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Nathan Florence won Stab Surfer of the Year in 2023. John Florence won Stab Surfer of the Year in 2024... with Nate in second. How is it possible that two brothers, who took completely divergent paths in the surf world, have found themselves sharing the throne? Let's discuss on this episode of The Drop — the first of 2025.

Yes, the IG comments are true — John Florence's new edit 'Here' is playing exclusively on Stab Premium until November 25. Apologies to anyone this has affected emotionally, financially or otherwise. Meanwhile, Mikey and Buck shed new light on the Vans Pipe Masters news that ignited IG this week, along with event format, dates, and other details. Finally we hear from a former Drop host and the man largely responsible for Rasta's 'Electric Acid Surfboard Test', Danny Johnson, who provides some BTS morsels from the series that was.

We're back after a three week hiatus!  Mikey and Buck break down everything that's been happening lately — Stab Highway, Stab Con, the Quik Fest — before Sam McIntosh shares his exclusive post-Finals chat with John Florence. Get the full JJF interview plus other news at stabmag.com

WSL commentator and Lineup co-host Mitchell Salazar returns once again to wrap up an incredible event to crown this year's World Champions from the Lexus Finals. They discuss their winners and losers and John John Florence officially solidifying his dynasty by securing his third World Title and entering the realm of renowned surfers with at least 3x World Titles in Tom Curren, Gabe Medina, Mick Fanning, Andy Irons, Mark Richards, Kelly Slater, Layne Beachley, Carissa Moore, Stephanie Gilmore, and Layne Beachley, Frieda Zamba, Margo Oberg, and Wendy Botha. They also revel at Caity's incredible performance and her securing her first World Title, officially becoming the youngest World Champion in WSL history. They talk about Italo's rampaging run through the bracket, his dominating style of surfing, and how it played in his scoring. Things get heated and contentious after Dave and Mitch bring on a couple producers at the WSL to play a Vissla CT Shaper Rankings Fantasy Snake Draft game in the second segment. Finally, Dave and Mitch close the pod by answering your listener questions. Follow Mitch here. Follow Miguel here. Follow Dylan here. Get caught up from the results of the Lexus WSL Finals. Stay tuned to the EDP Ericeira Pro Presented By Estrella Galicia, Sep 29th - Oct 6. Stay up to date with the rankings. Join the conversation by following The Lineup podcast with Dave Prodan on Instagram and subscribing to our YouTube channel. Get the latest WSL rankings, news, and event info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aquí os dejamos otro programa de La Gran Travesía donde podréis escuchar a Florence and the Machine, Queens Of The Stone Age, Electric Mary, Filthy Friends, Shed Seven, The Turtles, Jeff Healey...y muchos más. Por otro lado aquí os dejamos el enlace a la venta de entradas de la 2ª Edición de la Podcast Party, organizada por La Gran Travesía en el Auditorio del Batel y Palacio de Congresos de Cartagena, el próximo 28 de septiembre. Será con motivo del Día Internacional del Podcast y del 20º aniversario de su nacimiento. Aquí tenéis el enlace para las entradas https://auditorioelbatel.es/evento/podcast-party-2a-edicion-el-batel-cartagena/?sd=1727524800&;;;;;;;;;;;;ed=1727557200 ▶️ Y ya sabéis, si os gusta el programa y os apetece, podéis apoyarnos y colaborar con nosotros por el simple precio de una cerveza al mes, desde el botón azul de iVoox, y así, además acceder a todo el archivo histórico exclusivo. Muchas gracias también a todos los mecenas y patrocinadores por vuestro apoyo: Iñaki Zúñiga, Leticia, Jarebua, Piri, Noni, Norberto Esteban, Arturo Soriano, Gemma Codina, Santi Oliva, Raquel Jiménez, Juan Carlos Ramírez, Leticia, Nicolás SDLRF, Eva Granado, Peiper, Javifer, Francisco Quintana, Pdr_Rmn, Sgd, José Luis Orive, Utxi73, Patri Lb, Raul Andrés, Jbasabe, Iñako GB, Tomás Pérez Martínez, Eugeni, Pablo Pineda, Quim Goday, Enfermerator, María Arán, Joaquín, Edgar Xavier Sandoval, Hörns Üp, Víctor Bravo, Juan Carlos González, Francisco González, Vicente DC, Ángel Hernández, Marcos París, Dani, Vlado74, Daniel A, Redneckman, Elliott SF, Guillermo Gutiérrez, Sementalex, Jesús Miguel, Miguel Ángel Torres, Suibne, Mati, Dora, José Diego … y a los mecenas anónimos.

Episode 8 goes down! We have our second guest on the show John John Florence, two time world surfing champion, widely considered the best surfer on the planet, creator of one of the greatest surf films ever made View From a Blue Moon, nates brother and koas long time childhood friend, an epic conversation about the dark side of winning world titles, surfing under your own brand starting your own company and surfing your absolute best! 

#177 O Boia 177, oferecido pela https://surfliving.pt/ é uma refeição completa, daquela de encher a pança, digo, ideias, sentidos, a capacidade de desenhar cenários, situações e experiências a partir da prosa que viaja pelo tempo e espaço. Júlio Adler, João Valente e Bruno Bocayuva atacaram a lista final do CS e seus personagens mais brilhantes, inusitados e o desfile de John Florence na frente do Ali'i Beach Park. Revisitamos o marcante ano de 77, temporada da estreia do sistema homem a homem no Tour, temperadas com a participação do Daniel Friedman (que lá estava, competindo!), do título mundial de Shaun Tomson e o impacto do clássico cinemático, Free Ride. A trilha sonora também celebra 77, com Iggy Pop e The Passenger abrindo e Suicide, Cheree, fechando. De sobremesa, Tito Rosemberg revela mais uma memória especial, voltando para o Califórnia dos anos 70. Boia é mesa farta. Aproveitem e voltem sempre. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/boia/message

John Florence opens up about life, liberty, and the pursuit of surf filmmaking in an exclusive interview with Stab founder Sam McIntosh. Also, who's trying to buy the WSL? Find out in this episode of The Drop. Timecodes for those who need their crust cut off: - The Noa v. Rasta Rob surf-off(2:00) - The JJF interview (11:00) - Who wants to buy the WSL? (21:15) - Don't drop on Kala Grace (27:22) - SEOTY update (32:45) - Surf sin (37:00)

Smiv and Deadly are back for a good old fashioned mondo ear chew and the boys are on a Nate Florence-style heater as they discuss the middle Floz Bros insane run of global cones, the mind-boggling orb-fest that is Bong's new shred flick Interlusion, the many health benefits of attending a flooded Swellnes Summit, and the mythical Great Sea Cocks possibly bringing our intrepid sailing heroes John Florence and Torren Martyn to an ungodly and untimely end. Finger Buns, Phone Zone, Unders or Overs, Ask us a Question and more fucks than a Roman orgy. Take it fully in Swellians… and let it go.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wing Foil Interview: Sam Loader with PPC Foiling is back on the Blue Planet Show Aloha friends! This is Robert Stehlik, Welcome to another episode of the blue planet show, where I interview wing foil athletes, thought leaders and designers right here in Honolulu, in my home office. And in today's show, I'm interviewing Sam loader, the owner of PPC foiling based in Auckland, New Zealand. We're talking for the second time on the boot planet show. In the first interview, we went more into his background, his business and foiling scene in New Zealand. This time we go over, what's new over the last year and all the equipment he's coming out with. We talk about the soar boards, his new wings the foil he has planned. So stay tuned. You can watch it right here on YouTube with all the good visual content, or you can just listen to it. Audio only as a podcast to search for the blue planet show and your favorite podcast app. Okay. So without further do, here is Sam loader, right? Sam, welcome to the blue planet show back to the boot planet show for the second time. How is everything going for you? Cheer, Rob, thanks for me back. Yeah, it's been it's been a while since the last show. It seemed it seems like, yeah, it was actually a lot's happened. Now it's been going, it's been going really well. It's been going really well. Been extremely busy. I've never been this busy in my life, but At the end of the day, at least we're at least I'm designing, foils something that we love. And so yeah, it's just been pretty full on since so much has happened since last interview that then we it's it's crazy yeah, so hence why the catch up  yeah. So it's, it is great to catch up again and like for anyone listening if you haven't watched the first show, if you're interested in, at Sam's background and so on, just watch that one, we're gonna talk more about your business, your equipment just what we've learned over the last year with what's just changed what's in the coming up in the future. And so on. That's what I wanted to discuss with you mostly. And I have a few questions also from Dan and a few other guys in New Zealand. So I'll try to get to those as. And gonna try to keep it in within an hour or so if we can, but we'll see.  Will you call me up on my birthday? So you a bit of be worth it, Rob? Happy birthday. Yeah. I hope you, are you taking the day off after this? I know it's morning time for you in Auckland, right? Yeah. Honestly, I want to take the day off and I want to say I am, but I'm probably not. I'm probably just gonna do some emails. Probably gonna cover the shop a wee bit. We've got the guys coming in the afternoon. I think Josh is coming in and but yeah, later on, I'll chill out. We'll go out for dinner, stuff like that. Pretty cold in New Zealand now. Yeah. It's winter time for you. Yeah it's dropped a lot. It's certainly not summer anymore, but it's, there's still breeze, so there's still good conditions for testing. And by drop, it's only dropped to about a three, two wetsuit, so it's it's not too bad down south has got some snow, so we've gotta go down there a little later. We, the skis up maybe take a win to the mountain, I always wanted to do that, so yeah. So I'm sure you have a lot of people coming into your shop asking for that are beginners just getting into it. So I, I just wanted to always start the show with some tips for newbies people getting into the sport beginners, what do you tell people? What, what are some tips for people getting into the sport? Yeah, since, I don't know how long it's been since it started, but. I think right now, because there's so much information out there. Like when someone walks in the store, we, we just, my game plan is to try and simplify the whole process. So it's quite, it's overwhelming. When you look around, you can see Royal boards, wings, and people just go, whoa, where do I start? But we've written down like a, the board, the wing really simple, we've actually got some super high volume boards, like one 30 S and stuff. We're doing like a bit of a trade and deal at the moment, so they can buy a bigger board and then they can progress on that for around six months. And then we can switch them out to a board that they're gonna, have for a longer period of time. And then we'll recirculate those bigger boards. It's maybe a bit of a stuff up on my part by having too many big boards in production  so we're just making the opportunity to yeah. To it's just in favor of the New Zealand customer, to make their learning experience a a little quicker. And then yeah, I think when you get the w we've got three, four brands in the shop and then we just, it comes down to a little bit of budget and a little bit of, what the customer wants to spend. So it's. Yeah I think so what volume, like for a beginner, like getting into, do you do you put, send them right out on a floorboard? Do you tell 'em to use a windsurf board first with a dagger board? Or like what and then from the first board, like what kind of volume do you recommend for beginners? Usually? If it's like the one board, I would just say 20, 20 liters above body weight. But we've got Ellen down here at the lake. He's doing lessons and cuz we've got these high volume boards, like 1, 1 30 S and one 40 S we, they can just jump on those. Even if the ad kg they're gonna be super buoyant, they're gonna learn the wing probably quicker than being on like a hundred liter board. And then they can just come back and switch that board out. But I think now it's 20, 20, 30 liters, maybe about body weight. I think the whole trend's obviously coming down boards are getting smaller. Yeah, I think the 50 to the eighties, the kind of the common sizes actually most of mine went all around the world and didn't come here. So I ran out  but yeah, it's I Def I definitely think the whole process for the new guy coming into sport, new girl, come into the sport. It can be simplified a lot, they don't have to have, three wings, three foils two boards. It can be, down to one of each and then they progress and then they come in and get some feedback. Yeah. You want, you wanna be able to get people on going without spending too much money too? Yeah, I always, exactly the main thing I've just noticed people just getting too smaller board, too smaller foil. If you increase those two factors, then the. Process is just gonna be so much easier and so much more fun. And then in terms of learning you said there's somebody doing lessons on a lake kind of smooth water. Like any recommendations you have for the location and then any tips for technique or getting started? Yeah. Yeah. We're pretty lucky with the shop here. We've five minutes down the road. We've got this freshwater lake and Alan operates down here. It's not ti obviously, so he can be there at any time. So flat water it, there are no waves, so it's really stable. So it's really easy to get going on each side. And then we've got the bays, we've got fun pro coast with manly and all these sort of sheltered bays, which get, in like a west to a. Right around to south sort of Southeast. So you've always got that kind of flat water with those winds. So I would just say, just try and stick to the flat water with wind, if you don't have access to a boat. And maybe even just grab a wing, jump on a skateboard or something.  We're doing these little skateboard, you don't have to go on the water straight away. You can grab a wing, jump on the land, go to a big ASALT, concrete area and just get the feel for the wing. I reckon that's been a cool thing. A lot of people are actually getting skateboards lately.  So we're getting these little what have we got on the shop? These slide carvers and yeah, they're selling pretty well with the wing. Which is pretty cool. Nice. Yeah. That's a great way to learn as well. All right. And then terms of the, like I know during the pandemic, probably a lot of people got into a sport. I know here in Hawaii, like it was, there was like booming and we never had enough inventory like last couple years, but then it seems to tr be transitioning where the demand's kind of slowing down a little bit or the growth seems to be slowing on. Do you and here in Hawaii anyways, are you experiencing the same thing in New Zealand? Yeah. Yeah. It was funny, couldn't, could it get enough stock? Couldn't get it in time. It was just frustrating at the time I remember. And then it all arrived at once and , we did, we were just like full and then it the demand dropped off at the same time. So it was funny, but we actually had a seriously busy summer last summer.  I was actually really surprised. It was extremely busy. We went through everything and yeah, at the pandemic, there was a massive demand for gear, but which did drop off, I don't know, it just spiked, but then it dropped off and now it's flattened out but I'm still seeing new B newbies coming into the sport, which is cool. Yeah, so actually speaking of the pandemic, so it I know in New Zealand, you pretty much had no cases for a long time and you were able to keep COVID out of New Zealand, but seems like recently, it's you guys have COVID too now, right in New Zealand and it's like more prevalent or. Yeah, I think it's, everybody's just getting it really . Have you gotten COVID yet? Oh yeah. I've had it. And then we've got, we've got like a bit of a social win group developing, good friends and, one of them each weeks dropping down with it. But, it's that majority is just like a little cold and then that bitter in a week, and most people are vaccinated by now. So it's not as bad as was early on. Yeah. And no more shutdowns. Is that, do you still have shutdowns or like what are no nothing like that. Kind of wish we, I shouldn't say it wish we did click it. Click and collect. Collect was working out pretty well getting on the water  but yeah, no we haven't had the shutdowns. I think the government just realizes everybody's gonna get this and and most will get better and yeah, move on and yeah, just get back in the water. I, after I got it, I just got in the water as soon as I could and made sure I flushed out the salt water and yeah. Yeah. It's it's, it's not as bad as we think it is. I think we need to just yeah, carry on. Yeah. It depends on the person too. Like I've had ki I had a, kind of a cough for a long time that didn't go away, which is really frustrating, but but yeah, the, oh, you hit it. You, yeah, I had it like in December and then it took me like several months to get over the coughing, like it wasn't that bad the COVID itself, but it had this. Tickling in my throat and I kept having, like having a coughing thing going on. I'm too. I'm too weak. If I cough, just sorry about that, but  no, it's fine. No, it's getting better. I honestly feel much better after wing foiling, honestly. All I can remember every, everybody in the world, if you get COVID take up wing foiling, cuz it'll get you better quicker. Yeah. This salt water flushing helps.  Yeah. But tell us a little bit about the foiling scene in Auckland and New Zealand. Like what, are, is there certain spots where everyone goes is it pretty busy and like how big is it compared to other water sports and stuff like that? I'm curious. Yeah. It's funny. Cuz it's I'm noticing like it's just foiling, winging was the thing now it's I'm noticing all these little categories are emerging and the wing has allowed people to get into toe or, or pump or wake or, we're even starting some races here at Auckland, which getting pretty popular. Down winding, there's a bunch of guys that I downwind with every now and then it's, I'm actually loving it. It's it's, I don't know, kind an endless wave for an hour and a half. So we do it from, it depends where we do it. So we have a couple of spots they're about 20 K maybe. And now we're just thinking, do we need the wing? Maybe we'll just drop the wing and get, maybe get a pedal and just see if we can do it without the wing. I know my friend, Jason my friend who I met down winding one day I was just going past him the other day and just, I just threw in my wing and he grabbed it. I just said, just grab my wing. And then I just keep down winding, like just without it. And, just to be without a wing and just have your vision open right up is pretty awesome. No, I think like the wing has definitely helped, like all these separate foil categories emerge and grow and people probably wouldn't have the confidence to do that if the wing hadn't come along. So it's pretty awesome like that, I think. Yeah. And it seems like the whole down wind equipment improved a lot too. Like you, you can get BOS out that are more narrow, faster, a little bit longer for down wind foiling, on a scent with a paddle. Cuz when I started, I was just using my regular. Stand up surfing board, which was pretty short and wide, but it's really not ideal for catching bumps. And it was definitely hard work to even just get a bump and get up on the foil, and then by the time I got up on foil, I was so exhausted.  that I couldn't stay on very long usually, but yeah, I think I definitely want to get into that again, as. Yeah. So you're you, I I know, Hawaii obviously is you're the leaders of the down winding side of things. You've got some pretty, pretty leading shapers brands there, which we all look at, but is that kind of emerging over there? Just the downwind side of things. Oh yeah. There's a pretty big crew here that does the downwind foiling. There's yeah. A bunch of guys, they call themselves Voyager. They go on pro boards. Actually they catch a breaking wave and then pump out and then do downloaders on prone boards, but if they fall in, they're not able to get back up again front, in the bumps, they need to paddle into the surf zone and then catch another one. But there's also quite a few guys doing it with Santa paddle boards. And I want to get back. That's how we got into winging. Derek and my friend, Jeff, we were just down winding on Santa foil boards. And then when the wings came on and we're like, oh, let's try that. And then it was just so much easier, yeah. It's nice having the backup of a wing. And like you were, we were considering like doing the whole deflate thing. We've got these little mini travel pumps that we can. Take out and do that. But I think I think the goal now is just I have designed a downwind board we, yeah, we'll just start seeing if we can do it on those. It's gonna, I think it's gonna be a bit of a learning curve, but a fun one. It's like the challenge of the wing, and I don't think we're gonna, it's not like we're gonna ditch winging. It's just like another. That we're gonna be doing, in the right condition. To me, it's just yeah. Without the wing, these things just probably wouldn't have emerged so fast. I don't know if we would've been thinking like this, but yeah. Yeah. If anyone wants to get into downward filing James Casey has a great podcast and goes into a lot of detail on, how to do it and like what, how to get into it and stuff like that, which is I think really good. He's very passionate about it. He's a bit of a freak he's yeah, definitely watching him and learning quite a bit. A lot of us here watching his spot, his YouTube videos and stuff like that. I was just wondering, are you on a, are you on a mobile computer? Can you give us a little tour of your shop? Can you walk around a little bit or is it like a desktop or something? Oh, it's good. Yeah. I've actually, yeah. Give us a little tour of what I blocked. It's a small shop. I blocked the front door with the w so no, see, yeah. Welcome. What are the foils you have it looked, I just saw some axis. What are those stab foils? We've got a few it's scattered everywhere at the moment. So yeah, we've got some access. We've got some sub, we've got some, we've got some lift and then, yeah, just a big bunch of boards here and that's it. Yeah. Wow. So you basically, every pretty much everything in your store is foiling or wing, foiling related cuz I, I know you originally you started as a standup paddle brand. And, but seems like you pretty much transitioned to all foil stuff. Yeah, I've got some stops just sitting down the back kind of collecting dust, but yeah, hopefully someone comes along and people come in and do that. But I, I still thinks surf and it's pretty cool sport, so hopefully it doesn't fade away to nothing, but yeah it's definitely a win specific shop. I, we are the only win specific shop, the other shops. They do a bit of everything.  Even wet suits, we gotta approach the other day. Not I'm like, oh, I don't know if I wanna sell wet suits. It's just gonna, it's just gonna complicate things.  But we down the street called Barry's point road, it's like kind of the street for toys. There are three other sort of surf. There's backdoor, there's another one up the road. There's one next to us and they all sell that sort of stuff. So  yeah, the shop's gonna, we're gonna get surfboards, just fun boards in the summer. I think there's a bit of a market it's emerged, so that's gonna be cool. Just bright, fun boards and stuff like that.  But yeah we're pretty much full wing specific and yeah really specialized in it. Just feel and everybody here, wings who works here, so it's pretty cool. We've got some really talented wing forwarders that are working here too. Yeah. Right on. So I wanted to talk a little bit about your the soar boards. Like we recently got those in stock and just share the yeah. We it took a long time for the, for us to get them. I think it took six months or something to shipping to from Vietnam to Hawaii. It took quite a while. But but we do have them in stock now and I've been testing it. I have the one right behind me here. And and yeah I just wanna talk a little bit about the boards and get your have you talk a little bit about them? Yeah, absolutely. Tell us a little bit about the whole design thing and yeah, actually I have a little video too, so I did wanna share that. Let me Go to that, but yeah. Tell us a little bit about the design and everything and I'll just play this video in the background a little bit. Yeah. Cool. So this is this is basically the saw is I guess evolution from the glide, which is our, which was our first kind of wing, specific board that we did that I designed. So this is quite a small size. This is on the 34th, just so you can see it. The popular sizes are the 50, 50 liter up 50 to 90 liter boards. I've actually got 10 sizes. Now I just chucked in all these extra sizes to fill the gaps. I don't think there's any downside of having too many sizes now  between sort of 30, hundred liters. So yeah, the whole design behind the sport and the change was basically just. Flattening the tail and just losing all kind of that be that we had on the glide. And just keeping the board really flat through here. And I always just want to keep that kind of surf look of our boards with the nose. I don't know, to me, it just feels you're still on a surfboard. You've still got that kind of like responsive kind of surfboard of feel. I don't know. I know a lot of boards are going square, but trying to keep the outline surfboard, wing board as much as I can. And then just a little concave in the deck. But the main unique kind of factor with these sports and we haven't really gone over it. That much is a construction. Yeah. So tell us a bit about the construction. Yeah. So they're made in, they made in Vietnam. They made in one of, probably one of the leading factories in the world. So each board actually has their own specific mold. So each size, each model has a mold. It's Amania mold. So the cause basically formed in that mold. And it's, it forms a perfect core, like CNC, you get a little bit of aeration, a little bit of non-perfect kind of feel finish or whatever. So you get a really perfect core. And then after you've got that core, the whole board's basically wrapped in PVC. A, about a milk of HD and then the whole carbon out there, and it gives you this kind like I, if you have you squeezed them, kindy, concrete feel even though super light. So it really, like more, I think wing foiling, like really pushing boards and putting a lot of stresses on boards. We've seen like tracks coming out. We've seen, things happen to other boards, but it's funny cuz this construction process has meant that. We haven't really, we haven't had any issues. We haven't had any warranties, we haven't had anything. So it's been cool that. We can like confidently just sell a board, which is gonna last, and I think that's, when I was younger, I used to buy surfboards. I used to get just over the fact that they're just soften up or break down after a while. But even though these are double the price for manufacturing they, that they'll last forever. That just yeah. I was gonna share this video and maybe I can talk a little bit about my impressions of the board too. Yeah. I, the one I tested that's beyond me, that's the 83 liter model, which it's actually a little bit bigger than the one I used and I used like a Mount on my strut of my wing. Yeah. But yeah, so the board is a little bit bigger and wider than the one I was used to, but it felt really nice. And on, on a lighter wind day, Definitely makes it a lot easier to get going when you have that more stable board, and then also I really like the concave shape that it, when you're kneeling on the board, it just kinda feels real solid. Like you can of almost that, that I guess that concave deck, it feels like you can almost push your knees against it on the side. So it makes it feel nice and stable. So that's something I noticed that for getting up on foil, it was, it felt really good for that. I actually, I wanted to ask you why you like I know on your original boards, you had like longer fin boxes, but then on this one, on the store boards, you just have the regular size us boxes, right? Yeah. So the long, yeah, the, there was nothing against the long boxes, but they just add. Quite a bit of weight  that we didn't want, when you have a long box, the whole thing's HD it's, top to bottom deck to the base. So it just added unnecessary weight. I felt we could just position the box in the right spot after testing a lot of different sizes and just get it in the right spot. And we tested a lot of different four brands and they all worked in that spot. So I don't know, yeah. Reducing the weight was just Yeah. The main factor on that one. I've gone. I I feel like the regular size boxes are fine. Yeah, but yeah, this was wondering if you, yeah. Why what you're thinking was on the, it was just to wait for honestly, when I think people are getting more CRI like kind of not picky, but they can be right. It's a lot of money to invest in a board. And yeah, a light, a Lightboard is something that people look for. It's nice to have a Lightboard under your feet and, if you can make it light and strong, I think it's just a winning combo. So yeah I'm, I'm glad you said that about the concave, because it, although it gives you quite a kind of thick looking rail, it, when you're in it, you feel a little, I think, a little more locked in just being a little closer to the foil. So that's cool that you notice that. Yeah, that definitely. And then also having that flat tail, for Bo and the Y tail, it feels very stable because it is so wide in the tail as well. And then just having a flat bottom definitely helps especially I'm using a more high aspect foil now and which you can't really pop it up at a steep angle. You just have to slowly ramp it up. And for that kind, for those kind of foils, especially I think having any kind of kick in the tail doesn't really help much, cuz you wanna just go start it more flat and slowly come up instead of popping up the foil, so I've noticed that for kind of more high aspect flows that shape definitely seems to work well, you. Yeah, it's almost like the sport is like a simple version. The, our first board, I think it was good, but it was a bit it had a lot of chime it, I think we are just maximizing the surface area. And then once, once you lift off, so you don't want, you don't want much board under your feet. So I guess the goal with designing the sport was the most stable board for the size. And I think we achieved that pretty well. So I'm stuck on these boards. I think people are gonna love them really good feedback so far. Yeah, it's cool. Right on. Yeah. And then I just wanted to ask again too, about the, your volume recommendation. You said rider weight plus 20, 20 kilograms or so And then just to be clear, like that's the weight in kilograms. So if you're like, like it's always, you have to convert it first from pounds to kilograms if you're in the us. So one or two, 2.2 pounds is one kilogram. Yeah. So you have to take your wa body weight and pounds divided by 2.2. And that gives you your weight and kilograms, and then add 20 kilograms to that. That's a pretty good weight for beginner inter intermediates. And then as you get better, you can have more, lower and lower volume, but you don't want to go low volume too early, cuz yeah. It's a lot harder to, to write a smaller board, yeah. I, even for myself, I think I'm going to increase my volume, which is which sounds weird, but I've been writing 52 liters. Is it 52? Yeah. 52 liters. Yeah, the 52. I keep forgetting the volumes, even though I designed them all. So yeah, I've been riding that one a lot. But honestly I get a little caught out on the light breeze and don't really wanna drive around with three boards in the van. I think I'm gonna chop between two. So I'm gonna use like a, the new 68 and the 82 for the light days. So yeah I wanted to go as small as possible, but did that and I, I could ride the 39 liter or whatever, but I don't know. I just, now I just wanna be comfortable. And I, if I want to if I get off the, for I'm still on a really short board, like I think, four eight is a really short board, in my opinion.  You can still really carve it around and just have that volume if the wind drops or something in your session to get going. Yeah. I think that's the thing, like in lighter on lighter wind days, if you're on a really small board, you tend to then wanna basically you have to use a bigger wing or something that you have to make up for it, because you want to be able to get going. So yeah. Then you have to use a bigger wing to be able to get going on a smaller board. And that's a trade off too, cuz it's nice to have a smaller wing when you're, especially when you're on a wave or something like that. It's always a trade off, and yeah, smaller, isn't always better necessarily. I would say no. I talk, I speak to people with the windsurfing and the same thing I think happened, everyone went as of small as they could and then came back a little bit and then every, and you find your kind of comfortable volume so that, that's a thing that I've just realized in myself. So I'll just, I'll hand it on to people coming in the store or whatever. Yeah. And then in saying that. We're I've we, we are introducing a so pro, which is gonna be 53 63, 73, 83 liters. And it's just gonna be that kind of that's 23. Yeah. What is it, 23 kinda with I think there's a little bit of a need for that. Narrowish kind of board, just to give you a bit of responsiveness and as people are progressing, they're wanting a smaller board under their feet, so . Yeah. So this is basically based on the same shape, just a little bit narrower, the pro version. Okay. And if flat a deck and no concave, so I've planted the deck off, squeezed a bit more volume in and narrowed the board. And it, I think it's gonna be a cool one with the race scene. And it's just got a slightly wider. Stands. Okay. So yeah, I just wanted to mention again, we do have those, so boards in stock now here at blue planet and our website price includes free shipping in the us. So it's a pretty, pretty nice price. They're not cheap, but like you said the weight and size, the weight and strength ratio is excellent. And these are the sizes we have 34 years, 52 liters, eighty three hundred, five hundred thirty, a hundred forty four. So that's how you name the models too, by the volume, right? I think, yeah, we name them by the volume and it confuses the sh the crap out of the factory. Yeah. It's yeah I don't know. I think volumes a good indicator for a board, maybe in a shop for, for your staff and stuff, selling them for the customer. It I don't know. What do you think it's it I think it's the most important number for, like for wing board probably is the volume I would I would say, yeah, I think it's that makes sense, but of course also the width and the length and all that kind of stuff is important as well. But definitely the volume is the first thing I, I would look Yeah. So yeah, I, they are pricey, but they are around probably double what a board maybe cost in China to make. So one, once people, if they pick them up, feel them, understand the construction process and know that the board's gonna last a lot longer. And then the resale values, obviously a lot easier or higher you can justify that price. Yeah. Yeah. If only people compared to other yeah. Other brands are in that same price range too, the Armstrong. And if they're, if it's a good high quality construction, it costs some money. I always think in life, there's gotta be a reason why you pay more for something. I was listening to a pretty funny podcast last night about like threads and textiles and like sheets and the whole thread count thing is like a complete ish. Like it's not correct just saying you've got high thread count. It's the actual quality of the cotton and the weave.  I think it's called Brooklyn sheets or something. It's a us based company, but it's a really interesting podcast actually. I listened to a lot of business podcasts, but that was just one of them. And I think this is, yeah I, myself I would feel, I would feel wrong selling something at a high price for no reason. So this is the reason they do cost double to make. They do have their own mold that you've gotta invest in. And yeah they are significantly lighter and stronger, I think, than a lot of boards on the market. So I'm pretty stoked went with that. Yeah. You also just sent me this picture of a new model you have coming out. You wanna mention that real quick? Oh, cool. Yeah, that, that's the link. That's the downwind board I mentioned earlier. So the link, the linking, the waves yeah. It's narrower, a lot of volume impact in To one board and obviously it's got the 16 tracks. I think with the longer board, a little bit of adjust, a little bit more adjustability is quite a good thing. I think you'll be going a little bit further forward, maybe for the downwind and stuff like that. And then you can see it's hard to see, but you've got these sort of channels up the side where the tracks are, it's obviously flat, but the channels run all the way up the board. So they almost set like fins all the way down the board. So they keep you tracking. So one, one of the things when you're paddling, the board goes side to side. So the design behind these boards that you'll track.  and then that'll assist you with, popping up on the foil, cuz you're gonna be straight. You're not gonna be using your body to keep the board straight so much. So did you design this as a downwind standup foil board or for wing foiling? Downwinders downwind. Standup pedal board. Yeah, but the, I think the smaller side, 90, 91 liters. So it could be a bit of a crossover. But yeah, ultimately designed it for Darwin stand up pedal it's a hundred percent with a pedal. Okay. I also wanted to ask you real quick on the the leash plugs. You have one that's off centered Over here. So I was just curious yeah, I'm using the off centered one to, to test it out and I guess it helps with the board not coming straight back at you. Is that what the thinking is behind that? Yeah it actually happened to me. I was just, I was about a year ago. I was wing foiling at one of our local places AWA and I came down a wave and then I just crashed really fast. Everything happened really fast. Like it does when you crash and the board just Slingshot it into my head and I got like seven stitches here, which was , which is pretty funny. And then it was it's actually Josh, a guy that Josh Armit, who works in the shop. He is one of my team riders and he actually, I'm not gonna claim this. He suggested just why don't you just offset a li So it, so the fall just grabs and doesn't come straight back at your head. So I did. So there is a reason why that thing is offset. And when you're going super fast, if you do have a crash like Josh, Armit doing 32 knots sometimes, and you have a crash, it is quite nice to not have that board slinging at your yeah. It's attached, especially if you have a shorter leash, I guess Yeah, exactly. I don't think Josh actually uses a leash when he does his speed runs, which is a good idea. Oh, okay.  all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you a couple questions that Dan Regan sent to me. So first of all, he said pro in terms of product marketing, as an example we both sell each other's products. So you have some boot planet products in your shop. I sell your products in my shop. Yeah. And you have your alien. Yeah. You have our alien wings and some of the boards in your shop and so on. And you both have the same issue. The boards are not known in Hawaii and the alien wings are not well known in New Zealand. It's an interesting challenge. Just, can you talk a little about that and like how. Yeah. The challenge of selling something that people are not as familiar with. How do you do that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point. Familiarity generally helps us sell pretty, for a shot, that it's if it's like anything, if you focus on it and you spend a bit of time out there on it and you talk to people at the beach, I know Dan he's always at the beach, he's always out there winging he's in coy, which is pretty cool, cuz it's a different part of Auckland. So I mean he's out there all the time. We've got them in the shop. I'm about to start riding them and I, I'm looking at them and I'm going they look really cool for down windows cuz they've got their Dhara I know they're gonna fly flat. I can just tell by looking at them. So yeah we're, we've actually minimized our wings to actually we only sell at the moment. Your wing and our wing in the shop. And I know that kind of sounds a little biased, but there's just been a lot of wings been bought into New Zealand. So we've just simplified it a lot.  So yeah, I think I'm loving the big window and your wing. I was gonna ask you why did you actually call it the alien? What did you see a UFR when you were away?  Like I, when I just saw some video of me using it it looks I thought it looked a little bit like the head of an alien with the funky oval eyes, but the, those windows, cuz originally I had one prototypes with the window and without a window. Yeah. And and I found actually the windows. If anything, I actually liked the way it worked better with the windows for some reason, I think maybe because the location and having maybe a little bit more stretch right there where the windows are actually helps with the profile of the wing. Maybe I don't know why, but it felt really good. The one with the, sorry, go ahead. People commented. They've seen it in the shot and they've just gone. Oh my gosh. I can see everything. I think it's really cool. And the wind, the wing feels really clean. I reckon it's gonna be, yeah, it's gonna do really well. Yeah. It has a nice profile. The yeah, it has like a really stiff lot of tension in the wing itself, like pretension. Yeah. I noticed it's a lot thicker than ours through here through the hole. So pretty a pretty beefed up wig. Yeah. Rigid frame. So on. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. That's the idea behind it. But yeah. Let's talk a little bit about about your new wing design. So what's what's new on your wings? The main thing with our wing was getting it a little lighter. So we just we rearranged the whole panel layout to just simplify it. We played around with the, I don't know if I spoke about that last time. It was probably after, but we actually, we tested a hundred percent different panels. And then we landed on just using these panels, Chuck it in here, because these are the panels, which take the load. You actually, yeah, you just avoid a lot of stretch through here with the, it seems like that's always where the wing tends to wrinkle. I get wrinkles when it's powered up. So yeah, I could see that. Yeah. The wing itself the wing tips, we pulled them in a little bit. Some people were complaining with the surge. It was a little bit spany  so we pulled the tips in changed the panel layout, different windows, and the slide changed the handle positions as well, a little bit just to balance it out. But yeah, it's honestly pretty similar. It's pretty similar field but it is a lot different at the same time. So  I think ultimately the canopy might last a bit longer having this play. And then in terms of the play you said you tried the whole wing and like rein has that one wing. That's all XLY. And but what was your experience with that and why didn't you go full XLY on the wings? Like what was the downside of it? I just didn't like the weight of it. And I just, it, it's super powerful. There's no doubt about that. But I think to me personally, it was just to a point where it was almost too powerful and it was just a bit too kind of jerky or whatever. And I think with wings, just weight is a big one. We're seeing it with new materials and stuff emerging on the market, bringing the weight down and, these materials are super expensive. I think a lot of brands are maybe fighting for them at the moment, but yeah I just wanted to keep the weight down while having a powerful win. If I think if you, for the smaller sizes, you're gonna be on a lot of winds, the weight's taken away with the wind, but then the biggest sizes, you're always gonna feel that weight. I think, especially with anyone learning, if you can. If it's, if you don't feel as much wing, it's gonna be a it's to handle the wing, it's gonna be a lot easier. See it's a tough one. It's a tough one when you're designing these things. Yeah. Yeah. It's always, it's always a compromise between different things, right? Yeah. But Dan's asking here, where do you see wing tech going? And are we going to see wings becoming more genre specific now that racing and freestyles freestyles seem to be diverging more? Are we going to see wings designed specifically for high speed versus more freestyle free riding? I think so. Yeah. I always wanted to do a carbon laminate wing the Mo cells, they have like a. Full carbon laminate, probably shouldn't say on here, given away my idea anyway I, but look it's not gonna be a big part of the market. You, I might make 10. We were gonna, we were talking about it last year, doing a full carbon laminate wing. The wings' probably gonna retail for $5,000. It's not a, it's certainly not a recreational wing. It's a performance wing and it's yeah, it, yeah. You'll use it racing, but then I don't know. I think wings, we're still at the stage where it's Rick and they do stretch. They do, they, they have a lifespan. Yeah. I think we'll see some, like the thing is, I don't think we haven't seen huge changes in the last two years. They're still inflatable. Most brands are still using the same canopy material. Some brands are using different Decron substitutes. And I mean that's alter and obviously rigid handles but we haven't, I don't think we've seen massive developments yet, to be honest. I think I might have mentioned last time, we'd see a rigid w with a, carbon frame, but we haven't really seen that yet. And I think Kylie needed a video, yeah. With the rigid wing. Yeah. Mean, it seems like obviously it would have less drag if you have a smaller leading edge diameter. But I dunno if it's yeah. Yeah. I just, I feel like there's still a, I think inflatables, it's the way this, the way they are, the way they can pack down the way you can travel with them. The way there aren't too many moving parts. It's like they're actually a pretty genius design  so I don't know. I isn't that maybe that's just saying, they are a genius design they're ahead of themselves. That's why they haven't progressed that much. I think they're getting cleaner. They're getting lighter. They're more balanced. All these things are like awesome.  Cause that's where they need to go. For pure enjoyment, feeling something balanced is amazing. But, yeah I don't know if we're gonna see like a lot of rigid wings out there sold to, especially newbies coming into sports. Probably not a good thing. Having anything hard on your wing actually, when you, for sure. Yeah, definitely not for entry level, but I could see it becoming more specialized where people just like trying to milk every little bit of speed out of their equipment. I was talking to Alan ADE about they have like race the summer racing now, Maui and and he is talking about the foils they use and the boards and wings everything's optimized for speed, but its a different. Like you said, I, that was that was pretty cool to see that we actually, yeah, we've got some races of our own developing here in Auckland up at manly yacht club. And it's pretty cool guys, like Russell COO through, out there on the boat, like he's a bit of a legend sailor, so he's out there of watching us they're gold medalist, wind. Surfacers doing these races. There are surfers coming in, obviously I'm a surf, so there are all these different kind of backgrounds coming into these into racing and yeah, they're certainly pushing things, but yeah, I think the whole the most developing part of the sport's probably been the foil in my opinion so far. Yeah. Quickly helping out of the school. The other thing I wanted to ask you about is this the shim, like we, we sell these shims too, and they're super convenient because you can slide it in without removing the foil completely or you have, you can put the foil on and then just slide the shim in and as like a one degree tilt. So can you talk a little bit about what your thoughts behind that and oh, you got one right there, so I'm gonna stop this screen sharing. You can show it and talk a little bit about it and how it works and what how you use it. Yeah. Okay. The shim it's important to note that it's nothing to do with the foil. It's just the pitch of the. I don't want to confuse any everybody, so it's nothing to do with the foil, the foils shimmed out with towel shims. So we're not changing anything to do with the foil. All we're doing is changing the angle of attack of the board. So some people actually a writer, Adam Bennetts he flips it round and puts it at the back of his board. He likes that feel that it gives him to his foil. Most writers just slide it in at the front of the board and it noses up the board a little bit. So it's just basically gonna give you a little bit of added front foot pressure. Or it's gonna just, the boards now are gonna be like that a little bit. So when you touch down, you're just gonna pop up instead of maybe touching down and nose diving or whatever, it's. It's just a feel thing. Not, our boards don't have to have it. I ride our boards without it. I ride it with it. I prefer it with now. All the time. I'm just used to it. It's just that it just gives you like a nice kind of front foot pressure. I think it's gonna be pretty, pretty good for racing. It speeds too. Just getting the board angled just up a little bit. So you can just push down a bit harder when you wind up at certain speeds. So go, yeah. This is molded, so it's not 3d printed. There's a few 3d printed ones on the market. We tried that they break. So this can get hammered. There's actually quite a bit of pressure. That's loaded on these, but the bolts and the foil. And you can use it. You can slide it up and down, so you don't have to use the whole one degree. You can go to 0.5 or yeah, no, totally. I think, and it's amazing how much that one degree of difference. You can definitely feel it. And I think where it really makes a difference if you. Or if you see a video of yourself and you're flying at high speeds and the noses angle downwards a little bit at, you gotta push the nose downward a little bit to keep the foil from over foiling basically. Then that means if you do get close and your nose kind of touches down a little bit, that you get like a really rapid deceleration and especially for like toe foiling or something like that high speeds, you never want the nose to be pointing downwards when you're going fast. So I think that's where that Chi and sh shimming it. So the nose is up a little bit is really helpful for that, cuz yeah, like you said, when you touch down at high speed it's much easier to recover from it when your nose is pointed up a little bit versus downwards. And then, but I've also had people say that when they put it on the backside to. Give the foil a bit more angle. Because it does increase the angle of the front wing by one degree as well when you're not foiling, so it does help at the takeoff speed is, it's a little bit easier to take off. You got like more built in angle of attack to take off. And when you do shim it when you put it in the front, you do have to make up for that by putting maybe a little bit more weight on the tail to lift off. I think, yeah. And it does make a little bit of, it has a little bit of effect on the foil too. These are just little toe boards, but it's because the board's so short it's, I've been using it a lot with Tofor and I've been getting more and more into Tofor then lately with the jet ski. Yeah. But there's not a lot of boards having the Shem just. You're going a bit faster too. So it's it gives you a little bit more kind of confidence when get into a critical turn. You've got the nose up and yeah. Just, I don't know, feels good, but yeah, I'm loving, really loving my TOEFL lately. Just the speed of it and just, yeah, we've been heading down to Ragland quite a bit and other places and towing places where nobody is and it's just been pretty incredible. So that's been cool. Awesome. Yeah. So what like for you to get really big waves, like what small directions do you do you need. So for Ragland, as it's on the west coast of New Zealand, we need just really big sort of south Southwest, west swells. Anything over sort of four meters produces about a double or triple overhead wave. Not like your swell not that big ocean swell that you guys get, but we get some pretty solid swells. So a friend of mine, and those are usually in your winter time, when it's winter, that's when the Southwest release are probably big. Or yeah. It's yeah, it is more winter, but it's been all over the place lately. I don't know what's going on. We actually had some pretty good swells over the summer down there. But yeah, U usually we have winter, we haven't had a cyclone on the east side of the new Zealand's kind of Usually pretty small compared to the west. No, Ragland's good. It's got a boat ramp it's safe and yeah, hitting out there quite a bit with a mate Daniel. No, it's been good. We're both learning a lot of stuff. And yeah, the crucial thing with towing is having a good tow partner. So someone you can trust and have fun with and talk about gear and, mix it up and, yeah, it's good. Yeah, definitely. And you want someone that's like my friend, Jeff Chan, you just like under pressure, he's like super calm and never gets freaked out or, it's always oh, it's okay. There's a huge wave coming at the ski stall or whatever. He's oh, don't worry. We'll get it going again.  and then, and that's how you figure it out, but. Yeah, if you freak out, that does never helps, right?  oh, absolutely. You, yeah. You can never be too safe or too calm in the ocean and yeah, no, it's yeah. Cool. Calm and collected is key . Yeah. So in terms of wing filing, are you working on any new moves or like what what are you, what any goals for your, for yourself or like progressing. I've honestly, I've been working, I've been working so hard lately on new products and new things. And just getting even like accessories, like a vrap and these things take so much time. So I've been relying on our team riders around here to do the moves and the speed runs and the back flips and the wave riding for me. Yeah, it's yeah, I think since since the pandemic or whatever, it's been just really crucial to be really. Closer than ever to your factory or to your, your, designer, factory, whatever. We have a new wing designer now. So we're working on the new wing, but that's gonna be 20 late, 20, 23 new models. I think we're just gonna, we're gonna I think, slow things down, do things that kind of make more sense, release them in a kind of a timely manner. I think I, I don't know for me to me, a lot of companies are releasing things, a little, like little too fast. And I wanna slow things down and make it, make it really make sense when you're release something. Yeah, that's been nice thing. No, I agree with that. Just as an example, like Jimmy Lewis his boards don't really change. Like he doesn't really have a season, it's he just has his board models and they're available. And it helps retailers too, because they don't just, you don't have to discount it after a year, because it's still the same model for next year. Yeah, if you, like in unlike other brands, like star wars, for example, they always have a new season. Everything changes, all new colors and sizes and shapes and whatever. And then all the old stuff is considered obsolete or whatever, so then you have to discount it. And and it's really not obsolete and, they, and they always say it's way better, but how mu how much can you improve it every year? 30 years, so yeah. Exactly. So something to me has, if it's way better than why is it way better? What have you done? What, how's it different? Yeah, a hundred percent and yeah, it's every retailer's nightmare to have a sale all the time. And yeah. I don't know. I think because the sports it's, we're still in the early days, I think. Like it's rushed your head really quickly with development, but I think we're still in the early days, I think we're gonna still see a lot of new people come into the sport. And we are getting creative here in the shop this summer, figuring out how we're gonna, target more kind of mainstream maybe lines of media to get new people into the sport. Our wings are gonna be available on a air New Zealand air airports website. So that's that's interesting because a lot of people that have never heard of wing foiling are gonna see these wings and go, what is this? I think that's cool. We're gonna do a bit of a video and go around like a mall and go up to people and go, have you guys heard a wing foiling and make a bit of an. So I'll post that one up in a few months, but I think, generally when you go around like maybe a place like New Zealand or whatever, most people haven't heard of it. So it's still it's still so niche. It's still pretty small in my opinion. And it's still got a long way to go. Yeah. That's a couple of questions that Dan asked as well. Like how do you get more people into winging? I agree that was still early days for sure. know? Sure. Dan, and then also, and then the second question was how did you, how were you able to get the wings out globally for the small TV based New Zealand brand? How were you able to get, do the expand globally and how do you get, how do you do that part. Ah, don't ask me about the global question. No,  no, that was, I don't know, still no. Okay. To Dan needs to come in the shop I already asked him to do jet ski lessons with me. We need to do that together. I want Dan in here a couple of days a week. So there you go, Dan. I know you've got your day job, but you would be critical to have in the shop. You're great salesman. You're great with people. And we, we talk a lot together, so we couldn't probably wouldn't get much done. Yeah. In terms of the w globally I think it was like anything, like when you listen to all these like podcasts and stuff, it's all about timing. And we just had a good wing at the right time and managed to get it around. The right people got up to south border, got a good review out. Got it. Around at least we had it around five or six key international sellers and that grew to about 30. So now we're selling into about 30 different countries. I don't know it's kind of social media is the platform. Maybe you can grow things fast than what you could have in the past. You can, you can come out with great videos and photos and content. And I think it, if you do it right, you can get that kind of exposure. And someone in, Singapore rang me last week. They saw me on us on Instagram and they, now we've got someone in Singapore and it's it's cool. It's just growing like that at the moment. So yeah, we're getting about two more, two international sales a month at the moment. So nice. Yeah. Before it gets too busy, I'll probably cap it.  Yeah. So I always wanted to ask you that too. What is your vision for PPC? Like how do you see it? Like in five years? Like what's your company gonna be like? And what's your vision for that? Yeah, it's seriously a good question. I've sat down with a bunch of, few people who've done a three, five year plan. And to me, cuz I'm still the sole owner of this company. Don't ask me why or how, but it, I've got to a point where it's definitely almost out outgrown me especially having the shop and the brand. And it's, it made me realize maybe I focus on one or the other, keep both have one managed, fo my, my love is product development. So to me I'll certainly focus on the brand and PBC for me is just about coming up with products, which makes sense. And like our term is optimize your forwarding experience. So every product that we design it, it needs to optimize your forwarding experience. If it doesn't, then there's no point doing it to me. I re so I really wanna, yeah, just keep slowly adding products where I see fit to just, better the experience of the rider who's foiling and whatever they're doing. These little UFO to boards are pretty, they're tiny little things, I didn't think we'd sell them. But we're selling them internationally, which is crazy. And people actually laughed at me when I was doing the downwind board. They said why are you doing that? Like down? I don't know what, such a small market, but I don't know. just, when I get onto something I just love designing things. Who knows how big paddle down winding's gonna get, but, it's there certainly, and I think people are gonna get into it and we're gonna see all these categories of foiling expand and foiling is definitely a sport where it's sticking around. It's like surfing, it's its own thing now. Surfing's still growing, I think globally, like five, 5% a year. Foiling, it's pretty cool that we're in that it's a it's its own thing. Yeah. Cool. But it sounds like you're not focused just on growth. It's more like you wanna provide cool products for the market and just relevant and have innovative designs and things like that. Yeah. It's cool. Cause I don't have anyone to answer to and it's I'm my own boss. Like you it's yeah, I a hundred percent just wanna do products. That makes sense. And that I want to do and you know that I see fit that fit into it and yeah, it's I, I think, it's funny cuz we've got boards, we've got wings, we've got, accessories, foot straps. Everything's coming in, but we don't have a foil.  sorry. So yeah. So we talked about wings and boards. So let's talk about foils a little bit. You mentioned that you are working on a foil design now your own foil design, is that right? Yeah. Yeah, it's correct. It's funny cuz I've had, I've actually had a foil on file for five, five and a half years now. Like I designed a foil with the free and Christchurch five years ago. It's been on file. I just. Didn't want to make it, cuz I felt like it wouldn't compete with the top brands. So it just sat there. So yeah, lately I wasn't even gonna say on the show that I was gonna, we're gonna do a floor, but yeah, we're working on a foil. We're quite a few months into it. Working with a team of engineers in Auckland and a couple of design hydrodynamics guys in the us. So yeah we're just, we're slowly working through it and it's yeah, it's a really fun project. It's almost like I want it to be slow because it's so much fun. Yeah. And it's tricky. It's tricky because the, my expectations for myself is really high with the foil. It's gotta be good. It's gotta be able to compete with the best. And luckily I've seen every, a lot of foils on the market. I've been on them. I've seen how I've seen their weaknesses. I've seen their strands. I've seen things that annoy me even, things down to different. Tools that you need two different tools for the same foil. It's just little things like that. I think, I'm confident we can iron out and yeah, we're gonna have a good foil a hundred percent. Yeah. I found the big, one of the biggest challenges of building foil was that the con you know, having a good manufacturer to do it, and I like, and just, yeah the production issues and the manufacturing and construction issues were like almost more, yeah, like it's one thing to design a really good fo, but then to build it and have it consistently and all the specs be right. That's and that's where saying like communicating with the manufacturers and stuff it takes a lot of time and effort. And for B plant, I decided that with, for us, it's hard to. On that, with the grinds, that focus just on foils Armstrong or access that they're so focused on their foils and their foil design for me, it's just I pretty much said I'm just gonna let them do that. And I, we focus more on the boards and the wings, but yeah. I was honestly gonna, sorry. I was thinking the same thing and honestly I, we weren't gonna do a foil. I was really happy with our boards, our wings and accessories. But yeah, you're right. You start with the factory, you almost start with the factory and work backwards. Our board factory's pretty good. So our foils are gonna be main in the same factory. And I'm confident now that we can yeah, that we can develop a good foil. Like we've learned a hell of a lot about connections and, in my opinion the most crucial part of a foil is the connection. All the connection points. Foil like foils are so complicated. But then we're talking about just a few connection points. Those just have to be absolutely. Robust and, no, no weaknesses, no movement. And yeah, there's been a lot of mass talk lately, a lot of, foils high aspect, men aspect, low aspect. So yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be an interesting process for the next year or so, but yeah, hopefully we have a fall for the next podcast.  excellent. That's exciting. So let's talk a little bit about and I was gonna say too just being able to test all the different foils that you use, like D from different brands and so on. That's so helpful in designing your own too, because if you can try, I think some different manufacturers, different designers and stuff like that really helps you figure out what, what works for you and what you want in your own design. So I think sometimes like team riders or whatever that are used to only riding one foil or one manufacturer, they don't really understand like the differences between let's say between a really stiff mass and the softer mass or whatever, you don't really understand it until you try it, so you can talk about it, but unless you try it and feel it's yeah, but anyways, I like. That also is a question. Another question from Dan, the challenges of global shipping and production over the last two COVID years. How is this gonna impact our market in the coming year? Let's talk a little bit about the challenges you had in New Zealand and then how do you think it's gonna affect us in the going forward? Yeah. As shipping's increased I don't know, by 5, 5, 5 times the amount, maybe four years ago. So you gotta really think about what you're putting in that container.  I think that's the main thing. So it's like, it's actually made me think, more critically about product development because of shipping costs in a roundabout way. You've got to ensure that what you put in that container or what you ship is the best thing that you can put in it. Yeah. It's so you've, for me, it's, we've just, I've just invested way more than usual in production. So production with board swings. I've just, we've just gone like four times as much as usual. So we just ensure that we've got stock on hand stock here. Yeah. When the pandemic happened, the factory in Vietnam, they shut down for four months. And that, that caused probably a delayed 12 month, 12 month delay on production. Yeah it's planning and it's just ensuring that you've got like such, the best product you can put in that container. And ensure you, we're getting a B2B system set up now on the website for our sellers, which is gonna help out a, hell of a lot. But yeah it's like a learning process, we didn't know that shipping would, I don't know. I don't know how expensive it's gonna get. Is it gonna come back?  yeah, I it seems to be leveling off and I think like some of the frosty really crazy prices don't, it's come back down to more normal, but yeah, it's, I think it's just gonna be elevated cuz of the higher fuel costs and all that. I But yeah, I was gonna mention too, like those, so boards that we ordered they were ready to ship, I think in December and then we actually didn't get them until like early July, I think. Yeah. So something like that. So it took six or seven months for us to get boards from Vietnam to Hawaii, which is crazy, but yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm very frustrating. Yeah. We've got two 40 footer, 2, 2 40 footers coming to New Zealand this summer. So we have a lot of stock in New Zealand. I think the key is, a lot of brands obviously have access to, three PLS and, setting up a, the goal would be to set up three PLS in us, Europe in our busier locations. And that's probably where we'll go. So yeah, third party logistics is probably the answer. And, but they all, they also take a margin. It's just what you have. You've gotta do to get out there though, I think. And I think, I really believe in our products, so I think that's the way to go, unless you wanna order six containers and be three P , right? Yeah. But it's a difficult one. It's a diff yeah, it's a difficult one. Yeah, I keep definitely it's a challenge. The logistics is definitely a big challenge right now. Talk a little bit about hood river. You said that you're going to hood river right this summer or our summer. Yeah. I'm looking at flights now at school holidays and flights from New Zealand are like 7,000 returns. So I'm just keeping an eye on it for the next few weeks, school holidays finish in two weeks. I'll look at it after that. So we've got our, my friend George is over there. She's a, quite a well known photographer in this up sort of wing world. And she's over there now staying with, I think she's staying with Fiona and Aiden. So that's Fiona wilds and Aiden her partner. So there's a kind of a Kiwi crew over there. So yeah, I'm just looking at that river and just going, yeah. I definitely need to get in there and meet up with some people. And we've seen some of our gear over to aid and he's trying it and yeah. And then it's OB, so hopefully I make hood river and then to the, to Hawaii. And then back. Be good to catch up with you and go for a w with you and the guys. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. I'll have to make a little video about that. That was talking my I actually spoke to my friend, Jason yesterday. I said I was, there was a some flights to Hawaii for 400 bucks. I was gonna surprise you. And I just imagine if I'd just turned up to Hawaii and, knocked on Rob store at the start of the interview. Yeah, we, it would've been kinda cool. Yeah.  yeah, no, that, that would be cool. Yeah. Come visit. Are you gonna go to. Are you gonna go to hood river? Are you what plans have you got? I don't really have plans to go. Cuz I, I just went to Europe. I was in Germany for a couple weeks and then I'm also going to Florida and September. So that's I'm going to the surf expo in, in Orlando. I already had that plan and I have some friends that live there and they help me out and stuff. So it's always a fun trip for me, but I've been wanting to I lived in hood river for a summer, three four months. And I really love that place. When, back in the windsurf day, that was before I winged, before foiling was around. But I, I can see how that's such a good place, especially for down wind foiling. You got like this almost like standing waves, and and the wind blowing against the current of the river and stuff like that. It's like a perfect setup for down winding and those kind of things. So definitely wanna do that. But probably not gonna happen this year, next year. Yeah, maybe I'll yeah. Yeah. It looks like the place to kind of test gear, I think. And, looking

Everything that happened this week in surfing (minus El Salvador) and an interview with Christian and Nathan Fletcher. It's all in this episode of The Drop. Timecodes: - Cheat Codes with John Florence (4:45) - Surfing's Nostalgia Fetish (12:20) - WSL Concedes: You Can Script This (17:00) - Surfer Gets A Paid University Scholarship (20:40) - Surf Sin (26:30) - The Fletcher Bros Interview (36:00)

The Drop is back, and so is the Stab CUSP! Get all this week's surf news, insights from Snapper and more in this ep.

Jack Robinson, who in the final defeated the two-time world champion John Florence, became the new champion at the Margaret River Surfing Pro championship in Western Australia's Margaret River. His great-grandfather migrated to Australia in 1927 and his great-grandmother in 1935.  - Ο προ-πάππους του ήρθε στην Αυστραλία το 1927 και η προ-γιαγιά το το 1935. 

In Episode 3 of The Insiders, we discuss the mecca of all surf spots seen by the film crew of John Florence. In his latest offering, FORM, JJF pays homage to the location that has groomed his legacy. A festival of local royalty riding the Banzai. Also, we let out our collective disappointment at the decision of the WSL to against use Upper Trestles as the spot for the 2022 final series. It was the easy and logical choice for them to go with a consistent performance wave in downtown California. Yet is our future destined to be bland. Do we have to settle? Will we be forced to eat porridge with no honey for the rest of our days? Or is an adventure the spice of life?PS THIS WAS EPISODE 2 BUT THEN MEDINA DECIDED TO DROP OFF TOUR SO EPISODE 2 IS NOW EPISODE 3.

Aloha & Wasabi Welcome back to Fantasy Pre-Game w Surfival League's Taylor, Chad, and myself. I am once again reunited with some of Surfing's best fantasy analysts, philosophers, and straight up Mirror Men in the game. With 302 combined world titles in Fantasy Surfing, we've got you covered for your Surfival League Picks, your WSL picks, and your nose picks. Take a seat and crack open a cold one as we say goodbye to some tour ledge-dogs, say hello to some new blood, and make our WSL & Surfival picks live on air! Will Chad and Hendo be Havianas flip fops again or will they finally human-up and stick to their picks? Only Poseidon knows... --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thefrothcast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/thefrothcast/support

Olympian and two-time surfing World Champion John John Florence masterfully navigates the edges of flying and falling. Riding big waves  and sailing at high speed around the Hawaiian Islands are amongst his most instructive and inspiring moments. Seen as the most technically gifted surfer on the planet right now, John has the eyes of the surfing world focused on everything he does. His broad ranging interests -- from beekeeping to photography to science fiction -- are  cracking the mold of what it looks like to be a competitive surfer. In the tradition of Hawaiian watermen, John has embraced all kinds of ocean activity, and also the wisdom of surfers from the timeline of surfing. In our meandering chat, John talks us through high speed  sailing with eighty-year-old surfing legend Joey Cabell,  the value of taking breaks from the singular focus of competitive surfing, the ambiguity of the impacts of social media, his favourite surf film, and how he navigates being an introvert in a culture of extroverts. John also speaks to his absolute love of surfing that leaves him speechless, even after decades of marathon  surf sessions.  ...Listen with Lauren L. Hill & Dave RastovichSound Engineer & Music By: Shannon Sol Carroll Additional music: ‘Evergreen' by Band of Frequencies:  Men of Wood & Foam album   Join the conversation: @Waterpeoplepodcast Waterpeoplepodcast.com

In this episode: This week's surf news with Brendan Buckley + an interview with surf photographer Ryan Miller. The Vans Triple Crown of Surfing is now open for registration and the same recurring question remains: can anyone beat John Florence and Carissa Moore? The discussion also leads to the new "progressive" surfboard inclusion whereby every competitor has to include one of their six rides on an inspired surf craft. The boys also discuss the opening of the big wave season and the reduced number of world tour events, why owning a surf camp isn't as easy as you think, the Australian artist who sold an NFT to Kelly Slater, and the winners of Stab Highway. 42:00 The long-form interview with inspired surf photographer, Ryan Miller. Ryan discusses his work ethic, his principles, and his raccoon penis necklace and rainbow speedo he takes with him on the road. Host: Danny Johnson – Danny@stabmag.com. Stab's Editor: Brendan Buckley – Buck@stabmag.com. Producer: Sam McIntosh

Nuevo Podcast de Radio Baluverxa de Julio 2021 con el estreno del Surf en las Olimpiadas de Tokio entre otras noticias del mes. -El Surf ya es Olímpico -Coldplay-Coloratura -México y Teahupoo próxima etapas del CT -Rufus Du Sol-Alive -La nueva Challenge Series ya anunciada -Damon Albarn-Polaris -El QS de Pantín y el junior de Doniños para Amatriain -Imagen Dragons-Wrecked -La duda de John Florence de seguir el CT 2021 -Wallflowers-Move The River -El Rip Curl Pro Anglet abre el QS 21/22 -Tom Odell-Lose you again -La retirada de Julian Wilson -Manic Street Preachers-El secreto que se había perdido -The War on Drugs-Living Proof -Tycho y Benjamin Gibbard-Only Love BALUVERXA

They say it takes about 20 episodes to get good at podcasts and 49 years to become a GOAT. Here is my episode 20 in all of its glory and sheesh was it fun! Another fantasy round table pizza session with my favorite fantasy frothers Chad (Kroeger) & Taylor (Swift) of Surfival League / Surf Heater. In this episode we discuss everything that went down at the Boost Mobile Margaret River Pro including new Melt Down Island leaders, a live performance from Blink Day, and the WORLD PREMIERE of Hendo's new hot single dedicated to one of his favorite surfers of all time! In addition, we lament about claims, Rottnest Island, John Florence, Gabriel Medina, Kelly Slater, Italo Ferreira, surf, surfing, sarf, and romance! You're not gonna wanna miss this shizzzzzz!! --------- Aloha & Wasabi @Hendo_Froth x @TheFrothcast @Surfival_League x @C2had x @Tay_Lob --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thefrothcast/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/thefrothcast/support

Ben is back from his podcation and joined by his roommate John Florence on May the 4th for an episode all about ranking every Star Wars movie.

Whether it's swimming with sharks, wing foiling in big waves a day before giving birth, or "toiling" on smooth North Shore walls with her smooth and flowy foil surfing style, Glennel Jordan lives a full life and openly shares about her background, surf foil and wing foil technique and equipment, her Macaw, her husband Zack and baby Raven, adventures, stories and how she keeps a positive outlook.   Wing Foil Show transcript: Aloha friends, it's Robert, Stehlik, welcome to another episode of the blue planet show produced right here in my home office, in the garage. On the blue planet show, we talk about wing foil technique and equipment, and I'm also trying to get to know my guests a little bit better, their background, what inspires them, and how they live each day to the fullest. You can watch these long form interviews on YouTube, with video, or you can listen to them as a podcast on the go, just search for the blue planet show on your favorite podcast app. Today's interview is with the awesome Glennel Jordan, she's amazing. She actually Wingfoiled the day before she gave birth, she's going to talk about that in the show.  She just has a real smooth foiling style and she credits it all to spending a lot of time foiling.  Her husband is also a fanatic and they're a super cool couple, right here on Oahu. And without further ado, please welcome Glennel Jordan. Glennel, welcome to the blue planet show, it's really great to have you here. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks for joining me, tell us a little bit about your background, like where are you from, where you grew up and then also how you got into watersports and board sports and so on. I am from the place where there's lots of water, Las Vegas.  The ninth Island and yeah, I grew up in Vegas, so I had no experience besides my swimming pool with water. My mom was in show business. She was a show girl. So I have the opposite background of most people in surfing. And then we moved to Malibu when I was, let's see 13, I believe. And that's where I started surfing Malibu Surfrider beach, the epicenter of surfing in Southern California. And and then when I was 15, we moved to Maui. So I finished high school in Maui and that's when I really got into surfing at Hookipa after high school, after school. And yeah, and then I, once, once I was in Hawaii, I was like thinking where I'm going to go to college. And a lot of people in Hawaii that grow up here, usually getting out of the state to go to college. But I decided I love the islands. I love Hawaii. And I love surfing. I love nature. So I knew that I wanted to stay here. So I moved to Oahu for college and went to Hawaii Pacific university. And I've been on Oahu ever since. Okay. So you've been here since you're 15 years old in Hawaii, first Maui then? All right. Yeah. So 20 years, I'm 35 now. Yeah. Yeah. And I I've lived on North shore the whole time. I had a friend that was living on the North shore and I was like, Oh, I'll just live with her. She had an extra room and that's it. So I had moved to the North shore when I got here. And then surfing ever since, and just getting into all the different ways to enjoy the ocean up here. If there's an option to enjoy the ocean on a certain kind of board, I've tried it, I've done it. I've gone into it and then maybe I've stopped doing it. Yeah, I love it. I can't, I probably will never live anywhere else. I can't imagine it. Yeah. Oh, so your mom's a Vegas or was a Vegas show girl. So you never got into that. No. She was she was a dancer and everything, and she was very specific about not giving me any dance lessons or singing lessons. She was like, you are going to be a smart business person. Yeah, she wanted me to take the opposite trajectory and I certainly did. I, I studied finance and business and I'm a financial advisor now. So yeah, you got an MBA as well, right? Yeah. MBA in finance. And she just didn't want me anywhere near that industry. She, saw that long-term, it's like really hard for people to build a life and a career, out of show business per se. Yeah. Yeah. So your early childhood memories that got you into the sport, was that in Malibu when you learned to surf or can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. She, I remember my mom picked me up from the airport after I was seeing my grandparents and she said, guess what? She's we were like inland if a Malibu for a little bit, but she was like, guess what? We're moving to Malibu. And she had already bought me a surf board and this, our board was in the car was a Stuart longboard. And I was like, Oh, okay, here we go. And so as she's I got some lessons from some guy at Surfrider Malibu, and then that's where just took off from there, catching my first waves over at Surfrider and I just. Yeah, I've just been drawn to it. I was never a team sport. I'm an only child. So I noticed a lot of like only children kind of gravitate towards like solo sports more. I was never really into team sports. So I really liked the, the solo illness and like the being by yourself, the meditativeness that surfing is when you're, by yourself, in the ocean with your own thoughts and your own capabilities to get, put you in and get you out of situations. So I really, I was gravitated towards, like how difficult surfing can be, when learning surfing or learning any new sports in the ocean. Yeah. And then how did you get into foiling? So my, so I met my husband like 10 years ago and he's. He's one of those really kinds of people that is how do I describe it? He's just, he reminds me of an older version of Kane where his brain is like, always thinking of so mechanical and thinking of like different things to do. And like just expanding like what you can do, even if it seems like difficult or impossible, he's always come coming up with ideas on things that we should do that a few years later, like everybody's doing it. And he's, he got me into dirt biking and kite surfing until five years ago. He he's look at these videos of, people foily, but actually in fact, like 15, 20 years ago, no people were Tofoya late. They had these old foils and we were, we didn't have a bunch of friends that used to do this old, this foiling, like from a long time ago, these old Hattie foils where you're like, boots, you're, you're strapped into these boots, it wasn't very attractive at that point. But five years ago is when he started, foiling just started with a lot of some of the professional surfers, like Kailani. And he's- we need to do this! And I was like, I don't know. I really liked surfing the way it is, going out on my gun when it's bigger or shortboarding, and I'm like that just, I don't know. I wasn't sold on it at all, but he just went ahead and he bought foils from this kite surfing company. And they were like these big, heavy foils. They were like, they were so heavy. And I can't remember the name of it. You said it and they were so happy. And I was like, I'm still don't know about this. And We have a jet ski and he was like no, it was really great. We got to do this. And we went out so many sessions trying to figure out foiling on these big, heavy. And most of the time we did not do that well. But we had fun with it. We laughed about it. We enjoyed how difficult it was and how bad we were. We just kept doing it. And and then the summers around here on the North shore of Oahu can get extremely hot and extremely flat. And you can spend your time in the mountains, like mountain biking or dirt biking, but I decided I wanted to like why not, I'll try and bring my foils down to the beach and try and foil. And this is when no, not really anybody else was foiling over here. And I would just go down to sunset beach and I used to started teaching myself to foil on these big, heavy, clunky foils. Yeah, like three years ago, I think. And I slowly got into it, I've been, I like, I spent so many hours surfing in the water. I'm really good at paddling and catching waves. So it was I caught onto it pretty quickly. My husband, not so much, he hates surfing and crowds. So he's, he doesn't spend a lot of time like prone surfing in any capacity out here because it just it's gotten really crowded out here. So he didn't really pick up on the prone foiling as quick as I did. But no, I really enjoyed it. I really just enjoyed how difficult it was. I know that's weird. It sounds weird, but I like it. I enjoy the the challenge. And everybody else is longboarding and I'm like, I'm going to do this foiling thing because it's fun when I make it to my feed. I'm able to glide a little bit. And yeah. And then, I don't know. I think the next foil we got was maybe an Armstrong. Like I, it's all kind of a blur, the whole learning process. So I'm just scrolling through your Instagram account here on Instagram, your ocean, baby ocean underscore, baby. And this is some older stuff, but I guess you had, you got a baby Macaw. We got it from an egg and we put it in an incubator and we hatched it. Oh, wow. Yeah. And we live up in the mountains on the North shore. And so she was a free flying and this is another one of those crazy ideas. My husband has more than I'm not really sold on this idea of, he just goes out and does it anyways. So he brings us MCI and home. We had shit, we raise this baby in the car and when it starts flying, we decide we don't want to keep it in a cage because they're like so magnificent. And we're like, it's going to be our free flying Macaw. And so we let it outside and it's just like flying all over the North shore. It all, it came home every night. Wow. Yeah. I came home every night. It slept inside. We had a perch for it and its own room. And like a ma I swear, half of the North shore knew this parrot. Her name was Bob Barela. And and that's right when I was getting into foiling with her. And we had her for about two years and she went to everybody. She visited everybody that lives up in the mountains, on the North shore, the whole neighbor door. She just land on everybody's patio and talk to them. It was really stressful dogs, packer, but she ended up passing away. After two years, she did decide to sleep outside one night. And in Hawaii we do have, a month out of the year that it does get really cold up in the mountains. And I she passed away in a tree and overnight, and I think she got hyperthermia, unfortunately. Yeah. And we were never able at, when we had her, it was like having a child. We couldn't do anything late at like into the afternoon hours because we needed to be home to make sure she came home and, get her in the house and get situated. So we always say that I probably wouldn't, we wouldn't have become that obsessed with foiling if she was still alive, because, with having a child, we were like paid so much attention to her. And it was like, so heartbreaking when we lost her, we were so crushed. And the first thing we did the day we found her, cause we were just like sobbing and we were so upset. And the first thing my husband said is, Hey, let's go towing, toiling, toe foiling, make the ski and go out because we haven't been able to, stay out until dark before. And it was like our way to heal ourselves. And that was exactly what we did. We loaded up the ski and we went toiling and and then it just became this obsessive toil craze where we were just going out all the time on the jet ski toilet. And I, I. I'm pretty sure. My husband coined the term toiling. So is actually your husband's Zach that got you into foiling. He was like, yeah, but then I like progress because I surf so much more than him. He's more into dirt bikes and now he's trying to keep up with you, huh? Yeah. So for, in foiling, like I progressed so much faster than him. So then I became obsessed with it, but he really enjoyed it because it was a way for you to go and get in the ocean where we weren't, in all these crowds you could go to places that weren't the wave wasn't that great. Or you could be inside of people and have fun and didn't have to deal with the crowds. And so that was a major game changer. Okay. So that picture on the left. So we took our honeymoon and into the mental wise can Dewey. And if you've ever been there, it's some of the best. Finest easiest waves on the plane. And at night it's you're certainly like your dream. And so we're planning this trip and I'm so excited and he's Oh, we got to take the foil. And it was like, you're crazy. We're going to the best waves on the planet. And you want to bring this clunky? I was like, I was so mad because I didn't want to bring any boards. I just wanted to use their boards down there. I didn't want to deal with traveling with boards and he's no, we're bringing it. We're bringing it in. So we bring, our big foil board and our big foil to the best waves on the planet. And we ended up having so much fun over there because the owner of the resort let us use the ski. And so we were like towing in, into foil ways over there. I think if you scroll up, you will see my first, some of my first toe in waves were at Cannes Dewey at this place called four bogs. I don't know when and you brought your bird with you? No, we face time, sir. It's so cool that she could fly for you and every story, right? That's so cool. It was so cool. And it was so much education having a, your own McCall like that, that I realized that parents shouldn't be held in captivity. They shouldn't be pets because there's just such smart, intelligent animals. And that people can never give them the life they deserve. They need to be out flying. And so now I'm like this huge advocate or parents shouldn't be pets and I'll never make that mistake again, taking them a call. So the video are you talking about? Is that one of these here? I think it's up actually put, ended up posting it a lot later if you want. I can Should I let you take over a baby. As an egg, basically, you got, so you were the parents really before the birth. Okay. So tell us about this wave. So this was one of the first times we tow foiled was in canned Dewey on our honeymoon. This was like one of my, what is this? 2018. So what's that three years ago, this was at four Bob's, first learning about tow and foiling or toiling and what a magical place that places can Dewey. This big board, this big clunky foil at Yeah for Bob's, which is like this amazing. Right-hander like super easy. Every wave is exactly the same. And yeah, by the, I think I think I kinda got the hang of it better than my husband at this time. And I was like, Oh yeah, now I get this, you just ride the swells. This makes perfect sense. And my husband is such a Motorhead, so he loves things. Like I said, he's more of a dirt biker, but he loves things with engines. And so every moment's notice we were free, he'd be like, want to go on a jet ski, you want to go toilet? I'm like, geez, like you want to do it this much. And he's yeah, of course. Why not? And motocross to you, you were doing a lot. Let's like we did trials. So motorcross is you have this big bike and you're like going around a track doing jumps. So we do Trials, which is a dirt bike with no seat. Again, like he finds is the weirdest hardest ways we can do activities. And he's that's what we should do. So we have, we were students way down here. See how obsessed I got with foiling. It just took over my Instagram. Yeah. You post a lot on Instagram. It's just amazing. Like how many times a week do you usually post? What do you say? Like honest every day. It depends what I'm doing. I just friends with people that always take pictures and it's so cool. It's such like a, a memory bank for yourself where, we're only going to be this young one, so might as well. I can't even find my trials pictures anymore, but they're basically dirt bikes with no seats. And on the North shore, the mountains here, the dirt biking and mountain biking is as good as the surfing is, it's like the best in the world. And trials, bike, enables you to go anywhere basically where big motocross bikes can't go. And I can't even find them anymore. Oh, there's the egg is hatched. Huh? There's some bikes. Those are chickens. We farm chickens. Do. Yeah. So trials, bike. Okay. Yeah. So you're not never sitting down. Really? Yeah. So it's like my mountain biking. It's like downhill mountain biking with a two 5,300 CC two stroke engine. So Lee, you can go uphill with the same fat in the same style as you would go. Downhill mountain biking super fun. But then yeah, when foiling came around it took over and I stopped dirt biking for a few years. And I just recently, now that I've had a baby I'm just recently getting back into trials and we've been riding and it feels good to mix it up, foiling, I think for a lot of people who started foiling, it took over our. Our brains where it's all you wanted to do. But it's nice to get back into a different sport again, it's not the only thing. Yeah. Okay. So then I guess you started toe foiling and then prawn foiling. And then how did you progress into wing for them? I, so I am a financial advisor and I have an office in Maui. Also. I have a partner over there and so I would go to Maui every couple months. To work with clients and work at the office over there. I'd stay there for about a week or so. And, before I went to Maui, I wouldn't bring a surfboard cause the surf's not great over there most of the time. And then when boiling came around, I was like, Oh my gosh, this changes my business trips all together. Now I can bring my foil and there's so many places to boil over there. And I, I kite serve too, but I never caught it over there, but I'd go check out like, who Keepa, like what was happening? And it caught on. And I had a client that was like telling me, she was like, this wing boiling thing. She had some people, she knew, some people that were getting into it. She's it's going to take off. And I was like I don't know about that. But then I went to whole Keepa and I saw some of these first guys that were whinging. Oh, what's that right? Caught that. It Hokies over to the side. And it was like double overhead and they were just killing it and I was. And not many people were winging yet. This was like two years ago and I was like, Oh, okay, now I get it. And this makes perfect sense to me. I was like, this is towing. You are basically towing in on your foil, but you are yourself, the jet ski and like how kite surfing is, you're your own jet ski. And and I went, when I got back to a wahoo, I told my husband, I'm like, we gotta do this. I'm like this winging thing, I'm finding a wing and you can even find a wing, like nobody was selling them. They were like out before you could even buy one. And so I ordered, this was my first one, this wing ride to Kuma that I got. And I didn't even know how to use it, but I just knew, I was like, I know I have to do this sport. And so my husband came with me to Maui. The next time I went and I was like, we got to learn this. And he was like, honestly, he's it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. And he's a tight surveys and cutting like 20 some years and he wind surf. And then I brought him to hokey-pokey and we watched those same guys, like in some pretty big surf. And he was like, okay, now I get it makes sense. And then, so we came back to a wahoo and I connected with Christian I don't think, Christian one Maui days, his Instagram, and he came to a wahoo. So he came to Weill who one day today, I think hanging out with you guys or some of the South shore wahoo crew that wanted to learn to wing. And I was like, Christian you're in Oahu. Great. I was like, can you come teach me too? And so somebody drops him off at the airport and I go to the airport and I pick him up and we go straight to Kailua and I was like, okay, let's do this. Teach me how to wing. And that was my first day that picture Christian took where he showed me, like he showed me just a few simple things right off the bat. And I still do that same exact start today on almost no matter what board I'm on. The knees start, holding your hands to the side and right. Actually, yeah, walk us through that. Because a lot of people are starting out and you need help with that. Can you walk us through exactly how you start. Yeah. And like I noticed so many people don't get any pointers and it takes them forever. And like the simplest things, when I show people it like clicks and they get it pretty quickly. But yeah you always have the wing on your wrist, the Alicia, your is to never do anything without it on your wrist, crawl on the board, get on your knees. Don't worry about the wing it's on your wrist. You don't need to think about it. Just make sure it's downwind from you, crawl on your knees, hold the rails of the board, get super comfortable and then grab that leash and start pulling it in and then put, grab the front handle that's on that middle strap there and then grab the back handle. And the key that I think a lot of people miss is they're trying to. Hold it straight down wind and their body is straight down when, and you don't want to hold it like that instead, you really, what Christian showed me is that, like that angle, right? With your arms and your back where you want to like twist. And when you do that, what happens is you pushes your board up when, and when I show people that when I'm there to show people that it like clicks and it really helps everyone, everything come to gather, but it's holding it like this. And so this was my first day and I would just hold it like that as hard as I could. And right then you'll see the wind will catch it and you'll start pointing sort of up wind and start moving. And this nice start I did when I was nine months, 10 months pregnant. And it was so easy that that is something that I could do pretty easily being pregnant. And then you just put your front foot up and then your back foot up, and then you're standing. Yeah. That's pretty much how I do it too. And even on a smaller board, you can still start that way. Yeah. There's the thing about learning, weighing in and going through all this is at first, it feels like the most impossible thing in the world. And you're like, there is no way I'm going to do this. Like how in the world people do this and you just need to put in a don't let it get you down. Enjoy that hardness to it. Enjoy that every fall. Because I, the first time I was on my prone board and I put my knees under me, I was like, this is impossible. But after the fifth time doing it, yeah. I start on my knees, my board sinks a little I'm sinking more on the tail. So the nose will come up so that you don't, the nose doesn't dig in the water and same thing. I'll be w it's hard to balance on a little board on your knees, but it's totally possible do the same thing, reel it in. Same exact thing. And it works. I find a lot of times the hardest part is getting the wing over your head. Like from when it's sitting on the water to getting it up over your head, once you have wind in the wing, then it's more stable. Yeah, there's like a few seconds where you really just have to focus and believe in yourself and be like I can, but my husband is so funny. My husband says he's like the most uncoordinated person in the water and now he rides his prone board and he always says, if I can do it, meaning him. He's anybody can do it. And it's true. So if he can start on his prone board and he doesn't spend that much time in the water surfing, and then literally anybody can do it. He's a really good wing filer too now. So actually I was going to ask you, what's it like to be married to a wing foiler or both? I guess both of you are SEF obsessed with foiling. Yeah. So it's funny, as I learned first, I got these lessons from Christian and my husband just looked on that's just looks so stupid. He literally told me it looks so dumb. And then when I brought him to Maui, I gave, actually gave him lessons. I got the idea of how to go in and out. And so I taught him. And then he ended up he's this, his personality where, when he wants to do something, he just goes all out and like obsesses into it. And he actually got better than me pretty quickly because he just obsessed over. It would keep going and going. And frankly, I couldn't find the right board for me to continue on. So I had I quit for a month or two because, equipment is everything and winging. If you don't have the right equipment, then you're just going to have a horrible time. But he ended up getting a good board for him. And so then he just got, yeah, he got so much better than me and just started doing it way more. And when I was like nine months, eight, nine months pregnant, he's like everyday sake. I'm going winging. I'm going weighing, and I'm going winging it. And I was like, Jesus. I was like, you can't be like this when we have a baby. And he's no. I'm just doing it now because we don't have a baby yet. And it's true. He's really good now. But it's actually really helpful because when I was nine months pregnant, I didn't feel like doing anything. Like my energy levels were so low, but I would just at least drive down to the beach and he would help me rig my stuff up because it just, I didn't feel like doing anything. And once I got in the water, it was pretty easy. So it was, it's really helpful that he is a winger too, because he helped motivate me when I wasn't feeling that hot. And now he like, then he started doing like back wending and tax and all this stuff that I wasn't even considering. Cause I really just liked surfing mostly. And yeah, now he's like doing all these tricks and I was like, wait a minute. I tell you how to wing it. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, I love that term toiling too. I think that's when I, the first time I saw you foiling was when you were towing for length with Zach and I was just impressed by how you, he looked. I don't know just so efficient and I dunno, like a lot of times when guys are foiling on a wave, it looks like they're just like really tense and and you just look relaxed and totally balanced between, you got the foil just like totally balanced out and just look like, so in control that I was always really impressed by your style. Oh, thanks. It's honestly, because we spent so much time suffering. We try to tell people are like, they get so frustrated learning how to foil or learning how to wing. And I'm like, no, you don't understand how much leave time we put into suffering. People don't believe it. Right when you're a good winger already. They're like, think that it's just as natural and no, can you maybe show us some video of yourself? Like towing foiling? Do you have anything that you can show kind of progression? Yeah. The first, yeah, that first one in canned Dewey. That was my point. And Oh yeah. I'll show you this one video. Some of my best videos is when I was pregnant because I couldn't lay down. What was that? Your mom? I just think I saw a picture of your mom. Yes right there. Yeah. She was great from the eighties and nineties. Big hair. Yeah. His father was a ventriloquist in Las Vegas. Oh, that's your dad. Wow. Yeah, totally not the surfing background. Yeah, I was pregnant. I couldn't lay down and serve, so I was pretty much just winging and stuff boiling and one of my chefs. Yeah. Sorry. I want to, but yeah, I saw that some of those videos of the, you swimming with the sharks while you're pregnant, that's pretty cool to watch those, but yeah, let's watch this first. This was, I was eight months pregnant here. The water's so smooth. Yeah. It was such a beautiful day. This was like one of such, it was not even that big. It was pretty small that day. It was only like two feet Hawaiian, but I'm just so glassy. It's snowboarding and powder and once you get the hang of foiling and it's pretty effortless. And babe, my only goal was just don't fall. It's not a fun falling when you're pregnant. You have to be careful too. Yeah. I You can't really have heavy impacts and stuff like that. When you have you, can, you got your, my human body is pretty strong, but I don't want to, it doesn't feel good. So I just, my goal was just to be as smooth as possible. Not do any fast jerky movements and just stay up on foil. And yeah, my husband's flying the drone actually from the beach and then that's our friend that was driving me. Yeah. Zach does posts such nice footage with the drone, like out on the North shore. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing. He was forcing me to buy a drone forever. He's get a drone and get a drone. And I was like, you get the drone anyways. I ended up buying it and he uses it more than me, but yeah it's fun to get footage of your friends. So that's the long wave. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Super long. Yeah. Can't disclose where any of the spots are. Yeah, that's fine. We don't want to be able to know, but yeah, I, living in tonic, I mostly went for on this side, but every now and then I make it out there like a week ago I was out on your side and while it was fun, it was a good session. I know. It's great. We didn't even know where we would be winging and then it just once we got into it, we were like, Oh, we can win bear and we can win there. And there, and then it just opened up so many spots where, you know, as a surfer, you'd be like, basically, it's you stay out of the water that day, but then we needed to all of a sudden, now I can wing and all these different places and just opened up the whole coast for us. Oh, this is. Let's see, this is, I was towing again. I was like 32 weeks pregnant was what's that? Yeah. Seven or eight months pregnant. And there was a hammerhead shark. You'll see it right there. Like how often do you get to see a hammerhead right into you while you're foiling? Yeah, it seems like they're curious about the foil is right. The sharks. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I think the cavitation I think attracts them or something, but so this again, I was like eight months pregnant and. I went shark diving. I didn't intend to get so close, but tiger sharks are a lot different than other, a lot of the other sharks around here, most other sharks will see you and just swim away. Tiger sharks come right up to show that video where he's like, where the sharks like opening its mouth and it's like chicken you out. Yeah. They are like, they come right up. They are ready to touch you and say, who are you? What are you? And luckily, I had that pole, my friend said, have the poll pushed him away. So I had my camera on that poll. I wasn't scared mostly because I have so many friends that are into diving with sharks that I understand how they act. But they come right up to you. I was like, Oh, okay. It was a huge Decker struck. It's not aggressive, but that's how they are, they want to check you out and see what you're all up about. Yeah. It's almost like they want me to get pet petted on the nose or something again. That's, that's how they see what things are, is with their mouth. And unfortunately their mouth has big teeth can be really dangerous, but yeah, it was super interested in us. And I was like, I think right after that, I swam back to the vote. I'm like, that's, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Or scared after the fact, I was like, Oh man, that was, it was a little close for me. But like I said, they're not, I've been educated a lot about sharks and they're not They're not aggressive if you don't, you just have to behave the right way. Yeah. Cool. And then so let's talk a little bit about, I guess obviously when you're foiling it depends on your way and so on. So when you're pregnant, obviously you gain weight. So did that change what you were using? Did you use a bigger foil? Did these a bigger, yeah, it's so funny. My friend I'd come in from these sessions and I be complaining, I couldn't stay up on foil. And he was like you are like 30 pounds heavier. And I was like, okay. Point taken you're right. Yeah. So I did start using a bigger foil, actually the foil that my husband uses The hyper one 90, it's this high at a bigger high aspect oil. And that's what I think I'm using here because I'm in pretty much in light wind conditions, when you're maybe jiving and going back out or something, I could just, gently tap on the front of the board and it would just keep gliding and get me through a lot of those light wind sections. And I know it's hard to believe, but it was like, it was one of the easiest things for me to do. Being pregnant is waiting for boiling on a big foil. It was like so effortless and so low impact too. That if I, didn't know about winging, I probably would have mostly been out of the water for the last few months of being pregnant. So it was such a blessing to have this sport, this time of my life. Yeah. That's awesome. So you were pretty much, and then after you gave birth, you were pretty much back in the water again pretty soon too, or, yeah, I got back in the water after about a month. I stayed out, which was totally, I always thought that, it'd be so hard to not serve after having a baby. But that wasn't the case at all. I had so much fun hanging out with my baby. This is one of the first sessions that I did after getting back in the water. So my husband is filming it from the beach, holding the baby in the ergo, flying the drone. I'm out there winging. That's awesome. And I was like, Oh, it was on a small foil. I had a small wing. I was like, Oh, it feels so good to not be pregnant, but instantly lost 30 pounds. Yeah. It was like, yeah. Yeah. I have my body back. I was like, cause frankly, you start thinking for women out there when you're really pregnant, you start thinking, you're just suck at everything because you're so big and you can't move properly. But in fact it's just because you have a baby inside of you, extra weight. Yeah. Yeah. I got back into it and now we we'll just go to the beach to get a lot of the time. We just go to the beach together and bring all of our gear and one person goes out. Other person hangs out with the baby on the beach, and then usually he'll go out first and then come back and then rig up my gear for me. Cause I'll be holding the baby still is he can't really up gear. He always says, wait, I want to be the one to hold the baby. And you wake up the foil and pump up the way. Yeah. So do you end up using the same wing or do you have both have your own equipment or? Yeah, we have our own equipment. He writes the uniform when wings he really likes them. I guess they're a bit more powerful that F ones are probably like a little bit more, less powerful, but I really liked them because they are so lightweight. Yeah, the newer one, this strike that this Stripe right here, that's the newer one. It's super light. And this handles are really small. I like small handle. Cause when the handle is a lot of other wings, they have big handles and they kinda cramped my hands holding them for awhile. So I liked the small handles and I like how lightweight the F1 is. It might not be the most powerful one. But I, I dunno for me, I think it's totally fine. So what are the differences between the original this F1 swing? I think it's called N and then the strike would it, how did it change? So this is the original F1 Yes, swing. It's a little more flexy. And when you would be on your board pumping, trying to get up on foil, you could literally see the tips of the wings would be like fluttering and like bending. And I'm like, it's literally almost like wings and the fluttering kind of helped generate some wind power to get you going on. Some people complained about that. I actually really liked it cause I could feel that it was like pulling in the wing and generating power. And then the new ones are stiffer and you can pump them up to nine PSI. So they're a lot different, but they're also super lightweight. And I really love the lightweight as a female, even though I'm strong. I love that they're light because I don't get as tired holding them, whereas I've flown other wings and I just get a little bit tired after a while holding kind of a bulky wing. So I liked the F1, but yeah, my husband's still flies the the uniform oil wind wings. So this picture actually is interesting. And so this picture was on a bigger day off, up here on the North shore of Oahu, it was like six feet Hawaiian this day. And I was nine days overdue. This was the day before I gave birth. Yeah. My friend came down to the beach and his wife had made When do you call it cookies that supposed to help you go into labor or something. And he also took these pictures. He's don't eat these cookies unless you're ready. I'm like, I am ready. And so I grinded like 10 cookies and then I went back out for my second session that day. He got that picture and I'm like, that's so cool. And then the next day I had my baby those cook cookies made a difference. Huh. And that's another reason why it was really windy and hairy this day. And some of the guys were having a hard time, but I was like, whatever, it takes God to have this baby I'm going out there. I know it was just funny how that all works. Yeah. Yeah. And then I noticed once you gave birth to Raven that your Instagram feed is like now probably 80%, which is great. And she's so cute. I think you always think that, a baby is going to take away from your free time and the things you love doing. But in fact, you just want to spend so much time with your baby and you like want to integrate them into your life and show them the things you do. And it's so exciting. Like we joke that she really likes the windiest and coldest beaches. We always bring her down to the beach when it's like prime winning conditions. You think she actually likes that? She seems to not mind it we've been starting are really young, so she doesn't know the difference. She doesn't know that beaches are supposed to be warm and sunny. Yeah. So one of you is on the beach with the baby, the other one's out winging, and then you switch off. Yup. It's pretty much exactly how it goes. That's awesome. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about the your foils that you're using. And I know you started with that big clunky ride engine and then now using uniform, right? Yeah. So tell us about your your foils. Yeah. So here I can you see, are you, can you see the Unifor website right now? Yeah. Okay. I got involved with uniform soil. That's another kind of a long story and it's related to my parrot, but anyways, they asked me to be the team writer and the distributor, and I said, Hey, why not? I'm obsessed with boiling as it is. So for towing, my absolute favorite foil is the one-fifty vortex. It's like the surf foil. And it's pretty small, but why I like it is that it doesn't have upward pressure, the faster you go. When you go toiling, you can go pretty fast sometimes, especially, on some of the big days up, out here on the North shore, when it's like maybe six foot Hawaiian or even eight feet, you're going really fast down the face of these waves. And. Something about the uniform oils is they don't have that. A lot of other foils, if you go faster and faster, that foils wanting to lift up and you're pushing hard on your front foot to keep it down. But the way the uniform oils are designed is they don't have that upward pressure. So they have an unlimited top speed. And so I love them for towing. It's just so smooth. And you would think that means it only works in big ways, but in fact, I ride the same foil prone foiling when it's like one to two feet. So it works in small waves and big waves. And before I got pregnant, I was winging with it too. Cause I would wing and, large conditions where it's like a foot or so overhead. And so I would be winging with this foil too. And when you're winging, it's windy. So the oceans bumpy and. You want a foil that can handle those bumps and cut through the chop smoothly. And it does that really well, too. So this was like my all around foil for the longest time was the vortex one-fifty I was just using it for everything. Do you know how many square centimeters the, that is surface area projected surface area? Or does it say you're going to ask me that, I guess it's 968 square centimeters. Okay. Yeah. And my husband, he really likes it for towing too. The bottom of the foil, is it pretty much flat or does it add a little bit of a curve in the back of it? So it's dihedral I don't think there's a picture. It shows of that. It's dihedral and, but generally it's, it doesn't have much of a curve. No. So it's pretty, pretty flat. Like now, it is low aspect, but yeah, like I guess like an Armstrong foils, like good comparison where they're like they have these big curves in them. Actually what I meant is like the profile, so if towards the back, if it's turned down a little bit cause I know that kind of helps with the faster you go, the more kind of a downward pitch it has when you have that little bit of a, on the bottom have that. I don't know what it's called, but it's almost Oh yeah, you have one there. Okay. Yeah. I have one. Let me see, I did my work office and my foil storage area. Actually take a look at it. One more vortex, one 50, but. Okay. Yeah. So it's, it doesn't have a lot of curve to the tips. It's pretty flat, but it has. Yeah. I see the dihedral and then it does look like it's on the bottom of the bottom side of the profile. It's a little bit, has a little bit of inward curve. Yeah. Is it? I don't know. I can't see really. I have to take a closer look at it, but that's probably why it doesn't have, probably has a little bit of forward pitch when you go faster, would think, yeah. Cause I trust me, I know what for Fred pressure feels like those are those right engines, right? Yeah. So fast speeds. Love it. I was writing that and six feet, eight foot surf, but honestly I like toilet in smaller ways. I think it's more fun. Head high, I think is like the perfect size. I don't need big waves for toiling. And when it's bigger, I think it's more fun just to tow surf or paddle ins or, something like that without the foil. And then you said can I ask, how much do you weigh? What usually? Yeah. Yeah, usually, it changes right now. I'm like 135 pounds. And then when you're pregnant you gained about, I was like 155 when I was pregnant. And then, so which, which further do you use when you were pregnant? You said you had still tow. Even when I was pregnant, I tow with the vortex one 50, but then when I was winking and I was like super lazy and I was like most important. I don't want to come off foil. I wrote a high aspect foil, but I wrote a bigger high aspect. I wrote the hyper one 90, wait a minute. That's the one 50 the hyper one 90, it's one of their newer high aspects. And the glide is just. They're all the same, but the one 90 that glide is just unreal. Like it's so effortless. So in, light winds, subpar, winging conditions, I could just bounce around, stay on foil because I just didn't have the energy to put, that much into staying on foil. And the one 90 just kept me going. And it took me like until I was like seven months pregnant to accept the fact that I needed to be on a bigger foil. And yeah, it kept me going. And even that big day, right before I gave birth and I was on the one 90, like writing, some pretty, big bumpy swells. And it, it handled find at works and big surf too. It's like, all my husband uses his, the one 90 and he rides it and. In all sorts of conditions with how much does he weigh? 175 pounds about, yeah. For winging toilet, foiling, everything toiling. He uses that same one. No, for toiling. We're all always on the surf foil, the vortex one 50. So he uses that as well. Yeah. What about mass length? What length? Yeah. So there's seven 50 and eight 30. So seven 50 is 29, 30 inches. That's what I use pretty much for anything. And then he uses the longer one for winging and towing. We have this whole like argument. He's it's better for winging to use a longer mass and he's right. But I personally can't tell the difference. So I use either one, I know, one day I went out and I was like, I'm so happy. I'm using the long mask. He's you're not you're on the short mask. I was like, Oh, I can't really tell a difference, but it does help. And when you're winning to be on a longer mask, because the ocean's bumpy and so you need more gifts. So you don't breach and same with towing. It's usually better to be on a longer mask. Yeah. Just affords you more mistakes, basically. Yeah. Yeah. And you can fly over the small chop without having to up and down so much. I find that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot better. Everybody that gets on a longer mask can feel the difference when you're in kind of those choppy, bumpy conditions. Yeah. I'm the only person I'm so easy. I can get used to almost anything I'm like, Oh, whatever. And what about tail wings? Whatever you like for using for tailings? My favorite is the flat tail wing, which is the one pictured here. But I do have a lot of writers on the canes back wing. Basically almost all my uniform writers are now using canes back wing and they love it. I haven't tried it. I don't know. I thought there was only one. I don't even know. Yeah. He has like all different ones, so yeah. Yeah, he does. They all love it. Most of my writers start off on the flat wing. And then eventually, and they'll say they love it. They'll cut it down to 14 inches is like a good length to cut it to, and then they'll get on the cane wing and they'll be like, Oh my God, it's amazing. And now they don't go back after they get on Cain's back, laying there, like stuck on it. They never come back to a regular back wing, but Yeah. So you're the distributor for all of Hawaii or for all the Hawaiian islands. You have little warehouse in your garage or how does that work here? In my office everywhere. And then you, do you sell them at pretty much the same prices on the website or exactly the same price. Okay, nice. Yeah, no shipping. That's good. Yeah. And like I shipped to Maui and Hawaii, but it's super cheap, right? Yeah. Yeah. What else still oil has been around like a really long time. They're one of the first companies to do two high aspect wings, and then they sold their designs to signature. And then just like couple of years ago, foil decided they wanted to like, distribute their own brand. And so it's like new ish in terms of being able to buy uniform from a distributor wherever you live. So not, they're not a lot of people are riding them, but the people that I do have riding that I absolutely love them. I think happy Tedford has a uniform. And I saw him the other day using a uniform when I first foil friends and him and our other friend, Johnny, and I got them on uniform. When I became a distributor and they love them. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. And you saw the wingsuit or yeah. I don't sell wings as much. I just focus on the foils. My husband's more into selling wings to people. Cause he, he loves the uniform of wing wings. They have a lot of power and he's totally right. They do. So that's more his arena, but mostly I just focus more on the foils. I do have like my own job. I'm a financial advisor. I have my own company. I don't want to be doing. Yeah. I don't want to be doing too many different things. So let's talk a little bit about your board. I know you have that board that has your parrot on it airbrush on it or painted on it. Is that still the one you use is that your main board and it, can you talk a little bit about. You're bored. What you using the progression and so on? Yeah. I want to pull it up here. So it took me a while to figure out what kind of board to get for Wayne. Cause after you learn, you start off in these huge hundred plus leader boards, and then you realize that's not sustainable. You need to be on some things smaller. And I borrowed a board from Derek Jimmy Lewis, one of his boards. And when he got a new one and I got on the Jimmy Lewis and the first day, and I was like, Oh my God, this is what I need like this, these dimensions, this shape. It's perfect. And so I brought it back to my, if here on a wahoo Gordon assets in Hawaii and I was like, These are the dimensions. This is what we need to do for winging. Cause nobody else could tell me what to do. It was so new, like hardly anybody on a lot who was winning, but I was like, I got this Jimmy Lewis and I'm like, this is what we need to do. Can you please make me something like this copy of these dimensions and Bob Barela had passed away and he Gordon's like super artistic. He's he loves bright colors and he his daughter's an artist and she was home because of COVID and I didn't know, but they painted Barbarella on it for me. Yeah, it was so sweet. And so I would always say like when I went out, this was one of my first sessions with it. I was like, you can see Barbarella flying with me still. And this board was forced four, seven, four inches thick. And about 24 inches wide, I believe. And it was about probably 65, 70 liters. And it's good because balance on your knees, but it was short enough that it was super fun in the surf. You could turn it really easily, pretty much big enough to float you then, right? Yeah. Totally big enough to float you on your knees. So that's what you want, basically, especially on a wahoo where the wind's not always that great, it's not Maui. You want something that'll float you, but you also want something small enough that you can have fun in the surf. And that it took me a bit to figure that out. Then when I did this board, I just became obsessed with it and I wrote it for about a year up until I gave birth. And then I realized, and then it, I think I, I must've hit it too many times cause it started taking in water. Unfortunately it got a little heavy, but I got into winging with my prone board. And yeah, the other day I saw you in the water waiting for the gust on your kind of underwater. Yeah. But it's super fun. Like when it's windy, once you're up, then it's pretty awesome. Huh? Yeah. It's like those windy days, you're like, Ooh, it's like Maui, get out. You're a little bored and now I will put, so if it's super windy, I will put straps in it and pretend I'm in Maui and do jumps and things like that. Yeah. I see the jump. So let's talk a little bit about foot straps, like using footsteps versus going without and so on. Like what's your take on that? Yeah, so I usually don't use foot straps unless it's really windy and unless I want to jump I've cut. I kite surfed and tow surfed and we never use straps. So I was just, I've been used to not using straps and all my sports. So the only time I decided I wanted to use straps and is when it's really windy and when I want to jump. But also if you have straps that makes it really hard to switch your feet because I go switch stamps when I'm winging it. If I don't go switch stance, like it hurts. Like my legs lock up and your back it's kinda tweaked. So I have to go switch dance to me. It feels good to balance your body. And if you have straps in there, it makes it hard to switch. And if you're on a prone board, there's not even room for another strap. But if you want to just switch stance. So I do, like I said, I do put straps in, but usually only when it's really windy and when I'm trying to do jumps, so I'm still learning on how to jump good. But that is a day with straps. So you'll end up like putting this straps on and off your board regularly. Like you take them off and put them back on, take them off. I am. Yeah. So this is a day. So what, I ended up getting a Jimmy Lewis from my friend for as a light wind board, because my Barela board just got too heavy. And so this is a day just like few weeks ago on that Jimmy Lewis sport. So yeah, no straps and I'm, I like being able to move my feet around. But there's a case to be said for having straps and not having straps. Can you give some pointers on switching stance? I dunno, I learned. I learned and moved down to the smaller board pretty quickly. And I never really learned how to switch my stance. So I met you and you told me that back to a bigger board to learn it. So I'm like, ah, sorry, is, do not start to learn without going switch. So you can't learn to wing, then go back and try to do switch. That's I don't know anybody that's done that. If you're going to learn to wing, learn, switch at the same time, if you've already learned waiting, and now you're trying to learn, switch based and just accept the fact that you're going to be horrible. And you're going to, you're basically learning how to foil all over again, because remember learning how to foil initially it's wait a minute, front foot weight. Push really hard on the front foot. And that's what you have to train your brain to do for switch stands. And it's not going to happen immediately, but I probably put like a good week into doing it. Like every day where it, it started clicking. But what I would do is first you ride, switch, not on foil, so don't let the foil come out of the water, put all your weight forward and just ride, switch with the board on top of that water. And then when you're ready to come up, let weight off your front foot, come up and then push it back down. Don't try to come up and start gliding because your body doesn't know how to do that yet. You need to teach your body. So come up, push it down, come up, push it down. And you're like training your brain to go switch and you're training your front leg. And then. If you do that enough, you'll fall a few times. You will figure it out. But I know a lot of people just don't want to put that effort into it, but if I don't go switch my back, my, my leg cramps up my back hurts. So you get used to it, I guess like my hips used to always be sore for a minute, but now it doesn't bother me anymore. And I could go up when pretty steep going by twisted up. But yeah, I don't know. But and then the other thing is like switching your stance while you're up on foil. Is there like what's your trick to doing that? First be really comfortable going switch before you even try that. And then if you are comfortable going switch. What I found with so much of winging and all these different tricks tax and jumping and everything is the biggest obstacle is like in your own mind. And if you like overthink things too much, then you're going to psych yourself out and convince yourself that you can't do it. And the, I, when I want to go switch, basically what I do is I wait until I go over a little lump and the nose of the board comes up and I'll just, and, but the biggest thing is just do it without overthinking it. And then the quicker you do things and just know that it's, you might fall a few times, but don't overthink it. And the more I don't overthink things, the easier they are to just do them. I know it's easier said than done. Yeah. I just started doing, just start hopping back. If you can go switch Sanchez. Just hop to start hopping and put your feet the other way. And eventually it'll just start clicking. Yeah. Yeah. The last interview I did was with Kendall wild and really liked what he, the way he put it was I guess he likes to really get technical in his mind and think about how everything works and stuff and be in that state of mind before he gets on the water. But then once you're doing it, you just have to let your body hat make, or let it happen basically. Or, your body automatically takes over and you just look where you want to go. And so maybe talk about that. Like when you get into the, when you're really into it and just everything's just clicks and you're in tune and no wrong yeah. Sorry, go ahead. How many, so many athletes they talk about that, like you, you have to envision it and, think about that. I think that's what came things is he has to understand the mechanics. And I probably I'd probably go through that in my head too. You have to envision see yourself doing it, but then yeah, once you're on the water like you don't need to think about that anymore. Just become one with the ocean, just be so happy that you're out there and take in the glory of it all, whether or not you're ripping or killing it, that doesn't matter. And just go with the flow. And if you want to do a jive, you want to switch your feet. You want to jump, just just do it. Don't overthink. It just embrace the place you're in. And what I see is so many people get so upset. They get so frustrated when things go wrong and don't worry about it supposed to be hard. If it's the, wouldn't be fun, if it wasn't hard, just have fun. And the whole process of trying and falling. And yeah, that's what I do. I just go out, like, when I was pregnant, it was just one side. It'd be up on foil. I'd be like, Oh, all my worries are gone. And you just do your best. And when you think you want to switch your feet or jumped, just don't think about it. Just say I want to jump and just do it. You might not make it. It's okay. So that's the attitude I take with all my sports is, it's going to be hard. It's going to suck, but enjoy that part of it. Yeah. So do you have any tips to get into that, right? That state of mind where you're just enjoying it and then you're in the moment and you're not like getting mad at yourself for not being good enough or something like that. It's appreciate appreciation, like appreciating where you are, that you even have the opportunity to like, have a wing in your hand, like we're so lucky, like in America we can do these things and just appreciating that you get that experience. So many people don't get to do the things we do. So I think it just comes down to appreciation mostly. I like that. So are you are you working on any new tricks or like what's your anything you're trying to pull off that you're not that good at yet or any so while I was pregnant, my husband's like, when are you going to do attack? And I was like I don't want to fall right now because I'm really hassle me every day. When are you going to do it to act? And I'm like, okay, now I'm learning to do attack. I'm not pregnant. So I started doing tax, but I I do come, you have to wait until it's no, the right situation where you're like all, when you come out of a wave and you're almost tacking or the wind, so off shore that it's makes it just so easy to tack. What's your stance before you tack or after you tack? It depends. It depends which way you're going. Yeah. So I guess if I'm tacking, if I'm going back out to see all B I haven't switched my stance, so I'll still be tweaked. And then you like tack into a wave and then you're still in your regular stance. But then, on the other side of the Island, everything's obviously right. So just, but he's always gives me a hard time that I'm not into learning tricks. Cause I'm such like a surfer, like I want to serve mostly more than anything. But yeah, so I'm starting tax. Sometimes I get them sometimes they don't and then I stopped jumping too while I was pregnant, because that's probably not very safe when you're really racing. So I've gotten, I'm starting to get back into jumping and I want to learn to, hang like Annie star is she's so inspiring. But we just don't get the same wind that they get. So we don't always have those strong gusts to be able to jump. And then watching you jump how you do a cut back and then you kinda jump as you're doing a cut back. I've saw you do that the other day. And I was like that. I need to learn that, jumping a lot of it is like turning into the wind. So you kinda, that way you get more hang time, the more you can. Go up when in your jump, the more you can hang in the wind wing and the softer the landing is too, and you don't definitely don't want to jump just like straight with the sideways to the winter going downwind. Cause then you have no more pressure once you're up in the air. I don't know. But yeah, that works really well on the North shore because I can jump in my regular stance on the wave and that's super fun actually. Yeah. So that's, that was, yeah. I kept seeing you do those. I was like, Oh, okay. That's how I learned. Most things it's just watching other people. It was like, Oh, I'll just try and copy what they did. Yeah, no, it's actually, that's a good way to learn, to tack, to just go behind someone that's attacking him. Just try to do exactly what they did. Yeah. Don't think about it. Just say, Oh, that looked easy. I'll try it. Have you taught other people how to wing foil and like what's your process or what do you do to teach others how to get through? I've taught a bunch of people how, and I'm like, I'll go in the water and I'll hold the board so they can get on their knees. So I really drill that whole getting on your knee thing and then holding the wing, like that is super important. And just that couple of basic little things are super important. And then my most favorite way, and not everybody agrees with this, but my favorite way to teach people how to wing is to take them on a really long down winder. So they can just fall their way down when, for five miles. So I taught my friend, my one friend like this, and by I think it was like five, six, seven miles. And like the last mile he started getting it. He fell for the entire time until the last mile. And then he was like, Started going back and forth. And I was like, I, yes, I knew it. I knew this was a good way to teach people. Yeah. That's actually how we learn to like Derek comma and Jeff Chang. And I, we just did like Hawaii Chirons instead of, we were always trying to do it on windy days with a paddle, stand up foiling and it was so hard. And then with the wing, it was hard too in the beginning, but then once you get it, it's so much easier when you have the wing than trying to do it with a paddle, and just being able to not have to worry about staying up wind and just going downwind. And so you just, cause you have to get. To the end. So you just figure out how to do that. And I, the most important thing is to have a positive attitude because you will fall a thousand times. And I, every I'd come by my friend each time, like you, okay. I need a big smile on his face. He's I'm fine. I'm like perfect. By the end, he got it. So yeah, if you can find a place to do a long downwind or somewhere where it's safe, you're not getting blown out to sea. That's optimal because yeah. It can be a struggle trying to stay up when you're first learning. Yeah. That's a good tip. I like that. But as long as you, as long as you can get back and maybe have someone who can help, go with you, that can keep an eye on your insulin, do it alone. Like I'm always I'm always willing. Anybody wants to learn and I'll do a down winder with you. I always say that to people and I'll just be with them, and I'll bring my cell phone and a Fanny pack. And just make sure they make it back to the beach. And then I'll just have fun doing circles around them. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. We have such a great flow community here on the wahoo too. It's everybody's so just how everyone's having fun and open and it's not I guess shortboarding can be so like I dunno, so competitive and yeah. It's almost like playing chess where people try to like, or psych each other out and stuff like that, where you're trying to get the next wave and try to like outmaneuver everyone else to be able to catch the next wave and stuff like that. And wing flailing is like totally different where it's just not like that. No, it's, we're like so stoked when our friends on our wave and like teaching people, everybody wants to help each other. Yeah. And surfing is so such an one of my, my, my husband stopped because it's so like aggressive and angry. I'm better than you kind of mentality. And so that's why I really, I think during this interview he laughed, he like took off to go winging. Yeah. But I guess if wing for lane all of a sudden there's 10 times as many wing filers on the water. It might be a little bit different again, too. But I think right now it's just yeah, everyone's just having fun and everybody knows each other. And we have this WhatsApp group and everybody's like posting, Oh, it's windy here. It's windy here or whatever. And there's waves and this and that. So everyone's just like sharing all the information, which is, I think it's awesome. So opens up so many more places, where, there's so many places you can go we haven't even touched so many places you can probably wing. That's true. And that's, what's so cool too, about being on an Island is that, there's always, it's always side shore somewhere or onshore somewhere. And like there's waves on one side or the other side usually, or, you can like, yeah. And you can get pretty much anywhere in an hour. So I'd say that's pretty awesome about a wall who, that we have so many spots that are right. And he's got so many options. So I just don't see getting crowded. Yeah. And the open ocean is just if you, like you said, if you'd just doing downwinders and writing open ocean swells, there's really no limit to how many people can do it. It's like really there isn't. Yeah. That's what I love about it. That kind of brings us to like what do you see for the future? Like how you think Wing's gonna progress and what do you see for any ideas for equipment and just progression and so on? What do you see for the future? Pre foiling, like kite surfing was like the wind sport, and every most surfers you talk about kite surfing and they're like not interested in

#76 Esse começo de música não me sai da cabeça, Você pediu Uma oportunidade mais uma chance Como Deus é bom né não nego? Olha aí, mais um dia todo seu Que céu azul louco hein? Imagina o John Florence entendendo o que o Mano Brown diz e ouvindo Sou + Você antes de entrar na final do Pipe Masters contra o Gabriel. Começou o circuito de 2021 e você ganhou exatamente o que esperava. Uma final entre os dois surfistas da década na arena onde Gabriel é o principal gladiador, pelo menos com a camiseta de competição. Ítalo deixou tudo no mar, até sangue. Slater fazendo das suas prestes a completar 49 anos e se apresentando como candidato ao título. Mulheres começando uma longa história de amizade com Pipeline. Reinaldo Andraus relatando seus campeões que nunca foram através dos tempos. 50 anos de Pipe Masters e 30 anos sem Rubem Braga escrevendo pra você e pros 3 amigos sobre praia, mar e passarinhos. Música de Gana de 1976 e do Peru amazônico. Boia iniciando as nossas transmissões. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/boia/message

In this nailbiting debut, we sit down with Tom Bridge and listen to his 6 songs from videos by Dylan Rieder, John Florence, Tyshawn Jones, Danny MacAskill and more. Tom's video choices are: 1) Pondlife (2002ish) Song: Queens of the Stong Age - Go With The Flow 2) Stefan Speissberger's segment in The Bubble (2017) Song: Omega - Gyöngyhajú Lány 3) Danny MacAskill's Inspired Bicycles (2009) 4) John Florence's A View From A Blue Moon (2015) Song: K. Ishibashi - I am the Antichrist to you 5) Dylan Rieder's Gravis Part (2007) Song: Graham Nash - Better Days 6) Tyshawn Jone's segment in BLESSED (2018) Song: Rick Ross - B.M.F

Many thanks to SRAA contributor, Tom Gavaras, who shares the folowing recording and notes:KUSW Shortwave from Salt Lake City, Utah recorded on December 26, 1987 received at 2040 UTC on 17715 kHz. Includes rock music, national commercials, newscast, frequency schedule and announcements by John Florence. Ends with something similar to an interval signal. Music and commercials are scoped.Broadcaster: WUSW Worldwide RadioDate of recording: 12/26/1987Starting time: 2040 UTCFrequency: 17.715 MHzRX location: Minnetonka, MNReceiver and antenna: ICOM R71A with longwire

The Lipped Virtual Tour heads west for the Margaret River Pro presented by Dragon. Join Jimmy, Cahill and Harry along with special guests Nick Carroll and Chris Binns as we head west to see if John Florence can continue his dominance at Margies. While Jordy is in yellow it's John Florence who has all the momentum heading to Margaret River after winning his second Bells in two years.  Meanwhile Gabriel Medina has found consistency early in the season and sits just off the pace. It's made up surfing at it's finest and as always it's fuelled by Salt Lager!

Julian Wilson brings a head of steam from his victory on the Gold Coast and looks to get back to back event wins at the 2020 Virtual Rip Curl Pro. The commentary team is joined for special comments from Quiksilver APAC Team Manager Sam Griffiths and super coach Stace Galbraith. Can Medina and Ferriera lead a Brazilian comeback or can the defending event champion John Florence bounce back from an early exit on the Gold Coast. Plus what happened to Jeremy's boards last year, just how quick did Harry throw Jack Freestone off the shark ski and how pissed was Malia Manuel with the little bell last year. All this and more! Fuelled by Salt Lager and supported by Dragon and URBNSURF

We sit down with John Florence of XIMA to discuss the continued evolution of their Chronical #CallAccounting solution for both Avaya Aura and IP Office. HTML user interface provides better security and reduced server footprint. Recently OEM by Avaya as Avaya Call Recording for the Avaya IP Office. John opens up about the value of the DevConnect Program and how it has helped them to get to where they are today with Avaya.

Conductor Elim Chan speaks to John Florence at De Montfort Hall in Leicester in a fascinating pre-concert talk that covers ballet, dreams of being a coroner and why conducting orchestras can be like dating. www.philharmonia.co.uk

On this week's episode of the World's Greatest Action Sports Podcast, the boys talk about, the Tahiti Pro Presented by Hurley, with big results coming from Conner Coffin, Jordy Smith, Sebastian Zietz, Michel Bourez, and Peterson Crisanto. Also, ECSC, John Florence goes for the Olympic comeback, Lana Del Rey premiere's “F*ck You I Love You” surf video, the 2019 ESPN Body Issue athletes announced and will include the Eagles Offensive Line: Super Bowl Champions 2018, Alex Honnold, Climber, Amanda Nunes, UFC Champion, and WSL surfer Lakey Peterson! Plus we dive deep in to Who Is JOB Season 9.0, Yeppon Wave Pool, Ivy Being Ivy (Ivy screens our call again), John Rattray is on his 3rd year raising funds for mental health, AVE's new pro shoe for Vans as well as his pick for favorite skateboarder, the AdventureIO App, The Righteous Gemstones, a bunch of new Star Wars stuff, new Breaking Bad movie, and so much more including Todd getting naked for an unsolicited ESPN Body Issue photo Shoot, coming soon …   Presented by:   Ogio Bags NanocraftCBD Active Skin Repair Wave Soda Chemistry Surfboards Pannikin Coffee And Tea The Folklore Project X Quincy Woodwrights YewOnline.com

Conductor Pablo Heras-Casado chats with John Florence ahead of a concert at De Montfort Hall in Leicester with the Philharmonia Orchestra. They discuss how Pablo got his slightly unusual start in conducting, his love of early music, and the importance of the conductor to champion less popular repertoire.

It's a quick turn around from Bali so in part one of a two part episode Jimmy and Cahill are joined by the man behind Lipped's music and legendary Victorian surfer Johnny Hawken to break down all the highlights, lowlights and news from Bali. The crew also look ahead to the Margaret River Pro and Cahill breaks down exactly what John Florence did in 2017. Judging rants, a look at the details of Kanoa Igarashi's surfing and the counter point to Chas Smith's call for a seperate criteria for women. It's so surf it hurts and as always it's fuelled by the legends at Salt Brewing Co. 

John Florence, host of KRCL's "A Brand New Day" (weekdays 6-10am on KRCL 90.9FM), walks Andy through Sutherland's, John's favorite local hardware store. Andy picks up an Oklahoma accent, reveals the healing power of the "shath," and the two explore the merits of the latest digital mousetrap. @rockadayjohnny @wanderingAisles

Gabriel Medina prepares for battle against John Florence, as the days count down to the 2017 World Title Showdown at Pipeline. www.ripcurl.com.au For more rad content www.skuff.tv/ facebook.com/SkuffTV/ instagram.com/skufftv/ vimeo.com/skufftv youtube.com/user/wwwskufftv

Gabriel Medina prepares for battle against John Florence, as the days count down to the 2017 World Title Showdown at Pipeline. www.ripcurl.com.au For more rad content www.skuff.tv/ facebook.com/SkuffTV/ instagram.com/skufftv/ vimeo.com/skufftv youtube.com/user/wwwskufftv

Presented by Rip Curl  Join Jimmy & Cahill as they dive deep into their home WCT event the Rip Curl Pro from Bells Beach. From the surfing to the parties they have all the news, views and insights straight from the event. They also look forward to the Margaret River Pro where last year John Florence produced one of the most complete surfing performances in the history of the sport. Our special guest this episode is none other than Jon Pyzel, the shaper who created The Ghost that helped John's performance at Margarets last year and of course propelled him to his second world title. We also chat with Jon about his shaping origins, winning back to back Stab in the dark contests and shaping for some of the best big wave riders in the world. So much surf it hurts all fuelled by Rogue Wave Brewing and presented by Rip Curl

Jimmy & Cahill sit down with legendary surf journalist Sean Doherty who is fresh back from Hawaii where he witnessed the crowning of John Florence as the 2 x World Champ, Jeremy Flores as a 2 x Pipe Master and Gabriel Medina as public enemy number one. We also chat Wave Pools, Olympics, meetings with the CEO of the WSL and hear a shout out from Iggy Pop. All this plus enough banter and good times to keep Santa entertained all Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas 2018 from Lipped!

Jimmy & Cahill are joined by 4 x World Surfing Champion and one of the most influential surfers of all time the legendary Mark Richards. They also chat John Florence, scoring single manoeuvres, crystal balls 2017 and break down the Billabong Pipe Masters. News, views and irrelevant banter.....Lipped will kiss you where you feel good. Oh and did we say MR!!!!!