The SAF Podcast

This week Andre de Fontaine, Sustainable Aviation Buyers Alliance (SABA) joins us on The SAF Podcast. Founded in 2021, SABA has been at the forefront of driving the Book and Claim conversation and allowing corporates to purchase SAF for their operations when they cannot control what fuel they fly on. Andre explains how SABA has grown to include approximately 35 major companies—including BCG, Bank of America, Netflix, and Meta—that share ambitious climate targets and significant aviation footprints. Together, they've facilitated around $200 million worth of SAF certificates representing 50 million gallons of sustainable fuel. The evolution has been dramatic; what began as an almost non-existent market in 2021 now features multiple producers and growing corporate demand. We also discuss one of SABA's latest initiatives, the launch of SAF Connect, a platform designed to streamline the connection between SAF providers and buyers. Lowering the barriers to entry and the ease with which companies can access SAF is critical to accelerating the higher levels of demand. The conversation also looks at whether SAF certificates have the ability to provide the long time certainty required by investors to consider demand signals bankable and make projects worth investing in, how purchasing certificates directly from producers or in partnership with airlines differ.For more information about SABA and how you can get involved, visit flysaba.org.If you enjoy this episode check out our previous discussion with Gediminas Ziemelis, Avia Solutions Group here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17239222-the-saf-podcast-avia-solutions-group-unleasing-baltic-saf-production.mp3?download=true

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we welcome Gediminas Ziemelis, Founder and Chairman of Avia Solutions Group, to discuss the company's move into sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) production through its NorSAF project. As the world's largest wet-leasing provider, Avia Solutions Group operates across six continents and is now leveraging its extensive infrastructure to help decarbonize aviation.Gediminas shares how the company is developing a state-of-the-art SAF and eSAF production facility in Liepāja, Latvia, strategically positioned to serve the Baltic, Nordic, and Central European regions. He reveals how acquiring an existing oil storage terminal has saved years on permitting and construction, while enabling cost-effective scaling of synthetic SAF production using KBR's PureSAF technology—based on captured CO₂ and green hydrogen.Behind this ambitious venture lies a revealing look at how nimble, privately-held companies can move faster in the green transition. Unlike publicly-listed giants retreating from environmental initiatives to focus on core business, Avia Solutions Group can make rapid decisions without justifying every move to shareholders. This agility might be exactly what's needed to accelerate aviation's sustainability journey.Beyond environmental benefits, Ziemelis frames the project as a strategic move toward European energy independence—drawing parallels to how Europe developed sugar beet production in the 18th century to reduce dependency on imported sugar cane. Could synthetic aviation fuel represent the next chapter in Europe's quest for energy sovereignty? Listen now to discover how the future of flight might be taking shape in the Baltic region.Check out our previous discussion with Dani Charles, Veriflux on AI and traceability here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17201492

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we welcome back our first returning guest, Dani Charles, CEO and Co-Founder of Veriflux. Following his deep dive into U.S. policy in his first appearance, Dani returns to unpack the increasingly critical—and complex—world of feedstock traceability in sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) production and how AI can could be the secret to doing it accurately at scale.  Dani explains why relying on spreadsheets are no longer viable at scale and how best-of-breed technology is essential for managing dynamic trade flows, compliance uncertainty, and complex conversions across liquid, solid, and gaseous feedstocks. Does anyone actually know how many bushels make up a bale and how many bales to a ton? AI offers practical solutions that address real industry pain points. Rather than futuristic robots making decisions, think of it as a "co-pilot for compliance" that can extract information from bills of lading in seconds rather than hours, reconcile data across systems, and ultimately compress days of manual work into automated processes that happen seamlessly in the background. For an industry drowning in paperwork and cross-border regulations, this technological evolution couldn't come at a better time.We also explore recent developments in U.S. policy, where proposed extensions to the 45Z tax credit could provide regulatory certainty through 2031 while potentially reshaping feedstock preferences toward crop-based materials. SAF Investor London 2025 is running on the 28th-29th May and is filled with key industry players discussing the critical challenges around scaling SAF investment globally. If this is of interest find out more here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/You can also listen to our previous episode with Kwame Bekoe, AfriSAF where we discuss growing investment in SAF production and feedstock procurement across Africa here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17070781-the-saf-podcast-afrisaf-tapping-into-saf-s-continental-sleeping-giant.mp3?download=true

This week we are joined on The SAF Podcast by Kwame Bekoe, AfriSAF. With over 20 years of aviation experience spanning engineering, sales, and sustainability, Kwame shares his vision for Africa as a major player in the global SAF industry. He discusses how the continent's vast agricultural residue—estimated at over 150 million tons annually—can be leveraged to produce SAF, fostering energy independence and economic growth.We examine AfriSAF's model of integrating smallholder farmers into a data-driven supply chain, using digital platforms and pilot biodigester projects to prove the value of waste-to-energy conversion. Kwame outlines how AfriSAF is targeting scalable SAF production in countries like Ghana, Kenya, Rwanda, Ethiopia and many others. What makes this particularly compelling is how it addresses multiple challenges simultaneously. For African nations struggling with energy security, SAF production offers domestic fuel sources at potentially competitive prices – Kwame suggests Africa could be one of the few places where SAF might achieve cost parity with conventional jet fuel. For rural communities facing limited economic opportunities, these projects create meaningful employment that keeps people connected to their agricultural roots while participating in the green economy. And for a continent with the world's youngest population (averaging just 19 years old) that's projected to reach 2.5 billion people by 2050, developing sustainable industries now creates the foundation for long-term prosperity.The challenges are substantial – from infrastructure limitations to investor risk perception – but the momentum is building. With the African Continental Free Trade Area creating the world's largest open market and continental initiatives promoting easier movement across borders, the conditions for a thriving pan-African SAF industry are emerging. Through strategic partnerships with governments, airlines, and financial institutions, Africa need not just be a consumer of sustainable aviation fuel but could eventually become a significant global producer and exporter.Want to learn more about SAF development in emerging markets? Join us at SAF Investor London on May 28-29th, and you can find out more here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we go behind the curtain of UK sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) policy with former Aviation Minister and former Member of Parliament for the UK Robert Courts. Listeners will gain a rare glimpse into the complexities of government policymaking—from managing cross-departmental collaboration and limited civil service bandwidth to ensuring stakeholder engagement and long-term adaptability.Courts candidly addresses industry concerns about implementation timelines, revealing the unavoidable bandwidth limitations within government and the necessity of thorough consultation. He takes us through the formation of the Jet Zero Council (now Task Force), explaining how it transformed the government-industry relationship from policy being "done to" industry to being developed "with" industry. We also discuss the Green Fuels Green Skies competition which paved the way for the Advanced Fuel Fund which has given grants to numerous leading SAF production technology developers in the UK. This collaborative approach has survived changes in government precisely because sustainable aviation enjoys broad cross-party support.You can also find out about the process of developing policy, exemplified by the development of the Revenue Certainty Mechanism. We look at the pros and cons of this long process and actually discuss why these processes are in place. We finish by looking at the big challenges in developing the infrastructure for domestic SAF production as well as what policy makers wish industry understood more about the policy making process. Make sure you check this episode out to get behind the process of policy development and why policy takes the shape it does. Find out previous episode where we looked at the investment landscape in the UK and where investment is going here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16944093

 In this episode of The SAF Podcast, Oscar sits down with Michelle Carter, Head of Transport at Innovate UK Business Connect, to explore the current state and future trajectory of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) in the UK. With over a decade of experience in SAF, Michelle offers a unique lens into the evolution of the UK's SAF ecosystem—from early-stage innovation to national mandates and public awareness. The conversation delves into the UK's position in the global SAF market, revealing that the country attracts just over 1% of global SAF investment, with a surprising 29% focused on power-to-liquid technology. Even more revealing is that domestic investment remains strikingly low compared to foreign capital pouring in from Europe and the United States. Michelle discusses the critical role of the UK SAF Clearing House in helping innovative technologies navigate regulatory landscapes and the importance of domestic versus imported production.The episode highlights interesting contrasts between UK and international investment patterns, particularly examining Spain's success with operational SAF facilities. Michelle explains how government policies like the SAF mandate and renewable certainty mechanism aim to stimulate growth in domestic production, targeting 2% sustainable jet fuel by 2025 and 10% by 2030.The conversation also covers international comparisons, such as Spain's refinery-led approach, and why the UK still imports most of its SAF. We delve into public perception, noting that 70% of UK adults still don't know what SAF is—highlighting the critical role of airlines, airports, and producers in improving consumer education. The regional variations in understanding—particularly how Wales demonstrated superior knowledge about waste-gas pathways due to local industry initiatives—highlight both the challenges and opportunities in consumer education. As Michelle notes, "If you communicate with the right narrative, people get it and they understand it."Whether you are a UK local or from another geography, understanding the challenges and work being done in the UK, and across the globe is critical to decarbonise aviation globally. You can find both reports referred to in our discussion here: https://iuk-business-connect.org.uk/knowledge-centre/perspectives/?_sft_sector=transportCheck out our previous conversation with Mac Irvine, Jet Zero Australia here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16017375

Connor Madigan, founder of Aether Fuels, joins Oscar on this week's episode of The SAF Podcast.  Madigan shares his journey from founding a successful OLED manufacturing equipment company to pioneering a transformative approach to SAF technology through Aether's Aurora solution. At the heart of our conversation is Aether Fuels'  Aurora technology, developed with GTI Energy, which reimagines the traditional Fischer-Tropsch process for sustainable fuel production. By focusing on the syngas generation and upgrading steps, their system achieves up to 50% capital cost reduction and 20% higher yields than conventional approaches. Conor expertly breaks down how their "tri-conversion" reactor and innovative catalysts simplify production while maximizing carbon utilisation.We also explore the evolving landscape of SAF offtake agreements, where Conor provides valuable insights into the tension between investors requiring long-term contracts and airlines traditionally accustomed to shorter fuel purchasing timeframes. His perspective on how creative deal structures are emerging to balance risk and opportunity illuminates a critical aspect of scaling sustainable fuels.Madigan also provides a nuanced perspective on strategic investor selection, highlighting the importance of partners who bring deep market understanding beyond pure capital. We also look at how this is managed against a backdrop of higher policy uncertainty and how to adapt to work with less policy certainty.If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous discussion with Mukund Karanjikar, CleanJoule: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15427620

 In this episode of The SAF Podcast, host Oscar is joined by Lahiru Ranasinghe, Director of Sustainability at EasyJet, to explore the airline's journey toward net zero. With aviation's decarbonization at the forefront of industry discussions, Lahiru outlines EasyJet's three-pronged strategy—Reduce, Replace, Remove—which balances efficiency improvements, sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) adoption, and long-term hydrogen integration.  Discover how EasyJet is navigating the complex SAF landscape by strategically securing supply agreements across Europe to meet regulatory mandates while exploring voluntary market opportunities. Lahiru provides candid insights into the airline's SAF procurement strategy, highlighting recent partnerships with producers like ENI in Italy and Moeve in Spain. Whilst acknowledging that airlines "can't optimize their way to zero."The conversation tackles the SAF green premium head-on - sustainable aviation fuel costs 2-7 times more than conventional jet fuel, yet EasyJet operates with razor-thin margins of just £6.10 profit per seat. This creates a fundamental tension for an airline committed to democratizing air travel. Their pragmatic solution? Focus first on securing SAF partnerships across Europe to meet regulatory mandates while exploring innovative approaches like corporate SAF certificates that allow business customers to address their Scope 3 emissions.Ranasinghe also gives a candid assessment of the "first-mover disadvantage" in long-term SAF agreements. With future production likely to become more efficient and less expensive, airlines that lock in decade-long contracts today risk putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage tomorrow. This chicken-and-egg problem requires creative solutions like Project SkyPower's proposed market intermediary to bridge the gap between producers' need for certainty and airlines' commercial realities. We also dive into EasyJet's hydrogen ambitions, discussing Airbus' timeline delays, the impact on fleet planning, and how hydrogen-powered aircraft could revolutionize short-haul travel by 2040. Plus, we examine the financial realities of SAF adoption, carbon pricing under EU ETS, and whether passengers are willing to pay a green premium. You might have noticed a trend for Project Skypower over recent episodes and the work they are doing developing EFuel policy infrastructure, which you can find out more here: https://project-skypower.org/If you enjoyed this episode, check out our previous episode with Jonathan Pardoe, Star Alliance here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/13933438

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, Alex Kueper, VP of Renewable Aviation at Neste, the world's leading producer of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF)joins Oscar. As the industry pushes towards net-zero emissions by 2050, Alex provides a deep dive into Neste's expansion, the evolving market landscape, and the key challenges shaping the future of SAF. What began as Finland's post-WWII oil refiner evolved into a renewable energy leader that placed billion-dollar bets on sustainable fuels long before mandates or incentives existed. This wasn't profit-driven speculation – it was purposeful innovation rooted in environmental stewardship. The conversation explores Neste's significant production capacity expansion in Singapore and Rotterdam, and how the company quadrupled its SAF sales between 2023-2024 despite market challenges. Neste's partnerships with major customers such as Air Canada and DHL are another key topic, showcasing the importance of long-term agreements in driving SAF adoption.  He also discusses the growing role of mandates and incentives, including the impact of RefuelEU Aviation, the evolving U.S. tax credit landscape, and how policy support will determine the industry's trajectory.  With governments, airlines, and corporate buyers navigating shifting regulations and cost structures, this episode offers essential insights for industry professionals looking to stay ahead of the SAF transition. If you enjoyed this discussion, check out our previous episode with CR Sincock, Avfuel: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16057604

 In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we dive into the evolving world of biomass-to-liquid fuels as Oscar chats with Anders Edling Hultgren, Founder of Votion Biorefineries. With nearly two decades in biofuels, Anders shares his journey from the Swedish forestry sector to pioneering innovations in bio-oil production.  Hultgren shares his groundbreaking approach to converting diverse biomass feedstocks—from bark and forestry residues to agricultural waste—into high-quality bio-oils suitable for hydroprocessing. The discussion explores critical challenges in sustainable fuel production, including the complex process of metal removal from bio-oils to ensure catalyst longevity in refinery operations. Hultgren reveals his technology's remarkable ability to liquefy nearly 100% of biomass inputs, positioning Votion as a potential game-changer in the renewable fuels landscape.Key insights include the importance of energy independence, the potential for global biomass utilization, and the strategic approach of leveraging existing refinery infrastructure. Hultgren candidly discusses the entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing patience, perseverance, and continuous innovation as fundamental to developing transformative sustainable fuel technologies. This conversation also touches on the Nordic region's leadership in biofuels, the scalability of biomass solutions, and the balancing act between technological innovation and commercial viability. If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous conversation with Wendy Owens, Hexas Biomass: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/14544753

This episode of the SAF Podcast welcomes Julia Reinaud from Breakthrough Energy to discuss how sustainable aviation fuel fits into Europe's renewable energy landscape. Julia shares insights from her extensive background in climate policy and energy innovation, explaining Breakthrough Energy's mission, since its founding in 2015 on the back of the UN Climate Change Conference in Paris, to accelerate the clean energy transition through its network of investment vehicles, policy efforts, and philanthropic initiatives.The conversation explores the critical challenges facing the SAF industry, particularly for e-SAF (synthetic fuels) development in Europe. Julia highlights Project SkyPower, an initiative bringing together over 50 organizations to unlock final investment decisions for commercial-scale e-SAF projects. She discusses the importance of bankable offtake agreements, regulatory certainty, and innovative financial mechanisms to bridge the "green premium" gap.Julia offers valuable perspective on how public-private partnerships can drive progress, citing Breakthrough Energy's collaboration with the European Investment Bank and European Commission. She emphasizes the urgent timeline for meeting 2030 mandates, noting that Europe needs 600 kilotons of e-SAF annually but only has 300 kilotons of capacity on track to be operational by then.This episode provides crucial insights into policy alignment challenges, technology development pathways, and the systemic changes needed to scale sustainable aviation fuels and meet ambitious climate targets in Europe and beyond.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our previous discussion with Matteo Mirolo during his time at Transport and Environment: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/13415579

This week Oscar speaks with Alexei Beltyukov, Universal Fuel Technologies, a former medical doctor turned energy entrepreneur, who is now working on scaling the availability of sustainable aviation fuel.  Unifuel's innovative Flexiforming process allows existing petroleum infrastructure—hydrotreaters and reformers—to be repurposed for SAF production, slashing capital expenditures by up to 75%. This drop-in solution not only reduces costs but also enhances feedstock and product flexibility, ensuring long-term economic viability for refineries transitioning to renewables.  Particularly interesting is their approach to working with traditional HEFA and Fischer-Tropsch processes, offering solutions to convert their by-products into valuable aromatic components for SAF. Uncover the intricacies behind the ASTM certification process for renewable jet fuel and why it's a critical step toward achieving a fully fungible, drop-in SAF. This episode sheds light on how simplifying production processes and understanding blending limits are not just technical hurdles but pivotal opportunities for investors and airlines, potentially reshaping the industry's future.The discussion concludes with insights into regional differences in SAF adoption, and observations on the balance between gradual transition pathways against more aggressive transition strategies. Exploring how these differing strategies prove more effective than immediate wholesale changes in refinery operations, or slow long term development.If you enjoy this discussion, check out our recent episode with Gorka Penalva, Exolum about the requirement to increase the focus on ensuring the supply chain is ready for increased SAF production: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16525321

In the second episode of The SAF Podcast, we delve into the critical yet often overlooked logistics and supply chain challenges facing the sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) industry with Gorka Penalva from Exolum, a leading pipeline and storage infrastructure company. With nearly 90 years of experience in hydrocarbon logistics and over 6,000 kilometers of pipeline across Spain and the UK, Exolum brings unique expertise to the SAF transportation discussion.Gorka highlights the urgent need for investment in import logistics and blending infrastructure, particularly as SAF production projects aren't expected to come online until the 2030s and beyond. He emphasizes the importance of creating efficient import systems to meet mandates in the interim, while making airports more competitive through optimized logistics costs.The conversation explores the environmental benefits of pipeline transport versus road freight, with Gorka revealing that moving product through their pipeline network from Avonmouth to Immingham saves as much CO2 as a flight to New York. We also discuss the technical challenges of SAF blending, including its impact on pipeline infrastructure and engine components, and how Exolum's experience in sophisticated fuel blending positions them to handle these challenges.The episode concludes with insights into regional differences in SAF adoption, the implications of book and claim systems on physical infrastructure development, and the broader challenges of scaling SAF logistics to meet both growing aviation demand and increasing SAF mandates globally.If you enjoyed this catch our previous discussion with CR Sincock, Avfuel discussing business aviation supply logistics and expanding capacity across the US: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16057604

After a potentially too long break to end 2024. The SAF Podcast is back in 2025, a year set to have significant importance for the burgeoning SAF industry.For our first episode Oscar sits down with Philip Fjeld from Refuels. As the UK and EU SAF mandates take effect in 2025, Fjeld shares valuable perspectives from his decade of experience in the biomethane industry and his role at the Renewable Transport Fuel Association (RTFA).  The discussion delves into crucial market dynamics, examining how feedstock competition between SAF and biodiesel production could impact both sectors. Fjeld provides expert analysis on the challenges facing the industry in 2025, including the recovery from recent market disruptions caused by allegedly fraudulent feedstocks from Asia. He offers compelling insights into the differences between biomethane and waste oil feedstock availability. The episode also explores critical policy mechanisms, comparing the established Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO) with the new SAF mandate. Fjeld discusses potential challenges with the HEFA cap implementation from 2027 onwards and draws important lessons from the development fuel mandate experience in road transport. This episode is essential listening for SAF industry professionals seeking to understand the broader implications of transport decarbonization policies and their impact on feedstock markets. A considerable amount of thinking in decarbonisation is siloed and this episode finishes highlighting the importance of  inter-sector collaboration to decarbonize transport. We discuss the intricate balance required between road transport policies and SAF mandates, highlighting the potential competition for vital feedstocks. Fjeld shares his vision for a diversified approach, advocating for aggressive blending mandates in the UK and a holistic view of alternative fuels' roles in maritime transport. You can check out this full discussion on all the usual platforms and on our website: https://www.safinvestor.com/the-saf-podcast/

In our latest episode we chat with Kathy Wight, Vice President for Net Zero Solutions at World Energy, and how they are leading the charge in decarbonizing business travel and freight. Kathy takes us from her roots in the NGO sphere to her pivotal role in driving practical sustainability solutions, sharing insights from her experience with the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) and the innovative strides in sustainable fuels like SAF (Sustainable Aviation Fuel) and renewable diesel. We find out why she transitioned to the business side to actively work on developing practical solutions to decarbonise aviation.We venture into the complex landscape of Sustainable Aviation Fuel certificates, dissecting the intricacies of environmental attribute certificates, and the book and claim system. Kathy helps clarify these often-confusing terms, shedding light on how these mechanisms play a vital role in reducing emissions across industry value chains. We discuss the importance of transparency and the potential for a universal taxonomy to simplify the process for newcomers, ensuring accurate carbon intensity scores and fostering broader engagement in the SAF arena.Additionally, Kathy explains how long-term contracts with corporations act as “market makers” for SAF, signalling durable demand and unlocking capital to scale up production facilities. For industry newcomers and veterans alike, Kathy's insights offer a deep understanding of how SAF certificates and partnerships are accelerating sustainable change in aviation.  She emphasizes the importance of taking action now, rather than waiting for the perfect system to emerge.  Check out our last episode with C.R Sincock, Avfuel, where we look at the development of the SAF supply chain: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16057604

Join us this week on The SAF Podcast, as we dive deep into the logistics and distribution challenges of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) with CR Sincock from Avfuel, one of the largest global aviation fuel suppliers. As a leading distributor of SAF in business aviation, Avfuel offers unique insights into scaling SAF delivery across the United States.In this episode, Sincock discusses Avfuel's strategic partnership with Neste, the world's largest SAF producer, and reveals their exciting new role as a launch customer for Valero Diamond Green in Florida. This expansion marks a significant step in addressing the East Coast's underserved SAF market. He discusses how this collaboration addresses logistical challenges in transporting SAF beyond coastal regions, opening pathways to major hubs and underserved markets. CR provides insights into the challenges of moving physical SAF molecules and the current locations where Avfuel offers SAF. He also touches on the unique case of Truckee Tahoe airport, which operates on 100% SAF, highlighting the importance of local environmental consciousness in driving SAF adoption. The conversation covers crucial topics, such as the company's advanced book-and-claim system, designed to streamline SAF adoption by enabling customers to claim carbon reductions without physical fuel movement. They also discuss Avfuel Zero, a comprehensive sustainability consultancy helping aviation clients navigate offsets, emissions assessments, and compliance without requiring an in-house sustainability team. We explore the vital role of corporate responsibility in driving the adoption of SAF, especially among business and general aviation stakeholders. Discover how larg operators serving corporate clients are leading the charge, motivated by public scrutiny and the need to demonstrate proactive environmental stewardship. For industry professionals interested in SAF distribution, supply chain optimization, and the complexities of SAF blending to meet ASTM specifications, this episode offers essential insights into the current state and future development of SAF infrastructure in North America and beyond.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our other discussion with Mac Irvine from Jet Zero Australia, as we dive into the SAF production landscape down under: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16017375 SAF Investor London - January 2025SAF Investor London will be back in London in January 2025 and will bring leading producers, investors, customers and policy makers together to discuss the major issues around scaling SAF production globally.We would love to see as many of you there as possible and you can find out more information, including book your tickets here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

 In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we dive deep into Australia's emerging sustainable aviation fuel landscape with Mac Irvine, CFO of Jet Zero Australia. With 15 years of banking and finance expertise, including his role at the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC), Irvine offers unique insights into Australia's SAF development landscape.  The discussion explores Jet Zero Australia's two flagship projects: Project Ulysses, an alcohol-to-jet facility in Townsville utilizing LanzaJet technology, and Project Mandala, a HEFA pathway development in partnership with Apeiron Bioenergy.Our conversation moves into the strategic alliances that fuel Jet Zero's mission, including a key partnership with Idemitsu and the pursuit of innovative financial avenues such as SAF certificates for carbon abatement. With $14 million in grant funding already secured, Mac explains how Jet Zero is engaging with entities like the CEFC and the National Reconstruction Fund to explore flexible capital options. Key industry insights include Australia's position as the eighth-largest global jet fuel consumer, with 90% of current fuel being imported. The episode provides valuable insights into the nascent SAF market in Australia, including the current lack of specific SAF policies and the challenges this presents for developers. However, Mac also outlines the positive momentum, such as the federal government's Future Made in Australia program and its potential impact on the industry.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our previous discussion with Sophie Byron, S&P Global Commodity Insights to find out about the complexity and importance of accurate SAF pricing data: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15975107SAF Investor London - January 2025SAF Investor London will be back in London in January 2025 and will bring leading producers, investors, customers and policy makers together to discuss the major issues around scaling SAF production globally. We would love to see as many of you there as possible and you can find out more information, including book your tickets here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

On this week's episode of the SAF Podcast Sophie Byron, Global Head Biofuels Pricing, S&P Global Commodity Insights joins Oscar for a discussion around SAF pricing.Tracking SAF prices is not as simple as traditional jet fuel. In a nascent market with complex supply chain and production pathways, getting accurate pricing data is no easy feat. Sophie explains this complexity and the challenge addressing issues across fluctuating feedstock pricing, production costs and limited transactions on the spot market and how they work around these to assess accurate prices. Another critical issue is how to approach pricing SAF from different pathways and feedstocks, Sophie explains how they are looking to approach pricing from Alcohol-to-Jet and eventually Power-to-Liquid production, in the near term as well as the current HEFA pathway.Pricing is a critical issue to help grow SAF production as it is critical to help attract investment. Investors and lenders need certainty in revenue and, along with offtakes, certainty in SAF prices is critical to de-risk future projects. We also discuss the correlation of emissions reduction and Carbon Intensity scores and pricing as SAF's value can be tied to the emissions reductions. We also look at how factors such as anti dumping duties, tax incentives in the US and the introduction of mandates in 2025 could effect pricing formulations. The discussion concludes with a reflection on transparency and how important access to data is to get the clearest pricing picture possible. Check out this episode if you are interested in how SAF pricing works, the challenges it presents and critically why pricing is such an important component in growing the SAF Industry.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our most recent discussion with Andrew Symes, OXCCU here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15895179

Send us a textIn this episode of the SAF Podcast, Andrew Symes, Founder & CEO, OXCCU joins Oscar to dive into the cutting-edge world of e-fuels. A chemistry graduate turned venture capitalist who transitioned to leading a pioneering carbon capture utilization company, Symes discusses OXCCU's groundbreaking catalyst technology that simplifies the conversion of CO2 and hydrogen directly into hydrocarbons.The conversation explores OXCCU's recent milestone: their OX1 demonstration plant, which marks a crucial step in de-risking their innovative single-step conversion process. Symes details how their technology could significantly reduce the CAPEX and OPEX of e-fuel production, potentially solving the cost barrier that currently limits power-to-liquids scaling.Industry experts will appreciate the technical discussion on reactor specifications, catalyst performance at scale, and the strategic approach to future developments, including the planned OX2 facility. The episode also addresses critical sector challenges, including grid electricity demands, the importance of first-of-a-kind facilities in climate tech, and the role of university research in breakthrough innovations.Symes offers valuable insights on the business model evolution from technology development to licensing, and provides a nuanced perspective on UK and EU SAF mandates. The conversation concludes with a pragmatic discussion on offtake agreements and the critical timeline challenges facing the industry as it approaches the 2030 mandate deadlines.If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous episode with Berta Cabello and Carlos Suarez, Repsol to find out about why Spain is such an important market for SAF production: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15861484

Send us a text The Iberian Peninsula's emergence as a SAF production hub isn't coincidental. The region boasts abundant feedstock availability, strong agricultural and livestock sectors, ample renewable energy resources, and a robust refining and petrochemical industry. This combination of factors, along with existing market demand, has created an ideal environment for renewable fuel production. Berta Cabello and Carlos Suarez join us on the podcast from Repsol this week. These industry leaders provide a deep dive into Repsol's ambitious renewable fuel initiatives, including their refinery in Cartagena and the e-fuel plant planned in Bilbao. This episode offers a glimpse at why Spain and Portugal are becoming powerhouses in the SAF industry, backed by abundant resources and expert industrial capacity. This episode delves into the vital collaboration between producers, airlines, and airports in scaling SAF adoption, while offering insights into overcoming feedstock challenges and maintaining the integrity of renewable fuel supply chains. We also unravel the strategic dynamics of the renewable fuels market, revealing how Spain positions itself uniquely by leveraging less competition and flexible production capabilities. Berta and Carlos highlight the crucial role of institutional support and regulatory frameworks in sustaining global competitiveness. Our discussion underscores the importance of demand-driven projects to meet Repsol's goal of net-zero emissions by 2050, emphasizing the necessity for investment in low-carbon and circular products.The foundation of Repsol's strategy lies in their flexible approach to renewable fuel production. Rather than focusing solely on SAF, they're balancing production across aviation, marine, and road transport sectors. This flexibility aims to allow them to adapt to market demands while maximizing the use of byproducts from the production process.Looking ahead, Repsol appears well-prepared for the initial 2% SAF mandate under RefuelEU. However, they acknowledge the challenges in scaling up to meet the 6% target by 2030, particularly regarding the e-SAF sub-mandate. The company emphasizes the importance of feedstock sustainability and transparency, implementing strict auditing and certification processes to ensure the integrity of their supply chain.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to check out our most recent discussion with Dan Keibrich, Squake via the link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15812552

Send us a textIn this episode of the SAF Podcast, Oscar dives deep into the world of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) and broader decarbonization efforts with Dan Kreibich, co-founder of Squake. Dan shares his journey from Lufthansa Innovation Hub, where he pioneered SAF offerings for passengers, to founding Squake, a platform making SAF and other compensation projects accessible in booking flows.Squake's innovative approach enables airlines, travel companies, and corporations to integrate SAF purchases seamlessly, from ancillaries to bulk orders. Dan discusses partnerships with industry giants like Lufthansa, Airbnb, and CWT, highlighting the growing demand for sustainable travel options.The conversation explores the broader context of transportation decarbonization, comparing SAF to other sustainable fuels in marine and ground transport. Dan provides insights into the economic drivers behind sustainable fuel adoption and the impact of regulations like CSRD and EU ETS.We also delve into Squake's diverse portfolio of decarbonization projects, including CO2 removal and reforestation, and the criteria for selecting these initiatives. Dan emphasizes the importance of coupling decarbonization efforts with financial responsibility and discusses the hierarchy of carbon reduction solutions.The episode concludes with a frank discussion on the challenges facing SAF adoption, including regulatory hurdles and industry uncertainty, while emphasizing SAF's potential as a "silver bullet" for aviation sustainability. If you enjoyed this discussion, check out our last episode with Roberto Gonzalez, EBRD: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15693248

Send us a text In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we sit down with Roberto Gonzalez from the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to explore the complexities of financing Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) projects. Roberto takes us through his personal journey from chemical engineering and oil refining to his pivotal role in the EBRD's energy transition team. We discuss EBRD's ambitious goals of achieving over 50% green investments and ensuring alignment with the Paris Agreement, while also exploring the unique challenges and opportunities in making SAF projects attractive to investors.Roberto offers unique insights into the bankability of SAF across different regions, particularly in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and Northern Africa. We delve into the critical factors that make SAF projects viable, such as feedstock supply, market demand, and technology risks. We also discuss the tools available to help spread the risk in new projects through the financial tools EBRD uses to support these projects, including first-loss guarantees, concessional debt, and technical assistance.Additionally, we discuss the role of mandates, subsidies, and the aviation sector's willingness to adopt greener fuel sources despite higher costs. This episode offers valuable insights into the pivotal role of SAF in decarbonizing aviation and the financial innovations driving its adoption.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure that you check out our previous episode with Binyam Reja, World Bank to hear about the opportunity and challenges of building SAF capacity in emerging markets: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15581228Host: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

In this episode, Oscar had the pleasure of speaking with Binyam Raja, Global Practice Manager for Transport, World Bank.The conversation focused on a crucial aspect of the SAF industry: promoting production in non-OECD countries and expanding the global network of SAF production. Binyam shared valuable insights on the World Bank's efforts to support developing economies in participating in the SAF value chain, highlighting the economic and environmental benefits this could bring.We explored several key topics, including:The World Bank's role in conducting feasibility studies and techno-economic analyses in countries like Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, and Ethiopia.The World Bank's efforts to integrate the climate agenda into developing countries' transport sectorsThe importance of blended finance and risk-sharing mechanisms to attract private investment.Regional approaches to aggregating demand and harmonizing policies.The potential for SAF production to contribute to rural development and sustainable agriculture (including the potential of cacti as a feedstock in the Arid Sahel region) Balancing SAF production with food security concernsPotential for SAF to improve agricultural productivity and contribute to reforestation effortsBinyam also discussed the World Bank's efforts to create partnerships between various stakeholders, including governments, private sector entities, and other multilateral development banks, to accelerate SAF adoption in developing countries. This episode offers a comprehensive look at the global potential for SAF production and the steps being taken to make it a reality in emerging markets. If you are interested in risk mitigation strategies in Non-OECD countries, the importance of demand aggregation and how SAF can be a regenerative source for both the land and emerging economies. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you check out our previous one with Frank Schreurs, GAFT: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15507196

In this episode of the SAF Podcast, Oscar chats with Frank Schreurs, co-founder of GAFT, about the innovative approaches his company is taking to revolutionize sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Joining us from his holiday in Sweden, Frank provides a detailed look into GAFT's mission and the challenges the aviation fuel industry faces.Frank's career spans over two decades in the energy sector, including significant experience in oil trading, M&A, and biodiesel production. This rich background set the stage for his entrepreneurial journey into sustainable fuels. GAFT, originally a CO2 utilization company, evolved into a pioneering firm addressing the critical issue of feedstock shortages for SAF production. Frank explains how GAFT utilizes second-generation sugars, crude glycerin, and advanced electrolysis processes to create local, sustainable feedstocks from CO2 and electricity turning them into valuable lipid feedstocks for HEFA SAF production.Frank explains GAFT's strategy to license their technology to Biofuel producers so they can upscale their crude glycerin bi-product, whilst also pursuing their own first of a kind facility to produce their lipid feedstock.A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the challenges of securing reliable and sustainable feedstock supplies. With Europe importing a majority of its used cooking oil from Asia, Frank highlights the inherent issues of dependence on external sources and potential sustainability fraud. GAFT's innovative technology aims to mitigate these risks by producing feedstocks locally, ensuring a more stable and transparent supply chain and producing feedstock that can be put straight into existing refining infrastructure.Frank also shares insights into the investment landscape, acknowledging the hurdles but expressing optimism due to strategic interest from both financial and technology sectors. They have so far been backed by the EIC and are currently working on the series A which can find the FOAK facility and expand the team.This episode is a must-listen for those concerned about the Used Cooking Oil importation situation and this could provide another solution to scaling the HEFA pathway and de-coupling it from Asian feedstock importation.If you enjoyed this episode, catch our recent discussion with Mukund Karanjikar, CleanJoule: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15427620

On this week's episode Mukund Karanjikar, CEO, CleanJoule joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast to discuss their approach to accessing biomass to create sustainable aviation fuel. Listen in to hear Mukund's thoughts on the debate around the availability of waste biomass as a feedstock to accommodate demand levels and the importance of Carbon Intensity (CI) scores. We also look at the role that government grants have had in helping CleanJoule get to their current stage, since their founding in 2009. Mukund highlights how critical these grants are, highlighting the example of Tesla and other start ups that rely on government funding. We also look at the signals of long term certainty and how the current form of the Inflation Reduction Act could do more in financial support for producers, potentially looking at aligning with oil prices to truly unlock SAF production, rather than the maximum $1.75 currently available. We also discuss how targets like the SAF Grand Challenge and mandates align with financial incentives to to give longer term certainty to investors, and what we can expect to see in 2027 when the current tax incentives expire. We end the discussion by looking at the private consortium that invested in them including three airlines (Frontier, Wizz Air and Volaris) and two decarbonisation investment funds (GenZero and Cleanhill Partners). This is an optimistic tale of airlines engaging in securing their decarbonised future and poses the inevitable question of should/could they be doing more? This is a fantastic discussion, but if you want to hear about another key industry in developing the SAF market, listen to our recent episode with Sven Rieve, Air bp: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15390671Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on the SAF Podcast,  SAF Investor Editor Fayaz Hussain has a conversation with Sven Rieve, Airbp's sustainability advisor. Rieve dives deep into Airbp's strategy for conquering the skies with sustainable aviation fuel (SAF).We explore their current production footprint, the diverse feedstocks used, and the markets they're targeting.The discussion takes off with Airbp's commitment to increasing SAF production capacity in key regions like Europe, the UK, and the US. Rieve sheds light on Airbp's preference for co-processing as a production method and explains why they're keeping a watchful eye on emerging pathways for future investment.The conversation then steers towards regulations. Rieve offers Airbp's perspective on the Renewable Energy Directive and the crucial role of feedstocks within the European regulatory framework. He proposes a compelling solution – a focus on cultivating cover crops – to address Europe's growing need for SAF feedstocks.We wrap up by exploring the contrasting regulatory landscapes across the UK, US, and Europe. Rieve analyzes how these differences will shape the future trajectory of SAF supply and demand, offering valuable insights for industry stakeholders. If you enjoyed this episode, catch our recent discussion with Jonathan Yeo, FlyORO about blending SAF and the supply chain challenges: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15360818Host: Fayaz Hussain, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on The SAF Podcast, Jonathan Yeo, CEO, FlyORO joins Oscar to discuss the operational and supply chain logistic challenges that SAF presents. One of SAF's many benefits is its drop in nature, and ability to work within existing infrastructure. However, currently it still needs to be blended with kerosene. This is not as simple as someone mixing the two together with a large whisk. As Jonathan explains, the precision required to blend SAF and Kerosene to meet certification standards is significant and the requirement to blend according to market demand requires flexibility not currently found in airport infrastructure. Jonathan explains that their Alphalite modular system designed to optimise blend efficiencies, making SAF more accessible for both business and commercial aviation. Almost akin to a Nespresso coffee machine (other brands are available), blending the perfect amount of water and coffee. We also look at how a modular solution can deal with the inevitable ramp up in SAF production to service the expected growth in demand. We then dive into FlyORO's finances and discuss the pre-Series A funding they received earlier this year and plans for further rounds in early 2025. Jonathan also highlights why they are targeting strategic investors and the benefits they bring. The episode ends with their expansion plans in Australia and the US and why they are two markets that are particularly attractive and the role of Book and Claim in helping scale SAF whilst there is a continued paucity of physical molecules. If you enjoyed this episode, check out our most recent episode with Tom Berg, SkyNRG where we discuss their recent SAF Market Outlook report: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15275823Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

Join us in this week's episode of The SAF Podcast as we welcome back SkyNRG as Tom Berg unpacks their latest Market Outlook report.Tom shares the reason why they produce these reports, the meticulous methodology behind their report, which filtered 350 renewable fuel facilities down to 210. We dive into the major themes that appear from the report: Global policy developments and how important it is they develop into regulatory frameworks and the implication on global production opportunities, the competition for feedstock for Used Cooking Oil (UCO) and Renewable Diesel producers and whether delays in expected ramp ups should be concerning.With the report being in it's fourth year, we ask Tom what they are now able to analyse that they were not previously and what can be learnt about market developments by mapping their predictions from previous editions.  We also discuss the regional implications on policy certainty and how trade corridors can be seen to be opening, aligning with policy criteria and feedstock requirements. Tom also tells us what regions he thinks are ones to watch, which region he wants to hear more from.We can't wait to have this conversation next year to discuss the findings and market development in 2025. You should check out the full report here, well worth a read: https://skynrg.com/skynrg-releases-sustainable-aviation-fuel-market-outlook-2024/If you enjoyed this check out our last episode with Dani Charles, Veriflux where we discuss US tax incentives and the requirements of accurate record keeping in biofuels and SAF: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15236511Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week, we sit down with Dani Charles, Veriflux, who talks through his fascinating journey from government tech to co-founding a pioneering company in the renewable feedstock industry. Dani reveals how Veriflux, since its inception in 2020, has grown to support over 350 companies worldwide by revolutionizing the tracking of used cooking oil and other feedstocks. His insights underscore the critical importance of accurate record-keeping for regulatory compliance and market differentiation, especially in distinguishing renewable fuels like Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil (HVO) and Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF).Ever wondered how US environmental policies and incentives come to life? Join us as we unpack the intricate legislative process including the Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Transport, Treasury and Securities and Exchange Comission. Through detailed examples like the renewable fuel standard and the Inflation Reduction Act, we shed light on the complex and often collaborative efforts required to enforce these regulations. We also examine the challenges stakeholders face with incentives such as Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs) and Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) credits, emphasizing the complications that arise from varying guidelines.As eco-fuel production gains momentum, what hurdles do new entrants face? We delve into the implications of the Inflation Reduction Act credits expiring in 2027 and how this impacts the renewable energy industry. We discuss the benefits that incumbents hold over newcomers and the role state-level tax credits play in promoting local production. We also explore the updates to the IRA to include Argonne National Laboratory's GREET model and the transition from 40B to 45Z at the end of the year and what this means in practice. Additionally, we explore the transformative power of digitizing supply chains for sustainability, highlighting the necessity of robust data management to support ESG and net zero goals. Tune in to understand how comprehensive data collection not only substantiates environmental claims but also drives the future of renewable energy and sustainable aviation fuel.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our recent episode with Vianney Vales, Wastefront here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15196527Host & Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor 

What if getting your tyres replaced on your car not only protected you on the road, but also helped save the planet? Currently 50 million end of life tyres are generated annually in the UK and 80% of them are exported to the EU to be burnt. What if a sustainable solution could help dispose of them but also not need for them to be exported overseas.This week Vianney Vales, Wastefront joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast as we uncover the revolutionary process of transforming end-of-life tires into sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Vianney, with his extensive background in the oil and gas, biofuels and project management sectors shares his journey towards innovative biofuels and climate solutions, shedding light on Wastefront's groundbreaking approach. We explore the dual-step process of converting waste tires into pyrolysis oil and then into SAF, delving into the significant environmental benefits and the advancements at their first industrial facility in Sunderland, UK. Embarking on the journey of developing large-scale industrial projects in the UK is no small feat and on that many companies are currently tackling. Vianney provides a comprehensive walkthrough of the essential stages, from securing permits to finalizing supply chains and preparing for construction. Highlighting the project in Sunderland, he discusses first why they chose Sunderland as their first site, the hurdles and triumphs of funding such innovative ventures in Europe compared to the US. The conversation underscores the importance of early-stage funding, revealing the strategic steps that helped Wastefront de-risk and validate their project, and the ongoing capital raise efforts to secure strategic partners for the next construction phase.Investment in pyrolysis projects presents a compelling proposition, offering both immediate profitability and long-term growth potential. Vianney outlines the strategies for attracting investors, balancing risk and reward, and the importance of clear communication. We delve into the challenges of creating scalable and profitable pyrolysis projects, the interplay between government mandates and private sector risk tolerance, and the UK's positive trajectory with its SAF mandate.Vianney also suggests locations they are looking at for their next facilities and we discuss why a well known city called Springfield could be an excellent candidate. If you enjoyed this discussion about finding use from waste, check out our previous episode with James Hygate, Firefly Green Fuels, who is working on making SAF from sewage: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14092944Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor 

This week Maurits van Tol, CEO Catalyst Technologies, Johnson Matthey joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast.Hot on the heels of the announcement that their FT Cans technology, developed with bp. will be used for DG Fuels' $4bn St John's Parish, Louisiana facility. Billed as being the largest Fischer Tropsch facility in the world with a capacity of 300,000 metric tonnes per year. We discuss the development of the CANS technology alongside bp, where it fits in in the process and the challenges of working on a project of this scale. We touch on whether the SAF industry needs more ambitious projects of this size to meet targets or if smaller modular facilities is the way to go for faster project development. Oil and Gas is never far away in a SAF conversation so Maurits shares his thoughts on their ongoing role in growing production and decarbonising quickly. We also discuss the Virgin Atlantic transatlantic 100% SAF flight in November last year and the role Johnson Matthey had in making that happen and the importance of flights like this in bringing the work being done in aviation to decarbonise the industry. We conclude with the far-reaching impact of life cycle assessments on decision-making in this sector, emphasizing that informed choices are imperative for the sustainable growth of the aviation fuel landscape. Join us for this deep exploration into the intersection of technology, sustainability, and the future of aviation fuels. This is a great conversation with a leader in SAF technology development and licensing, so don't miss out on Maurits excellent insight. If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous episode with Jose Fernandes, Honeywell that focuses on the Latin American market from another leader in the licensing space: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15072192Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week The SAF Podcast ventures to the land of salsa dancing, ethanol production, rainforests and the Andes as Oscar is delighted to be joined to Jose Fernandes, President - Latin America, Honeywell. Jose explains to us the different verticals Honeywell operates in, especially Honeywell UOP and their SAF technology licensing business, and how they are working to their target of reaching net zero operations by 2035. We discuss the projects they are currently involved in in the Latin America region alongside biofuel producer and Oil and Gas giant, Petrobras. We also dive into what makes Latin America such a great place to produce SAF, with a rich agricultural landscape generating an abundance of potential feedstock and already mature HVO and Ethanol markets to use as a platform. With strong ties to the US and other international investment markets, Jose is confident that alongside the available domestic investment and incoming policy certainty that is currently being finalised, the financial and policy landscape are fast making Latin America an attractive proposition for SAF production. We also touch on the role of Oil and Gas and the critical relationship between licensors and Oil & Gas to drive global production. We also discuss Honeywell's recently announced Unicracking technology working with Biomass and how they can claim for it to have a 3-5% higher yield whilst also reducing costs. This is a great insight into a world leading SAF technology licensor who are at the heart of global production with 50 licenses sold and an expert insight into why Latin America could become the soul of the industry,  If you like this episode do check out our previous discussion with Oskar Meijerink, SkyNRG here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14996727-the-saf-podcast-skynrg-s-journey-from-procurement-to-production.mp3?download=trueHost and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

On this week's episode you get not one, but two Oscars as Oskar Meijerink, SkyNRG  to discuss the transition from procurement to production with Oscar on The SAF Podcast. Oskar has been with SkyNRG since he left university where he wrote a dissertation on project finance for Sustainable Aviation Fuels. He has since been working on the project side, being kept busy with a HEFA project being developed in Delfzijl, Biomass Fischer-Tropsch facility in the Pacific northwest and their eSAF facility under development in Amsterdam. Oskar shares the progress of each location, why they are working across pathways, the process of choosing where to place SAF refineries and what feedstocks to use. All of these decisions are critical if projects are to get to Final Investment Decision. This is something we explore in detail as we explore the challenges of finding investment and what building blocks need to be put in place to best position projects to receive favourable investment decisions. We also touch on the recent Topco investment by Macquarie Asset Management and how encouraging this is for inevestor sentiment on the companies overall strategy.We end the episode by reflecting on the demand side of the market and how SkyNRG's history in this with their Fly on SAF solution and how critical a component understanding of market demand is when considering SAF production.  Having already helped over 40 airlines reach sustainability goals, as well as corporate customers, travel companies and airline customers decarbonise their air travel, Oskar highlights why the understanding of the demand environment drove them towards getting involved on the supply side. This is a fantastic episode that gets into the real detail of building SAF projects and the opportunities and challenges that they present. If you liked this episode, listen to our recent podcast with Mihir Dange, XCF Global Capital and Wray Thorn, Focus Impact Partners, to find out what the investor and producer dynamic is like in the everyday https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14904940Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week Mihir Dange from XCF Global Capital and Wray Thorn from Focus Impact Partners join Oscar on The SAF Podcast to discuss their recent merger and expecting public offering later this year.  Mihir's storied past, shaping programmes for yellow taxi medallion drivers to his latest venture into sustainable aviation fuel with XCF, intersects with Wray's fervent support for socially progressive companies through Focus Impact Partners. The discussion meanders from how Mihir and Wray first connected to what their daily working relationship look like now as they work towards listing later in the year. We also delve into XCF's business model and how they can be so confident of their aggressive growth plan with their modular approach and four facilities being developed. We look at the importance of long term supply certainty and the other factors that are critical for receiving investment. Make sure you stay tuned to the end to find out what advice they would both give to investors looking to invest in the SAF industry and producers looking for investment.This is a fantastic opportunity to hear from both a producer and an investor about the fulcra on which production and investment decisions hinge. If you enjoyed this episode, check out our recent discussion with the Renewable Transport Fuel Association looking at the policy landscape in the UK and the role Revenue Certainty Mechanisms have to play: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14826429-the-saf-podcast-supporting-production-through-revenue-certainty-mechanisms.mp3?download=true Host & Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on The SAF Podcast, Gaynor Hartnell and Tom Reid from the Renewable Transport Fuel Association (RTFA) discuss the UK Sustainable Aviation Fuel policy landscape with Oscar Henderson. They bring to the table a wealth of knowledge, leading us through the intricate world of renewable fuel revenue certainty mechanisms. With imminent announcement on the UK Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) mandate, these two experts dissect how these policies are critical to fuel supply and market dynamics.We dive into how revenue certainty mechanisms work, the importance of providing stability without infringing on natural market dynamics and how Contracts for Difference (CFDs) in the renewable energy markets have set the platform for long standing certainty and longevity when CFDs are enacted in the Sustainable Aviation Fuel sector.As the industry stands on the precipice of significant government decisions, our guests unravel the complexities of the SAF market, examining the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead. They break down the urgency of transitional support, emphasizing the need for adaptable and forward-thinking policies.This is a fascinating conversation with two long standing industry experts, so if you enjoyed this conversation. We are going to be having Gaynor and Tom back on the Podcast when the UK government have have made their policy announcement, breaking down all the details and getting some great insight how domestic SAF production can be accelerated. So make sure you keep and eye out for the follow up episode coming soon.If you like this episode, you should try our discussion with Natasha Mann, Future Energy Global here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14508344Host & Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

On this week's episode of The SAF Podcast, we are going to share a full discussion that occurred at SAF Investor London looking into "Finding Project Finance". Al Whyte, moderated a panel including; Wray Thorn, Focus Impact Partners, Andrew Eckhardt, Cranmore Partners, James Falzon, European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, Martin Forman, Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation and Kevin Bogenreif, Summit Next Gen, all share their thoughts on the challenges of financing Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) projects. Our experts delve into the critical aspects of price discovery, feedstock costs, and the necessity for robust commercial structures. With technology as a cornerstone in SAF production and regulatory frameworks steering the market, we highlight how these factors shape investor interest and confidence in green initiatives.Finally, we explore the landscape of financing emerging technologies and the strategies to navigate this terrain. From small commercial plants acting as stepping stones to full-scale ventures, we examine how credit officers gain confidence in new tech and the critical role of government support programs. Our panel reflects on the exciting opportunities and potential roadblocks, emphasizing that well-structured projects with predictable revenue streams are the keys to unlocking funding and driving sustainable projects to fruition. Hope for all those not able to come to London you enjoy this fantastic discussion. Moderator: Alasdair Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on The SAF Podcast, Oscar is delighted to be joined by Oliver Booth from Sightline Climate. The conversation reveals the layers of complexity in defining climate tech and exploring the nature of the climate capital stack, and how it relates to Sustainable Aviation Fuel. The episode begins with Oliver giving a great summary of the findings of their 2023 end of year report for private investments and what this means for SAF producers trying to find investment. As the discussion continues , we draw critical connections between the past clean tech boom and today's investor discernment, which now favours high-impact and sensibly-valued companies. Plus, Oliver spotlights the unique strategies and partnerships crucial to scaling renewable hydrogen production—a key component in the quest for eco-friendly skies.Our discussion takes a global turn as we evaluate energy market trends from Asia's HEFA advancements to Africa's potential for technological leaps, similar to its rapid adoption of mobile technology. Oliver's expertise provides a hopeful outlook for the resilience of private investments in green tech, despite market unpredictability. By the end of our conversation, it's clear: the fusion of financial acumen and environmental responsibility is the roadmap for fuelling a sustainable future in the skies and beyond. You can find the Sightline Climate End of Year report here: https://www.ctvc.co/32bn-and-30-drop-as-market-hits-pause-in-2023/If you enjoyed this discussion, check out our previous episode with Jim Lockheed, JetBlue Ventures here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14019163Host: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor 

In this episode the SAF Investor team of Alasdair Whyte, Fayaz Hussain and Oscar Henderson give you a quick round up and review of last week's first SAF Investor London conference. A diverse gathering of producers, investors, customers and many other companies integral to the industry's development gathered to discuss the major issues the industry faces in scaling production. We discuss our highlight moments from the conference, key takeaways that we have, our favourite discussions as well as what surprised us. This is a great snapshot of what happened over the two days as the industry continues to strive to activate capital to scale production. We also go over the first SAF Investor Awards, which were given to companies making ground breaking and industry leading investments and deals pushing SAF development on.You can find the session videos from the conference on our website. https://www.safinvestor.com/144526/saf-investor-london-2024-presentations/It is safe to say SAF Investor London will be back next year...maybe sooner than that, so watch this space.If you would like to feature on an upcoming episode of the podcast, we would love to hear from you, reach out to oscar@corporatejetinvestor.comHosts: Alasdair Whyte, Fayaz Hussain and Oscar Henderson, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This episode Oscar sits down with Wendy Owens of Hexas Biomass. Wendy, a trailblazer with a captivating career journey, unveils the potential of Xanograss and the Xanofiber it creates which can be used for sustainable construction and as a biofuel feedstock. Her insights offer a flight path into how non-food, second-generation bioenergy crops could revolutionise the SAF supply chain and fulfill the soaring global energy demands.Wendy articulates the significance of maximising every part of the Xanograss to enhance cost efficiency in SAF production, exploring Wendy's mantra of 'using the whole buffalo' in biomass optimisation. Our conversation navigates through the strategic partnerships Hexas is cultivating with growers, ensuring their profitability and the sustainability of local economies. We spotlight the local nature of biomass production, ensuring that the Xanograss doesn't roam far from home—preferably within 60 miles of its utilisation, encompassing partnerships spanning the U.S. and Europe.We then address the rewilded lands and the burgeoning bioeconomy Xanograss can help sustain. Wendy shares her vision for regenerating lands degraded by exploitation, where the cultivation of bioenergy crops can reinvigorate ecosystems and revitalise the local economies of Southeast Asia and northern Africa. By rewilding marginalised spaces and creating localized SAF production hubs, we spotlight a future where environmental restoration aligns seamlessly with economic growth and global energy transition.If you enjoyed this episode, why not try our discussion with Natasha Mann, Future Energy Global: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14508344SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host & Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

With SAF being the only current solution to decarbonising air travel on existing aircraft, should the owners of around half the global fleet, the aircraft lessors, be putting more skin in the game? This is a large component to this week's episode where Al spoke to Natasha Mann, CEO, Future Energy Global. Natasha launched Future Energy Global in early 2024, but she has a long history in the aviation after experience with Fairchild Dornier and Airbus as well as her time in aircraft leasing at GECAS. Now Natasha is focusing on the Sustainable Aviation Fuel industry by creating  a pre-purchasing system which aims to simultaneously reduce the cost of capital for the producer, increase airline access to SAF and make aircraft lessor portfolios more green inline with the aggressive ESG requirements of their underlying Institutional Investors. Natasha gives a great explanation as to why lessors should be more involved in the SAF space and how Future Energy Global plans to bring capital in to SAF production whilst also lowering the cost of SAF for the consumer. If you liked this episode, check out our previous discussion with Nicole Sautter, American Express Global Business Travel: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14463484SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Al Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This latest episode of The SAF Podcast Oscar is joined by Nicole Sautter, Director of Global Sustainability, American Express Global Business Travel (AMEX GBT). Corporate customers have a strong role to play in signalling ongoing demand for Sustainable Aviation Fuel. We discuss why AMEX GBT got involved in SAF. They have also been integral in setting up the blockchain backed book and claim system, Avelia, to help both grow the access to SAF and ensure it is sourced and claimed accurately. This has been set up alongside investment into United Airline Ventures Sustainable Flight Fund to help the development of new refining technologies. We discuss all this and whether Nicole thinks business/corporate travellers or mandates are more important to developing the future of SAF than mandates. Nicole is very optimistic about the future role of SAF in Business travel and this conversation highlights how AMEX GBT are really leading the way in making business travel sustainable. If you enjoy this episode check out our other discussion with Austin Willis, Willis Lease Finance Corporation here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14367471SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week Al sat down with Austin Willis, CEO, Willis Lease Finance Corporation to discuss their diversification into Sustainable Aviation Fuel production. The conversation unpacks the transformative journey of Willis Lease, from its roots leasing engines to a broad-spectrum powerhouse, and shines a spotlight on their pioneering endeavour to produce sustainable aviation fuel in Teesside, UK. With a blueprint for a greener horizon, Willis Lease is charting a course for 2026, aiming to power the skies with synthetic fuels.This episode is  a realistic look at the hurdles and headwinds the aviation industry faces as we transition into sustainable practices. Austin Willis gives us a technician's tour into the intricate world of Power-to-Liquid technology, the cornerstone of their sustainable fuel vision. He shares the environmental and economic challenges, from feedstock scarcity to investment complexities, offering an inside look at the mechanisms of de-risking such ventures. It's a conversation that goes beyond combustion engines and into financial engines that will drive or delay the advent of low-carbon flight.Austin is optimistic as we discuss the forthcoming construction of the SAF plant and the broader mission of Willis Sustainable Fuels, illuminating the role they play in the global effort to decarbonize aviation. If you enjoyed this episode, catch our previous discussion with Jean Paquin and how SAF+ International Group are approaching their e-fuel production facility in Montreal, Canada: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/13512160SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Al Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

 On this episode of The SAF Podcast we shake the format up as Al is joined by Mukul Hariharan, United Airlines Ventures and Robert Birdsey, Green Front Energy. If you've ever pondered the financial gears that turn behind the scenes of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) projects, look no further.Tackling the intricacies of renewable fuel supply chains and the hurdles of scaling up from small-scale to large-scale projects, our guests offer a pragmatic lens through which to view the renewable energy sector. They share the need for strategic planning and flexibility to cater to diverse markets, and they dissect the evolving relationship between project financiers and the dynamic renewable fuels market. The conversation then pivots to the nuanced art of renewable energy procurement for corporates, underscoring the balance between policy, market certainty, and technology de-risking. Their insights paint a vivid picture of the patience and strategic thinking needed to navigate the current policy and market conditions impacting renewable fuel infrastructure financing.Our episode wraps with sage advice for those making their foray into the renewable energy industry. For tech companies, it's about staying grounded in scientific rigor and capital efficiency. For project developers, the key lies in starting with proven concepts and integrating newer technologies as they mature. If you enjoyed this conversation catch our previous episode with Jim Lockheed, JetBlue Ventures: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14019163SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Al Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

Welcome to 2024 and we are beginning the year by taking a look back at the big developments and news from 2023 with the SAF Investor team: Al Whyte, Oscar Henderson and Fayaz Hussain. We discuss our favourite news items from the past year like United Airline's appointment of Oscar the Grouch as Chief Trash Officer, the policy announcement from Europe with ReFuelEU and the transatlantic flights by Virgin Atlantic and Gulfstream. We also look back at some of our disappointments form the last year and highlight that although there is so much positive news coming out of the industry, there have been some very big challenges and the mountain the industry is trying to climb looms ever larger. We talk about  the regions and pathways  to watch for 2024, our favourite offtake agreements from the past year and what we are looking forward to in 2024...the answer may or may not surprise people. We also reference some of the fantastic conversations we have had in the last year. If you are working in the Sustainable Aviation Fuel industry and would like to be on an upcoming episode of the podcast in 2024, email us at oscar@corporatejetinvestor.com. SAF investor's conference is going to be running in London on the 27-28 February and if you would like to find out some more about the conference you can do so here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/142346/saf-investor-london/Hosts: AL Whyte, Oscar Henderson & Fayaz HussainProducer: Oscar Henderson

The latest episode of The SAF Podcast is this week with, Jim Lockheed, Investment Principal, JetBlue Ventures. Jim gives us an insider's perspective on the intersection of aerospace, entrepreneurship, and venture capital. From his time in the Air Force to his stint at Boeing and his foray into the world of drones, Jim's unique journey is one you wouldn't want to miss. Plus, he shares his optimism about the future of drones and VTOLs, and reveals how JetBlue Ventures scouts for groundbreaking technologies and startups in the aviation sector. Ever wondered about the hurdles and opportunities that come with investing in sustainable technologies? We delve deep into this topic, discussing the financing gap between early-stage and project financing, the critical role of techno-economic analysis, the importance of scalability and how critical the relationship with the airline JetBlue is in making investment decisions. We also shed light on the potential of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) to revolutionize the aviation industry and offer practical advice to scientists and entrepreneurs seeking funding for their SAF processes. We also discuss there first SAF investment, The Air Company, and what makes them special.How do we strike a balance between financial returns and sustainability impact? Jim Lockheed shares his views on this and explains how strategic funds and partnerships can help us achieve our decarbonisation goals.Find out more about Jim and JetBlue Ventures here: https://www.jetblueventures.com/You can listen to our recent episode with Daniel Bloch, IATA, here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/13989712SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Al Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

 On this week's episode of The SAF Podcast  we chat with James Hygate, CEO of Firefly Green Fuels. James unveils the fascinating world of hydrothermal liquefaction technology and how it can transform sewage into bio crude and biochar, opening the gateway to a new era of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) production. As we navigate through the conversation, James sheds light on his background in Biofuels, including making his own refinery in his house when he was younger, Firefly's  business model that involves converting sewage sludge currently provided by  three  water utility facilities into bio crude. He also provides a sneak peek into their commercialisation timeline and the looming challenges in aligning sustainability with commercial viability. But what good is technology and business acumen without sound policy and abundant feedstock? In our final segment, we delve into the role of policy frameworks and feedstock in the biofuels arena. From the abundance of sewage sludge and its potential as a resource, to the frustrations with policy discussions, James gives us a comprehensive view. We then switch gears to India as we discuss securing investments and offtake agreements for SAF production in this fast-growing economy. So, tune in and gear up for a deep dive into the future of SAF production.Find out more about Firefly Green Fuels here: https://flyfirefly.uk/Find out more about SAF Investor and our upcoming London conference in February 2024 here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/142346/saf-investor-london/If you enjoy this episode catch our recent discussion with Steven Fance, Cultiv8 Hemp Solutions where the benefits of Hemp as a feedstock are discussed: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/13842745Hosted and produced by: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

On the latest episode of The SAF Podcast, our editor Fayaz chats with Daniel Bloch, a SAF specialist from the International Air Transport Association (IATA).Daniel is here to connect the dots between the crucial role of Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) in achieving these targets and how his role at IATA aligns with the ambitious net-zero 2050 aspirations. In a world where the climate crisis needs immediate attention, understanding the regulatory landscape and the progress towards net-zero targets is paramount. Daniel walks us through the complexities of these long-term goals, highlighting the importance of distilling them into manageable targets and timelines. With Daniel, we dissect how the choice of feedstock in SAF production can dramatically impact commercial dynamics, sustainability criteria, and carbon reduction numbers. We also project into the future, examining SAF production estimates for the next decade and the pivotal role of policy in spurring the transition towards sustainable aviation fuel. It's not just about today; it's about laying the groundwork for optimising carbon abatement and scaling up the SAF supply beyond 2030. Don't miss this opportunity to gain critical insights into the future of sustainable aviation!You can find out more about IATA here: https://www.iata.org/If you enjoyed this, check out our recent discussion with John May, Hamilton Clark here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/13335688SAF Investor LondonThis conference serves as a nexus for innovators, customers, financiers, regulators, suppliers, and advisors, forging partnerships that will drive change. SAF Investor London 2024 isn't a conference for debating the merits of SAF; it's about convening the dealmakers who can effect real transformation.Join over 200 leaders in the SAF Industry for two days of stimulating debates, discussions and plenty of networking.You can find out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Fayaz Hussain, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

Who knew that a career in retail could lead you to combatting climate change? We're joined by Andreea Moyes, Global Head of Sustainability at Air bp, who shares how she's now spearheading the charge towards sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Listen in as she shares the industry's perspective on Co-Processing, eFuels, power to liquid technology, why Air bp has not signed any offtake agreements yet and how important strategic partnerships and policy clarity are in scaling up SAF.Are we ready for a cleaner, greener future of aviation? Andrea gives us an insight into the complexities of SAF production and use, helping us understand how corporate partnerships and favourable policies can make SAF more affordable and accessible. She also discusses the potential of HEFA, alcohol-to-jet, for the future of SAF, the significance of goal posts and roadmaps in this endeavour, and her frustrations in the workplace. The future is here, and it's time to buckle up as we journey towards net-zero goals by 2050.Find out more about Air bp here: https://www.bp.com/en/global/air-bp/aviation-fuel/sustainable-aviation-fuel.htmlFind out more about SAF Investor and our conference in London on the 27th-28th February here: https://www.safinvestor.com/If you like this episode, catch our recent discussion with Chris Brown, KPMG Ireland, on the realistic chance SAF has on making its targets, here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/13376452Host: Alasdair Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week we pivot back to the airline and customer side of the Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) with Jonathan Pardoe, Fuel Specialist with Star Alliance, the oldest global airline alliance starting back in 1997. Jonathan has a wealth of experience and knowledge about the fuelling challenges for airlines.Topics discussed include:00.48 - Background and how SAF adoption affects airline operations06.25 - What can airlines do to mitigate the supply and demand imbalance to meet 2030 emissions targets.10.42 - The biggest challenges for airlines accessing SAF15.33 - the steps to narrowing the Jet A1 and SAF prices.21.50 - Do customers have to foot the bill for SAF?28.00 - The role of Asia in SAF supply.32.10 - The market mis-match between the US and Europe and the Asian and Gulf markets.36.40 - Could increased operating costs due to SAF put pressure on the small carriers?41.10 - Can airlines streamline operations to mitigate increased SAF costs.Make sure you catch this conversation about some of the most intriguing challenges that airlines face in the quest to decarbonise operations. SAF can only be the decarbonisation solution everyone believes it can be if the economics behind it don't put excessive strain on operating costs. Find out more about Star Alliance here: https://www.staralliance.com/en/homeFind out more about SAF Investor here: https://www.safinvestor.com/Host: Fayaz Hussain, SAF investorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

The SAF Podcast had the pleasure of speaking to one of the 'Grandfathers' of the Sustainable Aviation Fuel industry, the president and CEO of World Energy, Gene Gebolys. World Energy was the world's first producer of SAF and has been leading the industry in the renewable fuel space for 25 years. It has set the ambitious challenge of producing 1 billion gallons of SAF by 2050. Al and Gene have a fantastic discussion from the origins of World Energy to the importance of the book and claim system to truly unleash the economic power of SAF. Gene highlights that integrity on the buy side of the market is critical, and that the industry only has one chance to get this right. Some topics discussed in the episode:00.52 - The origins of World Energy09.35 - Book and Claim - decoupling the SAF service form the SAF molecule13.40 - The deals with Microsoft and DHL15.10 - The importance of getting it right21.10 - The EU and Book and Claim24.40 - Biodiesel for ground transport and shifting to SAF production28.00 - A commercialisation business not a technology business31.20 - Where does the capital come from39.06 - Keeping the drive on attacking the status quoThis is an amazing conversation and really highlights the SAF industry's need for efficiency if it is to achieve all of its targets.  Find out more about World Energy here: https://www.worldenergy.net/Find out more about SAF investor, including our conference in London. 27th-28th February 2024., here: https://www.safinvestor.com/If you like this episode, catch our recent discussion with Matteo Mirolo, Transport and Environment, where he gives a an equally interesting discussion on the requirement for Book and Claim integrity, from a European perspective. Watch here.Host: Alasdair Whyte, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

The SAF Podcast turns back to producers this week with Steven Fance , CEO and CTO, Cultiv8 Hemp Solutions, who has a great conversation with SAF Investor editor, Fayaz Hussain. Hemp is already being used across various industries from textile, construction and the automotive industry and have a great potential to play a key role in global decarbonisation efforts.  Culti8 Hemp Solutions are using it as a Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) feedstock and for Direct Air Capture (DAC) as Hemp bricks. They currently have a small scale project in Lake Charles, Louisiana and are confident that Hemp is a "superior feedstock" to other biomass solutions. Some of the things discussed in this episode include:01.00 - Steven's background and founding Cultiv8 Hemp Solutions.05.00 - Operations and technological readiness of Cultiv807.03 - How much SAF demand can hemp fulfil?12.00 - Where is the Hemp grown for production14.07 - How much will SAF made from Hemp cost?16.20 - Modular refinery approach18.20 - The benefits of a virtual powerplant21.15 - Planned expansion into EuropeIt is exciting to see where SAF produced from Hemp can go and its potential to add another string the the SAF bow as production pathways and commercialisation develop. Find out more about Cultiv8 Hemp Solutions here.Found out more about SAF Investor here.Host: Fayaz Hussain, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor