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"Find the power in the pause." Ann and Amanda interview Suzee Dunn, magic, gorgeous, beautiful, wise goddess! She likes to "make things that help people and help people make things," and she's been doing just that in so many capacities all over Hollywood!We're trying something different these days -- enjoy today's interview episode and stay tuned for another episode about reality TV/pop culture/whatever else Ann and Amanda want to talk about in a few days!Check out:Suzee's socials: @bosswitchNOTE: The WSANDA team is working remotely from various locations right now, so everything's a little fucked up. Thanks for bearing with us!WSANDA SUBMISSIONS: wsandasubmissions@gmail.comFollow us on instagram @wesignedannda @mikiannmaddox @liffordthebigreddog so you can slither in our DMs with constructive feedback, but please, for the love of god, don't cyberbully us. We're fragile :-/If you're picking up what we're putting down and want even more Ann and Amanda comedy content, support us on Patreon. You have no idea how many times we've said "Wait, this is too batshit.....we'll put it on Patreon." Our cover art was made by America's sweetheart producer Maddy, and our theme song features parts of "Kawaii Til I Die" by Starjunk 95 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Suzee Dunn is a Writer, Comedian, Producer and all around Boss Witch originally from Battle Creek, Michigan where girls learned about periods, the boys did not, and some kids opted out completely! Special guest who had to make her voice know, Babe the pup. You can find Suzee on Instagram at @BossWitch Hey did you like this episode? Sweet! Leave a 5 star review telling us why you love Birds and Bees Don't Fuck on  Apple Podcasts and wherever else they'll let ya! Submit questions for our guest pop quiz and I'll give you a shout out! Follow Arielle on Instagram at @ArielleZadok Like to watch? Check out the video version of this podcast on YouTube!

Independent artist: SuZee Mack - HauntedYouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHFp6MfyugLink Tree: https://linktr.ee/suzeemackbandSocialsHosts: Peter Cabral: www.instagram.com/cabralphotography/?hl=enNick Cabral: www.instagram.com/nickcabral37/Producer: Darryn Arndt: www.instagram.com/darrynarndt/Theme song: Braden Mutch: www.instagram.com/braden_mutch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/justhitplaypodcast/Facebook: www.facebook.com/JusthitplaypodcastEmail: justhitplay7300@gmail.comwww.youtube.com/@justhitplaypodcast

Today's episode is sponsored by Kabo. We chat with Dr. Suzee, veterinarian pathologist and pet nutrition expert, about the importance of fresh foods for our pets and allergies in our dogs - from causes to ways to manage through diet. This episode is sponsored by Kabo - a dog food subscription service that delivers healthy, pre-portioned meals right to your door. With options from kibble to freshly cooked food, all made with human-grade ingredients, you can find something for your dog. Until the end of this month (June 2022), use code SALMON for 60% of your first box. Visit Kabo.co for more information. - You can follow Dr Suzee on Instagram @drsuzee.  - We have a brand new name and look - check out our new website and Instagram for our new logo, by Portraits for Paws!- I'm also proud to announce that Katie and I have collaborated on an amazing "Foster Fail" Boss t-shirt with her company Hot Diggity Apparel! Order now :)- Our new intro and outro were produced by Creatorly Media.- All advice given on Rescue Dog Love podcast is from a personal standpoint only - every dog is different and should be evaluated by a professional. For questions on your dog's training and health, please consult your vet and trainer and do thorough research.- Please rate us on Spotify Podcast and review us on Apple Podcasts to help our show continue to thrive and reach new people! You might even get a shoutout on our next episode. - If you have the finances to help, support the show here. Even $5 really goes a long way towards the costs of the show. Support the show

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Topic: About animals - Treating wounds with insects: the strange habits of Gabon chimps   How to treat a wound? For humans, the first instinct would be to disinfect it and then cover it with a bandage. But chimpanzees have invented a more creative method: catching insects and applying them directly to the open wound. 應該如何處理傷口呢？對於人類來說，第一個反應是對其進行消毒，然後用繃帶包紮。但黑猩猩發明了一種更有創意的方法：用昆蟲並將牠們直接塗抹在開放性傷口上。 Scientists observed this behavior in chimpanzees in the West African nation of Gabon, noticing that the apes not only use insects to treat their own wounds, but also those of their peers. 科學家們在西非國家加彭的黑猩猩身上觀察到這種行為，並注意到這些猿類不僅使用昆蟲來治療自己的傷口，還用來治療同伴。 The project began in 2019, when an adult female chimpanzee named Suzee was observed inspecting a wound on the foot of her adolescent son. Suzee then suddenly caught an insect out of the air, put it in her mouth, apparently squeezed it, and then applied it to her son's wound. 這項研究計畫始於2019年，科學家當時觀察到一隻名叫蘇西（Suzee）的成年雌黑猩猩，正在檢查牠青少年兒子腳上的傷口。接著，蘇西突然從空中抓了一隻蟲子，放進嘴裡抿碎，然後敷在牠兒子的傷口上。   Next Article   Topic: Deer runs into hospital, up escalator; later is euthanized 一隻鹿闖進醫院搭上電梯隨後被安樂死 News outlets reported that surveillance video showed a deer bounding into Our Lady of the Lake Hospital in Baton Rouge in Louisiana through an open door and stumbling on the slippery floor as stunned workers and visitors watched from a few feet away. 監視影片顯示，有一隻鹿從路易斯安那州巴頓魯治聖母湖醫院開放的大門跳進院內後，在易滑的地板上跌倒，震驚的工作人員和訪客在幾呎外目睹一切。 The deer regained its footing enough to climb up the escalator and reach the second floor, where it was finally corralled and held down by several people. 這隻鹿站穩腳步後爬進電梯搭到二樓，才終於被許多人一同壓制及捕捉。 The deer was loaded on a hospital bed that was rolled outside to a truck from the The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Department. 這隻鹿被放置在醫院病床上，推往路易斯安那野生動物和漁業部的卡車。 The animal had to be euthanized because of injuries, the agency said, adding there were indications it may have been struck by a vehicle before entering the building. 該機構說，由於這隻動物傷重，必須被安樂死。他們也補充道，牠看起來應該是進入醫院前遭汽車撞擊。 "Patient care has not been interrupted and the area is being thoroughly sanitized," said a statement by the hospital. 醫院聲明指出：「病患照護未受干擾，事發區域也已徹底消毒。」Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1501725 ; https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1502232   Next Article Topic: Kangaroos can learn to communicate with humans, researchers say Kangaroos can learn to communicate with humans similar to how domesticated dogs do, by using their gaze to "point" and ask for help, researchers said in a study published on Wednesday. 研究人員在週三發表的一份研究中說，和被馴化的狗類似，袋鼠可以學習和人類溝通，利用凝視來「指向」並尋求協助。 The study involved 11 kangaroos that lived in captivity but had not been domesticated. Ten of the 11 marsupials intently gazed at researchers when they were unable to open a box with food, according to the report. Nine alternately looked at the human and at the container, as a way of pointing or gesturing toward the object. 這份研究涉及11隻圈養但未經馴化的袋鼠。根據這份報告，這11隻有袋動物的其中10隻，在打不開一個裝有食物的盒子時，專注凝視研究人員。9隻交替看著人和容器，做為指向或是朝該物體示意的一種方法。 "We interpreted this as a deliberate form of communication, a request for help," Alan McElligott, the Irish researcher who led the study, told Reuters in a call. 主導這起研究的愛爾蘭研究人員亞倫‧麥克利戈特在電話中告訴路透，「我們將之解釋為一種刻意的溝通形式，是一種求助。」 The findings challenge the notion that only domesticated animals such as dogs, horses or goats communicate with humans. 這項發現挑戰了只有諸如狗、馬或山羊這類被馴化的動物會和人類溝通的觀念。   Next Article   Topic: 2 pythons weighing 100 pounds collapse ceiling in Australia （澳洲2條合計100磅的蟒蛇壓垮天花板） An Australian David Tait entered his home in Laceys Creek in Queensland state and was surprised to find a large chunk of the ceiling lying on his kitchen table. "I knew we hadn't had rain, so I looked around to find what had caused it," Tait said. 一名澳洲民眾大衛．泰特回到位於昆士蘭州萊西溪市的家時，驚訝地發現一大片天花板躺在廚房餐桌上。泰特說：「我知道沒下雨，所以我四處張望尋找事發原因。」 He soon found two culprits, non-venomous carpet pythons 2.8 meters and 2.5 meters long, that had slithered into a bedroom and living room. The snakes have an estimated combined weight of 45 kilograms. 他很快發現2隻罪魁禍首，各為2.8公尺及2.5公尺的無毒地毯蟒爬進了臥室和客廳。這2隻蟒蛇合計重達45公斤。 Snake catcher Steven Brown was called to remove the two snakes. "I would assume that it was two males fighting over a female that was nearby in the roof," he said. He suspected the female could still be in the ceiling or nearby. 捕蛇專家史蒂芬．布朗被叫來抓2隻蟒蛇。他說：「我想是2隻公蟒為了待在天花板附近的1隻母蟒在打架。」他懷疑，那隻母蟒或許還待在天花板或附近一帶。 The males were returned to the wild, but the suspected third snake hasn't been found. 2隻公蟒被野放，疑似還在屋內的第3隻蟒蛇下落不明。 Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1422528 ; https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1420019   Next Article   Topic: Fly south or roost? Canadian 'snowbirds' weigh Florida mid-pandemic Birds of a feather normally flock together, but the pandemic has divided Canada's "snowbird" warm weather migrants into two camps：those staying home this winter and those heading to Florida no matter the cost. 通常來說，物以類聚，但是這場疫情已經使加拿大每年遷徙到氣候溫暖區的「雪鳥族」分成兩陣營：待在家鄉過冬，以及不計代價前往佛州者。 Nearly a million Canadians make the annual pilgrimage, fleeing to the southern United States to pass what would otherwise be gray and snowy months with their toes tucked in the sand and ocean breeze in their hair. 每年有將近100萬名加拿大人飛奔到美國南方，享受漫步沙灘、和煦海風吹過髮梢，度過在家鄉會是滿是灰白雪世界的幾個月。 The coronavirus has led a majority to forgo the trip this year － but for those flouting Canada's repeated calls to stay put, the price tag on winter at the beach has skyrocketed. 新型冠狀病毒導致今年大多數人放棄這趟旅程，但是對那些不顧加拿大一再呼籲不要旅行的人來說，到南方沙灘過冬的代價飛漲。 Each plane ticket costs Can$500 and hauling the vehicle 55 miles across the border sets customers back $1,000. 每張機票要500加幣，把車子運送55英里越過邊境，則要花上1000加幣。   Next Article   Topic: Canadian officials warn drivers not to let moose lick their cars 加拿大官員警告駕駛 不要讓駝鹿舔他們的車 Officials in Jasper, an alpine town in Canada's Alberta province, have put up signs asking motorists to avoid allowing moose to lick the salt off their cars. 加拿大亞伯達省高山小鎮賈斯柏的官員們，已經張貼標語要求駕駛人不得允許駝鹿舔他們車外的鹽。 "They're obsessed with salt, it's one of the things they need for the minerals in their body," Jasper National Park spokesman Steve Young told CNN. "They usually get it from salt lakes in the park, but now they realized they can also get road salt that splashes onto cars." 「他們癡迷於鹽，鹽是其中一種牠們身體必需的礦物質」，賈斯柏國家公園發言人史蒂夫．楊告訴美國有線電視新聞網，「他們通常會從公園的湖鹽獲取它（礦物質），但現在他們知道，他們也能從濺在車上的路鹽得到」。 At the Jasper National Park, where people often park on the side of the road in hopes of catching a glimpse of the moose, letting the animals near your car is actually a serious danger. 賈斯柏國家公園內時常有人停車在路邊，希望能得到駝鹿的注意，但讓動物接近你的車，其實是非常危險的。 By allowing moose to lick the salt off your car, they will become habituated with being around cars. That poses a risk to both the animals and the drivers who can accidentally crash into them. 允許駝鹿舔你的車外的鹽，將會讓牠們習慣徘徊於車子旁邊。對動物及可能意外與牠們相撞的駕駛人都構成風險。 Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1422097

每日英語跟讀 Ep.K329: About animals - Treating wounds with insects: the strange habits of Gabon chimps   How to treat a wound? For humans, the first instinct would be to disinfect it and then cover it with a bandage. But chimpanzees have invented a more creative method: catching insects and applying them directly to the open wound. 應該如何處理傷口呢？對於人類來說，第一個反應是對其進行消毒，然後用繃帶包紮。但黑猩猩發明了一種更有創意的方法：用昆蟲並將牠們直接塗抹在開放性傷口上。 Scientists observed this behavior in chimpanzees in the West African nation of Gabon, noticing that the apes not only use insects to treat their own wounds, but also those of their peers. 科學家們在西非國家加彭的黑猩猩身上觀察到這種行為，並注意到這些猿類不僅使用昆蟲來治療自己的傷口，還用來治療同伴。 The project began in 2019, when an adult female chimpanzee named Suzee was observed inspecting a wound on the foot of her adolescent son. Suzee then suddenly caught an insect out of the air, put it in her mouth, apparently squeezed it, and then applied it to her son's wound. 這項研究計畫始於2019年，科學家當時觀察到一隻名叫蘇西（Suzee）的成年雌黑猩猩，正在檢查牠青少年兒子腳上的傷口。接著，蘇西突然從空中抓了一隻蟲子，放進嘴裡抿碎，然後敷在牠兒子的傷口上。   Next Article   Deer runs into hospital, up escalator; later is euthanized 一隻鹿闖進醫院搭上電梯隨後被安樂死   News outlets reported that surveillance video showed a deer bounding into Our Lady of the Lake Hospital in Baton Rouge in Louisiana through an open door and stumbling on the slippery floor as stunned workers and visitors watched from a few feet away. 監視影片顯示，有一隻鹿從路易斯安那州巴頓魯治聖母湖醫院開放的大門跳進院內後，在易滑的地板上跌倒，震驚的工作人員和訪客在幾呎外目睹一切。 The deer regained its footing enough to climb up the escalator and reach the second floor, where it was finally corralled and held down by several people. 這隻鹿站穩腳步後爬進電梯搭到二樓，才終於被許多人一同壓制及捕捉。 The deer was loaded on a hospital bed that was rolled outside to a truck from the The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Department. 這隻鹿被放置在醫院病床上，推往路易斯安那野生動物和漁業部的卡車。 The animal had to be euthanized because of injuries, the agency said, adding there were indications it may have been struck by a vehicle before entering the building. 該機構說，由於這隻動物傷重，必須被安樂死。他們也補充道，牠看起來應該是進入醫院前遭汽車撞擊。 "Patient care has not been interrupted and the area is being thoroughly sanitized," said a statement by the hospital. 醫院聲明指出：「病患照護未受干擾，事發區域也已徹底消毒。」Source article: https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1501725 ; https://features.ltn.com.tw/english/article/paper/1502232

New research suggests that chimpanzees might be performing a type of first aid; on themselves, and more notably, on their peers. Chimpanzees in Gabon have been observed catching flying insects, immobilising them by squeezing them between their lips, and then applying the insect to a wound. The behaviour was first noticed when an adult female chimpanzee named Suzee was spotted applying the insect treatment to her son's foot. Over a 15-month period, the chimpanzees were observed treating wounds in this manner at least 22 times. The research contributes to ongoing debate about the ability of animals, and chimpanzees in particular, to selflessly help others. Lynn speaks with Professor Dr Simone Pika; the co-author of the study. Dr Pika is the co-director of the Ozouga Chimpanzee Project in Gabon and leads an animal cognition lab at the Institute of Cognitive Science at the University of Osnabrück in Germany.

Beautiful new research out this week contributing to the ongoing debate about whether or not animals have empathy. For the first time, scientists have observed chimpanzees in the west African nation of Gabon making a band aid out of insects to treat wounds. What's interesting is that the apes not only treated their own wounds but also the wounds of their peers. The research published in the journal Current Biology https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)01732-2?_returnURL seems to show the ability of chimpanzees to selflessly help others.  There is a great video in the paper showing the behaviour which was first seen in 2019, when an adult female chimpanzee named Suzee was observed inspecting a wound on the foot of her adolescent son. Suzee then caught an insect out of the air, put it in her mouth, squeezed it, and then applied it to her son's wound. She continued to extract and reapply the insect from the wound a further two more times.  While the type of insect used has not been identified there are thoughts that it might contain anti-inflammatory substances that have a soothing effect.   The researchers observed chimpanzees administer the same treatment on themselves at least 19 times and twice on others during the 15-month study. In some cases, one chimp would catch an insect and pass it to a wounded chip for them to self-apply. This occurred in chips that they weren't genetically related to which shows the potential for animals other than humans to show prosocial abilities. Dr Michelle Dickinson joined Francesca Rudkin. LISTEN ABOVE 

Suzee Dunn joins the show to kick off Michigan month! Suzee is a Senior Health and Safety Production Manager at Walt Disney Studios and 20th Century. Suzee is from Battle Creek, MI. (CEREAL CITY, USA) and has commandeered a boat, taken shots with teachers, loves "Lake Life," and owes Peter $7,000. Plugs:  @BossWitch - LA C Community Fridge - AL for LA - Street Watch LA - Segments: Headlines, One Last Thing / One Good Thing --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/floridavs/support

I've always been so envious of the freedom my completely-out-of-the-broom-closet witch friends seem to enjoy. And while I know the grass is always greener on the other side, I know there are pitfalls and pratfalls for those witches who get to live out and proud, just as there are for those of us witches who have at least one foot in the broom closet. How valid are witches who have to practice from behind the broom closet door? Find me on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter & TikTok Find Twisted.Twigs, Suzee at TerminallyHomosexual and Zandra at Appalachian.Molotov on TikTok --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/molly-dyer/message

Limiting beliefs. In this episode, Suzee Edwards talks about accountability in your life for YOUR issues, to help heal your relationships.The UnspokenA happy marriage means you prioritize your partner and take accountability for your actions. What We Discuss with Suzee EdwardsFiguring out how you're contributing to the failure of your marriage.Identifying limited beliefs that are holding you back.Different types of lies and which one you tend to do.If you're ready to discipline your children without using old methods and get to the root of your triggers visit https://www.raisingchildrenyoulike.comNeed tools to raise well-behaved children without yelling or using old punitive methods? Check out our latest workshop. Visit: www.raisingchildrenyoulile.com/disciplineInner.U is the secret sauce to getting yourself unstuck and thriving where it matters most. The owner's manual for your entire life. This online coaching course gives you the tools to get yourself honestly and deeply happy where it matters most to you: your relationships to your SELF, BODY, MONEY, TIME, and more. Signing up today gets you a lifetime access to a ton of coaching worth thousands of dollars, including a private coaching session with an HG Coach, group masterclasses and access to Q&A recordings all to keep you happy and inspired. Go to inner.u and enter the code NOTYOURMOTHER for $50 off!Like this show? Please leave us a review here -- even one sentence helps! Consider including your Instagram handle so we can thank you personally!Full show notes and resources can be found here: www.notyourmotherspodcast.co/suzee-edwards

This week, I'm joined by two of the greatest people — Janine Hogan (@j9_hogan) and Suzee Dunn (@bosswitch) — to discuss one of Colin's greatest films, Orange County (2002). Some would say this is Colin's best film. Is that true? Who know, but what we do know is it's fun taking a trip back to the early 2000s. We talk about which zodiac signs the characters would be, this star-studded cast, and whether or not Janine and Suzee would get into Stanford. Plus, we get a fun questions for our "Call-In Colin" segment.  If you'd like to be a part of the next "Call-In Colin," call ‪(805) 622-9667‬ & Hanks for listening! Theme Music by Zach Olsen (@realzacholsen) Artwork by Matt Czap (@mattczap) — SHOW INFORMATIONInstagram: Instagram Twitter: Twitter Subscribe: Apple Podcasts Subscribe: Spotify

Suzee Lind gives a great message about the importance of our community

Actress, Trained Clown, and Theatre Maker, Susanna Amato joins us today! The conversation meanders playfully through offensive words, constructive bants, internet trolling, RuPaul's Drag Race, Suzee's first theatre experiences, and the future of the industry Watch On The Loop! Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt10j2dhfn4 Episode 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF1d7qPCpo8 Find Suzee at: https://www.susannaamato.com/ https://susannaamato.squarespace.com/ https://www.instagram.com/curlysue_0/ Shaolin Pete: http://shaolinpete.com/ https://www.instagram.com/shaolinpete/ Pretendship on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/2dANk38QBfG18gHyfDuHYW #Pretendship #SusannaAmato

Suzee is hot, cool, and has no problem getting people to fall in love with her. It's the staying in love that's the problem, even despite her best efforts to not get hurt again. So something has to change! Knowing exactly what you do in dating doesn't mean you'll stop doing it! There's more to it than that. We talk patterns and how to break them, dating in COVID, and holding yourself to treating yourself well, partially by letting go of the whole protecting yourself thing. It's time for a new chapter! Maybe even a new book. Listen up! Send all Qs and coaching requests to notyourtherapistpodcast@gmail.com OR @notyourtherapistpodcast on IG. You can come on the show anonymously or not; I'd love to help!   Write us a sweet review and rate us! Thanks!!

The recording today with Suzee Baily is a great example of what Floridians and people of coastal communities talk about these days. Suzee has a impressive resume as a actress, T.V. Personality, sportscaster and journalist. From 1984 through 2000 she has been both host and co-host of many syndicated TV shows. Which is probably why she is such a natural on the podcast today. Topics she is concerned with expressed with passion and understanding of getting a handle on our fight to keep our coastal communities and the traditions. Suzee speaks candidly about getting infected with MRSA and bacteria levels throughout out our water ways. We share the same philosophy that we nee to educate and unite our coastal communities to stand a chance in our fight for clean water. Hope you enjoy this episode on the Reel Guy Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us this week for a A Conversation on Cafes, Catering & COVID, with Suzee Brain, Brain & Poulter.

Episode 7: Keeping Your Sh*t Together in a Stressed World with Michelle Post and Scott Grossberg Join Michelle Post, MA, LMFT and Scott Grossberg, Esq., CLC, C.Ht., NLP for 45 minutes of raw, irreverent, and results-oriented discussion with one purpose in mind . . . to help you cope, thrive, and survive the craziness that's going on in the world. Our special guest for this episode is Suzee Miller, Feng Shui Master, Author, Educator, Consultant and Professional Speaker. Suzee is the owner of Feng Shui Plaza (http://fengshuiplaza.com). In this episode, she teaches about the basics of Feng Shui, how to use this ancient tool for dealing with the current crisis and keep our wits and sanity about us. Michelle Post can be reached at michelle@postinternationalinc.com http://postinternationalinc.com Scott Grossberg can be reached at sgrossberg@hotmail.com http://thinkingmagically.com © ® 2020 Scott Grossberg & Michelle Post. All rights reserved. "Easy Lemon (60 second)" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ DISCLAIMER: MICHELLE IS A THERAPIST, BUT SHE IS NOT YOUR THERAPIST. SCOTT IS AN ATTORNEY, BUT HE IS NOT YOUR ATTORNEY. THE INFORMATION AND EMAIL DISCUSSION THAT TAKES PLACE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT LEGAL, MEDICAL, NOR MENTAL HEALTH ADVICE. PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT CREATE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT NOR THERAPIST-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP. MICHELLE AND SCOTT ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY LOSSES OR DAMAGES RELATED TO ACTIONS OR FAILURES TO ACT RELATED TO ANY OF THEIR PROGRAMS OR TRAINING. IF YOU NEED SPECIFIC LEGAL, MEDICAL, OR MENTAL HEALTH ADVICE OR HELP, CONSULT WITH A PROFESSIONAL WHO SPECIALIZES IN YOUR SUBJECT MATTER AND JURISDICTION. NEVER DISREGARD THE MEDICAL ADVICE OF A PSYCHOLOGIST, PHYSICIAN OR OTHER HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, OR DELAY IN SEEKING SUCH ADVICE, BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION OFFERED OR PROVIDED WITHIN OR RELATED TO ANY OF MICHELLE'S OR SCOTT'S PROGRAMS OR TRAININGS. MICHELLE'S AND SCOTT'S PROGRAMS AND TRAINING ARE NOT SUITED FOR EVERYONE. THEY DO NOT ASSUME, AND SHALL NOT HAVE, ANY LIABILITY TO USERS FOR INJURY OR LOSS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH. THEY MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AND EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ANY AND ALL LIABILITY CONCERNING ANY TREATMENT OR ANY ACTION FOLLOWING THE INFORMATION OFFERED OR PROVIDED WITHIN OR THROUGH ANY PROGRAM, COACHING, CONSULTING OR STRATEGIC WORK SESSION. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

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Tahnee speaks with her beloved Yin Yoga teacher Paul Grilley on the pod today. Paul is the founder of the modern form of Yin Yoga. Paul has a deep passion and interest in Anatomy and Chakra Meditation and has been teaching and practicing yoga for decades. Along with his wife Suzee, Paul has trained thousands of yoga students and teachers across the globe and is an absolute specialist in his areas of interest. Today we explore the traditional foundations and teachings of yoga, what is has come to mean in our modern and westernised society. We delve into anatomy, Taoist philosophy, the concept of Qi and bust a few myths around the practice of asana. Whether you're an established yogi, a yoga beginner or just curious, today's chat will offer you a grounded and insightful view of the practice that is yoga. Tahnee and Paul explore: Paul's path to yoga, how he got to where he is today. What yoga has become in the west. The underbelly of the yoga industry; power, influence and hierarchy. The rise of Yin Yoga; why it has become so popular in western society today. Complementing Yang yoga with Yin. Yin Yoga as a platform for introspection. The power of the hold; stillness as a transformational element in the practice of Yin Yoga. Qi, the intelligent and creational force - "maintaining form without disfunction is Qi" - Paul Grilley. Anatomy and range of motion; the impact a persons skeletal structure has on their ability to achieve certain poses in asana practice - "different shaped bones will have different ranges of motion, because every reasonable range of motion eventually the bone hits the bone it's pivoting against." - Paul Grilley. Whether there is enough education in modern 200hr teacher training courses.   Who is Paul Grilley? Paul Grilley has been teaching Yoga since 1980 and his special interest is the teaching of Anatomy and Chakra Meditation. He is the founder of Yin Yoga in its modern form and has trained thousands of yoga students and teachers with his wife Suzee Grilley. Paul and Suzee practice yoga postures in the style of Paulie Zink and pattern their philosophy on the writings and researches of Dr. Hiroshi Motoyama - a yogi and scientist from Tokyo, Japan. This philosophy integrates the Taoist meridian and acupuncture theories of China with the yogic and tantric theories of India. Paul and Suzee live in Ashland, Oregon.   Resources: Paul's Website Paul's Online Anatomy Course Paul's Chakra DVD Paul's Anatomy DVD Paul's Yin Yoga DVD Paul's Chakra Book Paul's Yin Yoga Book   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast?   A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or check us out on Stitcher :)! Plus we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Tahnee:   (00:00) Hi, everyone. Welcome to the SuperFeast Podcast. Today, I have Paul Grilley with me. Paul is the leading Yin Yoga innovator, and one of the top Yin Yoga teachers in the world. He and his wife, Suzee, trained 1,000 of students around the world, and he's also the author of two books, The Yin Yoga Principals and Practice Book, and a Yogi's Guide To Chakra Meditation, which was just published this year. He also has a whole bunch of educational videos, and an online course available, which we will put next to the show notes. I know many of you out there are yogi's, I'm really lucky to call Paul my teacher so I am really greatful to have him here today. Paul thank you for joining us on the SuperFeast podcast.   Paul Grilley:     (00:44) I am happy to be here. Thanks for having me.   Tahnee:   (00:47) I was curious if you could go back to the start, I know your a boy from Montana, and always interested as to how people find yoga. Would you mind sharing that with us, today?   Paul Grilley:     (01:01) I found yoga reading the book, Autobiography of a Yogi. That was the summer of 1978, I believe I got that right. Yeah. No, maybe '79, '78? '78. Anyway, a long time ago, and that book completely blew my mind. I had no idea that this kind of stuff, what really looked spiritual traditions were, I sort of grew up a Christmas time, Christianity family, meaning that's the only time we ever really thought about it.   Paul Grilley:   (01:38) I was not indoctrinated in any type of religious or spiritual teaching, and I got interested in sort of the human potential. I was 20 at the time, 19, 20, and I was reading things about what people could do under hypnosis, or I can't remember some of the other things I was into. I asked a guy in my town who I thought might know about such things, and said, "I'm really interested in the yoga mind over body thing," and he says, "Well, here's a book you should read and he gave me a list of two or three books, actually, and the Autobiography was the one book that was readily available to me, and I read that, and I was just completely shocked, sort of like how can you get through life and not be exposed to these ideas? They seem incredibly important.   Tahnee:   (02:24) [crosstalk 00:02:24].   Paul Grilley:   (02:25) It was reading the Autobiography of a Yogi is what got me into yoga.   Tahnee:   (02:29) From there, in the late '70s in the states, I know it from my historical studies that yoga wasn't exactly super popular, most of the exposure people had was kind of probably more that traditional... Almost the sannyasin kind of a thing where it was a community of people practicing together. How did you even get to be a yoga teacher then if you're reading a book in Montana.   Paul Grilley:   (02:57) That was actually an accident. What happened I was, I enrolled at the community college near me, and I was taking an anatomy courses, and I was trying to study anything Indian, and I got a couple Hatha Yoga books, some very simple Hatha Yoga books of the time, and I thought I'd study anatomy to sort of bolster my understanding of what I was doing. That was, again, right soon after that same summer, and I was talking about yoga to friends of mine, and trying to get them interested in doing it, and working out with me.   Paul Grilley:   (03:33) I essentially was like the gym rat, it's like, "Do you want to work out with me?" You know? We were talking about it, and a woman there, Sandy, I can't remember her last name, she says, "Oh, I've done a little bit of yoga before, but I've got this book at home, it's kind of like a comic book, it's maybe not as serious as maybe what you study, but I could bring it in," and I'm like, "Look bring it in, I don't know that much about yoga, I'm just getting started." It turns out it was Bikram Choudhury's Introduction, or Beginning Yoga Class, and it is a big picture book, but at the very front of that book is a picture of Bikram's guru, and Bikram's older brother was Paramahansa Yogananda, so I thought, oh, my God this is it, this is the Hatha Yoga lineage that must be very closely related to what Yogananda was teaching, because look it's his brother who did this.   Paul Grilley:   (04:27) Like a lot of people do, you sort of spin this fantasy story God's talking to me, oh, my God, first he led me to Yogananda, and now he's led me to Yogananda's lineage of Hatha Yoga, I spun this story instantly, and I wondered my way down to LA to see what Bikram Yoga was about. Bikram at the time was teaching in Beverly Hills, and he was one of, and I'm not a sociologist, so I could be off about this a little bit, but there might have been four studios in the greater LA area of 10 million people, there might have been four, there could have been others, but those were the only ones I was aware of, so even in the hot bed of counterculture LA yoga was not a popular thing, and so it was surprising to me to go to a studio where he was teaching four classes a day, sometimes five classes a day in a studio setting.   Paul Grilley:   (05:26) That was totally new to me. In fact, I don't think aerobics had spread to Montana. Aerobics existed in California, but where I was from, I didn't know what an exercise class was, "What do you mean exercise class," that made no sense to me. I get going to the gym, lift weights. I get, go play football with your friends. What is an exercise class? It was a double whammy for me to see, one, wow, a lot of people are doing yoga, and two, and they're doing it in this exercise class format, and so I just sort of drank that in about, wow, you can actually earn a living doing this, and so I sort of fell into teaching Hatha Yoga like that.   Tahnee:   (06:12) You were teaching Bikram when you were there or....   Paul Grilley:   (06:15) Yeah. I taught, at first I taught, well, I wasn't there very long, I was there about, I'm a little hazy on the dates, but maybe I was there 18 months, or something, and we had a huge falling out, and I stopped teaching his system after we had this huge falling out. I don't really know why, I just was sort of like, all right, I'm not going to teach that anymore, I don't like him, so I'm not going to teach that system.   Tahnee:   (06:41) I can imagine at that time there would have been a lot of, I don't know his ego was substantial. Yeah. It would have been a lot of stuff going on and brewing, because I mean...   Paul Grilley:   (06:59) It doesn't surprise me, well, it does surprise me a little bit how bad that scandal has become, it's kind of shocking, but looking back the seeds of his behavior were readily apparent, it's just that sometimes you get shocked about how far it goes. Now, that you're reading about, you know this was 40 years ago, so now 40 years later you see how far it goes, you go like, "Oh, my God," it's like, what was a sprout of not very good behavior patterns has evidently, if you can believe people, and I do become an impenetrable force of unbelievable bad behavior.   Tahnee:   (07:35) This is a small segway, but I think that's something I've noticed in yoga is that what you're already quite strong at can be cultivated if you don't have a lot of discernment, and even a good teacher who can kind of keep you in check, so if you naturally have the tendency toward perhaps power, and charisma, and control, those things can become very strong. Is that something you sort of seen, or would agree?   Paul Grilley:   (08:02) I think so, absolutely. I see it, I see the parallel in the martial arts, as well. I think, I'm trying to not speak in cliches, but they've been thrown around so much, it's the dynamic, it's the social dynamic of the one person in charge has all the answers, or he comes from the tradition that has all the answers, and there aren't many options. It's kind of like, well, you better stick with this teacher, or you're not going to get a chance to learn this, whether it's yoga, or Aikido, or Jujitsu, it's sort of like they kind of have a lock on the market, and I think that leads to detrimental human relationships.   Paul Grilley:   (08:44) I think, I've seen many sort of arcs of started with good intentions, and then it went bad. I've seen that repeated several times. If I'm honest, and I introspect on my own behavior I can see where, if I hadn't been married, and had someone constantly checking my behavior you can sort of see where little tick here and there, and that pattern of speech, or behavior, or mannerism would have grown into something not very spiritually productive, let's say.   Tahnee:   (09:18) So that makes me think if people are in these careers, and industries where they can be merging spirituality and work, and they're also making money out of these ideas and concepts, and I lot of the time isolating themselves at the top, or surrounding themselves with people that are kind of yes man for want of a better word, I mean I feel like it's such a tricky thing to navigate as a beginning student or even someone who kind of, like you were saying, in the middle of their career going well this is the path, how do I, how do I navigate it? I Think there's so few voices of reason in yoga, and to me when I first met you and Suzee, which was in 2013 I thought... I was like, wow these guys are actually living yoga right, you were the first people I've known in the yoga community with maybe one exception, that I thought was truly embodying what I thought yogic principles were, and actually kind of keeping themselves humble and in check, and trying to really look at the function and purpose of why we would practice.   Tahnee:   (10:28) I think when you start yoga your kind of thinking, I'm going to get more flexible, and I'm going to get healthier, and all of these various things, and then there's almost like this cult of yoga once you get into it. I kept watching teachers abuse students physically, and even emotionally and energetically, it was this really toxic culture. I wonder, you were in LA in kind of I guess the hot bed of this, because I knew you worked at Yoga Works, which is really the foundation of modern yoga in a lot of ways, I thought they created, the foundation to teacher trainings all around the world. Did you see that kind of stuff brewing like you did with Bikram, or was it not that obvious at the beginning? How did we end up where we are? Is my question to you.   Paul Grilley:   (11:18) You know, I think that's been part of human nature, and human relationships forever. I think that's when I look back, and I read books, and read between the lines of what is, or is not said about cultures from a long, long time ago, all the way up into a 100 years ago, to 50 years ago, to today, I think that is, I think that's human nature, I think that there are forces in the human group psychology that I think create hierarchy and I think that can be good, or it can be bad.   Paul Grilley:   (11:53) I think what it gives me an appreciation for, this might be overstretching it a bit, but it makes me appreciate what people had to go through 400 or 500 years ago to break the grip of the church. Then, to break the grip of divine right of kings. It makes me really think about that humanist movement, and what they were probably rebelling against. They probably weren't rebelling against the teachings of the church, they were rebelling against the behavior of the monks. That's my understanding of it.   Paul Grilley:   (12:28) Yeah, there was intellectual debate about I don't believe this, or believe that anymore, but I don't think that starts wars or revolutions. I think what starts wars and revolutions, political, and religious is people get fed up with the behavior of the people who run things. To me, it's cliché, the idealistic communist, socialist gorilla over throws the dictator, and becomes a dictator. How does that happen, over and over and over again? Idealistic guy throws over that dictator and he becomes a dictator.   Tahnee:   (13:06) Yeah.   Paul Grilley:   (13:06) I just think you go, okay, it's written large across history, and I think if it's written large across history it's got to be something innate in human nature, and these are not isolated historical events, politically, and religiously, they are the pattern, and so I think anything that repeats itself over and over, east, west, north, south, whatever it's got to be something rooted in human nature, and something rooted in we just fall into these hierarchical positions.   Paul Grilley:   (13:34) I've wandered a long way from your question, but if you ask me, did I see then at Yoga Works, seeds like this, it's hard for me to point to my colleagues. A lot of whom I respect, and didn't go that way and say, "Oh, yeah, it was all there," I just think I could answer that question by more honestly that I think those seeds are in all of us, and I think that you have to be conscious in your effort, and repetitive in your effort not to fall into this unhealthy hierarchical relationship, because I have seen it, and it's been projected onto me, the students themselves start to assume this hierarchical relationship, and pretty soon you're going, "How did we get here, I didn't start out with this idea." I'm not trying to point the finger at anyone at Yoga Works, those were very dedicated yoga people.   Paul Grilley:   (14:36) I think it's a human problem. I think that's why it's a good thing, it's not my thing, but I think it's a good thing that when you go to business school they teach you the psychology and sociology of organisations. I was never exposed to that in school. I was not interested in large things I thought that had nothing to do with what I wanted to do in my life, I'm just a simple guy, I just want to exercise and do yoga, but it's not true, you can't interact with human beings without being in some type of sociological bond, some type of sociological group expectation, and even though I led a pretty simple life, it's not a corporate life, it's not a large thing that we've tried to create, and we haven't tried to create an empire. I'm allergic to that kind of thing.   Paul Grilley:   (15:25) Nonetheless, in our dealings with students, and others it's like there's got to be some type of formation. There's got to be some type of usually not consciously expressed hierarchical this is how we do things. I think it's inevitable. I think that you need a leader. I think that you need people who are charismatic, and good speakers to lead classes, but I think somehow they themselves must submit to holding themselves in check to others. I think that it's always been like this, and I think it'll always be like this.   Paul Grilley:   (16:03) I think if there are yoga teachers out there listening I would just put the bug in your ear that whether you have egomaniacal desires, or not, whether you want to form an empire or not, these pressures exist around you, and within you, and it might be a petty little kingdom that you develop, or it might be a big thing, but either way it's just be aware that there are, it seems to me, it is my honest opinion that there are forces in human nature, and in human society that are constantly trying to push us towards these dysfunctional hierarchical organisations.   Tahnee:   (16:43) Is that not the purpose of yoga though to become aware of that?.   Paul Grilley:   (16:48) I think so. I mean, to me, the purpose of yoga is trying to uncover all kinds of unconscious things within you, that to me is what yoga is. Is you're trying to become aware of what are called the vrittis in your chitta, and some of them are very obvious, and some of them are very, very deep. Yeah. I think that you're trying to become aware of these things. It's just that you don't read about these issues in the ancient books. If you're trying to get help in keeping yoga a healthy male, female, teacher, student, group class paradigm, you're not going to get any help from Patanjali. You know? You're not going to get any help from the Hatha Yoga Pradipika.   Paul Grilley:   (17:33) None of that is discussed in those textbooks. It's like, you need to sort of look around, and take advantage of the human struggle, and the modern scientific objective study of human organisations, and take it in. I think it's something that needs to be added to the modern yoga curriculum, and it's inevitable, the whole me too thing, as it filters into the yoga world, look, you don't read anything about me too in the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. None of this stuff is discussed. Those are just manuals of practice of introspection, but in the modern era when you got essentially we're recasting yoga as a group activity, with groups comes these issues, and there was no discussion of how to form a group in the ancient yoga books.   Tahnee:   (18:32) Was yoga practiced in groups, do you think, or more individually?   Paul Grilley:   (18:37) I think that yoga's always had a huge varied background. I think you could answer yes, and you could answer no to anything that you throw up. I don't think there's evidence from what I'm aware of. I don't think there's evidence that it's like it is today, that everybody come one, come all, young, old, male, female, suited for it, not suited for it, let's just all get together, and sweat in a room together. I do not think that's how it used to be done.   Tahnee:   (19:13) Sort of unchartered territories in a lot of ways.   Paul Grilley:   (19:17) That's kind of the heart of this rant, is that just we need to, all of us need to be aware of that there are pressures to form hierarchy, there's an authoritarian streak in human beings, and I think it's a good thing, because that's how things get done. I think people who create new things, they tell people what to do, so there's a voice guiding things, but like everything in life, that's a good thing, and that can become an abusive antiquated out worn structure in relationship.   Tahnee:   (19:54) Wow. Your someone who has created a new thing, and I know that it's also an old thing, I'm speaking to Yin Yoga, and I started teaching in 2012, and I would have one class a week on the schedule of about 40 classes, and it would have maybe 10 to 20 people in it on average. I see now that there was studios dedicated to Yin Yoga, there are hundreds of thousands of people around the world attending classes every day, it was a very short period of time, it's had exponential growth, what drove you to first of all create it and then can you try to explain for us why you think it's become so popular.   Paul Grilley:   (20:45) I created it, that's a hard word, created-   Tahnee:   (20:49) I know. Sorry.   Paul Grilley:   (20:53) I was still pursuing as late as 1998, '99, 2000, no, that's not true, I'm 10 years off, I was still pursuing trying to be a flexible superstar yogi in the late '80s, and I came across Paulie Zink, and his work, I saw him do an interview show on a local access television thing, just a very low budget curtain against the wall interview, and he was being interviewed as a martial arts champion, and Paulie I think was two or three times world champion in martial arts, I can't member exactly what setting, and he was being interviewed as a martial arts champion, but he was constantly deflecting the interviewer into well it's my yoga that prepares me to do this, it's my yoga that keeps me flexible.   Paul Grilley:   (21:46) He would take these softball questions about martial arts, and doing things, and he would take them and turn them into yoga, and I go, well, this is interesting, here's this martial arts guy talking about yoga, and then he demonstrated his yoga, and I thought, wow, he's incredibly facile, he's incredibly flexible, and I would say right now he has great skill and ability. I didn't have those conceptions back then. I go, wow, not only is he a pretty cool guy the way he talks, but he's incredibly facile, and then he described his yoga, which was Yin Yoga, it was minutes at a time, postures on the floor, and I thought, oh, I've been doing yoga for about 11, 12 years now, or I guess maybe it is nine or 10 years, anyway, but every form of yoga that I had done I would see now as, oh, that's a form of Yang Yoga, it's weightlifting, but it's a different routine, and this is weightlifting, but that's a different thing, here's something that's not even weightlifting, here's something that's stretching.   Paul Grilley:   (22:46) That was the comparison in my mind, I thought, oh, this is why even 10 years into my practice there are things that I can't do, and so I thought maybe this is the magic thing, this is the magic thing I've been missing is do it slow, do it relaxed, do it for minutes at a time. That's what got me started was just the simple pursuit of range of motion. After a year or two things start to get a little hazy as you look back, I started to realise, no, this was not going to make me a superstar, either. I was not going to be able to put my butt on my head, balanced on my elbows, this is not going to happen, but the practice itself felt so good that I was okay, I was disappointed, I thought this was my last hurrah, I've been at it since I'm 20, now I'm almost 30, and it's like I ain't going to be a poster boy for this practice.   Paul Grilley:   (23:45) There was disappointment that what my fantasy was of what a yogi, a dedicated yogi could achieve was a fantasy, but the satisfaction was I discovered a practice that really made me feel good, so I slowly, begrudgingly let go of my ambitions to be a star, but I kept and held onto a practice that I really enjoyed doing. That's how I came to it. I came to it with one ambition to become flexible, then actually just really enjoyed the practice and said, this feels great.   Tahnee:   (24:25) Sometimes it does feel great, so do you think that alone is why it's become so big around the world, or do you think it's more to do with... I always kind of call it the opposite side of the practice, so that counter to all of the activity of in our daily lives, is that more, do you think the core of why it's become so popular?   Paul Grilley:   (24:48) You've said two things, and I agree with them both. I think that it feels good to do the practice. That's it. It feels good to do the practice. I don't think its intellectual arguments, or theoretical arguments or anything have won the day, I spent 15 years doing that. I don't think it won the day, I think what won the day is people did it, and they liked it, and it fel good, and they kept doing it.   Paul Grilley:   (25:13) I think the other part of your question is do you think it's just because it's the Yin to the Yang practice, and I think that's true, too, because I believe, I can't prove this, but I believe that if we didn't have such a strong exercise culture today, that it wasn't culturally acceptable all over the world to spend time exercising, very vigorously, it wasn't like that a 100 years ago, if that wasn't such a big thing in our culture, I don't think Yin Yoga would be as popular today.   Paul Grilley:   (25:46) I just think that Yang is going to be the popular form of yoga for the foreseeable future, and I think because we live in cities, and urban environments that's probably the way it should be, and that's why it's that way now. But, that culture is so big, and as that culture ages, that Yin Yoga is just going to come up. I think it'll always be maybe numerically the weak sister to Yang, but I think at some point they're going to get closer in popularity, and I just think it is natural that if you have a strong vigorous healthy practice that you need to purify your body, and to calm your mind, if you have a strong Yang practice, then you're going to want to compliment it with a Yin practice.   Paul Grilley:   (26:32) I think it makes sense that the Yang sort of came first and led the way in the western world, modern incarnation of yoga, I think it makes sense that Yang came up that way, because we're in a stressed out sedentary urban culture, and you need Yang Yoga to counteract the stresses and demands of that culture. But, now that's becoming established, I think that Yin Yoga now is going to be more popular, and that's why it gains popularity so quickly.   Paul Grilley:   (27:05) To round this up, I think for both reasons, there's a lot of Yang, it's very well established, you can get it anywhere, you can get it in many forms, not just yoga, but in all forms of exercise, and now because that is well established doing Yin really makes you feel good, and there's a big contrast between the two, so I think that in and of itself is a great practice, and as a counter balance to Yang it's value is even seen more immediately effective for people.   Tahnee:   (27:33) I think that's something that maybe is misunderstood in the general population around, it's kind of this idea of Yin or Yang over the time that I hear people talk about and I don't think people appreciate how much you and Suzee emphasize that yes you do still need to do the Yang practice and you still need a form of activity, and even your teacher Doctor Motoyama who was like a Shinto priest was like you've got look after your physical body right, is that something you guys have always been myth busting with people?   Paul Grilley:   (28:07) Say that again?   Tahnee:   (28:08) Do you feel like that's kind of a myth that you guys have to bust around it's not Yin or Yang?   Paul Grilley:   (28:15) No. I was unaware that was an issue, because that's why we chose the word Yin Yoga, because to us it's like Yin Yoga, that's only half the equation. What do you mean Yin? Where's the Yang part? I mean, that's one of the reasons why we chose that as a name for this style was it's half of the equation people. That's why we didn't call it Taoist Yoga. In the very, very early years I called it Taoist Yoga, because that's what Paulie Zink called his yoga, but Paulie Zink has whole Yang side to his yoga, and so when I went out there just doing Yin Yoga, which was my specialty, I thought it's really not accurate to call it Taoist because it doesn't have both elements in it.   Paul Grilley:   (29:00) Yeah. I'm a little surprised that people would think it would be one or the other, I mean, the very name of it implies its Yin, it's half, it's a part of the equation of mental and physical health, where is the Yang. Yeah, I'm a little surprised that people might think it's one or the other. What I would say to those people is different people have different needs of how much Yin to how much Yang and it maybe that you're a type I want to have dominantly Yin in my life, and a little bit of Yang, but someone else is going to tilt that scale exactly the opposite way, they need to dominate Yang exercise regime, whether that's yoga or something else, and a modest amount of Yin, and I think that changes by personality, and I think it also changes as you age over time. Yeah, I'm a little surprised that anybody would argue that it's Yin or Yang, I think that's just kind of weird to me.   Tahnee:   (29:56) We hear some interesting things in yoga. That brings me to this idea of function, which I think is obviously a foundation or principle of your and Suzee's teachings, it's something that I think we really, again, I guess talking really broadly as humans, but we're often looking for that one size fits all approach, that thing like you're saying that's going to turn you into that yoga superstar, or we have herb business, you know that herb that's going to make me healthiest person in the world, or enlighten me, or whatever people's reasons are for coming to certain things, and I certainly have in my practice have realised that it's so different from day to day, and moment to moment, and what I need, and there's this kind of introspection and cultivation of awareness that is required, and we call it sovereignty, the ability to kind of self govern, and I feel like Yin is quite unique, it was certainly for me it was one of the portals into which I was able to cultivate some of that awareness, I suppose. Are you able to.. I don't know if you agree with that statement, and I'm curious as to whether you have any rationale, I have some ideas as to what I think it might be, but I'm curious to hear your take on why Yin would be so uniquely geared towards cultivating states of awareness?   Paul Grilley:   (31:22) Because I think it's so slow, and so ecstatic, and so sedentary. I think essentially you're doing a postured meditation five minutes at a time. Get in this pose, stay for five minutes, get in that pose, stay for five minutes, and I think that a lot of things pass through your mind, a lot of sensations come and go in five minutes time. I think it's tailor made for introspection. Again, that doesn't mean it's superior to Yang Yoga, but Yang Yoga you've got a lot of stuff going on, man, you're breathing, you're moving, you're counting your breaths, you're doing a vinyasa in between, you hit it, you hold, you're onto the next thing.   Paul Grilley:   (32:00) That sort of practice is let's build up to a big savasana at the end. But, Yin is let's feel what we're feeling right now, for five minutes, don't look away. Don't look away. It's right here, right now. I think that's why Yin develops that, because you literally have the time, you literally can notice change, I think that's the biggest thing. One of the techniques I'm sure Tahnee you've been through it, you know we've been together several times is one of the biggest things you can do to a naïve person is have them do a spinal twist lying on the ground, have them do a simple spinal twist, I don't care what it is, one leg, two legs, do a spinal twist for 30 seconds, each side.   Paul Grilley:   (32:42) Now, how do you feel? Now, do a spinal twist for five minutes, each side. It's a world of difference, and you can feel your bod likey let go, and then 90 seconds later, let go again, and then maybe go through three of those cycles, and then when you've held that spinal twist for five minutes, and I'm repeating this for your listeners that you might try this, coming out of a five minute spinal twist no matter how simple it's actually mildly distressing. It's like, oh, my god, I think I hurt myself.   Paul Grilley:   (33:17) Then, you unwind on your back, and you have this, am I hurt? Did I just hurt myself? And it's like, no, I'm okay, and then you sort of have these layers of progression of coming back to normal. Then, you go, okay, I think I'm all right, I think I can do the other side now without injuring the disc in my back. I think that Yin Yoga is tailor made for introspection, because you're still enough, you're not efforting, you're still enough, you're still long enough, that's put it that way, you're still long enough to feel these progressive changes.   Paul Grilley:   (33:53) I think once you get that, once you get this like, wow, that just changed, it's totally different than how it was two minutes ago, I think that's what hooks you. I think that's, at least that's what hooked me, and my feedback with people over the years that's what gets you, it's like, I feel the change, not just a little bit of change, but maybe several plateaus of change, and it just naturally draws you in. What is changing? Is it muscle relaxation that I was hanging on to? No, I think I'm muscular relaxed. Was it as we know now, it could be fascial or that kind of thing, but I think that three to five minute hold of even a simple posture takes you through progressive change.   Paul Grilley:   (34:35) I think that sort of draws you in, and all of a sudden your yoga doesn't become a rote,gokay do this, now do this, it becomes like, oh, wow, that's really tight today, oh, God, yesterday was so easy, what's going on? Now, I feel it up in my upper back, and yesterday it was my lower back, and all these things just come up and all of a sudden you're introspecting, because every day is different, and every five minute pose is different. I think it's without much needed guidance from the teacher, you sort of just get drawn into what's going on. I think that's the great strength of Yin Yoga is that it's sort of a built in doorway to physical and then mental emotional introspection.   Tahnee:   (35:24) I call it the gateway drug to meditation.   Paul Grilley:   (35:28) I agree. I think it's true, because I've seen it. I already had a meditation practice before I started Yin Yoga, but I've seen it over and over again people who didn't have much of an interest in meditation, or it was, "Yeah, I do it because you're supposed to." Then, over time the Yin Yoga leads them into an interest in pranayama, and other subtle practices.   Tahnee:   (35:55) What about Qi then? I know that you've moved away from this idea of Taoist, but you're still heavily influenced, in my opinion, anyway, by a lot of the Chinese Medicine kind of Taoist ideas, even to the point where instead of saying prana you guys use the word Qi in your teachings. Where is this idea of Qi? What is Qi? If I am a yogi and and I'm starting to practice Yang or Yin Yoga, what am I feeling when I've got all these sort of changes that are beyond the physiology, can explain that for us.   Paul Grilley:   (36:32) That's a hard one, but I think it's a key element. I think it divides the personal beliefs of the practitioner, and the limits of modern science, and I think you're at the bleeding edge there of is Qi just a superstition? Because there is not a physicist on the planet who's trained to believe that there's Qi. I don't think doctors, my understanding of it is they're trained to believe in Qi. That's a futuristic superstition.   Paul Grilley:   (37:08) It's like when you start talking about Qi you have to ask yourself, are you flying in the face of all your modern university education? Is it something you believe? Have you adopted that language simply because you're parroting what came out of the tradition that you learn from? I think it's an important thing to sort of introspect about, and I'm sure that's why you formed the question. I believe that there is forces, we can call it one force, you can call it Qi, but there are several forms of it. I believe it is a force unrecognized by modern medicine, and modern physics, and I believe it's an intelligent force that creates human form, and maintains it.   Paul Grilley:   (37:47) It's too deep a philosophical thing to go too much into it other than to say, mechanical forces cannot account for form, they cannot account for arms, and eyes, and teeth, and legs, it can't have account for zebras, giraffes, and hummingbirds, and it cannot account for the human form. There's an intelligent guiding force, or forces, or energies in the body that western medicine does not yet recognise. Now, I think independent medical practitioners, independent human beings who outside of their medical education have come to believe there is such a thing as a healing life force in the body.   Paul Grilley:   (38:27) I'm not denying that there are healers, genuine physicians, and nurses, and people who believe in a healing force, but they don't get it at medical school. What they get at medical school is biochemical theory, which is not a healing theory, it's a mechanical structural theory. I don't want to slander the healers, and the health givers out there by saying they don't believe in Qi, because it wasn't in their medical curriculum, I'm just saying it's not an accepted force, it's like, it's not electricity, it's not magnetism, it's not the strong, or the weak nuclear force, and it's not gravity.   Paul Grilley:   (39:08) What is it? I believe that Qi, you can feel it in your body, you can feel it move, and that the argument that what you're feeling is blood move, or nerve change, I believe is inadequate to the description that I'm not an expert in physiology, but I know enough that some of what, oh, that's the blood you're feeling traveling from your head to your back, or that's a nerve thing, and I go, "No, I know the pathways, I know what a nerve feels like, and the speed of propagation, and the sensation are not a nervous pathway, so not at nervous speeds of conduction, and the travel, they don't just have a sharp impulse or shock," so I there are things that I think would be boring, and technical to get into, but to my satisfaction the electrical nervous impulse, or blood, quote on quote, movement does not adequately describe the full movement of Qi. There are experiments, for example that Doctor Motoyama, my teacher did that stretches this much, much further.   Paul Grilley:   (40:18) You can edit this out, if this goes too deep into what your interest is, but I put this to your students to consider. Doctor Motoyama found a way to measure the electrical potential of the meridians, objective measurement, repeatable measurements of how much energy, capacity is in your meridians, or how it conducts electricity. He found a way to measure that. Now, electricity is not Qi, but what he found was that the ability of a meridian to hold electrical energy, or the direction of electrical energy, or the speed of propagation of that electrical energy was changing all the time. He wondered why, but one of the things he did, after he's now established an ability to monitor the meridian energy let's say in your body, then what he did is he took a subject like you, and he put you in what's called a Faraday cage, which is concrete, copper and lead, it's a room in which no electric magnetic forces can enter, which it's called a shielded room.   Paul Grilley:   (41:26) So Tahnee, you'd be in there, and we'd be taking you through wires through your fingers and toes, we're taking measurements of your meridians, the electrical potential of your meridians, then we have a Qigong master outside of this shielded room, and not a queue from us, you don't know it, but a queue from us, the experimenter, he starts quote on quote, sending you his Qi. Now, if it's electrical, or it's magnetic it can't penetrate the room, and yet you can make a mark on the tape, tapes an old fashioned term now for scientific instruments, but in the old days when you had tape we could make a mark on the tape of when did the Qigong master start projecting his Qi at Tahnee in the room, and you don't know that he's projecting the Qi, there's a silent hand signal, he starts projecting his Qi, and we can monitor how your meridian energy changes and builds up as he projects his Qi.   Paul Grilley:   (42:26) One, we're proving that he can transmit Qi to you, and two it cannot be electrical or magnetic, because it wouldn't penetrate into the room that your sitting in, so that's incredibly important experiment. It's incredibly important to think, and it's worth repeating over and over, you're sitting in a room and we're measuring your bodies reaction to an energy that's being projected to you, and it cannot be electrical, and it cannot be magnetic. What is this energy? That to me is Qi, and Doctor Motoyama did several things to sort of discriminate. He wrote booklets, and published several studies about how whatever Qi is, it's not electrical or magnetic, but it influences the electricity and the magnetism in your body.   Tahnee:   (43:28) You say the purpose of yoga asana, also is to harmonise the flow of Qi in the body. Right?   Paul Grilley:   (43:38) Yes.   Tahnee:   (43:39) Irrespective of Yin or Yang... I guess we are speaking more to Yin in this interview, how is this happening, and again I know the answer to this question, but I'm curious to hear you explain it to our audience, where especially in yoga focusing in on these areas, so if you accept this idea of Qi that it stagnates, sort of what's happening in our practice that helps to liberate this Qi, and what.. What does harmonizing the Qi actually do for us?   Paul Grilley:   (44:11) The second part of your question is the easiest part, what does it do for you? The theory of acupuncture, and Ayurveda, and yoga is that it keeps you healthy, it's the difference between a cell that you're growing in your kidney, replacing a kidney cell, and that cell becoming a cancer cell. That's happening a billion cells, I think, every second in your body. Why not, we just get riddled with cancer? Why don't we grow eyeballs in our liver? How do cells know and do what they do? How do they integrate? All of that stuff that maintains form without disfunction is Qi, so that's the result of harmonising your Qi.   Paul Grilley:   (44:47) The first part of the question is what are we doing that's harmonising the flow of Qi? Well, this is highly speculative. I'll throw it out there to you. Qi in the body is stored and transmitted through the structure of the fluid in your body. The idea that the fluid in your body is like fluid in a glass of water is wrong, the fluid in your body is held in a structured shape, and it's more like a gel in your body. I believe the life process that these gel like threads or channels that penetrate all the tissues of your body, they get thicker, and denser, or they thin out, and become watery, depending on whether they're holding Qi, or releasing Qi.   Paul Grilley:   (45:43) The example I would use to you is that we wake up in the morning, just say you're healthy, you wake up in the morning, and you feel that you're rested, you feel that you are refreshed, we say that you're jelled up, you're more jelly, the Qi is now sort of organized, the fluid in your body, and you've got a lot of potential in you, but it's a little hard to move. First thing in the morning you feel rested and everything, but it's like, oh, God, I got to go out and run now? It's like, how about another cup of coffee.   Paul Grilley:   (46:15) It's kind of like the idea of getting started on whatever your exercise regime is, is slightly daunting, even though you're well rested it's like, well, because you feel what we would call jelled up, your kind of all potential, it's kind of like I'm like a candle, I'm all wax, and I don't have any liquid wax, or I don't have very much liquid wax, and for a candle to burn enough of it has to be liquid to be burned up off the wick, so you're up, you're jelled up, you're mostly candle solid wax, and you don't have very much liquid wax. Then, you go out and you start running, and what we're saying is the Qi now is slowly starting to relax and be released by the gel, the gel was holding that energy form.   Paul Grilley:   (47:02) When it releases that energy, it loses its form, it takes energy to hold that form, so you start that whole candle now that was stiff and hard in the beginning, that's all spread through your body, it's starting to loosen up, it's starting to become warm, and now about 20, 30, 40 minutes into our exercise routine you feel great. You're not exhausted yet, and your past the I'm so stiff, I'm so heavy, you're right in the sweet zone, much like I'm still rested, I'm not exhausted, and that goes on depending on whether you're 20, or 50, and what kind of shape that you're in, that goes on for a magic period of time, 20, 30, 40, 50 minutes, whatever it is.   Paul Grilley:   (47:44) Then, you start to get to the other end of the spectrum where it's like I'm getting worn out now, and you get to the end of your routine or the end of your day, your face is swollen, your hands are swollen, your feet are swollen, you're like, why? Because once that gel, and all the other parts, and tissues in areas of your body now goes to fluid, because it's releasing this energy, but as it releases it, it's melting, it's going into fluid, well, it's going to follow the laws of gravity, and it's going to go out to your fingers, and out to your toes, and sort of fall out of your organs, kind of thing.   Paul Grilley:   (48:22) That's why at the end of the day when you're exhausted your feet are heavy, your legs are heavy, your hands are swollen, your tired, and you have no energy. You've gone from I'm stiff, I'm sort of full of potential, I'm stiff, and all gelled up like a waxy candle, [crosstalk 00:48:41] balance of the wax is melting, but I have the reserve, and as it's melting its giving me energy, but then you reach to the point where most of it now has gone from wax to solution. There's no energy left in that. It's spent its energy to get to that soluble state.   Paul Grilley:   (49:00) Now, your sort of like, maybe you're really bendy, you're all hot and sweaty, maybe if we massaged you, you'd bend all over, but you don't got any Qi, it's like, oh, God, then you go through that cycle again. The next cycle is I rest, I eat, and some magic happens where I get gelled up again, and the Chinese tradition would say, you're building your Qi. You get all gelled up again, and you're ready for the next day, and that life is getting gelled up, holding energy, using that energy to think, and work, and breath, and walk, and talk. Now, you don't have any energy. Getting gelled up, and blah, blah, blah. That's the long introduction to how does Yin Yoga help harmonise the flow of Qi in your body? I believe that when you do sustained stresses on the fascia of your body, you're making it much, much more easy for your body to re-gel again, so think of, it's hard to have an exact analogy, but think of a wet paper straw, and think of it all kind of pinched and crushed down on itself, because it was stiff in the morning, but now it's all soggy, and wet, and collapsed.   Tahnee:   (50:23) You've met my toddler...   Paul Grilley:   (50:23) Now, you want to reinflate this straw, and stiffen it again. If you just lay down the Qi can do that, if you just lie down, we assume you're eating well, we assume you're getting good rest, the Qi will do that. The Qi will literally push that straw back open, stiffen it up a little bit, and now you're ready for the next day. I believe pretty literally there's more to it than this, but I think what Yin Yoga does is that it pulls the straws apart, they want to collapse, and pinch down on themselves, it pulls them apart to make it much, much easier for the Qi in your body to reinflate, refill, and get those straws back up to speed, so you're relieving the Qi of having to physically unfold, and un-pinch the straw, you're doing it.   Paul Grilley:   (51:29) By you using some cleaver mechanical vectors you're speeding along a process that might be as efficient, particularly if you're injured, or you're unbalanced in your physical activity, which most of us are. I believe that's literally what Yin Yoga is doing. That it is speeding up, it is making it easier for your tissues to reinflate and become gel like again, and hold the Qi.   Tahnee:   (52:01) Is Yang Yoga doing that to any degree in your opinion is it purely spending Qi?   Paul Grilley:   (52:11) But, you don't do Yang Yoga all day, and when you're done you can recover, and I think what Yang Yoga might do better than Yin Yoga is you need to squeeze, and twist the straw, and you need that because toxins, and free radicals, and ions, and waste products they kind of get stuck into the straw, and what Yang Yoga does very well is lets rhythmically contract and pull, and contract and pull, and force blood, and fluid with the rhythm of your heart through this tissue that it literally cleanses and purifies those tissues, which may be Yin Yoga by itself wouldn't do. We don't have subtle enough experiments yet to decide that, but my subjective experience of that is that Yang Yoga sort of rinses you out, it's kind of like you need to, the wash rag, I notice that not every culture has wash rags, but-   Paul Grilley:   (53:11) If you had a wash rag, every once in a while you have to completely soap it up and rinse it out two or three times, that's called cleaning the rag, and I think that's what Yang Yoga does very, very well. Is that it may be in a way better than Yin Yoga. At least for certain tissues of the body. It's like you need to flood under pressure these tissues, and pulse, and alternate to literally shake free and pull out of you the inevitable build up of toxins, and waste products that are the result of living. I think that you need that rhythmicity, I think you need that effort, I think if you don't raise your blood pressure on a regular basis, you're just asking for your arteries to deteriorate.   Paul Grilley:   (53:55) I think by raising the blood pressure, and relaxing the blood pressure, and rhythmic cycles throughout the weeks and the months, but it keeps your vascular system incredibly healthy. I think, again, its complimentary thing. I think that Yang Yoga is better at moving fluid into and out of the tissues, get new nutrients in, get waste products out. I think Yang Yoga is better at that than Yin Yoga. But, I think Yin Yoga is better at relaxing, and reinflating, and allowing this build up of necessary energy that manifests itself biochemically, electromagnetically later, so it's the inhale, it's the exhale.   Paul Grilley:   (54:38) Yin to me is mentally it's sort of like the exhale, but I think physically I think Yin is the inhale. Mentally, it's the relax, but physically it's just rejuvenate, let's not kill ourselves anymore, let's just massage ourselves back into shape. I think Yang Yoga is the opposite. I think mentally Yang Yoga is this inhale, and driving, but physically it is the let's wash these tissues clean. I think there's a great balance there in the Yin and Yang effects on the fluid in your body.   Tahnee:   (55:15) I think that's a beautiful analogy for me, because that's exactly how I experience it subjetively as well. I'm curious though because we haven't really ever touched on what your really famous for, which is your bones, and your sort of thoughts of the human anatomy, which is kind of, I mean, I think slowly sort of penetrating, I still hear some interesting things in yoga classes. We haven't really, I think a lot of people come to yoga with this idea that they're going to improve their range of motion, they're going to get fit, and flexible, and all of these things, which kind of sound like really good ideas from the outside, but my experience in my own practice and working with many people, students, now, is that actually extreme range of motion is not really that beneficial for many people, like Cirque du Soleil performers, perhaps with the exception.   Tahnee:   (56:13) That most of us aren't actually designed to do extreme poses, but what we see in a lot of the kind of more modern yoga texts is not enstirely accurately representing what yoga asana's have been designed to do, which is along the lines of what we discussed already, harmonizing the Qi, for the practices of meditation, and all these things, so I think when we're looking at what people can expect from yoga, and from learning with Paul Grilley, we're seeing it's a lot to do with learning our own personal boundaries, but it comes to this understanding of this almost intellectual experience, I suppose of understanding mentally what's going on, why I can achieve certain poses, I think that relaxes the mind in a certain way, and allows Qi to really harmonise. Certainly that was my experience. So you've taught in LA, you've taught in Yoga Works, you've met Paulie Zink, at what point did anatomy come in? You said you studied anatomy really early, which I didn't realise, at community college you were saying. So how did you come to realise that our bones are different? and first of all it seems bleedingly obvious when you say it out loud, but why is this idea not more readily accepted yoga in your opinion, Paul Grilley?   Paul Grilley:   (57:45) So are you asking me when I came to it?   Tahnee:   (57:48) I had like three questions in that. I'm curious as to you, how you came to recognise that we all have different bones, what that meant for you as a practitioner, and then what that means for us as practitioners, how you kind of feel that it's relevant to a yoga practice, now? Why? I'm super curious as to why it's not part of the marketing of yoga, I guess. It's like yoga is really sold on this idea of, hey, look on Instagram, look how great everything is, come and learn to stick your leg over your head. It's almost like lure them in and then tell them actually that;s not going to happen.   Paul Grilley:   (58:39) To me, the anatomical interpretation of yoga was with me from the beginning, because that was my study, and that was my interest. The bones, particular, I didn't come across that until about 1996, or something like that, '97. Somewhere in there, somewhere in 1996, '97, so I've been at it 18 years. Maybe? The story is I was at a laboratory, that was a dissection laboratory, there really wasn't a lot of dissection was done there, it was a nursing program at the college in Ashland.   Paul Grilley:   (59:22) I was actually there with a friend who was helping the professor clean his office, the professor of anatomy, who ran the nursing anatomy, biology section of the college there was retiring, and my friend was helping him in his office, and so I just sort of tagged along, there wasn't much for me to do as they were emptying textbooks, and putting them in boxes, and stuff, so I'm sort of wandering through this college laboratory, and I see some boxes, because all the shelves and cupboards were open to see what was the professors, and what was the schools, well, one of these boxes had three femur bones in it. I go, "Wow, this is really cool," so I take these three femur bones out, and I put them on the table.   Paul Grilley:   (01:00:04) You got to remember I'm already 40, 38, and I've got a strong anatomical background, and training, and reading, and I see these three femur bones on the table, and they're all completely different, they couldn't be more different, they're even different color, for one reason one of the bones was black, I don't know what was in this guy's diet, but I just remember like, wow, that's weird, but anyway three femur bones, and they were completely different in language I know now, tortion, and things like that, I go, whaaaaaat? Why didn't no one ever tell me about this?   Paul Grilley:   (01:00:46) I literally went home thinking, well, maybe they were in that box, because there three very special femurs, and they were displayed as, look how weird some people are, so I literally got on the internet, which was pretty new in 1996, '97, '98, I found a store that was in the Berkeley, California area right in the bay area of San Francisco that sold human bones. It was a nature store, mostly they sold snakes, and agates, and bird skeletons, but they had a stock of human skeleton, old bones.   Paul Grilley:   (01:01:24) I went down there, and I asked the guy, "Can I see your box of femur bones," because I had seen femur bones before, and he had like two boxes, and they're just a collection of bones. There must have been I don't know 40 at least femur bones, or at least 20 specimens all together, but they were not associated with what femur bone went with what femur bones, just a box of femur bones, and I just laid them out in his store, I had them all over the table, because I wasn't really sure what I was looking for, but then I just stared, and stared, and I go, oh, wait a minute, and I started to see the differences in the bones, and I think I bought, I still have them, six, maybe eight femur bones.   Paul Grilley:   (01:02:03) I took them back home, and took pictures of them, and I said, "What is the deal with these bones? What does this mean?" It became clear to me by manipulating a skeleton, I had plastic skeletons, too, I thought, oh, the bones hit, and if the bones hit, and that's what limits the range of motion, then different shape bones will have different ranges of motion. That was an epiphany for me. They're like, different shape bones will have different ranges of motion. Different shaped bones will have different ranges of motion, because every reasonable range of motion eventually the bone hits the bone it's pivoting against.   Paul Grilley:   (01:02:41) That was the ah-ha, so now I have this box of femur bones, six of them, took pictures of them, and I started to lecture two of them, like look how different these bones are. Then, eventually over time I grew that collection, and I got some scapula bones, and some humorous bones, it was the femur bone that was the big breakthrough. It was the femur bone that was like sort of my guiding star. It was a lucky break to do that, because so much of yoga is trying to move your femur in a certain way, to do the splits, or to do the lotus posture. Then, later I extrapolated that to the other bones of the body, but the femur bone was the thing that's sort of my golden key that pulled me in, and it was because I saw that box of bones by accident in that laboratory.   Tahnee:   (01:03:31) Amazing. It's not just even the extreme shapes though, it's basic beginner poses, like warriors and vīrabhadrāsana shapes, lunges. I had a woman write to me the other day saying, "I can't keep my hips square in downward facing dog, and when they ask me to lift my leg to the sky," and I thought oh well you know you probably can't extend that far so you hit external rotation and... and she's like "oh no, no, no what's happening, I'm just not flexible enough" I think a lot of us studying Yin with you, but this idea is not unique to Yin Yoga, it extends out to all kinds of styles of asana and to other movement practices, whether you're at the gym trying to do a squat. I remember my first training with you, you said to me, "you should not do deep squats young lady, under load because you've got long femur bones," and I remember going, what? Because my knees always hurt. when I did that. Leverage right?   Tahnee:   (01:04:37) It kind of sometimes frustrates me that this is only taught in a Yin capacity, and even when I've taught on 200 hundred hours trainings I sort of teach it, and then I see the students still not really getting it across the board, because I'm usually just teaching the Yin componant. Yeah. I'm just curious to, I guess in your practice if you're not being exposed to anatomy, and even a lot of yoga teachers are not studying anatomy, do you think yoga teachers the need to study anatomy to be effective Hatha Yoga teachers, or do you feel like we can kind of skip around that, and trust that students aren't going to injure themselves, because I see a lot of injuries, repetitive stain injuries from people trying to push themselves into the shapes they can't do? I'm just curious as to your thoughts...   Paul Grilley:   (01:05:24) I think that you can be a very good yoga teacher, and really not know anatomy very much, but as soon as you the yoga teacher or the students are pursuing extraordinary ranges of motion, then there's going to be a tragedy. I know a lot of people, colleagues, and friends of mine, they don't know very much anatomy, but they don't push people. How they teach is they let people find their way, and then when you look at the other side of the spectrum where there are teachers like they've been trained to tell you exactly how wide your feet should be, or the angle of your back foot, in vīrabhadrāsanayour and for them, they're totally mistaken, that student is never going to do the thing that you're asking them to do, but fortunately the postures they're teaching is that students probably aren't going to get hurt, either.   Paul Grilley:   (01:06:22) A student might get frustrated not being able to keep their hips square raising their leg in downward dog, but they're not going to get hurt. A student might get frustrated because I can't turn my pelvis over my front leg, and keep my back foot on the ground. They might get frustrated doing that, but they're not going to get hurt. You need to have a volatile situation of the teacher doesn't know anatomy and the limitations of the skeleton, and either they're teaching a style, or they have a student, students, who are trying to do these extraordinary ranges of motion.   Paul Grilley:   (01:07:04) I think that's why you're going to have repetitive and injuries, and overstrain is in those circumstances where the student has a real ambition to get better, and so I think a teacher, if a teacher teaches a course where I'm not pushing you to do the splits, maybe you'll never do the splits, I have many friends, and many colleagues who are marvelous inspiring, charismatic yoga teachers, and they're not killing people in their classes, and they don't know much anatomy. But, either by luck or by training, or whatever, they also understand that you can't push everyone into all these different poses.   Paul Grilley:   (01:07:48) Some people can do them, some people can't. They don't know why, they just know that the experience has taught me it doesn't work. Yeah. I'd like to say that everyone should take my anatomy course, but I think the reality is that's not feasible, and the reality is that you can be a very good yoga teacher, and as long as you are the student that's not trying to pursue aggressively an extraordinary range of motion, you're not going to get hurt. You might get frustrated, but it ain't the worst thing in the world.   Tahnee:   (01:08:23) I guess that's the kind of Yin and Yang of experience, because a lot of us when we begin teaching yoga we teach from our own experience, expecting everyone else to have this unique experience, which obviously doesn't work, and then as we get older we start to, even if you don't have a concept on why, we start to realise well a lot of these things actually don't work in my body but my student can do it from the first day they come to class. So maybe I'm just going to hang out in the middle here, I think I see that happen a lot as people mature in the practice.   Tahnee:   (01:09:02) I was going to ask you, it's such an interesting time, this is kind of my last question, with the way yoga's being taught now, it's this 200 hour go and get it... I guess this came up from a question I was asked recently with someone, "I've done my 200 hour like I don't think I need to do any further training," and I was kind of like triggered and was like, "what are you talking about?" But, there's this idea that we receive everything we need to know in a 200 hour yoga practice

Mason and Tahnee come together on the podcast today, to take a dive deep into the wonders of Qi, the second Treasure in the Taoist system. In the West most of us are familiar with the concept of Qi being energy, however the Taoists understood Qi in a more expansive context. Today we're excited to explore the philosophy and application of the Qi Treasure and to introduce our SuperFeast family to our new baby - The QI blend! Tune in to get the full download and learn how these beautiful Qi herbs can help you activate your potential and feel truly vibrant.    Tahnee and Mason explore: Classical Chinese Medicine vs modern acupuncture application and diagnoses. Qi as a force present in all things, tonic herbs included. Dis-ease as a manifestation of blocked/stagnant Qi - "the only time we get ill is when our Qi is blocked" - Tahnee Inherited physical, emotional and mental patterns as factors that can interfere with an individual's free flow of Qi. Personal practice and Qi cultivation. Constitutional typing and Five Element Theory. The new SuperFeast QI blend. The relationship between Qi and Blood. The Taoist concept of humans being the bridge between heaven and earth. The Three Treasures; Jing, Qi and Shen. Qi as a subtle but transformational force. The self healing capacity of the body. When and how to use the QI blend. Wei Qi and external environmental pathogens.   Who are Mason Taylor and Tahnee McCrossin? Mason Taylor: Mason’s energy and intent for a long and happy life is infectious. A health educator at heart, he continues to pioneer the way for potent health and a robust personal practice. An avid sharer, connector, inspirer and philosophiser, Mason wakes up with a smile on his face, knowing that tonic herbs are changing lives. Mason is also the SuperFeast founder, daddy to Aiya and partner to Tahnee (General Manager at SuperFeast). Tahnee McCrossin: Tahnee is a self proclaimed nerd, with a love of the human body, it’s language and its stories. A cup of tonic tea and a human interaction with Tahnee is a gift! A beautiful Yin Yoga teacher and Chi Ne Tsang practitioner, Tahnee loves going head first into the realms of tradition, yogic philosophy, the organ systems, herbalism and hard-hitting research. Tahnee is the General Manager at SuperFeast, mumma to reishi-baby Aiya and partner to Mason (founder of SuperFeast).   Resources: Yi Jing - The Book Of Changes  Rhonda Chang Digesting The Universe Book  Karma and Reincarnation - Dr Motoyama Book  The Power Of The Five Elements - Charles Moss Book Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast? A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher :)! Plus  we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here: Mason:       (00:01) Hello, lovely people. I'm here with the lovely Tahns.   Tahnee:       (00:04) Hi.   Mason:      (00:04) So we wanted to tackle one together on this beautiful Saturday morning. We're in the podcast room. We've had torrential rain overnight, so the Qi of the land is absolutely pumping. It's conductive out there. And we thought it'd be a really good, beautiful time to chat to you guys about the concept of Qi. Obviously we've got a little bit of an understanding in the West of what's Qi? Qi is energy, everything's Qi. And we wanted to go a little deeper into the nuance. We're going to talk about, Tahns is definitely going to be going in through everything that she's studied with yoga, Taoism, anatomy and all her, everything else, Tahns will go into it. Being an abdominal masseuse, being a Yin yoga teacher.   Mason:    (00:47) Tahns works with Qi a lot, and is developing a really nice understanding of this huge concept. And so we're going to be looking at what Qi is in the body. Going to be looking at how many different layers and variations there are. But also then we're going to be looking widely in the body, in the three treasure system of Taoism. That's a bit more of a macro view of what Qi is in the body. We're going to be looking at what it is, how to cultivate it, in that context. How Qi herbs work in the body, because one thing I think you guys, you should be understanding by now is that Taoism is appropriate for the lifestyle. Yes, We're talking about there's Taoist's, hermits in the mountains, just going on doing nothing but Qigong all day, living off one grain of rice. And then the rest is tonic herbs and spring water and constantly meditating.   Mason:    (01:39) But the concept of Taoism, they can cross over to a mother of four, simply being able to manage her health and her family's health through some very basic principles. So Qi can get incredibly complex when you go into all the different ways that it can be deficient and rebel in the body and so on and so forth. And so there's that clinical understanding of Qi, we can get a little into that, and how it's represented. But then there's a very accessible, I guess, conversation around Qi that we want to be having at the same time. So no matter how much time you have or interests you have, you're going to be able to get a dialogue.   Tahnee:    (02:23) Yeah, hopefully we keep it in the accessible realm today.   Mason:    (02:27) Well I like getting inaccessible as well because it's interesting and I think it's nice as well just to have that context for everyone to reaslise, you don't have to remember all this. And at any point that it gets, if you're dealing with something heavy internally at any point it gets too much and you reaslise you can't retain it, there are practitioners, and we like teaching you how to find particular practitioners. I'm down the rabbit hole when it comes to acupuncture and that. I'm down the rabbit hole of Rhonda Chang stuff and finding a practitioner that it's actually ... I think it's getting more and more difficult to find an acupuncturist that's actually practicing what Rhonda calls Yi, actual medicine that isn't layered over with Western, basically biochemistry or Western symptomology. But that's-   Tahnee:    (03:09) Or pathology. I'm studying Health Science degree, majoring in acupuncture at the moment actually. And it's interesting how little we really touch on the more shamanic aspects I suppose of Chineseedicine, which is definitely what I'm more interested in. And as someone who's received acupuncture for a long time, the people that are more versed in that are definitely, in my opinion, more effective practitioners for me. So yeah, it's interesting to think about that, and even in terms of when we're talking about herbalism, what we do at Superfeast, to taking a herb that has a lot of Qi, and has a lot of intention in terms of its cultivation, its processing, versus taking a lot of just things you can buy over the counter. I'm thinking about this little compressed tablets and all that stuff that are... You can take them and they can have an effect for sure. But I don't have the same connection to them that I do to the Taoist Tonic Herbs. It's a really interesting nuance for me and something I'm exploring.   Mason:    (04:18) But you can feel, in a clinical setting, it's more steely. It's more, and especially when it gets symptom, when it becomes pathology based, and symptom based, it's very much okay, this is the diagnosis and... Unfortunately it's going, it's starting with ... I think what we're talking about guys before we jump into Qi, and yes we're going to talk about the Qi blend, and Qi herbs and all these kinds of things. But these tangents are why we get the big bucks. So we're talking about if we start with, okay, you're having headaches, so we start with the symptom and then we go, hh, there's four different types of headache. There's going to be a hot headache and a cold headache, and a deficient headache.   Mason:    (05:10) And I'm not an expert on this, I'm just enjoying it because it's slightly anarchist from what the current Western Chinese Medicine looks like. It's not Yi, it's not medicine, it's not traditional medicine. It's washed into this Western approach where it's what's the symptom? Okay. Oh, you've got, gosh, I don't know, you're nauseous. Okay. Generally the pattern is it's going to be one of these four or five different types and we're going to find it and then we're going to treat you by hitting, via the dictation of what we know to use. If it's this type of nauseousness we're going to use these points and this herb.   Mason:    (05:52) So there's this tendency for a lot of practitioners these days to be, feel tickled by the fact that yeah, wow, I found someone had a headache and I had options in how to treat them because everyone's different. But it's still a textbook version of treatment. And just going through Rhonda's stuff. She's just, it's still not medicine. It's still not proper Chinese Medicine, based on the classics. The classics would be doing a 100% ... Well we don't know, you don't make any assumptions. We just go in and find what's going on within the Yin Yang-   Tahnee:    (06:27) Individual treatment.   Mason:    (06:28) Very, super individual. There's, what's going on within the Yin Yang, and what's going on within the five elements, the Wu Xing. And so in that sense, there's no rules ever. And it's hard, because it's hard to commodify that, it's hard to bring people into-   Tahnee:    (06:46) Well it's hard to systemise and teach that. And I think when you look at the history of anything that gets codified and systemified ... I don't know if that's a word. You lose a lot of the nuance that when you work one-on-one with someone and learn something in a oral tradition based on apprenticeship and just doing the thing with supervision. That was what really got lost in China when Mao Zedong came through and he really created these colleges, these places to go and study acupuncture. And you could do... Or Chinese Medicine I should say, not acupuncture, the whole scope of practice that they decided would be most useful for treating the masses of China. And that's what we've inherited. And there's people Rhonda doing amazing work, trying to keep the old tradition alive.   Tahnee:    (07:34) And I think that's certainly where you and I lean toward, in our interests. But I can sort of see how you have to learn, you have to go to school because there isn't really another way to do it. But then you have to take responsibility for actually going and immersing yourself in the art of healing, which is a really different thing. And it's the same with the Che Nei Tsang I do. I learned with Master Chia and I've had lots of friends go and study with him after receiving treatment from me. And they're Oh my God, when I got there it was totally different to what you do. And it's yeah, because I'm bringing my whole life of experience, all the things I've done, all the different trainings I've taken.   Tahnee:    (08:16) When I work one-on-one with someone I'm bringing that plus my own Qi and my own Je ne sais quoi, every individual has their own special gifts. So I think you can't ever copy someone else, but you can definitely learn from other people. And I think as long as we remember that these things are both a science and an art, then we can be really ... It's the same with the herbs. So we would get, people write to us and they say I have a headache or I'm exhausted. Well we can only give a general answer to that because we're not seeing you. We're not talking to you. We're not investigating your history and really our duty of care, to do that over the internet or the phone is not there. We can't manage and support that. But that's where a practitioner-   Mason:    (09:00) Well it's not even-   Tahnee:    (09:01) Well that's where a practitioner is so useful because that therapeutic process of sitting down with someone, having them hear you and witness you and mirror you, and then also treat you. I think that's really powerful, and especially if they're an educator or there's someone that's going to help empower you toward your own understanding. Those are the best kinds of practitioners. And if you find one, hold on because I have had people that I've worked with for five or six years because they've just done so much for me in terms of getting me to be my own practitioner. To become responsible and sovereign for myself and you outgrow them over time for sure.   Tahnee:    (09:39) There's probably three people I've outgrown but I really, I value them so much as teachers. I think that's just the constant journey of life is wherever you are in your path, find the people that can support and nourish you. Know when to let go, know what to integrate and transform it yourself. A lot of this stuff we're talking about today is really relevant to this. Qi, it's that ability, once we start to get everything flowing and harmonise then, if we're talking about treasures, we've got strong Jing, we've got strong Qi, then we've got strong Shen and we're really potentiated and in our Dharma in the world, to cross our traditions a little-   Mason:    (10:16) Well not cross, but put them next to each other. You can have them next to each other, it's fine.   Tahnee:    (10:19) Well they're actually very similar. And I teach yoga, definitely with a huge, I guess, eye on the Taoist tradition because I think what the Taoists do is describe the subtle body really well, and describe the alchemical processes that happen. The yogis talk about it as well, but it was quite secretive and because of Muslim invasion and all sorts of things it got a little bit lost. So it's really cool to look at it from both sides. And if you believe that we all are incarnated spirit, which is what these two traditions point to, and that the purpose of our lives is to fully embody our spirit in this physical form. It's not to ascend, it's actually to descend the spirit and to have that spirit fully animate and penetrate this organism and its expression in this life, that's Dharma.   Tahnee:    (11:10) That's this idea of us living our true path. And that could be everything from nurturing a child, to creating an empire. There's so many, and it doesn't have to always be a positive Dharma, because depending on our karma, and the things we bring, we may have different things we have to express. But I think when we look at this idea of potentiating the human, which is what we're doing here, at the end of the day it's yeah, we want to be really conscious of how we choose to work with people. The kinds of information we choose to integrate into our home practice, into our culture. It's something you talk about all the time, this idea of creating culture, and these are constantly slippery conversations. It's never black and white. It's never, I'm this, because this is the Yi Jing, right? Everything changes. The Book of Changes is the foundation of Chinese Medicine. It's this idea that nothing stays the same.   Mason:    (12:08) It's a good point. If you go and find a practitioner, you go, have you studied the Yi Jing?   Tahnee:    (12:13) Well yeah, I think it's definitely not, to my knowledge, taught very extensively in acupuncture school, in inverted commas. But yeah, I think this curiosity, but you can go study the Yi Jing, it doesn't have to be this mysterious, this thing. And if you're interested we'll put it in the show notes about the YI Jing. I'm just making a note to do that.   Mason:    (12:34) Well, I feel like, sorry to butt in, the reason that it's brought up a little today, because I think we're going to be talking about a lot of concepts of Qi, and within this system when we're coming from a Western system, and when we're interacting with, especially at the moment new waves of Chinese practitioners, sometimes we don't see a lot of effectiveness. I think that's fair to say.   Tahnee:    (13:04) Yeah.   Mason:    (13:04) And I think what I want to bring up is that one, we're not putting the complete expectation on you here to be able to immediately affect your own Qi. However, at the same time we're talking about, this is so beyond proven and effective. And just because... You talk about it as well Tahns, when women going through menstrual issues, which can be blockages of Qi and you go and see a practitioner and it doesn't work. You haven't gone to someone who's practicing Yi medicine, and that's just the reality. And Rhonda talks about this all the time, a lot of the practitioners... And I just want to make sure everyone listening is just, we're trying to give you enough space and opportunity, what I call, to activate the placebo.   Mason:    (13:45) These Qi herbs, whether we're talking about tonic herbs, or whether you know what, there's some more severe stuff going on. Maybe the general tonic herbs aren't going to do it and you need to go to a practitioner that's going to get a little more nuanced. These things, they just work. They work. For thousands of thousands of years they've been working in the most complex system. At the moment, now, even in Chinese Medicine hospitals in China, they've got a Heart department, the Kidney department-   Tahnee:    (14:14) The stroke department, I just found one last night, what I wrote you, I will tell you about this later.   Mason:    (14:19) Which is interesting, but there's no stroke in Chinese Medicine.   Tahnee:    (14:24) No, but they don't, they just say, if you come with these things, we can treat you as an individual in our hospital.   Mason:    (14:30) No, they don't. That's what's happening. Sometimes it's happening. They're not doing that a lot at the time. They're having, well I'm going to treat you for-   Tahnee:    (14:37) Oh, that's when they're mashing up the Western piece-   Mason:    (14:38) No, they're it's a Western thing, and the prejudice is, in certain instances Western Medicine is just going to be more useful. And more and more and more I see how amazing ... Don't get me wrong, I see how amazing Western Medicine is and how incredible, to an extent, drugs are and can be. And I can see how people need an institution. But that's the placebo of the Western Medicine. It's so compartmentalised and institutionalised and there's theoretically all these safety checks, which is an absolute bullshit... On its own it's amazing, but it's unwarranted faith that they're being given by the population.   Mason:    (15:17) But the whole prejudice, although the whole, subconsciously for a lot of people, even in these Chinese medical hospitals is that a lot of the time the Chinese Medicine just isn't as reliable. Where it's, from what I'm understanding, not that I understand it necessarily, but I'm awakening my own reality. You saying it's shamanic, and then shamanic is scary therefore that mustn't be effective, That must be very ambiguous and we're calling in spirits to do the healing verse... Of course that's not the case. The real old Chinese Medicine, especially in relating to what our Treasures are and nourishing our Treasures through Qi herbs and a lifestyle that's generating our own Qi, we're generating our ability to have our Qi go through phases of transformation constantly so we don't have blockages.   Mason:    (16:07) This is extremely effective and it's not this thing that's, well it's not actually, not as reliable as Western Medicine. Western Medicine might be really reliable to get you back to a somewhat normal state for the next couple of years without actually dealing with your core problems. And if you're going to go to real Chinese Medicine though, you need someone really working closely with you, and educating with you, and going deep into what your issue is. And we just don't have time for that in an institutional level.   Tahnee:    (16:37) Well I don't think it's unique to Chinese Medicine, but I think when you look at all of the ancient traditions, it was very much around community based model and individual personalised care based on diagnosis that really took into account the whole organism. So it's talking about symptom management, which is what Western Medicine is really good at versus healing or, you talk about with Rhonda's work. This idea of true medicine, which is more to do with... My teacher always says, you're trying to put yourself out of business as a practitioner. So you're trying to get the person to the point where they are self managing and they're sovereign in their health and they'd only need to see you maybe seasonally, maybe once every couple of years just to check in and make sure everything's going well.   Tahnee:    (17:26) And as educators, that's something that I'm really passionate about, for me anyway, I don't want to speak for you. But the more people expose themselves to different ideas without judgment, without needing to make something right or wrong, it gives you this capacity to hold, that F. Scott Fitzgerald quote, hold multiple opposing ideas at the same time. So the Chinese Medicine says there's a universal force that is animating and that turns this sack of fluid and chemicals into a body, And when it goes away, we become chemicals and fluid again, and we dry out, and we dissolve and we become food for the bugs and bacteria. Right? So this is the foundation of Chinese Medicine. It starts with this underlying idea of universal consciousness. Western Medicine doesn't have a underlying theory. It starts with pathology,   Mason:    (18:17) Well that's fine. But as long as it's kept in its little place over there.   Tahnee:    (18:21) Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. I think as a culture we have gone, Oh, okay, we're going to worship the altar of modern science, but we forget that it has limitations. And similarly, Chinese Medicine has limitations. It's great to have a sterile surgical environment to operate in a car crash situation-   Mason:    (18:41) Absolutely.   Tahnee:    (18:42) Yeah, I know you know this, but I'm just trying to explain it for people that are listening. If I am in a car crash, I want to go to Western hospital for my immediate treatment and then I'd love to go to a Chinese doctor to maintain and improve my health over time. It's this idea of childbirth, in Chinese Medicine that's an opportunity to get healthier. And in Western Medicine it's, cool, you had a baby, see you later. We don't ever want to see you again, basically. They might check in on you for six weeks or however long the process is.   Tahnee:    (19:10) And so there's this two very different ways of looking at health, really. One is coming from a educative... And almost a faith based type of health that the natural state is health. That's what I feel is for me the big difference. Whereas Western Medicine is almost, things are going to break all the time and we're just going to keep patching them up. But it's the roof is going to collapse one day. You can't just keep putting screws in and polls in, and bandaging shit up and expecting it all to stay there. It's going to just all fall down one day.   Tahnee:    (19:45) And so that's where I think I prefer to sit in this idea that, we are by design, whether it's intelligent design or evolutionary design, I don't know, but we are by design healthy, and we are by design moving always toward health. And the only reason that ever happens is because our Qi gets blocked in some way. And it's either emotional or physical or mental, either we have a thought recurring that creates a blockage or we have an emotion recurring that creates a blockage, or we have some physical-   Mason:    (20:16) Something structural.   Tahnee:    (20:17) Mass. Yeah, that creates a blockage.   Mason:    (20:18) Yeah, or even the Qi blockages from parent to child, you'll see a hunch or something go from mother to a daughter and that's going to create-   Tahnee:    (20:28) Yeah, inherited.   Mason:    (20:29) Inherited, and that creates a blockage in an organ, that's going to create an emotional pattern or expression.   Tahnee:    (20:33) It's 11:11 everybody just letting you know. But yeah, I think, for me, just that idea even of inherited physicality is so interesting, because if learn how our parent thinks, and how our parent relates to the world, then we model that and then our bodies express that as well. So I find that really interesting when you look at, I used to teach yoga to people in families quite regularly and you would see that the genetic, it's not even the structure is inherited, it's the mental and emotional weight is inherited. And you would see that manifest, and you would see how they would react and respond in similar ways to things. And that's one of the things I love about yoga, is because it offers us this opportunity to hold space for ourselves, to examine that and decide whether or not we really want to carry that on.   Tahnee:    (21:30) Because, sometimes those things are great. Sometimes we have power house parents who are super rad and really give us a lot of gifts and help us to really express our own unique gifts. And sometimes we have people that really just pass on a lot of trauma, and a lot of suffering. And this idea of, and Chinese Medicine talks about this too, around the ages of 28 to 30 is this transition out of the ... Jung's work in particular is really interesting on this stuff. And he took a lot of that from the Indian and Chinese traditions. But this idea that we start to release our parents and we start to forgive them for what they couldn't offer us. And then we take responsibility for what we need to manifest to really fully become ourselves as we move into our 30's and 40's. And I think that's, we don't talk about that much in our culture. There's a lot of blame and there can be a tendency to just go to therapy and to stay in this loop. And I love therapy, don't get me wrong. I think it's really powerful, but I think you have to graduate from therapy at some point.   Mason:    (22:30) Well, this, a lot comes back to the concept of why you'd have a practice to cultivate Qi, and move Qi, and why you'd be moving every day and why you'd be working on your emotions, why you'd be taking Qi tonics, why your diet is appropriate for you to cultivate Qi. Because if you've got this Qi moving, Qi needs to transform, that's why if anyone, if you are relating to your body in a stagnant Western model, if you're trying to be optimal, if you're trying to be balanced. There's just no such thing as a stagnation. Everything is constantly moving and moving into these stages. Moving into that place when you're 30, or if you're going to therapy and you're identifying these patterns and things that you've picked up from your parents. If you're healthy, if you've got strong Jing foundation, and Qi is said to be in the Treasure system, the child Jing, if your Qi is moving, then you're going to be able to actually transform things internally. That's the alchemy. As long as you keep on moving, I think that's what you were leaning to as well.   Tahnee:    (23:26) Yeah. Well that's what I think is super important because I think sometimes people just keep bumping up against themselves and they get stuck. And that's what I mean about, sometimes these external things, therapy or yoga, or meditation, all these things, they can almost become traps where we continue to validate ourselves through the external thing that we do. You can see that a lot in the spiritual community where it's okay I don't the way I was brought up. I'm going to really change that and then I'm going to push back against that culture, instead of really integrating the parts of you that are really from that culture. And this is a lot to do with that shadow work that Jung talks about. But we need to have really strong Qi, and strong Shen to do that work.   Tahnee:    (24:11) And a lot of the time when we're pushing back against something all the time, we waste a lot of our energy and this is our Qi, and so we don't have a lot available for healing. Even for clear thought, it's this idea of when we're depleted, which can be exhaustion, that's Jing Qi, because this is always, this was really confusing for me when I was first learning Chinese Medicine, it was Qi, Jing Qi, this Qi, that Qi, Yi Qi, so many Qi's.   Mason:    (24:36) Gu Qi, Kong Qi-   Tahnee:    (24:37) But everything is Qi. Yes. Everything, you're Qi, I'm Qi, matter is Qi, the bookshelf is Qi.   Mason:    (24:37) The laptop is Qi.   Tahnee:    (24:37) Yeah. But then the force is Qi, and this is where the idea from yoga of Shiva and Shakti is really helpful for me, because if you think of Shiva as form and Shakti as ... I'm sorry, Shiva is consciousness and Shakti is form. So this idea of the union of consciousness and form is the expression of Qi in the manifest world. So we see in this 3D reality form because of Qi, and because of its interactions and from that Yin and Yang in the five phases, this is this snowball I guess of creation. And then when we want to transform our Qi, we have to really engage those two forces. We have to engage the Shakti, which is more the Jing. The Shakti is the reproductive force. It's that cellular force that regenerates and if you want to have healthy cells and not have cancer, and all of these things, it's, yes strong Jing, strong Shakti.   Tahnee:    (25:43) I actually read a really interesting study last night. This is a small tangent, but they studied, I think it was a hundred and something people who had Alzheimer's, and they were looking at the types of patterns, because you know how you were saying before that a headache can be Liver Yang, it can be this, it can be that. So they looked at the percentage of people with which patterns, and 100% or maybe, it might have been 99%, a hundred people of 110 or something, had a Kidney deficiency, basically a Jing deficiency. And then on top of that they had extra things. So it's 70% had a Liver thing, and this many had a Spleen thing and whatever.   Tahnee:    (26:24) But nearly everyone had a Jing thing. And I was isn't that interesting? We talk about brain function all the time, we talk about this ability to maintain the health of our brain, which is the sea of marrow in Chinese Medicine, which comes and originates from the Kidneys. And this simple study, just looking at the patterns of every person with that, every single one of them, nearly, had a Jing deficiency.   Mason:    (26:49) And what I was alluding to before, just so there's a clearness in tonality, having those kinds of patterns, just being recognised that normally if this, it's going to be a Kidney at the source of it. What is limiting and what Tahns isn't talking about is going, oh okay, so if you have Alzheimer's, we treat the Kidneys this way. That's a Western model. That's starting, so if you're going to an acupuncturist ... I'm not throwing shit at anyone, they're probably going to be able to be effective, but let's just say me going in my new cracked out, reading Rhonda Chang stage.   Mason:    (27:24) If you go to an acupuncturist and they're I treat diabetes, I treat Alzheimer's. That's what I specialize in. Just be careful because in that instance of we see a pattern most of the time with Alzheimer's, being there's a Jing thing. Well you can map that back to the sea of marrow that Tahns is talking about, being governed by the Kidneys and the Kidney Water. But then being able to go out, if there's rules that arise through studies, then you're stepping outside of medicine.   Mason:    (27:58) Australia is stepping outside of the Chinese Medicine. You need to be able to recognise patterns and then be able to make sure that you can go in and break all rules if necessary, in treating what's personally going on within that person's Wu Xing element. Because why is that going on within their Kidneys, for some it might be, they've been around too much Fire burning up their Water. There might be the Spleen, it might be a Spleen thing, Spleen might be-   Tahnee:    (28:22) Yeah for sure.   Mason:    (28:23) So anyway, just wanted to put that caveat just in case anyone was confused by my tonality before.   Tahnee:    (28:28) Yeah. Well I think, I guess if we can just make it clear that each individual gets treated, not the disease. There's no pathological identifying, often in the translations of the texts it will be febrile diseases. But at the end of the day we're looking at, what is this individual pattern, what is this individual treatment plan for the person presenting in front of us. And it will change in time depending on the season, depending on the state of their life, depending on all sorts of things. So how you would treat someone when they're pregnant is going to be very different to how you would treat them when they're not pregnant, because their body's operating in totally different states of-   Mason:    (29:09) Yeah. Which is really annoying for a Western mind.   Tahnee:    (29:13) Well, I think it is a different head. And I know for me it took, I think it took me a few years to really be able to put on a Chinese Medicine hat and-   Mason:    (29:25) You almost have to be in a bit of a parasympathetic state to be able to rest and digest actually what, the gravity of just that personalisation.   Tahnee:    (29:32) Yeah. Well there's a book that I read recently that I really loved, which I felt really encapsulated a lot of the stuff I learned and-   Mason:    (29:39) What's that?   Tahnee:    (29:40) It's called Digesting the Universe, I brought it for you.   Mason:    (29:42) Yeah, that's right.   Tahnee:    (29:44) But yeah, he talks a lot about just this idea of literally digesting the universe. This capacity about bodies, not just to digest the food that we eat and the air that we breathe and all of these things. But also to digest our purpose, our emotions, the energy coming from the universe. That's the purpose of the human is to sort of be this bridge between heaven and earth. And it's a really powerful mission, I suppose. And where, I guess this gets pretty esoteric, and we probably should start talking about Qi a bit more, but it's this super important thing because it's well, if we're looking at why we want to be strong and healthy, why are we want to cultivate Qi?   Tahnee:    (30:33) It comes back to this idea of so we can really embody our full potential in our time here. So we aren't just fighting with ourselves and suffering. There's a certain amount of challenge involved in every life of course, but we can meet it with grace, or we can meet it with more pain and more suffering. And so I think this is, for me, this idea of the Triple Treasures is a really powerful one in terms of just how to best move through life in a graceful way, I suppose. Because it's Jing, that foundation, the form, the structure, Qi, the animating force, the metabolism and the movement of energy in the body-   Mason:    (31:13) And emotions.   Tahnee:    (31:14) Yeah, and emotions and thought. And then Shen, the ability to really be tapped into the higher source of consciousness or whatever, in the 3D reality. Not needing to go live in the astral plane. Because the Taoist Masters can do that, my teacher can go astral travel till the cows come home, but-   Mason:    (31:33) And then the cows are come home Master Chia, I'm bloody hungry mate.   Tahnee:    (31:38) Yeah. And my other teacher, Paul's teacher, he would do a lot of healing in the astral, he would work a lot with spirits and ghost and-   Mason:    (31:45) [crosstalk 00:31:45] that was?   Tahnee:    (31:46) Dr.Motoyama, I'll put his links to his books in the show notes.   Mason:    (31:51) So that's especially around karma.   Tahnee:    (31:53) No, he did a lot of work, actually scientific work in measuring the Meridians-   Mason:    (31:58) Oh that's right, he was the groundbreaking right?   Tahnee:    (32:01) Well his work hasn't been accepted by mainstream science yet, but he put people in ... I've got an interview with Paul coming up so I won't tell the story too much because listen to Paul. But yeah-   Mason:    (32:10) Paul Grilley that is.   Tahnee:    (32:11) Paul Grilley. Yeah, he put people in the Faraday cage and had the Taoist Masters on the outside and on the inside, so a Faraday cages impermeable to magnetic and electrical force. Right, so if you're in a Faraday cage, you're isolated, there's nothing can get through to you. And they had machines in there that would measure Qi, and they were able to see that the Taoist Master could transmit his Qi through this Faraday cage, which is wild because you can't send an electronic signal through there. You can't send a mobile signal through there, whatever-   Mason:    (32:42) Were they picking it up as an electrical signal?   Tahnee:    (32:45) They have really sensitive equipment that can measure Qi. So he divides this thing called the AMI, which measures the Meridians. And Paul and Suzee both had, they were both attached to it, and he could use this machine to tell what people's constitutional weaknesses were. So his was heart, Dr. Motoyama's, and he died of a heart thing in the 80's-   Mason:    (33:03) Well he predicted that before that?   Tahnee:    (33:04) Yeah, in his 40's of something, he was, ah that's my weakness, that's how I'm going to go.   Mason:    (33:09) That's even our acupuncturist, even just relating to what type of constitution are you? In that Charles Moss style of what's going to dictate, are you a Fire constitution, are you a Water constitution, and then associating that somewhat with where your constitutional deficiency is. That was an interesting thing for me. Where's your constitutional deficiency? If you're deficient there, that's essentially ... You're going to die of something, and that is going to be a dictation of what constitution you have.   Tahnee:    (33:41) Yeah. And I think what's cool when you know that is, this is what John, our acupuncturist says to me all the time, he's live in your element. So it's actually, even if it's your weak... Not that it's your weak spot, but you'll feel best in your element, but you'll also, that will be where you'll show imbalance as well. So I'm a liver constitution. And so for me, moving fast, being creative, thinking, ideas, those things will really stimulate me. Getting shit done, that's my constitution, and when I'm in that, when I'm full of blood and full of Qi and rested and juicy, my upward Yang can express. But if I start to deplete that, then I'll get Heat, then I'll get digestive stuff, then I'll get my Kidneys tapped out, which is all related to this Liver system getting overwrought. And me overdoing my constitution.   Tahnee:    (34:39) So it's learning to embody the gifts of your constitution without flogging your constitution, I suppose.   Mason:    (34:48) Yeah.   Tahnee:    (34:49) A fire person might be really charismatic and great at speaking and really enthusiastic and able to bring all the joy. But if they overdo it, they're going to get depressed and tapped out and want to hide from everybody. So there's this Yin and Yang, I suppose, of the constitution embodiment as well. But I love these ideas, Ayurveda has prakruti and vikruti, which are your foundational constitution and then what you're currently out of whack in. So I might go and get acupuncture for my Spleen if I'm out of whacking in my Spleen, but my underlying constitution is Liver. And often the acupuncturist will still treat the Liver Channel as well because ... and this is what Rhonda talks about a lot, if someone's a Livery person, you can treat the Spleen, but it's not going to do as well as if you actually treat the Liver and the Spleen, or just the Liver in some cases.   Mason:    (35:39) Yeah right, that's what Charles Moss talks about a lot as well. That's what, what's his name? That was-   Tahnee:    (35:43) Wellesley.   Mason:    (35:43) Wellesley's, not Matt Wellesley-   Tahnee:    (35:48) I can't remember.   Mason:    (35:48) Anyway.   Tahnee:    (35:48) John Wellesley's maybe.   Mason:    (35:50) Wellesley, whether ... I'm not complete-   Tahnee:    (35:53) 1.    Wellesley he is.   Mason:    (35:58) The J stands for, Jay Wellesley. I'm unsure of the effectiveness of his work. All I know is the work, that Power of the Five Elements book by-   Tahnee:    (36:15) Charles Moss.   Mason:    (36:15) Charles Moss is super interesting. So I don't know whether it actually works too well, but I assume it does, in some instances. But their thing is find the constitutional deficiency, or typing, and then just treat it. And if you treat it, you're going to create such a dam release of Qi that it's going to essentially clear up other blockages. I think that's a very simplistic, I think however there's so much truth to be able to, you need to know where to go, where's the pinnacle point? Where's the king or queen pin that you can just hit? And then, at the same time, go and find where the almost symptomatic deficiency is, and then treat it that way as well. Until you can get back to that constitutional deficiency.   Tahnee:    (37:00) Yeah. Well I think this is where, if we look at Qi and for example the Qi blend, it gets interesting because ... So we have a culture of anxiety and overthinking and doing a lot and worry and-   Mason:    (37:12) Not being able to digest the universe.   Tahnee:    (37:14) Yeah. And at this particular time, especially, we've just had crazy bushfires raging through Australia, it's flooding now today, the M1 is flooded, which is the big highway near where we live. So this is within three or four months we've had a bushfire and now we're having a flood. And so these things challenge our ability, they challenge of Shen, right? They challenge our ability to understand and integrate, and so they can really deplete us, because we're trying to hold on and-   Mason:    (37:43) Make meaning.   Tahnee:    (37:44) Make sense of these things, which really comes through our Spleen, Spleen Stomach pairing. I'm just going to say Spleen now because it's easier for me. But this Spleen organ, which is the digestion and transformation of the things that we take in, which is everything from food and water and stuff, but also information, ideas-   Mason:    (38:04) And heavenly Qi.   Tahnee:    (38:06) Yeah. And so when we're looking at how we use Qi herbs and what, it's with Jing, so many people are exhausted and they're burning the candle at both ends, so by working on the Kidney Channel, they get results. But if you understand your constitution, I'm constitutionally Liver, so I'll take Liver herbs all the time, and then I'll have things Jing and Qi herbs regularly, because they support the main organs that support or draw from my Liver. Right?   Tahnee:    (38:39) So just from my understanding of the elements, I just know that if I stay in that triangle, it really helps me to stay balanced. Whereas other people might be more Heart, Lung, Tiver people. So the different constitutions are going to have different combinations of formulas that work well for them. And if you look at all the longevity formulas, they were really working with the Triple Treasure herbs, the Jing, Qi, Shen herb's and they were working, probably in my opinion, with herbs that were good for their constitutions. You look at the guys that lived on He Shou Wu and Ginseng, yeah they were using these herbs to really bolster their capacity to hold Qi in the Meridians. And so what we're looking for is to get stronger.   Tahnee:    (39:23) And to get stronger is, I think of this as the great analogy that, I don't know who taught me this, but it's always stayed with me, You want to increase your capacity to hold more bandwidth. So it's if you dig a channel and run water through it, if it's only shallow and you put a lot of water through, it just floods out and you can get quite unwell from that, putting too much Qi in too soon. So people that do Vipassana and lose their marbles, which happens, they hadn't built the Qi capacity, the Pranic capacity to hold what they were-   Mason:    (39:57) What's coming through.   Tahnee:    (39:58) What's coming through, yeah.   Mason:    (39:58) The same with plant medicine, you see people just-   Tahnee:    (40:01) It's just getting electrocuted. It's just too much energy through a system that wasn't designed to hold.   Mason:    (40:06) Too much insight.   Tahnee:    (40:06) Yeah. And you can't integrate it because it's too much too soon. So what we look at with herbs and meditation and physical practice, and this is why if you look at Chinese Healing, it does include not just herbs, but Qi Gong, it includes breathing practices. It includes acupuncture, massage, meditation's, these kinds of things-   Mason:    (40:26) Taoist yoga.   Tahnee:    (40:27) Yeah, because we have to work on the multidimensional experience in a multidimensional way. So just to meditate all the time is going to put you out of whack, but just doing exercise all the time and never meditating is going to put you out of whack. So you need to find the middle ground between all these things, and it's going to be a little different for each individual as well. But this is what we're looking to do. So when you start taking tonic herbs, you take a little and you just let your body adjust and you start to open up to that. And it's the same with QI blend, right?   Tahnee:    (40:59) This is going to nourish the Spleen, it's going to nourish the Lungs, it's going to support the capacity of the body to draw energy, which means you're going to have more available energy, but you don't want to go crazy hard on that at the beginning. You want to make sure that you just ease into that. And in time your body will get used to running more Qi through the Meridians. Which you can think of the Meridians if you need a physical analogy, as the spaces in between the tissues and the bones. So they're correlated to the fluids that run through the fascia.   Tahnee:    (41:29) And if you look up extracellular tissue, extracellular matrix, look up fascia, F-A-S-C-I-A, you can have a look at this gelatinous gooey substance that exists inside of the body. And the theory at the moment is that this is where the Qi runs, because when you look at the myofascial Meridians and what the Taoists, where the Chinese and the Taoists lay it out in the Meridian points, they correlate to these fascial lines in the body. And they're individualised to each person. So again, you'll look at an acupuncture book and it'll say, this point is too C-U-N, Cun from the midline or whatever, but that's going to be based on the individual's body and their size. So for someone who's a giant like me, it's going to be slightly different to someone who's really small and compact, their Meridian points will be closer together.   Tahnee:    (42:18) And it's just on account of that the scale of their body is different. And so you want to look at increasing your capacity to hold energy. And this is where we, in our lives, use movement practice. We use breathing practice, we use herbs, we use good food. We use rest, because all of these things allow the body to grow and change. And this is the purpose of life, right? Is to learn to be with change, be with the Tao, with the flow of life, and to become really capacitated and powerful and strong in ourselves.   Tahnee:    (42:51) And so I think this blend really excites me because I think, when we look at children, when we look at our culture of poor digestion and the amount of people that have crap digestion is just out of control. And when you look at this ability to digest life, and as a metaphor for digestion, it's well yeah, if you're having digestive problems, what aren't you digesting? What in your life, this was a huge one for me. I, in inverted commas, can't eat gluten and certain things and it's a lot to do with, for me it was a lot to do with working through the emotional as well as the physical stuff that was required for me to be in a capacity to digest and to receive and to take in nourishment from what I was eating.   Tahnee:    (43:39) And so when we work on our Qi, we work on strengthening the Organ Systems involved in that. And that's the Earth Element. This is, Rhonda talks about it as a soil, and it's tending our garden, it's creating a really fertile bed in which to plant the seeds of our Dharma to spring forth. And I feel it's a really foundational, if you look at a lot of the ways the five phases are drawn, the Earth is in the center. It's the middle of it all, and it's the beginning of the all, and the end of it all, we begin in the soil and we end in the soil.   Tahnee:    (44:11) And if you look at chemical matter, which is what we are, we're carbon based life form, the soil is full of carbon. It's this idea of composting, transforming the food with heat into nutrition for the body. There's our alchemical transfer-   Mason:    (44:26) In a big bag of bacteria.   Tahnee:    (44:29) Yeah, where-   Mason:    (44:31) That's the human body I'm talking about.   Tahnee:    (44:32) And soil, soil is bacteria, we're bacteria. There's a lot of correlation when you look at these analogies they chose were really, really good. They really encapsulated something that is so easy to understand and so simple, but has such depth. And that's what I find so inspiring about it. Because I feel like sometimes the more I learn, the more I reaslise how simple it is.   Mason:    (44:54) Well that's it, the simplicity is what there is. And that's why, it's an interesting thing. I watch my own Western mind, even to an extent wanting to go and carve it up and explain it. What does it mean? And what were they meaning by that? Ah, now it's almost validated, because I can see that correlation between soil and the human microbiota. And that's really interesting, I've made a mental connection. But in your mind, you're essentially going to be able to go take yourself further into a sympathetic state. You're not dropping down feeling, rest and digesting place, which is where healing happens. And so you see where this ineffectiveness of modern Chinese Medicine starts coming through because we need to make it all mental verse. Just being able to sit in the simplicity, which is where we're going to need to be sitting in our households working on our Qi for decades and decades and decades.   Mason:    (45:43) Does it make sense for us to go, right, I'm going to use these Qi herbs because I know that QI is an electromagnetic force and it gets collected in this part of this spleen, not the actual Spleen element, the actual spleen organ, and I have to know about the spleen organ and I need to know about its relationship to the pancreas. It's not realistic when you're just trying to enjoy your life and spread more awesomeness. To an extent, going into, specialisation is interesting and it's good, but the simplicity, what you're talking about there, is just, that's always what's going to make this accessible and then allow there to be consistency.   Mason:    (46:15) What you were talking about before with heavenly Qi, I think it's got everything to do with the Qi herbs. It's got everything to do with these herbs, Codonopsis, White Atractylodes, and Poria and Astragalus, in that humans being the bridge between heaven and earth is what, it's a core in many philosophies and it's a core Taoist belief, which is, just being a metaphor in itself. I don't mind it just been that. So we've got that relation, so it's Tian, Ren, Di, it's sky, human, earth, and each of those, they're Three Treasures in themselves. Right?   Mason:    (46:52) And so we see, same as with Shiva being that Yang and being that consciousness, and then that Qi, humanity being associated with that treasure of Qi. And then we see the Shakti being that earth and that Yin, it makes sense. It's the same as, Pachamama being mother earth and earth, and Pachacarma, that father son in the shamanic circles. But you can see then there's Three Treasures in, for sky we see sun, moon, stars, humans, we see Jing Qi Shen, and then for earth see water, wind, fire. So they've got their own Jing, Qi ,Shen.   Mason:    (47:31) But humans sit in the middle, We are most appropriately, if we're going to be a bridge, Qi is going to encapsulate us the most. And that's why you, we see ... that's why I'm excited to have more and more Qi blends coming through just in our little, and being able to educate about Qi and the cultivation and Qi and movement Qi in our little circle. In our little circle here, because Jing has been such a focus because everyone's been I need energy. Everyone's been so exhausted and so that's not a place to start. You need a foundation, you need an actual ... You need to be connected to say the gas, you need wood to burn in order to actually have digestion, or to have immunity. To have physicality, to have the possibility for your skeletal system to stay appropriately strong throughout your life, for your knees to stay strong, so you don't just start deteriorating, which we see.   Mason:    (48:22) Celebrating Western Medicine, but everyone's deteriorating at 60 years old. And that's well that's what happens, the thinning of the artery wall, that happens when you're 60, we can hold that off a little. But that's not what I believe is the normality. But at the same time that Jing, once you've got a lifestyle where you're not leaking that Jing, as we know, well where do we move? That's why a lot of the Taoists would be, Jing herbs would be there, in their circulation. The less stressed they were, the less they had to continue to take Jing herbs, you would take them every now and then.   Mason:    (48:59) Maybe water was, they have a Kidney Water constitution. And so that's why they enjoy it. And maybe sometimes they just putting a little extra money in the bank by taking a Jing herb. But a lot of the time you're going to see them sit. A lot of people sit, in their tonic herbal practice, on Qi herbs longterm. Okay, so why is that? Because it's the bridging force, it's that bridging Treasure. And yes, we're going to be talking about how digestion wise, the Spleen Earth system is what is taking in food, and able to cook and ferment our food. It somewhat controls that metabolic fire, and our ability to then extract what we need from what we're eating. Especially if you're eating a diet, something that's appropriate for you and your diet.   Mason:    (49:49) You were speaking to that before. It's why you've personally had to move away from a bit of a vegetarian diet, because you need lots of blood, and if you don't have lots of Blood, your Liver is going to be deficient in Blood because it stores, and you see things go wrong. That's why you can't go into this Chinese medical, Western compartmentalise, symptomatic external idea based of how to treat. The same way you can't go into external diets, this diet's correct, just with some nuance. You can't start with ideology, you can't start with institutional thinking. You need to start ... and you can't just go, offhand, but everyone's individual, everyone needs to personalise. Yeah, you do. But that's where you absolutely need to start with no prejudice in terms of how that person needs to live. Whether it's in a medical system or whether a dietary system.   Mason:    (50:44) But in that nature of us being that middle treasure, and that bridge, it's why, also with this lifestyle that we've got a movement practice that's moving out our Jing. We're increasing our ... What was the analogy you were using, in terms of you don't actually have the bandwidth. We need to slowly, with consistently, through a good diet, good Qi herbs, through our, whatever it is, you're own type of meditative practice, and breathing practice. Even just breathing well, they don't need to be real clinically done either, it's just a lifestyle that's hopefully not too stressed out. So you can breathe. You don't need to be this monastery, two hours a day practicing yogi.   Mason:    (51:32) I think that's another big thing, there's too much pressure. Find your own way. You can go your own way, with finding how to cultivate your Qi, without prejudice of what it's going to look like. So in that sense, we're in a rest digest place, so that we're able to actually digest the food that we're eating. But once we're in that place where our lifestyle is becoming extremely individualised, but it's visceral, it's felt. I'm moving, not because the CrossFit person or the Ashtanga yoga person, or whatever it is, they told me to move that way. I'm connected to my body and how I'm going to move myself and move my Qi. And that's going to increase your bandwidth. All of that, allows you to digest the universe because you're moving your Qi, and you're cultivating Qi, and that's all you need.   Mason:    (52:22) We don't need to theoretically understand the in's and out's of how the universe is working, in order to do this. It can't be done solely, or even in a dominant sense, in this mental framework and especially within a sympathetic nervous system turned on. Fight or flight, which we're all doing. We're all fighting. We're all fighting to justify our existence, especially with social media. Definitely feeling that come up in myself recently, trying to personalise more and more. Just nuances of it, but can you really just sit in a rest and digest place? Then you're actually going to be able to cultivate some Qi.   Mason:    (52:58) When you start cultivating your Qi, you're actually, and through the Qi herbs they're going to be focusing on your Spleen Earth and your Lung Metal, to make sure that you're getting a lot from your food, get a lot of Gu Qi from your food, and a lot of Kong Qi from the air that you are breathing. And then beginning to cultivate that electromagnetic charge within those organ systems, but then also unifying those two daily forms of Qi so that that can, in the Yang form, be distributed into your subcutaneous tissue, into your surface Meridians. That's known as your Wei Qi. And so that's what keeps you protected.   Mason:    (53:34) And then also down into your deeper Meridians, the 12 major Meridians and beyond. To actually nourish your tissue, or to nourish your organ system. Sorry. And in that sense, when you can get a lifestyle flow going down that route, you're drawing less and less and less and less and less on your Jing in order to get through the day. And more and more and more via your movement practice, breath, food, Qi herbs, right? You're drawing on, you're increasing your capacity and your bandwidth to utilise daily Qi. And the idea is, you get so good at that, which is, this is where the Taoism comes in, whether it's for everyone or not, but you can actually start then creating so much, and cultivating so much that then that can percolate down and start to be stored as Jing. Right? Because remember Jing is just Qi. They're not completely different things. It's just different-   Tahnee:    (54:25) It's our chemical form of Qi. I think there's ... I can't remember the numbers, but there's in one of the Taoists alchemy texts they talk about, it takes seven whatever's of Qi to and make one whatever of Jing, I don't know if you can remember the?   Mason:    (54:41) No.   Tahnee:    (54:41) No. And the same with, that much to create Shen, it's this really huge process of refinement. And one of the things I think that's really important to think about, is that idea of exhaustion, if you're going through the day and by three or four you're completely knackered and you still have to push through. Let's say you have small children, we know all about this, you have to push through till eight or nine until they're finally in bed and you can start to unwind and rest. Then you've basically just used all your Qi by three, and you're now tapping into your reserves. And this is having to go into a savings account every week to live. You're going to run out of cash at some point. And that's when we hit that exhaustion that people contact us about.   Mason:    (55:27) Yeah. Can I talk to ... Because there's a nuance there that is, I think it's useful for people, just remembering, you, may have been working on your Jing for a long time that you might get to that three o'clock or that four o'clock and you feel fatigue. So for that fatigue or that fatigueness in your limbs, mental fatigue, that's more closely associated with that treasurer of Qi.   Tahnee:    (55:51) Yeah, like heaviness.   Mason:    (55:52) Yeah.   Tahnee:    (55:52) And even, if you imagine sagginess ... I don't know how to best explain this, but you know when you've been on a plane for a while and your feet get fluidy and heavy and swollen and stuff, that's because your Qi is stagnating, is not able to circulate, and you've run out of battery power, I suppose, to move your Qi.   Mason:    (56:14) And there is, don't mistake that for the fact that when you get to three to five o'clock, it's bladder time in the Organ Wheel, and that is a time for less intense energy.   Tahnee:    (56:28) Yeah, but that's where you would have a yoga nidra, or go have a cup of Qi, and do a meditation or something that recharges you.   Mason:    (56:37) Absolutely, do a ... That's what I did, I went live yesterday on Superfeast, and I was having a little rebound, and I had my afternoon Qi. But just to, you might have your lifestyle dialed in where you don't become exhausted necessarily. It might take a few months of you not really changing until you really actually start going, shit, I'm getting exhausted here. So in that instance, it's a perfect time to be working with these Qi herbs, right. Verse, if you are actually exhausted and you need external stimulus to give you willingness to get up and get going. That is a Jing deficiency, and you need to use lifestyle and Jing herbs. And that's when you potentially need to make big changes in your life in order to ensure that you're not leaking your Jing.   Mason:    (57:25) But it's almost, with Qi, it's almost a little harder, because the subtlety, you can't just do a 30 days of Qi and then completely change the direction of the way your emotional patterns work, and the way you've constructed your workflow and all these kinds of ... you can't just do, 30 days of Jing, people get off stimulants, get on Jing and then can feel completely recharged, in terms of what it's it changes their lives. My gosh, I'm not leaking Jing, you were able to do something.   Mason:    (57:57) Qi is, it's more subtle. It's more transformational and rewarding in the end, but it takes that little more consistency. It's less extreme, but the rewards of you altering your lifestyle in minute ways. Oh, I need to do a little less exercise, a little less, more of that exercise. I need to alter my diet. So this is where it challenges ideologies, right? So when you're Jing deficient, you open yourself up to ideologies, because you don't have a foundation of who you are, and what you are. But then once you've plugged that Jing deficiency, you've still got those identities externally attached to ways your parents lived, the way we live in the West, the way a liberal voter lives, a way a vegan lives, or a carnivore lives or whatever it is.   Mason:    (58:45) But in the Qi stage, when you're cultivating more and more Qi, you are personalising more and more for yourself. So you need to know yourself and understand yourself. And that can be confronting, because you need to know yourself emotionally. I'm definitely confronted by it, it's difficult work. You need to start understanding what's actually going to work for you. So it's going to challenge every prejudice that you had about yourself and every little external identity grab that you had. So just know, that's where you're really getting alchemical internally, when you get to this point when you can sit in the middle and cultivate that Qi. And when you do have that Qi flowing and cultivating, through these things that we're talking about, that's when you naturally, your flame gets bigger, and your light, your Shen, you can start actually really learning some deep things about yourself. And learning from life experiences and bringing that forth in your own wisdom, which is your Shen.   Tahnee:    (59:42) I think, what I'm really thinking about while I listened to you talk about that is, this idea, I think we were talking about it before, not in the podcast, but before we came on, but about, how basically the idea is to become a wise child. And if you look at a child, if they have an emotion and they're permitted to have it, it just gets expressed. They have a tantrum, they kick, they scream, it lasts for five, 10 minutes and then it's done. And then they're hey, can we go play in the muddy puddle, or whatever. And it's, that energy hasn't been stopped in their body and it hasn't created a blockage.   Tahnee:    (01:00:24) And what we do as adults, over time, and we learned this from childhood, and thi

Suzee Grilley is half one of the Yoga world's most beloved Teacher Training partnerships. Together with with her husband, Paul, their "Yin Yoga" has become one of the world's most popular postural Yoga styles.Yin Yoga is non-muscular and non-sweaty. Suzee and Paul always say Yin is only half of their physical practice. Today, we talk the other half: Suzee and Paul have created & choreographed several "Yang" Yoga sequences over the years of their long yoga career. Come join us and listen to the story of the context and function of Yang for their Yin.

Today’s episode launches a two-part interview during which Heather jumps out of her usual format and talks to three amazing guests at the same time!   Tune in for an insightful, casual conversation with Ken, Suzee, and Shayla.   Key Takeaways [:31] Jay Michael Tucker, President of the Northern California ASMP chapter, introduces today’s guests: Suzee Barrabee, Ken Zayne, and Shayla Love as well as your host, Heather Elder. [4:33] Heather welcomes listeners to a special two-part live recorded series of Dear Art Producer and begins the conversation by asking her 3 guests how they found their way into art production. [7:08] Shayla talks starting with pizza delivery in Boulder Colorado and making her way to Uber Eats and everything creative in between. [9:15] Ken ran into photography through a program called City in a School and made his way to FIT and fashion photography before ending up at Gap, Inc./Old Navy. [11:27] Suzee was a lost soul who answered a want ad! [14:22] Suzee opens up the conversation about the differences between working the brand side vs being in an agency. [16:45] Shayla digs deeper into the idea that working client-side can become insular. [18:57] Ken weighs in on the pros and cons of the increased creative control that working client-side offers. [20:40] Changes in the industry have affected everyone; Heather is curious to know what other projects than photography her guests are hiring for. [22:38] Suzee talks about having a more holistic approach. You have a brief [built against a media plan] and money, and the question then becomes what is the best way to answer this brief. [24:26] Shayla shares the scope of decision-making that needs to happen to deliver on a brief, as well as the weight of performance and results that the producer has to shoulder. Tip: if a photographer can provide the performance metrics for their past work, it can be a huge asset — and those metrics are very accessible for social media work — you can ask for that information. [29:33] Heather asks in a crowded marketplace, how do we get your attention? [30:09] Ken thinks mailers are great; go for larger formats so the work is showcased properly. Emails are good too, he does respond and will do in-person meetings when possible. Don’t hesitate to share your work! [34:59] Suzee shares what catches her eye. Being freelance, she does prefer emails to mailers (they take too much room in her house!). Every two months is a bit aggressive but she keeps an eye out for everything since she never knows what her next project might be. Instagram is huge for her, include your links in your emails. [37:19] Relevance is key to Shayla — she is brand-side so she has one focus. Use Instagram as a tool, pay the fees, and target people! Having a face and a conversation to remember is also important, so trying to get a meeting in helps and she often hosts reps. [41:28] Heather shares her own experience on the importance of meetings in person; art producers are asking to meet her photographers more and more. [43:35] Suzee shares a personal story about meeting a National Geographic photographer, even when time was short. [44:29] Love of photography drives the business and it’s important for everyone to make time to meet, even if time is always short. And on this note, Heather invites listeners to tune in for Part 2 of this interview!   Thanks for listening!   In an industry where the rules are always changing, it’s helpful to hear from those on the front line. Heather Elder is the visionary behind NotesFromARep’sJournal.com; visit her website for industry updates, stunning photography and video, and the artists behind the work.   Mentioned in this episode ASMP Create Space, Nicola Sottorio Media One Audio and Visual, Dan McGonagle Facebook Gap/Old Navy Uber Eats   More about your host Heather Elder’s Bio Heather Elder’s Blog Heather Elder on Instagram Heather Elder on Twitter Heather Elder on LinkedIn Heather Elder on Facebook   More about today’s guests Suzee Barrabee’s website Kenneth Zane’s LinkedIn Shayla Love’s LinkedIn

Today’s episode is Part 2 of a special two-part interview with three brand-side art producers; jump back in for the rest of this awesome conversation with Ken, Suzee, and Shayla.   Key Takeaways [:31] Heather welcomes listeners back to this special two-part live recording of Dear Art Producer and picks up the conversation with her three guests. [1:12] Motion came into photographer’s arsenal only a few years ago so some are now already directors and some are still figuring out the basics. Heather asks her guests what requirements they have as it pertains to motion. [2:07] Suzee explains that there are many configurations that depend on the client and project and that there is a learning curve since it’s a growing field. [3:38] Ken finds that it’s really easy to sell a photographer taking care of motion because it guarantees an aesthetic uniformity. [6:17] Shayla always needs some motion component. When the brief requires some video but the bulk is stills, she will look for photographers who are apt at motion or turn the stills into a GIF. [9:00] Heather speaks to the difficulties she encounters when agencies ask for ‘motion’ estimates without the client having any clear idea of what they want. [9:53] Ken is guilty of exactly that with Heather! [10:55] Everyone shares their perspective on and experience with ‘behind-the-scenes’ videos… Q.A. [14:23] Audience question: When looking at a photographer’s website for motion, what is the best format? Condensed reel? Finished products? And what about photographer/directors? [14:40] Ken, Suzee, and Shayla all say that raw, edited, and finished products should be on your website. [16:44] Heather’s advice for photographers looking to start with motion: Have a motion solution for your client. [19:22] Heather moves the conversation to treatments to ask how they are used, and what they should include and exclude. [20:00] For Shayla, treatments are a luxury that happens if time permits, and it does introduce the approach the photographer is going to take, which is really helpful if you’ve not worked together often and really useful for pitching the estimate. [21:22] Suzee echoes Shayla’s answer and adds that it helps drive the creative as well as logistics conversations around the project. But she does underscore how the number one most important driver for the final choice is the creative call. [23:49] Ken touches on what he expects from a creative call and treatments and how important they both are in terms of showcasing your vision, passion, confidence, and appreciation for the project. [26:36] Shayla speaks to the opportunity for “extra credits” that treatments and creative calls offer. [27:32] Heather reiterates the critical importance of being ready for the creative call — if you haven’t read the brief, say no and set a different date! Q.A. [29:43] Audience question: It sounds like there is no right way to do treatments, but ultimately what is a good treatment? Is it showcasing your experience to do a shoot? The research? [31:02] All of the above says Ken; he shares a couple of professional stories. Q.A. [34:44] Audience question: Have people ever charged for a treatment? [34:56] Suzee explains that it’s the cost of doing business and they would not pay for a treatment — but if you feel like you’re being taken advantage of, ask yourself questions. [36:08] Heather steers the conversation towards estimating and what it takes to get a job approved on the art production side. [36:56] Decks, decks, and more decks are Shayla’s constant work for relaying the information and data to the creative team in order to get to the unbiased best option for that project. But the speed of it depends on the company: Uber Eats is lightning fast at making those decisions. [39:08] Facebook has a very clear but rigorous process and Suzee does find that larger companies tend to have heavier red tape to wade through. [40:25] Cost consultants will add about four days to the whole process. [41:56] Suzee will call you if you didn’t get the job but the way she is able to articulate the why of that decision, or not, has gotten Heather thinking about how she asks for that information! [43:53] Ken chimes in with the idea that anyone who is bidding is the winner — among hundreds of possible portfolio. And Shayla shares the most common reasons you didn’t get the job, it’s the creative call… Q.A. [47:01] Audience question: So you bid for a new client and lost, how do you follow up with that relationship productively? [47:27] Heather offers some ideas, the door is open; gently foster the relationship, some new work updates, and count on the timing. Q.A. [50:08] Audience question: What are the macro trends in advertising budgets recently? Is photography shrinking in the face of motion? [50:46] Motion still takes up the biggest portion of the budget pie and there is a marked increase in the demand for motion within stills projects. However there are channels that always require stills, so the days of shooting stills are more numerous than motion. Q.A. [53:42] Audience question: A lot of the stuff up on client sites is not relevant to what they are currently doing, how do we get that information? [54:35] Heather offers that you should ask the person that gave you the meeting in the first place, they will be a great source of information. [56:15] Ken offers up a tip wrapped in a personal story, show the work that is relevant, but show the work you love to do, it’s who you are. [57:53] Heather thanks everyone for this awesome experience and invites listeners to tune in for future episodes.   Thanks for listening!   In an industry where the rules are always changing, it’s helpful to hear from those on the front line. Heather Elder is the visionary behind NotesFromARep’sJournal.com; visit her website for industry updates, stunning photography and video, and the artists behind the work.   Mentioned in this episode ASMP Create Space, Nicola Sottorio Media One Audio and Visual, Dan McGonagle Facebook Gap/Old Navy Uber Eats   More about your host Heather Elder’s Bio Heather Elder’s Blog Heather Elder on Instagram Heather Elder on Twitter Heather Elder on LinkedIn Heather Elder on Facebook   More about today’s guests Suzee Barrabee’s website Kenneth Zane’s LinkedIn Shayla Love’s LinkedIn

Suzee Dunn and Hailey Hackett sit in a shipping container and talk about astrology, politics and how to survive in Hollywood.  Want more Hailey: Instagram @haileyhacketttalks Twitter @hailey_hackett Want more Suzee Dunn Instagram @_bosswitch Website www.suzzeedunn.com  Want more Good Talk:  Instagram: @goodtalkwith   Check out her podcast Act Like A Girl with Suzee Dunn or check out the show live at The Ruby.

Lindsay and Sarah catch up, talk about teething, film/web festivals and LA. Then, Sarah interviews the amazing content creator, comedian, curator of artists, and #BOSSWITCH, Suzee Dunn. They discuss how they met (10 YEARS AGO!), "Act Like a Girl," moving to Los Angeles, dyslexia, being an activist, and what gets her creative juices flowing. Suzee is a magical lady and you're going to love her.

SUZEE X presents her 'FEELS' of the month. "Let's Go MIAMI!" This month expect an ENERGETIC HOUSE - TECH HOUSE mix with an OLD MIAMI CLASSIC to finish! Tracklist: 1) Catz 'n Dogz - The Choice 2) ATFC - Less Go 3) Jay de Lys - Basketball 4) Ren Phillips, YINGYANG (UK) - AAA 5) barbeX - Get ShokD 6) Prok & Fitch - Roller Girl 7) Raffa FL - Ass Oh Beatt 8) Max Chapman - Steppa 9) Sidney Charles - Whiplash 10) YINGYANG (UK), Ren Phillips - Poppin' 11) Solardo - Tango Wango 12) Amine Edge & DANCE - Baby Don't Go 13) Jansons feat. Dope Earth Alien - SWITCH 14) George Smeddles & Josh Watts - Breath & Stop 15) Rebuke - Take That Back (Josh Butler Remix) --- OLD MIAMI CLASSIC: 16) Hardsoul feat. Ron Carroll - Back Together

SUZEE X presents her 'FEELS' of the month. This month expect a HOUSEY, TECH meaningful mix with a very UPLIFTING end!  Tracklist: 1) Roland Clark, Colour Castle - Can't Buy This (MAM Remix) 2) Andrea Raffa - Hit With Barbara (Alex Kenji Remix) 3) Oliver Knight, Matt McLarrie - The Record Room (Extended Mix) 4) Kormak - Feel 5) Alex Kenji - Disco Light 6) Roland Clark - I Get Deep (Joe Smooth's Gifted Souls Mix) 7) Dale Howard - Rogue Keys 8) Volkoder - YA 9) Jansons & Mark Jenkyns - Track 2 10) Caravaca - Addiction 11) Babalou - In The Jungle 12) Rebuke - Jump Ship 13) Huxley - Unstuck 14) PEZNT - Freedom 15) &ME - Rapture Pt.II (Original Mix)

Set 4 of 5 sets I am going to release every Friday over 5 weeks. Last one drops Sept. 14! STAY CONNECTED (Click below!): Facebook Itunes Twitter: @djAngelWings Stitcher TRACKLIST 53. Right Here, Right Now (CamelPhat Remix)-    Fatboy Slim // 54. I Get Deep (Late Nite Tuff Guy Remix)-    DJ Le Roi // 55. Lock the Doors (Midnight City Remix)-    Marshall Jefferson // 56. Drum Play-    Biggi & Team Rush Hour // 57. Raise Your Hands Up    -Sander van Doorn & Chocolate Puma // 58. Clarity Hertz [Reid Stefan Mashup]-    Reid Stefan // 59. Le Ly Land-    Luigi Madonna    Magic Land // 60. Sing It Back (Mousse T's Feel Love Mix)-    Moloko // 61. Make A Transition-    David Herrero // 62. Bust This-    Bingo Players // 63. Making Me Dizzy-    Tiësto & Bobby Puma // 64. Wake Me Up (Avicii Speed Remix)-    Avicii // 65. Insomnia-    Andrew Meller // 66. Hey Boy Hey Girl (Kaaze Unofficial Remix) -    The Chemical Brothers // 67. Saxology-    Earth n Days // 68. Rise (Robosonic Remix)-    Eddie Amador // 69. Suzee-    Mark Knight & Adrian Hour // 70. I Am Ready - Hoxton Whores & Jay C //

A new tech-house mix featuring some of my favorite tracks for Spring 2015. Starts slow and moody and picks up pace while exploring classic house and deep house tracks and finishing with a bang! Tracklist: Midnight Gardens (Original Mix) Squire Feat. Forrest Your Love Will Set You Free (c2's Set U Free Remix) Caribou Party Groovin_ Da Fresh Hear the Music (Rene Amesz Remix) Todd Terry & Gypsymen The Peacemaker Veerus & Maxie Devine It's On You (Ganzfeld Effect Remix) Sugar Hill & Wasabi Got To Have U My Digital Enemy Rock This Road (feat. Shakka) [Ninetoes Remix] Basement Jaxx Do You Mind Christian Nielsen Too Much Patrick Topping Work On Me Lewis Boardman I Believed In You Mash Feel the Fire Eli & Fur Into the Groove Sergio Fernandez Walking Around Federico Scavo Get It Right (feat. Shawnee Taylor) [Club Mix] Harry Romero & Joeski Pink Flamingos Pagano Suzee Mark Knight & Adrian Hour Kalypso Hollen Deeptronix (Club Mix) Goki Los Hijos Del Soul (Uto Karem Remix) Tomaz & Filterheadz