miss out on when we are locked into really simplistic worship styles. Um, again, like, I interpret Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to mean, like, sing in the vernacular of the people. Um, and I, you know, that's a different episode. We can talk about that sometime. But th- that, that requires the songs to be singable, and I think sometimes, uh, sometimes some of the song- some of the Psalters, some of the songs in the Psalter hymnals, and sometimes hymnals in general, are very difficult to sing. And so I think a congregation, the people leading in music need to be thoughtful of that. But I think you would do well to, like, open your horizons a little bit to something a little bit more challenging and a little bit off the beaten path. Like, this melody, I don't know the chords behind it. It may not be anything crazy, but that, like, musicality and that, that sort of, like, melody is not a typical... And this might be why it resonated with me. It's not a typical kind of melody you're gonna find in contemporary music. Um, it's, it's very different. It's older. It's more classically styled. The, it's, it's meant to sort of bring you up to these crescendos in ways that modern music is not necessarily. So enough about that. I don't know a lot about music theory, so I might be totally wrong and, and- ... people might be rolling their eyes. But I, I do think that there's something to it. Like, a lot of the older hymns- utilize chord progressions and melodies and harmonies and things like that that we're just not used to. You're not gonna get that listening to, you know, even something like, like the more musical kind, uh, more technically proficient music like something like Bethel or Hillsong, which is at times musically very good. Uh, I don't know that I would recommend listening to it, but the music is actually, like, technically very good in some instances. Uh, even there you're not gonna find a lot of this stuff. So instead of going there for, like, really nice sounding musical worship, just go to something like the Trinity Psalter app. You know, for $10 on a- on your iPhone you can sing with it. Um, yeah, enough about that. I, I, I could talk about how great the Psalms are and how great psalm singing is for an entire episode. We should do that episode- We should ... when we're done with the parables, 'cause I know we've done a lot of episodes on, like, uh, on, on, like, the regulative principle and- Right I, I think we're still both in the same spot that, like- Right ... exclusive psalmody is probably not where we would land. Right. But I think I'm coming to the conviction that the psalms should have a much greater portion of our worship diet, uh- Hmm ... than they do in most churches. Um, and I really only came to that conviction when I was in a church where psalm singing was the norm. Uh, I know that we try to have at least one s- one canonical psalm for every single worship service. Usually there's multiple, but, um, even in a, a, a setting where we normally wouldn't be so focused on that, we still try to have at least one, and it's been a, a really huge edifying thing to my soul.  [00:14:06] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. I absolutely love that. You'll find no complaint from me on that. I think that that's a good reminder for all of us.  [00:14:13] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:14:14] Book Sing Recommendation [00:14:14] Tony Arsenal: Jesse, what do you have?  [00:14:15] Jesse Schwamb: Well, it's, we're not gonna stop this conversation, just so you know. Because we don't sync up on these things ever, but it just so happens that I'm affirming with a book that it's a really simple primer on congregational singing-  There you go that has  long been on my list and overdue to read, and I am coming in hot with a recommendation for this, and that is the book entitled Sing! How Worship Transforms Your Life, Family, and Church by Keith and Kristyn Getty. And really, it covers so many of the things that you already talked about. I, I think at the foremost, it's a reminder that God cares whether in what we sing, but he does not mind how well we sing. Yes. But it is, like, the, this... What's true is that our voices might not be of a professional standard, but they are of a confessional standard. Yeah. And so it is incumbent upon every Christian to sing. And if you need just, like, a little bit of inspiration, so to speak, or a reminder of why that's important, I highly commend this book to you. In fact, in the back they have what's called, like, these bonus tracks. It's like four or five separate chapters that they've written just to particular people in the church, pastors, laypeople, musicians, even the people that help produce the sound. I found that bit to be so lovely and pastoral. It, it's gentle, the tone is encouraging, but it is also strong, and I appreciate that. So a lot of it is some of the themes that we've just talked about, but my conviction grows all the time of just how important congregational singing is, and how everything you just said, the music, the liturgy that we bring forward- has to be of a deliberate kind to strengthen that exercise, to make it easy, so to speak. And that does come into practical things like if you look at the psalter, and I, I don't... I have it on my phone, but I don't know where my phone is, so I was gonna look at the one you were referencing. My guess is it's, it's in probably a key with a couple of sharps in it, because those are the ones that are easiest to sing. So even little things like that matter. What you hear on the radio often is, or radio? People still listen to the radio? What you hear, like, in, like, contemporary music, like, often is not necessarily for congregational singing just in its key, and, and that's okay. And so even in my own church, we transpose things to make it reasonable and approachable. But what I think was, like, the critical question put forward in this book that I absolutely loved as a great reminder was: how did the congregation sing? It's very interesting that they kind of bring forward this thesis that that's how you should be judging your music. How did the congregation sing? And I think if we started asking that, it might slightly tweak or maybe change altogether, to your point, the methods and the practices that we use when we undergo worship by way or through music. So this is really great. It's easily readable, and it's for everybody, and it, there's a chapter on family worship as well, how to bring singing into your home and music into your home all the time as an act of worship so that when you get to the Lord's Day, your kids are like, "Yeah, this is our jam." Uh, especially maybe even recognizing some of the pieces of music and be excited about that. So there was a lot that made me think about here. It's fantastic. And to your point, Tony, I would say the Gettys, especially in, like, "Christ Alone," some of the other things, this is probably the closest to what you're talking about, where they've taken and imported kind of the classical hymn structures-  [00:17:26] Tony Arsenal: Yeah [00:17:27] Jesse Schwamb: but modernized a little bit just the language while without sacrificing any of the theological richness or the musicality that draws your ear to those beautiful rising and falling melodies, the swelling of the vocal there, without, like, distracting from anything that's going on there. It's not emotionalism- Yeah but it certainly is filled with the emotion of what it means to be a Christian and to sing in response as an act of praise to God.  [00:17:50] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:17:52] Family Worship Singing [00:17:52] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, I mean, I can't underscore enough the importance of congregational singing. We, we've, we've actually talked about, about it in context of, like, how important it is for the men of the congregation to sing, which is something I, I really appreciate about my congregation, is, is the m- the men just go all out. Like, people are, like- Love it ... nobody is, nobody is ashamed of the fact that they squawk on a note that they're not used to or anything like that. And where this really pays out, um, at least in our congregation, but I'd, I'd be willing to bet if you go to any congregation where the, where the men particularly are passionate and active in musical worship, right? Um, I think where this plays out is you see the children very quickly picking up those songs and learning them and singing them. And the, the favorite part of my day, this is gon- any parent of toddlers is gonna be like, "What are you talking about?" Bedtime is one of my favorite times of day, not just because it means that, like, in a little while I'm gonna get a little peace and quiet. Like, that's part of it, too, but there are two songs that we sing almost every single night, and Augie leads them, which is really great. He always wants to start, and he always wants to sing, and it's the Doxology and the Gloria Patri. And these are songs that he has just picked up from being in the congregation, and, you know, I, I don't remember consciously teaching him any of these songs. And now, now Adeline, who is, uh, my two-year-old daughter, almost two, she's starting to pick those songs up, and she's starting to sing them, and she recognizes them, and she responds very differently to those songs than she does to other songs. Um, it's funny because I don't, I don't know where she got this. Neither my wife nor I are particularly, uh, charismatic, emotive people. Like, we don't raise our hands when we're singing, but she, she does. She, she, when we start singing- My girl ... the Gloria Patri or the Doxology, her hand is in the air, and she's looking at the sky, and she's waving her hands around. Yeah. And, um, she recognizes that those songs have a different place than a Miss Rachel song. She doesn't put her hands in the air and wave and look up at the ceiling when Miss Rachel comes on or when Baby Shark comes on. She knows those songs. She can sing those songs. Um, but she doesn't- Respond to those in the same way. And that is a direct result of the fact that congregational singing is an important thing in the life of our church and in the life of our family. And I think a book like Sing, I haven't read it, but I've heard very good things about it, and the, the Gettys are rock solid, like- Right ... theologically. Yes. Musically. They're, they're well within our Reformed tradition, at least broadly speaking. Um, and, and they have a, they have one of the strongest sort of theologies of praise music that you're gonna find. Mm-hmm. It's not quite like a liturgiology or something like that, but it's, it's, it's a theology of praise worship, praise and worship music. Right. Um, and that's not something that's super common, right? There's a lot of theology of liturgy. There's a lot of practical theology on liturgy. Um, the Gettys have developed a really unique kind of place in things in that they've really developed this idea that congregational singing has a specific theological import, and they've developed it in a way that's approachable. So yeah, I haven't read it and I sh- I probably should, but it, it sounds like a really great book. And, um, I c- just can't underscore it enough. And- Maybe this is my little plug. Like, uh, family worship is really tough, and it's not something I've mastered. Like, we don't, we, we don't have a regular rhythm. But what we do have is we have a consistent, uh, we consistently pray at night before bed, and we consistently sing one or both of those songs. And that by itself, like, the kids are learning and they are, they're absorbing that by osmosis. Um, they're picking up the phrasing, right? Augie can tell you who the three persons of the Trinity are, and that's partially 'cause we do catechism questions, but it's also partially, and I would actually argue probably more, because of the Trinitarian structure of those two songs. Right. He's picked up the language of the Father, the Spirit, and the Son from the Gloria Patri and from the doxology in ways that probably I wouldn't have been able to teach him otherwise. So yeah. Anyway, I, I just co-opted your affirmation. But, um, but yeah. I'm here for it. Congregational worship, family worship, singing, uh, to our Lord is commanded, and it's commanded for our good- Right and for his, his benefit and his blessing. Um, and so any book that is, is solid and will help you do that, I, I'm wholeheartedly behind.  [00:22:17] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. This is... All that is fire. This is fire.  [00:22:19] Reclaim Congregational Song [00:22:19] Jesse Schwamb: God designed our psyche for singing, and we're probably, uh, I would say contractually obligated since Reformed is in the name of the title of the podcast- to remind ourselves and everybody else that one of the things the Reformation did was reclaim the singing of God's word by his own people. Yes. Taking it out of that performatory space back into literally the voice boxes of the people who are sitting in worship together. So sometimes we might have to do that again. You know, there is a little bit, I think, of... There, there is in some places, not everywhere, this kind of tilting of that time of worship through music to be vouchsafed or relegated to those who are, uh, let's say, like, the most, like, talented in doing that, and somehow we participate merely by observing or by- Yeah just, uh, you know, being an audience spectator of that, and that's totally backwards. So I get it. The thing is- We're all singers. We may not all be very good singers, but we're all created to be singers nonetheless. This is what the Bible tells us. So we need to lean into that. We need to invest in that. Yeah. And so I, I like, of course, what you're doing with, uh, your kids because you're not only teaching them to sing, and this makes me so happy, but you're teaching them to love singing to the Lord. Yeah. And so that is, I think, what a lot of our congregations miss, is sometimes we do it, and I'm among them often, but grudgingly. And so to get to a place where we come excited that our reasonable response, our reasonable preparation on the Lord's day is to sing together, to hear that gospel message in melody in the ear of our... You know, the voice of our neighbor in our own ear is a wild thing. It's just, like, un- unheard of. And it's like, uh, we gotta stop, right? It's one of those things also that, like- ... we've, we've talked about how it's just kind of otherworldly. Not, not only in the sense that it gives us this really kind of foundational sense of God's, you know, kind of transcendence, of what it means to participate in the worship of someone who is transcendent because it is all these voices together, but also this is something that rarely happens in any other way, especially in the Western culture anymore. This coming together to express and to participate in something where we're all reading literally from the same sheet music is just an entirely different experience, increasingly relegated to this kind of experience. So we, we must protect it, not only because God says that we ought to, but also because, again, it is, it is our reasonable response. Yeah. And it is something, like you've just said, that brings Him glory and is certainly for our good. So, uh, this is the Singcast, so everybody- ... everybody get to it. You can make your own music. God has commanded us to sing. So the sooner we just understand, like, hey, it's, it's... You know. Uh, but... And the last thing I'll say is this is one of those things that's, like, practice too. A- and I get it. Like, you may say, like, "Listen, I can only hit two notes, and that's all I'm gonna hit no matter what the music is." Well, then belt the two notes, and also know that, like, the more you practice that kind of thing, honestly, the better that you'll get and the more comfortable that you'll become. The voice is an instrument like any other instrument that takes, like, a little bit of practice and a little bit of work. But even that can cause, I think, great benefits and build a little bit of confidence. But just the example of singing and doing it from a heart that is keen to worship God and that is filled with passion to respond to Him with gratitude and, you know, adoration is really the key thing. And so I, I'd rather have a entire group full of worshipers that are singing off-key but, like, with just resounding passion than to have this performance of just a handful of voices because they feel like they're the most capable to do it. Yeah. I think we'd, we'd rather have everybody else, and to hear the congregation mixed as one of those instruments. So sing. Yeah.  [00:26:05] Everyone Can Sing [00:26:05] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, and y- you and I have made the point in the past, too, like- I, I don't think, uh, maybe I'm wrong. Uh, we are a top 50 healthcare podcast, so maybe some doctor- I'm sure you're correct ... is gonna... Right. Like, I don't think being tone deaf is actually a physical condition. Like- Mm. I, I mean, I, I mean, obviously, like, some people have hearing problems, and that means they have trouble singing. I hear what you're saying. But, like, the people who are like, "Well, I j- I just can't sing. I'm just not capable of that," uh, like, I think the, the physical conditions that would make you incapable of singing are not usually what people are talking about. Like- Right. Yeah ... you know, some people have, like, vocal fold disorders or they have hearing problems, and I guess maybe, like, if perfect pitch is a thing, which it, it is. Like, perfect pitch is a... I don't know what causes it, but some people are born with perfect pitch. I suppose in theory that means some people must be born with, like, the opposite of perfect pitch. But I think most people who say, like, "Well, I just, I'm just tone deaf. I can't carry a tone," that, that's probably not true. Like, it just means you need practice. Um, and some people's voices, like physically, their bodies are more, more designed by God to produce a pleasant sound than other people. But I, I think actually just about anybody with a little bit of practice, and mostly I think this is probably just the confidence to actually sing and a little bit of practice to learn how your body works, like how your voice works, um, could probably get to a point where singing is not only very relatively comfortable and easy, but it's something that is pleasant and is not overly challenging. This is actually something that I think we've lost in the church. We should... This, I mean, this is about to come the episode, but, um- ... something we've lost in the church when we have sort of changed from a true genuine congregational singing model, which was the norm- And I've heard people make arguments about the importance of hymnals, and I, I agree with those arguments, although I know some people have moved them into almost like a realm of, like, divine mandate- Right that you have to use hymnals because it trains people to teach. But we have lost something with both the sort of commercialization of worship music and the pro- like making it a professional thing, and we've lost congregational singing. The, the people in the church throughout history have learned to sing. Many of them have learned to read, learned the scriptures, learned theology, not in the seminary and not in the monastery, but in the pew as they sing God's word and as they sing- Right ... the great theological hymns of, of the church. There's so much you can learn through that process that I just think we've lost. And I think going back to something like a hymnal or the Trinity Psalter Hymnal or whatever, whatever standard music your church is gonna use, and I mean standard music. Like, whether this is a collection of worship choruses that has been curated for the church or it's a published hymnal or something like that, going back to something like that teaches the church how to sing. And I don't remember who wrote it, but the trellis and the vine, like the worship that we sing, I know Mike Horton makes this point. The worship that we sing is the tre- is the trellis that the vine of our wor- of our- Yes ... faith grows on, right? That's true. Like, what the, what the church lex credendi, lex orandi. Like, the church, what the church prays, the church believes. What the church sings, the church believes. So all of that to say, like, the, the importance of congregational singing can't be under-emphasized, and it's... I, I mean, I don't know that I would I don't know that most theologists say technically s- like, congregational singing is an element of worship, but praising the Lord through song certainly is. Yes. It's, it's evidence. Um, and, and so I think that's definitely something that the church has lost in general. Um, and I know there are churches... I- it's funny, when Ashley and I were between churches, uh, very briefly after, um, our previous church closed down, um, we went to a local sort of, like, high, high, uh, production, seeker-sensitive church, very Steven Furtick-esque, and we only lasted, like, 10 minutes in this, in this service. We went in and the production value was great, and the music sounded great, but we couldn't hear ourselves, we couldn't sing- Right ... and it was very performative, and we just left. We were only there for a few minutes, and we left. And I think that's something we've lost as we've sort of migrated worship to almost, like, a professional class. So yeah, bring it back to the pews. Bring it back to your- Bring it back ... bring it back to your house, bring it back to your kid's bedroom when you're tucking them in. Everywhere. Bring it back to the car on the way to work, in the bus. Right. Like, just let's everywhere we go, let's sing and worship the Lord. [00:30:30] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, that's right.  [00:30:31] Train Your Voice [00:30:31] Jesse Schwamb: Uh, so as a final thing, let me compound your hot take and say that I agree with you, that I... And I think professionals would as well, and I'm gonna stand on a resource that I'm gonna recommend to everybody here in a second, that in fact the Getty say, "If you can speak, you can sing." And there are a f- a few conditions that would prevent you from doing that, of course. And even there, they wanna explore opportunities for you, for instance, signing, for instance, to ensure that you can participate in worship. Uh, the hot take is I do think that because the instrument that God has given us in the vocal cords is exactly that, that it can be trained, and that actually most people can sing. And if you're serious about that, if you think, "You know what? I'd like to be able to do that. How can I explore that?" Here's a book for you. It's called Set Your Voice Free by Roger Love. The full title is How to Get the Singing or Speaking Voice You Want. Roger Love is, like, this amazing behind-the-scenes vocal coach. He has coached, like, a ton of really talented recording artists, and this is his very contention in the book, is that everybody can sing. It's really about how much or little work you wanna put into it. And in fact, this book comes with, like, these exercises that you can listen to and then record yourself. And then he, from a distance basically, can give you some pointers based on allowing you to kinda evaluate what you hear in your own recording back. So if you really are the kind of person that's like, "Listen, I, I dare you. I cannot sing," I would challenge you, I would double dog dare you to get this book, Set Your Voice Free, and if you're really serious about wanting to try and see if it can make a difference, I, I think it can. And I've, I myself have enjoyed this book, gone back to it many times, use it in my own work and practice because I found it to be helpful. So there you go. Sing, sing, and sing again.  [00:32:06] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:32:07] Singing Apps and Practice [00:32:07] Tony Arsenal: And if you're not a reader, first of all, why are you listening to the podcast? But second of all, if for some reason you're not a reader I'm, I'm joking. I'm sure there are people that are listening to the podcast who are not readers. That was, like, a super smug thing to say. How dare you. I'm sorry about that. How dare you. Um, if for some reason you don't wanna read that book or you're not a reader, um, y- you can do something as simple as looking up Yousician on your Yousician, Y-O-U- Yeah ... S-I, like the word musician, but U instead of, like, Y-O-U instead of, uh, musician. Um, there are plenty of apps out there. I just, I mention Yousician just because I've used that on, like, a free trial basis with some guitar teaching, and it's a reputable source. They also have a vocal module. So, like, if you wanna learn to sing, there are plenty of resources out there who can help you train your voice. A- and it- Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a vocal coach, I'm not a professional singer. I'm not even that great of a singer, and I, I probably could be a better singer if I wanted to devote the time to it. Um, it doesn't take much to, to be able- Right ... to become a competent singer. Um, I think most of us, you pick up one s- just like I learned guitar, you pick one or two songs that you really like and you wanna learn, and you learn to sing those songs, and then those skills will develop over time. So enough about that, Jesse. We've got, speaking of talents- ... we've got some talents to talk about. There it is. Boom, bazinga. Baza-bazom. I'm  [00:33:27] Jesse Schwamb: back. There it is. Yeah, so- I was excited  [00:33:31] Tony Arsenal: about that one ...  [00:33:32] Jesse Schwamb: that, that was really good. And, and we should just h- honor everyone. That's it.  [00:33:37] Tony Arsenal: That's it. Tip your waiters and waitresses, folks. It  [00:33:39] Jesse Schwamb: was so good. We're here all week.  [00:33:41] Parable Context Setup [00:33:41] Jesse Schwamb: So we're in Matthew 25, uh, verses 14 through 28, and this is at least gonna be a two-parter for us. This goes by the name you might be familiar of, which is The Parable of the Talents. But before we get to it, just a quick reminder that we've been speaking about this parable, not like in a special way, but hopefully in the more contextual sense. So this is the second of three eschatological parables in Matthew 25. So the first was The 10 Virgins, which we went through. We're in The Talents, and then we're coming up to everybody's favorite, The Sheep and the Goats. All three are part of this Olivet Discourse, which is, of course, Jesus' final teaching block before his Passion. And I think it h- behooves us so that we do not get distracted from, like, the center of gravity of this thing, that this is delivered in response to the disciples' question about the sign of his coming and the age to come. Because I've heard so many, like, little talks, maybe homilies is more the right word, on this particular parable that lack gravity. So little gravity that basically NASA could train their astronauts in it. So we wanna stay away from that and I think get into, like, the, the proper context. So Tony, do you have it in front of you by any chance? And would  [00:34:50] Tony Arsenal: you- I do. I do, yeah. Yeah. Read it for us? I'll read it here.  [00:34:52] Reading the Parable [00:34:52] Tony Arsenal: So this is, uh, starting in, uh, Matthew 25 verse 14, and I'm gonna read down through, uh, the end of verse 30 here. So it, it reads here, "For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted them, entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. Now after a long time, the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents. Here I have made five talents more.' His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little. I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.' And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, "Master, you delivered to me two talents. Here I have made two talents more." His master said to him, "Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little. I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master." He also who had received one talent came forward, saying, "Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed. So I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours." But his master answered him, "You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming, I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him who gave it, who give it to him who has 10 talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. For, uh, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness in that place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."  [00:36:56] Watchfulness and Stewardship [00:36:56] Jesse Schwamb: So it starts with that amazing connective, which we really spoke about in the last episode, in verse four- 14, starting with four. So it's tying, like we said, this parable directly to verse 13, which we know is in the, the parable of the ten virgins. But it's this idea of watchfulness. "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour." So th- I think this is the point we really drove last time, that we really felt highly convicted about, that this parable is not like a detached economic lesson, but it's really like an expedition, exposition, not expedition- ... of what watchful discipleship actually looks like during the interval of the master's absence. Like, that's the whole setup here. So it's starting with this idea of like the master goes away, but here we have these slaves or these servants who are entrusted. And to me, again, that's like such a linchpin in this whole thing, 'cause it's, it's carrying the sense that of course, like, he's handing over stewardship. It's a deposit held on another's behal- I love this parable because it has some banking language in it. It's, it's a deposit held on another's behalf, and that's like the key covenant concept of the entire thing. Ownership remains with the master. The servants are stewards. They're not proprietors. And that language, I think, really anticipates, like, the entire New Testament theology of stewardship, which is developed by Paul. So like when Paul writes in 1 Corinthians, "This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found faithful." So like all of that, that's like just one verse for me. Like, that's an incredible setup.  [00:38:27] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:38:28] Common Misreadings [00:38:28] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, and you know, I think it bears saying, too, um, I wanna be careful how I say this because I don't wanna impugn, uh, poor motives or anything like that on, on the, the people that I'm about to speak to. And I say this a little bit tongue in cheek, but also I say this as someone who used to be deeply involved in youth ministry. There's kind of like a, a youth ministry, um- international version of the Bible, I guess, if you wanna put it that way, where, like, there are certain, certain passages and parables that s- for some reason seem really prone to misapplication- Sure in, in some context. And I would say, like, youth ministry is the one I have in mind. Like, um, one of them is, like, in Matthew 18 where it's like, "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them." Like, that's a, that's a statement about God's, God's presence in the judgment of the church and excommunicating an un- like, a, an unrepentant, uh, person who identifies with Christ. And, and ironically here, maybe not ironically, but, like, casting them into the outer darkness of excommunication, which is representative of casting them out into the actual inner darkness of damnation. Right. Like, th- there's a, there's a misapplication of that, that like, well, you know, like, if only a couple people came to youth group tonight, like, it's still worth meeting because where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst of them. Um, this, this parable has a very similar kind of misapplication that is maybe a, a little bit less of a misapplication. Like, I think there is something to say in this parable about the fact that God entrusts us with abilities, talents, treasure, t- our time. Like, He's entrusted us with resources, and He does expect us to use those resources, uh, in a way that is honoring to Him and beneficial for the, for the gospel and for the kingdom. Um, that's true in a broad sense, but I don't think actually that this is what that... But, like, that's not what this passage- Mm ... is teaching. Right. I think I, I kinda joked last time, but, like, I've heard more than one sermon that draws the parallel between the word talent here and our talents in terms of, like, our spiritual gifts or our ability to play guitar or, like, to bounce a basketball and, like, thr- like, throw a free throw. Like, that's not the kinda talent we're talking about here. So I wanna, I wanna sorta, like, point that out just to sort of exclude that from the conversation. Yes, God gifts His people, and He expects His people to use those gifts for His glory and for their own benefit. Um, but that's not what this parable is talking about. This is a parable about the fact that God has entrusted the kingdom of heaven on Earth to His people.  [00:41:08] Jesse Schwamb: That's right.  [00:41:08] Tony Arsenal: And He expects His people to make use of that in a way that expands the kingdom and also in a way that does not... And this is, this is, I actually think, the main point of the parable. In a way that properly understands the nature of the king. The, the punchline or the main point of the parable here, it, just to sort of, like, I don't know, give away the ending or, like, unbury the lead, I don't know, whatever that is. The point of this parable- It's not that, like, it's a really good thing to double what God has resourced you with. The point of the parable, the reason that, just like the, um, just like it wasn't the virgins falling asleep in the last parable that was the problem because everybody fell asleep, in this instance, uh, the amount of money or the amount of return on investment that the servants produce is not the point of the parable. That's not the real difference between them. The real difference is that the former servants understood that their master had trusted them with a task and expected something of them, and the, the unfaithful, wicked, lazy servant had a total misunderstanding of who the master was- Right ... and therefore what his role as the master's servant was. That's the point of this parable, and I think, this is the last thing I'll say before I, I, I take a breath here. There's a lot of people that would look at this parable and might read some sort of works righteousness or, um, and this is more understandable and I think has a place within the Reformed tradition, although I don't necessarily hold this view. But would look at this as sort of like a theology which would, would argue that we receive some sort of enhanced rewards in heaven based on our faithfulness. There's plenty of good, faithful Reformed Bible teachers that would hold that position. I actually think whether or not that's true, this is still also not what this passage is getting at. [00:43:00] Jesse Schwamb: I, I totally agree with you there.  [00:43:02] Talents as Huge Wealth [00:43:02] Jesse Schwamb: I, I think one of the reasons that we know that is because we can look at some of these details and let the details speak to us about the magnitude in their representation, why they're given. So of course, whenever the scripture gives us detail, especially in a context like a parable, it can be helpful of cour- of course not to overanalyze them, but to respect their place in the context of the story, and that's why verse 15 I think is so important. So to one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability, then he went away. Now, this, this varies slightly, but there's a lot of, I think, very common historicity here that points us to understanding, like, the talents as a unit of monetary weight, and there is some discrepancy about its exact weight. But what we can say for sure is this: that we're talking about, as I teased at the beginning, a huge sum of money. So in other words, like, this is a gift from God himself. It's a divine gift. Yeah. It's something that's not earned. It's something that's given and something that's entrusted. So in the first-century Roman world, a talent was roughly equivalent to, like, 6,000 denarii, depending on who you talk to, which would mean that a single talent represented approximately, like, 20 years on average of a laborer's wages. So the sums then here we're talking about are staggering even at the lowest one. So the five-talent servant is receiving essentially approximately equivalent of a century's wages, and the one-talent servant is receiving 20 years' worth. There's no such thing as a small gift in Christ's economy, I think is the point here, and even the least endowment is immense beyond our reckoning. Yeah. So the distribution also is deliberately unequal. It's five, one, two, and the text doesn't offer any apology for this inequality. The master distributes to each according to his ability, which as I say that, I realize that could probably be its own episode, that we could talk about what that even means. Yeah. But he is matching and entrusting to capacity, and that's not arbitrary. Of course, that's wise and personal, and even the Greek here for this idea of capacity or power suggests the master knows his servants intimately and calibrates the stewardship accordingly. But nonetheless, it proves the point you're making here, which is not just about, like, well, do you have some kind of innate ability that's above average that God has endowed you with here? That's not even what we're talking about. Again, the whole point of this is to answer the question eschatologically about what the end means and when the time is coming and what good discipleship looks like. And so in that way, we understand then these talents to be these divinely appointed and massively generous gifts of God, essentially, like you said, the stewarding of the gospel in the story of salvation itself unto his people, and then to make something of that, so to speak, by the power of the Holy Spirit that earns a return for the kingdom, that is all empowered by God, that is under the volition of the person, uh, the Christian who says, "As a disciple, it is my responsibility to steward these gifts." That is really what we're after. So we do kind of get in this place where when you take this and say, "Well, what are you doing with," let's say- your home, if you have a nice home, are you being hospitable enough? If you have, let's say, a good singing voice by talent, are you using that to make sure that you're on the, quote-unquote, "praise and worship team," is not, like, entirely wrong, but it's not right either- Yeah to use this passage- Yeah ... for that purpose. There's a bigger theme here. There is, there's a much stronger and widescale framework that God is drawing us to and examine, and it's about the stewardship of the church itself.  [00:46:30] Tony Arsenal: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  [00:46:31] The Foolish Servant Exposed [00:46:31] Tony Arsenal: That's really key, and this is what struck me as, as you were speaking about that, is like we see in so many of the kinda like, uh, like the chump in the parable. Like, there's- Yeah ... a lot of these parables have like a chump- Right ... where like you're looking at and you're like, nothing about what you've decided to do makes any sense. We're talking about people who've been given, in the first case, 100 years worth of, worth of wages. Right. Right? Any one of these people, and again, we're talking about a timeframe where, like, you could just take that money and run and, like, nobody's gonna find you. There's no digital trail on any of this, right? If I stole, if I stole 100 years worth of labor from my manager or from my, my employer, they would find me, right? That's not the situation we're talking about. So even the chump who decided, "I'm not gonna do anything with this," he could've just take- taken off with the money and had 20 years worth of labor. Right. Just 20 years worth of wages. Right. This is a, this is a sum of money that makes all f- all three of these servants unimaginably wealthy instantly, right? The point of this is, in part, that the final servant has no idea the amazing blessing and responsibility that he's been given. And again, I come back to this. It's not because he is dumb or because he is, um, somehow less competent in a strict sense, right? It, it's so funny to me, like, we also gloss over the fact that, like, the guy who has five talents, he's got 100 years worth of money, 100 years worth of wages. Right. And he just goes and gets 100 more. Like- Right he just goes and trades and- Right ... comes up with 100 years worth of wages that he brings back. Like, that's, in itself is, like, phenomenally, amazingly outrageous. We ran into this too with the, um, the parable of the unmerciful servant, right? We've, we've got one guy who's got this unimaginable debt, like, like, thousands of years worth of, uh, worth of wages that he could never make up, and he thinks he's gonna somehow come up with it if you just give him enough time. It's kind of like the opposite here. This guy's got this unimaginable amount of instant wealth, and he just buries it in the ground. First of all, how much... We're also talking about an era where money was a physical, entirely physical.  [00:48:53] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:48:53] Tony Arsenal: There were no, there were no digital banks. Like- No zeros and ones most of our money exists as ones and zeros in a computer program right now. Right. Like, in reality, like- Right ... my money doesn't exist. We don't have, like, a physical gold standard anymore in America. Jesse could probably s- I'm probably making dumb things up right now. No, that's that's- Like, it used- Right on to be that, like, every dollar that the United States government printed had, like, a piece of gold sitting at Fort Knox- Yes ... uh, like backing it up, but we just don't have that anymore. Most of the money that exists in our system is entirely imaginary. It's an entirely, like, made-up digital currency way before, like, Bitcoin was a thing. That's not the case in this timeframe. This dude who buried 20 years worth of money in the ground, that's a significant amount of labor in and of itself- Right ... to even be able to do that. So we're not talking about, like... And I think this is the thing we miss when we, when we read the word talents, and one, when we obscure it and we, like, we misappropriate the word talent to mean, like, abilities, 'cause it, that's a convenient, like, illustration tool. We're talking about a huge sum of probably gold or silver that this dude just buries in the ground, and then, like, digs it up when the master comes back.  [00:50:01] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:50:01] Tony Arsenal: And I think, like- When we don't realize how much money this is, we miss the force of the master's like, "You stupid, dumb, wicked, slothful servant." Like, if you had even taken this money to the bank and done the least imaginable- Yes ... effort. Exactly. Like, if you had done anything at all, like how mu- how difficult, granted more difficult back in this age than it is now, but like if you had even done something as simple requiring as little labor as possible and just brought this to the bank and let them collect interest on it, we'd still be talking about a huge return. [00:50:35] Jesse Schwamb: That's right.  [00:50:36] Tony Arsenal: And he doesn't even do that, and that's, that's the point. There's the people who do, and they gloss over this. The parable totally glosses over the amazing effort and work that it must have taken to take 100 years worth of la- of wages and turn it into 200 years worth of wages. Right. Or to take 40 years worth of wages and turn it into 80 years worth of wages. That's an amazing, probably almost miraculous return on, on investment. Whatever they did is amazing, and the parable's like, "Yeah, they did that." They just took it to the traders and they brought back five more talents. Like, it's nothing. And then this idiot, and I say idiot in like the most like, like exegetically sound, idios, like, like foolish idiot person. [00:51:20] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:51:20] Tony Arsenal: This idiot just buries it in the ground and doesn't even bother to bring it to the bank where he's gonna get some return on it. This is the picture of the fool who does not make use of the means of salvation. This is the picture of the fool who refuses to receive Christ as savior, who refuses to make use of the benefit and blessing of salvation that is available to all who will trust in Christ and turn to him. This is the same picture as the idiot virgins who didn't buy enough oil and just fell asleep when they knew that the bridegroom was coming, right? Right. It's not that they fell asleep, it's that they didn't do the most obvious, simple,

Taoiseach Micheál Martin was in Limerick yesterday on a visit to Analogue Devices as part of their 50-year celebrations, and Live 95's Lauren Byrne was there too.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Joe chats to Luke Liddy, Mike Aherne and Tom Savage for this weekend's sports preview.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Joe chats with Georgina Lubeck, Dr Simon McGuire and Liam O'Brien for this Friday's coffee break chat.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This Sunday, the 14th of June, marks World Blood Donor Day.Blood donor Louise Crowley explains why it's so important to give back to your community and give blood.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Friday marks a significant deadline in Ireland's immigration system as the EU Migration and Asylum Pact comes into effect here. The Government says the pact will create a more efficient and consistent asylum process across Europe, speed up decisions, improve returns procedures and strengthen cooperation between EU member states.Fianna Fail Limerick TD, and Minister of State Niall Collins, and Limerick Sinn Fein Senator Joanne Collins joined Joe for more.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ireland just recorded its hottest May temperatures ever, with parts of the country breaking the 30-degree mark.To explain what's happening and whether these record temperatures could become the new normal, we're joined by Geography Lecturer at the University of Limerick, Breandán Mac Gabhann.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The solar industry is warning that Ireland may not be making the most of all that clean energy. Concerns are growing that parts of the electricity grid aren't keeping pace with the rapid growth in solar generation, meaning some renewable power is effectively going to waste.To discuss whether Ireland is maximising the potential of solar energy, and what needs to happen next, Joe was joined by Ronan Power, CEO of Solar Ireland.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The World Cup is here, and for the next month, football will be everywhere on your TV, on your phone, in the pub, at work, and probably dominating the conversation at home.To build up the fever, I'm joined by Live95's Caleb Brennan and Anne-Marie Geraghty, as well as former Republic of Ireland international and Limerick's own Jackie McCarthy O'Brien.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Earlier this week, the latest IBAL litter league survey branded Limerick City Centre the dirtiest area in the country, finishing bottom of the list of forty towns and cities. Here's a recap of Conor Horgan from IBAL, and Live 95's Tara Byrne has been getting your reaction to the news.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week's viewing recommendations with Aisling, Anne Marie and Caleb.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Limerick men are raising funds for Cliona's Foundation and the Limerick Lourdes Invalid Fund as they are flying to France this Friday to cycle from La Rochelle to Lourdes, and the journey will take them six days.This will be their sixth and final cycle as the group has decided to hang up their boots, and Fergal Deegan, a committee member of Cliona's and a cyclist, and Finbarr Brougham, committee chairperson of Cliona's, joined Joe to chat about their journey that started in 2008.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Leaving Cert exams are now well underway, and while some students may be relieved to have a few papers behind them, the reality is that this can often be the toughest part of the process.It's not just a stressful time for students either. Parents are often walking a fine line between being supportive and trying not to add to the pressure.Careers guidance expert Julie O'Connor from Synergie Careers, and a former guidance counsellor in Limerick, joined Joe to give her advice.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A special service took place yesterday in Limerick to mark the 30th anniversary of the shooting dead of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe. The mass took place at Holy Rosary Church on the Ennis Road where family, friends and former Garda colleagues attended. Jerry McCabe's widow Anne and Chief Superintendent of the Limerick Division Derek Smart spoke to the media afterwards.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Katie Taylor has announced her retirement fight is scheduled to take place at Croke Park on September 5th. She joined Live95's Nadia Sakni in our studio to talk about the historic night, what it means to her, and why now is the right time to step away from the sport.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Record-breaking heat, thunderstorm warnings and talk of El Niño. It's been a dramatic few weeks for Ireland's weather.Last month saw temperatures top 30 degrees at a number of locations around the country, smashing previous May records. Now, attention is turning to what's driving these extremes and what the summer could have in store.To discuss it, Joe was joined by Alan O'Reilly from Carlow Weather and Louise Crowley, Limerick Chair of the Irish Farmers Association.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Our Friday morning coffee break chat with Edana Flynn, Roger Beck and Anne Marie Geraghty.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rebecca Barry from Barry's Pharmacy joins Joe to give tips on how to manage bee and wasp stings as the weather gets warmer.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Limerick Sings International Choral Festival returns for its 14th year, and it has started strong with a launch led by young Limerick voices.Four Limerick schools were among hundreds of kids who sang their hearts out on Thursday evening to celebrate the start of the festival, which runs from now until the 7th of June. To learn more about the festival, Live95's Lauren Beirne got a behind-the-scenes look at the kids practising for the event, but first, she talked to the lady behind the magic.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Plans have been lodged for one of the largest residential developments proposed in Limerick in recent years, with more than 400 apartments earmarked for the long-vacant Horizon Mall site on the Dublin Road.Limerick Leader journalist Nick Rabbitts has been following the story and joined Joe.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This weekend's sports preview with Luke Liddy, Mike Aherne and Mal Keaveney.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A new report launched at Education and Training Boards Ireland's Youth Work Matters Conference has revealed a worrying reality for many young people across Ireland: one in five say they have skipped meals due to the cost of food.Limerick and Clare ETB was among those attending the conference, with Ruth Griffin, Youth Services Support Manager, from Education and Training Boards Ireland, joining Joe for more.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From the first of July, buying goods from outside the European Union, and yes, that includes Great Britain, is about to get more expensive. Revenue has just issued a warning about major changes to customs rules for packages valued at €150 or less.Live95's producer, Anne Marie, joins Joe for more.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A specialised facility in County Limerick has launched a major fundraising campaign to build a vital outdoor sensory playground for its students ahead of the summer.Hillview Schoolhouse, based in Croom, provides special needs facilities and much-needed respite care to families across Limerick. Live 95's Fiona Madigan visited Hillview Schoolhouse and spoke with its founder, Sharon Hourihane and some of the parents whose children attend the facility.GoFundMe link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/hillview-schoolhouse-playground-helpImage via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week's TV and film recommendations from Aisling, Anne Marie and Caleb.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Limerick GAA have announced the establishment of four new regional development units covering the city, east, west and south of the county. There has been a commitment to strengthening structures at the local level and increasing participation in Gaelic games across the entire county. Live 95's Luke Diddy caught up with committee chair Jimmy Fien.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A county Limerick club are celebrating a massive revamp of their GAA grounds, following a long seven years of work, led by the community. The job cost over €600,000 to complete, and includes a 70 metre hurling wall, a 500 metre tarmac community walkway, redevelopments of the pitch, and new goal posts. Ger Downes, chairperson of Knockaderry GAA club, has been speaking to Live95's Lauren Beirne.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Limerick behavioural therapist Kevin Rea joins Joe for some practical advice for parents navigating Leaving Cert season.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A look back at last weekend's sport with Trevor Anderson, Dan Mooney and Mike Aherne. Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

MyCelsius, which has been developed to address the difficult symptoms of menopause, has just launched in Ireland and was co-developed by engineer Aonghus O'Donovan, who studied at UL before working with Dyson and in Formula. He joins Joe to explain how the bracelet works.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Leaving Cert starts tomorrow, and Michael Gleeson of Ardscoil Rís joins Joe with practical advice for parents on helping students through the exam period, and budgeting expert, maths teacher and State Examiner Anita Collins is with us too.Image via Getty. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Corals protect humans and sustain 25% of all marine life. But reefs are under threat from climate change, and mass bleaching events mean that some scientists estimate they could disappear by 2100.In this episode, Graihagh Jackson is joined by BBC CrowdScience presenter, Caroline Steel. We go to Puerto Rico to see how self-duplicating, carnivorous coral could be the solution. We also speak to the scientist who helped discover what was causing coral bleaching in the first place - back when climate change was commonly denied.This programme was first broadcast in 2024.Guests: Dr Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, Professor of Marine Studies at the University of Queensland in Brisbane Dr Stacey Williams, Executive Director at the Institute for Socio Ecological ResearchPicture: Prickly alcyonarian - Dendronephthya sp. Orange red colored soft coral. Credit: ultramarinfoto via Getty. Presenters: Graihagh Jackson and Caroline Steel Producer: Octavia Woodward Production co-ordinator: Brenda Brown Editor: Simon Watts Sound Engineer: Tom BrignellGot a climate question you'd like answered? E-mail the team: theclimatequestion@bbc.com

Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service.Our guest is Michelle Meinhart, a reader in musicology and cultural history at Trinity Laban Conservatoire in London. We start by hearing about a Mexican song that captivated lovers in World War Two. Then, a marketing strategist recalls how he worked on a Mexican election campaign in 2000 that saw a change of government for the first time in 71 years. We hear how millions of indigenous women in Mexico won the right to vote and stand in elections in 2014. Plus, a woman recalls her family's escape from a deadly gas explosion in Mexico City in 1984. Finally, we find out how Titanic, one of the most successful films in movie history, was made in Mexico in 1997. Contributors: Mariano Rivera Velazquez - son of singer Consuelo Velazquez who wrote Bésame Mucho. Michelle Meinhart - a reader in musicology and cultural history at Trinity Laban Conservatoire. Francisco Ortiz - marketing strategist. Eufrosina Cruz Mendoza - campaigner for indigenous women's rights. Virginia Martínez Tellez - San Juanico resident. Antonio Moreno - sports journalist. Luisa Gomez de Silva - assistant coordinator in the art department for the movie Titanic. (Photo: A welcoming kiss. Credit: Topical press agency/Hulton archive/Getty images)

Send us Fan MailCover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions Show Note: 0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck 1:20 SCOTUS' 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional 2:00 NC's technical arguments against Allen's claims 2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen's case3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied 6:45 states' use of sovereign immunity against creators8:50 Jeff Sedlik's suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo  9:30 Michael J. Bynum's suit over Texas A&M University's unauthorized use of Bynum's 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here)11:00 Allen's recommendations to artists to protect their work online13:35 Emily Gould's discussion of LAION case 17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal.19:50 Allen on opt out policy20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA)21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist's Copyright Society) 23:00 response to UK government's consultations 24:00 UK House of Lord's hearings24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability 28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI 33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty's drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim35:50 UK's Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan's approach to sufficient human authorship41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu42:05 Allen's position on AI44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution47:35 Ed Newton-Rex Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]

In 2000, contaminated drinking water in the small Canadian town of Walkerton triggered one of the country's worst public health disasters.Heavy rainfall washed E. coli bacteria into the town's water supply, but failures in testing and reporting meant residents continued to drink the water. Seven people died and thousands fell ill.Megan Lawton speaks to resident Bruce Davidson who experienced the crisis firsthand.Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by and curious about the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more. Recent episodes explore everything from how the Excel spreadsheet was developed, the creation of cartoon rabbit Miffy and how the sound barrier was broken.We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: the moment Reagan and Gorbachev met in Geneva, Haitian singer Emerante de Pradines' life and Omar Sharif's legendary movie entrance in Lawrence of Arabia.You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, like the invention of a stent which has saved lives around the world; the birth of the G7; and the meeting of Maldives' ministers underwater. We cover everything from World War Two and Cold War stories to Black History Month and our journeys into space.(Photo: A sign stating the water is find, on Knights of Colombus hall just outside of Walkerton, 2000. Credit: Peter Power/via Getty)

In this pod, Spencer, MJ, and Ethan talk about a lot! There's a recap of fun cosplay events that Ethan went to, like Universal Fan Fest, Star Wars Day, and a Funeral themed birthday. We also talk a little bit about capes! But the big topic was reminiscing over an Occasion Spencer and Ethan did EIGHT years ago: a trip to the Getty. Like all of their hangs, they were both dressed up— and so we decided to look at the fits and see how they compare to our current taste. This is a clip of the latest Bonus pod! For the full episode, please subscribe on Patreon. Ethan's Blog: https://alittlebitofrest.com/2026/05/17/museum-fits-from-eight-years-ago-using-menswear-to-cosplay-as-a-jedi-priest-and-an-outdoorsman/ Support us on Patreon and join the Discord: https://www.patreon.com/styleanddirection/ Follow us on Instagram! www.instagram.com/styleanddirection/ Podcast is produced by MJ

Tim Conway Jr Show Hour 4 (5.13) Mark Thompson joins Conway and proudly celebrates his big win: Mastering the art of picking the perfect casino. Mark explains that if the restroom passes his high standards, the whole place is usually a winner. The crew celebrates The Foosh getting right with God after his serious car accident — with Foosh sharing an inspiring message about faith, recovery, and gratitude. Tim shares his wild “Down and Out in Beverly Hills” story from working on the 1986 hit movie as a very young production assistant. Fresh out of his teens, Timmy was tasked with shadowing a wild and unpredictable Nick Nolte 24/7 on set to keep the actor on track and make sure he didn’t go off the rails — classic “babysitting the talent” duty. Tim recounts one of his most painfully funny dating disasters: A new girlfriend who scored tickets to the Getty Museum and insisted on going during the height of the Dodgers World Series. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hour One of the Thursday May 14, 2026 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Show features... A solo Jack covering the big stories, including the Trump/Xi summit... Headlines... A CIA agent testifies on the Covid Cover-up... The Altman/Musk Trial! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hour One of the Thursday May 14, 2026 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Show features... A solo Jack covering the big stories, including the Trump/Xi summit... Headlines... A CIA agent testifies on the Covid Cover-up... The Altman/Musk Trial! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In another absolutely unnecessary but deeply essential installment of Rush Rash, Chaz and Shatz return to the Boneless airwaves for what begins as a routine wheel spin and quickly devolves into a gloriously ramshackle prog symposium involving airport sightings, tribute band diplomacy, chorus pedals, drum violence, and the mysterious cosmic intelligence known only as… The Wheel.Along the way:Chaz encounters Peyton Manning in the Denver airport… is he going to see Rush this fall in Denver??.Alex Lifeson's new Analog Kid Double Chorus Pedal sends everyone spiraling into gear lust and riff worship.Getty Lee receives a gorgeous new custom Rickenbacker bass because apparently the universe still rewards cool people.The guys long for RUSHFest Scotland - this Weekend in Glasgow!And somehow, against all odds, the conversation keeps steering back toward Rush. Mostly.Then comes the spin.With only 67 songs left on the wheel, The Wheel delivers a sign: “Finding My Way.” The first track from the first Rush album. The very same song performed at the Junos. Coincidence? Statistical anomaly? Ancient Canadian prophecy? The hosts investigate with the scientific rigor of two men operating on coffee, enthusiasm, and questionable sleep schedules.From there, the episode turns unexpectedly heartfelt as the guys revisit the raw power of early Rush — John Rutsey's explosive drumming, Alex's wonderfully awkward opening riff, Getty sounding like a young man trying to punch through the ceiling of the universe, and the sheer joy of hearing a band discovering itself in real time.There are also sponsors. There is also shouting.No bones. Just Rush.SCHATZ'S SCRATCH LIST - RUSH TRIBUTE BANDSScratch your itch to hear RUSH music played live by going to check out any of these great RUSH Tribute Bands - these bands are keeping the community and the music alive - the most current, curated, and rockin' list of RUSH Tribute Bands in the world! Yeah!⁠⁠⁠⁠Click here: ⁠Schatz's Scratch List⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠(And say it 5 times fast!)GO BONELESSCertified boneless in the state of Ohio by the Boneless Podcasting Network. Go Boneless. Boneless Makes a Better Podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 35 is a conversation with one of the psychedelic world's true elders: Adele Getty, author, philanthropist, and co-founder of Limina Foundation. Adele's life story weaves together decades of ceremony, community, and consciousness exploration. Adele traces her fascination with plant medicine all the way back to 1957, when, at age seven, she devoured a 15-page Life Magaze spread on Gordon Wasson and Maria Sabina that quietly shaped the entire arc of her life. After her first curated LSD experience in 1968, Adele made a personal commitment to take the medicine once a year and use it as a kind of annual self-audit,  a practice she has maintained for over five decades. Adele shares what it was like to marry Francis Huxley, Aldous Huxley's nephew, in 1986, including intimate stories of Nobel Prize winners, the Bloomsbury set, and how the relationship deepened her understanding of psychedelics as a tool for navigating life's most challenging passages, including the end of the marriage and the death of Francis. From Native American teachers like Sun Bear and Grandmother Evelyn Eaton, to Leo Zeff and Ralph Metzner, Adele reflects on how she wove together multiple lineages and offers a thoughtful take on cultural appropriation, encouraging people to find their own authentic ceremonial voice. Adele shares tender memories of the recently passed underground guide Ricci Coddington, including Ricci's dream about Leo Zeff in her final year. She also reflects on her role as a founding member of the Guild of Guides and her longtime advocacy for non-directive, space-holding approaches to psychedelic facilitation. Adele discusses the wildly successful Santa Fe event she produced, the Enchanted State,  that raised over $100,000 for New Mexico's emerging psilocybin landscape, and closes with a hopeful vision rooted in Limina Foundation's mission that psychedelics could serve as a rare unifying force across political divides, with a recent poll showing 70% of Americans, regardless of party, supporting access to these medicines for those who need them. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting the podcast and our psychedelic elders. And thank you for taking the time to click the five stars or the thumbs up so that others might stumble across it and benefit as well. I so appreciate it!   Adele Getty Bio: Adele Getty Elder, Wisdom Keeper, Psychedelic Educator Adele Getty is a pioneering voice in psychedelic education, known for decades of work exploring the sacred, cultural, and psychological dimensions of psychedelic healing. A founding member of the Guild of Guides, she has helped shape the field of assisted psychedelic work with deep integrity and cross-cultural wisdom. Her books, including A Sense of the Sacred and Goddess: Mother of Living Nature, explore ceremony, matrifocal history, and rites of passage. Widely respected as an elder and wisdom keeper, her recent keynote at the 2023 MAPS Conference received a standing ovation. Adele's work continues to guide a deeper, more grounded psychedelic future. Connect with Adele Find Adele and learn more about her work at liminafoundation.org. Videos from The Enchanted State conference will be available there soon. Donation Links GoFundMe for Jack Coddington For larger, tax-deductible donations ($1,000+) please contact Michael at LiminaFoundation.org Connect with Carla You can connect with us on Instagram @PsychedelicDivas, and be sure to join the email list at psychedelicdivas.com for updates, resources, and the Psychedelic Safety Guide Including What to Do When Things Go Wrong. Website: PsychedelicDivas.com Carla's Coaching: CarlaDetchon.com Instagram: @PsychedelicDivas YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@carladetchon Subscribe & Review: Support the sisterhood, by subscribing, rating, and reviewing Psychedelic Divas. Your support helps amplify these important conversations and grow our community.

FULL MET GALA DEBRIEF DROPS IN THIS FEED AT 5PM The Met Gala is happening right now — and we’re breaking the rules to bring you a special pre-game episode before the full debrief drops later today.In this mini episode, we’re getting you across everything you need to know before the red carpet chaos fully unfolds — from this year’s theme and what it actually means, to the celebrities who aren't there (and why that matters more than you think).Plus, the controversy already brewing behind the scenes — including the backlash surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sánchez’s involvement, the politics creeping into fashion’s biggest night, and the quiet celebrity boycott that could define the entire event.This is your essential Met Gala 2026 primer — because later today, we’re coming back with the full deep dive: every look, every headline, and every moment everyone will be talking about.Love binge-watching TV? 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Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mamma Mia.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tiner Burk, and welcome to a history making episode of The Spill. Because in the six years I've been hosting this podcast, we've never done this before. So Tina, it's a big day for you to be here. So what is happening If you hear the frantic energy in our voices, the flutter in our hearts, just we're in the midst of right now, in real time, in the midst of the twenty twenty six Met Gala.00:29Speaker 3 Absolutely wild time's happening here.00:31Speaker 2 So we're in the studio. The flurry of the red carpet is still happening outside. And here's the thing about the Met Gala, guys, I'm know if anyone else is across this, there's a lot of celebrities there.00:40Speaker 1 There's a lot of dresses.00:41Speaker 2 And we know we normally drop out big episode, like our full episode every day at three pm. That has been the rule. But today we're breaking the rules slightly. So we're coming to you now with a little teaser. So I hope you didn't look at the time and say, oh my God, their Metgala episode is fifteen minutes. Guys, my intros are fifteen minutes. We could ever so never fear. The full Met Garlett episode is actually dropping in the spill feed later today, but we needed time to do boots on the ground, or at least boots on the Getty on the Getty video images to make sure that we saw all the dresses that we could bring you a full recap that we were across all the celebrity drama, we were across the interviews, we were across just all the bits and pieces, so that we're not bringing you half an episode exactly. I would never It is a long red carpet. It kicks off at eight and it goes to a lunch time like it's a long deal, you know. And yeah, and spoiler alert for I guess how that what if Merrel Streeps said me the other day named us how the sausage is made behind the scene. Is that we normally record at eleven, which means we would have missed all the dresses. So we're coming to you today with just a little update to tide you over of what you can expect in our Met Garlett episode. Because what we do know so far, so we're coming to you from the past. We don't know what's going to happen. Like a ghost of Christmas Pass. That's the ghost of Metgala's pass. We don't know what's going to happen yet. But it's kind of shaping up to be a bit controversial, is that right, Teterburg?02:06Speaker 3 It is The Metgala's never without its controversy, especially in recent years. I think as us normal people have gotten more of a glimpse into it on social media. We now understand the cost tickets to go are upwards of one hundred thousand dollars. For like all of the famous stars you see walking the carpet, the clothes they're wearing are worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions sometimes of dollars. The diamonds, the jewels, all of it. It's so luxurious and beautiful, Yes, and I understand why it exists, But for so many people they look at it and they go, what a privilege and waste of money while real people are struggling. And that has really come to a head this year due to the honorary coachairs Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez Bezos. So according to page six, Jeff and Lauren would have paid about ten million dollars to be named honorary coachairs, and that basically means nothing, Like being an honorary coacher doesn't mean anything. It's not like the others who have actual roles in deciding what happens. It's just a title to show like your contribution to the culture. So basically Jeff and Lauren have been like accused of buying their way into the culture, with which I think is kind of fair. Yeah, but I do think that's what's happened here. But there's like an anti oligarch, anti tech activist group called Everyone Hates Elon, and they have been like blasting New York City with papers about boycott the Bezos met Baal. There's all of these signs going up that are anti Amazon, anti Jeff Bezos. And at the same time, also what's happening in New York is that the New York Maya Zoron Mum Danny is going to be like the first New York City first couple to not go to the met Gala, and he's made a statement of like he's looking forward to spending his time focused on making like affordability his priority in the most expensive city in the United States, and he said that's what I'm looking forward to spending my time focused on on the first Monday in May.03:45Speaker 1 So so fair.03:47Speaker 3 Quite a time period in which to be doing it. So it's made a lot of political discourse pop up about Jeff Bezos and we're definitely going to see I think more of it on the carpet as it keeps unfolding.03:57Speaker 2 Yes, So that has caused a bit of a rift in the fashion community, with some people in the fashion community saying we're just not going this year, We're going to sit it out, and then there's some roomored people like, people like is that why Meryl Streep's not going?04:09Speaker 1 Is that why end Days not going?04:11Speaker 2 I mean, neither of those women is ever going to confirm nor deny anything.04:14Speaker 3 But very interesting timing because Zendea's been seven years straight and this is the one she's sitting out of and she's around at the moment that much. We know she's on a lot of press tours for her film, so it actually would be a great year for her to go.04:25Speaker 2 Well, yes, but also she is going to have five massive red cars environments this year. That are all her. Whole carpet at every event is all about her. So maybe she thought this year she doesn't have to go. Maybe she's trying to pull a bit of a Beyonce because Beyonce is going to the met Gala this year for the first time since twenty sixteen, so for first time in ten years, and that is one of the reasons that Beyonce has her level of fame. Obviously she's talented and beautiful and all those things, but she's become so elusive.04:53Speaker 3 Yeah, she knows when to pull back.04:55Speaker 1 A sighting of her is like seeing like a like a what's an animal that's extinct? Nicon?05:00Speaker 2 Yeah, well never Yeah, I was gonna say unicorns are extinct.05:03Speaker 3 I didn't know you were going to say extinct, and unicorn came out before you were done.05:06Speaker 2 I was gonna say, wow, what why were we doing a podcast on that?05:09Speaker 1 But it feels like breaking news.05:11Speaker 2 I was going to say, like a Tasmanian devil or something like that still look or a Dodo bird if you saw one of those.05:18Speaker 1 This is not a wildlife podcast. If you saw one of those, you'd be like, wow, no one ever sees that.05:22Speaker 2 That's Beyonce. That is Beyonce because she's so she doesn't need the press. No, she's beyond press. Yeah, well she's beyond so maybe yeah. And I feel like Zenda is going in that way too, absolutely beyond the press as well.05:32Speaker 1 Yeah for sure.05:33Speaker 3 And like Beyonce's joined by Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and Anna Wintour as the co chairs, which means they're kind of like as well as the hosting committee in charge of like figuring out the theme, the guest list, like who's coming all of that jazz. They do have an involved role, the co chairs and the honorary Hosting Committee, which is like fifty celebrities. Yeah, the honorary So like the co chair committee, which I didn't even realize is the thing.05:54Speaker 1 It's the host committee.05:55Speaker 2 Do we think that they're like getting on a zoom or this sting on a table and someone's bringing snacks and someone's taking notes. I would love to be a fly on the wall for this because the host committee is Sabrina Carpenter, Doja Cat, Tiana Taylor.06:06Speaker 1 Even just those three, I'd be like, girls, I'll play in the event. You guys just gossip.06:12Speaker 2 Lisa from Black Pink, Elizabeth de Becky and Lina Dunham. And also this feels like very kind of prom king and queen. Yeah if you were like school captains in Australia. Is that the host committee? They have two leaders and they are Anthony Vecacalo and Zoe Kravitz.06:28Speaker 1 Yeah, why I sell power Doer. Yeah.06:30Speaker 3 Yeah, it's going to be really interesting as well, Like I would love to be a fly on the wall and be like, so what.06:35Speaker 1 Do you guys talk about?06:36Speaker 2 It needs to make a mockumentary about the met Gala hosting committee. Can you imagine like the side threads and the side chats and like WhatsApp groups and stuff that are happening away from the main thread.06:46Speaker 3 I do feel like the person who's up for that job is Mindy Kaling because she was involved in The Ocean's Eight when they pretended to rob the met Gala, and that felt like someone's insights who had really been there, And Mindy goes sometimes I reckon she could write us a little bit.06:58Speaker 1 Oh my god, Mindy Kaling, please make that happen. How good?07:01Speaker 2 Even if you don't want to make it a documentary, you could fictionalize it, but we can tell who you know, like a blonde Dove Cameron like plays Sabrina Carpenter and like so on and so forth, you know what I mean, Like we can tell who's who?07:13Speaker 1 Yes, that would have been nice. Actually, that's fine.07:15Speaker 2 I love our fan fiction. Maybe that's what we'll dorn the Met this year, which is fan fiction.07:18Speaker 1 Of the Malla. That would be delicious.07:21Speaker 2 The theme this year, I love it. Every year everyone debates the theme, but most people are unsure what it is. I feel like Sarah Jessica Parker is the only one who really goes in on the theme. Yes, we haven't heard she's going this year, but she is usually on the red carpet the Met, and she puts so much time and effort. She reads like books, she interviews people, she goes deep on it. And then other people are just like, well they said something blah blah blah gardens, so I'm a flower. Yeah, so wait, fair enough fair And then hers is like, oh, you know, the lace from my dress is like mimics the poem that was yeah from the Zeer blah bla blah.07:56Speaker 3 Yeah, and you know what really highlighted that was the Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, like that year some people like, I don't know what they were doing. They were really just garden rose in spied outfits. And then yeah, other people were like, well they read this fairy tale from this point in time and the fashion referenced. Yeah, it separates the true art.08:11Speaker 1 I love that.08:12Speaker 2 So this year's theme is Costume Art, which is named after the new exhibition YEA, and the dress code for the met Gala is fashion is Art and so on. The invitation it said guests are invited to explore their relationship to fashion as an embodied art form and celebrate depictions of the dressed body throughout art history. Yeah, I'm going to say five people are going to do that last bit. Everyone else is going to go Art. Just means that you could really go with a very easy, avant garde, crazy over the top. I wondered it would be like the year was Camp and people were just dressing crazy outfits.08:43Speaker 1 Yeah.08:43Speaker 3 So Andrew Bolton, the curator of the Like Costume Institute, he was like, I do worry people might take the theme literally and come as a painting. Like he knows, he's like someone's total He actually said, he was like, I'm scared someone's gonna come as like that Campbells suit painting Katy Perry.08:58Speaker 1 I was gonna say Katy Perry. Well, I was like, let's not slam Katie Perry lesser.09:02Speaker 3 But the year she came as a burger, it was like widely reported that Anna Winter was like what the hell?09:06Speaker 1 Yeah? And Wint was like, when I made this the event of the year, that's not what I meant to.09:10Speaker 3 No, it's not meant to be a dress up thing like it is, but in a very different way.09:14Speaker 1 Yeah. But I found it.09:15Speaker 3 Really interesting because he's spoken at length about like the exhibition and they've split it into like thirteenth thematic body type, so there's like pregnant bodies, aging, disabled, variations on nudity, and they said, like the exhibition has two hundred sculptures and artworks alongside two hundred garments and accessories, So it's about bodies that have been marginalized in fashion and ones that haven't been valorized in either fashion or Western culture. And I found it really interesting because he was like a lot of the development's fashion has made over the last few years have really eroded, and I don't feel like we're seeing as much diversity on the runway as we were seeing. So it's a very interesting time with a lot of the discoss that we are having about famous people's bodies and bodies on runways and men magazines and in movies at this time for this exhibit. But I do think the theme goes over a lot of people's heads. Sometimes, I'm not going.10:00Speaker 2 To pay a lot of people and we'd already know we're just going to see it like a full sea of very very thin bodies at the met Gala, because it's a representation of who's in fashion and entertainment at the moment, and that's who's in fashion and.10:12Speaker 1 Entertainment at the moment.10:13Speaker 2 So I don't think there'll be any sort of body diversity. I feel like that conversation is dead and buried to the detriment of us as a society. And Andrew Bolton in his exhibit, yeah exactly. But I'm interessed to see what a lot of people wear. I'm interested about how Kim Kardashian is gonna vier because she got to a point where the first couple of years after the whole debacle, when she was pregnant and she will the flower rose gown and.10:36Speaker 1 Everyone always quite like that. It was quite nice too. This is me think he tell us of dress as well. I don't know anything.10:41Speaker 2 It's just that she was heavily pregnant and people just pretend that they like that, but they don't. And after that, she just went through many years of just wanting to look pretty because I think she was trying to be accepted. And then she got into an interesting place of the stunt dressing with the Marilyn Monroe look and the wet look, beaded gown like my waist defires human measurements, yeah, and the walking with her face covered, so her silhouette spoke to everything. So there was all that, and the last few years with like the pearl dress and even like the Garden one where she had the cardigan and that was her stunt and people just thought that her dress broke beforehand, when was just not what happened. And now she's in an interesting space whether she's either going to have to just decide she's not stunt dressing anymore and she's going to go down the path of just looking like pretty in chic, or she's going to lean further into stunt dressing. And I hope it's that one and that's what it means to be because she looks just beautiful every other night of the year. But I think she cares less about being beautiful now because she knows she's beautiful, yeah, and she cares more about getting a good headline.11:36Speaker 3 And it was like when she did the sort of water droplet dress like the gal yeah, and like that was the camp year, right, and everyone was like, this is in camp, this is ridiculous, But actually she was one of the ones who understood the dress codes the most, and when you looked into how the dress was made and like the skill set that had gone into it and like what it represented, she was actually one of the ones who got it right. And I think that's the thing about her stunt dressing is sometimes people see it and go like, oh, well, she didn't read the dress code, and it's like, actually, I think she's one of the.12:02Speaker 1 And she wants people to think like she trained and.12:04Speaker 3 I feel like she's copying Sarah Jessica Parker in that, like she sees her as her inspiration fashion wise, and she wants that for herself.12:10Speaker 1 She wants to be taken seriously. That's so interesting.12:13Speaker 2 Well we'll see, so make sure you drop back into this feed this afternoon fro omur Met Gala Special. We're gonna be combing through all the dresses, all the scandals, all the behind the scenes. You just know that carpet is going to be a lit with celebrity gossip, and.12:26Speaker 1 Stick around for that. But we just want to let you12:28Speaker 2 Know that we haven't forgotten you and a big, juicy, over the top episode is coming away very soon todayBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the early 1990s, Algeria was engulfed by a brutal civil conflict, as armed Islamist groups fought the state and civilians lived in fear. Foreigners were urged to leave, and many did. But Sister Lourdes Migueles, a Spanish Augustinian nun who had already spent decades serving in Algeria, chose to stay.As the violence worsened, religious figures also became targets. In October 1994, two of Sister Lourdes's fellow nuns, Caridad Alvarez and Esther Paniagua, were shot dead near their convent as they returned from work. Sister Lourdes remembers hearing the gunshots, the panic in the street, and realising immediately that it was her fellow Sisters who had been attacked. Soon afterwards, she was ordered by her superiors to leave Algeria, something she says caused her deep pain, as though she had abandoned the country she loved.Years later, she returned to Algiers, where she still lives and works today, helping women and children. Sister Lourdes Migueles tells her story to Colm Flynn.Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by and curious about the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more. Recent episodes explore everything from how the Excel spreadsheet was developed, the creation of cartoon rabbit Miffy and how the sound barrier was broken.We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: the moment Reagan and Gorbachev met in Geneva, Haitian singer Emerante de Pradines' life and Omar Sharif's legendary movie entrance in Lawrence of Arabia.You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, like the invention of a stent which has saved lives around the world; the birth of the G7; and the meeting of Maldives' ministers underwater. We cover everything from World War Two and Cold War stories to Black History Month and our journeys into space.(Photo: Nuns attend a ceremony at the Chapel of our Lady of Santa Cruz in Algeria in 2018. Credit: Ryad Kramdi/via Getty)

‘The power of AI is that it's able to capture everything, it's able to try to interpret everyone objectively. Human beings are imperfect in terms of their capability to listen and understand. Everyone unconsciously, when they listen, they don't hear everything.' Zoe Kleinman speaks to Sam Liang chief executive and co-founder of artificial intelligence transcription start-up Otter.ai Sam Liang was born in China and moved to the US in 1991. He received a PhD from Stanford University before joining Google, where he led the search engines location services. He co-founded California based Otter.ai in 2016. The start-up has evolved from a voice-to-text transcription service to offer AI-powered recordings of live events, meeting summaries and content searches. The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the BBC, including episodes with Karim Beguir, boss of Africa's biggest AI firm, the former Prime Minister of Australia Julia Gillard and musical icon Ringo Starr. You can listen on the BBC World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. Presenter: Zoe Kleinman Producer: Farhana Haider Get in touch with us on email TheInterview@bbc.co.uk and use the hashtag #TheInterviewBBC on social media.(Image: Sam Liang. Credit: Bloomberg / Contributor via Getty)

In 1984, loggerhead sea turtle Jorge became trapped in fishing nets and was moved to an aquarium in Mendoza. He was kept in captivity for more than 40 years until legal action and a campaign led to the closure of the aquarium and his release in 2025. But, where is he now?Megan Jones asks marine biologist Alejandro Saubidet, who was in charge of his rehabilitation.Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by and curious about the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more. Recent episodes explore everything from how the Excel spreadsheet was developed, the creation of cartoon rabbit Miffy and how the sound barrier was broken.We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: the moment Reagan and Gorbachev met in Geneva, Haitian singer Emerante de Pradines' life and Omar Sharif's legendary movie entrance in Lawrence of Arabia.You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, like the invention of a stent which has saved lives around the world; the birth of the G7; and the meeting of Maldives' ministers underwater. We cover everything from World War Two and Cold War stories to Black History Month and our journeys into space.(Photo: Jorge. Credit: Andres Larrovere/via Getty)

The evidentiary questions in the Nancy Guthrie case are now running on two separate tracks — and both demand legal scrutiny. The first involves ransom communications whose forensic profile doesn't behave like legitimate kidnapping-for-ransom demands. The second involves a sheriff whose documented history, according to reporting by the Arizona Republic and AZPM, may constitute fraud in his employment with Pima County — and whose handling of the investigation faces mounting procedural challenges.This week's look back at the most critical legal and procedural developments in true crime examines both tracks. Savannah Guthrie stated on the record that she believes two ransom notes her family received are authentic, citing specific details about Nancy's Apple Watch and a floodlight at the residence. The FBI's special agent in charge publicly characterized those details as available information. The Bitcoin wallet specified in the demand has never recorded a transaction. Both payment deadlines passed without consequence. No proof of life was provided despite repeated family pleas. One individual — Derrick Callella, 42, of California — has been arrested and federally charged with transmitting fraudulent ransom demands to the Guthrie family. The legal distinction between authentic and opportunistic ransom communications carries significant weight for charging decisions, and the pattern here — when compared against established case law from the Lindbergh and Getty kidnappings — raises questions the evidence has to answer.On the institutional track, Sheriff Chris Nanos faces legal exposure on multiple fronts. The Board of Supervisors has unanimously invoked Arizona Revised Statute § 11-253 — a territorial-era provision — to compel Nanos to provide sworn reports, with removal from office as the stated consequence for non-compliance. According to AZPM reporting, Supervisor Matt Heinz stated that when Nanos was asked in a December 2025 deposition whether he had ever been suspended, Nanos reportedly testified he had not. Records from the El Paso Police Department, according to the same reporting, show eight suspensions. His deputies voted 241 to zero for his resignation. A recall effort is active. He has faced criticism for prematurely releasing the crime scene, for reported friction with the FBI's evidence access, and for routing DNA evidence to a private lab rather than through federal channels.Retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer assesses the procedural implications of both the ransom evidence and the institutional crisis — and what they mean for the trajectory of this investigation.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#NancyGuthrie #SavannahGuthrie #TrueCrimeToday #SheriffNanos #PimaCounty #RansomNotes #FBIInvestigation #CriminalJustice #DerrickCallella #BringNancyHome

A mother sits on national television and says she believes the ransom notes are real. The evidence says something different. That gap — between what a grieving daughter needs to believe and what the forensic record actually shows — is the most important tension in the Nancy Guthrie case right now, and it demands honest examination.This week we look back at the most compelling developments in one of the most closely watched missing persons investigations in the country. Savannah Guthrie told Hoda Kotb she believes the two ransom communications her family responded to came from whoever took Nancy. Those notes contained references to Nancy's Apple Watch and a damaged floodlight at the home. But the FBI's lead agent publicly noted those details were available information. The Bitcoin wallet in the ransom demand has never recorded a transaction. Both deadlines passed without follow-through. The family begged publicly for proof of life and received nothing. Meanwhile, Derrick Callella, a 42-year-old California man, was arrested on federal charges for sending fraudulent ransom texts after following the case on television — a pattern that echoes historical cases like the Lindbergh kidnapping and the Getty ransom, where high-profile abductions attracted waves of opportunistic fraud.Running parallel to the evidentiary questions is an institutional collapse. Sheriff Chris Nanos' own deputies voted 241 to zero to demand his resignation after reporting by the Arizona Republic and AZPM revealed he was suspended eight times during his tenure with the El Paso Police Department in the late 1970s and early 1980s, accumulating 37 days of suspension for excessive force, illegal gambling, and insubordination before resigning to avoid termination. Those records, according to the reporting, went undisclosed for over four decades. The Board of Supervisors has voted unanimously to compel sworn testimony from Nanos, with removal as a consequence. A former U.S. Surgeon General and ex-Pima County sheriff has publicly accused Nanos of compromising the crime scene. A recall effort is underway.Retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer breaks down what the ransom communications actually tell investigators, what they don't, and what this case looks like from the inside of an agency in crisis.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#NancyGuthrie #SavannahGuthrie #RansomNotes #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #SheriffNanos #PimaCounty #FBIInvestigation #DerrickCallella #MissingPerson

California Governor Gavin Newsom sits down with Jon and Tommy before a live audience in Los Angeles to discuss Trump's war on Iran, the crowded California gubernatorial primary, and his new book Young Man in a Hurry: A Memoir of Discovery. The governor talks about his close childhood friendship with the Getty family, issuing the first same-sex marriage licenses nationwide as San Francisco Mayor, and his surprising childhood pet, Potter the otter.For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email transcripts@crooked.com and include the name of the podcast.

Democrats and Republicans will head to the polls in Texas today for an election that will send both parties a message about what voters want in Trump's America. Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The New York Times, discusses the Senate primary that so many are watching. Guest: Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The New York Times. Background reading:  The Texas Senate primary offers a test case for each party. The Republicans John Cornyn and Ken Paxton and the Democrats Jasmine Crockett and James Talarico are competing in bitter and expensive races. Photo: Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times; Aaron Schwartz, via Getty; Kenny Holston, via The New York Times; pool photo by Bob Daemmrich; Julio Cortez, via Associated Press For more information on today's episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.  Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.