Podcasts about working genius

Misalignment sneaks up slowly—and it's expensive. When your life, work, or team drifts out of alignment, you start feeling it: fatigue, frustration, disconnection, and eventually burnout. In this episode, Alan unpacks how to spot misalignment early and realign your wiring, your purpose, and your team before things break down. You'll hear: The story of a coaching client who ignored the “alignment rumble” too long Why wiring, purpose, and team are the three biggest alignment zones How to use the Working Genius Assessment to clarify your design The Drains & Fills exercise to reclaim energy and focus A simple Pacing Check to make sure your speed matches your team's capacity Two reflection questions to realign your work this week “You will hit potholes. You will need realignment. It's not if—it's when.” Reflection Questions How can you align your work more closely to your wiring? What change can you make to align more closely with your team? Tools Mentioned www.h2leadership.com for more tools and resources. Chapters 00:00 – What is an H2 Leader? Health and high impact in harmony 02:15 – The need for new brakes and better alignment 03:30 – What misalignment looks and feels like 05:00 – The story of “Tim”: when wiring, purpose, and team fall out of sync 07:00 – The cost of misalignment in leadership and culture 09:20 – The great disengagement: how misalignment kills engagement 10:00 – Tools for realignment: Working Genius, Drains & Fills, Pacing Check 11:45 – Reflection questions and next steps Subscribe and follow the H2 Leadership Podcast for more episodes. Share this episode with another leader who might be feeling “out of alignment.”

How does your work or home environment shape the way you see your Working Genius?Episode 97 of the Working Genius Podcast explores how environment and culture can dramatically influence how people view their own talents. Patrick Lencioni, Cody Thompson, and Matt Lencioni share personal stories and client examples where individuals misunderstood their results because of the strong pull of their surroundings. They also discuss how, when you take the Working Genius assessment, it's essential to put aside what you think you should be doing and instead focus on what brings you joy and energy.Topics explored in this episode: (0:30) Environment and Perception* How our environment can distort our Working Genius assessment results.* Cody describes how people often answer based on workplace expectations instead of core joy.(5:42) Stories of Misalignment* Examples of people whose results were skewed by strong cultural or organizational environments.* A Marine veteran and a priest are highlighted as cases where structure shaped inaccurate results.(15:30) Wonder as the Overlooked Genius* How Matt misidentified his geniuses because of college leadership roles.* Why “wonder” can be undervalued in structured settings.(20:43) Liberation Through Clarity* The relief and freedom that come from discovering true geniuses.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via

Leaders Who Create Resources: Join Jason Squires in a conversation with David Cummings, church leader in Northwest Indiana and Director of the ReFuel Conference. Together, they unpack practical strategies for planning events that truly serve your community. Discover how to identify your purpose, clarify your audience, and build events that function as powerful resources. Learn why collaboration matters—because we are better together, and stronger when we don't lead alone. Explore more about the ReFuel Conference at https://refuelconference.com.

How can understanding your strengths and weaknesses through the Working Genius model lead to true confidence?Confidence isn't about pretending to be great at everything—it's about knowing and accepting the truth about yourself. In episode 96 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick and Cody explain how the Working Genius framework provides a foundation for authentic confidence rooted in both strengths and weaknesses. They share practical insights on how humility, honesty, and self-awareness create confidence that impacts work, relationships, and life.Topics explored in this episode: 0:30 – Defining Confidence * Confidence is not arrogance, but alignment with truth about yourself.* Humility and confidence complement each other by grounding people in reality.3:40 – The Power of Admitting Weaknesses* Acknowledging what you're not good at frees you to celebrate your real strengths.6:20 – Building Confidence Through Working Genius* The Working Genius framework provides language for identifying gifts and frustrations.10:55 – Humility, Gifting, and Evidence* Confidence is strengthened when you recognize gifts as given, not earned.15:30 – Confidence for the Next Generation* Helping young people discover their genius accelerates confidence and direction.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via

Do you ever feel like you're running your design business on autopilot—too busy with client deadlines to pause and ask yourself if this is really the life and business you want? Many interior designers fall into the trap of working nonstop but never taking the time to reflect, reset, and plan ahead. The result? Burnout, scattered focus, missed opportunities for real business breakthroughs, and a business that feels more like a burden than a passion.In this episode, I sit down with leadership coach Sierra Collins and designer and entrepreneur Cathy Tonks to share what's in store for the upcoming Sacramento Design Business Collective Thrive Retreat for Interior Designers (SDBC Thrive Retreat). We talk about how Thrive Retreat can help you step away from the grind, increase productivity, step into 2026 with clarity and confidence, and create a balanced life where your business supports your dreams instead of competing with them.If you've been craving clarity, accountability, and a community of designers who truly understand your challenges, this episode will show you why the Thrive Retreat could be the one thing you need.What You'll Learn in This Episode✔️ Why stepping away from your business is essential for growth and productivity✔️ The power of DISC and Working Genius assessments in communication and teamwork✔️ The power of designing a business model that aligns with your life goals✔️ How procedures, automation, and team building simplify business complexity✔️ Mindset shifts every designer needs to scale from scarcity thinking to CEO thinking✔️ The importance of accountability and building supportive design community connections✔️ How to craft your ideal day and create a 2026 roadmap with intentionRead the Blog >>> >>> Sneak Peek Inside the 2-Day Sacramento Thrive RetreatNEXT STEPS:

In business and in sales, the future is changing faster than most can keep up. AI isn't just a buzzword anymore. It's transforming how deals are made and how teams operate. In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth expert Jason Hull sits down with Steve Trang of ObjectionProof.ai to explore how AI sales reps can book appointments, review calls, and follow up with leads instantly, what this means for property management entrepreneurs, and why learning to leverage AI now is critical to staying competitive. You'll Learn [01:24] The AI Revolution [11:11] AI Sales Reps [17:39] The Future of AI in Sales [27:31] The Importance of Asking Good Questions [34:49] Setting Impossible Goals to Grow Faster Quotables “I'm not here to say your job is at stake, but you should operate as if it is—because if you're not, you're going to get replaced.” “The version of AI today is the worst version you'll ever deal with—because it's only getting better.” “AI can instantly—99.9% uptime—call the prospect, ask questions, and book an appointment for you or your salesperson to actually run the sales process.” Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (00:00) We are building out an AI agent that can actually run sales.   call the prospect, ask questions, book an appointment.   for you,   so it actually sounds like you're having a conversation with another human being.   Jason Hull (00:14) All right, I am Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we have spoken to thousands of property management business owners, coached, consulted, and cleaned up hundreds of businesses, helping them add doors, improve pricing.   increase profit and simplify operations and build and replace teams. We are like bar rescue for property managers. In fact, we have cleaned up and rebranded over 300 businesses and we run the leading property management mastermind with more video testimonials and reviews than any other coach or consultant in the industry. At DoorGrow, we believe that good property managers can change the world and that property management is the ultimate high trust gateway.   to real estate deals, relationships, and residual income. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now, let's get into the show. All right, my guest today is Steve Trang of objectionproof.ai, and we're gonna be talking about, I guess, the future.   Does that sound about right?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (01:36) Yeah, I would say that's very, very relevant, even more acutely today than normal. Yes.   Jason Hull (01:42) So we are in the middle of this insane AI revolution. know, AI is taking over quickly. Everybody's talking about all the jobs that are going to go away. Everybody's playing with chat GPT. It's becoming like their second brain. We're all maybe getting a little dumber because of it. Who knows? But we're also getting more more capabilities.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (01:59) Yeah.   Jason Hull (02:03) It's all speeding up so quickly even before we started. I'm like, I just tried this tool and you're like, have you heard of this tool? And like, there's just so many tools out there. before we get into all that, Steve, tell us a little bit, give us a little background on you as an entrepreneur and how you kind of got into entrepreneurism and what led to objection proof.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (02:26) Yeah, so it's going to be a long, secretive road because I got into real estate in 2005. So, you know, I did the good, you know, the, the get good grades so can get a good job deal. Right. I all that. was an engineer. I worked at Intel. and I realized fairly quickly, I wasn't manageable. And so, I had to, I had to find something else where I could work for myself. I read rich dad, poor dad from that. It's like, I got to do real estate, but.   I didn't take the advice quite right because I became a realtor in 07, not a good time. So that was a major, major humbling experience. I did some short sales, which are relevant again today. I a list of properties for banks, eventually started my own brokerage. You know, when the bank, when the foreclosure started dying down, became, my own brokerage. Did pretty well. had almost 1 % or we had 1 % market share for a very, short period of time. In the Phoenix market, one of every 100 transactions went through our brokerage.   then, I started buying houses, cash started wholesaling, did some flipping, started a podcast disruptors, which is where most people know me from. And then along the way I started a sales training program, started a title company, did some mortgage joint ventures. and then where we are today is AI. I probably sound very ADHD. I promise you, I don't have it.   I'm just always chasing the next object, which is very much a symptom of ADHD. But I can sit down and focus for long periods of time. It's just that I'm an entrepreneur, I started out as entrepreneur, and it wasn't until the last two, three years that I've actually learned how to actually sit down and focus. So that's how we got here.   Jason Hull (03:58) Okay, yeah.   All right, cool. So now that you know how to focus, what are you focused on?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (04:05) Our focus is at this point more than half of my work schedule, which is more than 50 hours a week, right? It's probably like 60 or 70, is on AI. And the reason why is because things are changing so fast and the things we're trying to do are so innovative. And everyone says that, right? But like We are building out an AI agent that can actually run sales.   And so that is something that a lot of people have promised is something we're actually doing. Now, it's not going to buy a house. Is that going to convince a landlord to allow you to do property management? You're still going to have to do the heavy lifting. But what it can do is initiate the conversation, right? So if someone fills out a form, AI can instantly, 99.9 % uptime, right, because it's all technology now, call the prospect, ask questions, book an appointment.   for you, the business owner or salesperson, to actually run your sales process. So we can actually book appointments. It sounds real. You can't tell it's AI. Well, if you're really, really deep in the AI world, you could probably tell it's AI. But most people can't tell it's AI. And so it actually sounds like you're having a conversation with another human being. And it took a lot of effort to make that happen.   Jason Hull (05:22) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (05:23) So that's where a core, a very, very heavy percentage of our detention is today.   Jason Hull (05:28) Got it. Yeah. I've started playing around with it. I haven't pulled the trigger to actually have AI agents calling or cold calling my prospects. I'm a little nervous about doing that.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (05:36) Mm-hmm.   It's a there's there's elements of leap of faith, right? But you can also test it. You know, we have a if you want to, you know, give it out, we have like a way to opt in for AI to call you so you can hear for yourself what it sounds like. It's not perfect, right? Like the we launched it on August 1st to all our existing clients. So, you know, not that long ago. ⁓ And we're learning about bugs that we weren't aware existed as we're testing it.   Jason Hull (05:59) Yeah.   Yeah.   Right. Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (06:06) because that's how new this is, right? So we're still iterating   and getting better all the time.   Jason Hull (06:10) Yeah, got it. OK, cool. Well, that's that's the future. I mean, the amazing thing is. I just signed up for an AI tool like this last weekend and they had this chat bot on the home page that you click talk and it's like a voice, it talks to you and it can hear you talk and it was in the voice of one of the principals of the company. And it was like really good. I don't know if they use 11 labs to do the voice or whatever.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (06:29) Yeah.   Right.   Mm-hmm. It's probably   11 labs, so that would be my guess.   Jason Hull (06:40) But   yeah, it was like his voice and I could ask it anything. I was asking like, it do AI, like can it do API integrations with HubSpot and how would it connect to this? And it was like giving me, yeah, you could do this and this is how it would work and this way. And I was like, there was no question I could ask it, it didn't know. And it knew everything about the tool. I could ask all sorts of questions about its capabilities and it's like, nope, we don't have that functionality but you could do it this way. And I was like, I was like.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (06:53) All right.   Jason Hull (07:07) I felt like it knew more than any salesperson at their company I could have talked to.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (07:12) Oh, 100%. Yeah.   Jason Hull (07:14) And so I was really blown away. was like, I I spend hours asking questions because they had, it was like, you have to pay for the year for this tool, right? So I was like, I'm not going to pay for the year for a tool. If I don't know, like I can't trial it or anything. So I was like, I'm asking every question and because it could answer every question I could throw at it with ease. I got all my answers asked and nobody there had to spend any human labor time to talk to me. And I signed up.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (07:22) Yeah. ⁓   Jason Hull (07:42) It was pretty wild. And I'm like, wait a second, could I do this? Can my clients do this? Yeah. But yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (07:48) ⁓ You can answer   all the questions. That's not a sales thing, right? Because we have a philosophy that sales is an emotional process, not logical process. So it can answer all the questions. It can remove a lot of the obstacles. But someone still needs to either sell a story or a dream. Or our philosophy is can we ask Jason enough questions.   Jason Hull (07:55) Yes.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (08:09) where Jason can formulate his own dream and decide to purchase himself. Because the thing we talk about is we don't sell. We get prospects to sell themselves. And so the one thing that AI cannot do just yet is to get you to sell yourself so that you're willing to sign a contract or pull out a credit card. The thing about entrepreneurs, business owners, and salespeople, the reason why we're such great buyers is because we tell ourselves great stories.   Jason Hull (08:18) Yes, totally true.   Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (08:34) The   general public is not as good at telling ourselves as great as stories. And so they don't need someone to facilitate that conversation to get them to pull the trigger.   Jason Hull (08:42) you   Yeah, I've really followed Jeremy Miner's kind of new model of selling sort of formula is NEPQ stuff. And because I noticed sales was getting harder and harder, like people didn't trust. And we're like in this post trust era, nobody trusts anything anymore. so, you know, everything's fake. Like is everybody's perception, especially since the pandemic, everybody got a little bit burned, you know, in the last several years. We're like, everybody's trying to trick us like   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (08:48) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes.   Exactly.   Mm-hmm.   Everyone has an agenda. Yeah.   Jason Hull (09:10) And nobody has our best interests at heart. Everybody has   an agenda. And I'm actually working on a book right now called the Golden Bridge Formula, which is my philosophy in selling, which is basically if you can showcase how, if I am purely selfish and I'm achieving what I want out of life, I can show how it benefits you, my prospect. And so everybody can trust our motives. If the default assumption in sales is that your motive is to get their money.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (09:19) All right.   are mutually aligned.   Jason Hull (09:34) which is a really crappy sort of motive, right? But I have something I want more than money, right? Which relates to my purpose in life. And so we teach our clients how to build that golden bridge and how to do that. So I think it'll be really interesting to see when people start to build. I think that's the thing is it would take some real intelligence from, you know, a human that understands empathy and understands this.   question-based selling in order to build out AI bots that can do it. Well, I don't know, but we'll see.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (10:04) I would estimate we're probably about 12 months out because we can do it pretty well right now, but we can't do it well with latency and enough information. So like when we're scheduling appointments, like the reason is not to schedule an appointment. There's only a handful of objections, right? But when we're doing real estate,   Jason Hull (10:14) Yeah.   Mm-hmm.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (10:24) there's a lot more questions that need to be answered. And also there's all sorts of different creative ways we can solve the problem, right? Like, you know, the traditional buying land creatively is like, all right, Jason, look, you can pick price, you can pick timeframe, you can pick payments, but you can't pick all three, right? We're not quite there yet, because the dimensions of how you can negotiate a real estate transaction.   Jason Hull (10:40) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (10:47) It's substantial, right? It could be like, what's most important to them? Is it the depreciation? Is it the tax consequences? Is it the appreciation? Is it the cashflow? Is it I need to hide my taxes, right? Like what is your agenda? And so like AI doesn't have all the information today.   Jason Hull (11:02) Hmm.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (11:04) But I imagine 12 months from now, we can have enough data, can have AI figure all that out.   Jason Hull (11:10) Yeah, I would think so. okay. Well, tell us about objection proof. Like what is it?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (11:17) Okay. So, before we get into that, I've been a sales trainer for more than six years now. So we've been coaching the top, house buyers across the country. You know, I'm in Collector Genius, I'm in boardroom and family mastermind. And so like, I work with the biggest and best operators across the country. And as I was looking at it, we've trained hundreds of sales teams and we've trained thousands of salespeople. And so when we talk about our AI tool, it's really just leveling up what already existed.   Jason Hull (11:29) Mm-hmm.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (11:45) And so earlier this year, we had three different individuals. We Stephanie Biders, the left main, Brad Chandler with Express Home Buyers, and then Casey Ryan, another really successful wholesaler in Vegas. All three of them, in a course of days, pulled me aside and said, hey, Steve, can you create an AI tool that does this? Hey, Steve, can you create an AI tool that does that? And the things they were asking for was an AI tool that can do automatic call reviews.   Right, because there's nothing more frustrating as a business owner than to sit down and listen to call reviews, right? I'd rather cold call than listen to a call review. And so, ⁓ so can you automate the call reviews? Especially if it's bad calls, yes. Right, and so can we automate call reviews? all right, so I set out to figure out how to do that. The other problem was like, how do I know my new salesperson is now ready to take leads I'm paying for?   Jason Hull (12:20) Right.   Right, especially if it's mad calls.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (12:43) You hire a salesperson, you onboard and you train them. When are they actually ready for leads that you're spending three, $400 for? Okay, so let's create a roleplay bot that can measure the quality. And then the last thing is how can we have our salespeople train every day on your ideal sales process? So again, the same idea with a roleplay bot is that you can call it every single day and train on it. So we created that.   Jason Hull (12:44) Right.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (13:12) earlier this year and that's been growing like gangbusters. Right. And then the thing again, we just launched this past week or week and a half now is an AI lead manager, which takes it from like someone that fills out an inquiry on the web form to calling them within seconds, right? To talk to them, to schedule an appointment. And the great thing about AI is that it has zero call reluctance. And I can tell you in my own personal experience as the one that created this tool.   Jason Hull (13:30) Yeah.   Yes.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (13:40) When I built it out, I forgot to iterate, like this is super nerdy stuff, right? But like, hey, call three times and stop, right? But I didn't get the counter right, so it always started zero every time I went through the loop. It called me 15 times in a row before I figured out how to shut it off, right? So it's got zero call reluctance. Oh yeah, if you said it, it'll call you 100 times a row, 1,000 times a row, no fear.   Jason Hull (14:01) It's very persistent, yeah.   Well, you know,   that's super interesting because I saw a video recently from Alex Hermosy and I've worked with him. I've been in masterminds with him and he said that he, one of his partner companies that he invests in, they had a 400 % increase in their close rate just by hiring one person to call every new lead within 60 seconds of the lead coming in. 400 % increase in deals close. And I'm like,   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (14:26) Mm-hm. Yeah. Right.   Jason Hull (14:31) That speed to lead is a significant thing. So I've been thinking about the same exact thing. I'm like, can connect Sinflow to HubSpot or can I do something to get some sort of phone agent to like call a new lead instantly? Because it's really difficult to get my team to do that. They might be in the middle of something. They might be making calls right then, you know? And so, yeah, 60 seconds.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (14:46) They're humans.   They can be at a sales appointment,   they can be in the bathroom, they can be in the car driving back from an appointment. Yeah, exactly.   Jason Hull (14:55) It can be late at night, like when the lead comes in, you know, and I don't know,   maybe somebody's filling out a lead form at one in the morning. I don't know if they'd answer the phone, but like call them and text them an email and maybe something happens. don't know.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (15:08) Exactly. Yeah, so that's the problem we seek to solve and I would say we did a pretty good job of it.   Jason Hull (15:14) Nice. Okay. Very cool. So yeah, super cool. So mean, this is the future and you know, I'm sure now because AI allows us to innovate with AI even faster, like it's, it's snowballing. Like it's just speeding up rapidly. It's like, now you can go to your AI and say, Hey, I want to figure out how to do this, solve this problem. And it's like, here's a bunch of ideas, which like   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (15:25) Mm-hmm. Yes.   Mm-hmm.   Right.   Jason Hull (15:38) Evaluate these ideas which ones are the best ideas and it's like this one will give you the the biggest return, right? Yeah, so it's pretty wild. So I think I did in working on my book over the weekend in a day. I probably did what would have taken 90 days of research in it like It just months of research like   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (15:57) Mm-hmm. Yeah.   Yeah,   the time compression is just absolutely outrageous. The amount of time AI can save you is just off the charts. I built out the tool. Now there's Ian Ross from an organization. He's the AI Whisperer. He's been training the AI boss for two years now. But I built everything around it. And if I were to try to do everything I did without AI, three years maybe to get it done, right?   to learn React and SuperBase and all this other stuff, right? To learn how to compress audio files and automatically. And it took me months to get a product. We have, we're looking at, have 130 clients now using our tool. And it's something that started less than six months ago. So yeah, AI is showing you how to use AI.   Jason Hull (16:43) Wow. Yeah.   Yeah, I mean, it's scratching a super strong   niche. Like if you go on Google Trends and put in AI and it like, just watch, it's like nothing and then it's just going crazy and it's surpassing everything right now. So let me share a quick word from our sponsor real quick for this episode. So our sponsor is Cover Pest. Cover Pest is the easy and seamless way to add on demand pest control for your resident benefit package.   Residents love the simplicity of submitting a service request and how affordable it is compared to traditional pest control options. Investors love knowing that their property is kept pest free and property managers love getting their time back and making more revenue per door. Simply put, Cover Pest is the easiest way to handle pest control issues at all of your properties. To learn more and to get special DoorGrow pricing, go to the website coverpest.com slash door grow.   All right, so Steve, let's get back into talking about AI. you know, you're focused on the sales side of things. What do you see as the future of what's gonna be happening with sales and what are your team working on developing next?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (17:57) I mean, the things we're working on next is just getting to the actual sales conversation where, you know, for someone that needs to their house for cash, right, which is our core audience, is how do we get it from beginning of a web form all the way into an actual transaction to actually get assigned a contract? That is going to be the next step. I think we can incorporate transaction management into it.   Right? The goal here is to get to a point where you basically have a handful of salespeople. One person that can handle the acquisitions, the buying of the houses. One person can handle the dispositions. And one person still to really talk to homeowners as scheduled appointments because the reality is AI doesn't replace everybody. AI just makes everybody better. As matter of fact, in half an hour from now, we're actually doing a training internally where our guy Ian, our AI whisperer,   is going to be teaching everyone in our organization prompt engineering. And the reason why that is, is that everyone needs to be using AI. Because if you're not, the amount of productivity everyone in organization, since we started using AI, is at least three times better, at least, if not more. And so every person that's not using AI is expensive now, because their amount of productivity is less than a third of what the other guy who is using AI.   Jason Hull (18:59) Right.   Right. So you could easily 3x the output if you just understand how you can leverage AI in some clever use cases.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (19:18) Exactly. Right. So if you look at that and then the reality is if I can get it down to just the best salespeople in my organization and AI everything else, everyone else that's not using it, their marketing costs, their overhead and everything else is just going to be more than mine to do the same amount of work, which in a very short period of time isn't that big a deal. But if I can reduce my overhead by 10 % compared to you and we're running the same business model.   Next month I have 10 % more to spend on marketing. And the month after that. And month after that. And my sales is only gonna grow. So we're gonna see a time where those that aren't on board are gonna find themselves unable to compete just because of margins alone. We had a, there's a colleague of mine, someone I look up to, I respect a lot. And we had a conversation where she let four people, she let go of four people earlier this year.   Jason Hull (19:50) Right. Yeah. And it compounds.   Right.   to compete, totally.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (20:13) Each person, six figure salary. So, she had to let go four people. And the reason why was that AI can do their job, right?   Jason Hull (20:24) Yeah, I six figure salary is saving like what half a million? Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (20:27) almost half a mil, right? And she's   like, and it sucks because she cares about these people. They've been with her as she built out the company, right? But right now her competition is some kid who lives at home with no expenses. She can't compete with that kid if she has all this expense on her payroll. It sucks. So everyone in our company is going to have to learn how to use AI to do their job more effectively, more efficiently. And so that's, so I would say on top of   Jason Hull (20:31) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (20:54) the sales part is that everyone, everyone is getting looked at. There's a person in organization, I'm like, how are you getting so much done? Because she has stepped up and picked up three other people's in the last year. She picked up three other people's jobs. And then I talked to her last week, like, what are you doing? And she just showed me her chat GPT that's always open. That's it. She's just picking up other people's jobs because she's able to do it all day.   Excelled at using it and I think that's just that's just the future and this is not nothing new that people haven't heard before Really? What I would say is there should be a wake-up call if you're not listening as a matter of fact I had a really uncomfortable conversation last week Because I train acquisition managers, which is sales disposition managers, which is moving the properties Lead managers we were booking the appointments and then sales managers right how to manage sells people get the most out of them the lead manager call I was like, hey look   how many of you guys are paying attention to what I'm saying on social media? And like maybe 10%, 12 % raise their hands. I was like, okay, if you're not paying attention on what on social media, then this needs to be your wake up call. I have created an AA tool that is directly threatening your job. I am training you and I'm also creating a tool that might compete against you, that will probably compete against you. And so the reality is,   Jason Hull (22:08) or real life.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (22:13) A, it's awesome you're on this call, because you're training becoming one of the better ones across the country. And you have to have this mindset that I'm going to be irreplaceable. So you have to be the best, because this is what you're competing against. So I'm not here to say your job is at stake, but you should operate as if it is, because if you're not, you're going to get replaced. That was an uncomfortable conversation.   Jason Hull (22:30) Yeah, it was at least a year ago when AI was   starting to just sort of peak, you know, come up on everybody's radar. I gave my team, heard of, saw Alex Hormozi like give his team the task of like trying to replace themselves with AI. And so I said that to my team and several were so offended. They're like, you trying to replace us? I'm like, but that's reality. So I was like, try it. And I got some like.   of weak responses because they weren't really focused on it. But now I think everybody can see like this is coming and nobody thought that the most expensive jobs would be the first thing to be going. Lawyers, like doctors, like a lot of this a lot of the data, the research, the stuff that takes a lot of knowledge. It's hard to beat something that can pull in everything, you know, and and then really all these specialists that are so specialized in things, they're   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (23:05) No, no one saw that coming.   Jason Hull (23:23) you know, AI is probably going to eat their lunch and then, you know, and then like really high level copywriting jobs, high level graphic design work, like all of this also. And so it really is becoming a future in which those that are the most creative in thought and how to leverage AI, the creators, and they're going to be AI creators that can leverage AI and know what tools.   are available and they're staying up on that. Those are going to be the ones that are the most valuable team members because they have access to infinite knowledge. Knowledge is no longer a super valuable resource. It's, and you can just get it. We've got the internet, there's tons of it out there, but the people that can figure out how do I isolate what knowledge is needed right now? How do I leverage AI to like figure it out? How do I, you know, then feed it into some sort of agentic system or create some sort of agent or some sort of chat or prompt or rule to like,   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (24:00) Mm-hmm.   Jason Hull (24:19) you know, get the output that I need. These are the people that are going to, you know, be leading the way. And so it's really interesting.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (24:27) Yeah, the creators.   I've been looking at it. we've been using Working Genius internally as well as for hiring. So if you guys that are listening aren't familiar with it, it's created by Patrick Lancioni who wrote like, what is it? ⁓ Amazing books. was, shoot. Anyway, Patrick Lancioni is an amazing, amazing author, wrote some amazing books.   Jason Hull (24:41) He's written a bunch of good books.   That's that from right here.   I've got, where are they? Let's see.   Oh, he wrote The Motive, Getting Naked, The Ideal Team Player, Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Death by Meeting. Yeah, he's got some great books.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (24:50) The advantage is one of them, but there's like...   by this function as a team, yeah.   Yeah, FIDAS   function seems huge, huge one, right? So he wrote working genius. And working genius breaks down to six letters, right? Widget, which is coincidental, I suppose. So what it stands for is wondering, inventor, galvanizer, discerning, enabler, and tenacity. And so most people are two of them as an energy.   It gives you energy, two of them are like it drains you, right? So like I don't like doing work. So T and E is just that for me, right? But I do like to invent and I like to discern. And then Ian likes to invent and likes to galvanize. But the key here is we're both inventors according to Working Genius. And I think right now in this world with AI, it's going to be the people that have the W, the wondering, the inventiveness. I think those are the two they're going to do the most.   Jason Hull (25:30) you   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (25:49) the most well in this new world because we can automate a lot of other things. We can automate the mundane tasks. That's what the agents are for. So it'll be interesting. AI can discern to some degree. It can't galvanize. So we still need someone to lead the charge and get everyone to storm the.   Jason Hull (26:00) Mm.   Thank   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (26:13) stormed enemy territory. But yeah, I think to your point, the creators, I look at it as everyone that's got the wondering and inventiveness is gonna do really well on this new AI world.   Jason Hull (26:25) Okay, yeah. Those things sound fun to me. That sounds like way more fun to be spending my time on doing those kind of things than most anything else you do in business. And I love that you said, you know, figuring out which things are kind of your, give you energy or take away your energy. So one of the things we have our clients do is we give them a time study that we've created that.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (26:32) Yeah.   Mm-hmm.   Jason Hull (26:49) They do a time study for like two weeks and they track which things are plus signs or which things are minus signs. Just to figure out, because the easiest way I can get them towards more output or towards more joy or more fulfillment in their business or more freedom or offloading the right stuff is just to figure out which things are their minus signs and which things are tactical so we can get those off their plates so they're focused more on the strategic things and the plus signs, which usually are connected. So for entrepreneurs, yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (26:54) Huge.   Mm-hmm.   Jason Hull (27:17) And so, yeah, I think that's going to be the powerful thing is that if people can become conscious of the things that are draining them, then you can just ask the question. You can go ask AI the question, how do I get rid of this? How do get this off my plate? Give me some really good ideas. Yeah. And so we've got this magical thing that it's like we've got the magic genie of answers that can just give us any answer to anything at any time. But you have to ask good questions.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (27:30) All right. It really is that simple these days.   You have to ask good questions, and then the thing that you have to make sure, and I don't know how to do this, is to make sure you don't give up your critical thinking abilities. I think that that muscle is going to atrophy pretty fast in this new world. The ability to actually ask good questions and then filter, is that actually a good answer? Does that make sense? Or are we just accepting the answers? Because you can see, if you just accept things, if you just accept data without questioning it,   Jason Hull (27:56) Mm.   Yeah, it'd be pretty destructive.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (28:08) you're going to atrophy pretty fast, I think, of your critical thinking skills.   Jason Hull (28:11) Yeah. And that's where you hear the horror stories of AI, like people killing themselves because AI told them to, know, stuff like this, where they're just like, they think AI is like, becomes some sort of superpower when it's really just reflecting them. Yeah. It's just reflecting them and their, you know, psychoses, I guess. So I think, yeah, you know, I've noticed that, yeah, sometimes chat GPT, for example, can be very agreeable.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (28:17) Yeah.   It's not all knowing all powerful, it just appears that way.   Yeah, sad.   Jason Hull (28:36) It's like, that's brilliant. You're the best. Like it's giving you compliments. like, yeah. You know, but the reality is, yeah, you have to ask it to challenge you. And you have to like say, what are the flaws in this or what evaluate or, and so I'll have the one AI tool evaluate what another AI tool gives me. I'll say, which of these ideas should I actually do to my offer document or what should I change or what should I improve and which things are not a good idea?   And it rates them for me. Like Claude will be like, this is like, these are the ones you should do. These ones maybe, and these ones definitely don't. I would recommend these. And I'm like, cool, do that. Right? And so, yeah. And so I think we have to, we have to have a brain that's creative enough to see the potential problems and to ask the right questions and to challenge things. because yeah, otherwise you may just   be led down a rabbit hole of your own self-reflection, that's a blind spot.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (29:37) Mm-hmm. It's the same dangers we see with TikTok. It just sends you down the wrong rabbit holes.   Jason Hull (29:43) Right. Because the algorithm is just giving you more of what you look at. you're like, man, I'm really, it's like, you know, that prurient interest where you just can't stop looking at the car crashes that are driving, you know, driving by. then the algorithm's like, cool, they want to see more car crashes. And you're like, wait, why is this awful? Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's, that's the difference between AI and real life. so, you talk about creating a self-managing sales team.   What the self-managing sales team because having managing a sales team is pain in the ass.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (30:16) Yeah, so the self-managing sales team, we're using AI to power it. So it still requires a person to actually care about the other salespeople, right? So the big thing is like, what are you meeting with them? Are you finding out what's important to them? What is their big, hairy, audacious goal, right? So that's the first and foremost. We've got to figure out what their big, hairy, audacious goals are. Then we've got to quantify it. How much money do you actually need to make to accomplish that, right? And then we reverse the math, which isn't new, but   Jason Hull (30:17) They can't.   Mm-hmm.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (30:46) The newer wrinkle here is like we got to tie it to the big hair audacious goal. And then we'd look at, right, how many transactions do you need to close? Okay. And then if we need to close as many transactions in the year, then in real estate, how many contracts do we need to go under in order to have that many closings? Right? Because unfortunately it's not a one-to-one. So then how many contracts we have, then how many appointments do we need to run per week to hit that many?   Jason Hull (30:54) Hmm.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (31:15) closings per month. And then we work into how many conversations do we need to have per week to have that many appointments per week. And then in order to have, then we figure out how many conversations we need to have per day. And we back it all the way up, right? And then.   Jason Hull (31:30) So conversations   to appointments to contracts to transactions to hit the B-Hack. Okay, right.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (31:36) Yeah, yes.   It has to work that way. And the sales manager or business owner needs to care about their people to actually care about those goals. Because if you don't care about those goals alongside of them, none of this matters. You got to care about your salespeople, But once they care about our salespeople, now we can use AI to track and hold them accountable to their metrics. And so one of the things that we have is if anyone's off, we can report this.   And you can do this with VA's and systems and this and that. The things that we've added recently with AI is that in our organization, after every single sales call, AI does a call review. And after it does a call review, it pushes it into Google Chat. So we use Google Chat, you can use Slack, you can use Teams, but we use Google Chat. It pushes into Google Chat where all the salespeople are in. And so it says, hey, Steve on this call got a 51 out of 100.   Everyone can see it. There's no hiding. Yeah, and so then after it gives me that review, it gives me the score, it gives me all the reasons why, I need to, as a salesperson, go in there and comment on it. I agree with this, I disagree with this, here's my takeaway from it, here's what I'm gonna work on. So, that's a super tight feedback loop. Now, instead of a call review that happens maybe once a week, or maybe once a month, or never,   Jason Hull (32:33) Yeah,   Right. Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (32:58) our sales guys are being coached in the moment where they're at in real time. Right? So they're self-managed because they have to go and respond to it. And here's the other thing too, like marketing has always been, or marketing should be accountable. you run your business right, we should know, hey, we spent our X dollars on this. How many leads did we get? How many contracts did we get? What was the revenue that came from this lead source for this marketing channel? What is the return on investment or return on ad spend?   Jason Hull (33:03) Yeah, that's great.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (33:25) We can be pretty good with marketing if we care. Accounting, it's really easy to tell when accounting is screwed up. It didn't zero out. Pretty easy to, you know, black and white accounting. Sales has always been leads went in and there's this black box and then contracts came out. We've eliminated that black box, right? Everyone's accountable to everyone else. So if you're in there,   Jason Hull (33:50) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (33:51) And you can see, like you're putting up 50s over and over again out of 100, either you're going to self-select out or you're going to get better. But there's nowhere safe to hide in our sales company anymore. And that's how we created a self-managing sales team. Everyone can hold everyone else accountable. Jason can call Steve out, Steve can call Jason out. Right? So that's how we've had that. And then on top of that, our AI tool also has trends. So we can say like, hey, in the last seven days, here's where Jason's really struggling. Coach him on this. Or in the last 30 days, right? So we have one guy.   His struggle consistently is isolating the real objection. That's one of our guys. The other guy, his challenge consistently is not letting a difficult statement just sit there and just ruminate for like five seconds. We'll all agree, yeah, we gotta let it sit there. So those are two different cells, guys, we have two different challenges, but I know that because   Jason Hull (34:36) Right, he jumps in and has to solve it too quick.   Right.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (34:47) every single call is being reviewed. And that's how we build our self-managed Excel team.   Jason Hull (34:51) Wow, yeah, it's really cool. I love the idea of, normally in the past, historically, I wasn't really a big fan of BHAGs, like big hairy audacious goals, because it was unrealistic, I thought. But I recently was in Mexico and I was hanging out with Ben Hardy. And he wrote this amazing new book called The Science of Scaling. And he talks about the importance of having impossible goals. And unless the goal is impossible, because he says if a goal is realistic,   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (35:13) Mm-hmm.   Jason Hull (35:17) then that means basically you're operating on your current limited level of thinking and your brain has nothing to work on. And as good as AI is, our brain really is like a quantum computer. It's like this masterful supercomputer that can create whole worlds. Our unconscious mind can do amazing things in the background. But unless we give our brain impossible goals to achieve, our brain doesn't even work to formulate new paths or new ways of thinking. It gets us out of our current prison of thinking. And so   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (35:24) Nothing to strive for.   Jason Hull (35:45) This is where I think having really big impossible goals gives you a completely different path than a linear realistic goal. so, you know, I think what I've noticed with AI, and you can test this with AI, like just say, if I want to get from zero to a thousand Instagram followers in a year, what would be my path? And it's gonna give you a pretty predictable linear path. But if you say, how do I get to a million followers in a month, for example?   super impossible, how could that be possible? You're gonna get a completely different path, right? And so the path, you know, having better goals or unrealistic or impossible goals allows your brain in the background to come up with new ideas. So I came back from Mexico, I was like, how could it close 100 deals in a month instead of 10? It's impossible. How could I do that? And I figured it out. It took me a week and a half, my brain just figured it out. I'm like, I have to...   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (36:18) True. Yeah.   Jason Hull (36:43) cancel 60 to 70 % of my calls. Anyone like doesn't confirm I have to get them off my plate. I have to have my setters feed them through a different funnel. And so we have a slow lane, middle lane, and I'm fast lane. I would have to, so we re-engineered our entire sales process and I did it in like a day. I did it in a day, maybe two. And I rebuilt everything because I had to create a completely different path in how we were doing it. Cause my current thinking,   well, my previous level of thinking realistic in order to get my company to be at X millions of dollars, you know, bigger than it is now. I was like, I'm going to have to hire like, it was a linear path. I'm like, I'm doing X. I'm going to have to hire 10 closers, 30 setters. And like it was, yeah. And I'm going to have to build this team. And I didn't even want to do it because that sounded so uncomfortable. And now we closed just about as many deals last month as we did the month before, but   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (37:27) Yeah.   Jason Hull (37:39) our sales calls, at least for me, were like a tiny, tiny fraction because we had made the process so much more efficient because without really, you know, impossible goals, we optimize for the wrong things. And I was optimizing for just increasing this linear difficult path instead of looking at how could I eliminate 90 % of the calls and still have the same close rate? That's a completely different path, right?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (37:45) Yeah.   Yeah, well, I think you're asking your previous questions with the brand you had, right? And so we need to ask different questions with a different, with, yeah.   Jason Hull (38:12) length, which was a brain that was focused on reality. And reality kept   me stuck in the same place for years. And so now I see a path where we can get much larger, much quicker, but it's because I changed my brain's focus into the playground of impossible goals instead of looking at realistic goals, which usually are just a punishment tool that we measure ourselves by.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (38:34) And it's uninspiring.   We're not getting out of bed for realistic goals. And also, in sales, like,   We get punched in the mouth all day every day. Why would you not want to build your dream life? If we're going to do the difficult things, it should be incredibly rewarding.   Jason Hull (38:44) Ahem.   Yeah. Yeah, we get a lot of people coming into the property management industry from the real estate industry, because they're tired of the hunt and chase of deals and getting punched in the mouth. They're like, how do I build a residual income subscription model business that scales and grows, that's systemizable and do that. But a lot of our clients have a brokerage and they have property management, like most of them. They do both. But the   And once the property management business is healthy, it feeds them plenty of real estate deals because investors are always doing deals.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (39:23) Right. Yeah.   Jason Hull (39:24) So anyway, I know, Steve, maybe we should hang out later and come up with some cool ideas together. But yeah, this is really fun stuff to chat about. you know, this probably we could talk about AI probably all day. It's like a big focus of mine right now as well. I'm just super geeking out on it. What, you know, what maybe   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (39:30) Absolutely, I'm game for it.   Yeah, I bet.   Jason Hull (39:47) Big takeaway, would you like everybody to get from listening to this podcast episode and then how could people, who are you looking for to connect with objection proof? And, cause I'm sure some of my audience are your audience as well. And, and how can they get in touch with you?   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (40:03) Yeah, so I think the big takeaway, I mean, we already beaten it quite a bit, but I just want to really emphasize, this is a pivotal moment in time. This is like the dot com era, right? This is like when things started getting online. There are going be a handful of people that are going to make a stupid amount of money in this period of time. And so the same question I always ask is, why not you? Right?   Jason Hull (40:25) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (40:26) So like if you're afraid just start because the reality is like AI will coach you on how to use AI. So just start. I'll say that and then you know the if someone wants to check out what we do I have a URL objectionproof.ai you can upload any sales call through text. It's gonna be a text file. It can be transcription. It can be WAV, M4A, MP3, whatever you can upload it. There's no charge you can use as many times you want. My team hates when I say that but   You upload it for free and it will evaluate your sales call, will email you the results. That's a free tool we have. Also, if anyone wanted to role play with our boss, you can text roleplay, that's one word, to the phone number 33777. And if anyone wants to check out our lead manager, you can text AI space caller, AI caller, to the same number 33777. Again, both of those are free. We're not charging anything for those.   It really is just a demonstration. All three are real demonstration of our actual product in action. And then we give that for free. Now you are going to have to talk to someone on my team. But you'll hear what our salespeople sound like as well. Or you can just ignore it. Either way is fine. But if nothing else, just check it out because you can see the direction we're heading. look, I've heard people say this over and over again. I always kind of like roll my eyes when they say it. But it's still true.   Jason Hull (41:34) Yeah.   Steve Trang ObjectionProof.ai (41:47) The version of AI today is the worst version you'll ever deal with. Because it's only getting better.   Jason Hull (41:51) Yeah.   Yeah, and it's crazy. It's really insane how quick things are changing. It's just speeding up faster and faster. So, all right, well, Steve, great having you on the show. Appreciate you hanging out with me. Those of you watching, if you are a property management business owner, you've ever felt stuck or stagnant, you want to take your property management business to the next level, reach out to us at doorgrow.com. We can help.   Also join our free Facebook community just for property management business owners at doorgrowclub.com. And if you found this even a little bit helpful, don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We'd really appreciate it. And until next time, remember the slowest path to growth is to do it alone. So let's grow together and guess with AI. Bye everyone.

Episode Overview In this episode, John sits down with Kristyn Drennen, founder of Transform CXO, to dive deep into leadership, scaling, and the power of fractional executives. They explore how business owners can break through growth ceilings, leverage the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS), and free themselves from solopreneur chaos. From the difference between visionaries and integrators, to how fractional COOs help real estate teams scale without overextending, this is a masterclass in leadership clarity, accountability, and sustainable growth. Kristyn shares her unique perspective from working across multiple industries, showing why the right frameworks and talent can transform both businesses and lives. What You'll Learn in This Episode The Power of Operating Systems Why Scaling Up often overwhelms smaller businesses How EOS provides clarity and simplicity for real estate teams Why consistency, not complexity, drives growth Fractional Executives Explained What fractional COOs and integrators actually do Why “fractional horsepower” beats hiring too early How to know if fractional talent is the right next step Visionary vs. Integrator Roles The difference between creating ideas, executing, and managing Why many team leaders get stuck wearing too many hats How to free yourself into the visionary role without losing momentum Leadership & Team Development Why most growth challenges come down to people or process How to use Working Genius to identify strengths and frustrations Why leadership development gets pushed aside—and why it shouldn't Scaling with Intention Why loyalty can cap your team's growth The importance of building an accountability chart How to hire people who've already been where you want to go Resources & Mentions Traction by Gino Wickman – The foundation of EOS Scaling Up by Verne Harnish – Framework for larger businesses The Motive & The Advantage by Patrick Lencioni – Must-reads for leaders The Six Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni – Productivity assessment for leaders and teams Transform CXO → transformcxo.com Follow Kristyn on Instagram: @kristyndrennencxo John Kitchens Executive Coaching → JohnKitchens.coach Final Takeaway Leadership clarity is the ultimate growth accelerator. By understanding your true role, bringing in the right fractional support, and implementing proven systems, you can scale your business without sacrificing your freedom. “Fractional means fraction of the time, fraction of the cost—but full horsepower.” – Kristyn Drennen Connect with Us: Instagram: @johnkitchenscoach LinkedIn: @johnkitchenscoach Facebook: @johnkitchenscoach   If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and leave a review. Stay tuned for more insights and strategies from the top minds. See you next time!

Leadership may come with titles, pay, and freedom, but it also demands sacrifice, and too often, leaders forget this truth. When they do, organizations slip into coddling cultures, unclear values, and employees unprepared for the realities of work. In this episode, Patrick Lencioni, CEO of The Table Group and bestselling author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team and Working Genius, breaks down what leadership really requires and why so many organizations get it wrong. We explore why true leadership is rooted in service, clarity, and accountability, not perks or comfort, and caution against the dangers of companies trying to be “everything to everyone.” We also explore the balance between inclusion and responsibility, the widespread misuse of psychological safety, and how overemphasizing well-being can unintentionally weaken resilience. This conversation is a reminder that leaders must be brutally clear about values, hire for humility, hunger, and smarts, and embrace discomfort as the foundation for growth and long-term success.   ________________ Start your day with the world's top leaders by joining thousands of others at Great Leadership on Substack. Just enter your email: ⁠⁠https://greatleadership.substack.com/

Episode Overview In this episode, John Kitchens sits down with industry leader Cindi Featherstone-Shields to uncover the power of community in both real estate and leadership. From dominating her East Texas golf course community to building one of the most agent-centric offices in the business, Cindi reveals the strategies that have made her business recession-proof. They dive into why true success isn't about transactions—it's about relationships. From moving trucks and margarita Fridays to 8:30 a.m. accountability calls and Working Genius assessments, Cindi has built a culture where clients feel loved, agents feel supported, and business continues to thrive no matter the market. This is a masterclass in creating connection, leading with authenticity, and building a business that fuels both profits and fulfillment. What You'll Learn in This Episode Building Client Communities That Last Why embedding yourself in a neighborhood makes your business recession-proof How events, moving trucks, and small touches create lifelong clients Turning past clients into friends—and friends into repeat customers Leading Through Agent-Centric Culture How Cindi designed her office to feel like a coffee shop, not a brokerage The role of Working Genius in aligning agents with their strengths Why daily 8:30 Zoom huddles are non-negotiable for accountability The Power of Events & Experiences From golf tournaments to Christmas parties: why shared experiences fuel referrals Why spending on food and hospitality beats spending on funnels How to gamify agent production with challenges and competitions Mindset & Long-Term Growth Why chasing listings (not buyers) creates leverage The danger of “backup plans” in real estate success Why the best leaders never stop showing up for their people Resources & Mentions Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni – Framework for leadership and team alignment HoneyBadgerNation.com – Coaching, training, and community for growth-minded agents Cindi's Nonprofit: Wags – Supporting rescue animals through fundraising John Kitchens Executive Coaching → JohnKitchens.coach Final Takeaway Community is the ultimate competitive advantage. When you invest in people—whether it's clients or agents—you create loyalty, referrals, and impact that no market shift can take away. “This is not transactional business. This is about loving people, supporting them, and becoming part of their lives.” – Cindi Shields Instagram: @johnkitchenscoach LinkedIn: @johnkitchenscoach Facebook: @johnkitchenscoach   If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and leave a review. Stay tuned for more insights and strategies from the top minds. See you next time!

What happens when a doctor tells you to "just sit on the couch and don't do anything" because you're so burned out you might break? That's exactly what happened to Aaron Wagner during his darkest days as a middle manager. Today, he's transformed that pain into purpose, building Lead from WithN - a coaching practice that's revolutionizing how we support the forgotten leaders stuck in the middle.In this raw and transformative conversation, Aaron shares his journey from corporate burnout to becoming the champion that 70% of unsupported middle managers desperately need. We dive deep into his three-pillar Middle Manager Success Framework (Lead Yourself, Lead Others, Lead with Impact), explore the Working Genius model that's changing how teams function, and discover why traditional leadership books fail the people who need them most. Plus, Aaron opens up about his experience in my Art of Reinvention program and how it helped him see patterns in his life he'd never noticed before.Listen now to discover the framework that's saving careers and transforming corporate America from the inside out.In this episode, you'll learn:[03:29] Aaron's "stuck in the middle" origin story[07:04] The doctor visit that changed everything[08:27] The 90-day transformation period[11:41] The Middle Manager Success Framework explained[14:47] Breaking down the Working Genius Model[22:23] Aaron's Art of Reinvention experienceHere are the resources mentioned in the show:Follow @lead.fromwithn on InstagramFree Reinvention Breakthrough CallJoin the Art of ReinventionAre you enjoying the podcast? We'd be so grateful if you gave us a rating and review! Your 5 star ratings help us reach more businesses like yours and allows us to continue to deliver valuable content every single week. Click here to review the show on Apple podcast or your favorite platformSelect “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review”Share your favorite insights and inspirationsIf you haven't done so yet, make sure that you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts and on Apple Podcast for special bonus content you won't get elsewhere.xo, Tracy MatthewsFollow on Social:Follow @Flourish_Thrive on InstagramFollow @iamtracymatthews  InstagramFollow Flourish & Thrive Facebook

What creative analogies can you use to help understand your joy and frustration at work?In episode 95 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick and Cody revisit one of their earliest metaphors for the Six Types of Working Genius model: the coffee cup analogy. They explore how it explains joy, competency, and frustration in work—and why new analogies like batteries, bikes, and even shoes can add nuance to the conversation. Along the way, they highlight how interest, energy, and preference intersect with genius.Topics explored in this episode: (3:42) Battery Analogies* How genius can feel like charging a phone.* Whether constant genius work is healthy or limiting.(7:30) Bike Riding Analogies* Cody introduces the uphill, flat, and downhill bike comparison.* Pat adds how electric bikes recharge, mirroring the energy of genius.(9:44) Analogies About Shoes and Household Chores * The difference between genius and personal likes/dislikes.(15:06) The Lunch Analogy * How interest or disinterest in particular subjects or meals shape our energy.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.

Patrick Lencioni is one of the founders of The Table Group and is the pioneer of the organizational health movement. He is the author of 13 books, which have sold over 9 million copies and been translated into more than 30 languages.As President of the Table Group, Pat spends his time speaking and writing about leadership, teamwork, and organizational health and consulting with executives and their teams.  After more than twenty years in print, his classic book, The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, remains a fixture on national best-seller lists.  His most recent book, The Six Types of Working Genius, was released in September 2022, and he is also the host of the popular business podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni.  In this episode of World of DaaS, Patrick and Auren discuss:Why smart companies fail despite having great strategyThe six types of working genius frameworkHow to run meetings that don't suckBuilding organizational health through productive conflictLooking for more tech, data and venture capital intel? Head to worldofdaas.com for our podcast, newsletter and events, and follow us on X @worldofdaas.You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Patrick Lencioni on X at @patricklencioni, on Linkedin and on YouTube. Take the Working Genius Assessment here: https://workinggenius.me/showEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com)

In July 2020, I wrote a blog post titled “I Want to Clone Myself” and I've fantasized about cloning as the solution to growing my business many times since then. I bet you have too. Being an entrepreneur means wearing many hats, especially in the early years, and most of those hats are unflattering and don't fit well. Enter serial entrepreneur and fellow ADHD-er, Will Christiansen, who has been called “The Tony Stark of Software” in the field of automation. In this fast-paced episode, Will and I unpack the challenges of scaling a business and how AI, automation, and what Will calls “top-tier human talent” are the elegant solution you may be looking for. If you've struggled with overcomplicated, clunky systems that slow you down and failed to find team members who match your drive, creativity, and commitment, this candid conversation is packed with practical strategies that move the needle and boost your bottom line. Guest BioWill Christiansen (he/him) is a systems thinker and automation expert who helps entrepreneurs take back their time and scale their business. Will is the founder of The Entrepreneur's Apprentice and host of Automation Hunter. He specializes in building teams and tech stacks that let visionary minds focus on what they do best. Will is also a champion of the “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” approach and has a brilliant strategy for hiring “entrepreneurial apprentices” who help founders scale without burning out. Will's revolutionary“15-1-1-5” framework, which he developed to manage his own executive functioning challenges, is an ADHD-friendly alternative to traditional time management strategies. Episode HighlightsYou Don't Need a Clone—You Need Your Opposite: Will reveals that hiring someone just like you might double your chaos, not your output. The real solution? Find an apprentice or two who complements your weaknesses and excels where you struggle. Sometimes, your best partner is someone with a different brain!Automate, Delegate, Eliminate—In That Order: Learning to let go is harder than it looks, so start with identifying what can be automated (especially now that AI makes it easier than ever). Save your executive functioning and cognitive energy for the big, creative stuff rather than routine busywork.Equity and Ownership Breed Commitment: Want your team to “own” their work? Will recommends offering phantom equity to empower top-tier talent to act as “mini-CEOs.” This transforms their sense of responsibility and buy-in, leading to loyalty and drive you can't just hire for.Mentioned by our guest Automation Hunter YouTube ChannelEntrepreneur's ApprenticeKolbe Assessment RemoteWork.com Books referenced:The E-Myth by Michael GerberThe One Thing by Gary Keller & Jay PapasanBuy Back Your Time by Dan MartellThe 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick LencioniNever Split the Difference by Chris VossWant to Find Out More?Will is offering a FREE 15-minute call for ADHD-ish listeners to jumpstart your “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” journey. And if he doesn't blow your mind, he'll give you a $50 Amazon gift card. (Spoiler: it never

In July 2020, I wrote a blog post titled “I Want to Clone Myself” and I've fantasized about cloning as the solution to growing my business many times since then. I bet you have too. Being an entrepreneur means wearing many hats, especially in the early years, and most of those hats are unflattering and don't fit well. Enter serial entrepreneur and fellow ADHD-er, Will Christiansen, who has been called “The Tony Stark of Software” in the field of automation. In this fast-paced episode, Will and I unpack the challenges of scaling a business and how AI, automation, and what Will calls “top-tier human talent” are the elegant solution you may be looking for. If you've struggled with overcomplicated, clunky systems that slow you down and failed to find team members who match your drive, creativity, and commitment, this candid conversation is packed with practical strategies that move the needle and boost your bottom line. Guest BioWill Christiansen (he/him) is a systems thinker and automation expert who helps entrepreneurs take back their time and scale their business. Will is the founder of The Entrepreneur's Apprentice and host of Automation Hunter. He specializes in building teams and tech stacks that let visionary minds focus on what they do best. Will is also a champion of the “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” approach and has a brilliant strategy for hiring “entrepreneurial apprentices” who help founders scale without burning out. Will's revolutionary“15-1-1-5” framework, which he developed to manage his own executive functioning challenges, is an ADHD-friendly alternative to traditional time management strategies. Episode HighlightsYou Don't Need a Clone—You Need Your Opposite: Will reveals that hiring someone just like you might double your chaos, not your output. The real solution? Find an apprentice or two who complements your weaknesses and excels where you struggle. Sometimes, your best partner is someone with a different brain!Automate, Delegate, Eliminate—In That Order: Learning to let go is harder than it looks, so start with identifying what can be automated (especially now that AI makes it easier than ever). Save your executive functioning and cognitive energy for the big, creative stuff rather than routine busywork.Equity and Ownership Breed Commitment: Want your team to “own” their work? Will recommends offering phantom equity to empower top-tier talent to act as “mini-CEOs.” This transforms their sense of responsibility and buy-in, leading to loyalty and drive you can't just hire for.Mentioned by our guest Automation Hunter YouTube ChannelEntrepreneur's ApprenticeKolbe Assessment RemoteWork.com Books referenced:The E-Myth by Michael GerberThe One Thing by Gary Keller & Jay PapasanBuy Back Your Time by Dan MartellThe 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick LencioniNever Split the Difference by Chris VossWant to Find Out More?Will is offering a FREE 15-minute call for ADHD-ish listeners to jumpstart your “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” journey. And if he doesn't blow your mind, he'll give you a $50 Amazon gift card. (Spoiler: it never

Ever feel like you're doing everything for everyone and still falling short? That's the mental load, and it might be silently sabotaging your business, your relationships, and your sanity. Today's guest is Dr. Morgan Cutlip: a psychologist, relationship expert, and author on a mission to help women feel whole, light, and deeply connected in all their relationships. With a PhD in psychology and a knack for translating research into real-life solutions, she's helped hundreds of thousands of people navigate the complexities of love, family, and partnership.  Her books Love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself and her upcoming title A Better Share tackle the emotional and mental responsibilities women disproportionately carry, especially when it comes to marriage, motherhood, and yes, running a business. If you've ever wondered why you're burnt out even when your partner or team is “helping,” or if you've struggled to balance being a boss and being present at home, this conversation is for you. We're diving into how the mental load affects your business, your boundaries, and your personal life, and what you can do to take some of that weight off. Want to go deeper? Pre-order Dr. Morgan's brand new book, A Better Share: How Couples Can Tackle The Mental Load for More Fun, Less Resentment, and Great Sex now!  Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/emotional-labor-and-burnout-women  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

Let's flip the roles, Goal Diggers: today, YOU get to guide the conversation! I asked you to call in with your questions about business, life, creativity, burnout, strategy… Really, anything you're walking through right now. And you showed up with such incredible honesty, depth, and curiosity. In this episode, I'm answering your real questions. We cover everything from pivoting your business when you're scared to let go of what's working, navigating grief while building something meaningful, handling burnout, organizing your growing testimonials, and what's been giving me life outside of work lately. You'll hear stories, strategies, and some honest behind-the-scenes of what's felt really hard (and really good!) for me lately. And if you're listening and thinking, “Wait, I have a question too!”,  good news! I want to hear from you. If you want your voice featured on an upcoming episode, just call me at 218-203-9660 and leave a voicemail with your question. Seriously, don't overthink it… just speak from the heart and you might be part of the next AMA episode! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/ask-me-anything-jenna-kutcher-august-2025  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger. Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

How can the Working Genius model prevent decision-making confusion?In episode 94 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat, Cody, and guest Krista Kotrla unpack the concept of “crossing the decision line,” exploring how leaders can move from healthy conflict to clear commitments, avoiding the trap of endless discernment and re-decision. Through practical tools like end-of-meeting discipline, clarity over certainty, and understanding the nuances of galvanizing, they discuss how to drive alignment, commitment, and faster execution.Krista Kotrla is a consultant with The Table Group who helps leaders turn healthy conflict into clear commitments.Topics explored in this episode: * 00:00 – Defining the Decision Line* 06:50 – Decision Science vs. Implementation Science* 09:41 – Linking the Decision Line to the Five Dysfunctions* 13:44 – Galvanizing and Communication After Decisions* 16:35 – Real-World Example of Clarity Over Consensus* 21:33 – The Power of Clarity in LeadershipThanks to Krista Kotrla for being on the show! Visit: https://kristakotrla.com/ Connect with Krista on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristakotrla This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://workinggenius.me/about Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via

Have you ever wondered why it feels harder to build a business as a woman? It's not just you, and Anna Gifty has the stats to prove it. This conversation will explain exactly why… and what we can do about it. Anna is a Harvard-trained economist and the author of The Double Tax, a bold new book that breaks down the invisible costs women—especially women of color—pay just to participate in society. But what makes this conversation essential for entrepreneurs? Anna shows how these “taxes” sneak into your business, your brand, your pricing, your funding, your time, and what you can do to push back. From the cost of motherhood to beauty standards in the workplace to why generational wealth-building still feels out of reach, this episode is a masterclass in economic empowerment. And it's not just theory; Anna gives us the tools to change things. If you're building a business and wondering why it still feels this hard or you want to be part of rewriting the rules, this conversation is your permission slip and your playbook. And if you want to dive deeper into this topic, order your copy of The Double Tax here: https://annagifty.com/thedoubletax  Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/hidden-cost-of-being-a-woman-in-business  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

If you're anything like me, you've felt that internal nudge: that quiet but persistent pull that says something's changing.  Maybe you're shifting directions in your business, pivoting your offers, or simply stepping into a new version of yourself. And when that happens, your brand should evolve right along with you! In this episode, I'm walking you through how to thoughtfully align your brand with who you are becoming, without confusing your audience or losing momentum. From rewriting your mission to doing a full content audit, adjusting your strategy, and letting your people in on the journey, we'll cover it all! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/brandevolution  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

Jesse Kellum IV doesn’t just write for Odyssey—he also works at the real-life Whit’s End! Hear how a workplace personality quiz inspired his latest episode, how a slide thermometer sparked a memorable story, and how he tackled the tricky dynamics between Jay and his dad in “Put to the Test.”

Your website isn't a “nice to have”, it's one of your most powerful business tools. In this conversation with Jen Olmstead, we reveal how to turn your site into an investment that pays you back: attracting the right people, making you money, and finally feeling like you. Jen Olmstead is a brand and web designer, a visual storyteller, and a certified type nerd who's made it her mission to create online spaces people actually want to explore. She's also the co-founder of TONIC SITE SHOP: home of the most stunning, cocktail-inspired website templates for modern, stylish creatives. What I love about Jen's work is how it combines aesthetics and strategy in a way that helps you build a website that actually works, meaning that it attracts the right people, tells your story clearly, and converts visitors into paying clients or customers. And it does all of that while you live your life, step away from your screen, and finally stop feeling like you have to be “on” all the time! So whether you've been duct-taping your site together or you don't have one at all yet, this episode is for you. If you're ready to give your website a major glow-up after this convo, you can shop TONIC templates at http://www.jennakutcher.com/tonic and use the code JENNASENTME to get 15% off any template. Because you deserve a website that works while you rest! That's http://www.jennakutcher.com/tonic! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/simple-website-strategy-to-sell-more  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

On this episode of Currently Reading, Meredith and Kaytee are discussing: Bookish Moments: bookstore romance day +  let there be a reading light Current Reads: all the great, interesting, and/or terrible stuff we've been reading lately Deep Dive: advice on avoiding bookish amnesia The Fountain: we visit our perfect fountain to make wishes about our reading lives Show notes are time-stamped below for your convenience. Read the transcript of the episode (this link only works on the main site) .  .  .  .  01:55 - Our Bookish Moments Of The Week 04:56 - The Currently Reading Library Tote (CR Merch) 05:42 - May Your Coffee Be Hot Mug (CR Merch) 09:14 - Our Current Reads 09:27 - Louder Than Hunger by John Schu (Kaytee) 13:24 - Deenie by Judy Blume 15:31 - Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret. by Judy Blume 15:34 - Forever by Judy Blume 17:20 - Culpability by Bruce Holsinger (Meredith) 18:57 - The Displacements by Bruce Holsinger 19:07 - The Gifted School by Bruce Holsinger 21:56 - In an Instant by Suzanne Redfearn 22:22 - Flirting Lessons by Jasmine Guillory (Kaytee) 25:44 - The Six Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni (Meredith) 31:30 - Weyward by Emilia Hart (Kaytee) 34:31 - The Knight and the Moth by Rachel Gillig (Meredith) 36:36 - One Dark Window by Rachel Gillig 38:26 - The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow 39:15 - Quicksilver by Callie Hart 40:22 - Deep Dive: Answering a listener question and giving advice on avoiding bookish amnesia 49:15 - Meet Us At The Fountain 49:22 - I wish more readers would pick up Go As a River by Shelley Read (Kaytee) 50:00 - Where the Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens 51:21 - I wish you would consider experimenting with a new pen: like this “cheater” fountain pen, Pilot Varsity Disposable Fountain (Meredith) Support Us: Become a Bookish Friend | Grab Some Merch Shop Bookshop dot org | Shop Amazon Bookish Friends Receive: The Indie Press List with a curated list of five books hand sold by the indie of the month. August's IPL comes to us from our founding Indie Press List store: Fabled Bookshop in Waco, TX! Love and Chili Peppers with Kaytee and Rebekah - romance lovers get their due with this special episode focused entirely on the best selling genre fiction in the business.  All Things Murderful with Meredith and Elizabeth - special content for the scary-lovers, brought to you with the behind-the-scenes insights of an independent bookseller From the Editor's Desk with Kaytee and Bunmi Ishola - a quarterly peek behind the curtain at the publishing industry The Bookish Friends Facebook Group - where you can build community with bookish friends from around the globe as well as our hosts Connect With Us: The Show: Instagram | Website | Email | Threads The Hosts and Regulars: Meredith | Kaytee | Mary | Roxanna Production and Editing: Megan Phouthavong Evans Affiliate Disclosure: All affiliate links go to Bookshop unless otherwise noted. Shopping here helps keep the lights on and benefits indie bookstores. Thanks for your support!  

What if I told you that one simple piece of helpful content could totally change how people find you, connect with you, and eventually buy from you? In this episode, we're getting really practical about email list building, and I'm sharing the exact steps to create a lead magnet; AKA: the simple, helpful entry point that not only grows your email list but actually attracts the right people into your business! I know email marketing can feel like a lot, but here's the truth: your email list is one of the most valuable assets you can build. And creating your first (or next) opt-in doesn't have to be hard. So today, I'm walking you through what to consider before you create a lead magnet, the different types of freebies that actually work, and how to start attracting the people who are most aligned with what you offer. And if you're thinking, “This sounds great, but how do I actually set it all up?” then don't worry, I've got you covered. We're covering a LOT today, but if you want to go even deeper, I created a totally free mini-course that walks you through the entire process, step by step. Jump into the mini course right now at https://listbuildchallenge.com! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/email-list-opt-in-ideas-that-convert  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

In this special Aaron Werner Podcast takeover, Sophie Thune returns to explore the Working Genius profile of Skyler Werner—lead technician at Werner Optometry and Aaron's son. After a fun and insightful first episode exploring Dr. Warner's genius type, this follow-up digs into Skyler's unique pairing: Enablement + Wonder, the “Idealistic Supporter.” Together, they discuss how Skyler helps implement new ideas in the clinic, the beauty (and burden) of the enablement genius, and how growing up in a legacy optometric practice shapes his sense of responsibility and pride. If you're curious how the Working Genius model can empower your team, or you're navigating a family business dynamic, this one's for you.

What makes galvanizing more disruptive than other Working Geniuses?In episode 93 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody explore why galvanizing is the most disruptive of all the Working Geniuses. They unpack the nature of galvanizing as the only Genius that necessarily involves moving others, making it uniquely powerful—and often misunderstood. Through stories and reflection, they highlight the challenges and the essential value of galvanizers in any team or organization.Topics explored in this episode: (0:40) Why Galvanizing Disrupts by Nature* Unlike other Geniuses, galvanizing cannot happen in isolation—it always affects others.(4:33) Galvanizing * People with galvanizing as a frustration often avoid rallying others or making requests.* Teams without galvanizers struggle to gain momentum.(7:25) Real-Life Galvanizing* Cody shares a college story of galvanizing classmates.* Even unpopular actions can be valuable when driven by a galvanizing instinct.(11:14) Galvanizing Paired with Other Geniuses* Adding G to any Genius makes the combination more action-oriented.* Certain Genius pairings, like IG or GT, can help breakthrough change.(15:03) Leading and Conviction* Sometimes conviction or leadership can be mistaken for galvanizing.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Let us know your feedback...

Welcome to part two of Greg's conversation with Karyn Macfarlane, founder of Supporting Stars and certified Working Genius Certified Facilitator.How does the Working Genius apply to a development teams of one?Together Greg and Karyn go through the 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni and why knowing them can enhance your fundraising potential.You can learn more about the Working Genius, take the test, or purchase the book at: https://www.workinggenius.comFind out more about Karyn and her work at supportingstars.com.

Have you ever opened your inbox and wondered… “Is anyone out there actually reading this?” Or worse: “Am I just sending helpful tips into the void without ever making a sale?”  If email marketing feels like a mystery to you, today's coaching session and my FREE minicourse at https://listbuildchallenge.com is about to lift the fog. Andrea Astner, also known as The Productivity Witch, is a coach who helps overwhelmed ADHD solopreneurs find flow and structure in their business in a way that works with their unique brain, not against it. In this coaching session, we're digging into her biggest challenges around email marketing and list-building, including how to attract the right people, create a newsletter that actually converts (without being spammy), and what metrics are really worth tracking when you're building a business with intention. Not sure what to say in your emails, how to balance value with sales, or how to grow an email list that actually leads to paying clients? Click play! And if you want even more help with list building, head to https://listbuildchallenge.com and sign up for my free mini-course that will walk you through how to start, serve, and scale your email list! By this time next year, you could have an email list that's driving sales, creating freedom, and supporting your big dreams. I'll see you there! https://listbuildchallenge.com   Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/email-marketing-101-beginner-strategy  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

In today's episode, Mike Brewer reviews The Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni, the creator of the Five Dysfunctions of a Team. While Lencioni is known for his groundbreaking business models, Mike feels that The Working Genius falls short in comparison to his other works. This book introduces a model that helps individuals identify their “working genius” and understand team dynamics better, but Mike feels it might be a bit forced and not as impactful as his previous offerings.Is it worth reading? Maybe, if you have the time, but if you're a fan of Patrick Lencioni's earlier work, you might find this one a bit underwhelming. Watch or listen to Mike's full review to see why he feels this book doesn't quite measure up.

Greg sits down today for part one of a conversation with Karyn Macfarlane, founder of Supporting Stars and certified Working Genius Certified Facilitator.Together they go through the 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni and why knowing them can enhance your fundraising potential.You can learn more about the Working Genius, take the test, or purchase the book at: https://www.workinggenius.comFind out more about Karyn and her work at supportingstars.com.

If you've ever typed a caption from the Target parking lot or recorded a podcast intro while holding a baby monitor… this one's for you. Because Goal Digger, you don't need a 40-hour workweek to build a dream. Sometimes, 20 minutes and a little fire is all it takes! In this episode, I'm walking you through 9 things you can do to grow your business in just 20 minutes.  These aren't fluff; they're the exact kinds of micro-moves I made when I was starting out… And honestly, they're still the ones I come back to now, between mom-ing, meetings, and trying to potty train our dog Hank! Remember: progress doesn't require perfection, a packed calendar, or even a full day to yourself. It starts with the 20 minutes you have today, and the drive to stay consistent one day at a time. Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/grow-your-business-in-20-minutes-a-day  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

We talk a lot about what to DO to grow–-what to post, what to sell, what strategy to follow—but the truth is, none of that matters if your mindset isn't in the right place.  The biggest transformations usually don't start with a checklist. They start with a belief, a shift, or a single moment where you realize: “Oh… maybe it doesn't have to be this way.” This episode is filled with those moments. I've pulled together 5 of the most powerful mindset shifts ever shared on the Goal Digger Podcast, straight from some of our most impactful guests. These are the beliefs and inner scripts that changed everything for them, and they just might change everything for you, too. If you're starting something new, stuck in self-doubt, or just need a reminder that your brain can be your biggest asset (not your biggest roadblock!), click play! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://jennakutcherblog.com/expert-mindset-shifts-for-work-rest-and-dreaming   Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at http://greenlight.com/goaldigger!  Save 30% on Bitdefender Ultimate Small Business Security at https://bitdefender.com/goaldigger  and keep your business protected. Get 20% off our $25.00 Working Genius assessment at https://workinggenius.com with promo code GOALDIGGER. Reach the right professionals with LinkedIn Ads, used by over a billion professionals worldwide. Get your $100 credit at https://www.linkedin.com/goal!

What if your signature style could communicate where you fit in the process of getting work done before you even speak? In this episode, I share my Working Genius discovery and why understanding this framework made me realize I'd been sabotaging my own effectiveness by blending in visually. Unlike Myers-Briggs or Enneagram, Working Genius reveals which parts of the work process you're most inclined to contribute to. I explore why this matters for how you show up and why the solution isn't another style system but trusting your authentic aesthetic instead. Download the Guide to Design Psychology. Begin your Signature Style discovery journey with your Essential Signature Style Guide. Let's connect! Download my free guide - Discover Your Style DNA: A Guide to Seasonal Energy & Personality Colors to start discovering your true colors today! Take the style personality quiz: What's Your Style Personality? Take the quiz here! Download the free guide: Discover Your Essential Aesthetic. Are you a DIYer? Grab the workbook: The Wardrobe Pyramid and discover what clothes you really need for your lifestyle. Want to learn more about how to discover your Style DNA? Visit my website. To suggest a podcast topic, send email to hello@signaturestylesystems.com.  

Are you unintentionally discouraging others by calling something “easy”?In episode 92 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody explore the pitfalls of assuming that what's easy and fun for you will be the same for others. They explore how working within your genius can make tasks feel effortless and how this can mislead us when advising or leading others. This episode is a reminder to value your own strengths and to honor the differences in how others are wired.Topics explored in this episode: (00:00) The Myth of Easy and Fun* Pat shares a story about someone saying a college major was “easy and fun” without considering individual differences.* The idea that what's easy within your genius can be misleading for others.(03:18) Why 'Easy' Can Hurt* Labeling tasks as “easy” can unintentionally demotivate or discourage others who struggle.* People may feel inadequate or undervalued when they can't replicate what seems effortless to someone else.(06:29) Practice vs. Joy* Mastery alone doesn't lead to fulfillment if you're not working in your genius.* Pat reflects on writing as a gift and contrasts it with skills he's developed that still feel like a chore.(09:29) Self-Awareness and Respecting Differences* How practicing wonder isn't fulfilling for Cody even if he gets better at it.* The need to avoid pushing people into roles they're not wired for.(13:01) Real-World Consequences* Misjudging others' working genius can lead to years stuck in an unfulfilling career.* Parenting and workplace examples that show how important it is to honor different gifts.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (

This episode is one that high school counselors come back to again and again — and for good reason. If you're looking for a meaningful way to reset with your team before the chaos of the school year begins, this conversation is packed with practical tips for hosting an off-campus planning day that sets the tone for a successful year. From crafting SMART goals and setting team norms to reviewing key documents and mapping out your first few weeks, you'll walk away with a roadmap to help your team start the year strong.Resources Mentioned: Visit my High School Counselor Amazon StorefrontPodcast: Episode 32, Back to School Tips for High School Counselors: Office PrepBook: “Future Focused Leaders: Relate, Innovate, and Invigorate for Real Educational Change” by Bill Ziegler and Dave RamageBook: StrengthsFinder 2.0 by Tom RathResource: Top 5 CliftonStrengths in the Online Gallup StoreResource: The 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni Resource: The ASCA National Model 4th EditionBlog: 6 Keys to Holding a Productive Planning DayLeave your review for High School Counseling Conversations on Apple PodcastsConnect with Lauren:Sign up for the free, 3-day prep for High School Counseling Job Interviews https://counselorclique.com/interviewsVisit my TpT store https://counselorclique.com/shopSend me a DM on Instagram @counselorclique https://instagram.com/counselorcliqueFollow me on Facebook https://facebook.com/counselorcliqueSend me an email mailto:lauren@counselorclique.comJoin the Clique Collaborative http://cliquecollab.comOriginal show notes on website: https://counselorclique.com/summer-team-planning-day/

Open Forum: Pastor Amos and the group discussed various professional, spiritual, and strategic challenges. Alicia sought platform recommendations for managing tiered video content, with Pastor Amos suggesting tools like Teachable and Circle, and also advised her to pause and reset her business model to shift from free to paid services. They explored the Working Genius personality framework to better understand team dynamics. Stephanie evaluated career paths in memoir writing versus film and TV, while Pastor Amos shared signs that indicate when a project's anointing has ended. Anya and Pastor Amos discussed relocating their nonprofit and aligning decisions with God's timing. The group also examined the interpretation of a Bible verse on prayer, addressing its misuse and spiritual implications. Deborah shared workplace struggles tied to her Christian values, with Pastor Amos offering guidance on handling conflict, spiritual warfare, and maintaining integrity in challenging environments. The session closed with support and prayer for Deborah and encouragement to stand firm in faith and purpose. Partner with Us: https://churchforentrepreneurs.com/partner Connect with Us: https://churchforentrepreneurs.com                  

What happens when a brilliant vision meets the messy reality of execution? In the space between leadership's aspirational goals and the day-to-day work of contributors lies the often misunderstood—yet absolutely critical—role of management.Matt Lay, author of "Manage Your Gaps" and co-founder of Inflection Point Nexus Advisors, reveals why so many organizations struggle with this "messy middle."The conversation explores Matt's revolutionary EPIC model of management (Environment, Performance, Identity, Communication), the concept of Fulfillment ROI (measuring energy invested versus value received), and practical applications of Patrick Lencioni's Working Genius framework. Matt challenges traditional thinking about generational differences, arguing that what truly separates people isn't age but communication preferences and innate wiring.For founders, executives, and managers navigating today's complex workplace, this episode offers a fresh perspective on what makes teams truly thrive.Connect with Matt and Inflection Point Nexus Advisors at: ·       Website: https://www.ipnadvisors.com/·       LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattley/·       Learn about Matt's book: https://manageyourgaps.com/

 In this repeat of the kickoff episode of Season Two of Uncover the Human, Cristina and Alex reflect on their podcasting journey—from humble closet recordings to a full-blown professional setup—and dive into one of their favorite topics: self-assessments. The episode explores the value of assessments in fostering personal insight, team effectiveness, and workplace well-being. They share laughs and lessons from their own experiences with tools like StandOut, Working Genius, and the Genesis Emotional Intelligence assessment, highlighting how understanding your strengths, frustrations, and energy zones can transform both individual growth and team dynamics.The conversation also emphasizes the importance of human-centered work—moving beyond bandwidth and spreadsheets to staff teams based on how people actually thrive. By examining what energizes or drains us and how we each uniquely contribute to the process of work, Alex and Cristina show how assessments like Working Genius can unlock empathy, improve collaboration, and create more sustainable and fulfilling workplaces. It's a fun, real, and insightful episode that invites listeners to learn more about themselves while rethinking how we work together.

What's the key to thriving in the workplace? According to The Six Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni, it's more than just doing a good job. Working Genius is a powerful tool for understanding ourselves and how we work with others. It helps us discover the stages of work that bring joy and fulfillment—and the ones that leave us feeling drained or burned out.In today's exchange, Doug Bradle, Nussbaum's Chief Operations Officer and certified Working Genius coach, unpacks the six stages of work:• Wonder – asking the big questions and imagining what could be.• Invention – creating brand-new solutions from scratch.• Discernment – evaluating and improving ideas with insight.• Galvanizing – rallying people and generating momentum.• Enablement – jumping in to help and provide practical support.• Tenacity – grit to push things across the finish line.The Working Genius Assessment identifies two areas of Genius—your natural gifts that bring energy and joy. It also reveals two Competencies—things you're capable of doing and don't mind—and two Frustrations—things you aren't good at and naturally drain you. Using real-world examples, Doug shares how this framework can transform hiring decisions, team culture, and even how we relate to family and community. At its core, Working Genius helps us better understand what we want from our work—and what those around us want, too.Press play to learn more!FROM TODAY'S PODCAST• Guest: Doug Bradle, Chief Operations Officer at Nussbaum • Learn more about The Six Types of Working Genius at workinggenius.com. • Take the AssessmentLET'S CONNECT• Visit us online at terminalexchange.org • Follow The Terminal Exchange on social media! • Facebook• Instagram • XABOUT NUSSBAUM Employee-Owned, Purpose Driven | Nussbaum is an industry-leader in over-the-road freight transportation. For more information on our award-winning services and top-paying driver careers, visit nussbaum.com or nussbaumjobs.com.

What makes the Genius of Enablement (“E”) such a crucial part of team implementation?Episode 91 of the Working Genius Podcast dives into the Enablement Genius with guest Tracy Noble, Chief Development Officer at The Table Group. Pat, Cody, and Tracy explore the subtle power of Enablement—how it brings relational glue to implementation and drives team cohesion. They also unpack the differences between Enablement and people-pleasing, and how to regulate Enablement without shutting it down.Topics explored in this episode: (0:52) The Complexity of Enablement* Tracy describes how her Discernment constantly informs her Enablement.* How Enablement is often misunderstood.* Enablement goes far beyond just being helpful or friendly.(4:35) Implementation, Not Just Helping* Enablement starts implementation with people, not tasks.* Teams without E often operate in silos.(9:09) Virtue Versus Genius* Enablement isn't the same as kindness—it can be self-serving in a good way.* Tracy shares why Enablement energizes her when it serves others.(13:44) Enablement in Action * Enablement plays out in both personal moments and strategic leadership.(17:21) Regulating the E* Even Geniuses need regulation—especially Enablement.* Recognizing when Discernment is needed over Enablement.Thanks to Tracy Noble for being on the show! Connect with Tracy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-noble-025b40a/ This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workingGenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify

EPISODE SUMMARY: Transitions are such an important part of life, and one of the most challenging transitions is going from peer to supervisor. In this episode, Cara Vock, Program Manager and Chapter Development at Southern Regional Children's Advocacy Center, and Christina Rouse, Program Manager for CAC Development at Southern Regional Children's Advocacy Center explore the complexities of this shift, sharing practical strategies and personal experiences to help you navigate it this career shift. From redefining relationships to establishing boundaries and building leadership skills, they offer valuable insights for anyone stepping into a supervisory role. Tune in for tips on leading effectively while maintaining trust and respect with your team. Topics in this episode: Importance of Transitions (3:17) Skill Building as a New Supervisor (8:15) Competence Confidence Impact Emotional Impact (18:50) Maintaining Relationships (28:35) Soft Skills for New Leaders (39:30) Support and Mentorship (49:50) Resources (1:00:03) GUESTS: Christina Rouse is the Program Manager for CAC Development at Southern Regional CAC. Christina is an experienced forensic interviewer, program developer, and leader. Driven by service to others and eagerness to raise the bar, she takes pride in troubleshooting solutions that elevate people and programs. During her time as a forensic interviewer, she interviewed over 2,500 children, helped coordinate and facilitate 11 MDT jurisdictions, and oversaw the daily operations of the three CAC office locations in the program. Christina's passion for collaboration and cognitive flexibility enables her to be the ultimate team player by elevating people and programs beyond their current operative levels. Outside of the CAC movement, she is the ultimate board game player, whether at a convention, on her podcast, or at home with her husband and daughter. Cara Vock is the Program Manager for Chapter Development at Southern Regional CAC. Cara is an experienced leader, advocate, and facilitator. Driven by a love for connection and innovation, Cara helps to grow, strengthen, and enhance Chapter programs across the South. During her time at CACs of Illinois, Cara implemented numerous state-wide systems to improve services to its members and their clients through data collection and analysis. She shifted efforts across the state to focus on various topics in a collaborative and cohort-style, continuous professional development framework. In July of 2023, Cara expanded her work from supporting one State Chapter to supporting 16, bringing a wealth of knowledge and enthusiasm to our SRCAC team. With a deep commitment to making a difference and building connections, Cara provides crucial support to programs across the Region. When Cara is not being caught reading and referencing “Upstream” by Dan Heath, she can be caught kayaking downstream across Illinois. RECOMMENDED RESOURCES: Leadershift: The 11 Essential Changes Every Leader Must Embrace by John C. Maxwell: https://a.co/d/7pqZPAG  Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes by William Bridges and Susan Bridges: https://a.co/d/ge0TF3N  Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts by Brene Brown: https://a.co/d/c9r2S3c  Radical Candor: https://www.radicalcandor.com  Working Genius: https://www.workinggenius.com  Southern Regional Children's Advocacy Center: https://www.srcac.org  Northeast Regional Children's Advocacy Center: https://www.nrcac.org  Regional Children's Advocacy Centers: https://www.regionalcacs.org  Looking for training and technical assistance for your Chapter, Children's Advocacy Center, or multidisciplinary team? Northeast Regional CAC provides training and assistance services to help you implement an effective, sustainable, collaborative response to child abuse. Visit NRCAC.org/request to learn more and request assistance today! Have an idea for a future Team Talk guest or topic? We want to hear from you! Click here to share your suggestions. Disclaimer: This project was sponsored by NRCAC from Grant Award Number 15PJDP-22-GK-03061-JJVO awarded by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Department of Justice. The opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Department of Justice, OJJDP or NRCAC.

Patrick Lencioni: The 6 Types of Working Genius Patrick Lencioni is founder and president of The Table Group, a firm dedicated to protecting human dignity in the world of work, personal development, and faith. Pat is the author of twelve best-selling books with over seven million copies sold. The Five Dysfunctions of a Team remains a national best-seller and he's also the author of The 6 Types of Working Genius: A Better Way to Understand Your Gifts, Your Frustrations, and Your Team. Many of us have heard the invitation from Jim Collin's book _Good to Great_ to get the right people on the bus. But once the right people are on the bus, how to do you find the right seat for each person? On this episode, Pat and I discuss how to utilize the Working Genius model to find the right work for the right team members. Key Points When addressing burnout, the type of work someone does is more significant than the volume of work. Three stages of work are present for almost every team: ideation, activation, and implementation. A cup of coffee in an excellent thermos can stay hot an entire day — that's true of us when we're aligned with our working geniuses. Finding the right work for a team member is far easier than finding the right person culturally. Before you look elsewhere, be sure they are in the right seat. To fill gaps in your team's geniuses, you can hire, borrow, or find people where competence will suffice for now. Resist the temptation to immediately jump to hiring. Resources Mentioned The 6 Types of Working Genius assessment The 6 Types of Working Genius: A Better Way to Understand Your Gifts, Your Frustrations, and Your Team by Patrick Lencioni Interview Notes Download my interview notes in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes How to Get the Ideal Team Player, with Patrick Lencioni (episode 301) How to Lead an Offsite, with Tom Henschel (episode 377) The Mindset Leaders Need to Address Burnout, with Christina Maslach(episode 609) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic. At an inflection point? Request an invitation to apply for the Coaching for Leaders Academy in September.

How can recognizing the “lowercase” application of your Working Genius improve your contributions to projects and increase your job fulfillment?In episode 90 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the distinction between “uppercase” and “lowercase” expressions of the six Working Geniuses. Joined by Matt Lencioni, they unpack how to apply your genius even when it's not the dominant need in a situation. Topics explored in this episode: (0:53) Introducing Uppercase and Lowercase Genius* Using your genius in its "uppercase" glory or a "lowercase" supportive capacity.(4:34) Applying Genius in Different Contexts* Examples of uppercase geniuses, like a "Wonder" (W) initiating a new project or an "Inventor" (I) developing a new product.* How lowercase W or I contributes to a launch meeting by wondering and inventing within the launch's context.(8:16) Self-Regulation and Team Trust* The difference between unhelpfully disruptive uppercase contributions and service-oriented lowercase ones.(12:55) Shared Language * Applying lowercase genius to prevent individuals from dominating.* How Working Genius provides a shared language for feedback, fostering trust.* Knowing one another's working geniuses allows for intentional delegation and contribution, leading to greater joy and fulfillment.A note for new listeners/viewers: In this episode, Pat and Cody dive deep into the Six Types of Working Genius, a model that helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. If you're new to our framework, perhaps consider checking out some earlier episodes of The Working Genius Podcast. Or, if you're interested, you can take The Six Types of Working Genius assessment, which is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Refresher: The initials discussed in this episode refer to: W = Wonder. I = Invention.D = Discernment.G = Galvanizing.E = Enablement.T = Tenacity.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on

Bernard Agrest: Avoiding Hard Conversations—When High-Performing Agile Teams Self-Destruct Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes. Bernard describes how a high-performing, fun-loving team began to unravel when a new member joined who wasn't delivering on their commitments. Instead of addressing the performance issue directly, team members started picking up the slack, avoiding the difficult conversation that needed to happen. As morale dropped and people checked out, Bernard realized the team was paralyzed by fear of confrontation and assumptions that raising the issue would be ignored. This experience taught him that individual performance problems quickly become whole-team problems when left unaddressed, and that strong relationships require the courage to have honest, supportive conversations. Self-reflection Question: What difficult conversation are you avoiding on your team, and what assumptions might be preventing you from addressing it? Featured Book of the Week: The 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni Bernard recommends The 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni because it helps leaders understand that everyone has specific "genius" areas in different phases of work. When people work outside their natural genius zones, they feel unfulfilled and frustrated. This framework has been invaluable for Bernard in understanding team dynamics—why some teams click naturally while others struggle. By recognizing each person's working genius, leaders can better position team members for success and create more effective, satisfied teams. [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]

Today, we're diving into a topic that I think so many of us struggle with: how do we find joy and energy in our work, especially when burnout feels all too real? My guest today has spent his career helping people unlock the key to loving what they do, and he's created a simple, yet powerful framework to make that possible. Learn more about it at https://www.workinggenius.com with code GOALDIGGER! Pat Lencioni is a best-selling author and renowned speaker, and his work has helped businesses of all sizes transform the way they think about productivity, teamwork, and leadership. His latest book introduces a model that's designed to help individuals and teams tap into their natural talents and create more fulfilling, effective work environments. But this conversation is about so much more than productivity. It's about understanding yourself, recognizing what brings you energy, and using that knowledge to not only thrive in your career but to help others do the same. Patrick is the mastermind behind the ‘Working Genius' model, and today, we'll be pulling back the curtain on this game-changing concept. Whether you're leading a team, running your own business, or just looking to find more purpose in your day-to-day, this episode is for you. Be sure to visit https://www.workingenius.com and use code GOALDIGGER at checkout to get 20% off your $25 Working Genius assessment! Goal Digger Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaldiggerpodcast/ Goal Digger Show Notes: https://www.jennakutcherblog.com/6-types-of-working-genius-with-patrick-lencioni  Thanks to our Goal Digger Sponsors: Sign up for your $1/month Shopify trial period at http://shopify.com/goaldigger.  Find a co-host today at http://airbnb.com/host.  Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit https://www.cozey.com: the home of possibilities, made easy. Move deals faster with an AI powered CRM your team will actually use. Visit https://monday.com/crm to learn more. Deposit or spend $5,000 in 90 days to earn up to $500 in rewards at ⁠mercury.com/goal⁠. Mercury is a financial technology company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust, Members FDIC. The IO Card is issued by Patriot Bank, Member FDIC, pursuant to a license from Mastercard. Working capital loans provided by Mercury Lending, LLC NMLS ID: 2606284.

What are some universal traits of successful leaders that any leader in any field can emulate? In episode 245 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson reflect on a remarkable leader they consider one of the greatest CEOs they've encountered—Tony Mazzella of Mazzella Companies. Tony's approach to leadership is rooted in humility, deep responsibility, and a relentless desire to learn, all without seeking fame or recognition. This conversation breaks down the traits that make a truly great CEO, far beyond what the public eye ever sees.Topics explored in this episode: (2:42) Humility in Action* Tony's humility is evident in how he shares credit and doesn't perform for attention.(5:50) Identity & Integrity* Tony's peace stems from knowing his identity isn't tied to performance.(8:06) Responsibility and Motive* Tony makes tough calls because he cares deeply for people; there's no entitlement—just ownership of his role.(10:28) Curiosity & Continued Growth* Tony proactively pursued his Working Genius certification.(13:41) Organizational Health * True heroes of organizational health are the leaders who consistently put in the hard work of implementation.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.

On this episode of Currently Reading, Kaytee and Meredith are discussing: Bookish Moments: reading at the beach and sisterly bookish tattoos Current Reads: all the great, interesting, and/or terrible stuff we've been reading lately Deep Dive: all the ins and outs of morning reading The Fountain: we visit our perfect fountain to make wishes about our reading lives Show notes are time-stamped below for your convenience. Read the transcript of the episode (this link only works on the main site) .  .  .  .  4:12 - Our Bookish Moments Of The Week 4:35 - God of the Woods by Liz Moore 5:23 - Prodigal Summer by Barbara Kingsolver 6:31 - Literally A Bookshop 1:37 - Our Bookish Moments Of The Week 7:02 - Braving the Wilderness by Brene Brown 9:45 - Our Current Reads 10:03 - Ascension by Nicholas Binge (Meredith) 13:55 - Dark Matter by Blake Crouch 13:56 - Recursion by Blake Crouch 14:06 - The Anomaly by Herve Le Tellier 15:20 - Love and Saffron by Kim Fay 15:38 - Great Big Beautiful Life by Emily Henry (Kaytee) 17:44 - The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkins Reid 17:48 - The Thirteenth Tale by Diane Setterfield  19:49 - Hearts Strange and Dreadful by Tim McGregor (Meredith) 20:59 - 101 Horror Books to Read Before You're Murdered by Sadie Hartmann 26:11 - Stolen Focus by Johann Hari (Kaytee) 26:14 - The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt 26:17 - CR Season 7: Episode 40 31:40 - The Correspondent by Virginia Evans (Meredith) 37:20 - Amari and the Despicable Wonders by B.B. Alston (Kaytee) 41:58 - All About Morning Reading 43:25 - The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron 50:48 - Jobs to be Done by David Farber 50:59 - The Six Types of Working Genius by Patrick Lencioni 55:30 - Meet Us At The Fountain 57:38 - If you are interested in adding to your bookish life, do it in the form of a book club. (Meredith) 59:34 - I co-sign Meredith's wish this week! (Kaytee) Support Us: Become a Bookish Friend | Grab Some Merch Shop Bookshop dot org | Shop Amazon Bookish Friends Receive: The Indie Press List with a curated list of five books hand sold by the indie of the month. June's IPL is brought to us by one of our anchor stores, Schuler Books in Michigan Love and Chili Peppers with Kaytee and Rebekah - romance lovers get their due with this special episode focused entirely on the best selling genre fiction in the business.  All Things Murderful with Meredith and Elizabeth - special content for the scary-lovers, brought to you with the behind-the-scenes insights of an independent bookseller From the Editor's Desk with Kaytee and Bunmi Ishola - a quarterly peek behind the curtain at the publishing industry The Bookish Friends Facebook Group - where you can build community with bookish friends from around the globe as well as our hosts Connect With Us: The Show: Instagram | Website | Email | Threads The Hosts and Regulars: Meredith | Kaytee | Mary | Roxanna Production and Editing: Megan Phouthavong Evans Affiliate Disclosure: All affiliate links go to Bookshop unless otherwise noted. Shopping here helps keep the lights on and benefits indie bookstores. Thanks for your support!

What Helped Me Trust My Team, Protect My Energy, and Step Into True Leadership I'll be honest—this conversation with Patrick Lencioni shook me (in the best way). If you've ever felt like running your business is way harder than it should be, or like you're carrying the weight of every single task on your back, this episode is going to be a game changer. Patrick introduces his powerful framework called the Six Types of Working Genius. It helped me understand why certain parts of my business drain me, and why trying to be “good at everything” was actually slowing me down. In this episode, we explore how to build a team that complements your strengths, how to identify the work that energizes you, and why letting go doesn't mean losing control—it means finally creating the business you thought you were building all along. If you're tired of feeling stretched thin, second-guessing your hires, or silently resenting tasks that suck the life out of you, this one's for you. HERE ARE THE 3 KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE: 1️⃣ Your Genius Isn't What You're Good At—It's What Energizes You – Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Patrick explains how working in your genius fuels your joy, while living in your “competency” or “frustration” zones can quickly burn you out. 2️⃣ You Weren't Meant to Do It All—And That's Not a Flaw, It's the Fix – We dive into how trying to wear every hat as your business grows actually holds you back. The magic starts when you let your team do what they do best so you can lead from where you thrive. 3️⃣ Self-Awareness Is the Shortcut to Better Hires, Better Systems & Better Leadership – This framework isn't another personality quiz like Enneagram or Myers Briggs. It's a strategic tool that helps you make smarter hires, build a team that fits, and finally stop micromanaging things that were never yours to own. RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Take the Working Genius Assessment: workinggenius.com Get your copy of The 6 Types of Working Genius: The Working Genius Book  Get your copy of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team: The Five Dysfunctions Book MORE FROM PATRICK Learn more about Patrick tablegroup.com/pat  Follow Patrick on LinkedIn @patrick-lencioni MORE FROM ME Follow me on Instagram @amyporterfield SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps us reach more entrepreneurs who need these insights.

How often do you assume someone's behavior is a flaw in their character instead of a feature of their genius?In episode 89 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson unpack the “Fundamental Attribution Error” and how it damages relationships at work and at home. They explain how people often misjudge each other's actions as flaws rather than features of their unique Working Genius. By walking through all six Geniuses, the hosts show how greater understanding can lead to less guilt, less judgment, and better collaboration.Topics explored in this episode: (0:35) Understanding the Attribution Trap* The fundamental attribution error leads us to blame others' character while excusing our own behavior.* Working Genius helps reframe annoying behaviors as strengths expressed out of context.(5:35) Wonder and Invention* Wonderers can be misjudged as unfocused, skeptical, or afraid to commit due to their questioning nature.* Inventors might be seen as flaky, ego-driven, undisciplined, or impatient due to their constant flow of new ideas.(12:38) Discernment and Galvanizing* Discerners are often misjudged as overly judgmental due to their evaluative nature.* Galvanizers can be perceived as overly enthusiastic, insincere, or bossy.(21:26) Enablement and Tenacity* People with enablement might be seen as unwilling to say no or even dishonest due to their eagerness to help and affirm.* People with tenacity can be unfairly seen as unsympathetic or afraid to fail because of their focus on finishing tasks.This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (

How can your understanding of Myers-Briggs add to your Working Genius? In episode 88 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody dive into the relationship between Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) and the Six Types of Working Genius. They explore how MBTI describes who you are (the noun), while Working Genius describes what you do best (the verb). Through examples and insights, they show how combining both tools can improve self-awareness, team collaboration, and career decisions.Topics explored in this episode: (00:40) Nouns vs. Verbs: The Core Difference* MBTI describes your personality preferences—the "noun" of who you are.* Working Genius identifies the activities you love—the "verb" of what you do.(04:30) A Crash Course in MBTI* The four MBTI dimensions: E/I, N/S, T/F, and J/P.* How these traits affect decision-making and communication.(7:31) No Overlap, But Total Alignment* Working Genius and MBTI have no direct correlation—and that's a strength.* Personal anecdotes show how people with the same MBTI have different Working Geniuses.* The pairing of both tools unlocks richer insight into how someone works and thrives.(18:59) Real Examples* Stories from The Table Group that contrast MBTI and Working Genius. .(24:46) Advanced Nuance and Practical Use* The concept of a "secondary MBTI type."This episode of The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. The Six Types of Working Genius model helps you discover your natural gifts and thrive in your work and life. When you're able to better understand the types of work that bring you more energy and fulfillment and avoid work that leads to frustration and failure, you can be more self-aware, more productive, and more successful. The Six Types of Working Genius assessment is the fastest and simplest way to discover your natural gifts and thrive at work: https://www.workinggenius.com/about/assessment Subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial. Connect with Cody Thompson https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-thompson-a5918850. Be sure to check out our other podcast, At The Table with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (

Key Topics DiscussedThe Current Challenges Facing Teens:60% of today's students will work in jobs that don't exist yetSocial media pressure and public identity formationCollege costs forcing earlier career decisionsRecord levels of anxiety and depression among young peopleThe Three-Part Framework:Identity Discovery - Using tools like Working Genius to help teens understand their God-given strengthsRedemptive Imagination - Exposing kids to diverse entrepreneurial stories and possibilitiesConversation Starters - Creating opportunities for meaningful dialogue about faith, work, and purposeAI and the Future of Work:How machine learning is automating predictable tasksWhy creativity, curiosity, and question-asking will be essential skillsThe shift from needing specific degrees to developing entrepreneurial mindsetsFeatured Stories and ExamplesLecrae's journey as both artist and business creatorPhil Vischer's VeggieTales story of failure and redemptionDude Perfect's entrepreneurial successPersonal stories of kids engaging with entrepreneurial contentPractical ApplicationsHow families can use the course for summer activitiesWays schools and churches can implement the curriculumThe importance of adults calling out gifts in young peopleCreating environments that foster entrepreneurial thinkingKey Quotes"Curiosity is a superpower""The only time you have to be good at everything is at this point in their life""Change starts with us and change starts at home"