Podcast appearances and mentions of judy douglass

The President and CEO of the American Bible Society is this year's recipient of the Tru316 Medallion Award! On this episode, Bruce C. E. Fleming introduces the Medallion Award presentation, followed by a mix of testimonials by ministry leaders from Wycliffe Bible Translators, Missionary Aviation Fellowship and more who honor Dr. Jennifer Holloran, followed by her own words of acceptance at the 2026 event. You can see a video of the testimonials by these leaders on the Tru316 Foundation You Tube Channel. Here is a link: https://youtu.be/MfFBkBx3gQ4 Go Deeper. We met at the headquarters of The American Bible Society in downtown Philadelphia across the street from historic Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell on the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States! The video of the full event is available here: https://youtu.be/w79qDzJpCWU . The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

BACK in 2004. I took our kids back to Africa in 2004. Here's what happened. Due to a minor plane crash and having to make the trip overland, our kids went on into the Congo and I stayed behind with no plans for the week in the Central African Republic. THEN the invitations poured in! I happily taught many groups, pastors, deaconesses, school teachers, night watchmen and even high government officials! They were trilled at the positive news of Eden!NOW in 2026! We have two special events coming up! YOU are invited to our Event at the HQ of the American Bible Society on March 21 2026! We'll be presenting the Tru316 Medallion Award to ABS President Dr. Jennifer Holloran and our Keynote speaker will be Dr. Beverly Nyberg! Dr. Nyberg studied at the University of Nebraska and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. she has been Adjunct Professor at The George Washington University and Senior Consultant at Common Root Consulting. At the U.S. President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) State Dept. she for 11 years she was responsible for the US Government global programs for children affect by HIV/AIDS. PEPFAR. She also had served with the Peace Corps in Africa and provided field leadership in DR Congo with The Evangelical Free Church Mission. The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Stories from listeners are featured on this episode of The Eden Podcast! From El Paso, Texas to Nairobi, Kenya and more! "Life changing" are the words frequently used for the books in The Eden Book Series and the for the Tru School Workshops which are based on the teaching material from Seasons 1-4 of The Eden Podcast. The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Finding Jesus in the Garden of Eden? Yes! Naming errors by those whose views have gone askew? Yes! Let's look at the Gospel in the Garden. Then, lets see where many have gone askew in their view of New Testament passages on women and men because their view of Genesis 3:16 was askew too.Go Deeper? We invite you to get a copy (audiobook on Audible, hard copy or eBook at Amazon) of The Book of Eden, Genesis 2-3 by Bruce C. E. Fleming. You can also sign up for our Tru School Workshops on the four key passages on women and men here: Tru316.com/workshop The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

One woman rented helicopters to spread the Jesus Video in the mountains of Albania. Another woman organized the HR systems as Cru grew form a staff of hundreds to one of thousands. This is Part 2 from the new book by Judy Douglass recounting the stories of 15 women leaders of Cru / Campus Crusade for Christ titled "Her Calling, Our Legacy. Pioneer Women of Cru. The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Who launched the National Day of Prayer? Judy Douglass tells us who in Chapter 1 of her new book on pioneer women of the worldwide Cru Ministry. Plus 14 more leaders are profiled in the next chapters of this fabulous retelling of world changers. Judy Douglass leads Women's Resources for Cru / Campus Crusade for Christ. She is this years recipient of the Tru316 Medallion Award for her lifetime of ministry.On this episode of The Eden Podcast Bruce asks Judy about four women leaders who changed their world for the better!Judy's new book is Her Calling, Our Legacy - Pioneer Women of Cru, Volume 1. This book is already sold out! To learn more, join us for Part two of our interview with the author, Judy Douglass, here on The Eden Podcast! The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Mimi prayed for a deeper understanding and a wider ministry. April supports the transformative work of the Tru316 Foundation. Hear from two of our Tru School Workshop Facilitators at the 316 Day Celebration in Orlando! The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

The ESV has made some changes to Genesis 3:16. Did they go far enough? How should we "true" the verse? Dr. Joy Fleming recounts key elements she discovered in the Hebrew text. Join us at the podium on 316 Day in Orlando as Dr. Joy Fleming explains what she found in Genesis 2-3!She discovered WORD PATTERNS that are hard to present readers in a different language. What is the most important pattern English readers been missing?? It is the linchpin pattern in Line 1 of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Other's didn't realize they could fully use God's gifts for ministry. So Judy worked hard, around the world, to encourage them - especially the women on their worldwide staff. For this great ministry service the Tru316 Foundation honors Judy Douglass with the 2025 Medallion Award! The full Event video if available on the Tru316 Foundation You Tube Channel! The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Judy asked, "What is the opportunity cost if women are not mobilized to use their gifts for the Gospel?" Leadership gifts? Operational gifts?Andrea Budczinski, Cru VP of Global Leadership Development, highlights three key words that describe elements of Judy Douglass and her ministry of encouragement and advocacy in more than 50 countries! Judy has been these three: Role Model. Advocate for women and men to use their ministry gifts. Ally with men in the ministry that Jesus would be famous everywhere. Encourager. She comes along and sees the beauty that God has put there in each person.Judy's acceptance speech of the Tru316 Medallion Award will be highlighted in the next episode of The Eden Podcast! The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

I met Mark Gauthier at our VIP lunch on Tru316 Day 2025 in Orlando. He is Vice President and US National Director of Cru. What a delightful brother in the Lord! At that same table was Dr. Jennifer Holloran, President/CEO of American Bible Society, and former COO of Wycliffe Bible Translators USA. Later that day she gave the Keynote Address. My wife, Dr. Joy Fleming and I, and the Tru316 Foundation team, had gathered that day to honor Judy Douglass with the presentation of the 2025 Tru316 Medallion Award for her lifetime of ministry, especially in encouraging women and men around the world to energetically use the gifts God has given to each one. This episode of The Eden Podcast, and the ones to come, we will present highlights from our Celebration held in the Bill Bright Strategy Center at the Headquarters of Campus Crusade for Christ/Cru. We are grateful for their hosting us and for the Jesus Video Staff for recording the event! Special thanks to Judy, Diane, Andrea, Sam, Mimi, April and more! This was our annual fundraiser and awareness event! You can give now by making a gift as the Lord leads! Go to Tru316.com/donate The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

No! God Did NOT Talk to Eve about Pain in Childbirth. God talked to Eve about (1) toil in fieldwork because of the coming curse on the ground and about (2) conception in fulfillment of God's promise of offspring who would crush the serpent's head! Neither of these had to do with what you'll find in most English versions that talk about "pain in childbearing." Let's "true" the verse and let God's actual words come through. The closest we can find in English is the KJV.PLUS - how lives are being changed through our podcast, books and courses!AND - 3/16 Day 2025 is coming fast. Sign up to join us in Orlando at Cru HQ or online. Use this special link! TinyURL.com/Tru316Day2025 The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

2024 Summary Report! 1,001 donations! Listeners in 136 countries! A quarter million downloads and views on our Tru316 Channels! A grant made to launch Tabitha Center #316 in the DR Congo to provide the Good News and job training to at-risk women and men!Groundwork laid for the coming year Including our 316 Day Celebration, March 16 in Orlando at Cru HQ with our keynote speaker from The American Bible Society! SO many reports of lives changed from learning the positive insights from Eden.All this activity in our ADULT EDUCATION DIVISION.In 2025 we launch our CHURCH AND FAMILY EDUCATION DIVISION! You can help! Donate to The Eden Fund here: https://donorbox.org/the-eden-fund-1 The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

How did Cru go from little visible participation for women in leadership to now having women serving in the ministry as global 4 of the 7 Global Vice Presidents? This is the Remarkable Judy Douglass Story on this BEST OF episode of The Eden Podcast!Hear her Faith Story, her Ministry Story and her Tru316 Story! Judy is an in-the-book endorser of The Book of Eden by Bruce C. E. Fleming and a welcome advisor to the Tru316 Foundation.Here are Judy Douglass' links:Website: www.JudyDouglass.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-you-love-a-prodigal/id1551846569Would you like to go deeper studying the Tru316 Message? ENROLL NOW to be part of the next Tru School cohort. Here's that link: www.Tru316.com/workshopThe Tru316 Foundation(www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too.Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner HERE: www.Tru316.com/partnerFor just $3.16/month or more our Tru Partners are spreading the Word that God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way. Click www.Tru316.com/partner The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Carol's Top 5 Strengths are:  Activator, Connectedness, Woo, Belief, Communication  Mary's Top 5 Strengths are: Maximizer, Strategic, Learner, Communication, Responsibility,  Lyn's Top 5 Strengths are: Positivity, Empathy, Harmony, Connectedness & Input  Judy's Top 5 Strengths are: Developer, Connectedness, Positivity, Stratetic & Input  Website for Beyond: Creating a Love you Love in your 50's, 60's, 70's and more Carol Dodds has enjoyed working alongside her husband, Stuart, with Cru and Athletes in Action since 1982. Carol is a passionate speaker, life coach, and mentor. She is the founding director of Encore, an organization in Austin, Texas for influential women over fifty. Carol and Stuart have three children and one granddaughter.   Mary Henderson is an author, counselor and speaker devoted to helping others overcome the barriers keeping them from being all they can be. She and her husband, John, have lived and worked toward this goal throughout New Zealand, Eastern Europe, Russia and the United States. They have three grown children and two grandchildren. Her website is Mary Henderson   Lyn Alexander is deeply committed to developing rich, lasting relationships with her family and those she mentors. She served as the Executive Director of TruCare in Austin, Texas, and has held positions at The Hollywood Reporter, Paramount Pictures, and McDonnell Douglas. Lyn and her husband Dan have three children and three grandchildren.   Judy Douglass loves encouraging people to be all that they were created for. She is an author, speaker, podcast host, and Director of Women's Resources for Cru. She is the founder and host of Prayer for Prodigals, an online community for those who love someone who is making destructive choices. She has three children and ten grandchildren. Her website is Judy Douglass   Find out your strengths by taking the CliftonStrengths Top 5 Assessment   Workshops and Coaching with Barbara Culwell Subscribe & Leave a Review on Embrace Your Strengths  

[00:00:00] Judy Douglass: A couple of years before we moved from California to Florida the Lord said to me, I'm sending you a son. And I said, no, thank you. And he said, I'm sending you a son. I said, okay, whatever you say, and time passed, and it didn't happen then and two years passed and he said, when you get to Florida, someone will say, can you take this boy? And I said, if that happens, then I guess this is from you, Lord. Tommy Thomas Today, we're continuing the conversation we began last week with Judy Douglas. In this episode, Judy delves into her personal and professional journey, highlighting the importance of resilience, humility, and faith. She shares stories from her time working with Bill Bright and the transformative impact of adopting a foster child. This episode is packed with valuable lessons for leaders and caregivers alike. Let's pick up where we left off last week. [00:01:06] Tommy Thomas: I'm curious. and here again, you've probably already alluded to this, but times in your life that have really tested your metal and what did you learn from those? [00:01:19] Judy Douglass: I've mentioned that one was working with Bill Bright. And he just had strong different opinions than I did. And I needed to be responsive to him. He was the boss. So there were a couple of times when he wanted me to do something I really didn't want or think I could do because I didn't agree. [00:01:48] And I asked the Lord, I said, maybe I should just leave the staff now. And the Lord said, no. He said, you can do what Bill wants you to do. And you've already demonstrated that you can help him see another perspective. and I'll give you an example of that. So, at Explo 74 in Korea, we went to Yeouido Island. [00:02:19] Judy Douglass: And we had about 100,000 there, I think. I don't know. But the Korean people were reporting to the press that there were a million there every night. And I had another reporter from Christianity Today there also, and we said, there's no way there are many people here. And so, we actually walked the whole island. And then said, all right, with Americans, you could only get this many because they're not going to be crunched up tight, but the Koreans are smaller, and they are willing to be right next to each other. And so, we got the biggest number we could possibly find. And it was not a million when Bill started to talk about it. [00:03:12] Judy Douglass: And he said, there were a million people. And I said, Bill, there weren't a million people there. He said, that's what we need to say. I said, but it's not true. He said, that's what the Koreans are reporting, and we need to not offend them by not believing what they're saying. I said, okay, so here's how I can do that. I can say the official reported numbers were by the police. And so, then that was true. That was their official reported numbers. But it's still always every time I heard somebody say there were a million people there. No, there weren't. No, there weren't. But that was hard. And I had a few run-ins with Dr. Bright that made me want to leave the staff. God just says this is where I want you and the other was waiting on Steve. It was a long wait, we got married, I was 31, now that wouldn't seem so strange, but 50 years ago, it seemed strange. You don't wait that long to get married, but God said, no, you wait, you just wait, I'm going to do this. So those are two that were challenging for me. There have been some others, but those are probably the bigger ones.  [00:04:33] Tommy Thomas: You've observed a lot of leaders over the course of your life. What's the most dangerous behavior or trait that you've seen derail a leader's life? [00:04:49] Judy Douglass: Pride. They think they know, and they may know, more than others. But to think you're better or more, make decisions, but also pride leads to a sense that I can do what I want. I'm the boss, I'm in charge. And that's what leads to a lot of the failures that we've seen publicly lately is that. So more than anything, I think it's pride and that's why even as I talk about Bill Bright and Steve Douglass, both very capable men, great leaders, I watched them. [00:05:31] Judy Douglass: They were maybe two of the humblest people I've ever met. And so I just get concerned when people have to draw attention to themselves. For me, one of my key things as I work with people and have a team, I still have a team of 15 people. They do all the work. I just love on them. I'll tell you a story back in my early days of doing the Collegiate Challenge Magazine. No, the Worldwide Challenge. Bruce Cook, who was Steve's roommate at Harvard, said something to me about a project that we had done for the magazine. And he says, that was really good. And I said, it was good, wasn't it? I said, I didn't do that. So and so did it. And I named who it was. And I said, they did a great job. [00:06:25] Judy Douglass: And he said, one of the most important leadership principles that you can learn is to lift up the other people, to send the credit where it belongs and not take it yourself. I just am so grateful that God has helped me grow in that. So, I would recommend it to anyone. [00:06:51] Tommy Thomas:  It's been said that we learn most from our failures. If that's the case, why are most of us so afraid to fail? [00:07:00] Judy Douglass: Good question. I suppose I'm sure I can think of many, especially as a parent, but, one real failure was at two different times, but very similar. I had two women on my team that I was working a lot with and, I've already told you, I'm not a big rural follower and yet they were very structured and wanted to know exactly what was going to happen and who, and I just am a little looser and so, both of them ended up leaving our team. I didn't ask them to, I was sure we could come to some ability to work together, but they just felt they could not live on a team that was not more structured and that's who they were and everything. Now they're still friends to me that I could not help and see where I could work better. [00:08:07] Judy Douglass: To be able to come together better because they were gifted people, and I was sad to see them go. So that was major. Probably another area that tested my metal and where I've seen failure is this boy that God sent us, right before we moved. A couple of years before we moved from California to Florida so, the Lord said to me, I'm sending you a son. And I said, no, thank you. And he said, I'm sending you a son. I said, okay, whatever you say, and time passed, and it didn't happen then, and two years passed and he said, when you get to Florida, someone will say, can you take this boy? And I said, if that happens, then I guess this is from you, Lord. [00:09:03] Judy Douglass: Three weeks after we got here to Florida, this new friend said, do you know someone who could take an eight-year-old boy? And tears just came, and  I said, we might, I probably ought to talk to Steve about that. Anyway, this boy, his mother was an addict, and he didn't know his father and his grandparents were raising his older half-sister and he was living in neglected and dangerous places and lots of stuff and the county finally took him away. And the grandparents had him, but they said we can't do two of them. And so, they were looking to put him in foster care, hopefully adoption. It took a while, like a year to work out with the county and he came to live with us. [00:09:58] Judy Douglass: He was almost 10. He couldn't read or write. Basically all sorts of issues in his life. And God sent him to us. He was shocked. We go to bed at a certain time, dinner at a table that we ate. We had dinner, and it was just so many things that were different for him and for us. And so that was challenging. But as he got older, it was harder and harder because he just was so wounded by all the things that happened to him and didn't happen for him. And we just, we know we made mistakes. We didn't do it all right. It was hard, but in the end, it took about 16, 17 years, a long time. He's a good man now. [00:10:49] Judy Douglass: He's married, he has a stepdaughter, and then two little girls. He has a good job, drilling water wells out in the country, and they have a farm, and they raise animals, and all sorts of things, and he works. My husband, in his frustration, used to say he's the most creative work avoider I've ever seen. And in the later years, the last few years, we looked at him and said, he works harder than any person we've ever seen. And so, God redeemed what we've made a lot of mistakes. We didn't know what we were doing. And he had a lot of more pain. He made a lot of bad choices, but God did a miracle for him, for us, and this Prayer for Prodigals Ministry that grew out of it. [00:11:44] Tommy Thomas: If you were writing a book on the burdens of leadership that only the CEO can bear, what would some of your chapter titles be? [00:11:54] Judy Douglass: Oh, I don't like titles, so I'm not going to tell you that. Thinking up titles is one of the hardest things I do. I would say that it is important to be authentic, to really be the person that God has created you to be. And treat people the way they need to be treated. To believe they have value and that they can contribute well. To honor people for their work. To be kind and engage with them whenever you can. A lot of times before COVID and when Steve was still President, and I was at the office a lot. I used to just spend an afternoon going from desk to desk and talking with them and showing them that they were valued there and telling them how their contribution was really of great value and asking needs or prayer requests. And I wrote a blog post once called it's the people and I refrain from saying stupid. Because people think they're the ones that are important and people that God has sent to participate, to partner with you in the work he's given you. They're there. [00:13:28] Judy Douglass: You can't do it without them. So don't think you can. Recognize the contributions that they make both in your own mind, but to them and to others as well. [00:13:44] Tommy Thomas: I want to get you to respond to a couple of quotes. This is always a fun part of the podcast to me. I'll go with this first one from CS Lewis. Pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pain. It's his megaphone to rouse a deaf world. [00:14:09] Judy Douglass: That's fairly easy for me to answer because that's exactly what happened with our son. Without a doubt, the hardest, most painful part of this was all of those years trying to help him learn to be a person and a responsible one. But the pain that we experienced in that changed us a lot, helped us to learn to love and grace go further than strong words and anger or rejection in helping a person redeem. And out of that has grown the Prayer for Prodigals. The Prayer for Prodigals Prayer Place on Facebook.  A Facebook page of prayer for prodigals and every June 2nd a Prayer for Prodigals Worldwide Prodigal Prayer Day and we invite people to give us first names of someone they want prayed for and unless they ask us later to take the name off, we don't. [00:15:22] Judy Douglass: So it accumulates because who doesn't want people to pray for your loved one? Whoever it is, most often children or grandchildren, but also your spouse, or your brother, or sister, and so this year on June 2nd I was at my Grandson's graduation so I didn't participate as much, but people gather in small groups, or we do a zoom call kind of thing. And we had the largest number that we know of praying, after I don't know how many years is up to, we have about 11,000 names that I'm halfway through praying, since I wasn't available on the day of prayer this year, I'm praying through it slowly myself and naming every person and bringing them before the Lord. [00:16:11] Judy Douglass: So great pain that we went through, and yet God has brought very fruitful help to so many people through this opportunity. [00:16:25] Tommy Thomas: Here's a new quote. I've not asked this to anyone yet. Beware of the shorn beard of reputation for it is hard to regrow. [00:16:41] Judy Douglass: That goes with pride. I think it's also evident in an awful lot of people being, yeah, their reputation has been harmed by things that have come out. And it is hard. Some try and it works, but most of the time it doesn't work if they try to come back. And so, I just go back to Jesus saying that he is humble and that we should be humble like he is and so that'll probably save us a lot of trouble later if we walk in humility and not in pride. [00:17:27] Tommy Thomas: The last one. I'm not called to be successful, but to be faithful. Mother Teresa. [00:17:39] Judy Douglass: Yeah, I think I would agree with that. It's hard to say much more to that. I think, how are we faithful? We're faithful to become the people that we're made to be. We're not accidents. And if you look at Ephesians 2:10, it says he made each of them. In the Psalm 139, he says he made each one of us. He was there forming us. So, it's no surprise that I'm not a rule follower. Maybe that wasn't one of his anyway. And it's no surprise that I don't have musical ability. But I can do words pretty well. And in Ephesians 2, he says, you are a work of art, a masterpiece designed for the good works that I've already prepared for you and so, God wants us to walk closely enough with him to discover those things, to be intentional, to discover them, and then to live them out. And do things I had to do, break an engagement, give up a dream, wait when I didn't want to wait, while God was doing work in me, and then he has to be faithful to what he's given us to do. [00:18:59] Judy Douglass: That doesn't mean it won't change some because it will. But faithfulness is to be obedient and surrender to the Lord in a way that I can do what he wants me to do. And the outcomes are up to him. I'm not doing them to be known. I'm not doing them to get accolades. I'm doing them because this is the work of God, the good works that God has prepared for me to do. And God loves faithful people. He loves others too. [00:19:38] Tommy Thomas: If you could give a younger version of yourself, a piece of advice, what would it be? [00:19:49] Judy Douglass: There's lots of little things, specifics, but I would say two words that have been key for me. One is to keep trusting God, even when hard things happen. Was I happy that my husband left two years ago? No. But I'm trusting that God knew what he was doing, that it was his time, and there were good reasons. God did tell me, but I therefore was trusting that he would stay with me, which he said the night Steve died. I said, now what am I supposed to do? And God said, I'll be with you. I said, I know that, but what am I supposed to do? And he says, no, every step of the way, I will be with you. And He has. And then the other is the practice of giving thanks in everything has probably transformed me more than almost anything. Learning in the good things I can easily say thank you for, but in the hard things, little hard things, big hard things, confusion, misunderstandings, great pain. Thank you, Lord. Because I trust you and that's made all the difference for me. [00:21:11] Tommy Thomas: What's the best piece of advice anybody ever gave you? [00:21:20] Judy Douglass: Just what I said, that was advice that I got from people, and learning to live it out. It's more important, and some people wouldn't agree, but a lot of people in leadership are trained to be leaders. I was never trained to be a leader. I just did what God wanted, and that's how He led me. So, for me, it has everything to do with my relationship with God. I let Him meet my needs and work in me. Give me comfort, give me courage, depending on what the need is. And yeah, the best advice I have is, oh, I'll tell you what the best advice is. This is one of Steve's famous ones. You want to know what God's plan for you is and what your job description is. Walk closely with God and do what He says. If you want to know God's plan for you, Steve would always say “Walk closely with God and do what He says”. [00:22:22] Tommy Thomas: Thank you for joining us today. If you are a first-time listener, I hope you will subscribe and become a regular. You can find links to all the episodes at our website: www.jobfitmatters.com/podcast. If there are topics you'd like for me to explore, my email address is tthomas@jobfitmatters.com.  Word of mouth has been identified as the most valuable form of marketing. Surveys tell us that consumers believe recommendations from friends and family over all other forms of advertising. If you've heard something today that's worth passing on, please share it with others. You're already helping me make something special for the next generation of nonprofit leaders. I'll be back next week with a new episode. 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[00:00:24] Judy Douglass: Two people who've had the most impact on me. One would be Bill Bright because when I did the magazine, all of a sudden I was reporting to him and some other people as well because he didn't have time to really supervise and so those were sometimes tense times. Bill and I have one huge difference. Bill loves superlatives. Everybody was the greatest or the most talented or the best and that's the way he talked. I'm a journalist. Don't even believe superlatives are acceptable words, because nobody is the best or the greatest or anything. And so Bill would write these flowery promoting things and I would get it and bring it back to what I thought was realism. And he would come back, and he'd say, no, you need to… And I would put a little bit more back, but not all of it, and we would go about five rounds before I didn't go back to him anymore. I just decided we'd gotten it as far as I was willing to go and as much as he really needed. But that was challenging because we didn't always agree on things and yet he was always kind and gracious to me and positive and encouraging. But more than anything, he was trusting God. ++++++++++++ [00:01:53] Tommy Thomas: My guest today is Judy Douglass, a prominent figure within Cru, formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ. Throughout her career, she has held various roles within Cru and has become well known for her leadership and speaking. She served in positions such as staff member, mentor, and advocate for women in leadership within the organization. In addition to her work with Cru, Judy is a prolific writer, addressing topics related to faith, leadership, and personal growth. These writings offer practical guidance, encouragement, and hope to individuals navigating various challenges in life, particularly in the context of family relationships and spiritual journeys. Judy, welcome to NextGen Nonprofit Leadership. [00:02:38] Judy Douglass: Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm looking forward to it. [00:02:41] Tommy Thomas: I've been looking forward to this. I was thinking back, I guess the first time I met you was probably ‘73 or ‘74. That was, before the turn of the century, huh? [00:02:51] Judy Douglass: Definitely before the turn of the century. Yes, I was on staff then too. [00:02:57] Tommy Thomas: I want to learn a little bit about your childhood.  I know when I listen to a podcast and they start asking people those questions my ears perk up. So maybe take me back. What was it like growing up in your hometown and your family? [00:03:11] Judy Douglass: It was like it is for most people who grow up in Texas. [00:03:16] Tommy Thomas: Hot? [00:03:16] Judy Douglass: Opinionated. My family helped settle the State of Texas on both my mother's and my father's side. My mother's side, they came with Stephen F. Austin when he settled down near San Antonio. And on my father's side, it was after the war. And they moved to Dallas, which was just beginning to become a city. And so, I'm very Texan through and through, though I haven't lived there in a very long time, but my family is still there. [00:03:49] Judy Douglass:  I have three sisters, and we are still alive, and we get together every year or year and a half.   When my mother died, we all agreed if we weren't intentional, we wouldn't see each other. So, we became intentional, and we do that. My father was a doctor. My mother had been a nurse, basically. There was this expectation that you can do anything, you'll be supported and encouraged, and that was true. [00:04:23] Tommy Thomas: So, what did you want to be when you grew up coming out of a medical family? [00:04:33] Judy Douglass: I really don't like anything medical very much. From the time I was eight years old, I wanted to be a writer. I started a novel when I was eight and it was about my favorite topic, horses. And so, I loved horses, and I loved writing and they started to go together at a young age. I still have the manuscript of the chapter I wrote of my only novel ever. [00:04:59] Tommy Thomas:  What was high school like for you? Did that manifest itself in high school? Those two loves? [00:05:05] Judy Douglass:   They did. My high school was a very high-level school. And so, there were lots of smart kids. I didn't care for the social structure, but I loved the fact that I got a great education. Probably my biggest opportunity came when I studied journalism for a year, and the journalism teacher saw real hope in me, I think. And so, she encouraged me to work on the school paper, and she did things like she took an article I'd written for the paper and sent it into the Texas High School Press Association writing contest, and it was a feature, and I won for the whole state of Texas. [00:05:57] Judy Douglass: I didn't even know I was entered, but that was encouraging that I could do that, and that she thought I had enough potential that she would enter that for me without even telling me. So that was really a good thing. The horses, I had this, my father wasn't about to buy me a horse. He refused many times since I asked him many times, but he had a doctor, friend, with a horse and no one to ride it. And so they got together and I got a horse and I rode that horse for a number of years. At first, just fun with my friends, but then he said, she's a saddle horse. She's really a good horse. So, he wanted her trained. So, we went over to the training state of stable where I learned to write English and do some jumping and learned all the more proper things than just enjoying riding a horse. [00:06:53] Judy Douglass: And so that was maybe one of the happiest days of my life when my father says, I have a horse for you.  It was a great experience, and I loved it and it paid off later. +++++++++++++++++++++ [00:07:05] Tommy Thomas: My next question was going to be, what are people always surprised to find out about you? But what I would imagine, I certainly didn't know the horse story.  Is there anything else that people might be surprised to know that might know you or would call you a friend? What might they not know? [00:07:21] Judy Douglass: Probably a couple of things that would surprise them because I'm very much a strong advocate for what I care about. They might not know that I'm really a soft-hearted pushover and I'm interested in making sure people thrive than even making sure things happen the way I want. And the other thing that always seems to surprise them, not anyone in my family, but them, is I'm not a rule follower very well. I know rules are needed. And I know it is required, but basically when I see rules, I look at what's their objective and then it's how can I fulfill that objective, maybe keeping the rules and maybe not. [00:08:09] Tommy Thomas: So, you've served a long time with Cru.  Anytime I interview somebody that's been with an organization a long time, I ask them when you joined, did you think it would be a career? [00:08:21] Judy Douglass: It didn't surprise me, but because my parents were not happy that I was joining Campus Crusade for Christ, I said, it's just a two-year commitment because that's all we were signing up for. But in my mind, it probably was longer, but I sure didn't know it was going to be the 60 years that I've been part of the Cru staff. [00:08:44] Tommy Thomas: Oh, so when I met you, I think you were managing one of our magazines. And I suppose you had a staff reporting to you. What do you remember about that first management experience? [00:08:56] Judy Douglass: Oh, my goodness. I remember, one, that I was over my head, because what happened was, I went out there and I was planning to go on campus. When I decided to join the staff, I had to give up two important things. I was engaged to a young man I'd gone with all through college. And he wasn't interested at all in being a part of Cru. And, I said, Lord, when are you going to tell him? And God said, if you marry him, you won't be able to do what I want you to do. And, okay, that was something I wanted. I told the Lord when I met him that I would choose your way. And so that, I choose your way, was my pattern through life. [00:09:42] Judy Douglass: And, so I said, okay. But I was also giving up my dream to become a writer and to maybe eventually be a magazine editor. But when I got to the staff conference, Bill Bright called me into his office and he said, we have this magazine we started to use on the campuses, to help staff talk to students about topics. We wondered if instead of going to one campus, you would come to headquarters and do this magazine for all the campuses. And I'm like, what? Yes.  So, God gave me my dream back just right away. The other one came later. [00:10:27] Tommy Thomas: Was that the Collegiate, I'm trying to think, was that the Collegiate Challenge? [00:10:31] Judy Douglass: That was the Collegiate Challenge. And I did that for several years with the whole editorial staff and then their man named Robert was the designer and he was far more knowledgeable than I was. And what was interesting was that we and Campus Life Magazine from Youth for Christ at the same time, we're looking at most Christian magazines, which were tiny print little pictures. Yeah. Just not even readable. And not certainly enticing. And I said, we got to do something. And Bob was really creative. And we ended up making a magazine that when we took it to the Evangelical Press Association convention and entered their contest, we won Periodical of The Year of all the categories, because they'd never seen a magazine like it. [00:11:27] Judy Douglass: And it was full of color, and it was stories, and it was just a totally different thing, but that was that then we decided to start what became the Worldwide Challenge because we realized that staff were having a hard time convincing their parents that they should join this organization that parent's thought was a cult and also help people, donors and those parents and anyone else understand what it meant to know and walk with God. And the things we were teaching the students, lay people by then, we wanted others to hear. And so, we said, and this is one of the biggest things, hardest things I ever did was we said, okay, we'll do this magazine. Basically, I was the editor, and we had about six journalism school graduates. [00:12:23] Judy Douglass: We were not very old and not even very old in the Lord. Not really strong. We had no knowledge of what went on in the churches out there. And so, we're going to do a magazine that's going to represent our ministry. And we were really over our heads, but God was so good. We had no subscribers. We went to our staff and talked them into giving it to their donors. And so we had to start it off. We had 35,000 subscribers because the staff did that. Our theme for our campaign was tell your supporters you love them 12 times a year. And so it was unbelievably wonderful. God gave us wisdom on how to put together a team and I just marveled at what we were able to do and how God used it in people's lives. [00:13:18] Judy Douglass: And it only ended recently because of the cost of postage and the use of net and that there were other ways to communicate, but when I look back at my years on staff, that's one of my main highlights is getting to start the worldwide challenge and see it touch so many lives. [00:13:40] Tommy Thomas: Now was my friend Chuck McDonald on your team? He and I joined the staff about the same time. [00:13:46] Judy Douglass: Chuck McDonald was on my team. [00:13:48] Tommy Thomas: And he was a University of Missouri J School graduate, if I remember. [00:13:53] Judy Douglass: Which at that time was considered the best. ++++++++++++++++ [00:13:55] Tommy Thomas: So, let's go to mentors. Someone in your life who has brought you along on this journey. The two people who had the greatest impact on my life were Bill Bright and Steve Douglass [00:14:06] Judy Douglass: Two people who've had the most impact on me. One would be Bill Bright because when I did the magazine all of a sudden I was reporting to him and some other people as well because he didn't have time to really supervise, but I did a lot of work with him planning the magazine, editing the magazine, helping him write books, helping him write the first five transferable concepts. And so those were sometimes tense times. Bill and I have one huge difference. Bill loves superlatives. Everybody was the greatest or the most talented or the best and that's the way he talked. I'm a journalist. Don't even believe superlatives are acceptable words, because nobody is the best or the greatest or anything. [00:15:02] Judy Douglass: And so, Bill would write these flowery promoting things, and I would get it and bring it back to what I thought was realism. And he would come back, and he'd say, no, and I would put a little bit more back, but not all of it. And we would go about five rounds before I didn't go back to him anymore. I just decided we'd gotten it as far as I was willing to go and as much as he really needed. But that was challenging because we didn't always agree on things and yet he was always kind and gracious to me and positive and encouraging. But more than anything, he was trusting God. I've known a lot of people who trusted God and I've read many but knew Bill very well. [00:15:58] Judy Douglass: And he trusted God more than almost more than anyone I'd ever seen. And that was a huge thing in teaching me to walk with God on a consistent basis and believe that he would lead me and give me what I needed before me. So, he was probably at that time the biggest influence spiritually in my life, the biggest mentor. The other person I would mention is Steve Douglas. Steve and I dated for five years before we got married. But we were friends and then we were dating, and it was a long time. Sometimes everybody said, give up on him. And I said, yeah. And, so I said, Lord, I'm done. [00:16:48] Judy Douglass: And the Lord said, no, wait, don't give up. Don't quit. And so, it took five years before Steve came to a census. But the point I want to make is he was concerned that his parents had not had a good marriage. His father was an alcoholic, and he just was afraid he had too much of his father in him, which, not true, really, except for smart. He was afraid he wouldn't be a good husband as opposed to being so afraid of marriage. And he loved me. And so, from him, I learned a lot of principles of managing and leading because that's what he did. He went to Harvard. And then he came to Cru to reorganize it, which I didn't appreciate. [00:17:36] Judy Douglass: I had to move out of the president's office. But he spiritually just loved the Lord and sought him and wanted what God had for him. And then we were married for 47 years until God took him home two years ago. So just watching him live his life, lead the ministry in the 20 years he served as President. And I just learned how to work with people. He was maybe the kindest person I'd ever met. Just always responsive to people. Responsive to those who worked for him lifting them up. One of the girls that traveled with me, we were on a trip together with Steve and his assistant and we were coming home from a long international trip. And so we're all tired and she's dropping us off at our house and he says, what can I pray for you? And she says, oh, I've got a chair that's falling apart and I just need somebody to help me put it together, so pray for that. [00:18:47] Judy Douglass: He's knocking on her door with his tools in his hand and he fixed her chair and she's never forgotten it. The president, tired from a long trip, hurt her knee and went to meet it. And that would be what he was like. He was amazing with our children. He coached soccer for our older daughter for 12 years, I think maybe it was only 11, but because he wanted to be with her. Because he's naturally a coach, by the way, I've always thought if he weren't leading this ministry, he would be a coach somewhere. Also, he loved the girls that were on the soccer team. Before every game, he called each one to tell her what she would be expecting to do the next day, and his confidence that she would do a good job. [00:19:38] Judy Douglass: And he also did it so he could have opportunities to tell people about Jesus. And, he was very intentional. I'll tell you one other thing he did. I'm nice to people. I really am, but I don't go out of my way all the time. And so in our neighborhood, he would go walk in the morning and to get exercise. He'd listen to scripture on the way out and then he would pray on the way back. He would look for opportunities to meet the neighbors and talk to them. And for several years, until his body was really not working as well, he picked up trash in our neighborhood and the whole neighborhood knew what he did. [00:20:27] Judy Douglass: They didn't know who he was necessarily, but they knew, oh, he's the man who picks up the trash. I have great pictures of him. So, he's seeing, cause it's usually still dark and his pictures, his paper wrapper and a thing that holds three paper, plastic bags. So, he can put the trash in it. [00:20:49] Tommy Thomas: Wow. [00:20:49] Judy Douglass: It was amazing. I learned a lot from both of those two men. There were others, but you asked for the most. [00:20:56] Tommy Thomas: You've probably already answered this question, but maybe not - relative to team leadership, what's the most ambitious project you've ever undertaken? And how did you get your team to rally around it? [00:21:11] Judy Douglass: Two. Okay. One was starting the Worldwide Challenge. And I already basically explained, none of us really were equipped to do that job. They entered into it, and we learned and grew together, and the exciting thing is I can name one thing after another that those people are now doing so that they learned well, I learned well, we all worked together, the magazine benefited staff and their donors, and their parents and it was amazing and I am grateful. The biggest thing that I ever did was the Global Women's Leadership Forum. No, actually, the biggest thing that I did was adopt a boy, but that's another story. The Global Women's Leadership Forum, because I'd always been able to do things that I thought I could do, and others apparently thought I could. [00:22:13] Judy Douglass: I looked around a lot and noticed that again, I didn't come from an evangelical Christian background, so I didn't know any of the rules. I just saw, where are the women leading? And so, I just had it that I should see what I could do about it. I first did study and learn some things and when Steve became the U.S. Director, I suddenly had a little more beyond the magazine that was different, and I wasn't doing the magazine because I had two children by then and so I started writing to all of our mothers, encouraging them that God could still use them, even if they've got 5 children at home. [00:23:06] Judy Douglass: There were ways that the ministry could benefit from what they had to offer. And so, I wrote a book called What Can a Mother Do? And it's finding significance at home and beyond. It's still mostly a really good book, things have changed, but as my kids got older and I had a team of people, I didn't have to work all the time. They did a lot of the work, but I began to know a lot of the other women on the field and all of the women in any leadership were called senior women, as opposed to a real title so I just got to know some and grew and studied and got bold. And when Steve became President, he was willing to stand behind me. [00:23:57] Judy Douglass: And we said, we're going to have a global conference to bring together women who have shown potential to lead and help them get started at it. And we called it the global women's leadership forum. And in 2004, so we just celebrated 20 years since this happened. We brought about 400 staff women from all over the world together, for a week in Thailand. And the criteria were potential for leadership or maybe even given some leadership opportunities, but it was not you send whoever the next director's wife unless she shows the potential and we brought them together and we started out and we said your leaders and they all last sticker. [00:24:53] Judy Douglass: And we said no really and we're going to help you start. So, we did a week of training. Some of it was spiritual. We had a wonderful woman, who at 57 left the mission field with her husband and went to seminary and became a professor at Gordon Conwell. And so she came and did our devotions for us. [00:25:14] Judy Douglass:  And Andrea Buczynski, whom I know you've interviewed, was just appointed Global Director of Leadership Development. It took three years for me to convince my husband to tell the board that yes, she would be the Vice President of Global Leadership Development because that's what the previous person's title was. And we weren't nearly as tight and hard to get through as some places are. Anyway, we taught them important skills like leading and bringing a team together and helping people to evaluate themselves and their coworkers and see where they can grow. But we also taught them how to write and how to speak. [00:26:03] Judy Douglass: Everything's just beginning. And how to raise funds, because in Cru, if you want to do stuff, and so they had a wonderful time. We had a fun time with them. They went and rode elephants and things like that. But it was incredible. And all of us, and this is true, I've heard it over and over, had this sense that they were in a holy place. We walked around in this hotel in Chiang Mai, and we could sense God just smiling at his daughters who were believing that they could be more in the kingdom than they thought. And it took a long time to raise the money. I raised the money for it. And to pull together the team that could do it. And when it was almost, when we were just a few months out from doing it, most of the team that was planning it said, this is too big. [00:27:01] Judy Douglass: This is too much. This is going to fail. And then we're going to be embarrassed and it's going to set us back, not move us. And so, the small group of us that were leading it went and talked and prayed and came back and said, God gave us this assignment and we have to do it. And nobody would object as it turned out. It was wonderful that our Director in Switzerland had three women at the conference. They had quotas for their number of staff, and he wrote to me afterwards. He said, if you're going to do things that make anybody else like these three women are now, I'll send anybody because I've never seen such transformation in somebody. [00:27:49] Judy Douglass: And so, it was just believing in them and then beginning to equip them. And then the last thing I'll mention is we said, and if you want to go back to your country or your ministry and begin to start something to train some more people, we have a group of us and various ones of us will come to you and do training. I think we did 40 training sessions in the next two years and right now we have maybe only three global vice presidents who are women, and very capable women. And so that's what drives me more than anything, is to see people become who God made them and do what God has for them.  That vision is what guides me all the time. (If you are reading the transcript, note that we will continue this conversation with Judy next week) Links and Resources JobfitMatters Website NextGen Nonprofit Leadership with Tommy Thomas The Perfect Search - What every board needs to know about hiring their next CEO When You Love a Prodigal: 90 Days of Grace for the Wilderness by Judy Douglas Secrets of Success: God's Lifelines by Judy Douglas Connect tthomas@jobfitmatters.com Follow Tommy on LinkedIn Listen to NextGen Nonprofit Leadership with Tommy Thomas on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify

Almost 200,000 downloads from 125 countries of The Eden Podcast as we completed Year 1 of The Eden Podcast. More than 100 students have completed their study of Tru School Workshops like The Eden Workshop on Genesis 2-3 (see www.Tru316.com/workshop) And so much more! Join us for Part 1 of this fabulous Celebration for Year 1 on the Tru316 Foundation.Some Guests who have appeared on The Eden Podcast this past year. Dr. Mark Strauss, vice chair of the NIV Update Committee, Dr. Carmen Imes, Old Testament Professor at Biola University, Judy Douglass of Cru Women's Ministry, Liz Beyer of CBE International and many more!Join us in the next episodes for our Guest Testimonials and our Keynote Speaker! The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

This is Part 2 of Carolyn Custis James' insights into misread passages on key men and women. The focus is on Deborah, Jael, Barak, Judah and Tamar. Carolyn says: Patriarchy is not the Bible's message. It's the backdrop. The men in these Bible stories weren't following what men are "supposed to do." Instead they were embodying Jesus. Here's her website:https://carolyncustisjames.com. She is the author of numerous books. The latest is Malestrom: How Jesus Dismantles Patriarchy and Redefines Manhood, and she is well-known as the author of Half the Church: Recapturing God's Global Vision for Women. She is also an adjunct faculty member at Missio Seminary and is a consulting editor for Zondervan's Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament. Carolyn Custis James (MA, Biblical Studies) travels extensively as a popular speaker for women's conferences, churches, colleges, seminaries, and other Christian organizations. Her ministry organization, WhitbyForum, promotes thoughtful biblical discussion to help men and women serve God together. Carolyn founded and is president of the Synergy Women's Network. She is a consulting editor for Zondervan's Exegetical Commentary Series on the New Testament and author of When Life and Beliefs Collide and Lost Women of the Bible. Carolyn and her husband live in Sellersville, Pennsylvania. They have one grown daughter.Christianity Today named her in 2013 one of the 50 evangelical women to watch. She speaks regularly at church conferences, colleges, and for other Christian organizations both in the US and abroad and is a guest lecturer at various theological seminaries. She has been interviewed by the Associated Press and National Public Radio. She is the author of numerous books. The latest is Malestrom: How Jesus Dismantles Patriarchy and Redefines Manhood, and she is well-known as the author of Half the Church: Recapturing God's Global Vision for Women.Adjunct faculty member at Missio Seminary and is a consulting editor for Zondervan's Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament. Carolyn serves on the advisory board of Logia—an initiative of the LOGOS Institute at the University of St. Andrews, UK committed to seeing Christian female scholars become more visible and valued in the academy and the church and is on the board of Institute for Bible Reading—dedicated to facilitate and energize a twenty-first century Bible reading movement.

"I prayed to receive Christ when I was 11 years old because nobody had explained how before then," Bruce recalls. When I read the Revised Standard Version of the Bible they gave me I didn't question it. After all, the cover said "Holy Bible." I still don't question what God communicated to us but I have come to understand come to understand there are mis-translation and mis-interpretation issues in Genesis 3:16 and in the related passages on women and men. As the result of the extensive research of my wife, Joy Fleming, PhD, PsyD, and of my own doctoral level studies we have come to understand that God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.This why we have co-founded the Tru316 Foundation which is the home of The Eden Podcast, to "true" the verse of Genesis 3:16 and to spread the POSITIVE message of Eden! (www.Tru316.com)

How did Cru go from little visible participation for women in leadership to now having women serving in the ministry as global 4 of the 7 Global Vice Presidents? This is the Remarkable Judy Douglass Story on The Eden Podcast!Hear her Faith Story, her Ministry Story and her Tru316 Story! Judy is an in-the-book endorser of The Book of Eden by Bruce C. E. Fleming and a welcome advisor to the Tru316 Foundation.Here are Judy Douglass' links:Website: www.JudyDouglass.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-you-love-a-prodigal/id1551846569Would you like to go deeper studying the Tru316 Message? ENROLL NOW to be part of the next Tru School two-week cohort, The Eden Workshop on Genesis 2-3. Here's that link: www.Tru316.com/workshopThe Tru316 Foundation(www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too.Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner HERE: www.Tru316.com/partnerFor just $3.16/month or more our Tru Partners are spreading the Word that God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way. Click www.Tru316.com/partner

Judy's Top 5 CliftonStrengths are:  Developer, Connectedness, Positivity, Strategic & Input Judy Douglass is the founder and host of Prayer for Prodigals, an online community for those who love someone who is making destructive choices. She has served as editor of two Cru (Campus Crusade for Christ) magazines, has authored six books, and speaks all over the world. A writer, speaker, encourager, and advocate, Judy loves to encourage God's children to be and do all that He created them for. A native of Dallas, she graduated from The University of Texas with a degree in journalism. Judy serves as global director of Cru's Women's Resources and partnered with her late husband, Steve, president of Campus Crusade for Christ International, to lead Cru globally for almost 20 years. Judy resides in Orlando, Florida. Learn more at judydouglass.com Find out your strengths by taking the CliftonStrengths Top 5 Assessment   Workshops and Coaching with Barbara Culwell Subscribe & Leave a Review on Embrace Your Strengths    

The Beatles may have sung "All you need is love," but that's a lot easier to sing than live. How do you love someone who is hard to love? Today, we'll hear about how God empowered parents to love prodigal children, friends to love people rejected by society, and enemies in war to come peacefully together.  Judy Douglass    06:01 - 13:43 Josh McDowell   15:15 - 19:09 Bill Sundstrom    25:37 - 30:15   To get the resources we have for you, please go to our webpage.

Peter starts verse 7 on chapter 3 with the word "Likewise" in the Greek text. Likewise what? or who? This is a key to understanding 1 Peter 3:7. This and other keys are covered in this episode of The Eden Podcast and in the book Because of Eden on 1 Corinthians 11 & 14 and 1 Peter 3. Notice the second part of the subtitle that refers to unequally yoked couples: Quotations Refuted and Witnessing Spouses. It is available HERE!Want to be a part of getting the Word out? Become a Tru Partner of the Tru316 Foundation HERE!

Judy Douglass dice que los padres de hijos pródigos necesitan practicar cómo expresar gratitud a Dios. Acompáñanos.

Judy Douglass dice que los padres de hijos pródigos necesitan practicar cómo expresar gratitud a Dios. Acompáñanos.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279340/advertisement

Judy Douglass dice que los padres de hijos prdigos necesitan practicar cmo expresar gratitud a Dios. Ella nos dice que lo primero que sucede cuando decimos gracias en una situacin difcil que no nos gusta, es que nuestro enfoque cambia de lo negativo a lo positivo. No te pierdas la conclusin de esta serie titulada: Cuando se ama a un hijo prdigo, en Aviva Nuestros Corazones. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/1337/29

Judy Douglass dice que los padres de hijos pródigos necesitan practicar cómo expresar gratitud a Dios. Acompáñanos.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279343/advertisement

Judy Douglass nos recuerda que Dios es el único que puede ayudarnos con respecto a nuestros hijos. No te pierdas este episodio.

Hoy continuamos nuestra serie titulada: Cuando se ama a un hijo prdigo, con Judy Douglass. Ella sabe lo que es tener un hijo que est muy lejos de casa, y no solo fsicamente. Hoy nos recuerda que Dios es el nico que realmente sabe lo que va a funcionar para nuestros hijos, lo que los ayudar a regresar, y l es el nico que puede ayudarnos. Aprende ms de esta historia en el episodio de hoy en Aviva Nuestros Corazones. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/1337/29

Judy Douglass nos recuerda que Dios es el único que puede ayudarnos con respecto a nuestros hijos. No te pierdas este episodio.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279343/advertisement

Hoy continuamos nuestra serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass. Ella nos recuerda que debemos bendecir a nuestros hijos.

Hoy continuamos nuestra serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass. Ella nos recuerda que debemos bendecir a nuestros hijos.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279340/advertisement

Hoy continuamos nuestra serie titulada: Cuando se ama a un hijo prdigo, con Judy Douglass. Ella nos recuerda que debemos bendecir a nuestros hijos, sobre todo a un hijo prdigo. Ella dice: Las Escrituras son bastante claras. Nos dicen que debemos bendecir incluso a nuestros enemigos. Y de alguna manera, ese hijo que amas todava parece un enemigo, porque te causa mucho dolor!. Aprende ms de esta historia en el episodio de hoy en Aviva Nuestros Corazones. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/1337/29

Hoy continuamos nuestra serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass. Ella nos recuerda que debemos bendecir a nuestros hijos.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279343/advertisement

Hoy damos inicio a una nueva serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass, quien luchó por amar a su hijo adolescente.

Hoy damos inicio a una nueva serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass, quien luchó por amar a su hijo adolescente.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279340/advertisement

Hoy damos inicio a una nueva serie titulada: Cuando se ama a un hijo prdigo, con Judy Douglass, quien luch por amar a su hijo adolescente. l fue un chico agresivo con constantes problemas en la escuela; ms tarde se uni a una pandilla y tom malas decisiones, una tras otra. Pero Judy recuerda claramente el da en que sinti que el Seor le hablaba acerca de su hijo prdigo. Escucha ms de esta maravillosa historia en el episodio de hoy en Aviva Nuestros Corazones. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/1337/29

Hoy damos inicio a una nueva serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass, quien luchó por amar a su hijo adolescente.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3279343/advertisement

Hoy damos inicio a una nueva serie titulada: «Cuando se ama a un hijo pródigo», con Judy Douglass, quien luchó por amar a su hijo adolescente.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4064350/advertisement

When someone you love goes astray, the pain can be excruciating. But how should you pray? God has lessons he wants to teach us on this topic. Judy Douglass, Pastor Jim Cybala, and Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth explain, on Revive Our Hearts Weekend, with Dannah Gresh and Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/453/29

Recorded LIVE at the Tru316 Foundation Launch Event in Minneapolis. What is the Tru316 Message? Learn the backstory in this Founder's Address by Dr. Joy Fleming. At the end of Dr. Joy Fleming's address we add two Tru Stories of the life changing impact of the work of the Tru316 Foundation.Get involved? Click Tru316.com/partner

This is the year of the prodigals coming home, but how do we love them once they get there? The kindness of God is what woos our hearts to His, and He desires that we use grace to love others similarly. This inspiring episode with ministry leader, podcast host, and author of When You Love A Prodigal, Judy Douglass, will equip and inspire you as you hear of the heart of Jesus for loving every one of us. Hear her testimony of learning to love an adopted prodigal son into wholeness. “God said, I'm going to send you a son, and he will be a gift,” said Douglass. Listen and hear practical steps to love a prodigal while setting boundaries. Hear testimonies of the faithfulness of Jesus from Judy's life and ministry, and listen to the end for powerful prayer. Welcome Home, New Believer Workbook-FREE PDF Download when you enter your email! CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST: Judy Douglass, When You Love A Prodigal Podcast When You Love A Prodigal: 90 Days of Grace for the Wilderness, Facebook,  Instagram LEARN MORE ABOUT: Christina Perera Ministries Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, rate us on iTunes, and sign up for our ministry mailing list to get more encouraging content on our beautiful Savior Jesus and more! SPONSOR: Plexus Living Free- Are you looking to improve your health? Plexus products help you lose weight and balance your body with plant-based supplements. Take control of your health with this quiz and receive 10% off your order and a Free VIP membership for listening to Revealing Jesus. Use code RJ10OFF SOCIAL CONNECT:  Facebook & Instagram  CPM EVENTS & OUTREACHES: Miracles Tour Photos & Contemporary Christian Music Magazine article! RESOURCE: I want to empower you with additional resources to deepen your walk with Jesus!  Chosen: Appointed for Favor, Destined for Greatness- Choose now and declare, “I am chosen!” and watch as the mysteries of heaven are opened to you. ADDITIONAL READING: Kathy Vallotton Encourages You to Encounter Jesus in the Midst of  the Struggle By Christina Perera & Jesus Is Provision You Will Not Lack! By Christina Perera SUPPORT: We cannot bring you this faith-building podcast without your financial gifts. Share the gospel of Jesus Christ by sponsoring an episode of Revealing Jesus!  Support Revealing Jesus and honor your loved one's special day. Get a special on-air dedication to your loved one! CONNECT: If you love the prophetic devotionals, get a free PDF Workbook: Becoming the Bride, when entering your email address.  Sign up to receive a FREE eBook version of Fire In Unity once it is available. It's your turn to join the conversation on Revealing Jesus; tell us your burning questions about Jesus, your favorite Christian leaders, and your testimonies of God's goodness! STORE: Get your favorite gear from the store and help our ministry initiatives unite and reach a hurting world!   

There are moments where we feel out of control and desperate due to situations that are taking place, however, God is unconditionally present. Special Guest Judy Douglass digs in on a series of examples that display God's almost artistic way of working with us through our most difficult times in order to bring flourishing and blessings into our lives. As Psalm 139 says, "All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be;" God is with us from our birth on to eternity.For more information visit: www.kingdomencounters.usThrough the ministry of Kingdom Encounters International , God is moving in powerful ways. From salvations to deliverances, God is on the move! Please continue to celebrate with us our milestone of reaching 500 podcast episodes! More to come.If you are hungry for more of the Lord head over to www.kingdomencounters.us/free where you can get all of our 7 day devotional series for FREE! You can also get your copy of Evangelist Wampler's new book, Audience of ONE: Behold the Lamb here: https://calebwampler.com/store/audience-of-one-behold-the-lamb Stay connected through Evangelist Caleb's social media:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CalebWampler/YouTube: https://youtube.com/evangelistcalebwamplerTo give to what the Lord is doing with Kingdom Encounters International: www.kingdomencounters.us/give

"Woman" This anarthrous noun can stand for a subgroup of women. These women made up the subgroup of women overseers who had gone astray and were being corrected by Timothy in Ephesus and Paul where he was. Not all the men overseers were being corrected because not all were causing angry disputes in church. Not all the women overseers needed to be retrained. Many were professing the Gospel well.Verse 11 is the main idea of verses 11 and 12. Verse 12 is subordinate to it. Verse 11 is Paul's command not to limit these women further than appropriate but to retrain them for service. He continues these instructions down through 1 Timothy 3 as we will see.Go Deeper? Listen to Season Three of The Eden Podcast. Better still get Book Three in The Eden Book Series (forthcoming), Back to Eden, 1 Timothy 2:8-3:16 (Corrected and Retrained by Jesus the Faithful Word).You are invited to begin studying with The Eden Course, Genesis 2-3. Follow the link for the latest price. "Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear, the other passages become clear."

Is there a prodigal son in your life? We long for that happy ending when the son comes to his senses and is met with a celebration! But what about in the waiting?  Join us today with our guest, Judy Douglass, who brings encouragement and helpful insight into this great hardship. Judy is the founder and host of Prayer for Prodigals, an online community for those who love someone who is making destructive choices. She has served as editor of two Cru (Campus Crusade for Christ) magazines, has authored six books, and speaks all over the world. A writer, speaker, encourager, and advocate, Judy loves to encourage God's children to be and do all that He created them for.  "My daughter and I are very close, we used to spend a lot of time together talking about Jesus, praying and singing worship songs, and even went on a mission trip together. But in college, she totally gave up her faith and now she's living a very wordly lifestyle. Though we are still close, and I try to be there for her, sometimes alone at night, I find deep anger rising up in me. I can't seem to get rid of it. Waves of disappointment and sadness sometimes wash over me. How do I get rid of these feelings and have greater peace about the journey God has for her?" CONNECT with Sue and Crown of Beauty InternationalWebsite// Facebook//InstagramSUBMIT your own scenarios or questionsEmail: crownofbeautyinternational@gmail.comFacebook//InstagramSUPPORT His Heartbeat and Crown of Beauty InternationalDonation Page// Cru-Crown of Beauty InternationalVerses Mentioned in the Show:1 Thessalonians 5:18Philippians 4:6Romans 12:2Romans 2:4Luke 15John 16:7James 1:2-4Romans 5:3-5Resources Mentioned in the Show:Judy's WebsiteJudy's PodcastJudy's Devotional - When you love a prodigal Judy's FacebookPrayerforprodigals@gmail.com

If you have a prodigal in your life or are struggling with knowing how to love a difficult person well, this episode is for you. Judy Douglass shares her story of clinging to hope while raising a rebellious child and offers tips on partnering grace with boundaries in any relationship. She and Christine explore the challenge of “speaking the truth in love” and emulating Jesus by living lives that are full of grace AND truth. View Show NotesVisit the WebsiteRead the Blog Connect with ChristineTake the QuizFollow on InstagramSupport the ShowDon't forget to subscribe and leave a positive review to encourage Christine and help other people find this show!Support the show

IT'S MUTUAL! This was Paul's BIG IDEA based on the revelation of the Great Mystery in Ephesians 5:32.In Ephesians 5:33-6:9 Paul presents Part 2 of his illustrative passage on How to be filled with the Spirit (5:18).In verses 19a and 21 he explained that believers teach and correct one another through their speaking and their submitting.Then starting with verse 22 all the way through 6:9 he illustrates how this is done.Christ is the supreme example. As Christ LOVED the church and GAVE Himself for the church (5:25b).Similarly, Christian wives and husbands live like Christ (see the link in Greek with the word "fear" in verse 21 and in 33.There is no hierarchy in the Christian couple living this way. And we would see that easily if we were not influenced by the mistranslation and misinterpretation of Genesis 3:16. This is why we need to true the verse in 3:16 because the Hebrew message is clear: God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way (see Tru316.com).GO DEEPER in the book Beyond Eden, Ephesians 5:15-6:9 by Bruce C. E. Fleming

Are these verses teaching us primarily about marriage? Are they not rather teaching us primarily about Christ and the church? Jesus is one with the church in a joint-body. Jesus is the Savior who gave himself for the church. Jesus loves the church with agape love.Examples of Christ's care are brought up by Paul using other word pictures. For example the way wives and husbands care for and love one another. For example the way a person cares for his or her own body.In this passage we learn how Christ cares for and loves the church. And we learn how we are to care for one another in the church.The discussion in this Episode based on the Study Guide questions that go with Chapter 5 in the book Beyond Eden, Ephesians 5:15-6:9. GO DEEPER 

The meaning of Ephesians 5:22 is discovered in the matrix it is found in. Briefly, Paul turns to the relationship of married Spirit-filled believers to demonstrate how all members of the church build up one another.Christian wives submit to the teaching and admonition they receive from their Spirit-filled husbands. And reciprocally, Christian husbands submit to the teaching and admonition they receive from their Spirit-filled wives.The discussion in this Episode draws from the book Beyond Eden, Ephesians 5:15-6:9. Go Deeper