Podcast appearances and mentions of George Stewart

The OTRNow Radio Program PC_2024-005The Shadow Of Fu Manchu. May 12, 1939. Program #3. Radio Attractions syndication. Sponsored by: Music fill for local commercial insert. Dr. Petrie and the evil Dr. Fu, face to face. Hanley Stafford, Gale Gordon.10983. The Shadow Of Fu Manchu. May 15, 1939. Program #4. Radio Attractions syndication. Sponsored by: Music fill for local commercial insert. A visit to an opium den where Dr. Fu puts and end to Dr. Petrie (??!!). Hanley Stafford, Gale Gordon.  The Great Gildersleeve. August 31, 1941. NBC net. Sponsored by: Kraft Parkay. The first show of the series. Gildersleeve leaves Wistful Vista to visit Summerfield, and winds up staying. See cat. #48648 for the audition program of three months earlier, using the same script. Walter Tetley, Lurene Tuttle, Billy Mills (composer, conductor, billed as "William Randolph"), Jim Bannon (announcer), Verne Smith (commercial spokesman), Harold Peary, Earle Ross, Leonard L. Levinson (writer), Frank Nelson. The Hollywood Theatre Group. "Whirlpool". Sustaining. A newcomer to a Brazilian rubber plantation finds that it's not all it's cracked up to be. A beautiful woman and a poisonous snake add to the danger. Pre-war. Howard Culver, Martha Wilkerson, William GriffisThe Adventures Of Frank Merriwell. September 11, 1948. NBC net. "The Live Ghost". Sustaining. A one-time coach at Yale is plagued by thieves, murderers, and arsonists. Lawson Zerbe, Hal Studer, Elaine Rost, Harlow Wilcox (announcer), Al Hodge, Burt L. Standish (creator).Gangbusters. June 09, 1944. Program #369. Blue Network. "The Case Of The Unknown Killers". Sponsored by: Sloan's Liniment, Nonspi deodorant. The story of "The Broadway and Coney Island Murders." A cop is killed in Coney Island during a holdup. This leads to an exciting shoot-out in a hotel. "Gangbusters Nationwide Clues" follow the story. Fred William Poole: murderer, upper and lower front teeth missing, walks with head down, has two machine guns. Ralph Williams: escaped convict, scar left side forehead, "L.O.V.E." tattoed on four fingers, "1935 O'Donnell" tattoed on forearm. Narrated by "Colonel Schwarzkopf" (by proxy). Arnold Stang, playing a bellhop, does a Sloan's Liniment commercial integrated into the plot. Charles Stark (announcer), Arnold Stang, Phillips H. Lord (producer). The Haunting Hour. 1945. Program #27. NBC syndication, WRVR-FM, New York aircheck. "The People In The House". Sponsored by: Participating sponsors. Syndicated rebroadcast date: January 10, 1974. Herbert Wood (producer, director), Rosa Rio (organist), Tilden Brown (sound effects), Steve Carlin (script supervisor), George Stewart (recording supervisor), Berry Kroeger (narrator). 

On this episode of The Education Concierge Podcast, join us as we highlight George Stewart, a dedicated educator with 16 years of experience and a fervent advocate for quality education. George's journey into education advocacy began with his acceptance into the National Education Association (NEA) Teacher Leadership Institute (TLI). Since completing the program, he's showcased his expertise by presenting at the NEA National Leadership Summit and serving as a TLI capstone reviewer. George's commitment to public education is evident in his collaboration with state legislators, where he actively contributed to writing and introducing education legislation in the Mississippi House of Representatives. His advocacy efforts have notably led to the largest teacher pay raise in Mississippi's history and impactful campaigns surrounding safe drinking water in Jackson. A staunch supporter of community schools and education equity, George has played a crucial role as the MAE representative on the OUR JPS Community Schools Planning Team and the Mississippi NAACP Education Committee. Beyond his teaching career, George is an alum of The Mississippi Black Leadership Institute, founded by Congressman Bennie Thompson, and the Congressional Black Caucus Institute Advocacy and Campaign Institute. Tune in to gain insights from George Stewart's wealth of experience, his journey in education advocacy, and the impactful changes he's spearheaded in the realm of public education. Email: thegs2project@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/educationconcierge/message

Un café con el educador y empresario George Stewart, en donde hablamos sobre la educación de nuestros hijos, el aprendizaje por méritos y la forma de evaluar.

Greg Davis welcomes George Stewart onto the show to talk about the upcoming music festival Lovestock and his show Alabama Gospel Roots. George also talks about memories from the past and some of the people he's met along the way.

In this episode of Real Physician Reacts we will be having a discussion on the white male student by the name of George Stewart who is suing not one or two but 6 different medical schools as he claims that he was not accepted strictly due to his race. Tonight's discussion focuses on another covert challenge against affirmative action & why grades are the only factor in getting into med school. Click here to watch the full video on YouTube Several discussion points today; Who is George Stewart & why he's suing several medical schools Who is really behind the lawsuit I discuss why it would be difficult for me to see him get accepted into school without bias. Links AAMC Data Reports Texas Medical School Lawsuits

Butch Castles is joined by the voice of NZ racecalling, George Stewart!

Determine if Titanic's Sinking marked the beginning of the end for White Star Line. Learn what became of Titanic's 2nd Officer Charles Lightoller. Discover what became of Cunard Line even after Lusitania went down on May 7, 1915. Learn if Cunard Line lost any other ships during First World War besides Lusitania. Find out how strong of a legacy Captain Arthur Rostron had after coming to Titanic Survivors Rescue. Discover what became of Californian after Titanic Tragedy including Leyland Line itself. Learn what became of Cyril Evans, Californian's Wireless Operator, James Gibson, Apprentice Officer, & George Stewart, Chief Officer. Determine if James Bruce Ismay, White Star Line Chairman, ever recovered from Titanic Tragedy. Learn more about Frederick Fleet, Titanic Lookout Man, whom spotted the infamous iceberg. Explore what findings emerged from U.S. & British Inquiries in aftermath of Titanic Tragedy including proposals for new enhanced regulations. Learn importance behind Radio Act of 1912 including creation of International Ice Patrol in 1914. Determine what made Arthur Rostron, Carpathia's Captain, standout as being great despite odds facing him and his crew in hours after midnight April 15, 1912. Understand how 2 Captains per the ships they commanded made decisions which defined their legacies, but in the end one captains' call of honor triumphed while another turned a blind eye. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/kirk-monroe/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/kirk-monroe/support

Me tomé un café con George Stewart (Superintendent de American School Foundation de Monterrey) en su casa en Concord, Massachusetts, y platicamos sobre educación y aprendizaje. Y me enseño a usar la podadora. Had coffee with George Stewart (Superintendent, American School Foundation de Monterrey) at his house in Concord, Massachusetts, and we spoke about education and learning. And he showed me how to use the lawnmower.

Dalane England is joined by George Stewart who is the director of the Pregnancy Resource Center of SLC as well as by Katelynn Quintero who is the Client Services Manager. Pregnancy Resource Center PRCPartnersUt.org --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/loving-liberty/support

The overturning of Roe v. Wade has sparked a polarizing response in our Nation. In this month's episode of Building Bridges with Greg and Jill, they explore the possibility that it could be a unifying moment in history among followers of Christ, and those that value life from start to finish. Along with George Stewart, Director of Pregnancy Resource Center of Salt Lake, they discuss the deceptions in the media and a response that has the power to change the history of our Nation. 

This week's drama, Storm, is episode three from CBS Radio Workshop. From the popular book of the same name, from author George Stewart. Adapted and directed by William N. Robson and narrated by William Conrad. This episode aired February 10, 1956. : : : : : https://otr.duane.media/ (https://otr.duane.media) | email: info@otr.duane.media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/duane.otr/ (@duane.otr) | Twitter: https://twitter.com/duane_otr (@duane_otr) It's 100% free to subscribe & you'll receive new post notifications. Also, if you have a moment, please give a 4-5 star rating and/or write a 1-2 sentence positive review on your preferred service -- that would help me a lot. Thank you for your support.

We have talked about screening but what happens when you get a diagnosis of colon cancer? Can a half hour test save your life? George Stewart, a local man who was surprised by his cancer journey shares his insights about his diagnosis along with board certified gastroenterologist Dr. Ankor Jain. After almost a decade and a half of practicing medicine, he knows the risks of cancer and what all of us can do to prevent it!

In this episode Mr. George Stewart discusses how he advocates for educators through educational policies.  Mr. George Stewart is the president of the Jackson Association of Educators.  For more information about the I AM Impactful series, visit https://iamimpactful.org/ 

Episode: 2156 Earth without people: What would it be without us?  Today, What would happen if we were gone.

In this episode of Welcome To Fatherhood Interviews, Sir Royce Briales and Dr. Raheem Young talk to George Stewart ll.-Husband Father, Brother, Son, Social Impact Leader, Educator teaches middle school, advocacy, NAACP Community Service, Families as Allies about his experiences raising his daughter and autistic son. We also talk about how his dad (now a Minister) was in/out of the home growing up and on drugs and how that impacted him. Thanks for listening and leave a review! George's advice to any father: Be there not just monetarily….be there for mind/body/spirit Discipline with love Be Proactive and not reactive Get in contact with George Stewart ll LinkedIn email Website Get connected with Welcome to Fatherhood: WTF Linktr.ee Be Well. You already are. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wtf-interviews/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/wtf-interviews/support

The AGC Experience podcast features our AGC Talks speakers sharing their message in an audio podcast that you can listen to from anywhere. Listen in to our recent AGC Talks featured guest.  Listen as George Stewart shares a motivational talk The unseen nature of Hope with AGC Minneapolis February 2021 What's makes the great, well - great? While it would be difficult to distill just a few; what must be esteemed as perhaps the most compelling argument would be - vision. Or as I will describe herein as hope; an internal image of possibility not yet visible to the eye, and often contrary to reason. But history is replete with men and women who have imagined something more than they had experienced and through temporary defeat after temporary defeat. Alas, made visible what had long been held as reality within as - Hope. Hope must build, and when disappointment dashes this mental picture. It must be assembled again.  Learning Objectives: What is hope? Can hope be taken away? Who's responsible anyway?  Speaker Bio: Through many a candid conversation, around the platform of grooming. Both my life and those with whom I come in contact with have been and continue to be encouraged onward from what's been most familiar toward that which is much more sublime. This brings us to hope! This marks 26 years of serving in the capacity as a barber, while all the while writing and speaking have been my deeper heart's desire. Hope is the confident expectation of better. And without a deep seated dissatisfaction of some area of life, few, if any, would be compelled upward in service toward others. My name is George P. Stewart III, and it turns out that I am more than just a barber.  AGC Accelerated Global Connections is a business networking organization that helps connect business professionals globally through in person networking, motivational talks, and online social profiles. To learn more about AGC and membership in this growing organization.  Visit https://www.joinagc.com/​ 

Speakers: Logan Lett (0:00), Susie Porier (6:14), Grant Shurtz (10:47), Sarah Hall (16:57), Brittany Marton (23:10), George Stewart (26:50), Ella Hawes (31:00) Natalie Haas (34:31), Matthew Leggett (40:40), Gigi Hanna (45:50), James Boswell (49:50), Thomas Fitch (57:32)

On this episode of the Guilty as Charged Podcast, Steven and Tyler preview the Chargers upcoming matchup with the Buffalo Bills.Plus the analysis of the George Stewart firing, and the potential return of Austin Ekeler and Chris Harris Jr.As always, all ratings or reviews are appreciated! Happy Thanksgiving Bolt Fam!Support the show (https://t.co/vODLzzX1uD?amp=1)

George is an educator, non-profit leader, and public policy advocate who is committed to the academic, social, emotional, and physical development of our youth and their families. He started his service career as a teacher's aide and worked his way up to becoming a certified teacher in the state of Texas and the state of Mississippi. As an urban educator, seeing parents not armed with basic education policy information, recognizing needed system changes in education, and his son’s autism diagnosis, led George to seek opportunities in youth/family advocacy and public policy. An example of his advocacy is his service as board president of the only family run organization, in the state of Mississippi, that supports families who are raising children with mental health and behavioral challenges. This organization serves families all over the state of Mississippi. George has also shown leadership in the public policy arena. He effectively advocated for a bill that was written and introduced in the House of Representative as HB 490 during the 2020 legislative session. HB 490 is a bill that addressed the issue that 50% of children, diagnosed with autism, tend to wander away from their safe space. George received a bachelor’s degree from the University of Southern Mississippi and is currently pursuing a Master’s degree from the New Life Fellowship School of Ministry. He is also a graduate of the Mississippi Black Leadership Institute and the National Education Association’s Teacher Leadership Institute. Last but not least, George is a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. He resides in the Jackson, MS area. To learn more about Families as Allies visit - https://www.faams.org

This episode is a panel discussion facilitated by Mr. Thomas Mayfield. The panel shared their experiences about their journey into the field of education as well as their experiences as an educator. The panel consists of the host, Mr. Mychal Winters, Mr. Jonathan Humphrey, Mr. Jerry Sanders, Mr. Woodrow Price, Mr. George Stewart, II, Mr. Drake Sanders, Mr. Bobby Banks, and Mr. Antonio Harvey. Follow Wins & Lessons Podcast on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/winsandlessonspodcast https://www.instagram.com/thegrowtheducator

This episode is a panel discussion facilitated by Mr. Thomas Mayfield.  The panel shared their experiences about their journey into the field of education as well as their experiences as an educator.  The panel consists of the host, Mr. Mychal Winters, Mr. Jonathan Humphrey, Mr. Jerry Sanders, Mr. Woodrow Price, Mr. George Stewart, II, Mr. Drake Sanders, Mr. Bobby Banks, and Mr. Antonio Harvey.   Follow Wins & Lessons Podcast on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/winsandlessonspodcast https://www.instagram.com/thegrowtheducator

I had the opportunity to have a conversation with George Stewart II about his work as a teacher leader, his advocacy work both at the local and state level, and being an agent of change. I also allowed him to have some time to share his feelings about George Floyd and what predominantly white schools can do to help promote allyship. George actually helped get a bill to support autistic students on to the House floor in Mississippi. George can be found at https://www.twitter.com/gstew2 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Nearly 40 years and you haven't changed a bit- NOT! After putting in a collective 36 years of service, the makeup of the Provo City Council is changing dramatically in January. 4 council members will be retiring from office: Gary Winterton, Kay Van Buren, Dave Knecht, and George Stewart. Hear their perspective on how the city HAS changed, and their thoughts on what they've worked to bring to their community over the years as they speak with host and ULCT Executive Director Cameron Diehl.

The numbers are out there. Autism affects children and their families at a rate of 1 in 58. But that is not the only disability that can affect your precious family. The impacts on children and their families can be profound. How can a person move from thinking “why me, why my child” to acceptance and joy in the difference. Today we sit down with a author, and educator George Stewart, a parent who was not only able to do that but was able to reach out to others. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Part two of the paranormal episode with George Stewart. He talks how and why he joined a paranormal investigation team, his most craziest and scariest stories. Enjoy and FROWN LESS. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/dylan-hodge/support

Part one of the paranormal episode with George Stewart. He talks how and why he joined a paranormal investigation team, his most craziest and scariest stories. Enjoy and FROWN LESS. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/dylan-hodge/support

George Stewart is here and he brings laughs. He talks about his music. Enjoy and FROWN LESS. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/dylan-hodge/support

No one goes into The Headmaster's Cave. George Stewart is no hero, but when his friend disappears he must confront his deepest fears to rescue Dougie and finally uncover the mystery of The Headmaster's Cave. The 100th anniversary of the disappearance of seven children and their Headmaster is approaching. The knowledge that the infamous Headmaster Henry Morris, George’s ancestor, may have been implicated in their disappearance has haunted his family for generations. When George and Dougie receive an unexpected email stating that the mystery has been finally solved, Dougie and Katie try to persuade George to journey with them. But not even the enticement of uncovering the mystery can tempt George to follow the word of a stranger to the dangerous and ‘haunted’ cave. Only when Dougie goes missing, will George and his friend Katie, accompanied with his dog Flanagan, journey to rescue their friend. On their way, they must not only battle their fears, but overcome the local bullies, nature's deadly obstacles, and Old Maggie and her dog pack. But that’s nothing compared to the terror that awaits them in The Headmaster's Cave, when the mystery is finally revealed. Link to the book: https://amzn.to/2QyoDlw

George Stewart II is an educator, author, mentor, ordained minister, and youth/family advocate. He is quickly becoming a “go to” person and trusted voice on issues such as youth development, education, spirituality, and fatherhood. George has experienced great success as a classroom teacher, but his work does not end when the bell rings. Besides partnering with “The Call Me Mister Program” to serve as a mentor to future young black male educators, he has developed a school board approved afterschool program for at risk boys, develops and facilitates male empowerment and fatherhood curriculums, and speaks at community events and conferences. Finally, George a member of the board of directors of state organization Mississippi Families as Allies. It’s the only family-run statewide organization for parents and caregivers of children with mental health challenges. George’s motto is “Doing it With The Next Generation in Mind .” --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/confessions-of-a-melanated-queen/support

African American Dr. Reginald Weir competes in U.S. Indoor Lawn Tennis Championship. When a New Yorker named Dr. Reginald Weir signed up to play indoor lawn tennis at a national tournament scheduled for March 11, 1948, it raised no eyebrows. The organizers failed to block him for the simple reason that it never occurred to them that a black man might have the title of a physician. Thus, red-faced officials ended up letting him play, even though blacks at the time were banned from U.S. Indoor Lawn Tennis Association events. Unfortunately for Weir, however, he lost in the second round to the fellow who won the championship, Bill Talbert. Having broken the race barrier, Weir continued to compete, and in 1952, he and a fellow black player, George Stewart, became the first black men to play in the USLTA national championship. Although both men lost in their first round, they inspired other black pioneers of tennis, perhaps including Arthur Ashe. It was Ashe who won the U.S. Open in 1968, throwing open the gates for black men and women to excel in the sport. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

In this 75th anniversary special episode of CNA Talks, Executive Vice President Mark Geis leads a discussion on the historical significance of the U.S. Navy's newest carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, and CNA's role in the planning for it over the years. He is joined by experts Dr. Tim Roberts, Dr. George Stewart, and Admiral William Fallon. CNA analysts spent two decades helping to plan for the USS Ford, which was delivered to the Navy this year. Listen to experts discuss the concept, capabilities and possible missions of the Ford-class ships.  Go to www.cna.org/CNAtalks to learn more about the participants and other CNA Talks episodes.

This week on The Bigio Brothers Podcast, Victor (calling in from what sounds like an underground bunker) makes a case for Case in the brewing Vikings quarterback conundrum. David has a serious case of adulation for the Saints. And Maurice pleads his case for the most fascinating team in the NFL. We also ask the burning question after week 10: Who are George Stewart and Brock Olivo and why do they still have jobs? Case closed.

Live from the Road: Lynette meets George Stewart who recounts some fond memories of his own road trip from the 1960s. He reinforces the idea that traveling changes your perspective, your person, your life. Today's takeaway: Book a trip! http://5ed.8db.myftpupload.com/

East Bay is under threat of development and the discussion has been behind closed doors. Provo City Councilman Kay Van Buren is bringing sunshine to this process, starting with a rally at East Bay so that the public can start to be heard. Here's a link to a great article about this by Dick Harmon of the Deseret News -- http://bit.ly/2ybadiy. If you care about this great and meaningful course, and I know you do, now is the time to raise your voice. Please call or write to: Mayor John Curtis -- 801.852.6105 City Council Office -- 801.852.6120 Council Member Kay Van Buren -- 801.420.0743, kay.provocouncil@gmail.com Council Member Gary Winterton -- 801.372.6633, glwinterton@gmail.com Council Member Kim Santiago -- 801.836.3008, kimsant43@gmail.com Council Member Dave Knecht -- 801.921.7794, provostsouthdave@gmail.com Council Member Dave Harding -- 801.310.9970, dharding@provo.org Council Member Dave Sewell -- 801.341.0463, davesewellprovo@gmail.com George Stewart -- 801.341.0463, georgejoannastewart@yahoo.com  

Sam Ekstrom and Sage Rosenfels discuss yet another Vikings coaching change. They also break down the seasons of Alex Boone and Terence Newman and begin previewing the Super Bowl. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Get out your umbrellas -- it's raining pitchforks and . . . bullfrogs? This week, it's odd expressions that mean "a heavy downpour." Also, holistic vs. wholistic, recurrence vs. reoccurrence, flash drive vs. thumb drive, whether it's good or bad to be jacked up, stomach Steinways and bunheads, and the origin of listless. And not to mince words, but what does the expression "not to mince words" really mean? FULL DETAILSIn what profession would you deal with clams, footballs, hairpins, and axes? They're all slang terms used by classical musicians. What's the origin of the term listless? Does it mean you can't find the piece of paper with the groceries you need? No. Listless shares a root with the English word lust. In its most literal sense, listless means "without lust," or "lacking want or desire."Is being jacked up a good thing or a bad thing? It depends. To jack up means "to raise up," as with a car on a lift. But jack up also has a negative meaning, perhaps deriving from hijack or blackjack, suggesting that something's been hurt or cheated. Our Quiz Master John Chaneski has some answers to classic songs in this week's puzzle about song titles in question form. For example, the answer "Because they're too dumb to stay out of it" answers the musical question from Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?"What do we mean by the expression not to mince words? The New York Times' Paul Krugman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/opinion/krugman-europes-economic-suicide.html often uses this idiom meaning "to be straightforward and blunt." The verb mince means "to make small," and is a linguistic relative of such words as diminish, miniature, and minute. Mincing is what you do when you're cutting onions into small pieces or diminishing the force of your speech by using euphemisms. In an earlier episode http://www.waywordradio.org/horse-you-rode-in-on/, we discussed various meanings for the term stove up. One meaning of stove up is "to be in pain from work or exercise to the point where it's hard to move." Similarly, lots of athletes will get stoved fingers from getting them jammed with volleyballs or baseballs. Do you store files on a flash drive, a thumb drive, a USB stick -- or perhaps on a monkey? What do you call the little device that holds flash memory and goes into the USB drive of a computer. Some come in wild forms http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/50-weirdest-usb-flash-drives-ever/, like sushi or animals.Did you ever take lessons to play the stomach Steinway? You know, the accordion? That's another bit of musicians' slang sent in by a listener, along with the term bunhead http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/bunhead/, which means "a ballet dancer." Which is the better term, recurrence or reoccurrence? A look at the corpus of American literature confirms that recurrence is far and away the more commonly used word denoting "something that occurs more than once." Some dictionaries don't even have entries for reoccurrence. An old book of Virginia folk sayings contains such gems as "It's as old as my tongue and a little older than my teeth," and "He can't spell A-B-L-E."Is crick a Southern term? Surprisingly, crick, as in creek, is mostly used in New England and the Great Lakes region. The Northeast is also where you'll find people smoking boges, or boags. Both words for "cigarette," apparently derive from the verb "to bogart," discussed in an earlier episode http://www.waywordradio.org/bogarting-bangers/. What do you call a fierce rainfall? There are lots of vivid terms in this country besides it's raining cats and dogs. Some Americans say It's raining pitchforks and hoehandles, or raining pitchforks and bullfrogs. Or they might call a heavy rain a toadstrangler, a ditchworker, or stumpwasher. In other countries http://www.omniglot.com/language/idioms/rain.php, this kind of cacophonous rain is denoted by lots of picturesque phrases involving imaginary falling things, including chair legs, female trolls, ropes, jugs -- and even husbands.If something pertains to a whole system or body, is it holistic or wholistic? Despite that tempting "w," holistic is the correct term. It's an example of folk etymology http://books.google.com/books/about/Folk_etymology.html?id=e0wHAAAAQAAJ, the result of looking at the word whole and assuming that wholistic is the proper correlative. If something's soft and fuzzy, why not call it suvvy? Grant collected that bit of slang during a recent appearance in Potsdam, NY. http://readme.readmedia.com/SUNY-Potsdam-Hosts-First-Ever-Lougheed-Kofoed-Festival-of-the-Arts/3807415Everyone knows New Yorkers and Angelenos, but what do you call someone from Sheboygan, Wisconsin? Demonyms, or the names for people from a given place, can get pretty complicated, but there are seven rules as drawn by George Stewart http://nancyfriedman.typepad.com/away_with_words/demonyms/, and Paul Dickson's book Labels for Locals http://books.google.com/books/about/Labels_for_Locals.html?id=MJpt4QCXWWoC has lots of other answers.An old Chinese proverb says, he who asks a question is a fool for a minute. He who does not remains a fool forever.This week's episode was hosted by Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett.....Support for A Way with Words also comes from National University, which invites you to change your future today. More at http://www.nu.edu/.And from The Ken Blanchard Companies, whose purpose is to make a leadership difference among executives, managers, and individuals in organizations everywhere. 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Get out your umbrellas -- it's raining pitchforks and . . . bullfrogs? This week, it's odd expressions that mean "a heavy downpour." Also, holistic vs. wholistic, recurrence vs. reoccurrence, flash drive vs. thumb drive, whether it's good or bad to be jacked up, stomach Steinways and bunheads, and the origin of listless. And not to mince words, but what does the expression "not to mince words" really mean? FULL DETAILSIn what profession would you deal with clams, footballs, hairpins, and axes? They're all slang terms used by classical musicians.What's the origin of the term listless? Does it mean you can't find the piece of paper with the groceries you need? No. Listless shares a root with the English word lust. In its most literal sense, listless means "without lust," or "lacking want or desire."Is being jacked up a good thing or a bad thing? It depends. To jack up means "to raise up," as with a car on a lift. But jack up also has a negative meaning, perhaps deriving from hijack or blackjack, suggesting that something's been hurt or cheated. Our Quiz Master John Chaneski has some answers to classic songs in this week's puzzle about song titles in question form. For example, the answer "Because they're too dumb to stay out of it" answers the musical question from Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?"What do we mean by the expression not to mince words? The New York Times' Paul Krugman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/opinion/krugman-europes-economic-suicide.html often uses this idiom meaning "to be straightforward and blunt." The verb mince means "to make small," and is a linguistic relative of such words as diminish, miniature, and minute. Mincing is what you do when you're cutting onions into small pieces or diminishing the force of your speech by using euphemisms. In an earlier episode http://www.waywordradio.org/horse-you-rode-in-on/, we discussed various meanings for the term stove up. One meaning of stove up is "to be in pain from work or exercise to the point where it's hard to move." Similarly, lots of athletes will get stoved fingers from getting them jammed with volleyballs or baseballs. Do you store files on a flash drive, a thumb drive, a USB stick -- or perhaps on a monkey? What do you call the little device that holds flash memory and goes into the USB drive of a computer. Some come in wild forms http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/50-weirdest-usb-flash-drives-ever/, like sushi or animals.Did you ever take lessons to play the stomach Steinway? You know, the accordion? That's another bit of musicians' slang sent in by a listener, along with the term bunhead http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/bunhead/, which means "a ballet dancer." Which is the better term, recurrence or reoccurrence? A look at the corpus of American literature confirms that recurrence is far and away the more commonly used word denoting "something that occurs more than once." Some dictionaries don't even have entries for reoccurrence. An old book of Virginia folk sayings contains such gems as "It's as old as my tongue and a little older than my teeth," and "He can't spell A-B-L-E."Is crick a Southern term? Surprisingly, crick, as in creek, is mostly used in New England and the Great Lakes region. The Northeast is also where you'll find people smoking boges, or boags. Both words for "cigarette," apparently derive from the verb "to bogart," discussed in an earlier episode http://www.waywordradio.org/bogarting-bangers/. What do you call a fierce rainfall? There are lots of vivid terms in this country besides it's raining cats and dogs. Some Americans say It's raining pitchforks and hoehandles, or raining pitchforks and bullfrogs. Or they might call a heavy rain a toadstrangler, a ditchworker, or stumpwasher. In other countries http://www.omniglot.com/language/idioms/rain.php, this kind of cacophonous rain is denoted by lots of picturesque phrases involving imaginary falling things, including chair legs, female trolls, ropes, jugs -- and even husbands.If something pertains to a whole system or body, is it holistic or wholistic? Despite that tempting "w," holistic is the correct term. It's an example of folk etymology http://books.google.com/books/about/Folk_etymology.html?id=e0wHAAAAQAAJ, the result of looking at the word whole and assuming that wholistic is the proper correlative. If something's soft and fuzzy, why not call it suvvy? Grant collected that bit of slang during a recent appearance in Potsdam, NY. http://readme.readmedia.com/SUNY-Potsdam-Hosts-First-Ever-Lougheed-Kofoed-Festival-of-the-Arts/3807415Everyone knows New Yorkers and Angelenos, but what do you call someone from Sheboygan, Wisconsin? Demonyms, or the names for people from a given place, can get pretty complicated, but there are seven rules as drawn by George Stewart http://nancyfriedman.typepad.com/away_with_words/demonyms/, and Paul Dickson's book Labels for Locals http://books.google.com/books/about/Labels_for_Locals.html?id=MJpt4QCXWWoC has lots of other answers.An old Chinese proverb says, he who asks a question is a fool for a minute. He who does not remains a fool forever.....Support for A Way with Words also comes from National University, which invites you to change your future today. More at http://www.nu.edu/.We're also grateful for support from the University of San Diego. Since 1949, USD has been on a mission not only to prepare students for the world, but also to change it. 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You may find some of these resources of particular interest:The First 100 Persons Who Shaped Southern Nevada: This site includes biographies of 100 of the most influential people in the history of Southern Nevada.Online Nevada Encyclopedia: A collection on encyclopedic entries relating to Nevada history along with collections of digitized artifacts.Southern Nevada: The Boomtown Years: This is the portal for the University of Nevada, Las Vegas' digitized collection of resources relating to the Southern Nevada boomtown era (1880s-1920). It includes a collection of teacher resources including primary source-based lesson plans for all grade levels.For a particular interest in the Donner Party, review these resources:The Emigrants Guide to Oregon & California by Lansford HastingsDiary of Patrick BreenInteractive MapOrdeal by Hunger: The Story of the Donner Party by George StewartThe Donner Party, a PBS Video by Ric BurnsThe Donner Party Chronicles: A Day-by-Day Account of a Doomed Wagon Train, 1846-47 by Frank Mullen, Jr.Statistics and Maps (Source Unknown; please advise if you can identify the source)

We recorded Live From the Formosa Tea House: Episode 3 this afternoon. And because the Formosa Tea House is closed until February 24th, we switched locations and recorded here in the lounge at 84 Fitzroy St. in Charlottetown. This episode features the best audio yet, with three microphones running into a mixing board running into my iBook. We missed the delivery of the iced tea and dumplings, though. In this episode you’ll hear: Talk about travel. My trip to Croatia last fall, Dan’s trip to Peru coming up this spring, and Steven’s trips to San Francisco and upcoming honeymoon trip to Europe. We also talk a lot about travel in general, using the Internet to make reservations, and the differences between being a tourist and being a visitor. News of the new Queen Street Commons project that silverorange and others are working on at 224 Queen St. in Charlottetown. Random musings about the nature of web design work vs. “creating real things.” Special bonus “I always thought I’d be an architect” musings from me. An update on the Firefox web browser from Steven, including his description of the night Firefox 1.0 was released. A Google Alerts success story involving a sunken schooner. The Live From the Formosa Tea House RSS Feed has been updated; it’s got the MP3 of this episode included as an enclosure for all you podcatchers. Traditionalists can still grab the audio from the web like normal. Enjoy. Update: Dan has posted photos of our “recording studio.” Update in March, 2017: thanks to the generosity of Scribie, we now have a complete transcript of this episode of Live from the Formosa Tea House. Transcript 0:00:01 Speaker 1: Today on Live From the Formosa Tea House, talking about travel. 0:00:06 Dan James: The mannerisms and the behaviors of the people down there were just so much more friendly. 0:00:09 S1: The Queens Street Commons. 0:00:10 Steven Garrity: And so what we’ve been trying to do is take some of the money that we’ve been generating with our web development company and turn it into real world things. 0:00:18 S1: How and why we work. 0:00:20 Peter Rukavina: And I realized that deep in my heart of hearts I had always maintained the illusion that I was someday gonna be an architect. 0:00:27 S1: A Firefox update. 0:00:28 DJ: It ended up that it was like 4:00 in the morning for me and I had prepared the changes to the front page of the mozilla.org website. 0:00:36 S1: And a Harold Stephens schooner update. 0:00:38 PR: And it was about Third Sea and Third Sea sinking in the harbor off Olympia, Washington. 0:00:44 S1: From the lounge at 84 Fitzroy Street, here’s Live From the Formosa Tea House for January 31, 2005. 0:00:52 S?: Go. 0:00:54 PR: I’m Peter Rukavina. 0:00:55 DJ: I’m Dan James. 0:00:57 SG: And I’m Steven Garrity. 0:00:57 PR: And we’re here at 84 Fitzroy Street which is our co-corporate home. I am a tenant and they are the lords of the manor [chuckle] and the Formosa Tea House, we should explain, is closed for an entire month which has rocked our world but not prevented us from podcasting. So we’re back after a long absence because they’re closed. 0:01:18 DJ: Are we really podcasting? Steven you’re against the term… 0:01:22 SG: I would like to make a note that I’m humiliated by the term podcasting. It’s just so goofy that I can’t bear to say it with a straight face. 0:01:29 PR: I find no goofiness in it as all. I’m very proud of it. 0:01:31 SG: I always struggle with the word ‘blog’ too. I always try to say weblog when I could, although I kind of gave up because it became… 0:01:38 PR: Of course this is from the guy who has a radio show on the internet. 0:01:41 SG: Yeah. Well I guess there really is no radio involved, is there? 0:01:45 PR: No. 0:01:45 DJ: So tell us about your fans of your radio show. 0:01:48 SG: I don’t think we should get into that. [chuckle] 0:01:50 DJ: Not on our [0:01:50] agenda? 0:01:51 PR: We’re very organized today. Steven has typed up an outline of the show today. 0:01:57 SG: I copied and pasted it. 0:01:58 PR: Yeah, so we’re gonna start talking about travel because one way or another we’ve all been or will be traveling. Where do we wanna start? 0:02:07 SG: Maybe you could start by telling us about your trip to Europe. 0:02:13 PR: Well my father and I went to… In October, went on a sort of father-son bonding pilgrimage trip to Croatia, and he… 0:02:21 DJ: Why Croatia? 0:02:22 PR: Well, that’s where my grandfather’s from, and 30 years before in the early ’70s he had gone with his father so I was going with my father now, so there was sort of some nice symmetry to that. We were looking for our family roots and getting to know one another as adults and it was lots of fun. We flew to London and then we flew easyJet to Ljubljana and we were there for a night and then we were in Croatia for about five days and then took the ferry across the Adriatic to Italy and then flew back on Ryanair from Italy to London. If nothing else we got to know one another a little more and I gained 13 great-aunts and uncles that I never knew I had. 0:03:02 DJ: Wow. How did you go about finding people? 0:03:05 PR: It was weird. It was all improvisational. My father speaks a little Croatian so we could sort of make due that way and we had a little bit to go on. Our only surviving blood relative in Canada, unfortunately, had a stroke, more unfortunately for him, but had a stroke two years ago and can’t speak. So all our ability to find out from him… He would be the guy who had… Most recently there. All our ability to find out from him was lost, so we talked to his ex-wife and she gave us a little bit to go on. But ultimately the most successful part of the trip in terms of finding relatives is we went to the Catholic parish in PerušIć in Croatia and talked to the priest there who pulled out these dusty records and found my grandfather and his father and his brothers and his sisters. And it was all just a series of related happenstance-y events. 0:04:00 DJ: Sounds like a good movie. 0:04:01 PR: Yeah it would be a good movie. 0:04:02 SG: It would be a buddy movie. 0:04:03 PR: Yeah, yeah. Father son genealogical comedy. 0:04:07 SG: With Tom Hanks and Macaulay Culkin. [laughter] 0:04:12 PR: Thank you for comparing me to Macaulay Culkin, or do I get to play Tom Hanks? 0:04:15 SG: No, sorry. [chuckle] 0:04:17 PR: Anyway, the other thing I thought it would be useful to mention here in a webby sort of way is that, we flew from London to Slovenia on easyJet and then we flew back from Italy to London on Ryanair, both of which are the sort of discount carriers. If you’re in the US they’re sort of Southwest-like, if you’re in Canada they’re Jetsgo-like. They really have rocked travel in Europe. It used to be if you were a budget traveller in Europe you would take the train or you would hitch-hike maybe if you were even more a budget traveller and now neither of those make sense. It’s literally more expensive to hitch-hike than it is to fly. 0:04:51 SG: Now, my understanding, just I read a Wired article about Ryanair a while back, was that they’ve managed to circumvent a lot of the costs of the larger airlines by flying to lower traffic airports and cities, is that right? 0:05:05 PR: Yeah, if they were flying to PEI they’d fly to Summerside not Charlottetown. 0:05:08 SG: And avoid the costly Charlottetown airport. 0:05:11 PR: Yeah. 0:05:11 DJ: Busy metropolis. 0:05:13 PR: Well what they do is they convince… They’d go to Summerside and they say, “Do you want us to fly tourists into Summerside? Okay, then we’ll pay no taxes,” and they basically strike deals with smaller towns who want to drive tourists there. It works, we flew from Ancona, Italy which I think it cost us $60 each or something to go to London which was like a good hour and a half or two flight. 0:05:35 SG: Now, I was discussing this with our friend Nick, who’s living in Paris right now and he gave me a bit of a heads up that you have to watch out that though the flights can be cheap, getting to and from the airports without transportation can be a little bit difficult, whereas the train usually goes straight into the center of the city. But you didn’t really run into that, you said? 0:05:54 PR: Well the thing is where you run into that, is in London because you traditionally if you’re flying on Air Canada, from Canada you land at Heathrow and the budget airlines go from Gatwick or Stansted, which are two airports located, it’s basically on the other sides of London, so you have to get there somehow, which either means taking a bus which takes an hour and a half to Stansted or you have to go into London or out of London on rail. So you probably spend, because you have to convert from pounds and everything you might spend $50 or $60 getting around London. But in Italy, it cost us $1.35 to get to the airport on the airport bus. 0:06:26 SG: So it really just depends on the city. 0:06:28 PR: Yeah. Yeah. And you’re gonna face that with airlines. So if you’re comparing airlines to airlines it’s certainly cheaper. And what you get on both easyJet and Ryanair is basically no service. No service for free I should say, because you can actually buy a better selection of snacks arguably than you can on Air Canada. And they really do, especially on Ryanair there was a whole big shopping… You could buy watches and remote control cars. 0:06:55 SG: Does anybody do that? Those are weird. 0:06:57 PR: Well, I think they were looking for change and stuff, so I’m sure there’s a big market in the guilty parents or grandparents going on a vacation. 0:07:06 SG: That’s what it is. 0:07:07 DJ: I forgot to buy my significant other… 0:07:09 SG: I was away on my anniversary so… 0:07:11 PR: But I’ve read articles to suggest that on Ryanair especially… And Ryanair often will fly you for a pound, plus the airport taxes. And they do that because they make it all up on the residuals. They sell you snacks bars, and coffee and they’re gonna start selling you presumably movies, and voice over IP calls, or Wi-Fi, or whatever in the future. But it really does mean you can… Like we’re thinking of going to Europe in the spring and all we’re gonna do is get to London in advance, and then we’ll just decide which countries we want to after that and we’ll just go… 0:07:44 SG: And getting to London isn’t that difficult anymore either. 0:07:46 PR: No. No. There’s a couple airlines that do that there too. 0:07:50 DJ: Do we wanna move on to your next topic about Europe or do we… 0:07:54 PR: Well, I guess that part of it and we can segue from that and talk about your travels too. Because I think the thing about Europe in my life, and you can tell me whether this is true for you, but I can remember one or two times in my life where I received as a kid, a long-distance call, or my parents received a long-distance call from Europe. And it was like the biggest thing that would happen that year. And you would have to talk really fast, ‘cause you were probably paying like $8 a minute or something. And I think that, plus the fact that it took so long to mail to Europe, plus the fact that nobody ever went to Europe in the middle class really, it just meant that it was so far away that you would never go there. And now, especially when you live in, PEI you’re basically you’re closer to Europe than you are to Vancouver and Winnipeg and all those sorts of places. 0:08:42 SG: Both in terms of time and in cost of travel. 0:08:43 PR: Yeah, yeah. We could get in a car right now, fly to Halifax, get on an airplane tonight that leaves at 9:00 and we would be in London tomorrow morning. And that would basically be at 3 o’clock our time. People will go to Halifax for the weekend, for sometimes $300 or $400 more per person they could go to London for a week. It’s not something you would do every week, but it really does put European travel for me in a category which is less of a once-in-a-lifetime type experience and into something that you might do every year if you [0:09:16] . 0:09:16 DJ: Yeah. So instead of going and backpacking around Europe for two months you’d go for a week to one country, come back the next year, another country. 0:09:24 PR: Yeah. 0:09:25 SG: That’s something we’ve talked about before. I think people… It’s kind of a Canadian thing to go backpacking in Europe, or maybe it’s a North American thing. 0:09:34 DJ: With your Tim Hortons mug. 0:09:35 SG: Yeah. [chuckle] But that takes a significant amount of time to dedicate, and for me I’ve always pushed off going to Europe because I wasn’t ready to spend three months hiking around, but now that it’s so inexpensive it does make sense to just go for a week. 0:09:54 PR: Well it means you can go to Europe and not have to have a good time because you can go back. [chuckle] But it’s not your one time in your life that you’re gonna go there. 0:10:01 SG: That’s a good way to put it actually, yeah. 0:10:02 PR: Okay well, talk about where you’re travelling. 0:10:08 DJ: Last year on my honeymoon, my wife Becky and I went to Costa Rica and we thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. We found that the mannerisms and the behaviors of people down there were just so much more friendly and outgoing than they are here. We just loved the area. So this year we decided we’re gonna go down to Peru for two weeks and we’re gonna cover a lot of the country, mainly the middle of the country and the southern half of the country and just really go and do the tourist thing. But doing the tourist thing in Peru is a lot different than doing the tourist thing in Washington, DC or London or something like that. So there’s two of us going and four friends are going as well, and we’re going to Colca Canyon which is the second deepest canyon in the world, it’s twice as deep as the Grand Canyon. 0:10:57 PR: Wow. Are you gonna be in it? 0:11:01 DJ: No. Well, I think actually we do stay in the valley of the canyon one night, and there’s hot springs and things like that, and then the second day of the tour of that area, it’s called, ‘Cruz del Condor’, pardon my horrible Spanish. And you go up to the top of the canyon, I think it’s 15,000 feet you’re at, and you watch Condors circle up from the valley floor and there’s apparently 60, 70 Condors at a time going up so it’s pretty cool. 0:11:29 SG: Condors are big birds? 0:11:30 DJ: They’re the largest birds in the world actually up to 11-foot wing spans I think. 0:11:34 SG: Holy crap! 0:11:35 DJ: They’re massive ugly vultures. 0:11:37 PR: You’re making all the arrangements for this trip online? 0:11:40 DJ: Yeah. We haven’t talked to a human being at all. 0:11:44 PR: Is there a language problem there, in a… 0:11:48 DJ: There is poor broken English on a lot of the sites. Peru is, unlike Costa Rica or the Central American Spanish countries there’s no English in Peru or very little English in Peru. Most things are Spanish only. The airline in Peru does have an English version of its website, and a lot of the tourist destinations do have broken English versions of their website. But it’s gonna be pretty much Spanish. So there will definitely be a language barrier. For booking online, we’ve used travel guides like Lonely Planet, Frommer’s, and all of those things, so we’ve been able to identify places that we can communicate with via e-mail… 0:12:24 PR: So just as an example, like Thursday night when you’re gonna be there, have you booked a place to stay? 0:12:30 DJ: We’ve booked all of our accommodations. 0:12:33 PR: And traditionally, do you go and fill out a form or do you send them e-mail, or how does that work? 0:12:39 DJ: It depends on the hotel. There’s one hotel, it’s actually more of a hostel/hotel, in there they don’t really have a lot of, in our price range, a lot of hotels going, like a Holiday Inn. It’s mainly run by small families. Some of them have forms but I think they’re just e-mail forms. 0:12:56 PR: I’m just trying to think of what a small family is. [chuckle] 0:13:00 DJ: Sorry, yeah, whatever. You fill out a form, but I’m pretty sure that form just e-mails them anyway, because you usually get an e-mail back. 0:13:05 PR: So you do have some communication with them? 0:13:07 DJ: Some communication, yeah. 0:13:08 PR: Oh, that’s great. 0:13:09 DJ: And then, of course booking flights and things, that’s always done through websites. 0:13:13 PR: Yeah. So why Peru? 0:13:18 DJ: We wanted to go to a country in South America, and there was a really good deal at a bookstore we were at with the Frommer’s to Peru. [chuckle] And so, it was the first one we picked up, and we kinda liked it. I like mountains, most people know that, and the Andes are in Peru, which is fantastic. We’re going to Machu Picchu, which is kind of a hill… 0:13:39 PR: So, you’re like a mountain groupie. 0:13:41 DJ: Yeah, I’m like a mountain groupie. This year at the Andes, next year the Himalayas… 0:13:45 PR: Well, that’s an interesting question because if you are a relatively, in the world context, wealthy North American and can afford to basically go anywhere now in the world, which is not true, certainly of my parent’s generation, both economically and logistically, it means that you can go anywhere so you can get sort of paralysed by that. Like how do you choose, ‘cause you’re not gonna be able to fill the… 0:14:09 DJ: Overrun by choice too. 0:14:11 PR: Yeah. And we went to Czechoslovakia in 1998 because I liked a building in Prague. [chuckle] 0:14:18 PR: But it was just… You had to pick somehow. 0:14:20 DJ: Yeah. And again, the low cost of travel, we used Flyer Points to book our tickets down, but some of the people we’re going with just bought tickets. And they were $798 return from Charlottetown. 0:14:32 PR: To Peru? 0:14:33 DJ: To Lima, Peru. 0:14:33 PR: Wow! 0:14:33 SG: That’s incredible. 0:14:35 DJ: Yeah. And that’s like Air Canada straight. Charlottetown Toronto, direct Toronto, Peru direct. 0:14:42 PR: It’s interesting, I did a e-mail interview which I haven’t published yet with George Stewart, a local travel agent, and one of the questions I asked him, I sort of assumed that in his case, he’d be booking a lot of trips to Cuba, and the Dominican Republic, and maybe some trips to Europe. 0:14:56 DJ: All inclusive resort stuff. 0:14:57 PR: Yeah. But that Islanders wouldn’t be really adventurous travellers, but he said that’s… You couldn’t believe… That’s the furthest from the truth, like islanders go everywhere. He books trips to Africa, and all sorts of places. And maybe it’s just Islanders don’t talk about travelling very much but he said he would see the same profile here as you would anywhere, at a big city travel agency. 0:15:18 DJ: One of the things about Peru that appeals to us is just it’s not Europe, in that it’s a lot cheaper to, once you get there, you can really do quite well on $25, $30 a day, whereas… And that’s staying in single rooms with private bathrooms, and breakfast included in the morning, things like that. So if you go to Europe, I find that you can stay in a hostel for quite a bit cheaper but you’re level of service, I guess kinda declines from there. 0:15:47 PR: Well, that’s like by going to Peru with a $700 return ticket, you’re basically doing a similar… It’s like if you went to Southeast Asia, except to go to Southeast Asia, you’d pay $2000 for tickets. 0:15:57 DJ: Right, right. 0:15:58 PR: That’s interesting. 0:16:00 DJ: Yeah. And I’m just looking at our agenda and the next agenda item is the one country a year plan, and this is something that Becky and I decided on our honeymoon that we’d love to do would be every year go to a new country. This year is Peru. And I think because it’s so cheap, why not? Instead of going to Telefax for a weekend or driving to Montreal for a weekend, why not get on a plane and go to… 0:16:24 PR: Andorra. 0:16:25 DJ: Argentina, Chile, or anywhere for a week or two, and just have fun, it’s just at that price range now where it’s actually possible. 0:16:33 PR: Well, and the other thing I think maybe we take for granted, is the fact [A] that because of the industry we’re in, in that we’re basically self-employed, we can do that. If you’re a teacher, you can’t leave in the middle of January for three weeks or at least as easily. And also that we can work from anywhere, if we wanna do it for longer. And that’s, it’s hard to take your work with you in many professions. 0:16:56 DJ: Yeah. One thing I’ve found is that, there are Internet cafes everywhere. When we were in Costa Rica, we were sitting in a jungle town in a rain forest. And literally the town would be no more than 150, 200 people, and there were two Internet cafes. And for 25 cents, you could use the Internet for three hours. 0:17:16 PR: I found the same thing in Thailand, I found the same thing in Spain, I found the same thing in… I mean I found the same thing in Czechoslovakia in 1998. And you’re right, it’s almost, the further you are from the center of things, the more valuable and prevalent Internet cafes are because they’re so much more useful and integral. 0:17:33 SG: It’s interesting that when hearing you guys talk about this. Now both of you would be more interested in travel almost as a hobby than I would be. 0:17:40 PR: Well, worldly you might wanna say. 0:17:42 DJ: Hey, he is going to London and Paris. 0:17:43 SG: Well, that’s what I was gonna talk about, that the places, that… I’m more of reluctant traveller, but the places I’ve been to and I’m planning to go in the next year are more on the typical travel plan. I’ve been to the West Coast, I’ve been to California twice in 2004 and I’m going to London and Paris in 2005. It’s interesting that it seems that you guys are not very interested in going to the places that are typical travel locations. And it’s more like you’re intentionally seeking places that are off the beaten path. 0:18:16 PR: Yeah. The other thing I have found generally when travelling is that, even if you are going to France or Spain or some of a commonly traveled to country from North America, I often find it… When you’re reading The Lonely Plant book, the way that they rate the importance of things, is relative to the world of travel. So we’ll say such and such a town in Italy is like a barren, industrial town not worthy of a tourist visit but they mean that compared to the Vatican, not compared to Montague. So if you go there, it’s way better than Montague. [chuckle] 0:18:53 PR: So we were in this town, that my father and I, were in Anchota, Italy. It’s on the far eastern coast of Italy and it was described as this mundane town that you would use it as a utility town. But we spent a good… We were there for 48 hours and there was museums and shops and Italians there. [chuckle] And it was all the Italy we needed. And I got a sense that we probably got more out of it because we weren’t rushing around like to see the Colosseum and the Vatican and all these… There was nothing to “see” so you got to see a lot more of what there is to see. 0:19:27 DJ: I think I do look for things off the beaten path. And part of that’s cost. You don’t have to spend a lot of money to do that, but I think a lot of it’s like, the Indie Rock Pete of travel where you wanna go somewhere… 0:19:41 SG: Go somewhere cool where no one’s been? 0:19:43 DJ: Yeah, exactly. Somewhere cool where not a lot of people go that have really interesting things. Peru has some of the cradles of civilization in it, like the Inca empire. And I think that’s just a lot more interesting for me to see than the Eiffel Tower. 0:19:57 SG: Or the Mona Lisa. 0:19:58 DJ: Or the Mona Lisa, yeah. 0:20:00 PR: Well, I think too. Above and beyond, the self indulgence of travel, there is a responsibility to your home community to bring back stories and… 0:20:10 DJ: Knick-knacks? 0:20:11 PR: Well, no. You go to… 0:20:13 SG: Hotel soaps? 0:20:13 DJ: Yeah. 0:20:14 PR: You go somewhere else, you see that something’s done differently, you come back and that enriches, in theory, your own life but also if you talk about it and share it and say other people should go there. That’s how we learn about the rest of the world, I guess. If everyone just went to London and Paris all the time [chuckle] where would we be? 0:20:32 SG: Man, my trip sucks. 0:20:34 PR: Well, I mean the irony for me is that… 0:20:35 DJ: But it is your honeymoon so it’s not really gonna suck… 0:20:37 PR: Yeah. But the irony for me is that we’re sort of casting going to London and Paris like it’s an everyday thing to do. And I think for most people, it would be like the most dramatic thing you would do in your years. 0:20:46 SG: Yeah, and I actually am planning to have sort of the typical… When we go to Paris, we’re gonna… 0:20:51 DJ: Have a camera around your neck on a lanyard… 0:20:54 SG: Yep, we’re gonna be tourists and we’re gonna do touristy things. 0:20:57 PR: Well, that’s… When we travel, we do the same thing. 0:21:00 SG: It’s like going to Disney World. 0:21:01 PR: Yeah. Yeah. [chuckle] 0:21:02 SG: Now, you have a… One of your goals is to hit a new country every year. I have a new travel goal myself. Never in my entire life do I ever want to be in Los Angeles. I’ve avoided it so far and I think that’s something I could avoid through the rest of my life. 0:21:18 PR: I’ve been in San Francisco and San Diego and I’ve taken the bus by Los Angeles with my father. 0:21:23 SG: But you didn’t go in? 0:21:24 PR: Didn’t go in, no. 0:21:25 DJ: I’ve been in Los Angeles when I was a very young child. I went to Disneyland. 0:21:30 PR: But the thing is, you know what’s gonna happen? There’s gonna be Firefox, the reality TV series next year and you’re gonna have to go down to LA and you’ll do it willingly and that will be that. 0:21:39 SG: No. 0:21:40 DJ: Yeah. 0:21:40 SG: We should probably move on with our agenda if we’re going to have the longest most boring radio show in the world. 0:21:43 PR: Hey, here’s some opportunity for interactive viewer feedback. Or now, what do you call them? Listener feedback. Podcastees? What do you call the… What you would call in the TV world a shot-list. What do you call it on the radio? 0:21:57 SG: Oh yeah. 0:21:57 PR: Prompt-list? 0:21:57 SG: Well, we’ve been calling it our agenda which is pretty lame. 0:22:00 PR: Yeah, it sounds pompous, so I’m not gonna call it a agenda. 0:22:03 DJ: I have an agenda. [chuckle] Steve, you were gonna talk about… You kinda briefly mentioned that you’ve been to the west coast twice this year? 0:22:12 SG: Yes. Both trips were related to the Mozilla Firefox work we’ve done and… 0:22:18 DJ: Which is a reoccurring theme on our radio show. 0:22:21 SG: Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting ‘cause I hadn’t been to the west coast. I had only been to Vancouver but never to California until last year. And we went twice and a couple of the other guys from… Still here at Silver Orange came. Jan was with me on the first show. Actually, both you guys were there on the first show. 0:22:41 DJ: That was the spontaneous trip to California we arranged in three to four days. 0:22:42 SG: Yeah. Very bizarre being in Silicon Valley. I was in Mountain View, and Palo Alto, and San Jose and we stayed at the… [chuckle] So, you can get travel advice. You wanna avoid the travel lodge in San Jose by the arena where the sliding bathroom door had a hole kicked in it. We had to deal with the attendant through a bullet proof glass. [chuckle] And I think I paid twice because I paid online and they didn’t believe me and I paid again. Weird being in Silicon Valley where it’s like the dot com bubble never burst because whoever’s there, are the people who have survived, and I find there’s a whole feeling in San Francisco and in all of Silicon Valley of… Maybe that you would get when you’re in Washington, DC from a government perspective that it’s in a bubble and it’s… There’s a dis… 0:23:42 DJ: It’s like 20 square miles surrounded by reality. 0:23:44 SG: Yes. It’s a disconnect from the rest of the world and people seem to be able to suspend their understanding of normal human beings’ lives when they’re there. So neat place to visit, don’t wanna live there. 0:23:56 DJ: Well it’s a very contrasted place from Prince Edward Island, Canada. I don’t think you could go in North America to any more of a difference spot culturally. 0:24:06 PR: I was in Cupertino once in 1994 and I was at a hotel, and I had to go to Apple. And I asked at the desk, how long will it take me to get to Apple. 0:24:16 SG: You had to go to Apple? 0:24:17 PR: Well, I was going to a conference at Apple. 0:24:18 SG: Okay. 0:24:19 PR: And they said, “Oh, it’s just five, 10 minutes.” And I assumed that they were talking about walking, ‘cause I thought, “Well, I’ll just walk down to Apple.” 0:24:27 SG: But it was actually on the freeway 100 miles an hour. 0:24:28 PR: Well, yeah. It was like, I could actually walk there. But it took me like an hour and a half to walk there because they’d just never heard of anyone walking. And there weren’t sidewalks and it just wasn’t set up that way. I thought that Charlottetown was a car culture, but we don’t have anything on them. 0:24:42 SG: Oh, it’s unbelievable where… And there’s very good public transit around San Francisco, but it was like, we’d go out for lunch and you’d be on a freeway for two minutes to get there, which just means you’re actually travelling quite a distance. 0:24:55 PR: I wonder if it’s actually pleasant to live there in any way. 0:25:01 SG: Well, I certainly didn’t like a lot of aspects of it. But they have a couple of things definitely going for them. The city itself is quite beautiful. 0:25:07 DJ: San Francisco. 0:25:07 SG: San Francisco and most of Silicon Valley is with… I don’t know what actually encompasses Silicon Valley, but the places that I was in, Mountain View and stuff, were all an hour from the city. The weather is beautiful, it’s nice but it’s not particularly hot. And you’re within an hour’s drive of a lot of really beautiful scenery. 0:25:28 PR: Well you see, this is the debate that I go through. I grew up just sort of in the triangle between Kitchener, Guelph and Toronto, within an hour’s drive of Niagara Falls and Toronto, Buffalo and all these places where I could have gone, and we never… Relatively speaking, we didn’t avail ourselves of those. 0:25:46 SG: Buffalo? [chuckle] 0:25:47 PR: Well. Okay. [chuckle] I exaggerate slightly. 0:25:50 DJ: Well, we just alienated all of our listeners from Buffalo. [chuckle] 0:25:54 SG: Very John. 0:25:56 PR: I was about to make a football allusion, but I couldn’t remember the name of the team in Buffalo. 0:26:00 SG: The Bills. 0:26:00 PR: The Bills, yeah, go Bills! [chuckle] 0:26:02 SG: Was that your football allusion? 0:26:04 PR: Yeah. [chuckle] that’s as good as I can get. But I just wonder whether people who… And I try asking, this is one thing I’ve found is people who I know who are expatriates in a foreign country, you try and get them to characterize their expatriate experience, and for some reason they can’t. It’s like, they can’t contrast it to their old life. And I don’t know whether they’re unable to do so, or it’s just what it is. So it’s hard to get people to say, like if you’re in Paris, I was talking to Nick, who’s living in Paris now about this. And I couldn’t get a sense of, “Do you wake up on Tuesday morning and you don’t have very much work to do? So I’ll just go down to the Louvre for a while and look at the Mona Lisa.” 0:26:39 SG: I’ve been in pretty close contact with Nick, just through work. He posts photos and stuff. And I do get a sense from him of his life in Paris. I mean, he doesn’t go to the Louvre but he goes to… 0:26:53 DJ: Bakeries every morning. 0:26:54 SG: He goes to the bakery around the corner and he… I get the impression that he’s living the artist-in-Paris lifestyle. 0:27:00 PR: See, Catherine and I are talking about going with Oliver to some European country, maybe Slovenia, for a longer period, and renting an apartment for a month, and being sort of hybrid tourists, not really residents, but more than just dropping in for three days. And I think our great fear on some level unstated, is that we might go there and really like the sort of day-to-day, just the sort of the insignificant things that loom greater in their… Like, having a fresh vegetable market available to you… 0:27:33 SG: Access to quality cheeses. 0:27:34 PR: Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And that we might then come back here and just… 0:27:38 SG: There is the Gouda Cheese Lady. [chuckle] 0:27:40 PR: But that involves driving in a car and only eating Gouda. There’s the ‘grass is always greener on the other side of the fence’ argument. But then, there’s the whole, “What if we came back here and life was a living hell?” 0:27:52 SG: But couldn’t you just stay a few… Don’t you have the freedom that if you really did like it somewhere, you could probably permanently relocate? 0:28:00 DJ: I think we have like a two or three year rent agreement with them. [chuckle] 0:28:03 PR: Well you know… But the other thing is that, what I have come to not underestimate to the degree to maybe which I once did, is having been here for 12 years, you just know a lot of people a little, and you sort of know where all the streets are, and you know who’s related to who, and that degree of comfort in a place is not to be trifled with. 0:28:22 DJ: Yeah, yeah. And it is a good place to be stationed. Becky and I look at Prince Edward Island, I don’t think we’ll ever intentionally move somewhere else for a long period of time, because all of our family is here. 0:28:35 PR: So if you were kidnapped, you might relocate. 0:28:37 DJ: If we were kidnapped, we may end up living somewhere else. [chuckle] 0:28:40 DJ: If you can call that living. But we kinda see Prince Edward Island as an ideal place to be stationed out of, and regularly travel, and regularly do things other than Prince Edward Island activities, and go maybe live somewhere for two months. And I think it’s just kinda that place in North America where the cost of living low enough to call home and say “hi” to your families and go to the beach and do all those things. 0:29:01 S?: Yeah. 0:29:02 SG: I think you can say that about most locations, like a lot of locations. 0:29:05 DJ: Except for Palo Alto. 0:29:05 SG: What’s significant for me here is that, this is where I grew up, and this is where my family is, and that’s what makes it the place where I choose to live. I mean, there are aspects of it that are nice and beautiful that I like, but there are… 0:29:20 DJ: Does anyone grow up in Palo Alto? [chuckle] 0:29:23 PR: There must be. The Silicon people must have children. 0:29:26 DJ: Yes. They have Autism. [chuckle] 0:29:31 PR: Moving on [chuckle] From trifling mentions of serious mental health issues, [chuckle] Dan, let’s talk real things. 0:29:42 DJ: Yeah. Oh, we’re skipping to that already. 0:29:43 SG: Dan is taking a picture of us with his camera, but… 0:29:45 DJ: Well that was supposed to be a joke on the agenda. 0:29:48 SG: Well, you better make the joke then and then we can move on. 0:29:51 DJ: I don’t even know how to bring this up. 0:29:54 PR: Well, let’s talk about the 84 Fitzroy Street, Queen Street Commons and that will segue us into that. 0:30:00 DJ: For those of you who read my blog, ceoblues.com. You’ll see that we’ve… Silverorange has purchased a building that’s actually just kinda… I don’t know if it’s kitty-corner or what do you call when a… 0:30:13 SG: I’d rather you not use the term kitty-corner ever again. 0:30:16 DJ: Anyway, it’s just around the corner from us, and we actually share backyards with the building. And one of the things that’s gonna happen in this building, we’re not buying it for silverorange’s purposes. We’re not gonna move in and have offices in there. But we’ve kinda seen actually things like this, the radio show, we have a lot of people coming and going in our building, 84 Fitzroy. We’ve had meetings where the room we’re actually recording in right now has been full of city staff members and councillors, and… 0:30:46 SG: Aspiring members of parliament. 0:30:47 DJ: Aspiring members of parliament. And we’ve kind of become this hub of activity in our city for a certain group of people. And as that group of people gets more and more active, I think it’s kind of something that we’d like not to have in our basement or our main floor every day. So, we’re kind of seeing this new place as an avenue and a venue for that to happen where we can be involved with it but at a arm’s length for it too. So, if we’re really busy with the project, we can still work and we don’t have to worry about hosting people, and things like that. And allowing other people to do this because we’re not the only organizers in the city about events like this. So, we’re kinda just creating an open… We’re calling it, and this is gonna be the first time it’s been publicly released, the ‘Queen Street Commons’, and it’s kinda occupy an entire floor of this new building. And it’s basically, going to be an open office concept. Not the open software product called ‘OpenOffice’ but basically, people can for a small price per month, be a part of this commons, and have desk space, lounge space, board room space… 0:31:57 SG: Some telecommunications infrastructure. 0:32:00 DJ: Yeah. Telephony infrastructure, internet, printers, things like that. We’re really hoping to get those people who are consultants that work at home to come in and kind of be part of a community. And then, we’re just laying the foundation for it. We’re not sure what’s gonna happen on top of that but we do expect things like the things we’ve been doing here over the past year, a year and a half to happen, whether bringing in people for debates or sessions, or their members of parliament to grill them on the next issue, or something like that. 0:32:26 PR: This could get some synergy going. 0:32:28 DJ: We’ll get some synergistic airflow. 0:32:28 SG: It’s gonna be synergistic. Part of the, what originally got us driving to look to purchase another building is that, and we’ve talked… This is talking about real things. As a web development company, we sometimes lament that, though we enjoy very much our work and take a lot of pride in it, we don’t produce anything physical or tangible, and that I think can sometimes be difficult that you can take a lot of pride in building a piece of software but you can’t hold it in your hand. And so, what we’ve been trying to do is take some of the money that we’ve been generating with our web development company and turn it into real world things that we can put to use like the building we’re sitting in now. And now, the building next door too. 0:33:15 DJ: Yeah, there’s a real fondness for real estate within a few of the members of silverorange. And real estate, in terms of acquiring and negotiating real estate, as well as fixing it up and keeping good care of buildings, and renovations and things like that. I don’t know if that… 0:33:31 SG: Those are our real estate plans. 0:33:32 DJ: Makes it sound extremely boring. 0:33:35 PR: No. [chuckle] I am one who sits on the fence about this sort of thing. Having sort of been on the periphery, the far outmost Neptune-ic periphery in the arts community, I’ve sort of watched with interest the whole Arts Guild thing. Because I think you could probably take what you’ve just said and put it in the mouth of the Arts Guild people. And it would probably reflect a lot about why the Arts Guild was needed. The Arts Guild for out-of-town listeners is that the old rural bank building in Charlottetown that was taking over by the arts community as sort of space for art to happen. And there’s print makers, and there’s a performance space, and various other things. And I’ve seen this happen in other cities, and the problem that often has run into with these things is that, then the building becomes… You wanted to do all this neat stuff but then the building itself, and the upkeep of the building, and the paying the mortgage of the building… ” And this is, I think probably truer of the arts community than it is with you guys because you have some way of sustaining this, but it sort of becomes the thing that you’re doing. The building becomes your project. 0:34:34 DJ: The building’s the answer in itself. Yeah. 0:34:36 PR: And so, you have fundraisers so that you can pay for the building, so that you can have fundraisers in the building to pay for the building. 0:34:41 DJ: Yeah. That’s kind of, we’re trying to take care of that. This is not the only thing happening in this building. 0:34:47 SG: It’s actually, we’re almost coming at it from the different angle where there was a nice building, that was near our current building. We wanted to invest some money in real estate. And it’s almost for us, the building is the original attraction and this is something that we can do with it. So hopefully, that’ll avoid that pitfall. 0:35:04 PR: Yeah. It’s just interesting sometimes to see that people have an idea about something and they think, “Well, only if we have the space to do this in” and they sort of stop there. And I don’t think the lack of… There’s always space in one way or another. 0:35:18 DJ: Coffee shops and… 0:35:19 PR: Well, yeah. Or you can do something in the middle of a street. Or, like the Confed Centre did, is they rented the old Vogue Optical space to put an artist in residence there. 0:35:27 SG: Yeah. We, Dan and I ran into something, I think that’s somewhat analogous to that where we’re aspiring amateur musicians and we aspire to be amateurs, I guess. And we’ve always thought, if we had some good recording equipment or access to a studio, we could make some really great music. And now, that we’ve got most of the equipment that we’ve always wanted, we actually found ourselves on the weekend sitting around and looking at these great microphones, mixer, computer, and everything. And it was weird, now, our lack of talent is now the biggest barrier, so yeah. People often, you can often hold off on things because there’s something you really need that you think you need but if you we’re really gonna do it you could just get it done anyhow. 0:36:10 PR: Well, I’ve ran into a very similar thing. I was watching Charlie Rose last week and Philip Johnson, the architect had died, and they were talking a lot, they interviewed Frank Gary and they talked about Philip Johnson and I realized that deep in my heart of hearts I had always maintained the illusion that I will someday gonna be an architect. Because I had sort of toyed with the idea of coming out of high school… 0:36:29 DJ: Just like George from Seinfeld. 0:36:32 PR: I had toyed with the idea coming out of high school maybe I would go to architecture school but I didn’t, I went into a general arts program. But I’d always sort of thought deep in my mind that eventually I’d be done with this computer stuff and I’d go on to do the real thing and it would be architecture. And then just listening to Frank Gary talk and Philip Johnson talk and thinking about architecture and why I hadn’t done it yet, I realized that first of all I have none of the basic skills required to be an architect. Like I can’t think in three dimensions. I’m not particularly… I like buildings and I appreciate a good space but I have no idea how you would go about creating that. [chuckle] And I can’t deconstruct it and I’m interested in buildings but I’m not passionate about them. And then I realized with the few exceptions I don’t really like architects as people. 0:37:15 SG: You’re the worst architect ever. [chuckle] 0:37:17 PR: So I decided that maybe I should let that dream go now. 0:37:20 SG: Well, I’m a designer and I don’t like designers by rule of thumb. 0:37:25 PR: Well, there you go. But you’re good at it. 0:37:27 SG: At not liking them? [laughter] 0:37:28 PR: No, no. You’re good at being an… You’re good at not liking them. 0:37:31 SG: Well, thank you. 0:37:31 PR: You’re also good at being a designer which it was even deeper with me, because I realized I didn’t… Like if you said here, “Draw a picture of a cube.” I could literally not draw a picture of a cube I cannot think in three dimensions. 0:37:43 SG: I think you’ve chosen the right career path. 0:37:45 PR: Well yes, but, not to be too real or anything but, [chuckle] it did strike me. 0:37:53 DJ: I was gonna make that comment that while we’re really getting into this next subject… 0:37:55 PR: Just jumping off on your comment about not creating anything tangible. I realized the other danger that you run into doing the kind of work that we do, and I think this is true of all three of us is that we’re not really doing… We are not our own client. 0:38:07 DJ: Anything that matters? 0:38:09 PR: Well no, I think things matter but we’re doing it for other people, for other people’s ends. And part of that is we’re making other people wealthy and we’re skimming something off. But there’s something more to it than that which, we’re sort of dealing with, we are not artists we are craftspeople. 0:38:26 SG: We’re mercenaries. 0:38:27 PR: We’re mercenaries, yes. And I’ve sort of come to terms with that on… I’m not complaining about it, it’s a good living and I enjoy the work but at the same time sometimes I sort of thirst for something which is my own thing. And maybe that’s what my web blog is on some level too. 0:38:43 DJ: And your radio show and… 0:38:44 SG: Yeah that’s what those things are for me. My own web blog, the recording radio stuff, music. 0:38:50 DJ: The lame recording we’re doing. 0:38:51 SG: Yeah. That’s my… 0:38:53 DJ: Musical recording. This recording we’re doing right now is awesome. [chuckle] 0:38:57 SG: Yeah. Shall we move on? 0:39:00 PR: Okay. 0:39:00 DJ: Sure. 0:39:00 PR: I guess we have to talk about Johnny and his bad smelling lamp now. [chuckle] 0:39:04 DJ: Again a joke item on the agenda. 0:39:05 PR: Well, I will use this joke item and morph it into a real thing that has practical relevance for the program and community. 0:39:11 SG: Wow. 0:39:12 DJ: Don’t put a 150 watt light bulb in a desk lamp? 0:39:15 PR: Well, it’s been interesting for me over the past couple of years as Johnny who is the other half of Reinvented has become a computer programmer to watch, to see computer programming through his eyes. Because for me I’ve been doing it now for 25 years and so it’s sort of I can’t think about it because I can’t see myself doing it. And one of the things I realized is that when you’re programming it’s really a process in large part of solving problems because you would think that in an ideal world you just sit down and write a program, but of course it never works that way. It breaks down and it’s like a battle against bugs. And often bugs are, you see things happen and you think, “Well, there’s the cause and this is the effect.” But the cause and effect can sometimes be illusory and the cause is sometimes something completely different so maybe you get error reports about this thing and you think, “Well because this thing is happening these other things must be caused by that.” But it’s not the case. And so the reason that I bring this up at this point is that Johnny has the office beside me had this really weird smell in his office. [laughter] 0:40:20 PR: Which seems like an insult but it’s not. Stay through to the end of the story. And it was coincident with him going down to our client Yankee for a week. So Johnny left, I was here alone. I moved the fridge, our little bar fridge, into his office and when he came back there was a smell in his office. So logically you would think that there was something in the fridge. So we ended up throwing away a lot of the stuff in the fridge, like we threw away some honey ‘cause it was sort of a honey-like smell and we finally ended up moving the fridge out of his office and we smelled the carpets and we just couldn’t figure out what… 0:40:51 SG: We called in extra guests sniffers. 0:40:53 PR: Yeah and finally I guess, was it you or your father or? 0:40:56 SG: It was my father and I in a combined effort. 0:40:58 PR: We brought in a special hazardous materials team and you found out that… 0:41:02 SG: That there was a… Johnny’s wife had gotten him a lamp at a used store here in Charlottetown, just little desk lamp and they had put a 150 watt light bulb in this little desk lamp and it was literally slowly burning the lamp shade on it. And that’s what we discovered. 0:41:22 PR: And it smelled sort of like rancid burning honey. 0:41:24 SG: We thought for a while that there could have been some kind of dead rodent in a wall. 0:41:28 PR: Yeah, yeah. 0:41:29 SG: And we weren’t really sure how to deal with that [0:41:30] . 0:41:31 PR: So the moral of the story is that the obvious problem is not necessarily the one that is the problem you should be looking at. 0:41:37 SG: Wow. 0:41:38 PR: I think that’s the moral of the story anyway. 0:41:40 SG: I don’t think we ever had morals before. 0:41:42 PR: So Firefox update. 0:41:45 SG: Yeah, I’ll give a little bit of Firefox update. It’s been quite a while since we talked about it last. 0:41:49 PR: I think we were… The last time we recorded it was on the cusp of the Firefox 1.0. 0:41:54 SG: Well 1.0 is here. Whoo! [laughter] 0:42:00 PR: I hear the passion in your, “Whoo!” 0:42:00 DJ: Lamest radio cheer ever. 0:42:01 SG: There was a lot of fan fair. Actually it was quite a big deal. It was quite a big press event and Firefox has gotten I think even more attention than people who were enthusiastic about it expected. And the number of downloads has been enormous. I don’t know what to make of numbers in terms of downloads but there have been 20 million downloads since it was officially released in, was it early December, I think. And in terms of the actual launch, I wrote a bit about this in my weblog but it was… Talk about lame fanfare. The launch itself, because of the time zone difference between California and here in the East Coast, it ended up that it was like 4:00 in the morning for me and I had prepared the changes to the front page of the mozilla.org website. And so I had set a