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The current wave of managed service provider (MSP) consolidation and rollups is being distinguished by the integration of advanced artificial intelligence (AI) expertise, particularly among entities such as SHIELD and Titan. As discussed by Rich Freeman and Jessica Davis, these newer rollups are acquiring not just MSPs but also Silicon Valley AI talent and developing proprietary AI-driven services, a marked shift from earlier private equity-backed consolidators. Rich Freeman highlighted SHIELD's recent leadership hires from Palantir and direct collaboration agreements with OpenAI, signaling an intent to embed AI at the operational core rather than simply as a tool for optimization.The structure and access to data is central to these developments. As Rich Freeman elaborated, large rollups possess a scale-driven “AI flywheel” advantage: broader customer bases provide larger datasets, which in turn drive better AI performance, operational efficiency, and profitability. This concentration creates risks for smaller MSPs that lack equivalent data pools and resources for internal AI development. Jessica Davis noted that while tool vendors and platform companies such as ConnectWise and Kaseya are enhancing AI within their offerings, their efforts are not yet matching the focused investments of the largest rollups, and are simultaneously being pressured to accelerate innovation.Commercial and operational pressures are increasing throughout the MSP ecosystem. Jessica Davis cited indications of slowing managed services revenue growth projections (potentially below 10%), alongside potential cost-cutting or workforce reductions within large rollups as private equity owners seek AI-driven returns. Divergent rollup models are also emerging—with distinctions between platform centralization (e.g., retiring acquired brands) and decentralized, founder-friendly approaches (e.g., preserving local brands and founder involvement). Decisions around acquisition, platform engagement, and specialization are increasingly nuanced as founders and owners evaluate their options under new market dynamics.For MSPs and IT service leaders, these trends necessitate a measured response. The competitive risk posed by the AI-fueled scale of consolidated rollups underscores the importance of specialization, operational focus, and alignment with platform partners committed to democratizing AI resources. Community collaboration, best-practice sharing, and strategic use of vendor tools are positioned as potential mitigants to the structural disadvantages faced by smaller organizations. Governance, due diligence, and clear assessment of vendor or acquirer incentives should be prioritized, especially as service models and influencer dynamics continue to fragment. Remaining adaptable, resource-aware, and critically informed about the changing power landscape will be vital for sustainable operations.

Most sales trainers will tell you that closing more deals requires a "killer instinct," better "closing techniques," or some fancy psychological methodology. But I just watched an MSP salesperson go from a 13% close rate in 2025 to a 71% close rate in just 45 days, and it had nothing to do with "mindset" or charisma.In this episode, I break down the real-world transformation of Garrick, a seller who closed $17,000 in MRR this month alone. We didn't give him a new script; we gave him a new system for how to think about the sales process. We move past the surface-level "motivational" advice to focus on the tactical shifts that actually bent the curve: stopping the guesswork on ROI by simply asking the prospect how they measure value, practicing the "money ask" until it became boring muscle memory, and learning to lead proposals with the prospect's priorities rather than our own expert biases.If your sales team is working hard but failing to convert, it's likely not a lack of effort—it's a lack of the system underneath the tactics. Let's look at how to stop treating discovery like a checklist and start conducting conversations that actually lead to a close.//Welcome to The Ray J. Green Show, your destination for tips on sales, strategy, and self-mastery from an operator, not a guru.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Overview: Exploring the Future of MSPs: AI, Cybersecurity, and Building Trust In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, host James Kernan interviews Tim Thomson, founder of Cyber Trends, who shares insights on the future opportunities for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) in 2026. They discuss the role of AI and automation, the importance of cybersecurity and compliance, and strategies for proving value to clients. Tim explains his journey from founding his first MSP in 2002 to building a consulting firm that helps MSPs grow and scale. He emphasizes the need for MSPs to build personal brands and leverage partnerships to succeed in an evolving industry. The episode provides actionable advice for MSPs looking to capitalize on technology trends and improve their business outcomes.  --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction to the SMB Community Podcast 00:26 Meet Tim: From MSP Founder to Consultant 02:07 Tim's Journey: Building and Scaling an MSP 04:29 Tim's Consulting Firm and Services 07:06 Opportunities for MSPs in 2026: AI and Automation 17:21 Cybersecurity and Compliance: A Growing Need 21:36 Proving Your Value: Building Trust and Personal Branding 30:01 Conclusion and Contact Information --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

Global channel sales in IT are projected to exceed $4 trillion this year, with two-thirds of total spending driven by partner-led deals, according to Omdia research. However, managed service providers (MSPs) continue to encounter significant integration failures following mergers and acquisitions, leading to operational inefficiencies and diminished client trust. The Business of Tech analysis highlights that stacking acquisitions without comprehensive integration amplifies risks, particularly affecting margins, service consistency, and accountability.Supporting survey data from POPX indicates that 60% of UK MSPs report platform and data integration as critical hurdles post-acquisition, while 44% identify poor morale and lack of team alignment as sources of inefficiency. Notably, 38% experienced client disruption during transitional periods, signaling that rapid growth without sufficient operational coherence creates drag rather than leverage. These issues are compounded by rising technology budgets—nearly 75% of organizations expect increased IT spending—and intensifying reliance on AI and cloud services in MSP environments.Additional stories addressed include the widespread adoption of unsanctioned "Shadow AI" tools in healthcare settings, with over 40% of workers aware of unapproved usage, and the increasing tendency for AI platforms to reference general sources like YouTube over traditional medical authorities. The episode further examines new AI-driven arbitration tools, platform consolidations within managed security, and the centralization of authority across purchasing and service delivery ecosystems. Vendor integrations, such as Synchro's marketplace partnership with Ironscales and LevelBlue's acquisition of AlertLogic's unit, illustrate a shift away from component choices towards streamlined, but potentially opaque, accountability structures.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the central takeaway is not the urgency to adopt new tools, but the necessity to clarify ownership, governance, and liability as technology platforms accelerate efficiency and centralize control. Failure to address integration fundamentals, define formal oversight for AI-driven decisions, and maintain transparency amid automation will expose service providers to unpriced risks and erode client trust. Sustained growth is contingent upon operational discipline, not just expanding portfolios. Four things to know today 00:00 Channel Growth Accelerates While MSP Integration Failures Threaten Margins and Trust03:58 New Research Shows Agentic AI Adoption Outpacing Governance and Workforce Readiness07:25 AI Interfaces, Security Consolidation, and MSP Marketplaces Point to a Shift in Where Authority Lives10:27 AAA's AI Arbitrator Shows How Automation Changes Who Owns Decisions, Not Just How Fast They're Made This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by: 

Global managed services contracts are experiencing reduced momentum as buyers display notable hesitation to commit to long-term agreements during a period defined by organizational pivots toward artificial intelligence. The Information Services Group reported only a 1.2% quarter-over-quarter increase in large managed services contracts in late 2025, totaling $10.9 billion, with full-year growth barely above 1%. While U.S. activity partially offsets contractions in EMEA and APAC, the prevailing environment is one of caution, shaped less by CIOs and more by business and finance leaders redirecting budgets to support internal AI initiatives and flexible operating arrangements.The growth in technology distributor activity in North America highlights increased market fragmentation rather than expanded service levels. Omdia Tech Services data indicates distributor billings grew almost 15% in 2024, reaching $16.6 billion, with over 72% of transactions concentrated among six distributors. Most billings originated with technology advisors, and both value-added resellers and MSPs contributed smaller shares. This shift points to a market emphasizing flexible sourcing—with more intermediaries and shorter deals—but raises questions about MSP control, as authority and accountability can become diluted.Intel's latest financial disclosures reveal persistent supply and execution challenges in delivering AI infrastructure solutions. Despite exceeding earnings expectations, weak revenue forecasts and admission of supply constraints resulted in a 13% decrease in company stock. The vendor attributed its underperformance to capacity shortages and forecasting issues, underscoring the risks MSPs now face in hardware planning for AI deployments. Additionally, the commoditization of key offerings such as Microsoft 365 backup and the automation of technology review processes further compress execution margins, reducing traditional revenue sources for service providers.For MSPs and IT leaders, these developments reinforce the need to reassess risk allocation, authority, and pricing models in client engagements. With execution becoming both cheaper and less differentiated, value must shift toward governance, outcome accountability, and explicit decision ownership. Delays or misjudgments related to hardware supply and service fulfillment present direct threats to project continuity and client satisfaction, emphasizing the importance of operational flexibility, active vendor management, and strategic repositioning of service offerings. Three things to know today 00:00 As Managed Services Stall Globally, Distributor-Led IT Buying Gains Momentum04:58 Intel Beats on Earnings but Misses on Confidence as AI Demand Outpaces Capacity07:27 As Backup and Reviews Are Automated, MSP Differentiation Shifts from Execution to Decision Ownership This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://scalepad.com/dave/

In this bonus episode, we break down the DOJ's aggressive pursuit of protesters who disrupted services at Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, targeting anti-ICE activists amid a civil rights probe and arrests tied to the FACE Act and possibly the Klan Act. We highlight ICE's recent wins, including cash smuggling seizures from Somali-born travelers at MSP airport and ongoing fraud investigations in the Minnesota Somali community involving welfare scams. Plus, we recognize these enforcement actions as key victories against exploitation. To lighten things up, we dive into some food talk, discussing comfort foods when temperatures plunge. Tune in for unfiltered analysis on government overreach, immigration enforcement, and community impacts. Bonus Ep. 05 delivers the facts you won't hear elsewhere. Please take a moment to rate and review the show and then share the episode on social media. You can find me on Facebook, X, Instagram, GETTR, TRUTH Social, TikTok, YouTube and Rumble by searching for The Alan Sanders Show. And, consider becoming a sponsor of the show by visiting my Patreon page!

Anthropic's disclosure of model drift within its Claude AI system highlights growing risks surrounding governance and ongoing alignment of artificial intelligence. The company has revised its guidelines using a “Constitutional AI” approach, aiming to instill reason-based behavior and ethical boundaries, and has openly acknowledged that an AI's internal controls may shift unpredictably over time—a concern when models are deeply embedded in business workflows. This admission places attention on governance and accountability rather than just model safety, making clear that the AI a company tests may become materially different after extended deployment, especially as personalization increases.Supporting these concerns, Anthropic's research demonstrated that large language models—including those from Google and Meta—can experience personality drift, with unintended shifts in behavior due to instability of internal control mechanisms. Google's updated AI offerings, tying personal data from Gmail and Photos to generative model responses, intensify challenges around data governance and organizational control. As vendors expand AI personalization and memory features, oversight gaps can emerge, raising questions about who retains authority over information, inference, and decision-making within automated systems.Adjacent findings indicate that the anticipated productivity gains from AI have yet to reach most enterprises. According to surveys cited by Dave Sobel, over half of CEOs report failing to realize ROI from AI investments, while frontline employees describe AI integrations as sources of friction and additional workload rather than relief. In the MSP sector, widespread adoption of “agentic” AI and digital labor is delivering financial upside for some providers, but it is also shifting operational liabilities—especially as contracts and security architectures lag behind new workflow realities.The core takeaway for MSPs and IT service providers is the necessity of reexamining control, authority, and contractual obligations in AI-enabled environments. Delegating tasks to automated agents increases exposure to unpriced and unmitigated risks if governance, liability, and monitoring mechanisms do not adapt accordingly. Effective harm reduction in this landscape requires treating workflows—not just models—as security perimeters, clarifying accountability for AI-driven actions, and ensuring that contractual and operational frameworks reflect these new sources of risk.00:00 AI Governance Moves Center Stage as Models Drift and Personalization Deepen05:08 AI Boosts Executive Productivity While Frontline ROI and Employee Experience Lag07:51 AI Exposes the Real Divide: Governance Failures vs. Effective Oversight in Government Systems10:39 MSPs Chase AI-Driven Margins, but Workflow Security and Liability Define the Real Risk This is the Business of Tech.   

Bob Miller, CEO and Founder of IRGame, is a technology entrepreneur with 30+ years of experience across cybersecurity and emerging technologies. He's a pioneer in using AI-powered gamification for incident response (“IR”) training, designed specifically for busy executives who can't spend full days in training but must make high-stakes decisions quickly during real crises. IRGame puts executive teams through realistic scenario such as ransomware, data breaches, business email compromise, and AI-related incidents, so they can practice decision-making under pressure. Returning to Lafayette and building startups Bob graduated in 1988 from University of Louisiana – Monroe in Computer Science and Math. He moved back to Louisiana from San Jose around 2010 and chose Lafayette as home. Almost immediately, the Lafayette Economic Development Authority (LEDA) contacted him about helping build a startup accelerator. With experience across roughly 10 startups, he became founding director of what he named the Opportunity Machine, where his title was “Head Machinist”). Bob later continued mentoring via the Accelerator Board. After three years, engineer and entrepreneur Bill Fenstermaker recruited him to help commercialize products at Fenstermaker & Associates. Bob worked on projects including a custom GIS system and underwater acoustics, following earlier work in areas like satellite systems. Later he became COO at Waitr in its early stage, helping scale from about 300 to 3,000 employees in roughly 12–14 months, the kind of operational scaling challenge he's often brought in to manage. He then joined a local managed service provider and helped transform it into a managed security service provider, an experience that directly led to IR Game. Why IR Game exists Bob identified a persistent problem: many organizations resist spending time and money on cybersecurity because they don't understand it and lack an emotional connection because they have never experienced a crisis. Traditional tabletop training exercises meant to train a business team on how to respond during a crisis (paper scenarios, PowerPoint presentations, and sitting around a conference table discussing solutions) have existed for decades, but they're time-consuming (often 80–90 hours to prepare) and require pulling people into a room for a full day, which makes them expensive and hard to scale. If it's hard, many companies simply don't do it. Bob attended a cybersecurity conference and participated in a tabletop designed for managed service providers, an exercise that was “fundamentally terrifying” and eye-opening. A worst-case Managed Service Provider (“MSP”) scenario is when a third-party tool, especially remote monitoring and management (RMM) software, gets compromised. That can lead to ransomware across an MSP's entire customer base simultaneously. The exercise illustrated IRGame's central insight: about 80% of incident response is non-technical in nature: financial consequences, shutdown decisions, customer impact, employee panic, communications, reputational and legal exposure. Bob brought the tabletop back to his company and ran it with 80 of 130 employees, customizing it with real customer names, revenue figures, and tenure. Even with a mature incident response plan and twice-yearly practice, they discovered a dozen needed changes. That convinced him that if a well-prepared security organization learns that much from a scenario, “everybody can.” The breakthrough: turning tabletop into an online multiplayer game During that exercise, a longtime software collaborator of Bob’s mentioned he still had a dormant game app framework built years earlier for a high-school project with Bob's daughter. He believed he could convert the paper tabletop into an online multiplayer experience in a weekend. After running the in-person tabletop on Thursday, he demonstrated a working browser-based multiplayer version on Sunday. They showed it to cybersecurity tabletop authors and industry influencers, Matt Lee and Ethan Tancredi, who were shocked by how quickly the tabletop content had been transformed into a functional digital game. Soon after, they invited about 20 people to test it. The early version looked rough, like a 1980s text adventure, but it worked. The response was far stronger than expected: participants reported intense emotional engagement and immediate practical takeaways. One government participant said it left him rattled, with pages of notes and a need for a drink; an MSP in Hawaii asked when he could use it with customers. That became a monthly community practice program: they've run 25+ free games, putting 1,000+ people through the system. As demand grew—especially from providers wanting to use it with customers—IRGame chose to commercialize. IR Game mirrors tabletop training but compresses it into a high-intensity, guided simulation. A scenario is narrated like scenes in a movie. Participants answer opening questions to get teams communicating quickly, which is critical because incident response requires fast coordination. Players assume roles and must allocate limited resources to tasks. Challenges pile up faster than teams can handle them, forcing prioritization and tradeoffs, just like real incidents. A key design element is pressure: a relentless timer counts down; there's no pause button. This stress reveals the truth: under pressure, people become more honest about gaps in their preparedness. That's valuable because organizations often sugarcoat weaknesses—until a simulation forces real reactions. Bob explained an example crisis scenario: a business email compromise (which he says is currently a dominant incident type). A financial firm discovers a customer wired money to a “new account” supposedly sent by the CFO, yet the CFO didn't send it. As the story unfolds, participants learn the compromise likely affected many customers, not just one. The game surfaces operational realities executives often miss: internal rumors, uncontrolled communications, legal exposure triggered by words like “breach,” and the need for an “event mode” communications policy that calms the organization and prevents chaos. AI scenarios and new risks IRGame also focuses on emerging AI-related risks. Miller says they ran what they described as the first AI incident scenario at a national security conference (IT Nation Secure) and now maintain multiple AI scenarios. The point is not to create fear, but to provide a safe environment to practice decisions around new threat patterns. Practical cybersecurity guidance for individuals and small businesses Bob emphasizes that cybersecurity is no longer optional and that AI strengthens attackers as well as defenders. He predicts that in 2026 smaller businesses will face increased targeting, because automation lets “two dudes and a dog” run campaigns that once required larger teams, making up revenue in volume rather than big single payouts. He also notes that cybercriminal ecosystems now resemble legitimate businesses, including tools, support, and organizational structure. Bob recommends baseline controls that are realistic for small organizations: unique passwords, password managers, multi-factor authentication, training on phishing, cyber insurance, and economical endpoint monitoring (EDR/MDR). These measures raise the cost for attackers so they move on to easier targets, though no control is perfect. On password managers, Bob uses Keeper and mentions 1Password and others. He strongly warns against saving passwords in browsers. He also flags emerging concerns about AI-enabled browsers that maintain a large “context window” across many sites, potentially increasing risk if compromised. On online exposure to your information, such as emails and staff info on websites, he advises sharing only what's necessary. Data can be scraped and used for phishing and impersonation. Deepfakes and better-written scams are making social engineering harder to detect. He also notes that much personal data is already exposed through breaches, citing Louisiana's DMV breach as an example of widespread data loss where every licensed driver's Social Security Number was compromised. Incident response planning and insurance pressure A recurring theme: organizations need an incident response plan and must practice it, especially as cyber insurers increasingly demand proof. In a room of 50+ attorneys he spoke to recently, Miller found only three had a plan, and none practiced it. He warned that future claims could be denied if companies claim they had plans but don't demonstrate practice. Trying IRGame for free IRGame offers free public sessions: the last Friday of every month, sign-up available via their website. Miller notes they also post recordings and content online (LinkedIn and YouTube). Visit https://www.irgame.ai/ for more information and to sign up for a free public session. You can also see how IRGame works by visiting its youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@IRGameify Personal note: music and creativity Outside cybersecurity, Miller is a musician, primarily blues/rock, and often appears on video with guitars behind him. He draws a parallel between software development and music: both require creativity within rules. He argues policies and procedures aren't bureaucracy—they're like scales and tempo: structure that enables effective performance under pressure.

MSP business model expert Dave Sobel, who built and sold SolarWinds MSP for hundreds of millions, reveals how technical professionals transform IT expertise into scalable managed service provider businesses. Struggling to turn technical skills into recurring revenue? Discover the repeatable process strategies that separate profitable MSPs from break-fix IT support. You'll learn Dave's proven approach to pricing managed IT services for premium value, building automation systems that reduce production time by 50%, and scaling without founder burnout. Perfect for tech entrepreneurs and IT consultants ready to start an MSP or grow existing managed services. Dave shares frameworks for client acquisition, cybersecurity service delivery, and systematic business protection that kept his clients loyal for 15+ years post-acquisition. Learn why competing on value beats racing to the bottom on price, how to structure MSP contracts that generate predictable revenue, and the essential PSA and RMM tools for MSP automation. This episode delivers actionable strategies for IT business growth, team building in technology services, and navigating the transition from technical operator to scalable business owner. Listen now to build a managed services provider that runs without your constant involvement.

Overview: In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, hosts Amy and James discuss their upcoming travel plans and the busy start to 2026. They tackle a key listener question about how much to invest in training for IT teams, emphasizing the importance of continuous education and proposing strategies for incorporating both free and paid training within organizations. Additionally, they cover recent news in the tech industry, including Walmart's drone delivery expansion, layoffs in Kaseya, and the latest updates from companies like Ninja One, CrowdStrike, and others. The episode also touches on future technological predictions and top job listings for 2026. --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction and Hosts' Greetings  01:18 Kicking Off 2026: Busy Times Ahead 01:47 MSP Question of the Week: Investing in Team Training  02:24 Strategies for Effective Employee Training 09:49 News Highlights: Industry Updates and Trends 15:47 AI and Future Technologies 20:27 Top Jobs and Opportunities in 2026 21:40 Closing Remarks and Call to Action --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

Send us a textIn this high-energy and entertaining episode, Joey Pinz sits down with cybersecurity founder and unabashed Italian-American storyteller Tony Pietrocola. From stomping grapes as a child to running an AI-driven security operations platform, Tony brings a rare blend of toughness, humor, and entrepreneurial clarity.They jump from wine, cooking, and massive NFL bodies to college football, concussions, and how elite athletes are built differently. Tony shares what makes college football the real American spectacle—and why private equity is about to reshape the sport.On the cybersecurity front, Tony breaks down the challenges MSPs face, why most still struggle with security, and how AgileBlue helps them build profitable, white-label practices without the overhead of running a SOC. He explains the three questions every MSP should ask a vendor, the rise of AI-assisted attacks, and why consolidation and greenfield opportunities are the biggest missed revenue streams.The conversation ends with health, habit, and personal transformation—discussing Joey's 130-lb weight loss, Tony's daily 5 a.m. workouts, and the childhood structure that forged their work ethic.

PC spending has seen a significant rebound, with Gartner reporting a 9.3% rise in worldwide PC shipments in late 2025, primarily driven by corporate IT upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements. This recovery, which saw 10.1% growth in Q4 2025 according to Omnia data, highlights a shift from consumer-led demand to necessity-driven upgrades. Despite supply chain challenges in memory and storage, leading to cost increases, 57% of B2B partners anticipate growth in their PC business, underscoring a sustained demand for hardware management and support among MSPs.Concurrently, worldwide spending on artificial intelligence is projected to reach approximately $2.5 trillion by 2026, a 44% increase from the previous year, according to Gartner. This surge is fueled by substantial investments in AI infrastructure, which is expected to account for $1.37 trillion of the total spending. John David Lovelock of Gartner emphasizes that AI adoption success hinges not only on financial investment but also on organizational maturity and self-awareness, suggesting that the value derived from this investment is not yet as certain as the spending itself. For MSPs, this indicates a growing need to navigate the complexities of AI infrastructure deployment and demonstrate tangible value to clients.In the realm of managed services, recent strategic moves by several companies signal an evolving MSP landscape. Corsica Technologies announced 105% year-over-year growth in managed services bookings for 2025 and expanded its portfolio through acquisition, aiming for consolidation and integrated offerings. Net at Work nearly doubled its managed services division size by acquiring a regional competitor, prioritizing scale. Rhubarb IT, spun out from Mac Center, is focusing on a niche Apple-focused IT managed services model, aiming for differentiation. These expansions highlight varying strategies—consolidation, scale, and specialization—that MSPs must consider when evaluating market opportunities and competitive positioning.The implications for MSPs are multi-faceted. The PC market's recovery emphasizes the continued importance of hardware lifecycle management and support services. The explosive growth in AI spending necessitates careful evaluation of infrastructure versus value, with potential risks for organizations rushing capacity purchases without clear demand justification. Furthermore, the diverse expansion strategies among MSPs underscore the need for clear operational, contractual, and financial planning to manage integration, delivery consistency, and customer expectations. The appointment of Rob Rae as a strategic advisor to Guards highlights the critical need for transparency in vendor relationships, particularly concerning incentives, as undisclosed financial arrangements can introduce bias and risk for MSPs who rely on objective evaluation of technologies and partners. Four things to know today 00:00 PC Spending Reflects Operational Necessity While AI Spending Bets on Unproven Demand03:57 OpenAI Promises to Offset Energy and Water Impact as AI Infrastructure Outpaces Regulation05:45 MSP Growth Paths Diverge as Corsica, Net at Work, and Rhubarb IT Make Different Strategic Bets09:09 Guardz's Rob Rae Advisory Appointment Raises Transparency and Governance Questions for MSPs This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://cometbackup.com/?utm_source=mspradio&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sponsorship

Sail the seas of tech and AI with experience and confidence.  Gavin Garbutt, Co-Founder and Chairman of Augmentt shares how MSPs must evolve to secure and manage Microsoft 365 and SaaS environments. Adopt a security-first mindset, and dramatically increase technician capacity through standardized Microsoft security best practices; through a unified Microsoft Security Management Platform designed for MSPs. Gavin outlines why “blocking and tackling” fundamentals—leveraging audits and maintaining a consistent security posture—remain critical as MSPs prepare for AI-driven growth.  Key Highlights:  How Augmentt represents the “next generation of RMM” for Microsoft 365, Intune, Defender and SaaA visibility.   Intune Autopilot enables MSPs to standardize, audit, and deploy policies across multiple tenants. 'Secret Sauce' for fostering successful partner and customer relationships. Series A funding, strategic partnerships and marketplace strategy (including Pax8) accelerate innovation and scale. Gavin's vision for unified security, AI enablement, and helping MSPs become more profitable. The charge to go from being reactive to becoming proactive; for 10,000 users per tech and 5x revenue per tech.   From sailing the open seas to navigating the channel's next wave, this conversation delivers practical insight for MSP leaders planning for 2026 and beyond.  Visit augmentt.com/ to learn more and to take advantage of a free security audit report & tool.   Timestamps:  Audit as a Best Practice 13:31  Quickfire Questions 32:45 What to Expect 36:26

This is a "Best of" from January 16, 2023, Episode 24 in remembrance of Mark Schieber, who passed away on November 17, 2025.  We sit with former MSP assistant warden and historian Mark Schreiber to trace Missouri corrections from segregated tiers and whistle calls to cameras, structured movement, and a museum that fights tornadoes and time. Stories of investigations, integration, inmate culture, and saving archives reveal how people, not just buildings, define the work.• starting at MSP in 1968, early mentorship and undercover work• major cases, investigations and use of force evolution• pay, professionalism and building maximum-security capacity• integrating a segregated prison and managing factions• “colonist” inmates, reentry fears and modern life gaps• cameras as deterrence, logistics during riots and moves• preserving history: ledgers, photos and museum plans• EF3 tornado damage, tours recovery and future headquarters• inmate art, tools like line sticks and Oregon boots• new book Forgotten Shadows and why people matter mostHere is Mark's Obituary: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/mark-schreiber-obituary?id=60095560Shanks to Shakers: Reflections of the Missouri State PenitentiarySomewhere in Time (170 Years of Missouri Corrections)Send us a text Support the showAlso, check out Michael's newest book - POWER SKILLS: Emotional Intelligence and Soft Skills for Correctional Officers, First Responders, and Beyond https://amzn.to/4mBeog5 See Michael's newest Children's Books here: www.CantrellWrites.com Support the show ======================= Contact me: mike@theprisonofficer.com Buy Me a Cup of Coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mikeml Keys to Your New Career: Information and Guidance to Get Hired and Be Successful as a Correctional or Detention Officer https://amzn.to/4g0mSLw Finding Your Purpose: Crafting a Personal Vision Statement to Guide Your Life and Career https://amzn.to/3HV4dUG Take care of each other and Be Safe behind those walls and fences! #prisonofficerpodcast #leadership #podcast @theprisonofficerpodcast Contact us: mike@theprisonofficer.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ThePrisonOfficerTake care of each other and Be Safe behind those walls and fences!

Apple has introduced Creator Studio, a subscription-based suite that embeds AI-assisted features directly into familiar productivity and creative tools while maintaining strict control over interfaces and user experience. Alongside this launch, Apple confirmed a multiyear partnership with Google to use Gemini and Google Cloud as foundational AI infrastructure, reportedly involving annual payments of around $1 billion. The approach reinforces Apple's strategy of treating AI models as interchangeable components while retaining authority at the application layer, shifting responsibility for governance and oversight away from the platform and toward downstream users and advisors.Google, meanwhile, expanded Gemini through a new Personal Intelligence feature that can reason across Gmail, Photos, Search, and YouTube data for consumer accounts. Available initially to paid subscribers and requiring explicit consent, the capability highlights Google's advantage in contextual data rather than model novelty. By keeping the feature out of Workspace for now, Google appears to be setting user expectations in consumer environments before enterprise deployment, a move that may influence how business users evaluate AI-enabled decision support in the future.Pax8 disclosed a data leak affecting approximately 1,800 MSP partners after an internal spreadsheet was mistakenly shared with a limited number of recipients. While no personally identifiable information was exposed, the data included licensing and commercial details that could be used for competitive intelligence or targeted attacks. The incident coincides with Pax8's rapid international expansion, new regional offices, and growing reliance by MSPs on its marketplace for procurement and security tooling, including the recent addition of Cork Cyber's risk intelligence platform.Taken together with renewed attention on AI governance, the Secure by Design initiative, and guidance on when to apply GenAI versus traditional code, the episode underscores a widening gap between automation and authority. Surveys show a majority of IT leaders now prioritize AI governance, reflecting concern over accountability, data flows, and failure handling. For MSPs and IT service providers, these developments reinforce the need to clearly define who has the power to approve, pause, or override AI-driven systems and platform dependencies, as clients increasingly expect service providers to explain and manage outcomes they may not fully control. Four things to know today Apple's Creator Studio and Google Partnership Show a Strategy Built on Control, Not AI OwnershipAs Gemini Reasons Across Gmail, Search, and YouTube, Google Redefines AI Advantage Around Context            Pax8 Data Leak, Rapid Expansion, and Marketplace Growth Expose Risk Shift to MSPsAI Governance, Secure by Design, and GenAI Adoption Reveal a Growing Authority Gap for MSPs This is the Business of Tech.    Supported by:  https://scalepad.com/dave/

Automox announces its new partnership with Splashtop, bringing secure remote control directly into the Automox console. Host Peter Pflaster is joined by Italo Nava from Splashtop and Automox Product Manager Steph Rizzuto on launch day to break down the integration and what it means for IT teams.They discuss why remote access is still essential even when automation handles most of the work, the cost of switching between tools during urgent issues, and how Splashtop's 20 years of experience drives reliability and security. Steph also shares early access results, including average connection times under 10 seconds and a 95% success rate.

Overview: In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, hosts James and Amy discuss the key challenges and opportunities MSPs (Managed Service Providers) will face in 2026. They emphasize the importance of AI integration, staff training, tool consolidation, and strategic partnerships. They also highlight the need for MSPs to focus on soft skills and personal customer interactions, as AI takes over more technical tasks. The episode concludes with positive news about U.S. productivity and an announcement about the acquisition of Small Biz Thoughts and IT Service Provider University by MSP Radio.  --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:35 Holiday Season Reflections 01:42 MSP Question of the Week: Challenges and Opportunities for MSPs in 2026  10:35 Tool Consolidation and Operational Efficiency 14:30 Client Expectations and Value Demonstration 19:07 Big News: MSP Radio Acquisition 20:51 Closing Remarks --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

Send us a textIn this insightful episode of Joey Pinz Disciple Conversations, Joey sits down with industry veteran Raffaele Mautone, the visionary CEO behind Judy Security. With more than 25 years in cybersecurity, Raffaele reveals why traditional security models no longer work for MSPs—and how a simpler, partner-led approach is reshaping the future.Raffaele shares how the shift from point products to unified visibility is transforming how MSPs protect clients, reduce noise, and deliver measurable value. He explains Judy's “Blue Team” approach, instant provisioning, and real-time OpenXDR visibility—allowing MSPs to win more business without rip-and-replace tactics.They also explore AI's rapid acceleration, the fragmentation of global cyber standards, and why customers are desperate for clarity, not more tools. Raffaele's passion for reading, family, and his beloved Bernedoodles also highlight the human side of leadership in an increasingly complex world.The episode ends with a powerful reflection on personal focus, consistency, and showing up daily—no matter what the challenge brings.

Send us a textEpisode 800 of Joey Pinz Discipline Conversations is a milestone moment—recorded live on stage at IT Nation 2025 in Orlando. In this special episode, Joey Pinz shares his speaking session, “Media Mastery: How MSPs Can Drive Growth with Podcasting, Video, and Beyond.”What started as an early-morning session turned into a packed room of MSPs and vendors eager to learn how modern buyers actually discover and trust service providers today. The message is clear: your next client isn't Googling—they're scrolling.Joey breaks down how MSPs can shift from chasing leads to creating conversations using podcasts, video, and authentic storytelling. Drawing from his journey building and selling an MSP, launching a top-ranked podcast, and growing a 75,000+ subscriber media platform, Joey offers practical, no-fluff guidance you can apply immediately—without fancy gear or massive budgets.This episode blends real-world examples, tactical advice, and live audience Q&A covering everything from starting your first podcast to sourcing guests, building credibility, and standing out in a noisy market.If you're an MSP owner, vendor, or service-based business looking to build trust, visibility, and long-term growth, this episode delivers the blueprint—straight from the IT Nation stage.⭐ Top 3 Highlights1️⃣ The Modern MSP Funnel – Awareness → Trust → Conversations → Revenue2️⃣ Why Real Conversations Beat Webinars & Pitches

Send us a textIn this thoughtful and deeply human conversation, Joey Pinz sits down with Sharon Florentine, Editorial Director at CyberRisk Alliance, to explore the intersection of creativity, leadership, community, and the ever-changing MSP landscape. Sharon shares her roots as a rhythm guitarist, her love of knitting, and the creative habits that keep her grounded before diving into the bigger questions facing today's MSPs.Sharon breaks down the three biggest challenges MSPs face—security, human capital, and sustainable growth—and explains how media, community, and honest storytelling can help leaders navigate them. She discusses how CyberRisk Alliance supports MSPs with trusted reporting, events, education, and authentic industry insight.The conversation also explores the evolution of publishing, the role of AI in editing, the importance of company values, and the subtle but powerful impact of workplace culture. Sharon also opens up about her personal journey quitting smoking and how consistency, clarity, and self-awareness shape both personal and professional success.This episode blends heart, humor, and hard-won wisdom—perfect for anyone building a business, a team, or a better version of themselves.

Today I'm joined by Matt Tougas, CEO of Mizo. We'll explore how Matt's background as a software engineer and MSP operator led him to develop Mizo, an AI-powered help desk automation platform. We discuss the realities of AI adoption in the MSP industry, why AI agents can sometimes outperform humans in quality and consistency, and why Canadian companies have such an outsized impact in the global MSP software ecosystem. We're talking MSP innovation, Canadian tech pride, and the real-world impact of agentic AI in service operations. Let's get started!   This episode is brought to you by Opsleader Pro. A place for MSP owners and managers to get the systems and tools they need to build a stable and growing MSP. Part group coaching, part peer group, everything you need to run a successful MSP.

Rising workplace use of artificial intelligence is outpacing organizational governance, according to data from Microsoft and Gallup. Microsoft reports global AI adoption reached 16.3% in 2025, while Gallup finds nearly half of U.S. workers use AI tools at work at least annually. Despite that usage, only a minority of employees report clear employer guidance on AI ownership and purpose, creating accountability gaps that frequently surface during incidents or audits.Additional data underscores uneven adoption and oversight. Microsoft's AI Economy Institute notes adoption rates in the Global North are nearly double those in the Global South, correlating with earlier infrastructure and policy investment. Within organizations, most AI usage remains occasional rather than daily and is concentrated in knowledge roles, suggesting informal, user-driven deployment rather than standardized programs—conditions that complicate governance for MSP-supported environments.Microsoft's product moves further elevate the governance issue. The company is testing policies allowing IT administrators to uninstall Copilot on managed devices while simultaneously enforcing Windows and Office end-of-life timelines through 2026 and embedding purchasing directly into Copilot workflows. These changes expand administrative control but also place AI more firmly inside operational and economic decision paths that MSPs help manage.Platform announcements from Acronis, Hexnode, and Google extend automation from assistance to execution, while public comments from Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang and Linux creator Linus Torvalds highlight differing views on AI speed versus discipline. For MSPs and IT service providers, the practical takeaway centers on accountability: as AI systems take actions rather than make suggestions, governance, policy definition, and oversight become explicit services rather than implied responsibilities. Four things to know today 00:00 AI Use Expands at Work, but Employees Say Transparency and Ownership Are Missing04:37 Microsoft Lets IT Uninstall Copilot as Windows and Office End-of-Life Deadlines Near07:38 Acronis Launches Archival Storage as Hexnode and Google Advance Platform-Centric Automation11:07 Jensen Huang Warns Against AI Regulation as Linus Torvalds Limits AI's Role in Critical Code This is the Business of Tech.     Supported by:  https://scalepad.com/dave/

After a difficult week in MSP, Pastor Micah continues our exploration of the seven days of creation by looking at day two symbolizing separation and space-making. New life often requires creating space — between old and new, chaos and order, what was and what's coming.

The recent acquisition of Small Biz Thoughts and IT Service Provider University by MSP Radio marks a significant shift in the landscape of resources available to Managed Service Providers (MSPs). This acquisition aims to ensure the continued stewardship of valuable intellectual property, including books and community resources, while allowing founder Karl Palachuk to refocus on his original goals of writing, speaking, and traveling. The deal emphasizes the importance of maintaining community engagement and enhancing the value of existing assets for the benefit of MSPs.Karl Palachuk discussed the filters he applied when selecting a buyer, prioritizing compatibility and the potential for growth within the community. He expressed a desire for the new ownership to actively utilize the acquired assets to foster a thriving environment rather than allowing them to stagnate. The conversation highlighted the importance of community in the tech industry, where collaboration and shared knowledge have historically driven success.In addition to the acquisition, the episode touched on the evolving role of AI in the MSP sector. Palachuk noted that while AI is set to enhance productivity, it will also necessitate a shift in the skills required for technicians and service providers. The discussion underscored the need for MSPs to adapt to these changes, as the industry faces a wave of mergers and acquisitions that could reshape service delivery models.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the implications of these developments are clear. The acquisition represents an opportunity to access a wealth of resources and knowledge while navigating the challenges posed by AI and market consolidation. Engaging with the Small Biz Thoughts community can provide valuable insights and support as MSPs work to enhance their service offerings and adapt to the changing landscape of technology and client needs.

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Wondering what SIs care about and how they approach implementing ISVs for the first (or hundredth) time? This episode if for you!In the latest episode of How We Got There, I speak with Steve Simpson, VP of Global Enablement & Learning at Copado, Co-Founder of Catcusforce and Certified Architect Instructor. Steve and I dive deep on the reality of the complex deal cycles that Salesforce ISVs experience and how best to posture in them, especially with new to you SIs. It's a timely episode as Cactusforce and Architect Dreamin' are coming up in Phoenix in late January and it's not too late to sponsor to fill the funnel for the new year….and get some warm weather in the winter! Go to the websites to learn more and find the prospectus.The customer, Salesforce AEs/SEs/RVPs, SIs can all be involved in a deal. Steve explains the personas in a deal and how it can/should change based on how you came to the deal. Did Salesforce or an SI bring you to the deal? Then they are the dominant person in the deal and you need to adjust your posture but one thing is a common through line is to make sure you continue to do right by the customer “with honesty and delivery”. Obviously you can ignore all of this complexity, but it introduces risk in your deals!Steve has wonderful detailed suggestions on how you position your experience in a specific scenario, even if you don't have any, that he borrows from a friend who trains physicians. He then relates it to how an SI can communicate their experience on your app. We talk about learning strategies that is tailored for customers and partners, the latter covering both sales and delivery. Steve is a wealth of knowledge and I am grateful for his sharing so freely.This episode is brought to you by Tequity Advisors . Tequity Advisors is a global sell-side M&A advisory firm with core expertise in SaaS and ISVs, Salesforce, ServiceNow, SAP, Microsoft, all things Data and AI, and the hyper scaler MSP cloud ecosystems with a focus on the Salesforce ecosystem and beyond! 

Overview: In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, hosts James Kernan and Amy Babinchak discuss various strategies for IT professionals and MSPs to monetize AI by 2026. The conversation begins with a recount of Amy's experience with extreme weather in Michigan and swiftly transitions into the main topic - how AI can be incorporated into IT services. They explore different approaches taken by participants in Amy's AI class, ranging from AI assessments and reporting, to integrating AI into grant writing and business operations. The hosts also touch on the recent news about Microsoft integrating Anthropic's Claude into their Copilot tools, enhancing security and privacy. The episode wraps up with a teaser for next week's discussion on challenges for 2026.  --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome  03:05 MSP Question of the Week: AI Go-to-Market Strategies for 2026  11:54 Integrating AI into Monthly Services 19:47 Challenges and Future of AI in MSPs 23:34 Conclusion and Call to Action --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

As rumors swirl around a major political fallout in Minnesota, Tara breaks down why this moment matters — and why the media can't spin its way out of it.

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Send us a textReady to turn CISSP Domain 3.5 into practical moves you can deploy on Monday? We unpack how real SOC teams apply microsegmentation, identity-aware controls, and targeted inspection to crush lateral movement without dragging performance. Along the way, we demystify AI's role: where detection engineering benefits from crisp use cases, how Tier 1 triage speeds up, and why models still need human oversight and rigorous validation to stay trustworthy.We also step through common network design traps that drain budgets and weaken defenses. VLAN sprawl looks tidy on paper but collapses under hybrid cloud dynamics. Central chokepoints promise control yet introduce latency and single failure domains. The smarter path is selective inline inspection where risk is highest, strong encryption everywhere else, and host-based enforcement that understands identity and context after decryption. If you've been tempted to collapse controls into one “do-everything” appliance, we lay out the hidden cost: a fragile core that turns into a single point of failure when you need it most.To ground the theory, we walk through scenario-style questions that mirror real decisions security leaders face: stopping east-west movement, balancing HA with inspection, drawing zero trust boundaries that don't assume implicit trust, and enforcing policy on encrypted traffic. You'll leave with patterns you can adapt immediately: start small, define use cases, validate outputs like code, and iterate with tight feedback loops. Whether you run a SOC, partner with an MSP, or are targeting a first-time CISSP pass, this conversation gives you a clear map from concept to control. If this helped, follow the show, share it with a teammate, and leave a quick review so others can find it too.Gain exclusive access to 360 FREE CISSP Practice Questions at FreeCISSPQuestions.com and have them delivered directly to your inbox! Don't miss this valuable opportunity to strengthen your CISSP exam preparation and boost your chances of certification success. Join now and start your journey toward CISSP mastery today!

The conversation centers on the evolving role of automation in Managed Service Providers (MSPs), particularly the implementation of human-in-the-loop AI systems. Mathieu Tougas, CEO of Mizo Technologies, emphasizes that while automation can significantly enhance efficiency—reporting a 26% increase in technician capacity and a 30% reduction in escalations—maintaining human oversight is crucial for ensuring service quality. This approach allows technicians to delegate low-value tasks to AI agents while focusing on higher-value customer interactions, thereby preserving the essential human element in service delivery.Tougas outlines the methodology behind these efficiency gains, which involves analyzing ticket resolution times before and after deploying Mizo's solutions. The data indicates that technicians can handle more tickets in less time, which can lead to reduced staffing needs without compromising service quality. He also addresses common misconceptions among MSPs regarding AI, particularly the fear of losing control over service quality when delegating tasks to automated systems. Instead, he argues that AI should be viewed as a tool to enhance technician capabilities rather than replace them.The discussion also touches on the importance of integrating AI tools into existing workflows without causing disruption. Mizo Technologies employs a two-week fine-tuning period to adapt its systems to the specific processes of each MSP, ensuring a smoother transition and minimizing the need for extensive retraining. This gradual approach allows organizations to build trust in the AI systems while optimizing their service desk operations.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the key takeaway is the necessity of balancing automation with human oversight to maintain service quality. As the industry moves towards greater automation, understanding the right contexts for AI deployment and ensuring robust processes are in place will be essential for maximizing efficiency and customer satisfaction. Embracing AI thoughtfully can lead to significant operational improvements while still addressing the critical need for human interaction in service delivery.

In this enlightening episode of MSP Business School, host Brian Doyle engages with Taiye Lambo, an expert outside the traditional MSP community, to delve into the burgeoning world of AI. Introduced as a crucial discourse surrounding artificial intelligence, the conversation captures Taiye's insights on the myriad ways AI can be implemented responsibly, focusing on his Project Cerebellum initiative. Taiye Lambo's distinctive experiences, from his early days as an IT manager in the UK to his current work in AI governance, serve as a backdrop for this intriguing discussion. Throughout the episode, Taiye elaborates on the complexities of AI integration in modern technology, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach between innovation and risk management. The conversation encompasses discussions about frameworks like the NIST AI RMF and emerging regulations, such as the Texas Responsible AI Governance Act (TRAIGA). Taiye's passionate advocacy for harmonizing global AI standards and promoting an efficient, secure, and ethical approach to AI adoption is laid bare, making this episode a valuable listen for those invested in technology ethics and cybersecurity. Key Takeaways: AI Integration Complexity: The expanding role and potential challenges of AI in tech sectors necessitate a thoughtful approach to integration, prioritizing innovation without compromising security. Risk Management Balance: Organizations must evaluate their position on the innovation curve, balancing between leading-edge and laggard tendencies depending on their risk appetite. Regulatory Insight: The importance of aligning with frameworks like NIST AI RMF to meet emerging state-level AI regulations, as exemplified by Texas's upcoming AI governance law, is highlighted. Project Cerebellum's Mission: Taiye introduces his initiative's mission to harmonize AI best practices across global standards, offering practical tools and frameworks like the TAMEScore platform. Future of AI Governance: Encouragement for stakeholders to proactively engage with AI technologies, understanding the dual impacts, both beneficial and risky, of thes Guest Name: Taiye Lambo LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taiyelambo/ Company: Holistic Information Security Practitioner Institute (HISPI) Website: https://www.hispi.org/ Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Host Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylevciotoolbox/ Sponsor vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com

Laith Palhawan, CEO and founder of OrangeCrew, has successfully transitioned his managed IT services company into the public sector by becoming GSA certified, allowing him to provide IT services to government agencies. This shift has required a deep understanding of compliance and security requirements that differ significantly from those in the private sector. In the public sector, clients expect adherence to strict standards and predefined solutions, which contrasts with the more flexible and responsive approach typically found in private business engagements.Pahlawan's experience highlights the challenges of profitability in the managed services landscape, particularly when working with government contracts that often yield lower margins of 10-15%. He emphasizes the importance of strategic partnerships and effective business analysis to maintain sustainable margins. By utilizing tools like Power BI and Kaseya, OrangeCrew can track time and resources spent on each client, allowing for informed decisions about which clients to prioritize and which to decline based on profitability and demand.The episode also delves into OrangeCrew's innovative use of artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance internal operations and client services. Pahlawan has developed a centralized database that integrates various data sources, enabling the use of AI to analyze client interactions and identify potential issues proactively. This system not only improves operational efficiency but also positions OrangeCrew as a forward-thinking MSP capable of offering advanced solutions to clients, particularly in the realm of AI.For MSPs and IT service leaders, the insights shared by Pahlawan underscore the necessity of adapting to evolving client needs, particularly regarding compliance and AI integration. As businesses increasingly rely on AI for operational efficiency, MSPs must enhance their understanding of data management and automation to remain competitive. The conversation serves as a reminder that embracing new technologies and strategic partnerships can lead to sustainable growth and improved service delivery in a challenging market.

I just wrapped a full day of calls with 75 MSP business owners about goal setting, and I heard all the mistakes I've made myself over 20+ years—from leading eight sales turnarounds to turning around a 40-year-old PE-backed company to its highest revenue ever. The most common mistakes? Inaccurate goals where the math doesn't map. Unrealistic goals that look good in December but are dead by March. Setting them too high so your team quietly thinks "that's never happening," or too low creating a complacent half-ass culture. Or worst of all—not setting goals at all. Here's why I'm passionate about this: the right goals manage for you, change behavior, and help people make decisions when you're not around. But bad goals make terrible people look good and great people look bad, which ruins your culture. This episode breaks down why I don't believe in "shoot for the moon, hit the stars"—that just means you're constantly missing and creating a losing culture. Learn why starting small and building a winning habit matters more than big aspirational numbers, why your goals need integrity (not pencil marks that change when you're behind), and how to rebuild momentum with bite-sized wins instead of resetting the whole target.//Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

The episode reviews the outcomes of predictions made for 2025, highlighting the evolving role of automation and AI in Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Key findings indicate that while generative AI has improved data accessibility, it has not fully resolved existing reporting issues related to data quality and governance. Additionally, the anticipated widespread adoption of autonomous IT systems among small and medium-sized businesses (SMBs) has not materialized, as many still rely on traditional remote monitoring and management (RMM) tools. The episode emphasizes that AI governance and advisory services have become central to modern MSP offerings.Further analysis reveals that while AI-driven legal services gained traction, MSPs have not widely adopted these as packaged offerings. Instead, they have focused on AI compliance and regulatory advisory services. The discussion also touches on the mixed results of fraud prevention becoming a standard service, with significant growth in some sectors but uneven adoption across the board. The episode concludes with a scorecard of predictions, noting a few clear successes in AI governance and readiness consulting, while highlighting a notable miss regarding decentralized MSP models.Looking ahead to 2026, the episode presents several predictions that reflect the increasing importance of automation in IT services. It suggests that MSPs whose revenue models still depend heavily on human labor will face pressure to adapt, as automation becomes the primary driver of service scalability. The discussion also raises concerns about accountability in automation, predicting that individuals may be held responsible for failures in automated systems, emphasizing the need for robust governance frameworks.The implications for MSPs and IT service leaders are significant. As automation becomes the production system for IT services, providers must focus on governance, risk management, and advisory roles to differentiate themselves in a competitive landscape. The episode underscores the necessity for MSPs to evolve their service offerings and business models to align with these trends, ensuring they remain relevant and capable of delivering value in an increasingly automated environment.

Today, my guest is Adam Dickinson, whose journey took him from planning a career in medicine, to becoming a Mandarin-speaking intelligence analyst with the FBI for 15 years, covering everything from cyber issues to counterintelligence and even terrorism. In this episode, we dig into what led Adam to the FBI, the unexpected turns in his career, and how pivotal moments—both personal and professional—prompted deeper reflection on identity, growth, and purpose. We discuss how he's translated those experiences into his new chapter as a business owner, and talk about the importance of intuition, critical thinking, and balancing logic with your gut in decision-making. Whether you're grappling with change, rethinking your direction in business, or fascinated by journeys from federal service to entrepreneurship, there's something here for you. So, let's jump right in! -- This episode is brought to you by Opsleader Pro. A place for MSP owners and managers to get the systems and tools they need to build a stable and growing MSP. Part group coaching, part peer group, everything you need to run a successful MSP.

Overview: In this episode of the SMB Community Podcast, hosts James Kernan and Amy Babinchak discuss the top opportunities for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) looking ahead to 2026. They focus on the importance of AI integration, data management, and the need for proper training, as well as compliance and governance issues. They also touch on the ongoing trends in mergers and acquisitions within the MSP industry. Additional topics include leveraging industry awards for marketing and the ongoing debate around cryptocurrency investments. The episode is full of actionable advice for MSPs aiming to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving industry. --- Chapter Markers: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome  02:01 MSP Question of the Week: Top Opportunities for MSPs in 2026 02:53 AI and Data Management 05:42 Compliance and Regulations 08:34 Mergers and Acquisitions 11:15 Training and Readiness for AI 15:57 MSP Titans Event 19:37 Crypto Investments 22:10 Conclusion and Wrap-Up --- New Book Release: I'm proud to announce the release of my new book, The Anthology of Cybersecurity Experts! This collection brings together 15 of the nation's top minds in cybersecurity, sharing real-world solutions to combat today's most pressing threats. Whether you're an MSP, IT leader, or simply passionate about protecting your data, this book is packed with expert advice to help you stay secure and ahead of the curve. Available now on Amazon! https://a.co/d/f2NKASI --- Sponsor Memo: Since 2006, Kernan Consulting has been through over 30 transactions in mergers & acquisitions - and just this past year, we have been involved in six (6). If you are interested in either buying, selling, or valuation information, please reach out. There is alot of activity and you can be a part of it. For more information, reach out at kernanconsulting.com

Doug Green, Publisher of Technology Reseller News, sat down with Ian Richardson, Founder and CEO of Fox & Crow, to explore a topic that many MSPs underestimate until it becomes painful: lead qualification. While generating leads often gets the spotlight, Richardson argues that chasing the wrong prospects can quietly drain revenue, morale, and long-term growth. Drawing on his experience as a former MSP owner, Richardson explained how poorly qualified leads consume senior technical resources, distract sales teams, and can even damage existing customer relationships. “Landing a bad customer is worse than not signing them at all,” he said, noting that MSP onboarding often reveals fundamental misalignment only after months of effort and sunk cost. Richardson outlined a practical framework for qualification that goes beyond firmographics. MSPs must determine whether a prospect views IT as a strategic investment or merely a cost to be minimized—an insight that can only be uncovered through early conversations, often starting with frontline staff. This mindset distinction, he emphasized, is the real gatekeeper to sustainable, profitable client relationships. The discussion also addressed scale and focus, with Richardson cautioning MSPs against stepping outside their ideal customer profile in pursuit of larger deals. Even seemingly attractive opportunities can become “bad-fit accounts” that erode margins and stability. Through Fox & Crow, Richardson positions his firm as a strategic partner helping MSPs build disciplined, organic sales engines that prioritize fit, focus, and long-term value over raw lead volume. More information about Fox & Crow is available at https://www.foxcrowgroup.com/. Software Mind Telco Days 2025: On-demand online conference Engaging Customers, Harnessing Data

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Welcome back to the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® Podcast. AI agents are your next customers. Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://theultimatepartner.com/ebook-subscribe/ Check Out UPX:https://theultimatepartner.com/experience/ Jen Odess, Group Vice President of Partner Excellence at ServiceNow, joins Vince Menzione to discuss the company’s incredible transformation from an IT ticketing solution to a leading AI-native platform for business transformation. Jen dives deep into how ServiceNow has strategically invested in and infused AI into its unified platform over the last decade, enabling over a billion workflows daily. She also outlines the critical role of the partner ecosystem, which executes 87% of all implementations, and reveals the company’s strategic initiatives, including its commitment to the hyperscaler marketplaces, the goal to hit half a billion dollars in annual contract value for its Now Assist AI product, and the push for partners to adopt an ‘AI-native’ methodology to capitalize on the fact that customers still want over 70% of AI buying to be done through partners. Key Takeaways ServiceNow is an ‘AI-native’ company, having invested in and built AI directly into its unified platform for over a decade. The company’s core value today is in its unified AI platform, single data model, and leadership in workflows that connect the entire enterprise. ServiceNow will hit $500 million in annual contract value for its Now Assist AI products by the end of 2025, making it the fastest-growing product in company history. An astonishing 87% of all ServiceNow implementations are done by its global partner ecosystem, highlighting their crucial role. The company is leveraging the half-trillion-dollar opportunity of durable cloud budgets by driving marketplace transactions and helping customers burn down cloud commits using ServiceNow solutions. To win in the AI era, partners must adopt AI internally, co-innovate on the platform, and strategically differentiate themselves to rank higher in the forthcoming agentic matching system. Key Tags: ServiceNow, AI-native platform, Now Assist, Jen Odess, partner excellence, workflow leader, AI platform for business transformation, hyperscalers, Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, AWS, marketplace transactions, cloud commits, AIDA model, agentic matching, F-Pattern, Z-Pattern, group vice president, MSP, GSI, co-innovation, autonomous implementation, technical constraints, visual hierarchy, UX, UI, responsive design. Ultimate Partner is the independent community for technology leaders navigating the tectonic shifts in cloud, AI, marketplaces, and co-selling. Through live events, UPX membership, advisory, and the Ultimate Guide to Partnering® podcast, we help organizations align with hyperscalers, accelerate growth, and achieve their greatest results through successful partnering. Transcript: Jen Odess Audio Podcast [00:00:00] Jen Odess: The AI platform for business transformation, and I love to say to people, it sounds like a handful of cliche words that just got stacked together. The AI platform for business transformation. Yeah. We all know these words, so many companies use ’em, but it is such deliberate language and I love to explain why. [00:00:20] Vince Menzione: Welcome to, or welcome back to The Ultimate Guide to Partnering. I’m Vince Menzi on your host, and my mission is to help leaders like you achieve your greatest results through successful partnering. Today we have a special leader, Jen Odes is the GVP for Partner Excellence at ServiceNow. And joins me here in the studio in Boca Raton. [00:00:40] Vince Menzione: Jen, welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Vince. It’s so great to be here. I am so thrilled to welcome you. To Boca Raton, Florida. Our podcast home look at this amazing background we have Here is this, and this is where we host our ultimate partner Winter retreat. Actually, in February, we’re gonna give that a plug. [00:00:58] Vince Menzione: Okay. I’d love to have you come back. I’d love to have an invite. And you flew in this morning from Washington DC [00:01:04] Jen Odess: I did. It was 20 degrees when I left my house this morning and this backdrop. Is definitely giving me, island South Florida like vibes. It’s fabulous. [00:01:13] Vince Menzione: And we’re gonna talk about ServiceNow. [00:01:14] Vince Menzione: And you’re also opening an office down here? We [00:01:17] Jen Odess: are [00:01:17] Vince Menzione: in West Palm Beach. Not too far from where we are. Yes. Later 2026. Yeah. I love that. And then so we’ll work on the recruiting year, but let’s dive in. Okay. So thrilled to have ServiceNow and to have you in the room. This has been an incredible time for your organization. [00:01:31] Vince Menzione: I have been watching, obviously I work with Microsoft. We’ve had Google. In the studio, Amazon onboard as well. And other than those three organizations, I can’t think of any other legacy organization that has embraced AI more succinctly than ServiceNow. And I thought we’d start there, but I really wanna spend some time getting to know you and getting to know your role, your mission, and your journey to this incredible. [00:01:57] Vince Menzione: Leadership role as a global vice president. We’ll talk about Or [00:02:01] Jen Odess: group. Group Vice president. I know it doesn’t roll off the tongue. I get it. A group vice president doesn’t roll. [00:02:05] Vince Menzione: G-V-P-G-V-P doesn’t roll off the time. And in some organizations it is global. It is in other organizations, it’s group. So let’s, you’re not [00:02:12] Jen Odess: the first to say global vice president. [00:02:14] Jen Odess: Okay. I’ll take either way. It’s fine. [00:02:15] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Yeah. And might be a promotion. Let’s talk. Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about you and your career journey and your mission. [00:02:22] Jen Odess: Yeah, so I’ve been at ServiceNow for five years. In fact, January will be like the five year anniversary and then it will be the beginning of my sixth year. [00:02:31] Jen Odess: Amazing. And I actually got hired originally to build out the initial partner enablement function. So it didn’t really exist five years ago. There was certainly enablement that happened to Sure. All individuals that were. Using, consuming, buying ServiceNow, working with ServiceNow. But the partner enablement function from pre to post-sale, that whole life cycle didn’t exist yet. [00:02:54] Jen Odess: So that was my initial job. I got hired to run partner enablement and it before. And how big [00:02:59] Vince Menzione: was your partner organization at that point? It must have been pretty small. [00:03:01] Jen Odess: It was actually not as small as you would think. Gosh, that’s a great question. You’re challenging my memory from five years ago. [00:03:08] Jen Odess: I know that we’re over 2,500 partners today and we add hundreds every year, so it had to have been in the low one thousands. Wow. Is where we were five years ago. But the maturity of the ecosystem is grossly larger today than it was then. I can imagine. So back then there was less than 30,000 individuals that were skilled on ServiceNow to sell or solution or deliver. [00:03:34] Jen Odess: Today there’s almost a hundred thousand. Wow. So yeah that’s like the maturity in the capability within the ecosystem. But before I start on my ServiceNow and my group vice president. Which is a great role, by the way. Group Vice President. Yeah. Partner Excellence group. I’m very proud of it. [00:03:49] Jen Odess: But but let me tell you what brought me here, please. So I actually came from a partner, but not in the ServiceNow ecosystem. Okay. I won’t name the partner, but let’s just say it’s a competitor, a competitive ecosystem. And I worked for a services shop that today I would refer to as multinational. [00:04:11] Jen Odess: Kind of a boutique darling, but with over 1,500 consultants, so Okay. A behemoth as well? Yeah. Privately held. And we were a force to be reckoned with, and it was really fun. I held so many roles. I was a customer success manager. I led the data science practice at one point. I ran global alliances and partnerships. [00:04:35] Jen Odess: At one point I was the chief of staff to the CEO at the time that company was acquired. Big global si. And and then at one point I even spun off for the big global SI and helped run a culture initiative to transform co corporate culture. Wow. Very inside the whole organization. Wow. That is very, yeah. [00:04:54] Jen Odess: Really interesting set of roles. And the whole reason I came to ServiceNow is by the time I was concluding that journey in that ecosystem on the services side, I felt like. I didn’t fully understand what it meant to be on the software product side. And I often felt like I approached friction or moments of frustration and heartache with resentment for the software company. [00:05:20] Jen Odess: Sure. Or maybe just a lack of empathy for what they must be going through as well. It always felt like I was on the kind of [00:05:26] Vince Menzione: negative you were on the other side of the table. Totally. [00:05:27] Jen Odess: Yeah. And, or maybe like the redheaded stepchild kind of a concept as a partner. And so I sought out to. Learn more, which is probably a big piece of my journey is just constant curiosity. [00:05:38] Jen Odess: Nice. And I thought I think the thing I’m missing is seeing what it means firsthand to be on the software product side. And that was what led me to a career at ServiceNow. Five years strong. Yeah. So [00:05:50] Vince Menzione: talk about partner experience for those who don’t know what that means. [00:05:53] Jen Odess: Yeah. Today my role is partner excellence, but it used to be partner experience. [00:05:58] Jen Odess: Okay. And so the don’t. Yeah, that’s normal to say both things. And they actually mean two very different things. [00:06:04] Vince Menzione: Yeah, I would say so. [00:06:05] Jen Odess: And we deliberately changed the title about a year ago. So today, partner Excellence is about really ensuring that we build a vibrant AI led ecosystem. And that’s from the whole life cycle of the partner, from the day they choose to be a partner and onboard, and hopefully to the day they’re just. [00:06:23] Jen Odess: Thriving and growing like crazy, and then across the whole life cycle of the customer pre to post sale. So it’s, we are almost like the underpinning and the infras infrastructure. Someone once said it’s like we’re the insurance policy of all global partnerships and channels. That’s how we operate across global partnerships and channels and service Now. [00:06:42] Vince Menzione: And you have a very intimate relationship with those partners. We’re gonna dive in on that as well. Yes. But let’s talk about this time like no other. I talk about tectonic shifts at all of our events. People that listen to our podcasts know we talk about the acceleration of transformation, and it’s happening so fast. [00:06:58] Vince Menzione: It was happening fast even during COVID. But then. I’ll call this date or time period, the November 20, 22 time period when Chat GPT launched. Oh yeah. And that really changed the world in many respects, right? Yeah. Microsoft had already leaned in with chat, GPT, Google, we talked to Google about this. [00:07:17] Vince Menzione: Even having them in the room was like, they were caught flatfooted in a way, and they had a lot of the technology and they didn’t lean in. But it feels like ServiceNow was one of the first, certainly on the ISV side of the house and refer to the term ISV. Loosely, because hyperscalers are ISVs as well. [00:07:34] Vince Menzione: They were early to lean in and have leaned it in such a way from a business application perspective that I believe we haven’t seen embracing and infusing AI into your platform. I was hoping we could dive in a little bit on ServiceNow from a. Kinda legacy, what the organization was and is today. [00:07:56] Vince Menzione: And then also this infusion of AI into the platform. If you don’t mind, [00:07:59] Jen Odess: I love this topic. Okay. And I feel like it’s such a privilege to talk about ServiceNow on this topic because we really are a leader in the category. I’ll almost rewind back to over 20 years ago when the company was founded. [00:08:11] Jen Odess: Today, fast forward, we are so much more than an IT ticketing company. We are, [00:08:16] Vince Menzione: but that was the legacy. That’s how I knew service now 20 years ago. [00:08:19] Jen Odess: And what a beautiful legacy. Yeah. But we have expanded immensely beyond that. And that’s the beautiful story to tell customers. That’s so fun. [00:08:28] Jen Odess: But what what I love is that. So 20 years ago, that was where we started. And today, do you know that over a billion workflows are put to work every single day for our customers? A billion [00:08:38] Vince Menzione: workflows, over a billion workflows. That’s crazy. [00:08:40] Jen Odess: And 87% of all implementations for ServiceNow were done by partnerships. [00:08:46] Jen Odess: And channels. That’s fantastic. So you think about those billion plus workflows daily, all because of our partner ecosystem. This is my small plug. I’m just very proud 80, proud 86%. [00:08:56] Vince Menzione: Did you hear that? Part’s 86%. [00:08:57] Jen Odess: Amazing. And so that’s like what we’re, that’s what we’re a leader in the category. We are a leader in workflows categorically. [00:09:05] Jen Odess: But then over a decade ago, we started investing in ai. We started building it right into our platform, and this becomes the next kind of notch on our belt, which is we are a unified platform. Nothing is bolted on, nothing is just apid in. Yeah, it is a unified platform. So all of that AI that for the past decade we’ve been building in into our platform. [00:09:28] Jen Odess: Just in our AI platform, which is now what we are calling it, the AI platform. [00:09:34] Vince Menzione: And I would say that unless you were a startup starting up from scratch today and building on an LLM, we were building in a way I don’t think any other organization’s gonna actually state that [00:09:45] Jen Odess: what’s actually why we call ourselves AI native. [00:09:47] Jen Odess: Yeah, beca for that exact reason. And that’s who we’re competing with a lot these days, is the truly AI native startups where they didn’t have, the 20 years. Previously that we had, but that’s what makes us so unique in the situation, is that unified AI platform, a single data model that can connect to anything. [00:10:07] Jen Odess: And then the workflow leader. And when you put all those things together, AI plus data, plus workflows and that’s where the magic happens. Yeah. Across the enterprise. It’s pretty cool. [00:10:17] Vince Menzione: That is very cool. And you start thinking about, and we start talking about agent as a, as an example. Let’s talk about this for a second. [00:10:23] Vince Menzione: You, when what is this bolt-on, we could use the terms co-pilot, we could use Ag Agent ai, but they are generally bolted onto an existing application today. So take us through the 10 years and how it has become a portion or a significant portion. Of ServiceNow. [00:10:41] Jen Odess: When say the question a little bit more. [00:10:43] Jen Odess: Like when you say it’s, yeah, when which examples have bolted on? [00:10:47] Vince Menzione: So exa, we, what we see today is the hyperscalers coming out with their own solution sets, right? They’re taking and they’re offering it up to their ecosystem to infuse it into their product and portfolio. To me, those that look like bolted on in many respects, unless it’s an AI need as a native organization, a startup organization. [00:11:07] Vince Menzione: They’re mostly taking and re-engineering or bolting onto their existing solutions. [00:11:12] Jen Odess: I follow. Yeah. Thank you for giving me a little more context. So I call this our any problem. It’s like one of the best problems to have we can connect into. Anything, any cloud, any ai, any platform, any system, any data, any workflow, and that’s where any hyperscaler, and that’s the part that makes it so incredible. [00:11:32] Jen Odess: So your word is bolt on, and I use the word any the, any problem. Yeah. We’ve got this beautiful kind of stack visual that just, it’s like it just one on top of the other. Any. Any, and no one else can really say that. I gotta see [00:11:45] Vince Menzione: that visual. Yeah. Yeah. So talk about this a little bit more. So you’re uniquely positioned. [00:11:52] Vince Menzione: Let’s talk about how you position, you talked about being AI native. What does that imply and what does that mean in terms of the evolution of the platform? From ticketing to workflows to the business applications? What are the type of applications Yeah. Markets, industries that you’re starting to see. [00:12:08] Jen Odess: So I’ll actually answer this with, taking on a small, maybe marketing or positioning journey. So there was a time when our tagline would be The World Works with ServiceNow. There was a time when it was, we put AI to work for people and today and it, I think it was around Knowledge 2025, this came out. [00:12:28] Jen Odess: It was the AI platform for business transformation. And I love to say to people, it sounds like a handful of. Cliche words that just got stacked together. The AI platform for business transformation. Yeah. We all know these words, so many companies use ’em, but it is such deliberate language and I love to explain why. [00:12:46] Jen Odess: So the first is the AI platform is calling out that we are an AI native platform. We are a unified platform. It’s a chance to say all that goodness I already shared with you. Yeah. And the business transformation is actually telling the story of no longer being a solution. Point or no longer being an individual product that does X. [00:13:06] Jen Odess: It’s about saying. The ServiceNow platform can go north to south and east to west across your entire enterprise. Okay. Up and down the entire tech stack. Any. And then east to west, it can cut across the enterprise, the C-suite, the buying centers, all into one unified AI platform. With one data model. [00:13:26] Jen Odess: I love it. And so I love that AI platform for business transformation actually has so much purpose. [00:13:32] Vince Menzione: It does. So you’re going across the stack, so you’re going all the way from the bottom layer, all the way up to the top from the ue. Ui. And then you’re going across the organization, right? You’re going across the C-suite, you’re going across all the business functions of an organization. [00:13:46] Vince Menzione: Correct. And so the workflows are going across each of those business functions? [00:13:49] Jen Odess: Correct. And then our AI control tower is sitting at the very top, governing over all of it. [00:13:53] Vince Menzione: I love the control tower. [00:13:54] Jen Odess: I know the governance, security risk protocol, managing all the agents interoperability. Yeah. [00:14:01] Vince Menzione: And then data at the very bottom right. [00:14:03] Vince Menzione: Controlling all those elements and the governance of the data and the right, the cleanliness of the data and so on. Yeah. That’s incredible. I we could probably talk about business applications. I know one, in fact, I’ve had a person sit in this, your chair from we’ll call it a large GSIA very significant GSI one of the top five. [00:14:21] Vince Menzione: And they took ServiceNow and they applied it to their business partnering function. And they used, and we, you probably don’t know about this one, but I know that that’s a, an example of taking it and applying it all across all the workflows, across all the geographies of the organization and taking a lot of the process that was all done manually. [00:14:40] Vince Menzione: That was stove pipe business processes that were all stove piped and removing the stove pipe and making for a fluid organizational flow. [00:14:47] Jen Odess: And I’ll bet you the end user didn’t even realize ServiceNow was the backend. That’s some of the greatest examples actually. [00:14:53] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Yeah. So Jen, we work with all the hyperscalers. [00:14:56] Vince Menzione: We have a very strong relationship with Microsoft. Goes back many years, my back to my days at Microsoft and we’ve had Google in the room. We have AWS now as well. We bring them all together because we believe that partners work with, need to work with all three. And I know that you have had an interesting transformation at ServiceNow around the hyperscalers. [00:15:16] Vince Menzione: I was hoping you could dive in a little deeper with us. [00:15:19] Jen Odess: Yeah. We are so proud of our relationships with the hyperscalers, so the same three, so it’s Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, and AWS. And really it’s it’s a strategic 360 partnership and our goal is really to drive marketplace transactions. [00:15:34] Jen Odess: So ServiceNow selling in all of their marketplaces and then. Burn down of our customers cloud commits. I love it. It’s really a beautiful story for our customers and for the hyperscalers and for ServiceNow. And so we’ve, it’s brand, it’s a brand new announcement from late in the year 2025. Love it. And we’re really excited about it. [00:15:51] Vince Menzione: Yeah. And then we, and we get all of the marketplace leaders in the room. So we’ve worked with all of those people. And one of the key points about this is there is over a half a trillion dollars in durable cloud budgets with customers that [00:16:08] Vince Menzione: Already committed to, I know, so that tam available, a half a trillion dollars is available to customers to burn down and utilize your solutions and professional services with partners as well in terms of driving a complete solution. [00:16:21] Jen Odess: That’s exactly the motion we’re pushing is to go and leverage those cloud commits to get on ServiceNow and in some cases, maybe even take out other products to go with ServiceNow and actually end up funding the transition to ServiceNow. Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:37] Vince Menzione: So you serve thousands of customers today, thousands of customers. [00:16:42] Vince Menzione: I can’t even. Fathom the exact number, but you have this partner ecosystem that you described, and their reach is even more incredible, like hundreds of thousands. Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about how you think about that, and then how do you drive the partner ecosystem in the right way to drive this partner excellence that you described. [00:17:02] Jen Odess: Yeah, that’s a great question. So yeah, thousands of ServiceNow customers and we’re barely scratching the surface in comparison to our partners customers. So we have over 2,500 partners Wow. In our ecosystem. And today they cut across what I would call five routes to market. That partners can go to market with ServiceNow. [00:17:21] Jen Odess: Okay. The first is consulting and implementation. This will be your classic kind of consulting shop or GSI approach. The second is resell, just like it sounds. Yep. [00:17:30] Vince Menzione: Transactional. [00:17:31] Jen Odess: Yep. The third is managed service provider. [00:17:33] Vince Menzione: Okay. [00:17:34] Jen Odess: The fourth is what we call build, which is. The ISV, strategic Tech partner realm, and then the fifth is hyperscaler. [00:17:43] Jen Odess: Those are the five routes to market. So partners can choose to be in one or all or two. It doesn’t matter. It’s whichever one fits the kind of business they want to go drive. Nice. Where they’re. Expertise lies. And then we’ve got partners that show up globally, partners that show up multinational and partners that show up regionally and then partners that show up locally, in country and that’s it. [00:18:06] Jen Odess: And we really want a diverse set of partners capable of delivering where any of our customers are. So it’s important that we have that dynamic ecosystem where we really push them. We’re actually trying hard to balance this. Yeah, you would’ve heard it from many of your other partners. This direct versus indirect. [00:18:24] Jen Odess: Yes. Motion. For anyone listening that doesn’t know the difference, right? Direct is ServiceNow is selling direct to a customer, there might be a partner involved influencing that will implement. Yeah, likely but ServiceNow is really driving the sale versus indirect where the whole thing routes through the partner. [00:18:39] Jen Odess: Right? Which is your classic reseller or managed service provider and often a an ISV. And you know that balance is never gonna be perfect ’cause we’re not gonna commit to go all direct or all indirect. We’re gonna continue to sit in this space where we’re trying to find a healthy balance. [00:18:56] Jen Odess: So I find a lot of our time trying to figure out how do you set all those parties up for success? Yeah. The parties are the ServiceNow field sellers? And then you’ve also got the partnerships and channels, so the ecosystem, and then you’ve got the people in global partnerships and channels. So my broader organization, and we’re all trying to figure out how to work harmoniously together and it’s a lot of, it is my job to get us there. [00:19:19] Jen Odess: And so we use lots of things like incentives and benefits and we will put in place gated entry, really strategic gated entry. What does [00:19:29] Vince Menzione: gated entry mean? [00:19:30] Jen Odess: Yeah. What I mean is if you want to have a chance at being matched with a customer Yeah. For a very specific deal. Or it’s really one of three to get matched. [00:19:41] Jen Odess: ‘Cause you can never match one-to-one. It has to be three or more. Okay. We have good compliance rules in place. Yeah. But in order to even. Like surface to the top of the list to be matched. There’s a gated entry, which is, you’ve gotta have validated practices. Okay. Which is how, it’s these various ways, as you described, you quantify and qualify the partner’s capabilities. [00:20:00] Vince Menzione: Yeah. So you have to meet these qualifications. Yes. And you could be one of three to enter and be. Potentially matched, considered significant or Yes. Match for this deal? [00:20:08] Jen Odess: Yes, that’s exactly right. So we use, various things like that. And then we try to carve what I would call dance card space reseller in commercial, try to sit here and like carve by geo, by region, by country dance card space as well to help the partners really know exactly where they can unleash versus, hey, this is the process and the rules of engagement. To go and sell alongside the direct org sales organization [00:20:33] Vince Menzione: and you’re gonna have multiple partners in the same opportunities. [00:20:37] Vince Menzione: Absolutely not. Not necessarily competing with each other. There’s three competing each with each other, but also you’re gonna have other partners that provide different capabilities as well. You might have that have some that are just transac. Those are gonna be those channel or reseller partners. [00:20:52] Vince Menzione: You might have an MSP that’s actually delivering, or at least providing some type of managed service on top of the stack. Like supporting the customer. Yeah. And then you might have an SI GSI an integration partner that’s also doing the con the consulting work around getting the solution to meet with the customer’s requirements. [00:21:12] Vince Menzione: Would you say [00:21:13] Jen Odess: so? That’s exactly right. Yeah. And actually in. AI era, we’re seeing more of it than ever. And even on the smaller deals, maybe not the GSIs on the smaller deals, but we’re seeing multiple partners come in to serve up their specific expertise, which is actually a best practice. That’s [00:21:33] Vince Menzione: terrific. [00:21:33] Jen Odess: We don’t want. If you’ve got an area that’s a blind spot and you’re a partner, but that’s something your customer is buying from you, there’s no harm in saying let’s bring in an expert in that category to deliver that piece of the business. That’s right. And we’ll maybe shadow and watch alongside. [00:21:46] Jen Odess: So we’re seeing more and more of it. And I actually think like the world of. Partnerships and ecosystems. If I go back to like my previous ecosystem as well, it’s become so much more communal than ever before. Yes. This idea that we can share and be more open and maybe even commiserate over the things, gosh, I can’t believe we have the same frustrations or we have the same. [00:22:09] Jen Odess: Wow, that’s amazing. And you’re in this country. And I’m in this country. And so we’re seeing more and more coming together on deals which I really respect a lot. ’cause So one of the new facts we’ve just learned actually, Vince, is that. Of all the ai buying that customers are doing out there, they actually still want over 70% of it to be done by partners. [00:22:32] Vince Menzione: Yes. [00:22:33] Jen Odess: So even though it looks like it could be maybe set up easy configured, easy plug and play it. It to get, it’s not real ROI. You still need a partner with expertise in that industry or that domain, or in that location or in that language to come and bring the value to life. And we will certainly accelerate, help accelerate time to value with things that ServiceNow will do for our partners. [00:22:56] Jen Odess: But if over 70% is gonna go to partners and AI is so new, wouldn’t you want more than one partner Sometimes on a absolutely on a deal, at least while we’re all learning. I think we can keep ebbing and flowing [00:23:07] Vince Menzione: on this. We you, I dunno if Jay McBain, ’cause we’ve had him in the room here and he is a, he’s an analyst that does a lot of work around this topic. [00:23:14] Vince Menzione: And we talk about the seven seats at the table because there are, again, you need more you, first of all, you need to have your trusted, you need to have the organizations that you work with. And you also, in the world of ai, with all of the tectonic shifts, all the constant changing that’s going on right now, I need to make sure that I have the right. [00:23:31] Vince Menzione: People by my side that I can trust, they can help me deliver what I need to deliver. ’cause it might have changed from six months ago. And the technology is changing. Everything is changing so rapidly right now. So again, having all those right people I want to pick up on something ’cause we talked a little bit about MSPs and they’ve become a favorite topic of ours. [00:23:52] Vince Menzione: I have become acutely aware of the Ms P community recently. I kinda looked at them as well. There’s little small partners, but you’ve suggested this as well. They have regional expert, they have expertise in a specific area. And can be trusted, and maybe you’re integrating multiple solution sets for a customer. [00:24:11] Vince Menzione: But we’ve seen this MSP community become very vibrant lately, and I feel like they woke up to technology and to AI in such a big way. Can you comment on that? [00:24:20] Jen Odess: So we feel and see the same thing I’ve always valued what managed service providers bring to the table. It’s like that. [00:24:26] Jen Odess: Classic are you a transformation shop or are you a ta? The tail end or the run business shop? And so many partners are like we’re both, and I wanna be like, but are you? But now I feel like we finally are seeing the run business is so fruitful. So AI is innovating. All the time. [00:24:46] Jen Odess: We, we are innovating as a AI platform all the time. What used to be six month, every six months family releases of our software. Yeah. It became quarterly and now we’re practically seeing releases of new innovation every six to eight weeks. So why wouldn’t you want a managed service provider? Paying close attention to your whole instance on ServiceNow and taking into account all the latest innovation and building it into your existing instance, and then looking out for what new things you should be bringing in. [00:25:20] Jen Odess: So that’s the beauty of the, it’s almost partnerships, observing, and then suggesting how to keep. Doing better and more and better versus always jumping straight back to complete redesign and transformation. Yeah, and that’s one of the things I like about the MSPs in this space. [00:25:36] Vince Menzione: So let’s broaden out from this part of the conversation ’cause you’re giving specific guidance to the MSPs, but let’s think about this whole partner community. [00:25:43] Vince Menzione: And you’ve seen this transformation coming over to ServiceNow and even within ServiceNow these last five years. How do these organizations need to think differently? And how do they need to structure their services in this newent world? [00:25:58] Jen Odess: Great question. There’s really four things that I think they have to be thoughtful of. [00:26:02] Jen Odess: The first is maybe the most obvious they have to adopt AI as their own ways of doing work methodology. Delivery, whatever it is, because only through the, it’s not about taking out people in jobs, it’s about doing the job faster, right? It’s about getting the customer to value faster so that adoption of AI will make or break some partners. [00:26:24] Jen Odess: And our goal is that every partner comes on the other side of this AI journey, thriving and surviving. So we’re really pushing. This agenda. And maybe later I can talk to you a little bit more about this autonomous implementation concept. Please. ’cause I that will [00:26:37] Vince Menzione: resonate. So you’re saying they need to, we used to use the term eat their own dog food. [00:26:41] Vince Menzione: Now it’s drink your own champagne. Yeah. But they need to adopt it as well internally. [00:26:46] Jen Odess: Yeah. And I think whether they’re using, I hope they’re using ServiceNow as like a client, zero. To do some of that adoption. But there’s lots of other tools that are great AI tools that will make your job and your day-to-day life and the execution of that job easier. [00:26:59] Jen Odess: So we want them adopting all of that. The second is, we really need to see partners. Innovating on the ServiceNow platform. Yeah. And whether that’s building agents AI agents that go into the ServiceNow store, whether it’s building a really fantastic solution that we wanna joint jointly go to market with, or maybe it’s one of those embedded solutions you were commenting where the end user doesn’t even know that the backend, like a tax and audit solution that is actually just. [00:27:29] Jen Odess: The backend is all ServiceNow. Yeah. But that partner is going to market and selling it to all their customers. Exactly. So I think this co-innovation is gonna be a place that we will really win in market. The third is if a partner wants to stand out right now, they have to differentiate on paper too. [00:27:47] Jen Odess: It’s gotta like what does that mean? So if there’s 2,500 partners. And it’s not like we don’t walk around and just say, you should talk to this partner. Yeah. Or here’s my secret list. You should, we don’t do that. That’s not good business and it’s not compliant. So we have algorithms that take all the quantitative and qualitative data on our partners and they know all the data points ’cause it’s part of the partner program Nice. [00:28:10] Jen Odess: That they adhere to and then ranks them on status. And all those data points are what I’m referring to as on paper. You’ve gotta be differentiated. So whether or not you wanna be great at one thing or great across the whole thing, think about how all of those quantitative and qualitative data points are making you stand out, because that’s where those matches that I was referring to. [00:28:35] Jen Odess: Yes. That’s where that’s gonna come to life. And it’s skills, it’s capabilities. It’s deployments. So Proofpoint and deployments, customer success stories, csat, all the things. So [00:28:47] Vince Menzione: those are all the qualifi qualifiers for and more, but those are the types [00:28:49] Jen Odess: of qualifications. Yeah. [00:28:51] Vince Menzione: And then do your, does your sales organization do a match against that based on a customer’s requirements that they’re working with and who they work with and co-sell with? [00:29:00] Jen Odess: And I feel like you just lobbed me the greatest question. I didn’t even know you were gonna ask it, but I’m so glad you did. So today. Today there is something called a partner finder, which is which is nice, but it’s a little bit old school in a world of ai. Yeah. So you go to servicenow.com, you click partner from the top navigation, and then it says find a partner and you can literally type in the products you’re buying the country, you’re, that you’re headquartered out of. [00:29:26] Jen Odess: Whatever thing you’re looking for. And it will start to filter based on all those data points, the right partners, and you can actually click right there to be connected to a partner. So lead generation. Okay, interesting. But where we’re going is a agentic matching right in our CRM for the field. Oh. So those data points are gonna matter even more, and that’s where the gated. [00:29:48] Jen Odess: I say gated entry, which is probably too extreme, right? It’s really gated. If you wanna surface toward the top, there’s gated parameters to try to surface to the top, but those data points will feed the algorithm and it will genetically match right in our CRM for the field. Who are the best suited partners? [00:30:09] Jen Odess: Would you like to talk to them? [00:30:10] Vince Menzione: Okay. And so is it. Partner facing? Is it sales team facing [00:30:14] Jen Odess: Right now? It’s sales. It’ll, when it goes live, it will be sales team facing. Okay. But we have greater ambition for what partners can do with it. Yeah. Not just in the indirect motion, but also what partners may be able to do with it to interface with our field. [00:30:30] Jen Odess: The. [00:30:31] Vince Menzione: The, yeah the collaboration [00:30:33] Jen Odess: opportunity. Which is always a friction point that we’re working on [00:30:36] Vince Menzione: always because it’s very manual. It’s people intensive. Yeah. Partner development managers sitting on both sides of the equation and the interface between the sales organization and a partner organization is not always the. The easiest. So right. Automated, quite a bit of that. [00:30:49] Jen Odess: My boss is obsessed with the easy button, which I know is a phrase many of us in the US know from I think it’s an Office Depot, all these ways in which we can have easy button moments for the partner ecosystem is what we’re trying to focus on. [00:31:01] Jen Odess: I love the easy button. [00:31:02] Vince Menzione: Yeah. And I love your boss too. Yeah, he’s fabulous. Fabulous. So Michael and I go back like many years ago. You must have, [00:31:08] Jen Odess: yeah. You must have had paths crossing on numerous occasions. [00:31:12] Vince Menzione: Yeah we we worked together micro I’m going to hijack the session for a second here. [00:31:16] Vince Menzione: But when I first came to Microsoft, he was leading a, the se, a segment of the business, and he invited me to come to his event and interviewed me on stage at his event. [00:31:26] Jen Odess: No way. [00:31:26] Vince Menzione: And we got to know each other and yeah. So he was terrific. He was what a great find for, oh, he’s for service now. [00:31:32] Vince Menzione: He’s really [00:31:32] Jen Odess: has been a fantastic addition [00:31:34] Vince Menzione: to the global partnerships and channels team. And Michael, we have to have you on the podcast. Yes. Or cut down here in the studio at some point too with Jen and I. That’d be great. So this is terrific. We are getting it’s an incredible time. [00:31:44] Vince Menzione: It’s going so fast this time, 2022 was, seems like it was five, it feels like it was almost 10 years ago now. It wasn’t that we just started talking about it and you were implementing AI 10 years ago, but it wasn’t getting the attention that it’s getting today. And it really wasn’t until that moment that it really started to kick off in a way that everybody, yeah. It became pervasive overnight I would say. But now we’re starting 2026, like we’re at. This precipice of time and it’s continuing. I don’t even know what 2030 is gonna look like, right? So I’m a partner. [00:32:16] Vince Menzione: What are the one, two, or three things that I need to do now to win over and work with ServiceNow? [00:32:23] Jen Odess: One, two or three things? I’ll tell you the first thing. So today ServiceNow will end up hitting 500 million in annual contract value in our Now Assist, which is our AI products by the end of 2025, which is the fastest growing product in all of ServiceNow history. [00:32:37] Jen Odess: That’s one product that’s so there’s lots of SKUs. Yeah, but it is. It’s our AI product. Yeah. And it is, but yeah, because of all the various ways. [00:32:45] Vince Menzione: So half a billion dollars, [00:32:46] Jen Odess: half a billion by the end of 2025. And I think, someone’s gonna have to keep me honest here, but if memory serves me right, the first skews didn’t even launch until 2024. [00:32:54] Jen Odess: So we’re talking about wow, in a year it’s fast. Over 1,700 customers are live with our now assist products. Again, in a matter of, let’s call it over, a little over a year, 1,700 partners. So I think the first thing a partner needs to do is they’ve gotta get on this AI bandwagon, and they’ve gotta be selling and positioning AI use cases to their customers, because that’s the only way they’re gonna get. [00:33:20] Jen Odess: Experience and an opportunity to see what it feels like to deliver. So we have to do that. And I think you could sell a big use case like that big, we talked north, south, east, west, you could do that whole thing. Brilliant. But you could also start small. Go pick a single use case. Like a really simple example of something you wanna, some work you wanna drive productivity on. [00:33:41] Jen Odess: Yeah. And make sure you’ve got multiple stakeholders that love it and then go drive proving that use case. That’s what we’re telling a lot of partners. That’s the first thing. The second is they have got to build skills on AI and they have to keep up with it. And so we’re trying to really think about our broader learning and development team at ServiceNow is just next level. [00:34:00] Jen Odess: And they’re really re-imagining how to have more real time bite size. Training and enablement that will help individuals keep up with that pace of innovation. So individuals have got to get skilled. Yes. On AI today, of that a hundred thousand or so individuals in the ecosystem right now, about 35% of those individuals hold one or more AI credential. [00:34:25] Jen Odess: Again, that’s in a little over a year, which is the fastest growing skill development we’ve ever had, but it should be a hundred percent. Yeah. All of our goals should be that every account is being sold ai. ’cause that’s where the customer’s gonna get to value a ServiceNow is if they have the AI capabilities. [00:34:40] Jen Odess: And [00:34:41] Vince Menzione: how are you providing enablement and training? Is it all online? It’s, we have [00:34:44] Jen Odess: all sorts of ways of doing it. So that we have ServiceNow University, which is just a really robust, learning platform. Elba is our professor in residence. Very cool. Which is very cool. And they’re all content. [00:34:57] Jen Odess: Is free to partners. The training is free to partners that is on demand. Beyond that, partners can still get, instructor led training, whether that’s in person or virtual. And then my team offers enablement. That’s a little bit more, it’s like not formal training, it’s more like hands-on labs and experiences. [00:35:17] Jen Odess: We bring in lots of groups that sit around me that help and we very cool hands on with partners face-to-face. And do you do an annual event where you bring all these partners together? No, because we do we have three major milestones a year for partners. So the first is at sales kickoff, which is coming up the third week in January. [00:35:33] Jen Odess: And alongside sales kickoff is partner kickoff. Okay. And so we do a whole day of enabling them. So that’s your [00:35:39] Vince Menzione: partner kickoff? [00:35:40] Jen Odess: That’s partner kickoff. But of the, of all the partners in the ecosystem, it’s not like they can all make it. So we still also record and then live stream some of the content there. [00:35:49] Jen Odess: Then at Knowledge, there’s a whole partner track at Knowledge and same concept. Yeah, it’s like it’s all about customers and we wanna, build as much pipeline and wow as many customers as possible, but we also need to help our partners come along the journey. Then the third and final moment is in September, always, and it’s called our Global Partner Ecosystem Summit. [00:36:08] Jen Odess: We should have you, I’d love to join this next year. I love that. And it’s really, that’s the one time if sales kickoff is all about the sales motion in the field and knowledge is all about the customers and getting customers value. Global Partner Ecosystem Summit is only about the partners, what they need, why they need it, and what we’re doing to make their lives easier. [00:36:28] Jen Odess: I love it. Yeah. I’ll be there September. I love it. Dates yet set yet? I have to, it’s getting locked. I’ll get it to you. [00:36:34] Vince Menzione: Okay. All right. I’ll, we’ll be there. Okay. So you’ve been incredible. I just love having you. We could spend hours, honestly, and I want to have you back here. I’d love to, I have you back for a more meaningful conversation with the hyperscalers. [00:36:45] Vince Menzione: Talk to some of the partners that join us at Ultimate Partner events. We’ll find a way to do that, but I have this one question. It’s a favorite question of mine, and I love to ask all my guests this. Okay. You’re hosting a dinner party. And you could host a dinner party anywhere in the world. We could talk about great locations and where your favorite places are, and you can invite any three guests from the present or the past to this amazing dinner party. [00:37:11] Vince Menzione: We had one guest who wanted to do them in the future, like three people that hadn’t reached a future date. Whom would you invite Jen and why? [00:37:21] Jen Odess: Oh, first of all, you’re hitting home for me because I love to host dinner parties. I actually used to have a catering company. This is like one of those weird facts that, we didn’t talk about my pre services and ecosystem days, but I also had a catering company, so I love cooking and hosting dinner parties. [00:37:38] Jen Odess: So this is a great question. I feel like it’s a loaded question and I have to say my spouse. I love my husband dearly, but I have. To invite Lee to my dinner party. Okay. He’s in [00:37:47] Vince Menzione: Lee’s guest number one. Lee’s [00:37:49] Jen Odess: guest, number one. And the reason why is, first of all, I love him dearly, but he’s super interesting and he has such thought provoking topics to, to discuss and ways of viewing the world. [00:38:00] Jen Odess: He’s actually in security tech, so it’s like a tangential space, but not the same. [00:38:05] Vince Menzione: Yeah. But an important space right now, especially. Yeah. And [00:38:07] Jen Odess: he, yeah. And he’s, he’s just a delight to be around. So he’d be number one. Number two would be Frank Lloyd Wright. [00:38:15] Vince Menzione: Frank. Lloyd Wright. [00:38:17] Jen Odess: Yeah. I am an architecture and design junkie. [00:38:21] Jen Odess: Maybe I don’t do any of it myself, though. I dabble with friends that do it, and I try to apply it to my home life when I can. And Frank Lloyd Wright sort of embodies some of my favorite. Components of any kind of environment that you are experiencing, whether it’s a home or it’s an office building or it’s an outdoor space. [00:38:39] Jen Odess: I love the idea of minimalism and simplicity. I love the idea of monochromatic colors. I love the idea of spaces that can be used for multipurpose. And then I love the idea of the outside being in and the inside being out. I love it. So I would like love to pick his brain on some of his, how he came up with some of his ideas. [00:38:59] Jen Odess: Fascinating for some of his greatest. Yeah. Designs. Okay. That’s number two. Number three, I think it would be Pharrell Williams. Really? Yeah, I, Pharrell Williams. Yeah. I love fashion music and all things creativity. He’s got that, Annie’s philanthropic. He’s just yeah. The whole package of a good person. [00:39:26] Jen Odess: That’s super interesting and I very cool. I would love to pick his brain on what it was like to be behind the scenes on some of the fashion lines he’s collaborated with on some of his music collabs he’s had, and then just some of the work he’s doing around philanthropy. I would. I could just spend all night probably listening to him. [00:39:43] Jen Odess: This would be a [00:39:44] Vince Menzione: really cool conversation night. [00:39:45] Jen Odess: Don’t you wanna come to my dinner? Was gonna say, I’m sorry I didn’t invite you to identify. No [00:39:49] Vince Menzione: I was, can I bring dessert? [00:39:50] Jen Odess: Yeah. I come [00:39:50] Vince Menzione: for dessert. I, but it can’t, [00:39:51] Jen Odess: it has to be like a chocolate dessert. It’s gotta have [00:39:54] Vince Menzione: I love chocolate dessert. [00:39:55] Vince Menzione: Okay, great. So it would not be a problem for me, Jen. This is terrific. You have been absolutely amazing. So great to have you come here. Yeah. Such a busy time of year to have you make the trip here to Boca. We will have you back in the studio. I promise that I’ll have you back on stage. Stage. [00:40:10] Jen Odess: This is beautiful. [00:40:10] Jen Odess: Look at it. Yeah. This is [00:40:11] Vince Menzione: beautiful. And we transformed this into, to a room, basically a conference room. And then we also have our ultimate partner events. I would love to come, we would love to have you join us. Like I said, ServiceNow is such an impactful time. Your leadership in this segment market, and I wouldn’t say segment across all of AI in terms of all the use cases of AI is just so meaningful, especially for within the enterprise. [00:40:33] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Right now. So just really a jogger nut right now within the industry. So great to have you and have ServiceNow join us. So Jen, thank you so much for joining us. [00:40:42] Jen Odess: Thanks Vince. Appreciate the time. It’s a pleasure to be here. [00:40:44] Vince Menzione: Thank you very much. Thanks for tuning into this episode of Ultimate Eye to Partnering. [00:40:50] Vince Menzione: We’re bringing these episodes to you to help you level up your strategy. If you haven’t yet, now’s the time to take action and think about joining our community. We created a unique place, UPX or Ultimate partner experience. It’s more than a community. It’s your competitive edge with insider insights, real-time education, and direct access to people who are driving the ecosystem forward. [00:41:16] Vince Menzione: UPX helps you get results. And we’re just getting started as we’re taking this studio. 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Send us a textIn this insightful IT Nation conversation, Rick Murphy, Managing Partner at Cogent Growth Partners, joins Joey Pinz to discuss the mindset and mechanics of successful MSP mergers and acquisitions. Rick opens up about his 60-pound weight loss journey and parallels it with running a business — both require discipline, consistency, and a clear goal.He explains why every MSP will eventually trade hands, why “exit strategy” is a myth, and how liquidity planning and solid financial discipline create real enterprise value. Rick also breaks down the dangers of “Top Line Disease,” shares why non-solicit agreements matter more than non-competes, and urges MSPs to run their company like they're going to sell it tomorrow — even if they're not. ✦ Top 3 Highlights

Send us a textCristina Carretero, Partner Marketing Manager at Arctic Wolf, joins Joey Pinz at IT Nation Connect 2025 to discuss the evolution of channel marketing, the power of AI in partner enablement, and her global journey from Spain to the cybersecurity stage. With over 20 years in marketing, Cristina shares how language, clarity, and collaboration help MSPs thrive — plus her personal discipline practices rooted in meditation, journaling, and mindfulness.She also reveals how Arctic Wolf is helping MSPs manage cyber risk, strengthen branding, and leverage AI tools like Copilot to communicate more effectively. This is a must-listen for anyone in the MSP or vendor ecosystem looking to bridge the gap between marketing and sales. ✦ Top 3 HighlightsPartner Marketing Mastery: Cristina explains how Arctic Wolf supports MSPs with campaigns-in-a-box, co-branding, and messaging strategies that resonate.AI with Purpose: How Arctic Wolf trains Copilot to understand their voice and audience, boosting marketer productivity while keeping human creativity central.Discipline & Mindfulness: Cristina's daily meditation and journaling routine that grounds her amid a busy travel schedule and leadership role. #JoeyPinz #MSPInfluencer #ForzaDash #ArcticWolf #MSPMarketing #PartnerMarketing #ChannelMarketing #Cybersecurity #AIinMarketing #MSPGrowth #ITNation #ITN25 #Discipline #Mindfulness #Meditation #AI #Copilot #VendorPartnerships #MSPCommunity --- Join us for enlightening discussions that spark growth and exploration. Hosted by Joey Pinz, this Discipline Conversations Podcast offers insights and inspiration. 

Watch the full coverage of the live stream on The Emily D. Baker YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/HszTIRT5ZR4  Day 5 of the Brian Walshe Trial happened on December 5, 2025. A clunky but revealing cross-examination attempts to establish a timeline of Brian Walshe's texts, phone calls, and searches, including the 'plane crash' and 'Anna Walshe found dead' searches. We discuss the defense's strategy to characterize the searches as a sign of worry and to distance their context from any implication of premeditation, focusing on the time around Christmas Day. The jury hears for the first time that the MSP case officer assigned to the investigation was former Trooper Michael Proctor, and what that might mean for the defense's strategy. A look at the large tools (hacksaw, snips, hatchet, hammer) purchased at Lowe's and introduced in court, as well as the medical examiner's testimony regarding items recovered from the dumpster, including cut-up rug pieces with tissue and hair. The prosecution moves quickly through witnesses, and the court projects to be done with evidence in about 3 weeks. RESOURCES Brian Walshe Case Overview - https://youtu.be/VbbXdPf4aXY    MA v Brian Walshe Trial Playlist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsbUyvZas7gK0wNHtj-4Xm0KF84vD6VIW   Brian Walshe Trial Daily Case Brief Playlist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFdNnRZUqH63SQSsTnj7ofHMBjdhgSEfK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Send us a textIn this engaging IT Nation 2025 conversation, Kate Schlarf, Senior Marketing Leader at Moovila, joins Joey Pinz Discipline Conversations to unpack how MSPs can turn project chaos into clarity and profit. She reveals how Moovila's Project Hub—a library of MSP-built templates—helps partners improve forecasting, eliminate scope creep, and boost project margins.Kate also shares her insights on branding, marketing, and community building in the MSP space, explaining why consistency (and even a purple cow mascot

Send us a textFrom lasers to leadership, this IT Nation Connect 2025 conversation with Lawrence Cruciana, founder of Corporate Information Technologies, reveals how discipline, curiosity, and science fuel cybersecurity innovation.A former Disney audio engineer and laser physicist, Lawrence shares how attention to detail and standardization shaped his approach to business, how a case of industrial espionage inspired his cybersecurity mission, and why CMMC and frameworks like the CIS Controls are essential to protecting American ingenuity.You'll hear lessons from his time presenting at NASA, insights into the evolution of AI-fueled cyber threats, and how MSPs can raise the bar for security maturity while staying human in a world of automation.This episode blends STEM roots, cybersecurity expertise, and personal discipline into one inspiring conversation about what it means to build, protect, and lead with purpose. 

Send us a textWhat do chess, rock climbing, and business have in common? For tech visionary and problem-solver Stephen Yu, everything is a puzzle waiting to be understood. In this episode of Joey Pinz Conversations, we explore how the founder of Adaptive Catalog approaches life and leadership through curiosity and pattern recognition—from teaching his son chess to building solutions that let MSPs “sell without quoting.”Stephen shares his journey from Quosal's early ConnectWise days to creating Adaptive Catalog, a platform reshaping how IT resellers and MSPs buy and sell. He opens up about his personal health wake-up call, reversing diabetes through determination, and how discipline, empathy, and fit guide every part of his life.✨ Top 3 Highlights:1️⃣ How chess and climbing teach pattern recognition and problem-solving.2️⃣ Why great partnerships depend on shared values and “fit.”3️⃣ The future of MSP automation and ethical AI in business.#JoeyPinzPodcast #MSPInfluencer #MSPCommunity #AdaptiveCatalog #AI #MSP #ConnectWise #Entrepreneurship #ProblemSolving #Leadership #TechInnovation #HealthJourney #Podcast #ForzaDash #ITNation #ITN25   Episode Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yushifan/https://www.linkedin.com/company/adaptive-catalog/https://www.adaptivecatalog.com/  Tags:Stephen Yu, Adaptive Catalog, MSP, ConnectWise, AI, entrepreneurship, leadership, tech innovation, problem solving, podcast, Joey Pinz Conversations, health, diabetes recovery, ITNationSupport the show

Send us a textAt IT Nation Connect 2025, Mike DePalma—VP of SMB Cybersecurity at OpenText—sits down with Joey Pinz to talk about rebuilding community in the MSP world, evolving vendor programs, and the tidal wave of AI reshaping security and operations.Mike shares how OpenText's new EDR rollout is simplifying life for ConnectWise partners, the surprising results of their latest MSP Report, and why most AI projects fail—hint: it's not the tech. He opens up about the Datto → Kaseya acquisition, lessons in leadership, and why discipline, presence, and family still define success more than revenue or market share.