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Improve your health & quality of life, find the truth between natural and medical science. Join Ken and Co-host Eric Rieger on the GCP, and get an unfiltered approach to your health as they host guests from all over the world. Nothing is off limits. Step in and get your gut checked... Ken (Kenneth B…

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    #96 Which Food Oils are Safe and Why are some downright BAD?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2023 69:13

    There's no getting around it. We NEED fats in our diet and oils in many of our foods provide it. We were meant to eat the GOOD oils (Avocado, olive, coconut, Peanut(unrefined), flax, butter, ghee, tallow, lard, cocoa, Mac nut, almond, walnut, sesame, fish oil)In order to allow your body to stop fighting unnecessary inflammation, avoid excessive PUFAs! They are loaded in the bad oils (Soy, corn, vegetable, sunflower, safflower, CANOLA aka Rapeseed, grapeseed, cottonseed, ricebran, palm)BUT choosing the wrong oils to cook with, or the selecting packaged foods that might have certain oils in them could be keeping you overweight, tired, and giving you metabolic complications scubas migraines, body aches, and even sniffles or asthma.YES! All of those symptoms are more often than not related to an inflamed metabolic state that cannot manage the oxidative stress.HUGE thanks to Cate Shanahan, MD for an excellent outline to tackle so many aspects of this topic. Check out her website here: her safe and dangerous oils table here: this graph, think of the exploding issue of obesity, and notice how the danger fats consumption has gone up, while good fats like butter have gone down (Don't use margarine!) reading on oils and their dangers: LIKE & SHARE this episode and thank YOU for joining us on the GCP!

    #95 Sam Harris is Waking Up in Ken's Pantry

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2023 57:55

    Conscious intention… Balancing stoicism with urgency… How do the greats do it?So we began this episode by sharing with everyone that we were going to address “What's in your pantry”. However, Ken took Eric on a journey of how impactful the “Waking Up” app along with its daily exercises and tactics has been.Through thoughtful engagement, Ken expresses how he is finding more value in his daily experiences. Modernity and much of Western culture can influence so many of us to spend so much of our time preparing and thinking only of the future, that the present never occurs.Ken shares how this acceptance through this daily lesson is allowing him to recognize and enjoy more of his daily experiences, maintain balance in stressful situations, and ultimately unlocking more joy for each day.Learn about the Waking up app here: https://www.wakingup.comPlease LIKE and SHARE this or any of our episodes and of course Thank YOU for joining the GCP!!!

    #94 Who can You Trust? The Mixed messages around Diet and Food

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2023 78:02

    All of us have experienced placing trust in certain authorities. But when those same authorities abuse that trust, what can be done about it?The health industry has several institutions, academies, and associations that all command a presence throughout the many disciplines of healthcare. Altruism in their pursuits SHOULD be a given.However, there is always a vulnerability for compromise whenever money and power become traded like commodities.Ken and Eric explore the documented exchange of email, favors, and payment that has recently been uncovered within the dietetics specialty. And this is not to believed to be the only specialty with this level of compromise. Actually quite the opposite. The GCP, Ken, & Eric want you to be vigilant, and more than likely, almost every organization with influence has some degree of deceit. You just have to know how to see through it.Please LIKER and SHARE and thank YOU for joining the Gut Check Project!

    #93 Dr. Taylor Reyes, Pelvic Floor Specialist (Part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2022 37:53

    Dr. Taylor Reyes continues her conversation with Ken & Eric on the GCP to explore some of the common concerns around sexual health which can be addressed by creating a healthy pelvic floor.Taylor really paints a picture of how and why there shouldn't be fear around solving these types of problems. Certainly no reason to suffer in silence.The dynamic relationship of your pelvic floor to your overall health & happiness should not be ignored.Connect with Taylor!firephysicaltherapy.comIG drtaylorreyesPlease LIKE & SHARE and thank you for joining Ken & Eric on the Gut Check Project!

    #93 Dr. Taylor Reyes, Pelvic Floor Specialist (Part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2022 54:54

    Your health is directly related to your core strength. One-third of of your core is your pelvic floor. Dr. Taylor Reyes joins the GCP to discuss how issues such as neck pain, digestion, and sexual health can be effectively addressed by creating a strong pelvic floor tone.Taylor even has some exercises to share which you can experiment with easily at home. The dynamic relationship of your pelvic floor to your overall health & happiness should not be ignored.Connect with Taylor!firephysicaltherapy.comIG drtaylorreyesPlease LIKE & SHARE and thank you for joining Ken & Eric on the Gut Check Project!

    #92 SIBO Relief and Recovery

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2022 45:35

    If you or someone that you know suffers from SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth), then you are probably aware that the consequences are real and relief is rare, and even harder to maintain.Ken unveils the clinically tested solution which could not only assist the SIBO sufferer to find relief, but actually save significant money with the highest quality products.The KBMD SIBO Support Box addresses clinical efficacy, cost, and compliance. A measured monthly supply of support, all backed by science.Thank you for listening to the GCP, please be sure to LIKE & SHARE this episode with those you love. Real relief is here!

    #91 Spicy Food Research of Capsaicin and Podcast Listener Dynamics

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2022 51:47

    Eating super hot food can seem like a mix of pleasure with self torture. But just how hot can spicy food be? What is the Scoville Heat Unit scale for rating spiciness in food?There can be some symptoms attributed to eating super spicy food, but is it actually dangerous?To wrap, Ken breaks down a recent study describing people just like YOU… podcast listeners! Are we in good company if we look forward to podcast shows? Be sure to LIKE & SHARE the GCP!

    #90 Rachel Scheer, Fitness Model & Health expert

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 29, 2022 55:51

    Have you felt alone in trying to improve your overall health? What about when how you look doesn't really represent how you feel?EVERYONE struggles to maintain the optimal health, no matter what the appearance may be. As a long time fitness model and former body builder, Rachel Scheer shares her impactful story of how her gut health was being compromised as she worked overtime to maintain physique and performance.Rachel has an incredible perspective and drives the relative perspective for all of us, regardless of where we find our current health, weight, or mood.We are so fortunate for Rachel to have dropped in to share with Ken & Eric and become our first TWO TIME GUEST on the GCP!Please Like & SHARE, and thank you for supporting the GCP!Rachel's Podcast “Scheer Madness”'s Homepage @rachelscheer @RACHELSCHEERNUTRITION  @SCHEERMADNESSPODCAST

    #89 Layne Garrett, Sexual Trauma Therapist

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 13, 2022 47:05

    Were you aware that every 68 seconds, an American suffers from sexual assault?It's a sobering statistic that knows no boundaries from race or even sex. Females are most often the victim, however males can be subjected to the horrific act as well.Layne Garrett, LPC joins Ken & Eric on The Gut Check Project to discuss the barriers to helping those that may need an escape form the tortuous burden of having been a victim of a crime that they never deserved. Layne's service is a noble cause, and one that we all probably may underestimate the scale of the actual number of people that need help. A former teacher, Layne has rededicated her career to hellion those that suffer in silence. But nobody needs to suffer alone, and there is hope to overcome the trauma. Making yourself aware of the clues might even provide some insight and you may notice a loved one of your own might need to talk with someone like Layne.There are all kinds of pathways to healthy living, and being consumed by the stress stemming from trauma is worth addressing. How prevalent might these scenarios be? Here are some numbers to consider:§  70% of sexual assaults are committed by a perpetrator known or related to the victim (1)§  2 in 5 women in Texas have been sexually assaulted (2)§  1 in 5 men in Texas have been sexual assaulted (2)§  6.3 million Texans have experienced some form of sexual assault in their lifetime (2)·       1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted).·       About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.·       A majority of child victims are 12-17. Of victims under the age of 18: 34% of victims of sexual assault and rape are under age 12, and 66% of victims of sexual assault and rape are age 12-17.·       9 out of every 10 victims of rape are women.Join Layne with Ken & Eric as they discuss what sexual trauma therapy looks like, what goals can be attained, techniques like EMDR, and why there truly is how for a better life for all victims of traumatic events.CONNECT WITH LAYNE:cultivatehealing.netlayne@cultivatehealing.netPlease LIKE & SHARE, and THANK YOU for joining the GCP!

    #88 Cow Snot is NOW sexy (what?), WWYMS, & Long Haul COVID

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 6, 2022 45:05

    If you've ever looked at the snot dripping from a cow's nose, and it made you think of becoming “frisky”… well, as strange as that sounds, you are not alone! (This story shows how wild ideas become meaningful science.)Ken & Eric hit the ground running in the early days of COVID, and over time, it's actually demonstrated that long time accepted reasoning and application of physiology concepts actually paid off. What did the inflammation of COVID or even the mRNA vaccine do to the public's microbe? What can we do to improve our current state of covid struggles? WWYMS… What Would Your Microbiome Say? An easy question to practice asking yourself before you embark upon a meal, an activity choice, or a stressful situation. It might even condition your decisions to ultimately be more beneficial for a healthier life!Quick hit topics on this show, covering a good amount of ground. Join Ken & Eric on this episode, and PLEASE be sire to LIKE & SHAREthe GCP!

    #87 Affordable Pharmacies, Good Riddance to PBMs, and Reducing the Impact of Alcohol

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2022 52:41

    Did you know that negotiating the cash pay cost of your prescription drugs could possibly be determined if you simply have insurance!?!? Mark Cuban has a new approach to reducing the red tape, the bureaucracy, and the ultimate barriers too access for many of the prescriptions that Americans need. How does a Pharmacy Benefit Manager affect your pocket book? You won't like the answer! Also, if enjoying an occasional alcoholic beverage sometimes comes with a cost of a hangover (or worse) what might be the cause, and could there actually be a remedy by preparing your body for the libations themselves? Tune in to the Gut Check project and listen as Ken & Eric address these popular topic suggestions from GCP viewers and listeners JUST LIKE YOU! Please Like and Share and THANK YOU for being a part of the Gut Check Project!

    #86 Navy SEAL Ryan “Birdman” Parrott

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2022 80:41

    Ryan “Birdman” Parrott was a trained sniper in his SEAL team. After transitioning out of the SEAL teams, there was an assumption that they were safe, back home on American soil. On January 2nd, 2019, Birdman received a call from a teammate, stating that his SEAL team partner David R. Metcalf had taken his own life. As he navigated his own grief, Birdman was inspired to do more than simply mourn. The issues facing war tattered and battle worn veterans is far beyond just a label of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). Birdman recognized that despite the well intentioned non-profits to help these vets, we continue to lose thousands of military members and first responders every year. Army Veteran Daniel Somers wrote this in his suicide note in 2013: “I am left with basically nothing. Too trapped in a war to be at peace, too damaged to be at war.” As with Birdman's observations, Daniel's words suggest that there is a whole body element to post traumatic stress that is being missed. Birdman reached out to a physician to discuss human performance in people with trauma. His hypothesis was to test these individuals on a physiological level and obtain a baseline. Birdman has assembled a world class team of Physicians, Ph.D.'s, Phycologists, Physiatrists, Sports Physiologists, and former Special Operators to make up the Human Performance Project. The mission is to create a manual to guide the tactical population, enabling them to thrive upon entry, during and post service. Ken & Eric are honored to host Birdman on the GCP. Please LIKE and SHARE and be certain to check out the links below to find out how you can not only learn but contribute to the mission of healing these heroes. YOU MIGHT EVEN WIN A TRIP TO ALL 7 CONTINENTS!!! Stay tuned!American Extreme Jump Video Frogman channel @BirdmanActual

    #85 Expert Joanne Kennedy BHSc, MHTFR, Histamine, Folic Acid and more!

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2022 68:13

    What crosses your mind when you or someone that you love experiences dizziness, random mouth sores, mood changes, muscle weakness…? It could be something as basic as a virus. It could be a vitamin B12 deficiency or folate  issue related to Methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR).All of the way from Australia, Joanne Kennedy BHSc was kind enough to join the GCP and address some the most perplexing metabolic issues that we face today.In this episode you will hear so much more about the intricate science, presentation, symptoms, and treatment around these imbalanced vitamins and amino acids. If you've every been concerned about homocysteine, folate, B12, anemia, and related issues, this episode has a wealth of knowledge that you can use. Join Joanne, Ken, & Eric on the GCP, and please LIKE AND SHARE the Gut Check Project with your friends and fam!Connect with Joanne!The ultimate Guide to Histamine Intolerance Follow Joanne on Instagram @joannekennedynaturopath  Follow Joanne on Facebook @joannekennedynaturopathy1

    #84 Ryan Reynolds, Rob McElhenney, The FDA, and Methane

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 9, 2022 48:19

    What in the world do all of these subjects have to do with each other… well loosely, quite a bit! Ryan & Rob place a bet with each other over getting a colonoscopy. The FDA has recently had a large drop in public trust and their funding may play a big part in that decline. Methane and even hydrogen sulfide production in the gut is normal, but can quickly get out of control, but what you should YOU know about it? All of this covered in this episode of Gut Check Project. Please Like & Share with your friends and fam, and THANK YOU for being a part of the GCP!

    #83 Glyphosate and Babies, PLUS A Synthetic Colon?

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2022 49:29

    Glyphosate (often referred to by the popular trade name Roundup) has been approved for use on many crops… But at what risk? What value does the assurance of a Non-GMO food come with, and how important could it be for a baby and their setup for long term health? Also, out of Stanford, a synthetic microbiome has been developed. How will it be used and what could it mean.. bot good and bad? Join Ken & Eric on the GCP as they address concerns regarding these and other developments… PLUS Eric is put on the spot to sing a song by Ken… PROTECT YOUR EARS! Please Like and Share this episode with your friends & family, and thank you for joining us on the GCP!

    #82 Tryptophan, IPAs, and Crow Funerals

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2022 40:25

    Were you ever told that eating turkey was a solid source of Tryptophan? Well it is.. and so are so many other foods! And that is GREAT news for all of us. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid, meaning that YOU NEED to consume it in order to achieve optimal health. Join us today as Ken also walks us through how Crows have a real mourning ceremony for their fallen and why IPAs may not be just the beer that brew enthusiasts enjoy. Join Ken & Eric on the GCP and PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE with your friends and fam!

    #81 Longevity Supplements (continued) and Finale!

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2022 47:15

    We've covered A LOT in the space of longevity and health span… BECAUSE YOU ARE WORTH IT! In this series finale, Ken and Eric give context to supplement choices and a wrap on the series covering your ability to live your life longer, more full, and healthier than you may have thought possible. Join Ken & Eric on the GCP, today! Be sure to like and share this episode, and thank you for being a part of the KBMD Health family!

    #80 Longevity and Supplements

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2022 59:19

    Stop wasting time & money. Supplement stores offer all kinds of options. But are you using supplements to improve your health? How informed are you for what you actually need and know that works? The GCP longevity series has covered a lot of basics. The basics have to be addressed for health span success. So IF you are already working to achieve the basics for your own health, be sure to tune into this episode of the GCP and learn what unbiased research shows your next steps to consider are for health supplementation, AND LEARN WHY! Ken brings a host of ideas with the science to Eric for you to make the best decisions for your health. Please Like & Share the Gut Check Project and THANK YOU for being a part of KBMD Health!

    #79 The Key to Longevity Lives in the Microbiome

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2022 51:38

    Eating well, sleeping enough, and controlling anxiety are all things for you to do for longevity… but why??? These things are just setting the stags for optimal performance in YOUR microbiome. The microbiome is intricate, complex, and essential for good health. Join Ken & Eric on the GCP and learn how this magical organ keeps you living well and healthy!

    #78 Vibi+, Martin Ruette

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2022 61:00

    You know the importance of fiber, right? So many digestive issues could be improved or even avoided with the right amount and type of fiber consumed. But where do you get enough? Can great tasting WATER actually be source of fiber?Martin Ruette is the founder of Vibi+ fiber water. Martinis a serial entrepreneur and in this episode he details his near-death experience from a perforated diverticulitis infection!  Martin also discusses his long recovery and ultimately how it led to chronic digestive issues. Realizing that he needed more fiber he was in a constant struggle to consume enough fiber because of his digestive issues.He knew that he needed to find a solution in order to actually improve.For the next 15 years he worked with scientists in Brazil, Europe, and the US to ultimately develop Vibi+ water with a prebiotic called polydextrose. Join Ken and Martin as they discuss Martin's WHY and PURPOSE to help others avoid what he went through. Ken also addresses how this prebiotic has been shown to improve microbial diversity, increase short chain fatty acids like butyrate, improve colitis and even help prevent colon cancer. Thank you for hanging with us on the GCP!

    #77 Socializing and Relationship Building are Critical to Your Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 31, 2022 58:02

    You, as a human, are by nature a social creature. That doesn't just mean that you have the ability to meet people and congregate. In fact, it is ESSENTIAL that you seek and develop bond with other humans. Your very health depends upon it. But how exactly does this work? And what will it do for you? You most likely know that smoking is bad for you. Well, being lonely is just as bad to your longevity and health span. Simply, we are hard-wired biologically to socialize and there is evolutionary reasoning. There are ways to increase your social circle. And in this episode we feature a call during the show with Delaney Shiu who is in med school and she explains what her med school is doing to make sure they develop social circles for long term success! Join Ken & Eric on the GCP for some socializing and friend making!

    #76 Fasting to Achieve Increased Longevity

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2022 64:46

    Have you voluntarily avoided eating for a purpose? To “fast” is to do exactly that. Maybe you had a surgical procedure and you were instructed to not eat for several hours. Maybe you have participated in a fast for a religious exercise. Or possibly you've attempted fasting to lose weight. What you may not have known is that there are direct benefits to your health by utilizing fasting and adhering to the exercise itself. From water fasts of no food for multiple days to intermittent fasting by only consuming all of tour daily calories within a specific amount of time each day, there are tangible benefits to for someone that implements fasting as a part of the health maintenance. Most importantly, you can use fasting as one of the no cost tools to improve your health span in order to achieve optimal longevity. Join Ken & Eric as they discuss the many avenues of fasting and what health gains you can achieve on the GCP!

    #75 What is “Longevity”, exactly?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2022 54:42

    Supplement companies, exercise groups, religious & spiritual organizations, and clean food experts are only SOME of the people that are talking longevity. But what does it mean to YOU? Living long is not the same as living well, comfortable, and healthy. Lifespan should be best matched with your HEALTHSPAN. That means giving you the best quality of life possible. What's great is that every single group that is talking about longevity is also describing key elements to improve your healthspan. Join Ken & Eric on the GCP to kick off this topic as they break down the categories and pillars of healthspan and longevity today!

    #74 with Rich Hagedorn and Soldier Valley Spirits

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2022 100:18

    An episode 74 we have Rich hagadorn, a 25-year combat veteran, senior non-commissioned officer and inductee to the Nebraska national guard Hall of Fame,  and most importantly childhood friend from over 40 years ago.Here's an infectious storyteller and recounts what it was like during the first Gulf warSince he has retired from the military on his off time, he works with disabled veterans and take them out into nature and guides them and hunting and fishing. Now Rich is co-owner of soldier valley spirits which is a veteran owned veteran, run Spirit company, making great bourbon, whiskey vodka and rum and winning many national awards.  But more importantly their why is to give back to non-profit organizations that support veterans. With every sale they give a portion of each sale back to non-profit veteran organizations.We are honored on the Gut check project to have a combat veteran who now is the co-owner of a business that gives back to less fortunate veterans.It's a little less sciency than we normally do, but it is entertaining For more information visit

    #73 Croatia: Altruism & Humanity in Business

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2022 49:56

    Shouldn't businesses have your best interest for their services? How do good companies stay grounded to sound principles? Everyone can use guidance and feedback. Also, people seem learn the most about themselves when they give. Ken & Eric have been members of a group which facilitates building these opportunities and relationships throughout the year. Join the GCP as these two shed some light on their most recent meeting in Croatia with Baby Bathwater Institute! Wellness Mama Dr Emil Chris Itimar flow research collective

    #72 Swapping Poop- Fecal Microbial Transplants (FMT)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2022 43:48

    “Gimme your poo!” Not a typical request, but evidence is mounting regarding using other peoples healthy fecal matter to heal the sick. It's officially called Fecal Microbial Transplant (FMT), and it may sound wild, but some direct results have demonstrated success. So can anybody just swap poop for health??? NO! The knowledge isn't quite there yet, but what is known is that almost any biological process of one person can be transferred. However, that includes the good AND the bad. What about Inter-species FMT? Funny, Eric tells of his own personal experience doing exactly that!!! So clean off the bottoms of your shoes and be careful as you step into this episode of the GCP with Ken & Eric.

    #71 Yerba Mate continued, the Safe Consumption Practices Explained

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2022 34:37

    To follow up our health benefits discussion in episode 70, you need to know how to make Yerba mate safe for you. Does organic matter? Do people that drink mate actually increase their risk of cancers? What method is the best way to prepare mate to avoid danger? Join Ken and Eric as they break down some demo data and discuss how you can safely approach enjoying this South American specialty drink with your friends and family! Please be sure to like and share and thank YOU for joining us on the GCP!

    #70 Yerba Mate, the South American Weapon for Health

    Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2022 39:29

    Yerba Mate is a name that'll grab your attention, and it's much easier to say than Ilex paraguariensis, which is the plant that it is made from . You have probably seen Yerba mate listed on a can or two of an energy drink, and it's no accident. This natural drink packs a lot of potential benefit. It's not exactly coffee, not exactly tea, although it's very similar to both. Having roots in ceremonial gatherings of friends and family, this cold brewed drink is steeped in water, and then enjoyed with quick slurps from a guampa or porongo (cup made from a gourd) with a special bombilla (straw) usually made of wood. Well who in the world drinks this stuff? For almost every country in South America, the consumption of Yerba Mate or just mate is a daily occurrence. And although highly consumed, what many may not know is that when consumed safely, Yerba mate is very healthy and can potentially supplement the consumer with great polyphenol and other benefits. BUT… there is a RIGHT and WRONG way to consume mate, and the method can actually determine if the drink is more friend or foe for those that drink it! Join Ken & Eric for episode 70 to be formally introduced to mate and understand why this small custom might become a part of your routine. Please be sure to like and share and thank YOU for joining us on the GCP!

    The RETURN and NEW STUDIO!!!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2022 41:26

    The Gut Check Project is BACK! All new set, new sign, and new plans for the show! So we've been quiet for a bit, and wouldn't you know… shipping delays apply to materials for building sets and new signs. Happened to us.. But we cannot wait to see YOU joining us back here on the show! So much to get to, and the relaunch of the GCP is finally here. This quick episode is a rest to catch everyone up, cuz things are about to take off. Thank you all so much for the email and calls and kind words. Looking forward to continue building a great show for YOU! Be sure to like and subscribe, and soon, the BONUS portal will be opening so Stay Tuned and stay Healthy!

    Revisit 2 Kiran Krishnan, Microbiologist

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2022 54:42

    Kiran Krishnan is a microbiologist that has made huge waves in health and microbiome science. Well beyond concepts, Kiran has helped engineer, create, and study Spore probiotic delivery systems. It is incredibly unique in that before Microbiome Labs' data, there was almost no conclusive evidence to demonstrate probiotic efficacy en vivo (in humans/living animals). Kiran shares with GCP the basics of natural vaccination that we all should be doing everyday.

    "Billboard" Chris Elston

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 14, 2022 97:10

    Are puberty blockers safe for children? Exactly who is talking to our children about these drugs? It is a situation that not a large percentage of parents ever really have to face. Or do they? Chris Elston (AKA “Billboard Chris”) joins the GCP for this episode to discuss why he has earned his nickname, and why he is working so hard to educate the public in the western world about his frightening discoveries. Chris is a father of two girls and he decided to take a stand. Chris explains that children should be free to be who they are — not indoctrinated to believe they were born in the wrong body. The indoctrination is the biggest issue where Chris has identified a danger that parents may not know exists. Puberty Blockers are the first step in a medical pathway that brings physical harm to children. Chris demonstrates that activists have not been transparent regrading the effects of these drugs, and the cross-sex hormones which almost always follow. In addition, there are many instances where supervisors of children such as teachers and counselors are given authority to initiate gender transformation without parental consent or even knowledge. Chris highlights that children are to be protected by their legal guardians, and that they should be protected from lifelong potential health damaging decisions, which are irreversible, especially since they are minors. Please LIKE AND SHARE and thank you for listening to the GCP!

    Microdosing Psilocybin & Natural Seretonin Mimics for Better Brain Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2021 72:29

    What in the world is microdosing? Can “tiny doses” actually accomplish anything? The rate of young professionals and lay people turning to psilocybin and other similar natural substances to attempt to bring balance to their mood and brain health grows annually. It's no secret that storied institutions such as Johns Hopkins are involved in serious research surrounding the psilocybin and psilocin molecules and how serotonin mimics may actually retrain our brains for the better. What's really intriguing is the modern day dosing schedule followed by so many known as “microdosing”. A practice of consuming relatively small doses in successive days to effectively stimulate seretonin receptors. What's more interesting is the last of cost against the economy of neurotransmission in the brain to make this happen. Join ken & Eric on the GCP, and LIKE AND SHARE! Thanks for Listening!

    Coffee Drinkers… You ARE Making Healthy Choices for your BRAIN!

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2021 54:58

    You have no doubt heard some debate on the health benefits of coffee. But what exactly can coffee do for your mental health? Coffee is naturally constructed to actually help your brain protect itself from inflammation and possibly Alzheimer's disease, among a few other health issues. Coffee is actually healthy for us. But can we have too much of it? Sure. But that is not much of an answer. You can also drink too much water, eat too much food, sleep too much, etc… Excess of almost anything can be harmful. So that leaves us all wondering, “What is within coffee itself that could bring healthy benefits to our lives?” And how much coffee will bring the average adult benefit? Join our two resident coffee drinkers Ken & Eric and learn why coffee is awesome and why you should embrace your coffee habit! Please LIKE & SHARE, and thank you for joining the GCP!

    Brain.FM Dan Clark & Kevin Woods, #64

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2021 79:02

    Eric Rieger  0:00  Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family, I hope that you are having a great day. It is now time for a new gut check project episode and guess what? Brain FM is in the house. That's right. Brain FM ceo dan Clark and chief scientist, Kevin Woods. Join us on the show today to talk about an incredible application of sound improving your life solving anxiety, sleep issues. Focus just an incredible tool that I can personally say I've used now for well over a year so as my family so as kids who has kids family, and so have several of our patients, they love brain FM so I don't want to spoil a single thing is an awesome, awesome episode. So let's get to our sponsors and get straight to talking to Dan and Kevin. We of course are always sponsored by atrantil. My co host Kenneth brown discovered, formulated and created atrantil to give to his patients to solve issues that are similar to IBS to give them all the polyphenols that they need for their daily lives whether they be athletes or they have gut issues or they just want to stay healthy. Go to love my That's love my Pick up your daily poly phenols today and of course unrefined bakery, let me just say some unrefined bakery. My wife is gluten free eater. She's got celiac disease. So I stopped by there and I picked up from unrefined bakery for my wife's birthday. I nice pumpkin pie. It was delicious. You would have no idea that was a gluten free product. It just tastes like awesome pumpkin pie. 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I have my staff use I have all my family use, and it is called Brain FM, this if you have any trouble focusing if you have any trouble sleeping, if you have any trouble with anxiety, there is a really, really cool way to correct this. And we've got the owner and CEO, Dan Clark here, and Kevin JP woods, Ph. D. Super smart, and they're going to explain to us why well quite honestly why it's so effective on me why it's so effective on my patients. And one of the most exciting things we've been trying to do this for quite a while now pre pandemic, we realised Eric and I realised that when we tried this on a few patients at the endoscopy suite, not only did patients have a better experience, they were calm going into it. They woke up quicker and almost you vigorously every patient loved without question. And so I'm so excited because they're here in town visiting from New York because we're going to end up actually doing an official study where I think it's going to be groundbreaking. I think we're going to be able to change how people feel about outpatient procedures like colonoscopies decrease the anxiety. And it's not just anecdotal. It's because there's science behind it. There is a growing movement with this, and I am just absolutely thrilled episode 64 is probably going to be our biggest episode, ever to date.Eric Rieger  5:33  I would imagine so and I don't want to take away time from you all feeding in but just so that y'all know, this is 20 months in the making, I mean, Coronavirus, COVID hit, and derailed all of our effort to really we should, we should be 20 months further down the road of actually implementing this. And it's really for patient benefit, which is what we talk about here all the time. This will enhance the experience, I believe, for people who come through and have procedures. So, Dan, Kevin JP, what's happening?Unknown Speaker  6:02  Yeah, glad to be here. Thanks for having us.Eric Rieger  6:04  Well, thanks for coming all the way down to Texas. How's Dallas, amazing, amazing. NotUnknown Speaker  6:09  my first time in Texas, everything is enormous. The streets are three times as wide as they are in New York. I tried across the street, and I just keep on walking. Keep on walking.Eric Rieger  6:19  Well, awesome. So yesterday was your first time to join us at the GI suite? And for honestly, I don't want to steal anything. But what was your impression that you thought you might see on an application of your technology? And then how do you see it fitting in kind of how Ken and I have been trying to experience it ourselves?Unknown Speaker  6:39  Yeah, sure. So first, let's maybe tell everyone what the technology is. And then we can talk about how we jumped in and started this whole process. The backstory is actually interesting. So basically, brain FM, we make functional music designed to help people focus, relax, or sleep better. And mostly, we have a consumer product, where we have 2 million people that use us to jump into focus or switch into relax, or help them sleep. And we've been having really great success there. We have papers and some things in review in nature, which we're really excited about. So it's evidence and science backed. There's some really novel ways which we use music to basically switch you into that state. And I'll let Kevin, jump into that maybe come back to that and some of the science. But what's interesting is while we're chugging ahead on that, what my girlfriend actually she starts going to get a tonsillectomy. And she's signs her life to me, we're dating for six months, I now know we're in a serious relationship. And, and I realised that I'm terrified, and I'm not even getting surgery. And she's very scared. She's never been under before. And I realised at that point that we can use the same things that we're using science to advance on our consumer angle, we can use it in relax in a medical grade setting. Remember calling up Kevin and saying, Hey, can we do anything? And he starts looking at the literature, he starts looking at other things. He goes, Yes, I actually think we can improve it a lot. I pitched that to you guys. When we met. Yeah, like I think we met probably three months later. Just a coincidence. And you'd love the idea. And that's when we became here. So it's really cool. It's been definitely long time in the making. But it was amazing. When we were doing it some some yesterday. And then one gentleman woke up. And he was so he was so he was almost emotional. He was so happy. He's like, every single time I wake up, this is like the worst or most traumatic thing that can happen. And I was using this music and I woke up. And it was it was it was fine.Unknown Speaker  8:46  And I've done this several times before without music. Yeah.Unknown Speaker  8:49  And that's the thing that we're trying to do is how do we help people relax into surgery, and then wake up, non groggy alert, and in being able to get on with their lives without, you know, making this traumatic, because a lot of people are so scared. And I know for me personally, it was really cool to see you guys doing the art form that you have, because I was able to see that it isn't scary. There's this there's this almost like divider between people that are non medical and medical have and for being able to cross over it and bring a bridge, using some of our music, I think is really what we're set up to do.Eric Rieger  9:27  So it's interesting that that, honestly, it was really awesome. I think that the first person that y'all got to see feedback from was somebody who was so engaged and immediately wanted to tell you all about it. And I only just want to just so the audience understands exactly what Dan's describing because it was awesome. So kid, I saw this multiple times before they even got here when we use brain FM as an experiment, but essentially this particular patient, he wasn't high high anxieties per se for him his singular case, but he had a history of waking up erratic very emotional, hard to console, not very comfortable in his surroundings as he was emerging. He even told you all, he feared how he was going to wake up. Yeah. How would you describe that you saw him wake up.Unknown Speaker  10:12  My goodness, he was he was happy. He looked straight in the eyes. And he thanked us on a personal level. And that meant so much. And just knowing that he had those prior experiences, and that he saw such an enormous difference, and I remember him saying, How can I recommend this to people? How can I tell people? Whoa, hold up, we're not ready for that quite yet. But yeah, he was ready to tell the world he was just so excited. And theEric Rieger  10:38  credit, the greatest thing is, it's non invasive, meaning that I don't have to inject a new drug brand doesn't have to use a new scope tip or something new, gigantic piece of equipment. I mean, this is something that we can apply. It's practical. And it's gave us real results in appreciable results. AndUnknown Speaker  10:57  it's enjoyable to absolutely. And that's the thing about music is it is familiar to people, they understand it. And yet we have this music with a scientific twist on it. Right? We have a dive into the science later. But you know, it's not exactly the music that you know, but it still is entertaining and fun to listen to. And as something that can distract you, while you're you know, lying there maybe worrying about the procedure you're about to undergo. So, you know, it's art and science coming together in a really special way. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  11:25  yeah. And I think what's cool about it is, to Kevin's point, people for 1000s of years have always used music, right to be able to control their environment, right. And, you know, there's been people that have tried with this in medical settings. But it's, it's always lacking some of the results, some of the things that are proven in science that this can make a better experience, what we're really trying to do is combine both worlds between, you know, auditory neuroscience with Kevin's background, and with a product that can be brought into these experiences that isn't, is more than a placebo. It's something that is shown to have an effect, and it makes everything better. So it's a win for the patient. It's a win for the the clinic, it's a win for everyone involved, because everything just becomes a little bit easier with something that everyone's already used to, which is music.Eric Rieger  12:20  Again, I know that whenever you've had to had conversations with patients before they come in for their very first colonoscopy, the level of fear and anxiety for somebody who simply has never even endured a procedure before it can be very real, and oftentimes occupies a lot of the time in the clinic for either you or Megan, or one of the nurses or the MA's to really kind of talk them off the ledge. So what have you seen incorporating something like brain FM so far?Ken Brown  12:46  Alright, so my personal experience, before we even get to the patients, I would say that, but what I really liked is that my day begins. Every every morning, I start my day, I switch from the evening brain FM sleep, because I go to sleep with it. So my day begins was switching it to focus. I come down, I do my French press, which I say French press because Eric gifted me this French class, he's like, dude, quit, quit using drip coffee. It's like French press is the way to go. That's why boil the water, I have my brain FM on, I'm in the focus mode, I put that in focus, because I know within five minutes that my brain is ready to really do this, I'm put the coffee on. I do the French press fire up the computer. And then I start looking at my chart. So within 15 minutes, I am literally ready to roll. Because there's a lot of stuff I have to do. I then go to work to go work out, do whatever I do in my day. And then when I come home, then my wife and kids know this. And everybody has. We all use brain FM we all use it for the exact same things. My kids use it to study, I use it to get my day going, and I use it to put myself down. So I'm such a big believer. And then when we had our first what 30 People that we did at the endo centre, yeah. It's very easy to say, hey, trust me on this. I've experimented with it. All my employees use it. I use it, my family uses it. And what, just like you said being on the other side of this medical experience, even will today Nasreen was talking to these guys. And she said, even though I've scheduled 10s of 1000s of these when it was my turn to do it, I was nervous. And we gave her brain FM to do and she said to you guys, that immediately I calmed down. And now she's had several different procedures since then, and she doesn't care at all. She's like, I know, I'm gonna get in there. I know, I'm gonna wear this, I'm going to calm down. I know I'm gonna go to sleep, and I'm going to wake up and it's going to be refreshing and I'm going to feel good. So she can now tell my patients that she's like, Don't worry about a thing. Because one of the things that really and you and I talk about this all the time and we've had several podcasts, colon cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in the United States. Colon cancer comes from colon polyps, we have a cure. And you saw that yesterday you are with us, we have a cure. So you and I have this urgency that if you're anxious about having a done, if you're scared, if you know somebody that had colon cancer, if you know somebody that complained about their colonoscopy, anything to get you into the clinic to get those polyps removed, because it saves your life. So now, when we have this opportunity to offer something, to make it a more, a more pleasant experience, not only more pleasant, because we're going to get into the site, we keep saying we're going to get into the science because that's coming the thing, that's the coolest thing. And I'm I want to thank both envision healthcare and and search, that they're being open minded about this. I'm really excited to get all my partners in G IA, looking at this, because I really kind of feel like this is a win win win win. We spoke with Dr. Ackerman, who's been co host, multiple, multiple times, when we spoke with Dr. Ackerman. He said it he's like, yeah, he's like, you just it's it's a no brainer, it's zero risk, potentially might help. And this is somebody who hasn't used it yet. When he realises he's like, Oh, when I said potential, I should have changed that word. He's like, it'll help. And that's what we're gonna end up trying to figure out. So what I love about it is it is just a way to say, look, get it done. Any worries you have, I'm gonna take one layer of that away, the second you show up. And that's what I'm excited about. Because ultimately, it's just a way, if you're worried about it, just make the appointment. We'll handle everything else. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  16:45  I think it's it's interesting, too, because a lot of people that at least from my experience, right, the first time you're going to something like this, you focus on these negative thoughts. So you're trying to push out of your head by using music, which we're used to. And again, we'll get on the science last time we hear that, but it's something that we can focus on something else. So instead of the fears or something else, we can focus on the music that we're listening to, and know that we're in really good hands at a centre that's willing to invest in technology, and try new things. For better patient experience.Ken Brown  17:20  I would like to just comment on that right there a centre that's willing to invest in technology. You're exactly right. Because when you've been meeting with people, they're saying, you know, we would like to be the Apple version of delivering health care like this.Unknown Speaker  17:33  Yeah. I mean, well, it's interesting, because if you look at Apple, right, why, why do people want to be Apple, it's because they do things more, they're not the first to do things always. But the first to do things extremely well and extremely thought through. So they take their time. They they're not, you know, first to market sometimes, but other times they are and they when they are they're the dominant factor. And I think it comes down to really finding solutions that truly do work that truly do make a difference. And that are long term solutions rather than the not right. And when we're talking to other people that are looking to be the apple of healthcare, it does take an investment, it does take a chance, like a leap of faith into trying something new. But I think that the the return on that are exponential in patient satisfaction and repeat visitors, people that are actually showing up for appointments because they're less scared because we have a solution for that. But but more with with all the other things that we're learning on as byproducts like efficiency and helping so that's the stuff that we're really exciting, because it's still focused on patient experience first, but there's so many other things that come from patient experience being better. Let meKen Brown  18:49  get your take on this real quick. Since you guys did see this from the other side. Yeah, you saw what happens with me and my partners with the staff with the camaraderie how everyone there really is there for one ultimate goal and that's to take care of people to help in any way we can, meaning that we can fix diseases. I just want your take on the how the patients felt and where they came through. And certainly when we started using the technology, because people do need to hear it's easy for a doctor to say oh go go get this done because you should but I love that you're like this is the first time I've seen this and it's it's it's beautiful to watch how you guys as a team. Yeah, everyone.Unknown Speaker  19:32  Well, I think it really comes shines through that that's true and everyone it has a great teamwork. I went from my perspective, it looks like everyone's there because they're like we have to be a players because we're saving people's lives. And that comes in from the RNs that we saw from the people in the lobby from from how you guys are showing up and and giving great bedside manner joking around everyone's having a good time. because you guys are in a great line of work where you're, again, saving people's lives, and even just talking to some of the the nurses there in our ends, you know, they're not just trying to make the experience where they're processing people, I thought that was really great. Where it's not like, oh, let's get this person with an IV and all these other things as fast as possible. It's like, no, like, Okay, you're sensitive, you've never gotten a needle or an IV or whatever. Let me figure out how to make it. So it's less obtrusive, or less intense. And I thought that was really great. And that's when why we're so excited. We're trying to say, hey, we're gonna add this brain FM thing into it. And they're like, that's gonna make our job even easier. And that was, that was really fun to say,Eric Rieger  20:43  I love the fact that that's what you said, because what I see brain FM being, I know that it's for the patient, but truly, the person who's going to see the benefit repeatedly is going to be the nurse who's already trying to be exactly what you said, to make sure that it's not a cattle call for the GI centre, or really any surgery centre. Yep, that wants to be appealing to the patient, but at the same time, allow their staff to all be really really good at not everybody is great at talking or, or joking appropriately with a patient and make them come down at ease. But if you could have something that was somewhat of an equaliser, yes, yes, that's been proven and tested, etc. That looks to me like something like brain FM could easily fit that mould really decreasing the burden on the staff that's checking.Unknown Speaker  21:31  Absolutely. And we were talking earlier about the fellows that we saw yesterday that had this great experience coming out and said that, you know, in previous cases, that he'd come out crying and distress and you think, not only the stress on him, but the stress on the nurses that would have to, you know, deal with them in that situation and calming down, and how that loads day after day on nurses that have to deal with that. Right. And, you know, to be able to relieve some of that burden is just absolutely enormous. And by the way, and what I saw at the centre yesterday was, you know, not only the nurses clearly care about people, but also just extremely efficient, and how quick the process was people with people going through, you know, and I had never been to a GI centre like that before, did not know what to expect. We were struck out. Yeah, how fast the whole thing was, it was amazing.Unknown Speaker  22:17  Yeah, I think investing, you know, in something like this is investing and also your employees, you know, they see that we were talking to believe it was Alexis. And she's like, this is ice 1000 People wake up a week. And I'm just today I can tell you that those people are waking up faster. And that's, that's something which, when, especially now trying to hire people in the in the world that we live in right now, you want to work at a company that is leading the charge and is something that you can feel really good about working there, because not only are they taking care of you, but they're taking care of everyone else. And I think that that really shone through yesterday as well.Eric Rieger  22:56  I think we're really lucky honestly can have G IA in this position to help us do this. Because it seems to me like this this lot. And we've talked about this on the show before but this company wants to be a an innovator, not just some big Gi Group. They want to help establish what should be some some good norms instead of some of the the throwaway old norms they want to be the ones that emerge southern think this is this is only going to pay a compliment to that.Ken Brown  23:23  Yeah. And I want to point something out when you're talking about the efficiency and all that, you know, let's what you did see is the efficiency in the preoperative and post operative, but you saw in the room that it was consistent, it was Eric and I focused. My technician, Mackenzie, we you guys saw that. It's just it's right there. It's the same process. And so by not worrying about the patient's concerns, or the concerns are alleviated when they come in, and I know that they're going to wake up in competent hands, I get to focus 100% on taking care of what I'm looking at with the endoscope. Eric gets to focus 100% on making sure that that patient is sedated and I work as a team and you saw how that is that the the flow of the room. And that's what's beautiful about the centre there. We're at that, although it's the efficiency sometimes people think oh, well, that that feels like you're moving too fast. No, the spot where we slow down is in that route.Unknown Speaker  24:22  Right? Yep. Yeah, we definitely saw that. Yeah, by efficiency. I just meant as a as somebody coming into the centre for procedure, I would be out of there in less than an hour, which was amazing to me. I always thought that outpatient procedures and you know, my take all afternoon I'd be sitting around all day, did not see any of that. It was really amazing.Eric Rieger  24:41  Yeah, it is a whole nother dynamic. Beyond that and why this is a good setup. But I do think it's a great setup because we huge exposure for something like brain FM so we can really prove this concept. So let's get into it. What in the world is brain FM? How does it work? He's rubbing his hands together.Unknown Speaker  25:00  Here we go, here we go. All right,Ken Brown  25:02  before you even get into this, let's at least can I, I love being around I love being the stupidest person in the room. And yesterday, I'm by far, I just felt like I'm just like playing catch up with Kevin all day long. It's just that you are wicked smart, and certainly have the credentials to prove it. And the way your passion towards this you the whole story. So before we even get into the science, oh, I was out last time.Eric Rieger  25:35  I was trying to follow the flow here.Ken Brown  25:38  How in the world? Did you become a PhD in this? Like, what is the path?Unknown Speaker  25:43  Sure, sure. Well, let's see. I was first interested, I think in the study of consciousness, I want to understand subjective experience. Why it is the case that we should experience anything at all rather than nothing? Why isn't it the case that humans are simply zombies with nothing on the inside, but you know, objects in the world, that kind of thing? Well, it turns out, it's hard to make a living as a consciousness research researcher. But it is possible to make a living as an attention researcher. And of course, attention and consciousness are very closely linked, at least in the sense that you tend to be conscious of what you're paying attention to. So I went into attention research in neuroscience. And within attention, I went into Auditory Research. Being a lifelong musician, just interested in sound in general, there's something magical about sound, right? It's ephemeral, you don't see it, it's in the air. And yet, it's so important to our daily lives, as you're experiencing right now. And so there's this magic about it. And I want wanted to understand, you know, the principles of how do you attend to sound in the world, right. And often, we're in these situations where we're trying to listen to the person talking to us in front of us, but there are other people talking around us, right? Or maybe we're on a busy street corner. Or say we're listening to a piece of music and just trying to hear the guitar part, but ignore the drums. And so there's this notion of a spotlight of attention in listening to things, right. And with the eyes, it's simple to understand how that happens, because you can move your eyeballs around, and you can point your eyes and things right? Well, we don't point our ears at things. We do that with our brain, right? And so if I'm sitting at the dinner table, and I want to listen to the person next to me, instead of the person in front of me, I don't have to turn my head to do that. I do something in my brain, right, that changes the spotlight of my attention so that I'm eavesdropping, right? And what is that process? How does that work? So I became very interested in that. I studied it in undergrad and then then went on to grad school, and did my dissertation on something called The Cocktail Party Problem, which is exactly the problem I've just described. And again, you know that the eyes being a two dimensional sheet, objects already arrived on the retina separated, right, but the eardrum is not a two dimensional sheet that your drum is a one dimensional receiver where you just get pressure over time, sounds mix in the air before they arrive at the ear. And it's the brains problem to unmix those sounds right? This is absolutely fascinating computational problem. So I study that for seven years. And in the process of doing that, I developed some methods to do online auditory experiments, which hadn't been done before. And long story short, you know, the, the old guard in auditory computational neuroscience would have said, Oh, I have have to bring people into my sound attenuated chamber, I have to make you wear my calibrated headphones. And therefore I can only run two subjects a day. Well, it turns out that if you do things online and use the right methods, you can collect 100 participants that day. And the date ends up being roughly the same, you know, with a few more participants, you can even out the noise that's otherwise introduced, but slightly messy online methods. It turns out, it's a massively more efficient way to run experiments. And one day, by chance in the supermarket, I ran into an old colleague of mine, so excited about these methods, I went on and on and on. And she had just hooked up with brain FM. And in that she was a consultant for them. Wow, bright brain FM, this, you know, wonderful company, they're doing functional music. And they really need somebody to, as you know, as a team of one to run lots of lots of experiments, behavioural experiments to figure out, you know, what is the ideal background music for doing, you know, XYZ. And I jumped on that immediately. I started consulting for brain FM, even before I defend what yours is,Eric Rieger  29:27  do you think, Oh, thisUnknown Speaker  29:28  would have been 20? Nothing? No, no, no, no. 1819 2018 Oh, yeah. Yeah, bless. Yeah. Say I defended in 2018. Yep. And so six months before that, I was I was consulting with Brian FM and, and I remember the day that I defended my dissertation, I signed the employment contract with Brian. Nice, very, very happy day.Unknown Speaker  29:49  snagging right out.Ken Brown  29:51  any room at all? And theUnknown Speaker  29:53  rest? Yeah, the rest is history. And it was gone to do some really incredible things. We got a grant from the National Science Foundation to look into music for ADHD. Out of that has come a this beautiful piece of work that has behavioural experiments has fMRI brain scanning and has EEG, and another method of looking at brain physiology. And we combined all of these methods to essentially show how our focus music works. Yeah, the results are really great. The papers currently in peer review at nature. We're really excited to see how that goes. Yeah, so that's currently currently where we're at with brain FM. Super excited to explain how it actually works. But maybe, since Yeah.Eric Rieger  30:41  We have to round out and ask Dan. Dan, you mentioned maybe on this podcast, my memory is already fuzzy, but you didn't found brain FM but you hopped on it. The moment that you saw there was an opening so why don't you to go over how you got here?Unknown Speaker  30:56  Yeah, so I have a very interesting story that's different than Kevin so I, I started making websites when I was 13. I loved it. I thought it was like a nother kind of video game that you could play. And I am a sucker blackbelt. So I made martial arts websites made the first one for my school, and they went from getting 30 leads to 130 leadsKen Brown  31:19  sorry, somebody that's done martial arts his whole life. What second degree and what? Mixed martialUnknown Speaker  31:23  arts so it concentrated in jujitsu? Krav Maga, Muay Thai and Cuba.Eric Rieger  31:28  Sweet. Yeah, Lucinda Drew.Unknown Speaker  31:32  So yeah, so I did that for a while. And I went to make martial arts websites because I made it for one person. He's like, can you make it for all my friends. And before I was out of high school, I had 20 clients were dropped out of high school, ended up having, you know, 40 clients at one time. And so my first business when I was 20, travel the world and came back and I said, I wonder if I can do this again. Maybe I got lucky. And I started working with businesses and bringing them online and building lead generation businesses and started doing more and more complicated things like POS systems, I started doing digital advertising became digital director of a company at a like 24 years old. And from the outside, I made it you know, I was making more money than my parents, you know, like travelling around the United States selling million dollar contracts. But I didn't I hit this point where I didn't feel like I was as really like helping people like I did when I was teaching martial arts. Because we used to use martial arts as a vehicle to take a kid from being not really confident or sure of himself into a leader into being someone and I'm I'm an effective that I was really shy, I got bullied on mercilessly in fifth grade. I was a little chubby and, and martial art transformed me. So even though I made success, you know, financially, I didn't really find success success personally. And, you know, I had this life or death situation, which is a whole nother podcast to talk through. And I realised I need to quit my job, quit my job, I came across brain FM, like three months later, when I was looking for what I should do, I knew I wanted to work in tech, again, to help people. I remember using it the first time and being blown away. Because I used to work from 10pm to 4am, because that's where I could find my flow state, right. Like, I could find that magic zone where I could just jump into things. And I remember taking my headphones off the first time and being like, this is too good to be true. This is no way this is working. I was super speculative. And I was I was this is just music, right. And I remember trying I save 24 hours and then used it still worked. My diet still worked. And it was it was perfect. Because it was something that allowed me to switch into focus whenever I wanted to. And from then I was like this is going to be something that changed the world. I called the people that created the company like 12 times, I actually started working for free and absurdly the tech team becoming CEO and then purchasing the company. So wild ride, never never intended to do that. But along the way, you know, obviously Kevin, Kevin and I are together as well as a lot of other great team members. We're really trying to use brain FM as a tool to help people be their best self, their best best version of themselves. And while we are doing that consumer you know now we get to do it in the medical space and help people have best health that they can have. And that's something that's we're really excited about isEric Rieger  34:40  awesome stories it y'all linked by passion, which I find really endearing for the process.Ken Brown  34:46  So we're doing so at at atrantil and certainly with the practice and everything we really like to discuss what is the what is our collective why what is my why? What is the the companies Why if we're all on the same way, what I'm just hearing, I'm just writing little notes here. I'm like, wow, both you guys driven by the Why have you have this knowledge, Kevin, that you are like, wow, this could really, it's so I come from this music background and I understand this and I can do this. And Dan, you have this incredible like, this is where I came from I, I need to I'm it's not a money thing. It's a The why is how do we get everyone else on the same page. And we hooked up because we're in that car that one day, we were being shuttled to the to the meeting we're going to and the why was wow, that sounds like that could really help my patients and you're like, the more I think about I think I can and I like when the y's align. And you can move that forward and get more people doing it. The beauty of brain FM is that you can teach people that they are capable of their Why suddenly they can unleash that. So when I meet with so many people that have irritable bowel syndrome, and which is associated or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, SIBO, Crohn's, ulcerative colitis where they're kind of consumed by negative thoughts and anxiety. And there's that brain gut access, that Kevin's nodding, because he's like, that's definitely the cool part. So I want to affect the brain by protecting the gut. Kevin knows so much about the brain that we realised we're kind of meeting there were so I think that this collective why if we could expand this circle of why into okay, we now know that am Serge and envision is getting the why they're like, yes, we can do this. And now we can get the why going with the doctors going, we all can have this collective why, which is one thing, how do we get more people to have a better experience in healthcare and ultimately, collectively improve the health of everyone? You guys are doing it to the brain? I'm trying to do it through the budget.Unknown Speaker  36:58  So yeah, well, that's.Ken Brown  37:03  So I love hearing that story. I didn't know that. I mean, we've talked to me for hours and hours. I did not know that's a really, really cool story.Eric Rieger  37:10  Just a brief primer on, on how we all linked up there, because you just barely hinted at it is we you and I had met in snow skiing together, you have snowboarding on snow skiing, had a great time. And then we decided to ride together for the summer meeting. Yep, to the same group and share a shuttle. No pretence at all, we just got hopped into conversation about how are things going. And it probably took about 10 miles or a 70 mile ride. Before we determine, wait a second, there's something there is something here. Yeah. And so anyway, that's that's just my short version on how I showed up here today.Ken Brown  37:49  I love it a lot.Unknown Speaker  37:50  So I guess without further ado, should we talk about what's here and talk about some of the science?Unknown Speaker  37:54  Yeah. Finally, all right,Ken Brown  37:57  now we're gonna get into some cool stuff. All right, this is if you are, if you're listening to this, get a pen and a piece paper out because this is cool, cool, cool stuff. This is not just listening to music, I love that.Unknown Speaker  38:09  And so the trick with this is always to make it you know, straightforward and understandable. And hopefully, you won't need pen and paper to understand what's going on here. So simply put, a lot of neural activity activity is rhythmic, right? These rhythms, slow, fast, everything in between. And the rhythms in the brain support, perception, cognition, and action, essentially, those three things that the brain does. One that you may have heard of, are delta waves when you're sleeping, that's probably you know, the most common widely known one. But their rhythms are all sorts of different speeds that support pretty much you know, anything that you're doing in your daily life. And the idea behind brain FM, is, it's music that's specifically engineered to drive these rhythms in the brain called neural oscillations, or if you'd like brainwaves to drive your brainwaves in targeted ways, right? To support whatever you need to be doing, right. And so for example, we know what brainwaves in the focus brain look like? They're at particular speeds in particular regions. And so what we do is we say, okay, let's use the odd, let's use the auditory system as input for neuromodulation. Right? And so how can we use an auditory input to drive your brainwaves into the state that we know supports focus, right? And so we figured out that out and that's what we have our paper that's coming out shortly on, but because the principle is using the auditory system as a neuromodulator it's not just a one trick pony, right? So we can support focus, we can support relaxation, we can support sleep, and now we're discovering that we can, you know, support people going under and waking up from anaesthesia as well. So it's really it's a delivery method for you know, driving your brain into whatever state you need for, for what you need to be doing. Right. And so again, this is, you know, it's what we call functional music, which we'd like to make the distinction between that and, you know, what you might call art music with a capital A. Right? Which is that, you know, in modern times with artists and albums, there's a conception of music as something that primarily exists for self expression and for beauty and to connect to your audience. Well, things haven't always been that way, right. And if you go back 500 years, 1000 years, it's not about artists and albums. It's about music that is designed to do things for people, for example, you know, a lullaby a lullaby is a perfect example of ancient functional music. Because the point of a lullaby is not to sound beautiful. Maybe you also want that, but the point of a lullaby is to put a baby to sleep. Right? And similarly, you know, you have music that was used to help people do physical labour, right? Or music to march to if you're in an army, right? And the point of marching music is not to sound beautiful is to make people walk in lockstep, right. Another good example is dance music, right? And dance is a perfect example of this principle of rhythms in the brain and rhythms in the world. Which by the way, is called entrainment. That's a concept that you may be familiar with, which is, rhythms in the brain reflect rhythms in the world?Ken Brown  41:22  Yeah, what threw me off a little bit. Sorry.Eric Rieger  41:24  Just to catch up on everyone on on the vocabulary. I want to hear your just brief explanation of neuromodulation Sure, I've entrainment is another might have been one more, but just just to keep everybody on the same? Sure.Unknown Speaker  41:35  Sure. Sure. So neuromodulation is just a broader term that refers to, you know, inducing a change in the brain through an external stimulus, right. It could be a magnetic field, it could be electrical currents. But it could also be sensory stimulation, right? In this case, auditory system. And treatment is a form of neuromodulation, where you're providing a rhythmic input to induce a rhythmic response from the brain, right. And so you have this oscillating system, neural circuits of the resonance frequencies. And so you're basically pushing on this neural circuit in a rhythmic way and a response in a rhythmic, rhythmic way. And because the brain has this property of training to things around it, then you can drive the rhythms in the brain to help support what you need to do. Okay, which is, yeah, we're where I started. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward and simple example of that coming back around as dance, right? That's one that everybody understands. You hear the rhythm and the music and your body moves to that. And that's entrainment and what's called the auditory motor system, right? And also, by the way, if you want to know, how quickly does it take for brain FM to kick in, which is a question that we always get asked, I asked back, Well, how long does it take between when you hear dance music? And when you want to dance? Yeah, right? The answer is, it depends on how closely you're attending to the music, right? It depends on how intense the beats are. And all that's true for brain FM as well. But you know, the real answers, maybe 30 seconds, maybe a minute, if you're not really listening, if you're in the right mood, maybe 10 seconds, right. But that's the sort of timescale and ballpark timescale when you're talking about rhythmic entrainment in the auditory system. And interesting thing about dance music, right, is that the functional properties of dance music are completely dissociated from the aesthetic properties of dance music, right? Yes, you can listen to music that sounds terrible, and still makes you want to dance. And that's a perfect demonstration of functional versus art in music, right? And so what we've done in brain FM is we've said, okay, you know, we know entrainment is the thing, but instead of, you know, relatively slow rates that you will bounce to, you know, you can actually drive the brand very fast rates that support focus, or very slow rates that support sleep. And that's anything in between, and everything in between. And that's the principle.Unknown Speaker  43:47  What's really cool about it as well is in addition to all the things that Kevin is saying, we're also able to do it through sound, where it's something that is not obtrusive, or it stops you from what you're doing. So for example, in focusing, it's it's not something that you have to watch, or like meditation, you meditate, and then you focus this is as long as you are doing the activity. So what's nice about it is usually our work is visual, to why adding music to it, it's allowing us to focus better and work like we normally would. And the same thing in hospitals, right? And in the clinic that we were just at is this is music that you put on top. And it doesn't take away from the experience. People can still you know, hear what you're saying instructions, it's not something that they're putting over their eyes. One interesting thing about music compared or sound compared to light is what like one out of 18,000 people are epileptic,Unknown Speaker  44:47  right, the light can occasionally induce epilepsy, but music will not. Yeah, sound induced epilepsy is not only extremely rare, but it's also not due to rhythms. It's triggered by you know, things that have to do with your past. So the sound of a car crash or something might trigger trigger epilepsy for sound. Whereas with light, it's a very automatic thing where once you hurt once you hit a certain frequency of light flashing, you know, if you have that kind of photosensitive photosensitive epilepsy, it'll set you off. Not so with music, so it's extremely safe. Yeah, so,Unknown Speaker  45:19  so sound is really this perfect medium to apply to things that we're already doing, whether it's relaxing, sleeping, or going through surgery, but it's also something that's incredibly safe. Because we have all of these things that we've evolved to have that protect us from sound, the worst thing that can happen is maybe it's too loud. That that's, you know, very, that's, that's actually not even probably going to happen because of the way commercial headphones are made. You know, it's a very safe thing to add to your regimen.Eric Rieger  45:51  So what do y'all call this particular technology? And then how did you arrive at this technology? Because I know it's not the first iteration of utilising sound, you've even said, you know, it's been years ago from the lullaby to now. So what's this call that we're bringing in uses? Sure.Unknown Speaker  46:06  Well, I think we like to call it brain FM. It's it Yeah, it is. It is unique. We have, you know, patents on the process that we use to make this music because it is so unique, you know. Let's see. There are other methods of training the brain for example, you could flashlights that people like we were just saying, but you can't get your work done. If you're having lights flashed at you. Right? There's there's a conflict there. So Sam is really a great way to do it. Yeah, I don't think we have a really good name for the technologyKen Brown  46:40  there. Let me ask you a quick question. So I'm somebody that I own a different centre someplace else, like, oh, yeah, I heard this podcast you know what we're gonna do? I love Coldplay, so I'm gonna make everybody listen to Coldplay as they get in there. Because Coldplay does it for me. Explain the difference?Unknown Speaker  46:55  Yeah. So before we do that, I think so obviously, brain FM as a company, you know, we do have patents like, like Kevin saying, I would just say that every time we the reason why we call it brain FM is because every time we learn more, we actually grow and build and change brain FM. So it's an ever evolving thing, where brain FM was five years ago, and where it is now. And our understanding of the brain and even the music we produce different. As far as this of what we're making for health care. This is really brain health, that we're really focusing on as a pursuit, and it is different than our consumer product. And Kevin can share some of the things that we arrive to it. And it actually it's funny, because Coldplay was one of the control groups that we did that dimension. So when you when we first started talking about, hey, I think this is something that we could do. I think I share that story of my girlfriend. We were saying, I remember telling Kevin, I was like, Hey, can we make relax? We just play a relaxed music. And he's like, Yeah, we could but let me check to check. And he started finding all this free search, which I'll just like Kevin say, but it was just incredibly exciting. Because from that start, we were able to eventually build a product that blew the wall to off everything that existed so far, we can see that with science.Eric Rieger  48:14  So that's that's kind of where I was going. So I when you and I very first got engaged with this topic and what brain FM was. I think one of the first questions that can ask is how does this compare to some someone utilising binaural? Beats? Yeah, and then that that's really kind of what I was getting at is that that is more or less in, correct me if I'm wrong, but static in where it is. And just as you described, y'all have been evolving and finding new applications for brain FM proprietary applications. Whereas by neuro is a great discovery. However, y'all are evolutionsUnknown Speaker  48:55  on Yeah, I'll start and then I'll give it to Kevin. So you know, this, like we were saying before, it has been tried to be done forever. Sure, functional music lullabies those existed for 1000s of years. And then a lot of people are familiar with music that they they play to elicit a response. So when you go to spas, you hear the waterfalls and the relaxing, you know that because you're trying to have a relaxing experience. What we've done is we've taken that to another level. Now, to your point, binaural beats isochronic tones, those have existed for a long time. And that's when for anyone that hasn't heard about this is when you play one frequency in one year and one frequency in the other. And they basically combined in your brainstem, right? And that creates entrainment in your brain. But it's not as precise as what we're looking for. It still has effects but they're diminishing or they're not. They're not as rigorous as we'd like to know that this is 100% effective. So when we were creating brain FM, it was well this is something that's there but how How could we make it more effective? And Kevin, I'll share in a second, but the difference between is instead of modulating frequencies, we actually modulate amplitude. Mm hmm. Kevin, you want to explain that?Unknown Speaker  50:12  Sure. Yeah. So I can talk about by now binaural beats specifically. And Dan is absolutely right, you have two different frequencies coming in the two different ears. The difference between those frequencies creates beating in the brainstem, essentially, that if you were to take two sine waves of slightly different frequencies, sum them together, what you would end up with is amplitude modulation, basically interference between two very similar assignments. So for example, I've 400 hertz and one year 410 Hertz in the other ear, in the brainstem, I'm creating a 10 hertz amplitude modulation, okay, right dude with some of those things. Now, the issue? Well, there's several issues. One is that the brainstem was limited and how strongly it can pass those modulations up to the cortex, right, the cortex has a high level of the brain where all the interesting stuff happens. So even if you have, you know, it doesn't matter how loud those frequencies are in your two years, the the level of modulation created in the brainstem will cap out at a certain amount. But if you put that modulation directly in in each ear, instead of relying on the brainstem to produce it, you can get a much stronger response from cortex, right. So in terms of the strength of entrainment, and binaural beats is also about entrainment right? It's about producing this modulation, that then in trance cortex, the strength of that entrainment is much less than binaural beats because it is produced, because modulations produced by the brain instead of existing in the sound signal, right? A practical issue is that with binaural beats, you're limited to listening to tones. So when you listen to binaural beats, what you're hearing is, and one year and and the other year, I love that song. Exactly. No one loves that. Right? And so what we've done in brain FM is we found a way to insert modulation into music, right? So that it's enjoyable, and you get those effects as well. Right?Unknown Speaker  52:04  Yeah. And we can we can send over a demo if you want to stitch it to the end of this podcast so people can see here. Well,Eric Rieger  52:11  that's honestly one of the coolest parts is is the fact that y'all can y'all can put the effective portion of brain FM inside the genre that anybody wishes to listen to. That's right. It's one of the coolest things because I was even asking you when you were first describing Oh, is it? Is it country to go to sleep? And is it hard rock to wake up? And he said, actually, it's whatever you want, for anything that you want. And I thought that was the coolest explanation, because you're not limited to some type of genre, just simply because that's how you need to feel.Unknown Speaker  52:42  Absolutely. And to be clear, you know, most music is rhythmic, and therefore most music has amplitude modulation in it. But it's not targeted in the way that brain FM is, right. It's it's a byproduct of the artists doing their thing. So if you're listening to Coldplay, right, they have a mix of whole notes and half notes and whatever, you know, musical things are going on and do that they have amplitude modulation at all sorts of different frequencies happening, right? If they're at, you know, 120 BPM and they're playing whole notes, then they have, you know, one hertz or whatever it is maybe two hertz. But with brain FM, what we're saying is, okay, we know the frequency that we want the brain to hit. So we're going to directly insert amplitude modulations, at exactly 16 hertz, or, you know, whatever it happens to be, and make those the dominant modulation frequency in the brain. Whereas with music, you have all these overlapping frequencies. And you know, the, the target is to make it sound beautiful not to drive the brain into a certain solitary state. Right. And so, by the way, with Coldplay, we did this very large online study, we had 200 participants in this, we gave them a standard questionnaire called the profile of mental states looking at, among other things, tension and relaxation. And we had Coldplay as a control. We had brain FM, we also had another piece of music very fascinating. That was made by music therapists and was hailed as the most relaxing song in the world, it was used in multiple studies, it was shown to reduce blood pressure to similar extent as benzodiazepines to for people undergoing surgery. And we found that we beat that would be called Les by a mile. And we beat that song as well. You know, error bars were small relative to the difference between them highly, statistically significant. So that was very cool to see.Ken Brown  54:21  So the last part again, one more time, because it's based on science. And what I said Coldplay, kind of jokingly because I like Coldplay, and that didn't realise that they actually studied that. And so this was compared to a scientifically or supposedly scientifically derived music considered the most relaxing music in the world and I guess you paid yourself you like you went you just went immediately to the deepest water you could findUnknown Speaker  54:46  that's exactly right. We we did the hardest tests, we always try to give ourselves the hardest test. By the way, it's a track called weightless by Marconi union is extremely Google will you'll find it was CNR CNN article written about it, and we said okay, if this is the king of the hill, We're going to beat it. And we did. Wow.Unknown Speaker  55:03  Yeah. And we do that from some of the things that Kevin was talking about earlier, which were there's online experiments. So think about it, you know, we can actually test 1000s of people, and we know all the knobs to play. So not only are we doing these neural phase locking these amplitude modulation, we actually do other things in music, like 3d sound. So when you're in some of our relaxing music, we actually shift some of the sound from right here to left here, almost like you're in a hammock, sometimes, we have different BPM rates, different kinds of genres specific to make you feel more relaxed. And as we learn more about you, and what you prefer, we can actually have even a better response. And, you know, getting back on track on some of the stuff that we're doing with you guys, and hopefully more people in the future. We started looking at this from a science based procedure and saying, Okay, this is what the world says is the most relaxing music in the world. Let's beat it. And I believe it would be like, like 50 50% or 5%. It's a pretty pretty demonstrable, especially compared to,Ken Brown  56:08  just to clarify that was like, first iteration, you guys continually improve what you're goingUnknown Speaker  56:13  Oh, yep, yep. And now it just comes down to so we have improved sense and now it's comes down to doing clinical trials with real people to say okay, we've improved as much as we can outside the environment. Now let's make it better in the environment and continually testEric Rieger  56:29  one or something else that that you mentioned, Kevin, that I feel like is, is maybe even just glossed over as we're talking about comparing it to Coldplay or or waitlist, is you said benzodiazepines also. So now you're talking about comparing sound to a drug and a bit of die as a pain, of course, is what we use, if you're curious, that's verse said, that's out of and that's value. These are things that people religiously take for, as an analytic try to stop that. So the fact that you didn't just go to the deepest water and sound, you went straight to the heart of what we use and anaesthesia, chemically to allow people to alleviate their anxiety, and that's quite measurable.Ken Brown  57:11  Alright, so let's bring that up because you said religiously tape. But the reality is, is that benzodiazepines have an extremely addictive potential as well. Correct. So people that suffer from anxiety and using those medications to try and get through that there are tremendous rich,Eric Rieger  57:27  so in before we hit on that just just the array of benzo and benzo like drugs. I mean, it doesn't just stop with those three, you're talking also about Xanax, Ambien, senesce, those, all of those fit at some level to be maximum GABA agonist. So when you say that what you have by comparison is something that's effective. We don't know this today. But potentially y'all could be unlocking a way for people not to be dependent upon taking these drugs to to get better sleep to alleviate their anxiety, etc. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  58:02  I mean, this is definitely a road that we see could be possible. Obviously, there's a lot of work to be involved involved right now. But we do have testimonials of users that, like reach out and they say, Hey, I haven't slept well in 10 years. And I tried brain FM a lot last night, and I've been on Ambien, I've been on Lunesta, and I slept better than any drug I've ever taken. Right. And now we're I'm not here saying that this is a cure or treatment. Yeah. But this could be an alternative approach where maybe you can take less trucks, or you can do this before you try drugs, or, you know, whatever. And, you know, I think that gives someone more control and freedom.Ken Brown  58:41  As someone who tries to incorporate different lifestyle modulations to improve my life to try and incorporate these different things with my patients. When we talk about let's talk about benzodiazepine addiction, we can get into the fact that benzos works similar to alcohol. So I work with a lot of patients with liver disease, and we try and get over that. Well, the beauty that I really like about this is that just like you said, when you meditate to try and focus, you are meditating, and then you're going to try and have focus. What I love is I'll actually stack this kind of stuff. I will and Eric's a big sauna fan also. And so I will put my brain FM on I will go into the sauna, and I will do breathing exercises all at once. And I love is absolutely you know, it's I'm, I feel like I'm focusing on my breath. I know that I'm getting that neuromodulation that's going to happen anyways and start stimulating that area to try and do that. And I'm getting the benefits of the sauna that's there. And so just we're not saying that one thing does something or other but when we start on my lifestyle modifications, this is like one of the easiest as the other stuff you need a sauna like when I tell my patients I'm like you know sauna therapy is good. I don't have access to it. Okay, do you let's do some breathing and some meditation. I can't I'm super busy and whatever. Okay, how about just putting some headphones on? Yeah. How about that? Let's start with that and see what happens.Unknown Speaker  1:00:11  And it's something that, you know, one of the reasons why I was so attracted to the company in the beginning was, it isn't just for, you know, people that it is for everyone. It doesn't actually matter if you speak English or not, none of our none of our music is created with lyrics. And one thing I think we glossed over is actually we have in house composers that are makeup, that's gonna be my next question. Yeah. So we have people that have toured with some of the greatest bands ever, which, you know, I don't know if we can disclose, but some really great talented musicians. And they're, they're taking this in making this from a functional approach, where it's music that sounds great, it's music that has all the scientific effects, and all the knobs turned the right way to have the effect we're trying to, you know, get for the user. But it's also not necessarily music, that is going to be your favourite song. Because that's not the goal, right? The goal is to make an effect that can be measured in your brain, and is not just sometimes it's every time, whether you're trying to relax, you're trying to sleep, you're trying to focus,Unknown Speaker  1:01:13  and it's music that will sit comfortably in the background. So for example, with our focus music in particular, you know, a lot of people don't realise that. If I'm a music producer, normally, my job is to grab your attention. My job is to make music punchy, and make you sit up and distract you from whatever you're trying to do. Right. And so we've we've flipped the script on that, and we say, Okay, well, we know the tricks they're using to make music punchy and grabbing your attention. Let's do the opposite. You know, what can we do to make music still sound good and be entertaining, but help you work by not distracting you? Right? And because we have a different target than everybody else who ended up making different music than everybody else.Eric Rieger  1:01:50  So figuring this out, you some people say they're an audio file, I would say that You are the supreme audio file doctor. Yeah, no, no. But not not only that, you also play guitar. And we talked about this briefly yesterday. So when you have when when y'all team up with your composers to come in house to build stuff? Just just how does it happen? How do y'all know what sounds good for it to match together? And you're like that that'll work here? I mean,Unknown Speaker  1:02:19  absolutely well about it. They're much better musicians than I am. For starters, my job is to annoy the heck out of our musicians by saying, that's a bit too good. That's, uh, you know, that that melody that you made, it's too catchy, you know, oh, that that percussive part as normal music, it would be totally awesome. Yeah, right now, you know, we're not trying to grab people's attention. And so just sort of to remind them of the science and the target and that kind of thing. But,Eric Rieger  1:02:47  so what was the session? Like for them? Are they there for like, four hours, and they're cutting one track? Or?Unknown Speaker  1:02:52  Oh, they make enormous quantities of music. They're so good at it. In terms of a session, so they work in Ableton, you know, okay, yeah. So they have DAWs we have proprietary software that plugs into Ableton that helps us layer the science on top of music, essentially, that's what what's happening. And the principles of composition they use from the ground up, are meant meant to support whatever mental state right? So, you

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    Ep 61: Michael Ruark

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2021 83:54

    Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family. I hope that you're having a great day soon to be joined by my awesome co host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. It's time for episode number 61. And today's episode, I'm just going to ask everyone, no matter what part of the spectrum that you come from, come with an open mind on this episode. This is a fantastic episode very, very informative. Our guest today is Michael ruark. He is the lead strategist for only one of three licenced medical cannabis companies. Good blend medical cannabis. And yes, that is THC, which is utilised as a medicine for specially designated criterion. And they update it every single year. So September 1, which we just recorded this right before September 1, there's actually a whole new list of medical conditions, which are now legal to be treated by medical professionals. And believe it or not, they have a network of already over 500 positions throughout the state of Texas since 2018, which are licenced and actively dispense medical cannabis. And good blend is one of those companies. So Michael joins the show today to really answer some fantastic questions. And Michael's an amazing person in his own right. He's, he's got a an electrical engineering degree from Stanford as well as his master's he served in the US Air Force, he led a team at National Security Agency, the NSA. I mean, this man is no slouch, he came to this profession to this company. By no mistake whatsoever. He simply doesn't want to just do good. He wants to do great by the citizens of Texas and simply help people live a better life. There's a better way for some of the elements out there and he has a very, very strong passion for helping out our veterans and the Veterans Administration. 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I am joined by my awesome co host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. And we got a special guest today, Mr. Marcus ruark. Ken, why don't you go ahead and fill us in.5:38  So it's gonna be super exciting show. Today we have Marcus ruark. And this is something that is very, very important. It's important for my patients. It's important for anybody that deals with all kinds of diseases, but I'm thrilled to have him here. thrilled to be here. Marcus, thank you so much for coming in Marcus ruark is president of good blend, Texas, which is headquartered in Austin, Texas, and proudly sells cannabis products that are cultivated and produced right here in the Lone Star State as one of only three state licenced medical dispensaries. Now, Marcus, I saw your bio, this is super cool, you have a very interesting background. And prior to joining good blend, you received your electrical engineering degree from Stanford. Then you received your master's degree at Stanford and I keep saying Stanford because Eric and I both have kids which are applying for college. And when I see Stanford, that's the sort of crown jewel that most parents want their kids to go to. And they like tennis players. And they like you received your master's degree at Stanford in management, science and engineering. Following this, you went on to serve as a captain in the US Air Force, where you lead your team in the National Security Agency, followed by advanced Systems Division of us Space Command. That's crazy. Following that, your bio discusses a lot of other really fascinating things that I want to get into. But before we get into that, I want to talk a little bit about what's not in your bio. Okay, tell me about you. Family. What's going on with Marcus?7:21  Sure. Well, we just had a big week in the ruag family took my daughter to college, which you just alluded to a little bit ago there. She's going to San Diego State nice, pretty excited about that. But also, you know, it's a little bit anxious and first first kid out of the nest, so to speak. So that's exciting. And then my son started up eighth grade first time back in school since spring of his sixth grade year, right when everybody went home for COVID. So very exciting there too, and he's trying out for football. So fingers crossed,7:49  right on, right on.7:51  That's a plate right there. And so San Diego State that's Trojans, she's a Trojan Aztecs, Aztecs. Yeah. I'm learning too. Nice. All right, that's a Southern California Nevermind. Sorry.8:02  So the family, your background, there was this huge section in your bio, we're very clearly you have an entrepreneurial spirit, you have leadership skills, you are willing to push the boundaries a bit and try some different positions technologies. Can you give me what led you up to this?8:24  Absolutely. So after I got out of the Air Force, I was very interested in joining the the high tech scene that was happening in San Francisco. So did that ride around? Actually not the best time for that because it was right around the bubble here is where there was a big crash back in 2000. But that being said, really got interested in bringing new products to new markets, and bringing new benefits to customers who maybe hadn't seen those benefits before in the past. So very exciting, did a lot of startups founded a lot of companies. And then at some point I crossed over into healthcare so a startup in the healthcare space and it hit me then that as rewarding as I thought it had been doing startups in high tech to do in healthcare it was even more special because not only are you starting a company but you're actually helping people right we were helping doctors treat patients better we were helping patients have better outcomes in their in their hospitals stays. So it was really rewarding. And at some point after that, I was able to join a company called Fluence which you probably saw on the on the resume, but they were in the LED lighting space. And I started there to help out with the customer experience for their customer base. And I learned that the customer base was primarily in three segments, customers who are coming to a growing produce companies who are growing flowers, and then cannabis companies and can imagine which one of the segments was probably the fastest growing it was their cannabis customers and so that was entirely new to me the cannabis world and I as you guys have I dove deeply into it the endocannabinoid system the the benefits of cannabis and learned about cultivation and Creation of products and distribution, all that kind of good stuff. And right around, I guess was the spring of 2017, Texas announced the grant of the first couple of licences for the Texas compassionate use programme. And when, you know, I reached out to one of the companies and say, I think I can help you guys here in Texas. And so I came on board as president of goodwill in Texas at that time.10:21  And that's fascinating. So I mean, obviously, it was just natural as a natural progression. You ended up seeing that there was a need, it was certainly new to you. Sounds like maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but you're inspired by things that you don't know enough about, but seem intriguing could help people I'm still learning10:35  and so much to learn in this space still, but but it ends up it's a great match for all that because it's it's technology, right? It's, it's horticulture, and it's it's helping people within today, right was what was what we're here to do is help Texans.10:48  So it's an electrical engineer, I get that you were drawn to the LED space, but then getting drawn to healthcare and now more of a I mean, what would you describe your position at good blood?10:59  I, I'm leading the entire Texas team here. Everything from cultivation, to product development, formulation, packaging, distribution, working with physicians, working with patient support groups, so pretty much everything setting strategy product roadmap and trying to build a great culture for the team here.11:18  So one of the things that we talk about in our company is the why the why the underlying reason why all this is happening, because if you don't have a solid, why then what you're describing, nobody else really will believe in that. But it sounds like you found your y even if you haven't defined your y statement, you found the Y11:37  Well, I can define it for you. It's we are empowering Texans to find their well being right through natural medicines that our patients say work. And it's, it's, it's so rewarding. Now, we have a we have a group of we have a role the company called mobile wellness coordinators, and these are the folks it's probably one of the hardest jobs at the company, you have to be knowledgeable about cannabis, the endocannabinoid system, talking to patients, so you have to be bit of an extrovert, right? It'll talk to patients. But you also have to drive across the large distances of Texas to deliver medicine to patients doors. So you also have to be a bit of an introvert there to be happy listening to podcasts while you're driving. They have the best job in the company, though, because when they're making that second delivery to a patient, they get to hear how that patient did they could hear the patient testimonials, and they're incredibly rewarding. And it's I feel really almost envious that they get to do this. But they're they're so nice to come back and share their stories with us after they've had these amazing conversations.12:38  So where are you with the company before they ended up having their first dispense of their certified? Yeah,12:45  I've been with the company since 2017. We served our first patients in early 2019. Okay, and what12:52  was it like? What was the anticipation like to get your first patient that had been referred in and and bringing those physicians on board to do that here in a state that didn't do it before?13:01  Well, I think predict my answer was huge and hugely rewarding. Like I said, it's this, the testimonies we hear are fantastic. And as we've come to market with even a wider set of products, different ratios of CBD to THC, different terpene profiles, were able to help more people were able to give prescribing doctors more choices, and patients more choices on how they how they help themselves.13:28  But it just seems like it would be a really cool opportunity to paint a picture of how you feel like you're going to be able to deliver something that maybe a physician doesn't feel like they've got a total grasp, because that's why you would offer an alternative. And then now you've recruited them to go now then just a new novel way, but prior to your launch wasn't really necessarily well embraced. How hard is it to get that message and get physicians to want to buy in to do that?13:54  It is still a challenge today. Sure. And one of the reasons I'm so excited that you invited me here today is because one of my number one missions right now is to try to get the word out to increase awareness. I suspect. We don't have a random text in here right now. But if we grabbed one walked outside in the heat, and ask them if cannabis was legal in the state of Texas, most likely they're gonna say no. And even for the patient groups where it is legal right now, most of them don't know that it's legal. So our number one job right now is creating awareness growing the number of Texans who are aware that they have this treatment available to them. And I really appreciate being on a show like this to help get the word out.14:32  What I think is so cool is that somebody with your pedigree has chosen to do this and now finding out why you chose to do it, which is you got into healthcare, you had the opportunity to do these, these other companies where it could have just been about financial reward. But once you got in and saw the impact that you can have that then you chose to do this with that message of we're going to empower people to take, take their health over what was your statement again,14:57  you're going to empower empower them to take charge with Their own wellbeing,15:01  empower them to take charge of their own well being. That's something that I try to do as a physician all the time. And so many times, it's limited because of the insurance plan because of lack of funding because of lack of efficacy. Sure. So I'm thrilled that Texas decided to do this because we've been waiting to see this happen. I've talked to my colleagues and other states, where medical cannabis is legal. And they tell me about the success that they're having with their patients. As a gastroenterologist, when I looked at, let me just pick a patient population, like my inflammatory bowel disease patients, I'm open to discuss things I I'm more of a functional type person. So I will ask these questions. And if somebody has Crohn's disease, and they're between the ages of 18 to 40, I just say, Are you using cannabis for your health? And they'll stop and be like, yeah, how did you guess? Yeah, I mean, they just go, yeah. And because they're on forums, they're talking. And I said, well, it's pretty exciting, because I think we're headed that way with Texas. And I think that we can make this so that you don't, so that you can have control over this so that you can actually empower your own health with this with products that are meticulously cultivated that have Certificate of analysis that you don't question, which is what good blend is doing. Right. Right.16:23  Well, the other the other message I'd like to get across and it ties into what you just said, is that it's actually easy to do, it's easy to get into the programme. So right, not only do they do Texans not know what exists, but if they do, they probably think it's incredibly difficult to get a prescription and to get product and to be able to afford it. And that's another message I would like to leave with folks is that it, take a look into it, right? Go to good because it's actually easy to get signed up and get to be part of the programme.16:48  Oh, we're gonna get into all of that. I have a feeling I want to like, where do I go? I love I love talking to people that have been there done that, that have degrees, like you have that have seen so many things. I want to know, you know, what Goodwin does where it is. But I think one of the most important things that people have to realise is that you've got very, I've been to a programme and I've met the doctors that showed up to the programme. And I've talked to paediatrician, psychiatrists and pain doctors here in Texas here in Plano, not just I'm not going very far out. And they told me the effects they're having on their patients. And these are smart people, somebody like you, also extremely smart, we start validating this whole industry and start shedding that kind of negative feeling that people have carried over over the years, obviously, other states are a little more advanced. But even my patients today, we had a 65 year old woman that is quite miserable from an autoimmune disease. And she just said flat out, would you care if I started smoking weed, and I'm like, not only do I not care, but I'm going to send you to a doctor because one of your diseases qualifies you, at least right now on this fairly limited set. And we'll talk about the different programmes, which are easy to get into and all these other things. And she just completely was like, You're kidding. I'm like now and these are, then you start briefly talking about ratios. And it's not about you know, smoking yourself, so you can't move on the couch. I just18:22  want to add to that, because where she is and where she finds herself. And this is why I think what company like good blend really bridges a gap that needs to be bridged. And that is, the reason why she asked or was hesitant to bring up the use of marijuana is because probably up until a certain point she felt shameful and trying to find a solution. And finally, she worked up enough nerve to finally throw it to Ken and say, do you mind if I do? So how long had she been sitting on the fence before she finally worked up the nerve, because we've seen it before. She's not a stranger to the clinic, to work up enough energy to be able to do that. And what I think is great about a company like good blend is stop waiting, we want you to feel better. And there's actually an easy pathway to do. So it's kind of how you see the the access there. Absolutely.19:10  It's it's one of the reasons that we try to have a vast selection of products that feel a little bit less intimidating. Right? So we'll probably get into that later too. But everything we can do to help folks out I mean, I'm actually kind of feeling bad for this person. Right? Because like you said, How long have you been sitting on that and not sharing that and she could have been helped a lot earlier. So yeah, and Texas is making really good strides there. Every two years. I have a legislative session and every two years we've been expanding the programme so I'm I'm very optimistic.19:43  It's if you are knowledgeable about this, so Eric and I got heavy into the CBD. Yes. area when CBD was still people were being arrested in Iran a foreigner here Yeah, Marin County. Over in Fort Worth. They were getting arrested. And I'm like I call Eric I'm like there's another person like what are we doing here? endocannabinoid system. This is perfect. And when you start talking about I'm like this person has an Endocannabinoid deficiency. They've got these chronic diseases, we are just putting band aids on all of these things, including pain meds. If we can get their endocannabinoid system back to balance, it is something that they need. If I have an asthmatic that shows up and they're wheezing, and I say you the only thing that that that is allowable under your plan, the only thing that's allowable in this, I'll take it back one second. Simone Biles, oh, yeah. Alright, so Simone Biles, this is and this was shared, I didn't I haven't talked to her. But it was viewed on a couple different articles that seemed pretty credible. It makes sense. Regardless, it different countries have different rules. Japan does not allow ADHD medication to be taken. She's been on ADHD medication for most of her life. So she goes to the Japan Olympics. And nobody's discussing that she couldn't take that it's a banned substance in the country. It's an accepted substance in the Olympic Committee, because it's an exemption, because they understand that. So she goes there. And everybody's like, what she's lost her train of thought and everything. So imagine if you can't get the drug that you need or the product that you need, and it's available right there. But somebody is putting a wall that's right there, if you're an asthmatic, and you're wheezing, and I can't give you ventolin inhaler to open up your Bronco airways because guess what? ventolin and bronchodilators. It has to be an exception. If it's if you're on the Olympics, like you have to get it exempt. Otherwise, it's considered a enhancing thing. There's things like that that are on that. You know that that's why you get NSF certified for different things, right things. So this is one of those deals where I'm like, if you're a diabetic and you need insulin, or if you need Metformin, and you can't get that, when I look at some of my patients, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, a beautiful balance of your endocannabinoid system may correct 90% of what you have going on, and we can take these eight drugs away. That's what I'm excited about.22:14  Yeah, so I have, I have a theory on this, which is that well, and partly this may end up being preaching to the choir, but it's my understanding that the endocannabinoid system is not well taught in med school, if at all. And if that's true, that means you have to learn it after you graduate. But it also means you may have some scepticism about it, it was only discovered in the 1990s. Yeah, I mean, how can we couldn't do better and discover before them, but that Okay, so it's discovered in the 90s. It's really important, right? And I've heard you guys talk about it a lot. But it is the I call it the it's like the conductor of the symphony. So it is conducting all the other systems in our bodies. And it's telling you that when to get a little louder, or that when to slow down. It keeps everything in balance. And a word you guys use frequently is homeostasis, right? It helps maintain that. And yet I was in a doctor's office the other day with my daughter had to get a COVID test before being allowed to go to San Diego State. And on the wall, this doctor's office you guys probably have to is the systems of the body. Right? It's got the skeletal system nervous system. And I look pretty hard on that poster, it could not find the endocannabinoid system. So to me, that kind of said, everything23:23  is that surprising. And it's unfortunate because it The end result is what we have now. It just simply becomes ignored. And then it becomes taboo. Because if it's being ignored, then maybe it's not acceptable to talk about and it's not acceptable to talk about then you have patients who are fearful for bringing forth an idea for a solution and then we're just slowing recovery when in fact, I mean, I'm not an advocate saying that THC is going to solve everything for anybody. But that doesn't mean it won't work for someone.23:51  We've talked about this before that I believe I'm a gastroenterologist I focus on the gastro anthological system. There are neurologists there are endocrinologist cardiologists, we will have an Endocannabinoid ologists because that is something that people have to get on board to get on board with. There's when you like First of all, a quick side note I suggest everybody after this is over go to good blends website that website is great. It is filled has so much information. So much great information about the history about why it became sort of tucked under the rug about how it was manipulated on a political level and then ultimately about how all these other cannabinoids are involved. So it's I don't know if you can't see it, it's way over there. But I purposely put I put a terpene in there we got lemonade being diffused right now so we can stay mentally clear. You know, terpenes being involved in all this. So as an induction as an Endocannabinoid ologists we're going to get to the point where we'll be like okay, well tell me what your Oh perfect. Sounds like You need some assistance with this. This is probably the blend that you need. This is more of you need a more CBD front heavy with immersing terpene to calm down and one thing in the morning. Yes, absolutely. And the fact that it's all natural and and does that.25:19  You want to repeat that. Just fixed my. We knew it didn't pop right back. I25:25  know what? No, I just said that. I think an Endocannabinoid ologists will eventually be able to fine tune what people take based on the terpenes. And Jen, and you mentioned,25:38  you mentioned maybe one thing in the morning, right to get you ready for your day and another thing in the evening to help you get ready for bed.25:44  Absolutely. And if we could get to that point where people are doing this, then they're like, okay, or as needed. The delivery systems. It's like, Okay, I'm a little overwhelmed right now I'm feeling really anxious. I just did a little something to cut this off. And non addicting all these other things. And Eric can attest to this. When we see these patients and we cringe every single time how many people show up young people. You look at their med list and you're like holy cow that Xanax, that's three different antidepressants. You got a muscle relaxer. How maybe Ambien will frequency so much Ambien, so much other sleep medicines. But let's look at the addictive potential of some of these medications, ultra opioids and benzodiazepines almost criminal, what has happened with these addictive medications that we know they're addictive, but without anything else to give them and you have a patient that's there. And as physicians and healthcare I ultimately want to help people and I have given opioids and I have had the discussion with them. Like I understand you're in a tremendous amount of pain, I need you to sleep. I'm willing to give this to you for a very short period, because I feel like if I can get you to sleep, your pain will be markedly better. And we can stop these other things. As somebody who the world's now not that recent, but five months or so ago, I had my first real neck injury where the pain was an I've redefined my pain scale kind of thing. People go, Oh, that's an eight out of 10 I really thought stubbing my toe. redefine it. And we've talked about him before but Wade McKenna, an orthopedist, you know, he told me he's like, Listen, I'm gonna, I don't I don't like, you know, hitting you with a bunch of opioids and stuff like this, what we really need is to call the muscles down, I'm going to give you a long acting, benzo for days, take it for four days, stop taking it after that, because your muscles will calm down at that point, there was a plan, there's a plan to get me on as a plan to get me off. And he purposely said, I don't mess with these opioids. Are you kidding me? As an orthopaedic surgeon, and when if we could sit there and say, okay, you a patient comes to me, I'm a, I'm a primary care doctor, and somebody has a significant injury. And so tell me what the biggest thing about this. It's the anxiety of knowing that I don't know what's going to happen, okay, then you give a blend, which is more effective on the anxiety, tell me what's happening here, the pain keeps me up. Okay, let's do this, we now have the opportunity to treat these symptoms that ultimately may or may not need some other intervention. But we know it's not addictive. We know that it actually has. And now we're going to get into the science of it. But we know that it actually has these different properties that help decrease the inflammatory processes by blocking p parganas. by blocking these different pathways, g couple proteins, we can get all sciency about it. But the reality is, I don't do that with my patients, I say, Tell me what it is that's bothering you the most. Let's see if we can give you something for that. That's the beauty of what you're doing right now. Good blend has the ability to take these natural molecules in different ratios to help in different scenarios. Totally agree.29:15  I mean, that's actually hit you reminding me it's kind of dissonant disheartening to look at a patient's med list when they come in. And there's a bunch of things kind of like what can just describe, and we're almost used to the polypharmacy or the or the multiple meds that are all listed there. And truly, knowing that a natural alternative could probably reduce that load. So we're playing less of this chemical warfare with this patient because it's almost a new we're kind of hinting at it earlier. It's almost like you're taking one thing to balance out the other thing that I've just gave them this new thing, and you're almost always chasing rather than actually treating and then and letting them be themselves.29:59  So we are getting that feedback from patients which is that once they've been on our medicine for a while they're their drug list is decreasing. Tell us I've we've had we have been able to stop these three things and now I'm down to these things I've been able to reduce the dose of these things. And if you I'm not, I'm not asking you to do this, but if you want to go Oprah on me and ask for patient testimonials I I made, you know, their tear jerker is really, in terms of helping things we're able to do with people.30:25  Well, you know what, yeah. Do you want to do it? Brian? Yeah, yeah. Tell me about one word, somebody, it made such a profound difference in their life that they couldn't hold back.30:34  Yeah. So there's a there's a patient we have that has terminal cancer. And that was a hard just that you guys have these conversation. I don't, it was a hard conversation for me to have. But he had a great outlook on his life. And he started taking our medicine, and he was able to cut back on his opioid use. And the way he described it to me was, it's not just good for me, it's really good for my family. Because on opioids, I'm a zombie. And with your medicine, since I've been able to decrease the opioids, I can be myself around my family my final days. So they're hard stories, but happy stories. Another mom said to us, her son had so many seizures a day that, and he had so many anti seizure medicine. He was kind of just there, right? But on our medicine, he was able to stop taking some of his anticonvulsant medicines. And he said, how this is when it gets me he says to us, one day, Mom, I have feelings.31:34  Wow.31:36  That's, I mean, what a What a crazy thing to have to lose as a kid the ability to basically participate in life because it's being taken away from you by a chemical that up until now was necessary, because you you obviously can't just sit there and suffer from seizure activity over and over again, that's, that's dangerous in and of itself. Right. But not knowing that there's a better alternative is honestly criminal. It's criminal, not to know that there's a better solution than just taking anticonvulsants to control I'm assuming epilepsy or something similar to32:09  right. So that's, so that brings up a really good point that mom, I have feelings. These medications have side effects, and the side effects that most people don't talk about as the pharmaceutical medicines, the pharmaceutical medications. Correct. So I get so many of these patients that are on polypharmacy, because so many of them have anti parasympathetic, meaning they affect the gut. Almost all of them do one way or the other. Oh, I have diarrhoea. When did that start? Six months ago, I see you're on Zoloft. When you start Zoloft. Seven months ago, huh? I have so much conversation What's going on? Oh, you're on the opioids? Oh, I've got a date all there. I'm fully aware that there's completely these are necessary drugs. But my job when I during residency. Some of us were chosen for basically treating older people. So I went to the older people clinic. And so my the technical term for it, that's the tactic. The older people,33:21  obviously, yes.33:23  Yeah. The layman's term is gerontology. But yeah, but we call it the older people. OPC. I would sit there. And as a resident, I'd looked at these lists, I'm like, you're 90, you're still here. Why do we care about your cholesterol that has this effect on this? And this? Why are you on this? Right? My sole job I viewed in that clinic, was to just get people off medicines, because the side effects at some point are just completely Yeah, outweighing that. And that was just a lifetime of going to this doctor that doctors cardiologists going to give this guest route, they just keep adding up. They just keep adding up him. Somebody shows up with a list of this. None of these drugs have ever been conducted in a trial, where they're all together. What happens then? We don't know. Well, I'm dealing with that now. And I've got a nine year old person and just every time they'd come back, they'd be more alert more. If you made it to 90. You're a baller. You've done it right. You deserve to drink, what's your mama smoke,34:28  what you eat what you want, do whatever it is. And they would love that by the time they were there. Yeah, they start having fun again, and it was just about getting them off their drugs. You got to hit on something, though. And maybe you seen this because you said you've seen a show or or two but something that we've had we have hit on is lifespan, and life expectancy is just a number. But what's way more important truly, to enjoy those numbers is to have a good health span. And to be able to function and participate in life if you're going to live it. You may have It'll be involved in it right? How do you How does? How does your company view healthspan? In relation to to that?35:09  I would say it's similar to the the things we've been talking about, which is if you can, if, if there's, if there's an opportunity to live a higher quality life, right. And there's a natural way to do that, and to get off some of the pharmaceuticals that maybe are causing some of the side effects, and you can live a happier higher quality life. I mean, that's, that's what we're here for. Right? It's kind of what I talked about well being that's exactly what we're here for.35:36  So if you gave two quick testimonies, one, obviously about someone with epilepsy and one from somebody who was suffering from terminal cancer, yes, what other what other ailments to kind of focus on as it stands right now?35:51  The so there is a treatable conditions list on Texas. And it is, it was created by statute. As you know, it started out in 2015, as intractable epilepsy, that was the only treatable condition. In 2019, the programme was expanded in a significant significant way where a lot of new conditions were added. So terminal cancer, autism, ALS, Parkinson's, spasticity, a whole giant category of conditions under the headline, incurable neurodegenerative diseases. And that has a list of about 300 things underneath it. So it was pretty significant expansion. And I would say across all those, all those treatable conditions, we're hearing positive testimonials.36:36  That's fascinating. And actually, I had glanced at it, I don't think that they cannot have spent any time on it. But I did notice that there was autism. And I don't know that you do you have a testimony or not. But it's definitely something that's near and dear to this guy in our research, just to polyphenols but he's made he's made no mistake about it. There's a play there with with cannabinoids as well.36:59  Yeah, I'll give you my I'll give you my take. In fact, we work with a great asset. She's been on the show before Angie cook. And she wrote up an incredible which I've yet to publish, partly because at the time, people were being I mean, Texans don't even I, I can go around right now and talk to my patients about CBD. And I've got CBD all over my office. And they will be like, Oh, boy, no, I'm not into that. And I'm like, let me explain that to you real quick. And let me explain this. Do you have any chronic condition, whatever, like, Well, yeah, totally do well, and then they end up, you know, purchasing it and saying, yeah, it made a huge difference. And it comes down to that rebuy rate. So as a business person, we know that I've got a almost 50% rebuy rate on Tron teal. And this is like, you know, worldwide. We know that that works. Because as if anybody's ever been in the pharmaceutical industry, I prescribe a drug and they come in and I'm like, Did that work and their trials that you know, the studies show? It's 8% better than placebo, whatever. So it all comes down to does the person want to come back and purchase more? That's To me, that's the that's where the rubber hits the road. My move towards autism became very personal. When I had a patient that brought her son in and he had become I'm an adult doctor, he had moved on from paediatrics to adult. And she said he's becoming almost impossible to take care of when he eats. He cannot communicate. He flailed he gets almost violent. And he's, you know, he's 16. Is he just becoming a young man, and this is getting really bad. I said, Listen, I don't know a whole lot about autism. But I do know that. You said when he eats, let's treat his gut. Let's fix his gut. And I'm just now getting into something where I believe it will play a role. And I put them on CBD. And now looking back, we're going to look at this, I'm going to be sitting in a lecture someday and an endocrinologist will have the exact thing to give that person. But right now that was best I could do is your mother shows up three months later, crying. And her son is communicating, not high level, but she's like, he's like, Hi. And he's talking. And I'm like, How do you feel? And he's like, you know, good. And she's like, This is crazy. It's been 10 years and I have not seen this person. And like, I don't know if it was the fix in the gut. I don't know if it was the CBD regardless, I think it's both. And that's where it came in. So then Angie did this incredible write up and maybe we can team up with your people to get it published, but it's like 50 pages long. It's super sciency. It's all about autism and the effect on the endocannabinoid system. And when I go to my colleagues and they say there's no science on this, we share a Mandalay capability, what Mandalay is. So we share this, the repository of journals that are out there are published and we've got a whole folder on There's a whole folder on CBD a whole folder on cannabis and cannabis. And the sciences, they're animals to humans. The problem is the science in the United States is not here the science that is recognised by our journals here, because, and we talked about this, that people don't realise that it was approved if you're going to study cannabis, and Michael Pollan was talking about this, the author Michael Pollan was talking about this, that the cannabis, which is approved by the FDA to be used in studies. It comes from one place, one place some crap lace, it's like 60 years old. Yeah, it's been around, and kind of just40:40  shit marijuana. It just it's not indicative. It's not similar to the kinds of Medicinal Products that you're gonna get.40:47  Yeah, exactly. This40:48  is what it is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but this is, this is what all sanctioned and allowed us research is done on is basically just this one lot. Correct.41:00  or from a federal perspective, I believe that's right. Yeah. Having said that, very exciting news in this most recent legislative session. Nice. The statute that they added to the statute that Texas can start its own research programme. So the department State Health Service real for real so yeah, they're they're writing the rules right now. And yes, it's very exciting. So Texas cannabis research. Does part of the Texas compassionate use Berg did not know that did not know that. And it goes beyond the treatable conditions list. For sure. do research, the research, whoever the research institution is picks what they want to study,41:40  I need people to hear that said a little bit close with money. Which part the?41:46  The research so the Texas compassionate use programme is introducing a research element. And the department State Health Services is writing the rules right now. I think they're even posted for public comment. And it's gonna happen. And so the research, whoever the research institution is, and they provide a list of who can qualify, you pick the condition you want to do research on. You do have to find an IRB. But it's sky's the limit. Oh,42:12  my gosh, that makes me so excited that just that turned into hope for my IBD patient. Yeah.42:20  So just to click and you42:21  get to use our products. You don't have to use the federal cannabis.42:25  Okay, I have been that is exciting having you on just for that one thing. I hope my partners listen to this because ga right now is we're getting close to 1000 providers strong. And in the state of Texas, basically everybody in the state now as part of this one group, to be able to power a study like that could be fan tastic. I have just, I thought that it was completely prohibitive. And Gotta love Texas. Gotta love. We're gonna do it in Texas if the feds don't want us. That's awesome.42:59  No comment on that. Your point about autism, I've had the I've been very fortunate to be able to attend a to medical cannabis conferences in Israel. And then one was in LA. And there's plenty of studies out there about autism and THC for43:14  sure. And that's what this 50 page review that Angie put together, put a lot of sweat and tears into it. And it's something that we should probably team up with some of your scientists to update it because it's about two years old. Yeah. But I was shocked reading it, the level of science, the level of information out there, and the amount of benefit that you can actually do and the correlation. So for me as gastroenterologist the correlation that when the endocannabinoid system is off, it affects all systems. But in my opinion, all health begins and ends in the gut. If you don't have a healthy gut, you ultimately affect the brain. And we've got we've done podcasts on this where we can show that neuro inflammation or chronic inflammation affects f h, which is the enzyme that breaks down your own endocannabinoids. And when you lower your inanda mind, which is the one that you know is your low level keeping you there. It's your body's own equivalent to THC. It's your body's own equivalent. And then on the flip side, when you have to a G which is the spotlight if that's getting turned on all the time, that's your that's like a that's the other portion of the endocannabinoid system. The difference between a Stanford grad and a simple country but doctrine Nebraska is I've used the same example the endocannabinoid system, but you referred to it as a symphony conductor. I refer to it as a traffic cop. Yeah. They're both good. I could say mines. You know what? I won't say. Yours is more elegant to start using that from now on. Yeah,44:52  elegant was exactly the word I was gonna say. So I'm glad you said it is refined and yours is quickie, Martin.45:00  To your point about the importance of the gut. And if you haven't checked out this research, please do. I think you're gonna find it very interesting. There's one of the leading researchers in the field of cannabis is a Dr. Ethan Russo. And he has a I think he calls it. I may begin this wrong, but the grand unified theory, but of course it spells out gut, but it's all about the the brain gut connection and with the endocannabinoid system as a key part of it, and you've you've addressed this in previous conversations, but they're all tied together.45:33  One of my problems that I have had, and I'm curious how you and your sales people have dealt with this, it's the person that I know how to say this. I'm enthusiastic. And it took me a long time I've read vitamin weed, which is a great book, forgot the Michelle Ross, Michelle Ross. That's it. Michelle Ross wrote that she's a PhD. You know, there's Goldstein's book. These books are great. But I had to read them a couple times. The first time I started getting into it before you start going because it's it's a different language. It's that's why I think we're gonna have an Endocannabinoid ologists. My problem is when I have somebody, it's that the vomit of knowledge that I have to keep myself from doing when somebody is like, what's that? And then you start getting into it, and you're like, what's the endocannabinoid system? So I've always I'm a little bit curious, from a business perspective, how you as a company, get into that naive, let's just start with the naive doctor46:38  that says, Why don't know about this? They start with the, you know, yeah, you know, I'm kind of curious. He may not want to divulge everything, but I really kind of want to know how many practitioners throughout the state are actively participating in this programme.46:50  So the state publishes some data about the programme. The most recent date is from July, and there were over approximately 50046:59  Oh, wow, it's much47:00  bigger than I thought. And to be a prescribing doctor, you have to be a board certified specialist, as you are. So it's, it's not every doctor, you have to write you have to be board board certified. And then the patient, the patient count as of July was right around 7070 507,500. That may not sound like much, but it's growing 10% every single month. Well, it'll be one of those things every single and this is in the in the official kickoff was 2019. Right. For the first patients. The first patients were actually served in 2018. Okay, not by us, but okay.47:38  So that is so tip of the iceberg because as a clinician, I went on once I found out you know, one of your sales people that had has known me for a long time as a friend and they got involved with this knowing that I'm involved with CBD and understand the endocannabinoid system. So first thing I did is I tried to sign up well, my specialty is not listed. So as a gastroenterologist, I'm not listed as currently interesting currently, because when I did the whole thing and went through it and tried to I couldn't find that. And then for me, it was a little daunting to say, Well, I'm internal medicine is there on board certified internal medicine, but I really practice 100%, gastroenterology. And I did not want to false under any false pretences as this is, because it's just a matter of time. It's better a short time. So discussing that, from a business perspective, what can I do? As a physician who's very interested in this? help some of the legislation, bring in other let's start, I've got a tonne of questions about that all these little things, but help bring in other specialists are there? I mean, I don't I don't even know I don't even know, like committees are?48:55  Well, hopefully, a discussion like this helps. Right? For starters, right? It was one of the reasons. I mean, hopefully doctors watching this who are board certified specialists who are intrigued and have heard how much this can help will apply to get the programme. It's very simple for doctors to get in. You, you just provide your Texas Medical licence number, I think and your board certification number and the Department of Public Safety checks those two things. And that's pretty much the extent of it, you become registered and at that point, they very much leave things up to the doctor. That's one of the great things about the programme is Let's trust the doctors.49:33  So in this case, not knowing enough about that. I'm like, Well wait till my specific specialty, it just there was neurology, oncology, pain, internal medicine. There was a lot of specialists so if there's a physician listening to this, go check it out, because more likely you're there. I'm just saying that gastroenterology was one of the few that was not listed.49:55  I can I can certainly bring that up with them and ask, you know, we can get If we can get that specialty added, I'm surprised it's not on there.50:02  That was eight months ago, nine months ago, something like that. Maybe it is I haven't checked recently. But I thought, well, it should50:11  be one of the things I think you should be is. And I actually learned this from you in our very first phone call. One of the treatable conditions, which I don't think I listed before is called spasticity. And it is unlike everything else on the list for your very intelligent audience. They know as soon as I say that they're like, which one is not like the other spasticity is a symptom, am I correct, and everything else is a sort of a disease or condition. And you informed me that much of what happens between the mouse the top and the bottom, you know, by the way, for those who don't know, if you get on a phone call with a gastroenterologist, it can get like, it was unexpected. I was not expecting to have that conversation. In my day. I'm on the phone. I'm like, Whoa, because we went top to bottom, or you did, but apparently, it's all a lot of it's muscle. And there can be spasms in that muscle spasticity in the muscle, and that is a treatable condition.51:03  It's nerves innervating muscles and the muscles if they go into spasm create tremendous pain. And if you're ever worked in ER, and you ask an ER physician, what's the what's some of the most common complaints, it's abdominal pain. Now that can be all the way from a perforated bowel appendicitis. But a lot of times people just get labelled, Oh, you've got a bug or IBS, and then they get sent out. That's it's a huge chunk, because it covers so much territory. So yeah, for spasticity. If we can get the spasticity handled, I can help so many people, my cebo people. So if you have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, one of the reasons why you have so much pain is because the bacteria produce gas, which stretch the intestines, in a reflex, the intestines trying to track back, that's a spasm, this is reminiscent of our phone call together. except you're eating at the time. When somebody poops like this, you want to make sure that52:06  I'm kind of curious about if if, in the new, you put it in these words, if a if a interested position, or one on the fence, even we're, we're considering this, and you've already talked about what it takes to get approved. So let's talk a little bit about what's the experience like to be that practitioner. For one, you write a, an opioid, or what something has a highly addictive property, or even if it's classified that way, it's called a controlled substance. And then in Texas until recently, we always came with the paper, triplicate, I mean, there was a there was a form to do so. So what's it like? What's the process for the writing of the prescription? And the experience going through your company? And what is the physician See? How is it dispensed? What's the fall ill insurance your ongoing?52:52  Sure. A challenge for a patient can be finding a doctor who can prescribe we've tried to help with that by we have we have a virtual clinic on our website. So if you go to good blend calm, you can actually see a doctor through telehealth, it's one of the very great things the state of Texas has done is enabled telehealth for this programme, which is super exciting. You can see a doctor through a telehealth appointment or you can go to a doctor's office and see them there. They're either either the doctor will diagnose you with one of the treatable conditions, or you bring your medical records from a different doctor who's, for instance, if you had a patient and in their chart, and you'd put spasms of the gutter specificity, or they could actually take that chart to another doctor and get a prescription.53:37  That is fantastic video. So as somebody who's learning and I'm risk averse, and all these things, I just don't want to I want to make sure that I follow the lay of the wall, which is why I stopped when my own specialty wasn't there. That is fantastic to know that I can say look I can right now I'm not comfortable doing it. But I truly believe that you could benefit from this, please go to this website. Set up a virtual visit. Show them this note, fax them my clinic note 100% Oh, that's54:08  easy fan. TAs this, that's awesome news because it actually allows a physician on the fence or is worried about blowback from maybe their own partners, they can now safely dip their toe in the water and say, Look, I've got a pathway for you to get we have doctors that do this all the time.54:21  Oh my gosh, that is great. You're exactly right. When I first started doing CBD, one of my partners grabbed all my all my pamphlets and said brown wants to sell weed in our clinic. That's fine, but I'm not taking part of it. Not a joke. So and then if I actually,54:37  you know because there's just this much misinformation and and the people don't educate themselves. That is awesome. Because what are we talking about here and you said it you started off this interview. We want to help people and the people we want to help as the patients and you don't care if you're getting the credit as the doctor who is being in this position to do Do that. This is about the patient who comes in and says I hurt or I can't get over it or I as you said with the with the kiddo I can't feel. Let's get them on a route to do so if you're uncomfortable doing it's fine. Let them take what you found with them and then and then head over to G website55:18  not to digress really quick. But when you said that I can feel for the first time imagine your child who you love dearly that has never been able to express love can then express that because of this because you got them off these meds as living that's living. Yeah. That's, that's awesome.55:38  Yeah, it's fantastic. Oh, and I know you didn't mean to digress, but I am curious though. Yeah. Once they rot55:44  that continues a journey for Yeah, sure. So that everything the patient record for the programme lives on a Texas website. It's the it's called curtsy u RT, the Compassionate use registry of Texas. A prescribing doctor would go into it's it's an online service, but you go into you log into that service. And then you create a new patient profile for your new patient. And then you create a prescription for that patient. And so your prescription you have they give ultimate flexibility for how you want to write this prescription. The ones we recommend are flexible to give the patient flexibility. So you would specify here's the milligrammes of THC, I think would work for you over a an X day period. So this prescription is going to exist for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, we recommend 90 days, because I think one of things we've learned from the the, like the CVS is in the Walgreens of the world is that you can write that longer prescription you're going to get better compliance for for the second round of dispensations, but so 90 day prescription, this much THC and milligrammes and then you have to specify the means of administration, you can get very specific with that you can say, it's got to be tincture, or got to be a gummy, or there's a box that says, I think it says other any means other any means. And then there's a notes field. And so what you could say to a patient is, so you do all that. And you could say I recommend you start with this in the morning, this in the evening. And if you want to dabble with your, you know, try, try this and see how it works for you, you can try that too. So that all exists in an electronic record. The next step then is for the patient to contact, good blend. And then we they tell us their identifying information, we pull up that patient record and that prescription and we're able to dispense against that one opportunity for improvement in the programme. And some doctors do this some don't is you think about it, when the patient leaves that appointment. You know how this goes, I can't I can't remember really half what a doctor says when I leave that appointment, cuz it's a high stress, time. And when you get home, I have trouble remembering what the doctor said. So we do recommend you give the patient something that says, here's what I'm prescribing you, or you send them a follow up email and says, here's, here's the prescription I gave you, otherwise, they don't remember what you're prescribed. And then we're the ones reminding them, Hey, your doctor prescribed X, Y and Z. But that's the process. So you see a doctor doctor interest, the prescription into the compassionate use registry of Texas patient contacts us we dispense against that in terms of getting the medicine and products to patients. We offer a lot of different ways to do that. We started out as 100% a delivery model. So we were delivering to patients homes. We've recently added the the ability for patients to come into certain doctor's offices and pick up their what they've ordered. And even more recently, we've added the ability. It's almost like a miniature retail experience. But we bring unassigned product into the doctor's office, and a patient could walk right out of your appointment. you've entered their prescription and occurred and we can they can shop right there and buy what they want. And then so a one stop shop.58:50  Let me clarify that really quick. So you're saying that a physician can actually have product in their office and they can sell it directly to the patient.58:59  We do the selling? Yes. Okay. We are there in the in the lobby or wherever, wherever we are and patient comes in and they they see what we have to offer and then they buy what the prescription says and sorry, pharmacy extension, essentially essentially I'm okay. Okay,59:13  so just one small caveat on this journey, so far, so much like, just so that people don't think that a physician is just guessing what the milligrammes are, whenever a new minute, whenever a new medication comes out that isn't cannabis. They utilise representative representatives to go and educate a physician. I doesn't matter if it's a new blood pressure medication. Every blood pressure medication that you've ever taken has had a representative go in and basically detail a physician on that. So I would imagine that there is a detailing process on best practices, things to look for cues. Correct. Thank you for bringing that up.59:51  Yes, we as you would a physician would not be guessing. We have we have dosing guides. In For instance, if you want the prescription to be 90 days long. And you're thinking about prescribing x, we have a recommended daily dose and just multiply by 19. Put that into the prescription. So yes, we, we provide all those sorts of collateral educational material and that1:00:09  kind of stuff. I mean, that's, that's not unique just to cannabis. I mean, we do that literally with every single pharmaceutical that has ever been rolled out. Physicians practitioners need to be educated on it. So this, love this because this is no different. And except for that it is because people have worried away from it. And I think it shouldn't1:00:31  be different, right? And we're getting to the point where it's not sure I got here, you one other way, it's similar to the way prescriptions work in the pharmaceutical side is, if a patient were to call us or, or ask for something that was slightly different than what you prescribed, then we have the ability to contact the prescribing doctor and say, Hey, the patient is interested in this slightly different than what you prescribe. So for instance, let's say you, you check the box for tincture, and the patient decides they want to try our 12 ounce beverage or patient wants to try gummies might be in the same ratio might even be the same dose, it's just a different means of administration, we're able to contact you and say, Are you okay? If the patient gets this instead, and then we just write the note into the look like a little hamster typing there. We just write the note into the, into the prescription.1:01:21  But I mean, that happens with generics and name brands and regular pharmaceuticals, too. So I mean, I think I think it's awesome that y'all it's it's completely your legitimising something that should have been legitimise a very, very long time ago. I love that you'll have that in your model. Yeah, it's1:01:36  transparent. Yeah. I love how that's, that's well. And also, let's, since you brought it up several times, let's talk about these different means of administering. If you have examples, like what what are some of the things that you that you've seen your practitioners have success with that some of the clients the patients seem to like, because a lot of people don't realise A lot of people think oh, I, I don't I just have to smoke it. Right. That's the only thing that that it's there for it. So this is a medicinal product. What are some of the ways? Sure, sure.1:02:06  So we started with started with tinctures back in the our first first couple months and and that was when the programme was in early days of the programme. I should back up a second say. One thing to note about the Texas compassionate use programme is we are capped at a THC maximum currently of 0.5%. by weight. If you know your you know the world of cannabis, you're thinking that's a very small amount of THC. It goes up to 1% starting September 1 based on most recent legislation, but one of the things we realised is that if depending on what the product is what depending what the means of administration is 0.5% can actually be a lot right the heavier the other ingredients are. The more you can get in there more THC you can put in the product and still stay below the 0.5% limit. So we had tinctures for a while and then we moved on to Los Angeles. We were the first company in the state to come out with an edible product like that it was lozenges meant to kind of dissolve in your mouth and for absorption of the cannabinoids after lozenges, we came out with gummies we're the first in the state come out with gummies we have one to one CBD THC ratio gummies and we have five milligrammes THC straight up. And in those gummies we've got different terpene profiles, we've got a sativa profile and indika profile that that's getting our doctors from prescribing flexibility we see you know, common common prescription might be take the one to one gummy, that's sativa in the morning, because it can be more stimulating and it's not you know, it's a one to one CBD THC so you have those working together. But when you're getting ready for bed, take the five milligramme indika gummy which can can be relaxing and can help you sleep. So those gummies really helped with prescribing flexibility. We then came out with lotions. So we've got some topical products, which now again you have to have one of the treatable conditions. But if you also have some other symptoms that could be helped by our medicines, then you're in the programme. Sure you have access to everything once you're in the programme. We launched medical capsules, which is a really nice, very precise dosing product for doctors. And then most recently, we were the first. By the way, all of these were first in the state. We most recently launched our 12 ounce beverage cannabis infused beverage, which I guess I have since I brought pot props, I might as well show the prop. It's empty because right now we don't have a prescription. But all these are getting great feedback I'd say are1:04:47  the most popular. What are some of the other products that you brought. These1:04:50  are all empty, of course there's our gummies here, these are the Texas Orange City, the five milligrammes I got one of our lotion, one of our topical lotion jars, here. Sure. Thank you for asking that question because one of the things I should mention is one of the things we did launch, this is our dream tincture. So it's it's designed with a terpene profile for evening use. Yeah, but one of the things we also did with this tincture, and it's a different bottles that we added, lowers, they can go to our website and see a nice rendering of the bottle. But one of things we did with this launch of the dream tincture is we had a

    Fun-guys Talkin' Fun-gi!

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    Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family I hope that you're having a great day. It's now time for episode number 60. Soon to be joined with my awesome co host Dr. Kenneth brown board certified gastroenterologist and we are digging in to my colony Yes, kicking it off to fun guys talking about fun Gus so let's get straight to it. I think that you will really like the series which we are about to kick off So with no further waiting let's get into the people that pay the bills are trying to get your daily polyphenols and artron to go to love my slash KB MD. Get your very own polyphenols from artron to love my tummy calm today. Second, of course go and feel like great food. Don't forget that you can always head over to unrefined bakery calm or you paleo eater. 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Dr. Brown, I think with this episode number 60 we must be a couple of fun guys.that's a that's a pretty good pun. Because today we're talking fun guy.We are talking aboutmushrooms. So we're it's pretty exciting. I was watching on Netflix of a show called fantasticfungi. logs. It was talking about that.Yeah. And so a lot of people if you get a chance go and take a look at this. Paul Stamets I learned about this pre COVID when Paul Stamets went on Joe Rogan. And at that time he was talking about it and they're trying to raise money. So I rent or I purchased the movie, sure through Amazon Prime or one of those and watched it. Because they're supposed to go to various locations and show it at theaters like yeah, like in like in really cool locations, and outdoor theaters and stuff like that COVID hit, didn't get a chance to do it. And now it's on Netflix so you can see it. It's great. But what it does show is just how complex fungi are and the whole kingdom of fungi, which includes the mushrooms, which everybody thinks of them as mushrooms, and we're gonna get into that a little bit. But today we're gonna talk about that and not just kind of what they talked about. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in the medium right now about magic mushrooms and different things like that. But we're gonna talk the nutritional aspect, because an article just came out recently and I think you're gonna start seeing a big push of people discussing Well, how do we use this as a functional food, and that's what I want to get into today.That's huge and interesting, because growing up, I think that my only exposure to mushrooms were if they happen to come in a soup or if it was a you know, a portabello or a baby Bella or just a traditionally a white Texas mushroom and really didn't know much else than if they grew in the yard. And of course your mom was like, don't touch those are probably poisonous. So I I think it's kind of amazing how people kind of transitioned on this is actually something that can be very, very beneficial given the right circumstance.Absolutely. It's so cool. There's so much science with it. And you're right like it could be poisonous. Unfortunately, a good friend of ours, Dr. Rusev, Ron, a gastroenterologist in San Antonio, if you're anywhere in that area, make an appointment with him. He's amazing. His chocolate lab ate a skullcap I believe in cause liver failure. And his poor dog is really close to his dog and so that happened to our pig.Oh, that's right. Snoop hoggy, hoggy,hoggy hog you have pig wedid and Snoop Doggy hog a to death cap and it's very sad but it literally followed the the timeline of what happens when a mammaleats exists. skullcap or death tap is a call to death camp.I was assuming skullcap was another one I didn't really know butI'm barely getting into the one You can eat, let alone a boy,but you're not supposed to. So they, I think the death caps, at least in Texas, they'll follow the tree roots of oaks or post Oaks. And we've got a lot of okay. And so we're where we lived at that time. And so he was kind of lethargic for a day or two. And then there was about three days where he was really energetic and hyperactive. And I hated to see it, but it's almost like there's this turn, it's about a six to seven day rule. There's not a lot he knew.Regardless, I was just sitting there this morning, actually, this morning, I was doing the like news feeds. And of course, something always makes it up on Reddit. There's a woman in Taiwan where her landlord won't fix the leaks. And she was showing pictures of her bedroom, where the leaks are coming down to the wall. It's becoming a whole wall. It's a mushroom growing apartment, Natalie. Yeah. And she was just showing it's just like strips of mushrooms. And you know, it was getting a lot of comments, like if you you know, is that this will, if that's that, then you can eat it. And that's good news. And other people are like you're just breathing in spores. Pretty sure. Not the best place to have mushrooms all over your bedroom, but it is part of it.I don't know if it is or if itisn't. We'll get into all of this about the beneficial aspect of mushrooms. This is not a show about what what mushrooms can kill you. We're going to talk about how you can utilize mushrooms for your overall health benefit. And I was blown away by how healthy these are like people aren't talking about it. I always thought mushrooms were just something to add texture. And she didn't really think much about it. No. Now, this is really cool, because we're going to even sample a mushroom dish that has the nutritional value of this is pretty cool.Yeah, I'm excited to sample it again.Speaking of cool, yeah. I want to give a shout out to the wonderful Dr. Christian mill vilem you're that's how you sayOh, yeah, last guess. Yeah,yeah. Kristin. Well, she did something really cool about this now, and she sent us signed copies biohack your brain your Eric says right there dear Eric, left a little message for you. biohack your brain on our last episode Episode 59. Dr. Kristen, it's it's spelled Willem here. It's pronounced the villa Muir, PhD super smart, fantastic woman she sent us both signed copies of biohack your brain. And I think she's gonna end up coming out with addition to after she hears this episode, because I think we can help even biohack your brain more with these mushrooms.They are amazing. Thank you, Kristen, this is this is a very, very nice gift. And I mean, the feedback from that episode alone is really kind of amazing and ongoing. And people are are wanting to learn from her book because we referenced it. But yeah, she'sa smart cookie. And a study just came out today, sort of verifying everything she has in this book study just came out with a huge, huge number of people that showed those people that eat flavonoids, which she discusses correct in her book, significantly decreased dementia later in life. Oh, we talked about polyphenols all the time. But today we're going to come off the whole polyphenol thing and talk a little about mushrooms because I'm just excited. I feel like we're kind of pulling the lid off of this whole mushroom thing, the way that we did with polyphenols, and we keep getting deeper and deeper. Let'sdo it. I'm ready to learn.Yeah. Let's go ahead and jump in. Before we jump in really quick. I was just thinking about this. I I have not seen Mac or Murray around. And just it's odd not to see them or they did everything going okay with Mark and Murray. They are alive. Okay. And they are not in the countrywasn't as in the United States. They are in a country. So everyone is I mean, everyone's susceptible, I guess. And as a family, we took a trip to Panama the country onaverage on the news, those vacation trips look amazing, man, thatis great trip. I mean, it really wasn't wonderful family vacation. And we, we we weren't trying to go around crowds. Unfortunately, we we did have to go through an airport. So I'm assuming that possibly that's where the infection took place. But I don't I don't know. No one knows. But all four of us flew in to Panama City, we immediately get to a rental car. And we drove five and a half hours deep into the jungle down to this whale peninsula. There we served had a great time. And then we set up a test for us to be tested outside of the Panamanian International Airport at the tocumen Airport and we were advised that Be sure and do it outside of the air. Because if someone happens to be positive, you can then quarantine yourself, and then schedule your own subsequent tests to come back. So we did that. The other problem was is when they called to give us our results, we were already in the airport, we didn't realize that there was that caveat. So when informed that Mac was positive on his antigen swab coach that I said, well, do we need to leave? And they basically, we were informed Well, you're already on camera. And you're there. You got to stay. So essentially, Mac was was COVID positive, the pain could have any symptoms. 00 nada, no, no fever doesn't doesn't feel bad. But he and since he's only 17, and not 18, that meant that a parent had to stay. Fortunately for us, Murray does all of her work digitally, almost. And she's able to stay with him. But they are in a hotel room until the end of this week.Did they get to choose their hotel room that sounds neat wasn't necessarily a choice.Wasn't a choice at all. And they are only in the room and Reid and Mack both deserve huge credit because they've kept a great attitude. I don't think I could have pulled it off. But she she took some funny videos when they first got there because when they get their meals, they either flash the lights in the room or they buzz their room and tell them that they can go down the hallway. And this is a this is a very nice hotel. The hotel is not old at all. It's very brand new. It's brand new.It's so it's a Panamanian, COVID Hotel, that's where their quarantine all visitsare seven nice hotels that are quarantine for visitors currently. And they they didn't have to walk down the hallway and then an unmanned elevator appears with their food Emory took a picture of is a very Stephen King. Yeah,it sounds like a horror film. Yeah. They're waiting for two little girls and tricepsto shine. And I think I think if only for you know, five days, it would be kind of funny. As we're approaching 14 days, no one's really laughing much. You come home,I say on the news, because all my employees I showed up to work and they're like, Hey, we saw Eric's family. And like you didn't see the whole family.Yeah, just just just half. But does read it and re gave him pictures. She was contacted from a local affiliate, because I think it could be wrong, but I think she has a client who has a connection. They reached out to them and, and Mac and Maria, both good sports. And they went along with it. And I want to say just like they did, the Panamanian people, wonderful, this is very little to do with them. We're not above anybody's protocol, we went with exactly it happened. We thought we were being cautious. And, you know, we're we're still going to enjoy ourselves as a family. That's what this is the risk that we took.I think it's and I think that's great. I think the lesson here is if you're when you come into a country, you have to be COVID negative, and we're all getting used to taking those tests before we go. And then when you leave at least do it a day or two before so that you don't have to be part of the governmental process. Yeah,it's there's a couple of lessons certainly in there about the way to handle it, just simply because of the the way the bureaucratic rules are. And it's it's no one's fault, who's who's necessarily down in Panama. However, that being said, you know, would we have traded in the vacation in the time that we guys are family to tonight ever have those experiences? I still say no. Yeah.And so when that those, those pictures were amazing. The Panama just looked absolutely beautiful.Yeah, it was nice.anything going on with you personally, sides spending all your time trying to figure out how to get stuff to them inPanama. Oh, man, that was not very much fun. Everything is kind of pales into comparison. where lots of work and that's enough. Self well, because you got something coming up with you got a young one that travels.So this is relevant. So Lucas had a really good showing at one of the largest tournaments of the year called the qaiser tournament in Kalamazoo, Michigan. him and his partner, Nico godsick won the doubles. Awesome. And then he made it to the finals unfortunately didn't pull it off because the winner gets to go to the US Open. So didn't quite but still huge bracket 250 some kids the best in the country. And he made it to the finals. So super proud of him.But your son also overcame in the semi finals, a six one loss in the first to come back and win the next two. Correct?Correct Yeah, so in the semi finals, he came out a little but it just shows the caliber of play that's out there. If you don't have your game face on, you can or if you're just not firing on all cylinders, and you know he's playing two matches a day, every day for whatever seven days in a row. pretty wild and really cool to see that that level. We'll play they streamed it online. So I was able to watch these matches and you know, and love that my son was able to give a very gracious and appropriate loss post loss speech afterwards where they kind of hand the mic to you and you kind of get the you understand what it's like when you you miss out on something you want so bad, they're like, okay, that's great. Hey, what do you think about that? Put a mic in front of it, I think if the Naomi osaki stuff that's going on, and how the media stuff but so super proud of him. And we'll see what what goes on. He's gonna be doing some international traveling. And so we had a long talk about what makin Maria going through and how we're going to do the testing now and how to make sure that you cover your bases and how to prepare that if you have to stay for an extra two weeks,I will say gauge when we when the news broke that, that some people were going to have to stay because of quarantine gage was obviously negative. And he looked at us and he said, Well, I'm getting on the plane. So he is back at his back and luck attack and getting ready for the fall semester. He's looking forward to just having a fall semester where they actually go to classlike it like a real college experience. Yeah, yeah, totally. super proud. Carla's taking tennis, serious enough that now she's going to do online school. So she's joined the what I guess the more competitive group at the legs where they practice in the morning stuff. And so she's doing some fun fitness. This is the only thing she came home. And she was like, yeah, that had this fitness guy. And he's talking about fast twitch muscles in doing this and explosive power. And we're doing all the exercises that you make me do. I'm like, I'm telling you. Yeah. You guys think I don't read? I mean, I'm not telling you. Just because I'm a country, but doctor doesn't mean I can't at least read some stuff on sports performance. Yeah, I'mlearning that parents don't always get the same credence design.So Well, I think Dan is up to speed here. That's been an interesting week that you've had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk mushrooms that. Alright, so I want to talk a bit about the nutritional value of mushrooms and the effects on the microbiota. We always talk about the microbiota and I had no idea that mushrooms and factories very little in the literature about this, about the effect on our gastrointestinal health, okay, through mushrooms, we'll eventually get to that. Before we do that, we got to talk the mushrooms, the beautiful mushroom that everybody thinks about which is the fungi. The actual thing is, this right here is the cap. Mm hmm. Underneath the cap, you've got these gills underneath that you've turned a mushroom over and seeing the little lines that are there. And then below that is the is the basically the stock or the stem. And then beneath that you have the mycelium. What you'll learn if you watch fantastic fungi is that it's all about the mycelium, this that we eat that we think are mushrooms. This is basically a sexual origin, as they call it, fruiting fruiting. It's the fruiting body. underneath those gills right through here is where all the spores are made. And I remember what was his name that we had in the podcast that knew everything about mushrooms. Oh,that was early on.Cooper Reed Cooper read, talked about it like it just flowed off his tongue and I was like, what's he talking about? He used the word gills spores mycelium and I'm like what? Well, the mycelium is fascinating because that's basically without the mycelium. We don't exist. The mycelium is it's so cool, just watch fantastic fungi. But we're going to talk about the fruiting body right here. Because this is what we know more about mushrooms about what's going on. underneath here are the spores. They release trillions and trillions of spores, you actually breathe them in. Whether you know it or not all the time. We live in harmony with this organism. It's not a plant. It's not an animal somewhere in between. and we exist because of this. Yep. And I had no idea that this fruiting body is so good for you in so many different ways. So that's what I want to talk about.Let's do it.Alright, from a nutritional standpoint, you were we were working today and you're like you know, I hear all this stuff people throw out names and you hear things and gnocchi should tacky and you know, criminy and oyster and all these other names of mushrooms are some really cool names also Reishi Reishi lion's mane, but then there's like, I mean, just really wild ones. If you watch the Netflix special, he just starts rattling off purple headed dragons and things like that. It's there's over, I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna get all this wrong, but 1.5 million different species that we've identified.I do not know that. It'slike some crazy number like way more than plants and everything. So from a nutritional standpoint, that's what I want to talk about today. And because we don't want to have a few other experts on to discuss some of these other aspects, but I've always kind of viewed mushrooms as just this filler that you just put into soups. Yeah. Or Whatever it is you want to do salads, it just adds a little bit of texture to things. So I pulled the nutritional facts of a few mushrooms very, very common ones, brown mushrooms, also known as crimini mushrooms. total fat is zero, total cholesterol is zero. Total carbohydrates is four grams. Protein is two grams. And the fiber content is point five grams, which is 2%. So four grams carbohydrates, but point five of it is fiber. Then you go to pataky mushrooms, which you'll find in Asian food all the time. And same thing about cholesterol and fat. That's the same process. This one also has two grams of fiber 12 grams of carbohydrates. And then oysters, oyster mushrooms, it's got two grams of fiber as well protein three grams. Now the aspect which I was unaware of, is the incredible micronutrients in it, it's one of the only ways to get vitamin D. Outside of Sunlight, sunlight, wow, it has a significant amount of selenium. In fact, a small serving of crimini mushrooms which would be like five small mushrooms is 31% of your daily Selenium that you need. And we have a hard time getting Selenium in our diets. That's actually why I eat like a Brazil nut three times a week just a pecans, yeah, to try and get that in. And then other nutrients like copper that you don't think of zinc, potassium, thymine. All of these things, and even iron are in slightly different, very slightly different concentrations of these different mushrooms, they're all slightly off. But the micronutrient component of this is incredible. Copper is one that I don't really pay much attention to. But then I realized, well, it's part of a cofactor in a lot of different things in your body it is. And so that is the mushroom content, or some of the nutritional values of some of the more common mushrooms. So if you're going to take these mushrooms, make a stir fry or a soup out of it, all you got to do is put five of these mushrooms, five of each kind into whatever it is. And what you're going to end up with is a total of 100 calories, no fat or cholesterol 4.5 grams of fiber. So that's 70% of the fiber that you need in a in in your whole day. six grams of protein. So for me 200 pounds, somewhere around point eight grams per kilogram, so slightly north of 70 grams of protein, I get six grams just in the mushrooms nice. And that's kind of what I aim for is around 72. But the real key to these are the micronutrients. It's like 64% of your daily Selenium 64% of your daily selenium, a ton of vitamin D and a lot of B vitamins that I didn't talk about before, along with copper, like we're talking about. Okay. So learning about this. We had a little bit before we started the show we Diego couldn't resist honestly, what we did is we made a basically it's kind of I don't know what would you call it a saute of. Number one, ittastes incredible.So with this in this, let's let's call the stir fry. In this stir fry, there is half a pound of grass fed grass finished meat, we have half a bag of spinach. There's those mushrooms that we discussed in those ratios. And what this comes out to is that with the grass fed meat, the spinach, and this doesn't include the nutrients from the onions and the other things to add a little bit of flavor onion, garlic, the zucchini, you're going to end up with 30 grams of protein, you're going to have 6.3 grams of fiber. Well I should break it down the meat is 30 grams of protein, you add the spinach, that's 6.3 grams of fiber, eight grams of protein and 50% of your potassium. So you put the mushrooms end with this and this little bowl here, which we're gonna take a bite of altogether is the bowl with a little bit bigger when we started. It's 500 calories, 11 grams of fiber 45 grams of protein and like 90% of the micronutrients that you would need in a day. Mushrooms, spinach meat, so take a little bite here.It is quite tasty. I'm gonna let him bite so that you're not just sitting in silence while we chop. But kids has a little bit of hot sauce on the top which I had some earlier with it and it's also delicious. But all I can say is it's fantastic. And I'm a creature of habit I can easily see myself doing thisevery day. So I would like to take credit for this. All I did is add the mushrooms but there are this is kind of a Kind of a staple in the bodybuilding world I didn't realize I started reading about this is what people will do this is they'll put spinach and meat. And they will use this for the whole week because then you add the mushrooms and now you've got the micronutrients. This is essentially a two bowls of this and you're done with all the protein that you need, all the micronutrients that you need and all the fiber that you actually need.So and to be fair, I would say for some eating mushrooms sometimes is an acquired taste. And I don't I don't know that feeling because I don't remember a time of not liking mushrooms. But I would say that this is this is a dish that I would say is not heavy and mushroom flavor. When you when you agree like the way that it's kind of salted and put together definitelyit's almost hard to distinguish what is mushroom? Because they're so finely chopped. What is mushroom? And what is me every minute. You asked meto kind of describe what are the and then you throughout the stir fry. But it's almost kind of like a super healthy stroganoff. It's kind of like a beef. stroganoff taste. Yeah, without strong mushroom tastes at all. AndI mean, I don't know, I think it's delicious. If I were to sit there if you're trying to watch your weight, and want to make sure that you eat healthy or even if people with intestinal problems. A lot of people can't handle gluten and a lot of people can't handle some some starches, which can result because of what we work in CBOE IVs. That can make it worse. This can be a very tolerable thing. And one of the things I really like about it is that you can get your body used to a certain thing every day. Yeah. And then you can start expanding your diet a little bit.Yeah, I mean, it's really good. It's very, very clean. Like it's the the fullness that you get just from the the natural fat and protein that's in there is is noticeable. So you, you probably won't overeat it, you'll feel satisfied, and you won't have a letdown because there's not a bunch of high carb sugar content inside.So let's talk about that. Why is this so satiating? Well, in on the Huberman lab, he talks about how your body your vagus nerve, actually sends an immediate signal that when it has reached a appropriate fat and amino acid content, that's the key here. So when you have a food that has a high amino acid content, and then in addition to the micronutrients, there is a immediate signal that sends to your brain and it turns on a hormone called leptin, leptin tells you that you're full, it's the exact opposite that happens in the food industry, which very highly processed packaged foods, they purposely make it with the emulsifiers, that it actually with the most fibers that make it shelf stable, but the emulsifiers actually do micro damage to that nerve. And that signal gets lost. So instead of turning on the unfold hormone, it turns on the I'm not getting enough nutrients called ghrelin, and you get hungrier, which is why you can eat a whole bag of Fritos or whatever your whatever, your crappy chip crappy chips or anything. Yeah, they the food industry hires PhDs, to figure out how to make it so that you will eat more of what they're making. If you're still hungry, you're still buying more products, because you're rifling through whatever they just sold you. So really simple way if you're fighting, I'm not gonna get so far as saying you're fighting food addiction, because I think that's a whole separate deal. But if you are somebody that fights cravings, a really good idea is to have something like this on hand, eat a cup of it, and then wait 15 minutes, then open up whatever device that you feel necessary that you have to do, because you're gonna end up eating less of it, because you've already turned on this hormone that says we've had enough.Yeah, I agree. It makes sense. I mean, quite honestly, when I was much younger and coming out of college, I didn't have the best eating habits. I would say I was I was falling into the pattern of being an overeater because I wasn't satiated. What wasthat crap that you would you would eat like a Yoo hoo. WhenI was in college, yeah, it was called a milk jug. milk jug and a fried pie. I can't believemill, chugging fried pie and now we're talkingabout chugging a five pie or sometimes I get a package ding dongs. Was that was the pinnacle health.So the package ding dongs are there to make you eat more ding dongs that is for sure. And the nutritional value is essentially that's that So today, we were you were like we're gonna talk mushrooms. I'm like yeah, I want to talk mushrooms. let's get let's get into this. And first thing you said is you know, I hear these names, but I don't Is there any science on this? Or is this just people saying oh, you should eat Reishi or Lion's Mane or, or whatever. I think Chagos is another one that people always talk about in all these different ones. corta seps as one.Sure. And how are we quantifying how I quote Find what we're measuring, and how do we qualify that the data is real. And it's we do that a lot.So it fit in perfect. I'm so glad that you asked that today, because one of the reasons why I wanted to do this particular topic is because a study just came out not too long ago, like a few weeks ago, on in the Journal of functional foods, and the title of the study is the role of dietary edible mushrooms in the modulation of gut microbiota, right in our wheelhouse. Definitely. So how do these mushrooms affect your gastrointestinal tract? And how do they affect your microbiome? So that's what we're going to cover today. And it's really cool, because I learned a lot. They they're so powerful. And I mentioned earlier how we pulled the lid off of polyphenols. There are so many similarities in a different lane. Nice. So we talked so much, we've got so many episodes where we talk about the innate immune system, we talked about the adaptive immune system. In relation to polyphenols, we talked about the how the polyphenols will increase the diversity of your microbiome, how polyphenols get broken down into post biotic, anti inflammatory, anti aging products. And this is all based on the science of these PhDs who've shared with us their brilliant work, right? This is when I started reading this, I'm like, Oh my gosh, they're saying something so similar by a different mechanism. So let's just jump right in. This is a super sciency article. So I'm, if I get too weird with it, you know, dumb it down and come back because it's, it's really complex. It's equally complex as the first time we were discussing the policy and also Yeah, if you look back, we did an episode with Sylvia, Sylvia Molino, and her research was just insane. It talked about how she took these complex polyphenols that are in our trunk to the kabocha in the horse chestnut, and she showed that they get broken down into smaller phenolic compounds like ecgc, which is green tea extract and light course attend and these different things. They didn't get into how the mushrooms do this, but I suspect it would be something quite similar. Yeah, through a different arm because these aren't polyphenolic compounds, the same ones that we're talking we'd have to find a fungus Silvia, we would have to find a fungal equivalent of Silvia correct. So it's very sciency. I'm gonna try to cover just some highlights of certain types of mushrooms, some of the more common ones that you may have heard of, and they're it's very complex, but these mushrooms have a wide range of constituents like things called glycoproteins polysaccharides phenolic compounds, and tri terpenes. Okay, so we're talking about terpenes when we're talking about CBD and cannabis and things. Yeah. Alright, so the first one that they covered was Reishi. Now Reishi has been well known for its anti inflammatory, anti tumor, something I didn't know acetylcholine esterase inhibition. So we talked about that when we looked at the the the episode with Angie, what was the title of that one? Anyways, when we talk about dysautonomia, acetylcholine has a big role. If you read biohack your brain she's got supplements to increase your acetylcholine, they do that by decreasing acetylcholine, esterase. And ratio has significant anti allergic properties. So what these team of scientists did, and this is out of China, where mushrooms have been used for ever, so it's it's more widely accepted that that is a functional food. These guys summarize that Reishi influences the gut microbiota by improving the intestinal barrier, okay, improving the intestinal barrier function, increasing microbial diversity. And it does a shift where it reverses bad bacteria and increases good bacteria very specifically, Reishi consistently would decrease bacteroides and increase from from from acuities for MC teas anyways, for me, Curtis, remember, I'm gonna mispronounce it might get all over me for doing the the reservatrol versus resveratrol. So let's just assume that I mispronounce a few things once in a while. Alright. So what it does, by doing that is that significantly increases the short chain fatty acids and anti inflammatory post biotics. They don't describe it as that what they do describe is molecules are then converted from the polysaccharides into anti inflammatory constituents also, they're describing post biotics while using the term. So all of these things in the literature has been shown to help with sugar control, lipid control, weight management and immune regulation. So when you said earlier, is there any data on these guys that's what they did in this article, they summarize the data on Reishi and showed this is what it's used for. This is how it does that. And this is why it helps with sugar weight management lift an immune regulation.Now well, I mean, you can even stop with this it'll Coleen be able to increase by stopping acetylcholine esterase. And that would be a benefit even by itself.So that's Reishi. Lion's Mane is another super common one that you'll find in supplements. It's one of the more popular supplements for mushrooms. And it's mostly due to lion's mane. Some studies were shown, I think it was in the 90s. That Lion's Mane can actually help with nerve regeneration. So it's been used a lot in the neurology world. And the reason is, is they believe that the beta glucans that are in lion's mane, show an anti aging and neuronal regeneration property, the prebiotic component of the lion's mane has been shown to have a positive influence in changing the pH in the colon, which increases the ability of other bacteria to produce butyrate. And in inflammatory bowel disease models, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease. It decreased the inflammatory cytokines intraluminal, that have been shown to cause the damage and we've talked a lot about cytokines and a ton about cytokines. While once again, it improves the microbial diversity. And specifically, it has been shown to control the amount of Clostridium difficile that has been produced c diff is something really bad. If you don't know what it is good. If you know what it is. I'm sorry, you probably had it. That usually takes place when your microbial diversity gets shrunk down due to antibiotics. And then the C diff takes off unchecked. Now studies also show that Lion's Mane proteins are similar to immunoglobulins, like ag G. So structurally, these proteins look a lot like well, you might know it as SBI or colostrum. That's the immunoglobulins. And so those are the things that your body produces to help fight infections. Correct. So it looks like that. And this can result in this anti allergy anti tumor effect. And so there's so many studies going on with Lion's Mane right now. Not so much in the Western world. But there's a lot of studies going on in the Eastern medicine world looking at that. I mentioned shittaka earlier, do you have something to say about life? I wasgonna say I mean, we've all young gone in to and both from Reishi to lion's mane, there's a little crossover. And when you mentioned neurogenesis possible neurogenesis with lion's mane, it reminds me there's there are other mushrooms, too, that we're not going to cover today.Oh, no, no, no, we're gonna cover all of them. We only have 1 million for a really long episode. But it's cool though, just like just like traditional plants that we that we're that we're used to talking about, there's going to be some crossover and benefit from the way that certain fungi performs. I guess what I'm trying to say because there are other neurogenic or Yeah, neurogenic properties of other mushrooms or other acetylcholine boosters and other mushrooms. Anyway, I just kind of point that out there. There's absolutely complimentary aspect. And they kind of get into that in the fantastic fungi about how there's this symbiotic, sometimes competing, depending on what needs to be done. Some mushrooms will augment each other, some mushrooms will repel others. And this is kind of what it's showing that from a nutritional value these things do kind of the same thing in a slightly different way. Yeah, well, they're all kind of doing it. Like for instance, shotoku mushroom in colon studies, is a potent anti inflammatory specifically, the studies that they referenced, it showed that it decreased interleukin six, TNF alpha inducible nitric oxide, and we know that these are all things we've talked about in prior episodes, usually related to polyphenols and Cox two, while it increases the anti inflammatory cytokine called interleukin 10. Very similar to what the polyphenols have been shown to do, they've just been studied a little bit more over here.So Cox two just as a reference, if you've ever taken aspirin or anything similar to aspirin, you're, you're you're basically blocking coxy with that this is a this is nature's way of at least injecting itself into stopping that kind of inflammatory process.Exactly. So she Taki also, what's really cool about photography is that the studies have focused on its effect on the brain. More specifically, multiple studies have shown that it can help with anxiety and depression. Now this is through something that you're very familiar with. It increases BDNF brain derived neurotrophic factor. Yeah, brain derived neurotrophic factor and decreases something else. You're very familiar with. Nf Kappa beta?Oh, yeah. Are you talking about those two?So these so NF Kappa beta is like the first domino that starts a whole process of inflammation. And if that's always being tipped, that's chronic inflammation. BDNF is a Protein mood says it's a factor. So let's just call it a protein. Yeah. So it's a protein that crosses the blood blood brain barrier, and helps decrease inflammation in the brain and helps clear out toxic aspects of it. So BDNF is one of the reasons that have been shown that eating a diet high in polyphenols increases your BDNF. Now we've got a shotoku mushroom here that actually has been shown to do something similar. That's super cool. It's really wild. Now as well, it increases nerve growth factor. So Dr. philomela will love this because she has a whole section in her book about nerve growth factor, and increases neurogenesis in the hippocampus. In biohack. Your brain she explains what the hippocampus does, and how important it is and how relevant it is to memory. And how you can regrow these nerves and people didn't think that we could forever I was taught in med school once you once a nerve dies, you're done.So what are we dealing with today with our aging population increase in incidence of dementia? So possibly an early intervention with shotoku mushrooms could be could be something that could be arming your body to help that.Yeah. The one another one that they discussed, which I'm unfamiliar with, but it was listed in this nutritional roundup that I found on mushrooms, it's called my Taki. Otherwise known as hen of the woods. You've heard of Yeah,all of the time. My dad often talked about my turkey. And I always knew he was talking about his hand that was always stuckin the woods. While he named his hand, my talkie.Yeah, well, he didn't want it to be your talking. So yeah, something like that. Terrible, stupid joke. Really, youknow what? It's okay. You don't have Mac around to listen to your bad dad jokes. It's okay. You can call me out mostly just by complete disinterest. So in other words, your dad's talkie. Yeah, show that it was it's it's Richard and phenolic compounds. So it actually has some of these problems. Not the ones we talked about ones that I've never heard of, but they're phenolic compounds nonetheless. And it has high levels of these beta glucans, which are very unique to cell walls, but it's the beta glucans that make these mushrooms functional foods. Studies have shown that has an increased and profound effect on increasing anti inflammatory microbial species. So basically, they show that it will increase the species of your microbiome, which will keep bad bacteria in check, right? It's kind of that whole yin and yang type thing. And increases short chain fatty acids producing species of bacteria. So it was really cool about the my Taki is that it seems to focus more on the surrounding environment of bacteria, so that these other mushrooms can let those bacteria break them down into good things. So it's all about signaling and getting the bacteria to grow, kind of like we talked about with spore based biotics, where they signal to have more of these less of these, it's it's trying to manipulate this stuff after after we get further and further into it, trying to say, oh, we're going to turn this into a drug. So it does this one thing, you start realizing this is way more complex than we could ever single handedly manipulate 100%. So basically, it still works as a prebiotic, and it helps produce all these other beneficial bacteria. So we're not actually going to cover the other 1,000,499 94 or whatever we did. But to summarize, these were the only ones that they actually looked at in this article, because the articles thick and they went into tremendous detail in each one. But to summarize it, edible mushrooms like this have a very positive effect on regulating dysbiosis. So your microbiome, maintaining the balance of good to bad bacteria ratios, increasing short chain fatty acids, specifically butyrate. The searching fatty acids result in all kinds of benefits across your body, including blood sugar control, blood pressure control, weight management, and brain health all of this together. So now, if you think about this, these mushrooms work different than the large stable polyphenols, like I was saying, but there's a lot of overlap.Sure. So it's a compliment. It's a compliment.I'm starting to see this beautiful Venn diagram. So our food right here, amino acids in the meat. We've got a bunch of polyphenols, colorful plate being in there with the spinach and the zucchini and then all those mushrooms are in here. That is a Super Bowl.Yeah. And it's it's super good. Period.So that is our first take on mushrooms. We've never done a mushroom episode.Now we haven't and I'm just gonna go ahead and reveal it. We've got a series of some pretty awesome guests lined up to come in and really kind of school us on some really cool deep aspects of mushrooms, the applications, how to find out what to look for If you're utilizing mushrooms to improve gut health are similar.So this whole mycology world is really neat once you start showing a little interest. There were, I mean, we've got people were emailing people right now like I would love to come on the show, can we talk about this? I'm like, wow, that's wild loved fun, eventually work our way through to whatever. And if you guys have any things you want to find out, like, you know, talk about what the How would you go about? What's the best way to things? I'm thinking about? What's the best way to learn how to find mushrooms in the wild, what's the best way? What are the best supplements that would, you know, augment if I'm trying to achieve certain things? What are the side effects? Yeah, so we've got a great natural path, who's dealt with this a lot uses mushrooms as a consultant. And he goes, I would really like to talk about some of the cons because all you hear is, you know, the pros. And that's great. Also, I want to get into that we've got all kinds of stuff. I thinkit's really cool that we're catching up on this subject matter, too, because actually, when we did have Cooper on it was fascinating. And at the same time, I felt just really inadequate to keep up on the subject matter because he was he was a completely different country. And we were stuck here going, I'm not sure I'm following every single thing that he's saying. Butall the way just from him saying, remember, it's the mycelium. It's the mycelium, and I know we're alive at the time. So it's likeyeah, it was it was like that. And since that time, we've we've actually were inspired by Cooper to kind of really start digging in deep, and it's paid off. And it's, I'm excited to have the next two, maybe even three guests. Join us here.I mean, eventually, if I can talk you into it, I want you to get another pig and we're gonna go truffle hunting.Oh, can we truffle hunt here? I don't know. That that's what we're gonna have. We're gonna have a truffle expert. Join our Yeah, I don't really I don't know enough aboutI mean, the way I see it, if you're if you're thinking about this, you're like, Okay, I've never really thought about mushrooms. If you're like me, never really thought about mushrooms. Now I'm realizing, if I've got my poly phenol ring here, and I know quite a bit about the endocannabinoid system over here, you need to fill that in. And now we're going to bring into third circle to form this Venn diagram kind of feels like they all augment each other in different ways in synergistic ways.Definitely, yeah, no, it makes sense. The The proof is in the pudding. I think that the choosing the right things to complement what you eat and how you live your lifestyle, of course, still getting good sleep. But what's crazy is when you eat right, you select the right kinds of foods to eat, sleep actually becomes easier. functioning throughout the day, becoming more productive becomes easier,for sure. And even when we've met with other experts, like the owners of four sigmatic and stuff, I didn't know what to ask. Yeah,yeah, that actually that's that was really funny also, because we, we had just had Cooper on the show by the time we met Marcus. And I can remember I sit there Go, man, this is fantastic. What do we say to him?Well, because we've heard we've heard all these people like like for SIG Matic for SIG Matic did a great job of advertising on different podcasts.Yeah. But then, but they brought valuein doing it. Yes. 100%. And then I'll even hear Rogen talk about different, you know, defenders, there's mushroom coffees, and all this other stuff. This is the stuff I want to know. Yeah. Like they want to, like this is the stuff that you say, just go Do you want to improve your microbial diversity? Do you want to decrease inflammatory markers? That's not making a claim? Now, that's referencing studies that have been done? And I'm like, Well, yeah, I do. Yeah. So that makes sense. I'm going to start using so grass fed meat. Bag of fresh spinach, some spices, onion, zucchini, garlic, zucchini. And then really, every any mushroom you can get your hands on. Yeah, it adds bulk and adds micronutrients and picks that up and you got yourself several meals,maybe pretty soon and I don't think we'll have it in time for production. We should throw the the recipe of and one of the show notes or something like that. Just to get some feedback on what people think of it.Yeah, and you know what we'll do we'll hit up Gabrielle Lyon. Who, who's she's a great, brilliant doctor. I heard her on cell dinos podcast, and then her and I were talking one time where I was like, Hey, man, I heard you talk about that. She does this but without the mushroomsnow okay. She's a bodybuilder.She's bodybuilder in great shape. And yeah, so yeah, if I can just take the time to do this. It's just a just I love it. It tastes so good.It does taste very good.And it's got the fiber in it and it's got the protein content and the micronutrients once again the fiber fiber fiber we do not get enough fiber in our dietsnow now and this this is an easy way to make italmost like a sneaky way to make it happen. It's like the anti food industry meals like Haha, yeah, you think it tastes good? You're not getting anything out of it.You don't have to keep buying anything from you. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be it for that's going To be all for episode number 60. Be sure and tune in for our follow ups like and shared kin, anything to add.Yeah, so we're really gaining some traction right now and having some fun, it would really mean a lot. If everyone just go to iTunes and like it, share it. Make some watches on YouTube because that getting some traction, there's a big deal. At Spotify, we're having some great guests lined up. And it's because we're getting a little attraction and I learned a lot from this. I love the questions that we get. So fire him our way, and we can help out. I know somebody is gonna ask, Well, wait a minute, I thought you're gonna talk about mushrooms. You didn't say anything about hallucinations or anything like that? No, no,they are some of the 1.5 million that we haven't gotten to. Yeah,just one of the 1.5 million. That's all y'all Great Day.We'll see y'all soon. Have a great one episode60 stay safe.

    This neuroscientist KNOWS that the gut powers your brain!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2021 90:56

    Eric Rieger  0:00  Hello gut check project fans and KB MD Health family. I hope you're having a great day. It's your host, Eric Rieger, soon to be joined by my awesome co host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. It's Episode 59. And we have an awesome guest. This is Dr. Kristen Willeumier. She is a neuroscientist. That's right. a neuroscientist. She has groundbait goodness can talk groundbreaking, science driven plan for revitalising nourishing and rejuvenating your most essential asset, your brain. And she is the author of biohack your brain how to boost cognitive health, performance and power. It's essentially the first book to outline a strategy for COVID long hollers including those dealing with neurological issues. So you can see this is going to be an incredible episode. Let's get to our sponsors. Of course, it's artron to go to artron to calm or easy enough. Just go to love my tummy, calm and get your daily polyphenols. Guess what? This neuroscientist Dr. Wilma? 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I don't know why I'm giving y'all such weird pauses in between zone my words, I guess because I'm looking at my notes and we're falling down regardless. last not least go to KB Md kB Md and use code GCP to take 20% off of any order, anytime. from Dr. Chris Brown's CBD or his combo signature packages, you can take 20% off of any order at any time at KB MD health calm. So just so you know is we had an episode number 59. We do an intro several minutes into a discussion with Dr. Willa Meyer. We started recording and just didn't want to lose some of the exchange that we had at the very beginning. So without further ado, here's Episode 59. With Dr. Kristen, will, Mr. neuroscientist.Unknown Speaker  3:10  Oh my god, I had a patient last night who has ulcerative colitis and fainted and just got sent to the hospital. So she's in the hospital as we speak. Her colon is horrific. her brain. When I imaged it, it's it is off the charts anxiety. And so she's sort of the perfect illustration of, you know, the gut brain connection. And was it her anxiety that led to you know, the issues with a colon in the gut? I think so. Because she's very lean and fit and thin and healthy. But I said to her last night, I'm like you need to stay in the hospital, because she didn't she didn't want to stay but she fainted. And her her colon and her. It is it is a scary, you know situation that she's going through and and then I have a patient when I found out about your supplement, who he has horrible gas and bloating. I'm talking horrific. And he follows a lot of the dietary and nutraceutical recommendations. I mean, I've he's been a patient for my god almost a decade. But I'm learning about yourself and I'm like, wait, he needs to try this. So, you know, I was curious about the efficacy and yeah, I mean, I hear I'm like oh, I have questions for you.Ken Brown  4:32  Oh yeah, we'll send you will send you our resorts and all that stuff. And yeah, the whole backstory of that what's really hilarious is because I'm I was going to do the same thing to you. Okay, because I am giving a talk to the ataxia society this Saturday. Oh, wow. I had off the record. I had sort of forgot that I committed to it and yeah, happens to be the person that started this is a very good friend of mine actually was by a med school roommate. That She allowed her to. And so her why now in life is yes, try and help those that have a taxi. And so that's why I applaud her. It's not to let you know it's a small population of people, but it's, you know, horrific for people who are only present. But the beauty is because of your book when talking about the total volume of the cerebellum versus having 50% of the neurons. So the whole talk I'm, I'm, if you don't mind, I wanted to ask before I do this, I would like to quote you in the book and sure, do some stuff and put it in the talk specifically, I would love for sure your supplements and your brain health diet and all that other stuff,Unknown Speaker  5:43  I would be honoured. And the beautiful thing about the book, you know, sometimes people ask me why I wrote it. It's like, you know, there's brain health books out there there. People know about supplements, you can go on the internet, but I am, I am blown away by what I have seen using neuroimaging. So it's like the book was really guided by what we've seen clinically with imaging. And as you saw, when you read in the book, you There was a time I didn't believe in supplements, like, Oh, my God, these really weren't yet right there. Right. Yeah. It's, it's, it's amazing. So I think, you know, probably both you and I, when you're in the profession, and you actually, you can look up all the research papers in the world. But when you see the changes in patients, and you see it, the measurable changes, whether it's imaging or whether it's your labs that you do you know, I'm a huge fan, so So, yes, please go quote, I'm happy to help you, you can email me if you have any questions.Ken Brown  6:49  I love that. Because I think that when I read your book, I was like, holy cow, we are speaking the same language here. Yeah. And the whole gut brain thing. And you know, what we should do is what that will just flow into this. Because Yeah, I think you're giving away a lot already kind of talking about everything. So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna Eric introduce you, but the podcast actually started about six minutes ago. Perfect. So if you're tuning in now, rewind it and do this. SoEric Rieger  7:23  a very late introduction. This is taken away, Eric. Thank you. And this is episode number 59 of the gut check project. And if you've tuned in now, you've heard an awesome guest. This is Dr. Kristen Willem your she is a neuroscientist and she created this awesome book that that will actually she wrote this awesome book that Browns been holding up here. This is biohack your brain.Ken Brown  7:49  Yay. And look how much handsomer I am with the book over my face. I love it. Okay, yeah. colour. Colour coordinated to the book as well, which I love.Eric Rieger  8:05  Definitely, he definitely has. And basically this is biohack your brain and it's how to boost cognitive health performance and power. The first book to outline a strategy for COVID long hauls, including those dealing with neurological issues, cognitive decline, and brain fog. For years. Dr. William year has worked alongside with Dr. Daniel Amen. Rahman. Amen. Amen. who published over 30 books 70 articles just to just to prove the importance of brain health. Dr. Christian, William, your thank you so much for joining us on the gundry project. And I mean, what an awesome this is the probably one of the most unique coolest kickoffs of any podcast we've had yet. Amen. Amen. Amen.Unknown Speaker  8:52  Well, well, first of all, thank you, too, both of you for inviting me to come on the podcast. I love talking to all things brain health, and gut health. And truth be told, I am a huge fan of gut health. I think brain health begins in the gut and it begins with every single item of food that you are putting into your mouth. Now, Eric gave a lovely introduction and I I should also share with your listening audience. So my background, I was the director of research for psychiatric clinic, outpatient psychiatric clinic, and I ran their clinical neuro imaging department. And so I have seen 1000s of brain scans are, by the time I left the clinic, we had over 130,000 scans. Why I love taking care of your gut and gut health is in psychiatry. One of the foundational principles we have whether we're addressing ATD ADHD, autism, anxiety, depression, OCD, PTSD, by Polar issues, the first thing we have to do is work on the eating patterns. What are the things that you are putting in your mouth? Because a lot of these psychiatric issues have inflammatory components. And where does inflammation start? in the gut? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's right. So it's really such a pleasure to come here and speak with experts today, you know, in this field, and we can have a nice sort of melding of the minds of things that you've done things that we've done to really help support people's long term health.Eric Rieger  10:35  Well, I was fired up whenever can ask if I mean, we always talk about guests we're going to bring on in. And we've been really fortunate to have some some awesome ones. But essentially, when he brought up your name, we began to delve into it the we've talked about gut brain access for r