Doth Protest Too Much: A Protestant Historical-Theology Podcast

The NIV, the RSV, the KJV? The Women's Bible, the Student's Bible, the Athlete's Bible, the Construction Worker's Bible? There's all kinds of Bibles out there, and where to start?  Former guest of the pod the Rev. Jay Mills joins Andrew and James today. They each discuss the translations and editions of the Bible that they prefer, both for their own reading and for recommendation for others. Note* all the Bibles we are discussing are English language translations. Shownotes: -Jay discusses some of his qualms he has with the SBL Study Bible -Andrew referred to this graph that plots the different Bible translations in regard to what kind of translation. (And like James points out, the graph is not perfect) -Though Andrew overall likes the NRSV translation, here is a link that he referenced that explains some of its issues. Links for the recommended Bibles brought up on this episode (we encourage you to do your own searching of these two, as they can come in hardcover, leather bound, paperback, e-book, etc.): Evangelical Heritage Version (EHV) Holy Bible The Reader's Bible (in different translation & formats) New International Version (NIV) Study Bible (2011 edition) English Standard Version (ESV) Study Bible The Reformation Study Bible (in ESV) Life Application Bible (available in several translations, Andrew recommends NIV for this one) Bible commentary series mentioned: Tyndale Bible Commentaries New International Commentary series (New Testament) Through Old Testament Eyes series Brazos Theological Commentary series

James and Andrew were honored to be guests on podcast Broken Vessels: Theology for a Broken Church hosted by Joshua Simpkins and Brad Kafer.  Check out more content from The Broken Vessels Podcast here.

An unintended multiple-sessions-in-the-making episode. James and Andrew revisit their favorite theologians list from two years ago and make some changes. James also fills us in on the research on church growth and travels he did during his sabbatical. Shownotes  -James referenced Alister McGrath's book Narrative Apologetics: Sharing the Relevance, Joy, and Wonder of the Christian Faith and Justin Holcomb's book On the Grace of God -Andrew referenced: -Armand Nicholi's book The Question of God: C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life -Don H. Olive's biography of Wolfhart Pannenberg -Pannenberg's essay "Gospel and Church: The Proposed Concordat between Lutheran and Episcopal Churches in the USA" from the book Inhabiting Unity -Andrew's own article in The Living Church "Who Jesus is and Why that matters for the church: Remembering Carl Braaten" that mentioned Pannenberg's influence on Braaten. -the books by JI Packer:  --Keeping the 10 Commandments --The Thirty-Nine Articles: Their Place and Use Today (with R.T. Beckwith) --How to be a Christian: An Anglican Catechism (with Joel Scandrett)

This is the third and final part of our series where we reviewed a set of statements put forth by the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal. Shownotes: In this episode, Andrew mentions the article "Those Hyper-Politicized Evangelicals" by Timothy Dalrymple.  James mentions the book Scandal of the Evangelical Mind by Mark A. Noll

James and Andrew dive into the Reformational distinction of Law and Gospel followed by a discussion on the 'uses' of the Law as they appear in Calvin's Institutes and in Luther's thought. Shownotes: The quotations on the three uses of the Law from Calvin are from Ford Lewis Battle's translation of Institutes of the Christian Religion Book 2, Chapter 7  Andrew brought up Luther's disputes with the Antinomians and quoted Luther from the book Only the Decalogue is Eternal: Martin Luther's Complete Antinomian Theses and Disputations from Lutheran press (translated by Holger Sonntag) For further reading on the early development of the concept of a 'third use' in Lutheranism, Andrew mentioned the book Law and Gospel: Philip Melanchthon's Debate with John Agricola of Eisleben over Poenitentia by Timothy Wengert.    

Andrew is thankful for his doctoral-supervisor Dr. Paul Hinlicky coming on the podcast. In this episode, Dr. Hinlicky discusses one of his earliest theological interests: Karl Marx's reception of Martin Luther. Enjoy! We are thankful for Queen of the Sciences for cross listing this episode. About our guest: Paul R. Hinlicky is a Lutheran pastor, ecumenical theologian, and author of over a dozen books. He was the Tise Professor Lutheran Studies at Roanoke College for 22 years, and currently the Distinguished Fellow and Research Professor at the Institute of Lutheran Theology.  For a full list of the many books, articles, he has written, visit his website paulhinlicky.com In this episode, we draw heavily from Dr. Hinlicky's article "Luther in Marx" from the Oxford Encyclopedia of Martin Luther. You can view and read this article on Dr. Hinlicky's Articles page on his website above.

Friend and co-host of the past Stephen Burnett joins Andrew to talk about a couple of interesting movements that have happened within, and perhaps on the fringes, of the church, and why they think both of these movements are missing something important. The beliefs and quotations that Stephen was referring to on the Right-Dividers came from this site. Here is an article (Andrew found after the episode was recorded) that offers a very helpful commentary on the verse in 2nd Timothy that is used as the basis for Right-Dividers doctrine, and why the KJV translation may not the best...

We took a break from our normal routine of Reformational history and theology. In this episode, Andrew is joined by Frank Hughes, a friend and colleague in ministry who served in the same diocese as him. Frank is also New Testament scholar who has recently co-written a book with his friend and fellow New Testament scholar the late Robert Jewett titled The Corinthian Correspondence: Redaction, Rhetoric, and History. In this book, Hughes and Jewett argue for a partition theory of 1st & 2nd Corinthians (or, that the letters we have today are actually edited, or redacted, products pieced together after Paul from several smaller letters that Paul actually wrote.) This made for a fun talk considering that Frank is a self-described "unrepentant historical critic" while Andrew sees himself more as "post-critical". Enjoy! Frank Hughes holds a Ph.D. through Northwestern University and Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary where he studied under Robert Jewett. He also holds degrees from the University of Chicago and Seabury-Western Seminary. He has taught New Testament at numerous institutions including Codrington College in Barbados where he was Senior Lecturer. He currently serves as Priest-in-Residence at the Episcopal Church of the Redeemer in Ruston, LA. Visit his website here Shownotes -The books that Andrew studied in the seminar he mentioned that he took at Garrett were Theology and Ethics in Paul by V.P. Furnish  and Solidarity and Difference: A Contemporary Reading of Paul's Ethics. -The books Frank mentioned that argued for 1st Corinthians being an integral letter were Paul and the Rhetoric of Reconciliation by Margaret Mitchell and Sacra Pagina: First Corinthians by Raymond Collins. The book Andrew mentioned that argued for both 1st & 2nd Corinthians as integral letters was Donald Hall's Unity of the Corinthian Correspondence. -The past studies on partition theories that Frank referred to in the episode were Robert Jewett's article "The Redaction of I Corinthians and the Trajectory of the Pauline School" from the Journal of the American Academy of Religion and Günther Bornkamm's study "Die Vorgeschichte des sogenannten zweiten Korintherbriefes". -Frank mentioned two important works on culture and rhetoric in Paul's time: George Kennedy's The Art of Rhetoric in the Roman World and Judaism and Hellenism by Martin Hengel. The book Andrew mentioned where Luke Timothy Johnson finds some New Testament rhetorical-criticism to be excessive is Constructing Paul: The Canonical Paul, vol. 1    

We offer out apologies for people who listen to us via Spotify, who would not have been able to listen to our last couple of episodes. We initially had an issue with new episodes/updates appearing on Spotify because of our recent podcast host change. We have resolved the issue. This is our recent episode where Andrew and James go further down the list of the "95 Theses" from Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal. Details below. James and Andrew continue down the list of the "95 Theses" from the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal.  SHOWNOTES: Andrew made reference to the North American Anglican article "A Call to Arms to Restore the TEC: The Mission of the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal" and the Infographics video "Was Jesus Actually Resurrected?" James made reference to the following: The Jesus Storybook Bible Mike Bird's book 7 Things I Wish Christians Knew About the Bible William Mounce's book Why I Trust the Bible Daniel Wallace's debate with Bart Ehrman (on YouTube)  

We offer out apologies for people who listen to us via Spotify, who would not have been able to listen to our last couple of episodes. We initially had an issue with new episodes/updates appearing on Spotify because of our recent podcast host change. We have resolved the issue. This is our recent episode with Robert Kolb. Details below. We were blessed to have world-renowned Luther scholar Robert Kolb today on Doth Protest. Dr. Kolb came on to discuss lesser-known figures in Wittenberg who were contemporaries of Luther. We discuss some of his friends and associates (and even some of his enemies), and also what daily life was like in 16th century Wittenberg. You're in for a fascinating discussion. Dr. Kolb is Professor Emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, Missouri. He has authored many books both on Martin Luther and the Reformation. Here is a list of some of them. Read more about Dr. Kolb's life and work here.

James and Andrew continue down the list of the "95 Theses" from the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal.  SHOWNOTES: Andrew made reference to the Infographics video "Was Jesus Actually Resurrected?" James made reference to the following: The Jesus Storybook Bible Mike Bird's book 7 Things I Wish Christians Knew About the Bible William Mounce's book Why I Trust the Bible Daniel Wallace's debate with Bart Ehrman (on YouTube)  

We were blessed to have world-renowned Luther scholar Robert Kolb today on Doth Protest. Dr. Kolb came on to discuss lesser-known figures in Wittenberg who were contemporaries of Luther. We discuss some of his friends and associates (and even some of his enemies), and also what daily life was like in 16th century Wittenberg. You're in for a fascinating discussion. Dr. Kolb is Professor Emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, Missouri. He has authored many books both on Martin Luther and the Reformation. Here is a list of some of them. Read more about Dr. Kolb's life and work here.

James, Andrew, and their friend and fellow Episcopal priest Kyle Tomlin (from previous episodes: Remembering Jim Nestingen and We Need to be Rescued) each discuss the 1953 film Martin Luther and the 2003 film Luther, and which one they each liked better of the two. Andrew then gives an overview of every movie made on Martin Luther from 1911 to 2017 (!) Shownotes: *Birth of a Nation is indeed over 3 hours long (3 hours and 15 minutes to be exact). *Luther's remarks on suicide that Andrew and Kyle refer to is from Table Talks entry 222 (April 7, 1532) found in vol. 54 of the American edition of Luther's Works . Read an excerpt of it here. *Click here for a PDF of the biographical article in German about Walther Nithack-Stahn (the Berlin pastor who opposed World War I, and who wrote the screenplay of which the 1923 silent film Martin Luther was based upon) *The book about Luther on film that Andrew recently came across is Martin Luther in Motion Pictures: History of a Metamorphosis by Esther P Wipfler *The description of the 1911 film Doktor Martinus Luther that Andrew read was from a blog entry from the Bible Films Blog *Here is a biographical article on Eugen Klöpfer, who played Luther in the 1928 movie, and gives more details on his involvement with Goebbels and the regime.

James and Andrew review the "95 Theses to the Episcopal Church", a set of statements put forth by a group called the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal. They explain their essential agreement with all (or nearly all) the statements but why they could not sign. Visit Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal and view these statements at episcopalrenewal.org

Author, speaker, and New Testament scholar Ian Paul joins the podcast today to break down where we get this concept of "blessings" from, and how blessings were understood in the Bible and in Jesus's ministry. Part of this episode entailed a discussion of Ian's recent blog post titled "What did Jesus do with bread?". Enjoy! The Rev. Dr. Ian Paul is an Associate Minister at St. Nic's Nottingham, and is a member of General Synod- the legislative body of the Church of England. He holds a PhD in New Testament from St. John's College in Nottingham. He serves as the Managing Editor at Grove Books Ltd. and as the Chair of the Tyndale New Testament Study Group. He blogs over at his website Psephizo where you can also find a links for his books to purchase.

This is the second part of our conversation with Dr. Thomas E. Jacobson (the first part was published as the episode "The Nordic Reformation"). In this episode, Dr. Jacobson shares about his interest in the Norwegian Pietist leader Hans Nielsen Hauge (who became the focus of his doctoral dissertation) and how 'Haugean' movement later found its way into North American Lutheranism. Dr. Jacobson and Andrew also discuss Laestadian Lutherans- another spiritual awakening group out of Lutheranism that ended up in North America (and sort of resembles the Amish, but not entirely). Enjoy! Shownotes: -The quote Andrew shared at the beginning of our discussion on Hauge was from a lecture Dr. Jacobson gave on Hauge at Norwegian Lutheran Memorial Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota in April, 2019. Transcript here. -The quote Andrew shared on the Laestadians was from a brief chapter Dr. Jacobson wrote titled "The Apostolic Lutheran Tradition" from the book Most Certainly True: 75 Stories about Lutherans Since 1517.

Dr. Thomas Jacobson, Assistant Professor of History at Institute of Lutheran Theology, comes on the podcast to discuss the Nordic Reformation, or how the Reformation transpired in Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland- both its influence from, and similarities and differences with, the Reformation in Germany and other countries. Host Andrew especially enjoyed his time as he learned a LOT about a fascinating history. This is the first of a two-part episode. Stay tuned for the upcoming episode with Dr. Jacobson "The Nordic Revivalists (and Their Influence in North America" Dr. Jacobson mentions the following works that both influenced him and highlight the importance of the Nordic expression of Lutheranism: Abdel Ross Wentz's A Basic History of Lutheranism in America Conrad Bergendoff's book The Church of the Lutheran Reformation

James and Andrew had a great discussion on "The Sacred Supper of Christ, and What It Brings to Us" from Calvin's Institutes (Book IV, Chapter XVII) The edition of the Institutes we read from is the two-volume Ford Lewis Battles translation from The Library of Christian Classics, Westminster John Knox Press. The quotation at the beginning of the episode is from p. 199 of The European Reformations by Carl Lindberg, 3rd Edition. The secondary source about the understanding of metonymy in Calvin is found at Derek Thomas's Blog 224 from Blogging the Institutes The books that James recommended on the episode are Grace and Gratitude: The Eucharistic Theology by BA Gerrish and Analysis of the Institutes of the Christian Religion by Ford Lewis Battles.

The Rev. Ben Crosby, a priest in the Episcopal Church serving in the Anglican Church of Canada, comes on Doth Protest to discuss why clergy and laity need not be shallow but deeply engage the Scriptures and our theological heritage. (We were a bit salty at times... but all in love.) This conversation was inspired by Ben's recent blog post on his Substack Draw Near With Faith titled "What the Reformation Teaches Us About the Pastoral Nature of Doctrine" (so we get a bit into how Martin Luther can inform us on this topic). The Rev. Ben Crosby is an Associate Priest at Christ Church Cathedral in Montreal and a PhD student at McGill University. He has written for Earth and Altar, The Living Church, and Journal of Anglican Studies.

Samuel Bray and Drew Keane are the co-editors of the recent "new" edition of the classic English Book of Common Prayer. In this episode, they join Andrew and James to talk about this project and Thomas Cranmer's approach to liturgy (it really turned into mainly a discussion on Cranmer... which is always wonderful.) Samuel L. Pray is the John N. Matthews Professor of Law at University of Notre Dame Law School and a McDonald Distinguished Fellow at the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory University. He is a prolific author in both legal studies and theology. Drew Nathaniel Keane teaches English at Georgia Southern University and holds a PhD in English from University of St. Andrews. He is the co-host of the podcast Critical Readings which offers thoughtful analysis of essential literature. He serves on the Liturgical Commission and the Commission on Ministry for the Episcopal Diocese of Georgia. He has written for The Living Church, Anglican Theological Review, and more.

Cal Crucis joins Andrew today to discuss Cal's article "My Kingdom is Not of This World: A Critique of Cardinal Newman's Development of Doctrine" from The North American Anglican. We get into the Tractarian, Ritualist, and Anglo-Catholic movements that caused a tectonic shift in Anglicanism, and the role Newman played in this shift. Cal presents Newman on Newman's own terms and then gets into what some of the problems he sees in his theory. Links to more work from Cal: Cal's blog Cal's podcast Cal's articles at North American Anglican The quote from Mark Chapman that Andrew shared was from p. 89 of Anglicanism- A Very Short Introduction Link to book: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/anglicanism-a-very-short-introduction-9780192806932?cc=us&lang=en&

Prolific author and biblical scholar Michael F. Bird joins the podcast to discuss women in ministry, the Terminator movies, Bart Ehrman, and 90's-era John Barclay. This is the conversation theology nerds would dream of having, and Andrew and James (who are theology nerds, we must admit) were incredibly blessed to have such a conversation, one that was both humorous and earnest, with this esteemed scholar and theologian. (We even have somewhat of a bloopers reel toward the end.) Dr. Bird is the Academic Dean of Ridley College in Melbourne and holds a PhD in New Testament from University of Queensland. He writes and speaks of a variety of topics (it was difficult to select which ones we wanted to bring to him for this episode). Below are links to access literature and media from him: Dr. Bird's Substack The Word from Bird Dr. Bird's YouTube channel Early Christian History Dr. Bird's blog Euangelion Dr. Bird's books he has authored and co-authored Dr. Bird's debate with Dr. Bart Ehrman The article Andrew mentions from Ian Paul on Phoebe and ancient-letter carriers can be accessed here

Zac Hicks joins James and Andrew today to discuss his latest book Worship by Faith Alone: Thomas Cranmer, the Book of Common Prayer, and the Reformation of Liturgy- a book that demonstrates that the Reformational teaching of ‘faith alone' (or Sola Fide) was the driving force for Thomas Cranmer in his liturgical revision and in his composition of the Book of Common Prayer. Zac Hicks holds a Doctor of Ministry from Knox Theological Seminary. He is a pastor, a songwriter, and music producer. Go to Zac's website to listen to some of his music, as well as to find downloadable resources for music worship leaders.

Dr. Matthew Barrett joins Andrew and James on the podcast today to discuss his new book The Reformation as Renewal: Retrieving the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church that will be released in June, 2023. Go here to order or pre-order a copy. In the episode, we do a deep dive into the historical setting of the Reformation, the intellectual and philosophical milieu of which people like Luther emerged, the Reformation's roots in both patristic and medieval theology, and common caricatures of the Reformation. Enjoy!

The four hosts return to conclude the lists of their favorite hymns (some even written in our lifetimes). Shownotes: -The episode artwork is of William Holman Hunt's painting "The Triumph of the Innocents" mentioned by Stephen in connection with James's hymn. (Taken from Wiki Commons) -The quote about the text author of the hymn that Andrew mentioned was found in this article: https://flcpa.org/arthur/

A last-minute put together episode from Andrew on a woman who mothered a highly regarded doctor and theologian of Western Christianity. This was inspired by the date of the recording being the appointed feast day for her. Tune in to hear why Andrew has personally been impacted by these two Christians who lived long ago but whose stories are timeless. Show notes: The movie Andrew referred to is Augustine: Son of Her Tears As Andrew recommended: Henry Chadwick's biography of Augustine of Hippo The quote from the Confessions was from the Maria Boulding translation.

Dr. Jack Kilcrease joins us again on the podcast to discuss Sola Scriptura and how it was classically understood in the 16th-century Reformation which may differ from what is came to mean by some Protestants later. We also get into what some of the straw man arguments against Sola Scriptura are, what the term 'Tradition' means in theological discourse, and more! Stephen joins us for this episode as well and shares about a couple recent development in his life (one that may surprise you!) In the episode we reference quite a few people and works, but we will point you to the one we discuss at length: Jack Kilcrease's article "Is Sola Scriptura Obsolete? An Examination and Critique of Christian Smith's The Bible Made Impossible" from Concordia Theological Quarterly Heiko Oberman's essay "Quo Vadis, Petre? Tradition from Irenaeus to Humani Generis" in the book Dawn of the Reformation: Essays in Late Medieval and Early Reformation Thought

The Rev. Jay Mills, retired Episcopal priest out of North Carolina, joins Andrew and James today to discuss a recent article he wrote titled "There and Back Again: Historical-Critical Skepticism and Renewed Faith" that was published in the Living Church. In the article, Jay shared about his growing up in the Episcopal Church, coming of age in the late 1960's and leaving the the church, his return to faith, his time in the early 1970's Jesus Movement, his years as a theology student and seminarian where encountered the historical-critical method of teaching the Bible, how due to this he became skeptical of the historicity of events as described in the Bible (especially the Old Testament), and his eventual return to the belief of the Bible as authoritative and reliable. Show notes: The episode on the Jesus Seminar from Sarah Wilson Hinlicky and Paul Hinlicky's podcast that Andrew referred to can be accessed here. The episode artwork is of 1970's Jesus Movement signage.

This is a repost of one of our earliest episodes. Episcopal priest the Rev. Ben Maddison came on to the show to discuss low anthropology, the Law and Gospel in the life and thought of Martin Luther and in the history of Anglican-Evangelicalism. You can listen to the original version of the episode here. The Mockingbird article by the Rev. Sarah Condon that was referenced in the episode may be found here.We discuss quotations from the following books: *Martin Luther's Theology by Bernhard Lohse (Fortress Press)*The Church Confident: Christianity Can Repent but It Must Not Whimper by Leander Keck (Abingdon Press, 1993)*Ask Him Anything: God Can Handle Your Hardest Questions by Lloyd Ogilvie (Grason, 1983)*Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christ by Richard Foster (Harper One, 2010)

James joins to Andrew in this episode to discuss his recent article for EFAC-USA's blog "39+" titled "If Anglicanism is Everything, It's Nothing". Read the article here. We also discussed a recent article for Living Church from the Rev. David Beadle "Bibliolatry: the Exvangelical Boogeyman" Shownotes: When we discussed "literalism", Andrew referenced the following: Dr. Iaian Provan's interview on the On Script podcast- episode On Reading the Bible Literally and Dr. Garwood Anderson's article for Living Church on biblical literalism Episode artwork is of English Reformer Thomas Cranmer's arrest.

The Rev. Bryan Jarrell recently wrote an article for Mockingbird about the Asbury Revival. We thank him for giving the time to be on Doth Protest Too Much to discuss what he wrote, as well as revivalism in general. Tune in for a great conversation. Bryan is the pastor of Epiphany Anglican Fellowship in Ligonier, PA. Check his other pieces he has written for Mockingbird here. The article that offers a breakdown of the 'Five Great American Revivals' can be accessed here. The article from the Asbury student Anna Lowe about her experience at the revival can be accessed here. The excerpt from Thomas Garrett Isham's biography of Charles McIlvaine that Andrew read the quote from can be found here.

Deaconess Ellie Corrow and Dr. Bethany Kilcrease join the podcast to discuss their review of Beth Allison Barr's popular book The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Their review was published in 2021. Part 1 of their review can be read HERE. Part 2 of their review can be read HERE. Part 3 of their review can be read HERE. Deaconess Ellie Corrow serves as missionary care coordinator for the LCMS Office of International Mission. She also serves on the board of Higher Things- a Lutheran ministry to youth and young adults. Ellie writes, along with others including Dr. Kilcrease on their substack titled “Lutheran Women on the Road”, a blog and newsletter about "loving God and loving neighbor, and walking faithfully in this tension of Christian discipleship". Dr. Bethany Kilcrease is a professor of History at Aquinas College in Michigan. She holds a Ph.D. in modern British history from Boston University. She specializes in British and European modern intellectual and religious history. She is also the author of the recent book Falsehood and Fallacy: How to Think, Read, and Write in the Twenty-First Century Additional show notes: Andrew made a reference to the book which argues for the commonly called 'egalitarian' position (men and women can share in ordained ministry) Bourgeois Babes, Bossy Wives, and Bobby Haircuts: A Case for Gender Equality in Ministry by Michael F. Bird. The episode photo is by Simon Webster, found at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/12495774@N02/17265758752

We were excited to have Todd Brewer, New Testament scholar and Managing Editor of Mockingbird, join us for a great talk that covered a lot of important ground. So great that Andrew could not even come up with a name other than the various things we talked about! Enjoy! Visit here to read more of Todd's work at Mockingbird. (We mention his MBird articles "Comforting the Comfortable", "How Revolutionary was Paul?", and "A View from the Ivory Tower", all accessible through that link.) The quotation referenced by Andrew is found on p. 157 of Paul and the Power of Grace by John Barclay Info on the controversy of the Catholic priest whose baptisms were ruled invalid --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Dr. Suzanne Bray joins James and Andrew on this episode for an often unexplored but fascinating aspect of C.S. Lewis: his views on politics. Tune in for a great discussion! Dr. Bray is Professor of British Literature and Civilization at Lille Catholic University in the North of France. She has written extensively both in English and in French on C.S. Lewis and other modern Anglican authors. Check out some of her work at: https://univ-catholille.academia.edu/SuzanneBray Shownotes: *The articles by her that we reference in this episode are "C.S. Lewis and Politics" from An Anglo-American Literary Review and "C.S. Lewis as an Anglican" from the book Persona and Paradox: Issues of Identity for C.S. Lewis, his Friends and Associates. *Both articles are available to access at the site above. *The episode artwork is of Aslan from the Narnia series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan#/media/File:Aslan2005.jpg *The animated film adaptation of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5uXoNf7Nc --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

*The title for this may give away one of the hymns we discuss.* Drew, Stephen, James, and Charlie get together to go further down (or up?) their list of favorite hymns. The article from Musical Times about the tune that Drew talked about can be found here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/904112 *The episode art is a photograph of a place related to this tune. Picture taken from: https://englandsnortheast.co.uk/durham-elvet/ We recommend www.hymnary.org as a helpful resource and database in researching your own favorite hymns.

On Dec. 31st, 2022, the Rev. Dr. James Nestingen went to be with our Lord. Nestingen was a leading scholar and authority on Martin Luther in North America. However, he was much more a pastor before anything else. Many have been blessed to know him, to study under him, and to drink scotch with him- including our (returning) guest today: the Rev. Kyle Tomlin. Kyle was with us before for our episode on theology and comic books. Kyle was a student of Dr. Nestingen and shares some great memories about him on this episode. In this episode we referenced the books: Free to Be (which Nestingen co-authored with Gerhard Forde), https://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/product/5230/Free-to-Be-Student-Book Martin Luther: A Life, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-Life-James-Nestingen/dp/0800697146 Martin Luther: His Life and Teachings, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-His-Life-Teachings/dp/1592446728 Also, to access the discussions and interviews of Nestingen from both Thinking Fellows podcast and Around the Table, as well as articles that Jim wrote, go to https://www.1517.org/contributors/jim-nestingen The sermon on 'Faith vs. Piety': https://mbird.com/theology/jim-nestingen-on-faith-vs-piety/ The episode picture is taken from https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/james-nestingen-obituary?id=38527675 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Zac Neubauer joins the podcast again with Andrew to go over books we read over 2022- not necessarily books that were published in 2022 but books that we read over the course of that year. Tune in to hear our recommendations and opinions, and feel free to disagree! Rev. Zac Neubauer is the President of EFAC-USA (Evangelical Fellowship in the Anglican Communion). This is his third time on the podcast (which means we owe him a t-shirt.) Zac serves as Interim Priest-in-Charge at St. Clement's Episcopal Church in Rancho Cordova, CA and is a graduate of Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge, PA. Zac writes over at Confessing Anglicans. Find his work here: https://confessinganglicans.com/author/zneubauer/ *The episode artwork is a picture of Geoffrey W. Bromiley, an author of one of the books discussed. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

James and Drew got together to do an episode on Christmas Day, 2022. We get into Christmas preaching, the message of the Incarnation for us, as well as some other things. We referenced the article "Preaching to C & E Christians" by Mark Mattes: https://www.1517.org/articles/preaching-to-c-e-christians --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

This is a repost of one of our earliest episodes with Dr. N. Scott Amos, a leading scholar on the 16th century figure Martin Bucer who played an important part in both the English and continental Reformations (and as we discuss in this episode, on the Book of Common Prayer.) This is a link to the book that Dr. Amos edited recently for the Reformation Commentary on Scripture series https://www.amazon.com/Joshua-Judges-Reformation-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830829547 Dr. Amos is the Professor of History and Chair of the History Department at the University Lynchburg. He is the author of the book Bucer, Ephesians, and Biblical Humanism: The Exegete as Theologian published in 2015, and is the editor of the recently published fourth volume of the Reformation Commentary on Scripture for the books of Joshua, Judges, & Ruth.

"With any kind of history, there's a lot of empathy that has to be involved. You have to try to understand that there are objective issues but there's also the subjective: why people get caught up in this sort of thing, and any good history tries to deal with both." This was a statement from our guest Erik Herrmann on this episode about the controversy that shook Concordia Seminary in St. Louis several decades ago that culminated in a walk-out of faculty and students. This is still a sensitive topic for faithful Lutheran Christians in the United States from different Lutheran denominations, and we pray for the day that Christ's Church may be united in confession, truth, and love. While we could not nearly get to every aspect of the Seminex story in this one episode, we do point you to the following resources (several which we discuss in the episode): The video recordings of the entire course that Dr. Herrmann taught (along with his colleague Dr. Gerhard Bode) on Seminex "Controversy in the LCMS" can be accessed here: https://scholar.csl.edu/controversylcms/ The article that Andrew referenced by Robert Benne near the beginning of the episode: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/05/the-trials-of-american-lutheranism Frederick Danker's book No Room in the Brotherhood *This book is from the perspective of a student involved in the walkout who later went on to be a New Testament scholar and professor in the ELCA. Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/No-room-brotherhood-Preus-Otten-Missouri/dp/091564410X?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423 Paul Zimmermann's book A Seminary in Crisis: The Inside Story of the Preus Fact Finding Committee *This was written by chair of the committee that went to Concordia Seminary to interview the faculty. Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Seminary-Crisis-Inside-Finding-Committee/dp/0758611021 James Burkee's book Power, Politics, and the Missouri-Synod: A Conflict That Changed American Christianity *This book is discussed at length in the episode and focuses on the role Herman Otten played in the events leading up to Seminex Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Politics-Missouri-Synod-Burkee/dp/1451465386/ref=sr_1_1?crid=AEDQQFTMPAYT&keywords=james+burkee+missouri+synod&qid=1668473964&s=books&sprefix=james+burkee+missouri+synod%2Cstripbooks%2C109&sr=1-1 A primary source: Exodus from Concordia: A Report on the 1974 Walkout * The official report put out by the seminary in book form Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/ConcordiaSemBdOfControlWalkoutOf1974 James E. Adams' book Preus of Missouri and the Great Lutheran Civil War *Biography of the president of the Missouri Synod at the time of Seminex and how he dealt with the issue Available at: https://www.amazon.com/Preus-Missouri-great-Lutheran-civil/dp/0060600713 John Tietjen's book Memoirs in Exile: Confessional Hope and Institutional Conflict *Book written by the president of Concordia Seminary at the time of Seminex Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/memoirsinexileco0000tiet The early article from Martin Scharlemann on Scriptural inerrancy that Charlie referred to can be read here: https://archive.org/details/ScharlemannMTheInerrancyOfScripture/page/n23/mode/2up A related article on this topic written by the Concordia theology professor Arthur Carl Piepkorn (mentioned by Andrew) can be found here: https://scholar.csl.edu/ctm/vol36/iss1/48/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

The title for the episode comes from our discussion on Charlie's hymn today. Andrew, James, and Charlie gather to go further down the list of their favorite hymns (or further up?). We did just two today as James and Andrew shared one. Stephen was unfortunately unable to join us but will be back with a double feature on the next part of this series. Andrew made a reference to Jack Kilcrease's recent book Justification by the Word: Restoring Sola Fide in connection to Charlie's hymn. This book aims to restore the true Protestant sense of 'the faith' where we find our certainty rather than 'my faith'- the latter which has become so characteristic (and sometimes toxic) in later forms of Protestantism especially in pietism and North American revivalism/Great Awakening (and as James and Andrew get into, also takes form in mainline Protestantism and modern Catholicism). We give special thanks to Aaron Shows for providing all the music for this episode. Without trying to give spoilers, here are two links to versions/renditions of Andrew and James' hymn that they enjoy. (Give them a listen after you listen to the episode). James' favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGoqWBs30o Andrew's favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsVnvN3EVxY

"an antidote to all the self-help nonsense that weighs down our bookshelves and our self-regard" -These words from Nadia Bolz-Weber are about David Zahl's new book Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself). David Zahl joins Andrew, Stephen, and James on this episode of Doth Protest Too Much for a great discussion about where our true hope lies: not in the illusion that people are "infinitely improvable", which Zahl argues only leads to despair, burnout, and the feeling of "not enoughness", but in an acknowledgement of a low anthropology (which we define and discuss at length on the podcast). We also have fun discussion about David's favorite member from a certain band, his favorite Funko Pop figure that he owns, and more... *Andrew apologizes for his mic. He tried out a new set of headphones for this episode and apparently the mic isn't that great.* David Zahl is the founder and editor of Mockingbird Ministries, and the editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. He is based in Charlotesville, NC and has served since 2010 as the College and Adult Education Minister and Lay Preacher at Christ Episcopal Church in Charlottesville, NC. He is the author of numerous books including A Mess of Help: The Crucified Soul of Rock ‘n' Roll, Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion (And What to do about it), Law and Gospel: A Theology for Sinners (and Saints), and his latest book which we will be discussing today Low Anthopology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others published this year through Brazos Press. https://www.amazon.com/Low-Anthropology-Unlikely-Gracious-Yourself/dp/158743556X Shownotes: *the word 'kiss' when referring to the band KISS, does not stand for Kids in Satan's Service, neither does it stand (as Andrew joked) for Keep it Simple and Stupid (although that is an acronym Andrew remembers from his military days). Dave's podcast on music 'Well of Sound' that he co-hosts can be found here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-well-of-sound/id1435720647 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Notable Luther scholar and theologian Dr. Mark Mattes joins DPTM hosts Stephen Burnett and Rev. James Rickenbaker in this episode to discuss the importance of God's forgiveness and righteousness given to us by His efficacious Word. Dr. Mattes is Professor of Philosophy and Theology at Grand View College in Des Moines, Iowa, and has served congregations as a pastor in Illinois and Wisconsin. He has authored many books and journal articles on Martin Luther and Lutheranism. Some of the titles of these works include Martin Luther's Theology of Beauty: A Reappraisal and Law & Gospel in Action: Foundations, Ethics, and Church. In this episode, we discuss Luther, Law & Gospel, the contemporary Luther scholarship of Gerhard Forde and Oswald Bayer, as well as spending time to get to know Dr. Mattes and what led to his interests. Shownotes: Mark's article “Preaching to C and E Christians” from 1517 can be read here: https://www.1517.org/articles/preaching-to-c-e-christians The works referred to in this episode are: C.F.W Walther's The Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel -public domain available at https://lutherantheology.com/uploads/works/walther/LG/ Martin Luther's commentary/exposition on the Magnificat -found in Luther's Works, Volume 21 https://www.cph.org/p-627-Luthers-Works-Volume-21-Sermon-on-the-Mount-and-the-Magnificat.aspx Martin Luther's Treatise on Good Works -the Annotated Study Edition of this is available at https://www.amazon.com/Treatise-Good-Works-1520-Annotated/dp/1506413536?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423 Gerhard Forde's On Being a Theologian of the Cross -https://www.amazon.com/Being-Theologian-Cross-Reflections-Disputation/dp/080284345X Roland Bainton's biography of Luther, Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther -https://www.christianbook.com/here-stand-life-of-martin-luther/roland-bainton/9780452011465/pd/011469 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Rev. Kyle Tomlin joins the podcast to discuss his longtime interests in comic books and superheroes. We discuss Spiderman, Green Lantern, Deadpool, Batman, Superman, the Watchmen, the Boys, and more. Andrew is a bit less seasoned in the comic book universe, so James and Kyle really carried the conversation today. But importantly, we explore what messaging may people be internalizing from comics and superheroes as well as wider pop culture, and ponder what the Gospel of grace in Christ can offer to a culture that is, as Kyle believes, hungry to be rescued. Kyle hosts a podcast called "God and Comics" along with Rev's Matt Stromberg and Jonathan Mitchican. He is the rector of Church of the Messiah, Episcopal in Fredericksburg, VA. He is an Anglican with a Christ-centered, Reformationally-rooted theology. Check out God and Comics at www.godandcomics.com and their podcast at anchor.fm/godandcomics --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

River Devereux joins Andrew on this episode of 'Doth Protest' for a helpful conversation about the Reformational understanding of Scripture's authority in relation to Creeds and Councils. River's recent work in the North American Anglican has generated great conversation and some controversy surrounding this topic. River's argument is: "our entire theological system necessitates the validity of private judgement" (from his article "To Follow One's Conscience: A Defense of True Protestantism"), and that church councils cannot claim to bind our conscience. This does not equate to, River says, a type of anarchic individualism nor does it, importantly, subject Scripture to our own reason (as we see in the case of the Enlightenment). Here are links to the River's articles that we mentioned: "To Follow One's Conscience: A Defense of True Protestantism": https://northamanglican.com/to-follow-ones-conscience-a-defence-of-true-protestantism/ "To Reject a Council: An Essay on Scripture, the Church, and the Believer": https://northamanglican.com/to-reject-a-council-an-essay-on-scripture-the-church-and-the-believer/ "Reformation Anglicanism and Nicaea II": https://northamanglican.com/reformation-anglicanism-and-nicaea-ii/ This is a link to River's YouTube channel New Kingdom Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9i77qgn4y1yTat-LgjLMg Additional show notes from Andrew (Disclaimer: the authors of these may or may not be in agreement with every point we made in the episode): "The Authority of Scripture" by Jack Kilcrease: https://lutheranreformation.org/theology/the-authority-of-scripture/ Heiko A. Oberman's book Dawn of the Reformation: https://www.amazon.com/Dawn-Reformation-Essays-Medieval-Thought/dp/0802806554?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

What is heresy? Can it be understood sympathetically without condoning it? James and Stephen of 'Doth Protest' had a great discussion with Justin Holcomb on this topic. You are in for a fascinating and uplifting discussion. Justin is an Episcopal priest and has served as the Canon for Vocations in the Diocese of Central Florida since 2013. He teaches theology and apologetics at Reformed Theological Seminary and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. You can visit Justin's website at justinholcomb.com SHOWNOTES: Justin's article “Why You Shouldn't Call that False Teaching a Heresy?”: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2015/october/truth-about-heresy.html Justin's new devotional: God with Us: 365 Devotions on the Person and Work of Christ https://smile.amazon.com/God-Us-Devotions-Person-Christ/dp/0764234404/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1LQDITRF4ENQA&keywords=justin+holcomb&qid=1662587678&sprefix=justin+holcomb%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-6 Justin and Lindsey Holcomb's new children's' book: God Made Babies https://smile.amazon.com/God-Made-Babies-Helping-Conversation/dp/1645072231/ref=sr_1_1?crid=11GRJNT7CS1VV&keywords=god+made+babies&qid=1662587780&sprefix=god+made+babies+%2Caps%2C71&sr=8-1 We also referenced Michael Horton's book Christless Christianity: The Alternative Gospel of the American Church https://www.christianbook.com/christless-christianity-alternative-gospel-american-church/michael-horton/9780801072215/pd/072215 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

We go further down the list of our favorite hymns in this second of a five part series on sacred music. We give a huge thanks and shout out to Aaron Shows, James's brother-in-law, who played segments of all of the hymns we discuss on organ or piano. Please do not kill Andrew for mispronouncing your name today! We featured Aaron's music on the episode as we introduced each one. Aaron is a film-composer and also serves as the organist for First United Methodist Church of Pasadena, CA. Listen in to hear what hymns we picked (we give the writing credits on the episode audio). Without giving too many spoilers, here are some show notes: James referred to the book Gentle and Lowly: The Heart of Christ for Sinners and Sufferers by Dane Ortlund when he was discussing the theology of his hymn. A link to the book: https://www.crossway.org/books/gentle-and-lowly-hcj/ Charlie mentioned to hymn 604 out of Lutheran Service Book as a superior version of a hymn (that isn't on any of our lists but it disliked by two of our hosts). He also mentioned hymn 539 out of the same hymnal as his favorite tune setting to his hymn that he discusses. Here is a link to the German hymn writer Andrew referred to who lived during the 30 Years War: https://hymnary.org/person/Rist_Johann Charlie mentioned the hymn scholar Jon Vieker out of Concordia Seminary who has written about Catherine Winkworth (who we mentioned on the show). Andrew was unable to find anything exclusively on Catherine Winkworth from him. However, his faculty bio page is here: https://www.csl.edu/directory/jon-vieker/ *We also recommend you search him on https://scholar.csl.edu/ The French poet and author of Stephen's hymn is Placide Cappeau de Roquemaure. The cover art to this episode is of an early music booklet of that hymn found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placide_Cappeau#/media/File:Partition_originale_de_Minuit_Chr%C3%A9tiens.jpg

"For a scholarly generation, students of Paul have confidently treated the sixteenth-century Reformers as Paul's 'misinterpreters-in-chief.' Now Stephen Chester's patient and learned treatment of the Reformers' Pauline exegesis exposes both their thoughtfulness and their potential as wise conversation partners in the present. This is a major contribution to Pauline study." These were New Testament scholar Beverly Gaventa's words of praise for Stephen J. Chester's book Reading Paul with the Reformers: Reconciling Old and New Perspectives. James and Andrew were honored to have Stephen Chester on the podcast in this episode to discuss his work and share valuable insights in how we can appreciate interpreters who have gone before us. Tune in for a great discussion. Check out Stephen Chester's book at https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Paul-Reformers-Reconciling-Perspectives/dp/0802848362/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Episode artwork is the painting Christ as Savior with Martin Luther by Lucas Cranach (public domain). This painting is also used as the cover artwork of Chester's book. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Zac Neubauer, President of Evangelical Fellowship in the Anglican Communion-USA, joins the podcast again, this time with Andrew and James to talk about some of the leading Evangelicals from Anglicanism's recent past including Charles Simeon (pictured in episode artwork), Charles McIlvaine, and John Stott. We also catch up about EFAC-USA in recent years.  Visit EFAC-USA at https://efac-usa.org/ Zac has been president of EFAC-USA since 2018. He earned his M. Div from Trinity School for Ministry in 2017 and serves as Priest-in-Charge at St. Clement's Episcopal Church in Rancho Cordova, CA.  Shownotes *Zac mentioned the following resources in this episode that are good further reading for history of Evangelicalism in the Episcopal Church and Anglican Communion: (Book) Standing in the Whirlwind: Evangelical Episcopalians in Nineteenth-Century America by Diana Butler Bass https://www.amazon.com/Standing-Against-Whirlwind-Episcopalians-Nineteenth-Century/dp/0195085426?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423 (Essay) "The Strange Death of Evangelical Episcopalianism" by Gillis Harp in Anglican and Episcopal History, Vol. 74, No. 2 p. 180-206 *Andrew mentioned the book Christ in Conflict by John Stott: https://www.ivpress.com/christ-in-conflict Additionally, we recommend the following books about Charles Simeon: Charles Simeon by HCG Moule (Methuen, 1892- now published by Christian Focus Publications) Charles Simeon of Cambridge by Hugh Evan Hopkins (Hodder, 1977- now published by Wipf & Stock, USA)

What does it mean for a Christian to live under both God and an earthly ruler? What are Christians supposed to do in everyday life situations that the Bible doesn't speak to or prescribe something directly for? These are just some of the questions that we explored in our latest episode. Dr. Littlejohn joins Stephen and Andrew on the podcast today to discuss his book The Two Kingdoms: A Guide for the Perplexed as well as his work as President of the Davenant Institute which seeks to "retrieve the riches of classical Protestantism to renew and build up the contemporary Church." Visit Davenant's website at https://davenantinstitute.org/ Dr. Littlejohn holds a PhD from New College, University of Edinburgh. His areas of expertise include the Anglican theologian Richard Hooker, the Reformation (both English and continental), Reformed theology and history, and political and ethical thought of the Reformation. Shownotes: Link to Dr. Littlejohn's book: https://www.amazon.com/Two-Kingdoms-Perplexed-Davenant-Guides/dp/0692878173?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423 The book that Dr. Littlejohn mentioned toward the end is Creation Regained: Biblical Basics for a Reformational Worldview by Albert M. Wolters Episode artwork is a print appearing in a translation of St. Augustine's The City of God by Raoul de Presles --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Stephen, Charlie, James, and Andrew go through their favorite hymns in this first of a five part series on sacred music. We give a huge thanks and shout out to Aaron Shows, James's brother-in-law, who played segments of all of the hymns we discuss on organ or piano. We featured these segments on the episode as we introduced each one. Aaron is a film-composer and also serves as the organist for First United Methodist Church of Pasadena, CA. Listen in to hear what hymns we picked (we give the writing credits on the episode audio). Shownotes: A link to the devotional book by Caroline Maria Noel: https://archive.org/details/namejesusandoth00noelgoog/mode/2up A link to the book by Gustaf Aulen that James mentioned: https://www.amazon.com/Christus-Victor-Historical-Study-Atonement-ebook/dp/B01I7NJZ52/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1657139795&refinements=p_27%3AGustaf+Aulen&s=books&sr=1-1 A link to the documentary on Ralph Vaughan Williams mentioned by Andrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNi_Y4rKiE&t=3289s Episode picture is the grave of Caroline Maria Noel found at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116125788/caroline-maria-noel