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In this episode, we're joined by Rachel Lindley, Hannah Wichmann, and Samantha Muli from Five Talents to explore a bold shift in how development is done: What if communities—not donors—defined success, owned their data, and led the path forward?Five Talents supports women entrepreneurs across Eastern Africa through savings groups, but their approach goes far beyond finance. It's a story of transformation—from traditional microcredit to a savings-led model rooted in literacy, dignity, and community ownership. Along the way, they've reimagined monitoring and evaluation—not as a donor checkbox, but as a participatory, empowering process that drives real learning.In this conversation, we unpack how technology, like CommCare, plays a critical role—not just in digitizing data, but in strengthening trust, visibility, and inclusion at every level. We hear about the approach and impact of one specific program addressing human wildlife conflict in the Tsavo Conservation Area of Kenya. And we reflect on the evolving aid landscape, and what the future could look like if communities were at the center, and technology served as a bridge—not a barrier—to locally led change.If you've ever wondered what truly participatory aid looks like in action, this is the episode for you.
How are you aligning your money to bring glory to God?In this episode, Jeff, Bill, and Dana discuss: Start your marriage on the same financial page, and let God lead it.Nothing in life has a sacred and secular divide.Stories of successful stewards.Understanding your finish line and approaching it with joy. Key Takeaways: If you want to be a good giver and be most effective, there is work to be done to find the most impactful organizations and needs. You may not be called to give it all away, you may be called to work so that others might live.Keep seeking God's face, and let Him adjust. Just start somewhere, find alignment, and start being generous now. "I just encourage business owners who also have capital and investment to think about their investments as business ownership, too, and how that can be applied for the Kingdom." — Dana Wichterman Episode References: Rich Christians in the Age of Hunger by Ronald J. Sider: https://www.amazon.com/Rich-Christians-Age-Hunger-Generosity/dp/0718037049HOPE International - https://www.hopeinternational.org/The Culture: Upstream from Politics - https://www.oaktonfoundation.com/post/culture-upstream-from-politicsDying to Live: Finding Joy in Giving Yourself to God - https://www.amazon.com/Dying-Live-Finding-Giving-Yourself/dp/0615990762 About Bill and Dana Wichterman:Dana Wichterman spent her career as an international economic development professional at the US Agency for International Development. She currently works at Impact Foundation, helping Christians deploy their charitable capital for impact investing. She serves on the boards of Talanton, Five Talents, and Faith Driven Movements. She is the founder of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur and Investor network in Washington, DC. Dana holds an M.A. in International Affairs from Columbia University.Bill Wichterman has spent his career in law and politics, including as Special Assistant to the President in the White House. Bill is the author of the book, Dying to Live: Finding Joy In Giving Yourself to God, and the influential essay, "The Culture: Upstream from Politics." He is co-founder of Wedgwood Circle and Board President of Faith and Law. Bill holds an M.A. in Political Theory from The Catholic University of America. Connect with Bill and Dana Wichterman:Website: http://stewardsnotowners.com/Book: Stewards Not Owners: The Joy of Aligning Your Money with Your Faith - https://www.amazon.com/Stewards-Not-Owners-Aligning-Money/dp/1637633750YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCixnP4QW_IBGI-fsM7Yt2wALinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thewichtermans/posts/?feedView=allTwitter: https://x.com/thewichtermansFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thewichtermansInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewichtermans/ Connect with Jeff Thomas: Website: https://www.arkosglobal.com/Podcast: https://www.generousbusinessowner.com/Book: https://www.arkosglobal.com/trading-upEmail: jeff.thomas@arkosglobal.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/ArkosGlobalAdv Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/arkosglobal/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/arkosglobaladvisorsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/arkosglobaladvisors/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLUYpPwkHH7JrP6PrbHeBxw
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In this episode of The Brainy Business podcast, Melina Palmer is joined by Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, co-authors of The Five Talents that Really Matter. Barry and Sarah share their extensive research on leadership effectiveness, revealing the five key talents that drive extraordinary performance. Their work, based on studying over 58,000 executive leaders, aims to dispel the myths in leadership literature by focusing on traits that truly predict high performance. Barry and Sarah share the importance of talent assessment in the hiring process, emphasizing how innate talents are stable, resistant to change, and highly predictive of behavior. They discuss the challenges organizations face in selecting the right leaders and how their research can help reduce error rates in selection decisions. The conversation also highlights the significance of building diverse teams and moving beyond the concept of "cultural fit" to achieve high performance. In this episode: Discover the five talents that define exceptional leadership and how they impact organizational performance. Learn about the process of assessing talents and the importance of innate traits in predicting leadership success. Understand the pitfalls of relying on "chemistry" and "cultural fit" in hiring decisions. Explore the role of self-assessment and team dynamics in developing effective leadership. Gain insights into asking the right interview questions to identify high-performing candidates. Visit this episode's page for important links, top recommended books and episodes, and a full transcript. Looking to explore applications of behavioral economics further? Learn With Us on our website. Subscribe to Melina's Newsletter Brainy Bites on LinkedIn Let's connect: Send Us a Message Melina on LinkedIn The Brainy Business on Youtube The Brainy Business on Instagram
Sarah Dalton is the co-author of “The Five Talents that Really Matter,” and in this episode, she breaks down the five core leadership talents: setting direction, harnessing energy, exerting pressure, increasing connectivity, and controlling traffic, explaining how they shape effective leadership. She emphasizes the importance of identifying rare, innate leadership qualities over relying on traditional resume markers. Sarah challenges common hiring biases, encourages structured selection processes, and advocates for building balanced teams through intentional talent optimization. Key Takeaways [02:37] Sarah Dalton shares her background as a partner at Conchi Associates and discusses how her expertise in talent assessment and team development extends to mentoring children in their growth and self-awareness. [03:20] Sarah emphasizes her goal with The Five Talents that Really Matter—to prevent under qualified managers from being promoted by identifying rare and essential leadership talents. [04:54] She highlights common hiring biases, such as selecting candidates based on similarities to oneself, which often results in non-predictive decisions for future performance. [08:20] Sarah introduces the five core leadership talents: setting direction, harnessing energy, exerting pressure, increasing connectivity, and controlling traffic, emphasizing their diverse expressions in leadership styles. [10:07] She discusses the importance of balancing action orientation with reflective thinking, noting how successful leaders manage both qualities effectively. [14:20] Sarah explains the importance of structured selection assessments to avoid hiring decisions based on chemistry rather than true leadership potential. [16:11] About the book that includes specific interview questions designed to identify leadership potential and guidance on how to interpret responses effectively. [18:29] Sarah challenges the notion that a leader's greatest strength can also be a weakness, emphasizing that the absence of balancing talents is the real issue. [22:19] She describes how the five talents can be applied to team dynamics, advocating for leveraging individual strengths while acknowledging no team is perfectly balanced. [26:24] Sarah stresses the importance of a clearly defined decision-making process to prevent team conflict, especially when one member naturally plays a more deliberative role. [35:26] Her top leadership takeaway: build strong, positive relationships with team members and hold them to high standards by encouraging diverse perspectives and deeper thinking. [38:59] Closing quote: Remember, "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence win championships." — Michael Jordan Quotable Quotes “Great leadership isn't about promoting those most like us—it's about identifying rare talents that drive superior performance.” “True talent isn't just found on a resume. It's the enduring qualities of thought and character that define long-term success.” “A leader's strength isn't their downfall—it's the absence of balancing qualities that creates blind spots.” “The most effective leaders know when to take decisive action and when to slow down and think critically.” “The best teams aren't perfectly balanced—they're optimized for the strengths they already possess.” “The quality of your leadership is reflected in how well you develop and empower those around you.” “Hiring decisions should be guided by talent assessments, not chemistry or personal bias.” “A strong leader builds relationships deep enough to understand what drives each individual's success.” “When facing decisions, ask yourself: Who have I talked to? What have I learned? Have I considered more than one option?” “Leadership isn't about being perfect—it's about holding yourself and others to a higher standard of thinking.” "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence win championships." — Michael Jordan This is the book mentioned in this episode Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Sarah Dalton's LinkedIn | Sarah Dalton's Website | Sarah Dalton's Twitter |
Sarah Dalton is a partner at Conchie Associates, a consulting firm that uses psychometric assessments to help CEOs and Boards select talented leaders. She is the author of the book, The Five Talents that really Matter, with co-author Barry Conchie. Sarah earned a Masters degree in Industrial and Organizational Psychology from Colorado State University. In this episode we discuss the following: To achieve our potential, it is most effective to focus on areas where we have some natural ability and curiosity. Motivation and hard work can only take us so far. Rather than constantly working on our weaknesses, it is often more effective to harness our strengths. Connect on Social Media: X: https://twitter.com/nate_meikle LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natemeikle/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nate_meikle/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@nate.meikle
In the first part of our two part series, Dimensions of Diversity host Lloyd Freeman welcomes Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, authors of Five Talents that Really Matter: How Great Leaders Drive Extraordinary Performance. Barry and Sarah discuss the systemic issues in leadership selection, focusing on biases around education, experience, and likability.They explore how affinity and confirmation biases impact leadership choices and emphasize the need for demographic diversity and diversity of thought. Sarah introduces the "lazy brains" concept and how likability skews appointments, while Barry critiques organizations' reliance on subjective measures.Dimensions of Diversity is a podcast created by Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney, highlighting diversity in the workplace. Hosted by Lloyd Freeman, Chief Diversity & Inclusion Officer, the podcast features meaningful conversations with industry and community leaders working to advance D&I.
In this episode of The Above The Business Podcast, Bradley sits down with Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, the insightful authors of The Five Talents That Really Matter: How Great Leaders Drive Extraordinary Performance. With years of experience in leadership development and a wealth of research behind them, Barry and Sarah provide a refreshing perspective on what truly makes a leader exceptional.In this episode, Bradley, Barry, and Sarah focus on…Dispelling Leadership Myths: Barry and Sarah challenge conventional beliefs about leadership, providing a scientific model that reveals the true drivers of success.A Template for Development: Their book serves as a practical guide for managers and leaders to assess and enhance their capabilities based on validated research.Real-World Insights: Listeners will gain insights into the behaviors and mindsets of successful leaders, as well as actionable strategies to implement in their organizations.Barry is the founder and president of Conchie Associates, specializing in psychometric talent assessments and leadership research. He consults with boards, CEOs, and leadership teams globally, focusing on leadership effectiveness and decision-making heuristics. Based outside Boulder, Colorado, Barry's expertise shapes the way organizations cultivate high-performing leaders.Sarah is a partner at Conchie Associates and holds a master's degree in industrial and organizational psychology from Colorado State University. With her unique approach, Sarah empowers leaders and teams to evaluate their effectiveness and enhance their leadership strengths. She operates from Denver, Colorado, contributing her insights to drive team success.Their book, The Five Talents That Really Matter, is a groundbreaking exploration into the traits that set high-performing leaders apart. Drawing from extensive research and interviews with global leaders, Barry and Sarah debunk common myths about leadership and outline five evidence-based talent dimensions essential for driving extraordinary performance:Setting Direction: High-performing leaders navigate complexity and inspire employees with a compelling vision.Building Energy: These leaders exemplify a strong work ethic and prioritize the development and recognition of their top talent.Exerting Pressure: Talented leaders challenge the status quo, advocating for change and improvement while refusing to accept mediocrity.Increasing Connectivity: They prioritize relationships, fostering a culture of followership through ethical behavior and genuine care.Controlling Traffic: High-performing leaders establish organizational protocols while remaining adaptable to changing circumstances.Join us for a conversation that will transform how you view leadership and provide practical tools to drive performance in your organization. Whether you're a seasoned executive or an aspiring leader, this episode promises invaluable insights from two of the industry's foremost experts.Thanks to our sponsors...BlueprintOS equips business owners to design and install an operating system that runs like clockwork. Through BlueprintOS, you will grow and develop your leadership, clarify your culture and business game plan, align your operations with your KPIs, develop a team of A-Players, and execute your playbooks. Download the FREE Rainmaker to Architect Starter Kit at https://start.blueprintos.com! Autopilot Recruiting is a continuous recruiting service where you'll be assigned a recruiter that has been trained to recruit on your behalf every business day. Go to www.autopilotrecruiting.com to get started.Coach P found great
Hear Barrie Conchie share the results of his research with Sarah Dalton to identify the most important skills leaders need today. They believe setting direction, building energy, exerting pressure, increasing connectivity, and controlling traffic are focus areas, as presented in their book, The Five Talents That Really Matter. For more information visit conchie.com
What are the core talents that truly distinguish high-performing leaders from the rest? Kevin welcomes Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton to the issue of ineffective leadership. Barry and Sarah explore the essential leadership talents scientifically identified through extensive research involving over 60,000 leaders. They emphasize the importance of selecting leaders based on innate talents rather than just skills or aspirations. The five key talents they highlight are: Setting Direction - The ability to establish clear goals and a strategic vision that aligns with organizational values. Harnessing Energy - Motivating and energizing a team towards achieving these goals. Exerting Influence - Not just persuading others but changing minds through constructive debate and advocacy. Building Connectivity - Creating strong, meaningful relationships within the organization. Controlling Traffic - Ensuring efficient execution of plans by managing processes and adapting to changes. Listen For 00:08 Introduction and Overview 00:31 Kevin Eikenberry's Welcome 01:22 Introduction to Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton 03:03 Why the Book was Written 05:02 Key Questions Addressed in the Book 06:14 Barry and Sarah's Collaboration Story 07:34 Surprising Insights from Leadership Assessment 09:59 What We're Getting Wrong About Leadership 11:17 The Importance of Leadership Talents 12:22 Understanding "Controlling Traffic" as a Leadership Talent 14:00 The Five Core Leadership Talents 18:31 Exerting Influence and Changing Minds 24:39 The Changing World of Leadership 26:01 Improving Leadership Selection and Interview Practices 30:09 Closing Thoughts and Next Steps Meet Barry & Sarah Their Story: Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton are the authors of, THE FIVE TALENTS THAT REALLY MATTER: How Great Leaders Drive Extraordinary Performance. Barry is the founder and president of Conchie Associates. He is an expert in psycho-metric talent assessments, leadership research and development, team building, and succession planning. Barry consults with company boards, CEOs, and leadership teams of leading organizations across the globe. He researches leadership effectiveness and decision-making heuristics from his home outside Boulder, Colorado. Sarah is a partner at Conchie Associates. She is uniquely positioned to provide leaders and teams with the tools to evaluate their effectiveness and develop their leadership strengths. Sarah completed her master's degree in industrial and organizational psychology from Colorado State University. She is based in Denver, Colorado. https://www.conchieassociates.com/ Book Recommendations The Five Talents That Really Matter: How Great Leaders Drive Extraordinary Performance by Barry Conchie, Sarah Dalton Innate: How the Wiring of Our Brains Shapes Who We Are by Kevin J. Mitchell Being You: A New Science of Consciousness by Anil Seth War and an Irish Town by Eamonn McCann The Timeless Way of Building by Christopher Alexander Like this? Cracking the Leadership Code with Alain Hunkins Conscious Leadership with Carter Phipps Essentials for Leadership Impact with Chuck Wachendorfer and Doug Lennick Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP
Barry Conchie, Founder and President of Conchie Associates, and business partner Sarah Dalton, discuss their research taken from over 58K executive leaders, including insights on holding two conflicting truths together, how people don't change, but the context they exist in does, being both rigid and flexible like an air traffic controller, why likeability is not an indicator of job performance (but it sure informs a lot of hiring), the ROI of a tortoise vs. a squirrel, identifying the 5 talents that REALLY matter in leadership, and how sometimes leaders just can't be made.
Welcome to Podcast 6 of The Five Talents that Really Matter. Over the last 5 podcasts, I have wondered -- "What happens if you do not possess the talents that really matter?" It goes without saying that there are people in leadership positions today that do not possess those talents. So, we arrive at the Four harsh Truths: 1. Not everyone is or can be a leader. If you go into any organization, you can quickly see those that are leaders versus those in leadership positions that do not have the natural talents to effectively lead. In earlier podcasts, we talked about the fact that talents are innate. They are consistent over time and resistant to change. They are pervasive—present in our daily work and personal lives. In a world of nature versus nurture—innate talents are nature. Barry makes the point in this episode that organizations must stop lying to their employees and telling them that everyone can be a leader. Everyone has their level – and people can still make significant contributions to their organization without occupying a leadership role that doesn't suit their natural dispositions. 2. We might never solve the lack of workplace diversity. Organizations have disproportionately hired in favor of a privileged group. We know that the biases that cause discriminatory hiring do not change through training programs. Your organization does not need a Chief Diversity Officer to take the right actions, but you should be well-versed in psychometric assessment as an important step toward mitigating unchecked biases that disadvantage talented candidates. 3. Leadership characteristics are hard to develop. Leadership cannot be taught to those who do not possess the natural talents to succeed. Barry and Sarah remind us that if everyone could learn leadership, we would not see such a dearth of Talent at the top of companies. 4. Personalities and Talents aren't the same thing. Here is the takeaway that is significant—If you want to use assessments that matter, predictability is the key—results should be stable over time, and they should be valid predictors of performance. Talent assessments are not the same thing as a personality inventory. Talent assessments that are built to measure potential and predict success are more reliable, valid, and fair. Join Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton for the discussion on the Four Harsh Truths—and learn about how you can be brilliant and contribute even if you do not possess the Five Talents that Matter.
Welcome to the fourth podcast in The Five Talents that Really Matter series. In this podcast we begin to introduce the five talents, beginning with Setting Direction and Controlling Traffic. There is a familiar phrase: “If you don't know where you are going, you'll probably end up somewhere else." While setting direction is where all great strategies begin, in our conversation with Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, the authors of The Five Talents, we learn that it might be one of the rarest talents. Successfully setting direction requires: 1. The destination has to be a place worth going to—a destination where people want to come along. 2. Getting people to come along is not just a matter of telling people your direction, you have to engage them—it requires listening, connection, and the ability to articulate a compelling picture around why you are going there. 3. It is important to connect each person to the destination and the work they are doing; people have to know how they create value and how their contribution to work matters. Many times, however, leaders can propose a direction, and it is met with skepticism because the direction was formulated in a vacuum, or it was the result of consultants formulating a direction that is not authentic to where the organization needs to go to be a success in the marketplace. What we know is that it is difficult to inspire people and build a shared commitment to the future state. What we learn from Barry and Sarah is that you need to pay attention to the terrain. Having a map is the beginning, but understanding the terrain is essential, and that is where controlling traffic is important. It requires agility, adjusting to market conditions, recognizing opportunities that lie ahead, making sure that the organization is positioned for success. What I love about this conversation is that Barry and Sarah give us notable examples of how the best leaders can control traffic. Execution capability is essential—the ability to effectively execute and orchestrate action. Join the conversation on Setting Direction and Controlling Traffic to learn more. The Five Talent that Really Matter is available on August 27th.
As part of researching The Five Talents that Really Matter, Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, the co-authors, conducted and reviewed 58,000 talent assessments. Their research was global in nature, and they studied leaders at every organization level. Their findings challenge the status quo and call out for leaders, at times, things they may not have wanted to know. The key learnings offer us insight into how we have been making decisions, unaware of their impact. Understanding these insights can help us make better choices and deliver better business performance. Let ‘s look at just a few of the learnings here...and then listen to the podcast to get the whole story. For example, when we are selecting candidates, we think of ourselves as objective—looking for whom we think would be the best candidate for a given role. If you ask leaders if they intentionally select people like themselves, they generally disagree. They think of themselves as seeking talent diversity. In fact, just the opposite was true, leaders had succeeded in “self-replication.” Even though it has been known for decades that “talent diversity predicts stronger collective performance advantages.” Have you ever heard leaders profess that they welcome all points of view and love to be challenged? Well, the reality is that dissention is often not welcomed. How do you know if this is going on in your team? If your team is discussing a complicated issue and no one is speaking up—then disagreement is not welcomed—yet leaders perceive themselves as welcoming dissent. If team members are having a meeting after the meeting to talk about the real issues—the leader does not welcome dissent and may not even see it. Do organizations have a bias for action-oriented leadership versus those with a keen eye for strategy? Would you ever hire someone you personally dislike even if they were highly talented? How often do you hire for likeability and are not even aware of it? Why does it take some leaders a longer time to terminate poor performers? In this podcast we will discuss the 18 insights and how you can use these findings to make better talent decisions—both in how you select and develop leaders.
With consistent churn in leadership roles at all organization levels, we have to step back and ask the question: - What are we missing in our selection process? - How do we continually make poor selection decisions? - And why aren't we doing better? Let us start with how we can get caught in the “likeability trap.” Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, in The Five Talents that Really Matter, found that likeability factors have a significant impact on how a candidate is perceived. The problem is that likeability will not correlate with whether the candidate can perform in a specific role. Throughout my career I have seen organizations select highly likeable candidates that go on to fail in the job, often within the first 6-12 months. In the selection discussions, likeability is often defended as the criteria and can often win out over the discussion on potential performance. In this podcast, join the conversation to learn more about: 1. How we can mislead candidates. Do you think it is possible to mislead candidates in face-to-face interviews? I have seen this multiple times—candidates feel they had great interviews, and then are shocked when they do not get the role. Misleading candidates can not only create negative experiences for them, it can also damage a company's brand. 2. How 360 Assessments are subjective at best and biased at worst. 3. How misaligned incentives with search firms can advocate for candidates that may not be the best choice. In this session, Barry and Sarah offer a path forward for how to audit and evaluate your selection process. “Their strategy is to introduce tools and processes that guide the hiring, selection, succession, and promotion decisions toward a defined structure that has measurable outcomes.” With each leadership selection decision, company performance is on the line—we can improve selection and have an enormous positive impact.
Every now and then a book comes along that challenges the status quo. A book that has the capacity to help us look at what we are doing today and see that we can do better. The Five Talents that Really Matter is such a book. Barry Conchie and Sarah Dalton, through scientific research, have identified the talents that really matter. They cut through all the noise surrounding what leaders do and how the absolute best achieve success. Talents are different from what we see in the market today—they are not a product of competency models or building lists of experiences or capabilities—they are not the output of 360 assessments from leaders or peers that can often suggest room for improvement. “Talents cannot be learned or taught. They are the natural characteristics we are all born with.” Talents are a part of who we are and how we think (innate), consistent over time and resistant to change (enduring), and present in our daily work and in our lives (pervasive). So, what are the Talents that really matter? Setting Direction Harnessing Energy Exerting Pressure Increasing Connectivity Controlling Traffic In this first podcast in the 5 Talents that Really Matter Series, we meet Barry and Sarah, learn about how they arrived at the five talents, and receive an overview of how the current way we evaluate and hire talent is flawed, and what can be done moving forward to select and develop talent with a high probability of success. At a time when several studies have shown between 50-70% of new CEOs fail within the first 18 months (CEB), and 50% of externally hired executives and 35% of internally promoted leaders fall short of performance expectations (DDI), isn't it time for a new approach?
Homily on the Talents Main point: What do we with the riches God has given us? Multiply them! How? By investing all those riches in spiritual activities that provide a strong return on investment and having enough self-discipline not to waste them on activities that cause spiritual harm. There are many kinds of riches that the Bible and Tradition teach about; today we'll talk about spiritual and monetary riches. How to Get a Good Return on Spiritual Riches • Baptized Christians have all received riches (the grace of Baptism – a life in Christ!): what do we do with them? • We do not all start with the same – we all have abilities and weaknesses • But all are called to grow that which God has planted in our hearts How do we grow them? It's all about Orthopraxis. Discipleship. Evangelism. Everyone has to be involved in the ministries of the Church – and our parish must be set up to enable and encourage this. How do we bury our talents? Not just by squandering them, but by refusing to develop and use them. By sitting on our hands. By seeking the minimum standard. We need to grow the grace God has put into our hearts so that it overflows and brings comfort, joy, and healing to all those around us. We have to grow the investment of grace God made within our hearts. Orthodoxy is not about rules – Americans hate rules – it's about getting a good return on the spiritual investment God made in us. Americans understand investments (and, while it may seem crass, it follows from the parable that Christ gave us). So… • Encouraging us to pray in the morning and evening and at every meal time is sound spiritual investment advice; • Encouraging us to come to services every Sunday and Feast Dayis sound spiritual investment advice; • Encouraging us to read scripture and edifying literature everyday is sound spiritual investment advice. • Encouraging every parish member should offer up their time in both worship AND ministry is sound spiritual investment advice. • Extolling the benefits of tithing is giving us sound spiritual advice. • Warning us that things like gossip, pornography, self-indulgence, hard-heartedness, and adultery are wicked sins and to be avoided, is sound spiritual investment advice. Some people hear this – and I mean good people! – and they say “but Father… I don't need to do all these things to be good. I'm nice. I already love people. I know that it is my duty to help my friends and my family and that is what I do. It comes naturally. I don't need fasting and all that other stuff.” I LOVE hearing this! It is great to meet people who are born with such wonderful gifts. But being born with gifts doesn't get them off the hook. My response to the way they rationalize their slothfulness goes something like this; “wonderful! God gave you FIVE TALENTS instead of just one or two – now you need to fast and do all that other stuff to invest those five and get five more!” No one should mistake a naturally pleasant disposition or other natural attributes as some kind of grace they earned: these things are gifts from God and they must be developed. That's what he is telling us today about getting into heaven. God expects more from those to whom He has given more – so get to work! How to Get the Best (Spiritual Return) on Monetary Riches But the Lord isn't just teaching us about how to grow the grace He has given us. There is a lot to learn here and throughout the scriptures about what to do with our money. He tells us that everything that we have was given to us is for one purpose: growth in perfection. Growth in Christ. The healing of this world. The spreading of the Gospel. The increasing and superabundance of grace in our lives, our parish, and this world. As with spiritual gifts, not all of us are given the same gifts … but we are all called to grow what we have been given to the glory of God. • Ten talents: These people have the possibility/ability to give up all their money and possessions and follow Christ. (e.g. the holy disciples and apostles). Not everyone has the ability to do this. Not everyone is strong enough. Thank God that some are. The witness of monks. • Five talents: These people have too many God-blessed responsibilities to give up all their money and possessions, but they can offer up a large proportion of their income. Not everyone is strong enough to do this. This is only possible for people who have made a discipline of simplicity and budgeted towards giving and either have a large salary proportional to their needs or – much less likely - who have come into a windfall (joke about the lottery). Examples: Saint Joachim – 2/3; Zacheous: half plus; (and lest we think this is just for the rich) the widow's mite. • One talent – done right!!!: “what must I do to be saved” Orthopraxis! Follow the law and live a life a love. Give proportionally according to your income. Make sacrifices for the Gospel. Offer what you can and grow that grace! Important caveat: for most of us, Orthodoxy requires balancing competing commitments. When it comes to money, it really comes down budgeting and making every dollar count. Family responsibilities and paying debts are Christian obligations. Duty done well is done to the glory of God. Our God is not a God of irresponsibility. We have to find the balance – but in finding that balance, we need to let Christian morality – and not vices like laziness, self-indulgence, or fear – be our guides. Saint Paul makes this clear in his second letter to the Corinthians (8:8-12 & 9:6-9; glossed a bit): Now I want to tell you what God in his grace has done for the churches in Macedonia. Though they have been going through much trouble and hard times, they have mixed their wonderful joy with their deep poverty, and the result has been an overflow of giving to others. They gave not only what they could afford but far more; and I can testify that they did it because they wanted to and not because of nagging on my part. They begged us to take the money so they could share in the joy of helping the Christians in Jerusalem. Best of all, they went beyond our highest hopes, for their first action was to dedicate themselves to the Lord and to us, for whatever directions God might give to them through us. [This reminds me of the statistics that show no correlations between wealth and the proportion that is given to charity – just look at the faithfulness of the people in “poor” churches!] The people in this other church were so enthusiastic about helping out through sacrificial giving that we have urged Titus, who encouraged your giving in the first place, to visit you and encourage you to complete your share in this same ministry of giving. You people there are leaders in so many ways—you have so much faith, so many good preachers, so much learning, so much enthusiasm, so much love… Now I want you to be leaders also in the spirit of cheerful giving. I am not giving you an order; I am not saying you must do it or how much you should give … But this is one way to show that your love and dedication is real, that it goes beyond mere words. You know how full of love and kindness our Lord Jesus was: though he was so very rich, yet to help you he became so very poor, so that by being poor he could make you rich. You were enthusiastic when you started down this path. Now let your early enthusiasm be equaled by your realistic action now. But hear this: if you are really eager to give, then it isn't important how much you have to give. God wants you to give what you have, not what you haven't. But remember this—if you give little, you will get little. A farmer who plants just a few seeds will get only a small crop, but if he plants much, he will reap much. Everyone must make up his own mind as to how much he should give. Don't force anyone to give more than he really wants to, for God loves the cheerful giver. God is able to make it up to you by giving you everything you need and more so that there will not only be enough for your own needs but plenty left over to give joyfully to others. It is as the Scriptures say: “The godly man gives generously to the poor. His good deeds will be an honor to him forever.” God loves a cheerful giver, one who offers up gifts of his own free will – without compulsion. Our lives – and the life of our parish – have to be modeled around this fact. We don't do dues. Dues are compulsory, whether they are a few hundred dollars or an imposition of the more biblical tithe. The extortion of income is the work of highway robbers and governments – not the parish. So while some of us have the ability, discipline, and JOY to budget around a tithe, not everyone can. The command is to offer up what you can to the glory of God and building up of joy in your life. Let me conclude: The point is that all we have been given – both our spiritual and material gifts – has been given to us one purpose: the one thing needful. If we invest all those things that have been put into our care: our time, our abilities, and yes, our monetary treasures, into the service of the Most High, then in the day when we are called to account for the way we lived lives here on earth, we will hear those words that we know so well, “well done good and faithful servant – receive now your crown!' And if not? God cannot force us into paradise against our will. If we decided in our lifetime to follow the example of the servant who hid his talent, then we will receive the same reward he did. That's the Gospel. No matter how much – or little - we have been entrusted with, we have a choice; it is the same choice all people of all places and times are given. Here is how Joshua put back in his day (Joshua 24:14-15; with glosses): So revere the One True God and serve Him in sincerity and truth. Put away forever the idols of your ancestors. Worship the One True God and Him alone. But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the false gods your ancestors served or the false gods of the land in which you now live. It is your choice. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD. The Christian parish must be full of men and women – no matter their station, sinfulness, or abilities – who have made that same choice. “As for me and my household – that is to say, as for me and all of you – I know that we will serve the Lord.”
Host Jeremy C. Park talks with Graham Gibbs, Founder and President of Five Talents Faithful, who shares some of his personal and professional background and what led him to launch the nonprofit with the purpose of "helping other nonprofit organizations as they strive towards good financial stewardship by making the most out of the resources they have been given."During the interview, Graham shares some of the ways Five Talents Faithful has worked with other nonprofits and churches on projects ranging from purchasing and product sourcing to transportation and overseas logistics. He provides an update on their goal to impact 1 million lives in 5 years with more than 716,000 lives already impacted through 60 organizations served, with a cost savings nearing $500,000. Graham wraps up talking about ways the community can support their efforts and how nonprofits can connect with Five Talents Faithful to see if they can help.Visit www.fivetalentsfaithful.org to learn more.
Sarah Herndon joined the show to talk about Five Talents, a ministry focused on eradicating extreme poverty and creating sustainable communities in nine countries by partnering with local churches to provide programs for business and literacy training.Sarah Herndon joined the Five Talents team in March 2019. Her work centers on finding meaningful ways to more deeply involve Five Talents' local church partners into their mission.Sarah comes with a media and communications background. She received her Bachelor's Degree in Media Arts and Design and Sports Communication from James Madison University. During her senior year, Sarah caught the news bug while working as a morning production assistant for the ABC affiliate in Harrisonburg and went on to report, produce and anchor at a small station in Winchester where she also met her husband. Two years later, she traded in her high heels for flip flops to report for WINK News in sunny Southwest Florida. When she moved back to the hustle and bustle of Northern Virginia a few years later, she worked in marketing and eventually joined the Five Talents team as the Church Engagement and Events Coordinator. Sarah never totally gave up her microphone though, as she also teaches group fitness classes several days a week at two local gyms. In her spare time, you can find Sarah and her husband, Mason chasing around their 17-month-old son, MJ. They attend Christ Church Vienna where Sarah sings in the worship band.
Libraries are filled with books on the parables of Christ, and rightly so. In the words of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, “While civilizations have come and gone, these stories continue to teach us anew with their freshness and their humanity.” Two millennia later, the New Testament parables remain ubiquitous, and yet few have stopped to glean wisdom from one of Christ's most prevalent analogies: the use of money.In The Economics of the Parables, Rev. Robert Sirico pulls back the veil of modernity to reveal the timeless economic wisdom of the parables. Thirteen central stories—including “The Laborers in the Vineyard,” “The Rich Fool,” “The Five Talents,” and “The Faithful Steward”—serve as his guide, revealing practical lessons in caring for the poor, stewarding wealth, distributing inheritances, navigating income disparities, and resolving family tensions. Rev. Robert A. Sirico is the president emeritus and co-founder of the Acton Institute, and pastor emeritus of Sacred Heart of Jesus parish in Grand Rapids, Mich. His writings on religious, political, economic, and social matters are published in a variety of journals, including: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, the London Financial Times, the Washington Times, The Detroit News, and National Review. He is the author of numerous books, including Defending the Free Market: The Moral Case for a Free Economy, A Moral Basis for Liberty, and The Economics of the Parables.Subscribe to our podcastsThe Economics of the Parables | Acton Book Shop Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Brian Fikkert is the Founder and President of the Chalmers Center for Economic Development as well as the co-author of the well known book When Helping Hurts. From an early age, Brian felt called to work in the area of poverty. Despite his formal training in economics, he felt early on that the prevailing understanding of poverty left much lacking. On one hand, economists tended to define people as entirely physical. On the other hand, the church tended to define people as purely spiritual. But the more Brian was exposed to the poor, the more he came to see poverty as a complicated blend of the two. Brian founded the Chalmers Center at Covenant College to guide the Church in it's response to poverty. Their initial work with microfinance and local savings unions worldwide has gone on to large scale operations with organizations like Hope International and Five Talents. And their work in the U.S. has expanded to include jobs preparedness, welfare training, and financial literacy. A number of years ago, Brian and the Chalmers Center published the well known book When Helping Hurts, which has become a cornerstone on the core principles of poverty alleviation. Brian had a wealth of wisdom to share on topics like knowing when to provide relief, rehabilitation, and development as well as how to flip from a needs-based approach to an assets-based approach. He also had some insightful thoughts on the ways that donors and nonprofits interact with each other and how we as givers can most wisely steward the dollars given to us. Listen now to hear all Brian had to share! QUOTES TO REMEMBER “We tend to define poverty as a lack of physical things, hence our solutions tend towards providing physical things” “The poor tend to describe their condition in far more psychological and social terms.” “If you can actually get people working again, it has it's own therapeutic effect.” “Most poor people in the world are not in a crisis, they are actually in a chronic condition.” There is a place for bringing in outside resources when the local resources are inadequate, but those outside resources should only be brought in when they compliment the internal resources rather than crush them.” “I think financial supporters have one of the most difficult jobs in the whole world.” “We've got to start moving into how God really works in the world, and most of us aren't functioning out of that very well.” “We are functioning out of a theory of change that is more reflective of a Western individualism than of a proper understanding of what a human being is.” “There's a better story for the poor, and there's a better story for us, than the story of the American Dream of highly individualistic, highly self-centered, highly materialistic existence.” “God has wired us to be priest-rulers to extend his reign and his worship from the Garden of Eden throughout all of creation. “ “Every nonprofit is terrified of their financial resource partners.” LINKS FROM THE SHOW The Chalmers Center for Economic Development at Covenant College The Innovate course by the Chalmers Center Brian's book When Helping Hurts Brian's books Becoming Whole and A Field Guide to Becoming Whole Hope International Five Talents Compassion International Tear Fund Reconciled World Seed Effect First Fruit The Finish Line Community Facebook Group The Finish Line Forum BIBLE REFERENCES FROM THE SHOW 1 Peter 2:9 | The Royal Priesthood 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Revelation 5:10 | Kings and Rulers 10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU! If you have a thought about something you heard, or a story to share, please reach out! You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn. You can also contact us directly from our contact page. If you want to engage with the Finish Line Community, check out our Facebook Group and our online forums.
Each Wednesday evening, we host a gathering for leaders in our community to sit under various teachers and gain insight and wisdom for where God has placed them. This week, David Morrison shares on The Parable of Five Talents and our responsibility as kingdom people. Support the show (https://www.thealtar.org/give)
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Five Talents, a remarkable charity that works in East Africa helps to lift recipients out of poverty. But not by doling out cash. Instead they support them to lend to each other.
Does your team need training and coaching to help people find a fit, alignment, productivity and clarity to exceed their potential? Do you feel like you were made for more? Are you ready to take your team's communication up another gear?Then you might need Bert Robinson, President at Inpowering People.“I do coaching and consulting with my company Inpowering People. I'm in Firestone, Colorado, out in the Rocky Mountains, and have been doing this for over 12 years now. And basically, when I'm at my best, I inspire and align people to be their creative best.”Twelve years ago, Bert had an epiphany relating to the notion of positive psychology - if you can harness the talents and the job you're in, and those two things come together. You'll never work another day in your life.Bert and his team help people and businesses discover their untapped talents and potential, building them into performance that achieves tremendous success professionally and personally. In this genuinely insightful episode, Bert talks about CliftonStrengths, how to help an executive team develop the language to have difficult conversations and the positive elements of strengths. We rattled on for a bit, so the episode is a bit longer than usual, but we thoroughly enjoyed the conversation; we hope you will too. On today's podcast:The Inpowering People toolsetFinding your strengths with CliftonStrengthsUnderstanding your top five talent themesWe all think differentlyLearning to ask for helpInpowerULinks:Listeners discount
Neumeier believes that the metaskills we need in a post-industrial economy are feeling (intuition and empathy), seeing (systems thinking), dreaming (applied imagination), making (design), and learning (autodidactics). These are not the skills we were taught in school. Yet they're the skills we'll need to harness the curve. In explaining each of the metaskills, he offers encouragement and concrete advice for mastering their intricacies. At the end of the book, he lays out seven changes that education can make to foster these important talents. Order a copy from your local bookshop or buy it on Amazon at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Metaskills-Five-Talents-Robotic-Age/dp/0321898672
Matthew 25:14-30
Martin Yelling, host of podcast Marathon Talk, international athlete, duathlete and triathlete joins me on todays episode. Martin has been running for over 40 years and is also the Head Coach for the London Marathon, helping lots of runners on their journey towards the 26.2 In todays episode we chatted about his role with the London Marathon and our thoughts on the recent elite races, our time in Kenya with Impact Marathon 2 years ago where we almost a marathon and supported the charity Five Talents, all about the Marathon Talk podcast and the impact it has on the wider running community and what Martin has lined up for the future in 2021. Martin is very easy to chat to so at points our conversation digressed but all really positive things about running! Martin also shared his news about his book which will be available in February 2021. Available to preorder now - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Running-Midpack-Strong-Successful-Runner-ebook/dp/B08CNF62R8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=running+in+the+midpack&qid=1603294127&sr=8-1
Good news about the US Olympic Marathon Trials, and for Scottish marathoners, and for the BMC. Five Talents are putting on a great running weekend this October and are offering a chance to win complimentary places. Martin interviews English fellrunner, Steve Birkinshaw. Tony’s here with some Trials, and Facebook Friday peruses your Strava masterpieces.
On this week’s show Martin is joined by Anji Andrews in hosting the show for the first time. There’s some super fast running on the track from Charlie Grice, a new women’s mile WR and a new women’s marathon WR (pushing a triple buggy!), Join the charity Five Talents at the Eden Project Marathon for free! In an extended interview Martin speaks to the quite incredible Wainwright record running Paul Tierney.
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We offer the chance to win a trip to Kenya with Five Talents, you can sign yourself up for Running Down Dementia, and it’s the Night of the 10,000m PBs this Saturday. Peter Thompson is running Le Tour, there’s a new 800m world record by a Brit, we speak to Steve Way about his upcoming Comrades, the 2019 world championships marathon will be at midnight, Tom Evans grabs bronze at the world trail running champs, and you could run the Strava mile.
This week sign up is live for our trip with Five Talents to Kenya, we talk about you running as cartoon characters, it’s Elite Week at London Marathon as they announce Bekele and the Brits. There’s surprise at the Kenyan Commonwealth marathon team and Yuki wins an Ekiden relay race as a team of 1. We’re joined by sports psychology consultant Josie Perry, you rate your run, share your pictures in MT kit all around the world and stand on our weekly listener podium
Martin's back from an incredible trip to Kenya with Five Talents, shares all the news and speaks to Marathon Talk Kenya campers Ben Foster and Nikki Chamberlain as well as Nick Kershaw from Impact Marathons and Rachel Lindley from Five Talents. The NYC marathon saw the first female American champion for 40 years. Jemima Sumgong gets a doping ban upheld. British para-sport is in classification crises. Training Talk is sponsored by Runderwear, we catch up with founder Richard Edmunds and Martin shares how not to get a marathon in Kenya right. You rate your run, show off your kit and stand on the podium.
Matthew 25:14-15 14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
We talk song lyrics and Aftershokz give away a pair of headphones, Stryd offer you the chance to win a power meter, Yuki and his brother zip up their suits, Jake Wightman proper legs it, the Skid Row film looks great. We talk to the phenomenal Peter Thompson about his 44 marathons in 44 days in 44 different European countries. Oh, and you’ve got the chance to run a marathon in Kenya with Martin and Five Talents.
Matthew 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. In This Episode, We Look At: The lord of these servants knew their work ethic very well. We see that their lord distributed to each servant his wealth according to the faithfulness they have previously displayed. We see that he displayed grace by giving a portion to his servant that perhaps had not previously displayed faithfulness while in his presence—yet he gave him an opportunity to be faithful in his absence. God has called all of His children to be faithful stewards in every area that He has entrusted us with. God knows our individual hearts and He knows if we are faithful or unfaithful. He gives to each of us according to our varying levels of faithfulness and trustworthiness. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. Luke 16:10 Are we currently faithful with what God has already entrusted to us as opposed to waiting for more before we start honoring Him? The starting place for financial faithfulness… As we acknowledge that everything belongs to the Lord, we need to also acknowledge that the tithe is the Lord’s. The heart that desires to cheerfully honor the Lord with finances will find that there will be more to honor the Lord with. There is that scattereth and yet increaseth. Proverbs 11:24a …And he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 2 Corinthians 9:6b Today's Resources and Links: Books referenced in this episode: If God is Good, by Randy Alcorn The Root of Riches, by Chuck Bentley One Thing You Can Do Today to Improve Your Faith and Finances: Purpose to honor the Lord with what He has currently entrusted you with. God works through those whose hearts desire to do more for the kingdom of God. What Are Your Thoughts? If you have a question or comment about today's topic, we invite you to share your thoughts.
This fifth talent runs through and unifies the first four. Detached mindfulness is paying attention in the moment, on purpose, without judgement. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 63 in the series.
This fifth talent runs through and unifies the first four. Detached mindfulness is paying attention in the moment, on purpose, without judgement. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 63 in the series.
There are only two problems. Either you know what you want, but not how to get it, or you simply do not know what you want. In both cases, follow your heart. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 62 in the series.
There are only two problems. Either you know what you want, but not how to get it, or you simply do not know what you want. In both cases, follow your heart. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 62 in the series.
Your emotional feelings are done to you. They are responses to what's been done to you. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 61 in the series.
Your emotional feelings are done to you. They are responses to what's been done to you. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 61 in the series.
Logic reasons from general to specific. Conceptual Understanding requires one to reason from specific to general -- largely, a matter of intuition. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 60 in the series.
Logic reasons from general to specific. Conceptual Understanding requires one to reason from specific to general -- largely, a matter of intuition. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 60 in the series.
The Five Talents are a set of personal & spiritual development skills presented as practical tools to help you in your daily life & affairs. The first talents helps you go beyond simplistic, binary thinking to the third or middle way. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 59 in the series.
The Five Talents are a set of personal & spiritual development skills presented as practical tools to help you in your daily life & affairs. The first talents helps you go beyond simplistic, binary thinking to the third or middle way. Visit http:www.TheAgelessWisdom.com or call (818) 569-3017 for more information. To learn more about Michael's Premium Audio Programs visit http://www.FocusedPassion.com. To learn more about Michael's other projects please visit http://www.MichaelBenner.com. Program number 59 in the series.
Circle Connections: Women Connecting to Act-In, Act-Up, Act-Out & Act-Together
Five Talents fights poverty, creates jobs and transforms lives, empowering the poor using innovative savings and microcredit programs, business training and spiritual development. Mary Beth Campbell joins us to share the importance of Five Talents and why she is passionate about giving people the opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty by providing access to basic savings and microcredit services built on trusted community traditions.
Circle Connections: Women Connecting to Act-In, Act-Up, Act-Out & Act-Together
Five Talents fights poverty, creates jobs and transforms lives, empowering the poor using innovative savings and microcredit programs, business training and spiritual development. Mary Beth Campbell joins us to share the importance of Five Talents and why she is passionate about giving people the opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty by providing access to basic savings and microcredit services built on trusted community traditions.
Introduction I love the words of David Livingstone who was a courageous pioneer, a Scottish missionary in the 19th century, whose exploratory work in the dark continent of Africa opened the way for many other missionaries that followed to penetrate the African interior with the gospel. This is a man who endured immense suffering for the cause of Christ. He was once attacked by a lion on the mission field, crushing his shoulder to the point where its mobility would be hindered the rest of his life. David Livingstone married and deeply loved Mary Moffat, who was the daughter of a missionary hero and leader, but because of the difficulty of travel, the various sicknesses that ..., he would spend more than half of their 18 years of married life separate from his beloved wife. The couple lost a child to sickness on the mission field, and later, Livingstone lost his own beloved wife as well to sickness, directly related to their mission work. And during his time in Africa, Livingstone once went three years without any correspondence from the outside world from friends or family, because those letters just couldn't reach him where he was in Africa. But for all of this on December 4, 1857, he was speaking to students of Cambridge University about his years of missionary service, and this is what he said, “For my own part, I have never ceased to rejoice that God has appointed me to such an office. People talk of the sacrifice I have made in spending so much of my life in Africa. Can that be called a sacrifice which is simply paid back as a small part of a great debt owing to our God, which we can never repay? Is that a sacrifice which brings its own blessed reward in healthful activity, the consciousness of doing good, peace of mind, and a bright hope of a glorious destiny hereafter. Away with the word in such a view, away with such a thought. It is emphatically no sacrifice. Say rather it is a privilege. Anxiety, sickness, suffering, or danger now and then, with the forgoing of the common conveniences and charities of this life may make us pause, may cause the spirit to waiver, may cause the soul to sink. But let this only be for a moment. All of these are nothing when compared with the glory which shall hereafter be revealed in and for us. I never made a sacrifice. Of this we ought not to talk when we remember the great sacrifice which he made who left his Father's throne on high to give himself for us.” Oh, may that be my sweet attitude the rest of my life, “I never made a sacrifice.” Now, of course for some Christians, it may in some sense literally be true, sadly. There are some Christians that really don't sacrifice much for Jesus. Following Jesus doesn't really cost them much at all, they don't leave any place of safety or comfort for Jesus. If anything, Jesus and following Him has been an enhancer in their already pretty good life. But I'm not speaking of that, I'm speaking of a different kind of life, a life of glory and honor and praise in which we actually do take up our cross daily and follow Jesus, in which we put sin to death by the power of the Holy Spirit, courageously so, and grow in glorious personal holiness, against all the pulls of the world, the flesh, and the devil. And in which we follow Jesus for the benefit and the salvation of others who need to hear the gospel. I would like to make, actually, many such sacrifices, but I would love to have David Livingstone's attitude, “I never made a sacrifice.” Some people make much of their sacrifices. You've probably been around someone who is in the process of doing so. They talk a lot about the labor and the effort and the struggle and how hard it's been and all this kind of thing. Can you imagine Mary pouring out that perfume on the feet of Jesus, “I hope you know, Jesus, how much this is costing me. This is well over a year's wage here. I saved up, I was gonna use this on myself, but now I'm spending it on you. Hope you recognize my personal sacrifice in the matter.” Away with such a thought, perish such an attitude! And yet how easy it is for us to slip into that kind of attitude, isn't it? Like Martha who is laboring one day to get a meal ready for Jesus, you remember that? Working so hard getting all the dishes ready, getting the house straightened, all that, and there's her sister Mary, sitting at Jesus' feet and just soaking in time with Jesus. And here's the attitude, Luke 10:40, “Martha was distracted with much serving. And she went up to [Christ] and said, ‘Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Tell her then to help me.’” I think at that particular moment, she's not just put out with Mary, she's put out with Jesus. And she's not quite sure why it is that Jesus is rewarding her behavior at that particular moment. The Lord wants us to learn to make sacrifices. Yes, there are times like Martha to be very, very busy in the service of the Lord, but it's easy to lose perspective and we start to have a hard heart, even toward the Lord, and say, “Don't you care? Don't you see all the things I'm doing? All of my labors for you.” And to start having hard feelings toward other servants of the Lord and see their labors as insignificant, as though what they're doing isn't anywhere near as costly as what we're giving, that kind of thing. I believe it's in destroying that kind of attitude, for the reason of destroying that attitude, that Jesus told the parable we're studying today, the Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard, or of the Generous Landowner. Understanding the Context: “The First will Be Last, and the Last First” Peter’s Question So let's try to understand the context. Peter is concerned about their own sacrifices, his and the other apostles, and the topic of treasure in Heaven had come up with the rich young ruler, and Peter is interested in the topic of treasure in Heaven. He said, “Lord, we have left everything to follow you, what then will there be for us?” And Jesus does in fact promise them lavish rewards, “At the renewal of all things,” He says, “When the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, then you who have followed me will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” So they're going to be lavishly rewarded, and anyone, everyone who follows Jesus will receive a hundred times what they give up, even in this life, and in the age to come, eternal life, he says. Jesus’ Final Statement…Repeated But at the end of that teaching, if you look at chapter 19 and verse 30, the last verse of the previous chapter, Jesus said this statement, “Many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.” This is a surprising statement. What could this mean? And I think He tells this parable to explain what He means, that many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first, look at verse 1 of chapter 20, “For the kingdom of Heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard.” So the word “for” means He's going to explain what He means in the previous verse, that many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first. And I think this is very important because He repeats the doctrine at the end of the parable, verse 16, look at Matthew 20:16, “So the last will be first and the first will be last.” This Parable Explains The Principle “The First Will Be Last, and the Last First” So I believe that any interpretation of this parable that does not explain whatever Jesus means by that, misses the point. This is the point, the point is that many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first or the last will be first and the first will be last. There's a kind of reversal coming, a different way of understanding things is coming, and you need to prepare yourself for it. And so I think He's getting the apostles ready to think differently about their life of sacrifice and service. Maybe they're going to be the laborers in the vineyard who spend 12 hours all day long, bearing the burden of the work in the heat of the day. How will they think about that? Will they be ready to understand the rewards that are coming on that final day, on Judgment Day? Understanding the Parable: The Payment of Various Laborers A Landowner Seeks Laborers So let's understand this parable. A landowner goes out and seeks laborers to work in his vineyard. He goes out early in the morning, he is zealous, he's proactive, he's looking for workers for his vineyard. And he's agreeing to pay these laborers a denarius for the day. Verse 2, “He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.” An Agreement Reached Now these are day laborers. They're perhaps at the lowest level of labor in the society, They're not household slaves, they don't have a permanent place in the household, there's no protection for them at all, except that the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 24 made certain that those day laborers would get their wage at the end of the day. But then all bets are off, all arrangements are over, there's no permanent contract. As soon as that day of labor is over, they're unemployed again the next day. That's who he's hiring here. And the denarius that they agreed to is nothing remarkable. It's actually the common rate. A denarius was equal to a day-wage for a common laborer out in the vineyard, so there was nothing that remarkable about it. He agreed to the going rate, a denarius, and sent them into the vineyard. More Laborers Hired Throughout the Day But then as the day unfolds the owner of the vineyard, the landowner, decides he wants more and more workers, so he continues to go out again and again and hire more people. Look at verse 3 through 5, “About the third hour, he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard and I will pay you whatever is right.’” Literally whatever is just, I will be fair in my handling of you. So these workers take this man at his word. There's no agreement about a denarius or anything, just trust my justice and go. And so they went. The same process characterizes the whole day. Verse 5, he went out again about the sixth hour, the ninth hour, and did the same thing. Finally an hour before sunset, there's almost no time left, he goes out one last time, “About the eleventh hour,” verses 6 and 7, “he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long, doing nothing?’ ‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered. He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’” Now again, there's no promise of pay, there's no denarius agreed to. As a matter of fact, he doesn't even say I'll pay you anything. He doesn't say like he did with the second hiring, “I'll pay you whatever is right,” he just says, “Go and work in my vineyard.” So these men just go, hoping against hope that they might get something for their labor. And they go and work for that hour. Payday, and the Last are Paid First Now it's time for pay. In verse 8, “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’” This is the first surprise, that the ones that are hired last are honored in that they get their wage first. They are preferred, they are chosen to be paid first. And this, I think, is at least in a literalistic sort of sense, the honor that Christ was referring to in 19 and verse 30, “Many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first,” and again in verse 16, “So the last will be first and the first will be last.” So these men that are just hired at the end of the day, after not doing anything all day long, they just come and work for one hour, and they are honored by getting their wage first, everyone else has to wait. The Surprising Generosity of the Landowner But we also see the surprising generosity of the landowner. He gives them a denarius for one hour of work. This is entirely unexpected. There's no way they could have demanded it, no way they could have had a sense that this is what they deserved. They must have been overwhelmed by a sense of gratitude toward the landowner as they received whatever it is they get for their labor. It's actually to some degree I think a 12-fold increase of wage. Twelve times what they could have expected to get because they only worked 1/12 of the day. It's really astonishing generosity. Now the other workers, those hired second and third in the middle part of the day, we have no idea what happened to them. I guess the assumption is that they also received a denarius. But we have nothing said about them, in any case. The Complaint by the Hardest Workers But now come the laborers who have been there all day. Look at Verses 10 through 12, “So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. And when they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner, ‘These men who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’” Now this is an ugly little moment in Biblical history, an ugly little moment of human nature being revealed. But oddly enough, now just be honest, doesn't their complaint actually make a little bit of sense to you? Don't you feel like, actually, you know, if I were a lawyer, I probably could press this case. I think there's something about equal pay for equal work and this seems like a case of discrimination to me. Aren't there laws about that? And something's wrong, there's some kind of favoritism going on here. I have to admit it makes sense to me, but then the flip side makes sense too. How could we argue against getting what we agreed to get? And so we're a bit puzzled by the whole justice thing here. It seems unfair, your attitude at least it seems in Jesus' mind, is abominable. The owner literally says their eye is evil, they are jealous in some sense, their focus is completely on themselves, their sacrifices, their labor. They've worked harder, they've worked longer, they've borne the burden of the work, they've borne the heat of the day. I find it interesting, as you study the parables of Jesus that have to do with labor, how many times the workers bring some kind of charge against the master or king or owner. It happens in the parables, the Parable of the Five Talents, Two Talents, and One Talent. Remember that one? The one with the one talent hides it in the ground, and when he gives his reason for why he did it, he said, “I know that you're a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed,” you are harsh, you're unjust, you're unfair in what you do. You get the same thing in the Parable of the Ten Minas, just almost exactly the same words in Luke 19:21, “‘I was afraid of you,’ he said, ‘Because you're a hard man, you take out what you did not put in and you reap what you did not sow.’” And then there's the elder brother in the Parable of the Prodigal Son. You remember his attitude. He's standing on the outside looking in, he's not coming into that party, no way. Prodigal son has returned and the father throws a party for him, and the older brother is enraged, at the father's lavish generosity. And he's standing on the outside and will not come in, and the father comes out to beg him to enter, and he said, “Look! all these years I have been slaving for you and I've never disobeyed your orders, yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, well you kill the fattened calf for him.” What a poisonous attitude, all three of these parables display the poisonous human attitude toward God's sovereign generosity. I wanna talk more about that theme next week, God's sovereign generosity, how He is free to be as generous as he wants with his own things. We'll talk about that more next week. But there's a poisonous attitude here. The Assertion of the Landowner’s Right to be Generous So the landowner has to assert his right to be generous, verses 13 through 15, “He answered one of them, ‘Friend, I'm not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’” Now there's a lot of truth in what he says there. I'm going to go into it in more in detail next time with God's sovereign generosity. But there's no matter of injustice here, friends, not at all. This is a matter of generosity, this is a matter of grace, a matter of freedom, and the owner has the right to be as generous as he wants to be. There's no matter of injustice. Take your denarius and go away. You got what you worked for, you got what you labored for. Justice is yours, you get what you deserve. And Christ's final word on this in verse 16 is, “So the last will be first and the first will be last.” Understanding the Options: Two Choices Alright, so how are we to interpret this parable? I think there are two good options. One of them I think is a little bit better than the other. My own mind has changed on this parable, and I don't know if I'll succeed in changing yours, but these are two biblical themes that step forward to offer interpretations to these parables, both of the themes are true, but is this what Jesus was telling the parable for? That's the question I'm asking. Option #1: The Parable is About Eternal Life as a Free Gift So what is the first way of interpreting this parable? Well, the focus of that interpretation is that everybody gets the same reward no matter how much they work. You work 12 hours, you work one hour, you get the denarius. Everybody gets the denarius. One hour of work, the denarius. Twelve hours of work, you get the denarius. The focus then is on the denarius, the reward, and this interpretive approach says that this has to do with eternal life and those blessings of the gospel, which are equally enjoyed by everyone, no matter how much work you put in for the kingdom. And so your labor, your work for Christ, your sacrifices, your efforts does not directly connect to the eternal reward. You don't get more of that reward if you work harder. It's simply by grace. And so in some sense it's talking about the blessings of eternal life, the blessings of the gospel, that everyone has access to equally, in no way connected to their work, their labor. I think this is possible in verse 29 of Matthew 19, Jesus says, “Everyone who's left houses or brothers or sisters or father, mother, children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.” So eternal life is at least somewhere in Jesus' view, He's thinking about it. It could be the denarius then represents eternal life, and that everyone gets the same access to that if they simply believe in Jesus. So if you're a sinner, you've come here today, you've never trusted in Jesus, completely disconnected from any work you may ever do or hope to do, the Lord offers you freely eternal life. He offers you full forgiveness of all of your sins, past, present, and future, you can't work for that. He offers you adoption into the family of God, that you could be a child of God. You can't work for that. That he gives you the indwelling Holy Spirit as a deposit guaranteeing the full inheritance, that when you die, your spirit will be made perfect, and you will be in the very presence of God. At the glorious resurrection day, you will have a resurrection body, every bit as fair and glorious as anybody else's, not in any way connected with your labor or how hard you worked. And then there will be a multitude greater than anyone could count, standing around that throne, from every tribe and language and people and nation, and they will be before the throne and they will be falling down before God, and any crowns that they have, they'll be throwing before Jesus, some more and some fewer, but it doesn't matter. We're all on our faces before Jesus, giving Him glory and praise, and everyone gets free access to that who has trusted in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. And so I'm pleading with you, if you've never trusted in Jesus, you've never believed in Him, that you might trust in Him for the forgiveness of your sins, that you might receive these blessings, that you might be able to drink water from the river of life that's going to flow clear as crystal from the throne of God, that you might be able to eat from the tree of life that stands on each side of that river and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations, that you might actually partake and see those glorious sights, just as clearly and beautifully as anyone else who ever labored for Jesus, that it might be yours. And these are given freely by faith, apart from works, you can't earn them. It doesn't matter how long you serve Christ, with what great sacrifice, how many years of labor or minutes even of labor, it's available for you. I would say the chief witness to this truth would be the thief on the cross, wouldn't you? The thief on the cross is there next to Jesus, he's dying, he looks over to Jesus and he says, “Remember me, Lord, when you come in your kingdom,” and he says, the Lord Jesus says, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” What did that man do? What could he do? His hands were nailed, they couldn't move, his feet were nailed, they couldn't move. There were no good works he could do. And oh, how offensive is that theme to some non-Christians by the way. Somebody on murderer's row, all they have to do is pray a prayer and they can be forgiven of everything and go to Heaven when they die, have equal access to the table of God? “Oh no, no, That's unjust, that's unfair. I don't want any part of a God who would do that.” Well at the core of that attitude is that you have to earn your salvation, friends. Don't you see? You've gotta earn it, you gotta go do some good works. The thief on the cross couldn't do any good works and so they're offended by that way of thinking. John MacArthur follows this line of interpretation. He says in this parable, Jesus wants his disciples to understand that everything they get from the master is pure grace, given sovereignly and freely, apart from anything they deserve, they cannot earn it. It's given equally and freely to all to whom the grace comes. “Believing tax collectors, prostitutes, criminals, social outcasts will have the same Heavenly residence as Paul, Augustine, Luther and Wesley. There are no servant quarters, there are no lower-class neighborhoods in Heaven, everyone will have a room in the Father's house, specially prepared for him by the Son. Every believer is a part of the church, the bride of Christ, every believer is a child of God, and a fellow heir with Christ, every believer is blessed with ‘every spiritual blessing in the Heavenly places’ in Christ.” Well, I think all of that's true, I think it's gloriously true. I think it's marvelous for us to meditate that our labors, the labors of our hands, have nothing to do with the blessings of the gospel. They're just given by grace, contrary, frankly, to what we truly deserve. Eternal life is given equally to all, regardless of their labor and service to the kingdom. But is this the purpose of the parable here? Is this why Jesus is telling the parable? I actually don't think so. First of all, the denarius was given to those who labored for 12 hours as a just payment for what they deserved. They would have looked at it that way, they got what they deserved, it was justice, they had earned their denarius. And therefore, I actually don't think that those truths that I've just been saying so vigorously, and they are true, is really being taught here concerning the denarius. I don't think the denarius represents Heaven, I don't think it represents eternal life. Secondly, the “everyone is equal in the kingdom” view fails to deal with the reason why Jesus told the parable, and that is that some are gonna be honored above others in a surprising way. Some that we think of in this world as first are actually gonna be last, and some that we think of in this world as last, are actually gonna be honored first above everyone else. Option #2: The Parable is About God’s Sovereign Right to Judge Our Labor So therefore, I think that the parable is to distinguish between the servants and the vineyard and the basis by which he's going to give the rewards. It's about God's sovereign right to judge and assess our labor for the kingdom. In 1 Corinthians 4:5, it says, “Judge nothing until the appointed time. Wait till the Lord comes, he will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will reveal or expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time, each will receive his praise from God.” Praise from God is the reward, motive of the heart is the connection. What is going on in the heart during the 12 hours of labor? What's going on in the heart for that one hour of labor? That's the difference, that's what I think this parable is about. Could very well be that that one hour put in by those workers who didn't know whether they'd even get anything at all, who were just glad to be there. Nobody had hired them all day long, they were just glad to be there and just were putting themselves completely in the hands of the owner and hoped that they might get something for what they did. Might have been a sweeter hour and more of an honor and a glory to the landowner than the 12 hours cranked out by those that were hired first. I actually think so when you look at the attitude of those that come in and say, “We have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day, and you've made them equal to us.” They had jockeyed for position, they thought of themselves as better than the others. I think people are going to be surprised by God's way of assessing on Judgment Day. I don't think it's gonna be a complete mystery. I think the Lord's given us these kinds of parables and instructions to tell us, that humble cheerful servanthood done to other brothers and sisters and for the glory of God will be highly rewarded on Judgment Day, apart from any accolades you get in this life. We know that. But do we really know it? And I think there's gonna be some people that are gonna be surprised on Judgment Day. So who's the chief witness for this interpretive approach? Well, I think it's the widow who put in the two copper coins. You remember the story in Luke 21. Jesus was watching the rich put in their gifts into the temple treasury, and “He saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. ‘I tell you the truth,’ said Jesus, ‘this widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.’” So what Jesus is saying is, When rewards are given for giving, financial generosity, she's gonna be at the head of the line. No one would have predicted that except that Jesus instructed us concerning it. That Jesus is actually analyzing not the quantity of work done by us, but the heart quality of it. Do we have a loving, submissive, generous, cheerful heart while we serve the Lord or not? “God loves a cheerful giver,” it says in 2 Corinthians 9:7. I don't think the 12-hour laborers were cheerful as they labored. 1 Corinthians 13:3 testifies to the truth of what I'm saying here, “If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames but have not love, I gain nothing.” That's an incredibly challenging teaching, isn't it? That there is a way you can make huge sacrifices in this life and still gain nothing for it, 'cause it wasn't done with the right heart attitude. Your motive wasn't what it should have been. Well, what should our motive be, what should our attitude be? Well, how about that of Jacob when he was working seven years to get Rachel to be his wife. You remember that? For seven years, he labored that he might have the right, that he might earn the right to her hand in marriage. And it says in Genesis 29:20, “So Jacob served seven years to get Rachel, but they seemed like only a few days to him because of his love for her.” Oh Lord, may that characterize my years of service here on Earth, that I so love Jesus, that I so love His name and His glory and His honor and the advancement of His Kingdom, that I so love His people, His chosen people, that they might hear the gospel and be saved, that it seems like just a few days, or even a few hours of service by comparison. Application So what application can we take from this? Well first, can you just begin by giving thanks to God that you even have a place in the vineyard at all? You realize what grace it is to be able to serve Jesus, to be able to do anything for Him at all. Imagine if he put you on the sideline, but all of your brothers and sisters were allowed to do productive labor. Wouldn't you be clamoring to get in the game? Wouldn't you want to be able to do something for Jesus? And would it really matter to you what it was? If the Lord sent two angels down from Heaven and gave one of them responsibility of governing the world, and the other the responsibility to sweep up its streets, would they not equally serve with the same joy and gladness, whatever command the master gave them? And that's how our rewards are going to be assessed. We are His workmanship, we're created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God lays out in advance for us to walk in. Those are our good works. Nobody else can do them. You can't do any better than do the good works He's laid out ahead of you, but you perhaps can do them better than you've been doing, with a more cheerful attitude, with a sweeter disposition, with an attitude of love and thankfulness to God. That's what I think this parable is about. So make many sacrifices, make many sacrifices, but don't make much of your sacrifice. Be like David Livingstone, say it's a privilege to serve. It's not even worth talking about my sacrifice. Say like Jesus said the servant said in another parable, “We're only unworthy servants, we've only done our duty.” There's nothing I have done here on Earth that really deserves any reward whatsoever. Prepare your heart for the surprise of Judgment Day. God's thoughts are not our thoughts, but he has told you enough. The one who serves will be considered great in the kingdom of Heaven, and the one who is slave of everyone will be considered greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. And so, therefore, I would urge that you present your body every day, as a living sacrifice to God, that you be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you test and approve what God's will is for you, and you get up and energetically, sacrificially do the good works He's laid out in advance for you to walk in. Do them all. Do them cheerfully, do them humbly. Consider other's works better than yours. Consider other people's sacrifices as far greater than yours. But at the same time, ask the Lord for greater responsibilities. “He who is faithful in little will be faithful in much.” And if he sees you be faithful, cheerfully faithful with the things He's handed to you, he may give you an opportunity to make, listen to this, even greater sacrifices for Jesus. And when that comes, you'll be able to humbly to say, “My sacrifices don't deserve anything. I'm just privileged to serve.” George Whitefield, who crossed the Atlantic Ocean thirteen times in a sailing vessel to preach the gospel, noticed that people were making much of his name and his reputation. He said, “May the name of George Whitefield perish. And may the name of Jesus Christ live forever in glory.” And he said, “I want this on my tombstone, ‘Here lies George Whitefield, what kind of man he was the day will discover.’” At that time my heart motive will be revealed. That's when I'll get my reward, and not before. Close with me in prayer.