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In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the generative AI sophomore slump. You will discover why so many businesses are stuck at the same level of AI adoption they were two years ago. You will learn how anchoring to initial perceptions and a lack of awareness about current AI capabilities limits your organization’s progress. You will understand the critical difference between basic AI exploration and scaling AI solutions for significant business outcomes. You will gain insights into how to articulate AI’s true value to stakeholders, focusing on real world benefits like speed, efficiency, and revenue. Tune in to see why your approach to AI may need an urgent update! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-generative-ai-sophomore-slump-part-1.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In-Ear Insights, let’s talk about the sophomore slump. Katie, you were talking about the sophomore slump in regards to generative AI. I figured we could make this into a two-part series. So first, what is the sophomore slump? Katie Robbert – 00:15 So I’m calling it the sophomore slump. Basically, what I’m seeing is a trend of a lot of companies talking about, “We tried. We started implementing AI two years ago—generative AI to be specific—and we’re stalled out.” We are at the same place we were two years ago. We’ve optimized some things. We’re using it to create content, maybe create some images, and that’s about it. Everyone fired everyone. There’s no one here. It’s like a ghost town. The machines are just whirring away in the background. And I’m calling it the sophomore slump because I’m seeing this pattern of companies, and it all seems to be—they’re all saying the same—two years ago. Katie Robbert – 01:03 And two years ago is when generative AI really hit the mainstream market in terms of its availability to the masses, to all of us, versus someone, Chris, like you, who had been using it through IBM and other machine learning systems and homegrown systems. So I bring it up because it’s interesting, because I guess there’s a lot to unpack here. AI is this magic tool that’s gonna solve your problems and do all the things and make you dinner and clean your room. I feel like there’s a lot of things wrong or a lot of things that are just not going right. A lot of companies are hitting this two-year mark, and they’re like, “What now? What happened? Am I better off? Not really.” Katie Robbert – 02:00 I’m just paying for more stuff. So Chris, are you seeing this as well? Is this your take? Christopher S. Penn – 02:07 It is. And a lot of it has to do with what psychology calls anchoring, where your understanding something is anchored to your first perceptions of it. So when ChatGPT first came out in November 2022 and became popular in January 2023, what were people using it for? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And two years later, where are we? “Let’s write some blog posts.” And the capabilities have advanced exponentially since then. One of the big things that we’ve heard from clients and I’ve seen and heard at trade shows and conferences and all this stuff: people don’t understand even what’s possible with the tools, what you can do with them. Christopher S. Penn – 02:56 And as a result, they’re still stuck in 2023 of “let’s write some blog posts.” Instead, “Hey, today, use this tool to build software. Use this tool to create video. Use this tool to make fully synthetic podcasts.” So as much as it makes me cringe, there’s this term from consulting called “the art of the possible.” And that really is still one of the major issues for people to open their minds and go, “Oh, I can do this!” This morning on LinkedIn, I was sharing from our livestream a couple weeks ago: “Hey, you can use NotebookLM to make segments of your sales playbook as training audio, as a training podcast internally so that you could help new hires onboard quickly by having a series of podcasts made from your own company’s materials.” Katie Robbert – 03:49 Do you think that when Generative AI hit the market, people jumped on it too quickly? Is that the problem? Or is it evolving so fast? Or what do you think happened that two years later, despite all the advances, companies are stalled out in what we’re calling the sophomore slump? Christopher S. Penn – 04:13 I don’t think they jumped on it too quickly. I don’t think they kept up with the changes. Again, it’s anchoring. One of the very interesting things that I’ve seen at workshops: for example, we’ve been working with SMPS—the Society for Marketing Professional Services—and they’re one of our favorite clients because we get a chance to hang out with them twice a year, every year, for two-day workshops. And I noted at the most recent one, the demographic of the audience changed radically. In the first workshop back in late 2023, it was 60-40 women to men, as mid- to senior-level folks. In this most recent was 95-5 women and much more junior-level folks. And I remember commenting to the organizers, I said, “What’s going on here?” Christopher S. Penn – 05:02 And they said what they’ve heard is that all senior-level folks are like, “Oh yeah, I know AI. We’re just going to send our junior people.” I’m like, “But what I’m presenting today in 2025 is so far different from what you learned in late 2023.” You should be here as a senior leader to see what’s possible today. Katie Robbert – 05:26 I have so many questions about that kind of mentality. “I know everything I need to know, therefore it doesn’t apply to me.” Think about non-AI-based technology, think about the rest of your tech stack: servers, cloud storage, databases. Those things aren’t static. They change and evolve. Maybe not at the pace that generative AI has been evolving, but they still change, and there’s still things to know and learn. Unless you are the person developing the software, you likely don’t know everything about it. And so I’ve always been really suspicious of people who have that “I know everything I need to know, I can’t learn any more about this, it’s just not relevant” sort of mentality. That to me is hugely concerning. Katie Robbert – 06:22 And so it sounds like what you are seeing as a pattern in addition to this sophomore slump is people saying, “I know enough. I don’t need to keep up with it. I’m good.” Christopher S. Penn – 06:34 Exactly. So their perception of generative AI and its capabilities, and therefore knowing what to ask for as leaders, is frozen in late 2023. Their understanding has not evolved. And while the technology has evolved, as a point of comparison, generative AI’s capabilities in terms of what the tools can double every six months. So a task that took an hour for AI to do six months ago now takes 30 minutes. A task that they couldn’t do six months ago, they can do now. And so since 2023, we’ve essentially had what—five doublings. That’s two to the fifth power: five doublings of its capabilities. Christopher S. Penn – 07:19 And so if you’re stuck in late 2023, of course you’re having a sophomore slump because it’s like you learned to ride a bicycle, and today there is a Bugatti Chiron in your driveway, and you’re like, “I’m going to bicycle to the store.” Well, you can do a bit more than that now. You can go a little bit faster. You can go places you couldn’t go previously. And I don’t know how to fix that. I don’t know how to get the messaging out to those senior leaders to say what you think about AI is not where the technology is today. Which means that if you care about things like ROI—what is the ROI of AI?—you are not unlocking value because you don’t even know what it can do. Katie Robbert – 08:09 Well, see, and now you’re hitting on because you just said, “I don’t know how to reach these leaders.” But yet in the same sentence, you said, “But here are the things they care about.” Those are the terms that need to be put in for people to pay attention. And I’ll give us a knock on this too. We’re not putting it in those terms. We’re not saying, “Here’s the value of the latest and greatest version of AI models,” or, “Here’s how you can save money.” We’re talking about it in terms of what the technology can do, not what it can do for you and why you should care. I was having this conversation with one of our clients this morning as they’re trying to understand what GPTs, what models their team members are using. Katie Robbert – 09:03 But they weren’t telling the team members why. They were asking why it mattered if they knew what they were using or not. And it’s the oldest thing of humankind: “Just tell me what’s in it for me? How does this make it about me? I want to see myself in this.” And that’s one of the reasons why the 5Ps is so useful. So this isn’t necessarily “use the 5Ps,” but it could be. So the 5Ps are Purpose, People, Process, Platform, Performance, when we’re the ones at the cutting edge. And we’re saying, “We know that AI can do all of these really cool things.” It’s our responsibility to help those who need the education see themselves in it. Katie Robbert – 09:52 So, Chris, one of the things that we do is, on Mondays we send out a roundup of everything that’s happened with AI. And you can get that. That’s our Substack newsletter. But what we’re not doing in that newsletter is saying, “This is why you should pay attention.” But not “here’s the value.” “If you implement this particular thing, it could save you money.” This particular thing could increase your productivity. And that’s going to be different for every client. I feel like I’m rambling and I’m struggling through my thought process here. Katie Robbert – 10:29 But really what it boils down to, AI is changing so fast that those of us on the front lines need to do a better job of explaining not just why you should care, but what the benefit is going to be, but in the terms that those individuals care about. And that’s going to look different for everyone. And I don’t know if that’s scalable. Christopher S. Penn – 10:50 I don’t think it is scalable. And I think the other issue is that so many people are locked into the past that it’s difficult to even make headway into explaining how this thing will benefit you. So to your point, part of our responsibility is to demonstrate use cases, even simple ones, to say: “Here, with today’s modern tooling, here’s a use case that you can use generative AI for.” So at the workshop yesterday that we have this PDF-rich, full of research. It’s a lot. There’s 50-some-odd pages, high-quality data. Christopher S. Penn – 11:31 But we said, “What would it look like if you put this into Google Gemini and turn it into a one-page infographic of just the things that the ideal customer profile cares about?” And suddenly the models can take that, distill it down, identify from the ideal customer profile the five things they really care about, and make a one-page infographic. And now you’ve used the tools to not just process words but make an output. And they can say, “Oh, I understand! The value of this output is: ‘I don’t have to wait three weeks for Creative to do exactly the same thing.'” We can give the first draft to Creative and get it turned around in 24 hours because they could add a little polish and fix the screw-ups of the AI. Christopher S. Penn – 12:09 But speed. The key output there is speed: high quality. But Creative is already creating high-quality. But speed was the key output there. In another example, everybody their cousin is suddenly, it’s funny, I see this on LinkedIn, “Oh, you should be using GPTs!” I’m like, “You should have been using GPTs for over a year and a half now!” What you should be doing now is looking at how to build MCPs that can go cross-platform. So it’s like a GPT, but it goes anywhere you go. So if your company uses Copilot, you will be able to use an MCP. If your company uses Gemini, you’ll be able to use this. Christopher S. Penn – 12:48 So what does it look like for your company if you’ve got a great idea to turn it into an MCP and maybe put it up for sale? Like, “Hey, more revenue!” The benefit to you is more revenue. You can take your data and your secret sauce, put it into this thing—it’s essentially an app—and sell it. More revenue. So it’s our responsibility to create these use cases and, to your point, clearly state: “Here’s the Purpose, and here’s the outcome.” Money or time or something. You could go, “Oh, I would like that!” Katie Robbert – 13:21 It occurs to me—and I feel silly that this only just occurred to me. So when we’re doing our roundup of “here’s what changed with AI week over week” to pull the data for that newsletter, we’re using our ideal customer profile. But we’re not using our ideal customer profile as deeply as we could be. So if those listening aren’t familiar, one of the things that we’ve been doing at Trust Insights is taking publicly available data, plus our own data sets—our CRM data, our Google Analytics data—and building what we’re calling these ideal customer profiles. So, a synthetic stand-in for who should be a Trust Insights customer. And it goes pretty deep. It goes into buying motivations, pain points, things that the ideal customer would care about. Katie Robbert – 14:22 And as we’re talking, it occurs to me, Chris, we’re saying, “Well, it’s not scalable to customize the news for all of these different people, but using generative AI, it might be.” It could be. So I’m not saying we have to segment off our newsletter into eight different versions depending on the audience, but perhaps there’s an opportunity to include a little bit more detail around how a specific advancement in generative AI addresses a specific pain point from our ideal customer profile. Because theoretically, it’s our ideal customers who are subscribing to our content. It’s all very—I would need to outline it in how all these things connect. Katie Robbert – 15:11 But in my brain, I can see how, again, that advanced use case of generative AI actually brings you back to the basics of “How are you solving my problem?” Christopher S. Penn – 15:22 So in an example from that, you would say, “Okay, which of the four dimensions—it could be more—but which of the four dimensions does this news impact?” Bigger, better, faster, cheaper. So which one of these does this help? And if it doesn’t align to any of those four, then maybe it’s not of use to the ICP because they can go, “Well, this doesn’t make me do things better or faster or save me money or save me time.” So maybe it’s not that relevant. And the key thing here, which a lot of folks don’t have in their current capabilities, is that scale. Christopher S. Penn – 15:56 So when we make that change to the prompt that is embedded inside this AI agent, the agent will then go and apply it to a thousand different articles at a scale that you would be copying and pasting into ChatGPT for three days to do the exact same thing. Katie Robbert – 16:12 Sounds awful. Christopher S. Penn – 16:13 And that’s where we come back to where we started with this about the sophomore slump is to say, if the people are not building processes and systems that allow the use of AI to scale, everyone is still in the web interface. “Oh, open up ChatGPT and do this thing.” That’s great. But at this point in someone’s AI evolution, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude or whatever could be your R&D. That’s where you do your R&D to prove that your prompt will even work. But once you’ve done R&D, you can’t live in R&D. You have to take it to development, staging, and eventually production. Taking it on the line so that you have an AI newsletter. Christopher S. Penn – 16:54 The machine spits out. You’ve proven that it works through the web interface. You’ve proven it works by testing it. And now it’s, “Okay, how do we scale this in production?” And I feel like because so many people are using generative AI as language tools rather than seeing them as what they are—which is thinly disguised programming tools—they don’t think about the rest of the SDLC and say, “How do we take this and put it in production?” You’re constantly in debug mode, and you never leave it. Katie Robbert – 17:28 Let’s go back to the audience because one of the things that you mentioned is that you’ve seen a shift in the demographic to who you’ve been speaking to. So it was upper-level management executives, and now those folks feel like they know enough. Do you think part of the challenge with this sophomore slump that we’re seeing is what the executives and the upper-level management think they learned? Is it not also then getting distilled down into those junior staff members? So it’s also a communication issue, a delegation issue of: “I learned how to build a custom GPT to write blogs for me in my voice.” “So you go ahead and do the same thing,” but that’s where the conversation ends. Or, “Here’s my custom GPT. You can use my voice when I’m not around.” Katie Robbert – 18:24 But then the marketing ants are like, “Okay, but what about everything else that’s on my plate?” Do you feel like that education and knowledge transfer is part of why we’re seeing this slump? Christopher S. Penn – 18:36 Absolutely, I think that’s part of it. And again, those leaders not knowing what’s happening on the front lines of the technology itself means they don’t know what to ask for. They remember that snapshot of AI that they had in October 2023, and they go, “Oh yeah, we can use this to make more blog posts.” If you don’t know what’s on the menu, then you’re going to keep ordering the same thing, even if the menu’s changed. Back in 2023, the menu is this big. It’s “blog posts.” “Okay, I like more blog posts now.” The menu is this big. And saying: you can do your corporate strategy. You can audit financial documents. You can use Google Colab to do advanced data analysis. You can make videos and audio and all this stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 19:19 And so the menu that looks like the Cheesecake Factory. But the executive still has the mental snapshot of an index card version of the menu. And then the junior person goes to a workshop and says, “Wow! The menu looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu now!” Then they come back to the office, and they say, “Oh, I’ve got all these ideas that we can implement!” The executives are like, “No, just make more blog posts.” “That’s what’s on the menu!” So it is a communication issue. It’s a communication issue. It is a people issue. Christopher S. Penn – 19:51 Which is the problem. Katie Robbert – 19:53 Yeah. Do you think? So the other trend that I’m seeing—I’m trying to connect all these things because I’m really just trying to wrap my head around what’s happening, but also how we can be helpful—is this: I’m seeing a lot of this anti-AI. A lot of that chatter where, “Humans first.” “Humans still have to do this.” And AI is not going to replace us because obviously the conversation for a while is, “Will this technology take my job?” And for some companies like Duolingo, they made that a reality, and now it’s backfiring on them. But for other people, they’re like, “I will never use AI.” They’re taking that hard stance to say, “This is just not what I’m going to do.” Christopher S. Penn – 20:53 It is very black and white. And here’s the danger of that from a strategy perspective. People have expectations based on the standard. So in 1998, people like, “Oh, this Internet thing’s a fad!” But the customer expectations started to change. “Oh, I can order any book I want online!” I don’t have to try to get it out of the borders of Barnes and Noble. I can just go to this place called Amazon. Christopher S. Penn – 21:24 In 2007, we got these things, and suddenly it’s, “Oh, I can have the internet wherever I go.” By the so-called mobile commerce revolution—which did happen—you got to swipe right and get food and a coffee, or have a car show up at your house, or have a date show up at your house, or whatever. And the expectation is this thing is the remote control for my life. And so every brand that did not have an app on this device got left behind because people are like, “Well, why would I use you when I have this thing? I can get whatever I want.” Now AI is another twist on this to say: we are setting an expectation. Christopher S. Penn – 22:04 The expectation is you can get a blog post written in 15 minutes by ChatGPT. That’s the expectation that has been set by the technology, whether it’s any good or not. We’ll put that aside because people will always choose convenience over quality. Which means if you are that person who’s like, “I am anti-AI. Human first. Human always. These machines are terrible,” great, you still have to produce a blog post in 15 minutes because that is the expectation set by the market. And you’re like, “No, quality takes time!” Quality is secondary to speed and convenience in what the marketplace will choose. So you can be human first, but you better be as good as a machine and as a very difficult standard to meet. Christopher S. Penn – 22:42 And so to your point about the sophomore slump, those companies that are not seeing those benefits—because they have people who are taking a point of view that they are absolutely entitled to—are not recognizing that their competitors using AI are setting a standard that they may not be able to meet anymore. Katie Robbert – 23:03 And I feel like that’s also contributing to that. The sophomore slump is in some ways—maybe it’s not something that’s present in the conscious mind—but maybe subconsciously people are feeling defeated, and they’re like, “Well, I can’t compete with my competitors, so I’m not even going to bother.” So let me twist it so that it sounds like it’s my idea to not be using AI, and I’m going to set myself apart by saying, “Well, we’re not going to use it.” We’re going to do it the old-fashioned way. Which, I remember a few years ago, Chris, we were talking about how there’s room at the table both for the Amazons and the Etsy crowds. Katie Robbert – 23:47 And so there’s the Amazon—the fast delivery, expedited, lower cost—whereas Etsy is the handmade, artisanal, bespoke, all of those things. And it might cost a little bit more, but it’s unique and crafted. And so do you think that analogy still holds true? Is there still room at the table for the “it’s going to take longer, but it’s my original thinking” blog post that might take a few days versus the “I can spin up thousands of blog posts in the few days that it’s going to take you to build the one”? Christopher S. Penn – 24:27 It depends on performance. The fifth P. If your company measures performance by things like profit margins and speed to market, there isn’t room at the table for the Etsy style. If your company measures other objectives—like maybe customer satisfaction, and values-based selling is part of how you make your money—companies say, “I choose you because I know you are sustainable. I choose you because I know you’re ethical.” Then yes, there is room at the table for that. So it comes down to basic marketing strategy, business strategy of what is it that the value that we’re selling is—is the audience willing to provide it? Which I think is a great segue into next week’s episode, which is how do you get out of the sophomore slump? So we’re going to tackle that next week’s episode. Christopher S. Penn – 25:14 But if you’ve got some thoughts about the sophomore slump that you are facing, or that maybe your competitors are facing, or that the industry is facing—do you want to talk about them? Pop them by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI: Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,200 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day about analytics, data science, and AI. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI podcast. You can find us in all the places that podcasts are served. Talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert – 25:48 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow, PyTorch, and optimizing content strategies. 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This episode marks the transition of longtime co-host Frank Lippert as he steps away to focus on his role as Director of Strategy at Delve Underground. For the past three years, Frank has been a trusted voice for candid, honest conversations about leadership, marketing, and the human side of professional services. His reflections on this journey offer valuable insights on authentic leadership, succession planning, and navigating change — themes that every professional can relate to. But as one chapter closes, another begins. The PSM Show is proud to welcome its new co-host, Damion Morris, a proven marketing leader from PCL Construction known for his innovative thinking, dynamic presence, and ability to spark meaningful conversations. Together with co-host Deirdre, Damion promises to bring fresh energy, bold ideas, and timely discussions on the topics that matter most to today's professionals. Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com

In this episode, Deirdre sits down with Uniqueka Walcott, a renowned writer and speaker, to discuss personal branding, career ownership, and workplace culture. Known as the "Billion Dollar Bid Writer," Uniqueka shares her journey of crafting a strong personal brand through strategic communications and offers insights from her experience to help individuals embrace authenticity and boost visibility. The conversation highlights pivotal career moments, emphasizing self-guidance and the importance of a supportive network. Uniqueka addresses challenges in career ownership, including mindset shifts and actionable feedback, and stresses the necessity of recognizing when change is needed. Strategies for overcoming obstacles and cultivating a workplace culture of mutual respect are also explored. Key takeaways include rejecting disrespect, being discerning with feedback, and embracing proactive change, providing listeners with practical insights to advance their personal branding and career growth.   Uniqueka Walcott, CPSM, Uniqueka Walcott Communications LLC Uniqueka Walcott is celebrated for her prowess in proposal management and strategic communications. As the founder of Uniqueka Walcott Communications LLC, she empowers others to express their authentic selves. Holding a B.A. in journalism with a focus on Public Relations from Georgia State University, Uniqueka has secured over a billion dollars in government contracts and has been featured in the Baltimore Sun. Her Personal Branding Masterclass is instrumental in helping clients boost their visibility and build meaningful connections, paving the way for their growth.     Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com

How do you turn academic setbacks into a stepping stone for medical school success? Join us as we sit down with Jennifer, the inspiring director of Georgetown's Special Master's Program (SMP), who shares her remarkable path from a pre-med student to a leader in academia. Jennifer reveals how her passion for teaching and research blossomed, steering her away from clinical practice and into a fulfilling career in education. Discover the unique history of Georgetown's SMP, the first of its kind established in 1975, offering a second chance for students to prove their mettle by taking actual medical school classes.In this episode, we shine a light on the pivotal factors that set students up for success in an SMP. Jennifer discusses the importance of addressing personal challenges such as family, financial issues, and mental health before committing to such an intense program. You'll hear the transformative story of Chad, whose dedication to his studies turned his academic life around. We also delve into the critical role of support systems and parent orientations, and the significant financial investment required for SMPs, highlighting the need for well-informed decisions.Moving forward, we explore the financial and academic incentives for choosing SMPs as a pathway to medical school. Jennifer provides valuable insights into the financial aid landscape, including reliance on federal loans, and explains why structured graduate programs often outshine disparate undergraduate courses in the eyes of medical schools. We wrap up by discussing the MCAT's role in SMP admissions and how these programs assist students by updating medical schools on their progress, underscoring the resilience and hard work required to succeed despite initial academic struggles. Get ready to be inspired by stories of perseverance and dedication, and learn how to navigate the challenges of getting into medical school.

Cause Marketing is where A/E/C firms partner with non-profits to develop campaigns that do good things for the community, help the non-profit and their cause, and advance the brand and goodwill of the company investing in it. PSM Show cohost Frank Lippert talks to Jodi Sommers of Jodi Sommers Marketing and Megan Falkenstein of Sponsors, Inc. to learn more about what goes into doing great cause marketing—the kind of campaigns where everyone benefits and everyone wins.   Jodi Sommers, CPSM, Jodi Sommers Marketing Jodi Sommers spent the past twenty-five years providing her expertise to a diverse array of AEC firms. With a bachelor's degree in marketing from the University of Florida, she has dedicated her career to the art of marketing ever since. Jodi is a Certified Professional Services Marketer and a LEED Green Associate. She served as the President of the Southwest Oregon Chapter of the American Marketing Association and led a sustainable business organization in Eugene, Oregon for three years. In 2023, Jodi launched her consulting firm, Jodi Sommers Marketing, where she offers a comprehensive range of marketing services tailored to AEC firms. Her firm specializes in cause marketing, which integrates support for nonprofits with marketing and employee engagement goals. From strategic planning and project pursuits to client feedback surveys and cause marketing, Jodi is committed to helping her clients achieve success.   Megan Falkenstein, Sponsors, Inc. Megan Falkenstein, a native of Eugene, Oregon, has over a decade of experience as a professional fundraiser and communications director. She is deeply dedicated to her work, which has focused on creating unique visual brands and compelling donor-focused storytelling for social justice nonprofits. She has spent the last 5-years as the Development Director for Sponsors, Inc. A nonprofit whose mission is to provide wrap-around supportive services and housing to formerly incarcerated individuals in Lane County. In her free time, she enjoys walking her rambunctious rescue pup along the beautiful river bike path, seeing as much live music as possible, throwing killer parties, and volunteering year-round as the Oregon Country Fair Volunteer Crew Coordinator.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Send us a Text Message.In May 2024, I attended a workshop/training course on Software Management Plans (SMP), held at the University Gustave Eiffel east of Paris, France.In this episode I talk to the organisers and participants about why SMPs might be useful and under what circumstances. Teresa Gomez-Diaz, Geneviève Romier, (2018). Research Software Management Plan template. PRESOFT project: Preservation for REsearch SOFTware (V3.2). Zenodo Preprint. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.1405614 template by Teresa Gomez-Diaz and Geneviève Romierhttp://igm.univ-mlv.fr/~teresa/presoft/2024FormationPlansGestionLogicielsRecherche/ The event schedule, presentation info etc (in French)https://www.software.ac.uk/news/software-management-plans The SMP post by the Software Sustainability Institute in the UKhttps://siteigm.univ-mlv.fr/home/ The Laboratoire d'Informatique Gaspard-Monge https://www.cnrs.fr/fr the French national research centre CNRShttps://www.inria.fr/fr the French national centre for digital research and technologySupport the Show.Thank you for listening and your ongoing support. It means the world to us! Support the show on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/codeforthought Get in touch: Email mailto:code4thought@proton.me UK RSE Slack (ukrse.slack.com): @code4thought or @piddie US RSE Slack (usrse.slack.com): @Peter Schmidt Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@code4thought or @code4thought@fosstodon.org LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pweschmidt/ (personal Profile)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/codeforthought/ (Code for Thought Profile) This podcast is licensed under the Creative Commons Licence: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

Frank sits down with Laurie Lumish, Principal and Director of Marketing and Business Development at Degenkolb Engineers, and CFO Maury Ballif to explore the secrets of building a strong working relationship that sets a new industry standard. In this engaging conversation, you'll gain practical advice on enhancing your role within the company, developing empathy, mutual understanding, and fostering seamless collaboration between marketing and finance teams. Laurie and Maury address common challenges and offer strategies for overcoming them. Their combined experience provides valuable lessons for any professional aiming to strengthen team dynamics. Tune in for actionable tips to build your internal partnerships and achieve outstanding results.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

In this follow-up episode, Frank and Deirdre dive deeper into how companies can effectively plan and execute their presence at conferences. Learn how to set SMART goals, craft a compelling message, and equip your team with effective conversation topics. Frank and Deirdre also discuss creating a staffing plan that balances attending sessions with manning the booth. This episode highlights important aspects such as ROI, achieving your overall conference goals, and more. Tune in for actionable advice that will elevate your conference strategy and drive impactful results.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Frank and Deirdre share their insights on making the most out of your professional conference experience. They discuss strategic networking, setting realistic expectations, and engaging effectively with speakers. You'll also learn about the importance of taking notes and adhering to proper conference etiquette, especially during the final keynote session. Whether you're new to conferences or a seasoned pro, this episode is filled with valuable tips to enhance your participation and takeaway.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

In this episode, I'm joined by Marci Thompson as we dive into the essence of leadership. Marci offers a unique perspective on her own approach to leading and provides valuable advice on what leaders should do more and less of to shine. Join us for a great conversation of what it truly means to be a great leader and bring your own brilliance. Marci D. Thompson, DES| Interim Chief Executive Officer/ CSO, SMPS Interim Chief Executive Officer/CSO for the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS HQ). A forward-thinker, Marci leads the strategic direction for growth, engagement, publications, and training for the Society. Marci is the Publisher of the award-winning Marketer journal; she is also a contributing writer for trade publications and a two- time book author. Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marci-thompson/

Patricia Burke is a prolific writer with Safe Tech International.  In this interview we discuss the torment she endured as a result of involuntary wireless radiation exposure, her discovery of the source and her advocacy and education efforts to help others avoid wireless radiation exposure from so-called 'smart' electric meters as well as many other topics.Here's Patricia's Substack and here are links to topics of discussion:Safe Tech International and their email:  team@safetechinternational.orgSmart Grid Dr. Sam Milham Dirty Electricity  'Dirty Electricity' and the Diseases of Civilization - Dr. Sam Milham EMF Safety Network Stop Smart Meters (based in CA) Coalition to Stop BC Hydro https://stopsmartmetersbc.com/  National Grid Smart Meter Pilot Program Description of different meters, AMI, AMR, POWERLINE The EI Wellspring https://eiwellspring.org/smartmeter.htmlWCCA About Smart Meters https://www.wccatv.com/video/about-smart-meters                                                      also see: Tech Safe with Cece Doucette https://www.wccatv.com/video/tech-safeHow often are the meters transmitting: https://emfsafetynetwork.org/pges-big-confession/  Several PG&E bulletins and spokespersons make varying claims on how often the Smart Meter electric meters transmit RF, anywhere from every hour to every 4 to 6 hours to 2% or 4% of the time. Recently CPUC administrative law judge Amy Yip-Kikugawa ordered all investor owned utilities (IOU's ) to answer Smart Meter radio frequency (RF) questions. PG&E's answers are an astounding confession!  Question 2: How many times in total (average and maximum) is a smart meter scheduled to transmit during a 24-hour period? PG&E says the average number of RF pulses for the electric meter would be about 10,000, per meter, per day and the maximum number over 190,000.Opt Out Policy for the National Grid AMR meters in MA:  DPU1383A_FinalOrder.pdf  Proposed tariffs; Massachusetts Sen. Michael O. Moore introduced the bill on Jan. 19, less than a week after the state's two largest utility companies — Eversource and National Grid — filed tariff requests seeking to charge consumers a smart meter opt-out fee of $34 per month and $11 per month, respectively. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/smart-meter-state-legislation/ Explanation of Dirty Electricity Caused by Switch Mode Power Supply in Smart Meters: https://smartgridawareness.org/2017/04/09/dr-milham-testifies-smart-meters-public-health-hazard/ Because it is at the front end of a building's wiring, the dirty electricity from the smart meter's SMPS has a gateway into that building's wiring, and also into the earth via the Support the Show.Support this podcast here: https://www.emfremedy.com/donate/Keith Cutter is President of EMF Remedy LLChttps://www.emfremedy.com/YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp8jc5qb0kzFhMs4vtgmNlgKeith's SubstackThe EMF Remedy Podcast is a production of EMF Remedy LLCHelping you helping you reduce exposure to harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation in your home.

Coffman Engineers is known for having some of the most talented, long-standing, happy marketers in A|E|C. And Chad Heimbigner, COO, and Board Director, is part of the reason why. From his heartfelt servant leadership to collaborative partnerships to lifelong learning, Chad embodies the best traits of a strong technical leader who stands by the team. Deirdre, Kate, and Chad talk about what makes a leader advocate and how to build an intentional, positive marketing/BD/leadership culture.   Coffman Engineers is a multidiscipline engineering consulting firm with almost 800 team members in 21 offices across the United States. Chad is also an active volunteer with several community organizations and serves on the University of Idaho Civil and Environmental Engineering Advisory Board.   Resources: Chad Heimbigner - LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-heimbigner-96b76131/  Coffman Engineers - www.coffman.com  Gonzaga University, Women Lead Conferences - https://www.gonzaga.edu/school-of-leadership-studies/leadership-training-and-development/women-in-leadership/conferences-and-events  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Knowing what you know now, what advice would you give to your younger self? Deirdre Booth and Kate Robinette swap professional and personal advice in this fireside chat. If you have advice to share, please post to our social media pages on Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram #psmshow! Resources: Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle, by Emily and Amelia Nagoski (available on Amazon.)  First, Break All the Rules: What the World's Greatest Managers Do Differently, by Marcus Buckingham (available on Amazon) Citizenship in a Republic (The Man in the Arena), by Theodore Roosevelt Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Two theater kids walk into an AEC firm… Kathryn Ness visits Kayla McCause from Dragonfly AEC and Kate Robinette of GO Strategies about how they apply their performing arts training and experiences to their work in marketing and business development. These three get serious about play and the transferable skills of unusual backgrounds. Enter, stage right. Kayla has a background in theater and worked in corporate marketing, giving her an appreciation of both the art and analytics behind effective marketing strategies. Energetic and inquisitive, she challenges herself to continually learn and improve in work and life, whether through asking powerful questions or experiencing different cultures. With her unique mix of skills and perspectives, Kayla gives AEC firms the tools to expand their influence and grow their revenue. From helping firms grow and diversify their market share to delivering engaging training sessions, she applies a combination of optimism and objectivity that creates connection and drives results.  Kate is a theater nerd who learned about AEC marketing when a board member of the arts council where she worked suggested she talk to his marketing director. She quickly realized her linear thinking, strategic analysis, writing, and logistics management were a killer combination for helping to win work. She spent 20 years honing her craft. Now she helps companies strengthen their marketing and BD teams, culture, and employee engagement with the same combination of talents and a (slightly less) deadline-driven rigor.  Kayla McCause, MS, CPSM - Dragonfly AEC, https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaylamccause/   Kate Robinette, CPSM - GO Strategies, https://www.linkedin.com/in/karobinettecpsm/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

**Recorded live at the 2024 SMPS Pacific Regional Conference in Portland, Oregon** Ryn (Kathryn) Bennett, MPH, is a non-binary 40 under 40 award winner, world-record-holding strongman competitor, celebrated TEDx and Ignite speaker, and advocate for developing mental toughness. They are the author of Productive Pain, a personal memoir and inspirational guide. With a background in social and behavioral health and process improvement, Ryn's professional career spans industries including tech, healthcare, and engineering/construction. Ryn used the mental fortitude and tenacity they learned in the gym to advance their career and overcome burnout, working from an entry-level process improvement role into a director position. Ryn is a Certified Professional Services Marketer and is nationally ranked as a strongman competitor. They are passionate about helping others develop the mental tenacity and internal strength they need to succeed, no matter the adversity they're facing. The podcast picks up after Ryn's keynote. A few excerpts from the keynote have been included for context, but the podcast discussion does not depend on having heard the address. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathrynbennettwrites/  Productive Pain, by Ryn Bennett (available on Amazon) https://www.proposalindustryexperts.com/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

You've heard of common sense and street sense. Get ready for farm sense, as doled out by SMPS Weld Cox awardee, Donna Corlew, FSMPS, CPSM. Learn how this self-described farm girl got her start, what she sees as the biggest changes in AEC marketing and BD, and what today's marketers can do for themselves to get ahead. Deirdre and Donna bless all the hearts in this uplifting look at our craft.   A native Tennessean, Donna Corlew's roots run deep in Southern hospitality, a culture of giving, and an abiding love of SEC football and Nashville Predators hockey. Don't let that Southern twang fool you – under the surface lies the heart and soul of a Steel Magnolia driven by a passion for coaching and helping architects, engineers, and builders identify and maximize their unique talents and expertise. She works with AEC firms across the country to focus strategic vision and market research, grow connections and chemistry with clients and prospects, and help technical staff and marketing and business development professionals to thrive and win profitable work. With over 700 technical professionals trained as effective doer-sellers, Donna brings an understanding of the AEC market and a proven track record of performance and results. https://www.linkedin.com/in/donnacorlew/  Resource links: Patrick Lencioni, The Ideal Team Player, available on amazon.com https://www.amazon.com/Ideal-Team-Player-Recognize-Cultivate-ebook/dp/B01B6AEJJ0   Catch Donna at these conferences:   https://convention.agc.org https://smps-serc.org  https://smpsmvrc.com https://smpsheartland.org  https://smpsheartland.org https://www.amplifyaec.org/   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

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In today's episode, we have a case study on authentic and intentional leadership. Frank and Deirdre talk with Justin Conger, of Conger Construction, about leadership, decision making, culture, brand, and how marketing impacts a firm.   At the helm of Conger Construction Group, Justin Conger stands as a paragon of transformative leadership. His distinct approach, grounded in the principles of servant leadership, has been the compass guiding the company's ascent in the construction sector. With the conviction that true leadership stems from serving first, Justin continuously places the needs and professional growth of his team at the forefront. This ethos has not only fostered a culture of mutual respect, trust, and empowerment within Conger Construction Group but has also been instrumental in its sustained business expansion. https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-conger-27636614/    Resource links: Conger Construction: https://www.congerbuilt.com/  Vistage: https://www.vistage.com/  Off Balance, Matthew Kelly: https://www.amazon.com/Off-Balance-Work-Life-Professional-Satisfaction/dp/1942611331  The 5 Disfunctions of a Team, Patrick Lencioni: https://www.amazon.com/Five-Dysfunctions-Team-Leadership-Fable/dp/0787960756   

Ever wonder what it takes to be a leader? Deirdre and Kathryn explore what leadership means, how to become a leader, and what it takes to go beyond a title to truly lead. They also look behind the curtain on how leadership decisions are made. They bring their education, personal experiences, and practical tips to unlock the secrets of good leadership. As a partner in GO Strategies, Kathryn brings an energy and vitality to the team that significantly promotes the mission of “making everything about marketing and business development easier.” With more than 20 years in the A/E/C industry, Kathryn brings an in-the-trenches perspective for how things work and, more importantly, how things can work better. Her sense of humor is balanced with a sense of getting-the-job done. She is a strategic thinker, an excellent listener, and provides creative solutions that work, not abstract theory that sits on shelves. As a life-long learner, she is a certified professional services marketer (CPSM), certified professional life coach (CPLC), and a 6 Types of Working Genius facilitator. Kathryn is a frequent presenter and facilitator, in both the virtual and in-person environments, presenting at national and regional conferences, and at SMPS chapters Beyond work…she loves to scuba dive and is PADI rescue diver, has been called a gym-rat (rats love cheese!), and enjoys time with her 1-year-old grandson. She served a past chapter president for the SMPS Sacramento Chapter and is currently on a committee for APWA Sacramento Chapter.   Resources: Adam Grant, Think Again (available on Amazon) Patrick Lencioni, The Ideal Team Player (available on Amazon) Edgar Schein, Humble Inquiry (available on Amazon) Six Types of Working Genius: https://www.workinggenius.com/    Connect with Kathryn Ness: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathryn-ness-cpsm-6a08928   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

What if your project summaries could proactively win work for you? Leslie Blaize, CPSM, is a case study specialist. She's sharing the secrets to making a compelling case study document that speaks to your company, your client, and prospective clients with her 1 case study = 3 wins techniques.   Resources: American Writers and Artists Institute - https://www.awai.com/  Casey Hibbard - https://www.compelling-cases.com/  SMPS Pacific Regional Conference - https://smps-prc.org/    Connect with Leslie Blaize: linkedin.com/in/freelance-writer-architecture-engineering-construction/     AEC Connect newsletter: Subscribe on LinkedIn  https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=6947590700544704513    Website: blaizecommunications.com/    blaizecommunications@gmail.com   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Did you resolve to be better organized or have better follow-through in 2024? Frank and Kate share their tips for staying on top of email, scheduling, and to do items in practical, low key ways.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com  

As another year comes to a close, Deirdre and Frank recap highlights of 2023 and expectations for 2024. It's a meaningful look at their professional and personal journeys. There's a little arm-chair market forecasting, a little lessons learned, and a lot of fun in this episode.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com  

This is part two of a two-part series on interviews and interview coaching. Professional services marketers work with a team to position for a big pursuit, write a killer proposal and get shortlisted to interview. It's the last step in the process to winning the pursuit… and, honestly, it can be a lot of fun and/or a lot of work. There are multiple personas involved, lots of moving parts, and lots of pressure. Deirdre Booth and Kathryn Ness are interviewed by Frank Lippert to help marketers set the stage for success with this important job function.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

This is part one of a two-part series on interviews and interview coaching. Professional services marketers work with a team to position for a big pursuit, write a killer proposal and get shortlisted to interview. It's the last step in the process to winning the pursuit… and, honestly, it can be a lot of fun and/or a lot of work. There are multiple personas involved, lots of moving parts, and lots of pressure. Deirdre Booth and Kathryn Ness are interviewed by Frank Lippert to help marketers set the stage for success with this important job function.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Not sure what retirement holds for you? Or maybe you know someone that's just a little uncertain about what's next for them as they retire from professional services marketing? This podcast is for you. Frank talks to his friend and mentor, Laurin McCracken, who went from professional services marketing legend to one the top watercolor painters in the world in his retirement. This is a fun conversation about figuring out what to do in retirement, how to find fulfillment, and how to put your best professional services marketing skills to use for YOU!   In his first career, Laurin McCracken, FSMPS, was a renowned marketing and business development expert and a transformative leader in the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS). Today, Laurin McCracken, AWS, NWS, is a realist watercolorist. His approach to still life painting emulates that of the Dutch and Flemish still life painters of the 16th and 17th centuries. He is a signature member of more than a dozen watercolor societies including the American Watercolor Society and the National Watercolor Society. His paintings have won multiple awards and have been included in competitive and invited exhibitions around the world. His paintings are in the permanent collections of the Watercolor Museum, Fabriano, Italy, The National Museum of China in Beijing, The Museum of the University of Mississippi and other institutions.   Resources: https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/publications/beige-book-default.htm    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Meet another TankGirl Marketing team member, Sedona Scheopner! Kate and Sedona talk about transitioning into AEC marketing, staying motivated, achieving balance, and even a little AI on this fun, getting-to-know-you chat.   Sedona brings five years of marketing experience and a lot of enthusiasm to the TankGirl team. She is passionate about learning everything about marketing for the AEC industry. Sedona is engaging and easily connects with people of all backgrounds, ages, and walks of life, making her a natural marketer. Her superpower is her ability to coordinate with teams and clients and she is a GI Jane of All Trades--contributing to proposal management, social media campaigns, graphic design, communications, and pursuit strategy.   Sedona is a member of SMPS Arizona and has a passion for learning. She soaks up training and webinars and brings back the things she learns to share with the TankGirl team.   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

If you know the Common Core, then you have probably seen the 8 Standards of Math Practice (or SMPs as we refer to them). Here at the DebateMath podcast, we are HUGE fans of SMP#3 - Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others. But we wanted to take some time to highlight some of the other SMPs. So we reached out to educators asking for their favorites, asking: What is the best SMP?Resources Referenced in this EpisodeFollow Paige on Twitter & Mathstadon: @MrsSheehanMath Follow Damion on Twitter & Mathstadon: @DamionBethFollow Fawn on Twitter: @fawnpnguyen Listened to the episode? Now, it's your turn to share! Go to our Twitter: @DebateMathPod to share your thoughts. Don't forget to check out the video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel!Keep up with all the latest info by following @DebateMathPod or going to debatemath.com. Follow us @Rob_Baier & @cluzniak. And don't forget to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts!

Good research begins with a good framework. In the last episode of our Marketing/BD Plans series, Frank and Kate talk to Sarah Kinard of The Flamingo Project to get the facts about how to build those plans on good research. They talk about defining the use of the data before you start, reframing the questions to get out of the rabbit holes and back on track, and resources to get started.   Sarah Kinard, Head Bird at The Flamingo Project, is a strategic visionary who continues to build her career shaping strategy for professional service firms. Through research, fractional CMO and strategy, she is known as a change agent, tackling challenges with implementation at a scale her clients can handle. Sarah's curiosity, fail-forward/fail-fast approach, and desire to have fun in everything she does, are the hallmarks of how she "does it differently." Sarah served as President of SMPS Dallas, Now North Texas in 2021-2022 and currently serves as Secretary for the SMPS Foundation.   Resources: https://theflamingoproject.com/market-research-and-growth/  https://theflamingoproject.com/what-is-market-research-market-research-for-aec/  https://cart.smps.org/store/the-neuropsychology-of-influence-and-decision-making/852    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

In this episode, Donna Corlew, FSMPS, CPSM and I have a great discussion on Doer-Sellers – those remarkable individuals who are responsible for Doing and Selling. Throughout this conversation we explore the significance of the Doer-Seller role, and how their hands-on approach and relationship-building skills grant them credibility. We also discuss different scenarios where firms exclusively rely on Doer-Sellers or adopt a hybrid model based on size and strategy. Looking to engage Doer-Sellers more effectively? We've got you covered! Tune in as we reveal strategies for how marketers can respectfully approach Doer-Sellers. So, join us and let's dive into the dynamic world of Doer-Sellers! About Donna: Strategist. Facilitator. Connector. Coach. Donna works with A/E/C firms to focus strategic vision and market position, grow connections with clients and targets, and train doer-sellers and marketing and business development professionals to thrive and win profitable work. She has trained over 600 technical professionals as effective doer-sellers. A Certified Professional Services Marketer (CPSM) and Fellow of the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS), Donna is an active SMPS member, including serving as Society President and SMPS Foundation trustee. Donna received SMPS' highest honor, the Weld Coxe Marketing Achievement Award, in 2019, recognizing career achievements, leadership roles, and lasting contributions to the A/E/C industries. Links: Website: http://www.yourconnectedge.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donnacorlew/

As part of our planning series, today we are discussing the ins and outs of Business Development plans. Why do you need one, what do they look like, what do you need to know, and how do you know if you have written a successful plan?   Deirdre interviews Frank about how a BD plan ties into your strategic and marketing plans and most importantly, how they  work together to accomplish great business development.   Rainmaking - by Ford Harding    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Following up on the case study in Episode 254, we decided that maybe a little back-to-school education on Marketing Plans would be a good idea. This episode talks about what goes into a really good marketing plan, how to create one, get buy-in for it,  implement it, and keep it going through it's lifespan.   Frank interviews Deirdre and they talk about the lessons learned in doing a volume of marketing plans, in-house and as consultants. From marketing plans for expanding into existing markets and services to new market exploration, this podcast covers it all.   The Markendium books mentioned in the podcast are available at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4XTZSH8    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Marketing Plans are a great place where marketers set direction and prove their value. This podcast is a case study of a marketer writing their first marketing plan. We'll talk about the real-life process, the highs and lows, and the outcomes personally and professionally.   Katerina (Kat) Marovich joined Summit Engineering as an administrator and quickly became the firm's sole marketer. Kat has tackled it all from rebuilding the website, planning and hosting events, and developing the firm's Marketing and Business Development Plan. Find her on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katerina-marovich-2638a0142/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

How do you find balance and success as a department of one? Vicki Menard, Maggie Thornton, and Jodi Sommers share the challenges and advantages of being a solo marketer with guest host, Kate Robinette. Variety is the spice of life.   Vicki Menard is the marketing director for Todd Construction. She has been using her storytelling skills in the construction industry for the past eight years, since transitioning from a long career as a daily newspaper editor and reporter. She is the proud mother of adult identical twin daughters and a descendant of Oregon Trail pioneers. https://www.linkedin.com/in/vickimenard/  www.toddconstruction.com    Maggie Thornton, CPSM, oversees marketing and business development for Westlake Consultants. Her core responsibilities include day-to-day marketing and proposal development, firm communications, business development planning and recruitment efforts, as well as helping to develop company initiatives, practices, and policies. She joined Westlake Consultants in 2010 and was named an Associate Principal in 2020. https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggie-thornton-cpsm-232bb213/  www.westlakeconsultants.com    Jodi Sommers, CPSM, LEED Green Associate, is a textbook example of a serial solo marketer. She was the first marketer hired at four separate AEC companies, where she ran her department of one. She has represented architects, contractors, sustainable design firms and a wide variety of engineers, energy analysts and commissioning providers. She recently started her own consulting firm – Jodi Sommers Marketing – where she provides marketing strategy and consulting for AEC firms with a special emphasis on cause marketing, which is the art of supporting nonprofits and achieving marketing and employee engagement goals simultaneously. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodi-sommers-cpsm-leed-green-associate-768b984/    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

This episode goes deep. Frank and Deirdre dive into a question that super-hero author/podcaster/researcher Brene Brown poses: In general, are people really doing the best they can with the tools they have in the moment? So many angles to this, so many take-aways, and so much empathy. Come learn how to be a better human. Resources: The Collaborative Way by Floyd and Jason Fickett (available on Amazon) Brené Brown "Unlocking Us" podcast https://brenebrown.com/podcast-show/unlocking-us/    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

This episode talks about the grind and figuring out how to get the job done even when it it's the last thing you want to do. Deadlines are real, job performance matters, and sometimes people suck. You're stuck. We've been there, let's unstick it. Resources: Burnout by Emily and Ameilia Nagoski (available on Amazon) The Middle by Jimmy Eat World (song) Rage Against the Machine (rock band) Breathwork: www.webmd.com or www.everydayhealth.com    Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Recorded earlier this year during the week ahead of Mother's Day, Frank and Faith talk to two of the Super Moms in our network. In Part 2 of our Super Moms series, they talk to Bethany Rustic Smith of Energy Systems Group (ESG). Bethany offers great advice on managing a career at full-throttle and making time for three kids. The conversation is rich with relationship advice, parenting ups and downs, and real-life wisdom.   Bethany Smith, FSMPS, CPSM, is a 25-year construction industry veteran, having built her Marketing and Corporate Communication career with construction giants Messer Construction Co. and Turner Construction Co. Now embarking on a new challenge, Bethany has taken the role of Strategic Marketing Leader at ESG where she leads the company's marketing and communication efforts throughout the country.   Bethany is a graduate of the Cincinnati Chamber's "We Lead" program and was named one of Cincinnati's Forty Under 40 by the Cincinnati Business Courier. In April of 2005 during her term as President of the SMPS Greater Cincinnati Chapter, she received the Certified Professional Services Marketer designation from the Society of Marketing Professional Services, and in 2014 was named a Fellow - one of her most prized accomplishments. Bethany Rustic Smith: www.linkedin.com/in/bethanyrusticsmith/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Recorded earlier this year, the week ahead of Mother's Day, Frank and Faith talk to two of the Super Moms in our network. The first conversation is with Jennifer Hebblethwaite who demonstrated all the stages of mom-ness for her two daughters. She talks candidly and honestly about some of the struggles with going back to work and the seasons of life we all experience. Part 1 of our Super Moms series.   As a principal and Director of Storytelling at Page, Jennifer's goal is to expand the firm's impact by capturing, developing, and sharing narratives that inspire and excite employees and clients, reinforcing brand messaging across every platform. She is a rogue academic at heart. She has spent 10 years in academia teaching everything from playwriting and storytelling to MBA Leadership/Communication on an undergraduate and graduate level. As a self-proclaimed “arbiter of good,” she hopes to create harmony between internal messaging, marketing, communications, business development, and the work Page's teams create.   Jennifer Hebblethwaite: www.linkedin.com/in/jen-hebblethwaite-1679aab/  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

How to use the bluntness from Episode 247 to have difficult conversations - whether with your boss, your coworkers, your staff, or your client. Recommeded resources: The Power of Vulnerability - https://brenebrown.com/book/the-power-of-vulnerability/  The Collaborative Way - https://collaborativeway.com/  Brené Brown TedTalk - https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_the_power_of_vulnerability/c Brené Brown Call to Courage on Netflix   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Today MinerThougths and The1Troj are joined by a very special guest: MagpieCraft!!They all talk about what they are up to and the status of Survival Multiplayer Servers.Follow our guest MagpieCraft on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/MagpieCraftFollow MinerThoughts on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdM70Cdmxxcmed6cUxEwUCAFollow The1Troj on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiWXcLqYHlTb2aJh7_qyuUA or with his family at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLNBe2vt8zZShdfLRUPmbegJoin us on Discord! https://discord.gg/zhSjuXGNswIntro Music: Science & Medicine by AfterInfinity Music https://www.toneden.io/afterinfinity-music/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this episode, Frank and Deirdre talk about communicating directly. They dive into how to manage reactions to it, how to deal with the consequences, how to use bluntness for good versus evil, and the gift of honesty. Recommended reading: Radical Candor, by Kim Scott - available on Amazon Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com

Frank and Deirdre talk with Marci Thompson, SMPS' Chief Strategy Officer, about what happens behind the scenes to deliver great events like SMPS Amplify AEC and the Pinnacle Experience. As usual, the conversation goes deep and Marci gets real about how things happen, about change, and about keeping your head above water when you're in rough seas. It's an entertaining and thoughtful (as well as thought-provoking) conversation.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/marci-thompson/   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com  

Ryan Konst has spent the last 20+ years in the AEC industry, all with Schaefer. He started out as an engineering co-op and went full-time as an engineer upon graduating from the University of Cincinnati. He moved through the engineering ranks and into a leadership position focusing primarily on strategy, planning, and revenue generation. In his current role as executive vice president for Schaefer, he is responsible for guiding the firm's strategic growth and vision for the future. He started as a structural engineer and quickly realized that to grow the company and his career, he needed to learn and do more on the business of bringing in business. Thus began his journey into business development, nurturing client relationships, and creating a valuable network. Frank, Kate, and Ryan talk about Ryan's journey and his success through relationship building.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryankonst/   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com  

Power electronics must improve efficiency to meet international standards and reduce power waste, making in this way products more sustainable. From mobile phone chargers to industrial SMPS, all AC-powered applications need power supplies. Cambridge startup Pulsiv emerged with their power electronics technology. In this podcast episode featuring Darrel Kingham, Chief Executive Officer of Pulsiv, we will analyze how Pulsiv is reaching this market goal with a patent solution.

Part 2 on our discussion about recruiting best practices, we shift the focus from job postings to using the company brand in the recruiting effort and what that means. Rachel Kennedy combines her background in recruiting and a love of marketing together to help growing businesses attract the right talent. Deirdre, Kathryn, and Rachel talk about the four Ps of recruiting success, the commonalities between marketing and recruiting, generational differences of candidates, and building a beautiful candidate experience.   https://southernlighthouse.com/   LinkedIn for Marketers free download. https://fabulous-producer-1804.ck.page/c19763d6bc   Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com  

In this final episode of the Career Path series, Frank interviews Kristi Bigelow, Marketing Manager at TankGirl, about her career development experience in A/E/C. Self-proclaimed engineering nerds, Frank and Kristi discuss the more interesting aspects of civil works projects and how to develop relationships and work more effectively with technical experts. Kristi Bigelow, PMP, can be found on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristi-bigelow-pmp-4080a39  Music by RomanSenykMusic on Pixabay. www.pixabay.com 

Is your firm struggling to find new candidates or do you have clients that "just don't get it"? Well, my AEC friends, it may be time for a good 'ol rebrand! In this episode, Perryn and I dig into what a healthy brand does and how to know if you're ready for a rebrand or even a brand refresh! About Perryn: Perryn Olson, CPSM, CCMP leads the marketing team at REX Construction, REX Engineering, and REX Technology, which includes SuperDroid Robots. Previously, Perryn was My IT's Chief Strategy Officer, leading the marketing strategy and sales team while providing client relations. Before My IT, Perryn led the construction marketing firm, The Brand Constructors, and became a nationally recognized thought leader. Perryn then worked with Hinge Marketing, a national professional services marketing firm that specialized in high-growth professional services firms. He is a certified marketer with SMPS and the Construction Marketing Association, past president of SMPS Southeast Louisiana, and past co-chair of SMPS Southern Regional Conference. He has spoken and written extensively within the build and tech industries, and in 2014, he wrote the Construction Executive's Guide to Brand Marketing and is quoted in numerous marketing publications. Website: rex.one LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perryn/

In this episode, Insup and John interview Dean Darrell Nabers about post-baccalaureate and special masters programs (SMPs) as a means to gaining admission into medical school. They cover a wide range of topics which include what is a post-bacc and SMP, who should and should not do a post-bacc or SMP, and how medical school admissions offices view post-bacc and SMP students. Dean Darrell Nabers is the dean of admissions and recruitment at the Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine and serves as the primary recruitment and committee administrator for all members of the committee on admissions. He oversees and manages the office of admissions and recruitment efforts. He also aids the office of student life. Episode produced by: Insup Hong and John Engelbert Episode recording date: 01/18/2023 www.medicuspodcast.com | medicuspodcast@gmail.com | Donate: http://bit.ly/MedicusDonate --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/medicus/message