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In this episode Helene talks to Cath about her role as Senior Engagement Advisor and internal facilitator with the Environment Agency (EA) Cath tells Helene a bit about the EA and the type of work they do. She explains how her role as Engagement Advisor includes facilitation and also how she works an an independent internal facilitator for other projects withing the EA. Cath gives some examples of what she really enjoys about her role as a faciliator including working with the public on a climate adaptation project and working alongside external independent facilitators that the EA also use. She explains that external faciliatators are often used when more complex conversations need to be had, or where there has been a breakdown of trust and someone independent is needed. She shares some insights as to how the internal facilitators network of aroudn 200 facilitators was set up and how she balances her work as Senior Engagement Advisor and facilitator.  She tells Helene about a role play technique that really made a difference and about how asking good questions are crucial to her work as a faciliator. Cath also talks about how she keeps her faciliation skills up including attending the IAF England and Wales conferences, and local IAF meetups and EA facilitator learning days. She also shares some advice for other internal facilitators.  A full transcript is below. Today's Guest Environment Agency - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) facilitationnetworkmailbox@environment-agency.gov.uk   To find out more about Facilitation Stories and the IAF and the England and Wales Chapter   Facilitation Stories website: https://facilitationstories.libsyn.com/   And to email us: podcast@iaf-englandwales.org   IAF England and Wales: https://www.iaf-world.org/site/chapters/england-wales The Facilitation Stories Team  Helene Jewell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenejewell/  Nikki Wilson:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolawilson2/ Transcript H.J Hello and welcome to Facilitation Stories, the community podcast of the England and Wales chapter of the International Association of Facilitators, also known as IAF. My name is Helen Jewell, and my guest today is Cath Brooks, senior engagement advisor with the Environment Agency. Welcome, Cath    C.B Hi, yeah. Hi. How are you doing? Alright?   H.J I'm good. How are you?    C.B Yeah, good. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for inviting me. I'm Looking forward to it.   H.J It's really good to have you on the podcast. Okay, so I have a whole load of questions to ask you, starting with the Environment Agency. I just wondered if you could tell us a little bit more about what the Environment Agency does and what your role is?   C.B Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I hope that it'll inspire people. I've worked at the Environment Agency for almost 20 years, and I still absolutely love it. It's a great organisation. So we're a public sector organisation, and we aim, quite simply, to protect and improve the environment. We employ about 12,000 people, and some people work nationally across England, and then some people work in area offices. We've got 14 different area offices across England, so you either work on national issues or you work on local issues in one of our area offices. And I guess to create places for people and wildlife, we work on quite a lot of topics that people are deeply concerned about, and finding ways forward can be difficult on some of the issues, people have strong opinions about the environment and how we should be managing the environment quite rightly. So Facilitation skills are really important in that context, with some of the really difficult issues that we're managing. So some of those topics are things like managing major industry, making sure they're not polluting the environment, and waste, dealing with contaminated land, making sure water quality of our rivers and we've got enough water so water resources as well, working on fisheries, conservation and ecology, and my area that I work on is management of flood risk. So those sorts of issues are really interesting, and people have strong opinions about how we should be managing those issues. So there can be quite a lot of conflict, I guess, which is why facilitation is so important.   H.J And so then, obviously that's quite a broad even under the umbrella of the environment, that's quite a broad range of different areas, and in your particular area then, in your role as senior engagement advisor, what does that actually involve? Sort of before, obviously, I guess facilitation is part of that, but I know you also do it sort of separately as well. What does your main role? What does your main role involve?   C.B Yeah, so we've got engagement advisors. Obviously, the organisation's quite technical organisation, quite science and engineering led, but we also have engagement and communications experts within the Environment Agency, and I'm one of those. So I work alongside quite technical teams, and at the moment I'm working, I've worked in lots of different parts of the organisation, but at the moment I'm working in flood risk management, supporting our teams. I work nationally, and so supporting our national teams with big projects where there's, they're difficult topics, where people have strong opinions. And my job, my main job, is engagement planning. So we're whatever the project is thinking about what are our engagement aims? Why do we want to work with our stakeholders? Why do they want to work with us, making sure we're not just thinking from the perspective of the Environment Agency, my job is to help our staff to think about the impact it's going to have on on a range of stakeholders, and plan the best methods that we can for that particular project to work out, how can we get the best from our stakeholders? How can they get the best of us? How can we find solutions that work for all of us, not just for the Environment Agency?    So we try to avoid taking what we've called in the past the ‘decide, announce, defend approach'. My job is to help staff to be more, to sort of take a more ‘engage, deliberate, decide', so to help have quality conversations about these difficult issues, really listen to our stakeholders, designing the right methods, really to help create that space for those quality conversations about what can be really difficult issues. And that's my job, is designing those sorts of engagement methods, if you like, and then facilitation sits really nicely alongside that.    H.J And so when you do that facilitation, I as far as I understand, you're part of an internal facilitators network. How, how did that kind of come about? When was that set up?    C.B Yeah, that's right. So when I joined the Environment Agency, back in 1996 we didn't have many people who worked in engagement roles or facilitation network. So we started really by setting up the engagement roles and setting up training for staff around comms and engagement and how to do that engagement planning like I've just talked about. And very quickly we realised actually there's another set of skills that that we need to develop as well, which is facilitation. So when you are designing methods that involve dialog, you know having facilitation skills, having skills to be able to design those interactive sessions in a way that you're making the most of that time when you've got your stakeholders in the room is really important. And it's quite a different skill, actually, than just engagement planning, being able to design a face to face or an online session where you've got people in the room making the very best of that time. So we're all really busy. Our staff are busy, our stakeholders are busy. So making the most of those opportunities, that's why we developed the facilitation skills courses.    So first of all, we started off by getting some expert engagement professionals in to help us design facilitation courses that were for in-house facilitators. And then very quickly, and within about 18 months, we realised that people were going on the training, really enjoying the training, but then struggling to apply the training in their day jobs, because, you know, you could go a couple of months and not use it. And we very quickly realised that if you're going to facilitate, and you have to do it quickly, you have to do it very often, and you need, you need to support each other. So we set the network up to give people safe space to be able to facilitate internally. So to develop people's skills and create opportunities to be able to facilitate not in your day job. So that's why the network was set up, was to, so people could put forward a facilitation request and get someone who wasn't their day job, they went and practised their skill outside their day job, which, which means you can facilitate in a more pure way which was, which has been fantastic. It's, it's worked really well.   H.J And I want to ask a little bit more about that, actually. But before I do, I just wanted to pick up on the differences between engagement and facilitation, and where you see the differences being?   C.B yeah, I do think they're quite different skills. So I think being able to do good engagement planning across a project, you think we've got big projects that might go on for years, and they're quite technical. You need to understand the, you know, the technical context of that bit of work, what the business objectives are, what the engagement objectives are, what best methods we can apply, you know, to help people to engage with us, and for that to have an impact on on the decision making, that's quite different. You could do that, and then you can realise in that process, there's usually going to have to be some kind of series of face to face events. But the person doing that engagement planning might not necessarily have this skill to be able to run that face to face content, and sometimes actually, we do need a completely independent facilitator.    So there might be a topic where we might have lost trust with some of our stakeholders, where it's not appropriate for the Environment Agency to facilitate those conversations and we do need an independent facilitator. And that is whether it's an in-house facilitator and an independent facilitator, being able to design that's more in depth, designing how to make the most of the conversation, how to create a space where people feel safe, to be able to air their concerns and feel listened to. I guess it's like engagement planning, but it's really specifically thinking about that particular conversation and what you want to get out of that conversation. So it's micro design, I guess, within a particular moment in time, and you might use that facilitator, or you might use a facilitator that then exits the process, whereas the engagement person stays throughout and they use the results of that conversation, and they kind of have to carry on, whereas a facilitator might just come in for that particular moment, then they might not be involved again. So they are quite different skills.   H.J And so what determines how you choose a particular facilitator, be it an in-house one or an external facilitator. How does that process work?    C.B Yeah, so we'd use an in-house facilitator for a process where, so quite often the engagement person needs to be, needs to participate in the conversation. And if the engagement person involved in that bit of work needs to be involved in the conversation, then they'd use an in-house facilitator to help make sure that, you know, they just come in, offer the service, create the space so that everyone in the team can participate. And often there's other people outside the team, you know, other stakeholders and things. And if the topic is not too controversial, it's all to do with positionality and trust and the way the Environment Agency is viewed. If there's good trust and good relationships between all the people, then an in-house facilitator can do that role. When I'm doing that, I upfront say, I work for the Environment Agency, but I'm not here today as someone who works in the Environment Agency, I'm here to facilitate and make sure you're heard. I'd work with all the different stakeholders before to make sure that the design was taken their, you know, that their needs into account. I wouldn't just turn up on the day, so do all the things that an independent facilitator.   Obviously, we're a public sector organisation, so it has to make the most out of me as a facilitator and engagement expert. So I try and do that as much as possible. I'd only use an independent facilitator, which obviously costs us money as an organisation. We'd only do that in a situation where we genuinely needed that independence, and lots of reasons for that, but normally it's to do with trust and transparency and making sure that, you know, there might be awkward situations where things might have gone wrong in the past, and stakeholders would feel more comfortable if someone independent is facilitating, even just for a small period of time, just to help us through that.    H.J And how many facilitators have you got as part of your network then?    C.B Yeah, I knew you were going to ask, I think there's about 200 at the moment on the facilitation network.   H.J Wow. Okay, and how do you manage that kind of balance of work in your, let's say, day job, versus facilitating for a different, a different project that you're not part of then?   C.B Yeah so for me, I mean, we all do it differently. So we're allowed 11 development days a year. And so I use those Development Days aren't just, you just, don't just go on training courses and things. I use my Development Days to do independent facilitation for other people within the environment agency. So each quarter I have a maybe do one event per quarter for someone else, if it's a chunky event, because you need to do the planning for them, you need to facilitate and then help them with the results. So I think we all do that. We view it as part of our development, and we, you know, discuss it with our line managers and carve out time to go and do it. It's completely up to each individual facilitator to decide, and we have peaks and troughs in our work. If you're working on a project that had a lot of facilitation within that project, then you might not do any facilitation for anyone else in that quarter. But yeah, generally, people use their development time.   H.J Okay. And what kind of facilitation do you particularly enjoy?    C.B My favourite thing I've done in the last 12 months was when we were at the River Severn, when we did, when I have opportunities to facilitate with members of the public who are not part of the Environment Agency. And I was really fortunate, we were sort of testing a new methodology on the River Severn about adaptation pathways, they're called, so thinking about climate change and the impact of climate change, and we did something called Community panels, where we got members of the community. So an independent facilitator designed the process and needed some sort of support facilitators, and I acted as a support facilitator, and that was really, really fun. It's just a real privilege to be able to hear from members of the public who don't know anything about what the Environment Agency does, and yeah, to help them to have conversations about the environment and flood risk management, and their ideas were absolutely brilliant and really refreshing to hear. And that was, that was great, because most of my work is either internal or with partners that know the Environment Agency well. So that was something that was different for me and really stretched me as a facilitator, bringing together people that didn't know each other. We were doing it online, and, you know, I didn't know them, and it was, yeah, it was helping them to feel relaxed very quickly and heard, that was, that was really good. It was good for me as a facilitator. Good stretch.    H.J Nice and how often, I guess, do you get to do something a little bit stretchy? Let's say that you actually learn from rather than, let's say a bit more day to day type stuff?   C.B Probably only a couple of times a year, because it did take up quite a lot of time. It was four evenings and a whole day on a Saturday. So that's quite unique. But again, very much supported by the organisation, and was viewed as part of my development. And it was, it was a brilliant part of my development. It really blew the cobwebs off in terms of my facilitation skills. Took me out of my comfort zone, and it was really good. And I guess it would be easy not to do things like that, and it would be, you know, easier just to kind of do the day job. But where's the fun in that? You know, it really, it really helped me, and I took a lot from it back to the day job, and it reminded me about the importance of making sure people are comfortable and active listening. And it was good for me to hear how people view the Environment Agency, who don't know much about what we do. And so, you know, they came up with these brilliant ideas. Like, as an engagement person, I was able to come back in and sort of talk to people about so. But realistically, yeah, time wise, probably once or twice a year.   H.J And how easy is it for you then to kind of just thinking about that there's different hats that you wear. How easy is it to be sort of, you know, independent facilitator versus engagement professional, and, you know, to kind of remember which hat you're wearing, I guess?    C.B Yeah, it can be hard. I think when you're, we get quite embedded in the projects that we're working on. So I'm working on one really big project at the moment, and, you know, you have weekly calls within the technical team, and you become part of that technical team, and that's where it becomes hard to add value I think. When you're fresh and you go into a team, that's when you know you can sort of challenge in a really constructive way. So I think we just, yeah, I just I do, I need to have reflective conversations with people on a regular basis. So my manager is brilliant for that. She's quite sharp, she's really useful for me and sort of challenging me and making sure that I am still doing the job and not sort of just blending into that technical team.Because facilitators and consultants, the benefit of using independent facilitators is that they challenge on our cultural assumptions, and we have got a lot of cultural assumptions, and we do make a lot of decisions, which means that we probably sometimes can push engagement down the track a bit further than we should. So yeah, so that's it's difficult, but yeah, using, using my manager and and also independent facilitators, that's where they can really add value. I think when we're using them on projects, it's really having really useful conversations with independent facilitators about what I'm working on, and they can give really good advice and just keep you remembering about how to challenge teams in a constructive way. But it is quite tiring. I'm not part of that team. I am there to challenge constructively, and it, yeah, can be tiring, but it's,  you do get a lot of rewards as well from it, but you're not part of that team. And that's, I guess that's a bit like what it's like as a consultant, is that you're not, you're not fully part of that team. You're there to kind of help them as a team, to work well together, but not necessarily be embedded within that team.    H.J Which definitely has its pros and cons. So thinking about then, the kind of the learning, the development, the support that you have to work as a facilitator, what kind of opportunities? I know you said you have your development days, and that you use those to do facilitation. But what else are you able to do to kind of keep your skills up and to learn more?    C.B So we get together as a network, so we have network learning days. So we've got one next Monday, so we run those about every six months where we get the whole network together face to face. We have network days more locally, like we, me and you run one in Bristol, which is really good. And the thing I love about the Bristol one that we do with the International Association of Facilitators is it's so refreshing for the Environment Agency, half the people that come are from the Environment Agency, and half the people that come are just independent facilitators doing all sorts of facilitation across all sorts of sectors, charity sectors, you know, finance sectors all around the world. You know, some of them work in Africa and all sorts of different places. And it's really exciting meeting, and really, really good for us to to be challenged and meet people that are doing facilitation in other places, and they you know that those days are brilliant, and although only a couple of hours, probably learn more in a couple of hours than you could learn, you know, in a whole day online and things and just little conversations and testimonials and, you know, different methods that people are testing out and what's gone wrong and what's worked well. That works really well.    And the two day conference that the IAF run in April. So I went to the, I went to that for the first time two years ago, and I went last year as well. And then every year I'm bringing more and more people from the Environment Agency, because that's when I learn the most in the year is just immersing yourself in two days of just learning sessions and being exposed to people that are facilitating in really different contexts. But there's so much that we can learn from each other. So yeah, and just techniques that you just wouldn't even dream of, I just techniques that I wouldn't even dream of, you know, like last time I went, there was an amazing session about using your body and not talking, but just how you can just facilitate using movement and using your body and help with conflict resolution and different difficult conversations with people just using your body. It sounds really strange, but it was really amazing. It's really interesting.   H.J I guess it's the same for for any of us that facilitate, we tend to do our particular thing, or even if you're an external independent facilitator, and even if you work across different sectors, you can get a little bit stuck in your own, you know, you have your preferred tools and techniques, and you use them again and again. And so any of those kind of days, you know, for me, definitely I learned so much and been to so many sessions where I think, oh, yeah, that's a thing, I've never thought about doing that. So it's definitely not just internal facilitators that have that, because I think the rest of us do as well.   C.B Yeah, yeah, it's great, isn't it? It's amazing. Yeah.   H.J It's really nice, the Bristol meetups you mentioned, I think that is a really nice mix of, I think it's about 50-50 split, internal and external. And I'm always amazed myself at the breadth of different types of facilitation, and the more you, you know, you talk about facilitation and what you can facilitate, you know, it's actually quite a huge array. The edges are very fuzzy, but it's really nice to see all those different methods and different conversations that we have together.    C.B Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.   H.J So thinking about the actual tools and techniques and all that kind of stuff, what's the one thing that you really, really love? I know you've talked about working with the public, what's the one methodology, perhaps, or tool that you really love using? Is there one or a few? Perhaps?   C.B So I worked on a research project called ‘adapting to a changing climate flooding coast'. It's like in difficult situations where flood defence is not the answer for lots of different reasons, but there's not a straightforward, this is how we're going to manage the problem. It was a really good opportunity to take ourselves out of our comfort zones and think, what methods within, with these communities could work? Because we've not got all the answers, actually. And so we developed some more conversation based techniques. And so we did role play simulation. I think when people say role play, everybody's like, Oh, but it's a 90 minute role play simulation where everybody gets a chance to hear different perspectives. And so that was a real privilege being involved in testing that and very emotional. So things like role play simulation and those sorts of techniques that support better quality conversations. I sort of we experienced a situation where people have been working together for years and years, like the local flood Action Group and local planners, our members of staff, and people got to the point where they didn't want to go to the meetings anymore, but because it was redesigned around this role play simulation, and they all went along and took on someone else's role for 90 minutes. At the end they, it was quite emotional, and people, I think, were able to empathise and stand in the shoes of I didn't realise I was making you feel like that. And it was a building block for completely redesigning how the different stakeholders then worked together, and then they got together after the role play simulation, said, What does this mean for the way we're going to work together in the future? And it was just, it was very powerful. It wasn't very long. It's only 90 minutes, like I said, but it was just the fact that it was like a key I suppose that sort of opened up people's eyes to realise that they'd all been exhibiting behaviours that were really unhelpful if they did genuinely want to find a way forward with each other and help each other out to find solutions.    And also, everyone went to the pub afterwards, which I think also just really helped for them to see each other as human beings and to realise that it's not easy for people to just work in a professional role and take their hat off. We are all people and we, you know, we do really need to respect each other within conversations. And it was a yes, it was quite a simple technique. And in the past, I would have been one of those people as soon as you say role play simulation, I would have been one of those people that's really sceptical, but it's really changed my view on the power of standing in someone else's shoes and pretending you're that person and doing that in a safe space. So that in the last few years has probably been the technique that I think has been most powerful in helping people that are really stuck in positions and the meetings have become very adversarial and difficult, and where our staff don't want to go, the stakeholders don't want to come. You know, it's the worst situation that you sort of as a facilitator and engagement expert that you bump into more often than you'd like to. And it's trying to help people reset their relationships. And it was a really powerful technique.   H.J Wow, it's good I guess that you have such a technique that you know definitely works in a given situation. And it sounds like those perhaps conflicting, difficult conversations do come up a bit, I guess, with the very nature of the work that you do.    C.B Yeah, absolutely, yeah.    H.J And do you get to kind of play around much with different tools and techniques? Because I presume you've got quite a lot of time pressure to actually do the facilitation and do all the rest of the work that you need to do. Do you often fall back on tried and tested things?    C.B Yeah, absolutely, we absolutely do fall back on tried and tested things, especially when we're doing things in-house. I think if we were, if there was a situation like that, we would use an independent facilitator to come in and help us. Even if I was doing some of the design work, I would be working alongside an independent facilitator. Yeah, I haven't done any roleplay simulation without an independent facilitator. And I think that is really worth it, and it can make a massive difference. So yes, it's recognizing those situations, I think, where something's become unproductive and difficult, mental health wise, for everybody involved, and it is worth then the investment of we need to do something different here. So we do support those situations.Most of the time,yeah, we're just using run of the mill techniques, like we love online since covid, you know, lots of online workshops, mural boards, or, you know, whiteboards that sort of thing is our go to run of the mill. What we would use all the time, slido polls, things like that. Yeah, that's just the everyday stuff that we're doing.    Although, like having to be very wary about not making assumptions about people's sort of not everybody's comfortable with using those, those sorts of techniques, you know. So having to remember that you do need, you do need to give people space to understand how to use the mural board. And I think people, yeah, so the mural boards and concept boards, whatever you use, they're brilliant, but you do have to always remember to do a little intro. It sounds really obvious, but otherwise, I think it can be a real barrier for people. Some people just don't know how to move the bits and bobs around, and just not getting too comfortable with whatever technique you're using, I think is really helpful.    There's loads and loads of techniques, and I think one of my favourite ones that I learned at the last International Association of Facilitators is like the role play simulation is a difficult technique, like, as in, difficult to design, and you need to do loads of prep. But the really quick technique that I learned was called, ‘I wonder if', and that was a really good technique, and it's just a different way of framing things so and that can be used at any moment with even within a meeting, you know, and that thinking about how you frame questions is maybe the, maybe the use of questions and how you frame questions is the most powerful tool that we've got as facilitators, in terms of, even within a session, that can make a real difference and turn a conversation around.   H.J And I guess, particularly when you know you can't necessarily redesign a whole session each time for every piece of work you do, and sometimes, if it's about, perhaps just making those small changes, by asking those powerful questions then, and they get you the results, much easier to focus on doing something like that than thinking about sort of grand redesign and using all sorts of different tools and all the rest of it, which is nice, and I think does keep us kind of interested. But actually, there's a question about, I suppose, who are we doing that for? Are we doing that for us as facilitators, because it's interesting, or are we doing it for the participants?   C.B Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I love a new technique.   H.J I was gonna just a sort of extra question, really, about that online versus in person? What's the kind of balance?    C.B Oh, yeah, like 95% online now, I would say. We've always been really careful, I think, as an organisation in when we get people together because of the carbon footprint. So, you know, ever since I joined the Environment Agency, there's, there's always, quite rightly, does this have to be face to face? Yeah, and we obviously use the trains and things like that. And, yeah, now is, since covid, I think it's, I guess, you know, we've realised the potential of online and invested in, you know, the government, just generally, I think, has invested more in sort of tools and techniques to help us as as people working for the government that to use those sorts of tools and techniques to have more effective online meetings. So the vast majority of the comms engagement work I do on projects is online workshops, rather than bringing people face to face. And that's a big change in the last five years, because when I was working on the National Flood and coastal risk management strategy four or five years ago, we did bring stakeholders together, at key points for face to face meetings. I think if we were doing that now, a lot of that would be online, so you still have, you still have meetings with people, but you know, they're virtual, which brings its opportunities and challenges. It's more inclusive for some people, because they don't have to travel. And, yeah, it's, but it's, there's something magical about having people in a room, and that's the bit you miss.    H.J Yeah, definitely. I was going to just pick up on the challenges bit. So I've asked you about what you enjoy about facilitation, and you know, nice, all the nice stuff, but what are the main challenges of being an internal facilitator?   C.B I think the main challenge is, I'm working on a project where, you know, where I'm always, whatever I'm working on, when you're working on the project, and you're part of the project team and you're the engagement advisor on it, how independent can you be? And that's a challenge. And so identifying when I need to bring in another in-house facilitator, or when I need to bring in an independent facilitator is really important, and I do, I do have to do that often on the big projects I work on. So, yeah, so that's that's a challenge, is recognizing when you need that and being able to see that far enough in advance so you know, so you can plan for that.   And the other challenge, I think, is it's easy to get really busy on your day job and on your projects and that they are it is busy, and there is a lot to do,making space for me to go and be an independent facilitator for someone else, when you're really busy making space to do that as often as I can. Otherwise, I don't keep my skills fresh, and six months can go by and I realise I haven't gone and done something. I've done lots of facilitation, but I've not done anything for someone else that's completely independent of my day job. And so that's what I have to check myself on, is making sure that I am, I am still doing that, and when I do it, it's so brilliant. And that's when, like I said earlier, that's when you get taken out of your comfort zone of facilitator, which is what sharpens us up, I think. Because facilitation is hard, it is it's exhausting, but it's brilliant as well, when you have those magic moments, when people have understood, you know, understood each other better, and you've helped, by the way, you've designed that meeting and created that space. You've helped people to move forward more in a more positive way, and that's worth it.   H.J Definitely. That's a definite similarity. I think, you know, as external facilitators, exactly the same. Well, certainly for me, you know, it's that feeling, I guess when you've you've done something right, you know it's gone well. And you know that people have come to a good place at the end, it's like, yes. Nice, big glow.    C.B Yeah, ready for my Mars bar at the end.   H.J Yeah. And so, I guess, last question really is, what advice would you give to anybody else that is working as an internal facilitator. Any words of wisdom?   C.B Yes, I would say, keep taking opportunities for training, because I think formal training has its place. And I think going and doing more formal training, it's easy to sort of just do your training initially and then never do any more formal training. I think formal training has its place as facilitators. So going and regularly doing formal training. Definitely mixing with other facilitators who are not part of your organisation. So the International Association of Facilitators provides that perfect opportunity in April. It's you know, and so if you're able to go along, even if it's just for a day, not the whole thing, I think that's really helpful. And then the last thing is, as often as you possibly can, is to facilitate outside of your day job. And I know that's difficult, it's difficult to make the time, but that is, I think, where you'll build your confidence as an independent facilitator. And getting, you know, getting feedback, I guess, is the last bit that links to that other one. So yeah, that's the things I would encourage people to do.   H.J Brilliant. Thank you. It's been brilliant to talk to you today, and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and bits and pieces about all of your experience and all the stuff you love about facilitation.   C.B Thank you too.   H.J So listeners, we've reached the end of another episode of facilitation stories, the community podcast of IAF, England and Wales   N.W If you'd like to find out more about the IAF and how to get involved, all of the links are on our website. Facilitationstories.com   H.J And to make sure you never miss an episode, why not subscribe to the show on whatever podcast app you use?   N.W We're always on the lookout for new episode ideas. 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  Episode Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS facilitators, facilitation, people, work, netherlands, conference, organized, chapter, facilitate, book, session, iaf, network, years, dutch, problem, situation, meeting, certification, assumptions   H.J Hello and welcome to facilitation stories, the community podcast brought to you by the England and Wales chapter of the International Association of Facilitators, also known as IAF. I'm Helene Jewell.   N.W And I'm Nikki Wilson.   H.J And this episode is one of our quarterly chapter chats, where we talk to people leading other chapters in the IAF global community. We ask them about how they see the status of facilitation where they are, and the history, priorities, current projects and aspirations for their chapter. Today, we will be talking to Jan Lelie, facilitator and founder of IAF Netherlands.    N.W So welcome Jan. So to start off with, could you tell us a little more about yourself and the work that you do Jan?   J.L Yes, of course. Well, I facilitate, and I said, I've always facilitated. I worked for six weeks as a consultant in 1984 and then decided that it was not for me, and that any situation requires all the participants to be in the same room, in the same place, and if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. And find out actually what the problem is about. So I studied physics, experimental physics, and there I learned that the definition of the problem is part of the problem. So in most of the situations, people have a, how shall I say, the rudimentary idea of their problem, and then they start to implement a solution. And when the solution doesn't work, the solution actually becomes a problem. So you're asked to get a solution implemented which is not the solution to a problem, so it will never work. And I started out in IT, information technology and communications, and there, often IT is not a problem, it's a solution that doesn't work.   H.J  And so you have been part of the IAF for nearly 30 years, I think. How have you seen the practice of facilitation and the role of facilitators change in that time?    J.L Well, first of all, I think that everybody facilitates. It's like everybody communicates. So facilitation, in my experience, is about making connections. It's how you connect with people, how your relationship works, and from there, and everybody connects with each other, only like with communication, nobody has been trained into effective communication and in effective facilitation. So most people work from an expert position, like a consultant or a trainer or even a moderator, and facilitation, in my opinion, is a different paradigm, a different way of dealing with relationships, and the only way to progress is to to learn from each other in working as a facilitator and facilitating. So that was one of the reasons I went to an IAF conference in London in the end of the 1990s which was organized by the IAF, and because we had a computerized brainstorming solution, we wanted to show and also I already had organized a group of what we call moderators, a network of moderators. And then I learned that what I was doing was called facilitation.    H.J It's interesting. I think a lot of people have said that, that they, they didn't necessarily call it facilitation, or call themselves facilitators. They sort of discovered by accident that there was a name for it.    J.L I studied biophysics, and I used to call it catalysation. And the catalysation is what most of all biological systems rely on, catalysation. And catalysation, strangely enough, means breaking the connection. So facilitation means making, to make. And Li is a very ancient word which we can recognize in the word line. And line of Li is connection. So catalysation is breaking the connection. And in my way of facilitation, I'm always being aware of how to end the relationship, how to stop the relationship. I always facilitate with the end in mind, and that's what the catalyst does. The catalyst takes one molecule and another molecule, and tries to connect them, and then steps out of it and unchanged.    N.W And how learned over that time, and if you, if you kind of recognize that that original conference, that what you were doing was, was facilitation, what kind of other things have you picked up through being engaged with other facilitators over that time?   J.L What I do is practice makes perfect. So you have to practice what you preach. When I go to an IAF conference, I will do a workshop of myself and I also work with other facilitators to see and to learn from each other. Nowadays, at the conference we took about a quarter of an hour after a session, during IAF conference, to reflect on the session itself. What went well? What did you do? What can you do differently? And I think that is basically how I work. So it's still, I'm still doing training and courses, and then also what we learn together. I always say I cannot teach you anything. I can only facilitate your learning. And that's how I approach facilitation. Also, I try to be a facilitator's facilitator. This might sound strange, but I will say the universe is my teacher. So the universe is very kind, and they offer you lessons. And the problem is that you, as I said, you cannot see the lesson until it appears, and then it's always in the resistance. So when you feel resistance against something, it's probably something you need to learn. And that is also what makes facilitation for most people very, I shall say, difficult or awkward, is that you have to deal with the resistance of a group or the situation, and let it be, not try to solve anything, but just like to see how it works out. If you see what I mean. Like I said, the universe doesn't have an agenda. So sometimes the lesson comes too early. Then you learn something, and you think, okay, thank you. And then sometimes the lesson comes too late. So then after two or three years, you realize, okay, this session, I happen to speak to a colleague facilitator yesterday, and she has problem in managing her team. And she said, it's difficult. And then I asked, What kind of difficulty? Is it difficulty? And then we remember suddenly a session we did, like 4, 5 years ago, what was a very simple technique by a Korean facilitator who I've invited of making bracelets of your, of what you find difficulty, and then put them on your arms and on your legs, or wherever you feel the difficulties, and then sit with them for some times, and then have a conversation with others who are also sitting with their difficulties and dealing with that. And that's where I work. You know, you get this, this method or this tool, and then you think, okay, just the opportunity will arise.    N.W Oh, excellent. I love that idea of sort of collecting things that you might use in the future, but not necessarily knowing where they will, where the need for them will emerge. I think that's probably something that a lot of us do, but not always consciously. So that, I love that example. It's great.   H.J I just want to think a bit or ask a bit more about that, the whole sort of community element, I suppose. And thinking about IAF and the IAF Netherlands and ask a little bit more about that. So you're current and past chair of IAF Netherlands, but prior to that, you were IAF Benelux. Can you tell us a little bit about how the chapter was established?    J.L Yes, in the, well in 1990s I met John and Maureen Jenkins. And Maureen had been, or was, was becoming Chair of IAF world, and they happened to work in the Netherlands, and they organized a conference in Amersfoort here in the Netherlands, and I joined the conference together with some colleagues. And during the conference, we decided that we should have a Dutch network of facilitators, and we started to create a foundation called IAF Benelux. And it was in a time when IAF didn't have any chapters, it was just IAF world, and you became part of what, in my opinion, was an American organization, and then we, well, we founded this, this, this network, and we organized events. I think the most important thing is what we did is local events,and a yearly conference and also I went to the to European conferences. But the main thing for most Dutch people is they like to work in Dutch. And that is the other thing we organized from the IAF Benelux, we wanted to have a certification process, and at that time, it was only in English, but as that's been established by Dutchman, and there were some Dutch speaking assessors. We use the English process to have people certified in in Dutch and here in the Netherlands, we were the first organization which offered certification in their mother tongue.   H.J Um, and that's for the Certified Professional facilitator accreditation   J.L Yes, and I think we had about 100 or so certified facilitators here in the Netherlands at some time, because we did it together with the yearly conference, we had a certification event, and also we had separate certification event. At a certain time I think we had two every year. And beside that, we organized events, like I said, I like to meet other facilitators and to work together and to explore our way of working. And John and Maureen at that time, were very, as I said, supportive of the, of it. I think Maureen is one of the best facilitators in the world. He's one of a kind. So, and that's what worked for a couple of years, six or seven, eight years. And then IAF organized itself into chapter structures, and we had to become an association. So we, we terminated the foundation and became IAF Netherlands and for again, about, I think, 7,8,9 years. But the problem I always said with associations is that you have all these things about membership, and I think that association is not the best fit for a network of facilitators, because it creates expectations about what IAF does. So people usually ask me, okay, what is IAF going to do for me? And I said, Well, nothing. I'm not your mother. You have to facilitate yourself. We're here to facilitate you. But people kind of expect us to do things for them, and I was resisted that so, but I must say, I'm an exception. So most of my fellow board members, they were very kind, and they organized things, and they made memberships at everything. And I'm not that good in organizing things, you know.   H.J I guess that's true of lots of people, though, isn't it? So some people are natural organizers, and some people just want to go and do whatever the facilitation or the, you know, take part in things. And sounds like a, it's a good job that you have that mix in the chapter.    J.L Yeah, and I also said I'm the worst chair in the world, you know, because I facilitate, I don't share anything. So, but in the end, because the problem with a board is, in my opinion, that you shouldn't have people in the board for eternity. So we made the decision that you could only be two times three years in the board, and then you have to leave the board. So gradually the board of the IAF changed, and then many of the board members became frustrated, because when you organize a conference, not many people show up. I think that is only natural with facilitation, because it's the diversity of facilitators is too wide to have a common ground. That may sound strange, but in my opinion, we don't have a common ground. We don't have anything in common except that we call ourselves facilitators, and that is not enough to have a professional association. I personally always say a facilitation is not a profession, it's a calling.   N.W And so I mean, I suppose, bearing that in mind, despite some of the challenges of finding some common ground, you have hosted 12 conferences, I think, over the past sort of 30 years, while you've been involved. So what have been some of the topics or themes that the conferences have been about and that you've brought together people around?   J.L Well, usually, I collect a small group of people, and we have a conversation about, or a facilitated meeting about what, what could be the theme of the conference. So we did a conference of, do, do the nothing, or in, in the Dao, it's called the way Wu wei. So it's, it's like do nothing, and it's very difficult for facilitators not to intervene, but sometimes it's very important not to intervene, so be there and be aware of what happens, and notice that you should let things go as they were, and only wait until you are invited to intervene. So we did a conference about that. We did a conference of sedators carries on. So I think it's in England it's a set of movies, carry on movies.   N.W Yeah, quite a different facilitation, I think in my memory, but yes.   J.L No, but it's also what we do. You know, you just carry on.   N.W yeah, too true.   J.L and also like things that like, Oh, what do you do when you don't know what to do? This is also an interesting theme. And we also did a thing on facilitating with the brain in mind. So at that time, about 10, 15 years ago, a brain facilitation was coming up. So I just invited facili, we just invited facilitators to have a meeting together, so and bring the knowledge or the experience together. And then we also did something about like serious facilitation, which is also very funny, facilitation, seriously.   H.J It sounds like there's definitely a bit of a theme just listening to you talk around facilitators needing to sort of step back a bit and not get too stuck in. And I do recognize that that kind of feeling, that sometimes you feel as a facilitator, that you need to do something.    J.L The other issue with facilitation is that you always have to work from a perspective and a meet up perspective. You have to be aware of your awareness. So you have to be aware of the metaphor which is being used. So people talk in metaphors, but you have to take the metaphor literally and not figuratively, and that is, and that is very hard to do, to see yourself in a situation and be aware of your situation and at the same time, how should I say, control your behavior or or inhibit that's also a thing which is important, that you are inhibited. In my opinion, I will say that your timing is more important than your method. So we are also always focused on to methods and techniques which are important. You know, you I know about every method and technique in the world, but at the same time, the timing is more important so you can use the wrong method and still have the right timing and get the results. Where, if you have a good methods, but your timing is wrong, then it won't work. And then people start to think, Okay, I should know this method better, but now it's not in the method its in your timing. And in my interventions, I always try ,and then when we do is also about when we're training, to be late in your intervention, a bit laid back so you can see your intervention coming, at least I can do it, and then I say, Okay, let's wait for some time and see if I'm right. You have to be aware of your assumptions. Yeah, that's it. And that's also in physics, you know, that's what I'm mean, to be, to be aware of your assumptions about what is needed and first test your assumptions before you act on it. That's, I think, how you should define your meta perspective. So whatever happens in a group, you make an assumption, okay, I think they are stuck. And then you say, okay, What sign do I have that they are stuck? Okay, well, they're quarreling, yeah, but quarreling doesn't mean they are stuck. It can also be very constructive. You know, one of the times as an example, I was a co facilitator with a facilitator, and people only in a group were disagreeing with each other, and they asked me, What should we do? I said, Well, just let the disagreement continue. Disagreement is good, and only when you're called in to, to facilitate, then you come as a facilitator. And and this is very hard to do, because you want to keep, to care for the group. Do you want to people to be constructive and to have people sometimes they have to disagree with each other. And only when you're asked to intervene, you intervene.    N.W Yes, I think there's something really interesting there about, as you said, the timing, and kind of maybe leaving it a little bit longer than you'd be tempted to, just because sometimes then something more emerges that you might not have assumed would happen. And, yeah, really interesting.    H.J Okay, thinking of time and moving on, just so we make use of the time we have. I just, I wanted to ask a little bit about the book that you co wrote, co authored. And this was, I think, one of the initiatives of your chapter, the IAF Netherlands chapter, and it was called diverging conversations through facilitation. And I think it's got 24 different case studies from different facilitators. And I just really wanted to find out a little bit more about that.   J.L It was actually a suggestion of one of our facilitators that we should have a kind of year book. So every year a book about facilitation. And so I invited a group of facilitators to brainstorm about it, and I asked them to bring one of their favorite books, one book that inspired them. And then everybody introduces themselves using their book they brought. And then we looked at the qualities of the book, and then we make a list of the qualities about the book on facilitation, and then it was, they came off. So okay, we should have concrete cases about what you do as a facilitator, where you make the difference. It should have a strict format of four pages with two pictures, but not use the actual pictures, which make them into a line drawing, because you can read line drawings easier than pictures. And also they don't age. So pictures age, and then it should have a, shall I say, the preface, and a reflection on the on the book, and, and then we made this the chapters like, Okay, what did the client say? What was your situation? what was the core question?  What did you do as a facilitator? And then away, actually, where did you make the difference as a facilitator? And then what was your result? And then a reflection on your session. And then we edited all the and then we asked people first of time in the Netherlands, we did the thing in the Netherlands, first called the book, was ‘Facilitation Made Easy'. And we just invited people who came to the conference or in our networks to submit cases and asked their clients if they were okay with that their case was used. And also we checked the actual cases, and then we edited them for for, how should I say it, that they all look the same. And also, when you ask a facilitator what they do, you get a long story about the I did this and this and then I did, but that was not interesting. We wanted to know, where did you make the difference? What was the turning point, or the the Blue Note way, what was, what was, what you did, the counterpoint in your session? And then we sent them back to them, and what do you think about it? And then when they agreed, we put them in the book. And then, and it was very clever. I think we made, we decided to print like 2000 copies, but you could have your own cover sheet. So you could buy 50 or 100 with your own organization on the front and on the back, with and, and these were the sponsors of the book. So they paid, actually, they paid the fixed cost for making a book, publishing the book, even before we had to sell it, because they have already and they got a very low price for the 50 or 100. So our company might at work, ordered 100 and there were several other organizations, most of them organization for facilitators who bought 50 or 100 copies in the pre-sales. And I had my book published by Helling here in the Netherlands about facilitation, which is actually a meta praxis. And then it was in the Netherlands it was a huge success, and I introduced it at an IAF Europe conference. And then we decided to create the international version, and we translated the 12 international cases from the Netherlands, because a lot of us work in other countries and than in the Netherlands, and we invited facilitators from England, from Germany, from Japan, from North Africa, to add their cases. And we use the same format, and we added a glossary of terms, because then suddenly you notice that when we use the same word, we are saying different things. And we published that book, and our basic idea at that time was to make it one yearly or two yearly event and use the cases from the IAF award, let's say, as a format. We proposed it to the board, but we never heard anything about our proposal, again. One of the other things a facilitator could only buy two copies. So you bought one for yourself, and want to give away.   H.J Nice. I think I have a copy actually. So yeah.   N.W And from all of those different global case studies, are there any sort of key themes or lessons that came out of those, or any particular case studies that stood out for you?    J.L Yes, several. I think the case from Maureen Jenkins is very interesting because he worked with a congregation of nuns in Roman and international organization, which is actually very huge, but they have to change their way of working, and since it is very natural. And also, I like the case by Marlin Moran from Sweden, because in that case it is actually, it's a very short case, which actually, which is very often the case in many problem situations that people have different, how should I said, meanings of the same word. So in this case, it's about teamwork, but and the teamwork didn't work because they, the CEO, didn't think they were a team. They were working as a team, and it just happened that they had different definitions of the way of teamwork, some thinks, okay, it's a month or the weekly meeting. And also now we should pull together as a team we should share those. And Marlin noticed that and then made that as an intervention. And so this is also the cases that you start out with a certain assumption about what is the case, and then suddenly notice that there's a completely different problem or situation which is not being discussed and which should be on the forefront of the meeting. And I think this is one of the red threads, the one of ,what they have in common, that you are able to change your assumptions on what is happening while in the meeting. So of course, it's very difficult because you have prepared your script and or if you have your agenda and you want to stick to the agenda, but actually your own, I will say, you only got your agenda to know where you differ from your agenda. Plans are nothing. Planning is everything. So you've got a plan. I'm very, almost very well prepared for my sessions, but most of the times, in the first quarter an hour or first half an hour, the plan goes out of the window.   H.J I really like that plan. Plans are nothing. Planning is everything. I think I might, I might take that as a quote.   J.L  yeah, and you have to be able to replan your session during session, and that is why you have to. So only when you are well prepared you can improvise, because that gives you the certainty that you have thought this and and the ability to let go of your preparation when the need arises, when the situation asks you to. By the way, I learned it from a very good facilitator. She once came to my training. You did the brown    N.W and so thinking about, obviously, you've talked about the book and the conferences. What other ways do you sort of bring people together in IAF Netherlands? what other kinds of activities have you run? Or do you currently run?   J.L Well, strangely enough,we had to dissolve the association, so we are now kind of a kind of open network, which I run through meetup, and I only organize one meeting a year, and still the meetup starts to grow and grow and grow. So we go from 300 or under 300 to over 500 now. And I sometimes ask people, okay, what you want me to organize, to facilitate, and then I get no response. So I don't know, you know, let's see. I'm hoping to do something in September about facilitation.    H.J And do you have any particular you know, What do you think will happen in the future? So at the moment, it sounds like it's sort of loosely organized network of meetups. Or, as you say, you know, you put one meetup on a year. What are you hoping for the future?    J.L Well, what I've seen, what this happened, has happened in the Netherlands, is that there are several networks now, or facilitators, most of them are organized in a company and around a certain method or a certain tool, like Open space or Agile or Facilitation Academy. And in most of those, future center. And in most of those networks, people participate, who used to be in the IAF network. And I sometimes talk to them and say, why don't you come to the IAF meetings? And then say, well, we don't need an international association. So they are like local organizations for local meetings. And I think it's that's I think I see myself, like as a catalyst. And also in the IAF Meetup group, most of the participants are non Dutch speakers, but they work with consultancy agency or, yeah, or they are self employed in networks as a trainer or a consultant. They don't call themselves facilitators, and I expect that after some time, we will start doing more meetings or sessions on facilitation. But then, you know, this is just my way of organizing. So I don't organize much. I like just things. Things happen all by themselves. They don't need me to to happen and only when you when I'm asked to do something, I do something, that may seem strange, but I think that most of, actually all change processes happen by themselves through everything, even before open space, I thought everything that happens is the only thing that can happen and the people who come are always the right people. You know, I did sessions at an international IAF conference, and only one person showed up at my workshop. And, okay, let's have a one person workshop. And she's still very fond of it. Since I met her again, she's from Turkey. She still remembers that workshop that sometimes you know you your workshops are crowded to 40, 50 people. Okay, your framing creates your situation. So when you frame yourself as an association, you've got Association problems, and I can say blindly, which they are. You have to tend to take care of your members. The members expect you. You have to have a board, and your board will indefinitely expand. You have a certification events, and the certification will also proliferate. You get like a master certificate and a beginner certificate, I already predicted that this is a normal way of working. And as I said, facilitation is not a normal way of working. We are exceptional people ,work in an exceptional situation.    N.W Okay, well, I mean, I think there's a really lovely sort of emergent theme, kind of running through the conversation today, which I think it's more about, as you, you said earlier on, about the kind of ,the universe, I think, and how that shifts, and maybe that's how the future of the chapter might emerge and sort of respond. So I think we've had a really great conversation today, Jan thank you so much for your time. If listeners are in the Netherlands, where should they look? You mentioned the meetup, where can they find out more?    J.L Yeah, the IAF Netherlands meet up.    N.W Okay, so is there a website they need to look for?    J.L It's a Facilitator Meetup Netherlands facilitated by IAF Netherlands it's called.   N.W Okay   J.L  And there are now 5579 members.    N.W Brilliant. And what about if people would like to get in touch with you directly. Where's the best place to find you?    J.L Well, you can use it through the facilitator meetup by IAF Netherlands, or send me an email. IAF-netherlands@kpnmail.nl   N.W Great. Thank you so much.    H.J Thank you so much. Jan, it's been really interesting talking to you, and I'd love to chat more, but for today's podcast, thank you very much.    J.L Thank you. Thank you for inviting me, lovely to talk with you.  

This episode is one of our quarterly “Chapter Chats” where the team talks to leaders of other IAF Chapters.  In this episode Helene and Nikki chat to Sara Tremmi Proietti and Andrea Panzavolta from IAF Italy.  They talk about How the chapter began in 2013 and the successive leaders since then; Initiatives to extend the reach of the chapter in Southern Italy: The co-leadership model used for the past two leadership terms;   “Our jobs are a little bit different. So it's very interesting because we see things from very different perspectives. And this is also always very, very rich, and something that I really, really recommend” (Sara on co-leading with Giacamo)   The Chapter's Annual Conference- its volunteer-led model and support provided to people who'd like to run a session; Working collaboratively with other Associations in Italy; Twinning with other IAF chapters including Romania and Syria; Plans and aspirations for the future of the Chapter;  “we would like the chapter to be a point of reference at the national level for organisations who are seeking facilitator facilitation services or just want to learn something more about it” A full transcript is below.  Links  Today's guests:  Sara Tremmi Proietti: saratremmiproetti@gmail.com  IAF Italy website: https://iaf-italy.org/  IAF Italy email: italy@iaf-world.org   Today's subject  LinkedIn Article about Co Leadership by Andrea and Deborah: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/stepping-leadership-iaf-story-deborah-rim-moiso-fmdwf/   To find out more about Facilitation Stories and the IAF and the England and Wales Chapter  Facilitation Stories website: https://facilitationstories.libsyn.com/  And to email us: podcast@iaf-englandwales.org  IAF England and Wales: https://www.iaf-world.org/site/chapters/england-wales The Facilitation Stories Team  Helene Jewell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helenejewell/  Nikki Wilson:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolawilson2/   Transcript   H.J Hello and welcome to Facilitation Stories, the community podcast brought to you by the England and Wales chapter of the International Association of Facilitators, also known as IAF. I'm Helene Jewell (HJ) and   N.W I'm Nikki Wilson (NW)   H.J And this episode is one of our quarterly Chapter Chats, where we talk to people leading other chapters in the IAF global community. We ask them about how they see the status of facilitation, where they are, and the history, priorities, current projects and aspirations of the chapter. Today, we're joined by Andrea Panzavolta (AP) and Sara Tremmi Proietti (SP), co chairs of IAF Italy, welcome.   S.P Thank you, Helene.   A.P Thank you so much for the invitation and also for your perfect pronunciation.   H.J Thank you so welcome to you both. And to start off with, we would like to know a little bit more about both of you and about the kind of work you do. So if you could tell us a bit about yourselves, that would be great.   S.P Thank you Helene. Okay, so my name is Sara, and I live in Rome, which is in centre of Italy. I have been working in public administration for over 10 years now, and for the past three years, I've been drawn to the world of facilitation, first attending a course and then starting to work also in in this field, public administration, I focused initially on economic programming, but then I turned more on teams like innovation and process optimization. So that's how I met facilitation, because during an office reorganisation attempt, we met a lot of conflicts and resistances and difficulties with our team. And so I understood that I needed to, you know, to discover and to learn something more about people, about relation, about group working. So that's how I met it and how I am.   A.P So may I introduce myself, and first of all, thank you for the invitation and for this amazing initiative, because I also listened to the past podcast and were very, very, very well done. I'm not the actual chapter leader. I was the past chapter leader with Deborah Rim Moiso. So thank you also, Sarah, who invited me to join you. And I'm an urban planner and the facilitator, of course, our 20 years that I practise as a facilitator. I'm a founder of the formative collective, that is a project that focuses on the team of non violent communication. And of course, we use the participatory techniques, methods. And I was awarded with the Platinum Award 2020 by the International Association of Facilitator. So I'm very proud about this, in a project that I follow it by region Emilia-Romagna, that is my region in the north of Italy, and the team was about the Community of Practice on participatory policy making. So that's all for me.   H.J Thank you. Really interesting to hear how you both got into facilitation and congratulations on your award too, Andrea.   A.P Thanks so much. It's a past award.   N.W Great. So today we're going to be talking about IAF Italy, which we know had its 10 year anniversary last year. So what can you tell us about how it started and how the chapters developed over that 10 year period?   A.P Yeah, thank you for the question Nikki .The Italian chapter born in 2013 on the initiative by Giancarlo Manzone and Gerardo de Luzengerger that I imagine you know very well. And from 2019 to 2021 was coordinated by Paola Martinez. That is another IAF member, very active. And since May 2021, has been coordinated by me and Deborah Rim Moiso. And now the coordinators are Sara Tremmi Proietti and Giacomo Petitti. And the chapter started to create collaboration between facilitators, and mainly to explain what the facilitator do. At that time nobody in Italy know the term, the word facilitator. And I was scared to present me as a facilitator, because nobody, nobody could understand what I did. So this is our first mission in that time.   H.J Thank you. Really interesting. Sorry, Sara, did you have something to add?     S.P Yeah, I would like to, just to add that the professional facilitator now it's spreading a little bit more in Italy, but still, we have a lot of resistance among organisations. And there is a great concentration of facilitators in the north of the country. So we are our initiative now is also to bring facilitation to the southern regions of the country. And we are quite pleased about an initiative that came from our members, which is a small initiative, because they just decided to have a WhatsApp chat called like facilitators from the South. And the nice thing is that this initiative came from a Canadian girl, who is a member who lives now in the south of Italy, and but, and she's a member of IAF Italy, and she formed this WhatsApp chat, and we are quite proud of this, even if this is a small step, but it does mean something for us.   H.J Wow, that's so interesting. And also that kind of organic movement of yeah, people starting up their own, yeah? Well, WhatsApp chat   S.P Exactly, exactly, yeah.   H.J  And I think what's interesting actually for us is, the more we do these Chapter Chats, we hear a bit of a consistent theme, actually, in this people don't really know what facilitation is. That certainly, when we spoke to Bogdan from IAF Romania, that was one of the things he was talking about as well. So it's definitely and in the UK. So it's definitely not, uh, not something, uh, specific to where we are, which is interesting. Okay, so, um, thinking then, uh, well building a bit on what you were saying, Sara about, you know, you've got some new initiatives. Can you tell us a bit more about the chapter as it is today?   S.P Yeah, sure. So the chapter today has about 30 to 35 members, as I was saying before, with the predominance in the north of Italy. So it's like 20 to 22, members in the north, and four of them are certified facilitators. So now we still have two co-leader, a co-leadership. It's me and Giacomo Petitti. We have been holding this role for a year now, so it's midterm kind of. And what we do is we basically carried on the work, the job that was began by Andrea and Deborah, because we hold monthly meetings. So it's pretty regularly. It's like the third Monday of each month we meet. And we also provided IAF Italy with a Zoom account so that we can, we could, uh, ensure you know this regularity. And this is a place, this is a moment of the month where people can meet and discuss and also participate in building and nourishing the community and to identify together goals and activities. So we wanted to be a participated chapter, no. So since we are kind of scattered among, you know, along the country, across the country, we cannot hold, like in person events so frequently. So we have our national event, which is held in Milan every year. So we keep it, you know, online, mainly. And then we we have, like, some activities, like, you know, things that we participate in, in events with other association for the promotion of the participation, or for the promotion of facilitation as well. Like, we went to an event last September in Bologna. So we travel a little bit, me and Giacomo sometimes. And then to, you know, to keep up with members, we have this WhatsApp chat, and then we have a sort of newsletter. We can call it like monthly, where we give, we keep them updated to with the international events and initiatives that are going on into the IAF Ward and yeah and that, that's pretty much it. And then we have, you know, like a specific also, activities that we were following, but maybe Andrea will tell you more later about it.   N.W And you touched on the kind of Co-leadership model that you follow. What do you, have you found works well in making that work when you're co leading?   A.P Yes, before the 2021 the chapter had always been led by an individual, but when Gerardo asked me to became the chapter leader, I was very scared. And in that period I had less time to dedicate to the association. So I asked to Deborah Rim Moiso to help me, and she joined, and she was very happy to join this experience. And we together were inspired by experiments in Co-leadership adopted by the global ecovillage network and and we not, we're not sure, but they may have too been inspired by the Kurdish democratic and federalism practices. So this was our approach, and it's very simple. Our co-leadership started, I don't know if now work at the same, but I think it's very similar. And any leadership position is taken at the same time by two people of different genders. So we suggest different genders, both are leader together. And you know, as IAF you need to have only one reference, one the chapter leader, but I was the person who did the senior tour. But for me and Deborah, we have the same power. And for me, was very important to share the season and to share also that after the meeting with the IAF International. And was very, very useful also to define the future strategy, also to when we decided to engage more members from the south of Italy, we decided together this and we decided to to have regular meetings with us, with me and Deborah. We call the coffee time meeting, or the beer meeting, the beer time meeting. So every week, we had a short meeting of half an hour to share ideas and also to share information that we took from from different meetings that we participate. So we shared also the duties you know about, to be a chapter leader. And so was a very good experience, and we suggested this managed model to all the chapters.   H.J Nice, and for you Sara, does that, is it a model that feels nice working alongside somebody else?   S.P Yeah, very much. I really appreciated this initiative. And when Andrea proposed me to take the role and told me that Giacomo was in as well, I was really relieved. I was like, Okay, now, now I know that I can do it like this. You know, in pairs. Yeah, I think it's very interesting to be together. And also you can, you know, divide activities, such as the previous one I was talking about, when you have to travel around. And also you can, you know, share meetings where you have to, that you have to attend, but mostly you can discuss and share fears and projects for the future. And also Giacomo and I have very different backgrounds. How are you know, we live in different places, in different type of communities, our jobs are a little bit different. So it's very interesting because we see things from very different perspectives and this is also always very, very rich, and something that I really, really recommend. So I'm really, really enjoying this. And also the nice thing was that at the last general conference, we kind of hosted the conference, which is organised by Gerardo every year. But also we decided to have a session together for a session. So we brought a workshop so we could test, you know, our Co-leadership in person and during work. So that's nice.   H.J So it sounds great from sort of lots of different perspectives. And yeah, interesting thinking about that diversity perspective that you both bring two sort of different mindsets or different ways of facilitating to your leadership. And I can absolutely, having been passed England and Wales chapter chair, I can absolutely relate to that being a bit scared of doing it by yourself. So if you've got somebody to work alongside with that must feel really good. So the other thing you you've just mentioned again, leading us nicely onto, my next question is about your annual conference. It would be really nice to hear a bit more about about the how that works, about your plans and past conferences as well. You tell us a bit more.   A.P Yeah, maybe I could introduce some themes related to the past conferences. And what I could say a lot of subjects. We started with ‘the collaboration era' was the title of the first Italian conference. Was the first conference to make know better the professional facilitator, and to start also the collaboration with different professional you know. At the time, each facilitator was very jealous about his work ,his profession, because it was, was something very precious, so we decided to start collaboration to share experience methods and what what we know. In our conference, everyone bring his or her experience and the share methods could offer a free workshop so you have to share something of your professional experience also. And another theme that I loved, it was “where the donkey falls”. So when you are a facilitator, you do everything very well, but when you start to converge to the, to take the decision, here come the problems. So how we could take good decision, how we could go in the conversing way and respect our participants or the group's members. And after that was very good for me, the covid free editions conference, because we shared all we learned in these months of pandemic situation also about the online. But were moment to share those feelings as professional, as individual, as a member of a family, and what does. Also the last conference we organised were about the facilitate in a few words, so no verbal facilitation. How to use the body, arms? You know, we are Italian. We could was very, very well para verbal. But you never stop to study. You have to improve your skills. So we decide to face this team. And the last in the in 2024 the team was neutrality in facilitation. I mean, it's possible to be really neutral as a facilitator in a group, how you can do to be natural, what methods, what you have to do before the groups works before the workshop or after, to be more neutral. And at the end, one of the most nice for me experience of the conference was the agile and facilitation conference that was there during the European Middle East, original conference of the IAF, so was a very, was an international conference. We mainly, not mainly, all the conference has been organised in Italian language. This was the only conference can I organise in English. Always in Milan was dedicated to Agile. So to work with an agile methods, and also to go in deep in the Agile methods that it's not only for person that work with computer and engineers but it's also good for design thinking, the facilitator. And I don't know if Sara wants to add something more about this experience?   S.P Yes, thank you  Andrea, it was very exhaustive. Yeah, what I would like to add is more like a personal, maybe, point of view for in a way, because I, as I said before, I met facilitation three years ago. So I just attended a couple of conferences the last two. So the first one was, yeah, the one like facilitating in a few words, and that, for me, was really amazing, because I just met facilitation and I had no idea, like not no idea, but I was very young in facilitation. So experiencing facilitation through the body and through paraverbal was very enriching for me, because I could learn a lot and experiment on myself a lot. And the second one, and the very nice thing for me was that I was asked by Andrea, I think by Andrea, or by Delfino, I don't remember, to to facilitate the open space technology that we always have during the conference. And it was the first time for me, and that was absolutely amazing experience. And in general, the great thing about the conference is that it brings together very different people, and you get to know that, other words, you know, exist in facilitation. And this is something that being new. It's always you know, something to discover. So it's very interesting. And another thing that I would like to add is that in the this year, last conference, which was held in March, the one about neutrality, was organised in a slightly different way, because there was like a preparation path conference. And people were, are kind of supported and not tutored, but supported in their planning and designing of the workshops that they wanted to to offer. And these, and they were like, they were like feedback, attentions, so that people could improve and take care of, you know, details supported by by a team of, you know, facilitators, and these ensured great quality of of workshops during the conference. It was really, really, really high quality. And I believe that it helped also young facilitators to, you know, to offer workshops with less anxiety. I don't know how to say that, you know, so, yeah, that was really, really nice. I think   A.P If I put up just a very practical thing that is not obvious, the conference is all organised by volunteers, and this is a choice, because the fee is very low, so it's about 180 or 150 euros. It depends about the year. So we want to be very open also to person that are not facilitator, are curious about facilitators or facilitation methods and stories, and that's all.   H.J Sounds kind of similar to the conference that we put on in England and Wales, actually there's, yeah, definite similarities. Nice. Thank you.   N.W Brilliant. And so I suppose building again on that kind of peer led nature of the work the chapter often builds collaborations and partnerships, both within Italy and beyond. So if we just start off with Italy, could you share some examples of some recent and current collaborations that you're involved with?   A.P Yeah, thank you, Nikki for the question. Yes. When I became chapter leader, together with Deborah, we decide to enforce relation with National Association, because we understood that we have to grow, and to grow we have to enforce the relation to know more association that are interested in the same subjects. So mainly we did intervention to explain what I effectively do and what are the core competencies, support, facilitator, and, you know, just to present ourselves and to explain what a facilitator is. We invite all the members of different association to share information and objectives, to find common ground. So we work, in particular with IP two, that is an association in Italy that work on public participation. And if the members are more academic, are more are not professional facilitator, but like to work in the field of facilitator and the public democratic choices. So they are very engaged about what IAF is. And also, we decide to start collaboration with Association like Facilit Ambiente, that is an association, a private association that is offered by the Chamber of Commerce of Milan Monza Brianza Lodi. And it's a sort of service offered for preventing environmental conflicts through facilitation. So they trust in facilitation. They want to support and promote the facilitations approaches and also IAF approaches and the core competencies. So also we work with the open gulf consultation, that is the national consultation, that aim to engage citizens, normal citizens, in the decision related to the government. And there is a national platform, online platform, and you can vote, you know, like this deal, but it's a national platform. So very, very hard to participate because you need, you need to use a lot of personal data to vote before, but for us, was a must. As an international association, as a national association of facilitation, we have to speak also with the Italian government about these, these subjects.   H.J Thank you. Sara, was there anything to add from you?   S.P Yeah, just that this, we are with the associate association that Andrea mentioned, the Association for Public Participation. We are now reviewing the Participation Charter, which was elaborated, created 10 years ago. So after 10 years, this charter has been reviewed. And the Charter is a document promoted by IAF Italy, and this AIP through association with other associations that establishes principles and objectives and guidelines for promoting public participation in decision making processes and the process of reviewing this charter just ended. So we will present this work at the Festival of the Participation, which would be held soon in Italy. So we are quite, quite proud of this. And yes, in general, we try to connect with the associate Association in order to spread facilitation, and also to promote the recognition of the facilitator, facilitator profession in Italy, because this profession is not yet recognised here.   H.J Amazing, Wow. Sounds like you've got lots and lots of Yeah, lots of work that you're doing, and perhaps lots more to do, just thinking about collaborations, but more specifically about the twinning that you've been doing with other chapters. I wanted to ask you a bit more about that. So we spoke to Bogdan, as I said before, from IAF Romania in a previous Chapter Chat and we know that you've twinned with IAF Romania, and you have started, I think, to twin with IAF Syria. And I just wondered if you could tell us a bit more about that.   S.P Yeah, yeah. We, Giacomo and I, decided to carry on this, this initiative that was started by Andrea and Deborah with the Romania when but we did with this training with Syria. And it was a very, very enriching experience for us, because it could help us expand our horizon, you know, also beyond, beyond the Western culture. And so we had a series of virtual workshop, online workshop with with Syrian, in order to share knowledge, resources and best practices between our chapters. We had four meetings about the first one was like, like, the role of facilitation in post disaster recovery. And this was really interesting, because we exchange different stories, and we could see how different it was to, for example, recover after natural disaster. Like it was like in Italy, because we have, we had a few earthquakes in the last few years that and then we had to rebuild, you know, buildings and communities. Whereas in Syria, they had to rebuild after war, and then also after earthquakes. So we could share this experience, and we would see the differences and the great job that they did, and that we also tried to do here in Italy. And also it was very nice because each, each each meeting, the other meetings, were about the conflict management and cultural diversity. So it was, it was very nice to because there are, there might be great differences, you know, in culture, especially when you, when you compare Italy to Syria. So it really makes you think and reflect even out of the session. You know, you have to think about cultural diversity at the basis of the relation. I don't know how to explain it better. And it was nice because we had the chance to co facilitate. So it was an Italian and a Syrian facilitator. And so it was really enriching and but what I saw and what I really liked is that, because I did facilitate one of these meetings, and it was the openness and the human connection that we could find and share when doing something that we really liked. So it was something that went beyond cultural diversity and went beyond the barrier, also the language barrier that you can meet when you go facilitate. You know, maybe Andrea wants to tell us a few more about the Romanian experience.   A.P But, yeah, sure. Just something to add about the idea, the idea, when we decide, with Deborah to propose this twinning during a meeting of the European chapter, we decide to propose a twinning that was composed about three, four meetings, thematic meetings. And of course, that will not take more than two years twinning, because, from our idea, also the Chapter must be in charge for two years. And every two years we want to change chapter leaders and as well, co chapter leaders. And so the twinning at this time about the Romania was amazing because was the first twinning so we decided together, also with bogdan and his and their colleagues, we decided also to share how it's different the professional facilitator in Romania and Italy. So starting from, what are your clients? What are your fees? And something very, very practical, but also if you work more in the private or public sector and what you did, what are your institution? So the line was to enrich each other with methods, but also take inspiration how to work in a different way with different clients that together are not you don't know. And so was very fun also to understand that we are in the same boat, so everything is the same in your nation. So a very good experience that I suggest to each chapter to start.   H.J Thank you. So then thinking about, actually, I just wanted to pick up on one thing you were talking about there, the language, which obviously we as native English speakers have as the kind of luxury, if you like that, when things are in a shared language, they are often in English, which is quite easy for us. How does that, How hard or easy is that to for example, work with Romania, work with Syria and have to use for both of you to be using a language that isn't your own.   S.P Well, actually, I mean, I do really like languages so and I think it's fun to when you meet someone who is not a native English speaker, to find your own vocabulary, like you build up your own vocabulary, which maybe it's not even English, it's not Italian, it's not Syrian, it's not Romanian, but somehow you understand each other, and that's fun. But I have to say that sometimes it can be a barrier, because, like maybe not all the, not all our members felt confident to facilitate in English. So, yeah, so you really need to encourage them that you will find a way to build up your vocab, vocabulary. And also, I think that during the sessions, there is this, at least for me, like, kind of worried that I may not understand well what people are saying, and maybe I my facilitation could be, you know, so and so. And so, you really need to trust yourself, I think, a little bit more, but also, and that's why I really like facilitation, you can always rely on your co facilitator, so if you or make a joke about it, so if you are two, if it's two, you know facilitators not speaking English as a native language, I think it's a lot easier to to manage that.   A.P If I could share, I remember my first online meeting with the monthly meeting with the European Middle East, and I was so scared about the language, because I never studied English, so I learned by myself. So I was so scared or what, what I could say with these facilitators, so professional facilitator. And there was, I met Andrew Spiteri, you know, in a breakout room, and he was so polite, so friendly, that I was very relaxed. And after that meeting, I said myself, everything will be okay. Don't, don't, don't be scared. Don't worry about the English. And you can also use para verbal and don't speak.   H.J Yeah,that's always a fall back, isn't it? Wow, yes, I've delivered training in a different language. Anyway, moving on. So yeah, looking ahead, what's happening in the near future in IAF Italy and yeah, how would you like to see things develop over the next few years?   S.P Okay, so looking ahead, so our focus, I think, remain on strengthening the culture of participation and participation in general. For sure, public participation is, you know, something that is important for us. And also, yeah, having this thing that I mentioned before that having the professional facilitator formally recognised. So something, yeah, it's like to we would like, yeah, this profession to be seen and understood and recognised at a, you know, an institutional level. This is the general, you know, the frame. So in the near future, of course, there is the next general conference. I know it's we are a year ahead, but it takes a lot of work. And of course, the conference is organised by Gerardo, but it's in collaboration with the Chapter. So we are working on improving the model, the new method that we experimented last year. And so we want to see where it goes if we keep working on that. So with this preparation path, and try to trying to scout a little bit new facilitators and see if they want to put themselves to the test, you know. So that it can be the annual conference, can be a place where people, even less experienced facilitators, can can try it, can grow, can know facilitation better and know themselves better as facilitators. This is Yeah, in the near future. In the long term, I think we would like to, the Chapter to transform into a proper, real, like community, where facilitators can share, can support each other, can network and also create work opportunities together. We what we would like is that people feel free to ask each other for help, for support, if they are short of ideas or about a session or a method or something like that. Then we want people to rely on each other, and we want to facilitate this trust building process, I don't know. And also, we would like the chapter to be a point of reference at the national level for organisations who are seeking facilitator facilitation services or just want to learn something more about it. So we would like to be Yeah, like a subject, someone people facilitators and organisation can rely on and can go and ask for help or information.     H.J Great. Anything else from you Andrea? Any other thoughts on the future?   A.P Of course, you know, I'm not now the chapter leader, but I absolutely have some ideas. And Sara had said something very important for me, so support the facilitator and to give them visibility. Organise moment to present facilitator to clients, to to factories, to person that don't know facilitator, and have to know and have to use facilitator because it's better. And when you try facilitator, you ask to yourself, why I didn't do it before. So I want to that IAF Italy support also the professional part of the individual facilitator and for me, it's very important, because in Italy, we need to grow with numbers. And I mean, also in Europe, but in our case, we have to make grow the knowledge of facilitators.   S.P I would just like to add that, I mean, my personal dream is also, of course, since I work in public administration, to bring facilitation in public administration, you know. So this is something that I try to do, you know, very, very small things in my everyday life, at work, but this is, it's more a personal dream this, but I would like to mention that as well, because I think we really need that. We do have, I think that facilitation is kind of entering institutions at a small, at the municipal level, so, you know, town hall level. But in the bigger institution which I belong to, I don't see that much, and I think we really, really, really need that. And also I think that for the for the chapter, something that we should try to, should invest on is young facilitators, of course, and this is also a campaign that IAF global is carrying on. We know that some of our members did join initiatives that have been carried on at the global level. And we are very happy about that. And I also, I would like to maybe this is also a personal, a personal dream. But I really like the share and learn idea, you know, the series that we have at the global level. And I would like that to have that maybe at a chapter level, maybe Italian, maybe even in a more structured way, maybe easier. So something that not felt like kind of overwhelming by people, but that can be, you know, a way to to exchange between peers,   N.W Great, well, lots of big plans and you've got a big work agenda ahead of you, but it sounds like some, some great ambitions there, and really interesting different things that you're getting involved in. So just before we wrap up then, where should we go if we want to find out more about you and the IAF Italy Chapter?   S.P We have a website, and then we also you can reach us, reach us at our email. So the website is, of course, www.Iaf-italy.org , and the email Italy@IAF-word.org so you can always write to us, we always answer and see, check our emails. And you can also write to me. My email is s.tremmiproietti@gmail.com and yeah, this is, this is our contact.   H.J Thank you so much. So I think it just leaves us to say thank you for joining us today, Sara and Andrea. It has been really fascinating talking to you and hearing all about IAF Italy, past, present and future. And hopefully we'll get a chance to speak to you again soon.   S.P Thank you. Thank you Helene and Nikki for the invitation. It was my first experience, and I'm really happy about it.   A.P Thank you so much for the invitation.   H.J  So listeners, we've reached the end of another episode of Facilitation Stories, the community podcast for IAF, England and Wales.   N.W If you'd like to find out more about the IAF and how to get involved, all of the links are on our website, facilitationstories.com   H.J And to make sure you never miss an episode, why not subscribe to the show on whatever podcast app you use   N.W We're always on the lookout for new episode ideas. So is there a fabulous facilitator you think we should talk to?   H.J Or something interesting emerging in the world of facilitation you think listeners need to hear about.   N.W Send us an email at podcast@IAF-EnglandWales.org   H.J We hope you'll join us again soon for more Facilitation Stories.   N.W Until then, thank you for listening.  

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In this weeks episode, we discuss the reason for the season, the great & mighty Jesus Christ! You will be urged to stand on the word in Matthew 7:7-12 by asking and expecting to receive victory with Christ! & warned not to neglect the Free gift of Christ while others are going into debt for temporary gifts! Goal: Receive the living water Christ offers us! Scriptures: John 7: 38-39; John 4:10 & 13; Revelation 22. Where to Find Us: Facebook @Edifying Qweens; Instagram: @edifying qweens ; Twitter @EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com. Reference: https://money.usnews.com/credit-cards/articles/survey-nearly-42-expect-to-go-into-debt-to-pay-for-the-holidays --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Encouragement for ppl who aren't feeling the holiday spirit. You don't have to be happy to be Thankful! However, when you praise him you may end up happy! Good trade off right? Let's continue to praise him in Advance! Scriptures: Psalms 107: 1-22 Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Episode 251: DJ J NICE On this week's episode of the @RoadPodcast the fellas speak with ATL Veteran and Las Vegas's finest @DJJNice. J Nice speaks on the passing of his friend @Coolio (00:26). The fellas discuss "aggressive openers" (6:02) and J Nice recalls working at the legendary Club 112 in Atlanta where he linked up with  #BigMeech of #BMF (Black Mafia Family) (21:52). He speaks on becoming the president of @Shaq's entertainment company (36:26), being @TheNotoriousBig's DJ with @DJClarkKent (44:12) and explains the one time @LilTunechi (Lil Wayne) fired him (50:45). J Nice shares a story of a past altercation with @DJDMiles at @OnTheRecordLV (1:02:52) and explains his view on Latin Artists getting booked over Hip-Hop acts in Las Vegas (1:19:02). Finally, the crew discuss the difficulties of building and executing your own parties (1:34:02).

In this weeks episode, we will be challenged to improve our communication with God. You will also be encouraged to do an exercise to write what are you expecting from God in the month of October. Scriptures: Psalm 139; 23-24, Ephesians 4:29; Psalm 141: 3; James 1:19; Colossians 4:6. Where to find us: Facebook @Edifying Qweens; Instagram@ edifyingqweens; Twitter @ Edifying Q; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com References: https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

In this weeks episode, you will glean insight on how to overcome a Quarter Life Crisis WITH Christ! & not get finessed by Satans plans to oppress you! Main take away= Proverbs 12:25 “Anxiety in a persons heart weighs it down, but a GOOD word cheers It up! Scriptures: Psalms 94:12, Luke 17:3-6 & 11-18, 18:7-30, 19:2-10. Where to find us: Facebook @Edifying Qweens; Instagram @ edifyingqweens; Twitter@ EdifyingQ; Email: EQlovesJesus@gmail.com. Reference: https://onlinedegrees.bradley.edu/blog/understanding-the-quarter-life-crisis/

In this episode we will discuss how the shift in seasons can be scary and uncomfortable. We will be encouraged through the word of God in how He will work everything out according to His Devine plan and purpose for our lives at the Right time not our time! We can rejoice at the fact that Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit! Scriptures: John 16:7; James 1:17; Hebrews 11:11. Where to find us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens; Instagram @edifyingqweens; Twitter @EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode we discuss how the acronym Fight stands for: Faith, Intentional Living, Gratitude, Happiness Holiness, Healing, and Trust. Coupled together these things will help us get exactly where God wants us! Don't allow yourself to stay down! It's time to Get Up in SJR voice lol. Where to find us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens; Instagram: @edifyingqweens; Twitter @EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com.

Mr. No Cap is joined by J Nice, Malik, Steph and Justin for an in-depth conversation on the topic of Black Fatherhood and the role of Father Figures in a child's upbringing. We dug deep, sharing personal and real-life stories about our relationships with our fathers and our experiences with raising children. Black Men being Honest, Vulnerable and Sincere! Amazing Episode, Tune In!   Organization: Blackmennetwork.net   Mailbag: whatblackmenlike@gmail.com    Follow us on Instagram: @whatblackmenlike

In this episode we learn what True love is and how we can strive to achieve that in our own relationships! You will gain tips on how to decrease conflict so you can live happily ever after! Scriptures: Romans 12: 9-21, James 1:20, Proverbs 15:1, Matthew 7:4, Eph 4:29 & 4:32, Gal 6:1. Where to find us: Facebook @ EdifyingQweens; Instagram: edifyingqweens; Twitter: EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com.

In this episode, you will learn about the 7 stages of grief and how to recognize each as it varies by person. J-nice will share how “Life is Hard” dealing with divorce. Throughout the process she has been challenged to lean fully on God. You will be encouraged to give yourself grace despite what stage of the process you may be in. You are not alone! Scriptures: John 15:7-11, Matthew 6. Where to find us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens; Instagram @edifyingqweens; Twitter @EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode, J-Nice will open up about current struggles and how we can all learn to be more like Christ who gave his life so graciously for us! Scriptures: Luke 2:51-52, Psalm 4:4-8, and Philippians 2: 3-18. Where to find us: Facebook @Edifying Qweens; Instagram: @EdifyingQweens; Twitter: EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

J-nice shares that while rejection often has a negative connotation It can actually be used for God to save you from crashing. It brings you back to God, where you are safe and under his Devine covering and anointing. Scripture: Psalm 34:17-22. Where to Find Us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens; Instagram: @edifyingqweens; Twitter: EdifyingQ; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com.

In this weeks episode J-Nice will share her experience of how she almost believed the lie and got hypnotized! You will be encouraged to tackle the unwanted things in your life while not being deceived by your own desires. Scriptures: 2 Thessalonians 2: 9-16, Proverbs 3:5-8. Where you can find us: Facebook-Edifying Qweens; Twitter-EdifyingQ; Instagram-edifyingqweens; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode we will be chatting about how the next level looks different for everyone! This is a wake up call to let you know that you are enough, but you aren't done leveling up yet! Scriptures: Psalm 103: 2-3, Luke 6:31, John 1:12. Where you can find us: Facebook-Edifying Qweens; Twitter-EdifyingQ; Instagram-edifyingqweens; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

Thank you for tuning in for another episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. It's Award Season so it is time for the Annual Swarmies Awards! Once again we welcome Mark Steeves back to the show to join the boys in super deep dive into the year that was and who we all think really shined on the show. We laughed, we cried and we finished out the year with a banger. Happy New Year and thank you for your support. 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In this episode J-Nice and Soul JAM discuss discernment and how once we understand the assignment It leads to the path of obedience and/or disobedience, which can lead to spiritual death. Scriptures: Hebrews 4:12, 5:13, Matthew 1, Luke 1, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 12:2. Where to find us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens Instagram: @edifyingqweens Twitter:EdifyingQ Email:EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

The Abyss - WHAT PODCAST IS THIS? Crimefaces presents: The Abyss Podcast. Issue 17: The Return of Live Shows Lukey Hosted the Matty-O production, Worldwide Worthy Tour fraturing Jay Worthy, Skyzoo, J-Nice, Tate228xFleetwood Fred, MondoSlade, PrimoJAB, and Sushi Punk. Karl was in attendance and the show was amazing. So we took an opportunity to talk about the return of live shows and cut in some live clips! TAP IN!!! join our Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/Crimefacestheabyss IG- @crimefacesx @crimefaces_the_abyss @lukeycage @thebonechurch @primojab Send Video submissions to: EMAIL- cftheabysspodcast@gmail.com

Welcome back to another episode of Cash Daddies. This episode, the boys bring on internet celebrity, Johnny Woodard. We talk the bloodbath market, and our picks of the week and much more on the latest episode of Cash Daddies! Invest at your own risk! *** Get 20% Off + Free Shipping @Manscaped With Code "CASHDADDIES" at Manscaped.com #Ad   Check out Cash Daddies Internet: *** ALL SOCIALS ARE HERE: https://lnk.bio/d1sj/ ***   #Investing #Crypto #Omnicron

In this episode you will be enlightened on how everyone won't understand your God given assignment to be graceful and loving, even when someone doesn't deserve It! You are not a push over you're a Passover, because that's what all of the negativity will do is pass right over you as you are walking in your divine Authority! Scriptures: Matthew 11:28-30, Matthew 12:33-37, 2 Corinthians 3. Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode we discuss burnout and depression to gain some practical ways to combat both. You will be encouraged to get a adopt a Nevertheless spirit just as Jesus has! Scripture references: Luke 22 and Philippians 1:6. Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode you will learn about optimism, the self-fulfilling prophecy, and the health benefits of thinking positively. You will learn about the correlation between optimism and faith or the lack thereof. Scriptures: Proverbs 23:7, Proverbs 15:4, Proverbs 16:24, Proverbs 18:4, Psalms 139:4, 2 Corinthians 10:4-5, Matthew 6:9 -15, Hebrews 11: 1-3, Colossians 2:17b, and Revelation 5:9. Where to find us: Facebook @Edifying Qweens; Instagram @edifyingqweens; Twitter: Edifying Q; Email: EQlovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode J-Nice shared her experience of a time when she had to stand firm on Gods word despite the naysayers. Scripture reference: John 14: 11-16, Isaiah 9: 6-7. Where to find us: Facebook @EdifyingQweens; Twitter @EdifyingQ; Instagram @edifyingqweens; Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com.

Is Nas Kings Disease 2 better than Kings Disease 1 ? On this segment of New Agenda's " We Outside " Zo Pronto & J NIce sit down and discuss if Nas Kings Disease 2 is better than the first one. They also listen and break down some of their favorite tracks off Kings Disease 2 album. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/new-agenda-lifestyle-webisode/exclusive-content

DJ, Willie P, and Mr. No Cap discuss the status of tricking in 2021 and J-Nice give his unforgettable male waxing experience. That and much more on episode 6 of WBML.

In this episode J-Nice addresses some misconceptions the world has as It relates to manifestation and speaking things into existence! The reality is that God started Affirmations! I challenge you to affirm somethings in your life according to Gods word! Scriptures: Job 28:28, Galatians 5:5, 2 Corinthians 5:17-19, Proverbs 13:12, John 14:1-31 and John 15: 1-11. Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

DJ, Mr. No Cap, and Willie P are joined by guest J-Nice! In this episode the panel unpacks the situation with Kwame after he was called out on "All the Smoke" podcast. Is Kwame exposing the truth behind sports media or is he just another clown causing division?

In this episode POV makes the difference. You will have the opportunity to examine your life to see if you have allowed the enemy to tempt you and if you have fell into his trap unknowingly. J-Nice reveals the gifts of the Holy Spirit and how accepting these gifts will be the best free makeover you ever experience! Find us at the followings; FB: EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode J-Nice gets H.O.T (Humble Open Transparent), sharing recent marital trails and positive Covid results. You will be encouraged to humble yourself and allow God to get the glory, as he should! Scriptures shared are as followed: Psalms 11: 1-9 & 12, Proverbs 16:9, Psalms 24: 1 & 25:8, Matthew 24, Psalms 37:3 & and 107:28. Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

Having a candid conversation with myself lol. Tune in to get a reminder to have an attitude of Gratitude. You can read James 1 and 1 Corinthians 2:14 to get a clear understanding in your own quite time. Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

In this episode we talk about the parable of the 10 virgins and the parable of the Talents in Matthew 25 & how we can learn from their mistakes. We must stay ready so we don't have to get ready! Where to find us: Facebook: @EdifyingQweens Twitter: EdifyingQ Instagram: @edifyingqweens Email: EQLovesJesus@gmail.com

Deep dive into Colossians with me. You will learn how to live and think positive through the obstacles you face. Hopefully you finish this episode with an Attitude of Gratitude for what God has already given you. Remember, everything happens for a reason and you may be in a season of growth! It's either a lesson or a Blessing!

In this episode meet the better half of Purafide, LasButNotLeast, J-Nice and Di-Vayn. Each couple discusses how they met, why they got married and more. Through Jesus Christ we know nothing can fail, and that includes holy union. Tune it to hear different walks of life and marriage all while keeping Jesus at the center of it all!

In this episode Purafide, LasButNotLeast, J-Nice and Di-Vahyn interview each other to share the details about their journey with Jesus Christ. No notes needed! This is an informal conversation with your favorite ladies!

In this episode I pose God/ Jesus versus Satan. I basically explain how our actions determine for us what team we playing for. I give real life examples of how the enemy to use us and an how God wants to use us to be a light instead of falter in the darkness. I share some of the benefits of being a follower of Christ compared to the materialist trivial things Satan has to offer. In efforts to help you see that Gods' team is the best team! Read from the beginning of Proverbs chapter 2 and then Proverbs chapter 28 to get a further explanation of my claims.

The boys are back! J-Nice and Zo pronto return to talk about what's going on in the culture. On Ep 2, the question comes up on who's better, Mary J Blige or Beyonce??(06:22) Also, they touch on Kayne for President, is he real or just capping?(10:45) Business class with Pronto talks about what parents should be doing during Covid (24:39), and Apple stocks recent share splits (34:35). Tune in and enjoy! Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/new-agenda-lifestyle-webisode/donations

In this episode I discuss the two types of Fear. Main idea: God didn't give us a spirit of Fear but of Love, a Sound Mind, and Self-control! “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous? Actually, who are you NOT to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory … that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.” Source: From A Return to Love: Reflections on the Principles of a Course in Miracles, by Marianne Williamson, published by HarperCollins.

KD & Kyrie are known for their lockeroom "comradery" nevertheles, but does anyone really consider KD & Kyrie are both on the same team now?.... Dear NBA I hope you're reading. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/paris-rouse/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/paris-rouse/support

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This message is for those of us with Trust issues. In this episode I explain how and why we can depend on God to keep his promises to us, which are to be with you, to protect you, to be your strength, answer you, provide for you, give you peace, and always love you! Do you believe that God will never leave nor forsake you? I pray this message gives you Godfidence!

What a great sit down with a great group of family and friends J-Nice was the special Guest , bringing with him 2 brothers Lord Aries & King Neptune. Our First pod together was Awesome This one was double that. Sharing laughs , Talks on the Government and our Up brings. Controversies Relationship Plus Much More Thanks For Joining us Enjoy the Pod Follow J-nice @ https://www.instagram.com/jnice.is.urbantalent/ Follow King Neptune @ https://www.instagram.com/kingneptune_nfe/ Follow Lord Aries @ https://www.instagram.com/iamnotanactor4/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl93PWOoF18&t=5334s --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gilberto-serrano2/support

J-Nice follows up on how to embrace Gods will for your life!

Grace is undeserved favor granted to us through Jesus Christ. In this episode I explain why it's important that we do God a favor by extending grace to others who may not deserve it, in order to be in right standing with God to receive our FAVOR! Message: Take what the devil meant to break you, and let it shape you into who God has called you to be!

WERE STILL IN QUARENTINE AND TWUAN STILL HAS THE PODCASTLE OFF LIMITS.THIS WEEK WE GOT DJS B LOVE AND J.TO REPRESENT FOR THE DOVER SCENE AND GIVE US AN ELKS MIX. NOW HERES THE THING ABOUT THE ELKS...1) YES IT WAS A LODGE (THE ELKS LODGE OF DOVER) 2) IT HAD ONE KNOWN WAY IN PLUS THE DANCE FLOOR AREA IN THE BASEMENT WASNT THE BIGGEST. SO SAY YOUR WALKING DOWN THE STEPS TO GO IN A BASEMENT THAT WAS WALL SWEATY PACKED AND SOMEONE POPPED OFF IN FRONT OF THE STEPS...YOUR STUCK 3) HOOD SECURITY...SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN A PISTOL OR BLADE OR 2 IN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME 4) THE PERSON WRITING THIS ONLY WENT TO THE ELKS WHEN THEY SOLD FISH PLATTERS. ENJOY

J-Nice gives the truth about temptation, life and true love in Jesus Christ! Don't fall for the “Okie Doke”!

Short 2-Boi pod comin' at ya on a friday night. J-Nice and Coach Stretch give you a brief KU analysis of the Okie State game and preview the Jayhawks' upcoming game vs. Texas Tech. Then they gush over their Super Bowl-bound Chiefs. Yummy.

Frank and Stevie welcome Chamade back and J Nice pulls up to discuss Trump, and the double standard regarding visualization in relationships. You don't want to miss this episode and you know they have jokes. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/frankstylz/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/frankstylz/support

(00:00:00)- 3 years yesterday since Harambe passed away. Elon Musk celebrates Harambe’s life by making a rap song for him. (00:23:27)- Olympic gold medalist Missy Franklin stops by the show to talk about recovering from setbacks. When Jen finds out that Missy also wears size 12 shoes she makes the whole interview about that. (00:46:51) -Hiphop artist J-Nice is back on the show with powerful words about how to overcome imposter syndrome.

Tracklist Ghostnaut & Raw Collective - A Dream (Feat. Kid Abstrakt & Raw Deezy) Dramatik - Ghetto Génétik (Tome 5) KNLO - Amadit Illa J & Atamone - Showtime De La Soul - Time For The Summer (prod. by Jazzy Jeff & Eric Lau) DANGERDOOM - Guv'nor MidaZ - You Got It Chris Orrick - Out To Sea Masta Ace - Bklyn Masala Camp Lo - Luchini (a.k.a. This Is It) DANGERDOOM - Mad Nice (feat. Black Thought & Vinny Price) Sereni-T - Something About It Oh No - Move (feat. Roc C) Ghostface Killah & Apollo Brown - The Rise Of The Ghostface Killah Common - Pyramids Moka Only - Take a Holiday Q-Tip & Nora Jones - Life Is Better J. Davey & Marco Polo - Relax Glenn Lewis - Superman The Internet - Under Control SWV - Right Here (Human Nature Remix) Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Searching Black Milk - Could It Be Waahli - Love Hurts (feat. Meryem Saci) Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.) [Lou Piensa Remix] Mix de Syde Barrow

Tracklist Ghostnaut & Raw Collective - A Dream (Feat. Kid Abstrakt & Raw Deezy) Dramatik - Ghetto Génétik (Tome 5) KNLO - Amadit Illa J & Atamone - Showtime De La Soul - Time For The Summer (prod. by Jazzy Jeff & Eric Lau) DANGERDOOM - Guv'nor MidaZ - You Got It Chris Orrick - Out To Sea Masta Ace - Bklyn Masala Camp Lo - Luchini (a.k.a. This Is It) DANGERDOOM - Mad Nice (feat. Black Thought & Vinny Price) Sereni-T - Something About It Oh No - Move (feat. Roc C) Ghostface Killah & Apollo Brown - The Rise Of The Ghostface Killah Common - Pyramids Moka Only - Take a Holiday Q-Tip & Nora Jones - Life Is Better J. Davey & Marco Polo - Relax Glenn Lewis - Superman The Internet - Under Control SWV - Right Here (Human Nature Remix) Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Searching Black Milk - Could It Be Waahli - Love Hurts (feat. Meryem Saci) Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.) [Lou Piensa Remix] Mix de Syde Barrow

In this episode, J-Nice reviews the Disney original classic "Luck of the Irish" with noted filmmakers the Burghart Brothers. They synopsize this cultural behemoth with wit and charm and everyone agrees that they navigate sensitive racial topics with grace and dignity. Well done and 5 stars!! A new episode of regularly scheduled Jayhawky Bois fare to be released tonight!

Visit our website: www.thesaltsociety.com J-Nice is out for one night and all hell breaks loose. Maybe 13 is really an unlucky number? No stranger to The S.A.L.T. Society Podcast, Dray South fills in for J-Nice in quite possibly the most entertaining episode of the podcast so far. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-salt-society/support

Visit our website: www.thesaltsociety.com The S.A.L.T Society has finally reached its 10th episode! This week's conversation opens up with a look at the five factors that shape culture. The guys get serious when J-Nice reveals that he came ready with a depressing story. Then of course the age old topic, the white man! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-salt-society/support

J-Nice shows up this week with a chip on his soldier and says he wants all the smoke. Then the conversation gets heated when the topic of building the wall is brought up. Is America a hypocrite for wanting a wall? --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-salt-society/support

The S.A.L.T. Society is back from a brief hiatus and bolder than ever in 2018! (2:50) J-Nice opens up the conversation with an interesting story about the time he once ran from the cops and dodged a felony. (5:00) That brings up the question, is it ever right to snitch? (14:45) FINALLY, J-Nice gives us his Top 5 in Hip-Hop. (21:06)This leads to a dope discussion about the impact of musicians on the culture and our responsibility to be accountable for our words. (52:32) Then we talk about inspiration, happiness, and fulfillment. (1:08:00) And much more... --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-salt-society/support

In the inaugural episode of The Salt Society podcast, J-Nice opens up telling an interesting story involving a Pastor involved in an orgy (1:58). From there a discussion about the small town of Sandbranch leads to great insight on being involved with the change in your community (12:33). Sidenote: It's not a good idea to cuss out little children (26:45). Also, Calvin breaks down the elephant in the room; some of you rappers need to quit! (34:00).Plus, we want to know...what Bible translation do you read? (46:50). And much more... --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-salt-society/support

In this episode, the Jayhawky Bois are separate, yet together. Jeffrey 3-Takes gives his signature takes on the loss to Arizona State from Napa Valley while sharing plastic-vesseled vino with his Bear cub. Meanwhile in KC, Stretch and J-Nice break down the Eastern Michigan game, fans who blame losses on officials, and da Chiefs. Listen up and share down.

In this special episode, J-Nice sits down with the Burghart Brothers, Ben and Jake to review the Kevin Willmott film "Jayhawkers" a film about Wilt Chamberlain's time at KU and its impact on desegregation in Lawrence and the game of basketball. Listen up and bless! Support the Burghart Brothers' upcoming film: "Follow the Leader" at http://www.followtheleaderfeature.com/

Kingdom Experience Founders: Victorious52, DJ D-Lite, and J Nice Interview at KE 2018 SXSW in Austin, TX!Exclusive interview with your hosts Dre Coop!!! and Shemaiah Reedhttps://www.instagram.com/yungovaseer/https://www.instagram.com/shemaiahreed/https://www.instagram.com/victorious52/http://djdlite512.com/https://www.kingdombuildersmusic.comHear this podcast on Googleplay, TuneinRadio, iTunes, Spreaker, Youtube, and iHeartradioPodcast weekly broadcast location:Rockafellas Barber Shop (Owner: Rico Rodriguez)1733 Babcock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229Sponsors:I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by River City Donuts San Ant1723 Babock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Bay Bay McClinton of All Sports Speed and Conditioninghttp://www.allsportsfitness.net/All Sports Speed and Conditioning is the top sports performance training gyms in San Antonio, and has produce many collegiate and professional athletes since opening. All Sports was founded in 1997 by Bremond “Bay Bay” McClinton. All Sports is based out of the beautiful city of San Antonio, TX. Having accomplished his own career in professional sports; starting a company like All Sports was a natural transition for him. Bay Bay is a native of San Antonio, TX. His 100 meter dash in High School at Roosevelt High in San Antonio was not broken until recently. In college Bay Bay played opposite the great future hall of famer, Darrell Green. He went on to sign a professional career with the Houston Oilers, Dallas Cowboys and played 7 years in the European Leagues before returning to his home town to finish his career “San Antonio Texans”. In 2006, his company, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the East vs West Shriners’s college senior bowl. In 2008-09, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the Division II college Senior Cactus Bowl All Star game in Kingsville. Today All Sports Speed and Conditioning continues to train athletes to elevate their athletic performance to the next level in all sports.I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by D.W. Brooks Funeral Home2950 E. Houston St.San Antonio, TX 78202Email: info@dwbrooksfh.comPhone: 210-223-2045Website: dwbrooksfuneralhome.comI Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Overflowcafe.com Does your website need more traffic? Well visit Overflowcafe.com today! They make websites popular and over 41,000 people use their service to gain more customers. They are winning at business. What about you? Visit Overflowcafe.com Shemaiah is a proud supporter of beyondbeanie.comFor every item purchased we help a child in need. Rock a beyond beanie. Change a life.Use Shemaiah's code for a 25% discount = REED25

This is Rill and J Nice Interview at KE 2018 SXSW in Austin, TX!Exclusive interview with your hosts Dre Coop!!! and Shemaiah Reedhttps://www.instagram.com/yungovaseer/https://www.instagram.com/shemaiahreed/This is Rill BioThisIsRill is a Kingdom Builder & a Kingdom Muzic Minister. He is a husband, father, and Christian hip-hop artist from Corpus Christi, TX. Also, currently a member of a "CHH" duo named Five 2 Oh as part of The Five 2 Oh Collective. ThisIsRill has been a part of countless ministerial efforts throughout the south. He has also had the pleasure of completing, 3 mix tapes, 1 collaborative album with Five 2 Oh, 7 music videos, and several radio interviews. He just dropped a EP, The Roaring EP that was released April 28th 2017. ThisIsRill is currently working on collaborative projects with the Kingdom Builders & Five 2 Oh. The journey in 2018 is going to Amazing. Take part of the Ambassador Mission and come along. ThisIsRill.comJ Nice BioJ-Nice is a Christian Hip-hop Artist, Radio Personality, Public speaker, and Corporate Facilitator, who has been in ministry for 11 years. This husband and father is the founder of Kingdom Builder Ministries. J-Nice has released 7 Mixtapes, 4 Music Videos, hundreds of music events, hundreds of radio interviews, and 1 Published Poem, and as of November 2011 his debut album “End of the world Music”. He has shared stages with artist such as James Fortune, Jonathan McReynolds, Lecrae, and more.https://www.kingdombuildersmusic.com/homeHear this podcast on Googleplay, TuneinRadio, iTunes, Spreaker, Youtube, and iHeartradioPodcast weekly broadcast location:Rockafellas Barber Shop (Owner: Rico Rodriguez)1733 Babcock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229Sponsors:I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by River City Donuts San Ant1723 Babock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Bay Bay McClinton of All Sports Speed and Conditioninghttp://www.allsportsfitness.net/All Sports Speed and Conditioning is the top sports performance training gyms in San Antonio, and has produce many collegiate and professional athletes since opening. All Sports was founded in 1997 by Bremond “Bay Bay” McClinton. All Sports is based out of the beautiful city of San Antonio, TX. Having accomplished his own career in professional sports; starting a company like All Sports was a natural transition for him. Bay Bay is a native of San Antonio, TX. His 100 meter dash in High School at Roosevelt High in San Antonio was not broken until recently. In college Bay Bay played opposite the great future hall of famer, Darrell Green. He went on to sign a professional career with the Houston Oilers, Dallas Cowboys and played 7 years in the European Leagues before returning to his home town to finish his career “San Antonio Texans”. In 2006, his company, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the East vs West Shriners’s college senior bowl. In 2008-09, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the Division II college Senior Cactus Bowl All Star game in Kingsville. Today All Sports Speed and Conditioning continues to train athletes to elevate their athletic performance to the next level in all sports.I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by D.W. Brooks Funeral Home2950 E. Houston St.San Antonio, TX 78202Email: info@dwbrooksfh.comPhone: 210-223-2045Website: dwbrooksfuneralhome.comI Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Overflowcafe.com Does your website need more traffic? Well visit Overflowcafe.com today! They make websites popular and over 41,000 people use their service to gain more customers. They are winning at business. What about you? Visit Overflowcafe.com Shemaiah is a proud supporter of beyondbeanie.comFor every item purchased we help a child in need. Rock a beyond beanie. Change a life.Use Shemaiah's code for a 25% discount = REED25

This is Rill and J Nice Interview at KE 2018 SXSW in Austin, TX!Exclusive interview with your hosts Dre Coop!!! and Shemaiah Reedhttps://www.instagram.com/yungovaseer/https://www.instagram.com/shemaiahreed/This is Rill BioThisIsRill is a Kingdom Builder & a Kingdom Muzic Minister. He is a husband, father, and Christian hip-hop artist from Corpus Christi, TX. Also, currently a member of a "CHH" duo named Five 2 Oh as part of The Five 2 Oh Collective. ThisIsRill has been a part of countless ministerial efforts throughout the south. He has also had the pleasure of completing, 3 mix tapes, 1 collaborative album with Five 2 Oh, 7 music videos, and several radio interviews. He just dropped a EP, The Roaring EP that was released April 28th 2017. ThisIsRill is currently working on collaborative projects with the Kingdom Builders & Five 2 Oh. The journey in 2018 is going to Amazing. Take part of the Ambassador Mission and come along. ThisIsRill.comJ Nice BioJ-Nice is a Christian Hip-hop Artist, Radio Personality, Public speaker, and Corporate Facilitator, who has been in ministry for 11 years. This husband and father is the founder of Kingdom Builder Ministries. J-Nice has released 7 Mixtapes, 4 Music Videos, hundreds of music events, hundreds of radio interviews, and 1 Published Poem, and as of November 2011 his debut album “End of the world Music”. He has shared stages with artist such as James Fortune, Jonathan McReynolds, Lecrae, and more.https://www.kingdombuildersmusic.com/homeHear this podcast on Googleplay, TuneinRadio, iTunes, Spreaker, Youtube, and iHeartradioPodcast weekly broadcast location:Rockafellas Barber Shop (Owner: Rico Rodriguez)1733 Babcock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229Sponsors:I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by River City Donuts San Ant1723 Babock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Bay Bay McClinton of All Sports Speed and Conditioninghttp://www.allsportsfitness.net/All Sports Speed and Conditioning is the top sports performance training gyms in San Antonio, and has produce many collegiate and professional athletes since opening. All Sports was founded in 1997 by Bremond “Bay Bay” McClinton. All Sports is based out of the beautiful city of San Antonio, TX. Having accomplished his own career in professional sports; starting a company like All Sports was a natural transition for him. Bay Bay is a native of San Antonio, TX. His 100 meter dash in High School at Roosevelt High in San Antonio was not broken until recently. In college Bay Bay played opposite the great future hall of famer, Darrell Green. He went on to sign a professional career with the Houston Oilers, Dallas Cowboys and played 7 years in the European Leagues before returning to his home town to finish his career “San Antonio Texans”. In 2006, his company, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the East vs West Shriners’s college senior bowl. In 2008-09, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the Division II college Senior Cactus Bowl All Star game in Kingsville. Today All Sports Speed and Conditioning continues to train athletes to elevate their athletic performance to the next level in all sports.I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by D.W. Brooks Funeral Home2950 E. Houston St.San Antonio, TX 78202Email: info@dwbrooksfh.comPhone: 210-223-2045Website: dwbrooksfuneralhome.comI Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Overflowcafe.com Does your website need more traffic? Well visit Overflowcafe.com today! They make websites popular and over 41,000 people use their service to gain more customers. They are winning at business. What about you? Visit Overflowcafe.com Shemaiah is a proud supporter of beyondbeanie.comFor every item purchased we help a child in need. Rock a beyond beanie. Change a life.Use Shemaiah's code for a 25% discount = REED25

Kingdom Experience Founders: Victorious52, DJ D-Lite, and J Nice Interview at KE 2018 SXSW in Austin, TX!Exclusive interview with your hosts Dre Coop!!! and Shemaiah Reedhttps://www.instagram.com/yungovaseer/https://www.instagram.com/shemaiahreed/https://www.instagram.com/victorious52/http://djdlite512.com/https://www.kingdombuildersmusic.comHear this podcast on Googleplay, TuneinRadio, iTunes, Spreaker, Youtube, and iHeartradioPodcast weekly broadcast location:Rockafellas Barber Shop (Owner: Rico Rodriguez)1733 Babcock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229Sponsors:I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by River City Donuts San Ant1723 Babock Rd. San Antonio, TX 78229I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Bay Bay McClinton of All Sports Speed and Conditioninghttp://www.allsportsfitness.net/All Sports Speed and Conditioning is the top sports performance training gyms in San Antonio, and has produce many collegiate and professional athletes since opening. All Sports was founded in 1997 by Bremond “Bay Bay” McClinton. All Sports is based out of the beautiful city of San Antonio, TX. Having accomplished his own career in professional sports; starting a company like All Sports was a natural transition for him. Bay Bay is a native of San Antonio, TX. His 100 meter dash in High School at Roosevelt High in San Antonio was not broken until recently. In college Bay Bay played opposite the great future hall of famer, Darrell Green. He went on to sign a professional career with the Houston Oilers, Dallas Cowboys and played 7 years in the European Leagues before returning to his home town to finish his career “San Antonio Texans”. In 2006, his company, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the East vs West Shriners’s college senior bowl. In 2008-09, All Sports administered the strength and conditioning program for the Division II college Senior Cactus Bowl All Star game in Kingsville. Today All Sports Speed and Conditioning continues to train athletes to elevate their athletic performance to the next level in all sports.I Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by D.W. Brooks Funeral Home2950 E. Houston St.San Antonio, TX 78202Email: info@dwbrooksfh.comPhone: 210-223-2045Website: dwbrooksfuneralhome.comI Am Refocused Podcast Sponsored by Overflowcafe.com Does your website need more traffic? Well visit Overflowcafe.com today! They make websites popular and over 41,000 people use their service to gain more customers. They are winning at business. What about you? Visit Overflowcafe.com Shemaiah is a proud supporter of beyondbeanie.comFor every item purchased we help a child in need. Rock a beyond beanie. Change a life.Use Shemaiah's code for a 25% discount = REED25

On this rapid react, J-Nice apologizes to Jayhawk nation for possibly creating the Mike Boynton curse. We also hear from Friend of the Pod, Ben, the likely reformed, former leader of the #FireBillSelf movement as he gives his take following a tough loss at Gallagher-Iba. DISCLAIMER: I have not pre-screened his take.

New Rapid Reaction Bonus Segment by the Bois in which a different Boi gives his reaction within seconds after a game. Pure, unadulterated, white-hot takes. Enjoy!!!

In this episode, J-Nice goes rogue and gives a voice to the growing #firebillself movement. Go Hawks!!

In this episode, Coach Stretch breaks down the K-State game, agrees with Papabear about the Texas A&M result, and endorses J-Nice's opinions about many topics. The Bois will also get real serious while talking about Missouri and the sad Michigan State situation.

- Jen is excited about the fact that Michael Phelps raced a shark. She points out that there’s no point in having an Olympic swim team if they’re not racing sharks. - Hiphop artist J-Nice is back, and this time he brought his mom! She shares her story of blessing others through her own suffering - and you won’t believe the story about the time she ran into a group of gang members. - Kelly Mantoan shares honesty about the struggles she’s had with Natural Family Planning.

In the latest Amplifier4JC LIVE Chase brings a powerful and energetic show. Hear Chase's J-Nice the Kingdom Builders interview at the beginning of the show. Next, hear a message about what makes a Christian artist a Christian artist in Chase's Chat. All with music by Trevor Lee, Landon Colvig, Young Saint and J-Nice the Kingdom Builder presented throughout the show. This episode of LIVE is for you to enjoy, the music and the message.​Find links, track list and more on episode notes page: http://www.amplifier4jc.com/radio-podcast/live-16Listen to the Amplifier4JC Radio Podcast Anytime Amplifier4JC: http://amplifier4jc.com/radio-podcast/Spreaker: http://bit.ly/A4JCSpreakeriTunes: http://bit.ly/A4JCiTunesGoogle Play: http://bit.ly/A4JCPlay

In the latest Amplifier4JC LIVE Chase brings a powerful and energetic show. Hear Chase's J-Nice the Kingdom Builders interview at the beginning of the show. Next, hear a message about what makes a Christian artist a Christian artist in Chase's Chat. All with music by Trevor Lee, Landon Colvig, Young Saint and J-Nice the Kingdom Builder presented throughout the show. This episode of LIVE is for you to enjoy, the music and the message.​Find links, track list and more on episode notes page: http://www.amplifier4jc.com/radio-podcast/live-16Listen to the Amplifier4JC Radio Podcast Anytime Amplifier4JC: http://amplifier4jc.com/radio-podcast/Spreaker: http://bit.ly/A4JCSpreakeriTunes: http://bit.ly/A4JCiTunesGoogle Play: http://bit.ly/A4JCPlay

The Christian Hip-Hop artist and Kingdom Builders Ministries founder, J-Nice the Kingdom Builder join Chase for an artist interview as They talk about ministry, music and faith. Listen to the Amplifier4JC Radio Podcast Anytime Spreaker: http://bit.ly/A4JCSpreakeriTunes: http://bit.ly/A4JCiTunesGoogle Play: http://bit.ly/A4JCPlay

This week on The Jennifer Fulwiler Show: - Another radio show has been making fun of Jen. She plays clips from their show and has a lot of fun with her response - Christian hiphop artist J-Nice the Kingdom Builder stops by the studio, and he and Jen have an honest, powerful chat that was a big hit with listeners — even those who aren’t hiphop fans! - Jen interviews Rod Dreher about his bestselling, groundbreaking book, The Benedict Option.

The Christian Hip-Hop artist and Kingdom Builders Ministries founder, J-Nice the Kingdom Builder join Chase for an artist interview as They talk about ministry, music and faith. Listen to the Amplifier4JC Radio Podcast Anytime Spreaker: http://bit.ly/A4JCSpreakeriTunes: http://bit.ly/A4JCiTunesGoogle Play: http://bit.ly/A4JCPlay

Brinson reviews #JohnWick2, talks preparing to tour, J-Nice The Kingdom builder stops by to talk SXSW, performing at the superbowl, Touring, HipHop Sundays, and dropping wisdom for Indie artist. Jered Sanders signs with Bizzle's label, Sho Baraka vs Lifeway. This Week playlist 1. J-Nice The Kingdom Builder “ 2. Brinson “Feeling It” Ft N8, Kdrama #CHH #ChristianRap #MusicMarketing #IndieArtist #MusicPromotion