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We Make Books Ep. 71 Transcription Kaelyn: Today we're talking about villains and antagonists, and why they're not actually the same thing, except in the cases that they are. Rekka: Yes, exactly. K [overlapping]: [laughing] R: Perfect. I think that nails it. Sometimes they're not the same thing, sometimes they are. K: Yeah, and we'll kinda get to this but, most villains are antagonists - most, not all. Not all antagonists are villains. And in fact you will likely, in any given story, have multiple antagonists, not all of whom are the villain. I went through and really dug up all of this stuff; shockingly, the word ‘hero' is the one with the most definitions attached to it, and most different con - R: We're not talking about heroes today! We're not! K [overlapping]: Well we - but we have to, because we don't get villains without heroes, and we don't get antagonists without protagonists. Both villains and antagonists are defined and really only exist so that they can oppose or create conflict for the hero or protagonist. It kinda makes you wonder, if left to their own devices, maybe they're just a mad scientist in a lab somewhere. R: Maybe they're the hero of their own story. K: Yeah, and then suddenly someone shows up to fight them and now they're the bad guy. [laughing] R: “I was perfectly lawful and good until you showed up!” K: Exactly, yes. The basic difference between a villain and an antagonist is that an antagonist is somebody who is there to contend or oppose the main character, typically the protagonist of the story. They're there to create opposition. A villain is doing that, but they're evil. R: [laughs] K [laughing]: What they're doing is, the opposition that they're creating is either causing harm, causing suffering, will destroy the human race. It could be something more on a micro scale, where they've kidnapped the daughter of the main character; maybe they're trying to get their lemonade stand shut down so that they can sell lemonade that's gonna turn people into lizard people. An antagonist at the surface is just somebody who's doing things that's causing problems for the protagonist. They don't necessarily have to be evil. R: They could just be a rival. K: Yeah. Or any number of other things we're gonna get to here, but. And in fact as I mentioned, as you're reading a book, you're frequently gonna come across antagonists that are not actually evil. There's gonna be an antagonist who's the villain who may be evil at some point, not always, but there will be people that are antagonists. I will use an example that we love to use: Gideon the Ninth. Harrow definitely serves as an antagonist to Gideon through the book. But Harrow is not evil. R: Right. K: That's a great example of a villain operating without the audience knowing that the protagonist is coming into direct conflict with them because, we don't really find out who the villain of the story is until the very very end of it. Then we can look back and go like ‘Ah yes I see all of these things now.' The villain in the story, and spoilers if you haven't read Gideon the Ninth, but also if you listen to this podcast and you still haven't read it - R: You obviously are never going to read it at this point. K [laughing]: Yeah. The villain turns out to be Dulcinia, who is impersonating another character - and I stayed away, when writing notes for this and getting into the philosophical of what is evil and what is not - for these purposes we're gonna call her motives evil, in that she is trying to hunt down and destroy a lot of different people for her own reasons. The conflict that we come into there actually causes the antagonist and the protagonist in this, Gideon and Harrow, to sort of team up to oppose the actual villain, which by the way is a very common writing trope. Antagonists are a necessary component to any story even if they are not the source of central conflict. R: Yeah, because - and I know you're gonna lean into this example - but in Harry Potter, Draco Malfoy feels like he is central to everything in Harry's life, even though most of the time he just shows up to spew some awful thing he's overheard his parents say and then go away again. K: Draco is a good example of an antagonist who goes through a lot of different forms. Draco in the first few books of the series, he kinda shows up to make some comments and then leaves. He's not really doing much. Even in the second book when he's talking about the Chamber of Secrets and the heir of Slytherin and he actually is sitting around going ‘God I wish there was a way for me to help him' - well, okay, that's what minions do. Small antagonists. R: Most of the time everything that Draco Malfoy does or says is just to reinforce the fact that he's a jerk. K: Yeah, Draco just sorta pops up to remind all of us that there's Voldemort out there and his followers are terrible, because we don't see or interact directly with Voldemort for a lot of these books, so Draco's there to kind of remind us that he's out there. But then we finally get to book six, when Draco is given a very specific task to do: kill Dumbledore. And those listening at home, ‘okay well doesn't that make him a villain?' Well - does it? Because first of all he doesn't really actually wanna do this, but he has to. Second, he doesn't do it. At the end, he's not the one who carries this out. So again, everything's relative here. Because to Harry, he is just this thing that Harry feels he needs to track down and find out what's happening. You could go so far as to argue that Harry is creating his own conflict here, because if he just left Draco alone and went about his life trying to find these Horcruxes, things would've gone a lot smoother. R: [laughs] K: Dumbledore keeps telling Harry, ‘Hey. I got the Draco situation under control, don't worry about it.' Not in so many words and maybe if he had, again, things would've gone differently - R: You know what, communicating clearly is the antagonist of a plot. K: Okay. So that's interesting that you say that, because antagonists are not always people. R: Mhm. K: Antagonists can be certain external factors that the protagonist has to contend with. A good example of this is nature, in something like the movie Castaway. It's not evil - R [overlapping]: Okay. I was gonna say Deep Impact, like the meteor is not a villain, the meteor is an antagonist. K: Yeah. Exactly. It's not evil. The meteor or nature or something is not saying like, ‘Yes, I will destroy the world, and then also Tom Hanks.' [chuckles] R: If it can twirl its mustache, it might be a villain. K: It's just there, and it's something that the characters have to contend with. It can also be something supernatural; the thing I thought of off the top of my head was The Nothing in NeverEnding Story. It's operating unconsciously, if you will, in the sense that it doesn't seem to have nefarious purposes. It's just existing, and it's just growing. The characters are opposing it, they're trying to find a way to stop it, but it's not evil in and of itself. R: A hero trying to stop global warming is not fighting a villain. Unless - K: Ah, there's some villains in there. R: Yeah never mind, I take all that back. K: An antagonist can also be something like a society or an unjust system that the hero has to live and function in. The example that came to mind was Les Miserables. The main character, Jean Valjean, is sent to prison for stealing a loaf of bread because his sister and her children were starving. And we as the audience are meant to understand here that, while Javert - I believe is the name of the officer - is doing his duty by arresting him because he did commit theft, we understand that it is the dire circumstances of his society and his country that caused him to do this. His whole struggle and story is not only trying to lift himself up and overcome this system, but trying to one, make good on people he had hurt and things he had done in the process of this, but two, help other people that are also stuck in this system by hopefully coming up with a way to better it in the long run. I won't say overthrow it because he actively avoids that whole - R [overlapping]: Right. K: - part of the process in this story, but he is in his own way trying to get things to a better place. R: Yeah. K: I went through and just like, some ideas of antagonists who are not necessarily villains. We talked about Draco Malfoy - I will go to my grave saying that Draco is not a villain, he is first convenient exposition, and then an antagonist and an unwilling one at that. One of the ones I also thought of was Catra, from - R: Ah! K: - the first half of She-Ra, she kind of serves as sort of like a minion antagonist. R: Uh-huh. K: Her character evolves, and we'll talk about that as we continue to go through this. But she's an excellent example of just an antagonist. R: And again kind of like that rival thing - K: Yes. R: - like in anime or certain role playing video games, you always have the rival show up, and then by the end you are working with them to fight the actual villain. K: Another category is the conflict creators: people who are not evil, they don't have nefarious plots, but they're making the life of the main character unbearable. Mr. Darcy - R [overlapping]: [giggling] K: - from Pride and Prejudice is an excellent example of this. I threw the Lannisters on the list, and I'm sticking with the books - R: Right. K [laughing]: Not the TV show. R: So in this version, the Lannisters haven't managed to accomplish much yet. K: Yeah, exactly. Because, really, what are they doing? Are their motives evil? No, their motives are promoting and securing the prosperity and wellbeing of their family as much as possible. Now, they're doing things that again, evil being relative, we might look at this and go ‘oh they're evil.' I will choose the beheading of Ned Stark as a good example there. That's only evil to us because we like Ned Stark. R: Right. K: Because we look at him and see a good, just man who is being undone by his own kindness and mercy. The Lannisters look at him and go, ‘this guy's an idiot, and not only that he's a threat.' R: Mhm. K: ‘If we send him to the wall do you think his family is gonna go, ‘ah ok no problem, no harm no foul.'' Yeah, Joffrey's an impulsive little shit, who should not have done that and obviously messed up the plans of a lot of different third parties there, but from the perspective of the Lannisters he's right. R: Mhm. K: There was no reason to spare Ned Stark's life. R: It does start with the two incestuous Lannisters pushing a child out of a window though, so. K: Yes, and we can - that's a whole other episode about - R [overlapping]: [laughing] K: Well, trust me, I could do a whole episode about the evolution in literature, writing, and various media of using sexually-based components of character's personalities to demonstrate that they're evil. R: Mhm. K: But yes, this isn't to say that Jamie and Cersei themselves aren't evil, but the Lannisters as a whole are conflict creators. R: Okay. K: And within there they're all opposing each other in certain ways, but they're all kind of presenting a united front. R: The Lannister corporate machine. K: Yeah exactly. Casterly Rock incorporated. They're all presenting a united front in the promotion and wellbeing of their own family. There's obviously a lot of stuff going on there that we the audience know about, but pretend you're an outside observer in Westeros. Apart from some slight patricide - R: [laughs] K: - but that's okay, because that was the member of the family who we just barely put up with and obviously there was something wrong with him and we probably should've thrown him down a well a long time ago. R: Are you talking about Tyrion or are you talking about Tywin - K: Both, but from the perspective of the Lannisters, Tyrion. [laughing] R [overlapping]: [laughing] K: You can recover from that one, because of course there was something off about him, look at him. Never mind that he's the smartest and, actually, most caring member of their family, but y'know. That's not important, apparently. I made up an antagonist category that I'm calling “general pains in the ass.” R: [laughing] K: [laughs] Where they are not necessarily doing anything, but their existence is just infuriating to the point that it's creating conflict for the protagonist. The one that I always love to point to is Gary from Pokémon. R: Mm. K: Who's just Ash's rival but it's a very hilariously one-sided rivalry. R: Right, right. K: [laughs] The other one that I think is very good is actually: Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Mask in the anime. Because he is also trying to get the rainbow crystals. R: Right. K: In a pain-in-the-ass antagonist - I would throw Rei in there. R: [laughs] Yeah, there you go. K: Again, the anime - the manga did not go into this, but they're constantly fighting over who's gonna be the better this-or-that, and who's doing the better job, and again, it creates conflict for Usagi because Rei is hyper-confident and very good at this, and Usagi is not, at all. R: Right. It has more to do with Rei just constantly criticizing her and making her progression slower than anything else. K: Yeah, you'll notice there's a lot of overlap here because apart from being a general pain in the ass in that scenario, Rei is also a conflict creator. R: Yeah. K: The last one that gets a little philosophical is the protagonist themselves. Holden Caulfield is of course the standout example here, but I would take anybody that can't get out of their own way and put them on this list. One of the thoughts I came up with was Anakin Skywalker. R: Okay. K: More with the Clone Wars TV show as a better example of that, but you certainly see it through the prequels as well. Has a set of morals and code that he lives by that is in direct conflict with what the Jedi are teaching him and telling him to do. R: Mhm. K: And that's an excellent case study into a descent into villany by having a singular goal and taking more and more extreme measures to meet it. R: Like Draco, there's somebody that is coaching him and trying to lead him in a direction that he wouldn't have chosen on his own almost at any point. K: I'm not sure I agree with that, because what we see Anakin do over and over again, his singular motivation-- and this is, by the way, his antagonistic component-- is “protect my friends and loved ones.” R: Mhm. K: And so he's willing to take more and more extreme measures that in some cases are going to get him in trouble, he's going to have to go in front of the Jedi Council and go ‘I'm really sorry I did that, but I did save Obi-Wan, so I think it all works out in the end.' And you've got Yoda silently screaming in his head, going ‘This is not what Jedi are supposed to do, this is dangerous.' R: Yeah. K: But then also, it gets him to a point where his moral code is coming into conflict with what is important to him. So, yes I killed a bunch of people on a spaceship, but I saved all of the Senators and the Jedi on it. Well, now I've killed a bunch of children because I thought it was going to save my pregnant wife. R: Mhm. K: And we're getting to a point where he can't differentiate those two things from one another because in the end you're still saving something or someone important. R: Right. But I still think that - K [overlapping]: Oh, yes, having Palpatine - R [overlapping]: that progression - K: - breathing in his ear for the whole time was not helping. [laughing] R: Yeah, that was an outside influence that encouraged that progression. K: Absolutely, yeah. So, that's another antagonistic force - that is an external factor, people attempting to influence the protagonist. R: Mhm. K: So, we talked a lot about antagonists, and as we said, most villains - not all - most villains are antagonists but not all antagonists are villains. In order to be a villain, you gotta be evil. You have to be a quote-unquote “bad guy.” And you've gotta be doing something that is bad, something that's hurting either a people, or an entity, maybe nature, or a planet itself. Typically, you've got selfish motivations here. R: Mhm. K: Sometimes you have no motivations, and we'll get into that, because the pure evil villains are one of my favorite villains. But, villains are working to destroy a heroic purpose or protagonist. They may not know that that's what they're doing, but they're doing it. Some villains go their whole story without realizing that there's somebody working their way up to opposing them, because their protagonist is such a little miniscule blip on the scale of this evil plan here that they didn't even know someone was opposing them. Villains, they have to be bad. They don't exist in a vacuum. Y'know, we used the idea of the mad scientist who doesn't know he's the bad guy - R: Mhm. K: - until someone shows up to fight him. If that guy's just left in his lab making some little itty bitty Frankenstein monsters to run around and help him with his experiments and things, then he never leaves and nothing bad ever happens, and the new Frankenstein monsters are happy with their existence, he's not a villain! [laughs] However, if he's oppressing those little Frankenstein monster guys, or maybe they're escaping out into the world and doing bad things to people that they encounter, that then starts to move him into the realm of villain. R: Now, what if he's in his lab and his experiments are destroying the planet outside the lab, but he never leaves and he never realizes, and the Frankenstein [ed.: monster]s are happy? K: Yeah, so this is where it gets weird, because what he's doing is evil but he's not doing it on purpose. R: Mm. K: I'm trying to think what the classification for that would be. An unwilling villain, essentially. Maybe more of an antagonist at that point. I'm trying to come up with an example of something where somebody shows up and informs a scientist or creator doing something that what they're doing is having a negative impact on the world around it and they had no idea. R: There is an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where they go to a planet where the people on the planet basically take some of the children off the Enterprise because they can't have children themselves, and the crew is able to convince them that it's their very powerful computer system that's causing radiation that's preventing them from being healthy, and that it would happen to the kids too if they stayed, and so on and so forth. K: Yeah, I'm trying to - like, this one isn't necessarily as good an example, but in Ender's Game, at the very end we find out that the conflict, this whole giant conflict, kind of began almost on a misunderstanding that the human population encountered alien life in the form of bugs that were a hivemind. R: Mhm. K: And the bugs killed all of the humans they encountered not understanding that there was a life form out there that wasn't a hivemind. Because from their perspective, it didn't matter if a few soldiers got killed, they were just essentially vessels for the larger collective consciousness. They didn't understand the - R [overlapping]: Right. Individuality. K: Yeah. So, that started them as an antagonist, but then this war escalates and escalates and, that one I don't know if we can come up with “villain” and whether sides are evil, at that point, but. With villains, they might not even need to know that they're directly opposing the main character. The biggest difference between the villain and the antagonist is that sometimes, but not always, the antagonist forms more of a plot role. It's somebody to be there to create conflict, to move the story along, or to motivate the protagonist. It's somebody who may provide opportunities for growth for the protagonist as well, again through opposition. K: Everything is opposition and conflict for antagonists. Antagonists, they can be friends or friendly rivals of the protagonist, but they are a plot role, they are helping to develop and move the character and the stories along. A villain is a character type. This is a potentially necessary component of the story, depending on the type of story that you're telling, and they have a role to serve within that. They have to be the central point of conflict for evil reasons, to give the character something moral and good and just to fight for and overcome. If this sounds contrived, or this sounds pedantic, I don't know what to tell you because this is literature. [laughs] R: [laughing] Yeah. K: This is - you will find this across all of human history in literature, the conflict between good and evil. That is the central focus of it. And listen, what we consider good and what we consider evil varies from culture to culture, time to time. Heroes don't fit a certain set of criteria across all cultures. If you go back and read any Greek myth, and what they consider to be heroes, most of these guys were assholes. Like, really bad people. But they did heroic things, and they lived in ways that were acceptable to the ancient Greeks. R: Mhm. K: So therefore they were heroes. The Greeks are really interesting in that they did not write what was idealized, but what was true. So even though we know that the way they conducted their society, the way they lived and acted, is abhorrent to us, at the time it was acceptable. Not only acceptable, but encouraged. R: Right. Perhaps even seen as heroic behavior. K [overlapping]: To that end—yeah. To that end, evil is the same way. R: Mhm. K: I'm gonna throw one last monkey wrench [laughs] into this - the villain, as we kept saying, most villains but not all are antagonists, because sometimes the villain's the protagonist. The villain is only the antagonist when they're not the main character of the story, when they're just serving as the sense of conflict. But sometimes in stories, the villain, who is evil and is doing evil things, is the protagonist, is the main character that we're following. Two of my favorite examples of this are Light from Death Note and Dexter from Dexter. Light is a teenager with a god complex who I wouldn't even say “starts off trying to do right in the world,” because if you watch the series really he's just experimenting using bad people until he gets the plan figured out. But, for those who are unfamiliar, Death Note is an outstanding anime that I highly recommend about a teenager who comes across a notebook that is stolen from a Japanese death god and learns that the names he writes in the notebook will die. And he gets more and more specific about specifying “will die at this time,” “will die in this way,” et cetera. And enters into this whole cat-and-mouse psychological thriller thing with himself and the police that are trying to stop this serial killer that they don't understand. R: Right. K: The whole thing turns into this god complex of him establishing rules of what he thinks are right and wrong and threatening the entire world with what would basically be instantaneous death at his whim if they don't adhere to it. So let's be clear, Light is evil. He is killing people because they're not acting the way he wants them to. But he is the main character and the protagonist of the story, and if you watch it you find yourself cheering for him outwitting the police, outwitting this detective. One of the detectives, by the way, is his father. And you're still goin,g “Come on, Light, you can get yourself out of this one!” Dexter Morgan from Dexter is another good example. Dexter is a serial killer. Dexter has kill rooms where he duct tapes people to tables, ritualistically stabs them, chops the bodies up, and drops them in the water off the coast of Miami. R: Mhm. K: Dexter also has a complex set of morality that he adheres to, and Dexter is a little bit different because he doesn't want to do these things, he wishes he wasn't like this, but he knows that he is and there's nothing he can do about it. The books are a little stranger about this than the TV show. So he's channeling his awfulness into only killing murderers. R: Right, and the rules of morality that he follows are not actually his morals. K: Yeah. R: They were given to him. K: Yes. As a way to hopefully help maintain and control him. But he's still killing people. And he's still operating outside the justice system. He's very careful about gathering all the evidence and knowing “yes, this person's definitely a murderer,” but he's still serving as judge, jury, and executioner without giving anyone the benefit of due process. In his mind it doesn't matter why you killed somebody. You killed somebody. And it's coming less from a place of morality than an opportunity to be an outlet for his own base urges. Villains can be protagonists. Just because somebody is the main character of the story doesn't necessarily mean that they're good. R: In fact, I feel a little bit better about some books thinking about it that way. [laughs] K: Yeah, absolutely. And, look, there's a whole thing you can get into with the hero vs. the antihero, and what is considered heroic and what is considered acceptable; god, I think there's been entire books written about this, with Superman as a core component there. It is very nuanced to kind of sort these things out of where the line is between hero and villain, and even more so where the line is between antagonist and villain. At what point do you stop being just an inconvenience or a pain in the butt that someone's gotta deal with and become somebody who is an active threat to not just the protagonist but potentially those around them as well? R: I know a book can have antagonists and villains, we've established several that do. Can you have a book with more than one villain? K: Absolutely! R: How do they not just sort of shrink down to become antagonists, then, if there's more than one? Or is it just because of their behavior being evil? K: Let's go back to another favorite of ours, Avatar: the Last Airbender. I would make the argument that both Azula and Ozai are villains. I think there are definitely people who would take Azula and put her more in the antagonist category; I disagree, she's evil, she has evil motivations. She also wants to conquer and subjugate the entire world and is willing to burn it down to do it. Hers and her father's ideologies and motives line up pretty closely. The difference is that Ozai sits in this palace and we don't see him for most of the series, and Azula's out there running amuck. R: So one can be a subordinate of the other, and they can both still be villains. K: Absolutely, yeah. And villains can work together, we got the superhero team ups on villains all the time. Dunno if you ever watched Venture Bros. - R: Yeah. K: - but the Guild of Calamitous Intent is one of my favorites, not that they're all teaming up against the same protagonist there. But yeah you absolutely can have multiple villains; one who is working under or for the other. You could have minions that are villains, as long as their intentions are evil. To that end with Avatar I would say Ty Lee and Mai are antagonists, not villains. Because they're minions who are kinda just there to do what Azula says but like, they don't necessarily want to burn down and subjugate the rest of the world, they're just sort of along for the ride. I think with multiple villains, a lot of times when you see that you're kind of dealing with an ensemble cast, and everyone's gonna sort of have a little area they have to go break off into. But not always, look at Star Wars. Yeah, Darth Vader was redeemed at the end, but you had two evil villains one right after the other, and again we're kinda seeing the same power dynamic as Azula and Ozai. K: To kind of round all of this out, villains are evil. And they usually have to have some sort of evil motivation or plan or action to match this. They might be so evil that they aren't even aware that everyone knows they're evil and is trying to stop them. Villains do not necessarily have to come in immediate direct conflict with protagonists in order to be villains. They can just be out there doing their little villain evil plan thing and not even know that someone's coming to fight them to the death until that person shows up to do so. They don't have to be directly opposed to the protagonist. In some cases, they can be the protagonist. But they've gotta have bad intentions. R: For the thrill of having bad intentions. K: Some of it can be for the thrill. The pure villains, those are my favorite ones, the ones that we never quite find out why they're doing what they're doing, they're just doing it. I use the example of Maleficent, from the original Sleeping Beauty movie, not the Angelina Jolie with lots of backstory and sympathetic character origins. Maleficent shows up, she's mad that she didn't get invited to the party but we kind of all get the impression that there's a reason she wasn't, but nobody quite knows what it is or what's going on here. R: Because we knew she would make a scene! K [laughing]: I think it's because she showed up and cursed the princess. R: So they saw that coming, you're saying. K: Yeah maybe. R: Even though the exact way to prevent that, according to Maleficent, would've been to invite her. K: The logic gets a little circular there, to be sure. [laughs] But yeah so, the villain is a character type, it's not a plot role. The villain is not always necessarily there to advance the protagonist or the plot. They certainly can, but they're not doing it directly all the time. R: Mhm. K: This is, villains are one of those sometimes-but-not-always-except-for-this-and-then-that-happens kind of situation. Antagonists on the other hand, they're not necessarily evil, they can be actually just regular cool decent normal people who happen to have a conflicting agenda with the protagonist. They just want different things. Last week we did MacGuffins. The antagonist may just be running around after their own MacGuffin, and for some reason that's causing problems for the protagonist. Maybe they also want that MacGuffin for a completely different reason, one that is mutually exclusive of what the antagonist wants; they can't team up there. Or maybe they just also wanna have the top spot at the dojo, and so they're gonna be in conflict with the protagonist there. The thing that makes the antagonist an antagonist is that they are opposed to the protagonist, and they will cause conflicts with the story's main character. It's a plot role, and it doesn't necessarily speak to the character's personality or motivations. They are there to create and cause conflict for the main character to either resolve, oppose, or fall to. R: So when I proposed this topic to you, I kind of thought of antagonists as mini-bosses and the villain as the big boss, thinking of video games and the way that's usually structured. So, this is unexpected. K [laughing]: Listen, an antagonist can be a mini-boss. It's all about motivations. R: But they can also just be that person living their life that has always bugged you because they microwaved fish in the lunchroom that one time. K: That person might be a villain. R: [laughs] Just wanna contradict me at every turn. K: I dunno, somebody who microwaves fish, that seems like evil intentions to me. [laughing] R: Look, they live with the consequences of that decision for the rest of their life. K: That's very very true. Anyway, so, Rekka any - R: Can an antagonist be the protagonist? K: No, those are mutually exclusive yeah. There's somebody who is not evil and they're the main character of the story, they're the protagonist. R: So they don't have a goatee or a mustache to twirl, and they're the main character, then they're the protagonist every time. K: Yes. The primary component for being the protagonist is that the story is about you, you're the principal character. If you are serving in an antagonistic role as the protagonist, you're still the protagonist, you're just a jerk. R: So when I get up and look in the mirror in the morning and I say, “Hey, butthead,” I'm still the protagonist of my life. K: You are both the protagonist and antagonist of your own life, yes. R: That feels accurate. K: [laughing] I think most of us are. R: Yeah. K: Well we said, a good example of an antagonist is the character themselves. R: Yep. Alright, I think I get it. K: We can always come back and talk more about it, because this one was fun to do some research on and get some thoughts together. R: So you would say that a book or a story plot requires an antagonist but doesn't necessarily require a villain. K: Yes, definitely. R: And the protagonist is completely optional. K: Yes, we're just gonna have a bunch of antagonists running around causing conflict for each other. Well, I think that's pretty much every murder mystery, so. R: So if it's a third person omniscient, and there is no main POV, we can have a book with no protagonist. Got it. K: I feel like you're trying to trick me into something but I don't know what. [laughing] R: I'm antagonizing you, I'm sorry. K: It's an important thing to do. R: As an editor you need to have your feathers ruffled every now and then. K: It creates conflict, and conflict creates growth. R: And plot. K: And plot. [laughing] But yeah thank you so much for listening everyone as always, hopefully this was helpful information, I know this was a lot of mincing of minute details, but - R: Yeah I mean maybe this was the episode you never knew you never wanted but - K [overlapping]: [laughs] R: - if there is an episode topic that you do know you want, you can find us on Twitter and Instagram @WMBcast, and you can also find us at patreon.com/WMBcast. And we'd love to hear your suggestions for topics or questions. If we have confused you in any way, then you can blame Kaelyn, and also let us know and we'll try to fix that. Thanks everyone! K: Thank you so much.
COMIC BOOK TUESDAY - Today we discover the 1st time Palpatine met Anakin Skywalker. For clarity, we are not talking about the quick meet and greet that we saw in The Phantom Menace when Anakin was just a boy. We are opening up the comic : Obi-Wan and Anakin - Issue #1 written by Charles Soule. We will bring to life and discover Palpatine's plan to meet The Chosen One using his political influence over the Jedi. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
NERD THEORY IRL - Josh and I discuss the big Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi leak creating a ton of speculation all over the internet. This rumor gives details about The Kenobi Show on Disney Plus. It suggests we will see Obi-Wan fighting Vader in a massive battle, as well as different synopses for different missions. It sounds amazing, but then again, it may not be true. Listen as we debate the rumor's validity and give our thoughts and theories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Welcome to the 288th episode of the Absolute Geek Podcast. In this week's episode, we are talking about the Agatha spin-off, Ghostbusters Afterlife Action figures, The Obi-Wan and Vader rematch, That '90s show, We review Titans, What if, and Doom patrol, All that and so much more. In a world where geek culture is now trendy, lifelong, Phoenix-based geeks dare to share their opinion on comics, movies, and TV. Join us as we venture into the vast cave of pop culture to find and discuss the latest in geek news. Some of their favorite topics range from discussing the future of Rick's group in The Walking Dead comics and TV shows, or the never-ending dispute of the future of DC movies versus the all-powerful Marvel. No matter what the topic they have it covered! Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. #AbsoluteGeekpodcast #ComicPodcast #MovieReviews #ComicBookReviews #DCComics #MCU #ComicList #itsfridaynightinphoenix #Whatif #DoomPatrol
MANDO-VERSE MONDAY - Today we are dissecting why Darth Maul lost to Obi-Wan in the Phantom Menace. Obi-Wan was a young apprentice going against a fully trained Sith. The Jedi haven't even seen a Sith in a millennia. How was Obi-Wan able to win? We will study each of their fighting styles to find out what went right for Obi-Wan and went wrong for Maul. It's very interesting to see how Obi-Wan pulled this win off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
"I'm Richmond 'til I die!" We just wrapped up season 2 of Ted Lasso and "MedLasso" from Explore The Space Podcast is here to help bring this amazing season to a close. Laurie Baedke is here to help us both review this incredible second season of Ted Lasso and think about how it's impacted us and what is still to come Please join in the conversation on Twitter, and tag your tweets with #MedLasso Check out the archive of "MedLasso" here and get caught up! Please subscribe to and rate Explore The Space on Apple Podcasts or wherever you download podcasts. Email feedback or ideas to email@example.com Check out the archive of Explore The Space Podcast as well as our Position Papers and much more! Follow on Twitter @ETSshow, Instagram @explorethespaceshow Sponsor: Elevate your expertise with Creighton University's Healthcare Executive Educational programming. Learn more about Creighton's Executive MBA and Executive Fellowship programs at www.creighton.edu/CHEE. Links Twitter @LaurieBaedke @TheRealDoctorT #MedLasso, #TedLasso, #kindness, #health, #leadership, #mentorship, #lockerroom #coaching, #FOAmed, #doctor, #nurse, #meded, #education, #hospital, #hospitalist, #innovation, #innovate, #medicalstudent, #medical, #student, #resident, #fellowship
It's sacrilege, 90 year old William Shatner is going into outer space before a Stars Wars actor! Will Gina be back for Mando Season 4? More KOTOR news for Spiro to comment on. Is the term JEDI evil?? The woke article from Scientific American thinks so. We get more info about Jedha that's canon. Who's More OVER this week is an emotional roller coster. It's the aftermath of Anakin and Obi Wan vs Han returning to Kylo. Which scene is more OVER! As usual email firstname.lastname@example.org for comments, answers or with suggestions. Please support the That Yoda Guy museum and Nick Maley @Nick Maley on Facebook. Unique one of a kinder Star Wars items for sale there!!!
This week in #StarWars #news, major book announcements, #Visions does well in the streaming ratings, new #Hasbro #actionfigures, #Podathon2021 rolls on and rumors about the Book of Boba Fett.Podathon: www.Atgcast.com/Podathon Books: StarWars.comStreaming: https://www.parrotanalytics.com/insights/tv-series-demand-across-all-television-platforms-for-the-us-25-september-01-october-2021/Art of Visions: https://amzn.to/3iL2cKSHasbro: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Star-Wars-The-Vintage-Collection-Carbonized-Collection-Shoretrooper-3-75-inch-Figure/714488694 Book of Boba Fett: https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2021/10/exclusive-wild-scene-description-from-the-book-of-boba-fett.htmlPatreon.com/ATGcastATGcast.comTwitter.com/ATGcastFacebook.com/ATGcastInstagram.com/ATGcastTikTok.com/ATGcast
From The Clone Wars, Season 5 - Episode 16, the duel between the upstarts Maul and Savage against a most displeased Darth Sidious. The duel is bookended by the tragic Obi Wan & Satine story, Bo Katan being revealed as her sister and the civil unrest on Mandalore. Enjoy! Thanks to Mike and Dale from It's True, All of It podcast for providing our intro song. Thanks to Timothy Zahn for our intro! We have t-shirts for sale! Please visit our TeePublic store for our latests designs! Tee Public Start a ConverSWation with us: converswations.com converswations on twitter converswations on facebook converswations on instagram converswations linktree We are proud members of the Red 5 Network --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/converswations/message
THEORY THURSDAY - Today we find out the real reason why Count Dooku revealed Darth Sidious to the Jedi in Episode Two plus the Sith's future plan to turn Anakin. At the time, in Attack of the Clones, it seemed that Dooku revealed too much and it seemed to take away the advantage from Palpatine. Today we learn why Dooku made such a bold choice from the source himself. We also find out what the Sith's plans were Anakin Skywalker. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
WHAT IF WEDNESDAY - Today we are bringing to life the What If scenario of: What If Luke and Leia were switched at birth? What if Bail Organa had told Yoda and Obi-Wan that he and his wife had always wanted a son. This would leave Leia to be raised as a farmer on Tatooine watched over by Obi-Wan.. Listen as we open up this interesting alternate timeline and see how their destinies would change growing up with their roles switched. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this quick episode, we talk about Obi-Wan and Yoda's discussion about Anakin, and Obi-Wan's inherent fears about Anakin. Yoda tells Obi-Wan the importance of confronting your fears which is very applicable to us as well. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/conspiracyintheforce/support
Star Wars is filled with deceptions from the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, the light side and the dark side, and everywhere in between. On Episode 142, we discuss the most impactful deceptions in the saga and try to come up with the one deception that had the most repercussions in the Star Wars galaxy. We start the show by recapping our experiences at Fan X in Salt Lake City. Contact us! Twitter: @idiotsarraypod Facebook: Idiot's Array Podcast Email: email@example.com Instagram: @idiotsarraypodcast
It's Mark Hamill's birthday! And celebs far and wide hit Twitter to wish him a happy birthday. Ming-Na Wen shares a super hot cosplay photo, the guy playing Ezra (Mena Massoud) speaks out. Apparently Taika's Star Wars movie is going to surprise everyone and we get some Andor and Obi Wan news. Book of Boba gets a release date and will Lucy Lawless replace Gina Carano? On Who's More OVER this week it's a duo duel! It's Luke and Yoda vs Mando and Grogu! Which combo is more OVER! As usual email firstname.lastname@example.org for comments, answers or with suggestions. Please support the That Yoda Guy museum and Nick Maley @Nick Maley on Facebook. Unique one of a kinder Star Wars items for sale there!!!
Let's open up a very interesting detail about Anakin that once you focus on it, it will really make you wonder. Why didn't Anakin have yellow Sith eyes while fighting Obi-Wan in Episode III? It would stand to reason that as Obi-Wan emerged from Padme's ship, Anakin would go “off the charts” ballistic. He had already fallen hard to the Dark Side, killing younglings and his fellow Jedi. So why wasn't Anakin in full Sith mode, with yellow eyes, when he faced Obi-Wan? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
WHAT IF WEDNESDAY - Today we dive into the “What If” question: What if Obi-Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones? Obi-Wan has a unique connection to Count Dooku. Dooku trained Obi-Wan's master, Qui-Gon Jinn. Much of what Qui-Gon learned as a Jedi came from Dooku. Therefore, different elements of Obi-Wan development on his path to become a Jedi, were compliments of Dooku. What if this connection opened the door for Dooku? What if he was able to coerce Obi-Wan? What would happen if Obi-Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Welcome to the 90th episode of the WhoDatJedi podcast! This week, your hosts -- Aaron Svoboda (@Aaron_Svoboda), Alfredo Narvaez (@NOLA_Fredo) and David Gladow (@davegladow) -- first debate the new Obi-Wan show and what we should and shouldn't expect there, before turning their attention to a slightly lesser known character in the Star Wars universe, Saw Gerrera. You might remember him as the crazy guy in "Rogue One," but how did he get to that point? How is his character important in a larger sense, especially as it relates to war? And do we even know who he really is? Listen on Podbean, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Pandora, Tune In + Alexa, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio, and follow us on Twitter & Facebook! If you like what you hear, be sure to click that follow button and leave us a positive review! Read more of Fredo's musings here. Read more of Dave's musings here. Song credit: Far, Far Away (Star Wars Jazz), by the Swamp Donkeys Visit their website for more of their music! --- Related: KOTOR coming to Switch Related: Obi-Wan has wrapped filming
Jake and Josh discuss the latest rumors on Deshaun Watson and preview this weekend's matchup vs. the Las Vegas Raiders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Star Wars A New Hope was released in May of 1977 and started it all. It was George Lucas' Mona Lisa. It was the first big blockbuster and gave everyone Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Chewbacca and more. On this episode of REWATCH, Kristian Harloff, Steph Sabraw and Mike Kalinowski breakdown the classic, the grand daddy, Episode IV. Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Mike Kalinowski https://bit.ly/39wu8N5 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
WE FINISHED THE PREQUEL TRILOGY BEEZIES! Greg Reasoner joins us again and we break down the movie in ways it never has been before. Where do Darth Names come from? Do they Sith name reveal parties? Why does Obi-Wan look like Jesus? Why is Palpatine look so prune-y? Is he from a planet where they all look like that? Why do some of the Jedi sound like little b****es when they die? Is Yoda on drugs? How come no one ever points out why he talks weird? Is Anakin still on codeine? How does Padme not see all of the red flags? Daddy issues? SO MANY QUESTIONS! Check out our website at: https://www.icbtb.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/icbtbpodcast/ Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/it-cant-be-that-bad/id1470379470 Or listen to us on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7FsYf47r7B8fyxgG9elgt9?si=o4k6CKcKS96N6k2t-_WBVw Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjEA7-SGoTV8a5_PfyrxDOg Check out our sponsor, M3is3D! https://m3is3d.com Check out our other sponsor, Wild Heart Stones! https://wildheartstones.com #starwars #review #badmovies #moviereview #revengeofthesith #jedi #anakin #disney #georgelucas #podcast #pod #comedy #comedians #funny #haha
This week a review of DeathLoop, which is great btw. News out of THQ Nordic, 343 and Jurassic World Evolution 2. Meanwhile Epic and Apple cant squash their beef. Activision isn't out of hot water yet. Disney+ announces Disney+ day. And several high profile Hollywood A listers stir the pot.
Jake and Josh discuss the latest news on Tua Tagovailoa, Jacoby Brissett, the offensive line, and questions & answers from this week's mail bag. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
This week James and Hunter talk about Hit-Monkey & Peacemaker's teaser trailers, Predator's indefinite hiatus, Mark Millar's new title, IDW leaving Diamond, Obi-Wan's filming status, a potential Marvel vs Capcom 2 remaster, Venom's new posters and a still potential Sinister Six movie. For this week's topic James & Hunter talk about the New 52 on its 10th anniversary, they converse about the behind the scenes and the plethora of titles! Book reviews this week; FRONTIERSMAN W: Patrick Kindlon A: Marco Ferrari P: Image WHAT'S THE FURTHEST PLACE FROM HERE W: Matthew Rosenberg A: Tyler Boss P: Image THE DEATH OF DOCTOR STRANGE W: Jed MacKay A: Lee Garbett P: Marvel Grab Some T-Shirts & More at www.teepublic.com/user/androidsamazingpodcast Facebook: Android's Amazing Comics Twitter: @androidsamazing Instagram: @androids_comics & @androidsamazingpodcast Website: www.androidscomics.com Don't forget to RATE, REVIEW and SHARE with a friend!
This week we at The Weekly Cut list our top 5 Zombie Movies of all time. Be sure to let us know in the comments if you agree or if there are any we missed! As well as this, we go through all the latest news of the week including Venom news, Obi Wan updates, MCU Zombie live action news, Lightyear updates and a round up of the Emmy's. We also discuss the latest Halloween Kills trailer. Be sure to stick around to hear about What's on our Screens and find out what's lurking in our Box of Scraps!
The Morning Show is back for a second season, and we're breaking down everything in the finale. From the time jump to the looming presence of Covid-19, we're touching on it all. Plus, we talk about what we want to see from Obi-Wan and the recent comments on the Star Wars franchise from Editor Marcis Lucas. Website: wasitgood.info YouTube: youtube.com/wasitgood
Hey everyone! Today we'll be looking at a very cool short story by Claudia Gray about Qui-Gon Jinn visiting Obi-Wan during A New Hope. We learn some very interesting things from Jinn about life after death, so let's jump right in! Please email me with your thoughts and requests at my email email@example.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app
We are once again one with The Force as we fly head first into the world of Star Wars with the Best Star Wars Battle bracket. Will a classic showdown win out, or will a modern matchup blow us away? - Welcome to first-time guest host and prequels fan, Andre! - Spoonful of Sugar + Pull of the Pod - We choose our own lightsaber colors - Chris doesn't know what General Grievous is suffering from, but it starts with an E - Turnt Boi Qui-Gon? - The Rogue One marketing team killed it - Who was really responsible for the Battle of Geonosis? - The Jedi are just the Feds. - Debating R2's Eco Mode. - Obi Wan's iconic head fake. Got a rebuttal? Want to be a tiebreaker host? We'd love to hear from you: Email us at firstname.lastname@example.org Tweet us @MouseMadnessPod Follow us on Instagram @MouseMadnessPod Chat with us on Discord: discord.gg/qwpqAWA Join or Facebook Community: fb.me/MouseMadnessPodcast
Welcome to the place where I get to let my geek flag fly and talk about all things geek. Basically a fuzzy guide to life, the universe, and everything but mostly geek stuff. This is where I look into the world of geekdom and some geek news, comics, The Simpsons, Star Wars, and whatever randomness finds its way onto the recording. This level includes: Tony Curren joins The Flash Season 8 as Despero plus Armageddon special event Bridget Regan joins Batwoman as Poison Ivy More Christopher Lloyd as Rick LEGO Star Wars Terrifying Tales trailer – Oct 1 Grogu is the first Star Wars Macy's balloon courtesy of Pop! Dexter: New Blood trailer – Nov 7 on Showtime Non-spoiler Shang-Chi thoughts Owen Wilson & Rosario Dawson to star in Haunted Mansion movie Video mashing up bully Spider-Man and Kylo Ren from TLJ Graphic of color-coded Hero teams Star Trek news for Picard, Strange New Worlds, Discovery, Prodigy, & Lower Decks Warner Brothers to use AI management system to greenlight future entertainment RIP Michael K Williams Grogu doll in Tennessee found with 167 Fentanyl pills inside Injustice trailer – Oct 19th Details from cancelled New Warriors live-action show Sonic team plans Teddy Ruxpin movie and TV – hybrid live action and CGI Thirteen vehicles from Mad Max: Fury Road up for auction – Sept 25-26 Spider-Man 2 trailer from Insomniac Games The Wolverine teaser from Insomniac Eternals and The King's Man get exclusive theater runs Voice actor for Yoda Tom Kane retires Amazon developing a live-action She-Ra series Paramount restructuring and it looks like they'll focus on streaming Grendel Dark Horse comic from Matt Wagner gets 8 episode live action series on Netflix Anthony Mackie starring in live action Twisted Metal series Ed Asner to ghost star in Disney's Muppets Haunted Mansion – Oct 8 Winnie the Pooh Bearbnb Marvel's Hit Monkey on Hulu – Nov 17 Frank Grillo interview suggests Crossbones could appear in more MCU content The Matrix Resurrections teaser and full trailer Avengers made in the 90s image Blank release dates for MCU and Star Wars Bob's Burgers is first Disney 2D animation since 2011 Nightmare Alley trailer from Guillermo del Toro Hawkeye trailer & Rogers Musical Star Wars Hunters video game trailer Bryce Dallas Howard is rebooting Flight of the Navigator Spider-Man: Work From Home image Epic Grampa Simpson tattoo Hayden Christensen repping Obi Wan show at cons Lawrence Kasdan directed 6 episode docuseries about George Lucas New Aquaman images Lil Nas X survived the Thanos snap WandaVision and Mandalorian win creative arts Emmys Penguin show on HBOMax Rumor of Wolverine in a 2024 film QuaranScreen watches plus brief thoughts: Batwoman / Superman & Lois / The Flash / Black Lightning / Supergirl / Legends of Tomorrow / Love Death + Robots / The Bad Batch / Sweet Tooth / LEGO Masters / Monsters at Work / Jungle Cruise / The Good, the Bart, and the Loki / Masters of the Universe: Revelation / 2017 Spider-Man / Ultimate Spider-Man / The Suicide Squad / What If…? / The Tomorrow War/ Behind the Attraction all 10 episodes / Disney Gallery Star Wars: The Mandalorian S2:E2 Making of the Season 2 Finale / Goofy pandemic shorts / Titans Season 3 / Shang-Chi / The Predator (2018 by Shane Black) / Harley Quinn S1 & 2 / MODOK / Reminiscence / Y: The Last Man / Chaos Walking / 1966 Batman Movie / The Return of the Caped Crusaders / Scooby Doo & Batman: The Brave & the Bold / What We Do in the Shadows Congrats on completing Level 261 of the podcast! Thank YOU for being a part of this hilarity! May the force be with us all, thanks for stopping by, you stay classy, be excellent to each other and party on dudes! TTFN… Wookiee out! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/laugh-it-up-fuzzball/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/laugh-it-up-fuzzball/support
On this episode of John and Wendy Explain the World, hosts John Rocha and Wendy Lee talk Sung Kang teasing his role in the Obi-Wan series and what he revealed about it. They also discuss the trailers for West Side Story, Nightmare Alley, and Dear Evan Hansen, the Christopher Nolan news for his next project, the HyunA&DAWN PING PONG music video, Jeopardy host updates, the insane Gabby Petito story and more! PLUS, they answer all YOUR SuperChat and Streamlabs questions on the show. To send a question or comment for John and Wendy Explain the World on StreamLabs, go to: https://streamlabs.com/johnrochasays/tip Also, you can support John Rocha and The Outlaw Nation on his Patreon at: https://www.patreon.com/JohnRocha Chapters: 0:00 Intro and Rundown 3:55 Christopher Nolan's Next Film to Universal 11:07 Sung Kang Teases His Role in Kenobi Series 17:41 Tom Hanks New Movie FINCH 26:52 West Side Story, Nightmare Alley, and Dear Evan Hansen Trailers 32:35 WHAT'S TRENDING- LanternFly Updates 36:52 JEOPARDY Hosts Updates 42:26 K-Pop Corner- HyunA&DAWN's Ping Pong Video 48:25 Gabby Pettito Story 59:56 Coming Soon and What We Recommend 1:09:17 Wrap Up and Social Media Plugs #ObiWan #Disney #NightmareAlley Follow John Rocha: https://twitter.com/TheRochaSays Follow Wendy Lee: https://twitter.com/WendyLeeSzany
We review the new trailer for STAR WARS HUNTERS with special guest Steve Glossen (Geek Out Loud), who sticks around for the whole show. A new George Lucas documentary is on the way per film composer James Newton Howard, who also has some WILLOW news. Plus, a STAR WARS DETOURS release update, Tom Kane's early retirement, and R.I.P. Norm Macdonald. And, we discuss whether or not Luke knew about the Jedi Knights before Obi-Wan told him about his father.
Today we are analyzing Darth Vader's fighting style against Anakin's style. Who was more powerful? When Darth Vader erased his identity as Anakin Skywalker, the two became two completely different people. Both having their own strengths and weaknesses. Looking closely, you can see vast differences between the way the two fight. Did Vader lose ability after his loss to Obi-Wan? Did his cybernetics help or hurt his fighting proficiency? Let's take an analytical look at Darth Vader vs Anakin and see who had developed the more powerful fighting style. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
THEORY THURSDAY - Today we look into an interesting introspection from Emperor Palpatine. As Palpatine is confronting Luke, he is able to sense feelings from Luke that give him information about his enemies. We are going to learn about the Emperor's reactions to both Yoda and Obi-Wan's deaths. What did he think of as he pondered these two advisories dying? Let's open up the evil mind of Emperor Palpatine when he learned of their deaths. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
WHAT IF WEDNESDAY - SPECIAL DOUBLE EDITION - What If Obi-Wan Kenobi NEVER Followed Padme to Mustafar Part 1 and Part 2 have been remastered into a full feature podcast. During this “What If” scenario, Anakin is never surprised and enraged by Obi-Wan on Mustafar giving Padme the opportunity to salvage the good left in him. Find out this exciting story from beginning to end as we see an alternate timeline where Anakin joins forces with Obi-Wan and Yoda to battle Palpatine. Who will survive? The winner controls the fate of the galaxy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A new poster for Star Wars Visions, a trailer for Lego SW Terrifying Tales, unused concept art for The Rise of Skywalker and Mark Hamill tweets his name. Plus Star Wars in heavy metal and Obi-Wan rumored to get wet.......again. thewarsandmore.com email email@example.com twitter.com/thewarsandmore facebook.com/thewarsandmore Topic Links https://www.starwars.com/news/check-out-the-official-beautiful-star-wars-visions-poster https://www.starwars.com/news/5-haunting-highlights-in-the-new-lego-star-wars-terrifying-tales-trailer https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/09/05/mark-hamill-viral-star-wars-actor-tweets-his-own-name/5743429001/ https://www.jedinews.com/film-music-tv/articles/adam-brockbank-shares-unused-dark-rey-concept-art-from-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/ https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-lightsaber-duel-eddie/
Book Club: Call to Vengeance.Matt and John return to the Jedi Apprentice series reviews with Jude Watson's A Call to Vengeance, wherein Qui-Gon teeters to the edge of the Dark Side, Obi-Wan progresses a little more to the man we would come to know, and a surprising insight into Mace Windu is found. Also they ask, would there be a law or rule for Jedi who strayed since they were officials of the Republic? All this and more! HostJohn Mills and Matthew RushingSend us your feedback!Twitter: @TheJediMasters Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheNerdParty/ Email: http://www.thenerdparty.com/contactSubscribe in Apple Podcasts
Book Club: Call to Vengeance. Matt and John return to the Jedi Apprentice series reviews with Jude Watson's A Call to Vengeance, wherein Qui-Gon teeters to the edge of the Dark Side, Obi-Wan progresses a little more to the man we would come to know, and a surprising insight into Mace Windu is found. Also they ask, would there be a law or rule for Jedi who strayed since they were officials of the Republic? All this and more! Host John Mills and Matthew Rushing Send us your feedback! Twitter: @TheJediMasters Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheNerdParty/ Email: http://www.thenerdparty.com/contact Subscribe in Apple Podcasts
The latest rumors about the Obi-Wan Kenobi series have us wondering if Obi-Wan will venture to Dagobah to seek out Yoda in the upcoming Disney Plus series. We also give our takes on the trailer for the upcoming LEGO Star Wars Terrifying Tales special, the latest on Star Wars Visions, and of course the recent Hasbro announcements including the Rey Skywalker lightsaber! The Resistance base is open to all, so spread the word about our Star Wars podcast and join us! Please be sure to subscribe free to the show on your preferred platform!
MANDO-VERSE MONDAY - Even though Obi-Wan was a dominant fighter, he lost to Dooku in Revenge of the Sith. This is surprising because he is able to beat Anakin later on. Today we take a deeper dive into why Obi-Wan lost to Count Dooku. How was Dooku able to get the best of him? What was Dooku's advantage? Let's take a closer look at Obi-Wan versus Dooku and discover why Obi-Wan ultimately lost. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The nFo family received sad news. Friend and pro wrestler Daffney Unger (Shannon Spruill) passed away this week and this show is dedicated to her. Lots of video game and Old republic news this week. We hit a few lists and discuss a possible name change for the Mando series. Speaking of Mando they won few awards and Johnny Favs might be pissed at Pedro. On Who's More OVER this week two very iconic saber battles get the nod. It's Obi Wan and Anakin from Epidsode 3 vs Maul and Ahsoka from Clone Wars season 7. Which battle is more OVER! As usual email firstname.lastname@example.org for comments, answers or with suggestions. Please support the That Yoda Guy museum and Nick Maley @Nick Maley on Facebook. Unique one of a kind Star Wars items for sale there!!! If you or someone you know is experiencing an emotional crisis or thoughts of suicide, no-cost 24/7 confidential support and crisis resources are available from the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or via Chat from www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org. Crisis Text Line – text HELLO to 741741 to connect with a Crisis Counselor
What If...Obi Wan finished the job? What If...Lightning McQueen had gone into the pits? What if...Max and Goofy actually went to Lake Destiny, Idaho? In the age of the MCU multiverse, we decided to dive deep into some of our own "What If..." scenarios. It's the type of conversation all true movie nerds have all the time, but this time we recorded it!
MANDO-VERSE MONDAY - Today we discuss the question: Why didn't Obi-Wan Train Luke Skywalker Earlier? The Jedi standard training in regards to Force sensitive children was to begin at a very early age. If Obi-Wan knew that Luke was the last best chance of the Jedi and that training Luke at a younger age would follow Jedi protocols, then why did he wait so long to train Luke. There would have been so many benefits with raising Luke in the Light Side of the Force. He could have grown in power versus the hurry up training we saw in A New Hope. Listen as we uncover the interesting reason why Obi-Wan waited to train Luke. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Revenge of the Sith was released in May of 2005, This is widely talked about as the best prequel era film. The turn of Anakin to Vader, Obi-Wan to Tattoine, Yoda vs Palpatine. Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw deep dive in the ongoing series of the prequel rewatches. Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Mike Kalinowski https://bit.ly/39wu8N5 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ben and J discuss: going to Disney, recognizing your limits, year round school, vampires, donating blood, sawmills and hyperfixation, the McDonalds purple slide, ball pits, and Star Wars Show Notes: Cillian Murphy IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0614165/ Year round schooling: https://www.edweek.org/leadership/year-round-schooling-explained/2015/12 Diablo 2 Resurrected: https://www.windowscentral.com/diablo-2-remastered “Obi Wan taught you well” and “High Ground” scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFdkkBISEKU Ben's Wick of the Peek - Collecting in general J's Pick of the Week - Atypical (Netflix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieHh4U-QYwU Support the Show and Vote for Host: https://www.patreon.com/popcornculture Get your own GMA stickers: https://store.dftba.com/products/gma-stickers Email the show: email@example.com Discuss the Podcast on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/PopcornCulture/ Follow the Show on Twitter: https://twitter.com/apopcast Discuss the Podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHfIbq9thHPC8yrKjAdJgDA
Today we are bringing to life the much anticipated, Part 2 of my “What If” episode: What If Obi-Wan Never Followed Padme to Mustafar. If you remember, Anakin was at a very intense moment emotionally when Padme confronted him. Obi-Wan surprises Anakin on Mustafar, literally pushing him over the edge. Anakin pulls away feeling completely betrayed. Our alternate scenario follows what would have changed if Obi-Wan never snuck on board Padme's ship, surprising Anakin. To recap, Part 1 has Padme reasoning with Anakin, keeping him safe long enough to atone for his actions with Yoda and Obi-Wan. Our alternate chain of events led to a climactic confrontation against Palpatine. Let's jump back into this action packed “What If” episode as Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan square off against Palpatine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
RULE OF TWO IRL - Today we conclude with Part 4 our interview with Stephen Stanton. Today Stephen gives us his interpretation of the final battle and understanding between Maul and Obi-Wan. We also get Stephen's view on how Ewan McGregor will play Kenobi in the new show and also his thoughts on where Star Wars is going from an insider's perspective. Stephen is an extremely talented voice actor known for his work as the voice of Governor Tarkin in Star Wars : The Clone Wars, Rebels and most recently The Bad Batch. We bring you the final episode of our interview with Stephen Stanton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
THEORY THURSDAY - Today we explore the reason why Obi-Wan didn't change Luke's last name from Skywalker. The sole purpose of separating the children was to protect their identities, but for some reason Luke was brought up knowing and being known as Luke Skywalker. Why did Obi-Wan feel it was safe for Luke to keep the name Skywalker? Let's dive into Obi-Wan's bold decision and discover why Luke was allowed to keep his infamous family name. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Star Wars, Star Wars, Ken Napzok and Kristian Harloff back together talking Star Wars. Well, not just. Ken Napzok joins Kristian and they talk about Ken's journey in stand up comedy, Kristian returning, doing stuff together and more. They get into Star Wars, what they are looking forward to, what they think Obi-Wan will be and then dogs, yes lots of dogs. Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Brett Sheridan https://bit.ly/2HBltii Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Kate Mulligan https://bit.ly/3owBneT Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Part 3 of 3. Our summer series on Obi-Wan Kenobi comes to a close with our finale episode all about Obi-Wan embodying the tarot card figure of “The Hanged Man.” What does that mean and how can we consider Obi-Wan as this figure? Caitlin and Charlotte discuss Kenobi as a spiritual figure, his personal tragedies, how he stands between the living and spiritual world, Obi-Wan as a sacrificial figure, comparisons to Ben Solo, and much more. The Making of Star Wars by JW Rinzler The Making of Revenge of the Sith by JW Rinzler Star Wars Archives 1 & 2 by Paul Duncan Behind the Scenes documentaries & interviews (like this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ihqDETf324) The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels Labyrinth of Evil by James Luceno Labyrinthos Tarot Card Meanings A.E. Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot The Hanged Man: Save 10% on your Super Yaki order with code SUPERSKYTALKERS! https://www.patreon.com/skytalkers http://skytalkers.com http://www.twitter.com/skytalkerspod https://www.tiktok.com/@skytalkers http://facebook.com/skytalkerspod https://www.instagram.com/skytalkerspodcast http://www.twitter.com/crerrity http://www.twitter.com/caitlinplesher firstname.lastname@example.org