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Happy Thanksgiving you turkeys!  Enjoy an interview with the gin-u-wine heirs to the Blackball Ferry legacy, brought to you by Friends Of The Boaty Show. Skip to that at around 26:00, or dig in for  your dose of BS silly with an epic Old Boat Ad and Steph's stories from the largest outdoor hot tub park in North America... Spa Nordique!  Boaty Show hats are now available at www.theboatyshow.com/merch. We love you and are thankful for you, thanks for listening!    Jeff: Hi. If you enjoy the Boaty Show, you may enjoy my new audiobook. It's about AI and how we can live with it. You Teach The Machines: AI on Your Terms. Out wherever you get your audiobooks. By me, Jeff Pennington. [Music] Jeff: Welcome back listeners. I'm Jeff Pennington. I'm joined by my co-host... Steph: Stephanie Weiss. Jeff: Sipping on her coffee. It is Sunday, still morning. We, uh, we both have fires going. Mine's downstairs, Steph's is right in front of her in her living room. We're remote, and it's been a minute. We're not gonna talk about that. We're just gonna jump right back in. Right? Steph: Yeah, let's jump right in. Jeff: Jump right in. Like it's summer and we're going swimming again. Steph: Exactly. Exactly. Jeff: We have, uh, we have a show today. We're gonna do a segment on the Puget Sound ferry system—the history of. And we're gonna do, uh... what do we got? We got a "Old Boat Ad" from Jay. He was touring down in, uh, Whatchamacallit, Florida? Sarasota. He sent a picture of an alligator, which I will contend is Boaty. Steph: You want my opinion on that? Jeff: I want your opinion on that. Steph: I mean, it does... it does get from one place to the other. I don't know if they do that without getting wet, but yeah. I admit, boat adjacent. If you've seen an alligator, you wish you were in a boat. I mean, I can think of many ways that alligator is Boaty. Yes. Jeff: That was... that was excellent commentary. Thank you very much. Steph: You're welcome. Jeff: Wait, when you were down there last winter for the fundraising visit and you found that waterfront, that waterfront bar that served like drinks in buckets or something? Were there any alligators around then? Steph: Yeah. Well, yes. We were told there were alligators around, but I didn't see an alligator. But I did see lots and lots of signs about the alligators. Remember the signs? Jeff: In particular that it was alligator mating season. Steph: That's what it was! Yes. "Do not approach the mating alligator" or something super weird like that. Like... yes. That's right. Jeff: And then we did a whole... we did a whole, I mean we might have had a series of bits on alligator mating. And why you weren't supposed to go in the water when they were mating? Was it because it was gross? Because it's like, you know, it's the water that they're mating in and what's all that about? Or because you don't want like the throes of alligator mating ecstasy to like, end up with you getting like, you know, I don't know. Maybe they like bite each other in the midst of all that and you don't want to get confused... like get a body part confused. Steph: Right. Is there more traditional aggression? Right. Are they more aggressive when they're mating? These are questions. And then we had—I think we ended up really wondering whether that was a deep water thing or just a shoreline thing. Like if you're out in the middle, do you have to worry about that? Remember? We had this... this was a whole conversation. Jeff: I think... but I do think that it's ridiculous because... because like, if you see alligators whether they're mating or not, could we all just assume you don't go in the water? I just seems unnecessary, but... Jeff: And we'll count that as the only answer worth taking away because I only recall the questions we had at the time. Uh, and I don't recall any resolution of any of this. So, um, interesting though that Jay... winter-ish, maybe mating season or not. It looked like the picture was a solo... solo alligator. It was just, just an alligator. Unless maybe it was an alligator couple and you couldn't see the other alligator because that alligator was underwater? Steph: Like... that just occurred to me when you said... great minds think alike. Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Steph: We should ask Jay. Jeff: We should ask Jay what was going on. Steph: Or not so great minds think alike. Jeff: All right. All right. So I think we should lead off with, uh, since we're talking about Jay and his trip through Florida—he played at least one show down there, I saw a picture of a backyard concert, looked lovely. Or an outdoor concert I shouldn't say, I don't know if it was backyard or not, looked lovely. And, uh, he sent a boat ad. And since this is his favorite segment, we're gonna do it. Steph: Mmm. Do it. [Music: Old Boat Ad Jingle] Jeff: It's... I can't... It's been so long that we've done this that when we were in the middle of doing it all the time, it seemed completely normal. And now when we're like... we're like four months away from doing it regularly or whatever, and it's like holy [bleep]. What the hell is this? That was a song about old boat ad copy from Jay and that was like... like, you know, I don't know, six months ago I was like, "Well yeah, of course Jay's gonna make a song saying 'Come on Jeff read those vintage boaty advertisements, give us some of them old boat ads.'" And that was like in the midst of it, it was like "Yeah fine." And now it's like, what the [bleep] is this? Oh my god! Steph: And people want... people are like, "Hey man when are you gonna start making that show again?" 'Cause they want this nonsense! Jeff: Oh god. That makes me so happy. It's good to be weird. Steph: It's good to be weird. Jeff: Okay. All that aside, notwithstanding. Let's do it. Okay. Jay found this ad in the wild. I don't know where it was. Um, I'm looking at the picture. It looks like it's in a frame. Maybe it was in like... I'm gonna say it was in a bathroom at a bar that he was at, or a restaurant perhaps, and it was above the urinal and he saw this. It was right in front of his face. "You can't blame a guy for boasting about his new Mercury. Not only pride of possession, but downright satisfaction comes with the ownership of a new Mercury Outboard Motor. When you put a Mercury on a boat, you are completely confident of quick, easy starting and effortless 'hold the course' steering. You know that there will be instant response to every touch of the throttle. Whether you want a burst of flashing speed or just a ripple of hushed power for the slowest possible trolling. The new Mercury with 'Full Jeweled Powerhead'—bears repeating—Full Jeweled, yes like bling bling jewels, Full Jeweled Powerhead gives you greater all-around mechanical efficiency and endurance never before known in an outboard motor. Yes, with your Mercury, you'll experience that pride of possession realized only by those who own the finest." Scrolling down through the ad... that was the main copy presented next to uh, a lovely couple in a, looks like a Penn Yan outboard skiff uh, with an outboard obviously on the back. Um, she of course is reclining. He of course is driving. Um, and he's holding his hand out like, "Ah! Oh my god this is great!" Like out to the side like, "Can you believe it?" "Of course, of course this is great." Um, he doesn't look so polished, he's kind of look got... he's got some bedhead and a t-shirt on. She looks put together. Um, so he must have a great personality. Steph: [Laughs] Jeff: So scrolling down there's like more details. Um, mostly for him because there's like cutaway diagrams and whatnot. So: "The Rocket. A six horsepower precision-built alternate firing twin with sparkling power that will plane a boat beautifully. Yet throttle down for... oh, yet throttle down to a hush for continuous trolling. Another exclusive Mercury first." This is more on the Full Jeweled Powerhead. "Mercury's Full Jeweled Powerhead. Mercury engineers have developed a method of using roller bearings on wrist pins, crank pins, and crank shaft. It results in reduction of mechanical friction, new power and smoothness, readier response to the throttle, many more months of service-free operation than any outboard with conventional plain bearings." "The Comet. A smooth running 3.2 horsepower single. The ideal family outboard. Just right for your car-top boat or the average rental boat. Mercury. Own a Mercury. Matchless and outboard excellence. Kiekhaefer Corporation, Cedarburg, Wisconsin. Outboard Motors. Portable Industrial Engines." There you go. Old Boat Ad. Steph: I have a lot of questions. And an observation. Jeff: Go. Steph: I love how the masthead of this ad if you will—I don't know if that's the right word for it—but it's a... it's a bubble, it's a like a word bubble coming from the guy in the boat, right? "You can't blame a guy for boasting about his new Mercury." I love like the... I love all of the like the um... how proud you should be. Like there's a lot of like, you know, you just... you're just going to boast and it's going to be like everyone's going to be impressed with you. There's going to be "Pride of Possession." Which I think is very interesting. And then what is going on with the jewels? I don't understand the jewels and why are we talking about jewels? There's no jewels in this. Jeff: There's roller bearings. Steph: What is that? And how is it like a jewel? Is it a ruby? Jeff: Well, my guess is given that this is setting the guy up to boast, if it was made out of ruby it would have said that, right? But I can say... Steph: I agree. Jeff: I can say that I don't know whether it's jeweled or made out of a jewel or not. But uh, different... there's different kinds of bearings. I know a little bit about bearings. Not a lot. Steph: Didn't we talk about bearings once before? Jeff: I'm sure we did. I'm sure we did. Steph: I like this sentence... I like this sentence a lot. "The Mercury engineers have developed a method of using roller bearings on wrist pins, crank pins, and crank shaft." What? Jeff: Uh, I don't know what a wrist pin is. I don't know what a crank... was it a wrist pin and a crank pin? Steph: Wrist pins and crank pins. Yeah. Things I didn't know about. But I love... I also love that they're getting into this level of detail right in the ad. This is the good old days. You know what I mean? Like this is... this is the least reductive ad I've ever seen. They're really... they're just... they hit you a little bit with the ego in the top and then they get right into the deep, deep details. I think this is lovely. It was... it was lovely to listen to. Jeff: So you got... I don't know what those pins are. The crank... I don't know. Let's not talk about why you've got bearings or what they're on, but ball bearings are balls. And... Steph: [Laughs silently] Jeff: ...you're laughing silently with our... Steph: Wrist bearings are wrists? Crank pins are cranks? I don't know. Jeff: No. We're not gonna talk about that stuff. We're just gonna talk about the bearings. So you got ball bearings which are spherical, okay? And then you've got roller bearings which are like a... in my mind it's a bearing that's made of a... it looks like a rolling pin, okay? And a ball bearing can... can bear weight while moving in all directions because it's a sphere. Steph: 360. Jeff: Yup. 360 times 360, right? In any direction. And then a roller bearing can bear... bear weight while moving just in like one direction back and forth. One plane I guess. And uh, I know roller bearings because there are conical roller bearings on boat trailers in the hubs of the boat trailer. Um, because the... and they're almost like a rolling pin shape except they're flared a little bit at, you know, toward one end so it's like a slight cone shape. And that's because the axle on your boat trailer has a slight taper to it. And so the wheel spinning on those bearings on that slightly tapered axle shaft has to be slightly... has to match that taper as it spins around and around and around. Um, now, that being said, going from, you know, roller bearings to "jeweled"? That's... that's what I'm talking about right there. Yup. Steph: Full Jeweled. Yeah. I mean I don't know. I guess... you know how I feel about this stuff. I kind of love things that I don't understand and there's a lot here I don't understand. And I think this is a lovely... so we've got two en... Is the Rocket one and the Comet is the other? They have space names. Amazing. Jeff: Yeah. And this was before... this might have been early space era. Yeah. Steph: Yeah. Early space race. Jeff: It look... I like that it's like, it's just a little boat. Nothing fancy. It's just a little tin can. Steph: Yeah. Rockin' out. Or having a great time. They're all proud... proud of themselves. Jeff: They mentioned "Car Top Boats" which was a... that was a big deal in the expansion of boating into the middle class. And... yeah. So Penn Yan, the boat manufacturer, my understanding is they hit it big for the first time with car-top boats. So Penn Yan Car Toppers, you'll still see those around sometimes. And that was like what pontoon boats and jet skis are doing... they did for boating then what pontoon boats and jet skis are doing now. Which is just making it way more accessible. Steph: I hear you. Jeff: Yeah. Steph: I hear you. "There it is. Just right for your car-top boat or the average rental boat." Got it. Yeah. Jeff: Yeah. Give me... give me more opportunity to get in the water without having to be a rich guy with my own dock or a yacht or anything like that. Steph: Mm-hm. Equal opportunity boating. Jeff: E... E... E-O-B. E-O-B-B. Equal Opportunity Boating Board. Okay. Enough of that. Steph: Yes. That's a... that's a worthy goal. Jeff: All right. We're gonna move on to our... our next topic. Which, you know what? Let's... let's step back. What have you been doing lately? Steph: Mmm. That's a great question. Um... Jeff: Have you gone anywhere? Have you gone anywhere fun? Steph: I did. I went to the... I went to the Spa Nordique in... in Chelsea, Quebec. Yes. I did do that. I was... show before the show we were chatting about this. Yes. I did go there with my friend Julie, my personal historian. And we had a wonderful time. Jeff: What is the Spa Nordique? Tell us... You walk up to the Spa Nordique. What's the experience? Steph: Okay. So real... so real quick. It's like... it's not like a spa like people usually think of a spa. It's a "thermal experience." It's got this whole Nordic vibe to it. Everything's made of wood. And it's a very large... it's many acres. And it has tons of different ways to get warm and cold in water. And also not in water. So, for example, there's like ten different outdoor hot tubs scattered all over the place. And there's like fifteen different kinds of saunas. There's like a earth sauna and a barrel sauna and a Russian sauna and a whatever. There's like... And then there's um, also like steam rooms. And there's cold plunges, which is not for me, but for other people. And there's places to eat and drink. And that's it. And you put on a robe, you leave your phone and all your [bleep] behind and you just wander around in this environment for the day. It's very affordable. Like sixty bucks for the whole day, like US. And it is very beautiful and it's very calming. And very relaxing. And it's delightful. And I would recommend it to everybody. So I've been there probably four or five times. And um, it's close, you know it's like two hours away from here. It's not far. And I think it's the largest spa in North America. But it's not like busy feeling. It's very calming and relaxing. Jeff: We're gonna... we're gonna back up to the very... one of the first two... two of the first words you said which was "thermal experience." Steph: Yeah. That's what they call it. Um... yeah, I don't know. I guess you're just getting in warm water. And then you're supposed to get in cold water cause it's good for you, but like I said, that's just not for me. But um... but you know like, it's like good for you. I don't know. You're supposed to like steam yourself and then get... We were... it was like snowing when we were there. There was actually a hail storm that happened. Like a full-on hail storm um, when we were sitting in one of the hot... my favorite hot tub which is like a hot spring kind of a thing. It's up at the top. And um, they totally just started hailing. And it looks like... like accumulating in our hair. It was very exciting. Jeff: Thankfully... thankfully accumulating in your hair and not like... they were baseball sized and like braining you and knocking you out. Steph: Right. No, they were not baseball sized. Which is good news. They were small and they were accumulating and it was very snow monkey. The whole experience is like just being a snow monkey for the day. That's it. That's how... Jeff: Can you make this up? Thermal experience. Be a snow mon... have a... have a thermal expe... we're gonna have to write an ad for this. Have a thermal experience as a... be a snow monkey for the day. Steph: I don't know why that's not their tagline. For... I don't know why not. It makes no sense. Jeff: So the other thing that grabbed me about... about this is you said you leave your phone behind. Which I think is probably healthy because that means that um, people aren't like nervous about somebody taking a picture of them when they, you know, take their robe off and get in the... in the tub or whatever. But also, dude, anything that people do where they leave their phones behind... those are becoming more and more valuable experiences as people just come to the conclusion that their phone makes them sick. And I had this experience recently... did... did an um... one of my book events at uh, the Poor Sethi headquarters in Brooklyn. In Gowanus. Uh, the Gowanus neighborhood of Brooklyn. And afterward, my... my daughter Mary Jane was there uh, and it was the first time she'd come to see one of these... these talks. The book talks. And uh, she brought a few of her friends who had moved to New York after graduating... they all graduated last spring. And they were so psyched. They're like, "Oh my god. Why does it feel so... so like novel to get together in person in a room and talk about something and talk to... with each other?" Because it was a... it ended up being a really interactive session. People were going back and forth to each other. And I started to fade a bit into the background which is what I go for with these... these events. They're kind of like group therapy community workshops about, you know, AI in your life. Not so much what AI is, but like how AI merges into your life. Anyway, at Spa Nordique, it's a thermal experience minus your phone. And you're there for the day or most of the day because you want to get... you want to get as much thermal experience as you can for your sixty dollars. So that's a day without your phone. That's freaking awesome. Steph: Yeah. And when I fir... when we first started going a few years ago, it was pretty much like "Don't bring your phone in here." Like it was like a kind of a rule. Now it's like um, you're allowed to bring your phone, but most people don't. So every now and then there'll be somebody with a phone. But the other funny thing is that... that you know, it's an adjustment going... like you said, you go for the whole day because it's... it's big, there's you know places to stop in and have a bite to eat or get a beverage or whatever. So you really do stay there for a while and you do really disengage from the sense of time. And it's funny how many times you're like, you know, think of things that normally you'd be looking up to your phone but you just don't do it cause you can't. But my... but one funny... one funny thing that happened when we got there was... um... when you first walk in on the left there's this very cool like... like experience. Like it's like a... like they do a Boreal Forest experience and they like um, they like wave branches around and like whatever. So that happens at certain times. So do we really want to do it? Because afterwards you were like rub salts all over your body and then there's like a flash dance bucket that you dump on yourself... you really... you have to be... obviously you need to get involved in something like that. So we were looking at the times. And then we were like... and like Julie and I together are like we're always like a little on the spazzy side anyway. Like it's always... things are always just awkward and weird and great. And like... so we were like, "Okay. So we can come back at one at eleven? Or maybe..." And then it's in like... it's like Canadian time so it's like 1300 and 1500 and we don't know what that means. It's complicated. So it's just... it was so hard. We were like talking about it and... and then this... and we were like, "How are we gonna come back? How are we gonna know when to come back because we don't have phones?" And then um, so then a nice young man who worked at the spa went by and we asked him... The other thing is just constant like language situation going on about wheth... you know we don't speak French. Everybody else does. So you know... and they're very sweet about it. But you know you always have to navigate the fact that you're speaking English. And so we in English ask this nice young man what time it is. And he paused. And I thought maybe it was just because he had to switch into English in his brain. I don't know why. But and he looked at us. And he was like, "Well, right now it's blah blah blah o'clock," and he like explained what time it was and um, the fact that it would be this time in an hour and a half we could come back and the thing would do it again. And then he kind of like looked at us and we were like, "Okay great thank you." And we left. But then later when we came back to actually do the experience, I... we were sitting in the sauna and I looked out and there is a clock so big. Like so big. It's hu... it's huge. It's like... it's like seven feet across. And it was right behind... right behind us when we had asked the guy what time it was! And we realized that like the long pause was like, "Should I just tell them that there's a clock right there? Or should I just be really nice about this and just answer the question and not point out the clock?" Like for sure he was like... are these people being... is this wrong? Are these people... Jeff: Are they... are they messing with me? Steph: ...messing with me? And and he's... he's Canadian but he's also French Canadian so like he he also like... because if you're not French Canadian and you're Canadian the stereotype is like you're just super nice and you're just gonna be super nice and... "Oh of course I'll just tell you what time it is." If you're French Canadian you might be like, "You freaking idiot. Like... I'm glad that you're up here... I'm glad that you're up here you know spending your money even though we can't freaking stand you because you're from America, but..." Steph: It was a lot... there were a lot... yes, there were a lot of components. I love the fact that I think a little bit he was just like, it seemed like if he was like, "Dude, literally a clock right there," then it just would have felt a little less polite. So he didn't say that. And then we had to discover the clock on our own. And um, it was amazing and hilarious. So that was, again back to the time thing. Jeff: I have more soapbox about about that. Um, I'll... I'll do it... I'll do it briefly and try not to go on um, and make it annoying. But uh, when you... you treat your watch as your... as your timepiece... I'm sorry. When you treat your phone as your timepiece, and then you don't have your phone, you end up lost. And you can't conceive that there might be a giant clock on the wall. Although maybe you can conceive of it and you just because you're having a nice day with some beverages and with Julie you don't con... conceive of it. But anyway, this is why I'm always on Instagram, I'm always posting uh, these Sheffield watches. Because if you put on a watch that's just a watch on your wrist and it's not an Apple Watch like all of a sudden you've got the ability to tell time without necessarily getting hit by a bunch of distractions which an Apple Watch is gonna do to you, which pulling... pulling out your phone is gonna do to you. And I'm... I'm huge on this for my kids. I'm like, "Hey like... if you're looking at your phone to tell the time you're like, I don't know, half the time you get pulled in because you see a notification. And now you're looking at your phone more. And now you're more te..." Oh wait, I said I wasn't gonna keep going on and get on my soapbox but... Steph: No, but I hear what you're saying. And at first I was kind of like... you know, I have a thing about Apple Watches because they were like they're meant to be like they don't want to make you... to help people avoid pulling out their phone all the time. But they actually just make people look super rude because you look like you're literally just like, "Um, I don't have ti... like every single time something goes off you're like, 'Uh, is this over? Is it time...?'" You know what I mean? So um, but I hadn't thought about that cause you're right. Whenever you look at your phone, of course there's gonna be notifications and all that's gonna pull you in. And that's... it's a very good point. So yes to watches. Agreed. Jeff: Yep. And I'm gonna I'm gonna bring this all home and make it all Boaty. Ready? All right. Spa Nordique is... Spa Nordique is Boaty because in Iceland outdoor hot spring fed pools and indoor became about because the rate of death by drowning amongst Icelandic fishermen was so high because it's the freaking North Sea. And the last thing you want to do there and there aren't any lakes, right? But the last thing you want to do there is learn how to swim in the ocean. But so that meant the entire population of Iceland whose entire existence was supported by fishing... nobody knew how to swim! And it became a... a public safety, public health, community health like anti-drowning initiative to start... to create public outdoor hot springs... public outdoor hot tubs so that people could learn to swim. Uh, and they sprang up all around the country and it became like part of the culture that you go there to learn to swim but then you also go there to hang out with each other. And um, that's all so that people in Iceland can go fishing, if they go in the drink uh, survive... have a great chance of survival. Boaty. Right? Um, also the... the watch thing. If you have to pull your phone out to tell what time it is while you're out in a boat, you might drop your phone on the deck. You might drop your phone in the drink or off the dock. You also might get distracted by your phone and you're... when you're driving a boat or you're out there in a boat, you probably shouldn't be distracted because A, that means it's taking away from the enjoyment and B, because you might run into something. So... Boaty. Boom. Done. Okay. Steph: So... so learn to swim in a hot spring and buy a watch. Boom. Jeff: And have thermal experiences. Steph: Oh. Jeff: Um... Missy just texted me and called. Um... they just got hit from behind on 76. They're all okay. The cops are there now. Uh oh. Steph: Whoa. Jeff: Hold on a sec. Let me... let me communicate. Steph: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Jeff: Everybody's okay. They don't need me to call or come pick them up. All right. Good. Well how about that? Steph: Do we have to move on? Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Steph: I have... I have a th... I have a... one of my... I'll just tell you and you can always like edit this out later if it's boring. But one of the things that's funny about it is when you're at the spa you can tell which are the hot pools and which are the cold pools because there's nobody in the cold ones, right? Um, but there was this one that Julie and I found and they had... they tell you like the temperatures and um, it was empty and we were walking around and it is... I think they said it was like 69 degrees or something like that? But there's nobody in it and it feels cold but then we realized, wait, that's like the river temperature. That's like the temperature of the river, right? In the summer. And then we got in this cold-ish thing and then it was... and that but we got used to it really quickly and it was really delightful and lovely. So we think of it as like that's like the river temperature pool and we... that's the only cold-ish pool that I get in. But it's very nice. Jeff: That... that's awesome because if the river temperature hits 69 degrees we're probably bitching about it cause it's too warm. Steph: Exactly. Exactly right. Jeff: That's awesome. All right. All right we're gonna move on. Uh, next segment. Um, we're gonna play an interview which was uh, listener submitted. So Rob uh, shared this. Some friends of his recorded an interview with the heirs, the descendants of the founder of the Black Ball Ferry Fleet in Puget Sound, Seattle. So we're gonna play that and then uh, I did a bunch of research on all this that we'll talk about after the interview. So here it is. [Interview Segment] I am standing here with the heirs of the Black Ball Line. Yeah. A couple of them. Was that heir or errors? Errors. Probably errors. Doug and Chris McMahon are standing here with you. Doug and Chris McMahon. And our great grandfather was Charles Peabody who came out west in 1885 and started the Alaska Steamship Company and then the Puget Sound Navigation. They were flying the Black Ball flag, which his family owned on the East Coast from 1803 forward. The Black Ball flag's been flying... Nice. ...and uh, his son... I have one on my travel trailer and every time I go camping we post our big full-size flag. Just... it still flies around the region. Yes. She's... she's still flying. And flies in Portland too. So... So and then the state bought it... the ferries in the 50s. And turns out they stopped making money. Started running in the red. Yeah. So. Yeah. So can you give me a brief history of why it's a Black Ball and with a white circle and red in the middle? Well so that's from the Coho. Right. And so the Coho was the last Black Ball ship that's flying. And so they licensed the flag but they added the white circle. And why did they choose that? Well because it was part of the whole ferry system. Okay. And when the Coho started, the Coho started right after... But the original Black Ball flag, which was a red flag with a black ball only, no white circle, was also researched as um, like some kind of a maritime victory award for ships. You know when they when they won a battle or did something good like cannon-neering or something, you know grenade throwing, they would be awarded the flags and they would fly the flag. So it's one of them. I don't recall exactly which one. And the original Black Ball ships that sailed from Brooklyn to uh, England and mainland Europe and back, um, had a Black Ball flag that was a swallowtail flag. So it wasn't a rectangle, it was swallowtail and a giant black ball on the main sail. And they were the first company... Rad. Like pirates. It does look like the hurricane warning flags too. People often catch us about that which is typically a square black in the center of the red. But in some regions it's a round circle just like Puget Sound Navigation's Black Ball flag. Just a couple specific places. They were the first shipping company to leave on a scheduled date. So they were... in the mid 1800s a ship would leave when it was full. Ass in seat. We're leaving at this time. That's right. And the Black Ball said "We're leaving on this date, empty or full." So they changed the industry then. Yeah. So when we were kids we used to get to ride in the wheelhouse every once in a while. Oh yeah. Or if we were with our Grandpa downtown and you'd see all these, you know, basically old men at the time in the 60s, right? On the... on the waterfront. He'd walk up to half of them because they all knew who each were. You know, they worked in shipping or the shipyards together. Yeah. Did he know Iver Haglund? Yes. They lived near one another up in West... up in West Seattle at Alki. Yeah so he absolutely knew Iver Haglund. We also have a relative who was a bank robber. So you know, they... they ran... Keep clam. Keep clam. One of his brothers... One of his brothers was a bank robber. Spent his lifetime in prison. Was on Alcatraz. That's awesome. Twice. So you know... Captains of Industry and... not. Yeah. Pioneers. Pioneers. Please introduce yourself again. My name's Doug McMahon. I'm from Portland, Oregon. And I'm Chris McMahon, Doug's brother. And where do you live? Uh, Des Moines, Washington. Right up here just across the way. Originally from Portland though. We're both from Portland. So nice to meet you. Thank you so much. [End of Interview Segment] Steph: Yeah. But that is... that is... that is very cool. And I think like the... the boat itself is really cool too, right? I remember we talked about the boat once a while ago. Jeff: Yeah. Well there's the... there's the Kalakala and then there's the Coho. The Kalakala is like this really wild uh, streamlined early streamlining Art Deco looking um... I don't know why I say Art Deco I don't really know what that means. Uh, ferry. And then um, and that's that thing's like I think it's just sitting there... maybe it already got broken up. Uh, but it was derelict for a long time. And then the Coho is still operating, which we'll get to. I'm gonna talk this through in a little bit. All right so. Steph: Okay. Jeff: Puget Sound Ferries. So Puget Sound is surrounds Seattle. It's like between Seattle and Victoria British Columbia and there's island after island after island. It's probably my second favorite watery place that I've been to um, after the St. Lawrence River because there's just so much going on. Um, I like islands and inlets and... Steph: It is beautiful. Jeff: Yep. So uh, this presented a big challenge for getting around back in the day. Uh, because if you wanted to get out to one of these islands cause there's timber out there or other resources or because you wanted to live out there, um, yeah you had to take a boat. And the shortest distance between two points on land on the quote mainland was sometimes a boat, not or by water, not necessarily over land. So uh, there were ferries that that got established. And the... there's like three big eras of ferries um, in in the Puget Sound. The first is the "Mosquito Fleet" era which was like 1850s to the 1920s. And it's when people really nailed down and commercialized the... the ferry as transportation infrastructure and the waterways are now how people get around, right? Um, and it helped develop the region. So um, like before the 1880s or so uh, it was all about steamboats. And the... the first steamships that got there cause you had to go basically either come from Asia or go around uh, the tip of South America back in the day before the Panama Canal to get to this place. So the Hudson Bay Company sent the SS Beaver in the 1830s which showed how uh, steam power... Steph: Beaver... Jeff: Yeah yeah... Steph: [Laughs] Thank god for the Canadians. All right. Jeff: The Hudson's Bay Company sent the SS Beaver like around the horn uh, even better... Steph: [Laughs] Jeff: In the 1830s. So uh, all of a sudden like you've got a steamboat that's like cruising around Puget Sound and it works out. Um, and the... the Americans, I think the Canadian... I don't know a lot about the Canadian history of the West Coast but the American history of the West Coast uh, was like, you know okay... 1849, 49ers... uh, the West like opened up in a... the West Coast opened up in a big way because of the Gold Rush. Um, but then timber became a huge deal. Probably more money made in timber than in uh, gold at that point. But the first American steamboat was the SS Fairy. Okay? Begins scheduled service in the 1850s and it linked uh, Olympia and Seattle. And roads were hammered. It was just mud, you know, nothing was paved. Uh, you definitely wanted to be on a... on a steamer. Maybe a sidewheeler like, you know, old-timey sidewheelers on the... on the Mississippi. Um, but it was really the only way that mail and your goods and s... goods and people got from town to town on the Puget Sound. So that was like early steamboats pre-1880s. And then in the 1880s uh, it really started to take off. So as the area developed, the... the something happened called the Mos... the Swarm, right? So the swarm of the Mosquito Fleet. Hundreds of small um, independent privately owned steamships pl... basically started creating a dense network and they were all competing with each other. Cause like all you needed was a boat with a steam engine and you could get going. Um, and there were some some famous boats during this time. Fleet... Mosquito Fleet boats. And this was not like, you know, so-and-so owned the Mosquito Fleet, it was just like "Hey there's a swarm of boats out there we're gonna call them and they're all small so we're gonna call them the Mosquito Fleet." Uh, and this is where the names get names get more lame. The SS Flyer, the SS Bailey Gatzert. Steph: Okay. I like SS Fairy. Direct. Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and and then there's this huge opportunity and this dude named Charles Peabody who we heard about. We heard from his descendants uh, and we heard about the Black Ball uh, right? From his descendants just a minute ago. Charles Peabody. He shows up with this... this family history of the uh, Transatlantic Fleet where they innovated and um... this is something you're pretty psyched about which is like "Oh okay we're gonna have scheduled service instead of just waiting until we've got a full load and then we'll go. We're gonna leave at noon." Steph: Mm-hm. Yeah. Well I just think it's interesting like I... I remember we talked about this pr... I guess you said maybe with Rob a while ago. I find it fascinating the idea that you would get on a boat and then just wait for enough people to get on the boat to have to leave. That's... I could see how that would be disruptive to your day. Jeff: Yeah. Steph: Maybe hopefully those peop... they didn't have watches. But um, but they uh... but then yeah I guess I would appreciate the fact that you had some general idea of when it might leave. But I can see how the risk would be uh, you had to travel empty some so maybe you just had to... more reliable. It was a leap of faith, right? They were like, "If we make it more reliable then people will use it more." Right? Jeff: Yeah. And scheduled service for trains was probably a thing but, you know, when you've got this big boat you definitely don't want to... you don't want to go empty. And so I can see the commercial interest in like a full boat being there but also like then you're leaving out a lot of people who were like "I don't want to sit around and wait for this." Um, anyway. I don't know. Charles Peabody. Uh, so he... he's a descendant of the people that started the Black Ball Fleet way back in the early early 1800s. He shows up out there and starts buying up the swarm. Um, he creates the Puget Sound Navigation Company, PSNC, in 1898. And then just starts buying up competing Mosquito Fleet companies. Like he bought up the White Collar Line. Steph: Mmm. Jeff: Don't know why it's called White Collar Line. Um, going to guess it was fancy. Uh, and eventually becomes the... the biggest operator. Steph: You said fancy? Jeff: Fancy. Steph: Okay. Jeff: And then what Peabody did, based... based on this research is he figured out that the automobile was gonna be a threat, okay? To... to the ferry fleet because now you've got cars. People buy cars, they want the roads to get better so that they can drive their cars. The roads do get better so more people get cars to drive on those roads. So then he figures out that this is a threat and starts converting his ferries to carry cars. And the rest of the Mosquito Fleet, many of whom he'd bought up in the first place, but the rest of the Mosquito Fleet that hadn't been acquired by the Puget Sound Navigation Company... they're not... they're not as like strategic as he is. They don't start converting their boats to carry cars... he does. So they die off. No more. Right? So now he's got a monopoly. And uh, he officially at... at this point adopts the Black Ball Line as its name. Um, and the flag that we heard about, the red and black ball uh, flag in the in the late 20s. Um, coincidentally also around the time of Prohibition and tons and tons of smuggling of da booze from Canada into the US. I am not... I'm not accusing the Black Ball Line of being involved in smuggling um, but it was going on. And uh, there was succession also in the family. Alexander takes over um, from his dad uh, and uh, they really nail down... And then ah this is where... so then they launch the Kalakala. K-A-L-A-K-A-L-A. Kalakala in 1935. This is the streamlined Art Deco ferry that uh, that we we talked about last time and our friends Rob and Jen and Byron uh, actually went out and checked out um, while it was still floating. And it's just like really cool. Looks like um, you know uh, like early streamlined locomotives and trains. That kind of thing with like really neat windows and and that sort of thing. Um, but that becomes the international symbol of the fleet. Everybody's super psyched about it. Um, so that was like 20s, 30s. And then World War II hits. And um, labor organizing really took off around World War II. Uh, and the ferry workers started unionizing and uh, probably pushing back on on pay and working conditions and hours and stuff. And this monopoly uh, had, you know... being a monopoly is great unless there's a strike. And then your... you know your workers strike and your boats aren't running and people are like "Well [bleep], I gotta get around." So now maybe they figure out that they don't have to take the ferry. Take their car on the ferry, take their truck on the ferry and they um... they go elsewhere and that starts to... to put pressure on the ferry. But also like if you've got to raise wages, um, now your... your margins are lower. Blah blah blah. So um, ultimately uh, the... you know the... there was a... a wartime um, freeze in wages and operations but the... the unions um, really pushed for better wages which put a bunch of strain on the... on the company. And the... the only way that... that the Peabodys could make this all work was uh, with a big fare increase. So they um... pushed for a 30% fare increase to cover their costs. Um, and the... they had... it had gotten to the point where they were being regulated at this point because it was, you know, privately operated transportation infrastructure that everybody relied on. Um, so they were regulated and the state said "Nope." So like, you know, a public utility commission has to negotiate rate increases with their state regulator. So same thing happened here. Um, and Peabody says "Give us 30% more." State says "Nope." And Peabody says "All right, F you." They shut it all down. They shut it all down. And that stranded uh, like all the commuters. And people were super pissed at them for shutting it down. Um, which then turned it into a political moment. And uh, the... you know people, businesses said "Take over this... this as an essential utility." And that's when uh, Washington State purchased all this stuff from... all the ferries and the whole system from the uh, the Peabodys. From the Black Ball Line. And that created the Washington State Ferry System. And as you heard in the... in the um, interview, uh, was running... ended up running at a loss. I don't know if it still does, it may as... as a lot of public transit infrastructure does. Um, but the state bought out the Black Ball Line in... in 51. And um, they bought it out for 4.9 million dollars which in like "today dollars" is still not even that much I don't think for, you know, 16 ships, 20 terminals uh, which is what it was at the time. Um, but anyway they buy it out and start operating on... in June of 51. And uh, the state said "Hey we're just gonna do this until we build all the bridges everywhere." Uh, which didn't really happen. Um, and the Washington State Ferry uh, system just change... they basically uh, did away with the Black Ball livery. Which is like the Boaty way of saying how you paint [bleep]. Um, what colors. Um, so they went from orange to green. Uh, but the... the company, Captain Peabody, Alexander, um, and his family retained the route... the international route between... between Seattle and Victoria. And that is the MV Coho which still runs uh, and it's still the Black Ball Ferry Line. And it um... basically gives you a through line from like the original Transatlantic Fleet that did scheduled service for the first time ever um, and, you know... you're on board or not we're leaving at noon. Through line from like the early early 1800s all the way through to today. The Black Ball line has been continuously running or the Black Ball uh... the... Black Ball family or I'm sorry the Black Ball line has been continuously running cause the Coho is still going. Was launched in 59 but it uh... it's still the um... it's still a major private auto ferry line in the region. And international. So goes back and forth to Canada. Which is what you did when you went to the Hot Springs as well. Steph: Um, yeah. I love that. I love that it's still running. I didn't realize that. Jeff: Yeah. The Coho. I... I was out there for work years ago and I thought about taking um, taking the ferry up to Victoria. There's a high speed... and I don't think it's the Coho. There's a high speed ferry that runs also. Um, it may even go further than Victoria but uh, cause I was like "Oh man it'd be pretty cool to do a day trip to just like take the ferry from Seattle up through the Sound to, you know, wherever. Like get off get a... get some poutine and then come back." Although it's the West Coast I don't know if poutine... I don't know if poutine made it out there or maybe they call it something else. I love ferries. Steph: I do too. And I... I've actually been to that part of the world only one time, but I was... I went to a wedding on Vashon Island. And then um, so yeah I was to... completely taken with how watery and boaty it was and we totally took a ferry there and it was amazing and I loved it. And yes, I agree. Ferries are fun and um, that's some... that's some very cool history. I like it. Jeff: Yeah. Well we're gonna... we're gonna wrap up now. Um, because uh... I just got a call and a text from my wife and she... Steph: Yeah. Jeff: She and Mary Jane... so Missy and Mary Jane got rear-ended. I think Toby too. Got rear-ended on the highway. And uh, they don't need a ride but just in case they do I want to wrap it up. Everybody's okay. Nobody got hurt. Steph: Yeah. Sounds good. Good. Good. Jeff: Yeah. Um, but couple things. One, I am currently wearing a Boaty Show hat. And uh, the hot admin, the lovely Melissa, set up a freaking e-commerce website so that you listeners if you would like can buy a Boaty Show hat and we will ship it to you. We don't really make any money on this. It's... it's all uh, basically break-even. Um, but that can be found at thebodyshow.com/merch. M-E-R-C-H. Merch. Thebodyshow.com/merch. They're... I'm very excited because I've got a big head and we have an extra large hat. Which means that if you usually put like the... the little snappy back thing on like the last two nubbins, the snap back on the last two nubbins... on the XL Boaty Show hat you get... you get to at least on my head you get five nubbins. You can snap five hat nubbins. And it... and it doesn't look like you're cramming a tiny hat on top of your big head. So that's exciting. Uh, there's... there's Heather Grey, Dark Grey, and Navy Blue. And uh, would love it if you guys ordered some um, because uh... it's... it's a cool hat. It's got the boat tractor on it. Steph: Mm-hm. It's the holiday season. Time to go buy some merch for your friends and families. Everybody needs a Boaty Show hat. Jeff: Yeah. Also these were made by Bolt Printing who who we talked uh, about on the show once upon a time. Uh, they're really cool people and... Steph: You love them. Jeff: I do. I do. And they made a video of the hats getting made that I'll I'll try and repost. Um, and the other thing is that my book is out. So is the audiobook. So You Teach The Machines: AI on Your Terms is available on everywhere you get your audiobooks. Uh, Audible, Amazon, Apple, and then like 35 others. So if you don't mind listening to my voice, uh, I read the book and people are finding it really helpful. And uh, you can support the show and us doing this silly stuff by buying hats and checking out the book. We are gonna wrap it up. Steph: And next time we get to do Photo of the Week. Jeff: Oh yes! Yes. We're bringing back Photo of the Week next time. Um, there have been a bunch of submissions while we've been on our hiatus and uh, we can't wait. So like next week will probably mostly be Photo of the Week discussions. Jeff & Steph: [Singing together] Yo ho ho, that's it for the Boaty Show. Pack the cooler, grab the lines, let's go go go. Yo ho ho... Jeff: That's it for the Boaty Show. Boom we are out. Say bye-bye Stephanie. Steph: Bye-bye Stephanie.  

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On this BONUS EPISODE of CASCADE OF HISTORY, we present archival audio from a November 13, 2024 live remote radio broadcast from Alki on a dark and rainy morning in West Seattle. The broadcast marked the 173rd anniversary of the arrival of the Denny Party - the founders of the City of Seattle. Feliks Banel's guest is Ken Workman, whose great-great-great-great grandfather is Chief Seattle of the Duwamish and Suquamish. FELIKS BANEL: “What does Seattle Founders' Day mean to you, and is it right to observe or commemorate this day?” KEN WORKMAN: “It's sort of a sorrowful day, in that our world has changed. For thousands and thousands of years, we've lived alongside nature, and then these newcomers came at the invitation of my grandfather, Seattle. And so, as far as Founders' Day in Seattle, this place is so new, it's a wonderful thing, but it's also kind of a sad thing." For more information about the Duwamish Tribe: https://www.duwamishtribe.org/ CASCADE OF HISTORY is broadcast LIVE most Sunday nights at 8pm Pacific Time via SPACE 101.1 FM in Seattle and gallantly streams everywhere via www.space101fm.org. The radio station broadcasts from studios at historic Magnuson Park – located in the former Master-at-Arms' quarters in the old Sand Point Naval Air Station - on the shores of Lake Washington in Seattle. Subscribe to the CASCADE OF HISTORY podcast via most podcast platforms and never miss regular weekly episodes of Sunday night broadcasts as well as frequent bonus episodes.

Today, Thursday, November 6 on Urban Forum Northwest: *Washington State Representative Brianna Thomas (D)-34th LD represents constituents from Pioneer Square, West Seattle and Vashon Island talks about her legislative priorities and what the state can do to provide assistance to citizens who are being impacted by federal policies. *Washington State Representative David Hackney (D)-11th LD his district encompasses Renton and parts of Kent, WA. He is member of the Budget Committee and he sounds the alarm of the state's economic shortfall. He is also an advocate and leader on the states public safety policy and reforms. *The following will pay tribute to the late Dr. Charles H. Mitchell, Jamal (Martin) Wyatt was a close friend and a University of Washington Husky football teammate of Charles aka Charlie, Audrey Mitchell Jones and Paul Mitchell Charles sister and brother talk about the Mitchell family history and specifically about their brothers accomplishments on and off the field where he was an All American University of Washington Husky football player that went on to play professionally with the Denver Broncos. He became president of Seattle Central Community College and later became Chancellor of Seattle Colleges. His Memorial Service will be Saturday, November 8 at 2:00 pm (PST) at Club Husky 3800 Montlake Blvd. North. *Randolph Cross, Executive Secretary, Seattle's Royal Esquire Club invites you to First Friday and provides information on some of the activities planned for the month of November. Urban Forum Northwest streams live at www.115okknw.com. Visit us at www.urbanforumnw.com for archived programs and relevant information. Like us on Facebook. X@Eddie_Rye.

Today, Thursday, November 6 on Urban Forum Northwest:*Washington State Representative Brianna Thomas (D)-34th LD represents constituents from Pioneer Square, West Seattle and Vashon Island talks about her legislative priorities and what the state can do to provide assistance to citizens who are being impacted by federal policies. *Washington State Representative David Hackney (D)-11th LD his district encompasses Renton and parts of Kent, WA. He is member of the Budget Committee and he sounds the alarm of the state's economic shortfall. He is also an advocate and leader on the states public safety policy and reforms.*The following will pay tribute to the late Dr. Charles H. Mitchell, Jamal (Martin) Wyatt was a close friend and a University of Washington Husky football teammate of Charles aka Charlie, Audrey Mitchell Jones and Paul Mitchell Charles sister and brother talk about the Mitchell family history and specifically about their brothers accomplishments on and off the field where he was an All American University of Washington Husky football player that went on to play professionally with the Denver Broncos. He became president of Seattle Central Community College and later became Chancellor of Seattle Colleges. His Memorial Service will be Saturday, November 8 at 2:00 pm (PST) at Club Husky 3800 Montlake Blvd. North.*Randolph Cross, Executive Secretary, Seattle's Royal Esquire Club invites you to First Friday and provides information on some of the activities planned for the month of November.Urban Forum Northwest streams live at www.115okknw.com. Visit us at www.urbanforumnw.com for archived programs and relevant information. Like us on Facebook. X@Eddie_Rye.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A West Seattle artist had several paintings stolen. The Port of Seattle says Trump’s new tariffs could rejuvenate the American maritime industry. Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson made an incredibly stupid argument about redistricting. // LongForm: GUEST: Snohomish Regional Fire and Rescue Firefighter David Petersen is one of eight firefighters suing over the Covid vaccine mandate on religious grounds. // Quick Hit: RFK Jr.’s wife Cheryl Hines got into a very heated interview with the ladies of The View.  

In this timely episode, Errol Samuelson, Chief Industry Development Officer, and Josh Weisberg, Senior VP of AI, join us to unpack Zillow's groundbreaking integration with ChatGPT. They address the industry's concerns about MLS compliance, dispel data sharing myths, and reveal the rigorous Fair Housing guardrails they built. Most importantly, they give a first look at the future of "Agentic AI" and how it will transform property search.   How Zillow's App in ChatGPT expands listing reach and protects industry rules   Example prompts for the Zillow App in ChatGPT Find me homes in west seattle 3 beds 2 baths under 800k Find me homes in west seattle 3 beds 2 baths under 800k and within 2 miles of West Seattle high school I need help finding a nice place to live that's 2 hours from New York city. I like a community-minded place that's friendly.   Subscribe to Real Estate Insiders Unfiltered on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/@RealEstateInsidersUnfiltered?sub_confirmation=1   To learn more about becoming a sponsor of the show send us an email: jessica@inman.com You asked for it. We delivered. Check out our new merch! https://merch.realestateinsidersunfiltered.com/   Follow Real Estate Insiders Unfiltered Podcast on Instagram - YouTube, Facebook - TikTok. Visit us online at realestateinsidersunfiltered.com.   Link to Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/RealEstateInsidersUnfiltered Link to Instagram Page: https://www.instagram.com/realestateinsiderspod/ Link to YouTube Page: https://www.youtube.com/@RealEstateInsidersUnfiltered Link to TikTok Page: https://www.tiktok.com/@realestateinsiderspod Link to website: https://realestateinsidersunfiltered.com This podcast is produced by Two Brothers Creative. https://twobrotherscreative.com/contact/  

Exclusive: Seattle Police chief Shon Barnes was eating lunch yards away from the West Seattle jewelry heist. There was a shooting at Golden Gardens Park in Seattle. The AP pushes claim that feeding your dog damages the environment. Experts warn that we still have a ways to go before we’re out of the woods of wildfire season. // Democrats and the media are rooting for President Trump to fail in his negotiations with Putin and Zelenskyy. // While his challenger is much crazier, Seattle Mayor Bruce Harrell doesn’t deserve to win re-election.

Feliks Banel's guests on this SUMMER ENCORE EPISODE of CASCADE OF HISTORY are Eric Ulis, D.B. Cooper expert, searcher and researcher with a virtual class we like to call 'D.B. COOPER 101,' and then roving correspondent Ken Zick, who joins us live from the monument at rainy and windswept Alki Beach in West Seattle to mark the anniversary of the arrival of The Denny Party, considered the city's founders. This encore broadcast of CASCADE OF HISTORY was presented at 8pm Pacific Time on Sunday, August 17, 2025 via SPACE 101.1 FM and streaming live via www.space101fm.org from studios at historic Magnuson Park – located in the former Master-at-Arms quarters in the old Sand Point Naval Air Station - on the shores of Lake Washington in Seattle. The original live broadcast was presented on November 12, 2023. Subscribe to the CASCADE OF HISTORY podcast via most podcast platforms and never miss regular weekly episodes of Sunday night broadcasts as well as frequent bonus episodes.

A Tacoma chef had his grill stolen from his car. Suspects stole a million dollars of jewelry during a West Seattle smash and grab. Guest: KIRO News Radio's Chris Sullivan on the grand finale to phase 1 of the 'month of hell' on 1-5 this weekend. // Big Local: After a meeting with Pierce County GOP Chair Dave McMullen, the WA State fair agreed to allow Pierce County GOP have their normal setup at the fair. Police have released body cam audio of a 2022 incident in Pullman that was eerily similar to the Bryan Kohberger murders in Idaho. Costco will not sell the abortion pill after pushback from pro-life investors. A DoorDash driver crashed his car in Lynnwood while high on meth. Cathcart community members are pushing back against Snohomish County over its plans for a massive housing development. // You Pick the Topic: An unlikely spat between Scott Baio and Tyrus.

Luke Duecy on several retail crimes in West Seattle and Ballard-LIVE // Robert Sherman in Kyiv on Ukrainian perspective ahead of the summit between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin-LIVE // Luke Duecy with local perspective on the summit between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin-LIVE // Katrina Guischard on how to navigate social media and AI while raising kids-LIVE // The Rick Rizzs Show: Previewing the series against the New York Mets and the Little League World Series-LIVE // Gee Scott with a preview of tonight's Seahawks preseason game-LIVE // Paul Holden with a weekend planner-LIVE

Jumping rope can be a low tech way to spend a summer afternoon. But it’s also an international sport. We’ll hear from a local youth jump rope team who represented the US this summer in Japan. We can only make Seattle Now because listeners support us. Tap here to make a gift and keep Seattle Now in your feed. Got questions about local news or story ideas to share? We want to hear from you! Email us at seattlenow@kuow.org, leave us a voicemail at (206) 616-6746 or leave us feedback online.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sound Transit has a busy few years ahead. Trains are set to start running to Federal Way in December, but a long-awaited east side expansion across Lake Washington has been delayed again – to at least April 2026. That comes as riders and public transit enthusiasts alike are clamoring for additional light rail service to Ballard, West Seattle and beyond. Amid all of this, Sound Transit has a new CEO, former King County Executive Dow Constantine. Constantine came to KUOW for a long conversation about the future of Sound Transit and to answer several questions from our audience. Guest Dow Constantine, CEO of Sound Transit Thank you to the supporters of KUOW, you help make this show possible! If you want to help out, go to kuow.org/donate/soundsidenotes Soundside is a production of KUOW in Seattle, a proud member of the NPR Network. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A senior living center in West Seattle continues to play whack-a-mole with a homeless encampment. The Steve Miller Band has canceled all of its upcoming concerts due weather disasters that they blame on climate change. Guest: Washington State Senate Minority Leader John Braun (R-Centralia) cuts through Democrats’ lies about The Big Beautiful Bill. // Big Local: Residents in cities like Kent and Bellevue continue to deal with the hassle that is the garbage workers strike. An absurd article in the Spokesman Review claims that the presence of ICE agents could cause problems for local law enforcement. // Guest: Jake Skorheim and Jason discuss the viral moment of a CEO and his employee getting caught in an affair at a Coldplay concert. 

What’s Trending: Pramila Jayapal doubled down on her comments comparing ICE agents to terrorists. A US Coast Guard’s heroic actions saved hundreds of people’s lives during the Texas floods. A 17-year-old girl was stabbed in West Seattle and, yet again, the suspect is a teenager. Homes prices are even more expensive in Washington. // Big Local: A family in Bremerton started a house fire after not disposing of their fireworks properly. A large dune fire was set ablaze in Ocean Shores. A man in Monroe blew off his entire hand in a fireworks accident. // You Pick the Topic: An elderly Democrat delegate continues to insist that she’s running for reelection only to have her staff walk it back. Employers are being more honest about “work-life” balance.

Some of the gems Guy picked up at the West Seattle Garage Sale weekend.

Attorneys of the illegal immigrant that allegedly killed Washington State Trooper are trying to get the case dismissed. Governor Ferguson signed a bill that would give state agencies more authority to inspect the ICE detention center in Tacoma. A West Seattle stabbing suspect asked his victim a very strange question. UW professor Cliff Mass is calling out the school’s feckless response to the virulent antisemitism on campus. // There were fireworks at RFK Jr.’s hearing before the House today. // Seattle-based criminal defense attorney Anne Bremner explains the latest in the Menendez Brothers’ case.

Join me on the latest REI Deal Breakdown on a West Seattle assignment deal! In my latest video, I unravel how a vacant property turned into a $18k profit through strategic decision-making and open communication. With real estate, sometimes it's about knowing when to walk away and when to negotiate your way to success. Curious about how transparency and a little flexibility can lead to big gains? Check out the full story!   Have a deal? Contact me! greg@velocityhousebuyers.com Instagram @grego_37

On Saturdays, Seattle Now is bringing you the best from the KUOW newsroom…President Donald Trump marked 100 days into his second term, the City of Seattle planned to withhold concerns about the West Seattle Light Rail from federal regulators, and Mediterranean food from a specific region is showing up in Seattle's crowded food scene. We can only make Seattle Now because listeners support us. Tap here to make a gift and keep Seattle Now in your feed. Got questions about local news or story ideas to share? We want to hear from you! Email us at seattlenow@kuow.org, leave us a voicemail at (206) 616-6746 or leave us feedback online.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's day 81 of the Trump administration as we record this episode (on Friday morning) and things are getting … alarming. Seattleites are increasingly freaking out about the chaos and insanity in the Other Washington, and who can blame them?Middle school students in West Seattle were rushed inside because someone thought they saw an ICE vehicle (spoiler alert: it was just plain ol' SPD). And Erica's got the grim details about how Trump's "slash and burn" cuts are starting to hit local homelessness programs. And if that wasn't enough, brace yourselves after last week's City budget forecast – which projects a $241 million revenue gap. We discuss the impossible task facing city budget planners as they try to predict the impact of Trump's erratic trade policies and the resulting stock and bond market volatility, and we consider the grim prospect of what the hell might happen to the City's finances (nothing good!) if Trump truly tanks the economy. Admittedly, it's a pessimistic convo this week. But hey, at least we all agree on this one. Buckle up, Seattle Nice listeners, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. Our editor is Quinn Waller. About Seattle Nice It's getting harder and harder to talk about politics, especially if you disagree. Well, screw that. Seattle Nice aims to be the most opinionated and smartest analysis of what's really happening in Seattle politics available in any medium.Send us a text! Note that we can only respond directly to emails realseattlenice@gmail.comHEARTH Protection: Do not let fear make your world smaller. Support the showYour support on Patreon helps pay for editing, production, live events and the unique, hard-hitting local journalism and commentary you hear weekly on Seattle Nice.

5pm: ICE vehicle seen near West Seattle school, principal tells parents // Rantz Exclusive: Seattle Times claimed ICE spotted at Seattle school; it was actually SPD // SPD releases a statement in response // ‘You jeopardize safety’: Rep. Jim Jordan investigates Washington over sanctuary state policy // Today in History // 1849 - The Safety Pin is patented; rights sold for $400 // Letters 

A scary shooting near a vigil has West Seattle residents spooked. An Orangutan at Woodland Park Zoo bit a zookeeper. The mainstream media reached a new low point due to some of the questions ‘60 Minutes’ asked a former Hamas hostage. Trump has a big announcement tomorrow on ‘Liberation Day.’ // Big Local: The Everett organization ‘Hope N’ Wellness’ has a found a new location after a city ordinance demanded it leave the downtown core. A postal worker in Spanaway was robbed at gunpoint and had their master key stolen. Kent might impose a SODA ordinance. There’s been a spike in whooping cough cases in Washington State. // You Pick the Topic: ‘Torpedo bats’ are taking baseball by storm.

There was an officer-involved-shooting in West Seattle. The Seattle City Council signed off a new plan to build workforce housing in SODO. An outreach team from a group called ‘We Deliver Care’ will begin operating in Seattle’s Little Saigon neighborhood. There’s a fake jewelry scam going around Arlington. // LongForm: GUEST:Deputies with the King County Sheriff's Office (KCSO) are sounding the alarm over a lack of staffing. Mike Mansanarez, the president of the King County Police Officers Guild, joined "The Jason Rantz Show" on KTTH on Tuesday -- breaking down the staffing numbers and speaking on law enforcement being used for a political agenda. // Quick Hit: DOGE is working to cut waste in Social Security.  

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From deep within the bowels of Suave Manor in -somewhat- beautiful West Seattle on this third rock from the sun comes another pack of power poppin' floor fillers guaranteed to get you up and pogoing, shimmying, shoulder shakin' or whatever it is that moves your tailfeather. New tunes from KVNX, The Wrong Society, The Embrooks and more. Tune in, turn on and get to listenin'.  As always find a complete track list, a bonus third set of songs, and all the important links to all the important stuff over on the modcast homepage.And keep up with me between modcasts: Mod Radio UK X  Facebook Instagram Bluesky Spotify iHeart Radio Subscribe with iTunes What is Mod? Mr. Suave's Mod Mod World is the web's original modcast celebrating mod-influenced music from past eras including #mod #powerpop #punkrock #garagerock #northernsoul #britpop #acidjazz #lounge #exotica #ska #modrevival & more. Featuring over 500 mod friendly music mixes since 2006.

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What’s Trending: Howard Schultz questions Jay Inslee’s Climate Change track record, Add-ons to Ballard and West Seattle light rail lines are going to cost a lot, Jordan Morris returns to The Sounders after suffering a bad injury and there’s going to be a new homeless encampment that you didn’t hear about. House Minority Leader JT Wilcox phones in to brief us on some of the horrid bills the House will be voting on. It’s Jason’s birthday and we’re celebrating knocking down the homeless encampment bill. 

4pm: Matt Markovich - Spinning the Wheel of Legislation // Wood Burning // Grizzly Bear Bill // Octopus Farms Banned // Feliks Banels - The 173rd Anniversary of the settlers deciding “West Seattle sucks, let’s go somewhere else // On Nov. 13, 1851, the Denny Party lands at Alki Point // Philly celebrates for the Eagles Super Bowl Parade 

Rep. Brianna Thomas has done a lot of things in her life, and they all led, in one way or another, to the day she was sworn in as Washington state's newest representative. Today we talk about some of those stops along the way, and what she has planned for this new experience.

Local author David B. Williams’ Seattle Walks: Discovering History and Nature in the City leads readers through loops and one-way strolls, traversing terrain ranging pockets of downtown, to North and West Seattle. Each walk tells a story, exploring how Seattle came to be the city it is today through both big and small details. But in the years since it was first published in 2017, the city has changed -- in more ways than one. Williams wanted his walks to reflect the history of that change too. A new edition of Seattle Walks releases today with routes both new and familiar. To understand the changes in the book and on the ground, Soundside host Libby Denkmann joined Williams on one of his newly designed walks – a stroll through Seattle's Central District. Guests: David B. Williams, author of Seattle Walks: Discovering History and Nature in the City. Related Links: Seattle Walks Thank you to the supporters of KUOW, you help make this show possible! If you want to help out, go to kuow.org/donate/soundsidenotes Soundside is a production of KUOW in Seattle, a proud member of the NPR Network.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rainy Day Rundown is your weekly update on the latest happenings in education and the community. In this episode:School Board Retreat: A new team-building exercise reveals governance styles, with an emphasis on detail-oriented approaches and a notable absence of "caring" styles on the board.Goals and Guardrails Meetings: Short notice and low attendance at Goals and Guardrails meetings raise concerns about representation and effectiveness.Legislative Insights: Legislature kicks off with some great informational sessions.Community Events: Recap of the "From Crisis to Classroom" event, featuring local activists and union leaders discussing fair school funding. Upcoming education funding event in West Seattle.Listener Notes: Kaitlin Murdock's analysis comparing Goals and Guardrails for successful urban districts.Call to Action: January 30th Billion Dollar Bake Sale rally planned in Olympia to advocate for education funding.See our Show NotesSupport the showContact us at hello@rainydayrecess.org.Rainy Day Recess music by Lester Mayo, logo by Cheryl Jenrow.

What’s Trending: The local media is trying to save a homeless center in Everett, but they’re not telling you the real reason it’s closing. Two early morning robberies in Seattle are likely linked. One in West Seattle and one in Lower Queen Anne. The incoming Trump Administration is suggesting that it will throw TikTok a lifeline. // Big Local: There’s been an epidemic rock throwers hitting cars on I-5 in Pierce County. Tacoma News Tribune is trying to help illegal immigrants. // You Pick the Topic: Sean Hannity got into a heated argument with a PETA spokesperson about the ethics of using live animals as college mascots.

What’s Trending: A small business in West Seattle is forced to close after the minimum wage hike leaves her expenditure too high. Will technological innovations be enough to keep small businesses alive? Washington democrats are pushing new gender extremism bills that would radically change how public schools operate. And a new real estate platform lets home buyers check their neighbor’s political affiliations. // LongForm: GUEST: Seattle City Council president Sara Nelson says the Starbucks closure by Pike Place Market is a much bigger deal than people realize, and explains why she’s running for re-election. // Quick Hit: ‘Home Improvement’ actor Zachery Ty Bryan arrested again for domestic violence

Jay Inslee announced a spending freeze amid a government revenue shortfall. Does this mean tax increases are on the way? FOB Sushi has reopened after their viral “worm” scandal. A man in West Seattle pruned a community Christmas tree, but he went a little too far. // Jason did something heroic for a fellow coworker today. Pete Hegseth continues to battle attacks coming from the media in his bid for Secretary of Defense. // The AP is inventing a non-troversy about what might happen to schools during mass deportations.

When it gets this dark outside, our region knows how to keep it light. ‘Tis the season for festive lights and light shows. Today we’ll walk through some of the season’s sparkling traditions, and stroll through one of the biggest: the Woodland Park Zoo’s Wild Lanterns installation. Read the list of the Seattle Public Library’s most popular books here Read more on the Bait Shop’s Holiday Light Show here Info on one West Seattle home’s holiday lights Seattle’s Candy Cane Lane information can be found here Find more info on WildLanterns here We can only make Seattle Now because listeners support us. Tap here to make a gift and keep Seattle Now in your feed. Got questions about local news or story ideas to share? We want to hear from you! Email us at seattlenow@kuow.org, leave us a voicemail at (206) 616-6746 or leave us feedback online.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What’s Trending: Boeing cowers after Seattle Times asked about “surveillance.” A man is in critical condition after being stabbed in North Seattle. West Seattle has matched its record high for homicides. Guest: Silent Majority Foundation General Counsel Pete Serrano goes over their lawsuit against Bob Ferguson over his COVID vaccine mandate as Attorney General. // Big Local: Edmonds is likely ditching its fire department in favor of annexing with South County Fire. Will it get rid of its police department too? Ruston bans late night booze sales. A Mountlake Terrace senior center is using virtual reality headsets for its residents. // An LA Times columnist quit after the paper’s move to become more fair and balanced.  

5pm:  Washington Congressman Adam Smith: “The Democratic Brand is Broken” // West Seattle light rail plans give business owners sticker shock // Clues Left by a Killer Echo Widespread Anger at Health Insurers // Nick Hanauer in 2013: The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats

Jay Inslee announced a spending freeze amid a government revenue shortfall. Does this mean tax increases are on the way? FOB Sushi has reopened after their viral “worm” scandal. A man in West Seattle pruned a community Christmas tree, but he went a little too far. // Trump’s pick to lead the DEA has withdrawn from consideration just days after being nominated due to blowback from conservatives about his record as a sheriff. A Democrat Congressman is joining the Republicans’ DOGE Caucus. // The AP is inventing a non-troversy about what might happen to schools during mass deportations.  

Fall City teen charged with murdering family members, West Seattle light rail route is decided, and McDonald's E. coli outbreak has reached WA. It's our daily roundup of top stories from the KUOW newsroom, with host Paige Browning. We can only make Seattle Now because listeners support us. You have the power! Make the show happen by making a gift to KUOW. We want to hear from you! Follow us on Instagram at SeattleNowPod, or leave us feedback.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What’s Trending: A Lake City business owner is calling out the city after dealing with repeated break-ins and homelessness near his store. A West Seattle 7-11 employee thought he was inches from death when he was held at gunpoint. Climate Pledge Arena once again hosted an NBA preseason game over the weekend, renewing calls for Seattle to get an NBA team. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson sparred with NBC’s Kristin Welker over Donald Trump’s medical records. Kamala Harris continues to bleed support with black voters. // LongForm: GUEST: Jerrod Sessler gives an update on his campaign against fellow Republican Dan Newhouse in Washington’s 4th congressional district. // The Quick Hit: A former criminal that turned her life around was recently sworn in by the Washington State Bar Association.

What’s Trending: Republicans are calling out FEMA’s response to Hurricane Helene and blasting the Biden Administration for diverting disaster relief funds towards illegal immigrants. A claim that the administration says is false. West Seattle’s ‘Easy Street Records’ had a horrible weekend when their store flooded due to a burst pipe and they had a break-in. Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen made the wild claim that if Trump is elected he will round up his political opponents. // Big Local: The Edmonds city government is facing a budget crisis of about $13 million. Thurston County Sheriff Derek Sanders was struck by an allegedly drunk driver. This is the second time he has been in a collision. Snohomish County has an initiative on the ballot to raise its sales tax to fund public safety. // A North Carolina woman lost 35 pounds by only eating one food.

Friday, October 4th, 2024Today,  former Colorado County clerk Tina Peters has been sentenced to nine years in prison; a federal judge rules that the Biden administration can move forward with its student debt forgiveness plan; the DOJ has arrested a group of 68 white supremacists in California for drug and gun trafficking; a former doctor who participated in the insurrection was shot and killed at a shooting in West Seattle; and Allison and Dana deliver your Good News. Smalls cat food is made with protein packed recipes made with ingredients – delivered right to your door. To get 50% off your first order, plus free shipping, go to Smalls.com/DAILYBEANS and use promo code DAILYBEANS at checkout. Stories:Former Colorado county clerk Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years for election tampering (ABC News)Armed woman killed while being served paperwork at her West Seattle home identified (K5 | Seattle)Sixty-Eight Defendants Charged in Indictment of Dozens of Members and Associates of California White Supremacist Gang (Justice.gov)Biden administration can move forward with student loan forgiveness, federal judge rules (CNBC) Guest:John Fugelsanghttps://www.johnfugelsang.com/tmehttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-john-fugelsang-podcast/id1464094232The Sexy Liberal Save The World Comedy Tourhttps://sexyliberal.comHarris Social Media Toolkit Harris Campaign Social Media Toolkit (kamalaharris.com)Give to the Kamala Harris Presidential Campaign Kamala Harris — Donate via ActBlue (MSW Media's Donation Link)See What's On Your Ballot, Check Your Voter Registration, Find Your Polling Place, Discover Upcoming Debates In Your Area, And Much More! Vote411.org Check out other MSW Media podcastshttps://mswmedia.com/shows/Subscribe for free to MuellerSheWrote on Substackhttps://muellershewrote.substack.comFollow AG and Dana on Social MediaDr. Allison Gill https://muellershewrote.substack.comhttps://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrotehttps://www.threads.net/@muellershewrotehttps://www.tiktok.com/@muellershewrotehttps://instagram.com/muellershewroteDana Goldberghttps://twitter.com/DGComedyhttps://www.instagram.com/dgcomedyhttps://www.facebook.com/dgcomedyhttps://danagoldberg.comCheck out the first 2 episodes of Trump's Project 2025: Up Close and Personal.https://trumpsproject2025pod.com/A Special Excel Training From Generation Data for Daily Beans Listeners!Saturday, October 12 · 10am - 1pm PDTgenerationdata.org/daily-beansCheck Your Voter Registration!vote.orgThere is a new “Harris For President” Patreon tier:https://www.patreon.com/muellershewrote/membershipHave some good news; a confession; or a correction to share?Good News & Confessions - The Daily Beanshttps://www.dailybeanspod.com/confessional/From The Good NewsPublic Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) (studentaid.gov)Governor Walz's Signature Accomplishments (mn.gov)Missourians for Constitutional Freedom (moconstitutionalfreedom.org)American Association of University Women (aauw.org)Jimmy Eat World - The Middle (Official Music Video | YouTube)  Join the private Facebook GroupBehind The Beans | Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/945514845813104 Check out other MSW Media podcastshttps://mswmedia.com/shows/Subscribe for free to MuellerSheWrote on Substackhttps://muellershewrote.substack.com Follow AG and Dana on Social MediaDr. Allison Gill https://muellershewrote.substack.comhttps://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrotehttps://www.threads.net/@muellershewrotehttps://www.tiktok.com/@muellershewrotehttps://instagram.com/muellershewroteDana Goldberghttps://twitter.com/DGComedyhttps://www.instagram.com/dgcomedyhttps://www.facebook.com/dgcomedyhttps://danagoldberg.comHave some good news; a confession; or a correction to share?Good News & Confessions - The Daily Beanshttps://www.dailybeanspod.com/confessional/ Listener Survey:http://survey.podtrac.com/start-survey.aspx?pubid=BffJOlI7qQcF&ver=shortFollow the Podcast on Apple:The Daily Beans on Apple PodcastsWant to support the show and get it ad-free and early?Supercasthttps://dailybeans.supercast.com/OrPatreon https://patreon.com/thedailybeansOr subscribe on Apple Podcasts with our affiliate linkThe Daily Beans on Apple Podcasts

Amazon workers will be in office 5 days a week starting in January, there are still hundreds of open seats in the Seattle Preschool Program which offers sliding scale tuition, and cars can't take the Spokane Street bridge to West Seattle, but bikes and pedestrians can. It's our daily roundup of top stories from the KUOW newsroom, with host Patricia Murphy. We want to year from YOU! Fill out Seattle Now's annual survey to help us make the show better, and weigh in on what we should cover. We can only make Seattle Now because listeners support us. You have the power! Make the show happen by making a gift to KUOW. We want to hear from you! Follow us on Instagram at SeattleNowPod, or leave us feedback.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A group of kids playing with a mysterious app called Randonautica follow its directions to Alki Beach in West Seattle. There they find a strange black suitcase on the rocks below the pier. Intrigued, they open the case to reveal a putrid smell. Responding officers would find other bags and reveal the suitcase was filled with the dismembered body parts of two people, Jessica Lewis and Austin Wenner. Seattle would be gripped in fear until their killer was caught.