Podcast appearances and mentions of Layne Beachley

Layne Beachley AO has done it all in the sporting arena – she's a seven-time world surfing champion, after all.  And through her incredible journey, she's learned powerful mindset strategies that could help you today.  And it's not what you might think.  Drawing on her experience as a sporting great, Layne connects elite sport principles to the realities of accounting and finance, offering practical ways to manage stress, sustain energy and make clearer decisions in demanding roles.  And you can apply these habits to your own work life in finance and accounting to improve your performance, focus and resilience – in other words, to help bring out the best version of you.  In this special episode, Layne also shares how her 7% rule helps professionals reset, refocus and perform under pressure.  Other key learnings include:  Practical ways to reset your nervous system during the workday  The importance of mental health and how to switch off  What success actually looks like  How to deal with pressure when you're busy at home and at work  How leaders can embed resilience into team culture  The one thing accountants and CFOs can take away from this episode  Layne brings a unique perspective from elite sport, translating high-performance habits into practical actions you can apply immediately.  Tune in now for elite insights into how you can make improvements to your daily work habits.  Host: Tahn Sharpe, Editor, CPA Australia  Guests: Layne Beachley, a seven-time world surfing champion, widely regarded as one of the greatest surfers of all time. She's also a high-performance mindset coach, helping professionals translate elite sporting principles into everyday success.  Layne Beachley will be speaking at CPA Week 2026 in June.  And head online for more about Layne Beachley's Awake Academy.  Loving this episode?  Listen to more INTHEBLACK episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube. Go to our podcast page CPA Australia - YouTube  And of course, click subscribe to the channel today.  We deliver regular content that will help boost your career skills and capabilities.  Additionally, INTHEBLACK online has stories on everyday ethics issues.  CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance and accounting https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts  INTHEBLACK https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/intheblack  INTHEBLACK Out Loud https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/intheblack-outloud  Excel Tips Excel Tips | CPA Australia  With Interest https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/with-interest  Search for them in your favourite podcast platform. Email the podcast team at podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au 

In this Mini Motivation episode, host Amelia Phillips welcomes Layne Beachley back to talk about challenging childhoods – and how they shape you. Adopted as a baby, and very sadly losing her adoptive mother to a brain haemorrhage at age seven, Layne has overcome significant challenges to achieve her dreams and live her purpose, and she believes you can too. Whether you have your own scars or are the mother of a child going through a tough time, we want this discussion to be a message of hope. About the guest: A former seven-time world surfing champion, Layne Beachley is a sought-after speaker, fearless advocate for mental wellbeing, gender equality and environmental action, and a proud ambassador for organisations including Black Dog Institute, Gotcha4Life, and WWF Australia. As the founder of Awake Academy, she is on a mission to help a million people thrive and live happier, more purposeful lives through online programs, workshops and her new book co-written with Tess Brouwer, Awake Academy – Know Yourself, Grow Yourself.Learn about Awake Academy: https://www.awakeacademy.com.au/Join the Awake Collective: https://www.awakeacademy.com.au/awake-collective-salesFollow Layne and Awake Academy on InstagramPurchase the paperback: https://www.booktopia.com.au/awake-academy-tess-brouwer/book/9781761345869.htmlPurchase the audiobook: https://www.audible.com.au/pd/Awake-Academy-Audiobook/B0DJSL2XY5 About the host: Amelia Phillips is an exercise scientist, nutritionist, and published researcher (BSc, MNut) with a career spanning 26 years in health. A respected media presenter, Amelia has been featured on Channel 9’s hit show Do You Want to Live Forever? and is dedicated to helping people build a life of energy, connection, and purpose at any age or stage of life.Instagram: @_amelia_phillipsHave a question? Email: ap@ameliaphillips.com.auFind out more at: www.ameliaphillips.com.au CREDITSHost: Amelia Phillips Guest: Layne Beachley Audio Producer: Darren RothMusic: Matt Nicholich Production Partner: Nova Entertainment Pty Ltd Healthy Her acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informationSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stoking your sense of adventure and kick-starting curiosity is so important as we get older – just ask seven-time world champion surfer Layne Beachley and clinical psychologist Dr Roy Sugarman, who explain how you, too, can embrace new experiences and redefine what's possible, at any age. About the episode – brought to you by Australian Seniors, in partnership with RSPCA. Join Jean Kittson for the seventh season of DARE: The Time of Your Life (formerly Life’s Booming), called Better With Age. Too often ageing is painted as decline. In reality, Australians are living longer, healthier lives and reshaping what “older” looks like. This series flips the script and shows how ageing is not a dirty word but rather a time to be embraced, featuring interviews with extraordinary over 50s refusing to slip quietly into the background. Layne Beachley is a seven-time world champion surfer, who has been pushing the boundaries of women’s surfing since she first stepped on a phone board aged four, going on to win a record breaking six consecutive world titles. Still hitting the waves every day, Layne continues to share her story and help others as a motivational speaker and co-founder of Awake Academy. Dr Roy Sugarman is a clinical psychologist and clinical neuropsychologist who works with professional athletes, special forces and corporate leaders. He is also head neuroscientist for education technology company, Box Play and a co-founder of the global technology research company, Transhuman Inc, where he holds the patient for how we capture human emotions on data files, as well as having developed a totally non-pathological model for online mental health applications for the Department of Health Services in the state of California together with Kooth USA. Watch DARE: The Time of Your Life on YouTube Listen to DARE: The Time of Your Life on Apple Podcasts Listen to DARE: The Time of Your Life on Spotify For more information visit seniors.com.au/podcast Produced by Medium Rare Content Agency with Myrtle & Pine -- TRANSCRIPT: Jean Kittson: Hello and welcome to a new season of DARE: The Time of Your Life, formerly Life’s Booming, brought to you by Australian Seniors, in partnership with RSPCA. For more episodes, visit seniors.com.au/podcast. In this episode, we're exploring our adventurous side and being bold and taking risks and how it’s not just for your formative years. It's for now, from scaling mountains and learning to surf, to taking a grey gap year and traveling solo. More Australians over 50 are embracing new experiences and pushing their limits. Proving there is no expiry date when it comes to adventure. So, how can we overcome the, ‘I'm too old for this’ mindset to achieve the confidence to try something new? I mean, it could be something you've always wanted to do or something you did in the past and would like to take up again or something you only just thought of. Fostering our sense of adventure and kick-starting our curiosity is so important as we get older and to help us understand why it is important is Dr Roy Sugarman. Dr Roy Sugarman is a clinical psychologist and clinical neuropsychologist who works with professional athletes, special forces and corporate leaders. He is also head neuroscientist for education technology company Box Play. And joining Roy, someone who needs no introduction. Seven time world champion surfer Layne Beachley. Layne has been pushing the boundaries of women surfing since she first stepped on a phone board aged four, and she has gone on to win a record breaking six consecutive world titles. Although she has been retired from competitive surfing for almost two decades, Layne still hits the waves every day. And Layne has ventured into another career altogether, sharing her story and helping others as a motivational speaker and co-founder of Awake Academy. Welcome Layne. Layne Beachley: Thanks Jean Jean Kittson: And welcome Roy.Welcome you both. Layne Beachley: Thank you. Lovely to be here. Jean Kittson: It's so great to have you both here with us and talking about this really important topic about, you know, keeping on pushing ourselves and challenging ourselves. Layne Beachley: It was interesting when you said in the intro about, am I too old for this? I had an experience this weekend, actually, you might be able to help me out with this Roy, where I was competing for my board rider’s club and I was one of the oldest in the whole field and I did come out of the water because it wasn't as enjoyable as it normally is, competing. I did have that mentality. I'm too old for this. Now, do you put that down to the fact that it's just 'cause I'm tired or can I just Are you allowed to be too old for this? Roy Sugarman: Well, absolutely. You can choose whatever time. Were you too young for it at four years old? Layne Beachley: I knew you… Roy Sugarman: So if you weren't too young for it at four years old, you Yeah, no, keep going. But what happens is, if I look at my athletes who keep training through 60 years old that don't show signs of ageing. So you've got 90 year olds who run triathlons and do Iron Men simply because they never stopped. I mean, you look at their muscles or you look at their hearts. They’re 30 years old. Layne Beachley: Right. Roy Sugarman: So what's the mindset? Mindset becomes your biggest thing. Doing the difficult thing. Layne Beachley: Mm-hmm. Roy Sugarman: That's the correct thing to do. When you have a choice and the point is you thought you have a choice. Layne Beachley: Well, I do have a choice, and I also believe it's the recovery process and the the space that you have around it. Because at 90 years old, there's not much else really going on in your life that's gonna distract you too heavily from being able to take good care of yourself. But that starts now. We don't wait till we're 90 before we start taking care of ourselves. So I'm just thinking now that you've said. Now that I'm in my fifties and I'm still competing, I need to actually have more space for preparation and recovery to enjoy it more. Roy Sugarman: Yeah. I think there are four pillars. There's the mindset pillar, there's nutrition and movement, and recovery is your fourth pillar. Jean Kittson: Okay. Right. Say that again. Recovery is your… Roy Sugarman: So mindset's your first important part of that. Jean Kittson: Yes. And then the next one Roy Sugarman: Movement and nutrition are critical as you get older. And even the rot starts early, so when you're young as well. And that fourth pillar is recovery time. So in other words, Jean Kittson: Where you rest and put your feet up, Roy Sugarman: don't overtrain. Jean Kittson: You don't have to work on recovery, do you? Layne Beachley: You do. You have to… Roy Sugarman: Oh yes, Jean Kittson: Oh, you have to work for recovery. Roy Sugarman: Well, there's active and passive, right? Layne Beachley: Exactly. Roy Sugarman: Yeah. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Jean Kittson: Oh gosh. Now we're getting technical. Alright. Can you say what active recovery and passive is in a few words that we, people who aren't sports people will understand, please! Layne Beachley: Well, active recovery would be things like massage and acupuncture and compression therapy and ice therapy and heat therapy Jean Kittson: Ah, Layne Beachley: Yeah. That would be the active Jean Kittson: And the passive is a glass of wine. Jean Kittson: The telly on, the feet up. Right? Layne Beachley: Well, preferably coconut water. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Layne Beachley: Not something that's all anti, well, not something that's inflammatory like alcohol. Roy Sugarman: So going for a walk. Layne Beachley: going for a walk. Roy Sugarman: Going for a walk, doing some stretching, doing some yoga. Very light stuff. Just keeping going, but being active, getting out of bed at the same time, going to sleep at the same time. There's more passive recovery, doing some heart rate variability training. Jean Kittson: Look, I'm feeling too old for this, as you say, I have never sort of worked in that way in a routine or with, you know, that much care. Layne Beachley: So television doesn't provide that, does it? Jean Kittson: Television? No. I don't really watch a lot of television. I do a little, just a lot of, I don't know what I do. Running around, I run around, a headless chook, and then sit down and, you know… Layne Beachley: With a glass of wine. Jean Kittson: Yeah, with a glass of wine. So when you have that pass through your mind – I'm too old for this – this is what happens to, I think a lot of people when, as they, as they get older in later life, they think ‘well, maybe I am too old for this.’ And I don't know whether it's their mindset or other people are putting it on it. You are out surfing with younger people. Did you get that impression that other people were looking at you like that? Or was, did it come from yourself? Layne Beachley: No, it came from myself. I don't care about how people look at me and the judgements that they make, cast upon me. It's more around my opinion of myself. That's the most important. I think it also came down to how my body was feeling and the energy that I was able to put into the performance. And just the mindset is also a reflection of how I'm feeling within myself. So I've been in a moon boot for a few weeks. Yeah, not ideal preparation either. And so I'm really conscious about allowing that injury to heal, but while still being able to do what I wanna do. And that's another thing that slows us down as we get older, is the injuries and the progression of injuries, and then honoring the injury and allowing it to heal. Roy Sugarman: Yeah. And the point that changes as you get older, which is something for younger athletes as well, is you can't be outcome focused. Cause that is going to be a negative for you. But the doctor says you have to lose weight. That's your outcome. Well, reactant theory, somebody's telling you what to do. But the important part of what Layne said is that, the opposite of a competitive mindset is psychological flexibility, which means I'm going to take my eyes off the end result. I'm going to just go for process. I'm going to enjoy what I'm doing. I'm going to love what I'm doing, how well I do. These other people can beat me. They're quicker, faster, stronger, younger. Which is very sad, but their rot’s… Jean Kittson: We hate them. Roy Sugarman: Their rot has already started, you know, and you know, people say, but you're 72, are you slowing down? The answer is, I hate old people, and I'm one of them, you know, some ageist as hell. But what Layne said very important is focus on the process of enjoying what you're doing. Forget about the outcome. The outcome may be beyond you, today. Jean Kittson: Well, this is expectations, isn't it? And the expectations we have on ourselves. So for instance, if you, we've been an elite athlete, like you have, your expectations of yourself must be enormous, and then you retired. How, how did you know when it was time to retire? Layne Beachley: Well. I knew because I wasn't willing to do the work outside of the water to generate the results that I expected of myself within it. If I have this expectation to perform well and win, then that has to be measured or correlated with the training, the preparation, the nutrition. All of the things that are, that need to be invested into performing my best. And I wasn't willing to do that work anymore. I was distracted. I was looking over the fence. I was craving a life outside of surfing. Knowing that I wasn't willing to do the work, I could have easily stayed there and just qualified and made up a number of the girls on tour, but that's not who I am. I perform and I prepare to perform well. I wasn't willing to do the preparation, so it was easy to make that decision. But to that point around expectation, I'm a seven times world champion. I won six in a row, but I won five in fear and two in love. And the two love-based titles were the process driven ones and the five fear-based world titles were outcome driven. So it's too easy to get stuck. And I say that because I've proven that you can succeed in both mentalities, but one costs you a lot more than the other. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: So, and that's where you find the values shift because you have to be valid and authentic as an athlete. And what you've described is how your values shifted and you became a valid and authentic version of yourself at whatever age. Which means you can do the difficult thing that's the correct thing to do. 'cause you had a choice. Layne Beachley: Right. Roy Sugarman: And when you have a choice, you choose according to your, what's valid for you. Those are your values and that gives you the psychological flexibility – competition doesn't matter so much. Being flexible and enjoying what I'm doing and the return on investment, and what it's gonna cost is a value-based decision. Layne Beachley: Right. Roy Sugarman: So if you're gonna be happy and cross the line, as we call it, right Layne Beachley: Yes. Roy Sugarman: You cross the line from being a pro to enjoying your life. [00:10:40] Layne Beachley: Can't you do both? Roy Sugarman: If you're lucky. But you know, I really love the authenticity and validity of what Layne said: I made a values-based decision. I was going to go now for the process, I loved two of those competitions 'cause I was in it for the love. Young athletes come up loving what they do, and then money or success or extrinsic motivators get there. Intrinsically, it wasn't motivating for you. You’d mastered it. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: So that sense of mastery, the idea of getting better and better at what's important to you shifted. And that's great. That's authentic. Layne Beachley: But to that point around choice, even when you say I don't have a choice, that in itself is a choice. Roy Sugarman: Yes. I choose not to choose. Layne Beachley: Yes. Jean Kittson: That's the easy way, right? Layne Beachley: Yeah. I don't have a choice. Jean Kittson: We all, I think we're all susceptible to extrinsic Layne Beachley: motivations. Jean Kittson: Do I say that? Extrinsic? Motivation and influences. And even in our everyday lives, it's very hard to sort of chill down and be true to yourself and make the choices that you want to make. We are all, even if we haven't been athletes, most people have made enormous sacrifices in their lives for their families or their partners, or maybe they've been, maybe they've had to deal with illnesses and trauma and this. So, to get to a stage in your life where you can understand yourself better, which is what I loved about hearing about your Awake Academy and hearing podcasts about how you have done a lot of work on self-awareness And how much that has informed the way you feel about yourself. You no longer when you win a game — when you win a competition, you feel like a winner. When you lose a competition, you feel like a loser. How that's gone from your life and now you're sharing that with others. And I think that's a wonderful thing you are doing. Is that giving you a lot of satisfaction. What's that bringing you? Why did you decide to do that? Layne Beachley: Well, when you become successful, as you know, (and as you know), I mean, everyone wants to know how you do it. And if you're able to deconstruct it and present it in a relatable way that people can take something from, that’s why I do it. I'm constantly doing the work on myself to then help people see themselves in me. I'm not putting myself up as the, the beacon and the light of perfection, because I'm as imperfect as you (and you) are. But what I am doing is saying I'm imperfect, but I'm also vulnerable and authentic in that, and I wanna help you become more vulnerable and authentic within yourself. So at Awake Academy, we're really inspired to help people be their best selves to live their best life. So to live your best life, you have to know who you are first. To achieve something great in the world, you have to know who you are because once you know who you are, then you can start working towards what you want. But sometimes, especially as kids, we put what we want ahead of ourselves and we lose ourselves in that. And I did that in those fear-based world titles. I won that first one and then went, okay, to be worthy of something else, I have to be more than what I am. And I lost that sense of self. And that taught me a lot about myself. So I love sharing those stories to help people feel less alone in their struggles, less isolated, less disconnected, and that they can relate to someone that they may be able to draw some knowledge and inspiration from. Because if you are getting inspiration from me, that's not me creating the inspiration in you, that's you creating the inspiration in you. And I think we put our self worth outside of ourselves too often. Jean Kittson: I think you'll provide the tools for people to manage themselves better. Which is what you do, Roy, and you are, you do it all based on the science of how humans behave and what motivates us. Roy Sugarman: Sure. Because in many ways we have a lot of similarities and differences from animals. So biologically it's quite easy to understand, and that takes the guilt away from people. The idea that when you're a young athlete and you don't get into the team or you don't succeed, I mean, Barcelona Academy will have 600 kids at any one time. None of them will play for Barcelona, apart from what their parents think, which is ‘all of them are going to play’, you know. So this expectation thing that said the drivenness to outcome, the forgetting, that self-reflection of what is valid and authentic for you is critical to the psychological flexibility of the young athletes or young medical students or young nursing students or otherwise, they start to look at suicide. We created an app a few years ago, 2017, we launched it, Time Magazine said we saved 23,000 lives. I don’t know how they got the figure, but you know… Layne Beachley: Go with it Roy Sugarman: My colleague Amanda, she, went with it, I hid! And she got under 30, you know, 30 influences of the year, and she became CEO of our startup in Delaware and everything else. The critical thing was vulnerability. We used the app to create vulnerability that people could experience without talking. They just had a swipe left and right to express vulnerability. And if you teach, vulnerability is good, that you self-reflect because every first year medical student, nursing student is taught to self-reflect on your values, what is valid and authentic. If you failed, you failed. It's okay, but did you fail on your own terms? If you left, you left on your own terms. Right? If you're going out of the door, it must be the door that you chose to leave, you know, so the crossing the line, the self-reflection that you talk about. So critical, but what are you reflecting on? What is valid and authentic for you at the time. And that's critical to an athlete mentality or success mentality. Jean Kittson: It must be critical to older people as well who have spent a life just fulfilling other people's expectations and succeeding in their business or whatever they've done without being elite athletes. I'm just trying to bring this back to what older people might experience when they retire and then suddenly they're left with themselves and looking at themselves maybe for the first time in their lives. And how are they going to deal with, how are they going to maintain a sense of self-esteem when how they valued themselves, maybe through their work or that has gone. Roy Sugarman: same with an athlete, same with an older person. It's your sense of identity. You have an athlete's identity. It's what you've been doing from four to whenever you give up. The same with being a lawyer. You started studying at 18 and you now finished at 70, and you are one of those people who goes into work, but the youngsters don't need you. So maintaining your sense, and you mentioned a very important word at the beginning of this whole thing, you said curiosity. The opposite of avoidance of all of this catastrophe of the loss of your identity is curiosity of being caught up now. Okay, What is valid and authentic for me now that I'm no longer a lawyer or a long distance athlete? As long as you true yourself, that's where the mindset comes in. That's where awake is so important – is wake up to the idea that you are not just an athlete. You are not just a lawyer, self-reflect on what's valid and authentic for you as a person, and then begin the next phase of your life. Layne Beachley: And ideally wake up to that before you become the athlete or before you become the lawyer. Roy Sugarman: Hopefully have that mindset about what is going to be your intrinsic mastery. That whole idea of getting better and better at what's important to you is critical, not what's important to the crowds or anybody. What's important to you? Now, get better at it. So human growth starts when a 72-year-old or an 80-year-old decides they're going to do a whole new and complex thing. Create the brain cell connections and off you go. Jean Kittson: Oh, so it's never too late to start a new and complex activity or interest. Roy Sugarman: You can't afford not to because you're starting that process of God's waiting room. You know, that older people tell me and when they come in miserable with highly successful lives, you know, perhaps thinking of the only one or two things they messed up. Then we go, what are you gonna do in the next five, 10, 15, 20, 30 years? Because if you can write a book like Eddie Jaku at 101, gets published in 26 languages, have your own TED talk, ageing, novel complexity. Start, go. You know why stop. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Why do we stop? Jean Kittson: Well, this is it. Is it our negative thoughts about ourselves and our capacity? Is it physical? I mean, we don't wanna break anything, that's for sure. I mean, is it purely, what is stopping us trying new things or having adventures or… Layne Beachley: Fear. Roy Sugarman: And I wanna bounce this off Layne. We have an interesting phenomenon in our brain as we compute emotions and logic separately. And emotions are stronger. When we look at a goal, we tend to see the big picture, which is overwhelming. And there are two aspects. How desirable is this change for you and what is your perceived ability and the interventions are – how desirable, love to do it; perceived ability, it's too hard, it's too big, it's gonna be too difficult. What happened to baby steps? What happened to micro goals? So the answer is we get this ambivalence. The clash between ‘I would really love to do it but it’s gonna be too hard. I'm too old.’ But what about the desirability? Well look at the emotional drivers, not the rational ones: I'm too old. The emotional ones: ‘I'd really love to do this’ (process based, might never get there). And second of all, your perceived ability is based on age? No, it's based on smaller goals that you can achieve all the way to the big one. So if I decide I'm gonna play Wimbledon next year, at 72. You'd say you're an idiot. On the other hand, if it's process based… Layne Beachley: Can you play tennis? Roy Sugarman: Not a chance, but I'll get a coach Layne Beachley: Then I think you're crazy. Roy Sugarman: I'll get a coach, I'll go every day and whatever else. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: And by the end of the year I'll be playing at a club maybe. Layne Beachley: Mm-hmm. Roy Sugarman: I'll be playing with other people and beating them, and I'll be loving tennis. I'm never getting to Wimbledon, but the process is gonna be great. Layne Beachley: Process will be the same too. Roy Sugarman: The goal's irrelevant, the process. Layne Beachley: But if we get ahead of ourselves. And I'd actually love to ask you a question about this. So, when we set these goals for ourselves, sometimes they can be more audacious than others. So perhaps we set ourselves a big goal, such as becoming a world champion at something. And there I think there's two trains of, there's two modes of motivation. There's of course the extrinsic and the intrinsic motivation. The extrinsic motivation can be a force of fear to a degree. Roy Sugarman: Yes. Layne Beachley: Right. So if I think about athletes who have a fear of failure versus athletes that have a fear of success, the outcome in my mentality, and you are the trained psychologist here, so you might be able to help me here, understand this even better. The outcome, the associated outcome of success is so scary that they end up sabotaging themselves. I had a fear of success. Fortunately, what you fear, you attract. Roy Sugarman: Yes. Layne Beachley: So I was, but I became aware of it so it no longer governed my behaviours versus the fear of failure, which gives us reason to just stop. Roy Sugarman: Yes. Layne Beachley: Because we've convinced ourselves over and over and over again that we're never gonna make it. So is the lesson here for anyone at any age when they hit that point of tension? That they become curious in that moment. And so what's the best question that they can ask themselves to step forward? Roy Sugarman: Why not me? The problem is we all have some kind of an image of ourselves and Scott Peltin from Tignum and I had this discussion for years in Arizona. We all have an image of ourselves. And to succeed, we have to exceed that image. We have to go past the image. As we do that, we become anxious. And elite athletes, as you’ll know, waiting for the right wave, you know, counting all of those, everybody catching their waves, you know, waiting and going through that first heat. Then you've got the second heat. You know, you're so close to success, the fear. The idea is the first question is, why not me? Because other people do it, and other people might always be more talented, quicker, whatever. But you have to exceed your own image to succeed. And every time you do that, every time you challenge yourself, you need to be curious about how anxious you're gonna be. 'Cause every change and every growth comes with anxiety. That's where you go for what's valid. I'm going to be curious just about how anxious this makes me. Then live with it and see. That means psychological flexibility, staying in the moment, being curious about the moment and not worrying about the outcome anymore. Jean Kittson: Not worrying, being vulnerable, taking a chance, you know, dispel fear as well. Roy Sugarman: Fear is natural, the fear of success, that fear of exceeding your image. The fear of most of the athletes I've trained will never win a gold medal. Not even come close to a medal at the Olympics and have been four times and loved every second of it. Even the cardboard beds! Whatever, whatever it is, why not me? If you want to change careers, if you want to become this, you wanna do that. We have the children headed for HSC and we say, well. So you don't get a great HSC. You can get into any course, you want to just go and do another degree and do well at it. Jean Kittson: Exactly. Roy Sugarman: Do something you enjoy and love. So the critical thing is you get older. There is no point going to a bootcamp that you're going to hate, where some young blonde, spray tan person with who counts your reps and and has a mobile phone available to prompt them with AI as to what you should be doing. They should be watching you very carefully. Do you love the exercise? Do you love what you're gonna do? Because if you love it, you're probably good at it. And if you're good at it, you probably love it. So now that you've finished your career, now that you've finished your whatever, and you crossed the line, why not you? The answer is be curious as to what this is going to demand from you. Do the difficult thing that's the right thing to do because you have a choice. The easy thing: not gonna work. Jean Kittson: What would you say to people whose family may say, ‘you shouldn't do this, Mum!’ Or ‘you shouldn't do this Dad,’ or ‘you are too old for this.’ What would you say to people who have external pressures about helping, about trying something new? Layne Beachley: Why not me? Jean Kittson: Yes, same. Layne Beachley: I have plenty of people in my family and friends circle that say that to me. Roy Sugarman: You should be slowing down. Layne Beachley: Yeah, of course. Jean Kittson: What do you mean? Layne Beachley: Well, you're too old for this, or you shouldn't be doing that. Roy Sugarman: Or you should slow down. You should slow down. The reason is they're scared for you. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: So they're trying to stop you doing what would make you happy, which is to be curious and take risks. Layne Beachley: Yeah. They're projecting their fears onto you. They're trying to protect themselves, not you. Jean Kittson: Well of course they don't wanna be a carer of someone. You know, in a wheelchair, if you jumped out of a plane or… No. Jump out of a plane. I know it sounds, you know, I wouldn't do it, but people love it. Layne Beachley: I love it. It's great fun. Roy Sugarman: If it was burning, I'd jump, but… Jean Kittson: Yeah! Roy Sugarman: But think you've gotta be positive. Layne was in a boot for quite a while. That means she could float better. You know, you could float if you came off the board I on that board Layne Beachley: I never surfed in a boot! Never swam in it either. Roy Sugarman: A flotation device. Layne Beachley: Yeah, don't need a flotation device! Roy Sugarman: So yeah, just think of fear and human fear and what it might be based on. And that self-reflection is, ‘what am I scared of? What am I afraid of? What have I got to lose?’ As you get older and older, you might feel that you have a lot to lose, that you are more vulnerable. But that's not true. Layne Beachley: Why isn't it true? Roy Sugarman: Why are you more vulnerable? You're more vulnerable to risk taking because of expectations of what people do because of ageism, because ‘old people don't do that’. Roy Sugarman: But, you know, the thing is about getting old and not doing things is, the excuses are like, ‘why don't we ride a bicycle?’ Well, I don't have a bicycle. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: Or I'm scared I might fall off or whatever else. So the critical reason is ‘why not me, is this valid and authentic for me?’ Because that will bolster your being older and ageing so-called gracefully. Yes, you are running against biology, you're running against everything. But the most critical thing is your mindset of what is authentic and valid for you, not for the next 72-year-old. Because by that nature I should not be, you know, running to Bondi 8kms there and back up hill, which I hate, but my dog loves it. So yeah. Jean Kittson: Well, keeping curiosity and challenges in your life is so important because we're always learning and otherwise, as you said, we're just waiting. What are we waiting for: the end. But when you said about fear, that is really important because it translates to so many different aspects of the lives of people as they get older, including, I always hear, you know, the family saying ‘oh, my mum doesn't want any help around the house, and, and I know she needs help.’ But that comes from fear too, that it's a thin edge of the wedge. If you let someone come in and help you with the washing up, it means that you're not coping and then, then your family will put you in a home. That's the outcome. You know, that's a big fear that you will lose your autonomy. But in this way, it sounds like to maintain your autonomy and your independence and maintain your confidence, it's important to have challenges and challenge yourself and make your own decisions. Layne Beachley: And being realistic about what those challenges are. Jean Kittson: Yes, Roy Sugarman: Because avoidance, the opposite of curiosity is avoidance. And avoidance is staying safe. But staying safe means learning nothing. We learn nothing from success. You learn from the times you fall off the board. Layne Beachley: I learned a little bit about success, from success. Roy Sugarman: I've never had any, so how would I know? Layne Beachley: Wow, rubbish. It's funny that you know that you say you learn nothing from success. I learned a lot from success, but learning how to lose taught me how to win. Roy Sugarman: Yes, Layne Beachley: And it's those failures that we fear as we get older because of a variety of different reasons. Yet if we maintain our sense of curiosity in those moments, then we get to ask ourselves, is it valid and is it authentic to me? So when I came outta the water last weekend, having failed, in my eyes, because I did not perform the way I wanted to perform, I was able to detach from that and just ask myself, is this still a valid and authentic place that I wanna be? Is this still a valuable and authentic environment that I wanna subject myself to? Jean Kittson: Yeah. Do you want to feel like you failed? Layne Beachley: Well, no, it's not about feeling like, is it still, do I keep competing, right? Jean Kittson: Yes. Layne Beachley: Yeah. Because failure is the stepping stone to success. Failure is the necessary part because understanding how you adapt and approach failure enables you to embrace success. But if we don't take the failures in our stride, then we stop trying and we stop putting ourselves, we stop it. We stop taking risks. Roy Sugarman: And being realistic is testing that. Layne Beachley: Yes. Yeah. Roy Sugarman: That curiosity is, I'm going to test and see if my daughter's right and I shouldn't be doing that. You know, I'm gonna test those limits, which is again, Scott Peltin's view of exceeding your own image is important. It comes with anxiety; living with that is the curiosity. Are we going to test those limits and see, because we don't know what we don't know. And if we do know, or you know, Lang’s dictum or whoever it was: if you don’t know you don't know, you think you do know. And if you don't know you do know, you think you don't! Layne Beachley: Yeah. Roy Sugarman: So test it and find out what you know about yourself, which [00:31:00] is that critical self-evaluation again. And then ask, ‘well, why not me? I'm going to test that.’ Layne Beachley: Jean, is there something that you are wanting to do that you're fearful of stepping into? Jean Kittson: Everything probably. Well there's something I've always wanted to do, and then I always swore I'd do it by the time I was 40 and then I didn't, and now I'm 70, and now I think it's probably too late. But I've always, but it may not be. I've always wanted to sculpt. I love doing things with my hands Layne Beachley: As in clay, sculpting? Jean Kittson: As in I think I would probably start with Clay and then move on to sort of ten storey bronzes. I dunno, I'd start small. Layne Beachley: Why do you think it's too late? Jean Kittson: I feel like I have lost capacity in like physical Layne Beachley: Oh, Jean Kittson: I feel like it's a physical thing, not a mental thing. I know what I would sculpt Layne Beachley: Right. Jean Kittson: I know what I would do, but I can, I feel like I couldn't do it physically and that's sad, because I… sculpture moves me when I see sculpture, I'm moved. But then it might be like, I do it and then I don't, I don't get moved except to tears. What a mess. You know? I suppose I'm scared of failing too. Layne Beachley: Ah, so Roy Sugarman: Well let's turn that around and say sculpting is going to strengthen your hands. Jean Kittson: Well, that would be good. I'm getting a little bit of arthritis. Roy Sugarman: Good. So you need to use your hands. Movement is really good for arthritis and clay, and then work your way to Italian marble and really terrorise yourself. Jean Kittson: Yes, just be a Michelangelo. That would be amazing. Layne Beachley: So as a psychologist, if Jean was sitting opposite you in your room, and she's telling you this story… Roy Sugarman: She has an image of the strength of her hands she hasn't tested, she hasn't been curious about testing her hands. I would get you to test the strength of your hands and to increase the strength of your hands and your range of movement, and deal with the arthritis and strengthen everything, and then get busy with clay. Why not? Layne Beachley: Because the first thing that I think about, yeah, it's all about me, is that I wanted to build the strength in my body again because menopause stripped me of my strength and I surrendered to menopause and just went, oh, that's my deal. Done. And then I thought, I wanna get strong. I need to go back to the gym. And going back to the gym terrified me because I didn't know what to do. Jean Kittson: Yes. Layne Beachley: I've always had a personal trainer. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Layne Beachley: So I rang a friend and said, I need a personal trainer. And then, I was afraid to fail in front of my personal trainer, but I was also afraid to feel weak, but I thought to feel strong, I have to embrace the fact that I am weaker right now, but if I keep doing the thing and showing up and building my capacity, then I will become stronger over time. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Layne Beachley: Same thing with your hands. Jean Kittson: Not look at the big picture. Yes. Because that's the other thing, you're afraid that what I make is not what I have in my mind. Layne Beachley: Yes. Right. But you can make it over time. Jean Kittson: Yes. Layne Beachley: But detach, as Roy said… Jean Kittson: maybe it's not important. Maybe the process is what we've been talking. Roy Sugarman: You'll find that out in the process. Jean Kittson: I'll find it out if I just do it. Just do it. Roy Sugarman: Why not you? Why not you? Jean Kittson: Yeah, why not? Layne Beachley: We're gonna ring a sculptor tomorrow. We're gonna get you booked in. Jean Kittson: Oh, I just had this, I felt like my heart just jumped into my throat! Roy Sugarman: Shows you how important it is to, to become that creative and see something growing outside of you and being able to change it. Jean Kittson: Manipulate it Roy Sugarman: Create a vision of what it should be. And you know, I mean, Michelangelo took, you know, this horrible piece of marble that somebody threw out and he saw David in it. Jean Kittson: Well, thank you so much for that encouragement. alright. I think I'll do it. I'll report back. Yeah. Layne Beachley: Please do. We'd love to, I wanna see the sculpture. Because if you think about the audience that's listening, they're probably saying, well, you know, it's all right for those two. You know, they've gone on and achieved greatness. Yeah. What about people who have predominantly lived a stagnant life or haven't really achieved anything that they consider to be big or audacious or great? Jean Kittson: I would say, first of all, I'll just challenge you on the word stagnant because most people live lives that have a whole lot going on. Layne Beachley: Yes, that's true Jean Kittson: All the time. Layne Beachley: Thank you. Jean Kittson: And dealing with lots of stuff. Layne Beachley: No such thing as stagnant. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Layne Beachley: No, not if you're still alive. You're not, you're not being stagnant. Jean Kittson: But it's a really good word because people encourage you to stagnation as you get older. Yes. They'll give you all these facts about what you can't do any longer or you shouldn't, and your bones and your brain and your reactions. So you're constantly getting this negative thing about ageing. You're not actually getting a lot of positive things, you know, facts where you are, you know, Roy, you've got all the facts and evidence. All the evidence seems to be, we should embrace ageing and just, you know, behave our age and sit down and be conversational and put your feet up and wear a dressing gown and listen to marching bands or something. You know, like… Roy Sugarman: I have three things to say to that - poo poo poo. Layne Beachley: Okay. Roy Sugarman: You know, heaven for forbid. Because yeah, the stereotyping and everybody's different. Everybody's life is different. Some people come to me at the end of their working careers and say, I don't believe I've achieved anything, and everything else, and everything else. So the issue’s across the lifespan – and the rot starts early – is to decide, especially you mentioned earlier, athletes or any human being, decide what's important to you. Self-reflect. It can change from minute to minute, hour to hour in a day, but if you're not being authentic and valid with yourself, you're gonna land up in the psychologist rooms, anxious or miserable. The first question I ask them is, ‘what's valid and authentic?’ Because when you get miserable after a life of maybe not doing much, what are you really saying is that what happened throughout your life wasn't valid for you, it wasn't authentic for you, and now you are old and you are Kentucky Fried Chicken Kernel Saunders at 65, and you are gonna make chicken. Well, Mrs. Fields’s husband has walked out the door and she's gonna make cookies. $400 million worth of cookies, you know? So the whole idea is if you are in that stasis, let's call it stasis, rather than… Layne Beachley: Yeah. I love that, statis Jean Kittson: Yes. Stasis. Roy Sugarman: Nice word from stagnation. Yes. And if you're not as spritely, bounding around beautifully being spritely, then think about the fact that it's never too late to go and look at what is valid and authentic and what isn't. Then have the courage to commit yourself to a committed life from that moment on. Give you a quick example, and have a client who is a great scientist. He was nominated for Nobel Prizes. God knows what, 84 years old decided it was time to die because all he wanted to do was play the violin [00:38:00] and he was good at it. So we found this bus in Israel that travels around to schools, introducing kids to classical music, the whole orchestra of old people like him. He spent the last nine years of his life doing that, playing to kids and nevermind his organic chemistry. It was never valid and authentic for him. Layne Beachley: What chemistry? Roy Sugarman: No, his whole life wasn't valid and authentic, but the violin or photography or people [in their] 70s start painting and yes, actually paint beautifully. So why not? Layne Beachley: I feel that the beauty in this conversation is inspiring people to embrace the challenge of embracing their passion and connecting with what that is. Then giving themselves permission to explore that. Without the expectation to be the best in it or to be great at it. And perhaps, you know, in childhood and trauma is trauma, pain is pain. We've all experienced moments within our childhood that are still playing out to this day. And if we can start to learn to tap into what those stories are, and there's about seven or eight of them that we keep coming back to, then we can start to disengage from them and detach from them and start to write a different story. But if we're allowing old behavioural patterns from childhood to dictate who we are today as an adult, then we are missing out the chance, we are delaying the opportunity to embrace those passions. And the number one regret of the dying is I wish I had the courage to live a life that I love. Roy Sugarman: And that means embracing a narrative that is your narrative. Not your kids, your family, whatever. You tell your own story and you make that story go where you want. It's your narrative, it's your story. And if the story of your last 50 years wasn't good enough, tell another story. Layne Beachley: Yes. Roy Sugarman: And that storytelling of the beginning and the middle and the end is yours to decide. So the courage and curiosity and exceeding the image that is the old story, why not? This is living. Jean Kittson: I feel that if you don't sort of confront your fears, either physical or emotional, psychological or spiritual, existential. If you don't confront them, then you're going to live a fearful life, and that's going to really limit you. And it's probably going to impact your family too, because as you get older, you may be a grandparent and you may have great influence on your grandchildren. You might have already made all your mistakes with your children, but it's never too late to learn about yourself and how… a better way of living. Layne Beachley: Well, fears are valid too. Roy Sugarman: Yeah, fears are valid and they're acceptable and they're part of life. And there are warning signs like pain, pain and fear, all the same thing. These are warning signs, but we don't have to necessarily live our lives according to them. Just think of pain: 30% is dealt with by medication. 70% is psychosocial. So the reason psychologists deal with pain is we've got a 70% window there to help someone get away from chronic pain. 30% is medication, 70% according to [Rachel] Zoffness and other researchers. 70% is the interaction with another human being that normalises the pain and anxiety and the sadness into the here and now. Now that you have the pain, accept it. What now becomes critical? However, your value shifted. What's important to you now? That's self-reflection. Again, what is important to me, given these circumstances. Yes. You're afraid I'm not worried about that. Jean Kittson: Well, that's great to, yeah. Not worried about fear. Not to be fearful of fear. Well, fear… Roy Sugarman: We have, yes Jean Kittson: Yes Roy Sugarman: Yes. Best statement by an American president. If you're afraid of fear, you are paralyzed. You are static. Jean Kittson: The other thing, I suppose for older people, and I keep saying older people later, life probably is, you know, I could say… Layne Beachley: Mature? Can you say that? Jean Kittson: Mature people. Layne Beachley: Yeah. What is the term? Jean Kittson: Well, some of us are mature! I like these… Those of us in later life maybe, rather than older because we don't feel it, is how to maintain a sense of purpose. And I know you speak about purpose being, I think I heard you, but please tell me it's values and people with the same values in your life. Roy Sugarman: That use mastery, like mindedness and growth. Jean Kittson: And growth. And that gives you purpose. Roy Sugarman: Yes. That's the model for the state of California, which is the thing we defend most, is the idea that what we do makes a difference. If we embark on actions that have no outcome for us at all, and we don't enjoy the process, then mastery disappears and a sense of autonomy disappears. So you can define purpose as this progressive realisation of ‘what I do makes a difference surrounded by people who have the same values as me.’ But the guiding, what is this autonomy? It's around the things that matter to me. So that defines your purpose, right. Layne Beachley: So values mastery Roy Sugarman: Like-mindedness, like-mindedness, you need people around you. You need your squad who think the same way, need your dreams as you do dreams. You need your team, your squad, you know? Layne Beachley: And it was course growth. Growth, of course. Roy Sugarman: Yes. Mastery getting better and better at what matters to you, Layne Beachley: Right? But if what matters to you is being comfortable, how do you grow in that state? Roy Sugarman: Well, you get really good at being comfortable, Layne Beachley: But if being comfortable is eating food that's not great and sitting on the couch and binge-watching television until like… People give up on life, as they get older. Roy Sugarman: They do the easy things. They do the easy that are the wrong things to do because they don't understand they have a choice, Layne Beachley: Right Roy Sugarman: When we get people who are miserable, depressed, whatever, we have to then motivate them. In other words, as you said, inspire some drive in them. But what it is is emotional. So we work on emotional drivers for someone like that. They have to find, you know, the why and then they can get the how. But it's not something we give them. We are just visiting people's lives. When they change, it is on their own terms. So we help them tell a story, and in that story, they become the hero who gets off the couch, who stops eating for the most part. They have to find that purpose driven by values. So we help them with values. We help them to make the argument. I can't make the argument for them. I'm just visiting people's lives. Layne Beachley: You're just providing the framework. Roy Sugarman: Yep. I paint a frame and they do the artwork themselves. Layne Beachley: They do the art. Jean Kittson: So can you actually, I was, because I was going to ask you, what would you say to people to help motivate them who are thinking of trying a new venture or adventure? The trying to challenge themselves. What would you say to people who were overcome with: I can't do this. What would each of you say? Layne Beachley: I'd like to hear the psychologist for this first. Roy Sugarman: So think of the big picture. I take them out of the big picture immediately, because if you're getting older, the big picture is not a good one. If you're going to look at it because you all go out the same way. Okay. So the whole idea is don't look at the big picture. When you're young. You can look at big pictures 'cause it seems endless. As you get older. You need to look at smaller and smaller bites of pictures, which will still get you. To the big picture. But if you look at the big picture, your own emotional sense of being overwhelmed comes in quickly. I want this, but it's too hard. Technically, ambivalence. So when they're sitting in my room, obviously they're not happy. When they are happy, well, I don't see them. I leave them alone. Layne Beachley: They leave you alone. Roy Sugarman: Yeah. But obviously, people come when what's happening in their life is not valid for them. And then we have that discussion of, ‘okay, what's gonna be important for you now?’ But don't look at the big picture. It's overwhelming and that sense of self-efficacy, that what I do makes a difference – Bandura 1952, whatever it was – that feeling of loss of control, of loss of self-efficacy is the scary thing that we have to address. Because then you're not living life according to values; other people's values are driving you and it's not working. Layne Beachley: And if you've lived your whole life according to other people's values, because you're conforming to fit in to belong, which is what our biggest driving force is with every one of us. We wanna belong. We wanna feel safe. If you don't feel safe, then you're gonna continuously find ways to manufacture or create that environment for yourself. Jean Kittson: Safety. Layne Beachley: Safety. Jean Kittson: Yeah. Which might be closing the door. Layne Beachley: It might, I mean, it could be Jean Kittson: Isolating yourself sometimes Layne Beachley: Yes. And sometimes we all need to Roy Sugarman: It’s avoidance. Layne Beachley: Yeah. It's avoidance. Yeah. Unless you're an introvert. Roy Sugarman: Which is good avoidance. Layne Beachley: But, I mean, everything comes at a cost, right? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And I look at, for example, my professional surfing career as when I reflect on those world title campaigns, the cost of doing, of winning world titles with an outcome focused mentality was significant. To the point now I'm in my fifties in constant pain management because I didn't listen. The body whispers before it screams, and my body was screaming and I still wasn't tuning in because I had this ‘must win at all cost’ mentality. And that's what cost us our joy, our connection, our sense of belonging, our sense of self, our health, our wellbeing. I compromised, I sacrificed it because the outcome was more important to me than my health and wellbeing. My ability to actually achieve the goal was put second. So to this, so to Roy's point about being really clear around who you are and getting outta the outcome driven mentality and just asking yourself what's valuable to me, that's the gold right there. Roy Sugarman: And when you look at that big picture that I mentioned earlier, and what you've just said is so critical with every elite person and every ordinary person, when you look at the big picture, what you're seeing is the sacrifices you would have to make. Layne Beachley: Yes. Roy Sugarman: And that can be really daunting Layne Beachley: Overwhelming Roy Sugarman: And that's where your negative emotions come in and you go, that's gonna be too hard. And that's where meaning and values and emotional drivers come in. Because if I'm going to sacrifice, if I'm going to give up things. I love for something I love more, I better be clear on why I'm doing it. Jean Kittson: It's really never too late. I mean, that's the point. There's no, what I'm getting from both of you with the science and the experience, there's no expiry date on pushing ourselves, challenging ourselves. And certainly it'll give us an expiry date if we don't maintain our curiosity and if we don't go out there and, and be true to ourselves. So I feel like we've just had the most amazing therapy session. I’ve really valued your experience and your expertise, both of you. And thank you for talking, speaking with us all today. Is there anything else you would like to say to add to this, something for the listeners… Is there anything that you would like to say? Layne Beachley: One last thing I'd like to say, one last piece of advice would be don't let the old person creep in. Jean Kittson: Yes. That's such a great expression. I love that expression. Roy Sugarman: I saw a video of a 95-year-old choreographer from New York. She said, if you give old age an inch, it takes all of you. And then they said to her, when you're gonna retire, she says, when it's a non-shockable rhythm. Jean Kittson: That's fantastic. That's really fantastic. Roy Sugarman: So thank you so much for having me. Certainly. And Jean Kittson: Thank you. Layne Beachley: Thank you Roy Roy Sugarman: Fantastic to have you, Layne. Jean Kittson: Thank you Dr. Roy Sugarman, and thank you Layne Beachley. Layne Beachley: Thank you, Jane Kittson. Jean Kittson: Thank you to this week's guests, Layne Beachley and Dr Roy Sugarman. You've been listening to DARE: The time of your life, brought to you by Australian seniors. Please leave a review and share this show with someone you know. Visit seniors.com.au/podcast for more episodes. May your life be DARING. I'm Jean Kittson.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Healthy Her, host Amelia Phillips discusses all things motivation with sporting legend, mental health advocate and bona fide national treasure, Layne Beachley. From adopted baby to a seven-time world surfing champion and the only surfer (male or female) to win six consecutive world titles, Layne’s is a journey forged through grit, guts and a commitment to personal growth. Having grappled with injury, mental health challenges and personal loss, Layne knows more than most what it takes to do hard things. Here she shares her hard-earned insights and challenges us all to dig deep to find that missing motivation.About the guest: A former seven-time world surfing champion, Layne Beachley is a sought-after speaker, fearless advocate for mental wellbeing, gender equality and environmental action, and a proud ambassador for organisations including Black Dog Institute, Gotcha4Life, and WWF Australia. As the founder of Awake Academy, she is on a mission to help a million people thrive and live happier, more purposeful lives through online programs, workshops and her new book co-written with Tess Brouwer, Awake Academy – Know Yourself, Grow Yourself. Layne on the catwalk! https://www.instagram.com/p/DVUZzSUE703/?igsh=cnlobTJrdWlzdnR6Learn about Awake Academy: https://www.awakeacademy.com.au/Join the Awake Collective: https://www.awakeacademy.com.au/awake-collective-salesFollow Layne and Awake Academy on InstagramPurchase the paperback: https://www.booktopia.com.au/awake-academy-tess-brouwer/book/9781761345869.htmlPurchase the audiobook: https://www.audible.com.au/pd/Awake-Academy-Audiobook/B0DJSL2XY5 About the host: Amelia Phillips is an exercise scientist, nutritionist, and published researcher (BSc, MNut) with a career spanning 26 years in health. A respected media presenter, Amelia has been featured on Channel 9’s hit show Do You Want to Live Forever? and is dedicated to helping people build a life of energy, connection, and purpose at any age or stage of life.Instagram: @_amelia_phillipsHave a question? Email: ap@ameliaphillips.com.auFind out more at: www.ameliaphillips.com.au CREDITSHost: Amelia Phillips Guest: Layne Beachley Audio Producer: Darren RothMusic: Matt Nicholich Production Partner: Nova Entertainment Pty Ltd Healthy Her acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informationSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A professional athlete often comes with the assumption of a perfectly healthy mind and body. Endlessly fit, resilient, and immune to the pressures of everyday life. But in this episode of Well, former professional surfer and seven times world champion, Layne Beachley challenges that idea. In this conversation, Layne reflects on her experience as a chronic “yes” person, and what it took to finally start saying no. She opens up about navigating chronic fatigue, learning to recognise her limits, and the moment she realised she had to stop pushing through and start listening to her body. Layne unpacks her evolving relationship with food and exercise, and why what works for a pre-menopausal body doesn’t always work post-menopause. She shares the surprising truth she had to learn the hard way that sometimes, the most productive thing you can do for your body is nothing at all. And in a full-circle moment, she reflects on the pride she now feels watching the next generation of surfers surpass her, proving she’s not just one of the greatest athletes of all time, but a true champion of women in sport. This episode contains discussion of suicidal ideation, body image concerns, and dieting. Please take care while listening. THE END BITS All your health information is in the Well Hub. If today's episode has brought up difficult feelings and if you just need to talk to someone immediately, you can always call Lifeline on 13 11 14. Remember to be kind to yourself, and please don't hesitate to seek support. GET IN TOUCH Sign up to the Well Newsletter to receive your weekly dose of trusted health expertise without the medical jargon. Ask a question of our experts or share your story, feedback, or dilemma - you can send it anonymously here, email here or leave us a voice note here. Ask The Doc: Ask us a question in The Waiting Room. Follow us on Instagram and Tiktok. Support independent women’s media by becoming a Mamamia subscriber CREDITS Hosts: Claire Murphy and Dr Mariam Guest: Layne Beachley Senior Producers: Claire Murphy and Sally Best Group Executive Producer: Ilaria Brophy Audio Producer: Scott Stronach Video Producer: Julian Rosario Social Producer: Elly Moore Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Information discussed in Well. is for education purposes only and is not intended to provide professional medical advice. Listeners should seek their own medical advice, specific to their circumstances, from their treating doctor or health care professional.Support the show: https://www.mamamia.com.au/mplus/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week Nicola and Di chat with the inspiring and heart-centred Tess Brouwer. Tess is the CEO and co-founder of the Awake Academy alongside world champion surfer Layne Beachley, and together they wrote the book, Awake Academy. She’s a practitioner of positive psychology, a mental wellness mentor and someone who knows the corporate life inside and out. Tess has rebuilt her life from a serious spinal injury, survived burnout several times and helps people to reset, recharge and thrive at work and in life. She’s also a mum, a podcaster and the creator of the new supplement Wake Up. In this episode we hear Tess’ incredible story of the skiing accident that changed her life, what it was like to recover from a serious spinal injury and what she learnt about herself along the way. She shares with us the remarkable words of wisdom that Layne gave her during that time, and how Tess realised that by changing your mindset, you change your life. Tess talks to us about positive psychology and some really practical tools that we can all use to feel better in our lives, shift our mindset in a positive direction and be open to what the universe has to offer. This is a deeply personal episode where Tess opens up about some difficult times in her life, shares the negative stories she used to have about herself and reflects on how beautiful and meaningful her life has become. There were lots of tears in the studio (as well as laughs) and hugs all around. It was a real joy to have Tess join us and we hope you love this beautiful, open and honest conversation as much as we did! This episode is proudly supported by Montgomery Investment Management, trusted experts helping you build and protect your financial future. For further information, please contact David Buckland, Chief Executive Officer or Rhodri Taylor, Account Manager on (02) 8046 5000 or investor@montinvest.com Follow Nicola and Di on IG here - https://www.instagram.com/overthebackfencepodcast/ Follow Tess on IG here - https://www.instagram.com/tesscbrouwer/ Follow Awake Academy on IG here - https://www.instagram.com/awake_academy/ Buy Tess and Layne’s book Awake Academy here - https://www.penguin.com.au/books/awake-academy-9781761345869 Join the Awake Collective here - https://www.awakeacademy.com.au/store Watch Over The Back Fence on YouTube here - https://www.youtube.com/@Overthebackfencepodcast/podcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The legendary surfer has grieved the deaths of her adoptive mother, stepmother and birth mother. Only later in life did she realise her drive to win came from a place of loss, and Layne needed to look inward to find her place off the podium.Layne is a legendary surfer who is the first person ever to win six consecutive world titles.Since her childhood spent on Sydney's Northern Beaches, Layne has loved being in the water but it wasn't until later in life that she realised her relentless drive to win came from a confusion about who she belonged with on land.Part of her drive to prove her worth and her place came from her experiences of loss.When Layne was 6 years old, her adopted mother Valerie died. Then, her step-mother Christina died after a long battle with breast cancer.Twenty years after Layne reconnected with her birth mother, Maggie, she flew to America to be by Maggie's side as she took her last breaths.Losing three mothers in one lifetime caused Layne to equate motherhood with loss and abandonment. But after retiring and learning to slow down, Layne turned inward and finally found herself along the way.Content warning: this episode of Conversations contains discussion of adoption and grief.Layne's memoir Beneath the Waves was written with Michael Gordon and published in 2009 by Penguin.Her latest book, Awake Academy, was written with Tess Brouwer and is published by Penguin.This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris. Executive Producer is Nicola Harrison.It explores grief, cancer, death, dying, surfing, pro surfers, Manly, Freshwater, Hawaii, Ken Bradshaw, Kelly Slater, Molly Picklum, Stephanie Gilmore, Kirk Pengilly, love, marriage, stepmother, motherhood, menopause, slowing down, fitness later in life, introspection, awake academy, meditation, beach, ovarian cancer, brain haemorrhage, fatherhood, Tess Brouwer, elite athletes, professional athletes.To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you'll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.

As seven-time world champion surfer Layne Beachley was recently honoured with the DAWN award at the Sport Australia Hall of Fame (SAHOF) in Melbourne, it's the perfect time to revisit her chat with Osher and just a few of its many insightful moments. You'll hear: What diving headfirst into your fears gives you How Layne realised the truth of what was really holding her back from being number 1 And more. Listen to the whole episode for more - search Layne Beachley Better Than Yesterday For Story Club and copies of So What Now, Now What? (a great Christmas gift), head here See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this bulletin ... ** A South African neo-Nazi detained by Border Force officers ** Jess Wilson becomes the first woman to lead the Victorian LIberal Party ... And in sport, ** Surfing icon Layne Beachley recognised by Sport Australia Hall of Fame.

The Epstein Files are back in the news... but what's new? From emails allegedly linking President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein's activities, to Bill Clinton's name being brought up again and even more division in camp MAGA, what do the latest document dumps tell us? Plus, in unrelated Trump news, he's suing the BBC... we'll explain. And in headlines today, Opposition leader Sussan Ley says she can guarantee that she will lead the coalition to the next federal election; Victorian Liberals could appoint their first female leader with a leadership spill predicted today; Confessed murderer Lachlan Young will learn his fate today after killing his former girlfriend Hannah McGuire; 7 time world champion Layne Beachley has been honoured for her efforts to improve women’s surfing with the Dawn Award THE END BITS Support independent women's media Check out The Quicky Instagram here GET IN TOUCHShare your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice note or email us at thequicky@mamamia.com.au CREDITS Hosts: Taylah Strano & Claire Murphy Guest: Amelia Lester, Mamamia US Correspondent Audio Producer: Lu Hill Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FULL SHOW : Dawn Award recipient and former professional surfer Layne Beachley joins us, along with Golden Globe winner Rachel Griffiths to talk her new series on the ABC. Roo is in Houston but still wants to know What Makes You Rage? Catch Mick in the Morning LIVE from 6-9am weekdays on 105.1 Triple M. To watch your favourite new Breakfast Radio crew in action, follow @molloy and @triplemmelb on InstagramSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

7x World Surfing Champ Layne Beachley was honoured with the Dawn Award at the Sport Australia Hall of Fame, recognised for her contribution to surfing. Chatting to Mick In The Morning, Layne talks being honoured, the dangers of surfing over her career, favourite spots, appearance on kids show Bluey & more! Catch Mick in the Morning, with Roo, Titus & Rosie LIVE from 6-9am weekdays on 105.1 Triple M Melbourne or via the LiSTNR app. Mick In The Morning Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/molloy Triple M Melbourne Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/triplemmelb Triple M Melbourne TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@triplemmelbourne Triple M Melbourne Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/triplemmelbourneSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On this episode of the World's Greatest Action Sports Podcast, Chris and Todd talk about The Florence Pipe Pro, Kai Ellis Flint won the Longboard World Title on a board he shaped himself. Joel Tudor told STAB, "he beat that frickin' temper-tantrum-throwing goober", Keala Kennelly goes off on Layne Beachley, more drama at the Eisbach, RIP Kevin Wilkins, Tom Schaar Thrasher cover is insane, Real Skateboards "Oval" video rips, Intense Energy doc shreds, Nike SB and Nardwuar collab looks epic, Rob Dyrdek is no longer ridiculous, Rhino gets Independent signature truck, The Uninvited goes global, 686 X Huf weed board, no questions answered this week, but it's still a great show.   Presented By:   Sun Bum @sunbum One Wheel @onewheel New Greens @newgreens Spy Optic @spyoptic Hansen Surfboards @hansensurf Bachan's Japanese BBQ Sauce @trybachans Pannikin Coffee And Tea @pannikincoffeeandtea Bubs Naturals @bubsnaturals Mint Tours @minttours The PLATFRM @theplatfrm Die Cut Stickers @diecutstickersdotcom Vesyl Shipping @vesylapp VEIA @veiasupplies

Following on from last week's interview with Layne Beachley, in part 2 Ral digs deeper and finds out more about what drives the very healthy and humble Layne, when she knew it was time to stop chasing waves for competition and some very funny stories about marrying a rockstar, picking up litter and what keeps her real… the answer will surprise you! ---------------------------------------------------------Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreonJoin us on our Finders Keepers Immersion in October:https://tinyurl.com/finderskeepersoctoberNew Episode Every Monday Follow the showhttps://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPgFollow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/Follow Ralhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Resilience, courage and the power of positive mindset…Seven-time world surfing champ Layne Beachley can teach us how to achieve all three. She's a legend, driven by immense purpose and she keeps it real in this great part 1 interview with Ral.Hear Layne talk openly about the multiple times she thought of giving up, and how she used the lessons she's learned and applied these – mental fortitude, her ability to listen to her own body and intuition, her fear of success, her ignorance to her own fears and judgements and when she started taking personal accountability.If you're chasing success in your personal or professional life, don't miss part 1 of this inspiring interview with Layne and Ral.---------------------------------------------------------Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreonJoin us on our Finders Keepers Immersion in October:https://tinyurl.com/finderskeepersoctoberNew Episode Every Monday Follow the showhttps://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPgFollow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/Follow Ralhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Aussie Rhiannan Iffland has once again claimed the world title in cliff diving before the final stop in Boston this weekend and it's the 9th time in a row she's been the best and bravest on the jaw dropping circuit.Chatting to Declan Byrne on 'The Saturday Sledge' Iffland tells us that the fear factor never disappears, tells us the one bucket list dive still on her list, shares Layne Beachley's recent advice and why she got extra emotional last week in Bosnia & Herzegovina before clinching the title.

Some athletes have a way of making you smile inherently. Molly Picklum is one of those competitors and she gave Australian surfing fans reason to grin ear to ear. A world title clinched in Fiji puts her in the same space as Steph Gilmore, Tyler Wright and Layne Beachley and she's far from finished. Featured: Chris Binns, surf writer and broadcaster. Subscribe to the ABC Sport Newsletter

Welcome to The Savvy Dentist Podcast with Dr. Jesse Green, where we explore the intersection of dentistry, business, and personal growth to help you create a practice and a life you love.  Whether you're an ambitious practice owner, an entrepreneurial spirit, or just someone striving for personal excellence, you're in the right place. In this episode of The Savvy Dentist Podcast, Dr. Jesse Green dives into a conversation with Layne Beachley AO, whose story transcends sport and speaks directly to the heart of human resilience and authenticity.  Layne Beachley AO is a seven-time world surfing champion, Layne is not only an icon in the world of surfing, but also a powerful advocate for mental wellness. Her journey from battling self-doubt, chronic fatigue, and injuries to becoming one of the most decorated surfers of all time is nothing short of extraordinary. But Layne's achievements go far beyond the waves. Through her platform, Awake Academy, she's helping people dive deep into self-discovery, tap into mental resilience, and navigate life's challenges with purpose and clarity. Layne understands that true success isn't just about trophies and titles ... it's about knowing who you are, owning your story, and rising strong through adversity. In this episode, Dr. Jesse Green and Layne explore what it takes to cultivate a champion's mindset, how to navigate fear, overcome setbacks, and develop the kind of determination that not only builds world-class athletes but world-class humans.  Whether you're running a dental practice, leading a team, or navigating your own personal journey, there's something in Layne's story that will speak to you. So grab a coffee, find a comfy chair, and get ready for an inspiring, energising, and deeply insightful chat with the one and only Layne Beachley.  Books - penguin.com.au/authors/layne-beachley Awake Academy - awakeacademy.com.au [02:17] - Competing in the sport world as a woman in the 1990's. The  unwelcoming, hostile, misogynistic and sexist environment helped shape Layne's competitiveness. [08:21] - How to find your inner strength. [10:39] - Going from the hunter … to the hunted. The transition we must all make as our businesses succeed. [18:46] - The magic happens when we don't focus on the outcome … [24:44] - One's life is too short for di**heads. [28:56] - Don't rob yourself of joy. It WILL affect your business. [32:43] - The Awake Academy - check it out! [33:56] - How your success can cast a shadow.

Layne Beachley is widely regarded as one of the greatest female surfers of all time, with seven World Championship titles to her name. Beyond her surfing career, she is a passionate advocate for personal growth, women's empowerment, and making a difference through motivational speaking. Off the surfboard, Layne shares her life with rock star husband Kirk Pengilly of INXS In this episode, Jess and Layne dive deep into how she was able to shift from fear to love as she struggled with her sense of self-worth when competing. Layne also opens up about the impact of being adopted on her self-esteem and her tumultuous relationship with her biological mother, and offers an intimate look into her marriage with rock star Kirk Pengilly, sharing their ‘shocker’ of a first date, and what makes their relationship thrive. Content Warning: This episode is created for adult audiences only, and touches on Sexual Assault. If this brings up anything for you, help is available by calling 13 11 14 or 1800respect for a safe place to talk day and night. Know someone who'd enjoy this episode? Why not share it with them by tapping the 3 dots above ⬆︎ and passing it on LINKS: Buy Laynes book 'Awake Academy' here If you loved this chat with Layne we think you'll love Jess's conversation with Michelle Bridges here If you love what we do, why not follow the show, and rate and review on Apple or Spotify CREDITS:Host: Jessica RoweGuest: Layne Beachley Executive Producer: Nic McClureAudio Producer: Nat Marshall Digital Content Producer: Zoe Panaretos The Jess Rowe Big Talk Show acknowledges the Gadigal people, Traditional Custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, and pay our respects to their Elders past, present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders peoples here today.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week Nicola and Di chat with the extraordinary Layne Beachley AO. Layne is widely regarded as the most successful female surfer in history. She is the only surfer, male or female, to claim six consecutive world titles, and she then went on to win a 7th world title in 2006 before retiring from the World Tour in 2008. Since retiring, Layne is a highly sought after speaker and is the co-author of a new book Awake Academy: Know yourself, grow yourself to live a happier, more purposeful life, which she wrote with Tess Brouwer. Layne and Tess’ book, as well as their online courses and events, give people life-changing tips and tools to turn ideas and intentions into actions, so they can become the champions of their life. This is a really powerful episode where Layne opens up about her personal challenges and the adversity she’s had to overcome since the very early days. Layne shares all about her childhood, being adopted at birth, and then losing her mum at the age of 7 when a cosmetic surgery went horribly wrong. A year after her mum died, the local kids were starting to ask questions about why Layne looked so different from the rest of her family, and so her dad sat her down at 8 and told her she was adopted. Layne talks about how learning that she was adopted shattered her sense of self, and in that moment, at the age of 8, she decided that the only way she would be loveable was if she became a world champion at something. This was the fuel that propelled Layne to become the most successful surfer in history, but Layne talks about the moment a friend opened her eyes to what was really driving her, and how whilst she was externally successful, it was an unhealthy and unsustainable success that was driven by an inner fear and lack of worthiness. We talk about the inner work that Layne had to do to overcome her fears and recognise her innate worth, and the practices and tools she now lives by to be healthy, happy, purposeful and have sustainable success. This is such a powerful and deep chat, but it is also FULL of laughter and light. Layne is an absolute joy and this conversation had the perfect mix of everything - you get to ride the waves of Layne’s life with us. We hope you enjoy it! This episode is proudly sponsored by Eir Women. Use code OTBF20 at checkout to receive a 20% discount on any purchase. Follow Layne on IG here Follow Awake Academy on IG here Buy Layne’s book Awake Academy: Know yourself, grow yourself and live a happier, more purposeful life here Find out more about Layne’s online courses here Follow Nicola and Di on IG here Buy your Eir Women products here. Use code OTBF20 at checkout for a 20% discountSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is one special interview. What better way to finish the 5th season of my show than getting to sit down face to face with a dear friend in my home, on my couch. I knew it would be a real & raw conversation - full of such wise learnings and it did not disappoint.My guest today is one of the most beautiful humans you could ever meet. The divine Tess Brouwer is a practitioner of positive psychology and wellbeing and the CEO of Awake Academy, a business she runs with another formidable human, Layne Beachley. As a former corporate athlete and now a mum, stepmum and mental wellness mentor, Tess complements Layne's expertise with her deep understanding of corporate dynamics and mental wellbeing. They are making such an impact on the groups of people they are working within their business, they decided to write a book in order to reach more and I wanted to dive in deeper with her. As you're about to hear, Tess has an incredible story that involved rebuilding her life from a life-changing spinal cord and brain injury. Combining that with her extensive experience as a senior executive, Tess specialises in fostering resilience, mental fitness and effective communication within corporate and home environments.Her story is very unique and it's quite extraordinary she's not only here with us today, but thriving in the way she is and positively impacting so many others - it's a privilege to call her my friend. Buy their new book here: Awake AcademyFor more information about Tess, check out these places;-Website: Awake AcademyInstagram: Tess BrouwerLinkedin: Tess BrouwerHead to michellejcox.com for more information about the ONE QUESTION podcast, your host or today's guestsConnect with Michelle on Linkedin here:- @MichelleJCoxConnect with Michelle on Instagram here:- @michellejcoxConnect with Michelle on Facebook here - @michellejcoxAND, if you have a burning topic you'd love people to talk more about, or know someone who'd be great to come on the One Question podcast, please get in touch;- hello@michellejcox.com

Today we welcome into the studio 7 time world champion surfer, and all-round legend, Layne Beachley. Layne, who had the self-described ‘compassion of a tiger shark' during her competition days, has lived an incredible journey to learn how to love others, and more importantly, herself. Upon discovering that she was adopted, Layne internalised a fear of rejection and intense need to prove herself. What's one way to prove yourself, you may ask? Becoming a world champion, no matter the cost. In this episode, Hugh, Ryan and Josh talk to Layne about the narrative that she created for herself, and how this affected her self-worth, body image and relationships. There is SO MUCH good stuff in this episode, and we can't wait for you to enjoy your day at the Beach(ley). Layne, you are an absolute legend. Thank you for your generous vulnerability. If you would like to watch this full episode on YouTube, follow this link - https://bit.ly/3VsnIrd ALSO if you would like to buy tickets to Josh's gig (!!!!!) click here - https://bit.ly/3ZO6ojf

We reflect on the final week of the Rush Hour for 2024 - as James Brayshaw phones in, Topics Lehmo asks what you cannot do, Billy mistakes two Olympic legends for one another, Layne Beachley joins the show to talk about her new book, Joey Montagna pops in for a footy chat, and we look back at the best moments of the year, and Billy's favourite jokes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After a wild-weather day in Melbourne, Billy kicks the show off with the All Sports Report, as a Saints and Crows champion calls it a day. James Brayshaw does us the courtesy of calling into his own show to chat about the First Test, and what he's been up to while Billy and Lehmo have been holding the fort. Luke and Dave battle it out in the Hump Day Quiz, then Billy takes us through a mistake he made with an Olympian. Lehmo's List features the greatest sporting injuries sustained through celebrations, then we catch up with our Team Brownless Golfing Winners, who spent today at the Australian Open Pro-Am. Seven-Time World Surfing Champion Layne Beachley calls in to talk about her new book, and gives us a guided our of her Trophy Room.  Finally, Billy has a joke about Little Johnny.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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WSL commentator and Lineup co-host Mitchell Salazar returns once again to wrap up an incredible event to crown this year's World Champions from the Lexus Finals. They discuss their winners and losers and John John Florence officially solidifying his dynasty by securing his third World Title and entering the realm of renowned surfers with at least 3x World Titles in Tom Curren, Gabe Medina, Mick Fanning, Andy Irons, Mark Richards, Kelly Slater, Layne Beachley, Carissa Moore, Stephanie Gilmore, and Layne Beachley, Frieda Zamba, Margo Oberg, and Wendy Botha. They also revel at Caity's incredible performance and her securing her first World Title, officially becoming the youngest World Champion in WSL history. They talk about Italo's rampaging run through the bracket, his dominating style of surfing, and how it played in his scoring. Things get heated and contentious after Dave and Mitch bring on a couple producers at the WSL to play a Vissla CT Shaper Rankings Fantasy Snake Draft game in the second segment. Finally, Dave and Mitch close the pod by answering your listener questions. Follow Mitch here. Follow Miguel here. Follow Dylan here. Get caught up from the results of the Lexus WSL Finals. Stay tuned to the EDP Ericeira Pro Presented By Estrella Galicia, Sep 29th - Oct 6. Stay up to date with the rankings. Join the conversation by following The Lineup podcast with Dave Prodan on Instagram and subscribing to our YouTube channel. Get the latest WSL rankings, news, and event info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Up – The Financial Revolution that's got young Aussies balls Presents… The Women's World Title Show Down Throw Down with Her Majesty the Swellian Kween Layne Collette Beachley! When you wanna know winners you ask a winner! UTFSK (Swellian Kween!)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today we are joined by Matt Lawson of Surfing NSW and Surfers Rescue 24/7. Surfers Rescue 24/7 is a Surfing NSW aquatic safety program initiative aimed at saving lives in and out of the water through education, training and preparedness. Surfers, who are in the water year-round from dawn to dusk are often the first responders in aquatic emergencies. With less than 5% of our beaches patrolled, we know that surfers play a vital role in saving lives and are often the unsung heroes in countless lifesaving rescues. The Surfers Rescue 24/7 board rescue course is a two-part coarse that teaches surfers and ocean users CPR and specialised rescue techniques using their surf craft to save lives in emergencies. The rescue techniques have been developed and endorsed by NSW Professional Lifeguards, The Australian Lifeguard Service and some of the world's most elite surfers, including World Champions Mick Fanning, Layne Beachley, Mark Richards and Kelly Slater and is supported by the NSW State Government.

Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons. Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye. Guy Kawasaki on the Surf Mastery Podcast

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Welcome to Surf Mastery Podcast, where we explore the fascinating intersections of life, sports, and the pursuit of challenges. In this episode, our host Michael John Frampton sits down with Guy Kawasaki to discuss the joys and trials of picking up surfing at 60, his unique philosophy on parenting and life, and the profound lessons learned along the way. Guy Kawasaki is a speaker, avid surfer, and respected author. His notable works include The Art of the Start, Enchantment: The Art of Changing Hearts, Minds, and Actions, and Wise Guy: Lessons from a Life. He is well-known for his influential role as Apple's Chief Evangelist in the 1980s and his significant contributions to Canva. Beyond his professional achievements, his passion for surfing, which he took up in his 60s is a profound metaphor for life's lessons.Episode Highlights:Surfing at Sixty: Guy shares his inspiring journey of starting to surf at the age of 60, motivated by his children's passions. Unlike many parents who impose their hobbies on their children, Guy believes in embracing what his children love, leading him to take up surfing and hockey later in life.Parenting Philosophy: Guy discusses his approach to parenting, emphasizing the importance of supporting and engaging in his children's interests rather than directing them.Life Lessons from Surfing: Surfing has not just been a sport for Guy but a source of life lessons. He talks about the complexities and unpredictability of surfing, drawing parallels between managing waves and life's challenges.Humorous Anecdotes: From confusing directions underwater to humorous interactions in the surf community, Guy brings a light-hearted perspective to the challenges of learning to surf.Persistence and Adaptability: Guy reflects on the broader implications of persistence in surfing, comparing it to career and personal life, where adaptability and resilience are crucial.Insights on Book Writing: Discussing his concise approach to writing, Guy emphasizes the importance of distilling vast amounts of information into accessible insights, mirroring his practical approach to life.Key Quotes:"Rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let them determine what I should take up based on what they love.""The first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. Where else can you get this feeling?""You can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle. The same thing applies to life."Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Full Show Transcript:Michael Frampton: Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called 'Remarkable People', and he recently released a new book called 'Think Remarkable'. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki: I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton: Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki: Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton: It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki: What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up what I said that wrong rather than I take up what I could speak English. English is my first language rather than me forcing them to take up what I love. I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton: Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy my kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki: So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki: So I think.Michael Frampton: That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki: Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton: So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki: Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton: Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki: Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz was just who was coaching my daughter at the time. He definitely established the, should I say, pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton: Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed, Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Now has and if so how has surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki: Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Méniere's disease. Méniere's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear and hearing loss and so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton: Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki: I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave and stood up, it was magic. It was like Holy shit, this is like, where else can you get this feeling? It's like magical to be standing on a wave and somehow, like, you don't have to do anything like nature is pushing you forward. In my case 12 to 15 miles an hour. I mean and you don't need a hill to do that, like skateboarding when you fall on the pavement, it's a lot different than falling in the water. So, surfing is just magic. It's the most fun I think you can have legally.Michael Frampton: I agree, and so do all of our listeners. But it's also one of the it's also one of the most challenging things that you can. I mean have you is that's a good question. Is surfing the most challenging thing you've that you do?Guy Kawasaki: It is by far the most challenging thing I have ever tried to learn to do by far because there are so many variables. There's so many external variables and then there's your internal, there's like your body weight and your body type and your hip flexibility and, it's a very complex cerebral sport and I don't think people who don't surf, they don't appreciate how difficult it is because like basketball, you run and you jump in the normal course of life, right? I mean, ice hockey is like that, too. You don't skate naturally. I mean, that's something you have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn. So I think part of the attraction for me, for surfing is that it is so hard. If I became immediately good at it, the thrill would be gone but it's taken ten years. I like my dream. Everybody has to have a dream. Right. So my dream is to be able to take four steps and hang ten on the nose. Okay? In ten years, I'm now able to sometimes take two steps. So it's taking me five years per step. So I need another ten years to get the total of four steps. I hope I make it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Well, Jerry Lopez says that the first 20 years of surfing is just to test if you're really interested.Guy Kawasaki: I interviewed Jerry Lopez for my podcast, I know. I listened.Michael Frampton: Yeah. Great. You did a great job.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, it's a funny story. You'll appreciate this surfing story. So this weekend we went to a surf meet in Huntington Beach. And on the sidewalk at Huntington Beach, there's, like, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It's only the surfing Walk of Fame. And there's these, I think, brass plaques for these famous surfers. Right. So I saw Sean Tompson's, I saw Layne Beachley, and I saw Jerry Lopez, and I happen to know all three people because of my podcast. I sent them all messages and they all responded, yeah. Sean Tompson's response was, oh, they spelled my name right.Michael Frampton: Oh, cool. I interviewed Sean a while ago for the podcast and actually see quite a couple of similarities between the book he wrote in the book you wrote is in. You chose not to make it a three-page behemoth full of fluff. And it's such a good book. It's so succinct. And it's the kind of book I'd rather spend 12 hours reading a good book three times, then 12 hours reading a long book once.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, I hear you and one of the things I think about many nonfiction books is they take 200 to 300 pages to explain one idea. Right? So like you should you should make a prototype very quick with the minimum features and get it out there and then if it doesn't succeed, bring it back and change it fast. Well, I just explained a 300-page book about minimum viable product and pivoting. Right? I mean, what else do you need to know about that concept besides what I just explained in 10s?Michael Frampton: No, I really enjoyed your book. It's definitely one I'm going to go back and reread because it's so succinct.Guy Kawasaki: I want you to know that I am a much better writer than a surfer, just FYI.Michael Frampton: Has surfing taught you anything about other aspects of your life?Guy Kawasaki: Ah, listen, I could. I can interpret almost all of life with using a surfing metaphor. Right? So, one obvious one is you can sit out there in the water looking for that perfect wave all day and never turn and paddle and if you do that, I guarantee you will not catch any waves. Same thing applies to life, right? You can be waiting for that perfect company, that perfect product, that perfect service, that perfect co-founder, that perfect VC and you could, you know, try to make this perfect thing and then that means you will never do anything. Same thing as surfing. Another analogy I would say is that, yes, you try to pick the perfect wave and you turn it the perfect time at the perfect angle and all the perfect stuff. But I think one of the things I learned about surfing is that at some point you turn and burn and then you just need to make that decision, right? Even if it's wrong. Right? You just gotta compensate. You would like to be in the barrel on the face of the wave, but guess what? You're an idiot. You're in the white water, so make the best of it right. And that's another metaphor for life, is that, you got to make decisions, right?Michael Frampton: Yeah, you just kind of describe that in the book by saying, just plant many, many seeds because you're not you don't know which one will eventually eventuate and you catch lots of waves. that's the thing a lot. I've said before on this podcast is that when you watch, a surfing movie, you've got to realize that might only be ten minutes worth of surfing that you're watching but it took a surfer a year worth five hours a day of surfing to get those ten minutes worth of surfing.Guy Kawasaki: Yea. You can apply that to almost everything in YouTube, right? So on the YouTube when they show this is a guy hitting half court shots, they shot him for five hours to get him making a half court shot twice. Right. He just goes out and does everyone like that? Yeah.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Michael Frampton: And surfing is a lot about sort of being in the right place at the right time and when you look at your career, I wonder how much of that's true. in your career?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my career is more about being in the right place at the right time than it is about being in the right place because of my decision. Okay? I guarantee you that, I call this guys Golden touch, which is not whatever I touch turns to gold guys. Golden touch is whatever is gold guy touches.Michael Frampton: I like that.Guy Kawasaki: So, this is the equivalent of that in a surfing metaphor is sometimes and it's happened to me. Sometimes you just expect to get clobbered, right? And so you turn your back to the wave and you lean back because you're about to get clobbered. And somehow the wave catches you and you get a ride without even trying to get the ride. Yeah, I'm telling you, a lot of people join companies that they had no freaking idea what it was going to do, and they turned out to be millionaires. Like, I don't know, what's this company Google do? I don't know, they needed a facilities manager and I didn't have a job, so I went to work for Google. I was the first Google facilities manager and now come to find out, my stock is worth $50 million. Yeah. I'm so smart now. There have been waves I guarantee you, Michael. There have been waves that I caught that I didn't intend to catch.Michael Frampton: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton: That happens all the time. And then you sort of, you turn up to the beach and without even knowing it's going to be good and it happens to be good. There's, there's luck involved in everything.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah.Michael Frampton: How do you define luck?Guy Kawasaki: I think luck is, getting back to seeds. Luck is planting a lot of seeds, right? I mean, you don't get lucky by staying on the sand. You get lucky by being in the water. You got to plant a lot of seeds and then, even if you're lucky, you have to take advantage of that luck. So you can't be a dumbass. You can't be a lazy schmuck and luck comes upon you and everything just is automatic. Even being lucky, you need to work hard. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready. If your board is not waxed and you're not sitting in the water. Yeah, you could be the most lucky guy in the world. You're still not going to catch the waveMichael Frampton: Yeah. And you have to be sort of looking for those opportunities as well, don't you?Michael Frampton: Yeah, I remember reading a book about luck and they did a test where they left a $20 bill sort of in the corner next to a sidewalk. And 95% of people just walk straight past. But then the person that noticed it considered themselves lucky, but really they were sort of open to or just being observant and looking for those opportunities.Guy Kawasaki: So you're saying those people saw it and didn't pick it up or they didn't see it at all?Michael Frampton: They didn't notice it? Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Wow.Michael Frampton: That wasn't directly in the middle of the sidewalk. Obviously, everyone would see it. But, the corner of it's just sticking out and if you consider yourself a lucky person, then your peripheral vision is actually more likely to pick up on little things like that.Guy Kawasaki: I hate to tell you, but this is, it's a related story, not necessarily the same story, but I'll tell you something to this day. If I were walking down the street and I saw a penny on the ground, I would pick up the penny, I really would. I think that a penny doesn't make a lot of difference to anybody, but. Okay. But it's just the principle that you should never leave money.Michael Frampton: Yeah. No, I like that. That's a good metaphor, too. Like, if you're surfing in a crowd and a wave comes your way and it's. You probably should just take it rather than wait for the next one.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I have to say that, being deaf, I have a cochlear implant that's like, we can do this interview, but you can't wear a cochlear implant in the water. So being deaf in the water, there are some advantages to that. So like number one, Jerry Lopez says you should never be talking in the lineup. You should always be focused on surfing. Well, I hardly talk in the lineup because I cannot hear. So there's no sense talking, so that helps. And then let's just say that like every other kook in Santa Cruz, I drop in on people, okay? And then when they yell at me, I cannot hear. It doesn't bother me at all. They can yell all they want. I don't even hear.Michael Frampton: Interesting. I wonder, do you think that there could be an advantage? Because then, you know it is an advantage.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. Because like, if I heard the person yelling at me and telling me to go f myself, then it would get in my head and I'd be pissed off and there'd be an argument. And who knows where that would lead? But now I just like, I'm deaf. I literally people have been like, jabbering at me and I said I'm deaf. I don't know what you're saying. I just paddle away. So if anybody's listening to this from Santa Cruz and you yell at me and I ignore you, that's what's happening.Michael Frampton: Do you sometimes purposely take it out, when you're doing other things to increase your focus?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, my implant?Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: No, i am blessed with a form of OCD that when I get focused on something, whether it's writing or editing or, anything like that. I can be anywhere. I can be in the middle seat of Southwest Airlines in row 35, and I can concentrate. It's not a matter of what I hear, so I never have to do that. Ijust lose touch with reality. It's the same thing when I speak, I have gone on stage with a migraine headache. I've gone on stage feeling sick but it just takes over me. And I'm just, like, in a zone. Deshaun Thompson zone.Michael Frampton: Have you always been like that or is that something that you've had to work on and foster?Guy Kawasaki: I can't remember. I think it just comes with repetition. I don't think I was born like that. I don't think anybody is born like that, but I certainly have it now.Michael Frampton: Is there a bigger picture behind that though? Like, is there a driving force that sort of allows you, to keep trudging forward?Guy Kawasaki: Well, for a while, I have four kids, so for the longest time my motivation was four tuitions. Now, as of next week, only one tuition will be in play, so that has reduced the pressure. But I guess I am just driven. I have a high need for achievement. Like this podcast, I do 52 episodes a year with no revenue,Guy Kawasaki: On paper you'd have to say, Guy, why do you do that? Why do you kill yourself doing a podcast? And I'm just driven. It's just driven by achievement. And in a sense, the same thing applies for surfing. For me, I do a lot of dry land training and stuff because I'm 60. I got to catch up, right? So I can't just get out there and automatically assume everything's going to work. So, the secret to my success in life, surfing, or to the extent that I am successful in surfing, the secret to my life is grit. I am willing to outwork anybody.Michael Frampton: There's also if you're doing dry land training, then there's a lot of podcasts as well. There's a lot of preparation that goes into that.Guy Kawasaki: Yep. Nobody can out-prep me.Michael Frampton: Oh, okay.Michael Frampton: I'm interested to know what does your dryland training for surfing look like?Guy Kawasaki: Oh, okay. I could do even more, but, I practiced pop-ups. I'm trying to constantly increase flexibility. I do more than anybody I know, but I know I could do so much more. It's just that in the last year or so, this book has just taken over my life, too. But, I'm telling you, I am going to hang ten. I'm going to hang ten and then I'm going to drop dead right after that and everything will be fine.Michael Frampton: Oh, funny.Guy Kawasaki: They're just going to get, I've seen them take dead bodies off the beach at Jax and the fire department comes and they put you in a little one of those. Is it a sleigh? What do they call it? One of those baskets. They bring the dead body up from the cliff in a basket, that's all. They're going to take me out of Jax, okay?Michael Frampton: You're die-happy then?Michael Frampton: Death on the nose. Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: He was so shocked. He hung ten. He had a stroke and died.Michael Frampton: Yeah, well.Michael Frampton: You get the right wave, get the right board. You'll get there for sure. It's a good goal.Guy Kawasaki: I have to tell you, though, it's much more likely that I, apparently hit my head on the ground and drowned then I hang ten on my last ride.Michael Frampton: Oh, I've got a feeling that you'll get there.Guy Kawasaki: Well, yeah, I hope so.Michael Frampton: So out of all you've done so many podcast episodes, like over 200, is there any is there any commonalities between all of these guests?Michael Frampton: Oh yeah.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, the commonality with 250 episodes reduced to. Yeah, that's 5000 pages of transcripts, so that 5000 pages of transcripts has come down to 170 pages in a book. There's a lot of commonality and the lessons of the book reflect the commonality and at the highest level, the commonality is that to be remarkable, you need to have a growth mindset. You need to be willing to pay the price and be greedy and finally, you need to be gracious to be remarkable and that just happens over and over again with those 250 guests.Michael Frampton: How do you how do you define grit?Guy Kawasaki: Grit is the ability to do something when you are not necessarily getting positive results and nor do you necessarily enjoy it, but you just are willing to pay the price.Michael Frampton: So, is there an element of faith or hope that goes with that? or delusion?Michael Frampton: In my case, it's a delusion with surfing.Guy Kawasaki: But you know what? One thing I figured out is it doesn't matter why you're gritty. It's just that you're gritty. You could be stubborn. You could be OCD, you could be delusional. You could be whatever. But as long as you just keep putting it out, that's all that matters.Michael Frampton: Okay, and then grace, how do you define grace?Guy Kawasaki: Grace is when you come to this realization that you are successful in life, and you are fortunate because there are teachers and coaches and mentors and bosses. There are people who opened the door for you and because somebody opened the door for you, you should open the door for somebody else. So it's a sense of moral obligation to the world to pay back society.Michael Frampton: Okay, how would you define grace in the surfing world?Guy Kawasaki: I could. Okay, I yeah. I could tell you some really great stories here. So at 38, there are some surfers who are really quite good. I would love to be as good as them. And they are so good that they can catch a wave and they can surf the whole face. They can catch it in front of Jack's house, and they could go all the way to like Purves or to like practically the hook, right? They can take the face the whole way, and some of them do and you know what? When you're at Jack's and there's a lot of beginners and novices, there are lots of people who are going to catch the wave and get in your way on the face and that's just the way it is at Jax. Jax is for kooks and beginners, right and so these really good surfers, they can take the whole face and they get really pissed off with people and they yell at people and they scream and they push people off and all that, and I just don't understand that and believe me, I've been one of those people who've been pushed and yelled at and what I don't understand is like, okay, if you are so freaking good, go to first or second or go to the hook, but you're just trying to be a big dog in this little shit pond.Guy Kawasaki: So like, what is your problem? and like, everybody's out there, they're just trying to have a good time, learn how to surf, catch a few waves. So like what? Why are you being such an asshole? Then it's like, Guess what? There's nobody from the WSL sitting up on the East cliff looking for people for the WSL. So I hate to tell you, I can drop in on your face and I'm not going to affect your professional surfing career, so just shut up and go to second or first. That's my attitude. They completely lack grace and I have a theory that the better you are, the more gracious you are. It's the middle ground, right? So when you're really a beginner and lousy, you don't know what the hell you're doing. When you get kind of good, that's when you figure, I'm the big dog. I can get the face, I can hang ten, I can do cutbacks and all that. But then when you get really, really good, you say, I want to help other people enjoy surfing. And I'm going to help them and coach them and encourage them. You don't yell at them. The really good surfers don't yell at you.Michael Frampton: Yeah, I love that definition and I totally agree. Yep. Joel Tudor is famous for saying that the ultimate goal is Skip Frye.Guy Kawasaki: Skip Frye was like that?Michael Frampton: He still is.Michael Frampton: He's still out there surfing every day. He's in his 80s and he just glides gracefully along on his.Guy Kawasaki: But does he yell at somebody if a kook dropped in on him? No.Michael Frampton: No, of course not.Michael Frampton: He's been surfing so long that you just wouldn't. I think sometimes surfers also, I think a graceful surfer has the sort of demeanor about them that just you would feel bad dropping in on them because they're so graceful and they're not taking every wave. Does that sort of make? Yeah.Michael Frampton: But if you're out there trying to take every wave and yelling at people, you're actually more likely to get dropped in on again and again and again. So thank you. Thank you CCTV.Guy Kawasaki: Oh, God.Michael Frampton: I think part of this is a lot of those people, they surfed, 20, 30 years ago when there just was one-tenth of the amount of people in the water, and they kind of expect it to be like that still, even though you're right, you're right. They can go for it. They can drive half an hour and go somewhere else where it's more difficult and where there are less people.Guy Kawasaki: Half an hour, they could paddle 500 yards to the right and they could be someplace else like that, but I think a lot of those people, they realize that, at Jax, they stand out, but if they went to first or second, they would be at the bottom of the pile again. Right? And they would be yelled at not doing the yelling and they cannot adjust to that.Michael Frampton: So yeah, that doesn't feed their ego.Guy Kawasaki: Yeah. The second peak is my Mavericks.Michael Frampton: That's. yup, Okay.Michael Frampton: So that's Grace, and well, I quite like how you've defined compassion as a combination of empathy and grit. I really liked that definition. Can you speak a bit more on that?Guy Kawasaki: Well, the empathy part is easy, right? I mean, when you think of compassionate people, they can empathize. They can feel what you're feeling. They can understand, they can relate right, but the difference between empathy and compassion, I think, is that you want to go from empathy to compassion, which is the higher level. It means that you not only feel for the other person, you're actually do something. So a compassionate person does something and an empathetic person just feels something and that's the difference.Michael Frampton: Yeah. That's. So it comes back to doing again.Guy Kawasaki: Yep.Michael Frampton: Yeah.Guy Kawasaki: That's a recurrent theme in my books.Michael Frampton: Yeah. And I also really liked your Ikigai. You sort of, I like how you reframed that.Michael Frampton: Sort of do what you love, right?Michael Frampton: And then be willing to improve to go push through the shit sandwich to improve, but also to not expect to get paid for it.Guy Kawasaki: Well, see, I think that, now listen. I am Japanese American, but I don't want to give you the impression that I spent 20 years studying with Buddhist monks, and I truly understand Japanese and all that because I'm just as American as Donald Trump Jr. But I'll tell you something that lots of people define Ikigai as you draw three circles, which is what you love to do, what you're good at doing, and what you can get paid at, and in the middle of those three is what your ikigai should be, because you can get paid, you like it, and you're good at it. I disagree with that definition. My definition is that Ikigai means that you are not good at it. You cannot get paid at it, and you may hate it because you're not good and not getting paid at it, but you still do it, and that for me is surfing, right? I'm not good at it. I love doing it. Sometimes I hate it and I'm never going to get paid for it. So if you're under those conditions, if you still surf every day, you could probably bet that it's your Ikigai or something you truly, truly love, because it's not because it's the money. It's not because it's easy. It's only because you love it.Michael Frampton: Yeah I really like that it's a good twist on, because I was very aware of Ikigai. I think everyone is nowadays. It's become quite part of pop culture, but it was a really good reframing. I really liked that. Allan Langer.Guy Kawasaki: The psychologist.Michael Frampton: Yes. How did she change your perspective on things?Guy Kawasaki: Okay, so Ellen Langer. She made a brilliant observation to me that we spend so much time trying to make the right decision, but what we should do is make our decisions right, and going back to that surfing analogy. So, yeah, spend your whole life or the whole session in the water trying to make the right decision, but what you should really do is turn and burn and make that decision right, which means that you can compensate by turning the board or paddling harder or softer or, popping up, fading and then going right, or who knows, right? But Ellen Langer is all about, yes, take your best shot but then make your decision, right, and I think that is a very good prescription for how to lead a remarkable life. You've got to make your decisions right.Michael Frampton: Do you mean by that, as in, once you've made a decision to accept it and sort of trust that, it is right?Guy Kawasaki: Well, I don't know about trust, but, I think the reality is that you never can make the exact perfect decision because the future is unknowable and there's so many variables. So I'm not saying that if you got married to somebody and that person is physically abusive? I'm not saying stick in the marriage and make the decision right? Okay. There are some things. There are limits to these things right, but to think that the grass is always greener and to think that, perfection lies in the next wave, not this one. I think that's suboptimal. At some point, you just got to make it right.Michael Frampton: Yeah, so it's kind of about being present really.Guy Kawasaki: Yes. Yes.Michael Frampton: Yeah, interesting. Is meditation part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, no. Like, Marc Benioff in his interview talked about meditation and all that. I don't have time for meditation, right? I'm a doer. I'm not a meditator. What can I say? Hmm. Maybe I should meditate more. Maybe I could hang ten.Michael Frampton: I would argue that you said yourself, earlier that even in the middle seat, in cattle class on an airplane, you have the ability to focus on something.Michael Frampton: Yes, Most people meditate in order to get more of that, I think.Guy Kawasaki: Well, then I was born with it.Michael Frampton: Yeah. You're lucky. I see the statue in the background and is Buddhism part of your life?Guy Kawasaki: No, it's just I am in a closet that I've made into a sound studio, and I wanted to have an interesting background. So, I have tried dozens of things I like. I have this lamp, I have this fake flower. I have fake flowers. I have the lamp, I have bamboo, I have vases, I've tried all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm constantly experimenting to get, like, you have that surfboard back there, but I don't have space for a surfboard.Michael Frampton: So you're a little bit of an interior designer.Guy Kawasaki: You know what? I don't want to tell you how many hours I have spent trying to make a good background, putting all this soundproof foam, getting this stuff here, like, it would probably be measured in days, in days.Michael Frampton: Oh, no. It's a good thing. I think it looks good and, your voice is coming across with no echo. So, well done.Guy Kawasaki: Well, I once spent a few weeks trying to make sure that the video and audio were perfectly synced because I was getting a case where the audio was about two frames behind the video, and the way you test that is you do something like you clap and you see when your hands hit, and then you look and you see if there's a spike of the clap matching that exact moment right, and it wasn't. It was two frames off, and that just freaking drove me crazy, and then finally I found something that you can add frames of delay for the video or, I don't know, vice versa, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm a little nuts that way.Michael Frampton: Oh, you got to get that sort of stuff right though I think it does matter. Is that sort of a bit of a perfectionism that you speak about there?Guy Kawasaki: A bit. I'd say there's a freaking wheelbarrow full.Michael Frampton: If there was one message that you hoped someone got out of your most recent book. What is that?Guy Kawasaki: I hope people realize that it's not about deciding you want to be remarkable. The way it works is you make a difference. You make the world a better place. And if you make the world a better place, then people will believe you are remarkable. So it's not a which came first. It's just an order. You make the world a better place. People will think you're remarkable. So the focus not on being remarkable as much as making a difference.Michael Frampton: I love that. Guy. Thank you so much. Congratulations on.Guy Kawasaki: I might go surfing a second session.Michael Frampton: Awesome.Guy Kawasaki: Thank you.Michael Frampton: I'll have links to all of, everything of Guy in the show notes. Uh, thanks for tuning in, everyone.Guy Kawasaki: All right. Thank you very much for having me. All the best to you.Michael Frampton: All right. Thank you. Guy. Awesome. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Bye bye.

In a captivating conversation with Sadhguru, seven-time World Champion in Surfing, Layne Beachley explored a variety of compelling topics, from navigating inner turmoil to the transformative power of Inner Engineering, from mental health to the impact of technology on children, from joy to why people are drawn to Sadhguru, and much more. Conscious Planet: https://www.consciousplanet.org Sadhguru App (Download): https://onelink.to/sadhguru__app Official Sadhguru Website: https://isha.sadhguru.org Sadhguru Exclusive: https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/sadhguru-exclusive Inner Engineering Link: isha.co/ieo-podcast Yogi, mystic and visionary, Sadhguru is a spiritual master with a difference. An arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism, his life and work serves as a reminder that yoga is a contemporary science, vitally relevant to our times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a captivating conversation with Sadhguru, seven-time World Champion in Surfing, Layne Beachley explored a variety of compelling topics, from navigating inner turmoil to the transformative power of Inner Engineering, from mental health to the impact of technology on children, from joy to why people are drawn to Sadhguru, and much more. Conscious Planet: https://www.consciousplanet.org Sadhguru App (Download): https://onelink.to/sadhguru__app Official Sadhguru Website: https://isha.sadhguru.org Sadhguru Exclusive: https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/sadhguru-exclusive Inner Engineering Link: isha.co/ieo-podcast Yogi, mystic and visionary, Sadhguru is a spiritual master with a difference. An arresting blend of profundity and pragmatism, his life and work serves as a reminder that yoga is a contemporary science, vitally relevant to our times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All that Glitters is back with some of our favourite conversations from the archives! Layne Beachley learnt a lot from winning 8 world surfing titles and breaking new ground for female athletes, but some of the biggest learnings happened when she finally became still and listened. Layne has sat through pain and discomfort and my goodness, has she grown through that experience.  I absolutely loved this chat with Layne. So many moments when I reflected on what she said and had a wave of recognition wash over me.  You can follow Layne @laynebeachley, and find out more about her at www.laynebeachley.com and the Awake Academy at www.awakeacademy.com.au Libby x Hosts: Libby Trickett Instagram: @beingsportish Website: www.sportish.com.au  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Triple M Nights, Chris Isaak sits down with Gleeso to delve into his eagerly anticipated Australian tour this April, sharing his excitement about returning to the Australian coastline. The renowned American musician, celebrated for his unique blend of rockabilly, blues, and surf rock, opens up about his enduring friendship with Layne Beachley and their plans to catch some waves together whilst he's in the country. Isaak, with a career spanning over three decades, reveals the secret sauce to his longevity in the music industry - a relentless passion for singing that has not waned since he was 13. The episode takes a nostalgic turn as Isaak recounts a humorous encounter with Gleeso on 'The Footy Show' in 1995, alongside a memorable anecdote about ejecting Sting from his dressing room. Listeners will get an intimate look into Isaak's musical influences, nurtured by his parents' eclectic record collection, and how everything except the jazz records was played to its last groove. From his breakthrough album "Silvertone" to the iconic "Wicked Game" and beyond, Isaak discusses his musical journey, his Australian connection, and his unyielding love for authentic, soul-stirring music.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to another exciting episode of Energetic Radio! In this snippet episode, host Dale Sidebottom chats with the incredible Layne Beachley, a 7-time world surfing champion and pioneer for women in sports. They delve into Lane's journey to success, discussing how she overcame criticism, backlash, and the challenges of a male-dominated sport. Layne shares valuable insights about clarity of vision, building a dream team, and taking action to achieve success. She reflects on her experiences and lessons, offering practical advice applicable to any profession. Join us for an inspiring conversation with Layne Beachley on episode #325 of Energetic Radio!

"Some of us choose to become victims, while others choose to become victors". Layne Beachley's path to success hasn't been an easy one. The seven-time world surfing legend embraced setbacks and used them to propel her growth - including adoption, mental illness and life-threatening injuries.  Layne opens up to Ant about her life lessons, loss and inspirational legacy. LINKS Find out more about The Awake Academy at awakeacademy.com.au Follow Layne Beachley on Instagram @laynebeachley Follow Ant on Instagram, X, and Facebook Learn more about Ant on his website antmiddleton.com Follow Nova Podcasts on Instagram for videos from the podcast and behind the scenes content – @novapodcastsofficial. CREDITSHost: Ant MiddletonEditor: Adrian WaltonExecutive Producers: Anna Henvest & Edwina StottManaging Producer: Elle BeattieSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's episode of the Greatest Stories Never Told will be read by the award winning surf journalist and author of In Deep: The Collected Surf Writings, Matt George.  Purchase the book here...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Our guest today knows a lot about resilience, in fact 7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.”  David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, calls her a “badass.” Whatever you call her, Stacey COPAS is resilient. Left a quadriplegic and needing a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, she did not let this tragic accident slow her down. She has used her life experience to help organisations (such as Viacom, GM Holden and Flight Centre)  & their people be more engaged, mentally resilient and productive.   Stacey Copas shared in this episode: How To Be Resilient How she got her life back on track after becoming a quadriplegic at aged 12 How change is getting faster. How building resilience is about building capacity, so when something challenging happens you can take it on, and grow and become stronger. Don't ‘Go through' challenges, ‘Grow Through' challenges. Rituals you can put in place to build resilience and capacity to deal with future challenges. Gratitude, don't make the practise a chore and obligation - use mantras and say “thank you for the opportunity to be who I am, where I am, with what I have at this moment in time” How to use mantras when you are in an un-resourceful state during the day Why you should journal every day using this sentence:  “Today I had the opportunity to…” because ithelps you find the highlights of the day. Why it is important how we describe situations - how we describe it is how we experience it.  Change the way you describe it and feel differently. Stacey's Life-changing question:  “How does it get any better than this?” What if? (positive not negative) “When nothing is certain, anything is possible”  Uncertainty is exciting, see it as possibility and opportunity. And much more…    Resources Mentioned In The Show: Her website: StaceyCopas.com Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceycopas/?originalSubdomain=au Her book How To Be Resilient: https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Resilient-Blueprint-Getting/dp/0646940503#:~:text=Book%20overview&text=The%20principles%20outlined%20in%20this,the%20rest%20of%20her%20life. Dain Heer, Being You Changing The World: https://www.amazon.com/Being-You-Changing-World-Hardcover/dp/1634930908 If you would like more insights on profit maximization for your business, visit www.ProfitHive.com.au  

Presented by Quiksilver Lipped Foreign Correspondent is an all new series featuring solo Harry Mann in Bali. Bali has long been an epicentre of global surfing and a stop on all travelling surfers hit lists.  With this in mind Harry will look to catch up with an eclectic mix of surfers and characters in the new Lipped Indo headquarters. First cab off the rank is Matt George.  Surfer, writer, Hollywood star - curious human.  Matt chats about coming to Bali, stories from his new book In Deep, why womens surfing is the cats pyjamas, what's wrong and right with surfing and gives Jimmy some advice on running comps in wave pools. Plenty of Dragon Luma Lens highlights and look for a bonus reading of his Layne Beachley story later this week. It's fuelled by Heaps Normal (and some Island Brewing beers) and supported by Surfboard Empire.

On Episode 357 of The No Limits Selling Podcast, we have Stacey Copas. 7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.” David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, called her a “badass.” Whatever you say, she is resilient. She was left quadriplegic and needed a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, but did not let this tragic accident slow her down. Instead, she used her life experience and personal philosophies to work with organizations that want their people to be more engaged, mentally resilient, and productive so that they can grow through uncertainty and change. She's the author of “How to be Resilient” and I've been featured by Financial Review, ABC radio, and The Australian, and hired by global organizations such as Viacom, GM Holden, and Flight Centre for her insights on resilience in the workplace. Find Stacey Copas: LinkedIn, Website [EDITOR'S NOTE: This podcast is sponsored by No Limits Selling. It is a fun, fast-paced podcast that delivers hard-fought business advice that you can implement today to improve your sales and performance] Interested In Our Real Estate Coaching Services? Explore Our Website: Link Feeling Not Well Today? You Can Use Our Mindset Boosters App To amp Up Your Mood: Link Find us on Social Media:   LinkedIn | Facebook community | Instagram Like what do you listen to? Subscribe to our podcast! Ready to become fearless? We can help you become fearless in 60 days so you accomplish more in your career Schedule A 15 min Call with Umar

In 2021 I was joined by Layne Beachley, the most successful female surfer in history. In this episode of Better Make it Quick, Layne and I talk about how she used exposure therapy whilst surfing the big ways to get rid of her fear, her marriage to INXS band member Kirk Pengilly and the illusion that follows females in competitive surfing. Got suggestions for Better Than Yesterday? I'd love you to get involved in our listener survey! https://podcastsurvey.typeform.com/osher Stay up to date by joining the mailing list here: Osher Günsberg - Better Than Yesterday Podcast | Linktree Anything else? Come visit us on discord. Join the oshergünsberg Discord Server! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

7 times world surfing champion Layne Beachley dubbed her the “Queen of Resilience.” David Goggins, arguably the world's toughest man, calls her a “badass.” Whatever you call her, Stacey Copas is resilient.Left a quadriplegic and needing a wheelchair after a devastating accident when she was 12, she did not let this tragic accident slow her down. Instead, she used her life experience and personal philosophies to work with organizations that want their people to be more engaged, mentally resilient, and productive so that they can grow through uncertainty and change. She is the author of “How to be Resilient” and has been featured by Financial Review, ABC radio, and The Australian, and hired by global organizations such as Viacom, GM Holden, and Flight Centre for her insights on resilience in the workplace. In this episode, Ivonne & Stacy talked about: Distractions detouring people from purposeThe increase in fear since CovidThe Younger generation unable to cope with mini disappointmentsThe constant need for praiseThe Epidemic of depression and anxietyThe Real pandemic of mental issuesThe Inability people are having for discomfortClaiming the power of who you are, of your resilienceAnd so much more...If you want to learn more about what Stacey is doing, follow her on social media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/staceycopas/Website: https://resilience.company.site/Watch on YouTube:https://youtu.be/UwZFPS4gils Podcast produced by Brilliant Futures Productions.Sponsored by Delaflor Teachings Int.

Join Timbo's Membership and take control of your marketing In her surfing career, Layne Beachley achieved this seven times, six of them consecutively, making her the best surfer the world has ever seen…. male or female. In this up close and personal one hour chat, Layne opens up about the one big shift she made in order to achieve her dreams. And fortunately, it's something we can all apply to both our own business and personal lives. Plus she shares a mountain of other amazing high-performance insights along the way. It's a fully-sick episode 634 of The (13 year-old, award-winning) Small Business Big Marketing podcast. A little more about World Surfing Champion Layne Beachley... Today you and I meet world #1 surfer Layne Beachley who's regarded as the most successful surfer ever! Layne's dedication to success saw her as the only surfer, male or female, to claim six consecutive world titles. She went on to win a seventh before retiring in 2008. In 2015 she was awarded the Order of Australia, the highest recognition one can receive for distinguished service of the highest degree to Australia or humanity at large. Amongst other endeavours, Layne is now Chairperson of Surfing Australia, and a motivational, keynote speaker sharing her stories about achieving success, overcoming challenges and maintaining a winning mindset. She's also the founder of the Awake Academy (use discount code Timbo for $100 off) which she describes as “a centre for self-empowerment, helping people detach from fear, take control and live a life they love.” Now I can hear some of you saying "But Timbo, this is a business and marketing podcast, what's with all the woo woo stuff?!” Well, you see, in my observations (and me included), there's too many business owners out there who find themselves losing motivation and direction in growing their beautiful businesses. This may show up as depression, anger, agitation, a lack of focus or in some other destructive way.  But the reality is, before we're business owners, we're all human beings, and that, my friend, is a much tougher gig than running any business! BTW, if that's you right now, please take care, and don't be ashamed to chat with someone at your local crisis support service. For us Aussies, that Lifeline on 13 11 14. I started off by suggesting to Layne that there seems to be a consistent theme developing on this show, with past guest and another world #1 surfer Shaun Thomson going off and creating a personal development business. What is it about surfing that encourages this? Businesses that make this podcast possible - Please support them DELL Technologies - Small business IT solutions Book Tim Reid to speak or emcee at your next business event   As always, thanks for your support. May your marketing be the best marketing. Timbo Reid P.S. Tell me what marketing is working for you - 0480 015 150.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There are 14 CT World Titles between Swellian Queens Layne Beachley and Steph Gilmore, and Layne believes Steph has the runs on the board, the God-given talent and the PURE UNHINGED GRIT to add another at the upcoming Rippy Woz finals at Trestles. Know this Swellians, when the six-in-a-row Manly Beach-based Immortal offers sage advice, WE LEAN FORWARD! Marinate in the experience, wisdom and absolute class of a true Australian surfing great. Ya just might learn something.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.