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Retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective Gary Jenkins sits down with former criminal and prison minister Bill Corum for one of the most unusual conversations ever featured on Gangland Wire. Bill Corum recounts his journey from car theft and prison escapes in the early 1960s to his deep involvement in Kansas City's criminal underworld in the 1970s and early 1980s. He describes his work around pornography, prostitution, stolen property, cocaine trafficking, and his connections to notorious Kansas City underworld figures. Gary and Bill discuss legendary Kansas City mob fence Sol Landi and his murder by assassins sent by the mob, the River Quay era, Junior Bradley, corrupt influences in local politics and the courts, and the explosive cocaine culture that swept through Kansas City during the 1980s. Bill also shares stories involving Weld Wheels founder Kenny Weld, cocaine trafficking operations, and the dangerous atmosphere surrounding organized crime in Kansas City. The conversation dives into: Bill's prison escape and stolen car career The prostitution business in Independence, Missouri Mob-connected fences and stolen property rings Cocaine trafficking in Kansas City during the early 1980s The murder of Saul Landy River Quay nightlife and mob influence Corrupt officials and criminal networks Kansas City organized crime personalities Prison life and criminal culture Bill Corum's dramatic religious conversion in 1983 His decades-long prison ministry work across America Bill also explains how he transformed his life after addiction, violence, and years in the criminal world, eventually dedicating his life to prison outreach and ministry programs throughout the United States. You can learn more about Bill Corum and his book at either The Ultimate Pardon or Bill Corum Official Website If you're interested in true crime, mafia history, and real law enforcement stories, this is an episode you don't want to miss. Subscribe for more mafia history and true crime stories every week. Hit me up on Venmo for a cup of coffee or a shot and a beer @ganglandwire Click here to “buy me a cup of coffee” Subscribe to the website for weekly notifications about updates and other Mob information. To go to the store or make a donation or rent Ballot Theft: Burglary, Murder, Coverup, click here To rent ‘Brothers against Brothers’ or ‘Gangland Wire,’ the documentaries click here.  To purchase one of my books, click here. [00:00:00] hey, all you wiretappers. Gary Jenkins here, retired Kansas City police detective in the intelligence unit. Turned podcaster and author and documentary filmmaker. If you want to see any of my stuff, go to my website and look in the show notes or look in the I think the donate page. Of course, if you’re in the donate page, you might want to hit the donate button. We always use a little, can use a little support. And I have a guy that I’d heard of and I’d seen on YouTube and I have mu- we have mutual friends, but I had never actually met him. And I, so I g- I… Some people he knows asked me to be on their show. And so I was on their show, and Bill was on that show at the same time. So we started talking. We had lunch and we had all these… We were running in the same circles, but separate circles that then overlapped every once in a while. He was on one side of the law and I was on the other. So Bill Corum. Welcome, Bill. Thank you, Gary. Thank you so much. And we were running in opposite… We were running real close- … but I was careful. When [00:01:00] I got out of prison, it- You were. When I got out of prison in 1964, I had two goals. Yeah. Never go back, and never get caught. And I started breaking the law the day I got out of prison, and I broke the law for almost 19 years and didn’t get caught. I got caught a couple times at little things, and I got… I hired a high-powered criminal attorney that came out of Alex Peebles’ office who’s now a judge. I won’t even mention his name. He’s now a judge. I think I told you who it was. But and Alex got me out of a couple deals way back when. But little things. And I was still, doing everything. And I went for almost 19 years and didn’t get caught. Unlike many of my friends, I’ve been in prison ministry for 40 years now, and I run around with a lot of guys that did a lot of time. 25 years, 40 years. Li- they had double life without parole, now they’re out But I never got caught. Yeah. And I was speaking at a women’s prison just recently, and I was talking to the women, and I was telling that story, and I said, “I got out and I [00:02:00] went for 19 years.” She said, “You must have been awful smart.” I said I wa- I wasn’t too smart or I wouldn’t have been doing that stuff.” But I did know ways and one thing was ’cause I didn’t talk to people. I didn’t have a lot of… Kinda like the trench coat robbers. They robbed banks for 15 years- Yeah … and never got caught because they didn’t email, text, phone calls, none of that. Yeah. They would, they would- And they moved away too. Oh, yeah. Kinda moved away from their home territory, so they- Yeah y- they weren’t having their buddies come up to them say, “Hey, what are you doing? Where you been?” “I haven’t seen you for a while.” And then they turn around and tell some cop that they know, “Hey, I can’t remember the guy’s name now. Billy Kirkpatrick. Billy Kirkpatrick. He’s been out of town. He just got back.” And, you know- Yeah … then they put… Suddenly they get this notice about these bank robbers somewhere else. They… He didn’t do that. He stayed- … out of town. So Bill, let’s- No, that was me. Go ahead. Go, let’s go back and start you from the beginning. Introduce to who you are to my guys, ’cause they don’t know you. I didn’t know you, ’cause you were such a low profile in this world. You said you got out of prison. Why don’t we [00:03:00] start with that? Where, what were you in the joint for originally? I was originally in there for Dyer Act, which is, in the feds, that’s interstate transportation- Yeah of stolen motor vehicles. I was in the Marine Corps. I went AWOL. I got caught. I went back. I got back AWOL again. I went back. They put me on restrictions, said I couldn’t leave the base. I was at that point in my life where nobody could tell me what to do. And so I’s “I’m leaving the base,” and I left and I think I stole 10, 12 cars while I was out. And then I got put in the… When I got back the next time, they put me in the brig, and I escaped from the brig. And and I stole a car off the base back in tho- in the ’60s, early ’60s, ’62, 3. People left their keys in their car. Yeah. And I went out. I was in the parachute locker painting. When the guard came in to check on me, I hit him in the back of the head with a full bucket of paint, a full gallon of paint, and I went out the window and I got a car, and I actually had a guy with me. He said, “I’m going with you.” And so we got in the car, and when we got to [00:04:00] the gate, I said, “Now, if that guard steps out at the gate, I’m running over him.” And he’s “No, don’t do…” I said “Just shut up. I’m running over him.” And I got to the gate, and the guard stepped out and saluted me. And I’m like, “What in the world?” I drove into town, run out of gas, Gary. Got out and stole… I don’t know how I remember this. I stole a ’62 maroon Bonneville. And when I was walking away from the car, my buddy looked back and started laughing. I said, “What are you laughing about?” He said, “I see why they saluted us. That car had a colonel sticker on the bumper.” So then I stole that car, that Bonneville, drove into Mississippi. Because I always ask guys in prisons, “How many of you know when you escape from prison you need some different clothes?” Yeah. So I drove into a little town called Leland, Mississippi, and I was breaking in a clothing store to get me some clothes. It was 11:00 at night, and I looked down, I was climbing up on some boxes to get to the roof to go in the skylight, ’cause they had analog alarms, they were easy to beat. [00:05:00] And I looked down and I saw a flashlight coming down the alley. So I dropped down, ran the other way, and I turned the corner and ran into the biggest, fattest Mississippi sheriff you ever seen. And he had a gun, he had a gun about this long. And he stuck it right here, and he goes, “Where are you going, boy?” And I said, “With you, sir.” That’s what I said. And that was the end of the Marine Corps. So now I’ve taken a car across the state line, and the feds step in. And I went to… I got a six-year sentence. I got what they call a zip six. And back then, before ’86, now in ’86 they passed it to 85%. Yeah. But prior to 80- prior to ’86, you could get out of the feds at one-third of your sentence. And so I got this six-year sentence. I got out in two years, and when I got out, I said, “I’m never getting caught again. I’m never going back to prison.” And I went for ni- and I just started right then. And everything from then on was like, I got involved with pornography. I was promoting [00:06:00] pornography and prostitution. There’s a story in my book about me being a… I was a bodyguard and a chauffeur for a lady that had a cat house over in Independence. You know where Inglewood was in Independence? And guys- You know where- … In- Independence is a suburb of Kansas City, but it’s like whole, decently large city for a suburb- Yeah … but it’s connected to it. Yeah. That’s where Harry Truman was from- That’s right … and retired back to. Yeah. So y- you were over there probably on the east side of Independence. Inglewood’s kinda closer to Kansas City, over there- Yes … by Dogpatch, in what we call Dogpatch. That’s- The- … kinda totally lawless area. And so there was a guy there that I was friends with that had a record store. He was the first guy in Kan- his name was Tony Marino. He’s in my book. He’s dead now. He was the first guy ever in Kansas City to sell paraphernalia in a record store. And he was making 25,000 a month- Wow … back in the… Yeah, when it started. That was a lot of money. And he, right next to him was a [00:07:00] store, it’s still there. I go by it all the time, ’cause we eat at the Englewood Cafe all the time. It’s the only one on that little s- first strip there that’s got steps going up. And a lady up there had a cathouse for 12 years, prostitutes. And her main customers were executives from Ford Motor Company- … from General Motors, and from Hallmark Cards. And the reason, Gary, was because she knew if she had executives, they weren’t gonna talk. Yeah. And she had beautiful women. She didn’t have ladies like up on Main and Troost and Prospect. Yeah. The- these women had all their teeth, and they were- … and they were good-looking. Yeah. And so the first guy, a- actually, who got me the job was Sal Rello, that o- that owned he owned that deluxe deli down on 430, where the Erotic City is now. Oh, yeah. He owned that- Yeah … he owned that bar. Heard about him, yeah. And I told him for years, I said, “You need to open an adult bookstore here,” because Gary, he was the only bar in Kansas City, the only bar [00:08:00] in Kansas City that was open on Election Day. You know why? ‘Cause he was in the county. He was in the county. He wasn’t in- Wasn’t in the city, yeah … he wasn’t in the city. And he was open on Election Day. And I told him, I said, “Man, if you’d open an adult bookstore, you could make a lot of money.” He never did, of course. Yeah. And then they put Erotic City in there, and it went good for a few years and stuff, yeah. But so he’s the one that told me about her. I went to interview with her, and she said, “I just have one question. Do you carry a gun?” I said, “No, ma’am, I carry two guns.” And she said, “You’re hired.” And so G- Gary, I picked her up every day on the Plaza. She lived in a $2,000 a month apartment on the Plaza in 1976. Yeah. That was a lot of money. That’s five today. And, yeah, and I took her to get her facial every Tuesday. I took her to the beauty shop every Thursday, and read about her in my book. She was 80 years old. The name of that chapter in my book is 80-Year-Old Hooker. She was 80, 80 years old, and she [00:09:00] ran it like a business. I had, I, she opened at 9:00 in the morning and closed at 5:00 at night, and ran it just five days a week, just like a business. And I wouldn’t be surprised she didn’t pay taxes. She was legit, man. Yeah. And I knew you can’t operate something like that for 12 years in Independence, Missouri, and not have the police know about it. No, they knew about it. Oh, yeah. It’s that upper echelon, they were, they just steered people away from each other. Oh, yeah. Don’t worry about that. Oh, yeah. That’s right. So that was- So Bill, y- you, you moved from that- Into the drug business now, how did you, how’d you even get started in that? Where like 1960s, ’60, by the late ’60s, drugs are starting to, become more popular and there becomes a real market for it that’s among- Yeah a much larger constituency than ever before. So now, how did you- I re- … move into that? I, oh, I really, for years and years, Gary, years, I didn’t have a partner [00:10:00] because I knew if I had to run, I didn’t want somebody… I didn’t know if my partner would tell on me, so I did everything by myself. I did one thing one time and I had to have a partner, and I stole a computer out of a crane at General Motors down in Leeds. And I, and my fence, the chapter in my book, They Killed My Fence, that was Saul Andy. Yeah. And when Saul got killed, like they killed my fence, because anything I took to Saul, he’d buy it. Didn’t matter if it was guns or it didn’t matter what it was. And I didn’t never keep anything except cash. If I had money, I’d keep it, but I’d never keep anything. I didn’t keep diamond rings or… I got rid of all that stuff, ’cause I never wanted anything to be able to identify me and tie me to a crime. And Saul, when he got killed, of course, then I started dealing with another guy. But Saul was taking all that and selling it to Junior Bradley, most of it, the stuff that Junior- And, and- … would be interested in. And guys- But, J- Junior Bradley, I gotta explain who Junior Bradley was. Junior Bradley was the mob fence in Kansas City. He was probably the biggest fence in Kansas City I got a [00:11:00] feeling. He, and what he started doing was trading Dilaudid especially for stolen property, and he had a little deli right across from police headquarters and City Hall, and everybody knew Junior. Everybody loved Junior. Everybody liked Junior. He’s always doing favors for people. If you went in the penitentiary, you’d go talk to Junior and say, “Okay, what, what’s gonna happen when I get here? Can you help me out?” And he’ll say, “I’ll make some calls.” Or I, we had, we overheard him on a wiretap once saying- a, a father called him and said, my son’s got to report up here to Leavenworth to the camp.” He said, “Okay, I’ll take care of it. I’ll be somebody there to meet him there.” And I’ve had many other reports but Junior was the main mob fence. So go ahead- Yeah … and we’ll talk what you were dealing with- Yeah Junior Bradley. Yeah be- let’s back up. So you asked me about how I got into drugs. So all those years when I was married, I didn’t drink and I didn’t do drugs. I thought if you did dope, you were a d- I thought that’s why they call it dope, ’cause you were a dope if you did it. Yeah. So I didn’t do it, and I didn’t drink because I knew I had to always be able to think and make [00:12:00] decisions and… ‘Cause I cheated on my wife every day for 10 years, and I did crime every day for 10 years, and she never knew it till I wrote this book. And I gave her the first book actually. And so- When I got divorced and started smoking pot and doing stuff, hanging out with those people, and I started smoking weed, then the first time I bought an ounce of weed it was 40 bucks. And I’m like, “Okay, how much is how much is more if you buy more? You can buy a half pound for this or you can buy…” So I said then I’ll… Give me a half a pound and I’m gonna sell,” yeah. So I started buying pounds and selling ounces, and man, all of a sudden I’m, now I’m smoking free and I’m making some money. Yeah. And then I started sell- And by the time I ended, even when I was selling cocaine, I was selling 100 pounds of pot a week. I had one guy that would buy 100 pounds of pot from me every week. Yeah. And I’d just take him 100 pounds and he’d just bring my… Every day he’d stop by my house [00:13:00] with sacks of money, and that was, the way I got started in the drug world then. And everything. It was from pot, it was, meth. We called it crank back then, not meth. And then I never did get real addicted to crank, but I got real addicted to cocaine. And of course, I was doing a drug class the other day. I teach a drug class, my wife and I, addictions class at our church. And I said, when I started, I was only gonna sell it and not do it.” And because one guy said I was only gonna do it and never sell it.” And I said, “No, not me. I was gonna sell it and never do it.” But that didn’t last very long. And once you start doing it you’re in there, and, Yeah, really … and then, when I got arrested September 5th of ’82 the guy that I beat up I put 100 stitches in the back of his head with a ball bat, and it was in an active enforcement really. But he turned states. He’s the one, when Kenny… You remember Kenny Weld? I remember the name. Was you still on the force when Kenny got busted in ’83? [00:14:00] Yeah. ’80- Yeah, I would’ve been. Okay. So- I have some vague memory, I don’t remember the, all the details. At the time it was the biggest drug bust, it was the biggest just drug bust in, I know in Kansas City, maybe. They caught him out there in Blue Springs with 29 pounds of cocaine, and we were selling- Yeah … cocaine to the people that were selling cocaine to Kenny. And so the guy that I beat up gave a 20-page, which is like reading a book, 20 typewritten pages. Yeah. 20 typewritten pages, and he named every name involved in the circle that he knew, and that implicated us as being some of the leading cocaine dealers in Kansas City. Yeah. Now, when I go speak in churches and a pastor gets up and says, “Folks, today we’ve got the biggest cocaine dealer that ever lived.” I get up and say, “You know what? I don’t mean to correct your pastor.” But I was implicated as being one of the leading cocaine- I was not the leading cocaine dealer. There was a lot of people bigger than me. But that’s that’s how it all started and [00:15:00] of course my case, I never did… the drugs never came in. The lawyers that I had, because when I got busted it was on a Sunday, and that’s part of my story. I always ask inmates, “How many of you have been arrested on a weekend?” And every hand goes up. Yeah. And I say, and then I say, “What happens when you get arrested on a weekend?” They all yell, “Nothing.” ‘Cause you’re not going anywhere till Monday morning, at the very least. I got arrested 2:00 Sunday afternoon. By that time, Gary, I had three goals. When I was about 30, I got nicknamed by one of the key mafia figures Crazy Bill, ’cause I did some crazy things. Like I ran through a bar. You know where the old Club Royal was on Main? Oh yeah. There was a bar right ac- I’ve drunk there many times. Okay. There was a bar across the street that I had a girlfriend working in, and we got in a fight, and I was gonna cut the bar in half with a chainsaw. And I had my buddy drop me at the back parking lot. I fired the chainsaw up, I opened the door, and when the door… When I stepped inside, the door [00:16:00] closed with the closer, and the dar- the bar was totally dark. It was not a bar where you could even buy a bag of potato chips. It was strictly alcohol. And when you get- Yeah … in a bar like that, they’re dark. And that door shut, and I thought, “I’m gonna bend over and start cutting this bar, and somebody just shoot me in the back.” So I just wa- I just walked through the bar with the chainsaw running and went out the front door, and Kenny picked me up in the front, and off we went. And so because of that, I got nicknamed Crazy Bill. Yeah. By 30 years old, I had three goals: money, power, and influence. Now, I told you as we were selling a lot of cocaine. So I stayed in $500 a night hotels. I ride in limousines. I bought $20,000 worth of cocaine for a one-night party. So I had money, and I had enough power to make a phone call and have somebody killed, so I had power. And I had enough influence that when I got arrested Sunday afternoon, now I love telling this to a police officer. I was on a show in Texas with a cop, and we called it the Con and the Cop. [00:17:00] But I love telling this story. I got arrested September 5th. 2:00, 2:00 PM is when they booked us into the jail, and I made a phone call back to Kansas City to somebody who was in politics, and I said, “You know who to call.” And that person called the judge we were selling cocaine to. And I ask this question in prisons, “How many of you know when you’re selling cocaine to a judge, he don’t want you in jail?” And I walked out of that jail, Gary, at 1:30 Monday morning. Wow. I got arrest- less than 12 hours after I got arrested on a weekend. And when I walked out of that jail, I said, “Bill Corum, you’ve arrived. You got money.” “You got power, and you got influence.” But the one thing I didn’t have was peace. Yeah. I didn’t have any peace, man. No peace. Yeah. If I was in a restaurant eating and a cop walked in, I’d put money on the table and go out the door. If I saw a UPS driver, I got nervous ’cause he had a uniform on. I didn’t have any peace. And then after I became a Christian, I was reading in the Bible [00:18:00] one day, and it said, “A wicked man runs when no one’s chasing him.” And I went, “Oh my gosh, I left a lot of steak dinners sitting on the table.” And wasn’t anybody chasing you. Nobody. That cop didn’t even know I was in there. He probably didn’t even know who I was. Really? He just come in… He just came in there to eat, and I thought he was after me. So Bill, I always like to go into the, the nuts and bolts of some of these things. And we kinda left one thing hanging, is the Saul Landy story. Now guys, Saul Landy was a big sports bettor. And Saul Landy had a, wasn’t it a metal- Square Deal Junk- Square Deal Junkyard. Square… He had a junkyard. Square Deal. He bought a lot of scrap metal and dealt in scrap metal, but he also would buy most anything from, from- Yeah … thieves, from boosters- Yeah … and burglars and people like that. That’s where Bill met him. But he’s a huge sports gambler, and they thought he might testify against our boss, Nick Civella, because he had been allowed to bet down at The Trap, down with Frankie Tusa, who was the underling [00:19:00] that handled all the sports gambling for Nick Civella. Isn’t that right? Isn’t that the way that went down? Oh, yeah, and Bobby Maroon was running The Trap at the time. And- yeah … so do you remember the guy that, that paid for his murder? Remember that guy, Johnny Franks, Johnny Frank Avella? That’s what they said, yep. Yeah. Yep. He had, he had- That’s what they said. He had some connections. But he got… But Johnny Franks got the order from somebody else. Yeah. Yeah … the bug, the buck stopped with Johnny Franks now, didn’t it? Yes. ‘Cause he hired another guy, who then he hired a Black guy, which was- That’s right … truly unusual. Who then- That’s right … hired a couple of young Black street kids and that was even more unusual, and they killed this Saul Landy and his wife. So they keep a f- And then they sang and then they sang like The Temptations. Exactly, yeah. That, and that’s that w- some claim that Johnny Franks did that just on his own, trying to impress Nick Civella. Some people say that somebody else told him to do it. I don’t… It never, he never talked, so it never came about. Yeah. [00:20:00] Did you ever hear anything about that? I never heard anything except what you just said, that he- Okay … he never talked, and Nick, Nick never got convicted. He never- Yeah … but here’s the thing that, what you said. The guys that they hired to do it, because back in those days as y- you’d go to… i’d go to the electric chair before somebody, before I’d tell on somebody. Yeah. I’m not gonna tell on anybody. Go ahead and put me in the gas chamber, I’m not telling on nobody. But those guys would, they’d sing like The Temptations. They weren’t gonna, they- Yeah … they wouldn’t- Those street kids If they offered them a day in jail, they wouldn’t take it. If you’ll tell us, we won’t, we’re only gonna put you in jail for a week if you’ll tell. Yeah. They wouldn’t tell. So how did that work with you and Saul Landy? You weren’t a sports bettor you didn’t have anything to do with that. You were a thief. Yeah, and I don’t know- And- I honestly, you know what? Gary, I don’t remember who even told me to go to Saul with stolen merchandise, ’cause I was hitting a lot of construction jobs back then. [00:21:00] Ah. I worked construction, and I was in the union, and I was stealing off these jobs all the time. Big- Ah, yeah … big amounts of stuff. Like they’d start a brand-new job, and they’d have all brand-new tools, and I’d go over there and take everything they had. And then I’d take it all to Saul. And matter of fact, one time I did a job over in, it was a eight-story high-rise over in Kansas City, Kansas, down around Argentine, in the Argentine area. And I was on the job, I was working on the job, and we just started. And we had all this trailer, a whole trailer load of tools. And I went over and got all the tools, and the last thing I took out was the cutting torch. I cut the lock off the door, ’cause I had a key to get in. And so when I got to work the next morning, I had everything in my truck. I had a tonneau cover over my truck and had all these tools in the back of my truck, and parked in the parking lot. I got there and I called Johnny Myers, who was running the job, and Johnny’s been dead for years. I said, “Hey, Johnny, somebody hit our job last night.” He’s “What?” I said, “Yeah, they cut the lock off. They got everything.” [00:22:00] And he said call the police and I’ll be out there in just a few minutes.” And so the cops come, couple detectives and he was telling what they, what was going on. I’m standing there listening to the whole thing. And there was a generator, a big generator, and I was real strong back then, Gary. I was 6’3″ and weighed 275 and I carried this generator down the steps and this… and Johnny said, or the cop said that, how much that generator weigh?” And he told him, and he said it had to be at least two guys, if not three. But no, no one guy could carry that down them steps.” And Johnny turned around and he said, “Except Superman,” ’cause that’s what they called me on the job. And they laughed, and he laughed, and I laughed. Yeah. And then that night after I got off work, I took it all down to Square Deal and sold it all to Saul. Yeah. Interesting. So- All right. Thanks so much … and I did that stuff all, yeah, I did that stuff all the time. But I honestly do not remember who introduced me to Saul Landy. Yeah. But I know that for years and years we were buddies. And when I first met him, I used a, I had an alias that I always went by. I had two a- two aliases. One of them was a guy I [00:23:00] was in prison with that was from East St. Louis, and I knew everything about him, ’cause we were real good friends. I knew his middle name, I knew his mom and dad’s name. I knew everything about him, so I’d use his name. So if anybody ever asked me a question, I knew. The other guy was a cousin of mine that I hadn’t seen for y- I used his name, ’cause I knew everything about him. So what, the, when I first met my wife, we went to a dance one night. We weren’t married yet, and we were walking up the steps, and this guy walking down said, “Hey, Jim. How you doing, Jim?” And I said, “Good.” We got in, sat down. My wife looked at me and she said, “I thought your name was Bill.” I s- said, “It is. It is Bill.” I said, “He probably just had me mixed up with somebody else.” ‘Cause there was a lot of people in the inner circles, yeah. So when I met Saul Andy, something inside of me told me to… Because I met Saul, and I told him my name was Jim Gardner. Yeah. And he’s we did a couple deals, and then something inside of me told me to b- be honest with Saul. And so I sat him down one day, I said, “I wanna tell you something. I use that name as an alias. My [00:24:00] real name is Bill Corum,” and da. And I was so glad I did, because later I would be in the River Key in a restaurant or a bar with Saul, and some of the guys were in there, and I thought if I’d have used the… If he’d introduced me as Jim Gardner- Yeah … and then later they find out who I am, I might not be here. Yeah. You know what I mean? You might- So I- They might think you’re undercover cop or a- Exactly. Exactly. So I just- Informant or something, yeah … it, a- and that, I think that’s in my book. I told that story because I just, I felt like being upfront with him, and I, because I trusted him, yeah. I actually, in, in the book I think I said if Nick Civella trusted him, I thought I could trust him. Yeah. But a- apparently, apparently- Bet he didn’t trust him all that much … no. Yeah. Because right there, out there on Pennsylvania, or let’s see, where’d they… They lived right off 75th, right behind the what was that restaurant on 75th? The Italian place? Yeah … I starts with a G, I think. Yeah, I know. Just north of Ward Parkway Shopping Center. Yeah. Yeah. I know the neighborhood, yeah. Oh, Cat- was it Cat? [00:25:00] No. C- it doesn’t matter. But he lived right down that str- he lived on Washington. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. About 77th or 8th and Washington, in Washington, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. But that’s how I met Saul. And what, and guys, what those guys did that night, they tried to make it look like a home invasion robbery, but ended up killing him and his w- and I think they raped his wife too. But, They didn’t kill her. They left her alive they, they left her alive. But- Yeah … they really m- tried to make it look like a home invasion robbery, not a hit, which was, at least they were that smart. They just weren’t- Yeah … couldn’t keep their mouth shut, and they couldn’t, weren’t smart enough to not tell their friends, so they got caught. Good, good thing there wasn’t no Facebook back then, Gary. Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. Crazy world you live in, so- these kids- Bill … yeah. What happened? What happened? You had all this going. You had money, power, influence. Yeah, I- You caught a cocaine case. Now the thing about that cocaine case, that you said, I thought you said Wells. It’s Kenny Weld, isn’t it? The race car driver? W-E-L-D. Kenny Weld. W-E-L-D. Yeah. He was a race [00:26:00] car driver at that time. I, I- Kinda well-known, and he had a whole set of… He had a big company that sold wheels … Weld Wheels … fancy wheels. He was really doing well, and then he got involved with a b- huge, big cocaine thing. I didn’t know, remember you were part of that, but I remember that. A multi-million dollar- Yeah … wheel business. Yeah. I still am a big… I was a dirt track guy. I grew up on dirt. Yeah. I love dirt. I actually took his brother, Greg, who actually owned the company, I took Greg to his first… the first race that Greg ever raced in, I drove him to the races. And then Kenny and I and Greg, and they won the Knoxville Nationals. Greg raced in the Indianapolis 500 four times. Yeah. They were a big name in the country, the Welds. And making millions of dollars, Gary. Even back then, they were making millions of dollars. Yeah. And then Kenny got caught up in the cocaine and started messing with it, and next thing you know… he was making a lot of money in the cocaine too, but- Yeah … he got caught with 29 pounds, which was a large amount. But that statement that guy [00:27:00] made on me, ’cause I always felt guilty because Kenny got busted because the statement that he made, he named Kenny Weld in that statement, and it wasn’t long after that they arrested Kenny. But I’m sure they were already watching him, for sure. But then I, and I don’t know, Kenny got eight year, Kenny got 25 years. He went to Sandstone first up in Minnesota. Yeah. And he only did 52 months, so I’m not sure, because back then a third would’ve been eight, eight and a half years or something, right? Yeah. And he only did 52 months, so I don’t know how that, maybe it was money or whatever. I don’t know. Yeah. But he turned his life around in prison, but then what’s the sad deal, when I turned my life around, I tried to get in touch with Kenny Weld, and he wouldn’t talk to me. He- Yeah … he was avoid- I think he was afraid that I was gonna come after him because the guy I beat up was the guy that was… We were all involved in the cocaine world together. Joker John, I don’t know if you knew who Joker John Agrusa was. I [00:28:00] don’t remember that n- I don’t remember that name now. Was he- They had a bar out on, they had a bar on, out on 23rd Street. No, I don’t, I don’t- Joker John’s. John, his last name was Agrusa. He had a brother- Agrusa, yeah … named Nick Agrus. New- Nick Agrusa’s brother. Yeah, I co- do kinda remember that. He went down- Yeah … with that whole thing. See, I was- That was ’83. I was I was off into something else during those years. Okay. No- That was early in the coke, crack cocaine thing … no, John, w- after I beat up Pink Mike, John Agrusa left town. He moved to Arizona, ’cause he was scared of me. A l- a lot of people- ’cause I was crazy. I did some crazy things, and people were scared. And so when I got arrested on that deal, he left town. He went to Arizona. And then Kenny got busted, Kenny Weld. And the, some of the people in that… My dad read that 20-page statement, and my dad said… And my dad was an old guy. He was born in 1909, but he read that statement, and he said, “This guy’s worth, life ain’t worth a nickel, is it?” And I [00:29:00] said, “No.” ‘Cause the guy that wrote the statement. Then I got arrest- you knew Jim Smart was a judge? Yeah, I remember the name. I didn’t know him. Okay. Jim… back then, Jim was a lawyer, and then later became appellate court judge. Yeah. And he’s retired now, but a real good friend of mine. So when I, that happened, I got… My case ended in May of ’84. Started September 5th of ’82, and ended in May of ’84. And in June of ’85, 13 months later, I got sued by the guy I beat up. Me and the other couple guy. One of the guys that was with me is dead, Charlie Elmer. I don’t know if you ever heard that name, but he was a- No, don’t know that name … cocaine dealer. But anyway I was just gonna forget about it, and I showed that to my dad, that indict- or not indictment, the notice that I need to appear in court. Statement. Yeah. Yeah, and my dad s- no, not the statement, when he sued me. [00:30:00] Oh, the oh, okay. Then they filed charges. Yeah, the counter-suit. And I showed it to my dad one day and I wasn’t even gonna go. I said, “Oh, God will take care of it.” And my dad read it, and he’s “Bill, you gotta get a lawyer.” Yeah. You’re being charged, and so I went and got a lawyer, and I got Jim Smart. And and Jim tried to go and do a deposition on that guy, on Pink Mike. Could never find him. Ah. And I di- I don’t know, I honestly don’t know. I know I didn’t have nothing to do with… But nobody’s ever been able to find him. But I’m suspecting, ’cause my dad said when he read that 20 pa- he said his life isn’t worth a nickel. Because he named judge in there, a judge in there. He named Kenny Weld in there. He named a lot of other big-name guys, and he’s disappeared, so nobody know. I haven’t seen him since the day in court in 1982. So who knows where he’s at. Yeah. If he’s around. I don’t know. But- Interesting. What did you finally cop? Did you have a full trial, or did you go ahead and cop a plea in the end? That’s interesting you’d [00:31:00] ask because when we first, when we got out of jail at 1:30 Monday morning, the 3rd of the 6th of September, he wal- the lawyer came and walked us out with, we… we had left, we were staying in the Embassy Suites downtown. You know where that was at? Oh, yeah. It was 500 bucks a night, and we had left two s- two s- brief- briefcases there with one had cocaine in it uncut, and the other one had about $60,000 in it. And so we went down. We actually called… he’s dead now, so I can tell you who it was. Jerry Schanzer that owned Napoleon Bakery. And Jerry was a big… i’m surprised that you didn’t, you talk about bookmakers. Jerry was a big bookmaker. Yeah. Exactly. And Schanzer- I remember him, yeah … Schanzer owned Mother’s down on 18th and Baltimore. Not Mother’s. Granny’s. Granny’s, yeah. He owned Granny’s at 18th and Baltimore. Yeah, a lot of mob guys used- And then he- … to go down there and eat. Oh, every time I went in there I saw [00:32:00] somebody. Yeah. And then later he opened up one over in Mission shopping center there on Mission Road. And then they then they ended up opening up Napoleon, him and his brother Larry. And then they’re both dead now. But we, this is how much we trusted Jerry. We told Jerry, “Go…” We called Jerry from the jail and said, “Go down to the Embassy and get our, get a briefcase.” And Jerry went down and he drove halfway to Warrensburg and ha- something told him to open it- Oh, wow … and he opened the one, he opened the one that had the cocaine in it. Oh, shit. And he called us and said, “I got the wrong briefcase.” And it… No, he said, “I can’t come and get you with this.” And so he went back to the Embassy and got the right one. Came down, and we made bond that night. Then the next morning was… Okay, that was we got busted on Sunday the 5th. Monday we got out. The lawyer [00:33:00] said, Mike, I don’t know if you ever knew Mike and what was his dad’s name? The Fi- it was Fitzgerald and Fitzgerald was the name of the firm in, down in Warrensburg. Warensburg, yeah. I don’t know them. Yeah. And Mike and Charlie Fitzgerald. So ’cause I called People’s Office and said, “Hey, this happened.” And they said, “Stick with those guys. Those guys are the best in the county. They know the county. They know the prosecutor, the judges and everything. Stick with them.” So we went in. He told us, “Don’t come in tomorrow morning,” ’cause it was 1:30 in the morning Monday morning. He said, “Come and see me Wednesday.” Yeah. And so we went… no, he said, “Come and see me Tuesday,” ’cause that was 1:30 in the morning. And we walked in there that morning and he said, “Come and see me tomorrow morning, Tuesday morning.” And bring me $10,000 apiece. And I wish I had a video of it, because it can be on America’s Funniest Home Videos. I walked into his office with a white bank bag and dumped out $30,000 on his desk in cash, and he opened [00:34:00] his drawer like this and scooped it into the drawer. And I said, “Mike, there’s a lot more where that came from.” He said, “Bill, I can’t. It’s… I gotta do everything legitimately.” Yeah. And I said, “Okay.” So the first meeting, his dad was in there and he was in there, and the three of us, and he said, “Guys, Dad and I have talked, and you guys might wanna think about getting separate attorneys.” And I said, “For what?” He said, “Because if one of you take a plea.” Yeah. I almost jumped over the desk. I said, “There’ll be no plea. There will be no plea. We’re not guilty. We’re not gonna admit we’re guilty. They can send us to the electric chair. We didn’t do it.” Now, Gary, they took us out of the house at 2:00 on Sunday afternoon in broad daylight. First, they s- we sent the guy out the back. He was totally naked when we got there. He was laying in bed. He’d been doing Dilaudids and Quaaludes all night, and he was [00:35:00] blood from the crown of his head to the soles of his feet. His whole back was red. We walked him out the door in- totally naked in front of the whole world and told him, “Go out there and tell them there’s nobody else in the house.” We were so jacked up. And here’s the thing, I have to tell you this. All those years that I got away with stuff is because I was smart, and now I’m snow blind. There was a song years ago by Styx called Snow Blind- Yeah … and it’s about cocaine. It’s about… And I’d been up for 86 hours when we went down to Holden. I had not- Okay … closed my eyes for 86 hours, so I was in m- I wasn’t in my right mind. Anyway, that was… So when we we said, “No plea bargain. There’ll be no plea bargains.” And for seven months… No, I’m sorry, for four months. That was October, November, December, January, February, March, April. No, seven months. For seven months. For seven months [00:36:00] we went to court multiple times. The whole police department, I don’t know if we can- I guess we’ll say it, because it’s done. It’s history. But I had a, I had two grocery sacks, the old brown grocery sacks on the couch that I’d inventoried. I had $62,000 in cash. I had… Because it was in envelopes, and I- they were $10,000. I was throwing them in there. 62,000 in cash, about four pounds of pot, three gallon Ziploc bags full of precious jewels. Er emeralds, rubies, and stuff like that. Some hash- a 12-gauge shotgun. I think that was all. Maybe maybe it… Whatever. When they, when… The first time we ever went to court and my partner had, the one that’s dead, Charlie, he had a leather Gucci bag that we always had with us, and it had four or five grams of cocaine in it. He took his diamond rings off, put them in there. His watch, he had a Rolex [00:37:00] watch he put in there, and about 3,000 in cash. That was in the car. That was never mentioned in court. No guns were ever mentioned in court. No guns were ever mentioned in court. I had a brand new, I had a brand new fif- not- model 59 nine millimeter. That was never mentioned in court. That 12-gauge shotgun was never mentioned in court. They said that they found a couple envelopes of cash, and they found a gram. Now, there was about, I think there was about probably a half a, maybe eight, eight grams or no more than that. It was ounces. Four or five ounces of cocaine. Oh, yeah. They said they found one, they said they found one gram of a, approximately one gram of a substance believed to be cocaine. Yeah. And my lawyer said… And they said they’d send it to Jeff City for analysis. And my lawyer said, “And what were the analysis of that?” They said they haven’t come [00:38:00] back yet. This is two months after they arrested us. They did- And they found approximately one gram, and there was ounces of cocaine in there. They found a couple envelopes with approximately $2,000 in cash. There was $62,000. The car I was driving, so when I got arrested, I had the keys in my pocket. So when they booked us into jail, when we walked out at 1:30 Monday morning, they gave us back our property. I had the keys in my pocket. So the car’s… Now, this is a brand new ’80, this was a ’82. This was an ’81 Trans Am. The car’s in Holden. The police chi- And they said they were gonna confiscate the car because it had Kansas tags on it, that they wanted to go through the car da. The police chief changed the ignition and was driving that car for his personal car. It cost my buddy, because it was a friend of mine, T- Ronnie M- Ron McGee, it was his car. It cost him $10,000 and an attorney to get his car back from them. So bottom line, every time we [00:39:00] went to court, several ti- my lawyer would say, “I’d like to call Officer Gary Jenkins up.” Gary Jenkins is not on the force anymore. He moved to Arizona.” “I’d like to call so-and-so up next time we go in.” He’s not here anymore. He moved to wherever.” So all the money and all the guns and all the drugs, they split it up and no, nobody ever… So the thing was so dirty. So what happens is we’d been going to court for that seven months, And then I become a Christian. I walk into his offi- and we’re adamant, we’re not plea bargain. We don’t want separate lawyers. We want you two guys to represent us. We’re gonna beat this thing. And, oh, and I told, because when that guy gave that 20-page statement after he got out of the hospital, this was a month later or something, he called us all in. We went in. He sh- hands each one of us 20-page statement. He said, “Guys, let me tell you something. I’m defending you on an assault with intent to kill charge. I’m gonna get that reduced, but if you get busted [00:40:00] dealing cocaine, you’ve got to stop dealing cocaine, ’cause if you get busted dealing cocaine while I’m on this case, it’s gonna complicate the case.” Yeah. “You gotta stop.” And I said, “Mike, I don’t tell you how to practice law, and you don’t tell me how to make money. You just keep doing what you do, and I’ll keep doing what I do, and I’ll keep bringing you money.” And he never said another word. Three or four months later, I become a Christian. I walk into his office by myself. And when I walked in the door, he said, “What happened to you?” If you look at that book on the picture of my, on the back of my book, that was four months before I became a Christian. And the Bible says the eyes are the windows of the soul. I had a very dark soul. Yeah, I can see. I had a very dark soul. Yeah. And so he goes, “What happened to you?” And I said, “What do you mean?” And he said, “You don’t look the same.” And I said, “I’m not the same.” And I told him what happened. And he said… And I said, “We’ve got a problem.” And he goes, “What’s our [00:41:00] problem, Bill?” I said, “I can’t lie anymore.” He said, “You’re right. We’ve got a problem.” ‘Cause we’d been lying for seven months. We told… He knew the story. He said, “I just need to know this. I’ll defend you guys. I’ll beat this case, but I need to know.” So we told… And at this point now, seven months later, he said, “There’s no way out of this thing. You guys are going to prison.” He said, “I can help you figure out a way to get to the good prison, but you’re going to prison.” So when I go in that day and he goes, “What’s wrong? What what happened?” And I told him, and he said, “You don’t look the same.” I said, “I’m not the same.” I said, “We got a problem.” He goes, “What?” I said, “We can’t lie. I can’t lie anymore.” And he said I’ve got an idea.” And I said, “What?” He said if I enter a plea bargain, I think we can do this.” And he said, “You guys won’t go to prison.” And he said, “Talk to Mike and Charlie and see what they say.” So I called them. We went down, met with him. And this time they looked at me and said, “What do you think we should do, Bill?” [00:42:00] I said, “I think we ought to take the plea bargain.” We got five years’ probation and a $5,000 fine. Now, the crazy thing- that was on the assault. Yeah, they- That was on the assault. But you still got a cocaine case out here pending with the feds. No. No. No. That, if, that, that- 20-page statement that implicated me was never, he never got it out of his office. It never went out of Fitzgerald’s office. So it, he didn’t tell it to… He told it to whoever he told it to, but to the police, and the police were all crooks anyway . Yeah. So I don’t know who he told. I just know that our lawyer said if this cocaine thing comes up, it’s gonna complicate our case. It never came up. Oh. And so maybe it was the mercy of God, I don’t know. Because it was a 20-page typewritten statement naming judges, Kenny Weld, all these guys, and all these people started falling after that. And so anyway, we ended up getting a $5,000 fine and five-year probation. Now, the crazy thing, if you read my book, Charlie and Mike both went, they got called and they [00:43:00] went and reported. I never got a call. 13 months later, I had a nephew getting married up in in Wisconsin, and I wanted to go to that wedding, and I knew I couldn’t leave without permission, but I didn’t have anybody to ask permission from. And when that guy sued me, G- Gary, when that guy sued me and I went and got the lawyer that I told you I went and got, I said, “By the way…” He said, “I wanna take this case.” I said, “Great.” I said, “By the way, I got arrested September 5th of ’82. The case ended in May. I was placed on five-year probation, a $5,000 fine. I’ve never heard from anybody. What do you think I sh- should do?” He said, “Bill, you need to write a letter.” And I put the letter in the book. I wrote a letter and said da. I’d like to be supervised. Please contact me.” 13 months, and they, within two days they were knocking on my front door. And that’s when I started reporting. And Kay King was my first pr- [00:44:00] probation officer, and she asked me all the whole story, and I had sat with her for two hours and told her the whole story. She asked me how many drugs I did, what I did. I said, “I’ve done everything there is, from, marijuana to heroin to… I’ve done it all.” And I did massive amounts of everything. And I was drinking two quarts of whiskey at the end every day. And people are like, “You can’t drink two quarts of whiskey.” I said, “You never did cocaine, did you?” ‘Cause when you’re doing, ’cause when you’re doing cocaine, you can’t get drunk. And so anyway that… And I asked her when I left her office, I said, “So does my probation start now, or does it start back then?” She said, “No, Bill, it starts today.” Oh, really? I said- Wow. I said, “For 13 months I’ve been going to churches and schools and telling people how bad drugs are and how bad alcohol is and how bad this is.” And I said, “I’ve not had a traffic ticket. I haven’t had a traffic ticket.” The only ticket I’ve got in the last 43 years, I had a bad car wreck where I got T-boned at 70 miles an [00:45:00] hour. I pulled out in front of a guy. It was my fault. And that’s the only ticket I’ve had in 43 years. I haven’t been stopped by the police. And she said, “I’m sorry, Bill, it starts today.” Guess what? I did the whole five year. I went from then, I got off in ’89 or something, I th- it was almost five years I did. My partners, they only did a year and a half, and they let them off. And they were still dealing cocaine. They were still dealing. They were still dealing. Matter of fact, one of them’s brother his mama died, and the funeral was at Passantino Brothers over there on the avenue. And I went to the funeral, and I was sorry, and we were hugging. And me and him sat down and were talking, and he had a little leather Gucci bag. And he said, “Hey, I’m go- now listen.” He said, “I’m going to the bathroom. You wanna go with me?” I said, “No, brother.” Yeah. And I got up and left. He wanted to go do some cocaine. Damn. And that was years after, he’d been… Anyway. Yeah. But I’m glad I had to do the whole five years because I got to speak [00:46:00] in some… She called me once and said, “I got a friend that teaches a criminal justice class at a college, and they’ve had detectives and they’ve had police officers, they’ve had lawyers, they’ve had parole officers, but they’ve never had a criminal. Would you come and speak?” And I said, “I’d be glad to.” And I f- and then I called the professor and I said, “I’ve been asked to come.” And he said, “Yeah, we’re looking forward.” And I said I have to tell you one thing. I cannot come in there and speak and not tell your class that my life was radically changed April 15th, 1983, when I came into encounter with God through his son, Jesus Christ.” He said, “That’s okay.” And I went and told them, so I was glad I got to stay on parole for five years. So- So Bill what are you doing now? I know you- I’m just- you’ve got a prison ministry. Do you speak- Yeah … at prisons and, and- That’s all I do, Garrett. 40 years just- How does one get into that? Do you have an agent that booked you into different prisons- No … or how does that work? No. No. I started going in 1986 with [00:47:00] a guy named Bill Glass, who was a NFL player. Played for the Cleveland Browns. He was an All-Pro. Actually started… He got, he retired from football in 1968, so that’s how old he was. Started the ministry in ’72, and was the biggest prison ministry in the nation, had 30,000 volunteers. And I started going in as just a volunteer, and then he asked me to be a platform speaker, and I was a platform speaker for him for 30 years. And went to, I’ve been in over 500 different prisons in my life, and I do prisons almost every day, a prison or a jail almost every day. We’re getting ready to do, this will be our 17th car show up at Crossroads in Cameron, and this will be the biggest car show ever in a US prison, in history. Last year was the biggest. We had 80 cars last year, but this year we’re planning on- by car sh- car show, what do you mean? Like guys bring their classic cars up and…? And drive them in on the prison yard. Oh, wow. And the inmates get to come out, walk around and look at them. And last year we had 80 cars and bikes. [00:48:00] This year we’re gonna have 250 motorcycles and cars. Wow. And we’re gonna feed 2,000 people. We’ve got… W- we’re gonna have 2,000 meals that day for the inmates and the staff, all the staff. So that’s what I’ve been doing for all these years, and will keep doing it as long as I can, wow. But as far as… I was gonna ask you about old Joey Rags. I knew Joe Ragusa. Did you ever deal with that guy? Did you? Not directly. I followed him a lot and almo- we almost caught him too, in a hit one time. And then they saw us and they had boogied on out. But I know one story- That would have been a- … about him. He was, He needed to go… I heard this later. He needed to go to a meeting downtown, down to City Market with the other mob guys, ’cause, he was right next to Charlie Martina, and he went on several hits with these guys during the Spiro-Savella war. So he’s out at the plumbing place where he was working, so he… Guy comes in- Where was he at? Was he at St. John Plumbing? I don’t remember the name of it. It was over there by N- Jackson, Ninth and Jackson, or Truman and Jackson, somewhere over there [00:49:00] on the east side. I can’t remember the name of it now. And so he need… said… told this guy, he said, “Hey,” he said, “I need to go down to the market.” He said, “Can you give me a ride down there?” And the guy said you got your car here.” He said no, you give me a ride.” So he gets in, lays down in the back seat. So the guy takes him down there, then he gets out. No, he was a real deal. Boy, that old market was something, wasn’t it? Yeah. That old City Market. Oh, man. Yeah, heard mob guys out there. Yeah they had a pretty big… Hey, what about, I was gonna ask you about a couple guys that were big heroin kingpins, Sam Haley and Aaron Gant. Was you involved when they were really big in Kansas City? Y- I was a young policeman, ’72, ’73, ’74, and Aaron Gant and Sam Haley were like the big ducks. And they had this war going between the two little heroin organizations. And Gant was, he was in with some guys, and Aaron Gant called him Junebug. He was in with the God, there was a whole family, the Denmans. He was in with [00:50:00] these guys. And so they… And Sam Haley was… I never did understand the difference, but they had two different organizations and they hated each other is my understanding. Oh, they did. Yeah. How about Ramseys? Did you know who the Ramseys were? I don’t see. The Ramsey brothers? I remember that na- Huh? I know that name. I think one of those crime families that, that stole- they were- … money in the neighborhood and- They were the- … everyone else … they were killers, all of them. Yeah. I think there was eight boys, and at one time seven or eight of them were in Missouri for murder. And I was seeing… I was in Potosi. And Rambo, R- Roy Rambo Ramsey they called him, and he’s the one that they got a… Remember when the la- what’d they call them that you put on the roof of your car? Oh, Landau top. Landau top, yeah. Yeah. That wasn’t the word I’m looking for, though. Whatever it was, th- you could have them tops put on. Yeah. They got one put on in a poster shop over on Prospect. Oh. And [00:51:00] when they called and said, “Your car’s ready,” they went up there and killed everybody in the shop and took their car and left. And then they went out to Belton or Grandview, and there was an old couple that had a bunch of old coins and stuff, and they knew one of the people. They knew one of the brothers, and I think it was Roy. And they went out there and knocked on the door, and of course, they let them in. They told their girlfriend to stay in the car, and they went in and they shot them They were 65 and 66 years old. The little old lady was 65 and the old man was… They shot each one of them three times, and just for a few dollars worth of coins, man. They were murderers. They were killers. But I was up in Potosi and Roy asked me, he said, “Would you go see my dad?” And I was… I said… He said, “He’s in a nursing home.” And Gary, his father, was a hardworking man, had never committed a crime in his life, and he was in this nursing home. And I went and saw him and prayed for him and stuff. But here are these… He [00:52:00] had these eight sons that were murderers. They were killers. And the old man was in a nursing home dying. And, Roy asked me if I’d go see him, so I went and saw him, prayed for him. But yeah, they were something else, them guys. Interesting. You you mentioned Sam Haley. There w- we had, here just in your area, was a guy named Michael Cantu, who used to be a fire captain. Had… Was a, a big time cocaine dealer. During those years, he got into- Yeah … cocaine. He and his brother Joe and Joe Maggio, and they had a cocaine deal going, and he got back out. He had a body shop over on Independence Avenue, and two Black guys came in and executed him, basically. Left the employee there. There wasn’t anything to steal, and executed him. And the drawings, one of them we… There was a lot of speculation it looked like Sam Haley. So I think he was- Might’ve been … I think he was supplying Black dealers with cocaine I believe. I saw him meeting with some guys once that that- Yeah, they were- … I didn’t know who they were, but they all looked like Black cocaine dealers they were killers, all them guys. Haley and Gant and those guys. Did you, I asked you about, Yeah, heavy idea. [00:53:00] I- here’s a question. I just got an inquiry from one of Gant’s relatives of… They were wanting to know more about Aaron Gant getting killed. See, he got out of the joint. He went to Missouri State Penitentiary, I think it was for drugs. Yep. And he went to a club that night, and somebody walked in, was walked in, shot him, and walked out right away. Another Black dude. So this relative was asking me if I knew any more about it. I didn’t know any more about it. You remember that deal at all? I don’t remember that. Okay. I di- I actually, I was thinking that Aaron Gant and Sam Haley had been dead for years, but, that was- this was years ago. This was quite a while ago. Okay. This was probably- Yeah, I thought he might have died in prison or something, ’cause I knew they both had a lot of time. They did a lot of- Yeah … time in Missouri. Yeah. Yeah, they did. So did you- But they were kingpins. Their names are really well-known, feared names on the East Side in Kansas City. Oh, yeah. Really feared names. Absolutely. Did you ever go around Vic Fontana’s place when he opened up Fanny’s? Oh, yeah. I went in and out of several. He had several different places. He had Fanny’s. [00:54:00] He had one down on the Southwest Trafficway a little bit after your time, I think oh, God, I forgot the name of it. But yeah, the, all the mob guys went into his joints. He was mob friendly. Yeah. I was really s- I met him when he had when he had the one up on Main next to Butch’s, next to Mother’s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He had that place yeah what was, Walter Midy. Must have been Walter Midy’s. Walter Midy. Yeah, that’s where I met Vic. And then I actually plumbed that Fanny’s when he opened up Fa

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE!For nearly two centuries, Missouri State Penitentiary loomed over Jefferson City as one of the most feared prisons in America. Opened in 1836, the massive stone fortress housed generations of violent criminals, witnessed countless deaths, and became infamous for brutal conditions that eventually earned it the nickname “the bloodiest 47 acres in America.”Riots, murders, executions, and decades of human suffering left a permanent mark on the prison's history. Even after the penitentiary finally closed in 2004, many believe the darkness inside never truly disappeared.Today, former guards, tour guides, paranormal investigators, and visitors report unsettling activity throughout the prison's abandoned corridors. Shadow figures appear near empty cells. Voices echo through buildings long after everyone has left. Many who walk the prison grounds describe an overwhelming feeling that they are being watched by something they cannot see.Ghost tour guide Jenny Switzer joins us to explore the terrifying history and lingering hauntings of Missouri State Penitentiary.f you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com#MissouriStatePenitentiary #HauntedPrison #JeffersonCity #ParanormalPodcast #GhostStories #HauntedHistory #PrisonHauntings #TheGraveTalks #ShadowFigures #HauntedMissouriLove real ghost stories? Want even more?Become a supporter and unlock exclusive extras, ad-free episodes, and advanced access:

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! PART TWOFor nearly two centuries, Missouri State Penitentiary loomed over Jefferson City as one of the most feared prisons in America. Opened in 1836, the massive stone fortress housed generations of violent criminals, witnessed countless deaths, and became infamous for brutal conditions that eventually earned it the nickname “the bloodiest 47 acres in America.”Riots, murders, executions, and decades of human suffering left a permanent mark on the prison's history. Even after the penitentiary finally closed in 2004, many believe the darkness inside never truly disappeared.Today, former guards, tour guides, paranormal investigators, and visitors report unsettling activity throughout the prison's abandoned corridors. Shadow figures appear near empty cells. Voices echo through buildings long after everyone has left. Many who walk the prison grounds describe an overwhelming feeling that they are being watched by something they cannot see.Ghost tour guide Jenny Switzer joins us to explore the terrifying history and lingering hauntings of Missouri State Penitentiary.If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com#MissouriStatePenitentiary #HauntedPrison #JeffersonCity #ParanormalPodcast #GhostStories #HauntedHistory #PrisonHauntings #TheGraveTalks #ShadowFigures #HauntedMissouriLove real ghost stories? Want even more?Become a supporter and unlock exclusive extras, ad-free episodes, and advanced access:

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE!Some places don't need a story written about them—they already have one.Missouri State Penitentiary is one of those places. With a long history and a reputation for lingering activity, it's a location that has drawn investigators, storytellers, and the curious for years.Author Brian Paone took a different approach.Instead of visiting, he stayed—spending eight weeks inside the prison, writing at night, surrounded by the same environment that inspired his novel These Walls Still Talk. A story about a woman returning to confront something that has followed her for years… set in a place where many believe the past never truly left.Blending real locations with fiction, the experience raises an interesting question: when you create a story inside a place already filled with its own history, where does the line begin to blur?Because in a setting like this, it's not always clear what's being imagined… and what might already be there.#TheGraveTalks #MissouriStatePenitentiary #HauntedPrison #ParanormalPodcast #GhostStories #HauntedHistory #ParanormalWriting #Hauntings #ParanormalInvestigations #HauntedLocations #CreativeProcess #ParanormalActivityLove real ghost stories? Want even more?Become a supporter and unlock exclusive extras, ad-free episodes, and advanced access:

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! PART TWOSome places don't need a story written about them—they already have one.Missouri State Penitentiary is one of those places. With a long history and a reputation for lingering activity, it's a location that has drawn investigators, storytellers, and the curious for years.Author Brian Paone took a different approach.Instead of visiting, he stayed—spending eight weeks inside the prison, writing at night, surrounded by the same environment that inspired his novel These Walls Still Talk. A story about a woman returning to confront something that has followed her for years… set in a place where many believe the past never truly left.Blending real locations with fiction, the experience raises an interesting question: when you create a story inside a place already filled with its own history, where does the line begin to blur?Because in a setting like this, it's not always clear what's being imagined… and what might already be there.#TheGraveTalks #MissouriStatePenitentiary #HauntedPrison #ParanormalPodcast #GhostStories #HauntedHistory #ParanormalWriting #Hauntings #ParanormalInvestigations #HauntedLocations #CreativeProcess #ParanormalActivityLove real ghost stories? Want even more?Become a supporter and unlock exclusive extras, ad-free episodes, and advanced access:

(HAUNTINGLIVE) (S7 E6) BRIAN PAONE AUTHOR OF THESE WALLS STILL TALK. Brian Paone joins HauntingLive Podcast to talk about his experiences while staying weeks long writing these books in these locations and documenting the paranormal during his stay. He stayed at the Missouri State Penitentiary and the haunted Ditto house that includes Sasquatch activity on property. Brian also shares personal childhood experiences while living in a funeral home in Salem, Massachusetts.  Visit Brian's website: https://www.brianpaone.com/ Host: Trevor Bishop Co-Host: Yolanta Meri Psychic Medium Website & Shop: hauntinglivepodcast.com YouTube: @hauntinglive

Darkness Radio Presents: Pawtographs Update/These Walls Still Talk with Tim & Lauren Maile and Author, Brian Paone!What happens when an author decides to write his next novel inside one of the most haunted prisons in America? Brian Paone did exactly that. Over the course of eight weeks, he wrote These Walls Still Talk—on-site at the notorious Missouri State Penitentiary. Working at night and fully immersed in the prison's eerie, abandoned atmosphere, Brian brought to life the story of Hannah, a woman who returns to MSP to confront the dark spirit that's haunted her for years—only to find the prison has other plans. Blending real haunted locations with immersive paranormal fiction, Brian reveals what it's like to write a ghost story in a place already full of them. Get ready to step behind the cell doors and experience the creative process where fact and phantoms converge.On Today's Darkness Radio, we first review the new movie, "Michael", then check in with Tim and Lauren Maile from Pawtographs for Pooches about this weekend's birthday party for Murray in Michigan, the status of Pawtographs for Palmer, and a NEW FALL EVENT! Then, we welcome in Brian Paone in to talk about how he discovered paranormal investigating, how he fell in love with Missouri State Penitentiary, how the concept of this fictional book came to fruition, the history of the book, story, and characters, and the unusual way Brian combined real life into a fictional book to make it real again!  Get your tickets for Murray's birthday bash this weekend and other Pawtographs for Pooches events here:  https://www.pawtographsforpooches.com/Get your copy of Brian Paone's "These Walls Still Talk" here: https://bit.ly/4tvyJqTPre-order your copy of Brian's new book, "UnPacking The Ditto House" here: https://bit.ly/4cKdhHuLearn more about Brian at his website and get in on his events here: https://www.brianpaone.com/Make sure you update your Darkness Radio Apple Apps!and subscribe to the Darkness Radio YouTube page:  https://www.youtube.com/@DRTimDennisDarkness Radio Hoodies! Fleece Pants! Bucket Hats! Mugs! Glasses! and MORE!There are new and different (and really cool) items all the time in the Darkness Radio Online store at our website!  Check out the Darkness Radio Store!   https://www.darknessradioshow.com/store/#paranormal  #supernatural  #metaphysical #paranormalpodcasts  #darknessradio  #timdennis #michael #michaeljackson #maichaeljacksonmovie #pawtographsforpooches #timmaile #laurenmaile #brianpaone #thesewallsstilltalk #unpackingthedittohouse #paranormalinvestigating #paranormalinvestigators  #ghosts  #spirits  #spectres #hauntings #hauntedhouses #haunteddolls #hauntedjails #hauntedpenitentiaries #paranormalconventions #paracons #edwarren #lorrainewarren #nespr #gethaunted #paranormalfiction #paranormalinvestigationequipment #catballs #shadowpeople #hauntedobjects #Psychics #mediums   

Darkness Radio Presents: Pawtographs Update/These Walls Still Talk with Tim & Lauren Maile and Author, Brian Paone!What happens when an author decides to write his next novel inside one of the most haunted prisons in America? Brian Paone did exactly that. Over the course of eight weeks, he wrote These Walls Still Talk—on-site at the notorious Missouri State Penitentiary. Working at night and fully immersed in the prison's eerie, abandoned atmosphere, Brian brought to life the story of Hannah, a woman who returns to MSP to confront the dark spirit that's haunted her for years—only to find the prison has other plans. Blending real haunted locations with immersive paranormal fiction, Brian reveals what it's like to write a ghost story in a place already full of them. Get ready to step behind the cell doors and experience the creative process where fact and phantoms converge.On Today's Darkness Radio, we first review the new movie, "Michael", then check in with Tim and Lauren Maile from Pawtographs for Pooches about this weekend's birthday party for Murray in Michigan, the status of Pawtographs for Palmer, and a NEW FALL EVENT! Then, we welcome in Brian Paone in to talk about how he discovered paranormal investigating, how he fell in love with Missouri State Penitentiary, how the concept of this fictional book came to fruition, the history of the book, story, and characters, and the unusual way Brian combined real life into a fictional book to make it real again!  Get your tickets for Murray's birthday bash this weekend and other Pawtographs for Pooches events here:  https://www.pawtographsforpooches.com/Get your copy of Brian Paone's "These Walls Still Talk" here: https://bit.ly/4tvyJqTPre-order your copy of Brian's new book, "UnPacking The Ditto House" here: https://bit.ly/4cKdhHuLearn more about Brian at his website and get in on his events here: https://www.brianpaone.com/Make sure you update your Darkness Radio Apple Apps!and subscribe to the Darkness Radio YouTube page:  https://www.youtube.com/@DRTimDennisDarkness Radio Hoodies! Fleece Pants! Bucket Hats! Mugs! Glasses! and MORE!There are new and different (and really cool) items all the time in the Darkness Radio Online store at our website!  Check out the Darkness Radio Store!   https://www.darknessradioshow.com/store/#paranormal  #supernatural  #metaphysical #paranormalpodcasts  #darknessradio  #timdennis #michael #michaeljackson #maichaeljacksonmovie #pawtographsforpooches #timmaile #laurenmaile #brianpaone #thesewallsstilltalk #unpackingthedittohouse #paranormalinvestigating #paranormalinvestigators  #ghosts  #spirits  #spectres #hauntings #hauntedhouses #haunteddolls #hauntedjails #hauntedpenitentiaries #paranormalconventions #paracons #edwarren #lorrainewarren #nespr #gethaunted #paranormalfiction #paranormalinvestigationequipment #catballs #shadowpeople #hauntedobjects #Psychics #mediums   

Once called the “bloodiest 47 acres in America,” the Missouri State Penitentiary held more than inmates... it held riots, executions, and generations of men who never left. Today, the doors are open to visitors… but many believe the prison itself is still locked in the past.   YouTube -  https://www.youtube.com/@HauntedAmericanHistory hauntedamericanhistory.com Patreon- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/hauntedamericanhistory⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   LINKS FOR MY DEBUT NOVEL, THE FORGOTTEN BOROUGH Barnes and Noble -   https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-forgotten-borough-christopher-feinstein/1148274794?ean=9798319693334 AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FQPQD68S EbookGOOGLE: https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=S5WCEQAAQBAJ&pli=1 KOBO: https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-forgotten-borough-2?sId=a10cf8af-5fbd-475e-97c4-76966ec87994&ssId=DX3jihH_5_2bUeP1xoje_   SMASHWORD: https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1853316 !! DISTURB ME !!   APPLE - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disturb-me/id1841532090   SPOTIFY - https://open.spotify.com/show/3eFv2CKKGwdQa3X2CkwkZ5?si=faOUZ54fT_KG-BaZOBiTiQ   YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/@DisturbMePodcast   www.disturbmepodcast.com   TikTok- @roadside.chris Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Send us Fan MailWelcome everyone to Induced Fear. I'm your host, Oscar, and in this episode, I have the pleasure of interviewing Brian Paone, an author who has spent significant time in the Missouri State Penitentiary and the Ditto House, where he kept a diary. He shares both his upbringing and wanting to become an author then shares his experiences in staying in haunted locations to write his book "These Walls Still Talk" and Unpacking The Ditto House".If you would like tickets to Brian's book release for "Unpacking The Ditto House" and how you could take part in a ghost hunt please visit BrianPaone.com for tickets and info!Brian Paone: https://www.brianpaone.com/Induced Fear Contact Info:Email: inducedfearpod@gmail.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/inducedfearpodcast/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/inducedfearpodcast/Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyw2Mtsb1KXArjwmwbQu3zQ

What happens when a writer doesn't just imagine a haunted place—but chooses to work inside one? Author Brian Paone spent eight weeks writing his novel These Walls Still Talk inside the Missouri State Penitentiary, one of the most notoriously haunted prisons in America. Working alone at night, surrounded by abandoned cellblocks, execution chambers, and decades of unresolved history, Brian immersed himself completely in a place where silence never feels empty. As fiction took shape, reality pressed closer. The prison has its own rhythm, its own presence—and its own way of reminding visitors they're not alone. Writing in a place like this doesn't just inspire a story. It tests it. Today on The Grave Talks: Writing with Ghosts, a conversation with author Brian Paone. You can buy his books wherever books are sold, and you can get more information at his website, brianpaone.com. #TheGraveTalks #HauntedPrison #MissouriStatePenitentiary #WritingWithGhosts #ParanormalPodcast #HauntedLocations #GhostStories #TrueHauntings #ParanormalResearch #HauntedHistory Love real ghost stories? Don't just listen—join us on YouTube and be part of the largest community of real paranormal encounters anywhere. Subscribe now and never miss a chilling new story:

What happens when a writer doesn't just imagine a haunted place—but chooses to work inside one? Author Brian Paone spent eight weeks writing his novel These Walls Still Talk inside the Missouri State Penitentiary, one of the most notoriously haunted prisons in America. Working alone at night, surrounded by abandoned cellblocks, execution chambers, and decades of unresolved history, Brian immersed himself completely in a place where silence never feels empty. As fiction took shape, reality pressed closer. The prison has its own rhythm, its own presence—and its own way of reminding visitors they're not alone. Writing in a place like this doesn't just inspire a story. It tests it. Today on The Grave Talks: Writing with Ghosts, a conversation with author Brian Paone. You can buy his books wherever books are sold, and you can get more information at his website, brianpaone.com. #TheGraveTalks #HauntedPrison #MissouriStatePenitentiary #WritingWithGhosts #ParanormalPodcast #HauntedLocations #GhostStories #TrueHauntings #ParanormalResearch #HauntedHistory Love real ghost stories? Don't just listen—join us on YouTube and be part of the largest community of real paranormal encounters anywhere. Subscribe now and never miss a chilling new story:

What happens when a writer doesn't just imagine a haunted place—but chooses to work inside one? Author Brian Paone spent eight weeks writing his novel These Walls Still Talk inside the Missouri State Penitentiary, one of the most notoriously haunted prisons in America. Working alone at night, surrounded by abandoned cellblocks, execution chambers, and decades of unresolved history, Brian immersed himself completely in a place where silence never feels empty. As fiction took shape, reality pressed closer. The prison has its own rhythm, its own presence—and its own way of reminding visitors they're not alone. Writing in a place like this doesn't just inspire a story. It tests it. This is Part Two of our conversation. Today on The Grave Talks: Writing with Ghosts, a conversation with author Brian Paone. You can buy his books wherever books are sold, and you can get more information at his website, brianpaone.com. #TheGraveTalks #HauntedPrison #MissouriStatePenitentiary #WritingWithGhosts #ParanormalPodcast #HauntedLocations #GhostStories #TrueHauntings #ParanormalResearch #HauntedHistory Love real ghost stories? Don't just listen—join us on YouTube and be part of the largest community of real paranormal encounters anywhere. Subscribe now and never miss a chilling new story:

In 1953, a horrific kidnapping and murder captured the attention of the nation. The perpetrators were Carl Austin Hall and Bonnie Emily Brown Heady and the victim was a sweet and innocent six-year-old boy named Bobby Greenlease. Bonnie and Carl were put to death in the gas chamber at the Missouri State Penitentiary for their crime. And it would seem that although their bodies left the prison, their spirits have not and they continue to haunt the abandoned halls of death row. Intro and Outro music: Bad Players - Licensed under a non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-assignable, single-site, worldwide, royalty-free license agreement with Muse Music c/o Groove Studios. The following music was also used: Music: Podcast Music Vol. 4 [Mystery Ambience], produced by Sascha Ende Link: https://ende.app/en/song/13161-podcast-music-vol-4-mystery-ambience

Reboradcast of : Listen to Kim and Alison as they discuss their experiences at the Missouri State Penitentiary and some other locations

I saw a man once walk out of the Missouri State Penitentiary after three decades with a few dollars and no plan. I  remember that moment—and this is why I am glad Missouri has set out to build something better. Come behind the scenes with us at the MCA/MPPOA fall conference for a candid tour of what's actually working: “soft handoffs” between institutions and field teams, mental health continuity that doesn't collapse on day one, and an immersive training academy built inside a retrofitted prison that turns rookies into capable, confident officers.We sit down with probation and parole pros and they show how ORAS‑driven case plans tackle real barriers—transportation, IDs, phones, and family support—before release. Their ICTS success stories are honest and hard‑earned: late‑night ER advocacy, field pickups when groups are missed, and quiet graduations that mean someone's eight months sober and off supervision for good. Then we head to Cameron, where the Academy for Excellence in Corrections blends daily defensive tactics, cohort rotations, and hands‑on modules in a dedicated training unit filled with authentic property and safe contraband. It's a modern cadence that builds muscle memory, policy fluency, and the kind of calm that keeps staff safer—and staying longer.We also open the notebook on today's threat landscape. A gang SME explains why hybrid gangs and flexible alliances now drive Missouri's dynamics, why word choice can keep a conversation alive, and how intel shared through the Midwest Gang Investigators Association makes patrol, probation, and custody safer. From motorcycle club rivalries to cross‑agency networking, the theme is collaboration—because corrections holds long‑term insights that street partners need, and training only sticks when it's tethered to the worksite.If you care about reentry that lasts, training that works, and safetySend us a text PepperBallFrom crowd control to cell extractions, the PepperBall system is the safe, non-lethal option.OMNIOMNI is cutting-edge software designed to track inmates and assets within your prison or jail. Command PresenceBringing prisons and jails the training they deserve!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showAlso, check out Michael's newest book - POWER SKILLS: Emotional Intelligence and Soft Skills for Correctional Officers, First Responders, and Beyond https://amzn.to/4mBeog5 See Michael's newest Children's Books here: www.CantrellWrites.com Support the show ======================= Contact me: mike@theprisonofficer.com Buy Me a Cup of Coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mikeml Keys to Your New Career: Information and Guidance to Get Hired and Be Successful as a Correctional or Detention Officer https://amzn.to/4g0mSLw Finding Your Purpose: Crafting a Personal Vision Statement to Guide Your Life and Career https://amzn.to/3HV4dUG Take care of each other and Be Safe behind those walls and fences! #prisonofficerpodcast #leadership #podcast @theprisonofficerpodcast Contact us: mike@theprisonofficer.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ThePrisonOfficerTake care of each other and Be Safe behind those walls and fences!

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! For nearly 170 years, the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City stood as both a fortress and a nightmare. Opening its gates in 1836, it was the oldest continuously operating prison west of the Mississippi until it finally closed in 2004. In that time, it saw more than its share of darkness—countless injuries, violent deaths, and the infamous 1954 riot that led Time Magazine to brand it “the bloodiest 47 acres in America.” But just because the prisoners left doesn't mean the prison is empty. Today, the long, echoing corridors are filled with something else—apparitions lurking in shadow, disembodied voices, and an oppressive sense that you're never truly alone. Guides and visitors alike say the past is still very much alive within these stone walls. On this episode of The Grave Talks, Part One of our conversation with ghost tour guide Jenny Switzer about the history—and hauntings—of the Missouri State Penitentiary. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! For nearly 170 years, the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City stood as both a fortress and a nightmare. Opening its gates in 1836, it was the oldest continuously operating prison west of the Mississippi until it finally closed in 2004. In that time, it saw more than its share of darkness—countless injuries, violent deaths, and the infamous 1954 riot that led Time Magazine to brand it “the bloodiest 47 acres in America.” But just because the prisoners left doesn't mean the prison is empty. Today, the long, echoing corridors are filled with something else—apparitions lurking in shadow, disembodied voices, and an oppressive sense that you're never truly alone. Guides and visitors alike say the past is still very much alive within these stone walls. On this episode of The Grave Talks, Part Two of our conversation with ghost tour guide Jenny Switzer about the history—and hauntings—of the Missouri State Penitentiary. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

What happens when an author decides to write his next novel inside one of the most haunted prisons in America? Brian Paone did exactly that. Over the course of eight weeks, he wrote These Walls Still Talk—on-site at the notorious Missouri State Penitentiary. Working at night and fully immersed in the prison's eerie, abandoned atmosphere, Brian brought to life the story of Hannah, a woman who returns to MSP to confront the dark spirit that's haunted her for years—only to find the prison has other plans. Blending real haunted locations with immersive paranormal fiction, Brian reveals what it's like to write a ghost story in a place already full of them. Get ready to step behind the cell doors and experience the creative process where fact and phantoms converge. Today on The Grave Talks, Writing with Ghosts, a conversation with author Brian Paone. This is Part Two of our conversation. You can buy his books wherever books are sold, and you can get more information at his website, brianpaone.com. Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks 

What happens when an author decides to write his next novel inside one of the most haunted prisons in America? Brian Paone did exactly that. Over the course of eight weeks, he wrote These Walls Still Talk—on-site at the notorious Missouri State Penitentiary. Working at night and fully immersed in the prison's eerie, abandoned atmosphere, Brian brought to life the story of Hannah, a woman who returns to MSP to confront the dark spirit that's haunted her for years—only to find the prison has other plans. Blending real haunted locations with immersive paranormal fiction, Brian reveals what it's like to write a ghost story in a place already full of them. Get ready to step behind the cell doors and experience the creative process where fact and phantoms converge. Today on The Grave Talks, Writing with Ghosts, a conversation with author Brian Paone. You can buy his books wherever books are sold, and you can get more information at his website, brianpaone.com. Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks 

Good evening Cryptkeepers and welcome back!  Tonight, J talks about the Haunting of Missouri State Penitentiary.  Learn all about the true crime stories that landed serial killers in the MSP gas chamber.  J tells you about the life and crimes of the Butcher of KC, Charles Hall & Bonnie Heady, Stagger Lee, and Charles Ray Hatcher.  Learn about the riots, hauntings, and is there an alien base at MSP?  Find out tonight, on Cryptique!  This is a great companion piece to my upcoming appearance on Blondes and Boos to discuss my theories on getting interactions and EVPS from the entities at MSP.  We'll cover psyche profiles and FBI questioning techniques for the killers mentioned in tonight's podcast so don't miss it! For more info on the HAUNTED SOULZ MO STATE PEN GHOST HUNT hauntedsoulz.com www.cryptiquepod.com TikTok @cryptique_podcast YouTube @cryptiquepodcast X @podcastevil IG cryptiquepodcast Let us know about your worst nightmares at cryptiquepodcast@gmail.com For a small one-time donation, you can buy us a cup of coffee at buymeacoffee.com/cryptiquepi Cryptique is a podcast and YouTube channel that covers A.I., aliens, alternative dimensions, alternative history, astrology, bigfoot, black eyed kids, conspiracies and conspiracy theories, consciousness, cryptids, cults, extraterrestrials, fays, feral kids, flat earth, folklore, forbidden knowledge, ghosts, giants, ghouls, goblins, government cover ups, haunted items, hauntings, hat man, hidden archeology, hidden realms, indigenous cultures, lake monsters, men in black, mystic powers, near death experiences, nightmares, numerology, occult, paranormal, politics, psychic abilities, psy ops, psychedelic research and experience, reincarnation, religion, remote viewing, Sasquatch, shadow people, spirits, Tartaria, tarot, the afterlife, true crime, true stories behind horror movies, UFOS, ultraterrestrials, urban legends, weather control, yokai, Yowie.        

Buckle up, brave souls—because we're packing our bags and our EMF detectors for a ghostly getaway!

Missouri State Penitentiary.One of the most terrifying and haunted prisons in America. Nicknamed "The Walls" and infamously known as the "Bloodiest 47 Acres in America," this place isn't just a relic of history — it's a gateway to something far darker.Thousands of inmates once lived — and died — within its walls, and some say their spirits never left. From violent pasts to ghostly encounters, this decommissioned prison is a paranormal hotspot. Join us as we unlock the gates to a past filled with horror, history and hauntings. You're not just hearing the stories — you're stepping into the shadows.Ready to explore what's lurking inside? Let's get into it.#missouristatepen #prison #penitentiary #ghoststories Make sure to subscribe and follow! Listen now on Amazon, Apple Podcast, and Spotify Facebook, Instagram, Youtube = @sirensofthesupernatural Tiktok = @supernaturalsirens Send us your stories and questions at sirensofthesupernatural@gmail.com Stay Spooky!Show Sources:https://www.missouripentours.com/history/infamous-inmates/https://www.legendsofamerica.com/missouri-state-penitentiary/https://hauntedus.com/missouri/missouri-state-penitentiary-haunted/https://frightfind.com/missouri-state-penitentiary/

Hey Boos, join us today as we discuss the haunted history of Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City! Before we get into that, we discuss our top five Scooby Doo movies. Then we get into the history of the penitentiary, the ghost stories, and the pop culture surrounding it. For our Boo Crew Moment of the Week, Brooke shares some popular fan theories for The Haunting of Hill House. We would love to interact with you, send us an email or DM us on Instagram or Facebook! Follow us on Instagram - boo.busters.podcastFollow us on Facebook - Boo Busters PodcastFollow us on TikTok - boo.bustersEmail us - boo.busters.podcast@gmail.com

In this powerful and eye-opening episode of Cup of Justice, journalist Mandy Matney and attorney Eric Bland sit down with Darryl Burton, a man who was wrongfully convicted of murder and spent almost a lifetime – – in prison before finally being exonerated. Darryl shares his harrowing journey from a young man in inner-city St. Louis to facing a capital murder charge despite having a strong alibi – he was across the country in Washington state at the time of the crime. Darryl recounts the shocking details of his trial, including the ineffective assistance of his public defender and the devastating impact of jailhouse snitch witnesses who were incentivized by the prosecution to allegedly lie under oath. Darryl vividly describes the brutal realities of life inside the infamous Missouri State Penitentiary, once described as the "bloodiest 47 acres in America", and how he maintained hope despite the overwhelming odds and a prison environment that encouraged despair. Learn about his relentless fight for freedom, including writing hundreds of letters seeking help, and his eventual connection with Centurion Ministries, the organization that finally took on his case and fought for his exoneration. Today, Darryl is a co-founder of Miracle of Innocence, an organization dedicated to helping other wrongfully convicted individuals. He shares his powerful insights into the flaws of the justice system, particularly the dangers of snitch testimony and the vast disparity in resources between prosecution and defense. Learn more about Darryl's story in his book, "Innocent: A Second Look," available at TheDarrylBurton.com and MiracleMan.net, with a portion of the proceeds benefiting Miracle of Innocence. You can also find more information about their crucial work at MiracleInnocence.org. ☕ Cup's Up! ⚖️ Premium Episode Resources Check out Darryl Burton's website “Innocent: a Second Look” by Darryl Burton Learn More About Miracle of Innocence and Centurion Ministries organizations Darryl's case overview on Centurion Ministries How can you help the Miracle of Innocence?? “16 years later, Missouri man exonerated for murder meets judge who released him for 1st time” - KSHB, Feb 1, 2024 “‘No hope, no dreams:' After decades wrongly imprisoned, KC man helping to free others” - The Kansas City Star, Feb 25, 2025 Missouri State Penitentiary's History Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ Premium Members also get access to episode videos, case files, live trial coverage and exclusive live experiences with our hosts. CLICK HERE to learn more: https://bit.ly/3BdUtOE. Check out Luna Shark Merch With a Mission shop at lunasharkmerch.com/ What We're Buying... Quince - Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to Quince.com/COJ for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns . Here's a link to some of our favorite things: https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn Find us on social media: bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com   |   bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com   |   bsky.app/profile/theericbland.bsky.social Twitter.com/mandymatney | Twitter.com/elizfarrell | Twitter.com/theericbland https://www.facebook.com/cupofjustice/ |  https://www.instagram.com/cojpod/ YouTube  | TIKTOK SUNscribe to our free email list to get alerts on bonus episodes, calls to action, new shows and updates. CLICK HERE to learn more: https://bit.ly/3KBM *** Alert: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email info@lunasharkmedia.com and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Happy Halloween!!!!!!!!!  Brandon Butler and Nathan "Shags" McLeod do a ghost hunt while touring Missouri State Penitentiary at night with guides Jenny Switzer and Reese Ramold.The "Bloodiest 47 Acres in American History" refers to the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, which was given this nickname by Time Magazine due to the extreme violence and brutality that occurred within its grounds, particularly between 1963 and 1964.Topics discussed: facility history and living arrangements, infamous inmates and notable moments in its history, punishments and brutality, the basement, inhumanity, paranormal activity and Doppelgangers, Death Row and the gas chamber, what razor wire is for, mystery bait bucket and more.For more info:Fly Fishing Weekend at Big Rock Candy MountainMissouri State Penn ToursMissouri State Penn Tours FBSpecial thanks to:Living The Dream Outdoor PropertiesSuperior Foam Insulation LLCDoolittle TrailersScenic Rivers TaxidermyConnect with Driftwood Outdoors:FacebookInstagramEmail:info@driftwoodoutdoors.com

This week we interview paranormal investigator Kim Baranski with Rock City Paranormal! We chatted about her investigation methods, her recent trip to the Missouri State Penitentiary, her past trip to the Malvern Manor in Iowa, and many other experiences. Buckle up and join us on this dark and twisted ride through all things paranormal. Is there a spooky place in your state that you want to be investigated? Let us know! Be sure to like and follow Rock City Paranormal! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/unitedstatesofmurder/support

Join me for a spooky conversation with ghost hunter Hailey Robinson....we get into how to protect yourself, the right way to sage, her spookiest encounters, and even make contact with a spirit in the studio! Timestamps 01:29 Ghost Hunting at the Missouri State Penitentiary 18:09 Hospital Ghost Story 27:45 We contact a Spirit 41:10 My real life ghost encounter 55:16 Hayley teaches us how to sage our houses Links to More Info About Topics Discussed: Protection Sigils: https://www.pattiwigington.com/the-magic-of-sigils/ More about the Haunted Missouri State Penitentiary: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/haunted-history-of-the-missouri-state-penitentiary Social Links Instagram: @2hayleyrobinson TikTok: @wowitshayley @britmadrid

In this spooky episode of The Halloween Podcast, we're heading into Missouri, a state rich with ghostly encounters, tragic stories, and haunted sites. From iconic mansions to eerie prisons and mysterious roads, we dive into the history and hauntings of some of Missouri's most haunted locations. Whether you're a ghost hunter or just love a good scare, Missouri has plenty to offer. Featured Locations: The Lemp Mansion Address: 3322 Demenil Place, St. Louis, MO 63118 Built in the 1860s, the Lemp Mansion was home to one of St. Louis's wealthiest families. The mansion's haunted reputation stems from the tragic suicides of several family members within its walls, leaving behind lingering spirits that visitors still encounter today. Missouri State Penitentiary Address: 115 Lafayette Street, Jefferson City, MO 65101 Known as “the bloodiest 47 acres in America,” this penitentiary housed some of the country's most dangerous criminals. With a dark history of executions and prison riots, the prison is now a hub of paranormal activity, with ghost sightings and strange sounds reported regularly. The Pythian Castle Address: 1451 E Pythian St, Springfield, MO 65802 Originally built as a home for orphans and elderly members of the Knights of Pythias, this castle later served as a military hospital during WWII. Today, visitors report seeing shadowy figures and hearing unexplained noises, especially in the basement where POWs were once held. Zombie Road (Lawler Ford Road) Location: Wildwood, MO 63021 Once a railroad path, Zombie Road is now notorious for ghost sightings and eerie happenings. People have reported seeing shadowy figures along the road and hearing footsteps following them in the dark, adding to the road's mysterious and chilling reputation. The Elms Hotel & Spa Address: 401 Regent St, Excelsior Springs, MO 64024 First built in 1888, this hotel has seen its share of history and ghosts. The spirits of a maid who perished in a fire and a man in a dark suit from the Prohibition era are said to still roam the halls of this luxurious hotel. Union Station Address: 1820 Market St, St. Louis, MO 63103 Once a bustling train station, Union Station has become a hotspot for ghost sightings. Visitors often report seeing a woman in white waiting for a train, hearing phantom whistles, and witnessing shadowy figures moving through the station. The Jesse James Farm Address: 21216 Jesse James Farm Rd, Kearney, MO 64060 The childhood home of notorious outlaw Jesse James, this farm is steeped in history and paranormal activity. Guests often report hearing Jesse's voice and seeing his apparition near the barn, where many of his stolen goods were hidden. The Beattie Mansion Address: 1120 Main St, St. Joseph, MO 64501 Built in 1854, this mansion is known for its ghostly residents, including its original owners, Armstrong and Eliza Beattie. Visitors report seeing their apparitions and hearing voices echoing through the halls of this historic home. The Screaming House Location: Union, MO Gaining fame in the early 2000s, this suburban house became notorious for violent paranormal activity, including disembodied screams and poltergeist attacks. Though privately owned today, its chilling history continues to fascinate paranormal enthusiasts. The Vaile Mansion Address: 1500 N Liberty St, Independence, MO 64050 Built in 1881, this mansion has a dark history tied to the tragic death of Sophia Vaile. Visitors often encounter her ghost, dressed in black, roaming the grand staircase and hallways, making this historic home a prime spot for ghostly sightings. Like Our Facebook page for more Halloween fun: www.Facebook.com/TheHalloweenPodcast ORDER PODCAST MERCH! Website: www.TheHalloweenPodcast.com Email: TheHalloweenPodcast@gmail.com X: @TheHalloweenPod Support the Show: www.patreon.com/TheHalloweenPod Get bonus Halloween content and more! Just for Patreon supporters! Check out my other show! Find it on iTunes - Amazing Advertising http://amazingadvertising.podomatic.com/ Keywords: Haunted Missouri, Lemp Mansion, Missouri State Penitentiary, Pythian Castle, Zombie Road, Elms Hotel, Union Station, Jesse James Farm, Beattie Mansion, Screaming House, Vaile Mansion, Haunted America Series, Halloween Podcast Tags: Haunted Locations, Ghost Stories, Missouri Hauntings, Paranormal Missouri, Halloween Podcast, Missouri Ghosts, Haunted America Series

No need to riot! We're back again this week to cover the Missouri State Penitentiary. We've got prison riots, escapes, executions, and maybe dogs? We'd appreciate it if you took a moment to help our podcast by rating and reviewing on apple and on Spotify! Don't forget to check our show notes for our social links! Definitely check out our Instagram (@hauntedorhoaxpod). We post photos and videos talked about in the show there!Haunted or Hoax Social Medias:WebsiteInstagramTwitterFacebookSources for this Episode:TELEVISION & MEDIA: WEBSITES:https://www.missouripentours.com/history/

This is a Grave Talks CLASSIC EPISODE! The Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City has a long and dark history. It operated as a prison for 168 years and was the oldest continuously running prison west of the Mississippi until it closed its doors in 2004. Numerous injuries, deaths, and a significant riot in 1954 prompted Time Magazine to call the prison "the bloodiest 47 acres in America." Today, guides and visitors report lots of paranormal activity - apparitions, strange sounds, and creepy feelings permeate the historic hallways. Apparently, many prisoners and even guards never left. This is Part Two of our conversation with Ghost Tour Guide Jenny Switzer about the history and hauntings of the Missouri State Penitentiary. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

This is a CLASSIC EPISODE! The Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City has a long and dark history. It operated as a prison for 168 years and was the oldest continuously running prison west of the Mississippi until it closed its doors in 2004. Numerous injuries, deaths, and a significant riot in 1954 prompted Time Magazine to call the prison "the bloodiest 47 acres in America." Today, guides and visitors report lots of paranormal activity - apparitions, strange sounds, and creepy feelings permeate the historic hallways. Apparently, many prisoners and even guards never left. This is Part One of our conversation about the history and the hauntings of the Missouri State Penitentiary with Ghost Tour Guide Jenny Switzer. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

We're still waiting for the ruling from Sandy's evidentiary hearing so this week we're releasing our interview with Darryl Burton. Darryl spent a quarter-century in the Missouri State Penitentiary for a crime that he did not commit. After being released, he founded Miracle of Innocence, a charity that helps free innocent people and set them up for success after incarceration. In this interview, Darryl shares his experience of being wrongfully imprisoned and the challenges he faced when he finally got out. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This Day in Legal History: MLK Assassinated On this day in legal history, April 4, 1968, the civil rights movement faced a tragic moment when Martin Luther King Jr., an emblematic leader advocating for nonviolent resistance against racial discrimination, was assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee. King's untimely death occurred at the Lorraine Motel, a location that has since been etched into the national consciousness as a site of profound loss and reflection. His assassination sparked an outpouring of grief and anger across the United States, leading to widespread riots in over 100 cities and a national mourning that underscored the deep divisions and tumultuous struggles of the era.In the immediate aftermath, James Earl Ray, a fugitive from the Missouri State Penitentiary, was identified and later apprehended at London's Heathrow Airport, marking the beginning of a controversial and complex legal saga. Ray was charged with King's murder, and in a move that avoided a potentially explosive trial, he entered a guilty plea, receiving a 99-year prison sentence. However, Ray recanted his confession three days later, claiming he was a pawn in a broader conspiracy, a declaration that fueled ongoing debates and investigations into the assassination.The legal reverberations of King's assassination extended beyond the pursuit and conviction of his killer. In response to the national tragedy, Congress was galvanized to enact further civil rights legislation, including the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which sought to eliminate housing discrimination against minorities, a cause King had fervently championed. Moreover, the assassination intensified efforts to ensure equal rights and justice, inspiring legal challenges and reforms that continued to shape the civil rights landscape.King's legacy, deeply rooted in his pursuit of justice and equality through peaceful means, has had a lasting impact on American legal and social fabric. His vision and teachings continue to inform contemporary movements and legal principles, demonstrating the enduring power of nonviolent resistance in the face of injustice. On this day, we remember not just the loss of Martin Luther King Jr. but the enduring influence of his life's work on the quest for civil rights and legal equality in America.Sanofi has agreed to settle approximately 4,000 lawsuits in the United States alleging that the heartburn medication Zantac, which the company previously marketed, is linked to cancer. This agreement aims to resolve most of the legal actions against Sanofi in U.S. state courts, except for those in Delaware, where the bulk of cases are still pending. Despite not admitting liability, Sanofi cited the desire to avoid the costs and distractions of ongoing litigation as reasons for the settlement, the financial terms of which were not disclosed. The company still faces around 20,000 additional lawsuits in Delaware, with both sides awaiting a crucial judicial decision on the scientific validity of the claims that Zantac causes cancer. This situation follows a 2022 victory for the drugmakers when a judge dismissed 50,000 similar lawsuits on the grounds that the plaintiffs' expert opinions lacked solid scientific support. Amidst ongoing litigation, Sanofi has introduced Zantac360, a reformulated version of the medicine, following the discovery of NDMA, a carcinogenic chemical, in some Zantac pills which led to its market withdrawal in 2020 by the FDA's request.Sanofi to settle 4,000 Zantac cancer lawsuits in US state courts | ReutersA New York judge has rejected former U.S. President Donald Trump's request to delay his upcoming trial over charges related to hush money payments until after the U.S. Supreme Court reviews a separate case regarding presidential immunity. The trial, set for April 15, involves allegations of falsifying business records to conceal a payment made to silence claims of a past sexual encounter ahead of the 2016 election, an encounter Trump denies. Trump's legal team had argued for the delay, citing the relevance of a Supreme Court case set for April 25 that will consider Trump's immunity claims related to actions taken during his presidency. However, Justice Juan Merchan dismissed the delay request, noting Trump's late invocation of presidential immunity as a defense.This trial in New York could potentially be the only one of four criminal indictments against Trump to proceed before the November election, where Trump is a Republican candidate. Additionally, Trump's lawyers have sought to postpone the trial due to concerns over prejudicial pre-trial publicity, though the court has not yet ruled on this matter. The Manhattan District Attorney's office has opposed the delay, arguing that unbiased jurors can be selected despite the extensive media coverage, much of which, they claim, Trump instigated. The decision by the Supreme Court to hear Trump's appeal in a federal case has already delayed that trial, highlighting the unprecedented nature of a former U.S. president facing criminal proceedings.Trump loses bid to delay hush money trial until US Supreme Court review | ReutersThe Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court is considering class action lawsuits against the collection of website users' browsing data without consent, a practice allegedly involving tools from Meta Platforms and Google. This consideration interprets a 1960s eavesdropping prohibition, originally intended for phone and telegraph communications, as applicable to modern internet tracking. The court is deliberating on whether to allow two proposed class actions to proceed, which accuse two hospitals of violating the Massachusetts Wiretap Act by using third-party technologies that share users' activities with companies like Google and Meta. The possibility of making any ruling prospective was suggested by justices, to avoid penalizing past tracking activities not previously identified as illegal under the law.The case arises from complaints by Kathleen Vita, who alleges that her visits to the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and New England Baptist Hospital websites resulted in the unauthorized sharing of her browsing data. A trial court judge previously determined that the wiretap law does cover such internet tracking, a decision challenged by the hospitals' legal representation as an "absurd" extension of the decades-old statute. However, the Supreme Court's prior extension of the law's coverage to cell phones and text messages in 2013 supports the argument for its applicability to internet data collection.The lawsuit has drawn attention from industry groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and National Retail Federation, concerned about the implications for countless website operators using common analytics tools. Despite similar cases being dismissed in other states, the Massachusetts case, bolstered by a prior $18.4 million settlement in a similar lawsuit, could set a precedent. The defense argues that the use of such data-gathering technologies falls under a business exemption, a claim met with skepticism from the court regarding its relevance to hospital operations. The court's final decision may include prospective measures to allow website operators to adjust practices accordingly, highlighting the case's potential surprise and impact on the broader web development and ownership community.Massachusetts top court considers allowing website tracking class actions | ReutersThe estate of the late comedian George Carlin settled a lawsuit against podcasters Will Sasso and Chad Kultgen, who used AI to create a faux Carlin comedy special and release it on YouTube. As part of the agreement, the podcasters from "Dudesy" will remove the AI-generated content and are barred from using Carlin's image, voice, or likeness without permission. This legal battle highlights the challenges at the intersection of AI technology, copyright law, and post-mortem publicity rights, marking one of the first cases to address these issues head-on. The lawsuit, filed by Carlin's estate in the US District Court for the Central District of California, underscores the growing concerns over the misuse of AI to replicate individuals' likenesses. Kelly Carlin, George Carlin's daughter, expressed hope that this case would serve as a cautionary tale about the potential dangers of AI and the importance of establishing protective measures. The settlement, though largely confidential, is seen as a necessary step in addressing the legal implications of advancing AI technologies in the realm of intellectual property and personal rights.George Carlin Estate Settles AI-Made Comedy Special Lawsuit (1) Get full access to Minimum Competence - Daily Legal News Podcast at www.minimumcomp.com/subscribe

In this week's engaging episode of The Ominous Stitch Podcast, Angela delivers you the Crab Stitch TWO ways which is a fun way to finish a crochet project. Then story time with Nicole involves haunted prisons part 2: The Ohio State Reformatory, Missouri State Penitentiary, and Eastern State Penitentiary. Movie review: Se7en (1995). YouTube Channel for Demos Website: https://theominousstitch.podbean.com/ Instagram: @theominousstitch Facebook: The Ominous Stitch Podcast page TikTok: @theominousstitchpodcast   SUPPORT The Ominous Stitch Podcast & become a PATRON...you might get presents from us!   If you have any spooky experiences, we would love to have a listener episode-so please share! Email us: theominousstitch@gmail.com

In this episode, Elaine is recording in Studio Yaris (my car) as she welcomes resident co-host Joseph Stone to the show! We watch a new-to-us ghost hunting show, Portals to Hell, that explores my nightmare slash dream ghost-hunting site, the Missouri State Penitentiary - the place is scary to look at and what they ended up capturing is even scarier. How do the hosts Jack Osbourne and Katrina handle it? Check out Joseph Stone's latest novel and audiobook:https://amzn.to/41n3d0KBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/wait-whaaat-are-you-watching/support.

In this episode, I talk with John Motel about his career, leadership lessons, the transfer of maximum security inmates from MSP to JCCC, and his five seconds of fame when he made the last radio call from the old Missouri State Penitentiary.  After ten years in the United States Army, John went to work for the Missouri Department of Corrections eventually promoted to Major and retiring after 30 years of service.John now serves as the Vice President of the Missouri Correctional Association.Missouri Correctional AssociationHeirs of Restraint   PepperBall From crowd control to cell extractions, the PepperBall system is the safe, non-lethal option.OMNI OMNI is cutting-edge software designed to track inmates and assets within your prison or jail. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showContact us: mike@theprisonofficer.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ThePrisonOfficerTake care of each other and Be Safe behind those walls and fences!

In this episode we talk with Melissa who had done an investigation the night before at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City Missouri.  She talks about taking the ghost tour at the state pen and some of the things that happened.  

Angela Rowe and her three children are executed in a night of terror, where the sanctuary of their home becomes the site of a horrifying massacre. The crime scene, locked from the inside, bears the marks of stealth and calculation, painting a grim picture of the final moments of this family's life. The bullets that ended their lives set off an intricate and multi-layered investigation. In this episode, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack unravel the complex forensics, dissecting elements such as the significance of the murder weapon, the absence of rigor mortis, skin slippage, and even the thermostat's role at the crime scene. The name Leonard Taylor surfaces as a suspect, leading to a discussion of his self-defense claims, the chilling methodology of his crime, the calculated nature of his acts, and his execution in the Missouri State Penitentiary on February 7th, 2023. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:20: Joe Scott Morgan introduces single motherhood's struggles and potential dangers. He reveals the focus on Angela Rowe's homicide case and her three children. 00:03:00: Dave Mack discusses the tragic outcome of Angela Rowe's case and the uncertainty surrounding the time of death. 00:05:06: Morgan explains the time lag in discovering the bodies. 00:08:28: Dave Mack questions how investigators maintain their composure and the emotional impact of dealing with child victims.  00:11:20: Joe Scott explains the process of decomposition and how it is affected by factors such as temperature, and discusses the importance of observing the thermostat at a crime scene to understand the ambient environmental temperature 00:14:40: The terms “skin slippage” and “marbling” are explained. 00:16:39: Details about the locked house and the perpetrator's escape through a window are shared. 00:18:45: The focus on building a timeline leads to the mention of Leonard Taylor, and his claim of self-defense. 00:21:40: Morgan reveals the gruesome details of the autopsy report, explaining the multiple gunshot wounds each victim sustained. 00:24:51: The disturbing scene with the children as earwitnesses is described. 00:25:34: Joseph Scott Morgan reveals that the perpetrator was witnessed discarding a revolver into a sewer, a crucial piece of evidence that was never recovered. Challenges in determining the caliber are explained due to the absence of the weapon. 00:27:13: Dave Mack questions the importance of the missing murder weapon in the eyes of the jury. 00:28:29: Circumstantial evidence such as uncollected newspapers and mail is pointed out. 00:29:46: Joe Scott Morgan reveals that on February 7th, 2023, Leonard Taylor is executed in the Missouri State Penitentiary.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 349: Ariel Azoff is the Executive Director of Tourism and Brand Partnerships at Atlas Obscura, a media and experiences company dedicated to sharing the world's hidden wonders. Ariel's work has spanned media, tourism, social enterprise, sustainable fashion, government, and international development. She joined Atlas Obscura in 2017 to head up the company's DMO campaigns, bringing her professional media experience and personal passion for travel and sustainability to the role. An assimilated Brooklynite, Ariel is also a certified NYC Sightseeing Guide and, in her spare time, designs and leads women's history tours of the city. On this episode of Destination on the Left, I talk with Ariel Azoff about how off-the-beaten-track destinations have fueled the growth of Atlas Obscura into a global digital media company. We talk about identifying destinations that spark curiosity and wonder, and Ariel shares more about some of the out-of-the-ordinary collaborations with destinations they are enjoying right now. What You Will Learn in this Episode: How Ariel's diverse background in media, tourism, and sustainable fashion influenced her work at Atlas Obscura Why people are seeking out unique and off-the-beaten-path experiences right now and how COVID-19 has impacted this trend The collaboration between Atlas Obscura and Brand USA for the TV show “Small Town Big Story” How Atlas Obscura works with DMOs to create engaging and informative content about destinations How Atlas Obscura has evolved from a blog to a global digital media company providing not only experiences but online courses and print projects Creative Partnerships One example of Atlas Obscura's creative and collaborative partnerships is their collaboration with Missouri Tourism to write a feature article about the haunted Missouri State Penitentiary. This partnership perfectly shows off the adventurous spirit and unique storytelling approach of Atlas Obscura. By working closely with Missouri Tourism, Atlas Obscura was able to tap into the local expertise and deep knowledge of the destination, ensuring an authentic and compelling narrative. Together, they crafted an article that delves into the chilling history and paranormal legends surrounding the destination, providing readers with a glimpse into the eerie and mysterious side of the state. This collaboration not only highlights the significance of Atlas Obscura's dedication to showcasing offbeat destinations but also emphasizes their commitment to working hand-in-hand with destination experts to bring these hidden gems to light. By merging their expertise and resources, Atlas Obscura and Missouri Tourism were able to create a compelling feature that entices travelers to explore the haunted corridors of this historic penitentiary and experience the spine-tingling allure of Missouri's darker side. Evolving and Expanding the Offering Ariel shares how as Atlas Obscura's popularity grew, so did their ambition to expand their offerings. They recognized the need to provide more immersive and interactive experiences for their community of curious travelers and explorers. This led to the creation of unique experiences, such as visiting the iconic Times Square ball or having a firsthand encounter with wolves at a bar. These experiences allowed travelers to engage with their surroundings in unexpected and memorable ways, further capturing the spirit of discovery that Atlas Obscura is known for. Edu-tainment Integrating destination marketing into mainstream entertainment has numerous benefits for both destinations and the entertainment industry. By weaving travel experiences and unique destinations into television shows, movies, podcasts, or even fictional narratives, audiences are transported to these unusual locations and it not only sparks curiosity in viewers, but also offers destinations the opportunity to showcase their hidden gems to a wider audience. In turn, the entertainment industry gains access to a fresh and unique angle for their content. Resources: Website: https://www.atlasobscura.com/ LinkedIn Personal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arielazoff/ LinkedIn Business: https://www.linkedin.com/company/atlas-obscura/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/atlasobscura/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/atlasobscura Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/atlasobscura/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/atlasobscura I am so excited to announce that my first book, Stronger Together: Building World-Changing Collaborations that Succeed, has been released! Help me celebrate this milestone and expand your knowledge about collaboration. Find out more information here: nicolemahoney.com We value your thoughts and feedback and would love to hear from you. Leave us a review on your favorite streaming platform to let us know what you want to hear more of. Here is a quick tutorial on how to leave us a rating and review on iTunes!: https://breaktheicemedia.com/rating-review/

SCARED TO DEATH IS EXPLICIT IN EVERY WAY. PLEASE TAKE CARE WHILE LISTENING. Dan has standard two spoopy stories for you this week. The first is a modern encounter set in the Missouri State Penitentiary. We will go over its long history of infamous prisoners and  its paranormal lore as well before ending with the encounter tale. Then we go to Pendleton, South Carolina to check out some claims coming from the supposedly haunted Woodburn plantation. Lynze has two stories for us this week and both have a similar theme. The first up is the tale of a watchful soldier and then the second, a less than desirable situation when a cop pulls someone over.  New Merch:   We've got a fun new simple 4 year anniversary design in store now to celebrate a big milestone! Limited design available on a tee or sweatshirt. A cool handwritten 'Scared to Death' with the A in death being... 4. Head on over to badmagicmerch.com and check it out! Bad Magic Productions Monthly Patreon Donation:This month, we are headed to camp! And with that, we work hand in hand with the host camp, Camp No Counselors, to seek a worthy camp related non profit. We landed on Morry's Camp, also known as Project Morry. Project Morry was born out of summer camp pioneer Morry Stein's dream that all children, regardless of economic status, should experience the life-changing gift of summer camp. Beginning as a summer camp experience, Project Morry has grown into a comprehensive year-round youth development organization, with Morry's Camp still at the heart of our program. What I love about this non profit is that the support for under served children does not stop at summer camp. Project Morry is committed to closing opportunity gaps that exist in our community and working to ensure young people from under-resourced communities graduate high school ready for college, careers and life.  The bartenders at Wet Hot Bad Magic Summer camp are joining us by committing to donating 100% of their tips to Project Morry as well so our total for this month will be announced later. Until then, if you want to learn more, please visit projectmorry.org Standup: If you want to see a very different side of Dan than you see here and possibly see Lynze in the crowd (she is always happy to say HI!) get on over to   dancummins.tv for ticket links to shows. Come see Dan in Burlington, Providence, Lexington and more! Thank you for continuing to send in your stories, Creeps and Peepers!**Please keep doing so. Send them to mystory@scaredtodeathpodcast.comSend everything else to info@scaredtodeathpodcast.comWant to be a Patron? Get episodes AD-FREE, listen and watch before they are released to anyone else, bonus episodes, a 20% merch discount, additional content, and more! Learn more by visiting: https://www.patreon.com/scaredtodeathpodcastPlease rate, review, and subscribe anywhere you listen. Thank you for listening!Follow the show on social media: @scaredtodeathpodcast on Facebook and IGWatch this episode: https://youtu.be/G6DurorAW6IWebsite: https://scaredtodeathpodcast.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/scaredtodeathpodcast/](https://www.facebook.com/scaredtodeathpodcast/)Instagram: https://bit.ly/2miPLf5Mailing Address:Scared to Deathc/o Timesuck PodcastPO Box 3891Coeur d'Alene, ID 83816Video/Audio by Bad Magic ProductionsAdditional music production by Jeffrey MontoyaAdditional music production by Zach CohenVarious free audio provided byhttp://freesound.orgOpening Sumerian protection spell (adapted):"Whether thou art a ghost that hath come from the earth, or a phantom of night that hath no home… or one that lieth dead in the desert… or a ghost unburied… or a demon or a ghoul… Whatever thou be until thou art removed… thou shalt find here no water to drink… Thou shalt not stretch forth thy hand to our own… Into our house enter thou not. Through our fence, breakthrough thou not… we are protected though we may be frightened.  Our life you may not steal, though we may feel SCARED TO DEATH."

The Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City has a long and dark history. It operated as a prison for 168 years and was the oldest continuously running prison west of the Mississippi until it closed its doors in 2004.  Numerous injuries, deaths, and a significant riot in 1954 prompted Time Magazine to call the prison "the bloodiest 47 acres in America." Today, guides and visitors report lots of paranormal activity - apparitions, strange sounds, and creepy feelings permeate the historic hallways. Apparently, many prisoners and even guards never left. This is Part Two of our conversation about the history and the hauntings of the Missouri State Penitentiary with Ghost Tour Guide Jenny Switzer. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

Angela Rowe and her three children are executed in a night of terror, where the sanctuary of their home becomes the site of a horrifying massacre. The crime scene, locked from the inside, bears the marks of stealth and calculation, painting a grim picture of the final moments of this family's life. The bullets that ended their lives set off an intricate and multi-layered investigation. In this episode, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack unravel the complex forensics, dissecting elements such as the significance of the murder weapon, the absence of rigor mortis, skin slippage, and even the thermostat's role at the crime scene. The name Leonard Taylor surfaces as a suspect, leading to a discussion of his self-defense claims, the chilling methodology of his crime, the calculated nature of his acts, and his execution in the Missouri State Penitentiary on February 7th, 2023.   Time codes: 00:00:20: Joe Scott Morgan introduces single motherhood's struggles and potential dangers. He reveals the focus on Angela Rowe's homicide case and her three children. 00:03:00: Dave Mack discusses the tragic outcome of Angela Rowe's case and the uncertainty surrounding the time of death. 00:05:06: Morgan explains the time lag in discovering the bodies. 00:08:28: Dave Mack questions how investigators maintain their composure and the emotional impact of dealing with child victims.  00:11:20: Joe Scott explains the process of decomposition and how it is affected by factors such as temperature, and discusses the importance of observing the thermostat at a crime scene to understand the ambient environmental temperature 00:14:40: The terms “skin slippage” and “marbling” are explained. 00:16:39: Details about the locked house and the perpetrator's escape through a window are shared. 00:18:45: The focus on building a timeline leads to the mention of Leonard Taylor, and his claim of self-defense. 00:21:40: Morgan reveals the gruesome details of the autopsy report, explaining the multiple gunshot wounds each victim sustained. 00:24:51: The disturbing scene with the children as earwitnesses is described. 00:25:34: Joseph Scott Morgan reveals that the perpetrator was witnessed discarding a revolver into a sewer, a crucial piece of evidence that was never recovered. Challenges in determining the caliber are explained due to the absence of the weapon. 00:27:13: Dave Mack questions the importance of the missing murder weapon in the eyes of the jury. 00:28:29: Circumstantial evidence such as uncollected newspapers and mail is pointed out. 00:29:46: Joe Scott Morgan reveals that on February 7th, 2023, Leonard Taylor is executed in the Missouri State Penitentiary.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City has a long and dark history. It operated as a prison for 168 years and was the oldest continuously running prison west of the Mississippi until it closed its doors in 2004.  Numerous injuries, deaths, and a significant riot in 1954 prompted Time Magazine to call the prison "the bloodiest 47 acres in America." Today, guides and visitors report lots of paranormal activity - apparitions, strange sounds, and creepy feelings permeate the historic hallways. Apparently, many prisoners and even guards never left. This is Part One of our conversation about the history and the hauntings of the Missouri State Penitentiary with Ghost Tour Guide Jenny Switzer. If you'd like more information about tours and investigations, or if you'd like to read up on some of its notorious prisoners and history, visit missouripentours.com Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

Doubts about James Earl Ray, Dr. Martin Luther King's lone assassin, arose almost immediately after the civil rights leader was fatally shot on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel in Memphis on April 4, 1968. From the start, his aides voiced suspicions that a conspiracy was responsible for their leader's death. Over time many Americans became convinced the government investigations covered up the truth about the alleged assassin. Exactly what led Ray to kill King continues to be a source of debate, as does his role in the murder.However, today's guest, Mel Ayton, believe the answers to the many intriguing questions about Ray and how conspiracy ideas flourished can now be fully understood. Missing from the wild speculations over the past fifty-two years has been a thorough investigation of the character of King's assassin. Additionally, the author examines exactly how the conspiracy notions came about and the falsehoods that led to their promulgation.Mel is the author of The Man Who Killed Martin Luther King, the first full account of the life of James Earl Ray based on scores of interviews provided to government and non-government investigators and from the FBI's and Scotland Yard's files, plus the recently released Tennessee Department of Corrections prison record on Ray.In the short-lived freedom he acquired after escaping from the Missouri State Penitentiary in 1967, following being sentenced to twenty years in prison for repeated offenses, he traveled to Los Angeles and decided to seek notoriety as the one who would stalk and kill Dr. King, who he had come to hate vehemently.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3101278/advertisement

Kate Richards O'Hare was sentenced to a five-year sentence of hard labor at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City. Her crime? Violating the Espionage Act of 1917 for making an anti-war speech in Bowman, North Dakota, just two years earlier. Full story: https://www.inforum.com/news/the-vault/she-delivered-her-anti-war-speech-all-over-the-u-s-but-north-dakota-threw-her-in-prison-for-it  

Elton Castee & Corey Scherer of the OVERNIGHT channel are your new Haunted Homies, thanks for listening!  Subscribe to our YouTube & watch full episode videos > https://www.youtube.com/c/Overnight (01:04)  Live Show Start with special guest Patti Negri  (28:19) Dybbuk House & Florida Water (43:19) Sherlynn's Story: The Terrifying Encounter with Sleep Paralysis Demon  (58:01) Lori's Story: Spiritual Premonition of a Home Invasion  (01:14:46) Cadence's Story: Attachments Speaking Through Estes Method (01:30:24) Q&A  Follow us on Instagram & TikTok at @hauntedhomiespodcast // https://linktr.ee/hauntedhomies  This episode was filmed in front of a live audience at the haunted Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, MO on September 2, 2022. New podcast episodes every Sunday (YouTube videos drop on Mondays) featuring true paranormal stories from people all over the world, as well as games, comedy & more.

Dark Energy Lives At the Missouri State Penitentiary. Nearly 100 years older than Alcatraz, the Haunted Missouri State Penitentiary has a very dark history. Stories of abuse, dungeons, malnourishment, riots, murder and more are all disturbing chapters in the life of this massive gothic structure. Today it sits as a museum and tourist attraction, for years it was home to the worst of society. For others, it was their final stop before putting to death by the gas chamber. To listen to PART 2, and ALL of our EPISODES, become a Grave Keeper through our Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. As a Grave Keeper, you get: Advance Access to every new episode of our show, AD-FREE – BEFORE THEY GO PUBLIC. Access to every EXCLUSIVE PART 2 episode of our show for Grave Keeper Only! Access to submit questions to upcoming guests of our show. The “good feeling” knowing that you are keeping this show alive (It really does feel good!) Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

Missouri State Penitentiary was decommissioned in 2004, after nearly 170 years of brutal incarceration. But the stories of harsh punishments and austere living conditions still live on in the buildings today — in the people who come to visit the prison, and in the spirits who have stayed behind, replaying their years at what is sometimes called the “bloodiest 47 acres in America,” over and over into infinity. Special Guest: Diane Kitchell  Visit amy-bruni.net for details of my fall speaking tour, plus strange-escapes.com if you're ready to take a spooky vacation with us. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's episode 273 and we're having a Missouri moment! First Em takes us to the Missouri State Penitentiary, also known as the bloodiest 47 acres in America. Then Christine tells us the wild story of Milton Sharp, the inconvenient outlaw, who we've dubbed the fully inconvenienced outlaw. And if you need a code word today might we suggest: horselawn... and that's why we drink!