Podcast appearances and mentions of Layne Beachley

Welcome to The Savvy Dentist Podcast with Dr. Jesse Green, where we explore the intersection of dentistry, business, and personal growth to help you create a practice and a life you love.  Whether you're an ambitious practice owner, an entrepreneurial spirit, or just someone striving for personal excellence, you're in the right place. In this episode of The Savvy Dentist Podcast, Dr. Jesse Green dives into a conversation with Layne Beachley AO, whose story transcends sport and speaks directly to the heart of human resilience and authenticity.  Layne Beachley AO is a seven-time world surfing champion, Layne is not only an icon in the world of surfing, but also a powerful advocate for mental wellness. Her journey from battling self-doubt, chronic fatigue, and injuries to becoming one of the most decorated surfers of all time is nothing short of extraordinary. But Layne's achievements go far beyond the waves. Through her platform, Awake Academy, she's helping people dive deep into self-discovery, tap into mental resilience, and navigate life's challenges with purpose and clarity. Layne understands that true success isn't just about trophies and titles ... it's about knowing who you are, owning your story, and rising strong through adversity. In this episode, Dr. Jesse Green and Layne explore what it takes to cultivate a champion's mindset, how to navigate fear, overcome setbacks, and develop the kind of determination that not only builds world-class athletes but world-class humans.  Whether you're running a dental practice, leading a team, or navigating your own personal journey, there's something in Layne's story that will speak to you. So grab a coffee, find a comfy chair, and get ready for an inspiring, energising, and deeply insightful chat with the one and only Layne Beachley.  Books - penguin.com.au/authors/layne-beachley Awake Academy - awakeacademy.com.au [02:17] - Competing in the sport world as a woman in the 1990's. The  unwelcoming, hostile, misogynistic and sexist environment helped shape Layne's competitiveness. [08:21] - How to find your inner strength. [10:39] - Going from the hunter … to the hunted. The transition we must all make as our businesses succeed. [18:46] - The magic happens when we don't focus on the outcome … [24:44] - One's life is too short for di**heads. [28:56] - Don't rob yourself of joy. It WILL affect your business. [32:43] - The Awake Academy - check it out! [33:56] - How your success can cast a shadow.

Layne Beachley is widely regarded as one of the greatest female surfers of all time, with seven World Championship titles to her name. Beyond her surfing career, she is a passionate advocate for personal growth, women's empowerment, and making a difference through motivational speaking. Off the surfboard, Layne shares her life with rock star husband Kirk Pengilly of INXS In this episode, Jess and Layne dive deep into how she was able to shift from fear to love as she struggled with her sense of self-worth when competing. Layne also opens up about the impact of being adopted on her self-esteem and her tumultuous relationship with her biological mother, and offers an intimate look into her marriage with rock star Kirk Pengilly, sharing their ‘shocker’ of a first date, and what makes their relationship thrive. Content Warning: This episode is created for adult audiences only, and touches on Sexual Assault. If this brings up anything for you, help is available by calling 13 11 14 or 1800respect for a safe place to talk day and night. Know someone who'd enjoy this episode? Why not share it with them by tapping the 3 dots above ⬆︎ and passing it on LINKS: Buy Laynes book 'Awake Academy' here If you loved this chat with Layne we think you'll love Jess's conversation with Michelle Bridges here If you love what we do, why not follow the show, and rate and review on Apple or Spotify CREDITS:Host: Jessica RoweGuest: Layne Beachley Executive Producer: Nic McClureAudio Producer: Nat Marshall Digital Content Producer: Zoe Panaretos The Jess Rowe Big Talk Show acknowledges the Gadigal people, Traditional Custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, and pay our respects to their Elders past, present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders peoples here today.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week Nicola and Di chat with the extraordinary Layne Beachley AO. Layne is widely regarded as the most successful female surfer in history. She is the only surfer, male or female, to claim six consecutive world titles, and she then went on to win a 7th world title in 2006 before retiring from the World Tour in 2008. Since retiring, Layne is a highly sought after speaker and is the co-author of a new book Awake Academy: Know yourself, grow yourself to live a happier, more purposeful life, which she wrote with Tess Brouwer. Layne and Tess’ book, as well as their online courses and events, give people life-changing tips and tools to turn ideas and intentions into actions, so they can become the champions of their life. This is a really powerful episode where Layne opens up about her personal challenges and the adversity she’s had to overcome since the very early days. Layne shares all about her childhood, being adopted at birth, and then losing her mum at the age of 7 when a cosmetic surgery went horribly wrong. A year after her mum died, the local kids were starting to ask questions about why Layne looked so different from the rest of her family, and so her dad sat her down at 8 and told her she was adopted. Layne talks about how learning that she was adopted shattered her sense of self, and in that moment, at the age of 8, she decided that the only way she would be loveable was if she became a world champion at something. This was the fuel that propelled Layne to become the most successful surfer in history, but Layne talks about the moment a friend opened her eyes to what was really driving her, and how whilst she was externally successful, it was an unhealthy and unsustainable success that was driven by an inner fear and lack of worthiness. We talk about the inner work that Layne had to do to overcome her fears and recognise her innate worth, and the practices and tools she now lives by to be healthy, happy, purposeful and have sustainable success. This is such a powerful and deep chat, but it is also FULL of laughter and light. Layne is an absolute joy and this conversation had the perfect mix of everything - you get to ride the waves of Layne’s life with us. We hope you enjoy it! This episode is proudly sponsored by Eir Women. Use code OTBF20 at checkout to receive a 20% discount on any purchase. Follow Layne on IG here Follow Awake Academy on IG here Buy Layne’s book Awake Academy: Know yourself, grow yourself and live a happier, more purposeful life here Find out more about Layne’s online courses here Follow Nicola and Di on IG here Buy your Eir Women products here. Use code OTBF20 at checkout for a 20% discountSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"You Can't Stop the Waves, But You Can Learn How to Surf" I've used this Jon Kabat-Zinn quote countless times in my presentations, conversations and keynotes with leaders, with an image of Layne Beachley, seven-time world champion surfer.It is a wonderful quote and a beautiful image of an athlete in their element.I understand enough about Layne's story to know that both the element itself, the surf, and life when she isn't in her element, have been deeply challenging.Yes, her courage in competition was legendary. But it's a different kind of bravery she demonstrates now - the willingness to cross that bridge of vulnerability. The truth is clear: there's no authenticity without vulnerability, and no vulnerability without courage.There are people you meet, and you feel good about them. Then there are people you meet, and you feel good about you. Layne Beachley is the latter. From the moment we sat down to talk, she created a space where sharing her story whilst showing a deep interest in mine and those in the room, felt natural, even necessary. It's a rare gift - making others feel good about themselves through genuine care rather than convenience.The Kabat-Zinn quote speaks to something fundamental about leadership - that we can't control every challenge that comes our way, but we can develop the wisdom to navigate them. While the metaphor has always resonated, Layne Beachley's story brings its meaning to life."I'm a helper, not a healer," she says - a distinction that crystallises something profound about leadership."No one sees the shit you go through," she shares, "they just see the outcome and think it was easy." Behind those seven world titles lies a story that speaks to anyone who's found themselves in the arena, facing challenges beyond their perceived capacity to cope.Her journey illuminates the path - winning her first world title from a place of love, then five driven by fear, before returning to love for her seventh and final championship. After her sixth consecutive title, her body said 'enough' through adrenal fatigue and exhaustion. Yet still she pushed: "Let's do this again, let's keep going." It took a neck injury and MRI results to force a reckoning.Then comes the deeper truth: "I had a massive fear of rejection from being told I was adopted as an eight-year-old. The story I'd wrapped around that was that I'm worthless, I'm undeserving of love, and I must win to be worthy of love."These days, Layne talks about her "dream team" - that small group of trusted people who help her stay aligned with her truth. "If I'm encountering challenge from either of them, then I know there's something that needs to change," she explains. "But if it comes from someone I've never known and will never speak to, they're entitled to their opinion, and I'm entitled to ignore it."Her approach to sharing wisdom is illuminating: "I aim to serve. I aim to shine a light. I don't aim to tell or preach." She creates that same space of care she offers others - where authentic connection becomes possible because someone has been brave enough to go first.The metaphor of surfing carries a truth for all leaders: you can't stop the waves - those challenges and moments of doubt will come. But you can learn how to surf them.Layne Beachley shows that our greatest impact often comes not from having all the answers, but from sharing our struggles with generosity and hope. In choosing to be a helper rather than a healer, she demonstrates what authentic leadership looks like - creating space for others to find their own path while continuing to learn and grow ourselves.This is what a relationship of care looks like. It's what leadership at its best can be.

This is one special interview. What better way to finish the 5th season of my show than getting to sit down face to face with a dear friend in my home, on my couch. I knew it would be a real & raw conversation - full of such wise learnings and it did not disappoint.My guest today is one of the most beautiful humans you could ever meet. The divine Tess Brouwer is a practitioner of positive psychology and wellbeing and the CEO of Awake Academy, a business she runs with another formidable human, Layne Beachley. As a former corporate athlete and now a mum, stepmum and mental wellness mentor, Tess complements Layne's expertise with her deep understanding of corporate dynamics and mental wellbeing. They are making such an impact on the groups of people they are working within their business, they decided to write a book in order to reach more and I wanted to dive in deeper with her. As you're about to hear, Tess has an incredible story that involved rebuilding her life from a life-changing spinal cord and brain injury. Combining that with her extensive experience as a senior executive, Tess specialises in fostering resilience, mental fitness and effective communication within corporate and home environments.Her story is very unique and it's quite extraordinary she's not only here with us today, but thriving in the way she is and positively impacting so many others - it's a privilege to call her my friend. Buy their new book here: Awake AcademyFor more information about Tess, check out these places;-Website: Awake AcademyInstagram: Tess BrouwerLinkedin: Tess BrouwerHead to michellejcox.com for more information about the ONE QUESTION podcast, your host or today's guestsConnect with Michelle on Linkedin here:- @MichelleJCoxConnect with Michelle on Instagram here:- @michellejcoxConnect with Michelle on Facebook here - @michellejcoxAND, if you have a burning topic you'd love people to talk more about, or know someone who'd be great to come on the One Question podcast, please get in touch;- hello@michellejcox.com

Today we welcome into the studio 7 time world champion surfer, and all-round legend, Layne Beachley. Layne, who had the self-described ‘compassion of a tiger shark' during her competition days, has lived an incredible journey to learn how to love others, and more importantly, herself. Upon discovering that she was adopted, Layne internalised a fear of rejection and intense need to prove herself. What's one way to prove yourself, you may ask? Becoming a world champion, no matter the cost. In this episode, Hugh, Ryan and Josh talk to Layne about the narrative that she created for herself, and how this affected her self-worth, body image and relationships. There is SO MUCH good stuff in this episode, and we can't wait for you to enjoy your day at the Beach(ley). Layne, you are an absolute legend. Thank you for your generous vulnerability. If you would like to watch this full episode on YouTube, follow this link - https://bit.ly/3VsnIrd ALSO if you would like to buy tickets to Josh's gig (!!!!!) click here - https://bit.ly/3ZO6ojf

We reflect on the final week of the Rush Hour for 2024 - as James Brayshaw phones in, Topics Lehmo asks what you cannot do, Billy mistakes two Olympic legends for one another, Layne Beachley joins the show to talk about her new book, Joey Montagna pops in for a footy chat, and we look back at the best moments of the year, and Billy's favourite jokes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After a wild-weather day in Melbourne, Billy kicks the show off with the All Sports Report, as a Saints and Crows champion calls it a day. James Brayshaw does us the courtesy of calling into his own show to chat about the First Test, and what he's been up to while Billy and Lehmo have been holding the fort. Luke and Dave battle it out in the Hump Day Quiz, then Billy takes us through a mistake he made with an Olympian. Lehmo's List features the greatest sporting injuries sustained through celebrations, then we catch up with our Team Brownless Golfing Winners, who spent today at the Australian Open Pro-Am. Seven-Time World Surfing Champion Layne Beachley calls in to talk about her new book, and gives us a guided our of her Trophy Room.  Finally, Billy has a joke about Little Johnny.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Rules Don't Apply, a series that redefines what's possible by exploring the unconventional wisdom of pioneers, provocateurs, and disruptors. In this special episode, filmed live at SXSW Sydney, we sit down with seven-time world champion surfer and environmental advocate, Layne Beachley. Layne shares her extraordinary journey, from breaking barriers in a male-dominated sport to championing mental wellbeing and environmental sustainability. Through candid insights, Layne opens up about the highs and lows of her career, offering lessons on resilience, empowerment, and navigating a world where the old rules no longer apply. If you're looking for inspiration to challenge the status quo, this conversation is a must-watch. Tune in to learn how Layne Beachley mastered the art of breaking records—and breaking rules. Find out more about The Growth Distillery: https://www.thegrowthdistillery.com.au/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thegrowthdistilleryau LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-growth-distillery YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrowthdistillery

WSL commentator and Lineup co-host Mitchell Salazar returns once again to wrap up an incredible event to crown this year's World Champions from the Lexus Finals. They discuss their winners and losers and John John Florence officially solidifying his dynasty by securing his third World Title and entering the realm of renowned surfers with at least 3x World Titles in Tom Curren, Gabe Medina, Mick Fanning, Andy Irons, Mark Richards, Kelly Slater, Layne Beachley, Carissa Moore, Stephanie Gilmore, and Layne Beachley, Frieda Zamba, Margo Oberg, and Wendy Botha. They also revel at Caity's incredible performance and her securing her first World Title, officially becoming the youngest World Champion in WSL history. They talk about Italo's rampaging run through the bracket, his dominating style of surfing, and how it played in his scoring. Things get heated and contentious after Dave and Mitch bring on a couple producers at the WSL to play a Vissla CT Shaper Rankings Fantasy Snake Draft game in the second segment. Finally, Dave and Mitch close the pod by answering your listener questions. Follow Mitch here. Follow Miguel here. Follow Dylan here. Get caught up from the results of the Lexus WSL Finals. Stay tuned to the EDP Ericeira Pro Presented By Estrella Galicia, Sep 29th - Oct 6. Stay up to date with the rankings. Join the conversation by following The Lineup podcast with Dave Prodan on Instagram and subscribing to our YouTube channel. Get the latest WSL rankings, news, and event info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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“I am often overwhelmed by how much I don't know.”Dr Lauren BurnsMaking room for the person you might be.My conversation with the leaders I coach starts with a simple question, one that relates to ambition:“What is it that you seek to do?”Having got a sense, often unclear and vague, which is perfectly fine and probably expected, as it is their uncertainty that most likely led to this conversation, I will then follow up with:“Who is it that you seek to be?”We are making room for who the person might be. I thank Pippa Grange and her book ‘Fear Less' for this powerful idea.This thought came to mind when speaking to Dr Lauren Burns for Episode 004 of ‘In the Arena'. She epitomises both the idea and its reality.Continuing our Olympics theme, Lauren was thrown into the public consciousness and spotlight when she won a gold medal in the Sydney 2000 Olympics in the sport of Taekwondo. As remarkable as her achievement was, the richness of her story is, in part, how unexpected it was given her upbringing as someone with no competitive sporting influences. As the daughter of a King of Pop father and ballerina mother, Lauren's introduction to martial arts came via her brother's obsession with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and from this unlikely place, greatness followed.The many layers of her story further unfurl as she sought to make sense and meaning from the achievements of the great athletes with whom she shared her journey to excellence. Australian sporting legends such as Cathy Freeman, Ian Thorpe, and Layne Beachley. Her work and insights are now a PhD and the wisdom is powerful and accessible to all of us as we become both coaches and players of our own lives.Leadership is not only something to do; it is something to be, but you must do the doing to be the being.As a leader and coach, Lauren believes there is never one ‘right' answer and no perfect outcome. Life will always feel uncertain, which is most likely the most important skill you will learn.So pleased to welcome Dr Lauren Burns as our guest, ‘In the Arena'.Enjoy!Play on!Cam

Today we are joined by Matt Lawson of Surfing NSW and Surfers Rescue 24/7. Surfers Rescue 24/7 is a Surfing NSW aquatic safety program initiative aimed at saving lives in and out of the water through education, training and preparedness. Surfers, who are in the water year-round from dawn to dusk are often the first responders in aquatic emergencies. With less than 5% of our beaches patrolled, we know that surfers play a vital role in saving lives and are often the unsung heroes in countless lifesaving rescues. The Surfers Rescue 24/7 board rescue course is a two-part coarse that teaches surfers and ocean users CPR and specialised rescue techniques using their surf craft to save lives in emergencies. The rescue techniques have been developed and endorsed by NSW Professional Lifeguards, The Australian Lifeguard Service and some of the world's most elite surfers, including World Champions Mick Fanning, Layne Beachley, Mark Richards and Kelly Slater and is supported by the NSW State Government.

Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons. Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye. Guy Kawasaki on the Surf Mastery Podcast

In this episode, Ant looks back on three powerful conversations with three very talented surfers. Each have had their own challenges and triumphs, and reflected on these in their previous Head Game interviews.  Today, you'll hear from Owen Wright, Layne Beachley and Blakey Johnston on the power of the waves, and how the ocean got them through.  LINKS Listen to Owen Wright's interview in full here Listen to Layne Beachley's interview in full here Listen to Blakey Johnston's interview in full here Follow Ant on Instagram, X, and Facebook Learn more about Ant on his website antmiddleton.com Follow Nova Podcasts on Instagram for videos from the podcast and behind the scenes content – @novapodcastsofficial. CREDITSHost: Ant MiddletonEditor: Adrian WaltonExecutive Producer: Anna Henvest Managing Producer: Elle Beattie Nova Entertainment acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation. We pay our respect to Elders past and present. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons.Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye.

In a captivating conversation with Sadhguru, seven-time World Champion in Surfing, Layne Beachley explored a variety of compelling topics, from navigating inner turmoil to the transformative power of Inner Engineering, from mental health to the impact of technology on children, from joy to why people are drawn to Sadhguru, and much more. Conscious Planet: https://www.consciousplanet.org Sadhguru App (Download): https://onelink.to/sadhguru__app Official Sadhguru Website: https://isha.sadhguru.org Sadhguru Exclusive: https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/sadhguru-exclusive Inner Engineering Link: isha.co/ieo-podcast Yogi, mystic and visionary, Sadhguru is a spiritual master with a difference. An arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism, his life and work serves as a reminder that yoga is a contemporary science, vitally relevant to our times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a captivating conversation with Sadhguru, seven-time World Champion in Surfing, Layne Beachley explored a variety of compelling topics, from navigating inner turmoil to the transformative power of Inner Engineering, from mental health to the impact of technology on children, from joy to why people are drawn to Sadhguru, and much more. Conscious Planet: https://www.consciousplanet.org Sadhguru App (Download): https://onelink.to/sadhguru__app Official Sadhguru Website: https://isha.sadhguru.org Sadhguru Exclusive: https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/sadhguru-exclusive Inner Engineering Link: isha.co/ieo-podcast Yogi, mystic and visionary, Sadhguru is a spiritual master with a difference. An arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism, his life and work serves as a reminder that yoga is a contemporary science, vitally relevant to our times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All that Glitters is back with some of our favourite conversations from the archives! Layne Beachley learnt a lot from winning 8 world surfing titles and breaking new ground for female athletes, but some of the biggest learnings happened when she finally became still and listened. Layne has sat through pain and discomfort and my goodness, has she grown through that experience.  I absolutely loved this chat with Layne. So many moments when I reflected on what she said and had a wave of recognition wash over me.  You can follow Layne @laynebeachley, and find out more about her at www.laynebeachley.com and the Awake Academy at www.awakeacademy.com.au Libby x Hosts: Libby Trickett Instagram: @beingsportish Website: www.sportish.com.au  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Triple M Nights, Chris Isaak sits down with Gleeso to delve into his eagerly anticipated Australian tour this April, sharing his excitement about returning to the Australian coastline. The renowned American musician, celebrated for his unique blend of rockabilly, blues, and surf rock, opens up about his enduring friendship with Layne Beachley and their plans to catch some waves together whilst he's in the country. Isaak, with a career spanning over three decades, reveals the secret sauce to his longevity in the music industry - a relentless passion for singing that has not waned since he was 13. The episode takes a nostalgic turn as Isaak recounts a humorous encounter with Gleeso on 'The Footy Show' in 1995, alongside a memorable anecdote about ejecting Sting from his dressing room. Listeners will get an intimate look into Isaak's musical influences, nurtured by his parents' eclectic record collection, and how everything except the jazz records was played to its last groove. From his breakthrough album "Silvertone" to the iconic "Wicked Game" and beyond, Isaak discusses his musical journey, his Australian connection, and his unyielding love for authentic, soul-stirring music.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to another exciting episode of Energetic Radio! In this snippet episode, host Dale Sidebottom chats with the incredible Layne Beachley, a 7-time world surfing champion and pioneer for women in sports. They delve into Lane's journey to success, discussing how she overcame criticism, backlash, and the challenges of a male-dominated sport. Layne shares valuable insights about clarity of vision, building a dream team, and taking action to achieve success. She reflects on her experiences and lessons, offering practical advice applicable to any profession. Join us for an inspiring conversation with Layne Beachley on episode #325 of Energetic Radio!

"Some of us choose to become victims, while others choose to become victors". Layne Beachley's path to success hasn't been an easy one. The seven-time world surfing legend embraced setbacks and used them to propel her growth - including adoption, mental illness and life-threatening injuries.  Layne opens up to Ant about her life lessons, loss and inspirational legacy. LINKS Find out more about The Awake Academy at awakeacademy.com.au Follow Layne Beachley on Instagram @laynebeachley Follow Ant on Instagram, X, and Facebook Learn more about Ant on his website antmiddleton.com Follow Nova Podcasts on Instagram for videos from the podcast and behind the scenes content – @novapodcastsofficial. CREDITSHost: Ant MiddletonEditor: Adrian WaltonExecutive Producers: Anna Henvest & Edwina StottManaging Producer: Elle BeattieSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's episode of the Greatest Stories Never Told will be read by the award winning surf journalist and author of In Deep: The Collected Surf Writings, Matt George.  Purchase the book here...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Our guest today knows a lot about resilience, in fact 7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.”  David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, calls her a “badass.” Whatever you call her, Stacey COPAS is resilient. Left a quadriplegic and needing a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, she did not let this tragic accident slow her down. She has used her life experience to help organisations (such as Viacom, GM Holden and Flight Centre)  & their people be more engaged, mentally resilient and productive.   Stacey Copas shared in this episode: How To Be Resilient How she got her life back on track after becoming a quadriplegic at aged 12 How change is getting faster. How building resilience is about building capacity, so when something challenging happens you can take it on, and grow and become stronger. Don't ‘Go through' challenges, ‘Grow Through' challenges. Rituals you can put in place to build resilience and capacity to deal with future challenges. Gratitude, don't make the practise a chore and obligation - use mantras and say “thank you for the opportunity to be who I am, where I am, with what I have at this moment in time” How to use mantras when you are in an un-resourceful state during the day Why you should journal every day using this sentence:  “Today I had the opportunity to…” because ithelps you find the highlights of the day. Why it is important how we describe situations - how we describe it is how we experience it.  Change the way you describe it and feel differently. Stacey's Life-changing question:  “How does it get any better than this?” What if? (positive not negative) “When nothing is certain, anything is possible”  Uncertainty is exciting, see it as possibility and opportunity. And much more…    Resources Mentioned In The Show: Her website: StaceyCopas.com Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceycopas/?originalSubdomain=au Her book How To Be Resilient: https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Resilient-Blueprint-Getting/dp/0646940503#:~:text=Book%20overview&text=The%20principles%20outlined%20in%20this,the%20rest%20of%20her%20life. Dain Heer, Being You Changing The World: https://www.amazon.com/Being-You-Changing-World-Hardcover/dp/1634930908 If you would like more insights on profit maximization for your business, visit www.ProfitHive.com.au  

Presented by Quiksilver Lipped Foreign Correspondent is an all new series featuring solo Harry Mann in Bali. Bali has long been an epicentre of global surfing and a stop on all travelling surfers hit lists.  With this in mind Harry will look to catch up with an eclectic mix of surfers and characters in the new Lipped Indo headquarters. First cab off the rank is Matt George.  Surfer, writer, Hollywood star - curious human.  Matt chats about coming to Bali, stories from his new book In Deep, why womens surfing is the cats pyjamas, what's wrong and right with surfing and gives Jimmy some advice on running comps in wave pools. Plenty of Dragon Luma Lens highlights and look for a bonus reading of his Layne Beachley story later this week. It's fuelled by Heaps Normal (and some Island Brewing beers) and supported by Surfboard Empire.

On Episode 357 of The No Limits Selling Podcast, we have Stacey Copas. 7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.” David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, called her a “badass.” Whatever you say, she is resilient. She was left quadriplegic and needed a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, but did not let this tragic accident slow her down. Instead, she used her life experience and personal philosophies to work with organizations that want their people to be more engaged, mentally resilient, and productive so that they can grow through uncertainty and change. She's the author of “How to be Resilient” and I've been featured by Financial Review, ABC radio, and The Australian, and hired by global organizations such as Viacom, GM Holden, and Flight Centre for her insights on resilience in the workplace. Find Stacey Copas: LinkedIn, Website [EDITOR'S NOTE: This podcast is sponsored by No Limits Selling. It is a fun, fast-paced podcast that delivers hard-fought business advice that you can implement today to improve your sales and performance] Interested In Our Real Estate Coaching Services? Explore Our Website: Link Feeling Not Well Today? You Can Use Our Mindset Boosters App To amp Up Your Mood: Link Find us on Social Media:   LinkedIn | Facebook community | Instagram Like what do you listen to? Subscribe to our podcast! Ready to become fearless? We can help you become fearless in 60 days so you accomplish more in your career Schedule A 15 min Call with Umar

In 2021 I was joined by Layne Beachley, the most successful female surfer in history. In this episode of Better Make it Quick, Layne and I talk about how she used exposure therapy whilst surfing the big ways to get rid of her fear, her marriage to INXS band member Kirk Pengilly and the illusion that follows females in competitive surfing. Got suggestions for Better Than Yesterday? I'd love you to get involved in our listener survey! https://podcastsurvey.typeform.com/osher Stay up to date by joining the mailing list here: Osher Günsberg - Better Than Yesterday Podcast | Linktree Anything else? Come visit us on discord. Join the oshergünsberg Discord Server! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Seven-time World Champion surfer Layne Beachley speaks to Quentin Hull about the honour of being elevated to Legend status in the Sports Australia Hall of Fame.

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7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.” David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, calls her a “badass.” Whatever you call her, Stacey Copas is resilient.Left a quadriplegic and needing a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, she did not let this tragic accident slow her down. Instead, she used her life experience and personal philosophies to work with organizations that want their people to be more engaged, mentally resilient, and productive so that they can grow through uncertainty and change. She is the author of “How to be Resilient” and has been featured by Financial Review, ABC radio, and The Australian, and hired by global organizations such as Viacom, GM Holden, and Flight Centre for her insights on resilience in the workplace. In this episode, Ivonne & Stacy talked about: Distractions detouring people from purposeThe increase in fear since CovidThe Younger generation unable to cope with mini disappointmentsThe constant need for praiseThe Epidemic of depression and anxietyThe Real pandemic of mental issuesThe Inability people are having for discomfortClaiming the power of who you are, of your resilienceAnd so much more...If you want to learn more about what Stacey is doing, follow her on social media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/staceycopas/Website: https://resilience.company.site/Watch on YouTube:https://youtu.be/UwZFPS4gils Podcast produced by Brilliant Futures Productions.Sponsored by Delaflor Teachings Int.

This week Di & Nicola chat with Australian music and entertainment royalty, Lizzi Morrissey. Lizzi started out as a dancer, a former Miss Australia contestant, and in the late 70s she began working in the music industry alongside artists such as Paul Kelly, Split Enz, Jimmy Barnes and Joe Cocker. Lizzi then trained as an actor, performing in theatre and musicals, but her career took a turn when she met her husband, talent agent Mark Morrissey and joined his business. Lizzi went on to nurture the careers of some of the biggest Australian stars. Lizzi also has a gift for PR and organising events and she now runs her own creative management and public relations company, MissusM Creative. Lizzi is a mum to 2 beautiful daughters and a wonderful friend to many, including Di and Nicola.  In this chat, Lizzi talks about what it was like working in the music industry in the 70s and 80s and how she started organising gigs all the way back in her high school days. We hear the story of a fundraising event that Lizzi organised as a teen that went wrong, but how her work ethic and ambition ultimately turned it around and led to her first real job offer.  Lizzi's career journey is incredibly interesting and inspiring, and we hear all about the twists and turns along the way, the gift Lizzi had for bringing a sense of family and community to Morrissey Management and how she's bringing her unique PR with a heart to her new business, MissusM Creative. Lizzi also does a lot for charity and she shares what it was like doing a 21 day walk along the Great Wall of China, raising money for Olivia Newton-John's Wellness & Research Centre with the likes of Cliff Richard, Joan Rivers, Layne Beachley, Kirk Pengilly, Ian Thorpe, James Reyne, Scott Wolf and of course, Olivia herself.  This special episode is dedicated to Lizzi's dad - the extraordinary Charlie Dayney.  Follow Lizzi: @lizzidayneymorrissey Follow MissusM Creative: @missusmcreativeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aloha Everyone, welcome to a new episode of The Temple of Surf - The Podcast. We will give you full access to the best surfers, skaters, shapers, surfboards collectors, shop owners in the world! Discover with me their stories, their greatest successes, amazing behind the scenes and much more! Today with us, from Australia, seven times world champion Layne Beachley. We discussed with her about surf, surfboards, being a world champion and much more!

Join Timbo's Membership and take control of your marketing In her surfing career, Layne Beachley achieved this seven times, six of them consecutively, making her the best surfer the world has ever seen…. male or female. In this up close and personal one hour chat, Layne opens up about the one big shift she made in order to achieve her dreams. And fortunately, it's something we can all apply to both our own business and personal lives. Plus she shares a mountain of other amazing high-performance insights along the way. It's a fully-sick episode 634 of The (13 year-old, award-winning) Small Business Big Marketing podcast. A little more about World Surfing Champion Layne Beachley... Today you and I meet world #1 surfer Layne Beachley who's regarded as the most successful surfer ever! Layne's dedication to success saw her as the only surfer, male or female, to claim six consecutive world titles. She went on to win a seventh before retiring in 2008. In 2015 she was awarded the Order of Australia, the highest recognition one can receive for distinguished service of the highest degree to Australia or humanity at large. Amongst other endeavours, Layne is now Chairperson of Surfing Australia, and a motivational, keynote speaker sharing her stories about achieving success, overcoming challenges and maintaining a winning mindset. She's also the founder of the Awake Academy (use discount code Timbo for $100 off) which she describes as “a centre for self-empowerment, helping people detach from fear, take control and live a life they love.” Now I can hear some of you saying "But Timbo, this is a business and marketing podcast, what's with all the woo woo stuff?!” Well, you see, in my observations (and me included), there's too many business owners out there who find themselves losing motivation and direction in growing their beautiful businesses. This may show up as depression, anger, agitation, a lack of focus or in some other destructive way.  But the reality is, before we're business owners, we're all human beings, and that, my friend, is a much tougher gig than running any business! BTW, if that's you right now, please take care, and don't be ashamed to chat with someone at your local crisis support service. For us Aussies, that Lifeline on 13 11 14. I started off by suggesting to Layne that there seems to be a consistent theme developing on this show, with past guest and another world #1 surfer Shaun Thomson going off and creating a personal development business. What is it about surfing that encourages this? Businesses that make this podcast possible - Please support them DELL Technologies - Small business IT solutions Book Tim Reid to speak or emcee at your next business event   As always, thanks for your support. May your marketing be the best marketing. Timbo Reid P.S. Tell me what marketing is working for you - 0480 015 150.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

To show our support for International Womens Day we've put together this special compilation episode. In it, five amazing women: Layne Beachley, Anya Hindmarch, Kate McClymont, Julia Gillard and Mary Chiarella, each tell a story prompted by the Five of My Life Challenge. Entertaining and enlightening, these leaders who have dominated across the varied worlds of sport, fashion, journalism, politics and nursing serve as an inspiration to us all. Listen to the full episodes from these amazing women by hitting the above links or searching in the Five of My Life feed below. Follow The Five of My Life on Instagram Contact Nigel hereSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You've seen Layne Beachley on podiums and breaking world records, but Layne wasn't born a champion and her success was not given to her on a silver platter. Her story of resilience and perseverance is nothing short of inspiring, and will motivate you to push yourself outside of your comfort zone. Then, Sam dissects the popular proverb "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", and finds out it's origin and if there's any truth behind it. Find out more about Layne Beachley and her Awake Academy at awakeacademy.com.au/. Have a question for Sam? Guest suggestion? Or some positive news to share? Submit it to The Wood Life Inbox HERE.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Are you ready to feel less Crappy and more Happy? Join Psychologist and Mindfulness expert Cass Dunn for conversations that explore the psychological, physical and emotional ways to help overcome your own personal barriers and create a more meaningful life for yourself and those around you Health, happiness, relationships, money, parenting - there is something for everyone! Cass chats with interesting, inspiring guests including Turia Pitt, Clare Bowditch, Rob Mills, Nicole LePera, Ali Daddo & Layne Beachley who all have something to share with YOU that will help you feel less crappy and more happy. Search 'Crappy to Happy', or download the LiSTNR app and listen here for freeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"If I had my time again, there's no way I'd go through with that," Australian surfing icon Layne Beachley tells me, referring to her biggest regret, which she also describes as a valuable lesson. "I had to change the relationship with myself and when I did that, things naturally fell into place." It was one of many moments that struck me (in between all of the surfing advice I was trying to milk!)... You'll also hear how Layne learned to stop blaming everyone else for her mistakes and why she equates motherhood with loss and how that spurred her to become a world champion. Discover more about wellness experiences and Layne's new show, Wellness Traveller TV: https://www.welltraveller.com.au/  Follow Turia on Tik Tok: @turia_pitt or Instagram @Turiapitt Want more chats with Turia? She writes a weekly newsletter, get it here: turiapitt.com/letter-gangSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wellness seekers listen in! Seven times world surfing champ and Well Traveller host Layne Beachley chats about her new TV show and tried and tested tips for better wellbeing. WANT MORE FROM LAYNE? Find out more about Well Traveller here or on Instagram @well_traveller. For Layne, see her Awake Academy here or @laynebeachley. WANT MORE BODY + SOUL?  Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness. On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley.  On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV here. In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Women's surfing officially has a new GOAT. Tied with Layne Beachley for seven world titles since 2018, Stephanie Gilmore solidified her position in the history books at this year's WSL Finals, breaking that record and finally winning her long-desired eighth.This week Shan and Rach celebrate Steph's iconic win, talking through the performances, as well as the pros and cons of the new Finals format, and what it was like to be on the sand to watch it all go down. They also head to Rising Tides to talk to some future world champions in the making.InfoMusic: Dry Grass, courtesy of Body TypeContact: info@womensurf.netInstagram: @the.double.upWeb: www.womensurf.net

There are 14 CT World Titles between Swellian Queens Layne Beachley and Steph Gilmore, and Layne believes Steph has the runs on the board, the God-given talent and the PURE UNHINGED GRIT to add another at the upcoming Rippy Woz finals at Trestles. Know this Swellians, when the six-in-a-row Manly Beach-based Immortal offers sage advice, WE LEAN FORWARD! Marinate in the experience, wisdom and absolute class of a true Australian surfing great. Ya just might learn something.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello wonderful Lifers,On today's episode Britt has gone MIA but we have the wonderful Producer Keeshia out from behind the laptop and joining Laura on today's show and boy oh boy do we have some big, long, unsolicited dick pics to discuss. We cover the 'shlong' and short of it some might say and unpack Tommy Lee's dick pic that broke Instagram, and had everyone in up roar - or did it?We are then joined by the wonderful Layne Beachley!Layne is a 7 times world champion surfer, and the only surfer to have ever gained 6 titles in a row. She is tenacious, dedicated and did whatever it took to win.In this chat, we speak about seeking validation and the avenues of which we all land on the same question "am I good enough?"Layne was conceived through assault and adopted into her family and it led to her reaching for huge successes to prove that she was worthy and that she belonged. Layne has been with INXS' Kirk Pengilly for nearly 20 years and we talk about how initial chemistry and fireworks aren't absolutely necessary to form a great, passion filled relationship. If you'd like to check out Layne's awake academy, you can here: https://awakeacademy.com.au/ANNNNNND if you'd like to grab yourself a ticket to the live show you can tap this little bad boy and snag yourself one of the last seats: https://www.lifeuncutpodcast.com.au/Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello wonderful Lifers, On today's episode Britt has gone MIA but we have the wonderful Producer Keeshia out from behind the laptop and joining Laura on today's show and boy oh boy do we have some big, long, unsolicited dick pics to discuss. We cover the 'shlong' and short of it some might say and unpack Tommy Lee's dick pic that broke Instagram, and had everyone in up roar - or did it? We are then joined by the wonderful Layne Beachley! Layne is a 7 times world champion surfer, and the only surfer to have ever gained 6 titles in a row. She is tenacious, dedicated and did whatever it took to win. In this chat, we speak about seeking validation and the avenues of which we all land on the same question "am I good enough?" Layne was conceived through assault and adopted into her family and it led to her reaching for huge successes to prove that she was worthy and that she belonged.  Layne has been with INXS' Kirk Pengilly for nearly 20 years and we talk about how initial chemistry and fireworks aren't absolutely necessary to form a great, passion filled relationship.  If you'd like to check out Layne's awake academy, you can here: https://awakeacademy.com.au/ ANNNNNND if you'd like to grab yourself a ticket to the live show you can tap this little bad boy and snag yourself one of the last seats: https://www.lifeuncutpodcast.com.au/ Tell your mum, tell your dad, tell your dog, tell your friend and share the love because WE LOVE LOVE! xx