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Speaking expert and coach Bill McGowan offers helpful strategies that make anyone's remarks more engaging, effective and memorable. Then, Murray Carpenter, the author of a new book called "Sweet and Deadly: How Coca-Cola Spreads Disinformation & Makes Us Sick," explores whether Coca-Cola could be one of the reasons Americans are sick and the alleged ways the company tries to cover it up.

From The Bookshelf remembers Loretta Swit with this 2017 interview. Then Murray Carpenter discusses his book, Sweet and Deadly: How Coca-Cola Spreads Disinformation and Makes Us Sick.

Recently I was asked to review a forthcoming book for American Scientist magazine. The book was entitled, Sweet and Deadly: How Coca-Cola Spreads Disinformation and Makes us Sick. I did the review, and now that the book has been published, I'm delighted that its author, Murray Carpenter, has agreed to join us. Mr. Carpenter is a journalist and author whose work has appeared in publications such as the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and has been featured in places like NPR's All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Interview Summary So, let's start with your career overall. Your journalism has covered a wide range of topics. But a major focus has been on what people consume. First, with your book Caffeinated and now with Sweet and Deadly. What brought you to this interest? My interest in caffeine is longstanding. Like many of us, I consume caffeine daily in the form of coffee. And I just felt like with caffeine, many of us don't really discuss the fact that it is a drug, and it is at least a mildly addictive drug. And so, I became fascinated with that enough to write a book. And that really led me directly in an organic fashion to this project. Because when I would discuss caffeine with people, mostly they just kind of wanted the cliff notes. Is my habit healthy? You know, how much caffeine should I take? And, and in short, I would tell them, you know, if you don't suffer from anxiety or insomnia and you're consuming your caffeine in a healthy beverage, well, that's fine. But, what I realized, of course, is that by volume, the caffeinated beverage people consume most of is sodas. And so that led me to thinking more about sodas because I got a lot of questions about the caffeine in sodas. And that led me to realize just the degree to which they are unhealthful. We've all known sodas not to be a health food, but I think that the degree to which they are not healthy surprised me. And that's what led me to this book. Yes, there's some very interesting themes aren't there with addiction and manipulation of ingredients in order to get people hooked on things. So let's talk about Coca-Cola a bit. Your book focuses on Coca-Cola. It's right there in the title. And certainly, they're giants in the beverage field. But are there other reasons that led you to focus on them? Other than that, the fact that they're the biggest? They're the biggest and really almost synonymous with sodas worldwide. I mean, many people don't say ‘I want a pop, I want a soda.' They say, ‘I want a Coke.' I quote a source as saying that. You know, what that means is you want a sugar sweetened beverage. And it's not just that they're the most successful at this game, and the biggest. But as I started doing this research, I realized that they have also been the most aggressive and the most successful at this sort of disinformation that's the focus of the book. At generating these health campaigns, these science disinformation campaigns, we should say. This is not to say Pepsi and Dr. Pepper have not been at this game as well, and often through the American Beverage Association. But it is to say that I think Coca-Cola has been the most sophisticated. The most invested in these campaigns. And I would argue the most successful. And so, I really think it's a league apart and that's why I wanted to focus on Coca-Cola. That makes good sense. So, in reading your book, I was struck by the sheer number of ways Coca-Cola protected their business interest at the expense of public health and also the degree to which it was coordinated and calculated. Let's take several examples of such activities and discuss exactly what the company has done. And I'd love your opinion on this. One thing you noted that Coke acted partly through other organizations, one of which you just mentioned, the American Beverage Association. There were others where there was sort of a false sense of scientific credibility. Can you explain more about what Coke did in this area? Yes, and one of the organizations that I think is perhaps the exemplar of this behavior is the International Life Sciences Institute. It's a very successful, very well-funded group that purports to you know, improve the health of people, worldwide. It was founded by a Coca-Cola staffer and has, you know, essentially carried water for Coke for years through a variety of direct and indirect ways. But so front groups, the successful use of front groups: and this is to say groups that don't immediately appear to be associated, say with Coca-Cola. If you hear the International Life Sciences Institute, no one immediately thinks Coca-Cola, except for people who study this a lot. The International Food Information Council, another very closely related front group. This is one of the ways that Coke has done its work is through the use of front groups. And some of them are sort of these more temporary front groups that they'll establish for specific campaigns. For example, to fight soda taxes in specific areas. And they often have very anodyne names, and names again that don't directly link them to Coca-Cola or a beverage, the beverage industry. And the reason that this is so important and the reason this is so effective is journalists know if they were saying, Coca-Cola says soda isn't bad for you, of course that raises red flags. If they say, the International Life Sciences Institute says it's not bad for you, if they say the International Food Information Council says it's not bad for you. The use of front groups has been one of the very effective and persistent, strategies. It almost sounds like the word deception could be written the charter of these organizations, couldn't it? Because it was really meant to disguise Coca-Cola's role in these things from the very get go. That's right. Yes. And the deception runs very deep. One of the things that I happened onto in the course of reporting this book, Sweet and Deadly, is Coca-Cola two different times, organized three-day seminars on obesity in Colorado. These two attendees appeared to be sponsored by a press organization and the University of Colorado. They were funded and structured entirely at the behest of Coca-Cola. And it wasn't until after people had attended these seminars and reported stories based on the findings that they'd learned there. Much, much later did people find out that yes, actually these were Coca-Cola initiatives. So yes, deception, runs deep and it's a huge part of their public relations strategy. It's like reputation laundering, almost. Well, it is, and, you know, I make frequent analogies to the tobacco industry in the book. And I think one of the things that's important to remember when we're looking at tobacco and when we're looking at Coca-Cola, at the soda industry writ large, is that these are industries that are producing products that science now shows unequivocally are unhelpful. Even at moderate levels of consumption. So, in order for the industry to continue selling this product, to continue leading, they really have to fight back. It's imperative. It's a risk to their business model if they don't do something to fight the emerging health science. And so, yes, it's very important to them. You know, it's easy, I guess, to ascribe this kind of behavior to ill meaning people within these organizations. But it's almost written into the DNA of these organizations. I mean, you said they have to do this. So, it's pretty much be expected, isn't. It is. I think young people when they hear something like this, they often shrug and say capitalism. And, yes, there's something to that. But capitalism thrives also in a regulated environment. I think that's maybe a little bit too simplistic. But the aspect of it that does apply here is that Coca-Cola is in the business of selling sugar water. That's what they're there to do. Granted, they've diversified into other products, but they are in the business of selling sugar water. Anything that threatens that business model is a threat to their bottom line. And so, they are going to fight it tooth and nail. So how did Coca-Cola influence big health organizations like the World Health Organization and any equivalent bodies in the US? Well, so a few different ways. One of the ways that Coca-Cola has really extended its influence is again, through the use of the front groups to carry messages such as, you know, a calorie is a calorie. Calories and calories out. That's, that's one of the strategies. Another is by having allies in high places politically. And sometimes these are political appointees that happen to be associated with Coca-Cola. Other times these are politicians who are getting funding from Coca-Cola. But, yes, they have worked hard. I mean, the WHO is an interesting one because the WHO really has been out a little bit ahead of the more national bodies in terms of wanting soda taxes, et cetera. But there's a subtler way too, I think, that it influences any of these political entities and these science groups, is that Coca-Cola it's such an all-American beverage. I don't think we can overstate this. It's almost more American than apple pie. And I think we still have not sort of made that shift to then seeing it as something that's unhealthful. And I do think that that has, sort of, put the brakes slightly on regulatory actions here in the US. Let's talk about the Global Energy Balance Network, because this was an especially pernicious part of the overall Coca-Cola strategy. Would you tell us about that and how particular scientists, people of note in our field, by the way, were being paid large sums of money and then delivering things that supported industries positions. Yes. This was a Coca-Cola initiative. And we have to be clear on this. This was designed and created at the behest of Coca-Cola staffers. This was an initiative that was really an effort to shift the balance to the calories outside of the equation. So energy balance is one of these, sort of, themes that Coca-Cola and other people have, sort of, made great hay with. And this idea would be just calories and calories out. That's all that matters. If you're just balanced there, everything else is to be okay. We can talk about that later. I think most of your listeners probably understand that, you know, a calorie of Coca-Cola is not nutritionally equivalent to a calorie of kale. But that's what the Global Energy Balance Network was really trying to focus on. And yes, luminaries in the field of obesity science, you know, Stephen Blair at the University of South Carolina, Jim Hill, then at the University of Colorado's Anschutz Center, the Global Energy Balance Network funded their labs with more than a million dollars to specifically focus on this issue of energy balance. Now, what was deceptive here, and I think it's really worth noting, is that Coca-Cola developed this project. But once it developed the project and gave the funding, it did not want to be associated with it. It wasn't the Global Energy Balance Network 'brought to you by Coca-Cola.' It appeared to be a freestanding nonprofit. And it looked like it was going to be a very effective strategy for Coca-Cola, but it didn't turn out that way. So, we'll talk about that in a minute. How much impact did this have? Did it matter that Coke gave money to these several scientists you mentioned? Well, I think yes. I think in the broader scheme of things that every increment of scientific funding towards this side matters. You know, people talk about the science of industrial distraction or industrial selection. And, you know, partly this is this idea that even if you're funding legitimate science, right, but it's focused on this ‘calories outside of the equation,' it's sucking up some of the oxygen in the room. Some of the public conversation is going to be shifted from the harmful effects of a product, say Coca-Cola, to the benefits of exercise. And so, yes, I think all of this kind of funding can make a difference. And it influences public opinion. So how close were the relationships between the Coca-Cola executives and the scientist? I mean, did they just write them a check and say, go do your science and we will let you come up with whatever you will, or were they colluding more than that? And they were colluding much more than that. And I've got a shout out here to the Industry Documents Library at the University of California at San Francisco, which is meticulously archived. A lot of the emails that show all of the interrelationships here. Yes, they were not just chatting cordially - scientists to Coca-Cola Corporation. They were mutually developing strategies. They were often ready at a moment's notice to appear at a press conference on Coca-Cola's behalf. So, yes, it was a very direct, very close relationship that certainly now that we see the conversations, it's unseemly at best. How did this all come to light? Because you said these documents are in this archive at UCSF. How did they come to light in the first place and how did shining light on this, you know, sort of pseudo-organization take place? Well, here we have to credit, New York Times reporter, now at the Washington Post, Anahad O'Connor, who did yeoman's work to investigate the Global Energy Balance Network. And it was his original FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests that got a lot of these emails that are now in the industry document library. He requested these documents and then he built his story in large part off of these documents. And it was a front-page New York Times expose and, Coke had a lot of egg on its face. It's then CEO, even apologized, you know, in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. And you know, the sort of a secondary aspect of this is after this funding was exposed, Coca-Cola was pressured to reveal other health funding that it had been spending money on. And that was, I think over a few years like $133 million. They spread their money around to a lot of different organizations and in some cases the organizations, it was just good will. In other cases, you had organizations that changed their position on key policy initiatives after receiving the funding. But it was a lot of money. So, the Global Energy Balance Network, it is sort of opened a chink in their armor and gave people a view inside the machine. And there's something else that I'd love to mention that I think is really important about the Global Energy Balance Network and about that initiative. As Coca-Cola seems, and this became clear in the reporting of the book over and over again, they seem always to be three moves ahead on the chess board. They're not just putting out a brush fires. They're looking way down the road. How do we head off the challenge that we're facing in public opinion? How do we head off the challenge we're facing in terms of soda science? And in many cases, they've been very, very effective at this. Were Coca-Cola's efforts mainly to influence policies and things in the US or did they have their eyes outside the US as well? I focused the book, the reporting of the book, really on Coca-Cola in the US. And also, and I just want to mention this tangentially, it's also focused not on non-nutritive sweetened beverages, but the sugary beverages. It's pretty tightly focused. But yes, Coca-Cola, through other organizations, particularly the International Life Sciences Institute, has very much tried to influence policy say in China, for example, which is a huge market. So yes, they've exported this very successful PR strategy globally. So, the corporate activities, like the ones you describe in your book, can be pretty clearly damaging to the public's health. What in the heck can be done? I mean, who will the change agents be? And do you think there's any hope of curtailing this kind of dreadful activity? Well, this is something I thought about a lot. One of the themes of the book is that the balance of public opinion has never tipped against Coca-Cola. And we talked about this earlier, that it's still seen as this all American product. And we see with other industries and other products. So, you know, Philip Morris, smoking, Marlboro. Eventually the balance of public opinion tips against them and people accept that they're unhealthful and that they've been misleading the public. The same thing happened for Exxon and climate change, Purdue pharma and Oxycontin. It's a pattern we see over and over again. With Coca-Cola, it hasn't tipped yet. And I think once it does, it will be easier for public health advocates to make their case. In terms of who the change agents might be, here we have a really interesting conversation, right? Because the foremost change agent right now looks like it's RFK Jr. (Robert F. Kennedy), which is pretty remarkable and generates an awful lot of shall we say, cognitive dissonance, right? Because both the spending of SNAP Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program funds for sodas, he's opposed to that. He has just as recently as the week before last called sugar poison. He said sugar is poison. These are the kinds of very direct, very forceful, high level, initiatives that we really haven't seen at a federal level yet. So, it's possible that he will be nudging the balance. And it puts, of course, everybody who's involved, every public health advocate, I think, who is involved with this issue in a slightly uncomfortable or very uncomfortable position. Yes. You know, as I think about the kind of settings where I've worked and this conflict-of-interest problem with scientists taking money and doing things in favor of industry. And I wonder who the change agents are going to be. It's a pretty interesting picture comes with that. Because if you ask scientists whether money taints research, they'll say yes. But if you ask, would it taint your research, they'll say no. Because of course I am so unbiased and I'm so pure that it really wouldn't affect what I do. So, that's how scientists justify it. Some scientists don't take money from industry and there are no problems with conflicts of interest. But the ones who do can pretty easily justify it along with saying things like, well, I can help change the industry from within if I'm in the door, and things like that. The universities can't really police it because universities are getting corporate funding. Maybe not from that particular company, but overall. Their solution to this is the same as the scientific journals, that you just have to disclose. The kind of problem with disclosure as I see it, is that it - sort of editorializing here and you're the guest, so I apologize for intruding on that - but the problem with disclosure is that why do you need to disclose something in the first place because there's something potentially wrong? Well, the solution then isn't disclose it, it's not to do it. And disclosing is like if I come up and kick you in the leg, it's okay if I disclose it? I mean, it's just, there's something sort of perverse about that whole system. Journals there, you know, they want disclosure. The big scientific association, many of them are getting money from industry as well. So, industry has so permeated the system that it's hard to think about who can have any impact. And I think the press, I think it's journalists like you who can make a difference. You know, it wasn't the scientific organizations or anything else that got in the way of the Global Energy Balance Network. It was Anahad O'Connor writing in the New York Times, and all the people who were involved in exposing that. And you with your book. So that's sort of long-winded way of saying thank you. What you've done is really important and there are precious few change agents out there. And so, we have to rely on talented and passionate people like you to get that work done. So, thank you so much for sharing it with us. Let me just end with one final question. Do you see any reason to be optimistic about where this is all going? I do. And I've got to say maybe you're giving scientists a little bit of short shrift here. Because, as the science develops, as it becomes more compelling and a theme of the book is that soda science really, over the past 15, 20 years has become more compelling. More unequivocal. We know the harms and, you know, you can quantify them and identify them more specifically than say, 15 years ago. So, I think that's one thing that can change. And I think slowly you're seeing, greater public awareness. I think the real challenge, in terms of getting the message out about the health risks, is that you really see like a bifurcated consumption of Coca-Cola. There are many people who are not consuming any Coca-Cola. And then you have a lot of people who are consuming, you know, say 20 ounces regularly. So, there is a big question of how you reach this other group of people who are still high consumers of Coca-Cola. And we know and you know this well from your work, that soda labeling is one thing that works and that soda taxes are another. I think those are things to look out for coming down the pike. I mean, obviously other countries are ahead of us in terms of both of these initiatives. One of the things occurred to me as you were speaking earlier, you mentioned that your book was focused on the sugared beverages. Do you think there's a similar story to be told about deception and deceit with respect to the artificial sweeteners? I suspect so, you know. I haven't done the work, but I don't know why there wouldn't be. And I think artificial sweeteners are in the position that sugary beverages were 10 to 15 years ago. There's a lag time in terms of the research. There is increasing research showing the health risks of these beverages. I think people who are public health advocates have been loath to highlight these because they're also a very effective bridge from sugar sweetened beverages to no sugar sweetened beverages. And I think, a lot of people see them as a good strategy. I do think there probably is a story to tell about the risks of non-nutritive sweeteners. So, yes. I can remind our listeners that we've done a series of podcasts, a cluster of them really, on the impact of the artificial sweeteners. And it's pretty scary when you talk to people who really understand how they're metabolized and what effects they have on the brain, the microbiome, and the rest of the body. Bio Murray Carpenter is a journalist and author whose stories have appeared in the New York Times, Wired, National Geographic, NPR, and PRI's The World. He has also written for the Boston Globe, the Christian Science Monitor, and other media outlets. He holds a degree in psychology from the University of Colorado and a Master of Science in environmental studies from the University of Montana, and has worked as a medical lab assistant in Ohio, a cowboy in Colombia, a farmhand in Virginia, and an oil-exploring “juggie” in Wyoming. He lives in Belfast, Maine. He is the author of Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us and Sweet and Deadly: How Coca-Cola Spread

Murray Carpenter argues that the Coca-Cola Company has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure we don't know that Coke is one of the deadliest products in our diet.

A new book by journalist Murray Carpenter examines how Coca-Cola has harmed American's health and used disinformation to mislead consumers

Welcome back for another episode of Nick's Non-fiction with your host Nick Muniz In his quest to understand our unique relationship with caffeine, Murray Carpenter leads us on a romp through history and tours of Colombian coffee fields, Chinese tea lounges, and a factory that pumps out synthetic caffeine for soft drinks. The book is anything but preachy, yet along with acknowledging caffeine's benefits, Carpenter bluntly addresses its dangers, which can include anxiety, panic attacks, disrupted sleep and, if taken in large doses, even death. Caffeinated highlights not just the physiological downsides of caffeine but the problems that regulators face in trying to curb what he calls 'an industry running wild. Subscribe, Share, Mobile links below! My Instagram: www.instagram.com/hairysh1t/?... My Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheNiche

Caffeine is the most important drug that no one is willing to label. Across its forms–whether coffee, tea, coke, or energy drinks–93% of Americans report regular caffeine use. Abdul reflects on caffeine's highs and lows. Then he sits down with Murray Carpenter, journalist and author of “Caffeinated: How our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us.” 

I believe we are in a new civil war now. We have intimidation squads now operating around the country. I explore how these mobs caused a prosecutor in Omaha Nebraska to empanel a grand jury after he had otherwise declined to charge owner of the Omaha bar the hive Jacob Gardner. 126 - We are in a New Civil War - The Jacob Gardner Case 00:00:05 - 00:05:16 And? Welcome, Republic. Uber Podcast Name is Brian Kelly. I will be your host for today's program. Broadcasting from the forest, just outside of the anarchists zone in Seattle Washington. My name is Brian Kelly again this is the republic keeping podcast. Our facebook. Number One, twenty, six. Republic Uber Dot Com website etcetera for the social media connections and more and let's kick this off like every other broadcast in. Thank God for good health and the ability to be here sharing. With you today and. Wondering where that extra sound is coming from and I just figured it out I was like, wow, weird. ECHO in my. Ear. I forgot to turn the volume down on one of my Monitoring Devices, not that you all care but anyway good morning. Welcome and thanks for joining lots to go through today. Today's program. titled. America's new civil war. And at the risk of that being hyperbole, let me talk to you a little bit about why I'm saying this. This has been a conversation I've been having for. Literally, decades I remember. Over twenty years ago. Sitting in a parking, lot of the newspaper I was working out with my friend Julian and we were discussing the political landscape in America, and I told him at that point that I thought that the country was going to break up into four or five countries someday. That was my view then and it's still not very different today. My view was that the west coast would split off and become its own country. That the mid West would separate into at least one country. And, the eastern seaboard would separate into. Two Countries a northeast and southeast country along, and these would be along values in ideological lines was my view and because the reality is that there's nothing about Nebraska. And Kansas and Iowa. That's like Oregon. Or Florida. And it's not just the geography of climate. It's the attitudes and the people and the things that they value. Now people are people but the culture you grow up in determines a lot about what you value in consider. To be important and So I, told Julian years ago that I thought that the country was going to break up into. Three four or five countries and along ideological lines, and we are seeing these ideological divisions happen and IT IS A. To say IT'S A it's a war. That's hyperbole, right? Well, I don't know. You know typically in a war you have. Military engaged on both sides right and sometimes in guerrilla wars, the military aren't official military. There are a paramilitary group right or a loosely organized group and the Sikh Kita station seems to be the. Once these things start to invade your neighborhood. And stop being just police chasing criminals. It's the point to me. It seems that there's a line that's crossed, and so I've collected together quite a few pieces of video and audio from around the country of these intimidation squads at work and this has resulted in. The death of a man named Jake Gardner and we're GONNA go in depth into that one case before the show is over today. So let's jump right in here with some of the first things these intimidation squads are as I say ramping up all over the country and you've seen some of the violence that's happened at the protests including some shootings, right? Well, this is just real quick. This is a man who was beat up a few weeks ago. I think just like August twentieth. So about a month ago, I guess in Portland take a listen and here is the video this man. Hearing. From the truck driver who was brutally beaten over the weekend by demonstrators in Portland. Meanwhile, protesters are renewing their battles with federal agents correspondent. Dan Springer has the latest tonight. Tonight Portland Police are wondering where the next attack will be last night. It was back at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office with of federal officers inside Portland. Police declared a riot after protesters started a fire broke several windows and through softball sized rocks at officers we all should be condemning the violence that's occurring increasingly. There are calls for citizens to rise up and say, no more police chief Chuck Lavelle wrote the solution is in a critical mass of community and partners coming together to denounce this criminal activity and call it out for the first time since his brutal beating over the weekend at heinous speaking out saying he stopped to help a transgender woman who has been. 00:05:17 - 00:10:04 Hearing from the truck driver who was brutally beaten over the weekend by demonstrators in Portland meanwhile, protesters are renewed. On the side of the road and she's trying to figure out what happened to me. Hater says he was called a racist during the attack police are still looking for their main suspect. Marquees love who reportedly posted on social media. Video. Bunny. Sorry about that. But that guy was beat up there in. PORTLAND. Okay. So that's okay. Fine gets beat up at the protest. You know that's not a big surprise. You went down the protest, right? You had it coming. Well, what about the Los Angeles police chief? Did He have it come instructors vandalized the home of LAPD chief Michael. Moore last night tonight. There's new concern that this type of activism is doing more harm than good to the Social Justice Movement and drowning out peaceful protests more now from NBC Forest Kim Bulletin Auto. It's a trend many find disturbing protesters going directly to the homes of public officials. Last night, the black future project vandalize the home of La Police chief Michael Moore and plastered signs laced with obscenities on his garage windows in front door. I'm very concern I know that I participated in a number of protests and demonstrations. During my time they've always been at a public place in front of a public facility earl. Affari Hutchinson is president of the L. E. Urban Policy Roundtable, and says protesting his point there. It's always been in a public place in front of a public forum right and so that that's fine that makes sense. You know the protests should be in know used to be down at the courthouse or whatever. Right? It didn't use to ever be. At anybody's home. So that was the LA police chief. That's a big city, right so you know he's a target that makes sense right? Well, how about we start with new video of the Olympia Mayor's home being vandalized this happened during protests last night watch closely there's this one person who appear to spray painted Blm by the door. They're the mayor sent us this video and it also looks like a sign saying Blm, which is obviously stiffer. Black lives matter throughout these protests was already in her window so she's along. So. That's the Olympia Washington mayor and that's The capital of the state of Washington here, and that's not a big city. It's it's a relatively small city. In fact, it didn't have the capital I don't know what what else it would have their. So, then Tucker Carlson is the course of the Fox host right. This is a report from the Australian TV about what happened to him. Now, this stuff isn't in nine enough the media partisanship with the cancel culture with a liberal lift same intent on silencing. Any opposing views? Well, it's played out in another ugly why in the United States influential conservative commentator Tucker Carlson has gone public now about how the Liberal Lift New York Times newspaper has targeted him. Two years ago left-wing journalists publicized our home address in Washington a group of screaming antiques lunatic showed up while I was at work vandalized are home they threatened my wife she called nine one one while hiding in a closet a few weeks later they showed up again at our house for the next year, they sent letters to our home threatening to kill us try to ignore it. It felt cowardly to sell our home and leave. We raised our kids there in the neighborhood and we loved it. But in the end, that's what we did. We have four children it just wasn't worth it. But the New York Times followed us the paper is assigned to political activists called Murray Carpenter to write a story about where we are. Now they've hired a photographer called tristen spins ski to take pictures their story about where we live is slated to run in the paper. This week editors there know exactly what will happen to my family when it does. Run I call them today and I told them but they didn't care. They hate my politics they want this show off the air. If one of my children gets hurt because of a story they wrote they won't consider it Claro damage. They know it's the whole point of the exercise to inflict pain on our family to terrorize us to control what we say. Because this is one of the big concerns I had in starting the show is what is it going to mean to my family? If I make the wrong person angry. Do I want to be a public person and this is what they're trying to do is to keep people from shutting up. And keep people for speaking out or shut people I remember when I. Was Beginning discussing this. Concept I was talking with my boys who both serve in the military and explaining them. 00:10:05 - 00:15:06 This was a real concern. What if the mob comes to my house and you know attacks my wife and my grandkids are my children or anybody else my neighbors? and My boys said to be dad you know were literally there literally people shooting at us. And you're worried about some criticism in this from guys might come to your house. Well, it's you know yeah, it's not just criticism. It's I'm I'm kind of worried that they might actually hurt somebody because it's what they do. Here is outside of Derek Children's home this morning we're also learning more about the now former officers who were involved in George Floyd's death. We go right to Christiane Cordeiro, she is at the scene a thirty eight in Chicago where she was yesterday morning with what she knows today Christiane. Cool Jason We know that there were for responding officers initially we. Understood that there were at least two of them and we now. Have confirmed the identity of one of those responding officers former Minneapolis police officer, Derek Show van was one of the four who responded Monday night he's represented by Attorney Tom? Kelly Kelly represented Saint Anthony Police. Officer your Janas acquitted in the death of Landau Casteel in it 2017 we also learned. was put on leave at least once before and twenty eleven. He was one of five officers involved in a police shooting and little earth. In that case, we're told officers were responding to a shooting the suspect fled and when he didn't stop, he was shot in the Torso Minneapolis police later said that the officers acted appropriately and courageously very different reactions from NPD Cheese Madeira air when he fired Shelvin and his three colleagues yesterday. I stand before you in the city. Of Minneapolis here to say that our deepest condolences, the vast majority of the men and women who probably put on this uniform each and every day understand the important role in relationship we must have. We must have. With all of our community members and when tragedy strikes, it absolutely strikes to the core and we should all be impacted by this. There was a protest massive want here. Of course, you can hear a couple of people who actually just showed up just to show a little bit more of their support. There was also a smaller protests over in Oakdale at Derek Shaw Wtn's home a we understand that about a few dozen people showed up there. Yesterday protesters said enough is enough that they wanted to their presence known the chief of Oakdale. Police also showed up he said that given the circumstances he understands why people are so. Home protested him there and Then we had a repair Ginsberg died the other day and now people are protesting outside of. Mitch McConnell's house. Vote Him out and vote him out they WANNA get rid of Mitch so we go to now. Protest. Washington DC. Bureau bouncers house. See Mayor. Any murder. Cutting a majority. An During So these demonstrations are now happening outside of people's houses right here is the looking at a live picture right now happening now, protesters refusing to leave the condo complex they believe is the home to mayor Ted Wheeler. giving. Him a list of demands tonight. This is coin six news at ten o'clock. Good evening everyone. I'm Jeff Gianola all this comes after around two hundred people marched through northwest Portland earlier this evening before making their way to that condo complex are Jennifer dowling on the scene right now what is the latest Jennifer? Here behind me, there's a massive dance party going on is alive. Cut Her off right there because this is what happens every time the reporters come on and say it's just a dance party. It's a lively crowd. It's nice to be here. But. What happens every time is that the party is early and the people committed a violence or there later, and the violence happens later and every single time the reporters of all gone home and the violence happens and I saw here in Seattle I mean I've witnessed this with my own eyes. This isn't just some speculation. I'm not some guy in some remote place who hasn't seen it. I've been down at the protests repeatedly Seattle and I've seen it these are organized. Events with people, coordinating them, and so on and so forth now. 00:15:08 - 00:20:06 After the break I've got one more to plan were come into the. Break and then we're gonNA come back and we're explore one man's real story that's ended in tragedy now. After the break. So I wanted to hear from this police captain here I. This is a Richmond Virginia, our police chief I guess in Richmond take a listen to Let's see if I got this cute up right and I don't think I'd do. Go, take a listen to this guy. And again there's a there's one incident I think is particularly pointed that truly illustrates. The The seriousness of the issues that we're facing. The mayor mentioned this last night protesters intentionally set a fire to unoccupied building on broad street. This is not the only occupied building that has been set fire to the last two days. But they prohibited us from getting on seeing. We had to force our way. To make a clear path for the department. Protesters intercepted that fire apparatus several blocks away with vehicles. Department scrambling. To the structure far. Inside that home was a child. Officers were able to. GET COMPOSURE BACK Officers were able to help those people out of the House. We were able to get the Fire Department there safely. Can Barely get through it. But when you take a Legitimate issue. And hijack it. For unknown reasons that is unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to the right police department unacceptable to the city rich. As the mayor said, this isn't Richmond. And it truly is not Richmond. Virginia. Is Not even the mid Atlantic. Intelligence that we're working on presently so that we hope to be able to file charges following up from this, we have people from across the country have traveled. Many states to be here. We know that this is an organized effort. We're committed to try and identify those that are behind it. And we're doing our level best to arrest those that are perpetrating the balance in our community, our city, and our citizens. So. So these guys started fire to building set fire to a building that had people in it. And the adults were able to get out. And a baby was not able to get out. Now I don't know what you call that when they're attacking civilians. For no other reason apparently they lived in the wrong neighborhood. And I I don't know what you call that. So I'm saying, yeah, we're in a civil war because we have what is effectively a traveling funded paramilitary guerilla group the travels around the country and attacks. Anybody who doesn't agree with them who doesn't see it their way now I'm not sure about you but that sounds a lot like a civil war to me. So we get back. We're going to dig into the Jake Gardner case out of Omaha Nebraska in depth and I think you're gonNA find it fascinating and we'll see if you do we'll be right back in a minute and we'll. Explore what's happened there and We'll go from there. Thanks be right back. Welcome back to the Republika podcast broadcasts were we'll call it in. Hell. Thanks for those of you who are joining live on the livestream on facebook on twitter. Youtube appreciate it welcome good morning and There's been this Thing going on all around the country those plan these. Things that people being intimidated right public officials, police, officers, police, chiefs, mayors, etcetera, and you know one of the people that have been intimidated places are prosecutors right? Sometimes the prosecutors get intimidated if they don't act the way that the public wants them to because after all. The. Public has the best view of what's going on. That's why instead of juries now, we're just GONNA go to whatever the crowd thinks. It's ridiculous, right we're not going to do that. But what happens is if the crowd doesn't like the prosecutor's decision, sometimes they show up at the prosecutors house, and so we're going to go through the story now of a man named Jake Gardner. 00:20:07 - 00:25:09 and. This Omaha Nebraska. So this is the first news story. This is the morning after. So let me give you the setup real quick This man Jake Gardner owns a bar. And apparently there were protests there was some damage done. It has bar. As I understand it his father was there and his father and one of the protesters got into a shoving match and I I think maybe his dad's started it not certain how that worked out. But either way this man of Jake Gardner was pulled into it. was armed and a man jumped on him and he shot and fired in what was initially determined to be self. Defense? Here is the first news story from the day after protester is shot and killed in downtown. Omaha last night with the shooter in police custody as the investigation is ongoing senior reporter Jake was a cousy is live with the latest. John More than one hundred people are out here supporting James Skirl Lock. Let me go ahead and step out of the shot. As you can see just eighteen hours ago he was killed less than half a block away where at Thirteenth Harney here. Chance to support him as well as is. Violence especially after so much happened last night right here in the old market. For James Reds? No No justice. No peace. That's legit. Right there. No justice no p fighting back tears diamond Davis fights to keep his name known her friend James Scurr lock the twenty two year old was shot and killed outside the Gatsby bar formerly known as the high that twelve and Harney, last night I everybody to know just keep his name while i. Don't let his name. I said. He pretty cool kid if you get to know. Hundreds of people protesting in the area and many witnessed. The shooting was recorded by several people in videos like this one have been circulating since last night and social media. Police haven't said much as to what happened, but the shooter is not on the streets and charges would have to come from the county attorney the Police Department did detain. Somebody who fired that weapon that individual remains in Omaha police customers jake shooter has not been identified by police but many are talking about who he is is racist. He's a known homophobic. He's a known big at. This is not the first time that's happened. He's been the news several times. And I hope he's held accountable for what he's done. It's not okay. It's not acceptable. I'm not going to speculate as to the the. The content of the character of this individual. I think that will come out and police investigations over time and I think we need to wait for that Davis says screw lock was peacefully protesting like everyone else when he saw a man goes important. Is No peace. No justice, no peace. No justice no peace. Now hear how they set up. He was a white supremacist right that this guy has an. On Thirteenth Street here maybe offer diamond just a few minutes ago and let them know that the alleged shooter is actually in police custody, which was something that they had not known yet, and that he wasn't that person was never actually released. Gardner that they took into custody there now, they were setting up the idea that Jake Gardner is a bad man if you heard that. Because Jake Gardner apparently is a racist they said and so regardless here is the father of. James Spurlock who's the man who was shot by? Gardner good evening John father just wrapped up moments ago. He decided to go ahead and speak out here at the Malcolm X.. Center here in North Omaha. Now, it was a huge turnout, lots of family members and just emotion. That's the easiest way for me to describe it as raw motion is heard tears i. saw tears heard a few laughs. You know remembering him and family members are really hurting right now and wanting you know obviously answers and most of all wanting justice. Now Senator Justin Wayne was here he spoke on behalf of the family said he'd be representing them and they would not take any questions today they asked that. You just provide the family with the space that they need and also with closure for them. So really just lots of people here supporting this family and we'll have more for you coming up at ten o'clock tonight reporting. Against, supporting, the family. You know whatever happened their family didn't do. Whatever they're young man did if you did anything right So of course, there were more protests were visible but remained in the background as dozens of protesters showed up tonight at three different locations including for a protest downtown at the site where two other planned events were called off. 00:25:09 - 00:30:18 That's where three news now reporter Sydney grade joins us live with Lake City. John Good evening. So I'm not in the shot right now because I want you all to take a good look at what is happening right now police officers and protesters from earlier this evening have escorted those protesters rather over to the area near the hive were they've taken that wreath that Lock now, if you can see the woman and the biggest church. Walk down the street There is a large group of protesters. It's not just the two people you see how? They're going to. Protest continue once again in Omaha tonight, this time, not just for James Kerouac book for what's happening in Portland reporter Sydney Gray was at the gathering house more. Hey John did evening well, dozens of protesters gathered in the mid area. They tell me that the fight for justice locally and the country must continue until they begin to see a real change. Now, the group Pro Block as the one who led the event today it started at Turner Boulevard and Form Street organizers. Say they wanted to shine a light on the city's own racial injustices such as the murder of James? Skirl he's the twenty two year old black man no. Is Anybody missing something important here. The entire issue is supposed to be about police brutality, right? Jay Gardner the shooter is a businessman. He owns a bar. And whether or not he's a racist or not I don't know. Any may be. But being racist is reprehensible and disgusting, but I don't think it's illegal. And I don't think it's a capital crime. At least not last I checked it wasn't now the district attorney there of course is the one who determines whether or not charge right the police go ahead and do the investigation and gathered the evidence they bring it over to the DA and the DA decides whether or not to charge. Here is Mr Klein, the district attorney old market intentional report. Tonight County. Attorney explains his answer senior reporter Jake Gorski was there and brings us the latest strike. Would J first off those peaceful protesters here at five o'clock right outside the courthouse have since moved on their outside the courthouse and City Building County Attorney Don Klein says after reviewing all the surveillance video. GonNa, pause him for a second. Did you notice how he said those peaceful protesters they couldn't just say protesters they always have to all the media. It's like an order say the word peaceful because peaceful gives us sympathy L. and witnesses that he heard from including the shooter prosecutors all agreed it was self defense or the father of the victim says doesn't want violence, but he does want something to happen in court. Cell Phone and surveillance video showed the altercation that leads to the death of twenty two year old James Scurr lock late Saturday night. The shooter is identified as Jacob Gardner the owner of the HIVE and gatsby bars. It shows a scuffle with gardeners dad push a protester and his pushed back. Gardner backs up when approached and showed a gun when two people jumped on him, he fired two shots but didn't hit anyone and then skirl jumped on his back. That's been Gardner said he was being choked and shot him once and the clavicle his version is an IP felt that I felt that. Determines that pretty of getting serious bodily injury getting pummeled or choked out with this guy on top of me and I asked the guy to get off me you wouldn't off me Klein says he based decision off the evidence in the case and not on emotions which are still very high screw locks case. So now this Guy Klein goes out and The district attorney either he says, no charges self-defense. What do you think happens next? I don't have video that nobody got it. But the mob shore leasing if anybody got it, I couldn't find it. The mob showed up at Klein's house. No justice. No peace outside the District Attorney's House no justice. No peace. No justice. No peace. So here's a guy who spent his entire life. Prosecuting crime. He knows a crime when he sees it, he knows self defense when he sees it. And he says, we're not going to prosecute this guy because it was self defense. But. Then the mob shows about side is house and here's what happens. Next good evening I'm trying to Brazil wall though Douglas County Attorney Down Klein feels the shooting was justified and self defense he's taking a step let others take a look at the case senior reporter Dick was Kathy joins US live J.. Jetty right now, we have Senator Ernie Chambers addressing a group of citizens rallying outside of the City Hall and courthouse area talking about the importance of voting as well as standing up for their rights and they heard the community they heard the protests Klein says he will ask for a grand jury to review the killing of James. 00:30:18 - 00:35:02 KEROUAC. He will petitioned the District Court to convene a grand jury for a special prosecutor to examine the case late Saturday night James spurlock was shot and killed outside the hive and gatsby bars in the old market. Surveillance video shows the owner of the Bar J. Garner in a confrontation with protesters when he's backing up and flashes a gun. To people jump on him and he fires two shots. Then spurlock gets on his back. And Gardner shoots him killing him Gardner said it was in self defense and Klein agreed. Now, that there will be a grand jury squawks family wants more witnesses and videos to come forward. I certainly believe in transparency and I have no problem with any oversight about decisions that we've made I think the black community for goodness grand jury painful. I understand the pressures on everybody. From the judicial, board to the community, and when we raise our voice about an injustice that we can make a difference I think that was huge for our community to see I think that was huge when I say our community I'm not just talking North Omaha but the entire, Omaha community. To Munich and so they pressured Don Client, and the family says there. Are from justice, but on the right track, grand jury impaneled right. But that grant and in the grand jury jury gets empanelled and in the meantime there is this entire. Public Relations campaign going on. This is part of reason the crowd has outside today is protest the. Douglas County not putting charges on the killer of James Spurlock a twenty, two year old male who was shot at the corner of thirteenth and Harney on Saturday yesterday out of the protest I talked with skirl ox brother and his mother who told me a little bit about the guy they called you. He by Davis, he lived life to the full. Adventurous. Yes, that's the big heart. And use a Momma's boy emotions apparent never wants to feel this is the new reality for those closest James Skirt I've of. All Life. With that, kid his goal to tell you that anybody can tell you that Nicholas Harden was James Girl, ox brother, and so. James Skirt lock apparently was saint, James Saint. James was absolutely the best I guess Saint James. Could. Do. No wrong. But Saint James jumped a man who had just fired his weapon twice. And then the man fired his weapon at James. Sherlock. and. So it James Scarlett may have been. The greatest guy ever and pure is the wind driven snow but at least on this one night. It didn't work out so well. So here's what happens next. Panel the grand jury. Right. In the grand jury becomes a place for the case to be made not that this man. was in fear for his life. But that this man was a racist and therefore anything he did was suspect and because he was a racist, he was going to be indicted and so we don't know what went on in the grand jury jury for sure. But here is the report special prosecutor. Frederic Franklin said tonight it was new evidence that led the grand jury to make its decision to indict Jake Gardner. Most of that evidence he says came from Gardner himself three news. Now, reporter Rudolph Tonight has more on the charges, what they mean and what happens next. When they came from Gardner himself what that means is that that they found things on his facebook page or in his life. That were evidence that he was a racist and so therefore it because of his attitude. He. Doesn't have the right of self defense is what it appears like. On May thirtieth during night violent protesting regarding the death of George Floyd twenty two year old James Skirl was shot and killed by former old market bar owner jake. Gardner shortly after Douglas County Attorney Don Klein determined that Gardner acted in self defense and no charges were filed. Then after pushback from the public, a grand jury was called as well as a special prosecutor to look into the case client himself petition for the grand jury to review his decision, the investigation continued and about sixty people were interviewed by the Omaha. 00:35:02 - 00:40:04 Police Department the jury had the chance to look at new evidence and deliberated last. BA- grand jury at the point in time that they made their decision. It's also slam dunk. Much more information available to them Then what was had at the time that the initial decision was made special prosecutor Frederic Franklin said, most of the new evidence came from Gardner himself through his phone and facebook messages. There was evidence that was gathered and presented to the grand jury about activity. That Jim Gardner was engaged in. Prior to even coming in contact with James Go lock the grand jury routine Heen people indicted Gardner on four charges manslaughter the use of a firearm in the Commission of a felony attempted first degree assault and terroristic threats. Her restrict stem from the verbal exchange between Gardner and Scurr lock that night. Franklin also said the jury spent more time to liberate here's. The prosecutor I think the Monday after. James Locke was was shot and killed the press conference conducted by Don Klein and Brenda Beetle indicated that There wouldn't be charges forthcoming because there was a determination that the action by Jay Gardner was self defense within a few days there became a request for a grand jury to do the investigation. The Omaha Police Department did continue with their investigation. They interviewed approximately sixty people in conjunction with This homicide investigation, they received video clips from members of the public who were down any all market, the grand jury. At, the point in time that they made their decision. It's almost a slam dunk that they had much more information available to them. Than what was had at the time that the initial decision was made and of course, we have more information so because they had sixty days and all this other time. So you're a back in just a minute and we'll show you what happened with Jay Gardner you're not gonNA believe how this turned out Republican for PODCASTS. Again, my name is Brian Kelly enthusiast. Show the way this works listener supported broadcasting, and what that means. There's no big company behind it. It's your meet together. I do the work that you support the show. Simple I asked listeners three things from. People pray for me because I I need wisdom inside any balance and he'd energy and all the things we need to do this well. On top of the fulltime job in fulltime life and. I asked people share the show whatever device you're on right now probably has a share and subscribe button. Make sure you're subscribed in good and hit that share button and share it to. All of your social media, and even if you've done that before, it's good to do it once a week every. 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Gardner shots scurr lock outside his bar as protests were happening nearby early reports of that incident show that bar was being vandalized at the time. A judge issued a warrant for gardeners arrest on Friday. Hillsborough police reported finding Gardner's body near a medical clinic off northeast. Ninth Street this afternoon in his attorney confirmed that Gardner died by suicide. So the District Attorney. Says that Jake Gardner? Acted in self defense. The videotapes submitted to the district attorney caused the district attorney to say. 00:40:05 - 00:45:03 That Jake Gardner. Acted in self defense. Then, the mob shows up and demands a grand jury impaneled. Now, the grand jury gets empanelled, and of course, in the environment where if you don't do it the mob once. They're gonNA come to your house. The grand jury. decided. That, they would charge him. And he decided. That, he couldn't get a trial. Apparently. He didn't WANNA come back and face justice and you know I don't know maybe he's guilty. Maybe. He's guilty maybe the grand jury got it. Right and the prosecutor got it. Wrong to begin with I don't know. I know that the mob drew drove this. Here's Jacob. Gardeners attorneys. Missing Martin. By one. Price. Only a are. had. Terrible. Is. Tolleson. Lavar. Laura. Yeah, and so obviously, it's a terrible tragedy when somebody commits suicide for any reason. And But I think it's especially tragic when they're driven to it. There was the case couple years ago I think of the young woman. Who? Was I. don't remember her name now and I just I wasn't thinking about it. So it's our looked it up but. I think he has probably remember the young woman who is encouraging her boyfriend to take his life. You know just go ahead and commit suicide, and then he did and she ended up prosecuted for it because she incited him to it and I, think that there. I. Don't know if there's anything criminal that's happened here. Maybe the only criminal thing that happened was that Jacob. Gardner. Shot. James spurlock when he shouldn't have maybe the grand jury. Got It. Right I don't know. What I know is that had the vigilante mob not shown up. To Don Klein's house. There wouldn't have been a grand jury. So I, guess if Jacob Gardner was in fact guilty. And we will never know. Because he didn't, there's not going to be a trial right and whatever evidence was given a grand jury to compel them to make the indictment is grand juries are secret and sealed, and so that evidence is not gonna come out now because there won't be a trial, maybe it'll be leaked. But. If in fact. Jacob Gardner was guilty of a crime and should have been punished. Then the actions, the mob. Ended up in a grand jury and an indictment that should have happened. That case the mob was I guess. Righteous in what they accomplished. But I would still say that even if. Even so You. Don't go to somebody's house. You could maybe just protest bigger louder longer at City Hall. There's got to be at some level. And this is part of why I open the show saying it's a civil war. You know there there's the old saying says, all's fair. In love and war. Translation there are no rules. When IT COMES TO CONFLICT The rule is survive. Because the other guy wants to kill you. I hate to be so. Blunt. But the other side in this conflict wants to kill us who are conservatives they want to kill us who are religious people. And they are doing it. And if you stand in the way, they're okay with you as long as you're the kind of religious person that says, I'll go ahead and adapt my religion to you. Know, I had an episode a lot long ago where I Read that right from the DNC platform. Do you know what the DNC? Platform says on religion. It says that we embrace a progressive view of religion. That is not discriminatory toward anyone. 00:45:04 - 00:50:15 Translation. Your views about homosexuality. In your church, they're not going to be allowed anymore. You're old fashioned. Marriage and divorce or not allow that. and. So the idea is that we are literally I don't think it's figurative. We are in a war. And I remember in the. Pamphlet Commonsense. Published way back at the Revolutionary War time by Thomas Paine home not a fan of honest as early but regardless. When That was passed way back then or when that was written way back. Then one of the things Thomas Paine said these are the Times that try men's souls right and he was putting in there put in there something about that if you're not. Willing to step up to the battle that maybe you're not worthy of the prize that will be achieved afterwards. And I would say that to all of you listening and to myself. At this point that it's time to prepare to do battle? And Battle is ideological and battle maybe physical depending on what's happening, and so I'm attempting here with the Republican broadcast to be in the ideological side of the fight. On the idea that if we can win the argument, we don't have to win the armed conflict. And I'm trying to help provide. Ammunition to our side. If you will in the conflict so that it doesn't become an armed conflict anymore than it's already become. But realistically, at this point, we are going to see I'll just give you the future here. So you know what we're GONNA see. There are several events coming up that are going to that are going to be Convulsive. The president is going to appoint. A Supreme Court justice probably. Amy conybeare. The Senate is going to hold hearings. Are Going to have a confirmation hearing and all of that before the election. Those are going to cost protests. The officers in the Jacob Blake? Shooting. will or will not be charged. That'll cost protests doesn't matter that they're charger not. Charged, it won't be enough if they're charged with a maximum crime, the trial won't be over yet. So it doesn't matter they're going to be protests. The Minneapolis officers are going to get their day in court and those. Verdicts are gonNA come out and whether or not that will happen before the election or not doesn't matter when those verdicts come out it doesn't matter what the verdicts are. There will be protests. So, there are already several events queued up. In the calendar of the left to disrupt America. and to try and create less trust. In how things work. So I'm going to grab a real quick break phones are open if you want to call in and if not great, we'll be right back and we'll go from there. So. Will Offer just a minute I'll be right back. Thanks. Welcome Max. Republic. Keeper podcast. Again, my name is Brian Kelly. Thanks for joining and. Sponsoring the show those you do and all that sort of stuff. So. Wrapped up today you know the been going forward as we think about this and think about what is your role In the coming conflict and first of all in the avoidance thereof. Right. And so I would say the the first and foremost. The thing we gotta do is we make sure that we're going to get Donald. Trump. reelected. And I mean that. I know that in the short term. It probably means more violence. In. The short term reelecting Donald Trump probably means more violence. That when he's reelected, the left is GONNA lose their mind even more. The good news is. When he's reelected. He won't have to be concerned about being reelected and what that means is that you're going to see these protests and ANTIFA violent leftist movements. Absolutely crushed. Crushed into oblivion. People. are going to be prosecuted into long-term jail sentences my noses in here. Sorry. Trying to avoid sneezing. One of those things, right So Once. The reelection happens I do think that trump is going to have the freedom to use all of the policing powers that they have. At their disposal to end this and what I'm hoping is that many of these arrests that have been happening in the last couple of months have been pulling some of the ringleaders of these things out of the situation, and hopefully, what that'll mean is that there will be less violence at the night of the election. 00:50:15 - 00:54:44 And we'll find out but I expect that on election night we are GonNa see lots and lots of violence when the trump landslide is announced And again, I, it is going to be a trump landslide and it's very, very easy. To, understand you know if you look at Donald Trump and I know that some of you who don't like Donald Trump thinks that he is the consummate liar. and. Perhaps that's true. But he's genuinely appears to be just having a great time on the campaign trail. and. What that means to me is that. The internals that they have. don't have them concerned. He doesn't look rattled. They don't appear to be behaving in panic mode he's speaking about the future. In a way that sounds like he really does believe he will be there. and. Joe Biden is more tentative in his approach. So on one quick little Vignette with you about. The way these things work the way people. Work Guess. In. and. I have had an opportunity to meet with. A public official locally a couple of. Times. Let's just say this this way I'm careful I don't WANNA reveal it is A local public official, a couple of times this public official has an important objective to accomplish in from a communication standpoint. In terms of getting the word out about certain things and. The audience for this show is not small. It's growing like crazy. The livestream doesn't have a big audience, but the podcast has a large audience in the livestream is only ten days old or two weeks old and it's growing. But. I met with this guy in the reside. Tell the story is the first time I met met with him. I handed him a business card for the podcast and I said you know I know you've really got story that you want told in your frustrated that you're not getting. The coverage. So why don't you come on the show and then you can we can repurpose that audio video into other things to, and you know we'll. We'll do in his yeah. That would that sounds great. Why don't you reach out to my team? and. Okay I'll do that. So I did. No response didn't the answer. So, then I encountered this individual at another event. And reintroduce myself. And he said. Yeah. He I remember. Weren't you going to get a hold of my communications person wherever it wasn't see I did and? I didn't hear back. All. Really. Well. Why don't you? Why don't you go ahead and just reach out to them again And I said, well, how about this? I'm handing you business car. How about you reach out. and. That resulted in. No. Response. And so the reason I tell the story is. This was a person who has a mon- Yana. Somebody else not me. Instead of a a right now, and I'll do it kind of an attitude and I can see the difference in results in people based on leadership style and I'm watching Joe Biden, and he is in the Montana. Not Me Camp. And I'm seeing Donald trump very much in the. Man of action, Champ And those are very different kinds of ways approaching the world and. I'll just leave you those thoughts. Tomorrow. I don't know I. Think we'RE GONNA dig into Seattle Anarchist Zone A. Little Bit. Not sure some of the things going on. So all these welcome to Jimmy topic suggestions. So on on the facebook messenger at the Republican Uber Dot. com or call the phone number eight, six, six, nine, hundred, eighty, three eleven and leave me your show ideas, topic ideas at Cetera. So thanks for your time and attention this morning please. 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More than 80% of the world's population consumes the same psychostimulant every single day. Yet few of us know very much about our favorite daily drug . . .  caffeine. My guest today will shed some light on humanity's love affair with this pick-me-up substance. His name is Murray Carpenter and he's the author of Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us. We begin our discussion exploring what caffeine does to our mind and body, before delving into how caffeine consumption developed in different places all around the world and how the way we get our caffeine fix has evolved over the millennia. Murray and I then discuss the popularity of coffee in America and how our grandparents actually drank way more of it than we do today. Murray explains how caffeinated sodas became a stimulating competitor to coffee in the 19th century and how energy drinks became a huge business in the late 20th. Murray and I then discuss how you're probably ingesting more caffeine than you realize, and what the generally recommended maximum amount to consume per day is. We then get into whether caffeine can enhance athletic performance, and how much you need to take for it to make a difference. We then discuss the overlooked benefits of caffeine, as well as its downsides, and end our conversation with the question of whether caffeine is an addictive substance.  This episode will get you thinking about your morning joe differently. Get the show notes at aom.is/caffeinated.

Author and journalist Murray Carpenter joins with us to speak on the good and bad effects of caffeine consumption. Author, editor, and reporter Kara Arundel explains how two gorillas influenced the National Zoo. Author Elaine Weiss explains the dramatic history of the fight for women's suffrage in the US. Tom Rea of the Wyoming Historical Society speaks on the history of women voting in Wyoming.

Mainers love their coffee—and why not? We have diversity of roasters creating distinctive blends within our state, and many unique coffee houses within which we might enjoy our cup o’joe. Today we speak with Maine author Murray Carpenter about his book “Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts and Hooks Us,”and Bard Coffee manager & long-time barista Brittany Feltovic.  You’ll hear some interesting insights about our favorite bean. https://www.themainemag.com/radio/2015/03/caffeinated-184/

Martha Frankel’s guests this week are Lisa A. Phillips, Danny Gregory, Maer Roshan and Murray Carpenter.

Fellow dads Mike Pesca and Adam Davidson of NPR are saving up to send their kids to college and are taking advantage of so-called 529 plans. Today on The Gist, why they think these plans shouldn’t exist as a public policy. Plus, journalist Murray Carpenter explains our complicated relationship with an acceptable addiction. He’s the author of Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us. For the Spiel, Mike solves the world’s problems. Today’s sponsors: Squarespace. Get a free trial and 10 percent off your first purchase when you visit Squarespace.com and enter offer code GIST. Also, Acura, the presenting sponsor of the 2015 Sundance Film Festival. Check out the all-new Acura TLX at acura.com or test drive one for yourself at your local Acura dealer. Complete Slate’s podcast listener survey! Tell us about yourself and your favorite podcasts so that Slate can serve you better. We’d appreciate two minutes of your time. Go to slate.com/survey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bookrageous Episode 78; Our Favorite Books of 2014 Intro Music; Swagger by Flogging Molly What We're Reading Jenn [1:15] Captain Marvel 1: Higher Further Faster More, Kelly Sue DeConnick, David Lopez (Bitch Planet) [2:00] The Storied Life of AJ Fikry, Gabrielle Zevin [3:20] If You Could Be Mine, Sara Farizan [3:45] Brown Girl Dreaming, Jacqueline Woodson Rebecca [5:00] Tell Me Again How a Crush Should Feel, Sara Farizan [6:20] Hammer Head: The Making of a Carpenter, Nina MacLaughlin (carpentrix), March 16 2015 [8:55] What the World Will Look Like When All the Water Leaves Us, Laura Van Den Berg [9:20] Blindness, Jose Saramago Josh [10:45] Let Me Tell You, Shirley Jackson, July 21 2015 --- Intermission; Intermission by Typhoon --- Our Favorite Books of 2014 [14:45] Josh: Caffeinated, Murray Carpenter [16:25] Rebecca: Land of Love and Drowning, Tiphanie Yanique; Mermaids in Paradise, Lydia Millet [20:10] Ghost Lights, Lydia Millet (mystery book: Oh Pure and Radiant Heart) [21:15] Jenn: Red or Dead, David Peace [23:00] Josh: The Magician's Land, Lev Grossman [26:00] Rebecca: A Few Seconds of Radiant Filmstrip, Kevin Brockmeier [28:10] Jenn: A Girl is a Half-Formed Thing, Eimear McBride [29:30] Josh: Sisters, Raina Telgemeier [31:05] Rebecca: The Republic of Imagination, Azar Nafisi [33:15] Jenn: Citizen: An American Lyric, Claudia Rankine [35:00] Josh: The Lobster Kings, Alexi Zentner [36:55] Rebecca: Everything I Never Told You, Celeste Ng [39:40] Jenn: Poisoned Apples, Christine Heppermann [41:20] Josh: Bad Feminist, Roxane Gay [44:30] Rebecca: An Untamed State, Roxane Gay; Glory O'Brien's History of the Future, A.S. King [46:55] Jenn: Ms. Marvel: No Normal, G. Willow Wilson, Adrian Alphona [46:45] Josh: The Historical Atlas of Maine [49:35] Rebecca: Stone Mattress, Margaret Atwood [51:15] Rebecca: Sleep Donation, Karen Russell [52:25] Josh: Spoiled Brats, Simon Rich; The Noble Hustle, Colson Whitehead [53:05] Jenn's “literary genre” favorites: Southern Reach Trilogy, Jeff VanderMeer; Broken Monsters, Lauren Beukes; Tigerman, Nick Harkaway; Station Eleven, Emily St. John Mandel [54:25] Josh: Euphoria, Lily King --- Outdo; Swagger by Flogging Molly --- Find Us! Bookrageous on Tumblr, Podbean, Twitter, Facebook, Spotify, and leave us voicemail at 347-855-7323. Next book club pick: Citizen: An American Lyric, Claudia Rankine. Use coupon code BOOKRAGEOUS to get 10% off from WORD Bookstores! Find Us Online: Jenn, Josh, Rebecca Order Josh's books! Get Bookrageous schwag at CafePress Note: Our show book links direct you to WORD, an independent bookstore. If you click through and buy the book, we will get a small affiliate payment. We won't be making any money off any book sales -- any payments go into hosting fees for the Bookrageous podcast, or other Bookrageous projects. We promise.

Bookrageous Episode 76; Dream Casting Intro Music; "No Hurry" by The New Twenty Two What We're Reading Rebecca [1:15] Bird Box, Josh Malerman [6:05] Lila, Marilynne Robinson (Gilead) [7:30] Get in Trouble, Kelly Link (February 10 2015) Josh [10:40] The Brewer's Tale, William Bostwick [12:20] Proof, Adam Rogers; Caffeinated, Murray Carpenter [12:35] Powder: The Greatest Ski Runs on the Planet, Patrick Thorne [14:30] The Winter Family, Clifford Jackman (April 14 2015) Jenn [17:15] The Handbook of Porters and Stouts, Josh Christie and Chad Polenz [19:35] Joshua Bernstein [19:45] Stephen Beaumont [20:35] Get a signed copy and personalized recommendations from Brews and Books. [20:45] The Republic of Imagination, Azar Nafisi [22:45] The Monkey-Wrench Gang, Edward Abbey --- Intermission;  "Bonus Room Blitz" from the Donkey Kong Country Soundtrack --- Dream Casting [24:50] Angelmaker, Nick Harkaway; The Last Werewolf, Glen Duncan [25:15] Gone Girl, Gillian Flynn (the movie) [32:00] Filth, Irvine Welsh [37:35] Ali and Jenn's 2012 Angelmaker casting [43:15] If List [45:25] Yes Please, Amy Poehler --- Outro Music; "No Hurry" by The New Twenty Two --- Find Us! Bookrageous on Tumblr, Podbean, Twitter, Facebook, Spotify, and leave us voicemail at 347-855-7323. Next book club pick: What We See When We Read, Peter Mendelsund. Put BOOKRAGEOUS in the comments of your order to get 10% off from WORD Bookstores! Find Us Online: Jenn, Josh, Rebecca Order Josh's books! Get Bookrageous schwag at CafePress Note: Our show book links direct you to WORD, an independent bookstore. If you click through and buy the book, we will get a small affiliate payment. We won't be making any money off any book sales -- any payments go into hosting fees for the Bookrageous podcast, or other Bookrageous projects. We promise.

Murray Carpenter, author of the new book “Caffeinated: How our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us.” His new book reveals the little-known truth about this addictive, largely unregulated drug found in coffee, energy drinks, teas, colas, chocolate, and even pain relievers. We’ll learn about why caffeine has such a powerful effect on everything from boosting our mood to improving our athletic performance as well as how—and why—brands such as Coca-Cola have ducked regulatory efforts for decades. We learn the differences in the various ways caffeine is delivered to the body, how it is quietly used to reinforce our buying patterns, and how it can play a role in promoting surprising health problems like obesity and anxiety. And later in the show we’ll be joined by Dr. Himal Mitra, a psychiatrist who will broaden this discussion to include other kinds of stimulants (including ADHD medication), and the effect they have on the body.

Caffeine and Athletics (starts at 4:35): Chances are you’ve already had a cup of coffee this morning or, if you are like me, it was a cup of tea. Or maybe, if you are truly hedonistic, you started the day with a bar of chocolate. Either way, if any of these options are part of your daily routine you’d be one of the 90 percent of people in this country that regularly consumes caffeine, America’s drug of choice. In this week's show we talk to Murray Carpenter, author of the book Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts and Hooks Us. Although he covers the history and culture of caffeine in his book, he is specifically going to be talking about the science of caffeine and how this powerful drug affects our cognition and physical health. In particular, for all you runners, cyclists and swimmers out there – there maybe a few of you in Boulder - he’s going to discuss how the right dose of caffeine can help an athlete’s performance. Apparently, for you runners who can run a 40-minute 10K without caffeine, ingesting the drug can help knock 72 seconds off your time. That would put you at least 100 places higher in the Bolder Boulder. Hosts: Jane Palmer and Ted Burnham Producers: Jane Palmer and Ted Burnham Engineer: Ted Burnham Additional Contributions: Beth Bennett Executive Producer: Joel Parker Listen to the show:

In this episode, Martin talks to author Murray Carpenter about his new book Caffeinated: How Our daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us. Caffeinated leads us on a fascinating, sometimes disturbing tour of America's favorite drug, with stops at the coffee farms of central Guatemala, a synthetic caffeine factory in China, an energy shot bottler in New Jersey, and beyond. A well-researched look at the additivie that flows under the radar, Carpenter delivers a compelling compendium of facts and figures on this largely unregulated drug. Grab a venti latte, Red Bull and/or Mountain Dew and enjoy!

Bookrageous Episode 69; 2014 Favorites (so far) Intro Music; "Talk Dirty" by Jason Derulo What We're Reading Josh [1:15] The Lobster Kings, Alexi Zentner (May 27 2014) [5:40] The Keillor Reader, Garrison Keillor [6:45] The Magician's Land, Lev Grossman (August 5 2014) Rebecca [6:50] The Magician's Land, Lev Grossman (August 5 2014) [12:20] The Land of Love and Drowning, Tiphanie Yanique (July 10 2014) [14:50] The Duke and I, Julia Quinn Preeti [17:10] If I Stay, Gayle Forman [19:45] All My Friends are Superheroes, Andrew Kaufman [21:30] Coach House Books [22:20] The Serpent of Venice, Christopher Moore [23:00] Lamb, Christopher Moore --- Intermission; "You're the Best Around" by Joe Esposito --- 2014 Favorites (so far) [25:35] Sex Criminals Vol. 1, Matt Fraction, Chip Zdarsky [26:55] The Haunted Bookshop, Christopher Morley [28:45] Parnassus on Wheels, Christopher Morley [29:40] An Untamed State, Roxane Gay [31:55] Red or Dead, David Peace (May 27 2014) [33:50] The Lobster Kings, Alexi Zentner (May 27 2014) [34:25] A Few Seconds of Radiant Filmstrip: A Memoir of Seventh Grade, Kevin Brockmeier [37:00] Ms. Marvel Issue 1, G. Willow Wilson, Adrian Alphona [38:30] Amazing X-Men Issue 5, Jason Aaron, Ed McGuinness [39:30] Earthbound, Ken Baumann [41:15] The Martian, Andy Weir [43:20] Sleep Donation, Karen Russell [44:00] Side Effects May Vary, Julie Murphy [45:45] Caffeinated, Murray Carpenter [48:00] Delancey, Molly Wizenberg [13:55] Grasshopper Jungle, Andrew Smith [52:45] Little Failure, Gary Shteyngart [56:10] Boy Snow Bird, Helen Oyeyemi [57:35] The Empathy Exams, Leslie Jamison [59:00] Salvage, Alexandra Duncan [1:02:15] If This Isn't Nice, What Is?, Kurt Vonnegut, Dan Wakefield --- Outro Music; "Talk Dirty" by Jason Derulo --- Bookrageous on Tumblr, Podbean, Twitter, Facebook, Spotify, and leave us voicemail at 347-855-7323. Come to the BOOKRAGEOUS BASH at BEA on May 28th in New York City Find Us Online: Josh, Preeti, Rebecca Order Josh's book! Maine Beer: Brewing in Vacationland Get Bookrageous schwag at CafePress Note: Our show book links direct you to WORD, an independent bookstore in Brooklyn. If you click through and buy the book, we will get a small affiliate payment. We won't be making any money off any book sales -- any payments go into hosting fees for the Bookrageous podcast, or other Bookrageous projects. We promise.