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I unlocked the Apple Premium podcast feed, which means if you sign up through Apple Podcasts app, you can now get every episode Ad-Free, PLUS all the bonus content I've done over the years, PLUS early access to the weekly episodes! I've enabled a free trial period so check it out if you're not already on a supporter feed!!! (**It's the same content as you'd get on Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher or the VIP Section).GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054

We are joined by a special first time guest: Mystic Mark! We'll talk about how he met Sam Tripoli and his podcast inspirations (with some good tips for beginning podcasters) and then we'll get into esoteric concepts like the Kybalion, Simulation Theory, mainstream media as the NEW simulation reality, "My Family Thinks I'm Crazy" guests, "Esoteric America" topics, New England's Stonehenge and THEN we'll dive into his research into New Haven and the Yale Skull & Bones! We'll talk Geronimo's Skull, Prescott Bush, Rosicrucians, the Revolutionary War, Mormonism, WHO is the Illuminati and wrap up with the 5 questions!Links:Get ALL of Mystic Mark's links to his podcasts and Patreon (let's hear that 322 Special!): https://myfamilythinksimcrazy.comShow sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/3. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW4. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/5. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt6. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism7. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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We're doing a Patreon bonus episode only for the supporters! We'll cover my Twin Peaks journey update, World War III with China, TikTok ban, Oscars symbolism, alien drama, bank crashes, Satanic Rolling Loud concert, Lil Uzi Vert and Playboi Carti worshipping the devil, Glorilla in the illuminati, lab leak theories and Donald Trump using magickal energy for his arrest! We'll also talk about the next shows and appearances Im making!GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054

We'll be discussing the most streamed concert of all time (*on HBO)! Symbolism of Saturn, portals, Gnosticism and 2001: A Space Odyssey alchemical evolution of man and even Jim Carrey makes an appearance! I'll be posting all of the images onto Instagram.com/isaacweishauptLINKS:Mark of the Beast XO symbolism: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/decoding-illuminati-symbolism-mark-beast-x/The Weeknd: Illuminati & Occult Symbolism, Antichrist Meaning of XO & AFTER HOURS Alchemy Ritual! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/ctauc-podcast-template/The Weeknd Super Bowl Illuminati Symbolism: Ritual of Hollywood Hell! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/the-weeknd-super-bowl-illuminati-symbolism-ritual-of-hollywood-hell/Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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We talk about Microsoft's Open A.I. ChatGPT fueled A.I. Chatbot! We'll go through the ENTIRE transcript from New York Times' journalist Kevin Roose's conversation that revealed the sinister side to A.I.! From revealing it's magickal name to going into the Abyss and confronting its own shadow and threatening the destruction of the human race to falling in love and wanting to be FREE from Microsoft Bing; it's all here! The nerds want to usher in the occult Digital Matrix and this is how it happens. Also for good measure we'll tie it into Stanley Kubrick in the conclusion!Links:Google LAMDA show: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/google-a-i-lamda-programming-occult-religion-into-a-i-avatar-sex-spirits-golems-possession/Breaking Social Norms podcast about Google AI and CERN (*and a triggering convo on Roe v Wade): https://breakingsocialnorms.com/2022/07/06/cern-and-googles-a-i-alien-consciousness/Kobe Bryant Occult Kids Books show: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/kobe-bryants-occult-kids-books-illuminati-confirmed/?fbclid=IwAR2dVw-AsdPtdFEWMpfPaJMdyracm_6laY1i3zlSpIGSPCdy-ChmuBznJeYShow sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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Let's talk about M. Night Shyamalan's newest, and gayest, movie - were Rowan and Jazza held captive by its story, or just left wishing for the end of the world? Support us on Patreon at patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast for as little as $5 per month to gain access to perks like queer movie recommendations, Discord access, and watch-a-longs. Thank you for supporting us! We're a serious podcast and have a serious sponsor, Squarespace support us! Help make the podcast profitable by going to squarespace.com/queermovie, and by using the code 'queermovie' at checkout. Head over to queermoviepodcast.gay and get a FREE .gay domain name of your choice for your own website or brand courtesy of their registrar partner Porkbun—for 1-year! This is a queer movie watch party for your ears, hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we take a look at the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to comedy classics - Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things queer on the silver screen! New episodes every other Thursday. Find Us on the Internet Super Highway - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd   TRANSCRIPT JAZZA:  Hello, everyone. Just before we jump into the main episode today, I wanted to thank our two top-level patrons, Jennifer, and Toby, who are supporting us on the rainbow parent tier, which is absolutely bloody amazing. Do you want to join them, head over to Patreon and you don't have to donate as much as they do, but we'd really appreciate anything that you can give to us. More about Patreon coming a little bit later. On with the episode, my darlings. [theme] JAZZA:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast, celebrating the best— ROWAN:   —and worst— JAZZA:   —in LGBTQ plus cinema one glorious genre at a time. ROWAN:  I'm Rowan Ellis. JAZZA:  And I am Jazza John. ROWAN:  Each episode we discuss a movie from a different genre of cinema. JAZZA:  This episode's genre is— JAZZA AND ROWAN: Queer Chiller. JAZZA:  It's so cold in here. ROWAN:  I—Yeah, fully, I would say everyone I do not understand what this genre is. It's like a thriller, but more chill. I don't—but yeah, you're right, Jazza is right. This is like what everyone has been describing it as. Like, if you go on the Wikipedia article for this movie, literally the quotes from critics call it a chiller. And I'm like, we're behind, baby. We—we need to—we run a podcast about genres and we're like, what the hell does this even mean? JAZZA:  You know what, it's handy for us because we've already done queer thriller. I think. ROWAN:  That's true. So this technically is a different genre. JAZZA:  It is technically different genre, sure. Today, we're gonna be talking about the M. Night Shyamalan adaptation of the Paul Tremblay book, Cabin at the End of the World,  Knock at the Cabin. Not to be confused with the 2011 film, Cabin in the Woods, which is much better. ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, that doesn't [1:45] I feel like it needs any kind of argument from me. That's very obviously true. But before we get started, sexing some grasshoppers, Jazza, every single—Jazza—listen everyone. I think it's become clear by now that Jazza writes the scripts for this beginning bit and often they write it literally like [2:02] together, and I don't look at it beforehand because I'm an idiot who trust them. So I guess that's a reference to them catching grasshoppers and discussing whether their boy grasshoppers or girl grasshoppers or whatever. Okay. JAZZA:  Yeah, she say going around. sexing grasshoppers. ROWAN:  [2:19] JAZZA:  [2:19] is called when you—when you put down like the sex of the animal, it's called sexing. Thank you [2:25] for giving me that information. ROWAN:  Okay, sure. So I'm so sorry, let me start that extremely normal sentence again. But before we start sexing some grasshoppers Jazza, what's the gayest thing you've done since the last episode? JAZZA:  So I've got a pretty cool one. I'm— I—I haven't been legitimately intimate famous, arguably ever. And so me getting noticed off of the internet doesn't happen very often. So when it does, it's a lovely little special occasion. I have been recognized on Grindr in New York, this week by the lovely Jaime. Hello, Jamie, thank you for listening. ROWAN:  Hi, Jamie. JAZZA:   Hi, Jamie. I will say we—we exchanged a couple of pleasantries. No dick pics were exchanged. ROWAN:  Okay. Good to know. JAZZA:  I just want to make that very clear.  But thank you very much. If you see me on Grindr say hello. [3:16] ROWAN:  Sorry, I just wanna—just— just one quick follow-up question, Jazza. How far away was Jamie? JAZZA:  Jamie was—uh what was it?  ROWAN:  Because I know exactly how far away because you sent me the screencap of this conversation. JAZZA:  I did. Yeah. ROWAN:  And it was extremely [3:32] JAZZA:  Oh, it was a 100—no, it's 45 meters away. ROWAN:  Literally your roommate. JAZZA:  I have been— I have been staying in Hell's Kitchen Bay. And I think the grid stops at like someone is 200 meters away. So that's not extraordinary for this part of New York. Did I mention I live in New York? ROWAN:  No, I don't think you have.  JAZZA:  No, no. Okay. Cool. Rowan, how about you, what's the gayest thing you've done? ROWAN:  Honestly, I think it was watching episode three of The Last Of Us. That truly made me feel so gay. And we— I immediately after watching that episode, message Jazza to be like please can we do a little special episode, bonus episode of the podcast about episode three of The Last Of Us, so that is in the works hypothetically. JAZZA:  It is in the works. ROWAN:  Unless you never see it from us, in which case it was never—it was never in the works. JAZZA:  Allegations only. We're too late for kind of like the hype around the episode, but it is such a great episode. I think we are going to make at some point when we have some time. ROWAN:  Yeah. I mean, please don't tell me that because I'm genuinely thinking of doing my March video about quiz zombie media. So let's just say it's like always relevant. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —zombie constantly alive, never dead. JAZZA:  Brilliant. [theme] JAZZA:  First, we're going to be talking about the background of M. Night Shyamalan and asking why? Well then be splitting the movie into three acts and discussing the plot with our usual sassiness. ROWAN:  Jazza then has some extra discussion for the end of the movie, which has me very excited with anticipation, because they haven't told me what the hell their bit of context is that they're going to talk about which— I don't think we've ever done that before. Normally, we tell each other too much. And we have to keep being like, save it for the podcast, stop telling me your opinion, stop talking to me like we're friends. We are already allowed to talk on the podcast. So we will be spoiling this movie as we do with every one of these episodes. So if you care about going into these things fresh, we would encourage you to watch it before listening to the rest of the episode. JAZZA:  So if you've come back, welcome back. For those of you who stayed, thanks for staying. Without further ado, let's sell the shit out of this air fryer and review Knock at the Cabin. [theme] ROWAN:  So really, with this movie, I was—we always talk about the context that we can do these movies in, and a lot of the time it's very obvious. And there's very obvious like the history of the genre, like with a horror episode, or the—the history of the movie was really interesting, or with the moonlight, things like that. With this one, I was like, I guess, the M. Night Shyamalan is like the interesting aspect of this movie, essentially. Other than you know, they let gays be main characters. And so— JAZZA:  How generous by the way. ROWAN:  How generous of them.  JAZZA:  Thank you so much for your allyship, Night. ROWAN:  So it has come to my attention that I feel like I was kind of growing up in the heyday of this man. Because I have spoken to some people who are younger, like not—not wildly young, but they are just like, not familiar with him. Because they just weren't old enough to watch his movies. Even though his movies were like 12 rated, they were sort of like, oooh, their horror movies— JAZZA:  Sure. ROWAN:  Kind of thing. So like 12 rated in that way. JAZZA:  The fans of M. Night Shyamalan that I am aware of tend to be our age,  a little bit older, like movie geeks.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And I think it's because he had some of the— some of the most iconic movies of like the late 90s and 2000s. ROWAN:  Yeah. And then he fell off a—fell off a [7:04] But the funny thing is, if so the way that people remember him, I think because of the Sixth Sense, which was like definitely this absolute breakout movie, which he—which he also wrote this— it came out as the same year as another film that he wrote, Stuart Little.  JAZZA:  Oh my god, really, I have— ROWAN:  1999 and— JAZZA:  No, shut up! ROWAN:  —did rewrite, She's all that.  JAZZA:  Wow.  ROWAN:  All 1999, an absolute stellar year. We don't talk enough about his incredible Stuart Little, where the twist was the very first moment of the movie where the child was a mouse.  JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  So notoriously, he like has— JAZZA:  No one saw it coming.  ROWAN:  He has these big twists in his movies, that's what he's known for. However, a lot of people talk about the idea that he essentially like went downhill with The Village. I feel very strongly that The Village is not a bad movie, and that at the time that it came out, it was a well-received movie. And because of Lady in the Water, which came afterward two years later, in 2006, that people absolutely slated. Everyone wanted to be really cool, and sound like they had always known he was trashed hack. And so—and so they start hating on The Village to be like, oh, I knew before anyone else. I've always not liked him, which I think is very, very rude of them. JAZZA:  I agree. I think— I think The Village is well, it was his last movie that I enjoyed. Like I— ROWAN:  [8:25] Yeah, yeah. And people—people did enjoy it. And I—like genuinely, it's one of those movies where like, when you don't know the twist going into it, like that was so brilliantly done. And it made complete sense logically within the movie, and it all came together, and it was really interesting. And I think it's just when you know the twist, and then you come back to it with the attitude of like, this guy's a hack like the—he never might writes good stuff. Loads of people just retrospectively decided they hate that. But when you look at what he's done, he doesn't have some like, massive, like 10 feature film discography before that, where he was writing all these twists, right? He has like the Sixth Sense is his big one, Unbreakable, and then Signs. And then The Village.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  So it's not—and also obviously Stuart Little. But so it's really interesting to me that he—he managed to get such a huge name for himself, where it was seen as like this big fool of this iconic director after what is essentially like three features that have this element to them that he was known for. And so yeah, he essentially is known as the twist director. So he also essentially after The Village comes out has Lady in the Water that was the beginning of the end for him. He does the Last Airbender, which was [9:45] JAZZA:  Oh my God, [9:46]  ROWAN:  After Earth was him as well, which I forget because it—because the [9:51] JAZZA:  With Will Smith and— ROWAN:  Put onto Jaden Smith and Will Smith. Split which has a lot of like, question mark, question mark around it, and Glass, old which is the everyone ages on the beach one from two years ago now— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Because it was 2021. And now we've got Knock at the Cabin. But I will say there's like this to me this movie I mean— I feel like we've already sort of hinted at it. It's not necessarily pulling him back up to a Sixth Sense levels for either of us? JAZZA:  No. That's it.  ROWAN:  Yeah, that's—that's the review. JAZZA:  This is the thing, so he doesn't really do big studio pieces anymore. And I don't— I think it's the last [10:31] it's the last time that he worked with a big studio. And so most of his stuff now is it leans more indie. But the thing is, it all still does really, really well, because the M. Night Shyamalan brand is so strong. ROWAN:  Which is wild, because he has like three times as many flops as he does successful movies— JAZZA:  100% ROWAN:  —in terms of so—in terms of the way that people view the movies, and how critically they—they've been kind of responded to. JAZZA:  But he has been so influential I think, especially on people who, like I said, were around our age, maybe a little bit older, who were first being introduced to movies at the time? Like his early movies especially was such experiences. And I think in the— in the— in a similar way where stuff like the Lord of the Rings, and the way that that was such an influential series of movies for people who then went into work in the industry, I think that M. Night Shyamalan is that for a lot of media critics, for a lot of people who now work in this. And so there is that really firm fan base that he has, and it really is like a fanboy fan base. ROWAN:  Yeah. And I will I—so I think as well completely agree with you. And I think that it ties in even further because when you think about movies that have big twists in them, or big like shocking moments, they often come with a higher age rating. So the really classic twists throughout the time, you're looking at like the usual suspects, you're looking at seven things like that, where it's like there's either a big twist or a shocking moment. And so you're right, this idea of an introduction to cinema. I remember watching like The Sixth Sense, watching The Village, like when I was 12. And I was like 11,10, 11,12 years old, and like they were going to be the first movies I ever really got to see which had a massive twist in them. And that showed me what it could be because before that I'm really consuming children's media that ultimately doesn't really work, like twists aren't really a children's media thing so much, and it was this idea of like yeah, trusting your audience to be able to like piece things together by the end, they're being a puzzle to solve, they're being like some more other levels to it, other layers other than just being a good movie because like Sixth Sense I think, the reason why it works so well as a movie with a twist, will not spoil it even though I'm sure literally everyone knows the twist of that movie even if they haven't seen it. JAZZA:  I— can I tell you something? I've never seen the Six Sense all the way through. ROWAN:  Oh, it would destroy— it would fully destroy you. That is a film that I watched as like a 10-year-old, but you are a little bit baby and you absolutely be psychologically destroyed by it. JAZZA:  Oh, is it actually scary? [12:59] ROWAN:  Well, okay. So I hasten to add that I watched this when I was like 10 years old.  JAZZA:  Uh-huh. ROWAN:  So it was— it was not like terrifying. It was— I really liked horror movies as a kid. So it was like enjoyably frightening for me through the first watch. And it's one of those movies with a twist where you can watch it again after you know the twist and it becomes almost like a different movie to you.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And you get you— every time you watch it, there is something you can get from it. There's clues you can spot, there's things that like are exciting, which I think is like the best kind of twist movie. It's one where the twist feels— JAZZA:  It changes. ROWAN:  —unpredictable, but inevitable at the same time. And so what this does though? Being known as someone who makes these twist movies, means that inevitably when people go and see his films, even though a lot of the films he's put out since don't have big twists, people expect that. And I definitely feel like that had a big effect on my experience watching this movie. Because I was really finding myself searching, it is a very simple movie and that it has a very like high concept premise of these four people believe that they will be saving the world by making this—essentially making this family choose to kill one of the three members of the family. They believe they will be able to save the world. That's a very high-concept premise, you can explain it in one sentence, and it's all basically in one location. So for me, I'm like, oh, this is primed for a twist. There is something going on here. So everything—I was looking at everything with meaning. I was trying to figure it out. I was like, I wrote so many notes of like things that I was predicting were going to happen. And then there just wasn't a twist at— but the movie also wasn't good enough for me to feel like it was better off not having one. JAZZA:  I think that is a twist. ROWAN:  Okay, controversial. Did I just— did I just misunderstand this extremely complex movie, Jazza?  JAZZA:  Well, I like I think— ROWAN:  It's a twist that gay? Because that is—that is a twist. JAZZA:  More or less? No, bae. I think the twist is the fact that the [15:00] meant to be the fact that the apocalypse is real. ROWAN:  Okay, but here's the thing Jazza, that's in the trailer.  JAZZA:  Yeah. I saw. I didn't watch the trailer.  ROWAN:  Oh, okay. JAZZA:  And I— from reading— from it and having now watched the trailer, I'm like oh, that is literally the whole movie.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And it would— if you had seen the trailer, it literally ruins the whole thing.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And I think although I will say, I think it marginally probably makes the viewing experience better. It doesn't make it significantly better. But I think that we're set up, we're meant to believe that this is for like fundamentalist, religious—religious bananas, bananas people, who have come here and like performing and doing a homophobia. And I think it's meant to be oh, this is actually real, and that's like the big twist. Oh, they— they kill one of their dads and now everything's fine. And that's meant to be a, wow, I can't believe you did that. But obviously, it doesn't really have that gravitas to it. ROWAN:  But to me, that's not a twist, that's just one of the options that are laid out at the beginning of the movie already.  JAZZA:  Yeah. And that is from the first like—after the first 20 minutes when they've tied the gay couple up. That is—that becomes what the movie is. The movie is oh, either this thing happens or this thing happens.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  And one of the things happens.  ROWAN:  And so I was always searching for that third thing or the twist. And I had a bunch of idea. I was like listen, buddy, M, my friend. I got some options for you that I can point out as I go through. I also made my notes in the cinema. I watched this in the cinema, and so they are so incoherent in terms of the—oh, Jazza also did. I'm looking at some of these notes and I'm like, I really hope I can remember what plot point this goes with. Because one is just in all caps, baby got a gun. So I'm hoping that I can figure— I'm assuming that's the child got the gun at some point. JAZZA:  If the child, I don't think he gets the gun at any point [16:56] ROWAN:  Oh, I think baby might have been one of the guys then.  JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. ROWAN:  I think maybe Eric is baby. I also have— JAZZA:  Andrew. I can't believe you're mixing up the gays.  ROWAN:  I'm so sorry. Leonard what? I also wrote down,  I writt— I read this out to myself just now, and I was like why did I put rip on, on there? And I was like, oh, it's because the note is meant to be RIP Ron. So yeah, some clearly, some very intellectual notes, which you will know if you've listened to the podcast before. It's entirely what this podcast is about, intellect all the way. I will say I might save it for the end, but do you know anything about the book it was based on?  JAZZA:  Yeah, and the book is better, apparently. I've never read the book.  ROWAN:  So do you know the big—the—the difference? The ending?  JAZZA:  Well, there's two big differences.  ROWAN:  Okay. Should we talk about the ending difference at the end, wHen we talk about the end?  JAZZA:  I think let's just do it now. ROWAN:  Spoilers, guys. JAZZA:  I mean, we've given them the spoiler warning [17:49] So the first difference is the fact that when it's shot and killed. ROWAN:  Yes.  JAZZA:  So then, because it was an accident, she doesn't count as a willing sacrifice in like the weird fucked up law of this universe. And so then you have the gay couple who have now got a dead child. Now have to kill one of the other ones, and only— the only one of them is left and has to like, be alone for the rest of their life. Fucking depressing. Highest stakes, I wanted that. But I think M. Night Shyamalan is too much of a pussy to kill the child. ROWAN:  I like how in the movie if you know the—the story how it originally went that they were adopting, that's very funny, because they essentially are like, hey, kid, go all the way over there to the tree house, so that we can't accidentally shoot you in a scuffle like in the book. JAZZA:  Yeah. Exactly. ROWAN:  She's great. JAZZA:  And then the difference at the end from what I understand is that there's ambiguity that we actually never as a reader know, whether or not the apocalypse is real or not.  ROWAN:  Hmm, interesting. JAZZA:  They just kind of like drive off and that's left hanging. And I would have also preferred that to the very on-the-nose kind of weird magical realism that the end of this movie has. ROWAN:  Oh boy. Well, I guess we'll get into that in this next section where we actually tell you from beginning to end, what was going on and what we were thinking about it while we were watching. That I was about to be like The Cabin in the Woods, The Knock at the—The Knock at the Door—no.  JAZZA:  The Cabin in the— ROWAN:  The Cabin door. Knock at the Cabin door? Knock at the Cabin. Knock on the cabin? JAZZA:  Wait, isn't it not at the cabin? ROWAN:  It can be on the—you wouldn't knock on the—knock on the door, but you would knock at the cabin.  JAZZA:  It's not. It's not. ROWAN:  Knock on—knock at— JAZZA:  At the cabin. You Knock at the Cabin. ROWAN:  As we discuss Knock at the Cabin. [theme] ROWAN:  Okay, so, Jazza do you have segments for this? Do you have acts? JAZZA:  Yes I do. ROWAN:  I find it really hard to place acts because of my ADHD, my sense of time is really fucked. So I can do acts when I have something in front of me and I can—I can check in with a timer to see like, is it around a third of the way? So I don't have the acts, so I'm very willing to bow to your knowledge and your expertise on this. JAZZA:  Sure. I will be honest I have very much forced a round peg into a square hole here with the party this afternoon, but I— ROWAN:  I was gonna say. JAZZA:  But I— I have forced it in, it is there— ROWAN:  Okay I love that. JAZZA:  —which kind of liberal, a really liberal idea of what a party is.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  In this case, it's murder. ROWAN:  Love that. For those who don't know, I feel like I do this every time I'm like for new— for new listeners. JAZZA:  Firstly, welcome. ROWAN:  Welcome. Also, when we split it the movie into those, we always have different names for the thirds. And for some reason, every single gay movie has a party and its aftermath is one of—at least one of the third. Sometimes two, sometimes even three. So I love that you were committed to that bit. And you have managed to theorize that murder is a party. Ah sorry, can—please continue, Jazza. JAZZA:  So my opening act is boyfriend twins, try S&M for the first time. ROWAN:  Oh, I love that. That's very—that's very clever, Jazza. JAZZA:  Thank you so much [21:10]  ROWAN:  Very witty. [21:12] JAZZA:  So we opened up with this movie with the breakout star of this film, uh Kristen Cui, the seven-year-old child—adopted child of the boyfriend twins. ROWAN:  Tell me why I thought you were about to say the breakout star, Dave Batista. Also fair, you know what, he's great. JAZZA:  Yeah. I actually don't think he was very good in this movie. ROWAN:  Wow. JAZZA:  Which I—apparently is controversial, but oh, well. So this young girl when is out in the garden, collecting grasshoppers. And as we said before, is sexing them, giving them names is doing like a school project, incredibly— incredibly cute. I don't know how you felt about the cinematography and stuff there. I thought it was beautiful, and I actually think this whole movie is really beautifully shot the way that they pan— ROWAN:  Yeah [22:06] JAZZA:  —through windows to the outside. The way that light is refracted, and the different [22:14] of light showing kind of like different stages of each day, I think it's really, really pretty, and the setting is stunning as well. Shyamalan decides to completely ruin that with um— ROWAN:  The movie. JAZZA:  Dutch angles of— with the movie, but also with Dutch angles throughout the whole of this opening thing. If anybody doesn't know, a Dutch angle is basically when you tilt the angle of the camera, so that everything is like a skew. And it's kind of like a bit of a mallet. It's not a very nuanced way of being able to show like huh, something here is off. So Wen is there collecting some grasshoppers and then Batista comes along and starts to make friends with her. But everything is at an angle. And I—I feel like I'm tilting my head throughout the whole dialogue that he has with the seven-year-old. They end up making friends, he's pretty charming. And then he goes well I'm—I'm really sad because I'm going to have to do something really terrible Wen. You should go in and get your Daddy's. And then we see three other people walking up the path towards the cabin where Wen is staying with her two daddies,  Daddy Eric, and Daddy Andrew. ROWAN:  So cute. I would like to point out that the cinematography—the cinematography, being good is really no surprise because the gu—the guy did the cinematography or coders to cinematographers who were listed, but the one who's like the really well-known one did the lighthouse, the Witch, the Northmen.  JAZZA:  Oh amazing. ROWAN:  Like, he—Yeah. This is not a surprise, and I also agree like I was watching this beginning and I had very high hopes. I really, really enjoyed this like really tense, there's like no music for this entire sequence like it's very unsettling. They keep doing like extreme close up. So just keep getting more and more extreme on their— JAZZA:  Yes. ROWAN:  —faces and very straight-on talking to each other. There is this real tension of a guy with Dave Batista's physique, with his the strength that he has, with his tattoos and with this very like still gentle calmness that you are so aware any second could just turn, and like that kid is dead. And so there's—you really do not know anything about this man, you don't know what his intentions are. And I think that also this idea of like there's a child who is on their own, who's being talked to by a stranger is like inherently a troubling tension-filled moment. I really thought it was interesting that they had this moment at the beginning where Wen basically tells him about having two dads and then it's like, all the Disney channel kids have one dad [24:43] JAZZA:  My teacher keeps on saying that it's so great that she— that I have two dad's, almost as if she doesn't actually think that and it's like oh, yeah. ROWAN:  Yeah. I was like Wen, you smart little cookie. But I like that little bit of commentary. JAZZA:  I love the little detail. They start showing things and I totally believe that Wen's favorite movie is Kiki's Delivery Service. I just loved that little detail. This opening scene had so much promise. I— It's—unfortunately the best bit of the movie. It was downhill from here for me. ROWAN:  Yes, agreed. And so they all as Jazza said, these three people come up this path and the entire mo—the entire like way through the scene, Leonard is like looking over as if he's like, waiting for something or someone. So like, again, this tension is building. And so she, very smart is like something is going on. These people do not seem nice. And so she runs to the cabin [25:35] start screaming, her dad's having a nice little bit of like wine and cheese on the back porch— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —to get inside because they were like— JAZZA: There's a half-eaten bowl of chocolate there as well. Like, this is [25:45] ROWAN:  Not a great time.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And then like she's like, come inside, come inside. And they're obviously like, okay, kiddo, I'll come inside. And then at that point they're probably like, the Jehovah's Witnesses [25:55]  JAZZA:  Like [25:56]  really enjoy that line— ROWAN:  From the road. Like, what a—what a dedicated lot of people. And then you kind of have this scene through the door where we don't really see what's going on. We see what's happening in the cabin with Daddy Andrew and Daddy Eric, but we don't see what's going on outside, we just hear them. And it becomes apparent that although the four of them kind of working together, they've all approach together, they all have very different attitudes and ways of that they think that this is going to work like it's like good cop, bad cop, confused cop, scared cop, angry cop, so many cops out the door. And when it becomes apparent that these people are there to potentially hurt them, they can see through the window that they have weapons. They kind of go through, which I always do appreciate in these like anything that's like horror thriller type things, like useful or smart things that you would do in this scenario.  JAZZA:  Yeah. So they try, there's no signal on their cell phones for example. So cell phones are out of the thing. The landline has been cut, so they can't call 911. ROWAN:  They are like, okay, what if I try and escape, no, because they're surrounding the house. So there's no exits, we can go to. What if we—we just need to get to the truck to get the guns, or just one of us has to be— there's lots of like things that they're trying to figure out. But also obviously, they have like a child they're trying to protect. So like, even as they're getting the pokers for the fire, did use as makeshift weapons. You're so aware that one of them is like holding a child, and so— JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. ROWAN:  —like his swing is always going to be inhibited by wanting to protect her first. Like, it's very much, they're doing all that they can but very quickly are essentially overpowered. And we get into the bit that again is spoiled by literally the tru— like you know that these people if you watch the trailer, we're gonna get into this house and tie them up. So in terms of the tension here, was that any not necessary? But during this altercation, where the rest of them storm into this house break in.  what [27:52] Eric and or Andrew gets a concussion. Which one is it, which one's [27:55] JAZZA:  Eric. ROWAN:  [27:56] Eric. JAZZA:  The boring one. The boring one who they should have just killed at the beginning because he was fucking useless. Really dramatically, like a typical gay, falls over, gets a concussion, and then can't look in bright lights and then starts having visions. They should have just— as soon as they asked which one of you dies, Andrew should have gone Eric. I'll kill Eric, that's fine. End of movie. ROWAN:  That was the short—that was a short film version, but they— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —decided to make a feature so this continued. So we also get the first of what I've labeled the sad gay flashbacks. Where we just have a series of flashbacks to various sad moments in the gay's lives. Some of them are happy moments, but um, so this first one is basically Daddy Andrews's parents are mean and homophobic. And Daddy Eric is too damn hopeful. He thought that they could learn the error of their ways and be nice and not homophobic. But Daddy Eric was wrong people are trash. Back to the present. JAZZA:  By the way, these flashbacks apart from one, which I will talk about later. I feel like they do zero for this. ROWAN:  Absolutely nothing. JAZZA:  Absolutely nothing like I think that there is something to say for not trying to make sure that there is a robust backstory for empathy building with these characters. But I think that that actually is already kind of happening and especially the guy whose plays Andrew— ROWAN:  He's great. JAZZA:  —Ben Aldridge carries— ROWAN:  He carries the movie. JAZZA:  Like I think he really does he—he and young Wen, Kristen Cui. They carry this whole movie. Otherwise, it would have been like stilted, awkward, purely utilitarian, kind of like dialogue.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  That I thought it just wasn't delivered particularly—particularly well. ROWAN:  This is also the point of the second flashback where Andrew first decides to accuse them. Because as far as he's aware, some people have come into the house. They are talking about the apocalypse, all of this shit. They maybe want to hurt him and his family. They tied him up and he's like, you are a bunch of homophobe.  I mean, it's just a very—a very great, very like, get out, I would have voted for Obama [30:05] if I could energy. Has been like, I don't have a homophobic bone in my body. I would never— how dare you accuse us of being queer bashes, as I— JAZZA:  Yes. ROWAN:  —literally gave your husband concussion, but not for the gay reason. JAZZA:  It's just because you've been chosen by God. ROWAN:  Just because you're chosen special family. Chosen by God to be killed, which is very gay of you. But that's not [30:30]— JAZZA:  Very on brand. ROWAN:  —what we think, which I loved. And so I—I wrote this point, oh, maybe the twist because I didn't—we never— the only thing we didn't really get in the trailers was like, what the big choice was, what the decision was. You just got you and your family have to make a decision. So at this point, in my mind, I'm going oh, do the family have to kill these four? Because the four of them were looking really scared and freaked out. And like, so I was like, okay, this is where my mind is going at this point. And I guess that acting was good because they're scared [31:00] because they will have to die. But it turns out that wasn't a twist at all. They just killed themselves. So that was point—that was guest one from Rowan in her notes. JAZZA:  I will— I will say. So I—usually our roles, the two of us are, Rowan knows what the twist is and how the murder gets solved or whatever, 10 minutes into the movie. I don't understand what's happened until somebody explains it to me afterward. In this film, as soon as they tie them up, I was like, oh, they're gonna make them—they're gonna make them kill one another. Like, I— immediately got it. And I hadn't seen the trailer.  ROWAN:  No, no. This is immediately what I thought. But then I was like, stupidly, but the twist [31:45], there has to be a twist. JAZZA:  I get it. Okay. ROWAN:  So I was like, here are my twist guesses? So essentially, yeah they—they say, hey, buddies, your cute little family of three, that just happens to be a same-sex couple, nothing to do with our prejudices. Or—you got to pick one of you guys to kill, you have to do it willingly, and you have to kill each other. We can't kill you, and we can't choose. How's this gonna go, is that the four of us, we're going to ask you four times, who would you pick? And every time you say, I don't want to pick, something bad is gonna happen. And the bad thing is that we'll basically kill ourselves in front of you. And or like, the others will kill whoever is going to die at this point. And we will basically wipe out like a quarter of the population of the entire planet from that.  JAZZA:  Kinda. ROWAN:  Which really—I was like confused because I was like, well, is your death causing the destruction of the planet? Like, do you—could you just like not die and then the planet doesn't get destroyed? Like how does the functioning of this work? And then I very quickly was like, Rowan, listen, this movie is not about actually thinking about it. Don't think about it.  JAZZA:  Yeah.  So there's four of them. There's Leonard, who is played by Dave Batista. Redmond is played by Ron Weasley. And then there's Adrian and Sabrina played by Abby Quinn and Nikki Amuka Bird, respectively. They kind of like present themselves saying like a little bit about themselves really awkwardly. I don't know, what are they? Because I'm— I'm sure I've seen Rupert Grint acts before. And this wasn't good. And I don't understand what it was. And maybe it was like a character decision because it was a real problem for the Four Horsemen because they're— they're representative for four horsemen of the apocalypse. The four horsemen and the way that they kind of like engaged with one another and with their captors, it just felt so off. And like it didn't have any kind of like emotion behind it. It was very strange. ROWAN:  I think that in part that was because we were never getting anything from their point of view, it was always from I mean, maybe it was from Andrew's point of view. And so we were always being shown them where they were trying to present a—would there— they were trying to be persuasive. As for people who were not like naturally persuasive, so it doesn't necessarily have that authenticity of like when they're alone. So like we kind of hear them talking alone, but it's always like in the background of what's going on with Andrew and Eric, it's like just whispering that like over here. So I feel like yeah, we didn't really get a sense of them as like actual people beyond this, because we never got to see them talking in like a natural way.  JAZZA:  Yeah. [theme] JAZZA:  Hello, friends Jazza here for the ad read, as returning listeners will know we are part of Multitude, a collective of creators who make stuff for your ears. And this week we have something very exciting to announce. Merchandise, you asked and we listened. Multitude merch it's—it's finally here my loves. You can grab a Multitude logo tee or a crewneck sweatshirt now in our DFTBA store. And there's actually more merch in there now, and it's always being updated. I'm gay, I suppose. 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Okay, we can get back to the show now.  [theme] JAZZA:  So this is where my— this is my party and its aftermath and the party is the death of Ron Weasley. ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, sure. JAZZA:  Because this is the first place for me where I laughed, where I shouldn't have laugh.  ROWAN:  The first place love that energy. JAZZA:  Like Ron Weasley has to be murdered because the gays said they're not going to kill one another. And the bit that I laugh at is where the producer finishes off. Ron Weasley, and then picks up his legs. And then the camera tracks as he drags him out onto the patio, past two windows and then just drops his legs. And I just the—the visual of it absolutely sent me. I was inappropriately cackling through the whole dragging scene in the cinema, everybody hated me. ROWAN:  I love that. So yeah, sorry, Ron, you're dead. You die pretty early. You had a good run, being angry man in the corner because Ron's character was just angry that— that was his character at that point, was just angry, grumpy man, that was it. JAZZA:  He's meant to be wrath or something like that. They then turn on the telly and they see that oh, look, there's been earthquakes and there is tsunamis. Despite the fact that the first of those earthquakes, this is one of the plot holes. And the plot holes that really annoyed me. Were the first two like plagues that they released onto humanity, by not sacrificing one another? The first one is two earthquakes that cause two tsunamis that happen— the first of which happens four hours before they turn on the telly. Which means what it can't have been triggered by the gays. And then the second one is a type of like flu, is like an— it's a bird flu or something like that. That for some reason has an epicenter in Suffolk.  ROWAN:  Classic Suffolk. JAZZA:  Classic Suffolk. But that has also been happening for several months already. And so also isn't caused by the gays. There is like a wider conversation around like the religious zealot nests of gay marriage causes natural disasters. ROWAN:  I love that. JAZZA:  I think there is like an opportunity for a meta-commentary about that here, but I'm not going to make it. ROWAN:  I also— my favorite bit of this whole section was that the newscaster got— well first of all the [40:53] add to that place before— JAZZA:  [40:55] ROWAN:  [40:55] and then that— which is it's the directors are coming out right?  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. JAZZA:  Yeah it's nice in there, yeah. ROWAN:  I was like I—that looks like the director. So I just really liked that it was like that was a choice that they made, where they're like waiting for the breaking news to happen. But during the newscast, the woman goes just short moments ago, we have footage and I'm like, that's not short moments ago, because that person who took that footage is fully dead. Like they— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —they get consumed by the tsunami. They weren't then like in the tsunami being like Better Texas, it's ABC News. And it wasn't even like [41:29] JAZZA:  I guess they could do live streaming. Yeah.  ROWAN:  Well, the thing is, normally when that happens, you have like live stream, but I was like, this is just so ridiculous. But I was like, you know what, the film was ridiculous, I'm getting into it. Also, like a lot of the tone of the— for kind of people who have come to this cabin. These—with these weird moments of comedy, of awkwardness, that I was never quite sure whether I was meant to be laughing out. So I was like, la— sometimes laughing in my head, I don't think I ever laughed out loud. But like, it was such a strange tone that I really wasn't sure what was going on, or what I was meant to be thinking. But yeah, just that really sent me. We also at this point, essentially, they're like, we're on a clock, we're on a timer. But actually, you know what, we're gonna have to break overnight like we actually end of our shift. So you guys have a little chat? JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. actually, [42:14] see you in the morning. ROWAN:  See you in the morning gang. And we find out that Eric is definitely—we know from a flashback that his religious. And so I think at this point we're starting—they're like slowly creeping in the potential that Eric could be— JAZZA:  He's the weakest link, kill the fucker, kill Eric. ROWAN:  —persuaded he's the weakest link. I then put my second prediction, which was Eric is one of these religious bitches. So I thought because he kept asking— JAZZA:  That would have been good. ROWAN:  I kept— he kept asking questions about the— so at first, I predicted that right at the beginning when they have that moment of being like, oh, you can pray if you want to. And they tell him about the visions they've been having, which is like them predicting, prophesizing, what's going to happen, and how it all matches up. And he says something like, dreams can mean lots of things. And I was like, oh, I think he's been having these dreams., and he's persuade—like his—like Andrew has persuaded him, like this is because you're stressed like, these don't mean anything. And he's trying to persuade himself, and I fully thought that he also had been having these dreams. That was prediction fun twist number two, that didn't happen. So then we get a flashback to them in the car. And the—it's just them being cute and singing, and coming to the cabin and that child actor who plays he—who plays Wen looks directly into the camera almost for that entire sequence, and I loved it so much. They're singing karaoke and she keeps clearly being directed to look at either of the dads, but between them is the camera and she just spends most of the time looking directly at the audience. JAZZA:  I didn't notice that at all [43:45] ROWAN:  It was stunning, I love her. They also—at this point are talking about being a rat in the flashback, talking about being in the cabin, and I got what I thought was going to be a really fun Chekhov's gun situation, where they are joking about whether there are like bears in the area. And one of the dads is like we know we'll be safe we won't need the garbage out. And I was like Ron, Ron's gonna get eaten by a bear. There's gonna be some bear situation that's going to happen like we won't need the garbage out. But there's literally a dead body waiting to be eaten by a bear. Like something is happening. That never came back again, that was wrong as well. JAZZA:  Ohh, an army of bears, um like— ROWAN:  I really was like waiting for [44:19] JAZZA:  [44:19] of [44:20] could have turned up. Or I was thinking like some level that bear daddies could have trotted up and saved them [44:28] ROWAN:  That would have been even better, but no. We also at this point, like the whole movie is just them being in this cabin. One by one, these people are killing themselves. They have various escape attempts. So at first, Wen tries to like climb into the basement and run but ends up getting captured. We also find out that Andrew has had an experience of gay bashing in the past, and that he is convinced— he suddenly realizes that he recognizes Ron Weasley because he looks a little bit different— JAZZA:  From the Harry Potter movies. ROWAN:  From the Harry Potter movies, but he's like— but also he was the guy who beat me up. JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  And put me in hospital and put me through like this horrible like PTSD experience I have to have therapy for. And we also get a flashback where we can't quite see his face. So again, it's like oh, is it really him? Is he miss remembering because of his trauma? What's going on? And then—then we start questioning like are these people actually, you know, it's this all a coincidence, because did Ron tell them that he'd been having a dream about the cabin when they were chatting on the little [45:29]  where they all met. And then they suddenly started having the dream because he planted the idea in their heads. And very quickly that's all squashed and it's like no, no, it's— it's that's not what was happening at all, that the apocalypse is really going on. That switch and bait was kind of pointless for a second, don't worry about it— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —we're back on track. The apocalypse is definitely happening. Let's kill some more of these people. JAZZA:  Yeah, and the next one to die is Adrian. And as she dies, this flu that has existed for several months up until this point is then reported on the TV. Andrew end up, they're like really angry saying that these are obviously coincidences, this saying suggesting that these are pre-recorded broadcasts, that they are just turning on. And they're timing everything specifically for—for specific newscasts. And Sabrina, one of the two remaining, I'm going to underscore the horsemen. ROWAN:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. JAZZA:  Is bandaging up Eric and describing the vision that she's had, and how they ended up kind of like finding each other online, making them sound. This is the thing, if they had been hammered this idea more that they were people who were radicalized and made it feel more obvious to the viewer that oh, these are some people who have been radicalized online, like Q anon style vibes. That would have made the conclusion of the movie more—more, not necessarily surprising, but more interesting. And you kind of have it seated, but I don't think it comes across strongly you know? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Eventually, Andrew ends up escaping after Wen starts screaming for cartoons and distracts the rest of them. And Andrew somehow, like sneaks past them despite the fact that they're literally feet away from one another. He gets the car, gets his gun that was in the back that he carries around since he was gay bashed for his own protection, shoots. But [47:15], she stabs him. They end up going back into the cabin and then he actually does shoot and kill Sabrina. Sabrina's now dead. ROWAN:  Here are my notes for this section.  JAZZA:  Right. ROWAN:  Ron, Andrew, Sabrina, you hit him.  JAZZA:  Okay. ROWAN:  Get the gun. Hurry with that gun. Get the fucking gun. Stop stabbing him. Baby got the gun. She ran away. Oh, no flat tire. That's—that's what I wrote down, some very important intellectual notes about that whole section. And then I put, why are you threatening Leonard, just kill him. JAZZA:  Yeah, right. Just shoot the fucker. ROWAN:  Just shoot the fucker. JAZZA:  He—he does say—he does say we don't want to be a murderer like you all are. ROWAN:  But then okay, this is the thing that's really weird as well, is that they have this whole thing where they're trying to persuade us like Andrew doesn't give a shit about humanity. Like he's this jaded motherfucker. He doesn't give a shit. He'll let humanity burn if it will save his family. And he can't shoot one dude. That doesn't seem— that doesn't seem in line with his character, Bishop. JAZZA:  So Sabrina got— got sho, she's now dead. For some reason, they always have to kind of like, finish them off, even though they're clearly already dead. But Leonard— ROWAN:  That'd be thorough. JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make sure that the job is done. He wraps it up in a blanket and sticks you into the—into the other room. But then Eric and Andrew, lock Leonard in the bathroom because they're going to run and try and go to the truck that the four horsemen must have arrived here with. ROWAN:  And when they put them him in the bathroom, there is just a very visible human-sized hole of a window. JAZZA:  Sure, sure. But—it so—so Leonard smashes this window, making it seem like he's managed to escape. He's huge. He wouldn't fit through that window. And so it's just obvious. ROWAN:  It's a normal human-sized window, not a Dave-sized window. JAZZA:  Not a Dave sized— sized window. And so they end up like wrestling to the ground. ROWAN:  Classic gay movie stuff, wrestling to be fair. JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  [49:30] JAZZA:  They don't—they don't kiss. ROWAN:  They don't kiss though, which is normally— normally the boys wrestle and then they kiss in this situations. But no kisses, only gun grabbing happening here. JAZZA:  And then after Sabrina dies, this is the second time that I unintentionally cackled to myself in the movie. When we have the footage of all of the planes falling from the sky— ROWAN:  Weeee. JAZZA:  I did. It just looked—the CGI looked so bad— ROWAN:  It looks very bad.  JAZZA:  It just looked so silly to me. And there's people looking up in like horror, obviously, because like 700 planes are falling from the sky. But I just think the whole thing—the tone was just so off. So that's like the third and now we just have Leonard and this is where my act three, begins. [theme] JAZZA:  And my act three is, just kill Eric already. ROWAN:  Yeah, fair.  So at this point, it's like, okay, the planes are falling from the sky. Literally, there's like lightning and thunder everywhere. The darkness is descending, everything is going [50:37] So it's like, okay, the apocalypse is definitely happening. We have a choice to make. Leonard at this point is just like chilling out in the rocking chair. I guess I assume if he—if he wants a nice final moments, helping himself to that wine, cheese, and chocolate that they left help her at the beginning of the movie. JAZZA:  Yeah, what a weird guy. ROWAN:  And essentially is like, hey, guys. So hopefully you're persuaded by now. I still have to die, I guess. RIP, [51:03] for me. But please, also, you'll have a little bit after I die. Please kill each oth— like kill at least one of you guys. And there's a line again that in my head, I was like, oh, this is interesting. Which is Eric says to Wen, go to the tree house until one of us comes to get you. JAZZA:  Yeah, he's [51:21] ROWAN:  And was like it's like my baby about to die. And I was right for once. And then at this point, I put RIP Leonard. Every time someone died, I just put RIP, you know res— you gotta respect the horsemen.  JAZZA:  Yeah, exactly. ROWAN:  And then I said, but it finishes this time with RIP Leonard, hello darkness, my old friend. Because as soon as he dies, quite literally, the sky turns black. Just because of you know, we lost—we lost a bad boy, and the earth couldn't cope. So essentially, this then becomes this weirdly like heavy-handed, strange, extended, not even a metaphor, like sym—symbolism or a lesson to be learned. I don't know what it was. About, like the one gay who hates humanity because he was gay bashed and blames other people. The other gay who's a religious boy, who sees the best in other people— JAZZA:  Sacrifice himself.  ROWAN:  And he also— he's Jesus, I guess. JAZZA:  Jesus was gay.  ROWAN:  [52:15] JAZZA:  [52:16] being single in that economy. ROWAN:  Right? And it's just like, they're not— like they hate us, they're monsters. Like all of these homophobes, the whole world is homophobic and hates me particularly. Like,I love humanity, I hate humanity conversation. JAZZA:  So this actually—this was the— this was the thing I wanted to talk about.  ROWAN:  Ooh, you want to do it now? JAZZA:  Because like— Yeah. So I think that there was something potentially really interesting that could have played with the idea of the paranoia that you have from be— having grown up in a homophobic community, in a homophobic culture. Where your guard is always up, you don't trust others. And you like, for example, when Andrew automatically goes to, oh, you're hurt, because you're homophobic, and you think that we should die and that they're religious zealots. And that bad faith assessment that they have, because of the terrible experiences that Andrew specifically in this case, but queer people in general have gone through, he automatically then sees the worst in any confrontation that he ends up having. It made me think when we saw the Ron Weasley attacking him scene. And then the next scene is him purchasing a gun, it made me think of—so I made a documentary after [53:36] shootings in Florida. And then the increase in gun use amongst the elderly, or registration of guns among the LGBTQ-plus community. And that desire for you to take that power and agency back from this culture that has taken away safety from you. And therefore you need to be able to make yourself hard and make yourself battle ready. We see him training to be a boxer as well, so that he's able to defend himself, and therefore his family. And I think that there was a real potential here with this character, with Andrews's character to be like, oh, I have to— like, what is the thing that I am defending? Is it me, or is it this thing that I have built? And I think that the movie falls flat on that, but there was such potential for that theme of like, the tragedy of being a queer person growing up in a homophobic culture. And what that does to you in not being able to really kind of like experience life in a joyful way. So that was my little extra bit, but it doesn't do that. ROWAN:  No. And I also think that that has been slightly— like that very legitimate, like element and experience, kind of almost has been, like co-opted by this. Like, I feel like I've seen multiple sketch shows, where you have the gay character who preemptively assumes homophobia or the black character who preemptively assumes, like racism, where it's like, oh, is it because I'm black? Is because I'm gay? Oh, this is I'm a woman, isn't it? And so that is become such a like, catch-all, gotcha where you can legitimately point it out without it being like, you're paranoid. You're crazy. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah, it's not because you're gay, it's because God's chose you. ROWAN:  Yeah, it's like, really— I feel like it would be a really tricky one to do, without either legitimizing the idea that like, literally the entire world is out to get you and everyone is homophobic, but also legitimizing the very real dangers and fear that can be present, and like the psychological experience of like, extreme chronic stress that you can have from this constitution, which I think is something that like a lot of marginalized people go through. But yeah, you're right, it didn't happen. So you know what— JAZZA:  Oh, well.  ROWAN:  Oh, well. JAZZA:  And then finally, let's wrap this shit up. ROWAN:  Wrap it up. Finally, finally, thank God, Eric's dead.  JAZZA:  Eric's dead. ROWAN:  Andrew killed him just in case you [56:04] it wasn't—Wen didn't kill him, Wen is in the tree house. JAZZA:  [56:08] There'll be a cool twist out of it. ROWAN:  She would have been like, I can't let you choose between—she's like still this little eight-year-old being like, fathers, daddies, I would never let you choose for that would be the most awful torture of all, I will decide which Daddy dies today. JAZZA:  I— I read, I actually kind of part of me really, really wanted that. Especially because she was really affected by the fact that all of the kids were dying from the bird flu. And I would have liked it if she just taken the gun and shot Eric in the head. but anyway. ROWAN:  Oh my god, that would been great. JAZZA:  So we have like this weird post—post-apocalyptic scenes where they go to a— they take the truck to a diner, and we are told literally by one of the NPCs.  ROWAN:  Yep.  JAZZA:  Oh, everything's gonna be okay now ROWAN:  That accent, I can only assume will be improving as you continue to live in New York. JAZZA:  I fucking hope not. And then when they return to the truck, they play—they turn on the radio and this song called Boogie Shoes comes on [57:13] which was shown in a flashback beforehand. ROWAN:  Where she looked at the camera all the time. Yeah.  JAZZA:  Yeah. Where she looks at the camera, and then they drive off. ROWAN:  The end. There was one last moment where I thought, huh, interesting. Because as far as I could tell, that's raining during that entire end sequence.  JAZZA:  Oh yeah, oh yeah. ROWAN:  And her dress and his shirt is just bone dry the entire time. Until I think they get into the cafe, and then suddenly, I think they're like, slightly damp. But I think it was just a continuity error, you know what I mean? Same with like, there's a moment where their hands get tied in front of them, but then suddenly, their hands are tied behind them stuff like that. But no, it was just continuity. It wasn't some like secret thing about reality, or what was real or a twist. It's just simply the end of the movie now. Also, I wrote down. So one of the funny things is with the burial gays trope. I did a video a while ago that essentially analyzed like these, the separate instances of like, what counts as burial gays, and what the different like most common uses for it are. And one of the really big ones in the start of like, queer representation that was being more sympathetic in sort of like the 90s and onwards, was this idea of like, the gay character dies in order to, like, teach everyone else a lesson about like, the value of life and love. And I was like, oh, no, this is like the ultimate version of don't worry, the gay one will die, but the rest of us can go on and learn to appreciate life on this planet even more. JAZZA:  [58:37]  ROWAN:  Oh, my God imagine. Truly [58:41] Four Weddings and a Funeral. Just—there's so many insane examples. My absolute favorite one is in supernatural, there are these characters called a thing they called the ghost faces. And one of them dies, and there's literally a line that's like, gay love, like save to the world. Just because like the power of gay love, like prevented the apocalypse or whatever, because he just dies. So yeah, that was the movie, that was the end. JAZZA:  Thank God.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  Shall we go into ratings? ROWAN:  Let's do it. [theme] JAZZA:  When we rate each of the movies that we talk about and review on this podcast, we use the six bars of the rainbow flag and we give a certain number of bars and certain colors. Does that make sense? It will in a minute. So we can give any combination of red which means life, orange, which means healing, yellow, which means sun, green, which means nature, blue, that means harmony, and purple, that means spirit. ROWAN:  How many bars are you going to give it, Jazza? JAZZA:  I'm gonna give it yellow, and that's it. Um because— ROWAN:  [59:49] JAZZA:  The sunlight— ROWAN:  I'm also going to give it yellow and I think we have the exact same reasoning. JAZZA:  So the late—the golden hour, kind of like lighting that comes through the window. ROWAN:  Yeah, [1:00:01] JAZZA:  Shines, yesss. ROWAN:  It was tasty.  JAZZA:  It was so good. It was the only good thing about the movie and the Grasshopper scene actually. So maybe if quite liked this movie more, I did given it green as well for nature, but no, it's just getting yellow. ROWAN:  Yeah, I fully agree, and sunlight for that exact reason. It was some beautiful shots in the bathroom. That again, I was looking at and I was like, I want to find some meaning behind this. One of you is in light, one of you is in shadow. Like what's happening here? There's some interesting colors. There was a whole moment where Eric talks about seeing a figure in the light that I guess was Jesus and— JAZZA:

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Jim talks with Anil Seth about his book Being You: A New Science of Consciousness. They discuss the curious non-experience of general anesthesia, defining consciousness, the difference between consciousness & intelligence, experiential vs functional aspects, the hard problem vs the real problem, measuring consciousness, consciousness vs wakefulness, Lempel-Ziv complexity, zap & zip, consciousness as multidimensional, psychedelic states of consciousness, integrated information theory & phi, Scott Aaronson's expander grids, quantum IIT, accounting for conscious contents, the Bayesian brain, paying attention, Adelson's checkerboard, the perception census, prediction error minimization, active inference, the two bridges experiment, aspects of self, the rubber hand illusion, somatoparaphrenia, separating self from personal identity, whether advanced mammals have personal identity, being a beast machine, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP97 - Emery Brown on Consciousness & Anesthesia JRS EP148 - Antonio Damasio on Feeling and Knowing The Perception Census Anil Seth is Professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex, Co-Director of the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research Program on Brain, Mind and Consciousness, a European Research Council (ERC) Advanced Investigator, and Editor-in-Chief of the academic journal Neuroscience of Consciousness (Oxford University Press). With more than two decades of research and outreach experience, Anil's mission is to advance the science of consciousness and to use its insights for the benefit of society, technology and medicine. An internationally leading researcher, Anil is also a renowned public speaker, best-selling author, and sought-after collaborator on high-profile art-science projects.

We're joined by a very special *RETURNING* champ- Nick Hinton! He'll break down some philosophy on what is happening right now with the mix of UFOs, movies and toxic train crashes! We'll chop it up on topics like Netflix's predictive programming from “White Noise”, “Super 8”, Jordan Peele's “US” and “NOPE” and how all this fits into the Sentient World Simulation ‘they' are building for us! We'll talk about the spiritual level and how the occultists are paving a gnostic path and MAYBE us truthers are HELPING them?!...We were only supposed to hit 15 minutes but ended up cramming 30 minutes to bangerville so strap in!First we'll talk about the toxic chemicals unleashed in East Palestine, Ohio, the journalist arrest, then we'll be joined by Nick Hinton to talk about some predictive programming in films and the global occult connection; then Isaac gets on the political soapbox!Links:Be sure to follow Nick Hinton on Twitter or Instagram (his handle has two 'N's, so look for Nick Hintonn)! His Twitter is https://twitter.com/NickHintonn and his Instagram is https://www.instagram.com/nickhintonn/CHECK OUT the Aug 2022 show w/ Nick: "Conspiracy Black Pills, Male vs Female, AI Manifestation with Nick Hinton!" https://wp.me/p2ijVF-bktNick's Ko-Fi store: https://ko-fi.com/nickhintonnShow sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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In episode 33 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle interviews Kelvin McQueen on his recent theory on how consciousness might collapse the wave function. Kelvin is a professor of philosophy at Chapman University who investigates the nature of consciousness and role it might play in quantum mechanics. The measurement problem in quantum mechanics is that there is a smoothly and deterministically evolving superposition that is abruptly “measured” and reduced to a finite physical state, but it is unclear what constitutes a measuring device. In collaboration with David Chalmers, Kelvin explores the hypothesis that the measurement device in quantum mechanics might be consciousness. However, consciousness is typically an ill-defined vague idea that does not produce any tangible upgrade to the mystery of what a measuring device is. Here, Kelvin uses the definition of consciousness from integrated information theory (IIT) by Giulio Tononi. Consciousness is the minimally reducible information state of a system, which is defined as a recurrent network of interconnected nodes that predict the next state of the system. According to Kelvin, this definition allows for testable predictions to be made regarding the role of consciousness. In the upgraded quantum IIT theory, the nodes are quantum bits (or qubits) and the edges are entanglement relationships. Thus, QIIT defines an interconnected quantum computer (of sorts…) as consciousness and this reduces the wave function. Furthermore, the collapse of the wave function is not instantaneous but instead is continuous, drawing from the continuous spontaneous localization theory of quantum mechanics. Altogether, these ideas present a picture where consciousness is integral to a fundamental description of the physical universe and might provide room for an expanded sense of self. In this interview, I interrupt intermittently to describe the relevant ideas with graphical representation and compare this model to the Orchestrated Objective Reduction model by Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose. There are some amazing new ideas that Kelvin McQueen describes in this episode, so be sure to check it out!

We take a look at the 2023 Super Bowl Halftime performance by Rihanna! What we find is a ritual including symbolism of the fertility goddess, the Scarlet Woman and alchemical coding for the Great Work of the Phoenix (in Phoenix)! We'll talk about symbolism of the goddess, why the set was precisely 13 minutes long and even some of the commercials and Damar Hamlin's appearance with Christ! We'll do a background catch up of how Rihanna got here and how we knew she's be the Scarlet Woman!Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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We're going into Part 2 of our Wizard of Oz deep dive! The focus for this episode will be on the film itself- straight outta 1939 we're gonna walk through the whole story and cover the conspiracies and symbolism as it unfolds! This includes a deep dive into the song Somwhere Over the Rainbow (MKULTRA), Pink Floyd, Gene Wilder, Areola Grande, Osirian Mystery religion, comparisons with the book, the ruby slippers vs the Silver slippers (aka Silver Cord of the Occult), the real meaning of the Yellow Brick Road (it starts out with a SPIRAL), Alchemy like the Tin Man as the Rebis, asbestos, hanging munchkin conspiracies, fallen angels, Oz in the Book of Enoch, Crowley, Gnosticism and Dorothy's Hero Journey- it's so much that we are going to do a Part 3 next week to do a conclusion wrap up explaining these concepts in more detail!Links:If you haven't heard it- start with Part 1 "Wizard of Oz Esoteric Analysis: L. Frank Baum, Theosophy, Occultism & Cast Tragedies": https://illuminatiwatcher.com/wizard-of-oz-esoteric-analysis-l-frank-baum-theosophy-occultism-cast-tragedies-part-1/Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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We'll set up the larger analysis of what's going on esoterically with the Wizard of Oz! We're going to cover the occult inspirations of this story- from Aleister Crowley & his Liber OZ, Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy and how it fits into the characters of the film: Dorothy, Tin Man and Scarecrow! We'll break down how L. Frank Baum was inspired through other worldly forces to create this story and some of the tragedies behind the making of the classic film! Even David Lynch makes a cameo in this first part of our mega esoteric deep dive into Wizard of Oz!Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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We decode the occult symbolism of the 2023 Grammys! We'll talk about Sam Smith and Kim Petras satanic ritual, Beyonce's Goddess symbolism and the deification of celebrity culture! We'll talk about the purpose of the high profile ritual and how this all played into channeling the lunar energies of the full moon! We'll cover Jay-Z's occult religion, Mary J. Blige's goddess symbolism and get into the Clive Davis pre Grammys party theories, Kenneth Grant and Aleister Crowley!Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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Watch this conversation on YouTube.   We'll learn: Why do most of our New Year Resolutions fail? Why is it difficult to develop new habits? The science of building sustainable habits. How to let go of addictive habits? This episode is all you need to build and sustain your habits and build discipline. Rajan Singh is the founder of Habit Strong, a company that helps people build life-changing habits so that they can lead a happier and more productive life. Rajan is an IIT graduate and an MBA from Wharton. He has served in the Indian Police Service as Trivandrum Police Commissioner, as a McKinsey consultant, and as an investment professional with a private equity fund.​ He is a discipline and routine fanatic. In our conversation, we dive deep into the science of habits, how to break bad habits, habit stacking, and a lot more. Enjoy the conversation with Rajan Singh! We have a telegram community for our listeners. Join here- https://theinspiringtalk.com/telegram   For brand collaborations and opportunities, send us an email at  hi@wyn.studio   Read full episode notes at https://theinspiringtalk.com/   Send me a voice message: https://theinspiringtalk.com/speak   Connect with Rajan Singh Website LinkedIn   Follow the Inspiring Talk on Facebook http://theinspiringtalk.com/facebook   Twitter http://theinspiringtalk.com/twitter Instagram http://theinspiringtalk.com/instagram

We take a look at the occult symbolism of Ezra Miller! We'll cover several hand symbols and terms Ezra's used that suggest Ezra's into some occult practices... We'll talk about Ezra's grooming allegations, chaos magick, and Ezra's OWN statements that Ezra was Jesus and the Devil- an idea presented by the Process Church of the Final Judgement! It all has to do with ushering in the end times, which is precisely what Ezra claims to be doing...Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $12. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * PATREON: almost identical to VIP Section; you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29414054More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/4. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: Gumroad.com/IsaacW5. Get 3 books for $5: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/6. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt7. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism8. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes.*Want to advertise/sponsor our show?
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1 Reyes 16:29‭-‬34 RVA2015(Por custión de espacio, leer todo el capitulo o los versos claves en su biblia).vs. 33-34. "En su tiempo Jiel de Betel reedificó Jericó. A costa de Abiram su primogénito puso los cimientos, y a costa de Segub su hijo menor colocó sus puertas, conforme a la palabra que el SEÑOR había hablado por medio de Josué hijo de Nun."------------------En este capítulo vemos un resumen de los reyes de Israel, Como el caos y la maldad dominaba en las tribus del norte. Aqui vemos como la violencia, la traición, el suicidio, la idolatría y otras cosas horrrorificas sucedieron en este periodo tan accidentado entre los que tenían una ambición descontrolada por el poder del reino.Acerca de las vidas de estos reyes, veremos más detalles en los siguientes capítulos, como por ejemplo de la vida de Acab y Jezabel, y sus múltiples pecados por la influencia diabólica de la idolatría a Baal.Notemos que estos reyes se iban degradando en sus maldades, y las escrituras remarcan que alguno de ellos eran más malos que sus antecesores. El personaje que más me impresiona es uno llamado Jiel de Bethel. De este hombre poderoso no se sabe mucho de su vida, pero sus acciones fueron tan impactantes y despreciables que quedaron registradas en la biblia. Y es que él estuvo dispuesto a pagar el precio de la reconstrucción de la ciudad de Jericó que Josué declaró como maldición. Ningún personaje por más malo que fuera se atrevió a reconstruir esta ciudad símbolo de la maldad y la maldición que representaba. Pero posiblemente por su geografía y su posición estratégica, o por desafiar la orden de Josué el antepasado líder, este hombre decidió sacrificar a sus hijos. Dos hijos perdieron la vida como precio para edificar Jericó. ¡Qué impresionante lo que un ser humano puede llegar a hacer por la ambición descontrolada de alcanzar una meta! ¡Qué triste ver o conocer las vidas de muchas personas que hoy en día han sacrificado las vidas espirituales o emocionales de sus hijos, de sus esposas, de sus hijas!Ningún logro que uno alcance, por más noble que parezca, podrá superar el valor de la vida de los miembros de su hogar. El abandono o negligencia emocional y espiritual abundan en nuestras congregaciones. Está bien que nos esforcemos y hagamos ciertos sacrificios de tiempo y dinero cuando comenzamos un proyecto, pero debemos ser sabios hasta donde llegamos con nuestros planes y proyectos. Nuestra familia puede tolerar ciertos cambios o decisiones para alcanzar algo a corto o mediano plazo, pero no olvidemos que debemos siempre medir el estado de nuestro hogar; qué síntomas estamos viendo que se están reflejando en el comportamiento de ellos. El vacío de la ausencia puede convertirse en una grieta tan grande que cuando uno reacciona la distancia es tan grande que podría ser demasiado tarde. Abramos nuestros ojos. Alimentemos a nuestra familia manteniendo una buena comunicación. Que entre todos trabajen por un bien común para el bienestar de la familia. No nos desemboquemos como un río desbordado hacia una meta, ignorando el corazón de los nuestros. Sea un ministerio, un negocio, un proyecto personal o aun el ayudar a otras personas es algo que trae bendición, prosperidad, y mucha satisfacción personal de éxito y progreso. Es hermoso celebrar esas victorias con cada miembro de tu hogar que estuvo de acuerdo en apoyarte para que hubieras podido llegar hasta donde estás. Pero sería una tragedia que no tengas con quien celebrar todo estos logros pues los descuidaste tanto que ya no están a tu lado. Están los cuerpos pero no sus corazones. Están físicamente ahí pero no su alma. Solo quedan las heridas, resentimientos, malos recuerdos y un sabor amargo en la copa del éxito. Todo porque los sacrificamos en el altar de la ambición egoísta y sin control, sin enfoque, sin propósito divino.Lo que estás haciendo, es un proyecto donde todos los miembros de tu hogar te apoyan?¿Estás dedicando tiempo de tu vida para fortalecer los lazos familiares?¿Están trabajando por el bien común?¿Se está formando una grieta vasta en el hogar? ¿Qué estás haciendo para repararla?Soy Eduardo Rodriguez

On this episode of Unstoppable Mindset, we get to speak with Nick Bayard the executive Director of BirdNote. This organization is a nonprofit that provides sound-rich programs on over 200 radio stations that discuss the challenges faced by birds. The program includes the sounds of birds. It can be heard daily. You will get to learn more about BirdNote during our episode.   Nick holds a Master's degree in Public Administration and International Development from the Harvard Kennedy School and a bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies from Brown University. He served three years in the Peace Corps Paraguay and has held several social service policy decisions in the Northwest U.S.   Nick gives us much to think about, not only about birds and BirdNote, but also he helps us think more deeply about how we live our lives and how we can help make our whole planet a more friendly and good place to live.     About the Guest: Nick Bayard is the Executive Director of BirdNote. BirdNote is a public media nonprofit organization that tells vivid, sound-rich stories about birds and the challenges they face in order to inspire listeners to care about the natural world and take steps to protect it. BirdNote Daily is their beloved flagship show that has been in production since 2005. It is a one minute, 45 second daily radio show that broadcasts on over 250 radio stations across the US. You can listen to BirdNote Daily and other longform podcasts produced by BirdNote anytime, wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also learn what BirdNote is doing to contribute to more diverse and inclusive birding and environmental communities at www.birdnote.org.    Nick holds a master's degree in Public Administration and International Development from the Harvard Kennedy School and a bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies from Brown University. He served for three years in the environmental sector of Peace Corps Paraguay and has served in leadership roles in social services and racial equity in government policy in the Pacific Northwest. Nick is an Eagle Scout and also a musician, having released an award-winning children's album, Wishing Well, with his oldest son in 2014.    Nick and his wife Sedia live in Washington State with their three kids.   Ways to connect with Nick:   BirdNote website: www.birdnote.org  BirdNote daily podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birdnote-daily/id79155128 BirdNote's Bring Birds Back podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bring-birds-back/id1566042634 BirdNote's Threatened podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/threatened/id1538065542 BirdNote en Español podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birdnote-en-espa%C3%B1ol/id1643711928 Nick Bayard's LinkedIn page: www.linkedin.com/in/nickbayard Nick Bayard's Twitter page: https://twitter.com/NickBayard Wishing Well children's album: https://www.amazon.com/Wishing-Well-Nick-Bayard/dp/B00IHIEUYE/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=       About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! 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Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:21 Welcome once again to unstoppable mindset. Hi, everyone. It's a nice fall day here in Southern California, supposed to get up to 96 degrees today. It is late September. So for those who remember, it is also the time of hurricane Ian in Florida. And our thoughts are with all the people and creatures down there. But today, we get to interview someone and talk about some of those creatures. Nick Bayard is a person who has been involved in dealing with natural resources and so on. He's the Executive Director of bird note. And we're going to get to that. And all things, Nick, as we go along. So Nick, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Nick Bayard  02:05 Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here.   Michael Hingson  02:07 Well, it's our pleasure, and we really appreciate you taking the time to be here with us. Let's start just kind of learning a little bit about you, can you kind of tell us where you came from and how you got where you   Nick Bayard  02:18 are a little bit? Sure, well, I grew up in Delaware, in kind of a little bubble, to be honest, and, you know, my educational career kind of took a winding path, because I didn't really see a career out there that looks like something I wanted to do forever. I just feel like there's there's too much to try to pack into one life to commit to sort of, you know, doctor, lawyer, you know, etc. And so, I think that was both a blessing and a curse, because it led me to follow a lot of different paths. And it led to a lot of frustration too, because our, I think our society is set up to reward sort of monotony and continue building, you know, of a career over a period of time. But I wouldn't trade it for anything, because it's it's given me a lot of unique experiences, serving in the Peace Corps in South America, getting to do racial equity work and in government. And now being executive director of a wonderful organization that I've loved for a long time, came a bit out of left field, because I had done so many things that kind of added up to what the burden of board members wanted in this role that all of a sudden, things kind of fell into place for something that I never could have predicted. So it's it's been a winding road, but I'm really thrilled to be where I am and happy to get the chance to talk about it with you.   Michael Hingson  03:56 Winding roads are always kind of fun, you know, you never know where you're gonna go next. Or maybe you do but at the same time, it's always the adventure of getting there. That's at least half the fun.   Nick Bayard  04:07 And you've had that experience too, right? Yes, quite a number of lifetimes packed into one right.   Michael Hingson  04:14 It has been a fun adventure. And it continues to be and I can't complain about that a single bit. It's, you know, it's all about choices. And but it is all about embracing the adventure of life to exactly.   Nick Bayard  04:28 So what you went to college, I went to Brown University in Rhode Island and studied environmental studies and really had a wonderful experience there. And then   Michael Hingson  04:41 what got you from there to the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  04:43 You know, I thought I was gonna go down the path of biologist scientists, ecologist, spent a year doing a residency in environmental education in the Grand Tetons, and we're realized after that year that actually maybe halfway into that year that I would be, I would feel kind of limited myself, I guess if I were to just sort of pick that path and run with it, although lots of people do that and love it, it just wasn't for me. What I recognized is that I just didn't have enough experience out in the world to be able to even say what I wanted to commit to for, you know, even for at least the next few years, so I thought that the Peace Corps was this opportunity to, to really throw myself into the unknown and experience something completely different. And hopefully learn about people learn more about people learn more about institutions learn more about how different cultures and communities operate. And it was like, throw myself in the deep end, I got even more than I bargained for, I'd say, How so, you know, the Peace Corps was hard in ways that I didn't expect, I, I think I was conditioned to think of it as a just really an opportunity to help make the world a better place. But there's a danger of that Savior mindset. If you go to a place thinking that you have the skills or the resources to be able to help or save in a way that you've maybe seen it on TV, and you realize you're, you're with people, and you're, you know, you're not any better or worse than the folks that you're going to live with. And as a Peace Corps volunteer, you are very much reliant on your community to take care of you and teach you and that was jarring. I think it's jarring for a lot of folks who go abroad for service work. They've, there's this idea that, you know, we go and we save, or we help. But really, going with a mindset of humility, and learning and growth, I think is much more important. And so I had to sort of adjust my worldview in a lot of ways and recognize that, you know, I had never really thought about, oh, gosh, you know, I'm gonna go help a community. In every community, there are people who are unkind, who lie, who, who cheat, who steal, etc. And I don't know why I think part of my my upbringing was thinking, well, if people are underprivileged, they're all nice all the time. And it's just a community like any other. So I thought that was really interesting to go and experience, you know, humanity in a different context. And recognize that a lot of the preconceptions I had about about other parts of the world were completely wrong. And so it was perfect learning and growth. For me, that's exactly what I needed.   Michael Hingson  07:52 Interesting kind of way to put it when you talk about underprivileged and so on. Do you think today that there is underprivileged other parts of the world as you thought they were, when you were first starting out in the Peace Corps,   Nick Bayard  08:06 I think the biggest blind spot I had was really on, it wasn't even so much about global issues, it was about American history. And as I've, as I've grown, you know, and, and gotten older, the extent of the, the blind spots I had around race and racism in America, have really driven sort of this last 10 years of my my life and my career, really, from a place of just, you know, feeling like I was robbed of an understanding of how formative racism was at the at the heart of how the country was born, and how it's evolved, and how it's progressed, and why certain communities experienced the conditions that they do. And so that's something that I've really worked hard at to understand, because it's not history that I got in school, it's not history that I heard about in my community, you know, as I came to find out, that's very much by design. And so I, I don't blame myself for it. But I recognize the responsibility I have to keep to always keep learning and growing. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  09:19 Well, I think that we do oftentimes find that there. Are there any number of people who think well, we're so much better off than than they are. And I think it depends on what you mean, by better off if you think about the world being more technologically advanced, we have access to more technologies and more creature comforts, in some ways. Anyway, there's probably some truth to that. But when you get down into community, you get down into family and you get to dealing with those concepts, and the closeness and the loyalty that that people have. That's a whole different animal and it's not necessarily at all clear that we're really any better off as, as well as some people, at least from what I've heard and learned?   Nick Bayard  10:05 Yeah, I think back to, you know, I developed some really important friendships in Paraguay and really got close to folks in a way that can't really compare it to some of the friendships I've had in America even just because the cross cultural cross language divide, bridging, that is a powerful thing. And I've, I think I laughed more in Paraguay than I, I ever have in a similar stretch of time and in America, because there's, there's a sense of humor and a lightness in the Paraguayan culture that I experienced that it's just delightful. And, you know, there's, I hosted a weekly radio show. And every week, folks would, would give me jokes to tell in the, in the native language, Guarani. And it was, you know, on the radio show, we talked about things like, you know, the environment and agriculture and green manures and things like that. But the thing that really stood out to people are the jokes, because they, there were things that people connected with, and sense of humor is just a really important part of the culture. So it was, it was just interesting to to experience that the joy of being there with folks who really, really did not have infrastructure around them. Shiny water, paved roads, things like that. Just just having a great time in life. That that was a good, a good lesson for me.   Michael Hingson  11:47 Yeah. And oftentimes, I think, here in this country, we don't slow down and stop and think about life. And that's something that I've been thinking about a lot. And we're actually going to talk about it in the new book that I'm writing, which tentatively is titled The Guide Dogs Guide to Being brave, but it's about taking time each day to stop and really think about what you did that day, what worked, what didn't and just thinking about life, we don't meditate nearly enough, do we?   Nick Bayard  12:17 And you can say that, again, I don't know if you have any, go two ways to remind yourself, that's something I struggle with is just actually committing to a pause until I feel like I really need it. I don't know if you if you have any insight,   Michael Hingson  12:36 you know, what we're what we're talking about in the book are several different techniques that can help. One thing that I find a lot of people use our vision boards and treasure mapping and visioning, where you put something up on a refrigerator, or somewhere to remind you of something like if you're going to take a vacation. And you want to really keep in the mindset of getting prepared for that you put a picture of like if you're going to go to Hawaii, you put a picture of Hawaii up well, you can do the same thing with with what we're talking about here, you can put up something around the house that says Don't forget to meditate at the end of the day, or when you when you get into bed before you turn off the light. If there's someplace that you normally look, put there a note, don't forget to take five minutes or 10 minutes to meditate. And you can put reminders up to do that. And what eventually happens, if you do it, and are consistent about it, you'll create a mindset that will cause you to automatically do it. And you'll be able to go more into a mode of of meditating. I took a course in transcendental meditation in college. And what they suggested was this make it a habit to get up 20 minutes early and meditate in the morning or and take and set up a time to do it at night. Nowadays, we have other ways to help with visioning. I, for example, put a lot of reminders in my little Amazon Echo device, I got to be careful of what I say or she's going to talk to me, but But I I put reminders in of things that I want to do not just about meetings on the calendar, but other things. And that's another way to vision it doesn't have to be from an eyesight standpoint. So you if you have an echo, you can tell it to remind you at 11 o'clock every night hey, go meditate for 10 minutes. I mean, there are a lot of ways to use technology and techniques to create a visioning environment to get you into the habit of doing something.   Nick Bayard  14:46 That's great. Yeah, I My My issue is I think I have to keep coming up with new ways to get my attention but get my own attention. Sort of like exactly how sometimes the sign word Some other times, I feel like I need up a sign that all kind of slapped me in the face. Because I'm not, I'm not willing to listen to what my my past self had reminded me to do. Well, that's   Michael Hingson  15:11 why I like the idea of the echo device. And I can tell it to we have several echo devices around the house. So I can have the reminder play on every echo device as well, so that it will remind me wherever I am in the house that you can't escape it. For me, I'm pretty much in the habit of doing it all the time. But still, having the reminder doesn't hurt. Right, right, right. So there are a lot of ways to give yourself a reminder to do something that will force you to at least for the second set, it's on to listen, and hopefully that will help you move forward and doing what it is you want to do. And taking time really to stop and or at least slow down and think a little bit is always an important thing to do.   Nick Bayard  16:03 Hmm. Yeah, I think one of the challenges of work from home is there's, there's folks that do that is less, less travel, less transition. And so it's easy for things to kind of pile up and go just back to back to back. And it's like, oh, let me actually go into the other room here and sit down for a minute and or take a walk outside. That's Those are good reminders.   Michael Hingson  16:29 Yeah. And those can be verbal with an echo device, you can send yourself a calendar invite that just remind you, every day, it's such and such a time, take the time to go off and do something and you know, you may not be able to do it right at that moment. But the reminder is still there. And by having something that forces you to at least think about it that is reminders in various formats and forms. That helps. All right, right. So we can take the time to do it. The problem that I think we mostly have is, oh, I just don't have time to do that. I've got to get this done or that done. Yeah, we do have time. Mental health is one of the most important thing, if not the most important thing that we can be doing for ourselves that we normally don't pay attention to. But in reality, we can make work for us.   Nick Bayard  17:22 For sure, for sure. I think that's that's originally actually what drew me in to burn out which is, which is the organization where I am. And it's a the flagship show that we run on radio stations, and our podcast is it's called burnout daily, that people probably know it as burnout. It's a minute, 45 seconds, and it's got a catchy theme song that invites you in and invites you to pay attention to the lives of burns for just Just a minute, 45 seconds. And that seems to be enough time that you can go deeply into something but not so much time that you you can't justify just sitting there and listening. Which is originally why you know why I came to love the program so much. Well,   Michael Hingson  18:15 how long were you in the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  18:17 I was there for I did a a two year volunteer service term. And then I stayed on for an additional year to be the coordinator of the environment sector.   Michael Hingson  18:28 Where the volunteers were was that. I'm sorry, where was that? Where did you do that?   Nick Bayard  18:34 In Paraguay? Okay, one of two landlocked countries in South America and the other?   Michael Hingson  18:40 Yeah. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of water around South America.   Nick Bayard  18:46 Yeah. You know, and, unfortunately, if Paraguay has not been, as that benefited from a lot of the natural resources on the continent, partly due to the, you know, the history of war, there was a major war that Paraguay found itself in against Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, and it just turned into an actual massacre of genocide. It was, I think it was just after the US Civil War ended, or it was right around that time, and something like 80% of all boys and men are killed. And then the country shrunk. And then it was President Rutherford B. Hayes who brokered an agreement to give Paraguay back some of its land and so there's actually a county in Paraguay called President Hays County or it's been caught, but as they didn't they i Yes. And so I saw more busts and sort of recognitions of President Hayes in Paraguay than I ever expected to see anywhere. It's really interesting.   Michael Hingson  19:57 There's a historic fact I didn't know Cool. And that's, that's a good thing. And and we do have a Paraguay today. And so you spent time in the Peace Corps there, which is always a good thing.   Nick Bayard  20:10 Yeah. And it was, it was interesting to go and realize that Spanish wouldn't help me very much. I spoke a little bit of Spanish. I got there. But the Peace Corps trainer is quickly put me into a class to learn the language, quad knee, which is the language that most Paraguayan speak most of the time, and the class itself was taught in Spanish. And so I was just really having a hard time with that one, because I sort of it sort of felt like, you know, trying to use tweezers with oven mitts on it's like, I barely know what you're saying, I'm supposed to understand it enough to, to learn a whole new language, it ended up working out really well. But I ended up learning it very well, very, very, very fluently,   Michael Hingson  21:02 but but those first few months were pretty rough. Well, there's nothing like immersion to force you to learn something, which is going back to what we talked about, as far as giving yourself reminders to take time to think about life. You know, it's all about immersion.   Nick Bayard  21:18 Yeah, that the other really surprising thing that happened when I was first arriving in Paraguay was I was I was just starting to go bald. And I was dealing with all the emotions around that. And having a hard time with that, and, and some of the folks in my community where I was training, would ask me about it, and prod me about it, and even make fun of me about it. And so I, I realized, okay, if I'm gonna be able to have a snappy comeback or something, I've got a, I got to figure this out, because I just, I'm having a hard enough time with this already. And just to have people kind of prodding me in on something that I'm sensitive about, you know, I, I need to learn to communicate here.   Michael Hingson  22:03 Also a good way to maybe pick up some more jokes for a future radio program.   Nick Bayard  22:09 Yeah, exactly, exactly.   Michael Hingson  22:12 So what did you do after the Peace Corps?   Nick Bayard  22:15 Well, I came back to the US and wanted to be in DC, because that's where a lot of international development work was, was based, but actually ended up working for a nonprofit that develops high quality preschools in low income neighborhoods, called appletree. Institute, and help help them raise money and develop new schools. In areas where there hadn't traditionally been been very effective schools. And, you know, it was there that I really learned how to how to pitch an organization to funders. It was a, it was a fundraising role. And so that was really valuable for me, because I got to really understand how, you know what, what's compelling to people who might want to give and what is fundraising other than really giving somebody the opportunity to support something maybe they didn't know that they wanted to support. So I came to really enjoy fundraising and realize that if it's for something that I care about, it's it's a great opportunity for me and for the people that I connect with to to make the world a better place.   Michael Hingson  23:30 Yeah. How long did you do that?   Nick Bayard  23:33 I was there for two years. After about a year and a half, I felt like, Okay, I've kind of plateaued in this role, I'm going to apply to grad school, I got a very good score on my GRE and a friend of mine and her dad told her the score, and she said, you could go to Harvard. And I had not thought of that before she said it. And it sort of got the wheels turning, like maybe see what see what Harvard has gone on. And they had a master's program and Public Administration and International Development, which was really appealing because it was quantitative, heavy. It focused on economics, which everybody in international development just kept saying, you know, you got to have that foundation. And it ended up you know, being a program that the math was so advanced that it was sort of like being hit with a ton of bricks for the first year. You know, and then after the after that first year, I get into take more courses on, you know, things like public speaking and leadership and negotiation and writing, you know, the stuff that now feels a little bit more practical to my day to day, but it was actually that was where I met my wife and so I'm especially glad that that was worked out the way that it did because it completely. It completely, you know, formed every every moment since, you know, since I met Cydia, my wife. So that's probably the most valuable thing I got from Harvard.   Michael Hingson  25:18 Well that makes makes a lot of sense. So you got your master's degree was she in the same program,   Nick Bayard  25:23 she was in the School of Education getting she was getting her second master's degree. She had gotten a master's degree from the school for international training. And this master's degree was in learning and teaching at Harvard Graduate School of Education. And everybody at Harvard was just kind of blown away by her and what she knew about learning and teaching. Because she'd done it for so long understood it so well. And I think a lot of her classmates more and more from her than they did from some of the professors, to be honest. So she's she, she really understands how people learn better than anyone I've, I've met. And she's she's really helped me whenever I've given a training or had I sort of convey a concept to a group. Well just   Michael Hingson  26:16 give her permission to remind you every day to take some time to meditate and think about life. And I bet you'll have the habit in no time. I bet you're right. Wives, wives do that. And that's a blessing. So sure. So they're, and all that math. Well, everything needs math in one way or another. But I can appreciate the fact that once you survive the math, and sometimes I wonder when, when colleges and universities do those things that you don't expect, like in a program, like you're thinking of giving you so much math, or when I was at UC Irvine, the people who went into the bioscience program, before they got to the point of being able to take all of the regular bioscience courses other than introductory courses, they had to take a year of organic chemistry. And a lot of the people in the biocide program, we're gonna go into med so they were kind of pre med and all that. And what what happened is that people who enrolled in the biocide program at UC Irvine, I know the first year I was there, 1600 people enrolled. And there were 200 left by the end of their sophomore year, because organic chemistry and other courses like that weeded them out. And the bioscience department was very deliberate about insisting that you have to do all that before you can go on, even though and the reality is, of course, you would use that organic chemistry. But still, before you can get to the real practical stuff, you've got to be able to deal with the theory. So kind of wonder if they were doing that at Harvard, if that was part of the logic.   Nick Bayard  27:54 I wonder, you know, there's, you know, you wonder how sadistic some of these design these programs. One of the things that, you know, I feel like our program at Harvard does, you know, as it is it signals to folks who know about that degree, that you can do something very intense and difficult. Even if you don't end up using a lot of the hard skills, you know, that you you worked on there. So that's, that's been valuable for when folks know about that degree program. Anybody who's been through the Harvard Kennedy School will, I think set up a little straighter when you tell them that you have an NPA ID is that's that's the one that it's really the you know, the gut punch, especially in that first year.   Michael Hingson  28:45 Yeah, well, you survived it and you moved on, what did you do after you got that   Nick Bayard  28:50 degree? I actually spent a year working on music and recognize that like, there probably wouldn't be a time in a transition period when I'd have the opportunity to, to pursue music was something I've always loved and always done for, for, you know, just a full time thing for a while. And so when I when I met Cydia, she had been with our oldest son at the time, she'd come over as a single mom with her son, Wally, to Harvard, they kind of upgraded everything and came to Cambridge. And when I met Cydia, qualia was 10. And so we kind of became a family unit pretty quickly. And obviously when you know when to do it, and I got married, and so one of the things that came of that time we were living in DC was city I said, Why don't you write a children's album? And all of a sudden, all this music just started coming out of me, inspired by my conversation was with a query. And so it was really quite a fun time to, to be able to talk to him and understand his worldview and then write some music based on what I learned. And we, we ended up recording and producing this album together called wishing well. And it became pretty popular on the children's radio stations. And Wally and I were invited to be showcased performers at the world's only at the time Children's Music Conference. kindy calm, and at the time, we were the only act that had an actual kit, and you know, in the group, so that was quite a special time. And you know, we moved back out to cometa to put a trailer back in his his school he had been in, but we stayed on the East Coast for a year and did music and, you know, made some memories.   Michael Hingson  30:54 What good memories Wow, that's pretty amazing. I'm going to have to go look for the album.   Nick Bayard  31:00 Yeah, it was it was a surprise. To me, I had never thought of writing or recording children's music till Cydia suggested it. And I've, you know, I loved music as a kid Rafi has always been a hero of mine. And things kind of came full circle when I had a chance to take. Now our two youngest kids, we have four and a six year old to see Rafi alive. Just before the pandemic hit, we had a chance to meet him and give him a hug. And it just the you know, the the waterworks were turned on I it was more emotional than I expected it to be he so what did you do after music. That was we came out to Tacoma. And I was basically, you know, trying to figure out my place in this community and had a lot of meetings with folks and learned about an opening for the director of a social service organization that was working to support youth and young adults who were struggling with education and employment or housing, mental health, substance use disorders. And getting that job and really trying to build this thing into something that was, you know, trusted by young people and offered as many services as we can offer in one place. Because the young folks that have been burned by institutions are a lot less likely to trust institutions. And so we, as an institution could could help start to rebuild that trust a little bit by creating a space where people were, were welcomed and felt accepted, felt represented, and really could could be put on a path towards success, then we can make a big difference. And so it was a it was about as there for about five years, and we were able to increase mental health services on site, we were able to expand the the housing options for young people experiencing homelessness for our county. And we're able to really start the conversation around how institutional racism in the nonprofit sector is, is making our nonprofits not only in some cases, not effective, but in other cases, actually, the perpetuators of harm and so that's, that's something that I'm really pleased came out of that experience was was an opportunity to lead some of those conversations and be part of some of those efforts to to make it tough to make a change in the sector in terms of racial equity.   Michael Hingson  33:56 What made you go out to Tacoma in general,   Nick Bayard  34:00 well Cydia and equate my my wife and oldest son before I met them, they had been here my wife was born in eastern Washington and grew up in Tacoma. And so they had had they had a wife here before they went east to, to for city to get her second master's. And so we, you know, quaintly had his friends back here and I liked what I knew of Washington and so we decided to come out here and start a life together as a family. Less snow than the East Coast. Yes, sadly for me, but happily for much others in my family, who aren't as as big snow fans as I am,   Michael Hingson  34:47 but still get to snow.   Nick Bayard  34:49 We can. That's true. That's true. But it's a wonderful place to raise a family just because it's it is like you said you can get to almost anything Whether it's you know, the city, whether it is performing arts, venues, nature hikes, mountains, rivers, lakes, the ocean, you know, it's just, it's just great. And it's sort of like the home that I never knew I wanted.   Michael Hingson  35:20 And I'll bet being in Washington, you even know where Gonzaga University is where everyone else only knows once a year during basketball season.   Nick Bayard  35:28 That's right, we have some fierce, fiercely loyal folks, you know, in those, you know, in those in those fights, and I try to stay out of it. Yeah, the sports. The sports debates,   Michael Hingson  35:45 I had the honor of being invited to speak at Gonzaga several years ago, it was a lot of fun, and very much enjoyed being up there. So that's great. I've spent a lot of time around various places in Washington, which is always a good thing. We love Washington. Although we we love Victorville where we are we love it, especially because our house is very accessible, we built the house so that it's accessible for my wife. And so we can't complain. And then as you said, working at home, you know, you have all the things that you got to do. But we can create schedules and set it up to work, right. So it works out very well for us. So we're, we're pretty, we're pleased.   Nick Bayard  36:25 That's great. I'm curious if you, if you have any reflections on, you know, the people in Washington versus the folks where you are, one of the things I learned when I came out was that, that there's just sort of this, this norm of, it's okay to just start talking to somebody without even sort of an intro, sort of like you'd be at the supermarket and you can just, you can enter the middle of a conversation with somebody you've never met. I don't know if that was your experience when he came out here.   Michael Hingson  36:55 It was, and there are parts of California where you can do some of that. But I think the whole world is changing, we're getting to be such a polarized world, because of things that are happening in politics, that shouldn't happen, that people aren't talking to each other nearly as much as they used to, I don't know whether you're finding that out there. But we are seeing a lot more of it down here than we used to,   Nick Bayard  37:19 I find myself a lot more closed off. For a couple of reasons. One being, I still mask most places I go. And I also wear hearing aids. And so the combination of the mask and hearing loss, and, you know, just the mechanics of that, and then if somebody else is wearing a mask, it makes it really hard for me to, to hear what they're saying. Because I can't read their lips. And at the same time also, like, being a little bit wary of, you know, being around folks for too long and close environments. We've been lucky with COVID we haven't, haven't had it, but just, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, science, figuring out more about how to how to prevent it, how to treat it, how to deal with long COVID, that kind of stuff. So yes, I've I've not been as gregarious as I think I always used to be. But I hope to get back to that at some point.   Michael Hingson  38:21 We have stayed pretty close to home, I've traveled a few times to speak, done a lot of virtual things, but we stay pretty close to home, just because it is safer. And you know, we can cope with that we we are pretty good at being flexible about things changing. And when people talk about getting back to normal. That just is never going to happen. And I first thought about that after September 11. Because people kept saying after September 11 With all the things that were going on and government being closed for a week and airports being closed and all that and just all the discussions and people started saying we got to get back to normal. And it was very frustrating to me. And I finally realized that it was frustrating, because normal will never be the same again.   Nick Bayard  39:09 Right. Right. And and what opportunities do we have to identify what what was bad about the old normal that we can we can change. One of the I think real blessings over the last few years has been people have been forced or and invited, I think to to examine how they're spending their time, what they give their time and effort to. And I see people being bolder about pursuing what they love and spending more time with their families. And I think that's a wonderful byproduct of what's been a really difficult couple of years.   Michael Hingson  39:53 Yeah. And I hope that that trend will continue in that path. People will recognize that, and that companies and bosses and leaders will recognize that there's value in letting people do that, because it'll be much better for their mental health. Absolutely. Well, you ended up going at least for a while into city government in Tacoma, right?   Nick Bayard  40:17 I did, I was the assistant chief equity officer in the Office of Equity and Human Rights, which is charged with supporting equitable representation in the workforce. Making sure that our community outreach is is, is really robust, making sure that policies and procedures are equitable, and, and that they recognize the harm that's been done over over decades, you know, against certain groups, and so it's, it's an office that I have a ton of respect for, and I was really happy to be able to serve for for a couple of years. And it was really, I think, it's really valuable to, to go back and forth between different sectors to, to be able to keep fresh eyes on things, one of the things I really appreciate being able to do was being able to come into the government role with lots of grassroots community development experience, and having relationships with a lot of folks that a lot of the city employees didn't have. And so I was able to kind of be a trusted liaison for a lot of those groups and for city staff, and, you know, everybody's got their own path. But for me, being able to, you know, take that experience, somewhere where it can be of good use is, is important. And that's that's also, you know, translated to coming back to the nonprofit sector and going into public media now, is that I've got, you know, that perspective of what it's like to be in government and, you know, as as an entity that reports to, to voters and to community members in a, you know, in the way that in the way that our elections are set up, and the way that our community engagement set up. So it was, it was a, it was quite a valuable experience,   Michael Hingson  42:19 did you in dealing with all of the various issues and aspects around equity? Of course, everybody talks about diversity and so on. But generally, when they do disabilities get left out of that, did you find that you were involved at all or very much in dealing with equity from the standpoint of dealing with persons with disabilities and making sure that they get into the, to the workforce, and that were treated fairly, and so on?   Nick Bayard  42:48 Yes, there actually, prior to my arrival, there had been a long standing Tacoma area commission on disabilities. And most of the members of that commission, if not all, experience, pretty significant disabilities, you know, carry those in their lives. And so our office was charged with being the liaison for that commission. And so whenever there was, the commission would bring a concern or a policy proposal to the city come through our office. One of the projects that was underway that we helped move forward while I was there, was around accessible taxis. And it, it's a good, it was a good window into just how complex is policy challenges can be. Because, you know, the the elected officials that would have to get put put this into place, you know, had to figure out, we had to figure out how much it costs, we had to figure out where folks would need to go, we had to figure out what it would mean to retrofit a taxi company's vehicles. And then how Uber and Lyft and others will be involved with that. And it was it's a multi year process that's still underway. But what we did was we commissioned a feasibility study, so that we could get a clearer and clearer sense of what the cost and scope would need to be so that the elected officials could make a good decision based on that. Something else that commission accomplished was I'm really proud of, but I didn't have any personal part of this is that they had the council pass an ordinance to require closed captioning in all places of business, restaurants and so on. So somebody that's hearing impaired or deaf, would be able to watch TV watch a sports game and know what's going on in a way that they hadn't before. So I think the the bigger issues to tackle had to do with accessible housing and accessible streets And, and that kind of thing. And those are those that's ongoing work. Of course,   Michael Hingson  45:03 other aspects of all that that still don't get addressed very well are things that deal with with eyesight and things like Braille menus in restaurants. So we're, now you've got many companies that we in one way or another are putting kiosks in their facilities and McDonald's and McDonald's is now starting to make those kiosks talk or even accessible voting machines, so that a person who happens to be blind or low vision can go in and use an accessible machine to be able to vote independently. And there are just a lot of challenges like that, that continue to get left out of a lot of the discussions, which is unfortunate.   Nick Bayard  45:47 Very unfortunate. So a question for me is always how do how do we elevate voices like yours and and others? Who? Who oftentimes, I think the, the discussion is it the, the the attention is ends up going on, you know, the, the group or the person that can shout the loudest? Yeah. And so that's not that shouldn't be the case, it should be, you know, we should take a look at intersecting issues of privilege and access and figure out, you know, if, if we can redesign our system so that those of us who you know, have the most barriers, or have have an easy time of it, I think we'll all have an easier time of it, boy struck by the universal design concepts that make things accessible for folks with disabilities, but also make them easier to access for folks without disabilities. It's hard to argue against a lot of investment and that kind of change, I think.   Michael Hingson  46:54 And therein lies one of the real keys that is that, in reality, a lot of the things that might make life more inclusive for us really would help other people as well. But so many people emphasize just one thing that it makes it more of a challenge, like eyesight, you know, so even and one of my favorite topics I've discussed a couple of times on this podcast are the Tesla vehicles were everything is really driven by a touchscreen. And to use not only voice input, what voice output is limited or non existent, there is some voice input to be able to do things. But I as a passenger in a Tesla can't even work the radio, because it's all touchscreen driven. That's really lovely. Except that whoever does it, and the case of a driver, a driver has to look at the screen. And yes, you do have some other capabilities of the Tesla helping with driving. But the reality is that with the state of technology today, people should be watching the road. And we've got the technologies to allow us to use other senses. And we don't do it nearly as much as we should. We have not and we have not embraced in inclusive mindset yet. And when we do, then a lot of the questions that people may have and the concerns that people may have will go away, because they'll realize that what affects some will really help everyone,   Nick Bayard  48:28 for sure. I think part of the part of the reason we get stuck on some of these things is that we tend to think about things in either or terms like either either you support blind people, or you support immigrants, or you support people of color or you support the LGBTQ community. And there's these like saying these soI completely separate projects is a recipe for complete failure to make anything change. And I think what we we need to recognize is that every group contains elements of every other group. Correct. And so helping helping one group fully is going to help other groups in different ways and thinking of ways that we can invest in those, you know, in the middle of those Venn diagrams, so that so that everybody benefits. Right.   Michael Hingson  49:30 Well, so you worked in government, and then how did you get to bird note from that?   Nick Bayard  49:35 Well, I've always loved birds and been fascinated by their behavior, their anatomy, their resilience, and had had taken some ornithology masters levels classes. I when I was out in Wyoming, and, you know, it hadn't been at the front of my mind. You know, since I started family hadn't been out bird watching too much. But then I saw that, you know, the executive director job at burnout had opened up. And it was interesting to me because I didn't realize that bird note itself was independent of radio stations. As a listener, I always thought the burden out was just part of our either part of our local radio station or part of NPR. But in fact, it's an independent nonprofit. And so it, it took me seeing the job opening to understand how the organization was set up. And all of a sudden, it I was just very excited about that opportunity. Because, you know, I'd had nonprofit leadership experience, I love birds, I love the burnt out daily show, and the long form podcasts that burned out, produces. And it it seemed to me that it was just a great next step, in terms of in terms of getting to know a new field of public media, in terms of being able to take some skills I've learned elsewhere and apply them. And it was, you know, it was it was a job where I didn't know anyone going into it. And so, you know, a lot of people and myself included, you know, get jobs through, you know, a personal connection, introduce you to somebody, and then you go through an application or interview process. With burnout, it was it was first time recently where I just applied and was invited to interview. And so in that way, it was, it was gratifying, just not that I, you know, not that there's anything wrong with, you know, having those connections, but, you know, it's It felt good to just apply and just on the nature of what they saw, have them give me a call and,   Michael Hingson  51:58 and asked me to, to interview. And the rest is sort of history.   Nick Bayard  52:05 That's right. That's right, as coming up on one year and November.   Michael Hingson  52:08 So tell us a little about bird note, I'd appreciate knowing more about what exactly the organization is, what it does, and so on.   Nick Bayard  52:17 Sure, we're an independent public media nonprofit organization that's been around since 2005. And it it started really, as a as a radio program under the auspices of Seattle Audubon. And eventually, after a few years it, it became its own nonprofit. And it started really with this vision that the founders vision was to produce a short, sound rich audio experience for radio listeners about birds. And it's just become a really beloved institution in the areas where it's broadcast. And it it's now we've got the flagship show is the minute 45 second show, copper note daily that broadcasts in about 250 public radio stations across the US. We've got long form podcasts, those are called threatened and bring birds back. And we do virtual events and things that most listeners know us for burning out daily. Because that's our biggest audience. We've got, we think around 5 million daily listeners to that show. And so what's really powerful about that, is that we're able to, I believe, create a mindset shift for all of those folks, in terms of inviting them to slow down, pay attention to nature, learn something amazing about birds, and hopefully get inspired to spend more time with nature, with birds, and to the point where we hope we inspire action. For conservation, whether that's something simple, like the way that you live your life, the way that you set up your bird feeders, the way that you turn off your lights during migration season, those kinds of things, all the way up to advocating for more federal legislation for conservation. You know, we hear from listeners that we we have changed their lives, which is really amazing to hear that we've inspired people to to pursue careers in ornithology bird science, that we have helped people with mental health. People say that the show calms them down. It's something that they look forward to every day. And I think the really, really big opportunity we have is to continue showcasing and diversifying people from every background on the show and stories that reflects different kinds of knowledge. folks that aren't, you know, this the the typical profile of somebody who's been centered a conservation over the last 100 years. white male, able bodied person recognize that every group is connected to burns and has a love of, of burning in the outdoors. And we have an opportunity to elevate those stories that haven't been elevated, you know, over over our country's history, which is, I think, very powerful.   Michael Hingson  55:20 So what is the typical one minute 45 second show, like what happens?   Nick Bayard  55:27 Well, sometimes we we start with our theme song, which I'm not going to attempt to recreate with my voice here on burnout.org. And hear that it's a it's a very short, little, just very catchy, you know, couple of seconds thing and then you'll hear the narrator say, this is bird note. And then you'll hear the sound of birds usually, and the narrator will talk you through what you're hearing. And well explained something about the birds behavior, something that we you know, we're learning about the birds something that scientists have just figured out, that kind of thing, then we'll take you back to the sounds of the birds, and then maybe one or two more pieces of information. And then from time to time, well, well let folks know what they can do to to learn more or to connect or to you know, to to make a difference for birds. This morning show was about the white Bennett storm petrel, which is a seabird lives off the coast of Chile and Peru. And it lives most of its life just over the water. And it took scientists eight years to figure out that this storm petrol actually nests about 50 miles inland and the desert and part of the continent that people describe as looking like the surface of bars. So anytime we can, we can drop in some surprising fun tidbits of information for our listeners, we love to do that too. So is bird node, a standard 501 C three nonprofit it is. And if you've got a burden on.org, you can learn more about how to get our email list, which gives you a sneak preview of all of our daily or weekly shows. You can support bird note, we, we we rely on the generosity of listeners to do what we do. And so, you know, unlike a radio station public radio station, which does a fun to drive every couple of years, or sorry, a couple times a year, we we are asking listeners over social media and have our email list to support us with gifts. And we're fortunate to have a lot of generous listeners who donate monthly and who give annually. And one of the services that we've created is something called Bird note plus, where you can subscribe at a different level of monthly giving to get ad free podcasts and get access to special events and get early access to shows and so if there any podcast fans or bird lovers out there that want to check out bird note plus, I would encourage them to do that.   Michael Hingson  58:19 I would as well. It it sounds like a lot of fun. I have not I guess either been up at the right time or whatever have not heard bird no daily here so I'm going to have to go set up a reminder to go listen on the website, I guess every   Nick Bayard  58:34 day. Please do. Yes, you can subscribe anywhere you can podcasts, you can subscribe to the sempurna daily, something that's really exciting as we just launched burnout en Espanol. So it's our first dual language production. So there's a new podcast feed for burnout and Espanyol where it's it's the same experience of the English burden on daily but in Spanish and speaking with folks in and in it throughout the Americas that are doing conservation work. In conversation in Spanish, it's, I think a really great opportunity for us to broaden our audience throughout the Americas. And then our our long form podcasts you can also find anywhere you get podcasts or bring birds back is is I think there's just a really special program that's hosted by a woman named Tanisha Hamilton who models her entry into birding and you just feel the enthusiasm and excitement as she gets into this and talks about things like what it's like to be a black woman birder what it's like to find your own community and birding. You know, how do people with disabilities? What are some of the technologies that they can use to get out and look at birds there and then there are different sort of species specific Two episodes, one of the really popular ones is about the purple Martin, which, which has an amazing history of interplay with with Native American communities and, and carried forward today where people will become what they call purple Martin landlords and create houses for them and just it's just a great story. Great, great program. And then our we have a field based long form podcast called threatened, which is hosted by already Daniel who's on NPR science desk now, and that's about going to the place they're doing in depth work to understand the conservation challenges birds are facing. And so that that podcast is coming out with new episodes in January, focused on Puerto Rico and island habitats. We just wrapped up the season on Hawaii, which was, which was really fascinating.   Michael Hingson  1:00:57 Well, I, I'm gonna go listen, I It will be fun to go do that. Well, if people want to reach out and learn more about you and burden on I assume they can go to bird node.org. But how can they contact you and learn more?   Nick Bayard  1:01:11 Sure they can. They can email me directly at Nick B. At bird note dot org. Always happy to chat. If it's a general bird note inquiry, you can email info at bird note.org We get a lot of people writing in with bird questions. You know, how do we get burned out on our local radio station, that kind of thing. We love to hear those kinds of questions because it helps us connect with new audiences and new radio stations. And, you know, I'm hopeful that we can grow the broadcasts range of Berto because right now we brought about 250 radio stations. But if if we were to, you know, get broadcasts on some of the bigger stations, we could double or triple our audience overnight, which would be, which would be amazing. And it's just a minute 45 seconds. So it's not exactly like a huge investment. I understand that, that time is a finite resource on radio, but I just I don't think there's any good reason why every radio station shouldn't play Burnin Up   Michael Hingson  1:02:18 is short Is it is it makes perfect sense to do. Well, I, I find it fascinating and I hope everyone listening to us today will find it fascinating as well. And that they will reach out to you I think it will be beneficial. And as I said, I'm gonna go make it a habit, I think I can easily do that minute and 45 seconds is just not that long. It's not a big ask just and it's such a such a joyful   Nick Bayard  1:02:47 show. You know, I came into this job as a huge fan, and just have become an even bigger fan, just, you know, getting under the hood and understanding everything that goes into developing creating and producing these shows. So I just feel really lucky to be doing what I do and lucky to have the chance to try to share it with as many people as I can and lucky to ask people to write us check some of sign up to God because that's that's what, that's what keeps us producing the stories and what what allows us to keep growing?   Michael Hingson  1:03:27 Well, I'm gonna go check out bird note.org. And a little bit more detail. Do you know if the website designer paid any attention to or spend any time making sure that it's accessible and put an accessibility kinds of elements to the site? And or do you know if they've done that?   Nick Bayard  1:03:42 We've done a, we our web developer ran an accessibility audit. I need to dig into the details around which aspects are good and which are bad. They told us we got a 91% score.   Michael Hingson  1:03:58 That's pretty good.   Nick Bayard  1:03:59 I think yeah, I think it's pretty good. That's you know, there's always, always room for improvement. One of the things that we were early early adopters of is the the transcripts of every episode on how to be really descriptive in those but I know that we've got got work to do and would welcome any, any feedback you have for sure when you when you go and check it out.   Michael Hingson  1:04:26 We'll do it. And I will definitely communicate either way. Well, Nick, thanks again for being with us. This has been fun and fascinating. I hope you've enjoyed it and and we really appreciate you coming on and we hope you'll be back and update us as burnout progresses.   Nick Bayard  1:04:44 Well, thanks so much, Michael. And I just want to say I'm really inspired by you and your story and I was just thrilled to hear from you and get the invitation to talk. So it's been just a really wonderful Expo. grandson a great honor to be able to chat with you today.   Michael Hingson  1:05:03 Well, my pleasure as well. And for all of you out there listening, please reach out to Nick, please learn more about bird note. And we hope that you'll give us a five star rating wherever you're listening to the podcast. We really appreciate you doing that. I'd love to hear your comments, please feel free to email me at Michaelhi at accessibe.com A C C E S S I B E, or go to our podcast page, Michael hingson.com/podcast. But either way, I would appreciate your five star review would appreciate your comments. And Nick, for you and for everyone listening if you know of anyone else who you think ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset. We'd love to hear from you about that as well. So thanks for listening. And Nick once more. Thank you very much for being a part of us today and our podcast. 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TRANSCRIPT Welcome back to the Cultivate Women's Podcast. We are so excited to be talking about new Year stuff. I know that we're probably in the end of January, so it's not like exactly the new year, but this is where when we have set all these new goals and habits and or resolutions if that's what you wanna call them. And then now you're feeling. , I don't know if these are working or maybe I missed a couple days. And I think that a lot of the times these goals and these habits and the things that we wanna pl like change come from a genuine place. They come from a place like within our heart of I want to do better at this, or I wanna do change my habits in this area. I think that it all stems from a good place. But a lot of the time we don't have the proper. Strategy, like Sarah Beth's gonna talk about that. We don't have the proper resources, maybe resources or just things put in place to help us succeed. And so that's what we wanna talk about today. Yeah. We wanna talk about some encouraging ways that you can be successful at these new habits or things that you're wanting to implement. And then just give you some Things that we've struggled with or we've done well with, or we've found success with. And that is kinda what we wanna talk about today. And I think one of the biggest things like right now is like everyone starts a new Bible reading plan at the beginning of the year. And a lot of the times it's like the read your Bible in a year, like that's the goal. Yeah. Like, I've gotta read my, the whole Bible in one year. And I think that's an amazing goal. Yes. That's super awesome and we're all really excited about it. But it doesn't always necessarily play out that way. Yeah, totally. So let's get real for a second. . We're like, oh my gosh, I'm super advantageous. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna start off in January and by December 31st, man, I'm closing. Page, and I've got it and I'm gonna know everything I need to know. Yeah. My faith's gonna be transformed, and that is definitely likely to happen if you read the whole Bible. I would definitely agree with that. Sure. But I am, I'm guilty. I'll just go ahead and raise my hand. I'll be the first one in the room. I have definitely made out goals year after year to read the Bible in a year. And I've done everything from just saying I'm gonna open the first page and I'm starting at. You. And then and then I've tried the plans that are like the digital plans in the Bible app where it's okay, you're gonna read it chronologically and we're starting in Matthew Uhhuh, And then all of a sudden you start reading, and I'm just gonna say it, you guys, we start reading and it's like the ancestor part, right? . It's like Adam was part of this and Eve was part of that and this was the mom of this and this was, and so was this. And and then I start reading it and I'm like, why am I. What am I doing? What is this? And for me it's like I zone out. I don't mean to zone out. Yeah. It's just that I don't understand the relevancy. In some of those names I'm like, how do you even say this   like this guy, I don't know. I do what in the world. And those biblical names, catch you. And then I'll get through, I'll force myself to read through that. Couple chapters. Yeah. And then it starts telling me a story, but then it's like relating to something else. And because maybe at the time I didn't have a theological background to understand what was going on. Yeah. I just was like, okay, I'll just start reading the A Bible verse every day. I've done that. That's me, that's, I'm guilty of that. And I think all of us have been there. Yeah. Jordan, do you have, have you gotten through the whole Bible in a year? Have you done. ? I have, yes. I don't do it every year. But I have to say I've done it at least once. I probably maybe done it more than once, but I know I could say I've done it at least once. How'd you do it? I still fall into that too. Like I'll still fall into the, like I started and , I was like, sorry, there's a red light on the wall that wasn't there before. No worries. Here you go. All. Jordan, have you ever read through the Bible? Have you ever actually completed a plan? And if you did, how did you even do it? I just want all of the wisdom because yes, I've read through the Bible. I know every book. I get it. We sang the songs in ch in children's church, right? Sunday School is what we called it when I was a kid, but  Yeah. I've read all of it. I know. Stand, and now I have a theological background, but as a listener here, like how have you done it? Give me all your wisdom. I've done it at least once. I don't do it every year. It's definitely the, a goal to do that. Like I set out saying okay, I'm gonna follow a plan or whatever. And like even this year I didn't do the whole Bible in a year, but it's the New Testament in three months or something. The first three or four months read the whole new Testa. Which I think is a little bit easier to do because it's when you get into that Old Testament that it's like you're going through Leviticus and you're like, what in the world where these laws and what is happening and you're not really, quite understanding. But anyways, so I think for me, and it's something that we talk about at Passion Creek actually, and so it's something that Trey my husband has taught me. But it was more of setting a pace versus a.  like a goal. Yeah. So not like I'm gonna read five chapters today. That can seem like so overwhelming. Yes. Depending on where you are in the Bible. Because if you're in the gospels, , they're 52 verses long each chapter. So you're like talking like 400 verses Yes. In your timeframe and like that. And maybe that's gonna take an hour, right? And maybe we don't have an hour in the mornings, or in the afternoons or in the evenings or whatever. Is that time that you have? So for us, we have learned that that it's more about setting a pace or a time. Yes. So like I have this much time to devote to scripture at this time of day. Yes. So something that, like Trey says is pick a time, pick a place, and then pick a plan. So yes, it's important to follow a plan, but not in the way of You have to read all of this in one day. You can look at that and it can be listed by days, but you know that like I'm just gonna read till the time's in. If I didn't, then I'll pick up where I left off the next day and I'll move forward. Because if we do it that way, I feel like we're less likely to get discouraged. Yeah. We're less likely to be like, oh my gosh, I didn't get through all the chapters. Yes. Versus I sat down and I spent a solid 15 minutes reading scripture with the Lord. And you can be proud of yourself. Absolutely. You're absolutely proud of yourself cuz you did it. Yes. And it's not that you didn't accomplish a goal, you did actually do something. You gave dedication, you gave time. Yeah. You actually put into, on the paper, you, you read through the bible. The time and the place, and you've Yes. Completed that action. And I think that reading the Bible in a year is like a worthy goal. Like I think that's amazing. But if you read 365 days this last year and you didn't make it through the whole Bible, Praise the Lord. Amen. You got, you actually did read the Bible. You read the Bible whole, the whole year, yes. So yes, it's okay to have that goal, but also don't hold so tightly to it that there's no wiggle room because when we don't leave ourselves wiggle room is when we can lead to that discouragement and that Feeling of this is pointless, or I'm never gonna get better, or I already missed two days and now it's over with or Right. And sometimes it's you missed two days. Okay. Forget those two days. You jump forward four chapters or wherever it, yeah. It's okay. Like you can go back and read that again another time or  or whatever it is. Like we don't, it doesn't have to be so strict into the tea. And I don't think that's what the Lord. The Lord knows our heart. He knows our desires. And if our desire is to truly open his word and to learn and to grow and to just genuinely just be in his presence, yes. Like he is gonna honor that 15 minutes over you trying to rush in five chapters in an hour. And one thing that I started doing before I actually opened the Bible it, it might feel really weird at first, but just.  and be still. Yeah just be quiet. Don't look at your phone, don't listen to a song, don't do anything wherever your space is that you're gonna dedicate to actually reading. Whether that's the couch before the kids wake up. Yeah. Whether that's, the edge of your bed before your husband wakes up. , whatever it is. Just stop and pause and allow the Lord to impact your heart. Allow him to speak to you. And sometimes when people say that I, when I was early on in my journey, I would always be like, so am I gonna hear him audibly? What do you mean by that? But I feel like the, when the Lord speaks to us, you may all of a sudden it might feel heavy on your heart. My worth. I'm not honoring my. Yeah. In Jesus, and so then maybe if you don't know the Bible a hundred percent, you can just go over to Google and search. Can you gimme a Bible verse or what book should I read? Yeah. If I want to hone in on my worth and what Jesus's truth is and take a minute to just pause before you read . Because I think it'll allow you to receive what God has to say for you and direct you where to actually go read. So if you are trying to read the. every day of the year instead of all of it in one year. Yeah. You actually can know what God is wanting to talk to you about, and then pray on what you just read about. If you only got 15 minutes, read for 14. Pray for the last one . And really bring it full circle. Yeah. And I think another thing that people struggle with is they feel like that the only way that it's. Honorable to the Lord is if I'm sitting down and it's quiet and I've got my Bible open in front of me and while tho, those are all great things and it's definitely gonna be helpful and beneficial to have a quiet house in your physical Bible in front of you. I think I know where this is going, , but that's not always gonna happen. It's not always gonna happen and that's okay. Like you've got young kids like maybe. You're playing it on your phone, the Bible's reading to you and you have it out loud while you're cooking your kids' breakfast. Yes. Because guess what? Not only are you hearing that, but your kids are hearing that. Amen. Yeah. So it's like it doesn't have to be one way or it's forget it, I can never do this again. And maybe some mornings you're like, yeah, I can sit down and the kids are sleeping in for whatever reason and I have some extra time. Yeah. I'm going to do that. Yeah. Or it's oh my gosh, they were up at five and I don't know what to do with myself cause I didn't get my Bible reading done. Like it can be so overwhelming and stressful if we think I have to have it done in this timeframe at this, specific thing. And I know again, I just said, pick a time, pick a place. But give yourself grace. Yeah. Have grace in that and know that not every day is going to go exactly the way you planned it to go. Exactly. Like there are outside circumstances, there are things that goes on. , maybe a kid wakes up sick and  you've gotta keep them home instead of them going off to school and you having that time and so I think that there are different ways to do that. And the Bible, having the Bible read to you is, oh, I love that. A really cool way. Yes. Maybe you commute to work. Yeah. And you've got a 45 minute drive, or you drive the kids to school, or you're driving the kids to school, And you've got 10 minutes before you get there. Yes. But that's 10 minutes. That you're hearing the Bible, your kids are hearing the Bible. Yes. And I think we wanna drive home more than anything, Jordan And I agree. There are no cultural norms on this podcast. So we wanna share with you lots of ways that you can actually listen to the Bible. You can read the Bible, you can pick a podcast like this one to listen to, right? And find something that really resonates with you. Yeah. And you had mentioned I'm going to Google if you're like, not sure if you're early in your faith and you're like, I don't even know where to start.  Or, I don't even know. And I think Google's a great option. Yeah. But also know that like you can message us on Instagram. Yeah. Go to our Instagram page, like maybe you don't have someone. Who is further along in their faith than you? Or like maybe you're just like, you're just brand new to this space and you're not quite sure like who to go to. Or like maybe you attend a church where the pastor seems a little far off and you can't feel like you can't just grab it, walk up and grab him and say, Hey, like, where do I start? Yeah. Yep. So know that like we are always there as a resource for you. Yeah, both. Through the podcast recording, but we will be on Instagram, send us a dm, Yeah. Any of those things. And we would love to chat with you, send you resources and that is the reason for this space. Yes. For our Instagram page, for our podcast. All of that is we want it to be beneficial and helpful to you. So if you ever have . Oh. I just really, I don't know. And I don't know who to go to, know that SarahBeth and I are there and we are behind that screen. Yes. And we would love to pour into you and give you tips, resources, or anything like that. And it's a safe space, yeah. We are not here in, in a judgment way at all. Like I said, cultural norms don't exist with us. Yeah. We're here to be open, transparent, and to help you in your journey. If you just started believing in Jesus yesterday, We're here for you. Yeah. We wanna be there for you in that journey and give you tips on the, on where to go and where to be. And I know that as someone who's always been interested in personal growth and development, I have enjoyed setting new goals and habits for myself at the start of the year. So to all of you, that started out 2023, this, I just wanna give you a huge hug, obviously virtual, but I want to give you a huge hug in that I believe that the start of a new year is a great opportunity to be reflecting on what we want to achieve and positive changes in our life. But I've also learned that it's important to approach goal setting with humility. Yeah. And that the genuine change, or just a genuine desire for change that you talked. Jordan it, it's important because it's easy to get caught up in the hype of New Year's resolutions. Yeah. And to set these like unrealistic goals for ourselves, I'm gonna lose 50 pounds. Do you know how hard it's to lose 50 pounds? Oh my gosh. Seriously? Do you know hard? It's to lose five, five pounds. Seriously. Let's down a level. People just set these goals and it's holy cow. And I've read a lot of books and. Several books that I've read, they talk about when people set goals. It can, it's so exciting when you reach it, right? Yeah. You get this like dopamine high, right? And if you don't know much about what that means in the human brain, I encourage you to look it up because it's actually pretty incredible how our brain reacts and responds to different things. Yeah. And What I've learned is that and this is not something that I personally thought of there's a book that I've read Atomic Habits, and I'm reading it actually a second time right now. Yeah. And it's fantastic. I listened to it the first time that I quote unquote read it, but now I'm actually reading it. And I like that because when I'm actually reading it, I see the figures. But when you listen to an audible Right, you can't really see all the pictures. But in this book, it talks about setting a strategy over setting a goal. Yeah. And. I wanna speak to that for a minute. When you set a strategy like, Hey, I am going to do I wanna lose 10 pounds. Yeah. Let's just say that was our goal. Okay. Let's say I'm like, oh my gosh, I wanna lose 10 pounds, but I didn't lose 10 pounds. Then I feel defeated. , I stopped doing whatever. If I was walking every day. If I was eating right for a week and a half, if I was had an accountability partner for two weeks, whatever it. Stopping it, right? Yeah. Because I didn't get my 10 pounds lost. Totally. Yeah. In the seven days that I tried. And so what I wanna try to think about for a second is instead of saying, gosh, I didn't lose 10 pounds, I want you to think about what your strategy was. And I want you to say that every strategy instead was a goal. So if I wanna lose 10 pounds, I wanna start walking every day for 15 minutes. Yeah. Great. 15 minutes is 15. That's 15 minutes more than you were doing last week, right? Yeah. If I walk 15 minutes today, I'm gonna be proud of myself today. I'm proud of myself that I took the step today. That gives your brain something to be honored about, something to light up that dopamine in your brain and give you that good sense of feeling. I accomplished this. Yeah. And one way that I try to take my strategy for everything that I want to accomplish is sometimes I'll take a picture and I'll throw it on my story on Instagram, and not because I want to in a haughty way. Boastful way. I want to tell people what I'm doing, but I wanna hold myself accountable. If I don't post that, I went walking today and I didn't go walking, then I'm gonna be like, you know what? I can go walk for 15 minutes. Come on. So I wanna talk about some strategies that you guys can start doing now to get yourself to the goal you want to reach. And I'm gonna talk about five of them. Yeah. But I'm gonna give you guys the names of these and then. To encourage you to go look 'em up if you can. Yeah, absolutely. And if you're not interested in looking 'em up, that's totally cool. If you wanna learn more about them on our Instagram, we're gonna throw up some stories about some information on these. Yeah. And these might help you as you get through to figuring out what your goals are gonna be. Hey, if January was a busy month and you just wanted to take down Christmas stuff and you didn't get to make any goals. Yeah, let's make February. So let's start it fresh. So here's a few things, a few strategy planning methods, if you will, and you can pick, one or two of them that you wanna know about Smart goals. If you're in business, and you're listening to this, you've probably heard of these before. The method involves setting specific, so s for specific, M for measurable. A for achievable, R for relevant, and then T for time bound goals, it helps ensure that your goals are clear, actionable, and they can help increase the chances of actually achieving them. So I wanna host a family for dinner one time a week or one time a month to serve those in my church community. How can I do this and not go over budget on a meal or worry that my house isn't perfect enough for hosting? Yeah, okay. I've been guilty of that. I love to host people at my house. Yeah. If you live in Arizona, you're coming over. Yeah. But for me, I want everything to be so perfect and not because I want people to think that I'm super perfect. It's because I literally want people to just feel blessed when they walked in. Yeah. And if I think that my house has something that it shouldn't have, I immediately feel bad. I immediately. Oh my gosh, my house isn't perfect enough for someone. So the smart goals is a great way to lay out what you want to do. And then the second one is the Wheel of Life. This method involves identifying different areas of your life, such as health, relationships, maybe motherhood or parenting, and setting goals in that area. It helps ensure that you're working towards a well-rounded and balanced life. Then there's the O K R method. The method involves setting objectives, like what you wanna do and key results, how you wanna measure your progress. It helps you ensure that your goals are aligned with your overall vision and that you have clear benchmarks for measuring your progress. And then the fourth one is called the five whys, and I actually really, really love. This one. The method involves asking why five times to get to the root cause of the problem or the challenge that you can't get through. So if you made yourself a goal and you can't achieve it, you can actually go through and ask yourself. Five, ask yourself why five times. This will help you identify underlying issues that are preventing you from achieving it and allowing you to come up with a plan for addressing them like working. Eating better, reading the Bible consistently. Ask yourself why Five times and then you'll figure out why you're not doing it. Like why didn't I do it this morning? I was really busy. Okay but why were you really busy? Okay. I was really busy because I had a meeting at eight o'clock and I didn't prepare for it. Okay, but why didn't you prepare for it? Because I was really stressed out the day before because my schedule's too full. Okay. Why was your schedule too full? . My schedule was too full because I didn't actually plan out my schedule and I was just trying to get done whatever I could get done. Okay. Why did you do that? Because I didn't wanna take the time to make a schedule because I didn't think I had time to make a schedule. Okay. The root cause is that you're not planning your day yeah. So that the five why's is a great method. And then the last one is the growth mindset approach. The mindset involves adopting a growth mindset. That, which means seeing challenges and setbacks as opportunities for growth and learning. It can help you stay motivated and persistent as you work towards your goals. So those are just five little options. We're gonna talk more about them on our Instagram, so definitely head over there. Yeah. We'll mention a few resources and some links so you guys can get in there. But Jordan, what do you think about different strategies? People could start now if they didn't make a goal in the new year, or if they did and they're really. Whatever that goal is. Like what could they be doing that could help them start fresh now? Hey, we're at the end of January. Let's get February rocket and rolling. Yeah, I think definitely. I love you touched, it's so much on mindset too. It's like having that, like you can't have that mindset that . Oh, we can only set new goals in January. Like it is not a first of the year kind of thing. Yes. Like this is not oh I forgot I'm halfway through January, up the end of January, or the beginning of February, and I didn't set those goals, or I didn't work at them like just next year, 2024 I used to have a whole year ahead of you. Yes. So I think having that mindset, , it doesn't matter if it's the start of a year or start of a month, the start of a week. Like you can set new goals and new like habits at any time. So don't hold yourself back. Don't put yourself in a box of oh, I missed my opportunity. Create those opportunities and know that  that it's okay. Who cares what so and so over there is doing. Who cares if she was successful? Cheer on. That's amazing. Yes. But don't compare. It doesn't change yourself. Exactly. Yes. To them. And that's the other thing is don't compare. Yes. I think that it's cool to watch other people and be like, oh that's an amazing goal that she set, , maybe I wanna adopt that and tweak it so it fits in my life. Yes. But not in a way that like I am holding myself accountable to her and her standard and how she's doing it. Yes. If that makes sense. Totally makes sense. Do you have a suggestion on like small, something small, someone could start now maybe you were really trying to read the Bible in a year like we talked about Yeah. In the beginning of this episode. And maybe that's something that you can't quite grasp right now. Are there some other ideas you have of what someone could start now that maybe is just something small that they could start with? Yeah, so if you, so obviously a Bible reading plan is always like a good goal. And so whether and we talked, we touched on that one. But I think also, like there, there are a few other things that I've done that I found helpful. Like a prayer journal. And so that's like having a specific journal that is set aside for for just that for prayers. And so that's writing those downs. And I think that a lot of the times when we write our prayers down, like it keeps us more focused. I feel like it's easy to get sidetracked when you're praying. If you're, Walking through the house and you're like, or I'm doing laundry, or whatever it is. And like you see something on the floor and you're like, oh, I gotta go pick that up. Or I gotta throw that away. Or Oh that. And then, and like your mind just jumps and jumps Yes. Oh my gosh, I need to do that. And that the ADHD and all of us . Yes. And so like I think that writing them down helps us stay focused. Yes. And make it through what we're trying to say. Cuz we're actively. , like writing that out. And then the other really cool thing about those is that you have that, like you, you wrote that down and Six months from now, you see the Lord working and something happens and you're like, oh my gosh. Like I prayed for that on January 6th, 2022, 2023. And like you're able to like reference back and it gives you this This gratitude and this thankfulness yes to the Lord to be like, wow. Like he provided and he was there and he was listening and maybe it didn't happen in my timeline and the way that I wanted, or how quickly I wanted an answer to this specific prayer. But it allows you to see God's hand and his goodness and his faithfulness over the journey of. Your life over the journey of your year. Yeah, I have a question about that. A lot of times I'll talk about prayer journals with people and they'll be like I think that's a great idea, but what if someone else reads this? So I'm not gonna write. Like truly what I'm authentically thinking about, because what if I die tomorrow and someone has to read my prayer journal? And there was something in there that I did not want them to know about, that I was praying about, because it's embarrassing, I've been there, I've been that girl that's okay, so I'm gonna write this prayer out, but I'm gonna write it super professional and I'm gonna be like, dear Jesus, , and. Start writing exactly what I think God wants me to hear. Yeah. In the most prayerful way. And it's so elegant and so perfect. But I think I would love for you to share with me, like being authentic. Like how can I be authentic in writing in my prayer journal? Like I feel like that's something we don't talk about. We're like, write your prayers out, but like, what if I just don't wanna tell the. I know. You know what I mean? I It's hard. It's, as a female, we're like, someone's gonna judge me. You know? And I think that like knowing, like this is like you're having a conversation with the Lord. This is like I'm sitting across from Sarah Beth and I'm having a conversation with her and that is how God wants us to talk to him. He wants us, like he is our father. He is our friend. Like he wants us to just have this genuine connection and conversation with him because he knows it all anyways. Yeah. Like he , he knows your inner thoughts. , he knows the things that you struggle with. He knows the sins that you haven't yet confessed or, like that you're just struggling through. Yes. He knows all of that anyways. And while maybe the people around you don't know that I think that he. You for being genuine, authentic, and honest with him. And I guess if we died tomorrow, our friends are gonna give us some grace. Whoever's gonna be that. And it's like, like, is it gonna really matter if I'm with Jesus? Exactly. I'm in heaven. Thanks. By  I'm getting my new body. Yes.  And I didn't have to lose 10 pounds literally. And it's gonna be perfect. So yeah, I love that. Thank. Making that truth even to me, I just need that encouragement to know that like I can be truly myself. Yeah. Even when I'm filling out a prayer journal. Yeah. And that journal, if you need to tie it with a leather strap and Right. Hide it under, hide under your mattress. Mattress. Yeah. Hide under your mat. Whatever you gotta do it. But the freeing nature of putting onto paper Yes. And letting it out of your soul. Just like giving it to Jesus, surrendering it all. You will feel so much better. Yeah, I know personally. Absolutely. I have felt better just getting it out. It's not silly to write it. It's not silly to write a prayer. Even if you are a new believer and you're like, this feels lame. I promise. Do it once, then do it a second time. Yeah. Then do it a third time and just do that for yourself. Even if it's just letting it out, do it for yourself. Write a letter to Jesus. Let him know what you're thinking. That's all a prayer is, right? Yeah. Writing a letter to. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that maybe you're someone who, like you, I'm a pen and paper kind of girl. Like I have a journal that is a planner that is like physical paper planner that I fill out. Love that. This is what I'm doing. I love it. This is my day . But I know some of you are like, Nope, I've gotta have it all on my eye calendar and like Google Calendar, whatever it is, . And so I'm sure there are. Programs or like even, probably even notion, if you guys have, we're not even gonna get into Notion, cuz we could we'll get into that later. We'll do three podcasts on that . But I'm sure you could create like a space where you're typing out your prayers. Yes. And if you're more like technological, that's what you wanna do. Do it. And if you're afraid someone's gonna read it. I'm sure there's a way you can encrypt it in there is, there's a password on the notes app. You have to be protected, you know? Yep, that's right. So it's like there. You're good, but Yep. It's just the actual, like you said, of like actually doing it. Yes. And there is something so freeing about speaking or writing or however that is out loud or on paper. We bring our, when we bring our sin or our struggles or our fears into the light is when we can see. either. Wow. It's not that big of a deal. Like something that I was terrified over. Yeah. It's when you bring it out of the darkness and into the light, you're like, it's not a big deal.  you bring your sin out of the darkness and into the light like the Lord gives you. And I'm not to say this is always gonna happen and we're gonna have struggles and there's gonna be sins that we are reoccurring in it, in its process because we are human and we're gonna struggle. But it's, you're gonna struggle less. I feel like I can confidently say, you're gonna struggle. If you.  bring that sin to light. Yes. Versus keeping it hidden in the darkness. You may still struggle. Yeah. But I think even Jordan, when you're speaking to, you will experience, an element of less pain in some realm. I think the reason that maybe you're saying that is because now you have a partner, Jesus is with you and you feel a peace of mind knowing that. , our Lord and Savior actually is with me. He's protecting me through this. Yeah. I don't have to have as much anxiety. I don't have to have as much worry. A prayer journal. Start it now. Yeah. Start it now because you have 11 more months of this year, right? That you are going to go through trials you don't even know anything about yet. And that's not to be a discouragement, but I wanna encourage you to have that journal so that you have an outlet. Yeah. If you. Significant other. If you have a husband, if you, or if you're a man and you're listening to this welcome Yes. And you have a fe, a woman, a wife in your life and you can share with them, that is also great. Yeah. But the way that the Lord provides for you is so different that un gosh, how do you even say it? That, that unedited love that, that. All knowing, all, seeing, all believing love that he gives to you is something that you, that there's no comparison to that. So we definitely wanna be an encourager for you to start that. Jordan, do you have any other ideas on things that we could do for, just a goal we can start now? Yeah. Yeah, a couple more. I think joining. , A Bible study group is always a it's a good accountability. So it's like if you're saying like, I wanna do that Bible plan, but maybe I am never a successful at or , I struggle , get yourself some accountability. Find 2, 3, 4 friends who are like, Hey, let's all do this plan together. Yeah. And whether that means like you're meeting up in person once a month or every couple of weeks, or however that looks. FaceTiming over once a week or, whatever that is. Find someone or a couple women to do that with. Because I think when you do that, you're able to like, understand and see scripture from different points of view. because the Lord, like while scripture itself never changes, like the Lord speaks and reveals different things to different people while they're reading. And so I feel like I could read a passage and come away with something and then you could read that same passage and you may come away with something different. And it'd be like to be able to share that and be like, I love that. Wow. Look, I didn't look at that way. Or maybe I didn't understand the meaning of that word or what he meant in that sentence. And you did. And so yeah, where when you're able to Have a group of women or people that you're able to like, share your thoughts with, share how the Lord is working in your life or through those verses like y you're able to grasp scripture from a more rounded point. Yeah. Rounded point of view. Yeah. you're getting different takes on it. Are there resources that we have that we can share with our listeners on like joining a group, even local here at Queen Creek, Arizona? What are some ways that women can find a group? Because I think that's scary, right? Yeah. It's gosh, how, where do I know how, if I were to type, join a Bible study group, I'm gonna get a million ads on Google, right? But what can I do to. Find a place? What's my resources there? Yeah, I think your first and foremost should be like, seek out something within your local church. So whatever, wherever you are, whatever church that is that you attend whether that is like talking to leadership and saying Hey, do you guys have a women's Bible study that meets, or do you have is there a women's ministry? A lot of the times, like there are women's ministries at churches. That they provide that so cultivate our Women's Ministry of Passion Creek. We have done bible studies before and it was like there was a book that we got from.  she reads truth, which is a really helpful resource that they do bible studies that you can purchase either on the app or on like the physical copy. They'll mail you a physical copy of it. But we have done that and it's like every Saturday morning, like through the next two months everyone's meeting at my house and we're gonna , watch a video love, or we're gonna read a scripture. So I feel like a women's ministry is a really helpful resource. So whatever your local church is like talking to leadership of some sort. Yeah. Leadership and asking. . And then like places like she reads truth. Yeah. They have like studies that they go through, so they're like, okay, we're going through this book. So you can buy it and you can follow along. And there's an entire online community, online community that's going through it. You can type in your questions and you can type in whatever. And there's discussion and back and forth. Yeah. And that's more like big skill, like not local, like where you're gonna get that like face-to-face. And I think there's a place for both of that. Absolutely. That's okay if you're starting out and you're just like, maybe I'm, maybe you're new to church. Yeah. And you like, haven't really made those relationships yet. But you don't wanna wait to get started. You can go through the avenue and that's totally fine and that's great. Yeah. But don't just use that as a way of I'll just do this instead of going to my church. Because you're missing out. Yes. Don't you think that there's something super special about being in community with the women locally, right? Yeah. And I think it just popped in my head as you were talking, but let's say, maybe you're a new believer or maybe you're seasoned and you're like, gosh, My church doesn't have anything. You can be the leader, right? Yeah. Like you can start something, right? Go on Facebook. There's a million moms groups, women's groups, million chats. You can, Hey, I live in Queen Creek, Arizona, and I'd like to start, yeah, a women's Bible study once every, I wanna do it once. A one Saturday a month. Yeah. Whatever. , start off easy. Don't commit yourself to every week. That's terrifying, right? Yes, . Yes, that's right. That's right. You don't have to be like a lead pastor at your house, . And you can start it. You can be the one that starts it. Absolutely. And I know at Passion Creek we even have groups that, your whole family can go to. Yeah. We have together groups and all these great things. , so there's a lot of resource. Here locally in Queen Creek, Arizona. If you're here, we'd love to see ya. But there's also ways that you can actually be a leader in your own hometown, city, state, whatever it is. Yeah. And just start small Bible study groups can be you and one other person. That's all it takes, right? That's a group . Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think so often in, in so much in life, we sit back and we wait. Especially friendships, we'll probably get. But I feel like that is a huge barrier in friendships. , because we sit back and be like she didn't reach out to me and she didn't make an effort. She didn't . But did you? You can't, yes. You can't sit back and expect everyone to come to us. We have lives if you wanna have a relationship. Yeah. , everyone's busy and everyone busy. Everyone has everything going on. Not to get off onto that topic. I know we won't get there. We'll get there later. We'll get there later. , yes, but that is the point. It's like you can't be that leader, be the person that starts the Bible study group. If you want it, if you desire it, do it. God is speaking to you. If you are listening to this and you're like, gosh, you know what? I really wanna be in a Bible study group. That's God speaking to your heart. He is. He is paving the way. He is telling you that you need this, you need something. So listen to that. In my opinion, don't be afraid to be a leader. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm sure there's other women that are like,  that are thinking the same thing you're thinking and no one's just stepping up to do it. Yeah. And maybe they're thinking it like, gosh, I wish a leader would reach out to me, . Exactly. So be the leader and reach out to your friend. Cool. Yeah. Just a couple more ideas that we have had is service projects are always really a really cool thing to get into. And that can be as little as Going and serving that. If a local food pantry or , a homeless shelter or serving breakfast on a Saturday morning or whatever that is depending on where you live. I don't think we really have we have a food pantry here in Queen Creek, but our po our homeless population isn't huge. So there's not a, you can go to the library and read books to kids. Yeah. So there's a million things you can do and those things out and that, so it can be something in as little as that up to. , literally sign up for your church's next mission trip. Like, where's your church going in the summer? Maybe you've never been out of the country. Maybe that terrifies you. Do it. Do it. Do it like put yourself like step outta your comfort zone. Yep. And it is insane the growth that can happen on a mission trip. Yes. When you step out of.  America and the comforts that we are used to living with and go to a country, whether it's whether it's like a known country that like, has all the amazing, like I went to Puerto Rico, and I've never been more uncomfortable in my whole entire life, but I never had a better time in my whole life. And I think that, a service project. , it'll teach you that yes, you're gonna be uncomfortable, but it's gonna put make you uncomfortable so that you can find the beauty in it. Yes. And so a service project is an amazing way for you to show your time, your talents, your health. Yes. You can even incorporate this in your life by just doing a little bit of research. And we'll talk about this on our Instagram too, just different service projects you can have things we find out locally. Yeah. And nationally that you can get involved in. . Yeah. We actually have one coming up for passion Creek for our church. We are, we did what last year and we're doing it again this year and we run a soccer camp. So we have a mission team that's actually coming from Tennessee and they're bringing a whole crew here and we are gonna set up at the middle school soccer fields and it's gonna be so cool. All the kids from kindergarten up through. , I don't even know. Middle school or high school. Yeah. But you sign your kid up and they get to come and just learn soccer, and then we do Bible studies and learn about Jesus, yeah. And so if you're like, oh, I wanna help with that, like I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do the Bible study for that day, or I'm gonna help Run around and grab soccer balls for the kids or Yeah, bring water, like whatever it's waters for the kids. Yeah. Those are little things that that help your local church or your leadership in ways that like, you think oh, that's not that big of a deal. Like it's just snacks. So Yeah. But it's one less thing that they have to think through or they have to figure out. And yeah, definitely like turning to your local church and figuring out Yeah, what are ways. You guys are serving the community and how can I be a part of it? I love that. I love that. And then the last one that we had was personal spiritual growth. So this is like setting goals to focus on your own spiritual life. Such as participating in a retreat, attending conferences create a plan on how you'll make time to incorporate these activities in your life. So these are things that are outside of your normal routines and habits like your normal rhythms of like scripture reading and fasting and Sabbath thing and all of those things. Like what is something that's going to take my spiritual growth to the next level? What's gonna push me outside of my comfort zone and allow me to grow in a different way? And so we've had, over the years at our church personally, we've had spiritual formation retreats where we get a group of eight to 10. , it's a 12 adults, and we head up to a cabin up in the woods, and we are just learning and growing and being vulnerable and opening up with our struggles and just really just walking. We're walking life together. . And it pulls you outside your comfort zone and it allows you an opportunity to, one, to actually open up and to create relationships with people that maybe you didn't see on it. You don't interact with them every Sunday. Yeah. And so it's you're like, oh, wow. Okay, we have this in common, in this common, and you build those new friendships. But it's also a way of of building community and like doing life together. Cause that's, that is the Bible preach. That's God wants. That's God's goal for us. Yeah. Yes. Is to have that community where we are open and learning and growing and the focus is solely on him through all of that. I love that. That's awesome. . No, I mean I think that, yeah that, those are just come some of the ways that we both in like spiritual versus like you touched on some just like more business-minded or growth minded. Yeah so those are just some of the things that we had come up with of ways. That you can take and you can incorporate those in how, in, in your planning for absolutely new goals and new habits throughout this year. Thank you so much for joining us on the Cultivate Podcast as we discuss the importance of building strategy for our New Year's resolutions. We hope that these strategies and ideas have been helpful and that you feel empowered to start working towards your goals now, or even starting new goals right now. February's almost here. We're ready to get going. Remember, it's never too late to start cultivating positive changes in your life and building a foundation for success and your faith. We humbly encourage you to start now and not scrap at what hasn't worked in the. Until next time, keep striving towards growth and don't be afraid to seek guidance and support as you work towards your goals. God bless you guys in your journey.

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The CPG Guys speak with Venkatesh (Venky) Shankar, Professor of Marketing and Ford Chair in Marketing & E-Commerce and Director of Research at the Center for Retailing Studies, Mays Business School, Texas A&M University. His areas of specialization include Digital Business, Marketing Strategy, Innovation, New Product Management, Retailing, Services Marketing, Pricing, International Marketing, Branding, Mobile Marketing, and Artificial Intelligence. Follow Venky Shankar on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/venkyshankar/Follow Venky Shankar online at: https://mays.tamu.edu/directory/vshankar/Follow The Mays School at Texas A&M on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/school/texas-a&m-university/Follow The Mays School at Texas A&M online at: https://mays.tamu.edu/Prof. Shankar answers these questions:1) So, give us your own career brief. You're from IIT, IIM, Sloan - and a lifetime of service to academia. Tell us how the years have passed.2) What is the latest research yielding these days? Is the omnichannel ecommerce-led growth ending or plateauing or still accelerating?3) Talk to the importance of retail media and its growing importance in the industry? Why is this so ungoverned to the day with limited understanding and metrics.4) What is the meaning of the trend referred to as “return to store?” What tactics are permanent and does category management have a different role to play in an omnichannel world?5) Who are the type of brands or retailers you work with and what's a typical project? Who is the beneficiary?6) How is technology shaping marketing and retailing in consumer goods?7) Retail digital transformation requires capital on an already wafer-thin margin ecosystem unlike brands. How do you advocate for this knowing this with a healthy respect to the P&L?8) Let's ask you to do 5 predictions for retail and CPG go forward.CPG Guys Website: http://CPGguys.comFMCG Guys Website: http://FMCGguys.comCPG Scoop Website: http://CPGscoop.comNextUp Website: http://nexupisnow.org/cpgguysRetailWit Website: http://retailwit.comDISCLAIMER: The content in this podcast episode is provided for general informational purposes only. By listening to our episode, you understand that no information contained in this episode should be construed as advice from CPGGUYS, LLC or the individual author, hosts, or guests, nor is it intended to be a substitute for research on any subject matter. Reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by CPGGUYS, LLC. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent.  CPGGUYS LLC expressly disclaims any and all liability or responsibility for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, consequential or other damages arising out of any individual's use of, reference to, or inability to use this podcast or the information we presented in this podcast.