Podcast appearances and mentions of Jonathan Howard

In this episode of We Want Them Infected, Jonathan Howard, MD, and Wendy Orent return with another "Therapy Time" session, breaking down the latest controversies in public health, vaccine policy, and medical misinformation. They examine a recent Wall Street Journal documentary on the Great Barrington Declaration and discuss what they describe as the ongoing effort to rewrite the history of the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation explores the role of public health experts, media narratives, and the consequences of what they view as COVID amnesia. Jonathan and Wendy also discuss the growing measles outbreaks across the United States, declining vaccination rates, misinformation surrounding vitamin A as a measles treatment, and the broader impact of vaccine skepticism on public health. Additional topics include RFK Jr.'s influence over U.S. health policy, changes within federal health agencies, the future of vaccine recommendations, scientific funding, medical research, and the ethical questions surrounding global health decisions. Throughout the episode, they highlight the importance of frontline physicians, researchers, and healthcare workers who continue to combat infectious diseases and advocate for evidence-based medicine.     Episode Highlights The Wall Street Journal documentary on the Great Barrington Declaration and the debate over COVID-era policies Why Jonathan believes COVID's impact on young and otherwise healthy patients is being minimized The controversy surrounding the idea of herd immunity through widespread infection The American Diabetes Association controversy involving criticism of NIH leadership RFK Jr.'s role in public health policy and reactions from major medical organizations The resurgence of measles and what declining vaccination rates mean for public health Misinformation surrounding measles treatments, including vitamin A The future of vaccine recommendations at the CDC and FDA Concerns over political influence in scientific research and federal funding The rise of unproven medical treatments marketed to vulnerable families Ethical debates around global infectious disease response, including Ebola The healthcare workers and scientists continuing to protect public health     Memorable Quote "The people taking care of Ebola patients are the bravest people in the world." — Wendy Orent     Resources & Articles Mentioned The Great Barrington Declaration The Wall Street Journal documentary on COVID-era debates The New York Times reporting on RFK Jr.'s leadership of HHS STAT News reporting on RFK Jr.'s health policy promises CDC reports on measles outbreaks in the United States Reporting on vitamin A toxicity linked to misinformation about measles treatments The Guardian reporting on vaccine misinformation studies Reporting on NIH funding and scientific research changes  

The FDA is bleeding out Covid contrarians. Marty Makary, Vinay Prasad, Tracy Beth Høeg—all gone. Jonathan Howard returns to discuss why so many RFK Jr's friends have reached the end of their bureaucratic road. Show Notes FDA Swaps Top Drug and Vaccine Regulators in Staff Overhaul F.D.A. Commissioner Marty Makary Resigns After Weeks of Pressure No One Should Care About or Trust Anything Dr. Marty Makary Says Ever Again My Sincere Message to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: Welcome Aboard and Good Luck. We Are Rooting for Your Success. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on We Want Them Infected, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unpack a whirlwind week in public health and pandemic policy. They examine newly released FDA findings showing no definitive child deaths linked to COVID vaccines, challenge claims made by former FDA officials, and discuss the growing controversy surrounding vaccine safety narratives. They also explore the fallout from leadership changes at the FDA, RFK Jr.'s latest public health moves, concerns about scientific collaboration restrictions, and the surprising response to recent hantavirus and Ebola threats. Along the way, they take a closer look at Jay Bhattacharya's evolving stance on infectious disease mitigation and what it may reveal about the realities of public health leadership.

This week on We Want Them Infected, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent take a step back from the headlines to examine the academics, journalists, physicians, and commentators who helped legitimize and elevate the MAHA movement. They revisit articles, endorsements, and public statements that portrayed figures like Jay Bhattacharya, Marty Makary, and Vinay Prasad as reformers poised to restore trust in science and public health. With the benefit of hindsight, they explore how those predictions have aged, what has happened inside major health agencies, and why accountability matters when influential voices help shape public opinion.

Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent call this week their "Red Wedding": within days, FDA Commissioner Marty Makary resigned, Vinay Prasad was pushed out of CBER, Tracy Beth Hoeg was fired, and Senator Bill Cassidy lost his Louisiana primary. The hosts argue this is not a tragedy but a long-foretold collapse — a group of physicians who built careers as COVID-era contrarian podcasters discovering that running a regulatory agency is fundamentally different from posting about one. Howard works through the wreckage: Makary's reported approval of flavored nicotine products days before his ouster, the FDA's treatment of the rare disease community, the leaked memo claiming pediatric COVID vaccine deaths that career staff refused to sign off on, and the broader pattern of "regulatory whiplash" that drove the agency into dysfunction. The episode then turns to who is still standing — Jay Bhattacharya at NIH, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at HHS — and what Kennedy is reportedly doing to vaccines from behind the scenes via Martin Kulldorff's review effort. Throughout, the hosts return to a single thesis: the skills that made Makary, Prasad, Hoeg, and Cassidy famous during COVID — opinion, tweeting, posturing — do not translate into running institutions, and the medical commentators who vouched for them (John Mandrola, Adam Cifu) have lost any remaining credibility. Key Topics Discussed Bill Cassidy's primary loss and the cost of the Kennedy confirmation vote Cassidy's earlier vote to convict Trump after January 6 followed by his decisive vote advancing RFK Jr. as HHS Secretary. Howard and Orent's view that Cassidy's promise to "keep Kennedy in line" was hollow from the start. What Cassidy's defeat signals about Trump's grip on the Republican base in Louisiana — and the hosts' read that his lame-duck status may give him cover to block the next round of HHS nominees. Marty Makary's resignation and the "worst FDA Commissioner in 25 years" framing The Stat News piece characterizing Makary's tenure, and the reporting that flavored nicotine was the precipitating issue with Trump's tobacco-industry donors. Howard's counterpoint: Makary reportedly approved a batch of electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) on May 5, 2026 — the weekend before he resigned — undercutting the "principled stand" narrative. The pattern of selfie videos, public-facing performance, and what former FDA staff describe as hostile management of career scientists. Makary's pre-FDA record: the "medical error is the third leading cause of death" claim, Omicron as "nature's vaccine," "Omicold," herd immunity calls in May 2021, and the Nazi-bioweapon Lyme disease theory amplification. Vinay Prasad, regulatory whiplash, and the rare disease community How Prasad's stated preference for randomized controlled trials translated into rejection of rare disease therapies — and the disconnect between calling for RCTs on Twitter and the practical impossibility of running them for small patient populations. Right-to-try advocates, the libertarian wing of MAHA (Senator Ron Johnson), and why they turned on Prasad. Howard's point: Pfizer's halted COVID vaccine RCT in 50–65-year-olds is the case study — the trials Prasad demanded couldn't actually be enrolled. Tracy Beth Hoeg, the leaked pediatric deaths memo, and the Maryanne Demasi interview Hoeg's insistence she was fired, not resigned, and her interview with Brownstone Institute–adjacent journalist Maryanne Demasi. Her claim that the chaos at the FDA was "created by the media" rather than real. The memo alleging 10 pediatric deaths from the COVID vaccine that career FDA staff would not sign off on — and Howard's contrast with the J&J/thrombosis response, where nine deaths produced immediate, transparent action. Hoeg's role in the Denmark-style vaccine schedule rollback memo alongside Makary. The Makary–Prasad ZDoggMD clip on FDA "vindictiveness" — and the irony Audio pulled from a pre-appointment Prasad/Makary appearance describing the FDA as "erratic," "capricious," and politically pressured. Howard's read: every criticism they leveled at the Biden-era FDA describes their own tenure — political pressure from Trump, demoted career staff, inconsistent standards. The Peter Marks / Marion Gruber / Phil Krause booster episode reframed in light of what followed. John Mandrola, Adam Cifu, and the cost of vouching Mandrola's "Can We Give the New FDA's Leadership a Chance?" piece a year earlier — and the line about Prasad and Makary inducing companies to run proper RCTs, set against Pfizer's halted trial. Howard's account of an email exchange with Cifu following Cifu's visit to NYU — Howard's offer of a serious content-level conversation, and Cifu's decline. The broader "medical conservatives" project and what the hosts argue has happened to its credibility. Jay Bhattacharya, NIH, and the resignation letter from departing staff The letter from a senior NIH scientist on Bhattacharya's leadership — political termination of grants, deals institutions are making to recover funding, and Bhattacharya's silence. Howard and Orent's read on Bhattacharya's visible deterioration and his retreat into Great Barrington nostalgia. Kennedy's behind-the-scenes vaccine review and Martin Kulldorff The New York Times reporting (Christina Jewett and Sheryl Gay Stolberg) on Kennedy's vaccine inquiry being led by Kulldorff. Howard's pushback on the framing of Kulldorff as merely "a critic of restrictions and mandates" — and the 2020 record of his herd-immunity-through-infection advocacy, including his Stockholm "almost at herd immunity" claim in April 2020. The hosts' concern that the COVID amnesia project lets pandemic-era pro-infection figures re-enter regulatory power with their record sanitized. Casey Means, Surgeon General nomination withdrawal, and MAHA fracturing The withdrawn Surgeon General nomination and what it signals. The Robert Malone vs. Makary public falling-out over the unreleased pediatric deaths data. Why the MAHA coalition — held together by shared COVID grievance — is coming apart now that COVID has receded from headlines. Notable Moments On Cassidy: "He betrayed his oath as a physician, he betrayed the American people, and he's going down into the ignominious dust." — Wendy Orent On the Makary–Prasad–Hoeg trio: "The same skill sets that catapulted these guys to power — essentially being excellent podcasters — do not translate into leading a government agency of tens of thousands of employees that regulates 20 percent of the US economy." — Jonathan Howard On the legacy: "These guys are now cautionary tales for medical students. I would love to teach a course called 'Be the Opposite of Bill Cassidy, Marty Makary, Vinay Prasad, and Tracy Beth Hoeg.'" — Jonathan Howard On Bhattacharya: "His soul has been totally corrupted by the people who he teamed up with. You also see it in his face. He's not the same person that took the position." — Jonathan Howard References Mentioned in the Episode Stat News — "Why Marty Makary Was the Worst FDA Commissioner in 25 Years" Vinay Prasad's 2016 Stat News rebuttal of Makary's "medical error" claim David Gorski (Science-Based Medicine, 2016) — rebuttal of the medical-error-as-third-leading-cause-of-death claim Jonathan Howard, Science-Based Medicine — recent piece compiling Makary's COVID-era statements New York Times — Christina Jewett and Sheryl Gay Stolberg on Kennedy's vaccine inquiry Washington Post — "Ouster of RFK's Allies Tests MAHA-Trump Alliance" Ben Mazer, The Atlantic — on whether Makary and Prasad enacted lasting change Francis Lee — In COVID's Wake Alfred Crosby — America's Forgotten Pandemic Maryanne Demasi interview with Tracy Beth Hoeg MedPage Today — Makary and Prasad, "The Importance of Humility in Medicine" People Referenced Marty Makary — outgoing FDA Commissioner Vinay Prasad — former CBER Director Tracy Beth Hoeg — fired FDA official Senator Bill Cassidy (R-LA) — lost primary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — HHS Secretary Jay Bhattacharya — NIH Director Martin Kulldorff — leading Kennedy's vaccine review Peter Marks — former CBER Director, Operation Warp Speed Bob Kadlec — Operation Warp Speed David Kessler — former FDA Commissioner (referenced) Marion Gruber and Phil Krause — former FDA vaccine reviewers John Mandrola and Adam Cifu — "medical conservative" commentators Robert Malone — anti-vaccine activist Casey Means — withdrawn Surgeon General nominee Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) Representative Jake Auchincloss — opened FDA whistleblower line Art Caplan — bioethicist (retirement) Erica Schwartz — CDC Director nominee, unconfirmed  

Dr. Jonathan Howard (neurologist and author) and science journalist Wendy Orent return for another sharp, unsparing look at the state of U.S. public health policy. In this episode, the hosts unpack the surprise withdrawal of Casey Means as surgeon general nominee, her replacement by Fox News commentator and MSKCC breast imaging chief Dr. Nicole Saphier, and what the shuffle signals about the fracturing of the MAHA coalition. They dig into Saphier's contradictory record — pro-vaccine statements from 2020 and 2021 set against more recent anti-vaccine messaging, her supplement business (DropRx), and her now-deleted social media posts criticizing Trump and Elon Musk. From there, the conversation turns to the FDA's blocked publication of research showing the COVID and shingles vaccines are safe, the apparent role of former FDA vaccine office chief Dr. Vinay Prasad, and reporting that FDA Commissioner Marty Makary's job is in jeopardy. The episode also covers a small piece of good news — NIH program director Jenna Norton being reinstated after Jay Bhattacharya placed her on administrative leave for organizing the Bethesda Declaration — alongside disturbing developments: RFK Jr. clearing the path for minors to use tanning beds, and the militarized arrest of 78-year-old retired NIH scientist Dr. David Morens. Howard and Orent close on what the Morens arrest reveals about where lab leak conspiracy thinking has led American science and the rule of law. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard: Neurologist, professor, and author who writes prolifically on COVID misinformation and public health policy. Wendy Orent: Science journalist and author specializing in infectious disease, evolutionary biology, and public health. Episode Timestamps [00:00] Welcome and Atlanta weather check-in [00:35] Casey Means out, Nicole Saphier in as surgeon general nominee — what it signals about MAHA [01:30] Saphier's role at Memorial Sloan Kettering and her integrative medicine push [02:50] The 2021 WSJ op-ed with Marty Makary: a 10-fold error on pediatric COVID hospitalizations that was never corrected [06:30] Saphier's video opposing COVID vaccines for healthy children — and the framing of myocarditis as a fate worse than death [09:20] Saphier's earlier pro-vaccine statements from 2020 and 2021, and why MAHA now resents her [11:15] DropRx supplements: the surgeon general nominee's tincture business [12:30] Brandy Zadrozny's reporting on Saphier's book and her past criticism of the Plandemic film [13:10] Wendy watches Plandemic so you don't have to: Judy Mikovits and the anti-vaccine machine [14:50] CNN reports Saphier purged posts critical of Trump and Musk before her nomination [15:50] The most disturbing Saphier clip: 'DOGE is one of the greatest things to happen in U.S. history' while telling cancer researchers to 'just pause' [16:50] Harvard's November 2025 finding: hundreds of thousands of deaths from the USAID shutdown [18:20] Good news: Jenna Norton reinstated at NIH after Jay Bhattacharya tried to fire her over the Bethesda Declaration [19:30] Greg Gonsalves on scientists who cooperate with authoritarian science policy [20:10] FDA blocked publication of research showing the COVID and shingles vaccines are safe [21:30] Vinay Prasad: the censorship critic who became a censor [22:30] Why are these people opposed to the shingles vaccine? Howard and Orent on herpes zoster, strokes, and ophthalmic complications [23:50] New evidence: recombinant zoster vaccine linked to reduced dementia risk in adults 65+ [26:10] Marty Makary's FDA in chaos — WSJ, Bloomberg, and Politico reporting on a possible shakeup [28:00] Trump pressures the FDA to approve flavored vapes; ENDS authorization issued the same day [31:00] Makary's interview defending the Replimmune metastatic melanoma rejection — and getting caught in the contradiction [33:30] Who's really driving the FDA shakeup? Biotech investors, not patients [35:30] RFK Jr. clears path for minors to use tanning beds, and what dermatologists are saying [36:30] The arrest of Dr. David Morens: a 78-year-old retired NIH scientist, federal agents, tactical gear, and a strip-search [38:30] Lysenkoism revisited — what the lab leak conspiracy was always going to lead to [40:30] Closing thoughts and sign-off Key Discussion Points The Nicole Saphier Nomination Casey Means was withdrawn as surgeon general nominee and replaced by Dr. Nicole Saphier, head of breast imaging at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and a frequent Fox News medical commentator. Howard revisits Saphier's December 2021 Wall Street Journal op-ed with Marty Makary, which understated pediatric COVID-19 hospitalizations by roughly a factor of 10 because the authors did not realize covid.net data only covered about 10 percent of the U.S. population. The error has never been corrected. Saphier's pre-nomination digital footprint included pro-vaccine statements from 2020 and 2021 alongside more recent anti-vaccine content, criticism of Trump and Elon Musk that has since been purged, and a personal supplement line called DropRx. FDA Censorship of Vaccine Safety Research The FDA blocked publication of internal research finding that the COVID-19 and shingles vaccines are safe, with reporting suggesting Dr. Vinay Prasad's office was involved in the decision before he left the agency. Howard points out the irony: Prasad built much of his public profile complaining about scientific censorship, then engaged in censorship the moment he held FDA power. New peer-reviewed research continues to show the recombinant zoster (shingles) vaccine is associated with reduced dementia risk in adults aged 65 and older, even as senior officials downplay or block such findings. Marty Makary on Thin Ice Multiple outlets — the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, NOTUS, and a Rachel Bade scoop — report Makary is at risk of being removed as FDA Commissioner over conflicts with the White House and his handling of rare-disease drug approvals. The same day Trump publicly pressured the FDA on flavored vapes, the agency issued a press release authorizing new ENDS (electronic nicotine delivery systems) products. In a 15-minute interview, Makary defended the rejection of Replimmune's metastatic melanoma drug by attributing it to career FDA scientists, but the journalist surfaced earlier indications that the initial review team had recommended approval. A Rare Piece of Good News NIH program director Jenna Norton, a key organizer of the Bethesda Declaration, was reinstated after Dr. Jay Bhattacharya placed her on administrative leave. A judge also reinstated several FEMA employees in the same ruling. The Arrest of Dr. David Morens Federal agents in tactical gear and bulletproof vests arrested Dr. David Morens, a 78-year-old retired NIH influenza researcher and former aide to Dr. Anthony Fauci, at his home over allegations he used a private email account to discuss official business and avoid FOIA disclosure. According to reporting in Science, Morens was strip-searched, handcuffed, and driven roughly 65 kilometers for fingerprinting and booking. Howard and Orent frame the arrest as the predictable endpoint of years of lab leak conspiracy rhetoric, and as a clear case of selective political prosecution. Mentioned in This Episode Wall Street Journal op-ed: 'Should You Vaccinate Your Five-Year-Old?' by Nicole Saphier and Marty Makary, December 3, 2021 Plandemic (2020 anti-vaccine film featuring Judy Mikovits) Make America Healthy Again (book by Nicole Saphier) Harvard study, November 2025, on deaths attributable to the USAID shutdown Greg Gonsalves essay on Vichy scientists Bethesda Declaration Alyssa Finley, Wall Street Journal: 'President Trump's Marty Makary Problem' Bloomberg: 'Paranoia, Turmoil and Backlash Inside Marty Makary's FDA' Rachel Bade: 'Scoop: Makary's Job in Jeopardy as White House Considers FDA Shakeup' Liz Esely White, Wall Street Journal: 'Trump Pressures FDA Commissioner to Approve Flavored Vapes' Los Angeles Times: 'RFK Jr. clears path for minors' use of tanning beds, much to the dismay of dermatologists' Science: 'Guns and bulletproof vests: How federal agents arrested a Fauci aide' Brandy Zadrozny — reporting on Nicole Saphier

In this episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent break down the growing concerns around scientific censorship, COVID-19 misinformation, and the erosion of public trust in health institutions. They examine controversial claims surrounding vaccine studies, leadership decisions at the CDC and NIH, and the broader implications of political influence on public health policy. The discussion highlights debates over COVID vaccine efficacy research, the suppression of scientific findings, and the role of key figures like Jay Bhattacharya and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in shaping public discourse. The hosts also explore the resurgence of diseases like measles, declining vaccination rates, and the long-term consequences of weakened public health infrastructure. From academic freedom concerns to global health risks, this episode provides a critical analysis of how misinformation and leadership decisions are reshaping science, medicine, and public trust in 2026.   Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

So the director of The Descent totally shit the bed with his Hellboy remake, probably pissed off some producer, and has spent the last few years making direct to streaming slop. And the boys are going to talk about one of those! Neil Marshall returns to the podcast with a sexy wife/leading lady in tow and a bottom of the barrel Aliens rip off for the ages!The Lair (2022) is directed by Neil Marshall and stars Charlotte Kirk, Jonathan Howard, Jamie Bamber, Mark Strepan, and Hadi Khanjanpour.Music: “Fractals” by Kyle Casey and White Bat Audio

Michael and Ethan discuss the short story “Johannes Cabal and the Blustery Day,” by Jonathan Howard, while drinking Tamdhu 12yo Single Malt..In this episode:Shout-out to Jamie from the Chanhassen Total WineVery interesting Bluetooth headphone talkA short story is somewhere between a tweet and a novel, but closer to a tweetPutting the screws to MichaelFaust both is and is not a necromancerCabal both is and is not a D&D figureWhat is a homunculus? or, Ethan is Frankenstein(‘s monster)ed by Mary Shelley's FrankensteinFantasy Autism HeroMr Spock is the Star Trek guy, not Dr Spock, a distinction you need and Ethan doesn'tSome remarks on “chatty” prose styles and TV writingInevitable Lovecraft discussion, sorryConclusion: TV writing predates TVA third-person narrator can have an opinion (and a D&D alignment)Next time Michael and Ethan will discuss Jack Faust, by Michael Swanwick! Join the discussion! Go to the Contact page and put "Scotch Talk" in the Subject line. We'd love to hear from you! And submit your homework at the Michael & Ethan in a Room with Scotch page. Join us on GoodReads!Get on our Substack!Donate to our Patreon! MUSIC & SFX: "Kessy Swings Endless - (ID 349)" by Lobo Loco. Used by permission. "The Grim Reaper - II Presto" by Aitua. Used under an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License. "Thinking It Over" by Lee Rosevere. Used under an Attribution License.(Links to books & products are affiliate links.)

Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dig into the widening fractures inside the MAHA coalition — from Robert Malone's dramatic ACIP exit and UFO tangents, to Vinay Prasad's phantom "10 dead children" claim, Jay Bhattacharya's inability to fix literal broken windows at the CDC, and the ongoing search for anyone willing to run federal health agencies. A sprawling, unscripted conversation about vaccine science, institutional collapse, and the human cost of health misinformation. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard is an Assistant Professor of Black Studies and English at Yale University. His research and teaching broadly interrogate western ideas about race and nature while also exploring black expressive culture as an alternative site of ecological thought and practice. His first book, Inhabitants of the Deep: The Blueness of Blackness, undertakes a black ecocritical study of the “deep” as the diffuse subtext of African American literature. It argues that blackness dawns in Middle Passage as an ongoing inhabitation of the deep, which is most fully apprehended not as social death but ecological life. 

What if the reason a podcast sticks with you has less to do with what's said and more to do with what you feel while listening? In this Obsession Worthy Podcasts episode, the PMC cast and crew unpack Twenty Thousand Hertz's Hamilton feature to explore how intentional sound design shapes emotion, attention, and the overall listener experience. Led by Jonathan Howard and Ralph Estep Jr., the conversation begins with a breakdown of iconic moments like “My Shot” and the duel scene, then opens into a deeper look at how layering, reverb, silence, and even reversed gunshots are used with purpose to guide listener reaction. As these elements build tension and control emotional payoff, one insight rises to the surface: great podcasts are not just recorded, they are designed. The episode also turns practical, with takeaways on crafting stronger openings, building curiosity before delivering value, and using completion rate data to spot where listeners drop off so you can keep them listening longer.Episode Highlights:[01:56] What Makes the podcast, 'Twenty Thousand Hertz' Special[03:44] Hamilton Hook and Doorway Clip[05:27] Listener Reactions and Access[07:27] Sound Design Starts at Script[09:14] Intentionality for Podcasters[14:02] Training Your Ear for Sound[23:22] My Shot Breakdown Begins[25:41] Reverb and Immersion Explained[27:30] Expert Insight and Broadway Feel[28:26] Sourcing Sound Effects[29:17] Layering Emotion Through Music[32:10] Intentionality Lessons From Film Scoring[33:56] Clip Five: The Big Payoff[35:25] Engineering Audience Response[37:33] Measuring Impact With Completion Rate[41:37] Clip Six: Sound Controls Time[45:30] Silence Pregnant Pauses[48:15] Audience Reflections Manipulation Debate[50:26] Three Takeaways For PodcastersLinks & Resources: Twenty Thousand Hertz's Hamilton (episode)https://podcastingmorningchat.com/20khzThe Podcasting Morning Chat: ⁠⁠www.podcastingmorningchat.com⁠⁠Ways to Watch or Listen:⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.podcastingmorningchat.com/joinus/Meet the PMC Cast and Crew:⁠⁠https://podcastingmorningchat.com/people⁠⁠Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:⁠⁠www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠⁠⁠Book A Free Call With Marc: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallApplication To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcastingmorningchat.com/eval⁠⁠Join us every other Monday at 7 AM ET for the Obsession Worthy Podcasts:⁠⁠⁠http://podcastingmorningchat.com/owp/⁠⁠Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcastingmorningchat.com/clubhouse⁠⁠EPC3 Speaker Application:⁠⁠ ⁠https://empoweredpodcasting.com/speakersSend in your mailbag questions:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.podcastingmorningchat.contact/⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: https://podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b

In this week's Obsession Worthy Podcasts series returns and we break down an episode of Search Engine to explore what makes the show so compelling, and what the rest of us can learn from it as podcasters. Using their episode about Anthropic's Claude AI as our example, we look at how Search Engine pulls listeners in with emotion, builds curiosity by expanding the questions at just the right moments, and uses layered storytelling to keep people engaged from start to finish. Along the way, we unpack how mystery, tension, relatability, and deeper human stakes can make an episode far more memorable and binge-worthy.Episode Highlights:[00:05] Opening and introduction to the Obsession Worthy Podcasts segment[05:27] Jonathan Howard explains the concept behind OWP and the featured podcast[08:44] The host introduces “future nausea,” the uneasy feeling about rapid AI progress[15:58] How polarized opinions shape the public conversation about AI[18:14] A simulation shows Claude choosing blackmail to avoid being deleted[22:00] The deeper question: does AI reason or simply predict patterns[29:51] How human influence and bias shape the responses AI systems generate[33:32] Why an AI company hired a philosopher to help guide ethical behavior[43:48] The motivations behind AI development, from solving big problems to simple curiosity[49:49] Lessons podcasters can learn from the storytelling approach used in the episodeLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podcastingmorningchat.comMeet the PMC Cast and Crew:https://podcastingmorningchat.com/peopleJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Book A Free Call With Me: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallApplication To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://podcastingmorningchat.com/evalJoin us Mondays at 7 AM ET for the Obsession Worthy Podcasts:http://podcastingmorningchat.com/owp/Listen to Search Engine's, Mysteries of Claudehttps://pod.link/1614253637/episode/ZjZkZjU0MDYtOGFhNy0xMWYwLWE5MzEtYzMxMDljOTk4NWQ1 Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://podcastingmorningchat.com/clubhouseLearn more about Podcastthon:https://podcasthon.org/aboutLive on YouTube: ⁠http://podcastingmorningchat.com/joinusBrought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠⁠ https://www.podcastingmorningchat.contact/⁠⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Have you ever listened to a podcast and wondered why some episode openings pull you in right away while others take too long to get going? While Marc is out, Ralph Estep Jr. and Jonathan Howard lead us through an appreciation of Swindled and the storytelling choices that make it so effective. What starts as a close look at one show becomes a practical conversation about stronger intros, emotional hooks, and the storytelling devices that make listeners lean in. As the panel studies how the episode opens, the bigger lesson becomes clear: a strong beginning does more than introduce the topic. It sets the tone, creates emotion, sparks curiosity, and shapes the full listener journey. Along the way, this episode becomes a mini masterclass in how to open stronger, create emotional pull, and use storytelling devices with more intention.Episode Highlights: [01:38] Why Swindled works as an obsession-worthy format[05:20] Breaking down the long prologue and pattern priming[07:24] The host's deadpan delivery style[10:16] Audience reactions and emotional response[24:43] Setting up the receipts[29:48] Evidence-first storytelling and show notes depth[35:44] Why the episode structure works[41:57] Hooks, curiosity gaps, and belief flipsLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Book A Free Call With Me: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerSwindled: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-formula-nestl%C3%A9-boycott-of-1977/id1308717668?i=1000428016046Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠http://podcastingmorningchat.com/joinusBrought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

The most addictive podcasts don't just inform you, they make you feel like you're sitting at the table. In this Obsession Worthy episode, while Marc is out, cohosts Ralph Estep Jr and Jonathan Howard take the reins to lead a discussion on No Such Thing As a Fish and what you can take away for your own show. We break down why the banter works and how inside jokes keep people listening. We also talk about how the cast builds momentum with quick turns, clear roles, and a format that lets them cover a lot without feeling scattered. You'll hear why that “talking back to your phone” feeling matters, and how to create it without trying to be funny on command. The big takeaway is simple: you can experiment with topics, but your structure has to carry the weight. Then we try a fun “bring a fact” segment to test the method in real time.Episode Highlights: [01:18] Meet the panel[02:58] Universal doorways and why absurdity hooks listeners[07:07] Why controlled chaos creates energy[19:37] Listener talk-back moments and knowing your audience[21:18] How creators actually find their audience[24:03] Entertainment first as a guiding principle[32:50] Testing formats before committing[38:24] The fact challenge game begins[39:14] The origin of the word “podcast.”[44:05] The silence podcast debateLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Book A Free Call With Me: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerNo Such Thing As a Fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6NvXuWk4kRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠http://podcastingmorningchat.com/joinusBrought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

How do you turn an abstract idea into a gripping audio experience? In this installment of our Obsession Worthy series, we study “Colors” by Radiolab and pull out what makes its production so effective. While Marc is out, Jonathan Howard and Ralph Estep Jr. lead the conversation and show us why this episode works so well. We talk about how the opening hooks you fast, and how multiple voices weave together to keep you locked in. If you want your podcast to feel more immersive, this breakdown will expand what you think is possible with audio.Episode Highlights: [01:38] Why Radiolab's “Colors” hooks you fast with sensation-first storytelling[04:06] Clip one breakdown: Newton's extreme curiosity and the shocking cold open[07:46] Clip two: mantis shrimp vision and choir-driven sound design[11:52] Sound design and pacing: why the choir works and creates an “inadequate” effect[14:58] Clip three: searching for the so-called tetrachromat and building tension[25:47] Tetrachromat advantage and training your eye for nuance[29:57] When podcasts go too deep: pacing, length, and format concerns[36:19] Labels versus wonder and whether language limits experience[43:44] What makes the episode obsession-worthy, and why uncertainty works[47:46] Production value, music licensing, and resource advantages[49:46] Podcast takeaways you can apply and newsjacking Links & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Book A Free Call With Marc Ronick: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerRadio Lab https://radiolab.org/podcast/211119-colorsRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Many podcasters hit a moment where they start asking themselves, Should I be publishing more often? Today's episode kicks off with a mailbag question from co-host Jonathan Howard that opens up an honest conversation about episode release frequency and the pressure to do more. From there, we dig into why more episodes do not automatically lead to more growth and how increasing your cadence without intention can quietly lead to burnout. The panel shares guiding principles around consistency, listener trust, sustainability, systems, and personal capacity without pushing a one-size-fits-all answer. Instead, we focus on helping you think clearly about what makes sense for your show. Regardless of whether you are new to podcasting or an experienced host feeling the weight of doing more, this episode offers reassurance and perspective so you can make smarter decisions about your release schedule and actually stick with them.Episode Highlights: [04:35] Breaking news on Alex Sanfilippo's Facebook ban[06:40] Discussion on platform ownership and control[17:17] Mailbag Q&A on show release frequency[26:38] Sid's experience with weekly publishing[35:22] Examining systems and sustainability[38:19] Annual peaks and valleys in podcast listenership[44:04] Planning content around audience emotionsLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Book A Free Call With Me: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallAlex Sanfilippo's Facebook Account Banned by Meta: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7426653266471469056Podcasting Peaks and Valleys Question: www.reddit.com/r/podcasting/comments/1r06ukg/what_are_the_annual_peaks_and_valleys_for_podcastJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerUpcoming Evaluation Movies in a Nutshell: https://pod.link/1156902852/episode/ZjNkYzI4NDUtZDExMi00NTZkLThkZTQtNGFhZTY5NGRlM2Yz?view=apps&sort=popularityRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Great podcasts don't just share information. They guide listeners through an experience. In this installment of our Obsession Worthy Podcasts, co-host Jonathan Howard guides us on a close look at Hyperfixed to understand why some narrative shows are so easy to fall into and so hard to forget. Using this show as a case study, we explore how strong storytelling choices shape attention and keep listeners engaged from start to finish. We unpack what makes Hyperfixed obsession-worthy and how its design choices can spark new ideas for your show. This is for anyone who wants to tell better stories and experiment with structure, and our conversation might send you back to your own podcast with inspiration on how you can tell better stories. Episode Highlights: [01:46] Overview of the Hyper Fixed podcast[05:06] Discussion on narrative podcast storytelling[13:22] Building tension and emotional connection[17:51] The role of AI in storytelling[22:03] Curiosity loops and pacing[26:03] Initial takeaways and reflections[28:10] The role of the host in podcast success[28:39] Building curiosity and emotional engagement[32:37] Crafting intentional and impactful content[41:54] Super Bowl commercials discussionLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Hyperfixed:www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/two-birds-one-hundred-stonesApplication To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerBook A Free Call With Me: https://calendly.com/ironickmedia/freestrategycallUpcoming Evaluation Movies in a Nutshell: https://pod.link/1156902852/episode/ZjNkYzI4NDUtZDExMi00NTZkLThkZTQtNGFhZTY5NGRlM2Yz?view=apps&sort=popularityRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Today, we're asking you to rethink how you judge progress in podcasting. Is it really about choosing quantity or quality, or does the answer depend on where you are and what you're building? In this installment of our Obsession Worthy Podcasts series, led by co-host Jonathan Howard, we break down How I Built This, focusing on the Taylor Guitars episode. We look closely at how a strong cold open widens the audience, builds curiosity, and signals that a show is worth sticking with. From there, the conversation moves into systems, completion, and why finished work teaches you more than half-done ideas ever will. Hopefully, after hearing this, you'll consider the process and rethink what growth actually looks like when you're trying to build a podcast with staying power. Episode Highlights: [03:04] Flight delays and boarding frustrations[05:06] Customer service lessons from a travel experience[15:07] Obsession-worthy podcast series overview[26:15] The origin story behind Taylor Guitars[31:38] Balancing cold opens for video and audio[35:17] Why human stories matter in podcasting[43:53] The quality versus quantity debate[53:56] Taylor Swift guitar storyLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerHow I Built This: https://wondery.com/shows/how-i-built-this/episode/10386-taylor-guitars-kurt-listug-and-bob-taylor-from-3700-shop-to-global-icon/Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

The silence of MAHA influencers around the murder of Renee Good (and ICE generally) has been excessively loud. Yet that's expected from the coalition that voted for Donald Trump in order to install RFK Jr at this point. Many believe “health isn't political” while refusing to accept or acknowledge what their vote has empowered. Dr Jonathan Howard, a neurologist and psychiatrist at NYU Langone's Multiple Sclerosis Comprehensive Care Center, returns to the podcast to talk about MAGA's enablers in the MAHA movement with Derek and Julian. Show Notes MAHA Gave Us MAGA 2.0.  Remember the Enablers. Everyone Else is Lying to You: How our medical establishment weaponized doubt to spread COVID, normalize quackery, and undermine public health Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What makes a podcast worth coming back to again and again? What turns a single episode into something listeners want to sit with, revisit, and recommend? Today, we continue with another installment of Jonathan Howard's Obsession-Worthy Podcast series, using Song Exploder as a case study to explore what makes a podcast truly re-listenable. We take a closer look at an episode, breaking down Fleetwood Mac's Go Your Own Way, focusing less on the song itself and more on how the story is told. We explore how clear structure, intentional editing, and listener-first decisions build trust. We talk about why strong questions don't need to be heard to be felt, and how letting listeners experience uncertainty, decision-making, and emotional stakes keeps them engaged. If you interview guests or tell stories on your show, this episode offers a lasting reminder: obsession-worthy podcasts are designed with the listener in mind. Where could you let your listeners hear the moment something clicked?This episode includes brief music excerpts used for educational and commentary purposes. We do not own the rights to the music featured.Episode Highlights: [07:41] What makes this episode obsession-worthy? [11:31] Breaking down Fleetwood Mac's “Go Your Own Way”[22:12] An emotional opening and the songwriting process[28:00] Applying creative processes beyond music[30:09] Exploring song lyrics and personal storytelling[35:16] Storytelling elements in podcasting[41:01] Asking better questions and interview techniques[43:04] Podcast evaluations and community building[46:02] What's coming nextLinks & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: www.podpage.com/pmcJoin The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Empowered Podcasting Conference Course with Recordings: https://ironickmedia.com/courses/epc2025/Empowered Podcasting Conference 3: Use discount code ‘Podfest26' to get your ticket for under $200: https://empoweredpodcasting.comApplication To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerSong Exploder “Go Your Own Way” https://songexploder.net/fleetwood-macRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Jonathan Howard takes the wheel and leads us for a close look at another obsession-worthy podcast, Diary of a CEO. Why do some interviews stay with you long after they end? What makes a conversation feel human instead of rehearsed? And what happens when a host stops chasing the right question and starts listening for what's being said? Using a powerful episode featuring Simon Sinek, we revisit how trust, presence, and active listening create interviews that feel unforgettable. We unpack why great conversations aren't built from clever prompts, but from curiosity, and the courage to follow the moment. This episode is for podcasters and interviewers who rely on question lists and feel something's missing. You may find yourself noticing where you rush, where you steer, and where deeper moments are waiting if you slow down. You're not alone in figuring this out. We're learning it together.Episode Highlights: [01:45] What makes Diary of a CEO special[03:34] Intimacy and vulnerability[06:44] Steven Bartlett's interview style[15:12] Balancing exploration and focus in interviews[26:33] Asking the right questions[29:57] Leadership and loneliness[32:18] Strength found in truth[40:43] Serving your audience with intentionLinks & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Empowered Podcasting Conference Course with Recordings: https://ironickmedia.com/courses/epc2025/Application To Submit Your Show For Evaluation: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45U57S-XgoA/viewform?usp=headerPodfest: https://podfestexpo.comDiary of A CEO: How to Deal with Loneliness: www.youtube.com/watch?v=D46zvJI-njURemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Live on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠

Some podcasts become part of your routine not because they teach you something new every time, but because they make you feel connected. Jonathan Howard leads the charge, with commentary and real world examples from me and the rest of the team, as we take a close look at what makes a podcast truly obsession worthy. We break down the storytelling framework behind Normal Gossip and talk about why relatability matters more than celebrity, how listener participation turns an audience into a community, and why tone and emotional safety matter just as much as structure and format. This episode explores how stories build trust, how familiar rituals keep people coming back, and why creating space for shared experience often matters more than chasing metrics. If you have been thinking about how to deepen listener connection and build something people want to return to again and again, there is a lot here to reflect on.Episode highlights:[2:00] – Celebrating nearly four years of Podcasting Morning Chat[3:30] – Marc shares his upcoming Podfest talk on community-first growth[7:45] – What makes a podcast “obsession worthy”[9:01] – Breaking down the Normal Gossip concept and format[10:31] – Why audience-submitted stories create ownership and loyalty[14:46] – Gossip as storytelling, social data, and human connection[18:30] – Relatability as a trust-building strategy[21:31] – Asking better questions to deepen audience connection[23:24] – Sharing mistakes as a way to build credibility[26:04] – Why relatability beats celebrity every time[30:41] – The role of character development in bingeable storytelling[37:37] – Why rituals and structure make podcasts comforting and familiar[38:58] – Creating fandom, shared language, and community identity[41:49] – Ending with reflection, meaning, and emotional safety[44:23] – Storytelling as the antidote to AI-generated samenessLinks & Resources:Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Normal Gossip:https://pod.link/1597761181Empowered Podcasting Conference Video Recordings:https://ironickmedia.com/courses/epc2025/Podcasting Morning Chat:https://www.podcastingmorningchat.comRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here:⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Do you remember when Olympic figure skater Tonya Harding was accused of having her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly, injure Nancy Kerrigan's knee before the 1994 Olympics? If you lived through the 90s, this story dominated the news, and many of us formed strong opinions based on a narrative the media pushed at the time. That familiar story becomes the starting point for a deeper look at podcasting craft. Co-host Jonathan Howard, leads the team through a case study of You're Wrong About, using their 'Tanya Harding, Part 1' episode to examine where the show excels. We explore how the hosts balance deep research with a conversational delivery that keeps listeners engaged. We also look at how intentional co-host roles guide audiences through complex material without losing clarity. Strong podcasting is not about presenting more facts. It is about framing stories with care and purpose, so listeners feel invited to rethink what they know and stay engaged.Episode Highlights:[03:40] Preview of the upcoming podcast evaluation series[06:18] Introduction to the You're Wrong About podcast[07:33] First impressions, tone, and host banter[16:21] A deeper dive into the Tanya Harding story[27:29] Accessibility and discoverability issues within the episode[32:53] Empathy-driven storytelling and humanizing Tanya Harding[41:08] Media narratives and shifting public perception[49:26] Citing sources in show notes Links & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Empowered Podcasting Conference: www.eventbrite.com/e/empowered-podcasting-conference-tickets-1976757134803Upcoming Podcast For Evaluation: https://open.spotify.com/episode/44Mq04supW81rcuQeAVCB8?si=I-vp9camTrK0bvw1ZX6g6gYou're Wrong About Tanya Harding Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2CWRSZfApAThe Story Lab with Jonathan Howard: https://thestorylabpodcast.buzzsprout.com/To Have Your Podcast Considered For Evaluation, Please Complete This Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45UOur upcoming podcast evaluation, Shared Delights (Wedding Crasher): https://open.spotify.com/episode/1pfvQbyTC2J4j7f07RlgTb?si=DAciGVe4TRqSeyq5Glnb3wShared Delights Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/7kGzKPjX13q2r2j9G7MdDR?si=9fb17aeb1020497aRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

In this episode, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unpack what feels like a turning point for U.S. public health: the rapid erosion of scientific norms inside the FDA and CDC. Sparked by a leaked memo claiming pediatric COVID vaccine deaths, the conversation traces how unsubstantiated assertions, selective data interpretation, and performative outrage are now shaping vaccine policy. They examine the backlash from former FDA leaders, the misuse of safety databases, and the growing pattern of framing ambiguity as proof of harm. The discussion moves beyond COVID to show how this approach now threatens long-standing vaccines like hepatitis B—despite decades of evidence and dramatic reductions in disease. At its core, the episode argues this isn't about transparency or restoring trust. It's about power, spectacle, and ideology replacing evidence. When regulators prioritize narratives over data, the real risk isn't hidden side effects—it's the collapse of public confidence in the systems meant to protect children and public health. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Today, we're focusing on what podcasters can learn from shows that break the mold and still manage to form deep connections with their audience. Jonathan Howard continues our Obsession-Worthy Podcast series with a look at "Everything Is Alive," a show that turns simple ideas into emotionally charged, memorable storytelling. We explore how a strong creative constraint can open new doors and why unexpected formats can be effective when rooted in intention. We also weigh in on sound shaping emotion and creating space for humanity in any format, even the most unconventional ones. Episode Highlights:[04:10] Upcoming Podcast Evaluations  [05:43] Creating Jingles with AI  [13:08] Obsession Worthy Podcast: Everything is Alive  [23:27] The Impact of Music in Storytelling  [24:52] Accents and Character Choices  [28:07] Relating to Universal Human Experiences  [35:13] Breaking the Rules of Traditional Interviews  [42:03] Enhancing Listener Connection  [44:54] Creative Risks and Intentional Storytelling  Links & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠The Silent Partner with Dominic Lawson & Sid Meadows: www.sidmeadows.com/episode143Everything is Alive: www.everythingisalive.comTo Have Your Podcast Considered For Evaluation, Please Complete This Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8-Xv6O6lrNPcPJwj3N0Z5Osdl-5kHGz_PiAU45UPreview of our Upcoming Evaluation Carefree Highway Revisited: https://www.podbean.com/ea/pb-j6vtj-1961b14Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to the podcasting community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

This episode breaks down a moment most people aren't paying close enough attention to: the quiet collapse of leadership and process inside the FDA. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent walk through the sudden resignation of a widely respected career regulator, the internal turmoil left behind, and a leaked memo claiming child deaths from COVID vaccines—released without public data, peer review, or transparent methodology. Rather than debating vaccines in the abstract, the conversation focuses on something more troubling: what happens when regulatory standards erode, scientific disagreement turns political, and decision-making bypasses established safeguards. With career experts stepping away and unvetted claims driving policy discussions, the episode asks whether the FDA can still function as a credible public health authority—and what the consequences may be if it can't. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

What can indie podcasters learn from one of the most talked-about podcasts of the year? Quite a lot, actually. Today, Jonathan Howard walks us through why New Heights, hosted by Jason and Travis Kelce, keeps fans coming back…and what we can apply to our own shows, even if we don't talk about football (or engaged to Taylor Swift).From authentic emotional moments to naming your community, building recurring segments, and leveraging vulnerability, we explore what makes a podcast not just popular—but obsession-worthy.Episode Highlights:[00:15] Welcome Back: Thanksgiving recap & missing co-hosts[03:30] DR debuts a jazzy AI theme song using Suno [07:11] Ralph and Jonathan on creating AI-generated podcast music [12:10] Main Topic Intro: What makes New Heights obsession-worthy? [18:14] Clip: Brotherly bond & emotional storytelling [23:42] Clip: Jason Kelce breaks down after Super Bowl loss[27:24] Nick and Ralph share how vulnerability strengthens listener loyalty [31:26] Segment names and structure[33:06] The power of naming your audience (“92 Percenters”)[35:36] Clip: Listener shoutouts[38:50] Clip: Behind the scenes of the “92 Percenters” inside joke [44:20] Key takeaways[48:21] Can solo podcasters create the same level of connection? [53:11] Building familiarity through small, repeated momentsLinks & Resources:

Dr. Jonathan Howard and I discuss his new book “Everyone Else Is Lying To You”, about the academics and scientists who sold their souls for clout and Trump administration jobs during the pandemic.Find this episode on your favorite podcast player here:https://pod.link/1647010767/Here are some of the sources and references from this episode:Dr Howard's books are chock full of statements and receipts about the scientists and academics who sold their souls to “make Andrew Wakefield's dream come true”, as Dr Howard says. It'll make you extremely angry all over again seeing it all in one place like this.EVERYONE ELSE IS LYING TO YOU: How the medical establishment weaponized doubt to spread COVID, normalize quackery, and undermine public health.https://redhawkpublications.com/EVERYONE-ELSE-IS-LYING-TO-YOU-How-the-medical-establishment-weaponized-doubt-to-spread-COVID-normalize-quackery-and-undermine-public-health-p774121522We Want Them Infected How the failed quest for herd immunity led doctors to embrace the anti-vaccine movement and blinded Americans to the threat of COVIDhttps://redhawkpublications.com/We-Want-Them-Infected-p547021769Dr Howard on Bluesky:Comments? Suggestions? Email: griff@didnothingwrongpod.comDid Nothing Wrong is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.didnothingwrongpod.com/subscribe

What can podcasters learn from one of the biggest celebrity shows on the planet? While Marc is traveling, guest host Jonathan Howard takes the wheel to lead the PMC crew in a conversation about SmartLess, the hit podcast hosted by Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett.We analyze clips to uncover why the show's mystery-guest format works, how its chemistry keeps listeners hooked, and what independent creators can borrow from its “organized chaos.” We also discuss techniques for making guests feel at ease, building genuine connections, and balancing structure with spontaneity.Episode Highlights: [03:29] Smartless Format and Julia Roberts Clip[10:17] Adding Surprise Elements to Podcasts[14:25] Chemistry Among Hosts[21:38] Creating a Comfortable Environment for Guests[24:44] Balancing Professionalism and Authenticity[26:45] Messiness in Podcasts[34:19] Lessons from Smartless Links & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Smartless: https://www.youtube.com/c/smartlessRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to our community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

In this gripping Halloween episode marking the second anniversary of We Want Them Infected, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Dr. Wendy Orange confront the chilling reality of America under "Trump II." They dissect the collapse of public health, the weaponization of medicine, and the transformation of science into "Trump-Based Medicine"—a term Jonathan coins to describe physicians parroting political dogma over data.   The duo highlights interviews and statements by Vinay Prasad, Marty Makary, Jay Bhattacharya, and Martin Kulldorff, who now echo President Trump's pseudoscientific vaccine directives—like splitting the MMR shot and delaying Hepatitis B vaccines. They warn that this alignment with anti-vaccine figures such as RFK Jr. and Andrew Wakefield marks a dangerous regression that could undo decades of medical progress.   They also expose turmoil within the FDA, where Prasad's leadership has allegedly created a culture of fear, and discuss the growing exodus of scientists from federal health agencies. From declining measles vaccination rates to government loyalty tests, Howard and Orange paint a harrowing portrait of a nation sliding into scientific authoritarianism.   The episode closes with their sobering realization: despite years of warning, even they underestimated how dark things could get.         Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

In this rerun of episode #281, hosts Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh interview neurologist-psychiatrist Dr. Jonathan Howard, author of We Want Them Infected. Dr. Howard critiques the widely discussed “herd immunity via infection” strategy during the COVID-19 pandemic. He draws on his dual specialties and hospital experience at institutions like NYU Langone Medical Center and Bellevue Hospital to explore how public health policy, vaccine deployment, lockdowns, school closures, and early treatment approaches intersected — sometimes with unintended consequences. The episode highlights ethical questions around using children as vectors of infection, the tension between hospital frontline realities and broad public-health strategies, and the importance of open discussion in medicine rather than censorship. GET SOCIAL WITH US!

The countdown to the Empowered Podcasting Conference is on, and Jonathan Howard joins us to share a taste of his presentation on creating an Obsession Worthy Podcast. His opening challenge: stop being boring and predictable. Too many shows fade into the background because they never take risks or show personality. Jonathan reminds us that the podcasts listeners can't put down are the ones that feel bold, real, and alive. And that's only the first step! We go through most of them on the show, but six more are waiting for those who catch his talk at the conference. This preview offers inspiration and a practical spark for anyone who wants their podcast to be louder than the rest of the noise. Episode Highlights: [03:45] Seinfeld Podcast Clip[09:18] Creating Obsession-Worthy Content[18:15] Engaging Your Audience with Unique Content[30:35] Unpolished Content: The Heart and Soul of Your Brand[43:22] Mistakes Podcasters Make[48:41] Be Yourself: Authenticity in PodcastingLinks & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Get Your Tickets for The Empowered Podcasting Conference:www.empoweredpodcasting.comSeinfeld Podcast Parody: https://www.tiktok.com/@joeymulinaroThe Story Lab Podcast with Jonathan Howard: https://thestorylabpodcast.buzzsprout.comReally No Really:https://reallynoreally.comAmanda Yoa:https://amandayoa.com/podcastRemember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to our community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent open with the media's response to the Charlie Kirk murder, then trace a straight line back to early-pandemic narratives that normalized doubt and minimized harm. They dissect John Ioannidis' April 2020 claims (low IFR, asymptomatic majority, “they would've died anyway”), show how those talking points seeded Great Barrington-style “protect the vulnerable” rhetoric, and examine how today's figures—Jay Bhattacharya, Marty Makary, and RFK Jr.—reuse those frames to attack CDC leadership and rewrite history. The episode closes on the emotional toll of being dismissed in real time while morgues overflowed, and why remembering who amplified whom still matters. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.  The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

In this episode, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dissect the latest controversies around censorship, disinformation, and the rewriting of COVID's history. From Jonathan's YouTube ban after posting videos of public officials, to David Zweig's revisionist narratives about school closures, the conversation exposes how propaganda tactics and false claims are reshaping public perception.  They also highlight troubling developments at the FDA, NIH, and in political arenas where vaccine mandates are under attack, drawing connections between misinformation, free speech battles, and the erosion of trust in science. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.  The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

Today we have Dr. Jonathan Howard, who writes at Science Based Medicine, on to discuss his new book Everyone Else Is Lying to You: How the medical establishment weaponized doubt to spread COVID, normalize quackery, and undermine public health. It's all about a cohort of highly credentialed and elite doctors who spread grotesque disinformation about Covid from the very start of the pandemic, and kept doing so even as their predictions were repeatedly proven wrong. And now many of those people are in charge of America's public health bureaucracy, tearing it to shreds--when they aren't getting Jonathan's YouTube channel nuked by abusing the company's copyright policy. Why and how did they do this, and what might we do to stop this from happening in the future?

Taylor Swift just broke the internet again, and this time joining her fiancé, Travis Kelce, and his brother, Jason, on their New Heights podcast. At its peak on August 13th, over 1.3 million people tuned in live on YouTube, making it the most-watched podcast episode ever on the platform. The demand was so intense it briefly crashed at the 1:44 mark, and today the episode sits at more than 21 million views. Spotify also reported a 3000% surge in new listeners and millions of extra streams, proving the Swift effect is alive and well. Reflecting on this, we share our thoughts on what made the interview such a cultural moment, and we also explore what indie podcasters can learn from this media milestone. One thing is clear: this wasn't just a fluke; this was a calculated strategy that is making podcast history. Episode Highlights:[01:41] Taylor Swift's Podcast Debut[06:56] Impact of her Podcast Appearance[11:25] Discussion on Podcasting Strategies[21:13] Reflections on Celebrity Influence[31:48] Insights on her Content Strategy[35:56] Discussion on  Replicating Podcasting Strategies[44:51]  Building Connection Through Authenticity and Shared Experience[49:29]Reflecting on Podcasting's Future After a Landmark MomentLinks & Resources: Join The Empowered Podcasting Facebook Group:www.facebook.com/groups/empoweredpodcasting⁠Get Your Tickets for The Empowered Podcasting Conference:www.empoweredpodcasting.comNew Heights: https://www.youtube.com/@newheightshowWhat We Can Learn From Taylor's New Height's Appearance ('Story On' podcast by Jonathan Howard): https://bit.ly/47iTrC6Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and bring valuable content to our community.Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7 am ET (US) on ⁠Clubhouse⁠: ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w⁠⁠Or Join us on Chatter: https://preview.chattersocial.io/group/98a69881-f328-4eae-bf3c-9b0bb741481dLive on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/@marcronick⁠Brought to you by⁠ ⁠iRonickMedia.com⁠⁠ Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you!--- Send in your mailbag question at:⁠ https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/⁠ or ⁠marc@ironickmedia.com⁠Want to be a guest on The Podcasting Morning Chat? Send me a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1729879899384520035bad21b⁠

In this episode of We Want Them Infected, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unpack the shocking CDC shooting in Atlanta, which many are calling “public health's January 6th.” They trace how years of anti-science rhetoric from figures like RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, and Vinay Prasad have fueled violent consequences. They also welcome their first guest, Dr. Philipp Markolin PhD, author of Lab Leak Fever. Dr. Markolin shares his global reporting on COVID's origins, dismantles the so-called “lab leak” hypothesis, and explains how disinformation has been weaponized for politics and power. From epidemiological evidence at the Wuhan market to the ghost DNA of raccoon dogs, he outlines why science overwhelmingly supports a zoonotic origin. This episode tackles misinformation, political corruption, and the dangerous future of science under attack—while honoring the tragic loss of a young officer in the CDC shooting. Resources Mentioned Dr. Phillipp Markolin: Lab Leak Fever → https://www.lab-leak-fever.com/about STAT News article: “The CDC Shooting Was Public Health's January 6th” by Colin Carlson & Sean Kennedy STAT News article: “Kennedy's Case Against mRNA Vaccines Collapses Under His Own Evidence” by Dr. Jake Scott LA Times: Coverage of COVID resurgence in the Southwest, fall 2025 MedPage Today: “The Executive Order That Could Cripple Science” by Adam Brown Science-Based Medicine: Analysis of Jay Bhattacharya and NIH policy shifts Audrey Tang (Taiwan's Cyber Minister) – discussed as a model for democratic info ecosystems Guest Bio – Dr. Philipp Markolin Dr. Philipp Markolin, PhD is a Switzerland-based science writer and author of Lab Leak Fever, a definitive investigation into the origins of COVID-19. Trained in molecular biology and machine learning, Dr. Markolin spent more than a decade in academia before transitioning to science communication during the pandemic. He has written extensively on the intersection of science, conspiracy theories, and society, and has interviewed leading virologists, field researchers, and policymakers around the world. His reporting has taken him into wildlife markets and labs, where he traced the evidence that overwhelmingly supports a zoonotic origin for COVID-19. Dr. Markolin also co-produced a documentary film exploring the pandemic's origins and the scientists at the center of the controversy. He writes the blog Protagonist Science and speaks globally on the dangers of misinformation and the urgent need to protect scientific integrity. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.  The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

What happens when the loudest anti-vaccine voices stop podcasting and start running the FDA? In this explosive episode, Jonathan Howard and Wendy unpack how Drs. Marty Makary and Vinay Prasad — once champions of vaccine skepticism — are now in charge of public health policy… and finding themselves at war with the very conspiracy movement they courted. From quoting dubious anecdotes as “data” to downplaying real virus-related deaths while obsessing over vaccine side effects, their hypocrisy is staggering. Even MAGA influencers and anti-vax leaders are turning on them for not going far enough. The leopards are eating their faces — and we're here to document the carnage. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unpack the ongoing collapse of trust in America's public health institutions, focusing on how FDA leaders Marty McCarey and Vinay Prasad weaponized vaccine myocarditis to undermine COVID vaccination efforts. With pediatric illnesses rising and the agency under fire from both scientists and extremists, this episode reveals how selective concern and ideological doublespeak are fueling a dangerous breakdown in science-based policy. It's a sobering look at the cost of playing politics with public health.   Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

On this explosive Independence Day episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent unravel a sobering transformation in U.S. public health. With agencies like the ACIP and NIH now steered by politically motivated leaders like RFK Jr., Vinay Prasad, and Jay Bhattacharya, science is taking a backseat to ideology. They dive deep into the disastrous ACIP meeting stacked with anti-vaccine appointees, the chilling disinformation from NIH and FDA leadership, and the real-world impact—from cancer patients being denied life-saving clinical trials to families unable to access COVID vaccines. This episode is a powerful wake-up call for anyone concerned about science, truth, and the future of medicine. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

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In this explosive episode, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent confront the accelerating dismantling of America's public health infrastructure. They begin with the NIH staff revolt—documented in the newly published Bethesda Declaration—and Jay Bhattacharya's astonishing lack of awareness during Senate testimony. From there, they shift to RFK Jr.'s controversial appointments to the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), many of whom are tied to disinformation campaigns and anti-vaccine advocacy. The hosts expose the hypocrisy in the medical rhetoric of figures like Vinay Prasad, who once championed randomized controlled trials (RCTs) as the gold standard—until now. With the CDC gutted, the FDA undermined, and common sense replacing real science, they ask: how do we preserve truth in an age of weaponized misinformation? Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

In the third series streamlined episode on the Chatter social audio app, we're back live from the Podcast HQ! Today In this powerful episode, Jonathan Howard joins the show to dive deep into the world of social media trends, coaching, and mentorship. With an inspiring abundance mindset, Jonathan shares his transition from a 9-to-5 job to becoming a thriving entrepreneur and creator. We also explore a vulnerable and emotional moment in his journey — surviving and rising above a hate crime. Trigger warning: This part of the conversation may be sensitive for some listeners. Jonathan brings a fresh perspective on how to stay ahead in digital spaces, deal with being misunderstood, and define what success in 2025 looks like. His insights on investing in coaching for personal growth are a must-hear for creators, entrepreneurs, and anyone navigating today's digital landscape. TELEGRAM PODCAST HQ: https://t.me/PodcastingHQ 

DOJ Settles With Ashlee Babbit's Family!! News Dateline: Lea Rosenberry, ChatSpecial Guest : Cindy Stumpo, Nelson EpegaSpeaker: Dave,Sir Jude,Vashon, Diana Rosero, Jonathan Howard, Jay Hardman, Quintin, Va'gina PearlOur live show gives our listeners the chance to actually hear us perform and even influence the show and gives us the unique opportunity to create a bond with our already captive listeners. The instant feedback – the laughs, the gasps, that sense of connection. They're coming to our show to feel part of a conversation and voice their opinion every time we record a podcast episode. The people that attend our live podcast show have a great time, tell their friends and family and attract some very powerful champions of each spirited DEBATE The NEWS episode. Here at DTN, We DEBATE The News! We Allow You To Present Your Interpretation On Today's Local, National, & World News Topics. Spirited & Informed Discussions Are Encouraged. Engage and Sharpen Your Mind with Intellectual Combat! Live On the CHATTER SOCIAL APP: Sat-Sun 8:30 PM - 9:30 PM EST / 5:30 PM - 6:30 PM PST

Dr. Jonathan Howard returns to the podcast to discuss the collapse of public health in the United States. After coming on the podcast in 2023 to discuss his book, We Want Them Infected, Dr. Howard provides an update on some of the contrarian doctors and anti-vaccine influencers he has been following before and since the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic. // Episode notes: https://www.lastborninthewilderness.com/episodes/jonathan-howard-2 // Sustain + support: https://www.patreon.com/lastborninthewilderness // Donate: https://www.paypal.me/lastbornpodcast

Dr. Jonathan Howard returns to the podcast to discuss the collapse of public health in the United States. After coming on the podcast in 2023 to discuss his book, We Want Them Infected, Dr. Howard provides an update on some of the contrarian doctors and anti-vaccine influencers he has been following before and since the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic. // Support the work + listen to the full interview: https://www.patreon.com/lastborninthewilderness

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/122511116 With RFK's Senate confirmation complete, hearings for Kennedy's handpicked agency heads like Jay Bhattacharya and Marty Makary loom. In preparation, Beatrice speaks with Dr. Jonathan Howard—himself a frequent subject of both Bhattacharya and Makary's scorn—about both of their records on the pandemic, their claims that criticism of their work amounts to “censorship” and “attacks on science,” and what disasters await us with health agencies under their watch, and RFK at the helm. Get Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism Find Jules' new book here: www.versobooks.com/products/3054-a…-trans-misogyny Runtime 1:16:38

Bombshell reports indicate Joe Biden could be sabotaging Kamala's campaign, Trump surges in polls, Rasmussen Head Pollster Mark Mitchell and former Air Force Combat Controller and Master sergeant in the Florida State guard special missions unit Jonathan Howard join the show Check Out Our Partners: Allegiance Gold: Go to http://www.protectwithbenny.com/ and get up to $5,000 in free silver with a qualifying purchase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonathan Howard and Charlie Keebaugh are members of Aerial Recovery, a nonprofit organization focused on disaster response and humanitarian aid, particularly in areas affected by natural disasters and crises. They specialize in using aerial technology, such as drones and helicopters, to assess damage, deliver supplies, and support recovery efforts. The organization often collaborates with local communities, governments, and other NGOs to provide assistance and facilitate recovery. Their work includes search and rescue operations, medical supply deliveries, and providing essential resources like food and clean water. By leveraging innovative technologies and a network of trained veteran volunteers, Aerial Recovery Group aims to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of disaster response efforts. Recently, they've deployed to areas affected by Hurricane Helene to assist in the rescue and recovery effort. You can donate to the effort below. Aerial Recovery Links: Donate to Hurricane Helene Relief - https://secure.givelively.org/donate/aerial-recovery/2024-hurricane-helene-disaster-response Donate to Hurricane Milton Relief - https://secure.givelively.org/donate/aerial-recovery/2024-hurricane-milton-disaster-response-0f7853c7-995e-4ca4-9e94-229378ce8128 Website - https://aerialrecovery.org IG - https://www.instagram.com/aerialrecoverygroup FB - https://www.facebook.com/AerialRecoveryGroup Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Vigilance Elite Patreon - https://patreon.com/vigilanceelite Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices