Podcast appearances and mentions of genesis one

Today Dr. Will Ryan and Dr. Matt talk with Dr. John Walton about his new book which expands on The Lost World of Genesis and The Lost World of Adam and Eve. Buy the Book: https://a.co/d/dnA0ylPDescription:Updating and expanding upon his previous work on origins, this riveting volume from John H. Walton marks the eighth entry in his bestselling Lost World Series, which has sold more than 125,000 copies.For over a decade, John Walton's books The Lost World of Genesis One and The Lost World of Adam and Eve have shaped readers' understanding of the ancient Near Eastern world and its implications for modern scientific origins debates. But more than simply engaging the creation/evolution debate, these works explored questions related to interpretation of Genesis through ancient eyes, the theological purpose of a seven-day creation account, the historicity of Adam and Eve, and the history of interpretation of the creative narratives.In New Explorations in the Lost World of Genesis, Walton provides comprehensive and timely updates on the latest developments and research, including:a summary of positions addressed in his previous books on originsnew insights, clarifications, and illustrations based on current scholarshipanswers to frequently asked questionsEngaging the latest scholarship as well as questions that his proponents and critics alike have raised, New Explorations in the Lost World of Genesis provides a relevant update that will benefit students, professors, and pastors as they continue to explore questions of origins and their implications for the Christian life

The "gap theory" suggests a time gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 to accommodate evolutionary timescales and fossil records, but this theory is not supported by the original Hebrew or biblical doctrine. The Bible clearly teaches that death came into the world through Adam's sin, not before. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/1232/29

Dr. John H. Walton sits down with the Burros to discuss his work on the Old Testament and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures. Dr. Walton is an emeritus professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College in Illinois and an editor and writer of Old Testament comparative studies and commentaries. Throughout his research, Walton has focused his attention on comparing the culture and literature of the Bible and the ancient Near East. He has published over thirty books, dozens of articles and translations, both as writer and editor, including his book, The Lost World of Genesis One.Below is a link to his Amazon books page where you can find all of his works: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IGOV8CIf you'd like to support this podcast, please visit: www.patreon.com/theburrosofbereaIf you'd like to learn more about us, please visit our website at: www.burrosofberea.comThanks for listening!

*Top 10 List: Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney review their list of the top 10 things people still believe, that science has proven wrong. #10: Vestigial Organs -  The most popular one growing up was the appendix, remember? Until this (from PubMed in 2016). And don't forget tonsils!  #9: GPS won't work without Einsteinian relativity. It will, and does. #8: Junk DNA - There's no such thing! We're only beginning to comprehend DNA. And to have ever assumed any of it was junk was foolishness! #7: Lucy is a Human Ancestor - Poppycock! #6: Plate Tectonics - The fourth-biggest-dumbest theory going, (after Darwinian Evolution, the Big Bang, and Einsteinian Relativity). #5: Dangerous Anthropogenic Climate Change - Fifth biggest-dumbest... #4: Darwin's Tree of Life - That dog don't hunt, and lies like a rug! #3: The Big Bang: See #'s 4 & 5, the James Webb Space Telescope, and our favorite! Genesis One. #2: Evolution: Ha! Yeah.... right! (Also, see Genesis One again). Neo-Darwinism is so laughably preposterous even foolish atheists like Jimmy Shapiro are beginning to re-evaluate the emperor's outfit.  #1: Dinosaurs lived and went extinct millions of years ago. We've long had solid evidence that man and dinosaurs lived together, from cliff and cave drawings to the tomb of Richard Bell, to Chinese calendars... and of course all that dinosaur soft tissue in all those fossils!

*Top 10 List: Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney review their list of the top 10 things people still believe, that science has proven wrong. #10: Vestigial Organs -  The most popular one growing up was the appendix, remember? Until this (from PubMed in 2016). And don't forget tonsils!  #9: GPS won't work without Einsteinian relativity. It will, and does. #8: Junk DNA - There's no such thing! We're only beginning to comprehend DNA. And to have ever assumed any of it was junk was foolishness! #7: Lucy is a Human Ancestor - Poppycock! #6: Plate Tectonics - The fourth-biggest-dumbest theory going, (after Darwinian Evolution, the Big Bang, and Einsteinian Relativity). #5: Dangerous Anthropogenic Climate Change - Fifth biggest-dumbest... #4: Darwin's Tree of Life - That dog don't hunt, and lies like a rug! #3: The Big Bang: See #'s 4 & 5, the James Webb Space Telescope, and our favorite! Genesis One. #2: Evolution: Ha! Yeah.... right! (Also, see Genesis One again). Neo-Darwinism is so laughably preposterous even foolish atheists like Jimmy Shapiro are beginning to re-evaluate the emperor's outfit.  #1: Dinosaurs lived and went extinct millions of years ago. We've long had solid evidence that man and dinosaurs lived together, from cliff and cave drawings to the tomb of Richard Bell, to Chinese calendars... and of course all that dinosaur soft tissue in all those fossils!

In this conversation, we discuss Dr. Walton's influential book, "The Lost World of Genesis One." In the book, he argues that Genesis 1, read in its Ancient Near Eastern Context, is not about material origins (how did everyone come to exist from nothing?) but functional origins. Genesis 1 is the story of God's ordering of creation as his temple where, on the seventh day, God comes to rest. Check out all of our content at thinkingtheologically.org Also, check out Dr. Walton's updated edition of the book, "New Exploration in the Lost World of Genesis" coming out April 15.

Genesis | One nation united against God Sunday, October 20, 2024 Jordan Weeks Genesis 11 Unity is a good thing if the aim is something that honours the Creator. But the unity of humanity found in Genesis 11 is one of further rebellion against their Maker in order to prove how capable they are as a species. 

On Sunday we looked at Genesis 1:1 and talked about the idea of "beginning". Our main focus was on how Genesis was written for Israel and thus our modern questions often aren't being addressed by the text.I referenced "The Lost World of Genesis One" by John Walton, which I have found to be incredibly helpful in thinking through this theme. -Sermon from 09/15/2024

Here is the second part of my conversation with John Walton on how order not sin frames the book of Genesis – including the Fall. In this talk John gets more specific about the order spectrum of order, non-order and disorder. ‘Sin' is obviously an important word, and central to the Christian doctrine. But it is also a loaded word, and one that works like a sinkhole to suck in streams of meaning – some of which may not be helpful. It is not just an intellectual word, but an existential one because it so easily tugs into deep feelings of guilt and unworthiness that plague many people – indeed all of us from time to time if we are honest.  That is why being as ‘biblical' as possible to get behind the word into the conceptual frames that inform it, is so important. And John's talks here are among the most helpful ‘paradigm shifters' that I know.  I wrote an article some years ago on ‘sin' and what I thought about it. I might change some of the thinking now – and I wrote it before I had the benefit of this talk with John. Nonetheless I think it is worth posting it on our website so we will do that soon after this talk. If you want to dive more in some of John's thinking, a good place to start is his book on Genesis called “The Lost World of Genesis One”.   Of course you can also dive into more of John talks on our website. John gave a wonderful series on Genesis and also Deuteronomy in 2013.  Both are worth listening to, but here is a link to his first talk on Genesis 1 –  “The Cosmos as God's House”.  So if you integrate the ‘order' series with his “God's house” you get a powerful mandate for our jobs on the earth: bring order to God's house and make it a ‘home' not just a ‘house' (John's words not mine).  https://www.gospelconversations.com/series/genesis-the-cosmos-as-gods-house

Dr. John Walton is a distinguished Old Testament scholar with extensive expertise in the Book of Job, having published a comprehensive commentary in 2014 and co-authored "How to Read Job" with Tremper Longman. Walton's perspective on Job emphasizes the text as a thought experiment rather than a historical account, focusing on the profound dialogue between Job and God. He underscores the limitations of human understanding and the complexity of divine justice, which transcend the simplistic retribution principle. Through his teachings and lectures worldwide, Dr. Walton illuminates the nuanced perspectives within the narrative, including the unique stance of the character Elihu, thereby enriching the global discourse on faith, suffering, and divine justice. 00:03:23 Contemplating God's Wisdom in Job 00:08:24 Debate on Divine Justice in Job 00:11:39 Suffering and Faith in the Book 00:11:55 Faith and Commitment in Serving God 00:14:25 Trusting God's Wisdom in Suffering Journeys 00:20:52 Embracing God's Wisdom in Times of Suffering 00:36:19 Lessons in Standing Strong and Surrendering 00:45:52 Redeemer's Role in Job's Innocence Vindication 00:51:16 Elihu's Innovative Interpretation of Retribution About the Guest: John H. Walton (Ph.D. Hebrew Union College) is Professor of Old Testament Emeritus at Wheaton College and Graduate School where he taught for twenty-two years. Dr. Walton has authored or edited over 50 books, among them commentaries, reference works, textbooks, scholarly monographs, and popular academic works. He was the Old Testament general editor for the Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible (NIV, NKJV, NRSV), and is perhaps most widely known for the “Lost World” books (including The Lost World of Genesis One, The Lost World of Adam and Eve, and The Lost World of the Prophets). His areas of expertise include the importance of the ancient Near East for interpreting the Old Testament as well as the dialogue between science and faith. He is currently publishing a two-volume commentary on the book of Daniel. #ViewOfGodInSuffering #DivineWisdom For more details about books, see his webpage at https://www.wheaton.edu/academics/faculty/john-walton/ Extra Readings Wisdom for Faithful Reading: Principles and Practices for Old Testament Interpretation: https://amzn.to/4e91MZW Book of Job (30 Audio Lectures): https://archive.org/details/book-of-job-lecture-22-dr.-john-walton How to Read Job: https://amzn.to/459IRKy Wisdom for Faithful Reading: https://amzn.to/3VbYoot The Lost World of the Prophets: https://amzn.to/3x5Go7m --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/biblically-speaking-cb/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/biblically-speaking-cb/support

Genesis 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light, and there was light.

Let's read Genesis through the eyes of the original receivers. Was it new? Was it similar to common lore? Was it alien to them? Dr. Walton offers insights that flip your prior, surface level understanding of Genesis, and the Bible as a whole, upside-down. About the Guest: John H. Walton (Ph.D. Hebrew Union College) is Professor of Old Testament Emeritus at Wheaton College and Graduate School where he taught for twenty-two years. Dr. Walton has authored or edited over 50 books, among them commentaries, reference works, textbooks, scholarly monographs, and popular academic works. He was the Old Testament general editor for the Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible (NIV, NKJV, NRSV), and is perhaps most widely known for the “Lost World” books (including The Lost World of Genesis One, The Lost World of Adam and Eve, and The Lost World of the Prophets). His areas of expertise include the importance of the ancient Near East for interpreting the Old Testament as well as the dialogue between science and faith. He is currently publishing a two-volume commentary on the book of Daniel. For more details about books, see his webpage at https://www.wheaton.edu/academics/faculty/john-walton/ Extra Readings Wisdom for Faithful Reading: Principles and Practices for Old Testament Interpretation: https://amzn.to/4cP8F27NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible: https://www.christianbook.com/niv-cultural-backgrounds-bonded-leather-black/9780310431596/pd/431596?en=bing-pla&event=SHOP&kw=bibles-40-60%7C431596&p=1179517&dv=c&snav=BGMERCH&cb_src=bing&cb_typ=shopping&cb_cmp=328354103&cb_adg=1231453117878838&cb_kyw=default&msclkid=493639f71c82121dcc7a5ff1760a43e1&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20Bibles&utm_term=4580565457057518&utm_content=s-all%20bibles --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/biblically-speaking-cb/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/biblically-speaking-cb/support

A supplemental podcast to our series "Science and Faith." Resources: “Creation, Evolution, and Christian Laypeople” by Tim Keller (2012)The Language of God by Francis Collins (2007)I Love Jesus and I Accept Evolution by Denis Lamoureux (2009)The Evolution of Adam by Peter Enns (2021)The Lost World of Genesis One by John Walton (2009)The Lost World of Adam and Eve by John Walton (2015)

Do you ever wish we could get back to Eden? Every day we create. Whether it's creating language, ideas, tools, relationships, the list goes on. But tied to this incredible blessing to create freely comes the responsibility to create that which is true, good, and beautiful. Today's passionate guest, Jessica Shakir, founder of the Beautiful Mind Academy, brings us back to Genesis One, Two, and Three for this deep dive into what it means, as imago Dei, to be co-creators with the Creator. How are you using your God-given calling to creativity? Every single person is creative. Join us as we consider how God's nature and Kingdom can be reflected through you and your intentional creativity.View the transcript, leave comments, and check out recommended resources on the Episode Landing Page!Disciple Nations Alliance Website

MERCY IS OUR NEW CURRENCY-MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGMENT   I've got a question for you today. Why is it that a majority of the church seems to be so anxious for us to get out of here and go to heaven? When challenges come and bad things happen, outcomes the dusty sermons on the end of the EarthEarth, the coming of the lord, and the rapture. It's starting to pop up on the Internet again; prominent speakers in the nation are predicting the end of time and the church. They revive all the text proofs that have convinced them that there's no hope for us, so let's leave quickly. One of the advantages of hanging around for a while, as I have, is to witness this cycle many times in the last several decades. The antichrist has come and gone dozens of times since I was a kid. Yet here we are still, planting seeds and harvesting men and women with the gospel of Christ. What did David do when he showed up at the battlefield when Goliath had Israel hiding in caves? Did he say all is lost? Let's give up and die. No, he did not. He reminded Goliath who his God was and what he would do with him. Then he ran toward the problem, not away from it. The two great commands God gave to his creation, men and women, are that they become dominant and forceful, multiply themselves, and reflect heaven on Earth. Genesis One describes the kind of man and woman that God was creating. Mark 16 directs those men and women on how to deal with their future through the power of Christ. Nowhere in those two commands is a provision to run for your life because we have no hope. Now is the time to speak Mercy into the situation that we are in because Mercy always triumphs over judgment.   WEBSITE= http://www.georgewatkinsministries.co...   FACEBOOK=https://www.facebook.com/FaithProduce...   Faith Producers address: PO Bx 1006 Mt Vernon, WA 98273   FAITH PRODUCES AN INTERNATIONAL PODCAST https://faithproducers.podbean.com/   You can 'WALK' with George Watkins daily @ youtube.com/faithproducers  faithproducers.com twitter.com/faithproducers facebook.com/faithporducerstv   faithproducers.com   faithproducers@gmail.com

DARKNESS IS NOT A FORCE-IT'S THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT   Do a simple experiment with me. Go into a dark room and find the light switch. Now, Flip the switch and listen closely. Did you hear any resistance, any voices saying I am not leaving this time? No, you didn't. Because darkness is not a force, it's just the absence of light. Light has always been the dominant force since God pronounced it with his very voice. He said in Genesis One let light be, and light has been the dominant force ever since. Matthew's fourth chapter tells us that those who sat in darkness saw a great light when Jesus came into the world. Light constantly expels darkness. It's not unusual to hear teachers and authors magnifying the power of the devil and darkness to the degree that it overcomes light. Despite how the teacher and author intended that result, it still affects those who take it in. The record of Jesus's death and resurrection is well-established. The testimony of why he came to this earth to deal with death, sin, and separation from God is clear. He overcame death, hell, and the grave. That includes the power of darkness, which was done away with when he took the authority away from Satan. The only reason that darkness becomes a superpower in anyone's life is because of blindness to the reality of who you and I are because of what Christ did at his death, resurrection, and ascension to the Father. That does not change when circumstances in our life look dark or fearful. There is no change in God's opinion of you when you fail or fall in your journey. The only reason that may affect you is that you become blind to the fact that you have been redeemed and are a son of God.  That's what the light of God is; it has illuminated that you have been brought back to your genesis, the beginning of your life, which is found in God. The scriptures tell us that we have light, and we are to let it shine so those around us may see the glory of God.  All light originated in the Father; we are his extension to this earth.   YOU CAN GIVE HERE: http://www.georgewatkinsministries.co...   WEBSITE= http://www.georgewatkinsministries.co...   FACEBOOK=https://www.facebook.com/FaithProduce...   Faith Producers address: PO Bx 1006 Mt Vernon, WA 98273   FAITH PRODUCES AN INTERNATIONAL PODCAST https://faithproducers.podbean.com/   You can 'WALK' with George Watkins daily @ youtube.com/faithproducers  faithproducers.com twitter.com/faithproducers facebook.com/faithporducerstv   faithproducers.com   faithproducers@gmail.com

In this episode, it is also an episode of What Your Pastor Didn't Tell You in which Zach Miller had Evan Minton on as a guest. Miller and Minton respond to David Tsumura's criticism of The Functional Origins/Temple Inaguration view of Genesis 1 as defended in books such as John Walton's “The Lost World Of Genesis One” and “Genesis 1 As Ancient Cosmology”.  If you'd like to see the video of this episode, click here —> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Twp-gXDmY&t=3s Click here to visit Zach Miller's channel. —> https://www.youtube.com/@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/evan-minton/support

After summarizing the Orthodox approach to scripture, Fr. Anthony begins a verse by verse examination of Genesis One.  We made it up to "Image and Likeness!" Review. We have to read texts according to their purpose and scope. The purpose of the Bible is to describe the economy of our salvation (i.e. mankind's sin, Christ/Messiah as our savior). The Bible is inspired; God spoke through prophets and scribes who automatically presented His revelations in their own language, with their own symbols, and in a way that their immediate audiences would understand. Our worldview (our language, symbols, and stories) is very different from those of the prophets, scribes, and their immediate audience; mirror-imaging can lead to incorrect understandings of the Bible, God, and His plan for us. Useful Materials Bouteneff, Peter C.. Beginnings: Ancient Christian Readings of the Biblical Creation Narratives. Louth, A., & Conti, M. (Eds.). Genesis 1–11 (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Series). Walton, J. H. (2009). The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate. Genesis One (read the first four days using Septuagint and Hebrew translations; pause to make points). 1. In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void [Tohu wa bohu]; and darkness was on the face of the deep. 2. And the Spirit of God [!] was hovering over the face of the waters [where did they come from?] 3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light [!]. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day [?], and the darkness He called Night [?]. So the evening and the morning were the first day [liturgical time!]. 6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven [use of ancient cosmology does not need to be explained away or excused; the explanation is functional, not astronomical/geographical!] . So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.[imagery of the Nile – agricultural, miraculous, dependable] 11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind [we'll explore this “according to its kind later; order is important in the temple!], whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night [why the ambigious language? De-divinization of creation!]. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Some Observations Although there are similarities with the creation myths of surrounding nations, the contrasts are stark; the Hebrews are given a new way of understand God and the world. E.g. The Enuma Elish (Babylon, at least 7th century BC) has Marduk overcoming chaos (personified in Tiamat); he then creates the heaven and earth by splitting her. In the Genesis creation account, creation is demythologized (e.g. deep/chaos, sun, stars). These sorts of things show up later, but the creation account is kept pristine so as to make the distinction between Creator and creation clear. There is a pattern (7 days, 7 “it was good's”; things are “according to their kind”) that speaks not just to poetry, but to liturgical use. Speaking of liturgy, note that evening is the beginning of the day (as with Vespers). You can imagine this being chanted/sung the way we do Psalm 103 at Vespers (creation!). Creation is spoken into being. See also the Gospel of John 1 (“In the beginning was the Word…”) and Amos 8 (fear a famine of the Word). Also see C.S. Lewis The Magician's Nephew. We know that creation is ex nihilo (from nothing), but that is not necessarily being asserted here (although many say it is). This is not a description of a factory of creation (i.e. the “how” of creation), but a functional creation (purpose and meaning). Some Examples of the Functional Creation Day One: The creation of time. Day Two: Room for people to live. Weather. Day Three: Production of food. Some Commentary: St. Augustine, One the Literal Interpretation of Genesis 3:10. Scripture called heaven and earth that formless matter of the universe, which was changed into formed and beautiful natures by God's ineffable command.… This heaven and earth, which were confused and mixed up, were suited to receive forms from God their maker. Basil the Great; Hexaemeron 1.5. It appears, indeed, that even before this world an order of things existed of which our mind can form an idea but of which we can say nothing, because it is too lofty a subject for men who are but beginners and are still babes in knowledge. The birth of the world was preceded by a condition of things suitable for the exercise of supernatural powers, outstripping the limits of time, eternal and infinite. The Creator and Demiurge of the universe perfected his works in it, spiritual light for the happiness of all who love the Lord, intellectual and invisible natures, all the orderly arrangement of pure intelligences who are beyond the reach of our mind and of whom we cannot even discover the names. Rev. Dr. John Polkinghorne (excerpted from On Being) I mean, this is an extraordinary thing, Genesis 1 … things don't quite come in the right order. I mean, it's striking that it begins with energy for light, “Let there be light.” It's striking that life starts in the waters and moves onto the land. But of course … the sun and moon and stars only come on the fourth day. And of course, there wouldn't be any life without the stars, because that's where they make the raw material for life. So that isn't right. And we believe that one of the reasons, we believe in theology, one of the reasons why the sun, moon and stars come downstream, so to speak, is that the writer is wanting to say the sun and the moon aren't deities. They're not to be worshipped…. They are creatures just like everything else. And that shows us that what we're reading is a theologically oriented thing and not a scientifically oriented thing. I mean, you have to figure out, when you read something and you want to read it respectfully, you have to figure out what it is you're reading. Is it poetry or is it prose? If you read poetry and think it's prose, you will make the most astonishing mistakes. [And Genesis 1…] is much more like a poem than like prose. And that's, in a sense, the sadness of the “creationist” so-called position, that these people who are really wanting to be respectful to scripture are, I think, ironically, being disrespectful, because they're not using it in the right way. Walton, J. H. (pp. 49–50). The creation account in Genesis 1 can then be seen to begin with no functions rather than with no material. At this point, however, it is important to establish what we mean when we talk of functions… In the ancient world, function was not the result of material properties, but the result of purpose. The sun looks down on all and is associated with the god of justice. It functions as a marker for time and seasons. When the ancient texts talk about how something functions in an ordered system, the system under discussion is not a cosmic or ecological system. It is a system inhabited by beings…In the Old Testament God has no needs and focuses functionality around people. We will see increasing evidence of this understanding as we move through the remainder of Genesis 1. Consequently, functionality cannot exist without people in the picture. In Genesis people are not put in place until day six, but functionality is established with their needs and situation in mind. Major Points for Discussion Who is God (i.e. what does “Elohim” mean?).  Elohim is a plural noun that can either describe beings from the/a spiritual realm (e.g. gods, angels, maybe even ghosts) or the One Uncreated God (it's obvious which one it is by grammatical context). What does “according to its kind” mean?  It is not an attack on science.  Here's a gem of a quote from St. Augustine's tract against Felix the Manichean (quoted here); In the Gospel we do not read that the Lord said: I send you the Holy Spirit so that He might teach you all about the course of the sun and the moon. The Lord wanted to make Christians, not astronomers. You learn at school all the useful things you need to know about nature. It is true that Christ said that the Holy Spirit will come to lead us into all truth, but He is not speaking there about the course of the sun and the moon. If you think that knowledge about these things belongs to the truth that Christ promised through the Holy Spirit, then I ask you: how many stars are there? I say that such things do not belong to Christian teaching…whereas you affirm that this teaching includes knowledge about how the world was made and what takes place in the world.  The point being made is that 1) there is an order to creation that is logical (and created through the Logos!) and 2) the multitude of creation reflects God's glory and purpose.  God led the Hebrews to make seeing things “according to their kind a virtuous instinct.  What do we lose when we don't? Who is God talking to when He says “Let US make man…”?  Different explanations.  Could be the “Royal We” (not likely).  Could be the Heavenly Hosts (i.e. the Divine Council).  The main explanation (because we read in the light of Christ) is the Trinity. What is “The Image of God”?  Lots of good answers (ask for some).  At the very least, it means that we re-present God in creation (just as Christ does as the New Adam; “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Colossians 1:15). What is the “Likeness of God”?  Again, many good answers.  The usual one is that it is His purity and holiness (theosis).  This is something we have to grow into (more on that once we talk more about mankind). Enjoy the show!

Back in 2022, Evan Minton was on Zach Miller's podcast "What Your Pastor Didn't Tell You". In this episode, they responded to criticisms of the interpretation of Genesis 1 defended by John Walton in books like "The Lost World Of Genesis One" and "Genesis 1 As Ancient Cosmology". To see more of Zach Miller's podcast, visit the following URLs for the podcast in its video and audio only formats respectively. https://www.youtube.com/@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou https://open.spotify.com/show/2YZOl3T8gyCYZiNqYuwZOy --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/evan-minton/support

John Walton is an Old Testament scholar and Professor at Wheaton College. He has authored or contributed to over a dozen books and specializes in the Ancient Near Eastern backgrounds of the Old Testament, especially Genesis and its creation account. It was an incredible opportunity to interview Dr. Walton and I hope this episode helps you'all understand Genesis better. I am on instagram @itsthevalk Grateful for you all. Jake.

Episode 82 - John H. Walton - Q & RAug 5, 2023 - Host: Dr. Gregory HallIn this episode I welcome Dr. John H. Walton to the podcast to answer several questions posed by members of "The John H. Walton Discussion Group" on Facebook.Dr. Walton is a scholar and was, until just recently, a professor. He recently retired from his position as professor of Old Testament and coordinator of the Masters of Biblical Exegesis at Wheaton College in Illinois. Before Wheaton He taught at Moody Bible Institute for 20 years. He specializes in the Ancient Near Eastern backgrounds of the Old Testament. Throughout his research, Walton has focused his attention on comparing the culture and literature of the Bible and the ancient Near East. He has published dozens of books, articles and translations, both as writer and editor, including his popular book, The Lost World of Genesis One.The questions include the following topics (with time stamps) - and contributors1. The weight of an unladen swallow. (10:38) - Colby Hammer2. How to apply ancient Jewish and Platonic thinking to modern interpretations. (11:44 ) - Hashim Warren3. Should we interpret Jacobs "heel grab" back into Genesis 3:15? (15:43) - Hector Grijalva3. Understanding the "pain" and "toil" caused by the fall. (19:45) - Luis Barceló4. How we should understand the events of the conquering of Jericho. (22:30 ) - Joel Montes5. The role of the Torah's "wisdom" in OT, how that changed in the NT, and modern implications. (27:27) - Steve Bell6. The OT tithe and if it's required today. (29:57) - Paul Robinson7. Material origins of creation vs. Phenomenological Origins. (33:06) - Vernon Goodman8. Critiques of the "Demons and Spirits in Biblical Theology" book. Whether demons and spirits exist, and if so, how should we understand the Bible's descriptions in both the OT and NT. (3 questions) (36:30) - Jeremy Smith9. Why God created dinosaurs.(46:44) - Frank Fleming10. "Kelly's story" from the NIV Application Commentary on Job. (49:11) - Buddy CoffeyResources Referenced and/or Read:Hall, Gregory D. "Rethinking Rest; Why Our Approach to Sabbath Isn't Working." Deep River Books, Sisters, OR, 2023.2024 Israel Trip Information - https://rethinkingscripture.com/israel-2024/Thomas J. Farrar published a review in “Journal of Theological Studies" published by Oxford University Press.” Here is the authors original version of that review: https://www.academia.edu/45148436/Review_of_Demons_and_Spirits_in_Biblical_Theology_Reading_the_Biblical_Text_in_Its_Cultural_and_Literary_Context_by_John_H_Walton_and_J_Harvey_Walton)Dr. Michael Heiser's Podcast Critique of the Demons and Spirits book: https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/podcast/naked-bible-430-john-walton-on-demons-and-spirits/ The YouTube interview with Dr. John H. Walton is available here: https://youtu.be/FaRhASBLmv0  Recent Podcasts where Gregory Hall has been Interviewed:You can track all my guest interviews on my page: https://rethinkingscripture.com/guest-appearances/ Show Music:Intro/Outro - "Wedding Song" by Jacob A. HallOther Covers of the songBlind Melon made a cover of the song, which appeared in track 3 of Schoolhouse Rock! Rocks.The song was covered, with rewritten lyrics, by Greg Raposo, Matthew Ballinger, and Stevie Brock to promote Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers. Their cover appears on the original release of the film's soundtrack, while a music video appears on the film's original DVD release.The album version is slightly longer than the TV version, because it has an extra verse explaining the pattern of each set of ten containing three multiples of three. It was also used in the original 1971 broadcast in the form of a carnival duck shooting game. This scene was never rebroadcast or available on home media or streaming sites.Podcast Website:The All-America Listener Challenge Updates: https://rethinkingscripture.comMy Podcast Studio... The Upper Room: https://rethinkingscripture.com/podcast-episodes/More information about The Homes and Help Initiative: https://rethinkingscripture.com/homes-help-initiative/Sister site: RethinkingRest.comRethinking Rest... the Book: now available wherever you buy your books! Kindle version available.More information: https://rethinkingrest.com/the-book/Social Media:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RethinkingScripture Twitter: @RethinkingStuffInstagram: Rethinking_ScriptureYouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6YCLg2UldJiA0dsg0KkvLATikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rethinkingscripturePowered and distributed by Simplecast.

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What does it mean that humans are “made in the image of God?” Many have proposed that this means humans possess consciousness, rational thought, a spirit, among other things. While none of these are necessarily incorrect, do they help us in understanding what Genesis One wants to communicate? Join us this Sunday as we explore how the image of God, as understood in Genesis One, is a descriptor of humanity's vocation or role within creation, rather than a specific attribute imbued upon humankind, and how this can inform how we live.

Highlights: How NOT to Read the Bible (Episode 50) The road to atheism is littered with Bibles that have been read cover to cover. To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click “I agree.” Never Read a Bible Verse By lifting verses out of context, they can easily be misunderstood. The story-line of the Bible must be understood so that we can see where the verse/passage/book fits into the larger over-arching story. We need to enter their world to hear the words as the original audience would have heard them and as the author would've meant them to be understood…If we don't the possibilities for confusion are endless. Stranger Things The surrounding people groups who worship other gods and goddesses practiced all kinds of evil things…God did not want Israel to become like them, so he had Moses write down loving guidelines…to keep them distinct from other nations. God didn't create the institution of slavery. Slavery was man-made and was everywhere in the ancient world. The Old Testament rules established unique protections for slaves. Slaves were treated much better in ancient Israel than in surrounding cultures. Boys' Club Christianity When we read what Jesus did with regard to women, it should be recognized as countercultural, highly shocking, and extremely challenging to the religious leaders of his day. We see Jesus striving to change the culture he lived in through the way he treated women – with respect, dignity, and equality. The Bible verses that at first sound misogynistic and chauvinistic have explanations. Misunderstandings are due to not looking at the specific situations and unique culture of that time period. Do We Have to Choose Between Science and the Bible? The Bible teaches us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. (Galileo) So many of the debates within Christianity, as well as the mocking criticism of the Bible, end up being irrelevant when we accept that God wasn't providing details to satisfy questions from our modern scientific worldview. God used what the people were aware of at that time to communicate the truth about himself and his work in creating all things. Does Christianity Claim All Other Religions Are Wrong? Christianity is the one world faith in which people don't have to earn their way to heaven, but it is through the work of Jesus and us putting faith in him. The Horror of God's Old Testament Violence If you were carefully reading the entire Old Testament, you would not find a reactionary God who needs a class in anger management, someone who strikes out randomly, without cause. Instead, you find a God who is patient – again and again – with his people. Even in the parts where God is actively behind violence and death, it is not done without first pleading for change, giving warnings, waiting for change and showing great patience. Jesus Loved His Crazy Bible The Bible Project Podcast (12/06/2021) Interview with Dan Kimball The Lost World of Genesis One, John Walton ReGenerationProject.org 

It starts getting intense in Genesis 3 & 4 - sin enters the picture... And brings with it all sorts of complications. What are they? And what impact do they have on us today? Are Adam & Eve even the parents of all humanity? Even the answer to that question raises myriad other questions! Join Jo, Alex & Chris as they unpack this momentous section of scripture in a mammoth-sized episode!Resources/Links mentioned in this episode, or as references or helpful for Bible Streams:Book: Genesis (NIVAC) -  by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Genesis One - by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Adam and Eve - by John WaltonBook: Genesis (NICOT) - by Victor P. HamiltonBook: Genesis (Tyndale) - by Andrew E. SteinmanBook: The Composition of the Pentateuch: Renewing the Documentary Hypothesis - By Joel S. BadenBook: The Documentary Hypothesis and the Composition of the Pentateuch - by Umberto CassutoBook: Genesis: A Commentary - by Bruce K. WaltkeBig thanks to Tim Whittle for editing and extra production on this podcast. Get more info at Riverlife Church, and find us on Facebook and Instagram.Subscribe to Bible Streams on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon.

How important is family? How much of an impact can family make on society? Beleive it or not, family is God's primary means for church growth. It is a Genesis One creation. If you have decided to give your life for your family then you are blessed. What you are doing, if done according to God's Word and by His grace, is going to change the world.

Kris and TJ discuss some interesting elements of the creation of man, showing how important it is to maintain distinction between the narratives of Genesis One and Two. Then TJ gets into gene science and Nephilim bloodlines.

In the beginning... The words are embedded in our culture, but in the beginning of what? And with who? And what is the purpose? Join Chris and Jo as they dive deep into the first two chapters of Genesis, examining some of the big ideas and overarching themes of these most significant passages.Resources/Links mentioned in this episode, or as references or helpful for Bible Streams:Book: Genesis (NIVAC) -  by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Genesis One - by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Adam and Eve - by John WaltonBook: Genesis (NICOT) - by Victor P. HamiltonBook: Genesis (Tyndale) - by Andrew E. SteinmanBook: The Composition of the Pentateuch: Renewing the Documentary Hypothesis - By Joel S. BadenBook: The Documentary Hypothesis and the Composition of the Pentateuch - by Umberto CassutoBook: Genesis: A Commentary - by Bruce K. WaltkeBig thanks to Tim Whittle for editing and extra production on this podcast. Get more info at Riverlife Church, and find us on Facebook and Instagram.Subscribe to Bible Streams on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon.

Were Adam and Eve the first people? What is the purpose of the Garden of Eden? What is true about Genesis, and what is real? How literal should we be about what we read? Dr John Walton has spent his entire academic career looking at these issues and many more.Alex, Chris and Jo talk to John about the Ancient Near Eastern understanding of the origins of the universe, humanity, and how best we should read these ancient texts in our modern world.Resources/Links mentioned in this episode, or as references or helpful for Bible Streams:Book: Genesis (NIVAC) -  by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Genesis One - by John WaltonBook: The Lost World of Adam and Eve - by John WaltonBook: Genesis (NICOT) - by Victor P. HamiltonBook: Genesis (Tyndale) - by Andrew E. SteinmanBook: The Composition of the Pentateuch: Renewing the Documentary Hypothesis - By Joel S. BadenBook: The Documentary Hypothesis and the Composition of the Pentateuch - by Umberto CassutoBook: Genesis: A Commentary - by Bruce K. WaltkeBig thanks to Tim Whittle for editing and extra production on this podcast. Get more info at Riverlife Church, and find us on Facebook and Instagram.Subscribe to Bible Streams on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon.

T.J. and Kris discuss the nuances of the term Elohim that appears in Genesis One. We answer a question about megalithic structures and also address spiritual warfare in terms of allegiance and alignment with the Biblical God.

T.J. and Kris explore some creation stories from the nations of the ancient near east around Israel, to get a better idea of what makes a creation text. This sets us up for our study of creation in Genesis One as a product of the ancient near eastern cultural context.

John H. Walton is a professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College and Graduate School. Previously he was a professor of Old Testament at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago for twenty years. Some of Walton's books include The Lost World of Adam and Eve, The Lost World of Scripture, The Lost World of Genesis One, Ancient Near Eastern Thought […]

Open Forum – Questions Covered: 03:19 – What should I do if someone who I know hasn't received the Sacrament of First Holy Communion receives communion at Mass? 13:33 – How do I talk to friends who believe in the rapture? 28:27 – Should I still wear a wedding ring for a marriage outside of the church? 35:25 – In Genesis it says “let us make man in our image”, who is the “us”? 46:47 – What is the blue, purple, scarlet stuff mentioned in Exodus? Specifically, what is “stuff”? …

Summary In this conversation, Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss their study of Genesis chapter two, verses four through seven. They started their study from the beginning of Genesis and talked about how it wasn't a Jewish text initially. They also discussed how the Scriptures were the beginning of the story for the Jews before they went into captivity in Babylon. Pastor Bill reads from the Christian Standard Bible, not because he thinks it's perfect, but because no translation could be perfect as it's impossible to know the intentions of someone when they were writing the scriptures. They go through the verses word by word, looking for words that are different and could indicate that something deeper or more is being said. They discuss the creation of the earth and the heavens, the absence of shrubs and plants, and the mist that watered the ground before the creation of man. They then talk about how the Lord God formed the man out of dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, making him a living being. Overall, their discussion focuses on the deeper meanings and insights that can be gained from studying the Scriptures in detail. The speaker discusses the significance of the phrase these are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation at the time that the Lord God made the earth and heavens in Genesis chapter two, verse four. They explain that while the first part of the phrase is not particularly noteworthy, the second half - which refers to Jehovah and Elohim - is significant as it defines Jehovah as a specific, divine being. This, in turn, gives us an idea of when the text may have been written, as Jehovah is not identified by name until Exodus chapter three. The speaker goes on to mention that this chapter describes the story of Moses and the burning bush, which is where God first refers to himself as Jehovah. The conversation revolves around the book of Genesis in the Bible, specifically the story of Moses and God's revelation of his name, Jehovah. The discussion touches on the idea that Moses might not have existed but the point is that God shared his name with humanity at a certain time. This is significant as it is the first time that God identified himself by name to mankind. The conversation also touches on the structure of Genesis, which follows a pattern of recording human interactions with God and tracking the genealogies of specific individuals such as Adam, Noah, and Abraham. It is noted that Genesis is not a history book but a religious text useful for teaching, correcting, and building up faith. The discussion concludes by emphasizing the importance of understanding that Genesis is a record of oral histories and human interactions with God, rather than a book of direct descendantship or religious clubs. In a conversation between two pastors, they discuss the significance of the story of Abraham in the book of Genesis. They note that Abraham was found faithful and God chose to favor his bloodline, which is why his lineage is blessed and why the scriptures still exist. The pastors also point out that before God whispered to Abraham in the desert, the whole world had forgotten the name of God. They emphasize that Genesis chapter two has ties that are connected to future scriptures and that people refer back to these scriptures frequently. Both pastors agree on the importance of understanding the context of the Bible and how it informs our understanding of God's plan for humanity. Chapters 0:00:00 "Transcript: Season 4, Episode 13 of The Berean Manifesto - Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian"  0:02:58 Weekly Update: Quizzing Competition and Gaming Beta Testing  0:05:26 Discussion and State Event Anecdote  0:10:21 Transcript of a Podcast Episode: Messing with Children for Fun with a Professional Writer  0:14:44 A Casual Conversation with a Pastor.  0:16:50 A Conversation on Favorite Movie Scenes and Coping Strategies for Bad Days  0:19:52 A Casual Conversation on Coping with Bad Days and Humorous Jokes about Jesus 0:22:54 A Discussion on Genesis 2:4-7: Word by Word Analysis with Pastors Bill and Newms  Analysis of Genesis and Exodus: The Use of Names for God  0:30:02 Analysis of Genesis: The Naming of God and the Cycle of Genealogies  0:37:51 A Discussion on the Significance of Abraham and Genesis Chapter Two in Biblical History  0:39:13 A Discussion on the Cultural and Linguistic Context of the Word "Jehovah" in the Bible  0:41:01 A Casual Conversation between Pastors on Genesis 25  0:46:28 A Discussion on Genesis 2:6-7: The Creation of Man and the Importance of God's Personal Involvement  0:48:46 Analysis of Genesis 2:7: The Formation of Human Beings from Dust  0:59:18 Discussion on the Concept of God's Breath and the Human Soul  1:00:15 A Discussion on the Spiritual Significance of Breath and the Beginning of Life in Different Faiths  1:09:13 "The Berean Manifesto: A Weekly Podcast on Faith, Hop, and Love for the Modern Christian"  Transcript 0:00:00 Pastor Bill: It's. Hello, and welcome to season four, episode 13 of The Berean Manifesto. Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I am joined, as always, by Pastor Newms. And Pastor Newms was telling us about some stuff about his day, and we've just kind of been hanging out while the intro music played because we record this live, right? Every Sunday night we record this live at 06:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. And if you're enjoying listening to this podcast not live, then you might enjoy coming and hanging out on Twitch or Facebook or YouTube in the chat. You froze me? 0:00:52 Pastor Newms: Yeah, I forgot if I opened up my little thing to take a screenshot that it would freeze you like this, but not like that. 0:01:03 Pastor Bill: Why are you screenshotting me? 0:01:05 Pastor Newms: I'm not screenshotting you. Okay, screenshoting a bathroom layout. That is kind of like what I'm talking about, but not quite. 0:01:15 Pastor Bill: But see, we were talking about that before we went officially live. 0:01:19 Pastor Newms: Well, I didn't say what it was. I didn't say why. 0:01:22 Pastor Bill: I didn't say why I was sending you a screenshot of a bathroom. 0:01:25 Pastor Newms: Yeah. 0:01:25 Pastor Bill: Going to randomly throw that in there and let listeners wonder. 0:01:28 Pastor Newms: Let them wonder. Let them wonder. 0:01:29 Pastor Bill: So if you wanted to join us live and be a part of the conversation, you can type in the chat. Like just now, we got a chat message from Zaydie, who's one of our regulars on Twitch. She just said hi, but if at any point she wanted to be more part of the conversation with questions or concerns like last week, like last week, then she could. And I would like to invite everyone who's listening to avail yourself of these technological capabilities as well and join us on Sunday nights when we record live. All right, Pastor Newms, how was your week? 0:02:11 Pastor Newms: Strong breath is a good waves. No, my week was pretty good. 0:02:16 Pastor Bill: Your week was strong breath? 0:02:18 Pastor Newms: Yeah, strong breath like a good strong exhale. No, my week was good. Monday through Friday was just busy, but not bad busy. It was just work busy. And then yesterday, the state finals for the Junior Bible Quiz thing that Seraphina has recently gotten involved in. 0:02:58 Pastor Bill: Was there. 0:02:59 Pastor Newms: And so there were people from across Tennessee, mainly from Knoxville, the Nashville area and then, of course, the Memphis area and then someone from outside the state. But their state doesn't have one, so they're part of our state for the finals. And the number one place gets an automatic the number one team for Quizzing gets to go to nationals and then so many other teams get to go to regionals which then they can try to place in nationals. And so it's kind of cool. And so I coached that yesterday, and so that was a lot of up and down the stairs and a lot of around and around, which is fun, but it was good because the girls had fun and both of them beat their daily high scores, which was good, so it was fun. And then that's really all the only memorable thing I did this week. Everything else was pretty much just normal work. I did finish, not finish. I did more of the Diablo four open beta this week. This is the last open beta before launch on 66, and so that was fun and got to play with that some more, so it was good. 0:04:46 Pastor Bill: Cool. 0:04:48 Pastor Newms: How was your week, Pastor Bill? 0:04:50 Pastor Bill: Well, in my neck of the woods, so last week we had been talking about Gerg and his old One Act Play stuff, and I didn't have all the correct information. So Wednesday they had their, what they were what we called bi-district competition. 0:05:07 Pastor Newms: Okay. 0:05:08 Pastor Bill: Which they placed in one of the top three positions. So they do move on, but apparently they move on from by district into area, and then if they succeeded area, then they move on to region, and if they succeed at region, then they move on to state. 0:05:26 Pastor Newms: Okay. 0:05:30 Pastor Bill: But they only had to do good at by district in order to letter to get a letterman's jacket. So he's going to get a letterman jacket now because of how they did him by district, so that's cool. 0:05:44 Pastor Newms: That is kind of cool. Yeah, that is pretty cool. 0:05:50 Pastor Bill: And then, you know that new little bug on my Windscreen. 0:06:01 Pastor Newms: The Mic isn't new. 0:06:03 Pastor Bill: Why are you pointing at it? 0:06:05 Pastor Newms: No. 0:06:05 Pastor Bill: Transcribing software that I had discovered and started using, and it was kind of touch and go. Yeah, it turns out they were in alpha when all that was going on, and they launched the official beta this week, and I was able to get into the beta, so I'm in the beta for that and that's going well. Yeah. So I've been using some of that. 0:06:29 Pastor Newms: This week, putting a bunch of our stuff in there, just no, but I've. 0:06:35 Pastor Bill: Been going through there and pointing out the obvious. Well to me, obvious to me. Places that need work, need fixed features, they could add, things like that. I still only get a certain amount of time, so I want to go that out appropriately and make sure that all our episodes are actually getting time in the transcriber. So I'm trying to save all of my transcription, allotments to make sure that this podcast is actually getting those first. 0:07:10 Pastor Newms: And then right, that makes perfect sense because that's what we want, because it's a great tool. 0:07:17 Pastor Bill: Yeah, it's really good with the summaries and the quotes and the chapter markings and a world class transcription algorithm that just blows other services like Google out of the water, really is just crazy. Amazing how accurate the transcription is now. It's still got some issues here and there, but it's just here and there. It's not like with Google where I would spend hours going through it and going, well, that's not right, and oh, now I've got to listen to this, and it's to figure out what was actually being said, because this is just garbage on the page here. I have no idea what this transcription was trying to say here. 0:08:05 Pastor Newms: But with. 0:08:06 Pastor Bill: This new service, there's none of that. It's just like a word here or. 0:08:08 Pastor Newms: A word there, which really worries me, because when I was doing the transcription and looking at it, I never noticed any of that where whole areas were wrong. Or I would read it, and it would read fine, and then I'd keep moving on, which really worries me because what was I reading? 0:08:33 Pastor Bill: Yeah, what were you reading? 0:08:34 Pastor Newms: What was my Dyslexia filling in the blanks that Google just left out? And I was just like, yeah, it looks great. 0:08:41 Pastor Bill: Yeah, Gertrude typecat looks great. Yeah, perfect sense. Perfect sense. Good job, Google. Okay. 0:08:53 Pastor Newms: But at least it's not as bad as being AI anyway. 0:09:00 Pastor Bill: All right, so it's your week. You pull a card for the faster, so if you want to go ahead and pull your card for it, get there. 0:09:08 Pastor Newms: I forgot about this whole segment, I'll be honest. Mentally blocked it out. I probably just more grumbling as I do it. Okay, here we go. You ready? Okay, side note. So we're at this state event, right? So there's these churches, Assemblies of God churches from all over the state and area, and some churches that aren't necessarily Assemblies of God, but at one point were. So they're using this curriculum, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0:09:42 Pastor Newms: I hear this little girl talking to her coach, who I find out is also her father, and I don't know. No, I don't know. You will have to ask him. I'm sitting there, and I'm like, what is this little girl bothering her dad about? And there's only a couple of hymns in this room to begin with, because we're moving from room to room, and it's group to group. And that team had four girls, and I've got two girls on my team, and two people up there are girls, and there's one dude, me and him. 0:10:21 Pastor Newms: So I don't know what she's about to ask, either him or me, but that's fine. And these are all elementary school kids. It's kindergarten through fifth grade, I think. Anyway, no 6th grade, because then the teen stuff is 7th through high school. 12th. That's the end goal. So then this little girl turns around, and for those of you out there in podcast land who don't know me in real life, I'm bald. I have a beard. 0:11:01 Pastor Newms: I wear graphic tees. Yesterday. Said y'all need Jesus. Thought it was appropriate. And I have black dipped fingernails like the professional dip nails. And I walk with a cane because arthritis. So I'm sitting there, and this little girl looks at me. But I love to mess with people. There is no people group more fun to mess with than children, though, because children are just they'll almost believe anything. 0:11:42 Pastor Newms: They're fun to mess with. Talking gibberish to a child and acting like it's complete normal while they look at you in fear that they've lost their mind. There's fun things you can do in situations like these types of situations. Excuse me, sir. And she's turned around so she's not talking to the guy in the front. I'm like, yeah, what's up, hon? Do you have children? Do you have girls? Do you have children that are girls? 0:12:20 Pastor Newms: What? Do you have little girls? Do I have little honey, I'm sorry, I'm a little confused on what you're asking. Are you asking if I have? Are you asking if I'm a father of girls like children? Yes. I'm like, okay. And part of that is that's fun. Second part of that is, is she asking if I own dolls? Is she asking, like, there's lots of things that that could also mean. Like, I'm like, I'm not sure what she's at. Like, you know, and I was like, yeah. 0:12:56 Pastor Newms: Mind you, Seraphina is sitting there and she's like, yeah, me? I'm like, hey, turn back around. Where are you supposed to be? Paying attention? 0:13:05 Pastor Bill: And. 0:13:08 Pastor Newms: She'S like, oh, okay. And that's the answer. And I'm like, Why, hon? No idea. I'm not doing anything that is, I have no idea what's going on. Well, why are your nails black? And I'm like and in your mind starts racing 1000 directions of things you can say, ways you can say it, what you could say, oh, well, they just turned this color. There's so many places you could go to just have fun. And so I look at her and I say, do you know what punk music is? 0:14:09 Pastor Newms: Are you familiar with the term grunge? What the dad goes, that 80s rock and roll you don't like? She goes, oh, yeah. I was like, well, in that culture and cultures that came after it, singers, fans, those of us, we wear a lot of black we do black nails. It's good. Oh, okay. So it has nothing to do with. 0:14:44 Pastor Bill: The fact that you have daughters? No. 0:14:48 Pastor Newms: She's like, okay. Because there are people men let their children paint their nails or toenails. 0:14:57 Pastor Bill: I have pink toenails right now. 0:14:58 Pastor Newms: I know, that's why I was saying. 0:14:59 Pastor Bill: Because I have two daughters. 0:15:02 Pastor Newms: It was a funny aspect of and then later I'm sitting there and I'm like, I tell this to Zaydie. And I thought to myself and I said, there was a small part of me that wanted to be like, have you heard of punk? Have you heard of grunge? Are you familiar with Lgbtqia? And just see what happens. But I was like, It's not the time to throw at other churches. And you never know what these children have been. And so I'm like, yeah, exactly. 0:15:44 Pastor Newms: Says black nails just happen when you hang out with bats all the time, they just over time, your nails turn black. But yeah. So I had to share that because I noticed them flash. And I was like, oh, I got to tell you that because it was such a great and the dad's, this big country dude, was wearing the shirt with the pocket and the flaps on the back for the air, even though you know he's not but you know what shirt I'm talking about. If you're from the country, everyone knows what shirt I'm talking about. It allows airflow through the shirt, blah, blah, blah. 0:16:18 Pastor Newms: But yeah. So I'm like, anyway, okay, get to know the pastors. Here we go. I can't answer this question. Pastor Bill, what is your all time favorite scene from a movie? 0:16:39 Pastor Bill: Favorite theme scene? Scene from my all time favorite scene from a movie. 0:16:50 Pastor Newms: All time favorite scene from a movie. What's a part of a movie that you find yourself quoting accidentally? What is that scene that is forever in your mind that you love so much while Pastor Bill is thinking all I will say about two of the first scenes that come to mind, they're both from this movie, so we will not be talking about them. But if you want to, this is the movie right here. All my favorite. This is the favorite. 0:17:31 Pastor Newms: We just passed St. Patrick's Day. They were all over news outlets and stuff because it's a St. Patrick's Day movie right here. All my favorite scenes. Pastor Bill. Go ahead. 0:17:43 Pastor Bill: I have no idea. You love movies. 0:17:46 Pastor Newms: Homie. 0:17:47 Pastor Bill: Yeah, but a scene, a particular scene? No clue? 0:17:53 Pastor Newms: Nothing came to mind? 0:17:54 Pastor Bill: No. 0:17:55 Pastor Newms: Okay, pull another card since neither of us could technically answer it. All right. When you're having a bad day, what is the best thing you can do to help cheer yourself up? 0:18:18 Pastor Bill: Drink a cup of tea and go back to bed. 0:18:20 Pastor Newms: Cup of tea and go back to bed. So if I think about it, Biggs is you can't handle the truth. It's a good scene. 0:18:29 Pastor Bill: You can't handle the truth. 0:18:33 Pastor Newms: My favorite is probably music. If I actually have to recenter myself and focus on my day, I can't just piece out my number one is definitely just go back to bed. Like I will often. Afternoon. Just I'm done. I'm going take a nap. I'll figure it out when I wake up. I do that. But if I have to continue focusing, it's music. It's putting certain music on, depending on what's causing the bad day, will dictate what style of music will help the day be marginally better till I can get to nap time? 0:19:19 Pastor Newms: Yes. The short answer is just nap time. Just go back to bed. 0:19:28 Pastor Bill: Yeah, just go back to bed. 0:19:30 Pastor Newms: There was that old saying, oh, someone must have woke up on bed on the wrong side of the bed today. Blah, blah. And then there would always be that add on. Some people would add they should go back to bed and get back out on the other side. Stuff like that. And you're like, yeah, I agree I should go back to bed, right? Yeah, I agree with you. 0:19:52 Pastor Bill: There's that audio quote from some guru that was going around for a while that says, if the day is Effed F it, just go back to bed. Don't try to fix it. Give up. Try again tomorrow. 0:20:08 Pastor Newms: There is a certain amount of accuracy in that statement of you can't control it, don't let it ruin you. I mean, see, Biggs, I can't do music on all day because of meetings and everything. I can't actually have it fully audible all day. Plus, Me and Sez have very different styles of music. So Me just turning mine on one. But yes, he does that sometimes just for the reaction. He'll do it when I'm in the middle of work, he'll text me and then turn around and just lean back so he could see around my monitors and just look at me, waiting for me to see whatever he sent wherever he sent it. 0:21:28 Pastor Newms: So that way he gets the reaction. 0:21:33 Pastor Bill: But yes, Sez, I mean, Jesus did take naps. Like, he was sleeping in the bottom of the boat, and everybody's like, we're going to die as a horrible storm. And Jesus is down below like, I love sleeping on water beds. This is great. 0:21:55 Pastor Newms: So for those out there, I will read the joke. For those out there who are now going, what is Pastor Bill and Newms talking about? Sez is that why Jesus decided to sleep in a cave for three days? He was having a very bad day. Which I can't say I hate the joke. I really can't. There was a little more work put in than that, but it was a bad day. 0:22:29 Pastor Bill: It was a bad 40 years. 0:22:32 Pastor Newms: It was a bad several years. 0:22:35 Pastor Bill: He was God, and then he became a human being. 0:22:39 Pastor Newms: That's some bad time. 0:22:41 Pastor Bill: That's a bad 40 years right there. 0:22:42 Pastor Newms: He needed a break. All right, what are we even talking about today? I already. 0:22:54 Pastor Bill: So we started this year, this season at the beginning of Genesis. And we went through Genesis One and we talked about Genesis One. Then we went through some in John One, and we talked about how Genesis One isn't a Jewish text per se. It was borrowed from another culture, who, let's be honest, borrowed it from another culture, who borrowed it from another it's one of these things where it was this is common knowledge, and now we're going to include it with what the descendants of Jacob believed. So now we've gotten up to Genesis, chapter two, verse four, which technically was the beginning of the Scriptures for the sins of Jacob, the Jews, the Jewish people before they went into captivity in Babylon, right? This was the beginning of the story. And we're going to do verses four through seven, I believe. I'm going to open my Bible. 0:24:14 Pastor Newms: And. 0:24:15 Pastor Bill: I am going to read from the Christian Standard Bible. Not because I think it's perfect. I don't think any translation is I don't think any translation could be, honestly, because it's impossible to know what the intentions of someone were when they were writing the scriptures that they were writing. And also that would negate the need for faith, and faith is a pretty important thing. Okay, verses four through seven. These are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation. At the time that Lord God made the earth and the heavens, no shrub of the field had yet grown on the land, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted. But the Lord God had not made it rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground but mist would come up from the earth and water all the ground. Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. All right, that's Genesis chapter two, verses four through seven. So when we go back through these and we're looking at these word by word, like we've been doing, and we're looking the main thing that we're doing when we're looking word for word is we're looking for words that are different, that are a clue to the fact that there's something more being said there or there's something deeper being said. There's more message there than just the poetic phraseology, the Phrasing that we see at face value, right? And so we get this thing where we read, these are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation at the time that the Lord God made the earth and heavens. These first words, these are the records of the heavens and the earth. There's nothing special there. There's nothing great and hidden there. When the first thing of note that happens in Genesis chapter two, verse four is when we get to that second half of the phrase and we say at the time that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. And here we see the words Jehovah and Elohim. Elohim is still that plural God that we've been using before, but now we've given it a prefixed word that defines the word down into we're not actually talking about the plural gods anymore. Now we're talking about a specific being who is a divine being, right? So we're defining that YEHOVAH is an Elohim. He is this Godly personage. He is this divine personage. And the reason this is actually of note is because it tells us when this was written, or at least it lets us know how early it could have been written. Okay, well, how does that happen? Okay, so God doesn't identify himself with the name Jehovah until Exodus, chapter three. So if you want to turn over to Exodus chapter three, we'll see the first time that God calls himself Jehovah is in verse 14, exodus, chapter three, verse 14. God replies to Moses. This is the burning bush, right? So Moses is walking by looking for a lost sheep in his herd, and he notices that there's a bush on fire, but it's not actually being consumed by the fire. And he goes, that's kind of weird. I'm going to go check that out. So, you know, that phenomena where you're driving by a wreck and everybody's turning to look at the wreck and it's causing traffic. That's what Moses did. I'm going to go check that out. It's none of my business, but I'm going to check it down anyway. And so God is in the bush and he's having a conversation with God. And God says, you need to go tell Pharaoh this is the let my people go speech. And Moses says, well, who do I say is sending me? Yo, wrong script. I'm in exodus 314. 0:30:02 Pastor Newms: Did I. 0:30:04 Pastor Bill: Give her no, it's the right scripture. God replied to Moses, I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. I am has sent me to you. So in the first place, he says, I am who I am. And this is actually three words that then become the conjunction for the words I am Jehovah. This is the first time that God actually says, my name is call me this. And we know this is the first time because if we turn forward to Exodus six, chapter I'm sorry, exodus, chapter six, verse three, right? And if we start in verse two, it says, then God spoke to Moses, telling him, I am the Lord. I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but I was not known to them by my name, the Lord. And therein the Lord. It says Jehovah in the original language there. It's actually the word jehovah. So God appeared to Abraham. God appeared to Isaac. God appeared to Jacob. God had very intimate conversations with these people. God appeared to Methuselah and Enoch. And God appeared to Noah. Well, I didn't appear to Noah, but talked to Noah through an intermediary, an archangel, but never identified himself by name until he got to Moses. Now, a lot of scholars believe that Moses didn't exist and that the character of Moses is actually an amalgamation of stories from different people over different times. And that's not the point. The point is that God shared his name with humanity at a certain time. And at that time is when they wrote down or after that time is when they wrote down the Genesis account. This. Genesis Chapter Two, right? And so when we get to verse four and we see the word Jehovah, a word that isn't given to mankind for another not 4000, 3000 years. 0:32:58 Pastor Newms: Because. 0:32:58 Pastor Bill: It'S 2000 years from here to 2400 years from here to the flood, and then another 2000 years from there to David. But we're not quite to David yet. So, yeah, it's about 3000 years after creation. 0:33:12 Pastor Newms: 2500. 0:33:15 Pastor Bill: Ish ish somewhere in there. 0:33:18 Pastor Newms: Yeah. 0:33:20 Pastor Bill: So, obviously, it's written after that time because that's where we got that word. That's when that word was given to mankind by God. And so, once again, this is not God saying, this is what happened, right? This is mankind writing down thousands of years later what the oral stories are that they've been passing down and what it is that they believe happened. This is not God telling the story. This is mankind telling our understanding of the story right? Now. Do we believe that all scriptures, god breathed and useful for this and that? And I'm not going to quote the actual scripture from the New Testament, but yes, we believe that God inspired, god breathed, but also at the same time, we're not actually creating a history book here. We're creating a religious text that is useful for teaching, correcting, building up faith, all of those things, not a history textbook. All right, so there is this cycle that happens in Genesis where it says, these are the records, or these are the genealogies of blah. And then it'll fall that cycle again, and it'll do it for Adam, and then it does it for Noah and his sons. Then it does it for Abraham, and it's a cycle over and over again. It's this pattern that they're following. That where they're making a point of showing a line where we've tracked through the oral histories all of the encounters that we know of from God. Now, Moses isn't claiming direct descendantship from Adam as some kind of, look at me, I'm in some kind of special religious club. He's not claiming descendantship from Abraham to be in some kind of club. What Genesis is doing is genesis is recording human interactions with God, whether or not those are following the same bloodline. But it just so happens that Abraham was found faithful and that God chose to favor his bloodline. And that is why we still have these scriptures, is because the line of Abraham is blessed, because Abraham was faithful. If it had been someone else that had heard the whispering of God's voice in the desert and had listened, it would be some other people, would have been the favored people of the Lord. But in that story of Abraham, the whole world had forgotten the name of God. They had all forgotten who God said he was. In the beginning, nobody knew what the name of God was anymore. God hadn't actually told people what his name was yet as far as Moses was concerned. And so God comes whispering to Abraham, and Abraham believed that the voice was God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Sorry. Excuse me. All right, so that was Genesis 24. And I know I'm building a lot of future look into this. The thing is, we couldn't do that in chapter one because they weren't connected to anything. They literally weren't connected to the rest. But chapter two numes. You're on mute. I can see you agreeing, shaking your head and stuff, but you're on mute so nobody can hear you. 0:37:51 Pastor Newms: I wasn't saying I'm just nodding sorry. 0:37:53 Pastor Bill: Okay. 0:37:54 Pastor Newms: Yeah, I hadn't actually said anything. I actually checked when you said it. I was like, am I? And I look in my bouncing because I'm a nasal breather. 0:38:04 Pastor Bill: Anyway, so Genesis chapter two, though, has all these ties that are connected. And as we progress further, we're going to see in the future people referring back to these scriptures over and over and over. And so we don't want to ignore what other people built onto this. But we couldn't do that with Genesis one because it wasn't actually tied to the rest of the story. It was separate and was adopted. Right. And so there are times in the future we'll say, well, in the beginning, blah, blah, blah, but it's different. It's different because this is actually written within the culture that's then referencing it later. And so it's all this web that we're looking at. And so we're trying to approach it from a learning standpoint. That's why there's more pulling in of future events that is going on now, because they're actually connected. 0:39:13 Pastor Newms: Yeah. And that's exactly how it really is. When you look at stuff like that, it's interesting where the name Jehovah as it is truly comes from and how the etymology of it that at what point in time we added a J, at what point in time, all those types of things to the translations as well. It's interesting to see those aspects. 0:39:44 Pastor Bill: Yeah. The word Jehovah that we then call Jehovah. 0:39:48 Pastor Newms: Yeah. 0:39:49 Pastor Bill: And even that word itself, can we talk about that word for a minute? 0:39:52 Pastor Newms: Which word? 0:39:54 Pastor Bill: Jehovah. 0:39:56 Pastor Newms: Which word? 0:39:57 Pastor Bill: It means oh, I'm sorry, H3068. It means the self existent or eternal. Moses says, who should I tell them is sending me? And God says, the God that exists because I want to. I self exist. I exist because I want to. 0:40:26 Pastor Newms: Yeah. When we jump to Exodus 314, when you're talking about, wait, I just did what Biggs did earlier, where I stayed in Genesis and turned to 314, as opposed to so obviously you were like, oh, what? Obviously it is genetic. And I had the exact same moment he did earlier, where I was like, that verse doesn't have that in it. And I went, oh, yeah. Hey, look. Like father, like son. Look at that. Look how that happens when you look at that. 0:41:01 Pastor Newms: I am that I am even in it. It's to exist. That is to be to come to pass. That is that which what also where. 0:41:21 Pastor Bill: Is. 0:41:24 Pastor Newms: Because I is it's such an interesting aspect that what was the first. 0:41:38 Pastor Bill: Thing in all of creation, god going, I want to I want to exist. 0:41:46 Pastor Newms: Okay, so I'm going to say something and this is definitely also they did numsian aspects. This is not Berean ecclesiaste. This is. Just news. There is no way in any universe ever. And I'm sure I'm wrong, so I'm fully aware that I am wrong in what I am saying that God said I Aunt Two, as you just said. 0:42:20 Pastor Bill: Just like you thought I was mispronouncing doggone if before we get to heaven, Jesus, God's like, welcome home, folks. 0:42:34 Pastor Newms: Actually a redneck to be very upset with myself for saying this, but there. 0:42:43 Pastor Bill: Is no way we're all going to get our Glorified buys. We're all going to be just fat butter balls running around. 0:42:52 Pastor Newms: Where I'm going with my thought process. I'm like, I'm going to be mad at myself if I'm wrong. But no, there's no heavenly language that sounds like that. 0:43:12 Pastor Bill: But he will sing the people who talks like that in their life, and that makes them comfortable. And to the person sitting next to them who was royalty and was very well put together, god will sound majestic. 0:43:24 Pastor Newms: And royalty bib overall, I swear, that's going to mess me up. That's going to mess me up something great. What's really going to be funny is if he shows up, however they show up with just despite me at this point, just once, just once, right when I come over the gate. Hey, I'm joking. 0:43:51 Pastor Bill: Are you always the one saying I had a sense of humor? 0:43:54 Pastor Newms: I'm joking. I really am. I promise. Here it is. And then I will be in overalls, as Big said, be just stuck in it. Okay. 0:44:09 Pastor Bill: All right. Genesis 25. No show up on the field had yet grown on the land, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted for the Lord god had not made it rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground. So we've got this very human centric point of view going on where the author is trying to make it clear, very clear where we are in the story, right? God created the heavens and the earth, and this is an account of everything that happened. But where we are in the account, there's no shrubs, there's nothing growing, there's no plants, there's no mankind even. There's no rain. Mist is just coming up out of the ground. I find it interesting that they thought about the mist, though. They're like, yeah, the mist, the mist came up out of the just like it does now. When we get dew, we get the morning dew. There was morning dew. Yeah, that's all there was, though. 0:45:14 Pastor Newms: There was dew and fog. 0:45:16 Pastor Bill: Yeah, there was just dew and fog. 0:45:22 Pastor Newms: I will say, and I'm sorry for all of Podcast Land, because it's my fault. Since we had the joke, all of your country has come out and you've leaned into it more accidentally because I made you fake it, and now you've made it. Just throwing that out there, that was one of the most Twingy readings of five I have ever heard in my entire existence. That you fight so hard to not come across as that across the podcast. And I just threw a wrench at 50 minutes in tonight of just here is Decatur Bill, as opposed to Bill. 0:46:05 Pastor Bill: Let me hit reset on my there's. 0:46:08 Pastor Newms: Your regular podcast voice. 0:46:12 Pastor Bill: Take out the hit. Okay, so that brings us to Genesis Two Seven, because all of Two Six was all about the mist, right? All of Two Six was about but there was mist. 0:46:28 Pastor Newms: The whole face of the ground. 0:46:31 Pastor Bill: I also find that everywhere it missed. It everywhere. There was nowhere that it didn't miss, basically. 0:46:36 Pastor Newms: And that's part of that whole at this point in the creation story, there is no desert. 0:46:45 Pastor Bill: Maybe I think it's basically all desert, but with misty. Right? 0:46:50 Pastor Newms: That's what I'm saying. It's not like nothing is dried out, but nothing is like vegetative as the mist comes and there's not as much of everything. 0:47:13 Pastor Bill: Okay, then we get to Genesis, chapter two, verse seven. Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. That is the most toned down way to say such an amazing thing ever, right? Okay. So the Lord God jehovah elohim the self existent god personally. Right. So we have this formed, but then it's got the 8th attached to it, h 853, the 8th that we talked about before, where it denotes that it wasn't just a divine command. It was God got down in the dirt and personally did the forming. He didn't outsource this to someone else. 0:48:21 Pastor Newms: I will say my favorite parts. First off, I find it funny Big said wet sand, which really works with the analogy that's given, which is a potter. But I love the words it says to compare to is to mold into form. But before that, it's squeezing it into shape. 0:48:46 Pastor Bill: And I love the squeezing into shape. 0:48:51 Pastor Newms: It's not the drop it on the thing and make a pot. 0:48:55 Pastor Bill: It's the. 0:48:59 Pastor Newms: Squeezing and going, okay. No, okay. You know, I just it's such a good word that is just form, which is a very boring word for what that word, actually, that word means English sucks. Anyway. 0:49:27 Pastor Bill: Okay, so it says the Lord God formed the man. Right. But it doesn't actually say formed the man. It says personally molded human being. It doesn't identify human being as male, yet it says it created the human being. It doesn't say it created the man, Adam. It created human. It it's out of and there's this word that then it uses that it hasn't used yet that if you're looking at in the original language and you're going along and you're like, okay, cool. Okay, we're building up. We're getting momentum. And then you hit this roadblock where you hit this word, AW far. Now, AW dom is human being from ruddy, from blood in the cheeks. And that's fine. That's H 120. That kind of works. We've heard that before. That fits with what we're looking at. Even the word for soil or country, earth, ground is 127. And then we get to off far and it's like, it's kind of this stumble. It's the word dust as powdered or gray, hence clay, earth, mud, ashes, dust, earth, ground, mortar, powder, and my favorite rubbish. So remember now remember these are disconnected, but remember in Genesis one, they said the earth was formless and void. And it uses this word that is a euphemism for cesspool, for just disgusting, just mix of all this primordial ooze. This is basically this chapter's equivalent of saying god didn't use the good stuff. God didn't go to the top of the mountain and get the holy dirt. God went down and he got the bad stuff. He got the worthless stuff. He got the stuff that shouldn't have been elevated into humanity and chose that medium. He chose to elevate what was the lowest of the available building blocks. And it's this weird speed bump when you're going through it. And it still doesn't make any sense to me why? Except there is some kind of beautiful, poetic, I don't know, contrast there that the whole universe, the heavens and the earth and their stars. And he's called up the ground and he's commanded all this stuff to happen. And then he chooses the rubbish, the mortar, the powder, the ash and mud, the clay, the gray powdered dust, the wet sand, the bad wet sand, even. 0:53:21 Pastor Newms: Yeah. And one thing I find interesting is when you look at that word, 860, 83 and in strongs, it says it comes from this word which is only used the other word is only used once in the KgV overall. But it's either meaning either to be gray or perhaps rather to pulverize. And you're like to be dust, to be cast into dust. It's not a nice because I was like, why is it just bad dust? Okay? It's gray dust, like not even like the good dust that blows through it's. 0:54:18 Pastor Bill: Like when you were talking about it, it wasn't that they put it on a potter's wheel and turned it and made it no, this is the stuff that the potter has on his hands. When he's done that, he then goes like this and claps his hands and a cloud of dust comes off of his hands. That is the unusable stuff. That's the stuff that we're made out of the stuff that any reasonable potter would go, there's no value there. I can't use that for anything. That's just the rubbish. That's just the leftovers of creation. I made all this beautiful stuff. And this is the refuse pile. I'm going to use that to make my prized possession. Okay? And then the beautiful part comes where okay, so he's formed and molded this human being, not male human being, not female human being, but human being. And he breathes life into it. But it's not just breathing life into it. It is Nesh AMA. It's H5397 the breath of life. And this word is a puff that is wind, angry or vital breath. Divine inspiration, intellect. Intellect for human or animal, it is a blast of breath. It is the soul, it is the spirit. All of these words. There is this idea that comes from the word life here I think sorry, I've got a poll in the middle of my screen and it's making it hard to read some of the stuff in esore. 0:56:30 Pastor Newms: Turn that sound off. 0:56:33 Pastor Bill: Okay. I can't remember where it comes from but there's this idea that God took a chunk that this breath is a chunk that God took of himself and shoved it into man. Right? That the whole breathing poetic euphemism is just that just a poetic idea trying to describe God taking a chunk of his own divine self and putting it into mankind. And I wish I'd written more notes on that because I've looked at it in the past and tracked down where that idea comes from. But for some reason I didn't actually include it in my notes for bringing that to you guys. It's an idea that's rejected by a lot of theologians because theologians deal more in the gnostic, more in the scientific. Well, we can see it talked about more and more and less in the mystical and less in faith necessarily. But there's a lot of mystical stuff going on here and so it's not a big jump to read this and agree with the idea that this divine inspiration, the intellect, that this soul, the spirit is actually a piece of God. One of my commentaries, though believe it was keel and Delich called that belief as tantamount to what's the word my mind just went blank. Heresy. Heresy. Tantamount to heresy to say that the human soul, the human spirit is a piece of God. I don't know though. I'm kind of inclined to agree that we're born with a piece of God in us and we move forward in life and it's our duty to find faith in order to go back to spend eternity with God. 0:59:18 Pastor Newms: So I think part of it is that breathed into. So I find it interesting sometimes when we look at people's thought processes around it but when it's like the swab test with saliva when you breathe out there's bits of you in what you're breathing out. And so to me it's kind of like that. Like there is that aspect of because I think some people take the. 1:00:15 Pastor Bill: Where. 1:00:16 Pastor Newms: God took a piece of himself and put it they're like, oh, well, that means you think that you're part God. And it's like, no, there's difference between having a piece of something and being something. And I think that's where some people have a real big hiccup with that thought process is just because words are hard. 1:00:45 Pastor Bill: But words are hard. 1:00:47 Pastor Newms: It's that aspect of often the you know, if you breathe on something, you got spit in your breath all the time. I know I'm equating this to the physical, but there is that aspect. And so with that, well, that's basically. 1:01:11 Pastor Bill: All of what Genesis is doing, right? Trying to everything to physical way we can understand. 1:01:17 Pastor Newms: And so when we look at that breathing, when you breathe into someone, stuff moves between it's one of those aspects. And so I think that's where and I don't remember we've talked about it before, so I tried to find it quickly if I could in past notes and things, but I couldn't. But it definitely is a belief that I think some people struggle with. But to me it's that piece of connection also. It's the part that allows us to connect as we are. Three parts that breathed in part is the part that allows us to connect to God as being created by Him. So that's what I wanted to say about that. 1:02:31 Pastor Bill: Yeah. Let me look up something right quick that just dawned on me. I don't want to say it and then it'd be a bunny trail, wild goose chase. Right. So Psalms 42. And if we start at verse five why my soul are you so dejected? Why are you in such turmoil? Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him, my Savior and my God. I am deeply depressed. Therefore I remember you from the land of Jordan and the peaks of Herman, from Mount Mizar. Deep calls to deep in the roar of your waterfalls all your breakers and your billows have swept over me. The Lord will send his faithful love by day his song will be with me in the night a prayer to the God of my life. So that's the verse that I've heard preached where it's talking about the deep within David, his soul, his spirit. He's comparing that to God as being the same type of being the other Deep. Deep cries out to deep on twitch says the other Abrahamic. Faith still equate the first breath a baby takes as a soul entering the body. My Islamic friend D, when we had talked about this, he talked about the heartbeat after ten weeks was when his faith taught him that was when the baby had a soul. And so I don't know if that was just his particular sect of Islam, but yeah, his group very much believed that the baby had a soul before it took its first breath outside of the body. But yeah, the Jewish faith for a very long time, not so much anymore, because Jewish faith is more secular now than it was before. But the Jewish faith itself believed for a very long time that the first breath a baby takes is when it becomes a living being. Which is why you find scriptures that talk about if you're getting into a fight and you accidentally hit a pregnant woman and the baby dies, then you just owe reparations to the family. It's not considered murder. It's just considered you offer them reparation is because they believed that it wasn't a living spiritual being until it took its first breath. Now, we believe a lot of what modern Christianity believes about when a baby becomes a living being is based off of scriptures that talk about God forming the baby in the womb and God knowing you before you're born. All of these things lead to the belief that, well, that baby is a living being that has a relationship with God and there is a deep crying out as deep already from within the womb. And so it's an issue that everyone has to deal with on their own, between them and God. Not saying that in a judgment way. I'm saying that in a literal, I trust you to work out between you and God what you believe on that issue and how you're going to handle yourself and your life, and you will, no matter what, always find love and acceptance from this guy. I wish there were better resources in this country, in this world to prevent unwanted pregnancies, to prevent rape and incest, to prevent hungry children, to prevent women getting pregnant when they didn't want to, when they weren't ready. And we don't live in that world. We just don't. And I can't, at the one hand, say one thing and then the other hand condemn someone who's a victim of the systemic world that we live in that found themselves in a bad situation either. So, anyway, I totally didn't intend to talk about those type of topics tonight, but we kind of touched on that a little bit there. All right. The Berean Manifesto is a weekly podcast that comes out on Wednesday nights at 07:00 p.m. Central Standard Time. 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Did you have any final thoughts you wanted to tag on here at the end before we no, not really. Okay. 1:09:37 Pastor Newms: I think the important ones we talked about. Yeah. 1:09:45 Pastor Bill: Okay. All right. We love you guys, and we hope you have a great week. 1:09:49 Pastor Newms: Be safe out there. 1:09:51 Pastor Bill: And until next time. Bye.

  Summary Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the chapter breakdown of the bible, stating that it is often split up like bad television, with no real reason for it. They acknowledged the need for it in order to make it easier for churches and groups to talk about, but were still frustrated by it. They then moved on to discuss Genesis two, which Pastor Bill noted should technically be the end of chapter one. They then discuss the poetic implications and deeper meanings behind the words of Genesis one, before moving on to talk about the start of chapter two. Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the translation of Genesis 2:1-3, which states that God completed His work on the seventh day and rested, declaring it holy. Pastor Newms mentioned the Greek Old Testament, which is the one Paul used when he wrote the New Testament, reads that God had completed His work on the sixth day and rested on the seventh day. However, the majority of manuscripts say that God completed His work on the seventh day and rested on the seventh day. Pastor Newms suggested that the NASB translation bridges the gap between the two translations. Pastors Bill and Newms discussed the idea of God resting on the seventh day. They looked at two different manuscripts that present the idea differently, but are not contradictory. The first one Sez that God finished his work on the sixth day and then rested on the seventh day, while the other one Sez that he completed his work by resting on the seventh day. They also discussed a conversation they had with a Muslim gentleman who scoffed at the idea that God would need to rest. Pastor Bill explained that the Bible does not say that God needed to rest, but that he chose to rest. The conversation discusses God resting on the seventh day, as described in Exodus 30:17. Pastor Bill explains that the Sabbath is not a legalistic observance, but rather a day of rest and refreshment to help people reset and refocus after six days of work. He further explains that research has shown that a day of rest is essential for the human mind in order to prevent it from schisming. The day of rest is an opportunity to reset and recharge in order to do one's best work. Timestamps 0:21:29 Conversation Summary: Exploring the Meaning Behind Genesis One and Two   0:25:20 Conversation on Genesis 2:1-3: God's Rest on the Seventh Day   0:26:42 Heading: Exploring the Meaning of the Sabbath in the Bible   0:30:22 Conversation on the Significance of the Sabbath Day   0:33:54 Conversation on the Importance of Rest and Self-Care   0:40:34 Conversation on Self-Care and Rest: Taking Time for Yourself   0:43:10 Conversation between Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms on the Importance of Resting and Manual Clocks   0:45:14 Conversation between Pastor Newms and Pastor Bill on the Brian Manifesto Podcast   0:48:53 Heading: Podcast Discussion on Meeting Over a Meal and Feeding People   0:50:14 Conversation on Tennessee's Political Climate and Drag Queen Story Time   Transcript [0:00:00]  Pastor Bill: He's got a roll of toilet paper on top of his head with the sheets draped down over top of his face. [0:00:07]  Pastor Newms: You haven't said hello and welcome. This is going to get edited out. [0:00:12]  Pastor Bill: Oh, man. Hello, and welcome to season four, episode twelve of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and Pastor Newms with a roll of toilet paper on top of his head has joined, as always. [0:00:30]  Pastor Newms: Lies. Go back and watch the Twitch. There is not a toilet paper roll on my head. [0:00:34]  Pastor Bill: He took it off as I was doing the intro because he was like, you haven't done the intro yet, so I'm cutting this part out where they're not going to hear you telling them, I've got a toilet paper roll on top of my head. [0:00:44]  Pastor Newms: I never said most of that. [0:00:50]  Pastor Bill: All right, maybe you didn't use all those words exactly. [0:00:54]  Pastor Newms: That's why I said most of that. Some of those words were words I used. All right, Pastor Bill. [0:01:02]  Pastor Bill: All right, pastor Newms, how was starting with your week? [0:01:05]  Pastor Newms: No, I already said it. [0:01:11]  Pastor Bill: How was my week? This was spring break for our kids. [0:01:15]  Pastor Newms: Well, two weeks, really, because we didn't do last week because it was yo mama's birthday and Sez, his birthday, and Groggy's birthday. [0:01:30]  Pastor Bill: I don't remember the week before this last one that we just had. I don't remember it. [0:01:38]  Pastor Newms: I just turned your face off. I didn't turn your face off. No one saw that. [0:01:43]  Pastor Bill: Um, the Gergs Theater competition, they got perfect marks all across the board. All three judges in all categories. [0:01:59]  Pastor Newms: Yay. [0:02:00]  Pastor Bill: They're moving on to what's called bi-district. [0:02:03]  Pastor Newms: Bi-district. [0:02:05]  Pastor Bill: That's called bi-district. [0:02:08]  Pastor Newms: See that right there? That right there is what happens when you have independent school districts and not just counties, where you got to do by districts in order to then have regionals after that. That's insane. You got too many schools in that state. [0:02:25]  Pastor Bill: Technically, it's bi-districts. And the top two schools from each of those go on to state. [0:02:35]  Pastor Newms: They don't just call those regional. [0:02:38]  Pastor Bill: No bi-district. [0:02:40]  Pastor Newms: I hate Texas sometimes your guys' independent school districts are like the bane of everyone else's existence. You all are just special out there. [0:02:53]  Pastor Bill: It's the UIL that administers it all. The University Scholastic League. They organize all the football, everything. And they organize all the education competitions and all the band competitions, all the choir competitions. They organize all that. So they make all those calls. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So that happened a week before last, and then this last week was spring break, like I said, for our kids. And you'd think that would make life easier, not having to get up every morning and take the kids to school. But no one grandma wants kids on some days and the other grandma wants things on some days. And I'm running all over town trying to get things done during spring break. Because the kids are wanting to do all kinds of things. I like all that, though, is Hello Fresh was running a Hulu promotion and I was able to get like six meals for four persons per meal for like 90% off because it combined the Hulu promotion with like a first time buyer promotion. And so we ate some really good recipes this week. That was fun. [0:04:28]  Pastor Newms: Okay. [0:04:29]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. So how was your week? [0:04:33]  Pastor Newms: I'm going to do the thing you're never supposed to do and touch your microphone because there's something on it. It looks like a cat hair, and it's driving me batty because it's right out of the corner of my eye. 1 second. I feel like you need to talk. [0:04:43]  Pastor Bill: I'm sitting too high. [0:04:46]  Pastor Newms: I feel like I'm not sitting high. [0:04:48]  Pastor Bill: Enough, like more than my head should be going or something. But if I move my camera, the clock here is going to be in the wrong place. The clock is supposed to be done. [0:05:02]  Pastor Newms: Okay. How was my week? So my two weeks was pretty good. It's been an eventful two weeks. Last weekend we had a church work day during on a Saturday. And that is more how you normally sit. Yes. [0:05:20]  Pastor Bill: And. [0:05:26]  Pastor Newms: It hurt the church work day? Yeah. Just because there's so much I got some physical issues. We all know I've got some physical issues, right? And so, yeah, it was rough. Some of the I worked real hard because it's church work day. So I got in there and was like, get it. And then I was like, get it. And I slightly twisted my knee, which is not uncommon. This isn't like, oh, Newms. Is getting old and injured. No. I've been twisting my knees since I was 14, so it made me stop playing sports. Was knee pain. Knee pain is normal. [0:06:23]  Pastor Bill: Like me spraining my ankles. [0:06:24]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, exactly. Or like Zaydie spraining her stepping wrong and popping her foot. And then she swings her foot around to repop it because she sprained them so many times that they just it's like a pop and lock Barbie. [0:06:39]  Pastor Bill: Pop and lock Barbie. [0:06:42]  Pastor Newms: No, she freaked out her coworkers because it happened the other day and her ankle popped. She goes, oh, that doesn't feel right, and swung it around and popped it and she goes, oh, that feels better. And they're all staring at her like wide eyed and like, this girl's a robot. She just popped her ankle at will to walk straight. I don't even know if she's on right now hearing me call her out because she's done her making dinner. So I don't think she's turned on the live, so ha. She won't even know I'm talking mess about her. He'll tell her. And so that was interesting. So then when you texted me and you were like, let's not have church to allow for oh, she's here. I was wrong. [0:07:26]  Pastor Bill: Your wife was here hearing you talk smack about her. [0:07:28]  Pastor Newms: When you were like, I was actually sitting at the table with Sez, and you were like, let's not let's celebrate birthdays. And I was like Sez, we're not celebrating, so I love you, and I'm going to bed early. He's not listening to us. I can see his screens. He's watching YouTube. Anyway, so that was good. And then this week was busy. Just been very busy. I just feel like I'm just busy all the time right now, and I don't like it, but it's good. We had a close friend of ours mother passed, and so we had went to her funeral in Memphis yesterday to support him. And that's, of course, real emotional because they were super close, so that was rough. And then went out to lunch with friends today, which is also weird because I don't do things like that. So I was emotionally more than drained. And so I just went to bed. When I got home, it's been a day. [0:09:06]  Pastor Bill: I'm up, and I'm headed up there. [0:09:09]  Pastor Newms: Zaydie actually ran to the store, and she comes and I partially hear something, and I'm like, Whatever. No, he has to get up. And then they're coming in my room. [0:09:28]  Pastor Bill: No, you have to get up. [0:09:29]  Pastor Newms: It's this time. And I'm like, so, yeah. So that's what's going on. That's how my week was. Is it your week to read a card or my week? I think it's your week. [0:09:48]  Pastor Bill: It is my week to read a card. And I have my deck here ready to pull one. All right, here we go. How much would someone have to pay you to eat a live spider? [0:10:09]  Pastor Newms: Well, Biggs just threw up in his mouth. Almost guarantee that. [0:10:21]  Pastor Bill: A live spider. [0:10:22]  Pastor Newms: How Biggs of a spider are we talking? Here comes the qualifying questions, where newoms hustle lawyers, way out of everything qualifiers. [0:10:28]  Pastor Bill: Every time you're like, now, you'll see the spider here in question. [0:10:35]  Pastor Newms: So, like, if we're talking, like if we're talking, like, some little, like, spider, we're talking like I do it for you. [0:10:45]  Pastor Bill: Talking about the little tiny ones that you already eat twelve of a year or whatever it is while you're asleep. [0:10:50]  Pastor Newms: See, that's inaccurate. That's not what it is. So that's an average, not a median or a mean. What that means is there's one dude who he's eating them all the time. [0:11:02]  Pastor Bill: He's eating them all the time in his sleep. He lives in the spider den. [0:11:05]  Pastor Newms: Thousands of spiders just go in and out of his mouth every day. So the rest of us, we don't eat any. That's how I take that. Yeah, that's how I process that, because it counts. Australia with us. [0:11:18]  Pastor Bill: You just skew the data until you feel comfortable. [0:11:21]  Pastor Newms: That's right. As Biggs says, there is not enough money in the world. Okay? So if we're talking, like, a little spider did it say live? Did it say it had to be alive? [0:11:31]  Pastor Bill: No, not live. I don't think it said live. Did it say alive? [0:11:36]  Pastor Newms: I don't remember. [0:11:38]  Pastor Bill: Oh, yeah, it says live. [0:11:39]  Pastor Newms: Okay. [0:11:39]  Pastor Bill: A live spider. [0:11:40]  Pastor Newms: So if we're talking like a little spider, like this spider, like that spider, like a real little spider, like that kind of spider. You see what I mean? Look at the camera. Like that. We're talking about that. [0:11:50]  Pastor Bill: I see it. [0:11:54]  Pastor Newms: I'd do it for a couple of grand. [0:12:00]  Pastor Bill: Now, my only qualifier here is two things. One, is this a poisonous spider? I'm going to get sick and fade it. [0:12:11]  Pastor Newms: Well, poisonous or venomous? [0:12:14]  Pastor Bill: Well, venomous. It affects me when it bites me. Poisonous. I get sick when I bite it. [0:12:19]  Pastor Newms: But I don't want venomous either, because it could bite me in the process. [0:12:22]  Pastor Bill: Of me eating it. Well, that's why you start at the butt first and bite it in half so that it dies, so it can't bite you on the way down. [0:12:29]  Pastor Newms: You got to then hold the front. [0:12:30]  Pastor Bill: Of it right where its fangs are. Just chill. There's ways to hold spiders. Okay? One, is it poisonous? And two, is this something that people normally eat because it's got a good flavor, or is it going to be nasty as I all get out of my mouth? Those are my two qualifiers. Now, if it's not poisonous and people enjoy eating it, I'll just do it for a dare. No, if people don't I'm going to need at least, like, $10. [0:13:06]  Pastor Newms: No, homie. No. [0:13:10]  Pastor Bill: Listen, brother. [0:13:12]  Pastor Newms: No. [0:13:13]  Pastor Bill: I've eaten a peanut butter and maggot sandwich just for role play. [0:13:19]  Pastor Newms: I understand that. That's different maggots are nutritious. Like, that's different. Spiders are spiders are nutritious. You can't no. Have you seen the TikTok where the lady dips it and I got salsa and then eats it silky? [0:13:36]  Pastor Bill: That silky texture on the inside when all that webbing comes and the ichor. [0:13:42]  Pastor Newms: No, dude, get out of here. We're not friends no more. This is the last episode of The Berean Manifesto, faith, hope, and love for the Christian of last week. [0:13:52]  Pastor Bill: Because Pastor Bill, isn't it ick-or? [0:13:55]  Pastor Newms: No, it's I-core. [0:13:57]  Pastor Bill: It's ick-or. [0:13:58]  Pastor Newms: I-core. [0:13:58]  Pastor Bill: I thought that was pronounced ick-or. [0:14:00]  Pastor Newms: I don't care how it was pronounced. It's icky, so it has to be an I. [0:14:04]  Pastor Bill: Like ick-or. [0:14:05]  Pastor Newms: No, icky. [0:14:06]  Pastor Bill: So ick-or. [0:14:07]  Pastor Newms: No, it's icky. So I-core. I have to be right on this. It's just how it is. I actually don't know. How do you pronounce icore? Just like I always say. No, not what what word is that? That's not a that that's some kind of, like, eldritch horror word that I looked up. How do you spell icore? I don't know how to pronounce I don't know how to spell icore to then ask how to say icore. How do you pronounce spider blood? Is it not I-core? [0:14:59]  Pastor Bill: It's I-C-H-O-R. [0:15:01]  Pastor Newms: But that doesn't nothing goo. [0:15:06]  Pastor Bill: It is a noun that is pronounced okay. I-core. [0:15:08]  Pastor Newms: All right, here we go. Ready? Here we go. Here we go. [0:15:12]  Pastor Bill: I-core I-core. [0:15:14]  Pastor Newms: Bam. I-core. [0:15:17]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, I-core. That's what I just said. [0:15:20]  Pastor Newms: I was right, you were wrong. [0:15:21]  Pastor Bill: I think that's what that pronunciation? [0:15:23]  Pastor Newms: I was right, you were wrong. I-core. Okay, Biggs, here's the problem. Best spider is a dead spider barbecue. [0:15:30]  Pastor Bill: So you're saying you need a dead. [0:15:31]  Pastor Newms: Spider, but not a live spider? Biggs, I know you ain't actually going to know. There's no way. I've seen you squeal like a little girl and run across a room as a six foot three factory worker. Like you are not out here trying to post on the Internet that you're going to eat a spider. I call shenanigans. That's the word. I can say. [0:15:56]  Pastor Bill: So on the free Wiktionary for the word I-core. It's got pronunciations. I-core, I-kar and ick-or are the three different pronunciations. [0:16:14]  Pastor Newms: So read Psalms 22:16 and Isaiah 53:5. Thank you for chatting for the first time. We saw you join us last month, so welcome back. Posted a bunch of things called hyper creeps. And they're just spiders. They're just spider like little spiders. Just a whole line of little spiders. [0:16:33]  Pastor Bill: Just this hype creep on my end. [0:16:36]  Pastor Newms: They're little spiders. They're little spiders. [0:16:38]  Pastor Bill: Over and over again what these were to say. Psalms 22:16. [0:17:08]  Pastor Newms: It's an interesting aspect of life. Now, I'm just going to call you Read as opposed to saying your whole name each time. So neither one of us have a denomination per chance. And the Ecclesian House, which is the ministry that we are both from in this respect, is an interdenominational ministry. So we work with multiple people all the time. So neither one of us are in a denomination per se. The church I attend on Sundays is non denominational. And the church Pastor Bill attends is also non denomination, is technically interdenominational because he's the pastor of the church that you're currently at. [0:18:08]  Pastor Bill: This is the service of the church. [0:18:12]  Pastor Newms: So technically interdenominational. Now I lost my so Biggs would. [0:18:26]  Pastor Bill: Eat a dead barbecued spider. [0:18:30]  Pastor Newms: How much money, though? We talkin' Biggs because I'm willing to pay you some money to watch you have to eat a spider just because you said so. And we'll record it to put it on here just because you hate them so much. I want to know what amount of money to see if I can pull off getting it. And see, now he's going to give us some crazy amount of money that no one would ever do just so he doesn't have to. [0:18:51]  Pastor Bill: But we'll start a crowdfunding campaign of some kind. We'll figure it out or something. We'll start a kickstarter. We'll be like we'll give you pictures of Biggs trying to get the spider on a shirt, all kinds of stuff for the Kickstarter. We'll get the money. [0:19:17]  Pastor Newms: Oh, man. All right. Yeah, we're good. All right. [0:19:29]  Pastor Bill: You just wouldn't do it, Pastor Newms. You just wouldn't eat. [0:19:31]  Pastor Newms: No, I would. I said a couple of grand for a small one and a whole lot of money. It's going to depend on the size of the spider. Like, you're going to show me the spider and I'm going to be like, no. You talk about them Biggs old translators where it's going to take multiple bites and I can't just swallow it. You got me almost ready to cuss here. I know we keep it family friendly. There was this part but no. [0:20:02]  Pastor Bill: And they would have no weird things, right? [0:20:04]  Pastor Newms: No. [0:20:04]  Pastor Bill: And every time I always watch that, I would always be like, I don't see the issue. Just what's that word? Disassociate and eat it. Why can't you just disassociate? Just do it. [0:20:20]  Pastor Newms: Neurotypicals can't disassociate. [0:20:25]  Pastor Bill: It's not real. I would just disassociate. It's not real. It happened over there, and my brain is over here. I don't understand. [0:20:32]  Pastor Newms: No homie. No. I don't know if we can be friends. Like I said, this is the last episode of The Berean Manifesto. Thank you for joining. Hope you all have a good night. If anyone asks how the ministry died, it's because Pastor Bill said he would eat spiders. [0:20:51]  Pastor Bill: Pastor Newms couldn't handle that. [0:20:53]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, we have fought on air about all kinds of stuff and even more in our personal life. The breaking point was the argument of. [0:21:08]  Pastor Bill: Spider, the edibility of Arachnid. [0:21:16]  Pastor Newms: Oh, man. Okay. Yeah, we got to change the topic. I'm icky as I'll get out right now, we got to go, like, you got to change it to something. Let's talk about the actual stuff. Get to going. [0:21:28]  Pastor Bill: Get to go. Genesis. [0:21:29]  Pastor Newms: Okay, genesis two. Move on. Let's go. [0:21:32]  Pastor Bill: Since we started season four oh, Biggs. Come on. 2.5 million get real. Okay, so since we started season four, we picked back up in Genesis one, right? We started talking about Genesis One. We've talked a little bit about John 1, and we went all the way through the first chapter of Genesis. We talked about the history of the chapter 1 of Genesis and the origins and the Babylonian stuff and some of the Sumerian stuff. And we really did this overall look at why is this piece of text included in Genesis? What is its positioning in relation to everything else? And we went through kind of what are the poetic ramifications of the wording and the things they chose to say and what are the deeper meanings behind those words. When we talked about Genesis 1:1, and we were like, this isn't really just in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. It's this deeper, really profound thing. And if you haven't listened to any of that yet, take some time, go back and read the transcripts or listen to it right quick and then come back and listen here. If you want, if you don't - if you just want to pick up from where you are, that's cool, too. We can just pick up right here. So now we are picking up in Genesis, chapter two, previous years, which I. [0:23:08]  Pastor Newms: Would like to also state, I hate the chapter breakdown so much sometimes. [0:23:20]  Pastor Bill: Because Genesis chapter two, verses one through it should be chapter one, technically be the end of chapter one. [0:23:28]  Pastor Newms: We should not be acting like bad television that requires you to watch the next episode in order to understand the full story. Like, we should not be doing part. [0:23:40]  Pastor Bill: Twos, mid chapter written like bad television. [0:23:45]  Pastor Newms: It's split up like bad television, not. [0:23:47]  Pastor Bill: Written up like bad television. [0:23:48]  Pastor Newms: We've got chapters like 119. [0:23:51]  Pastor Bill: It was the producers. The producers did bad with Psalms 119. [0:23:54]  Pastor Newms: It's just page after page after page after page to make sure it's semi together. And then we're like, let's cut this off and put three verses on the next one. No, there's no reason for it. It's painful. It's painful. And I understand the need because when we're talking in churches and we're talking in groups and we're doing things like this, you can't be like, oh, I'm on page 47. What page are you on? Well, my page I understand some of the purpose behind it. It's just like and we can't really go back at this point and change it all. I know, but it's like. [0:24:27]  Pastor Bill: Maybe always frustrated me. Some Bible company could make a Bible with new yeah,. [0:24:33]  Pastor Newms: But then it wouldn't be standard, and it would cause issues across everything and you would never be able to bible just got rid of them. [0:24:37]  Pastor Bill: It was like, no, we're not even going to have them. We're just going to get rid of them all together. [0:24:42]  Pastor Newms: It's not that's not that's a that's a translation. That's not a translation. That's a paraphrase. And they plainly say, so we're not gonna, you know, and, you know, it's just one of those things. It's one of those things that we all know it happens. It's just this is one of those blatant. Not like, maybe not. This is like 123-4567. Move on to the next story completely. And you're just like, okay, now I'll let you continue because I won't complain no more about it today. [0:25:20]  Pastor Bill: All right, so let's go ahead and read Genesis chapter 2, verses 1 through 3. So the heavens of the earth and everything in them were completed on the 7th day. God had completed his work that he had done, and he rested on the 7th day. From all his work that he had done. God blessed the 7th day and declared it holy, for on it he rested from all his work of creation. Sounds a lot like a lawyer writ that, didn't it? Wrote that, doesn't it? [0:25:51]  Pastor Newms: Sometimes. [0:25:53]  Pastor Bill: Now some text like the Greek Old Testament, the one that Paul had when he was writing the New Testament. Not all of the New Testament when he was writing his works that got put in. The new Testament actually reads, on the 6th day, God had completed his work that he had done, and he rested on the 7th day. But the majority of manuscripts say on the 7th day, God completed his work that he had done and he rested on the 7th day, which I find interesting. [0:26:28]  Pastor Newms: The Nasb says by the 7th day to kind of, I think, bridge that gap. Maybe, but I mean, it's one of those things. [0:26:42]  Pastor Bill: Let's see what the KJV pulls from. [0:26:48]  Pastor Newms: And on the 7th day yeah, but. [0:26:52]  Pastor Bill: The and on the are implied, not actually in the original. [0:26:58]  Pastor Newms: Right. [0:26:59]  Pastor Bill: And they are not given any numbers from yeah. Right. So we have two different Ideologies that we can pull from the two different ways that the manuscripts place these. Right. So the one says, on the 6th day, God finished his work and then he rested on the 7th day. And we have the other one that says on the 7th day, God completed his work by resting. Yeah, and that's the only difference. The difference there is that in one point of view, it views the rest as integral to the work. And on the other one, it says that the rest was taken because the work was done. Right. And so these aren't exclusive ideas. These are two ways to look at the exact same thing that's going on. They're not contradictory to each other. [0:28:02]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, they're definitely not contradictory. They are different, but they are not contradictory. [0:28:10]  Pastor Bill: So in the past, in January, we talk about taking a Sabbath day and then we talk about tithing. And that's usually the only times that we hit on those two things. And this year we took a little bit of a different track. Right. We started in Genesis one, we started working our way up. So here we are at the Sabbath conversation because now it's coming up, right? [0:28:37]  Pastor Newms: Yes. [0:28:38]  Pastor Bill: So on the 7th day, God rested. Now, whether he rested because that was resting is the completion of the work, or he rested because the work was done, either way, that doesn't really matter in the way that you frame the way you read that. So I had a friend several years ago, not that we're not friends anymore, but we're not in contact anymore. It was a Muslim gentleman who went by the name of D. And we would have these conversations where we would talk about the differences between what the Bible said about certain things and what the Quran said about certain things. And we got into this conversation about creation and the six days versus the Quran's idea that it was millions and billions and years and more of the evolutionary timeline is what he attributed the Quran's teachings to. And I went through the six days and on the 7th day, God rested and he scoffed. He scoffed and he said, God is God. God doesn't need to rest. And I said, I agree. It doesn't say that God needed to rest. It doesn't say that God was tired. It Says that God chose to rest. [0:30:04]  Pastor Newms: Right. [0:30:04]  Pastor Bill: He rested. The question came up of why would God do that why would God rest? So let's turn to Exodus 30:17. [0:30:22]  Pastor Newms: Okay, I was just about to do that. [0:30:29]  Pastor Bill: Okay. And I'm actually going to start reading at 16, but 17 is the meat of why we're turning over here. Starting at 16, the Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant. It is a sign forever between me and the Israelites, for in six days, the Lord made the heavens and the earth, but on the 7th day, he rested and was refreshed. So God didn't need to rest, but he chose to rest and he was refreshed, right? That's what it says. Now, why would it choose those words, though? Because it all boils down to what is the Sabbath and why the Sabbath day is for us, right? It's a day of rest that we observe so that we can recharge, so that we can reset our mindset, so that we can refocus who we are and then move forward and do our best work. So it's not this legalistic thing, although some have taken it there, right? [0:31:53]  Pastor Newms: Yes. [0:31:54]  Pastor Bill: And it doesn't actually say if you go and you look at what the layout of what a Sabbath is, it doesn't actually say everyone has to Sabbath on the same day of the week. No, it says after you've worked for six days, take a day, refresh yourself, reset. And what we found in psychological circles in lots of different areas is that six days of work is a pretty hard limit for the human mind. When you get into the 7th day of work, the 8th day of work without a rest, you're starting to schism. You're not seeing things correctly, you're starting to see the world through weird blinders. Your body needs rest. And honestly, there's this push now for four days of work each week with three days off, because now we're talking not necessity, but now we're talking about what is the peak of human, what is peak performance? Right? What is peak performance? And peak performance turns out to be four days of work and then three days off, you are on Twitch, who calls himself Read. And then there's a couple of verses there. You can go read those verses if you want. Psalm 22:16 and Isaiah 53:5, the references to the Messiah, he says, yeah, a lot of things Jesus did is theatrics and instruction for teaching for us so our dumb finite human minds can understand. You're right on the money. There's so much in the Bible that is an infinite God, an infinite amount of knowledge, trying to dumb it down for humanity to understand. Even in this example that you've given, it's funny to go and read. Jesus will say something and then the disciples would be like, yeah, but what about and Jesus is like, yeah, that's what I just said, but I'll say it again if you think that would help. [0:34:35]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, when we look at the Sabbath. It's something that we I it's important from a standpoint of resting. And God thought it was so important that when the Israelites were going through the time periods that were getting the commandments and all those things, as we were reading in Exodus, he put on rules of hey, look, you guys have got to understand this. If you don't understand this and you don't take your rest, you should die. Now, here's the funny thing about that. This is not a hard rule to follow per se. Like go take a break for most people is not hard. There are those stubborn people out there that they work, they do everything they do and they don't take a Sabbath. They will burn out over time, especially if you're working two jobs, as Zaydie mentioned. What about people who work full time and are involved in ministry outside? At what point is that a form of working? In my opinion it is you still have to have a day off from those multiple aspects because you will burn out otherwise. And I think a lot of times that's where we see people who work both regular jobs and ministry part time. Ministry work is never part time, but I think that's why we see them burn out often is we have to focus on resting also and it's so important. And that's one of those examples. What Zaydie is saying is where it is hard to those are the types of people who it is hard to take a break when you're doing when you're doing that. But it depends on what is refreshing, what is pulling away from you, which ministry often takes a toll on you, at least in an emotional level. But that's why a lot of pastors take Mondays off. But there are people who don't. And that is where you can have serious forms of burnout. You have to be very careful with that. [0:37:41]  Pastor Bill: But some ministry can be refreshing to some people. Some people would consider doing some types of ministry to be invigorating, to be refreshing, to be restful, to be The door greeter people, the door greeter. [0:38:01]  Pastor Newms: Those weirdos at the door. People that are like super happy. [0:38:05]  Pastor Bill: And when you go to do ministry, it feels like work. Then you're not resting, you're not taking a Sabbath, you're working on the Sabbath. If you're working a full time job and then volunteering at your church too, to the point where you're not getting a day a week off, then you're not taking care of yourself, which is in my opinion, a cardinal sin. You have to take care of yourself. You're sinning against yourself in the name of whatever ministry that you're serving, which is dangerous. Jesus said love the Lord God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, right? So you're supposed to love yourself, which means take care of yourself. Don't feed yourself poison, don't be drinking in excess and killing yourself off. Don't be smoking in excess and killing yourself off. Take care of yourself. Don't be shooting up all the time and hurting yourself and being promiscuous and getting STDs and all the things that aren't actual self love. Don't be doing all those things. Take care of yourself. Love yourself. Give yourself a Sabbath, actual love for yourself, and then love your neighbor in that same way. Make sure your neighbor is fed healthy. Make sure your neighbor is not becoming a slave to drugs. Make sure your neighbor's not being eaten up by addiction and doing things that are destructive to their life. These are the greatest commandments here. Love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, all your mind, your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. [0:40:01]  Pastor Newms: I like to love yourself, yeah. [0:40:05]  Pastor Bill: No, you like to ignore the love yourself part. Most people do. A lot of churches do because they think they look at self love and they go, oh, well, self love is self indulgence. You're not supposed to self indulge. Well, that's not love. If I love my kid, I'm not going to 24 hours a day, seven days a week be shoving candy down their throat. That's indulgence, but that's not love. If you love yourself, then you're taking care of yourself. Like I was talking about last week, I like to have a salad a day. Makes me feel healthy. I have more energy, my body works better. That's taking care of myself. That's loving myself. And so I take that seriously, and this is just as serious. Finding time to rest and reset and refocus yourself is a paramount thing. And it is important for all human beings to have rest and refreshment. It just is. Yeah, gosh, I don't know what else to say. [0:41:26]  Pastor Newms: And there's nothing so in what we've been doing as we've gone through this. There's nothing super different about the Hebrew words used here either. [0:41:46]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, I knew there wouldn't be. [0:41:48]  Pastor Newms: Yeah. I'm just saying that for everyone else, in case they're like, we talk about the words this time. [0:41:55]  Pastor Bill: Why did we talk about the words? [0:41:57]  Pastor Newms: And it's because they are there's not. [0:41:59]  Pastor Bill: Going to be in this one. [0:42:03]  Pastor Newms: It's what we've talked about throughout the last weeks of this is what it is. [0:42:12]  Pastor Bill: And there's the plural. There still it's God. Not God. We're actually still technically in the Babylonian adaption. We're still adapting the Babylonian text there. We haven't actually gotten to what was originally the beginning of Genesis yet, not until we get to verse four of chapter two, and then we get to the actual first Jewish text of the Bible. And we talked about the 7th day manuscripts versus the 6th day manuscripts as far as verse two there of chapter two is concerned. But yeah, you have to find time for yourself to rest. [0:43:05]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's super important. Resting is important. [0:43:10]  Pastor Bill: And you'd think we had a two day weekend in the United States because people understood that but no, that's not why we have a two day weekend in the United States we have a two day weekend in the United States because it's illegal to buy cars on Sundays. No, that's literally why letting people off on Saturdays came through. [0:43:37]  Pastor Newms: It was illegal. [0:43:40]  Pastor Bill: It still is in Texas. [0:43:42]  Pastor Newms: Right? In Texas, but not everywhere. [0:43:44]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, not everywhere. [0:43:46]  Pastor Newms: Did Pastor Bill forget to spring Pastor Bill? Your time is wrong. [0:43:52]  Pastor Bill: Where? [0:43:52]  Pastor Newms: On your clock. [0:43:55]  Pastor Bill: Well, okay. [0:43:58]  Pastor Newms: Biggs just called you out on it. [0:44:01]  Pastor Bill: It's a manual clock. I forget that I even own a manual clock anymore. [0:44:06]  Pastor Newms: I was like, what do you mean? Biggs like, he's here. What are you talking about? Yeah, and then I looked behind you and was like, his clock's wrong. [0:44:17]  Pastor Bill: Every other clock I own, every other clock I own except for in my car is automatic. Automatically changes. Yeah. [0:44:31]  Pastor Newms: I don't have anything else. [0:44:32]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, I was trying to think of if I had any other anecdotes, but I don't. Only a story about D, but that relationship got weird about the third time he tried to convert me to Islam. It got really uncomfortable. [0:44:54]  Pastor Newms: And also there was issues with the business, wasn't there? Like some weird stuff happened or something? Because I remember I went by one time and it was gone. [0:45:06]  Pastor Bill: I mean, he had a hard time getting customers to come in. Yeah, I don't know why. The food was amazing. [0:45:14]  Pastor Newms: Food was really good. [0:45:17]  Pastor Bill: Food was for a while there was an uptick in people that came in, but then it kind of died back down again. I don't know. [0:45:25]  Pastor Newms: So good. Those were great. [0:45:28]  Pastor Bill: He ended up selling it to a lady in Irving and then they moved back to Canada. Yeah. [0:45:42]  Pastor Newms: Well, the Berean Manifesto is recorded live in front of a studio audience. There's no studio audience. It's a Twitch audience. [0:45:49]  Pastor Bill: It's a virtual studio. And it comes out every Wednesday at 07:00 p.m.. Great. [0:45:58]  Pastor Newms: You said Canada. [0:46:04]  Pastor Bill: And to be fair, we do record it live on Sunday evening. Did I send you that TikTok where the person said, if somebody says to be fair and your friend doesn't respond correctly, then you're not friends anymore. [0:46:22]  Pastor Newms: No, now granted, that means you've watched a niche show from Canada, but niche not niche. Niche. What is niche? That is what is the Mitchar. [0:46:35]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. So we record this on Sunday nights at 06:30 P.m. Central Standard Time. And you can go to our website, Ekk.House, to find out which Twitch, which Facebook, and which YouTube channel you can go to to watch live and also participate in the chat. Like you've heard us responding to people in the chat as they've brought up points, and Zany brought up a good point. And our new friend with the read and the verses references brought up a good contribution to the conversation so you can actually be a part of the conversation. And then the podcast comes out on Wednesdays at 07:00 p.m. Pretty much anywhere you get podcasts. I haven't double checked that. We're on every podcast service in a while because there are a lot of podcast services, but we are syndicated on most podcast services, the Berean Manifesto. So if this has been enjoyable to you or you found this helpful, or you want to share the word of other people, you can go like and follow and share our stuff on social media. You can like and share this podcast wherever you've listened to it. That would really help us spread the word about what we're doing here and get more people to come to the live recordings, get more people to listen to the podcast episodes. [0:48:06]  Pastor Newms: So that way there's more feedback and build the community. [0:48:08]  Pastor Bill: More feedback, more community. [0:48:11]  Pastor Newms: And me and Zaydie were actually talking about this today that we used to before COVID and before life and before me moving to Tennessee and Pastor Bill being in Texas. We met over a meal and did this. Pastor Bill did a recording of the podcast. Everyone listened to the podcast, and then we met and talked, and then we put that out. Also, Zaydie was like, why can't we go back to eating during it? Because that was always good. I liked that. And I was like, because then the podcast would be me chewing, and no one wants to hear that. And she was like, oh, yeah, the podcast. So for Zaydie, this is the whole thing, really. And then for others, we have, as you all out there know and are joining us in podcast land. You all listen to us via that. [0:49:10]  Pastor Bill: And then feeding people was a lot of money. [0:49:14]  Pastor Newms: It was, but it was good. [0:49:15]  Pastor Bill: And that money has to come from somewhere. [0:49:18]  Pastor Newms: It does. [0:49:18]  Pastor Bill: So it's just kind of like and we don't ask for money. We just don't. We don't believe in it. If you want to give, you give. We're not going to try to extort you into getting you to give us money. We don't believe in that. And therefore, we have limited funds. And that's okay. It's not a big deal. All right, there you go. That's all we have for tonight. We're ending about five minutes early, but that's okay. That's not a big deal. [0:49:53]  Pastor Newms: No. [0:49:54]  Pastor Bill: So I love you guys. I hope you have a great week. [0:49:57]  Pastor Newms: Be safe out there, please. [0:49:59]  Pastor Bill: And until next time, too much craziness, please. You add it up, please. [0:50:04]  Pastor Newms: It's crazy out there right now. [0:50:07]  Pastor Bill: If you live in Tennessee, it is. If you live anywhere else, then it's just kind of the normal amount of crazy. [0:50:14]  Pastor Newms: I disagree with that. [0:50:16]  Pastor Bill: But Tennessee, man, I don't know what's going on with Tennessee. You've got legislators. [0:50:21]  Pastor Newms: I don't know what we're doing. [0:50:22]  Pastor Bill: Anti gay and then commenting on gay thirst traps on Instagram all at the same time. [0:50:29]  Pastor Newms: And we've got our national government trying to ban tiktoks while Biden is in tiktoks. [0:50:37]  Pastor Bill: That White House making. [0:50:41]  Pastor Newms: I honestly believe the other 49 states are just watching Tennessee going, all right, let's see how this pans out. [0:50:48]  Pastor Bill: Because, you know, Texas is going to. [0:50:50]  Pastor Newms: Be right behind as soon as with Abbott. But it's that aspect of, like, everybody's like, well, they're the idiots who did it first. Let's just see what they volunteered, got themselves into. All right? And that's enough of a 30 second buffer, so now we don't have to sing. [0:51:09]  Pastor Bill: Personally, I don't understand drag queen story time. Okay. I don't understand why they want to do it, the drag queens. I don't understand why they want to have that performance with children. I don't understand it's fine. But I'm not saying that it's weird. I'm just saying I don't understand the why of why they want to do that firing. They're not allowed to. [0:51:34]  Pastor Newms: It's doubt-fireing. [0:51:36]  Pastor Bill: He put it on everyone's mind. When you're a proclaimed Christian and you've come to a drag time story hour because you believe it's wrong and the Nazis roll up, literal Nazis with swastikas on their arms and they link arms with you and you're sharing the same message with Nazis, you're wrong. [0:52:11]  Pastor Newms: Pretty much anytime that you're joining with Nazis, it's typically you're wrong. That should be your wake up call. Really should really confuse on why it's not pulled up. [0:52:30]  Pastor Bill: The Christians should have dropped their signs and walked across the line in support of the people inside the library. Yeah, we should not be that's all kinds of wrong. [0:52:45]  Pastor Newms: Yeah. We should not be with Nazis ever. If anything, that should be your red flag. [0:53:01]  Pastor Bill: Like, Nazis are bad, period. Full stop. There's no qualifiers there. Nazis are bad, period. Yeah. Okay. And now I don't want this to get cut off. I would actually like you to leave all of that in there.

In this episode: Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss Genesis 1:24-25 from the Christian Standard Bible, in which God commands the earth to produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, wildlife, and creatures that crawl on the ground. They discuss the Hebrew word nehfesh, which is used to denote the soul or spirit of a living creature, and how it is used in the passage to describe the living creatures. They also discuss how the words for “whales” and “birds” were translated differently in the KJV and CSB, noting that in the KJV, the word for “whales” actually refers to a monster or sea serpent. Finally, Pastor Newms jokes that some fish are given a soul, but not all. Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the creation of the world as described in the Bible in Genesis. God created livestock, reptiles, and wildlife according to their kinds. God gave them their portions and saw that it was good. They discussed how God personally made the things, rather than just commanding them to exist. They further distinguished that God saw that it was good, rather than looking within himself and recognizing it. Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the breakdown of two verses from the Bible, Genesis 1:24-25. In these verses, God creates various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declares them to be good. The authors note that the creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man, as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. They also highlight the special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. Pastor Bill then delivers the topic according to AI, where he fed the viewpoints of seven different commentaries into Chat GPT and got a synopsis on what they all cover. The pastors also talk about the Wizard of Oz reference in the episode title. Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the lack of mention of dinosaurs in the book of Genesis. Pastor Newms explains that this is likely because the text was written by Babylonians, who would not have known of dinosaurs since they were extinct by that point. Pastor Bill then points out that some theologians have narrowed the descriptions of 'great beasts' in the Bible to modern animals. Pastor Newms adds that if we look at the Bible from the standpoint that everything was created at the same time, dinosaurs would be considered creeping things or monstrous sea creatures. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that Genesis one is likely a retelling of the story with added in details from the rest of the book.   Timestamps: 0:26:18 Conversation Summary: Genesis 1:24-25 0:30:59 Conversation on the Creation of Livestock, Reptiles, and Wildlife in the Bible 0:33:56 Conversation Summary: 6th Day of Creation in the Bible 0:40:29 Conversation Between Pastors Bill and Newms on the Absence of Dinosaurs in Genesis One 0:43:15 Conversation on the Babylonian Account of Creation in Genesis One 0:48:58 Heading: The Weaponization of Scripture: A Conversation on Creationism and Apologetics 0:50:33 Conversation on Faith and Science    Transcription: [0:00:00]  Pastor Newms: Face Live. [0:00:02]  Pastor Bill: Face live. You can see my awesome shirt. This is one of the shirts my mama got me for my birthday. [0:00:09]  Pastor Newms: I see a shirt. Yes. [0:00:11]  Pastor Bill: My wife says it looks like a hotel quilt pattern on the shirt. [0:00:18]  Pastor Newms: I don't think it's the hotel quilt, but it is definitely. If it was beige, I would agree that it looks like the curtains. That says several hotels I've got, but I haven't seen a blue like that. I mean, if the material is right, it's a good shirt. Material ain't a good shirt. [0:00:34]  Pastor Bill: I like it. [0:00:36]  Pastor Newms: It's one of those things, really, to a certain degree. We're at the age where it's like, does the design truly matter? [0:00:46]  Pastor Bill: No, comfort matters. That's what matters. It's all about comfort, folks. Yeah. It's like, let nobody lie to you. [0:00:59]  Pastor Newms: But yes. So, Pastor Bill, how was your week? [0:01:04]  Pastor Bill: My week was pretty good, as you know. We took last Sunday off. We didn't record a new podcast last Sunday. Not only was it the littlest shay's birthday, like, straight up, his birthday proper, but then the Super Bowl. So we hung out, enjoyed his birthday, we watched the Super Bowl commercials. The second half of the Super Bowl was quite compelling. The Eagles were putting up a crazy defense, and it wasn't enough, but it was entertaining enough that it caught my attention. [0:01:49]  Pastor Newms: That is crazy. I did not even watch the commercials. I didn't even watch the commercials. Yeah, I straight up. Just nothing this year with it. [0:01:59]  Pastor Bill: The highlights of the commercials were there were a lot of big-name faces. [0:02:05]  Pastor Newms: Oh, really? They went that route? [0:02:07]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. And QR codes. [0:02:10]  Pastor Newms: Really? [0:02:10]  Pastor Bill: Almost every company had a QR code in the commercial. Aren't we like this now? [0:02:16]  Pastor Newms: Like five years past that? Like, where are we? [0:02:19]  Pastor Bill: And actually, they're finally catching up to the rest of us. [0:02:23]  Pastor Newms: As far as QR codes aren't QR cards already dead? [0:02:28]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, they died about ten years ago, and corporations are just now getting there to the pre-death of QR code. That's funny. [0:02:40]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, that's so funny. [0:02:45]  Pastor Bill: What else do you do? I spent a lot of time working on some social media marketing for a book publication that came out that I wrote a short story that got put in. So I spent a lot of time working on that. That's about it. Hanging out with the family, and working on marketing stuff now. [0:03:08]  Pastor Newms: I didn't understand what it has to do with strawberries. [0:03:16]  Pastor Bill: One of the stories in the anthology is The Selection of a Sacred Strawberry. So they should name the whole collection of stories after that one. Either that was their favorite or I don't know, something that's the main one, or something, I guess. [0:03:36]  Pastor Newms: I mean, I've never particularly been fond of strawberries or sweet bread, and I'm not big on festivals, but it's one. [0:03:46]  Pastor Bill: Of those things he's quoting from the short story or talking about the short story that I wrote. [0:03:54]  Pastor Newms: You don't know that. You didn't send it to me. [0:04:00]  Pastor Bill: I sent you the name. I sent you all the pertinent information. [0:04:03]  Pastor Newms: You did not send me the short story, so how would I know? [0:04:12]  Pastor Bill: I didn't send you this one. You could have gotten it on Kindle or Unlimited. This one could have ordered like this. There you go. He's got a copy. My copy comes in tomorrow. [0:04:24]  Pastor Newms: Actually, I made Groggy go through. So at the beginning of the book, there's an excerpt, a little thing about each writer. [0:04:36]  Pastor Bill: Right. [0:04:37]  Pastor Newms: The weird thing is, one of three who their name is not in the first four words, so it almost makes it look like a second paragraph about the previous person. [0:04:59]  Pastor Bill: That's funny. [0:05:02]  Pastor Newms: But. [0:05:04]  Pastor Bill: A little 53-word biography that I've crafted for use in my. [0:05:10]  Pastor Newms: Guess would be so there's 28 literary pieces. My guess would be that's the winner winner. [0:05:22]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. I would guess there were three. They said the top three would get a free copy of the book and yada, yada, yada. So I'm guessing that was number one. Number one, yeah. [0:05:33]  Pastor Newms: I would think that was the selection. [0:05:34]  Pastor Bill: Of the sacred strawberry. But yeah, I don't know. I haven't read any of the other stories yet. [0:05:41]  Pastor Newms: I didn't either. I had no desire to. I found yours, I've read yours, and now the book will go on my shelf. Because I'm not a nice person. I might go back at some point, but let's be honest, I'm not going. [0:05:58]  Pastor Bill: To you spend $17 on a book. Why is it so high? Why is the price point so high? I don't understand. [0:06:10]  Pastor Newms: That's not that high for a book. [0:06:13]  Pastor Bill: Really? [0:06:14]  Pastor Newms: Yeah. That's moderate. [0:06:18]  Pastor Bill: What's up? How was your week, Pastor Newms? [0:06:23]  Pastor Newms: So my week was pretty good. We were actually sick. [0:06:33]  Pastor Bill: I'm sorry. [0:06:34]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it was humorous because when you texted me on Sunday, I actually had laid down to take a nap, which is not unsurprising for a Sunday, because, let's be honest, I love naps, so it's not unlikely for me to take a nap. So I had laid down last weekend this week. So Thursday I worked half a day at work. Friday I took off completely, and then I was sick all the way through. I was sick from Thursday to Tuesday, which is why I didn't fight you on the because usually when you tell me you're like, we're not doing it tonight, I'm like, Why? I mean, it's just a football. I would have said. I was like, I'm going back to bed. I was like, fine with me. I don't want it tonight anyway. [0:07:41]  Pastor Bill: Cool. I'm tired. [0:07:42]  Pastor Newms: I don't feel good. [0:07:44]  Pastor Bill: Sounds good to me. [0:07:46]  Pastor Newms: And then Zaydiee had a work trip this week, so she was actually gone from Thursday till, like, an hour before. They had a team building, like, work retreat they do every year, a retreat for the people that work across the whole company. So the high school, the elementary school, both the ELCS the baby centers, the whole nine, the whole company. And so they were in Gatlinburg, actually, from Thursday until, like I said, like 2 hours ago, I got home like I was eating up until when we started. The pre-thing. The downside between Zaydiee being gone and me getting over being sick, I played no games from like the Wednesday before I was sick. And I still technically have not launched an actual video game. So it's been like a week and a half because I've been like, you hadn't streamed anything. [0:09:09]  Pastor Bill: I thought that was odd, but I. [0:09:12]  Pastor Newms: Was like now there are two games, one of which I know I couldn't stream if I got early access to it. But there is one game where if you pay extra, you can get into early access. And it appears people are streaming it already as of two days ago. Now, I don't know if that is just because they're small streamers so they've got away with it, or if it's actually not under, because sometimes when you get into an early access, there's NDAs until it releases. Other games want you to they're like, yes, please stream it. [0:09:59]  Pastor Bill: Tag us, love us. Free advertisement building up to the launch. It's good buzz, right? [0:10:13]  Pastor Newms: I'm debating with myself still. My blanket is out of whack and it's bothering me. I'm debating with myself still on whether to get it or not. And if I get it, then I will start possibly streaming that. I'm currently supposed to be streaming another game, doing a joke run through the game, but a joke run. So the game that I've been playing and that says plays a lot of is a game based on the pathfinder RPG. It's actually a campaign setting and they built a game of it called wrath of the righteous. And there's different ways of playing the game. Like, there's different paths you can take and there's different endings and there's different every decision not every decision, but lots of decisions actually can affect the world. Like, if you make the wrong decision, your party members will just leave. They're like, no, this guy is a nut. We're out. So there's lots of different paths. You can take a demon path, you can take a devil path, you can take an angel path, you can take a legend path, which means you don't want to be truly special. You're just overpowered to be overpowered. And then there's a litch path and a swarm path, which is the lich path. Of course, several of your party members get very upset because becoming a litch is kind of a no-no. And then swarm. You're literally a living swarm. And so your party members leave because you keep eating people. And so there's all these different paths and things you can do. There's a lime, you're literally a group of insects, and you literally keep eating people. Please, I'm out. But there's options. Like, you meet people and you can be nice to them, or you can be mean, or you can use one of the special paths. You can be evil, you can be good because it's an RPG, so it's based on a tabletop RPG, so there's the Good evil, Chaotic Circle. So often there's an option of attack. Like, I don't want to talk to this person. This person's already annoyed me. They look funny. Whatever the reason, they're different situations. You can just choose to attack. And so I was joking with sez that it would be funny to do a run where you just attack every time you're given the option to attack. The first time you're given the option to attack people. [0:13:07]  Pastor Bill: And see, so it's a murder hobo run. [0:13:10]  Pastor Newms: It's a murder hobo run. Right, exactly. And see, by the end of the game, who's even around? But the funny thing is, the first time you come across two members, there's two party members, and you have to choose between the two of them because one ends up being evil. The first option for both of them is attack, but they both have plot armor where you don't actually attack them, and you're like, how many people actually have the plot armor in this game where attack is not actually a valid option? And so it's kind of wanting to see that. I might do some of that tomorrow, depending on what happens, because I am technically off all day tomorrow, so maybe I'll do some of that tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know what my plans are yet tomorrow. [0:14:04]  Pastor Bill: But Gerg, his one-act stuff, they want him there from 09:00 A.m. Till TBD or tb. [0:14:16]  Pastor Newms: His what's? [0:14:16]  Pastor Bill: Not to be determined. One act. The University of Interscholastic League theater thing in Texas. [0:14:27]  Pastor Newms: Oh, that thing he called me about? [0:14:29]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, the thing he called you back. They take one act of a play or modify a play into one act, and they just put on just that one act of a show, and it gets judged. Well, he's in it, and tomorrow they're like, well, we couldn't meet on Saturday for, I don't know, director at something. And then they're like, but we don't have school Monday, so if you can come, we'd like, everyone here at 09:00 A.m. The actors can leave at 2:30. But all of you like, tech and crew guys, just stay as long as you can. [0:15:07]  Pastor Newms: Just prepare to be there. [0:15:09]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, prepare to be there. I got to get up and drop them off at nine. At least I don't have to get up at the normal time tomorrow. I can sleep in a little bit and get him there at nine. [0:15:22]  Pastor Newms: Now the question is, does the Littlest actually let you sleep or is he still wakes up the moment of day and wakes you up? [0:15:33]  Pastor Bill: So the littlest has decided that Adeline is his best friend. So he wakes up. Adeline, when he gets up, he no longer comes and wakes daddy up. However, the puppy, if no one feeds her or lets her out, she will come and start whining and scratching at my door. [0:15:54]  Pastor Newms: Okay. [0:15:55]  Pastor Bill: So she doesn't let me sleep, but the little human does. [0:15:59]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, because I know there was a long time when you, like me. The littlest human would be like, hi, good morning. [0:16:05]  Pastor Bill: Get up now. Hi. Good morning. My son's awakened. So am I. [0:16:10]  Pastor Newms: You need to go somewhere? Well, that's fun. [0:16:19]  Pastor Bill: All right, well, now it's time for getting to know the pastors. [0:16:22]  Pastor Newms: I don't want to. [0:16:23]  Pastor Bill: And it's my time to pull a card. [0:16:25]  Pastor Newms: Oh, hey, I had something to ask you about this. No, you can still pull the card. I'm not going to tell you to not pull the card. No, you're good. I unpacked all my books. Right. [0:16:40]  Pastor Bill: Okay. [0:16:43]  Pastor Newms: I have a ton of youth resources from my parents, and they're right here in front of me on bookshelves. And several of them have, like, get-to-know-people questions and lists of things. And if we get through our cards or as we get, like, if we want something in between the two sets of cards, I found several books that would be they're just like they're conversation starters. They're getting to know the business person question from my mom. And I'm like, these might be awesome. They could be horrible. I have no idea. [0:17:35]  Pastor Bill: This could be awesome or really bad. [0:17:37]  Pastor Newms: So they could be better or worse than our cards. But I have some books that we can use as we run out of cards. Just so you know, don't go buy more cards until we see how those books are. But I have them right over there on the bookshelves, and I think it could be extremely humorous because they are. [0:18:05]  Pastor Bill: If you, me, were reincarnated okay. As a famous landmark, which would it be? [0:18:17]  Pastor Newms: Okay, wait. First off, there are many questions that must be asked. [0:18:25]  Pastor Bill: How qualification questions, as if the card gives me any kind of qualifiers. [0:18:34]  Pastor Newms: Okay, so the point of reincarnation. Well, no, I guess if you did timey wimey reincarnation, you could have been the famous monument the whole time. Also, but I don't like that. It's always weird to me. To me, a reincarnation, you're born into the next thing, not born into a thing that already exists. That always messes up in my head, because then how do you have memory? I don't like that card. [0:19:07]  Pastor Bill: Okay. [0:19:11]  Pastor Newms: I don't know, man. [0:19:13]  Pastor Bill: Which celebrity chef would you most like to make you dinner? [0:19:20]  Pastor Newms: Oh, okay. So I'm going to qualify this. I have one card down. Let's see how many cards we have to get through tonight. One thing you get to know about the pastors is pastor Newms is extremely picky. Okay. So for the sake of hanging out with me and I would just like to know the person would be Gordon Ramsay. Because I think it would just be funny to meet him because he seems like the kind of guy that I would enjoy because he's kind of a person. I was going the opposite side because I was about to say and I like people like that. But you went male appendage. And I don't like those very much. But as far as cooking, I don't think his cooking style is something I would enjoy eating. I would like to hang out with this guy while he cooks a meal thing. I think he'd be cool, but I don't know if I'd like his food necessarily. So if I'm going to go with someone like whose food I would eat, it's got to be like, a paladin or Rachel Ray or someone who does the good Southern cooking. I can't remember that one really large, fat chef guy that I used to like. Because if I'm going to have a famous chef cook me something, I want it to be good. [0:21:29]  Pastor Bill: Okay. So basically, I'm doing this. This means we're simpatico. We're all on the same wavelength, right? This hand thing, the hand gesture I'm making right now. So what we're saying here is we would like to cook a meal with Gordon Ramsay. Yes. And just be like, be in the kitchen. And he's, like, yelling at you like, no, you twit. You cut that half a stick. [0:21:52]  Pastor Newms: Exactly. [0:21:52]  Pastor Bill: But when it comes to sitting down to eat a meal that someone's cooked, it'd be something like Guy Fieri, where it's like this dripping burger with just grease everywhere. But it's like that Guy meal. [0:22:05]  Pastor Newms: I don't know about Guy Fieri because he booms spice a lot. And I'm not a super boom spice guy or bam spice, whatever it was. [0:22:13]  Pastor Bill: No, that's a different guy you're thinking about. I can't remember what his name is. This is the guy with the spiky. I thought that was that goes to the diners, the drive-ins, and the. [0:22:24]  Pastor Newms: No, I know, but I thought his whole thing before that was like the bam. No, that's somebody else. And, like, says, you never trust a skinny chef. Like I'm looking for you. [0:22:38]  Pastor Bill: Thinking of Emeril Lagasse. [0:22:40]  Pastor Newms: I'm thinking of Emeril. You're right. I am. No. [0:22:44]  Pastor Bill: So. Yeah. [0:22:44]  Pastor Newms: No guy. I was thinking for some reason that this is terrible. This is how much I watch cooking shows. Obviously never for some reason, I was thinking they were the same person. [0:22:57]  Pastor Bill: No, they're not the same person. [0:23:02]  Pastor Newms: But no. [0:23:03]  Pastor Bill: The best hamburger and French fries I've ever had was from the quote-unquote Guy Fieri kitchen on the cruise ship that my wife and I went on a cruise on. [0:23:15]  Pastor Newms: So his recipes, basically, yeah. [0:23:18]  Pastor Bill: It was the most amazing burger I've ever had in my whole life. [0:23:22]  Pastor Newms: Big sense. He wants the meal cooked by the cake guy. I wasn't even thinking of going there. That one show, I think it might be in Boston, but it's like cake Boss or something. And they do cakes. [0:23:43]  Pastor Bill: He just wants the whole cake. [0:23:44]  Pastor Newms: He just wants that guy to make a full meal, just several cakes like that. [0:23:48]  Pastor Bill: Biggs is all about the cake. [0:23:50]  Pastor Newms: Six courses of cake, six horses of cake. And biggs does not argue. [0:23:56]  Pastor Bill: He just responds, yes. He's like, yeah, that's what I want. [0:24:02]  Pastor Newms: There's not like a well, you know, what I meant was no, he's just. [0:24:07]  Pastor Bill: Straight up, that's what I meant. [0:24:09]  Pastor Newms: What I want, I would need a cake, bottle of acid of medicine and sodium, whatever. The other one I have to take the NSAIDs to be able to walk the day after intaking that much sugar, but I'll give it a shot. I drank a sweet tea by accident the other day, and it was so swollen up I could barely walk. The next sugar is not my friend no more. [0:24:40]  Pastor Bill: All right, so hello and welcome season four episode nine of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. [0:24:50]  Pastor Newms: Wait, did we really forget? And I'm joined by Pastor did we forget? [0:25:00]  Pastor Bill: Yeah. [0:25:02]  Pastor Newms: Well, how am I going to edit this now? [0:25:06]  Pastor Bill: I don't know. Pick a spot and start from there. [0:25:11]  Pastor Newms: How do we forget? Welcome you all to 25 minutes in, roughly, probably. We'll see where I actually start it, but wow. Okay. [0:25:33]  Pastor Bill: All right, so we're in our series in Genesis, and we're getting really close to the end of chapter one, just real close. So we're in chapter one, verses 24 and 25. And then next week we'll finish out chapter one, and then the week after that, we'll do a recap, basically, of the whole first chapter before we then go into chapter two. [0:26:00]  Pastor Newms: But did you forget to post something again on Spotify? [0:26:07]  Pastor Bill: I don't know. Spotify should be automatic. [0:26:12]  Pastor Newms: I was just asking because they said it, but it might be because we didn't do it last week. [0:26:18]  Pastor Bill: It might be. Okay, so Genesis, chapter one, verses 24 and 25. 24 says, and this is from the CSB, the Christian Standard Bible. Then God said, let the earth produce living creatures according to their kinds, livestock creatures that crawl, and the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so verse 25. So God made the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that crawl on the ground according to their kinds, and God saw that it was good. All right, so we're at a point in chapter one, if you've been listening and following along up to this point, that none of the words here should be that surprising. We've got God is that H430, which is the plural gods, and then said is actually more commanded like we've been seeing over and over again. Earth is to be firm, and then it says to go out, so to produce. But it's that act of spreading out. You produce and you spread out, right? You fill up the land. It's not just sit in one spot and make copies of yourself. It's spread living creatures is living flesh there. But then it's also breathing creatures. So they live and they breathe. And this is a neat counterpoint to what we've seen up to this point, because with the whales and the birds and all of that, they didn't actually say breathing creatures. They didn't use this term nehfesh H5315. It's the same kind of idea of what we were talking about, the soul or the spirit, the certain something that runs the psyche of a person, the personality, that kind of thing. They didn't use that word for whales and fish and birds. Not that they don't have personalities and they don't think it's just that I don't know. Either the author didn't think they did, or yeah, they did. I don't know. Did they use nehfesh? [0:28:49]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, in 21. [0:28:51]  Pastor Bill: I missed it in my notes. Well, it does, doesn't it? [0:29:01]  Pastor Newms: For birds, every living, it says an active mass. But for sea creatures, where it says whales know, but creature, it does. So it actually denotes the difference between large sea creatures and living creature that moves and swarms in the water. Which is interesting, because now, looking at whales and I missed this last time. So it's whales in the KJV, it's large sea creatures in the CSB. It actually means, which I don't think we talked about this. Yeah, it means a Kraken. It's a monstrance, a monster, a sea serpent, a jackal, a dragon. [0:30:03]  Pastor Bill: It's the same word they translate as Leviathan in Job. [0:30:07]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's a monster. It isn't just anyway, which, to be. [0:30:17]  Pastor Bill: Honest, early seafaring peoples that came across a whale, they would be like, what is that monstrous thing? [0:30:28]  Pastor Newms: And then birds, they don't use the same thing either. Birds, they use fowl. For some, they do. So you miss it in one spot. [0:30:41]  Pastor Bill: Not birds miss it in one spot. Some fish have a soul, but fish do. [0:30:48]  Pastor Newms: Some fish do, it appears, but not either. Languages are weird. All right, continue. Sorry, that threw me off. [0:30:59]  Pastor Bill: Livestock, which is H929 behemoth, which is a dumb beast. So cattle, any cattle, dumb beast that can include camels, cows, oxen, bison. You get the point. Then it talks about reptiles, and then it says, and wildlife. The wildlife there is basically fauna. Biggs Said no spiders, yet. Wildlife would cover all fauna. So that would be spiders, scorpions, everything that hasn't been covered yet that exists. That's where it came from, right there. That's when it was created. Okay? And then we get to verse 25, and it's still plural for God, the gods. And then it's awsaw ayth. Now, remember we've talked about ayth it means to personally do something, right? So it says God made, well, God personally made these things. He personally made the wildlife, the livestock, the creatures. He personally made those. It wasn't like when he just commanded something to exist. He actually commanded that it needed to exist, and then he personally made it and then gave them their portions, it says or when they translate that out, we say according to their kind. So God had this idea that, okay, you have this domain and you have this little domain, and you need to replenish and spread out there. You need to be fruitful. You need to multiply in your little area amongst your own little kind. Right? And so God saw that it was good, right? So we have to differentiate that. Once again, it is not God - like when he saw the light looking within himself and recognize it and going, oh, that's good. No, this is just God looking at it and saying, yeah, that's a good thing. That's good. Right? [0:33:30]  Pastor Newms: Because it is different. [0:33:32]  Pastor Bill: It's different. It's a different thing. In English, we say it's the same thing. We say the same way, it means the same thing. But then when we get to the original language, there it's a different thing. It's something different. All right, do you have anything else you want to say about the word-to-word breakdown there? [0:33:56]  Pastor Newms: No, not really. Not at that point. It's pretty self-explanatory. I mean, the words are the words. [0:34:14]  Pastor Bill: It's not rocket science. [0:34:15]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, these ones aren't super deep like some of it. These ones are kind of yeah. [0:34:25]  Pastor Bill: Basically what we're doing at this point is the author is just trying to get through everything that was created before. Where did my camera go? Okay. [0:34:35]  Pastor Newms: Nowhere. Don't worry about it. Where about yourself? [0:34:39]  Pastor Bill: I am worried about myself. That's my camera. [0:34:43]  Pastor Newms: If anything becomes full screen on that monitor, it makes you go away. [0:34:53]  Pastor Bill: At this point, the author is just trying to get through the rest of creation and has toned down the imagery and toned down all the background stuff because they're wanting to get to the humans. They're wanting to get to the actual point of why they're telling this story. So in the beginning, they were very much, this is the important stuff, this is the deep stuff. And then as the chapter progresses, they're like, okay, let's get back to the important stuff, but we got to fly off all these things to get there, right? All right, so now it's time for our this is only the second time we've done this. It's the topic according to AI. [0:35:44]  Pastor Newms: I was really hoping you were going to just leave this alone. [0:35:49]  Pastor Bill: Where I took all seven commentaries that I read and fed their viewpoints on these two verses into Chat GPT and had it spit back a synopsis on what they all cover. All right, are you ready? [0:36:08]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, if I'm ready. [0:36:10]  Pastor Bill: Okay, here we go. The 6th day of creation in the Bible is a significant event in the creation story as it highlights the preparation of the Earth with the arrival of humans. According to the Bible, God created various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declared them to be good. These animals were divided into three classes and made after their kind, each having its own unique species. The creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. The authors note that the creation of the animals demonstrates the benevolent purpose of God's work. The incompleteness of the earth with just lower creatures highlights the spiritual greatness of humans, despite their inferior physical qualities. Compared to the animal races, humans, as the climax of the earth's creation, are able to recognize the order and exert control over all other creatures, making them godlike and the King of the Earth. In contrast to the creation of the animals, the creation of humans is described as the masterwork and the end of all that has been done. According to the Bible, man's body was taken from the Earth, but his soul was from heaven, while the body and soul of beasts are wholly from the Earth. This distinction highlights the special relationship that animals have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. In conclusion, the 6th Day of Creation in the Bible emphasizes the important role that the creation of animals played in the preparation of the Earth for the arrival of humans. It also highlights the unique and special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. So there you go. There's the summary of the topic according to Chat GPT, based on the commentary entries from the seven different commentaries that I study as part of my preparation. Interestingly enough, we didn't have a dissenting opinion this week. The sermon Bible didn't go all evolutionary on us this time, which I thought was interesting. [0:38:46]  Pastor Newms: What I find interesting is the fact that we didn't actually talk about the humans. [0:38:56]  Pastor Bill: But you included them in 24 and 25 don't. Well, the commentaries for verses 24 and 25 talk about it. So that's where it got that from. [0:39:12]  Pastor Newms: I was like, that's odd. [0:39:15]  Pastor Bill: Yeah, I thought it was odd too. Says he can fix something for us if we like, but I don't know what. [0:39:24]  Pastor Newms: Don't worry about it. He's just being Sez, okay. [0:39:33]  Pastor Bill: All right. So that's verses 24 and 25, of Genesis one, where God makes all of those other creatures. The name of that episode was what? What did we name that? [0:40:02]  Pastor Newms: I don't remember. Let's go back to the Weekly. [0:40:08]  Pastor Bill: Livestock, Reptiles, And Fauna. Oh, my. Of course, I had to throw the omi. [0:40:12]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, I didn't understand the oh, my. I thought that was strange. [0:40:16]  Pastor Bill: Lions and tigers and bears. Oh, my. [0:40:22]  Pastor Newms: Still thought it was strange. [0:40:24]  Pastor Bill: It's a Wizard of OZ reference. Come on, man. [0:40:29]  Pastor Newms: Strange? [0:40:30]  Pastor Bill: Why is that strange? [0:40:32]  Pastor Newms: It's strange. [0:40:34]  Pastor Bill: You can say it's strange if you want to. Oh, I see. Says he can offer a dissenting opinion. Okay, so I have a question. There's no mention of dinosaurs in Genesis one. Why is that Pastor Newms? [0:41:00]  Pastor Newms: Well, as you mentioned, genesis one comes from the story as written by Babylonians. [0:41:09]  Pastor Bill: Correct. [0:41:11]  Pastor Newms: And. By that point, dinosaurs weren't walking around, right? [0:41:19]  Pastor Bill: No mention of dinosaurs because this is a text written by humans, right? [0:41:25]  Pastor Newms: In Job, there is a mention of a leviathan. It is the same word usage as sea creature that is used in Genesis. [0:41:38]  Pastor Bill: Technically, a unicorn also talks about a great beast with huge legs whose neck reaches to the sky. But modern theologians have narrowed those down to modern animals that we still have anyway. [0:41:59]  Pastor Newms: The other aspect is the fact that there's a couple of different aspects you could look at as far as dinosaurs go in the Bible. So there's the aspect of one, if we're looking at it from a standpoint of everything was created at the same time in the same way, in the exact same the way that most modern churches teach it. Dinosaurs would then be kept under creeping thing and sea ones would be under the monstrous Sea Creatures so they wouldn't spell them out any differently than any other form of lizard and or bird. They're just bigger. If you look at it from a standpoint of it's written by especially Genesis one is a retelling of the story based on added in later from what most of the rest of Genesis was written. It's the Babylonian. So you'd have to go back and ask them. [0:43:15]  Pastor Bill: I think the main real answer I'm trying to get at is this isn't dictated by God. This isn't God saying in the beginning, I and then I and then I this is mankind going, well, we believe that this is how it happened, right? And we're going, oh yeah, okay, I faith that and believe that, right? But this isn't God's account of creation. This is the Babylonian account of creation as adapted and edited by the culture of the Jewish people. So is it exhaustive? No. Is it scientific? No. Is it 100% accurate? Not any more than me trying to write a book about the Civil War. Yeah, I wasn't there, I didn't see it. I can recount the stories that have. [0:44:32]  Pastor Newms: Been told to me, right, and that's often, especially when you deal with the text that is not necessarily for religious study. These are stories that have been handed down and handed down and handed down and they were written down. Do I think they are mostly accurate to a certain degree, yeah. I think the generalized aspects are. I think when we look at the differences between Genesis One and Genesis Two, it gets a little funny, but we're not necessarily looking at that yet. That's not exactly what you're looking for at the moment. [0:45:29]  Pastor Bill: But at this point we're taking the text scripture by scripture and trying to let it stand on its own and build upon itself as if we haven't really seen what's coming yet. We don't know what's going to be said now for the most part. So we've grabbed on to some statements and gone, well, it seems like it's saying this not necessarily believing that. It means that even because we've read ahead in the book where they clarify certain things. Right, but that's all part of the process of learning and getting to the heart of what's there. But one of the things that really bugs me is this whole we get these arguments where people are like, no, it was this way, and other people were like, it couldn't have been that way. That's ridiculous. And they're arguing back and forth as if Genesis one was written from a first person point of view perspective by someone who was there. But it's not. It's a game of telephone. It's been repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated. What it is is a very good, firm-standing building block for the beginning of a religious viewpoint on the world and a religious study of God. It is not intended to be what's the word? A discourse on the actual steps of creation. That's not what it is. It's not intended to be that way. It can't be used that way. But people use it that way and they argue it that way. And I'm like, you choose by faith to believe it is that. And it's a very good thing to build upon in your faith and in your religious beliefs. But to then take it out of the Bible and try to argue it in a secular standing and go, well, no, this is an actual account of how things happened. The Bible doesn't even make that claim. There's the one time where Jesus says he mentions the seven days of creation. Right. And I didn't look it up ahead of this time because I didn't think about the fact that I was going to be quoting it. But even then, it's in the middle of a sermon where he's specifically talking to a religious group, and so it's not even used as a secular talking point at that point. I don't know, it just frustrates me that the Bible is intended for certain things, and to take it out of that context feels like demeaning. And undervaluing the text itself yeah, we. [0:48:58]  Pastor Newms: Have the New Testament that talks about all scripture is God breathed for the uses of teaching, preaching religious aspects, doesn't say to dictate historical documents, doesn't say. [0:49:20]  Pastor Bill: The word apologetics isn't listed in that list. And arguing with non-believers isn't in that list either. [0:49:29]  Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's definitely an interesting thing. When we look at how some people it's like the weaponization of certain areas of scripture. It doesn't make sense. There's no reason we should be weaponizing Scripture. [0:49:54]  Pastor Bill: So when my child asks me, is this how it happened? Is this how creation happened? What's my response? My response is, as far as our religious beliefs are concerned, this is the important things that happened in that reference. This is the list of the important things that happened in reference to your religion. My religion. That's my answer. [0:50:33]  Pastor Newms: How I usually would take it is the aspect of this is what is believed to the way it believed is. [0:50:43]  Pastor Bill: The key word there. Yeah. [0:50:47]  Pastor Newms: Is it perfect? No, because no one was there. We're basing it off the knowledge of having faith in our belief system. It's not complete. [0:51:04]  Pastor Bill: I get the same amount of frustrated and secular conversations when people will say, no, we know exactly this is how it happened. We know exactly that the Earth is billions of years, this many billions of years old, and that evolution happened exactly like this. It frustrates me there, too, because I'm like you. Don't you believe it based off this evidence and this evidence and this evidence? But you weren't there. No one was. You're making an educated guess and choosing to believe it. [0:51:40]  Pastor Newms: I mean, everything takes a certain amount of faith. It's just how honest is. [0:51:48]  Pastor Bill: An honest scientist will say, we've come to a pretty trustworthy hypothesis that this is what happened. And on that point I can go, Cool, tell me more about it. Because we're being honest, but on both sides, secular and religious, we need to be emphasizing more on the this is my belief, and less on making things into scientific fact that just aren't. Genesis one is not scientific fact. The Big Bang is not necessarily scientific fact. I know we can reproduce certain things that we theorize the Big Bang was like in a much smaller form in the hadron collider, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's actually what happened. It just means it is a plausible option for what happened. The fact that it can be recreated. [0:53:16]  Pastor Newms: This is close to what science believes because it's what makes logical sense based on our knowledge sense. [0:53:30]  Pastor Bill: All right, well, that's all we have for tonight. The Berean Manifesto is a podcast that comes out once a week, more or less. Sometimes we take a break, but we try to come out every Wednesday night at 07:00 P.M. Central Standard time. Wherever you get your podcasts from, if you enjoyed this episode or you think it might be enjoyable or helpful for someone else, like share, follow whatever it is on where you're getting your podcast so that you can make sure you don't miss an episode and so that other people can get our episodes as well. That helps it grow. We do record this podcast live on Sunday evenings at 06:30 P.M. Central Standard Time. And you can go to our website, EKK.House, to find out which twitch account, which YouTube account, and which Facebook account you could go to, to catch those live broadcasts. That's the word broadcast. And then you can participate in the chat. You can type it in what you want to say. And I keep discord here open in front of me. Pastor Newms keeps Twitch and Discord in front of him. And we can actually you can be part of the conversation like you've heard a few times tonight. We've referenced someone from the chat, participating in the conversation. And we welcome that. We welcome questions or concerns or dissent. We keep it clean, we keep it respectful, and we're not afraid to block people who are unwilling to be respectful. So keeping that a month. All right, so, Pastor News, if you don't have anything else for tonight, I'm going to say we love you guys and we hope you have a great week. [0:55:22]  Pastor Newms: Be safe out there. [0:55:25]  Pastor Bill: And until next time.

The takeaways from this episode:Literary context is essential, but literary context without deep regard for historical and cultural context  can give you a false sense of understanding what a passage means when in reality you're not being a very good "tourist" of scripture.We cannot assume that our plain reading  of the text is the same as the original audiences' plain reading of the text. What a passage means for us when we take it at face value is probably not what it meant for them when they took it at face value. Genesis 1 is a temple text.We need to find scholars who are experts in historical/cultural context and we need to read what they're writing. Some of my favorites  for OT studies are are John Walton, Michael Heiser, Tremper Longman, Gordon Whenham, and Tim Mackie.For NT studies, my go-to scholars are NT Wright, Michael Bird, Craig Keener, Douglas Moo, Scot McKnight, Tom Schreiner The Lost World of Genesis One by John WaltonInstagram // Website // Shop

The takeaways from this episode:The Bible was not written to us, meaning that it was not written in any modern language or with our modern assumptions, values and worldview in mind.We can't answer the question, "What DOES it mean (for us)?" until we do the work of seeking an answer to the question, "What DID it mean (for them)?” A passage can't mean something for us that it never would have meant for the original audience. Books for further study:(These are Amazon Associate links. I make a small commission if you use them.) How NOT to Read the Bible by Dan KimballIn the Beginning we Misunderstood by Johnny Miller and John SodenThe Lost World of Genesis One by John WaltonInstagram // Website // Shop

What do we do when the science in the bible seems wrong by today's standards, but typical for their world? For example, those who believe in a flat earth often point to scripture as evidence for their belief. Indeed the bible arguably does contain some texts that imply a flat earth. But, if the Hebrew people believed in a flat earth, does that mean we should today? Should we posit an elaborate conspiracy that Google, SpaceX, and NASA are trying to hide the truth of a flat earth? In addition to tackling scientific inaccuracies, Will Barlow will also cover many scientific accuracies that point to divine inspiration in scripture. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPmdNyROgQ&list=PLN9jFDsS3QV1Etu1jXO3jbUQ6CFI-2k6W&index=16 See below for notes. —— Links —— We are doing follow-up discussions to these episodes on YouTube. Check them out! See other episodes in this Scripture and Science Class Check out Barlow's previous podcast episodes Learn more about and support the church Barlow and his team are starting in Louisville, KY, called Compass Christian Church Find more articles and audios by Barlow on his website: Study Driven Faith Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— Science in the Bible • Cases when the science is “wrong”• Cases when the science is “right”• Overview and concluding thoughts Cases when the science is “wrong” • Flat Earth• Dome over the Earth• Unmovable Earth• Foundations of the Earth• Thinking with your intestines Flat Earth Isaiah 40:22   It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; Daniel 4:10-11   The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. Matthew 4:8   Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Dome over the Earth Job 37:18   Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror? This question by Elihu assumes a hard dome over the Earth — must have been a common belief of that time. Psalms 19:1   To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. See also Job 9:8, Psalms 102:25, Isaiah 45:12, and Isaiah 48:13. Unmovable Earth 1 Chronicles 16:30   tremble before him, all the earth; yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved. Psalms 93:1   The LORD reigns; he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved. See also Psalms 96:10 and Isaiah 45:18. Foundations of the Earth Psalms 104:5   He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. See also Job 38:4, Isaiah 48:13, and Hebrews 1:10. Heart/kidneys The Bible often speaks of the heart and kidneys in ways that are not medically accurate. Ancient people had particular views about these things — this doesn't mean that we should believe these things in the same way that they did. John Walton on God “Correcting” Science Giving an analogy from the ancient view of the liver, kidneys, and intestines: “Yet we must notice that when God wanted to talk to the Israelites about their intellect, emotions, and will, he did not revise their ideas of physiology and feel compelled to reveal the function of the brain. Instead, he adopted the language of the culture to communicate in terms they understood.”— John Walton, The Lost World of Genesis One, page 16. Cases when the science is “right” • Numbering the stars• Gravity?• Meteorology • Ocean Currents• Human composition• Medicine Numbering the Stars Genesis 22:17   I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, See also Jeremiah 33:22. Gravity? Job 26:7   He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing. This may not be describing gravity, but I believe it could be consistent with gravity. Meteorology Job 28:25-26   When he gave to the wind its weight and apportioned the waters by measure, when he made a decree for the rain and a way for the lightning of the thunder, The idea that molecules in air have weight is a recent scientific discovery. Ecclesiastes 1:6   The wind blows to the south and goes around to the north; around and around goes the wind, and on its circuits the wind returns. This looks like it is describing the jet streams and air currents. Psalms 135:7   He it is who makes the clouds rise at the end of the earth, who makes lightnings for the rain and brings forth the wind from his storehouses. This looks like it is describing the water cycle. Job 36:27-29   For he draws up the drops of water; they distill his mist in rain, which the skies pour down and drop on mankind abundantly. Can anyone understand the spreading of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? This looks like it is describing the water cycle. Ocean Currents Psalms 8:8   the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, whatever passes along the paths of the seas. Matthew Fontaine Maury believed this verse and discovered ocean currents. Now, this is accepted scientific fact that there are large “paths of the seas.” Human Composition Genesis 2:7   then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. The same elements that make up the Earth's crust also compose human bodies. Medicine Leviticus 13:46   He shall remain unclean as long as he has the disease. He is unclean. He shall live alone. His dwelling shall be outside the camp. This is describing what we would now call quarantine. See also Numbers 12:14-15. The Bible also describes hand washing, quarantine after battle, refining metals with fire, etc. All of these are good ideas from our perspective of modern medicine. But the most amazing example? Circumcision on the eighth day, when Vitamin K levels are at their peak naturally. Overview• We want to believe the worldview that explains the most evidence• There are many ways to read Genesis 1, but the primary goal is to ask and answer the questions that the original readers would have had • There are many ways to reconcile Scripture and each branch of science• The Big Bang points to a Creator• Fine-tuning points to a Creator • The wonder around us in the natural world, whether we think evolution is the right mechanism or not, points to a Creator• Miracles can be understood as God working within His laws in many cases Concluding Thoughts At the end of the day, I believe science points to God's existence.There is no greater God than the God of the Bible, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. Science does not have to be a barrier to the gospel message — it can supplement and support it.

Just when you thought there was nothing new to be said about the Book of Genesis, Dr. John Walton shows up! Dr. Walton is an Old Testament scholar and Professor at Wheaton College and has written many books on the Old Testament and its ancient Near Eastern background, including a commentary on Genesis, and his popular Lost World series. In this midweek podcast episode, he sits down with Frank to discuss why being faithful to the context lies at the heart of our understanding of what the Bible communicates to us about God as our creator. In other words, we need to stop viewing it through a modern lens and placing our cultural expectations on it--demanding it to answer questions it was never intended to address. Some of the ideas and questions they discuss include: What is a cultural river and why is it important? What kind of story is Genesis 1? What did the ancient Israelites think about the material world? The Egyptian creation story vs. the Bible What does it really mean to read the Bible literally? What's up with the Nephilim? Was there a global or localized flood?   To view the entire VIDEO PODCAST, be sure to join our CrossExamined private community. It's the perfect place to jump into some great discussions with like-minded Christians while simultaneously providing financial support for our ministry. Resources mentioned during the show: The Lost World of Genesis One: https://a.co/d/a76qyNN Wisdom for Faithful Reading: https://a.co/d/0k3LrXL Old Testament Theology for Christians: https://a.co/d/bxzYb5x Dr. John Walton at Wheaton College: http://bit.ly/3jXdn6H If you would like to submit a question to be answered on the show, please email your question to Hello@Crossexamined.org. Subscribe on Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/CrossExamined_Podcast Rate and review! Thanks!!! Subscribe on Google Play: https://cutt.ly/0E2eua9 Subscribe on Spotify: http://bit.ly/CrossExaminedOfficial_Podcast Subscribe on Stitcher: http://bit.ly/CE_Podcast_Stitcher  

Ray Cortese | Genesis 29:1-35

Welcome to River City Talks, where we talk with the pastors, ministers, directors, and staff of River City Church. We will take a deeper dive on their journey at River City, and find our what is happening, what is coming up, and what is yet to be. Today we talk with Lead Pastor Jason Powers and Associate Pastor Nick Fox and discuss Creation vs. Science: when indisputable science doesn't line up with God's biblical timeline. Send Pastor Jason an email at Jpowers[at]rcnb.org Send Pastor Nick and email at Nfox[at]rcnb.org Book mentioned in the podcast: The Lost World of Genesis One by John H Walton

Today we are going to cover gap theories and John Walton's temple idea. Will Barlow explains how gap theories work, including the classic idea that there's a gap of billions of years between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 as well as the modified version. After explaining the pros and cons for these views, he briefly explains John Walton's theory that Genesis 1 solely focuses on function not physical creation. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJvy6Vm6ToE&feature=emb_imp_woyt See below for notes. —— Links —— We are doing follow-up discussions to these episodes on YouTube. Check them out! See other episodes in this Scripture and Science Class Check out Barlow's previous podcast episodes Learn more about and support the church Barlow and his team are starting in Louisville, KY, called Compass Christian Church Find more articles and audios by Barlow on his website: Study Driven Faith Check out the early Christian quotes about the Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew here Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— Gap Theory There are various versions of Gap Theory: • Standard - multiple options here • Modified (“Preparing the Garden”) Pros of Standard Gap Theory Here are some pros with the standard formulation of Gap Theory: • It takes the word “day” literally as a 24-hour period • It fits directly with scientific evidence for an old Earth • It looks to the text (both in Genesis 1 and remote texts) to reach conclusions Internal Evidence Genesis 1:2   The earth was [or became] without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. “Was” or “became”? • Generally, in Hebrew, the verb “was” is unnecessary when talking about simple existence Genesis 23:17   So the field of Ephron in Machpelah, which was to the east of Mamre, the field with the cave that was in it and all the trees that were in the field, throughout its whole area, was made over “Was” or “became”? • Some scholars suggest that the verb is needed for the past tense, but here is a counterexample: Genesis 41:12a   A young Hebrew was [not in Hebrew] there with us, a servant of the captain of the guard. • So, some scholars believe that when the verb “was” is there, it takes on a more specific meaning: “become” • In other words, the word “was” takes on a meaning denoting change, not simple existence How did God create? Genesis 1:2   The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Compare with Jeremiah 4:23-26, Isaiah 34:11, Isaiah 45:18-19, among others Terms Used in Genesis • Genesis 1:5 “God called the light day” • Genesis 1:5 “God called the darkness night” • Genesis 1:8 “God called the expanse heaven” • Genesis 1:10 “God called the dry ground land” • Genesis 1:10 “God called the waters seas” Genesis 1:16   And God made the two great lights--the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night--and the stars. The word “made” does not generally mean “create.” In this context, it can be understood as God working on His creation. Genesis 1:17   And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, The word “set” can mean “appoint, designate, assign.” In this context, it can be understood as God providing a purpose for the stars, not the original creation. Is Gap Theory a recent invention? Detractors of Gap Theory say that it became popular after scientific evidence for an old Earth came in vogue around 200 years ago. • Jewish sources throughout time lend credence to the Gap interpretation • Ancient Christian sources, including Thomas Aquinas, mentioned the possibility of a gap Problems with Standard Gap Theory Here are some problems with the standard formulation of Gap Theory: • Gives Satan too much power • Grammatical concerns over “was” • There is no scientific evidence for a reconstituted heaven and Earth • Contextual concerns with Jeremiah 4 and Isaiah 34 • Genesis 1:28 says “fill,” not “replenish” Modified Gap Theory Modified Gap Theory holds that: • Genesis 1:1 refers to the beginning of creation • Genesis 1:2 focuses on God putting order into the wasteland, preparing the garden • Nothing in Genesis 1:2ff is talking about creation but rather about shaping the garden and the promised land Views Compatible with Either • The “God's Temple” interpretation — John Walton • Any non-literal interpretation that does not involve evolution Walton's “Temple” Interpretation Walton's view is based on 18 separate propositions. Proposition 1: Genesis 1 is ancient cosmology. “So if God aligned revelation with one particular science, it would have been unintelligible to people who lived prior to the time of that science, and it would be obsolete to those who live after that time…” “We gain nothing by bringing God's revelation into accordance with today's science. In contrast, it makes perfect sense that God communicated his revelation to his immediate audience in terms they understood.” (pg. 15) Giving an analogy from the ancient view of the liver, kidneys, and intestines: “Yet we must notice that when God wanted to talk to the Israelites about their intellect, emotions, and will, he did not revise their ideas of physiology and feel compelled to reveal the function of the brain. Instead, he adopted the language of the culture to communicate in terms they understood.” (pg. 16) Proposition 2: Ancient Cosmology is Function Oriented “Even staying in the realm of English usage we can see that we don't always use the verb create in material terms. When we create a committee, create a curriculum, create havoc or create a masterpiece, we are not involved in a material manufacturing process.” (pg. 23) “In this book I propose that people in the ancient world believed that something existed not by virtue of its material properties, but by virtue of its having a function in an ordered system.” (pg. 24) Walton believes that God's Temple is the heavens and the earth (Isaiah 66:1-2). Thus, the six-day creation account is not a scientific depiction of the creation of the Universe, but rather a description of God setting up his Temple and putting it in order. Parallels between Genesis 1 and other Temple accounts: • Seven day consecration of tabernacle in Exodus 39-40 • Seven-year construction of Solomon's Temple, followed by a seven-day dedication feast (1 Kings 6) • Description of Eden and the Temple have some similarities Bottom line: • Wants to interpret Genesis 1 in light of Ancient Near East culture and scientific understanding • Gives a context for the text that focuses on God's relationship with Israel, not with the creation of physical matter and space Problems with Walton's “Temple” View Here are some problems with the “Temple” view: • Atheists love to attack non-literal readings, since it shows that Jews and Christians can “pick and choose.” • There is no clear evidence that anyone has held this specific view at any point in Judeo-Christian history. • It leaves many questions unanswered, especially relating to science. How should we read Genesis 1? • Remember who the original audience was (coming out of slavery, coming out of idolatry) • Consider the text and the various options to interpret it • Consider the scientific evidence and how much weight you want to give it Resources • Young Earth Creationism (Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Research, The Genesis Flood by Morris and Whitcomb) • Day-Age (Hugh Ross, Gerald Schoeder) • Gap Theory (Arthur Custance, Jack Langford) • Temple (John Walton)

We've been considering the various options for interpreting the creation account in Genesis. Last time we looked at two young earth theories and today we'll survey three old earth perspectives, including the day age theory, modified day-age theory, and a non-literal approach. For each Will Barlow explains the basics and offers a gentle critique. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2y2H1PrJ34&list=PLN9jFDsS3QV1Etu1jXO3jbUQ6CFI-2k6W&index=4&t=180s See below for notes. —— Links —— We are doing follow-up discussions to these episodes on YouTube. Check them out! See other episodes in this Scripture and Science Class Check out Barlow's previous podcast episodes Learn more about and support the church Barlow and his team are starting in Louisville, KY, called Compass Christian Church Find more articles and audios by Barlow on his website: Study Driven Faith Check out the early Christian quotes about the Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew here Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— What have we seen so far? • Genesis was written to a group of ancient people coming out of slavery• The questions that they were asking of the text are different than the questions that we ask Many views of Genesis 1Perhaps the easiest way to divide them is: • Young-earth views• Old-earth views• Views compatible with either Old-Earth Views • “Day-Age” and modified “Day-Age”— Hugh Ross, Gerald Schroeder• “Theistic Evolution” — Francis Collins• Gap and modified gap — Scofield Bible• “Day-Age” and modified “Day-Age”— Hugh Ross, Gerald Schroeder• “Theistic Evolution” — Francis Collins• Gap and modified gap — Scofield Bible Day-AgeThere are various versions of Day-Age: • Standard• Earth-bound perspective (Hugh Ross) Pros of Standard Day-AgeHere are some pros with the standard formulation of Day-Age: • Generally, the sequence of events seems like it could be a plausible representation from an ancient person's perspective of the scientific order of events• In the Bible, “day” can mean more than one 24-hour period Examples of Longer “Days” Genesis 2:4   These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. Genesis 4:3   In the course of time [yom - day] Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground, Genesis 44:32   For your servant became a pledge of safety for the boy to my father, saying, 'If I do not bring him back to you, then I shall bear the blame before my father all my life.' [literally - “all my days”] Problems with Standard Day-AgeHere are some problems with the standard formulation of Day-Age: • The word “day,” when paired with a specific number (and the description of evening and morning), seem to indicate a 24-hour period• The order in Genesis 1 is not perfect scientifically Scientific Order vs. Genesis 1 Earth Bound Perspective Day-Age“The observer's vantage point is clearly stated: ‘the surface of the deep… over the waters.' Yet the vast majority of Genesis commentaries mistakenly proceed as if it were still high in the heavens somewhere in the starry realm above Earth.” (pg. 23)“The problem glares from the page at anyone slightly aware of how nature works. If the storyteller's viewpoint lies in the starry realm above, plants (created on Day Three) appear before the sun even exists (Day Four).” (pg. 23) • The Earth Bound Perspective of Day-Age does significantly help the issue dealing with the order of scientific information in comparison with Genesis 1• However, it does not resolve the issue surrounding the word “day” Problems with Modified Day-AgeHere are some problems with the modified formulation of Day-Age: • It still does not solve the problem that the order in Genesis 1 is not perfect scientifically.• There is no indication in the text anywhere that there should be gaps between each day of creation. Relativistic Day-Age“Starting with Day One, the results are, approximately: 7; 3.5; 1.8; 0.9; 0.5; 0.2 billions of years compressed within each successive 24-hour biblical day. This is in close agreement with the NASA number of 13.7 billion years.” Schroeder on “Day”“Almost a millennium ago, the biblical commentator Nahmanides realized that there must be a deeper meaning to the words “evening” and “morning.” He taught that the root or implied meaning of the Hebrew word usually translated “evening,” erev, is “mixture,” “chaos.” As the sun sets, he reasoned, vision becomes blurry, mixed. The implied meaning of the word translated “morning,” boker, is just the opposite. As the sun rises, vision becomes clear, orderly. Individual objects and colors can be discerned. The implied meaning of boker has within it the concept of order. The flow in simple terms is from P.M. to A.M. But the deeper meaning, the far more significant truth, is that six times over, at the conclusion of each day of creation, there was remarkable flow contrary to what is normally observed in unguided nature. Normally, in all events, order degrades to disorder. That is why leaves decay on the ground and a cup of hot tea becomes cool as it remains on the table. But in this particular part of the universe, the opposite occurred, and the Torah emphasizes this six times over in the subtle language “And there was evening and there was morning.” (pgs. 40-41) Collins on Genesis 1Genesis 2 then begins with a description of God resting on the seventh day. After this appears a second description of the creation of humans, this time explicitly referring to Adam. The second creation description is not entirely compatible with the first; in Genesis 1 vegetation appears three days before humans were created, whereas in Genesis 2 it seems that God creates Adam from the dust of the earth before any shrub or plant had yet appeared. (pg. 150)If a literal description was intended, why then are there two stories that do not entirely mesh with each other?(pg. 151) Problems with Collins' Non-Literal ViewHere are some problems with the Non-Literal view: • It doesn't attempt to make sense of the text in context. In fact, it uses supposed deficiencies to make a case that we should not take Genesis literally.• Atheists love to attack this perspective, since it shows that Jews and Christians can “pick and choose.” outro:

Today we'll begin to consider interpretive options for the first chapter of Genesis. We'll see three main groupings of theories, including those that propose a young earth of only thousands of years, those that see the earth as old (billions of years), and those that are compatible with either. After introducing the main options, Will Barlow goes on to explore young-earth creationism. He presents the advantages and disadvantages of this approach. Lastly, he shows why the "appearance of age" hypothesis fails to convince him. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xyFXqh5xw&feature=emb_imp_woyt See below for notes. —— Links —— We are doing follow-up discussions to these episodes on YouTube. Check them out! See other episodes in this Scripture and Science Class Check out Barlow's previous podcast episodes Learn more about and support the church Barlow and his team are starting in Louisville, KY, called Compass Christian Church Find more articles and audios by Barlow on his website: Study Driven Faith Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— What have we seen so far? Genesis was written to a group of ancient people coming out of slavery The questions that they were asking of the text are different than the questions that we ask How can we read Genesis 1? Does Genesis 1 begin with a continuous narrative or is there an initial creation in verse 1 followed by a “re-creation” or “reconstitution”? “Gap” theory says the latter Most other views take the former How can we read Genesis 1? How do we read the word day? Is a day a literal 24-hour period of time? Or is it something else? YEC and “gap” theory view the word “day” as a literal 24 hour period Most other views either don't require a day to be a specific length of time or say it is a longer period of time How can we read Genesis 1? Is Genesis 1 meant to be a description of creation itself? Or is it meant to describe how God ascribed function to already existing systems? “Modified gap” theory and Walton's “Temple” theory both focus on Genesis 1 describing function, not creation Most other views take Genesis 1 to be describing creation How can we read Genesis 1? How importantly should we weigh the scientific evidence? Walton's “Temple” theory does not care about modern science The mainline YEC view has an alternate view of the scientific evidence All other views rely on the scientific evidence Many views of Genesis 1 Perhaps the easiest way to divide them is: Young-earth views Old-earth views Views compatible with either Young-Earth Views Mainline YEC view - Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, Institute for Creation Research (ICR) The “Appearance of Age” view Old-Earth Views “Day-Age” and modified “Day-Age”— Hugh Ross, Gerald Schroeder “Theistic Evolution” — Francis Collins Gap and modified gap — Scofield Bible Views Compatible with Either The “God's Temple” interpretation — John Walton Any non-literal interpretation that does not involve evolution Young-Earth Creationism Genesis 1:1-3   In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. Genesis 1:4-5   And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. Positives of Young-Earth Creationism You can read Genesis 1 without importing any other ideas as a complete narrative Then, using the genealogies from other parts of the Bible, you get roughly 6,000 years of history Nothing in the Bible absolutely contradicts it Negatives of Young-Earth Creationism Some of the strongest arguments against YEC come from science. However: AIG and ICR have answers to basically any scientific question Both do a great job of attacking science at the weakest spot — assumptions and counterexamples Young-Earth Creationism Biblical questions about YEC: Would the original audience have cared about the age of the Earth? Are we sure that the genealogies are without gaps? Is Genesis 1 about creation or function? Is there really enough time for Satan to rebel (if you hold this view)? Scientific challenges to YEC: Basically all scientists view the Universe as old and the Earth as old Faraway stars appear to age the Universe at 13 billion years There is no reason to believe that the speed of light has changed over time Appearance of Age View This view accepts the scientific evidence and says that “God made the Universe appear old to test us.” I believe that God gave us our heads to think with. God does test us, but He is not a deceiver.

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The first chapter of the Bible's first book lays the foundation for all that follows about who God is and what God is like. Our technology-age fascination with the science of origins, however, can blind us to issues of great importance that don't address our culturally conditioned questions. Instead, Genesis One itself suggests the questions and answers that are most significant to human faith and flourishing. Mike Neglia speaks with Geologist Gregg Davidson and theologian Ken Turner about different ways to shine a spotlight on Genesis One as theologically rich literature first and foremost, exploring the layers of meaning that showcase various aspects of God's character:SongAnalogyPolemicCovenantTempleCalendarLandThis interview invites preachers to cultivate an openness to Scripture's richness and a deeper faith in the Creator.Gregg Davidson (PhD, University of Arizona) is a professor and chair of the School of Geology and Geological Engineering at the University of Mississippi. His other works include Friend of Science, Friend of Faith.Kenneth J. Turner (PhD, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) is professor of Old Testament and biblical languages at Toccoa Falls College. His other works include The Death of Deaths in the Death of Israel.Purchase their book here: https://www.kregel.com/gregg-davidson/the-manifold-beauty-of-genesis-one/Recommended Episodes:Gavin Ortlund - Dying on the Right Hill : https://www.expositorscollective.com/podcast/2021/3/2/dying-on-the-right-hill-gavin-ortlundDominic Done - Preaching, Faith and Deconstruction : https://www.expositorscollective.com/podcast/2021/9/12/preaching-faith-amp-deconstruction-dominic-doneShane Angland - The Problem and the Promise of Preaching : https://www.expositorscollective.com/podcast/2020/7/7/the-problem-and-the-promise-of-preaching-shane-angland