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A mysterious metal sphere found in Florida sparked military interest, paranormal activity, and nuclear-level warnings... then vanished without a trace. What was the Betz Sphere—and where is it now?Thanks to the TIN FOIL MULISHA members who support this podcast with their time, talent and treasure!Support UFO...No! with a direct PayPal donation: https://www.paypal.com/ncp/payment/Y6WRSW9F2JBSC Buy UFO...No! Merch: https://ufono-podcast.creator-spring.comJoin Discord: https://discord.gg/PQyaJzkt4YLooking for Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin)? Visit https://www.schedule35.co/us/ Use code U1173687US240607 to get a 20% discount on your first purchase!Email: Iwant2believe115@gmail.comFollow on Facebook | Twitter | Twitch | Rumble
A mysterious metallic sphere allegedly discovered near Buga, Columbia, has recently made headlines, after viral videos appeared online which claim to show the object in flight prior crashing into the ground. While some mainstream outlets have picked up the story, what are the actual details about this purported "mystery sphere"? This week on The Micah Hanks Program, we examine the recent claims involving the "Buga Sphere," along with an exploration of similar cases involving alleged mystery sphere recoveries. Finally, we turn our attention to recent sightings reports of spherical UAP from around the world, as we search for answers to the enduring question of why humans maintain such a fascination with circular shapes. Have you had a UFO/UAP sighting? Please consider reporting your sighting to the UAP Sightings Reporting System, a public resource for information about sightings of aerial phenomena. The story doesn't end here... become an X Subscriber and get access to even more weekly content and monthly specials. Want to advertise/sponsor The Micah Hanks Program? We have partnered with the AdvertiseCast to handle our advertising/sponsorship requests. If you would like to advertise with The Micah Hanks Program, all you have to do is click the link below to get started: AdvertiseCast: Advertise with The Micah Hanks Program Show Notes Below are links to stories and other content featured in this episode: NEWS: All humans emit subtle light until they die, study suggests Scientists date remains of an ancient child that resembles both humans and Neanderthals Pentagon's UAP investigators explore new options to better track and manage confidential reports Burlison: Lue Elizondo “needs to take a break” after latest UAP photo controversy THE MYSTERY SPHERES: Mysterious sphere in Colombia sparks UFO talk Mystery sphere found on beach perplexes Japan Mysteriously Perfect Sphere Spotted in Space by Astronomers : ScienceAlert The Betz Sphere Mystery - St. Petersburg Times - Apr 15, 1974 BECOME AN X SUBSCRIBER AND GET EVEN MORE GREAT PODCASTS AND MONTHLY SPECIALS FROM MICAH HANKS. Sign up today and get access to the entire back catalog of The Micah Hanks Program, as well as “classic” episodes, weekly “additional editions” of the subscriber-only X Podcast, the monthly Enigmas specials, and much more. Like us on Facebook Follow @MicahHanks on X. Keep up with Micah and his work at micahhanks.com.
When the Betz family discovered a strange metallic orb on their property in 1974, they had no idea it would become one of the most baffling unsolved mysteries in modern history. Was it a government device, alien technology, or something else entirely? In this episode of Strange Places, we dive into the bizarre behavior, unexplained phenomena, and enduring questions surrounding the infamous Betz Sphere.-----------------Head to the Strange Places home website, asylum817.com to keep up with all things Strange Places, as well as the host. Billie Dean Shoemate III is an author with over 40 novels published, a master-trained painter, host of the No Disclosure Podcast, and multi-instrumentalist musician with multiple albums released. To check out Billie's books, albums, paintings and other artistic ventures, head to asylum817.com.-----------------This podcast can also be heard on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeart Radio, Pandora, and wherever you get your Podcast listening experience.-----------------Want to promote your brand, YouTube channel, Etsy page, charity, event or podcast on the show? I am selling the show's ad space! Mid roll ads, beginning ads, bottom of the show ads, all of it. Click the link below to get yourself some of that sweet, sweet ad space on the fastest growing paranormal podcast on the planet. If you want to advertise here, click the LINK BELOW!https://www.fiverr.com/share/mgzw1R-----------------If you like what you hear and wish to donate to this podcast to help keep it going, visit:https://www.fiverr.com/s/WEY9lex-----------------Visit us on Patreon for ad free early access and exclusive content!!!patreon.com/asylum817Shout-out to our top tier patrons, DILLIGAF and Old School!-----------------This episode is brought to you by www.rotellaresale.com-----------------This episode is brought to you by the 60 Minute Meal Podcast! LINK BELOW: https://open.spotify.com/show/6QwjR5zKq2tRS368Dm173a?si=j5Onj07oSZmgE0aJx_S0lw
A mysterious mound of the dead are found in the Himalayas. Are you the star of your own reality show? And what is going on with the Betz Sphere? Is it space junk, an alien probe, or something much more dangerous? Original Air Date: Dec 19, 2018 Patreon (Get ad-free episodes, Patreon Discord Access, and more!) https://www.patreon.com/user?u=18482113 PayPal Donation Link https://tinyurl.com/mrxe36ph MERCH STORE!!! https://tinyurl.com/y8zam4o2 Amazon Wish List https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/28CIOGSFRUXAD?ref_=wl_share Help Promote Dead Rabbit! Dual Flyer https://i.imgur.com/OhuoI2v.jpg "As Above" Flyer https://i.imgur.com/yobMtUp.jpg “Alien Flyer” By TVP VT U https://imgur.com/gallery/aPN1Fnw “QR Code Flyer” by Finn https://imgur.com/a/aYYUMAh Links: Giant hail killed more than 200 in Himalayas https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1476074/Giant-hail-killed-more-than-200-in-Himalayas.html Truman Show Delusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truman_Show_delusion Look Closely, Doctor: See the Camera? https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/fashion/28truman.html How Kevin Hall Lives with The Truman Show Syndrome (and You Kind of Do, Too) https://slate.com/culture/2018/03/how-kevin-hall-lives-with-the-truman-show-syndrome-audio.html Truman Show Syndrome: Why People Think They're Living In A Reality Show https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/truman-show-delusion-when-youre-convinced-everyones-watching-you The Betz Sphere Mystery https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/the-betz-sphere-mystery/ Whatever happened to the Betz Mystery Sphere? https://intriguedmind.com/whatever-happened-to-the-betz-mystery-sphere/ The Betz Mystery Sphere https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4334 The Betz Mystery Sphere: Alien Artifact or Doomsday Device? https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/04/the-betz-mystery-sphere-alien-artifact-or-doomsday-device/ Fort George Island: Neff House and Betz Sphere https://jaxpsychogeo.com/north/fort-george-island-neff-house-and-betz-sphere/ ----------------------------------------------- Logo Art By Ash Black Opening Song: "Atlantis Attacks" Closing Song: "Bella Royale" Music By Simple Rabbitron 3000 created by Eerbud Thanks to Chris K, Founder Of The Golden Rabbit Brigade Dead Rabbit Archivist Some Weirdo On Twitter AKA Jack YouTube Champ: Stewart Meatball Reddit Champ: TheLast747 The Haunted Mic Arm provided by Chyme Chili Forever Fluffle: Cantillions, Samson, Gregory Gilbertson, Jenny The Cat Discord Mods: Mason http://www.DeadRabbit.com Email: DeadRabbitRadio@gmail.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeadRabbitRadio Facebook: www.Facebook.com/DeadRabbitRadio TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@deadrabbitradio Dead Rabbit Radio Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadRabbitRadio/ Paranormal News Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ParanormalNews/ Mailing Address Jason Carpenter PO Box 1363 Hood River, OR 97031 Paranormal, Conspiracy, and True Crime news as it happens! Jason Carpenter breaks the stories they'll be talking about tomorrow, assuming the world doesn't end today. All Contents Of This Podcast Copyright Jason Carpenter 2018 - 2025
A night in March of '74, the Betz family check out a brush fire by their home. What they found changed the way someone could look at a shiny ball.
The Betz Sphere: Alien Artifact, Secret Weapon, or Just a Steel Ball? In 1974, a Florida family found a strange metal sphere in the woods near their home. It rolled uphill, vibrated with music, and seemed to have a mind of its own. Was it alien technology, Cold War spy gear, or just a heavy steel ball with great timing? In this episode, we explore the bizarre case of the Betz Sphere—one of the strangest mysteries of the 1970s. Episode Breakdown: ⚙️ The discovery of the mysterious metal ball by the Betz family in Florida
Imagine finding an unidentifiable object in your own backyard. For the Betz family, this became reality with the appearance of a smooth, metallic sphere that defied easy explanation. This episode explores their initial discovery, the growing realization that this was no ordinary debris, and the unsettling questions it raised about technology, the unknown, and what might be lurking just beyond our understanding.
What do a mysterious metal orb and a sadistic ultramarathon have in common? They're both ready to ruin your weekend—and they're both in this episode of The Box of Oddities. First, Kat and Jethro roll into the strange saga of the Betz Sphere—a shiny, sentient-looking ball discovered in Florida that might be haunted, alien... or just really into Foghat. Then, lace up for the Barkley Marathons, the grueling backwoods race that has chewed up Navy SEALs and spit out their shoelaces. With no official start time, no GPS, and a course mapped in blood and sarcasm, it's less “fun run” and more “forest-based psychological thriller.” From paranormal spheres to sadistic sprints, this episode dives headfirst into the bizarre. Because who needs sanity when you've got The Box of Oddities? If you would like to advertise on The Box of Oddities, contact advertising@airwavemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Toes? I want those! This week, Johnny and Tyler are covering the Betz Sphere mystery, as well as the murder of Monika Beerle. Plus: Drag Race should have eliminated Ross Mathews this past episode, a misguided case of finders keepers, and little-known facts about both kinds of Foo Fighters.Join the Secret Society That Doesn't Suck for exclusive weekly mini episodes, livestreams, and a whole lot more! patreon.com/thatsspookyCheck out our new and improved apparel store with tons of new designs! thatsspooky.com/storeCheck out our website for show notes, photos, and more at thatsspooky.comFollow us on Instagram for photos from today's episode and all the memes @thatsspookypodWe're on Twitter! Follow us at @thatsspookypodDon't forget to send your spooky stories to thatsspookypod@gmail.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw 8 pm Est 11-13-24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWitwpFZbpk "The Betz Sphere Mystery" unravels the eerie story of a mysterious metal orb discovered in 1974 by the Betz family. Known for its strange behaviours—moving on its own and emitting unusual sounds—this object has baffled scientists and paranormal enthusiasts alike. In each episode, we explore theories about its origins, from alien technology to government experiments. Join us as we investigate one of the most puzzling and unexplained phenomena in recent history. Our Names are Trevor and Riley. We are from West Michigan and we are best friends who have had a love for the things that go bump in the night for years, after many years of talking about doing a podcast and going out and investigating the paranormal ourselves. We Finally did it. Thus What Goes Bump In the Night was born in 2019. Since the creation of the podcast we have been all over the US investigating the paranormal and covering the spookiest creepypastas and urban legends we can find Through our time doing this, we covered a wide range of topics from local urban legends to mythical creatures and bizarre events that have occurred over the globe. So if you believe or want to believe in the things that we can't explain, we ask you to keep your ears and eyes open for what really goes bump in the night. If you have your own paranormal stories or a creepypasta you would like us to share or be featured on the podcast please email us at Whatgoesbumppodcast@gmail.com Feel free to send donations to help the podcast to our Cashapp $Whatgoesbump or Venmoo @whatgoesbump Thank you Night Crew! - Trevor & Riley
A featureless sphere, a quirky family and the government. A tale as old as time. Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati HeroForge - http://www.heroforge.com All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin Sources - The Bell Witch: An American Haunting The Bell Witch in Myth and Memory: From Local Legend to International Folktale
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This week, we examine two stories involving mysterious metal balls that appear out of nowhere. First, we examine the famous Betz Sphere of Fort George Island, Florida. Then, we examine a mysterious metal or plastic ball that fell from the sky in Mexico. It could be Aliens or dragons; no one is quite sure.
IN THIS EPISODE: ”The Grieving Ghost of Bertha Starkey” by Amelia Cotter *** “Superhumans Walk Among Us” by Brandon Grimes *** “The Unexplained And Bizarre Betz Sphere” by Chaz of the Dead *** “Appalachian Monsters” by Molly Briggs *** “The Elevator Game” by Brandon GrimesPLEASE SHARE THIS EPISODE in your social media so others who loves strange and macabre stories can listen too!Subscribe to Paranormality Magazine at https://weirddarkness.com/magazine. Paranormality Magazine is a collaborative endeavor driven by a deep passion for the mysterious, unexplained, and paranormal. We are captivated by the enigmatic realms and the individuals who shape this extraordinary community. Our mission is to delve into all things Fortean, embracing topics ranging from apparitions to extraterrestrial encounters, and exploring the diverse array of cryptid creatures in between. With a global team dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge, we gather captivating stories, conduct insightful interviews, and provide up-to-date coverage on groundbreaking paranormal projects that are propelling our community forward. Curious to be a part of this extraordinary journey? Visit https://paranormalitymag.com/about-us/SOURCES AND ESSENTIAL WEB LINKS…All stories originally published in Paranormality Magazine or website at https://weirddarkness.com/magazineParanormality Magazine podcast theme by Alibi Music LibraryBackground music by Nicolas Gasparini at http://www.thedarkpiano.comNarration by Darren Marlar at https://DarrenMarlar.com and https://WeirdDarkness.com©Paranormality Magazine, 2024; ©Weird Darkness, 2024= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =CUSTOM WEBPAGE: https://weirddarkness.com/betz-sphere-paranormalitymag/
The extraterrestrial comedy podcast where we probe the Betz Sphere. This metallic bowling ball turned up in Fort George Forman Grill Island in Florida in 1974. Was this sphere responsible for the fire that may or may not have burnt down the Betz's house? Regardless, the life of the Betz family was thrown in to chaos as the media got hold of this story and sooner or later, Dr J. Allen Hynek got involved. The Navy also took a special interest. Would such bodies be interested if something fishy wasn't going on? Alongside that this episode ponders Pogs. Do you folks remember Pogs? After the first couple of minutes folks may want to skip to about 10 minutes 30 seconds in because oh my that was a tangent… All that and more on this week's file. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/butitwasaliens Store: https://butitwasaliens.co.uk/shop/ Probe us: Email: butitwasaliens@gmail.com Instagram/Threads @ ButItWasAliens Twitter @ ButItWasAliens Facebook: @ ButItWasAliens - join Extraterrestrial Towers Music: Music created via Garageband. Additional music via: https://freepd.com - thank you most kindly good people. Towards the end of the episode when discussing a windmill, we couldn't resist including a small snippet from ‘Windmill Hut' which is better known as the Song of Storms from 1998's The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on the Nintendo 64, composed by hero of sound, Kōji Kondō. Kōji also composed the Staff Roll aka Credits Theme from 1990-1992's Super Mario World on the Super Nintendo. Source: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35092347/betz-mystery-sphere-conspiracy-theory/
Story One – For Whom the Bell TollsThe German war machine's efforts to turn the tide of conflict in its favour have given rise to numerous tales involving advanced and dangerous weaponry. But amidst the rumours of alien technology and paranormal experimentation, one story in particular stands out. That of a mysterious machine, the ultimate purpose of which remains an enduring enigma. What was Die Glocke?Story Two – The Mysterious Betz SphereIn this story, we take a look at a bizarre object, which possessed what presented as both strange and unnatural abilities. An item whose perplexing origins have remained as inexplicable as its subsequent fate. Join us, as we delve into the story of the mysterious Betz Sphere.MUSIC Tracks used by kind permission of Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0Tracks used by kind permission of CO.AGSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Have you ever been wandering through the forest and come across a large metal ball and thought, "Hey, I'll take this home to my innocent family?" Now your family is being tortured by buzzing, organs playing, and the military!! Way to go!! Join us as we discuss this mysterious metal object!::Show Hosts::Joshua BynumShane CarlsonTommy GreenIntro/Outro: Dew by Da SeinCheck us out on all major podcast platforms and YouTube as well!!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTzJxDwoxjPE1oJThR9koagYou can also find us on Facebook and Twitter!Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ParanormalMindsJST/Twitter: https://twitter.com/jstparanormalPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/ParanormalMindsJSTShop for us on Etsy!!!!Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/shop/ParanormalMinds?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=1409788831Like, Subscribe, Follow, and Roundhouse kick your way into our love!!!Let us know what you think!!
Hey and welcome to this week episode, Becky was away for this one but our lovely door man Edward October joined us for a little while instead.Tash tells us the most disgusting and horrifying dating story and Emma follows up with a story about the Betz family who found a mysterious metallic ball in the woods that could quite possibly be from another planet. We really hope you enjoy this week's episode, if you'd like to join us on social media you can find us @SCSK_podcast on tik tok, twitter and instagram, spine chillers and serial killers for facebook and you tube or email us at chillers.killers.pod@gmail.com.You can find Edward October from Octoberpod AM here : https://open.spotify.com/show/5cESmW8JiW8O1NMrX4ul4mOr Find him on You Tube : https://www.youtube.com/@OctoberpodHomeVideoCredit to JT Hosack for the Tinder with Tash Jingle, you can catch JT here at Brew crime : https://open.spotify.com/show/1mg7kuGz9rG3KzChHXyuqF Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Archive Teaser No. 10 is from Episode 33, "The Betz Sphere". Enjoy! It's a good one! (c) 2020, 2023 Scatterbrain Productions. Always. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/scatterbrain-podcast/message
GET EVERY EPISODE AD FREE PLUS BONUS CONTENT AT: www.patreon.com/crackpotpodcast In today's episode, we explore the intriguing tale of this polished steel ball found by the Betz family in 1974 under rather odd conditions. Was it a gift from aliens, a covert government gadget, or just a piece of industrial machinery? Come along as we recount the fascinating series of events post its discovery – from its unexplained movements to its baffling response to music. We'll dig deep into the comprehensive scientific investigations done on this enigmatic object and the surprising outcomes that even had experts puzzled.We'll dive into the leading theories about where it came from and the ongoing debates about the Betz Sphere! Support our Sponsors! www.betterhelp.com/crackpot New Website! www.crackpotpodcast.com
Send us a Text Message.Unearth the enigmatic tale of the Betz Sphere in this riveting podcast episode. Join us as we delve deep into the mysterious origins, baffling properties, and astonishing theories surrounding this metallic sphere that captivated the world's imagination. Was it an extraterrestrial artifact, a lost technology of a bygone civilization, or something else entirely? We'll explore all the compelling angles, from UFO encounters to paranormal phenomena, as we attempt to unlock the secrets of the Betz Sphere. Tune in to this unmissable episode for a journey into the unknown, where science and speculation collide!Email- Beyondtheshadows207@gmail.com Beyond the Shadows (@beyondtheshadowspodcast) | Instagram profilePodcast Merchandise https://beyond-the-shadows.myspreadshop.com/Beyondtheshadowspodcast.comIntro by C10 C10 | Spotify C10 | Omaha NE | FacebookFirepit music by Lucid Dixon Lucid Dixon | SpotifyThanks for listening and please consider giving us a good review on apple podcast!
In the spring of 1974, an enigmatic orb known as the Betz Sphere came crashing down creating a cyclone of controversy before disappearing just as cryptically. In the decades that followed the mystery has only deepened, leaving lingering questions such as: What was it? Where did it come from? And—most alarmingly considering its destructive potential—who has it now? The Devil's Academy: https://www.amazon.com/The-Devils-Academy/dp/B0B8528ZB6/ The Cryptonaut Podcast Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/cryptonautpodcast The Cryptonaut Podcast Merch Stores:Cryptonautmerch.com - Hellorspace.com Stay Connected with the Cryptonaut Podcast:Website - Twitter - Facebook - Instagram - YouTube THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY BETTER HELPGet started today and enjoy 10% off your first month. http://betterhelp.com/hellorspace Promo Code – HELLORSPACE
This is Renegade Files Episode 33, The Betz Sphere.In late March of 1974 the Betz family was dealing with an afternoon brush fire on their wooded, 88 acre, Fort George Island estate at the north-east corner of Florida.Among the ashes 20 year-old son Terry Betz found a most out of place object. There, amid the still-smoking grass, was a gleaming metallic sphere the size of a bowling ball, unmarked and cool to the touch.He brought it home as a curiosity where soon it started to vibrate, roll around the house on it's own, display intelligent control, follow people, and cause the family dog to cower. So what exactly is the Betz Sphere? Where did it come from? And who has it now? Put on your Renegade Files shirt, grab your iced coffee and paranormal investigation backpack, and come with me to explore the bizarre and mysterious case of… [ [ [ The Betz Sphere. ] ] ] Merchandise https://www.bonfire.com/store/renegade-files/Patreon https://www.patreon.com/renegadefilesWebsite http://therenegadefiles.comThe "Odd Ball" Podcast Radio Show, Lindsey Kilbride, WJCT --------------------------"If you like Renegade Files, and you think I do a good job making the episodes, please help me keep the show going by donating a small amount on Patreon. In return for your help, you get Bonus Episodes and extra Renegade Files Content. It's free to check out some of the posts, so thank you for supporting the show, and I'll see you in there." -- Lex Gordon --------------------------Music and Sound Effect Licensing: Theme Song: “Steve's Djembe” by Vani, FMA, licensed: Creative Commons CC BY-SA 4.0 License.“Pirate Rain” by Stone Calculus, DV8NOW Records, licensed: Creative Commons CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 License. "Old Telephone Ring" by Field Recording, licensed: N/A, Public Domain
In this episode, I am joined by Chaz of the Dead. We talk some freaky Florida phenomena, The Betz Sphere case, Florida cryptids, portals, egregores, John Dee, the paranormal, magic, and the occult. Check out Chaz's work at https://chazofthedead.com/ You can find my new journal, Occultis Mundi here! https://ko-fi.com/s/35d00b3488 SUPPORT THE SHOW! PayPal: paypal.me/tjojp Cashapp: $jayala54 Ko-fi.com/tjojp PATREON.COM/THEJUANONJUANPODCAST ROKFIN.COM/THEJUANONJUANPODCAST TeePublic.com/user/the-juan-on-juan-podcast Please leave us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts! It will help the show. Also follow me on social media at: Alt Media United Check out our website at www.thejuanonjuanpodcast.com Patreon exclusive content and early access: www.patreon.com/thejuanonjuanpodcast Rokfin.com/thejuanonjuanpodcast Instagram: @thejuanonjuanpodcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc3XEhKCvdRIOBSDdIQY2qg TikTok: @thejuanonjuanpodcast Telegram group: https://t.me/tjojp Discord server: https://discord.gg/HaB6wUunsJ Stake your Cardano with us at FIGHT POOL at fightpool.io! Thank you for tuning in!
Sometimes a person can have something that will come into their lives, and it changes everything. In March of 1974, for the Betz family of Fort George Island, Florida in the United States - this change came in the form of a sphere. Welcome to Episode 112 - The Betz Sphere We got merch! Shop now: HorrifyingHist1.redbubble.com www.horrifyinghistory.podbean.com Support our show at https://www.patreon.com/horrifyinghistory Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/horrifyinghistory Instagram: https://instagram.com/horrifying_history Twitter: https://twitter.com/horrifyinghist1 Horrifying History would like to thank the following sponsors for this episode: The Mystery of Life Podcast: Hosts Jonny and Jo discuss everything from the dark side of life from pirates to hauntings, and from serial killers to reincarnation. No topic is off the table. You can find them at www.mysteryoflifepodcast.co.uk and on Instagram @themysteryoflifepod. Horrifying History is part of the Darkcast Network. Check out their other amazing podcasts at www.darkcastnetwork.wixsite.com
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Chaz of The Dead is Back! for another dive into some weird field research he embarked upon in his neck of the woods, We discuss in depth the Betz Sphere, its anomalous nature and strange place in Florida history. We go to Fort George Island, in Jacksonville, Florida starting with the pre-spanish history, the island early visitors and subsequent curious activity up and through the period that the castle was built on the island. Chaz shared his thoughts on a possible explanation for these odd phenomena, I asked Chaz his thoughts on Intelligent plasmas being a possible culprit and he shared some of his insights as a long time Fortean researcher. Chaz also conveyed the so called coincidence that the Tic Tac video that has swept the navy was filmed in this exact location. Support Chaz here: https://www.patreon.com/chazofthedead and https://chazofthedead.com/Share This Episode: https://share.transistor.fm/s/243fa768 Get the SEEEN Travel Guide!https://ko-fi.com/s/6f1e1173a0Synchro-Wisdom Dialogue: https://linktr.ee/mysticmarkpodcastMFTIC Merchhttps://mftic-podcast.creator-spring.comJoin us on TelegramLeave me a message On Telegram!For Exclusive My Family Thinks I'm Crazy Content: Only 3$ get 50+ Bonus Episodes, Sign up on our Patreon For Exclusive Episodes. Check out the S.E.E.E.N.or on Rokfin@MFTICPodcast on Twitter@myfamilythinksimcrazy on Instagram, Follow, Subscribe, Rate, and Review we appreciate you!https://www.myfamilythinksimcrazy.comhttps://altmediaunited.com/my-family-thinks-im-crazy/Listen to Every AMU Podcast with this link. https://lnns.co/pI5xHeyFdfgGET A NEW PODCASTING APP! https://podcastindex.org/appsHelp fund the show, I cannot do this without your support.CashApp: $MarkSteevesJrVenmo: @MysticMarkPaypal: @mysticmarkPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/MFTIC?fan_landing=trueRokfin: https://www.rokfin.com/myfamilythinksimcrazyKo-fi: https://ko-fi.com/myfamilythinksimcrazyBuy Me A Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/MFTICWithout you this Podcast would not exist, bless all who support.MUSICAL CREDITSIntro Song by Destiny LabMusic: R NaughtBy Kevin GrahamOutroMusic: Still WatersBy Greater StillMusic: Peaking Through The CurtainBy HoliznaRapsReleased under a Creative Commons Attribution International 4.0 License Thanks To Soundstripe Special thanks to our sponsor Smile Brilliant: USE PROMO CODE: CRAZY and get 20% off a custom night guard. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
You can follow and support the program herehttp://theparanormalson.ctcin.bio/On this episode of The Paranormal Son, JT welcomes back Chaz of the Dead for a “breaking news” story in the realm of the paranormal.The conversation started out discussing the discovery of a photo from one of the more well-known UK cases of the last 50 years that was missing and presumed lost (The 1990 Calvine incident). You can see the photo here with some further details on the caseWe also discussed faked images (both vintage and modern) and the “deep fake” phenomenon of recent years, JT kept referencing the famous 1934 “surgeons photo” of the Loch Ness monster which was later explained as a hoax (you can this photo here) As always, we discuss our thoughts on the always evolving “Alien” agenda and what “the visitors” could be or why they act in the ways they do. We talked about some epic cases, some have been covered on TPS, some not yet but all of them unique and mind bending. Also discussed was “the visitors” fascination with nuclear power and weapons, is it as simple cosmic good will or is there a darker agenda in mind?Later on, JT finds that he may have a relative in the venue of “erotic paranormal literature” enough said on that topic! In the second half, we get into Chaz's recent research and his book on the Betz Sphere case in Florida and the layer after layer involved in the case, also we discuss the home where it occurred and what we can do to help save the unique site for future generations. As always JT and Chaz find plenty of other interesting thoughts to discuss and share with as well. Help save the Neff MansionChaz of the Dead's website You can buy Chaz's latest book hereOdd Ball podcast (Betz Sphere)Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Paranormal Son are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the viewpoint or position of JT, The Paranormal Son, or Tower Studios NZ. The views and opinions expressed by JT are his own and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Tower Studios NZ. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors, or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, ethnic group, club, organization, company, individual or anyone or anything. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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On the 75TH EPISODE of the Deep Share, I got to hang out with 3 time returning champion, CHAZ of the DEAD! We did some catching up, and we talk about his new book, A Place Between Time & Space: A True Story About Ghosts, UFOs, and Florida's Strangest Home. Chaz tells us about the "Betz Sphere" mystery and the bizarre castle-like house where this object was seen. To some this is a ghost story, to others it's a UFO story, and that's my favorite kind. I hope you enjoy this epic tale as much as I did. 75 episodes deep!!! THANK YOU ALL so much for being a part of this fractal family and letting me ramble at interesting people for your entertainment! Here's to 75 more. Anyone got a light?chazofthedead.comSAVE THE BETZ house!https://www.change.org/p/save-the-betz-neff-historical-house?recruited_by_id=6d9a8740-086b-11ed-810c-236c2a64c5c6&recruiter=1271729089&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink&utm_source=share_petitionThanks for checking out this episode of the Deep Share Podcast!https://linktr.ee/thedeepshareJOIN DEEP SHARE PREMIUM:www.patreon.com/thedeepshare/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thedeepsharepodcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
On this episode of MITM Chaz, a long time friend of the show, joins Laura to discuss what he's been up too. Chaz is a paranormal writer researcher and traveling investigator. They talk about his investigation in the Betz Mansion where the famous Betz Sphere was found. Be sure to look for Chaz's new book, coming soon! *Fun fact! Chaz took the picture that is used for the show's artwork!* Preserve a historical building! Sign here: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-betz-neff-historical-house Find Chaz here: https://chazofthedead.com/spookylinks Do you have a true paranormal story you would like to have read on the show or have a lifetime of experiences and want to be on the show? Send the show an email at midnight_inthemountains@yahoo.com MITM Website: https://www.midnightinthemountains.com/ Instagram: midnight_inthemountains
Chaz Of The Dead, author, explorer, and researcher, joins us to discuss his psychedelic paranormal style of research and his explorations around the U.S. and South America. We discussed the Betz Sphere, Coral Castle, Viktor Grebennikov, Patagonia, The Friendship, and how his Florida Man essence keeps him under the radar when he travels abroad. Chaz plans on going to Africa next... wish him luck! https://chazofthedead.com/ Follow MENSA Follow My Family Thinks I'm Crazy Twitter: @MFTICPodcast IG: @myfamilythinksimcrazy SUPPORT THE SHOW! PayPal: paypal.me/tjojp Cashapp: $jayala54 PATREON.COM/THEJUANONJUANPODCAST ROKFIN.COM/THEJUANONJUANPODCAST TeePublic.com/user/the-juan-on-juan-podcast Please leave us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts! It will help the show. Also follow me on social media at: Alt Media United Check out our website at www.thejuanonjuanpodcast.com Patreon exclusive content and early access: www.patreon.com/thejuanonjuanpodcast Rokfin.com/thejuanonjuanpodcast IG: @thejuanonjuanpodcast YT: "The Juan on Juan Podcast" TikTok: @thejuanonjuanpodcast Telegram group: https://t.me/tjojp Discord server: https://discord.gg/HaB6wUunsJ Stake your Cardano with us at FIGHT POOL at fightpool.io! Thank you for tuning in!
Chaz Of The Dead, Author, Explorer, and Researcher, Joins us to discuss his psychedelic paranormal style of research and His explorations around the U.S and South America. We discussed the Betz Sphere, Coral Castle, Viktor Grebennikov, Patagonia, The Friendship, and how his Florida Man essence keeps him under the radar when he travels abroad, He plans on going to Africa next... wish him luck! https://chazofthedead.com/ Follow MENSA and Here https://mensapodcast.myshopify.com/Follow The Juan on Juan Podcast and Here https://www.thejuanonjuanpodcast.com/MFTIC Merch is Here for 2022!https://mftic-podcast.creator-spring.comJoin us on TelegramLeave me a message On Telegram!For Exclusive My Family Thinks I'm Crazy Content: Only 3$ get 50+ Bonus Episodes, Sign up on our Patreon For Exclusive Episodes. Check out the S.E.E.E.N.or on Rokfin@MFTICPodcast on Twitter@myfamilythinksimcrazy on Instagram, Follow, Subscribe, Rate, and Review we appreciate you!https://www.myfamilythinksimcrazy.comhttps://altmediaunited.com/my-family-thinks-im-crazy/Listen to Every AMU with this link. https://lnns.co/pI5xHeyFdfg IntroMusic: Que PasaBy Azteca XOutroMusic: Peaking Through The CurtainBy HoliznaReleased under a Creative Commons Attribution International 4.0 License Thanks To Soundstripe and Free Music Archive★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
Join Hadley Thorne, Steven Hill, and Where in the Folks, Henry Tully and Cecile Fletcher as they explore the mystery behind the Betz Sphere Mystery. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wyrd-realities/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/wyrd-realities/support
In 1974, Terry Betz found a weird ball on the family property. The sphere would emit a humming sound any time a guitar was played nearby. The sphere began to move on its own. People from all over the country were coming by to see the shiny ball and try to figure out what it might be. After a year and a half, the Betz family stopped talking about their discovery. Was it a UFO? Part of some satellite maybe? Some say it's some form of enormously powerful bomb. Here is what can be found on this mystery sphere.
https://wonderfulengineering.com/betz-sphere-makes-place-inexplicable-wonders/ Sceptic take on the Betz Sphere:https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4334 Gobekli Tepehttps://www.ranker.com/list/facts-about-gobekli-tepe-turkish-archaeological-site/stephanroget Oumuamua:https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/comets/oumuamua/in-depth/
A Florida family finds a shiny metal orb in their backyard and it blows up into an alien/UFO/government secrets frenzy. Did the Betz Mystery Sphere have strange properties and do strange things? Or was it just a large metal ball?? ----more---- Help us keep this podcast ad-free and visit the virtual tip jar! ko-fi.com/conspirasaywhat For More Episodes: conspirasaywhat.podbean.com Email us: conspirasaywhat@gmail.com Subscribe to the weekly newsletter companion! tinyletter.com/conspirasaywhat Follow Us on the Social Medias: Facebook: @conspirasaywhat Instagram: @conspirasaywhat Twitter: @conspirasaywhat Goodreads: goodreads.com/conspirasaywhat
Is it a cannonball? Is it pieces of an alien ship? Is it just a metal ball? ONLY ZAAT KNOWS!This week Britt tells Peter about the strange and interesting Betz Sphere! We watch and give commentary on the ZAAT! Movie trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbGciL9h5E) and come up with some highly unlikely conspiracy theories of our own! Check out the ODD BALL podcast: https://www.wjct.org/podcasts/oddball/and the Skeptoid Podcast here: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4334https://www.moriareviews.com/sciencefiction/zaat-1971-blood-waters-of-dr-z.htmVisit us on our website www.CreepyPizza.comWant to share your paranormal stories? Email us at CreepyPizzaPodcast@gmail.comGo to the arcade and play FREE games on Steam or at Itch.io.Find us on Instagram @CreepyPizzaPodcastAnd on Twitter @CreepyPizza1Want to support the show? Be a Pizza Pal on Patreon or if you don't like commitment buy us a slice here! Support the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/creepypizzapod)
It's our first episode! Steph will be talking about the mysterious object known as the Betz Sphere and Jordi goes into the deep and dark history of Port Arthur. Please leave us a review, rate or subscribe to whichever platform you use.This episode is also available on our YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxi10EEbaseUN0J2WGJN1MQGo check out our LinkTree if you would like to follow us:https://linktr.ee/spookymountainpodcastIf you would like to support us:Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/spookymountainpodcastBuy Me A Coffee - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/spookymountainThanks for listening to us!
In this episode, Mike tells us about the mysterious Betz Sphere - a ball that seemed to have a mind of its own! We also talk about cooking hedgehogs, decorative canonballs, and the difficulties with hurdles. Here's a rundown of the episode: 00:36 - Hello! 01:14 - Presented Piece: The Betz Sphere 14:44 - Promo - I Have A Strange Story 15:54 - Discussion 43:38 - Thanks & Where You Can Find Us 47:50 - Fun Fact: Dunce Caps 48:56 - Bye! Total Runtime: 49:37 LinksPromoOur promo partner this week is the https://www.facebook.com/Ihaveastrangestory/ (I Have A Strange Story) podcast, one of our partner shows on the http://www.paranormalityradio.com/ (Paranormality Network). Go check them out! Research Linkshttps://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/04/the-betz-mystery-sphere-alien-artifact-or-doomsday-device/ (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/04/the-betz-mystery-sphere-alien-artifact-or-doomsday-device/) - Mysterious Universe on the Betz Sphere https://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/13/ep-130-the-betz-sphere-part-1?rq=betz (https://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/13/ep-130-the-betz-sphere-part-1?rq=betz) - Astonishing Legends Podcast on the Betz Sphere - go here for x-rays pics of the ball! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz_mystery_sphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz_mystery_sphere) - Wikipedia on the sphere http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2017/02/extraterrestrial-metal-sphere.html?m=1 (http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2017/02/extraterrestrial-metal-sphere.html?m=1 ) Educating Humanity on the Betz Sphere Our Linkshttps://storiesofstrangeness.com/ (Website) - Sign up for email alerts, view the gallery, and other cool stuff. https://instagram.com/storiesofstrangeness (Instagram) - Where we hang out the most. https://facebook.com/storiesofstrangeness (Facebook) - We have a page and a group - come talk to us! https://twitter.com/sostrangepod (Twitter) - Mike sends all our tweets - blame him! Our https://www.redbubble.com/people/ZoeandMike/shop?asc=u (Redbubble) page, where you can find all of our designs and illustrations on loads of products. Our https://www.patreon.com/storiesofstrangeness (Patreon) page, if you'd like to support the show. We're starting with 2 tiers: £1 a month, to support the show, which is about $1.37, where we will thank you personally on the show - and £3 a month, which is about $4.11, that will enable you to listen to minisodes, outtakes, timelapse art videos and other bonus content. More tiers may follow. Support this podcast
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When a mysterious orb was discovered in the the burnt remains of a forest fire, a local family decided to take it home to find out where it came from. Of course, it wasn't long before they had a knock on their front door... BUY OFFICIAL TPL MERCH www.thisparanormallife.com/store Patreon patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife YouTube youtube.com/thisparanormallife Twitter twitter.com/ThisParaLife Instagram instagram.com/thisparanormallife Secret Society Facebook Page www.facebook.com/groups/thisparanormallife/ Edited by Kami Toman www.tomanedits.com Research by Amy Grisdale Intro music: www.purple-planet.com
Joining us for this episode, is Forrest Burgess, who is the esteemed co-host of one of America’s biggest podcasts. Astonishing Legends started in 2014 and is growing exponentially. It’s covered the most famous and the least known of topics from the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to the mystery of the Betz Sphere. We are delighted […]
Joining us for this episode, is Forrest Burgess, who is the esteemed co-host of one of America’s biggest podcasts. Astonishing Legends started in 2014 and is growing exponentially. It’s covered the most famous and the least known of topics from the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to the mystery of the Betz Sphere. We are delighted […]
Welcome to Scatterbrain Episode 33! Thanks to everyone who has listened, liked, and followed us on social media. Please help spread the word by sharing with your network. Follow/rate/review on your preferred podcast platform. We love those 5-star reviews. Keep them coming! We would love to hear from our listeners. Drop us a message on our social media or leave us a voice message on our Anchor podcast page. Let us know where you're listening from and if there's an album we should review or a topic you'd like us to talk about. In this episode, we review the latest release from Whitter, CA's Skeletal Remains, "The Entombment of Chaos". Next, we discuss a strange object known as the "Betz Sphere". What the heck is this thing? Is this an alien artifact or something else? Twitter - @ScatterbrainPod / Instagram - @ScatterbrainPodSD Scatterbrain Podcast with Ian and Dan: Subscribe, Listen and Share! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/scatterbrain-podcast/message
After a small brushfire was put out near their home in northeastern Florida, the Betz family came across a heavy bright metal sphere laying in the grass. It was slightly scuffed. Seamless. And only had one identifying mark – a tiny triangle about 3mm long. They took it inside and nearly forgot all about it until days later when someone started to play the guitar. It was then that the ball began to vibrate and hum. After placing it on a table to inspect it more closely, everyone watched in surprise as the ball began to roll around – all on its own.
Hi Weirdos! In the last 3-1/2 years of our show Ashley & Lauren have covered a TON of weird objects. Robert the doll, Annabelle from The Conjuring fame, the antikythera mechanism, even the Betz Sphere when we teamed up with Florida Men on Florida Man. This week we decided to throw together some of the CRAZIEST objects in the world. We've got haunted paintings, cursed cars, possessed clothing, ancient mysteries, and even a murderous toy. Tune in to learn about The Crying Boy: A painting by Giovanni Bragolin James Dean's car "Little Bastard" Anne Baker's Wedding dress The Ubaid Statues of Iraq & an Elmo plushie that's out for revenge.
Some 20 miles north of Fort George Island, Florida, during 1974, the Betz family found a steel ball on their property. 7.94 inches in diameter and weighing 9.7kg, the object was unique, yet nothing special. The family was interested in what the sphere was as it was found in the midst of a rural, hard to reach area. Over the years, many theories have been put forth to explain the sphere, yet none explain how it found itself in the midst of nowhere. Claims that it was part of a satellite offer some potential, yet fail to cover all of the bases. As if the inexplicable presence of the ball was not enough, the ball had other properties…Join Ansir & Sophia as they discuss the case of the Betz family sphere and debate what they think it was, what happened to the sphere, and what experiments were needed.Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/InquirersintotheStrange)
Skeptoid corrects another round of errors found in past episodes.
Finally, an episode with some balls! This week on Creep Street, Dylan and Maureen discuss the mysterious Betz Sphere. When the Betz family stumbled onto a strange orb in 1974, they assumed it was just a harmless bauble. Soon they discovered this boisterous ball had a mind of its own! Is the sphere a piece of alien technology? Is it a doomsday device? Citizens of the Milky Way, Enjoy the Betz Sphere!
On episode 142 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we go back to 1974 in Jacksonville, Florida. Terri Betz, the son of Antoine and Gerri Betz, stumbles upon a strange metal sphere in the woods near their home. Upon bringing it back to their house, it began to exhibit unusual behavior. Soon, the press comes to interview the family and all Hell breaks loose. Within months, the U.S. Navy, Marines, and prominent scientists and UFO researchers flock to Florida to figure out just what exactly these sphere may be. In this audio documentary, we look at the media reports, investigations, and sinister doings that followed before the sphere completely disappeared from public view for nearly fifty years. This episode was written by Rob Morphy. For more information, please visit: www.cryptonautpodcast.com This episode also includes voiceover contributions by Jamie Lamchick, Roman Alec Trevino, and Conor J. Nolan Special Thanks to Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess for contributing audio to this episode. Be sure to listen to the Astonishing Legends Podcast. Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca
Ali and Melissa discuss the violent 2011 murder inside a Lululemon. 331 stab wounds and cuts were found on one victim, while the other only had minor injuries. What the hell happened? They also have an interview with Lindsay Kilbride about her podcast Odd Ball, where she tries to get to the bottom of a mysterious steel ball called The Betz Sphere.Please like and subscribe!Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/webcrawlersTwitter: https://twitter.com/webcrawlerspod?lang=enInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/webcrawlerspod/Merch! https://webcrawlerspod.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
As the attention surrounding the "Betz Sphere" continues to grow, so do the theories behind its origin and the number of investigations. The family even claims a famous scientist insisted on sleeping in the same room as the ball. People Gerri confided in tell tales of seemingly sinister behavior by some of the investigators.
As the attention surrounding the "Betz Sphere" continues to grow, so do the theories behind its origin and the number of investigations. The family even claims a famous scientist insisted on sleeping in the same room as the ball. People Gerri confided in tell tales of seemingly sinister behavior by some of the investigators. Odd Ball is made possible by supporters of WJCT Public Media, with additional support from Bold Bean Coffee Roasters . Visit the Odd Ball Shop to taste Bold Bean’s latest coffee blend, Odd Ball, and get an Odd Ball mug and tote bag and the ability to binge all episodes of Odd Ball . Your contributions help WJCT Public Media make projects like this one.
This week we wrap up our coverage of the Betz Sphere with an examination of the many examinations that have been undertaken of the mysterious object. From the United States Naval to the National Enquirer, the orb has been the subject of scrutiny by a number of organizations. Where did it come from, and why is it here? Is it an alien artifact? A Doomsday Device? A Pokeball? While there are many questions that remain unanswered to this day, there is no doubt this is something more than a simple steel ball.
This week we wrap up our coverage of the Betz Sphere with an examination of the many examinations that have been undertaken of the mysterious object. From the United States Naval to the National Enquirer, the orb has been the subject of scrutiny by a number of organizations. Where did it come from, and why is it here? Is it an alien artifact? A Doomsday Device? A Pokeball? While there are many questions that remain unanswered to this day, there is no doubt this is something more than a simple steel ball.
This week Sam and Jason take a look at one of their weirdest subjects yet! Found unscorched in the remains of a land devouring inferno, the Betz Sphere has fascinated and bewildered skeptics and believers alike since it’s discovery. From autonomous movement which seems to defy the basic laws of physics, to possible attempts at advanced communication, the 8 inch, 22 pound perfectly round stainless steel sphere remains, to this day, an enigma. But what if where everyone is normally looking isn’t the right place to look at all? What other dark secrets may reside in the swamps that produced this haunting orb? We hope you’ll enjoy!
This week Sam and Jason take a look at one of their weirdest subjects yet! Found unscorched in the remains of a land devouring inferno, the Betz Sphere has fascinated and bewildered skeptics and believers alike since it’s discovery. From autonomous movement which seems to defy the basic laws of physics, to possible attempts at advanced communication, the 8 inch, 22 pound perfectly round stainless steel sphere remains, to this day, an enigma. But what if where everyone is normally looking isn’t the right place to look at all? What other dark secrets may reside in the swamps that produced this haunting orb? We hope you’ll enjoy!
In 1974, the Betz family found a strange metal sphere in the woods near their home which exhibited numerous unusual behaviors. Jimmy and Dom look at the media reports, investigations, and sinister doings that followed before it disappeared from public view for nearly 50 years. The post The Betz Sphere appeared first on SQPN.com.
Note: The Shownotes and Transcript below are a bit of a trainwork editing wise. I'll polish them up soon! C.S. Lewis from His essay The Seeing Eye, found in Christian Reflections: 1963, 6 years before the Moon Landing. (Discussing Space travel) a more practical issue will arise when, if ever, we discover rational creatures on other planets. I think myself, this is a very remote contingency. The balance of probability is against life on any other planet of the solar system. We shall hardly find it nearer than the stars. And even if we reach the Moon we shall be no nearer to stellar travel than the first man who paddled across a river was to crossing the Pacific.This thought is welcome to me because, to be frank, I have no pleasure in looking forward to a meeting between humanity and any alien rational species. I observe how the white man has hitherto treated the black, and how, even among civilized men, the stronger have treated the weaker. If we encounter in the depth of space a race, however innocent and amiable, which is technologically weaker than ourselves, I do not doubt that the same revolting story will be repeated. We shall enslave, deceive, exploit or exterminate; at the very least we shall corrupt it with our vices and infect it with our diseases. We are not fit yet to visit other worlds. We have filled our own with massacre, torture, syphilis, famine, dust bowls and with all that is hideous to ear or eye. Must we go on to infect new realms? It was in part these reflections that first moved me to make my own small contributions to science fiction. In those days writers in that genre almost automatically represented the inhabitants of other worlds as monsters and the terrestrial invaders as good. Since then the opposite set-up has become fairly common. If I could believe that I had in any degree contributed to this change, I should be a proud man.1 The same problem, by the way, is beginning to threaten us as regards the dolphins. I don't think it has yet been proved that they are rational. But if they are, we have no more right to enslave them than to enslave our fellow-men. And some of us will continue to say this, but we shall be mocked. C. S. Lewis, Christian Reflections, ed. Walter Hooper, EPub Edition. (HarperOne, 2014), 173–174. This science (astronomy) ought to be the special delight of ministers of the gospel, for surely it brings us into closer connection with God than almost any other science does. It has been said that an undevout astronomer is mad. I should say that an undevout man of any sort is mad,—with the worst form of madness; but, certainly, he who has become acquainted with the stars in the heavens, and who yet has not found out the great Father of lights, the Lord who made them all, must be stricken with a dire madness. Kepler, the great mathematical astronomer, who has so well explained many of the laws which govern the universe, closes one of his books, his Harmonics, with this reverent and devout expression of his feelings:—“I give thee thanks, Lord and Creator, that thou hast given me joy through thy creation; for I have been ravished with the work of thy hands. I have revealed unto mankind the glory of thy works, as far as my limited spirit could conceive their infinitude. Should I have brought forward anything that is unworthy of thee, or should I have sought my own fame, be graciously pleased to forgive me.” And you know how the mighty Newton, a very prince among the sons of men, was continually driven to his knees as he looked upwards to the skies, and discovered fresh wonders in the starry heavens. Therefore, the science which tends to bring men to bow in humility before the Lord should always be a favourite study with us whose business it is to inculcate reverence for God in all who come under our influence. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 145. Today's Question: At the very beginning of this podcast, I promised you that we would sometimes delve into wild and wacky areas of the Bible, and today is the day we begin that journey! Most of the time, we will play it straight, but the fact is that there are many interesting/mysterious and downright strange parts of the Bible, and I don't think we should ignore them, nor explain them away with a handwave. Let's embrace the weird! And, by the way, if this topic is interesting to you at all, then please check out my book Monsters in the Bible. It's my bestselling book of this year, which is funny, and from time to time, it ranks in Amazon's top ten for Occult Satanism...which is strange, to say the least, for a southern Baptist pastor. (I did NOT choose that category!) Vanderbilt astronomer David Weintraub reports that 55 percent of atheists believe in alien life, but only 32 percent of Christians. Weintraub wrote, "Most evangelical and fundamentalist Christian leaders argue quite forcefully that the Bible makes clear that extraterrestrial life does not exist. From this perspective, the only living, God-worshipping beings in the entire universe are humans, created by God, who live on Earth." DOES THE BIBLE REALLY, REALLY MAKE THAT CLEAR??! Calvary Chapel Church in Roswell, New Mexico (80 miles away from the Mac Brazel ranch, Roswell 1947 incident), would half-way agree. for instance, “Biblically IF there are aliens, there is no way we would have contact with them or God would have told us about it in the Bible and He did not. The Bible never speaks of Aliens from another planet. Further, there is no way they would crash and die here on planet earth. Death entered our world through Adam and effected everything on this planet. If there are Aliens, they would not be exposed to this curse.” LOTS OF SUPPOSITIONS HERE THAT AREN'T BACKED UP BY SCRIPTURE. “She smiled at me, therefore she likes me.” maybe, maybe not. It's a supposition, but is it supported by fact?? Let's take that first sentence and see how it logically holds up. “If there are aliens, there is no way we would have contact with them or God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” How about this: “IF Man were to travel to the moon, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” “If the United States of America would be the dominant superpower of the world in the 21st century, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” “If atoms were the building blocks of all matter, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” Such statements suppose that God is OBLIGATED to tell us about everything in the Bible. He is under no such obligation, so we can't assume things that we are left in the dark about. All the love in the world to Calvary Chapel, Roswell, though. I'm a fan. So, I'm also a fan of podcasts...a podcast connoisseur. I am subscribed to over one 100 podcasts of all shapes and sizes. Many of them are Christian podcasts, but many are not. In case you're curious, here's my current top ten podcasts. I'd love to hear yours too - tweet them to me at @bibleqpodcast. In no particular order: Ask Pastor John - John Piper, excellent biblical counsel. The Omnibus with Ken Jennings and John Roderick. Hilarious and informative. Ryen Russillo podcast - ESPN sports. My favorite sports commentator. SYSK with Josh and Chuck, have been a listener for over ten years. Astonishing Legends with Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess. Rainer on Leadership - Thom Rainer The Bible Project with Tim Mackie and Jon Collins Fantasy Focus Football - Matthew Berry (Avengers Endgame) True Crime Garage (warning: swearing) Payne Lindsey Podcasts - Monster, + Up and Vanished. Anyway...I was listening to one of the above, the Astonishing Legends podcast a few weeks ago. They were talking about a fairly fascinating object called the Betz Sphere that a family in Florida found in the woods in the 70s. The Betz Sphere demonstrated all sorts of unusual properties, and drew the interest of some news organizations and government people, including the former head of Project Blue book, Dr. J. Allen Hynek. Project Blue Book:(wikipedia): Project Blue Book was one of a series of systematic studies of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) conducted by the United States Air Force. It started in 1952, the third study of its kind, following projects Sign (1947) and Grudge (1949). A termination order was given for the study in December 1969, and all activity under its auspices officially ceased in January 1970. Project Blue Book had two goals: To determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and To scientifically analyze UFO-related data. J.Allen Hynek was the science advisor to Grudge, Sign and Blue Book. Wikipedia: Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 – April 27, 1986) was an American astronomer, professor, and ufologist.[1] In later years he conducted his own independent UFO research, developing the "Close Encounter" classification system. He was among the first people to conduct scientific analysis of reports and especially of trace evidence purportedly left by UFOs.[ Anyway, during his time researching the Betz sphere, Dr. J. Allen Hynek became good friends with the Betz family, getting to know them pretty well over the course of several visits. According to the Betz family, Dr. Hynek told them that the U.S. government was aware of several alien encounters/visitations, including Roswell, and had covered up most of them, so that the general public wouldn't freak out. Why would the public freak out? Well, apparently Dr. Hynek believe that, at least in part, that major religions, including Christianity, would have a large negative reaction to the existence of aliens, because that would seemingly contradict the teachings of the church, and the teachings of the Bible. Hynek believed that society might fall apart, if people knew that aliens actually existed. Now, let me pause for a moment. As much as I'm interested in this sort of thing, today's episode is NOT fundamentally about whether aliens exist and have made contact with us or not. I do actually know the answer to that question, but I can't give it to you now, its classified. ;) In truth, actually, I have no idea. BUT, because I can't help myself, I will say this one thing about the possibility of aliens. A Washington Post article at the end of April really got my attention: Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday. He said, “We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who's doing it, where it's coming from and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.” Luis Elizondo, a former senior intelligence officer, told The Post that the new Navy guidelines formalized the reporting process, facilitating data-driven analysis while removing the stigma from talking about UFOs, calling it “the single greatest decision the Navy has made in decades.” Elizondo, who ran the AATIP, (This is the multi-million dollar Pentagon program that investigates UFOs and was on the government budget books until 2012, when it was delisted on those budget books) said the newly drafted guidelines were a culmination of many things, most notably that the Navy had enough credible evidence — including eyewitness accounts and corroborating radar information — to “know this is occurring.” “If I came to you and said, ‘There are these things that can fly over our country with impunity, defying the laws of physics, and within moments could deploy a nuclear device at will,' that would be a matter of national security,” Elizondo said. With the number of U.S. military personnel in the Air Force and Navy who described the same observations, the noise level could not be ignored. “This type of activity is very alarming,” Elizondo said, “and people are recognizing there are things in our aerospace that lie beyond our understanding.” Before you get excited that this new initiative might finally clue in the public, I need to tell you that the WaPost ran an article the next week that basically said that the Navy was NOT going to be released to the public. Mr. Gradisher said, ““Furthermore, any report generated as a result of these investigations will, by necessity, include classified information on military operations. He added, “Therefore, no release of information to the general public is expected.””” So yeah, expect to be in the dark a few more years, at least. But today's question is not whether or not the U.S. Government will finally disclose Alien interactions, but whether or not the Bible rules out the existence of aliens at all! Is Dr. Hynek correct - if the Government suddenly announced alien contact of some kind - would that somehow invalidate the Bible? And the answer is…. I don't think so. Not at all. But, I could be wrong, and many theologians disagree with me. Let's look at the anti-alien case: GotQuestions https://www.gotquestions.org/aliens-Christian.html, “We do not believe that aliens exist. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe; in fact, the Bible gives us several key reasons why there cannot be. Those who contemplate the existence of aliens and the impact their existence would have on the Christian faith commonly discuss the identity and work of Jesus. God sent His only begotten Son, God incarnate, to save mankind and redeem creation. Does that redemption include life on other planets? Or would God have manifested Himself on those other planets, as well (in the manner of Aslan in Narnia)? Does “only begotten” mean “only physical representation”? Or is it more limited, referring only to the human species? WE DON'T KNOW!! Another topic of discussion concerning the existence of aliens and Christianity is what it means to be made in the “image of God.” Since God has no physical body, we take this to mean a reflection of God's non-physical aspects—rationality, morality, and sociability. Would aliens, if they exist, embody the same characteristics? WHY NOT? Considering what we know about space and life and the world as the Bible portrays it, we already have an explanation for so-called alien activity on Earth. Reports of “close encounters” describe the ethereal, transient, deceptive, and malevolent. Accounts also record that encounters with supposed aliens can be stopped by a real, authentic call to Jesus. Everything points to the activity of demons, not extraterrestrials. In fact, it is plausible that the “powerful delusion” spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 will involve an alien-abduction theory to explain away the rapture. I actually don't think most UFO reports - reported by seasoned Navy and Air-Force pilots, for instance, really has much in common with demonic episodes we see in Scripture. The “discovery” of alien life would have no effect on genuine Christianity. COMPLETELY AGREE The Bible stands as written, no matter what secular theories are advanced or discoveries are claimed. The Bible says the earth and mankind are unique in God's creation. God created the earth even before He created the sun, moon, or stars (Genesis 1). Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and He called the darkness “night.” Evening came and then morning: the first day. (It actually seems to say that God created the Heavens first...then the earth.) Matt Slick/CARM: The Bible does not mention extraterrestrial or alien life. However, it does mention angels and demonic forces which are, in a sense, not of this world. This is not the kind of alien, extraterrestrial life that most people are talking about when the subject comes up. Nevertheless, the Bible makes no mention whatsoever of aliens from other planets who might be visiting us. Now, Slick goes on from here to argue against alien life being likely, because he believes that the Bible declares all creation on all worlds fallen by what Adam did. That is certainly one way of reading the text, but I don't think that is the necessary way of reading the text. Paul could be speaking of all of creation on the earth. For instance, in Colossians 1:23, Paul writes: This gospel has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and I, Paul, have become a servant of it.What does this mean- that the Gospel has been proclaimed on Pluto? I don't think so. I believe Paul meant that the Gospel had been proclaimed in all of KNOWN creation. Michael Houdmann: Above all, let me say, I do not believe aliens exist. Let's also differentiate between sentient aliens and non-sentient aliens. While I would not necessarily have a theological problem with the concept of non-sentient beings (fish, birds, dogs, etc.) existing on other planets, I do have a huge theological problem with the concept of other sentient beings existing elsewhere. It just does not mesh with the teachings of the Bible. The Bible presents humanity as uniquely created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26). Angels are not created in the image of God. Animals are not created in the image of God. According to the Bible, we are unique, specifically created to have a personal relationship and connection with God the Creator. Intelligent/sentient life in other parts of the universe destroys, or at least weakens, this uniqueness. And it raises all kinds of questions. When did God create the aliens? Do the sentient aliens have an eternal soul? Did they fall into sin? Did God reveal Himself to them? Does their understanding of God match what the Bible says? Did God provide them with an alien Bible? Did God provide for and offer them redemption and salvation? If so, how? Did Jesus die for them too?Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.” Notice how it doesn't say Let us make man - and man alone in all of the universe - in our Image. Houdmann goes on to say: All joking aside, if God intended for humankind to meet alien life, He would have outlined these encounters in the Bible, along with an answer to what He has done for them regarding sin.I just don't agree with that speculation. I like Houdmann and Got questions a ton, and find them very faithful to the Bible, but this is speculation that I find unbacked by biblical truth. HOW do we know that God would do this? How can we prove such a thing? I just don't think we can. I feel like such speculations are very similar to Lactantius' (an early church father in the 200s) scoffing at the possibility that the earth was round. He could NOT cite a Scripture to prove the earth was flat - as he thought - but he assumed that Scripture taught such a thing, WHEN IT DOES NOT. Similarly, Augustine poo-pood the existence of Antipodes on the other side of the world, thinking that Scripture backed that belief up, but it doesn't, and Augustine was wrong. GIVE ME CLEAR SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS LIFE ON EARTH IS UNIQUE and I will believe it against all charges...but such a Scripture does NOT exist. TBR Baptist Facebook Group: Jim I thought this was a serious group Well - He's new. Also, I genuinely think this is a serious topic! Wes Apparently, some were aliens at one point Ephesians 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God Similarly Doug Hibbard 1 Peter suggests that *you* are the aliens Jim Spiritual Wickedness in heavenly places, Rulers and authorities. Demons dressed up like them. Jacob I think the possibility of aliens falls apart when discussing the fall. As best as we can tell the whole universe is subject to the natural effects of the curse. If that is true, then another rational species, which did not fall, is out there subjected to the consequences of it. Do these aliens have their own Salvation history? Did they, somehow, simultaneously fall alongside Adam, and have their own Jesus? If, in keeping with Scripture, the crucifixion of Christ is a one time event, then another race would be subject to a punishment that they do not deserve with no possible hope for salvation. Pro Brandon Ambrosino on BBC.Com http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161215-if-we-made-contact-with-aliens-how-would-religions-react : But how could a believer reconcile this with their faith that humans are the crowning achievement of God's creation?. How could humans believe they were the apple of their creator's eye if their planet was just one of billions? The discovery of intelligent aliens could have a similar Copernican effect on human's self-understanding. Would the discovery make believers feel insignificant, and as a consequence, cause people to question their faith? According to the Talmud, God spends his night flying throughout 18,000 worlds I would argue that this concern is misguided. The claim that God is involved with and moved by humans has never required an Earth-centric theology. The Psalms, sacred to both Jews and Christians, claim that God has given names to all the stars. Billy Graham as a notable exception, as he was vocal about his beliefs that "there are intelligent beings like us far away in space who worship God." J. Warner Wallace: What impact does this question (and even more importantly, the answer to this question) have on the claims of Christianity and the truth of the Christian worldview? Jeff Zweerink, astrophysicist and Christian: Many people seem to think that discovering life on another planet would mean that naturalism is correct and Christianity is wrong. One thing I found fascinating is that for centuries Christians have thought about the implications of intelligent life in the universe. As I investigated the truth claims of Christianity, I realized that the existence of life of any sort beyond the confines of Earth is a great theological question—without a definitive answer. At this time, I am convinced that any hypothetical discovery of life in the universe will still point to God's creative work and ultimately help us understand God's revelation better. I'm with Jeff here. Some people do indeed seem to think that finding life on other planets would prove the Bible - or Christianity wrong somehow. To that, I saw - How and Why would such a thing disprove God or the Bible? If God made life on planet Earth - and He did - then why couldn't He make it elsewhere? To those Christians who seem to think that God would only make life on earth - I say, again, why would He do that? Why would He create billions of planets - most outside of our ability to see or observe...and leave them devoid of any inhabitants? In absence of Scripture, or absolute proof of alien life, conjecture proves nothing, but that cuts both ways. Merely speculating that God would not create life on other planets does not prove that it is so. The question we are grappling with today is this one: Does the Bible rule out alien life, and the answer - the CLEAR answer...is NO! It does not. William Lane Craig, 2008 episode of Reasonable Faith: Dr. Craig: Yeah. Well, I think that it's possible. [that there is alien life] One would argue that if there is life on other planets it would have had to be created by God because on a naturalistic basis I think we'd say that the evidence against there being intelligent extraterrestrial life anywhere in the observable universe is extremely great. The probabilities on naturalism that there is extraterrestrial intelligent life is virtually nil. So actually being a theist would be the best grounds for thinking that it could be possible because as a theist you think God created life here on this planet so then you could say, well, maybe God created life as well on some other planet somewhere in the universe. It is really the theist who is, I think, a lot more open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life than the non-theist…. Kevin Harris: This brings up the issue of UFOs and aliens invading earth and all the things that are in pop culture to this day – flying saucer phenomena and things like that. Well, the Vatican astronomer has just said it could be. You can make up your own mind about that. It seems, Dr. Craig, that the Bible is largely silent about this issue. Dr. Craig: I think it is silent, Kevin. The Scriptures are given to human beings as God's revelation to people on this planet. Therefore, there is no reason to think that there could not be persons that God has created in some unknown galaxy that we have no idea about, and he has provided a revelation of himself to them as well. I think it would be presumptuous to say that we know that he hasn't done that. Kevin Harris: He says that the possibility of extraterrestrial life does not contradict our faith. In other words, if a flying saucer landed on the White House lawn today, nobody could stand up and say Christianity is false. Dr. Craig: That is right. That seems to me to be correct. I am puzzled by folks who seem to think that if intelligent life were discovered somewhere else or that if it were to come here that somehow this would be a disproof of Christianity. That seems to me to be a complete non sequitur. It doesn't follow because Christianity simply doesn't speak to the question of whether or not God has created life elsewhere in the universe. If somebody tells you that there could be no aliens from a Bible/Christian perspective, ask them to show you clear backing for such a thing from Scripture. If you believe that, then please, please, please send me your Scriptural reasons for such a belief. Just Be sure you aren't making VAST leaps in logic. For example, the Bible clearly says Jesus died for our sins, if there are aliens, then how would God redeem them? That's a great question, and I don't know the answer, but it certainly doesn't prove that there are no aliens. Perhaps our hypothetical aliens did not fall, like Adam and Eve did. Perhaps they are indeed redeemed by Christ's sacrifice in a way that we don't understand. Who Knows?! But I do know that I can find no Scripture that clearly denies the possibility of alien life, or that clearly affirms the existence of alien life. I can also find no Scripture, the implications of which would logically rule out either outcome. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord from the heavens; praise him in the heights above. Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his heavenly hosts. Praise him, sun and moon; praise him, all you shining stars. Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies. Let them praise the name of the Lord, for at his command they were created. (Ps. 148:1–5) Are there aliens? I've no idea. I think the wisest and best and most biblical answer is either “Maybe” or “I don't know.” To assert otherwise is borderline irresponsible. BUT - if there ARE aliens, does this pose a threat to Scripture? Absolutely not. You can't contradict what isn't there. In 1928, Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin, the first true antibiotic. Did this MASSIVELY IMPORTANT DISCOVERY contradict the Bible? Of course not - because the Bible never discussed nor addressed such a thing. Similarly, the discovery of alien life - if it happens at all - will not at all shake any Scriptural truth in the Bible - NOT A ONE. Will it shake our lives? Maybe so. But, you can't find aliens in the Scripture. Not clearly. Likewise, you can't find the United States in Scripture either, and that ‘omission' seems to rightly bother no one. It is not incumbent upon God to reveal to man all important future events in His Word. Ultimately, I stand with Spurgeon, and actually stood with Spurgeon before I knew his position on this question. It took a lot of research to find this quote, but here you go: What God has done in the eternity which we call the past (but which to him is as the present), we do not fully know. We have no reason to believe that we know much of what God has done. There may be as many other worlds and sorts of beings existent as there are sands upon the sea shore, for aught we know; and the Lord may have been occupied in ages past with ten thousand glorious plans, and economies, as yet unrevealed to man. We cannot tell what he doeth, or what he hath done. We are creatures of a day, and know nothing; we are like insects that are born on a leaf, and die amid our fellows at the setting of the sun, but he lives on for ever. We talk of the “eternal hills,” but they are babes that were born yesterday, as far as he is concerned. “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting thou art God.” We say, “Roll on, thou ancient ocean!” but the ocean is not ancient; it is a drop that fell yesterday from the tip of the Creator's finger. C. H. Spurgeon, “The Eternal Truth of God,” in The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, vol. 21 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1875), 651. Spurgeon: To us, to-day, the coming of Christ to seek and to save the lost is an accomplished fact, a matter of history, most sure and certain. And what a fact it is! You have often thought of it, but have you ever worked your mind into the very heart of it,—that God has actually visited this world in human form,—that he before whom angels bow has actually been here, in fashion like ourselves, feeding the hungry crowds of Palestine, healing their sick, and raising their dead? I know not what may be the peculiar boast of other planets, but this poor star cannot be excelled, for on this world the Creator has stood. This earth has been trodden by the feet of God, and yet it was not crushed beneath the mighty burden, because he deigned to link his Deity with our humanity. The incarnation is a wonder of wonders, but it does not belong to the realm of imagination, or even of expectation, for it has actually been beheld by mortal eyes. C. H. Spurgeon, “Christ the Seeker and Saviour of the Lost,” in The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, vol. 58 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1912), 314. SKIP. INCLUDE IN BOOK. There are also triple stars, or systems, and quadruple systems, and there are, in some cases, hundreds or thousands all spinning round one another, and around their central luminaries. Wonderful combinations of glory and beauty may be seen in the stellar sky; and some of these stars are red, some blue, some yellow, all the colours of the rainbow are represented in them. It would be very wonderful to live in one of them, and to look across the sky, and see all the glories of the heavens that God has made. On the whole, however, for the present, I am quite content to abide upon this little planet, especially as I am not able to change it for another home, until God so wills it. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 177. CLOSE WITH EXTENDED READING OF LEWIS' ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION: From Christian Reflections: an essay Called, “The Seeing Eye” Some people are troubled, and others are delighted, at the idea of finding not one, but perhaps innumerable rational species scattered about the universe. In both cases the emotion arises from a belief that such discoveries would be fatal to Christian theology. For it will be said that theology connects the Incarnation of God with the Fall and Redemption of man. And this would seem to attribute to our species and to our little planet a central position in cosmic history which is not credible if rationally inhabited planets are to be had by the million. Older readers will, with me, notice the vast change in astronomical speculation which this view involves. When we were boys all astronomers, so far as I know, impressed upon us the antecedent improbabilities of life in any part of the universe whatever. It was not thought unlikely that this earth was the solitary exception to a universal reign of the inorganic. Now Professor Hoyle, and many with him, say that in so vast a universe life must have occurred in times and places without number. The interesting thing is that I have heard both these estimates used as arguments against Christianity. Now it seems to me that we must find out more than we can at present know—which is nothing—about hypothetical rational species before we can say what theological corollaries or difficulties their discovery would raise. We might, for example, find a race which was, like us, rational but, unlike us, innocent—no wars nor any other wickedness among them; all peace and good fellowship. I don't think any Christian would be puzzled to find that they knew no story of an Incarnation or Redemption, and might even find our story hard to understand or accept if we told it to them. There would have been no Redemption in such a world because it would not have needed redeeming. ‘They that are whole need not the physician.' The sheep that has never strayed need not be sought for. We should have much to learn from such people and nothing to teach them. If we were wise, we should fall at their feet. But probably we should be unable to ‘take it'. We'd find some reason for exterminating them. Again, we might find a race which, like ours, contained both good and bad. And we might find that for them, as for us, something had been done: that at some point in their history some great interference for the better, believed by some of them to be supernatural, had been recorded, and that its effects, though often impeded and perverted, were still alive among them. It need not, as far as I can see, have conformed to the pattern of Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection. God may have other ways—how should I be able to imagine them?—of redeeming a lost world. And Redemption in that alien mode might not be easily recognizable by our missionaries, let alone by our atheists. We might meet a species which, like us, needed Redemption but had not been given it. But would this fundamentally be more of a difficulty than any Christian's first meeting with a new tribe of savages? It would be our duty to preach the Gospel to them. For if they are rational, capable both of sin and repentance, they are our brethren, whatever they look like. Would this spreading of the Gospel from earth, through man, imply a pre-eminence for earth and man? Not in any real sense. If a thing is to begin at all, it must begin at some particular time and place; and any time and place raises the question: ‘Why just then and just there?' One can conceive an extraterrestrial development of Christianity so brilliant that earth's place in the story might sink to that of a prologue. Finally, we might find a race which was strictly diabolical—no tiniest spark felt in them from which any goodness could ever be coaxed into the feeblest glow; all of them incurably perverted through and through. What then? We Christians had always been told that there were creatures like that in existence. True, we thought they were all incorporeal spirits. A minor readjustment thus becomes necessary. But all this is in the realm of fantastic speculation. We are trying to cross a bridge, not only before we come to it, but even before we know there is a river that needs bridging. C. S. Lewis, Christian Reflections, ed. Walter Hooper, EPub Edition. (HarperOne, 2014), 174–176. Religion and Rocketry - 1958 RELIGION AND ROCKETRY In my time I have heard two quite different arguments against my religion put forward in the name of science. When I was a youngster, people used to say that the universe was not only not friendly to life but positively hostile to it. Life had appeared on this planet by a millionth chance, as if at one point there had been a breakdown of the elaborate defences generally enforced against it. We should be rash to assume that such a leak had occurred more than once. Probably life was a purely terrestrial abnormality. We were alone in an infinite desert. Which just showed the absurdity of the Christian idea that there was a Creator who was interested in living creatures. But then came Professor F. B. Hoyle, the Cambridge cosmologist, and in a fortnight or so everyone I met seemed to have decided that the universe was probably quite well provided with inhabitable globes and with livestock to inhabit them. Which just showed (equally well) the absurdity of Christianity with its parochial idea that Man could be important to God. This is a warning of what we may expect if we ever do discover animal life (vegetable does not matter) on another planet. Each new discovery, even every new theory, is held at first to have the most wide-reaching theological and philosophical consequences. It is seized by unbelievers as the basis for a new attack on Christianity; it is often, and more embarrassingly, seized by injudicious believers as the basis for a new defence. But usually, when the popular hubbub has subsided and the novelty has been chewed over by real theologians, real scientists, and real philosophers, both sides find themselves pretty much where they were before. So it was with Copernican astronomy, with Darwinism, with Biblical Criticism, with the new psychology. So, I cannot help expecting, it will be with the discovery of ‘life on other planets'—if that discovery is ever made. The supposed threat is clearly directed against the doctrine of the Incarnation, the belief that God born of God ‘for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was . . . made man'. Why for us men more than for others? If we find ourselves to be but one among a million races, scattered through a million spheres, how can we, without absurd arrogance, believe ourselves to have been uniquely favoured? I admit that the question could become formidable. In fact, it will become formidable when, if ever, we know the answer to five other questions. 1. Are there animals anywhere except on earth? We do not know. We do not know whether we ever shall know. 2. Supposing there were, have any of these animals what we call ‘rational souls'? By this I include not merely the faculty to abstract and calculate, but the apprehension of values, the power to mean by ‘good 'something more than ‘good for me' or even ‘good for my species'. If instead of asking, ‘Have they rational souls?' you prefer to ask, ‘Are they spiritual animals?' I think we shall both mean pretty much the same. If the answer to either question should be No, then of course it would not be at all strange that our species should be treated differently from theirs. There would be no sense in offering to a creature, however clever or amiable, a gift which that creature was by its nature incapable either of desiring or of receiving. We teach our sons to read but not our dogs. The dogs prefer bones. And of course, since we do not yet know whether there are extra-terrestrial animals at all, we are a long way from knowing that they are rational (or ‘spiritual'). Even if we met them we might not find it so easy to decide. It seems to me possible to suppose creatures so clever that they could talk, though they were, from the theological point of view, really only animals, capable of pursuing or enjoying only natural ends. One meets humans—the machine-minded and materialistic urban type—who look as if they were just that. As Christians we must believe the appearance to be false; somewhere under that glib surface there lurks, however atrophied, a human soul. But in other worlds there might be things that really are what these seem to be. Conversely, there might be creatures genuinely spiritual, whose powers of manufacture and abstract thought were so humble that we should mistake them for mere animals. God shield them from us! 3. If there are species, and rational species, other than man, are any or all of them, like us, fallen? This is the point non-Christians always seem to forget. They seem to think that the Incarnation implies some particular merit or excellence in humanity. But of course it implies just the reverse: a particular demerit and depravity. No creature that deserved Redemption would need to be redeemed. They that are whole need not the physician.Christ died for men precisely because men are not worth dying for; to make them worth it. Notice what waves of utterly unwarranted hypothesis these critics of Christianity want us to swim through. We are now supposing the fall of hypothetically rational creatures whose mere existence is hypothetical! 4. If all of them (and surely all is a long shot) or any of them have fallen have they been denied Redemption by the Incarnation and Passion of Christ? For of course it is no very new idea that the eternal Son may, for all we know, have been incarnate in other worlds than earth and so saved other races than ours. As Alice Meynell wrote in ‘Christ in the Universe': I wouldn't go as far as ‘doubtless' myself. Perhaps of all races we only fell. Perhaps Man is the only lost sheep; the one, therefore, whom the Shepherd came to seek. Or perhaps—but this brings us to the next wave of assumption. It is the biggest yet and will knock us head over heels, but I am fond of a tumble in the surf. 5. If we knew (which we don't) the answers to 1, 2, and 3—and, further, if we knew that Redemption by an Incarnation and Passion had been denied to creatures in need of it—is it certain that this is the only mode of Redemption that is possible? Here of course we ask for what is not merely unknown but, unless God should reveal it, wholly unknowable. It may be that the further we were permitted to see into His councils, the more clearly we should understand that thus and not otherwise—by the birth at Bethlehem, the cross on Calvary and the empty tomb—a fallen race could be rescued. There may be a necessity for this, insurmountable, rooted in the very nature of God and the very nature of sin. But we don't know. At any rate, I don't know. Spiritual as well as physical conditions might differ widely in different worlds. There might be different sorts and different degrees of fallenness. We must surely believe that the divine charity is as fertile in resource as it is measureless in condescension. To different diseases, or even to different patients sick with the same disease, the great Physician may have applied different remedies; remedies which we should probably not recognise as such even if we ever heard of them. It might turn out that the redemption of other species differed from ours by working through ours. There is a hint of something like this in St Paul (Romans 8:19–23) when he says that the whole creation is longing and waiting to be delivered from some kind of slavery, and that the deliverance will occur only when we, we Christians, fully enter upon our sonship to God and exercise our ‘glorious liberty'. On the conscious level I believe that he was thinking only of our own Earth: of animal, and probably vegetable, life on Earth being ‘renewed' or glorified at the glorification of man in Christ. But it is perhaps possible—it is not necessary—to give his words a cosmic meaning. It may be that Redemption, starting with us, is to work from us and through us. This would no doubt give man a pivotal position. But such a position need not imply any superiority in us or any favouritism in God. The general, deciding where to begin his attack, does not select the prettiest landscape or the most fertile field or the most attractive village. Christ was not born in a stable because a stable is, in itself, the most convenient or distinguished place for a maternity. Only if we had some such function would a contact between us and such unknown races be other than a calamity. If indeed we were unfallen, it would be another matter. It sets one dreaming—to interchange thoughts with beings whose thinking had an organic background wholly different from ours (other senses, other appetites), to be unenviously humbled by intellects possibly superior to our own yet able for that very reason to descend to our level, to descend lovingly ourselves if we met innocent and childlike creatures who could never be as strong or as clever as we, to exchange with the inhabitants of other worlds that especially keen and rich affection which exists between unlikes; it is a glorious dream. But make no mistake. It is a dream. We are fallen. We know what our race does to strangers. Man destroys or enslaves every species he can. Civilised man murders, enslaves, cheats, and corrupts savage man. Even inanimate nature he turns into dust bowls and slag-heaps. There are individuals who don't. But they are not the sort who are likely to be our pioneers in space. Our ambassador to new worlds will be the needy and greedy adventurer or the ruthless technical expert. They will do as their kind has always done. What that will be if they meet things weaker than themselves, the black man and the red man can tell. If they meet things stronger, they will be, very properly, destroyed. It is interesting to wonder how things would go if they met an unfallen race. At first, to be sure, they'd have a grand time jeering at, duping, and exploiting its innocence; but I doubt if our half-animal cunning would long be a match for godlike wisdom, selfless valour, and perfect unanimity. I therefore fear the practical, not the theoretical, problems which will arise if ever we meet rational creatures which are not human. Against them we shall, if we can, commit all the crimes we have already committed against creatures certainly human but differing from us in features and pigmentation; and the starry heavens will become an object to which good men can look up only with feelings of intolerable guilt, agonized pity, and burning shame. Of course after the first debauch of exploitation we shall make some belated attempt to do better. We shall perhaps send missionaries. But can even missionaries be trusted? ‘Gun and gospel' have been horribly combined in the past. The missionary's holy desire to save souls has not always been kept quite distinct from the arrogant desire, the busybody's itch, to (as he calls it) ‘civilise' the (as he calls them) ‘natives'. Would all our missionaries recognise an unfallen race if they met it? Could they? Would they continue to press upon creatures that did not need to be saved that plan of Salvation which God has appointed for Man? Would they denounce as sins mere differences of behaviour which the spiritual and biological history of these strange creatures fully justified and which God Himself had blessed? Would they try to teach those from whom they had better learn? I do not know. What I do know is that here and now, as our only possible practical preparation for such a meeting, you and I should resolve to stand firm against all exploitation and all theological imperialism. It will not be fun. We shall be called traitors to our own species. We shall be hated of almost all men; even of some religious men. And we must not give back one single inch. We shall probably fail, but let us go down fighting for the right side. Our loyalty is due not to our species but to God. Those who are, or can become, His sons, are our real brothers even if they have shells or tusks. It is spiritual, not biological, kinship that counts. But let us thank God that we are still very far from travel to other worlds. I have wondered before now whether the vast astronomical distances may not be God's quarantine precautions. They prevent the spiritual infection of a fallen species from spreading. And of course we are also very far from the supposed theological problem which contact with other rational species might raise. Such species may not exist. There is not at present a shred of empirical evidence that they do. There is nothing but what thelogicians would call arguments from ‘a priori probability'—arguments that begin ‘It is only natural to suppose', or ‘All analogy suggests', or ‘Is it not the height of arrogance to rule out—?' They make very good reading. But who except a born gambler ever risks five dollars on such grounds in ordinary life? And, as we have seen, the mere existence of these creatures would not raise a problem. After that, we still need to know that they are fallen; then, that they have not been, or will not be, redeemed in the mode we know; and then, that no other mode is possible. I think a Christian is sitting pretty if his faith never encounters more formidable difficulties than these conjectural phantoms. If I remember rightly, St Augustine raised a question about the theological position of satyrs, monopods, and other semi-human creatures. He decided it could wait till we knew there were any. So can this. ‘But supposing,' you say. ‘Supposing all these embarrassing suppositions turned out to be true?' I can only record a conviction that they won't; a conviction which has for me become in the course of years irresistible.Christians and their opponents again and again expect that some new discovery will either turn matters of faith into matters of knowledge or else reduce them to patent absurdities. But it has never happened. What we believe always remains intellectually possible; it never becomes intellectually compulsive. I have an idea that when this ceases to be so, the world will be ending. We have been warned that all but conclusive evidence against Christianity, evidence that would deceive (if it were possible) the very elect, will appear with Antichrist. And after that there will be wholly conclusive evidence on the other side. But not, I fancy, till then on either side. SPURGEON: I suppose you are all aware that among the old systems of astronomy was one which placed the earth in the centre, and made the sun, and the moon, and the stars revolve around it. “Its three fundamental principles were the immobility of the earth, its central position, and the daily revolution of all the heavenly bodies around it in circular orbits.” Now, in a similar fashion, there is a way of making a system of theology of which man is the centre, by which it is implied that Christ and his atoning sacrifice are only made for man's sake, and that the Holy Spirit is merely a great Worker on man's behalf, and that even the great and glorious Father is to be viewed simply as existing for the sake of making man happy. Well, that may be the system of theology adopted by some; but, brethren, we must not fall into that error, for, just as the earth is not the centre of the universe, so man is not the grandest of all beings. God has been pleased highly to exalt man; but we must remember how the psalmist speaks of him: “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him; and the son of man, that thou visitest him?” In another place, David says, “Lord, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him! Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.” Man cannot be the centre of the theological universe, he is altogether too insignificant a being to occupy such a position, and the scheme of redemption must exist for some other end than that of merely making man happy, or even of making him holy. The salvation of man must surely be first of all for the glory of God; and you have discovered the right form of Christian doctrine when you have found the system that has God in the centre, ruling and controlling according to the good pleasure of his will. Do not dwarf man so as to make it appear that God has no care for him; for if you do that, you slander God. Give to man the position that God has assigned to him; by doing so, you will have a system of theology in which all the truths of revelation and experience will move in glorious order and harmony around the great central orb, the Divine Sovereign Ruler of the universe, God over all, blessed for ever. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 149.
Note: The Shownotes and Transcript below are a bit of a trainwork editing wise. I'll polish them up soon! C.S. Lewis from His essay The Seeing Eye, found in Christian Reflections: 1963, 6 years before the Moon Landing. (Discussing Space travel) a more practical issue will arise when, if ever, we discover rational creatures on other planets. I think myself, this is a very remote contingency. The balance of probability is against life on any other planet of the solar system. We shall hardly find it nearer than the stars. And even if we reach the Moon we shall be no nearer to stellar travel than the first man who paddled across a river was to crossing the Pacific.This thought is welcome to me because, to be frank, I have no pleasure in looking forward to a meeting between humanity and any alien rational species. I observe how the white man has hitherto treated the black, and how, even among civilized men, the stronger have treated the weaker. If we encounter in the depth of space a race, however innocent and amiable, which is technologically weaker than ourselves, I do not doubt that the same revolting story will be repeated. We shall enslave, deceive, exploit or exterminate; at the very least we shall corrupt it with our vices and infect it with our diseases. We are not fit yet to visit other worlds. We have filled our own with massacre, torture, syphilis, famine, dust bowls and with all that is hideous to ear or eye. Must we go on to infect new realms? It was in part these reflections that first moved me to make my own small contributions to science fiction. In those days writers in that genre almost automatically represented the inhabitants of other worlds as monsters and the terrestrial invaders as good. Since then the opposite set-up has become fairly common. If I could believe that I had in any degree contributed to this change, I should be a proud man.1 The same problem, by the way, is beginning to threaten us as regards the dolphins. I don't think it has yet been proved that they are rational. But if they are, we have no more right to enslave them than to enslave our fellow-men. And some of us will continue to say this, but we shall be mocked. C. S. Lewis, Christian Reflections, ed. Walter Hooper, EPub Edition. (HarperOne, 2014), 173–174. This science (astronomy) ought to be the special delight of ministers of the gospel, for surely it brings us into closer connection with God than almost any other science does. It has been said that an undevout astronomer is mad. I should say that an undevout man of any sort is mad,—with the worst form of madness; but, certainly, he who has become acquainted with the stars in the heavens, and who yet has not found out the great Father of lights, the Lord who made them all, must be stricken with a dire madness. Kepler, the great mathematical astronomer, who has so well explained many of the laws which govern the universe, closes one of his books, his Harmonics, with this reverent and devout expression of his feelings:—“I give thee thanks, Lord and Creator, that thou hast given me joy through thy creation; for I have been ravished with the work of thy hands. I have revealed unto mankind the glory of thy works, as far as my limited spirit could conceive their infinitude. Should I have brought forward anything that is unworthy of thee, or should I have sought my own fame, be graciously pleased to forgive me.” And you know how the mighty Newton, a very prince among the sons of men, was continually driven to his knees as he looked upwards to the skies, and discovered fresh wonders in the starry heavens. Therefore, the science which tends to bring men to bow in humility before the Lord should always be a favourite study with us whose business it is to inculcate reverence for God in all who come under our influence. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 145. Today's Question: At the very beginning of this podcast, I promised you that we would sometimes delve into wild and wacky areas of the Bible, and today is the day we begin that journey! Most of the time, we will play it straight, but the fact is that there are many interesting/mysterious and downright strange parts of the Bible, and I don't think we should ignore them, nor explain them away with a handwave. Let's embrace the weird! And, by the way, if this topic is interesting to you at all, then please check out my book Monsters in the Bible. It's my bestselling book of this year, which is funny, and from time to time, it ranks in Amazon's top ten for Occult Satanism...which is strange, to say the least, for a southern Baptist pastor. (I did NOT choose that category!) Vanderbilt astronomer David Weintraub reports that 55 percent of atheists believe in alien life, but only 32 percent of Christians. Weintraub wrote, "Most evangelical and fundamentalist Christian leaders argue quite forcefully that the Bible makes clear that extraterrestrial life does not exist. From this perspective, the only living, God-worshipping beings in the entire universe are humans, created by God, who live on Earth." DOES THE BIBLE REALLY, REALLY MAKE THAT CLEAR??! Calvary Chapel Church in Roswell, New Mexico (80 miles away from the Mac Brazel ranch, Roswell 1947 incident), would half-way agree. for instance, “Biblically IF there are aliens, there is no way we would have contact with them or God would have told us about it in the Bible and He did not. The Bible never speaks of Aliens from another planet. Further, there is no way they would crash and die here on planet earth. Death entered our world through Adam and effected everything on this planet. If there are Aliens, they would not be exposed to this curse.” LOTS OF SUPPOSITIONS HERE THAT AREN'T BACKED UP BY SCRIPTURE. “She smiled at me, therefore she likes me.” maybe, maybe not. It's a supposition, but is it supported by fact?? Let's take that first sentence and see how it logically holds up. “If there are aliens, there is no way we would have contact with them or God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” How about this: “IF Man were to travel to the moon, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” “If the United States of America would be the dominant superpower of the world in the 21st century, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” “If atoms were the building blocks of all matter, God would have told us about it in the Bible, and He did not.” Such statements suppose that God is OBLIGATED to tell us about everything in the Bible. He is under no such obligation, so we can't assume things that we are left in the dark about. All the love in the world to Calvary Chapel, Roswell, though. I'm a fan. So, I'm also a fan of podcasts...a podcast connoisseur. I am subscribed to over one 100 podcasts of all shapes and sizes. Many of them are Christian podcasts, but many are not. In case you're curious, here's my current top ten podcasts. I'd love to hear yours too - tweet them to me at @bibleqpodcast. In no particular order: Ask Pastor John - John Piper, excellent biblical counsel. The Omnibus with Ken Jennings and John Roderick. Hilarious and informative. Ryen Russillo podcast - ESPN sports. My favorite sports commentator. SYSK with Josh and Chuck, have been a listener for over ten years. Astonishing Legends with Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess. Rainer on Leadership - Thom Rainer The Bible Project with Tim Mackie and Jon Collins Fantasy Focus Football - Matthew Berry (Avengers Endgame) True Crime Garage (warning: swearing) Payne Lindsey Podcasts - Monster, + Up and Vanished. Anyway...I was listening to one of the above, the Astonishing Legends podcast a few weeks ago. They were talking about a fairly fascinating object called the Betz Sphere that a family in Florida found in the woods in the 70s. The Betz Sphere demonstrated all sorts of unusual properties, and drew the interest of some news organizations and government people, including the former head of Project Blue book, Dr. J. Allen Hynek. Project Blue Book:(wikipedia): Project Blue Book was one of a series of systematic studies of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) conducted by the United States Air Force. It started in 1952, the third study of its kind, following projects Sign (1947) and Grudge (1949). A termination order was given for the study in December 1969, and all activity under its auspices officially ceased in January 1970. Project Blue Book had two goals: To determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and To scientifically analyze UFO-related data. J.Allen Hynek was the science advisor to Grudge, Sign and Blue Book. Wikipedia: Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 – April 27, 1986) was an American astronomer, professor, and ufologist.[1] In later years he conducted his own independent UFO research, developing the "Close Encounter" classification system. He was among the first people to conduct scientific analysis of reports and especially of trace evidence purportedly left by UFOs.[ Anyway, during his time researching the Betz sphere, Dr. J. Allen Hynek became good friends with the Betz family, getting to know them pretty well over the course of several visits. According to the Betz family, Dr. Hynek told them that the U.S. government was aware of several alien encounters/visitations, including Roswell, and had covered up most of them, so that the general public wouldn't freak out. Why would the public freak out? Well, apparently Dr. Hynek believe that, at least in part, that major religions, including Christianity, would have a large negative reaction to the existence of aliens, because that would seemingly contradict the teachings of the church, and the teachings of the Bible. Hynek believed that society might fall apart, if people knew that aliens actually existed. Now, let me pause for a moment. As much as I'm interested in this sort of thing, today's episode is NOT fundamentally about whether aliens exist and have made contact with us or not. I do actually know the answer to that question, but I can't give it to you now, its classified. ;) In truth, actually, I have no idea. BUT, because I can't help myself, I will say this one thing about the possibility of aliens. A Washington Post article at the end of April really got my attention: Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday. He said, “We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who's doing it, where it's coming from and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.” Luis Elizondo, a former senior intelligence officer, told The Post that the new Navy guidelines formalized the reporting process, facilitating data-driven analysis while removing the stigma from talking about UFOs, calling it “the single greatest decision the Navy has made in decades.” Elizondo, who ran the AATIP, (This is the multi-million dollar Pentagon program that investigates UFOs and was on the government budget books until 2012, when it was delisted on those budget books) said the newly drafted guidelines were a culmination of many things, most notably that the Navy had enough credible evidence — including eyewitness accounts and corroborating radar information — to “know this is occurring.” “If I came to you and said, ‘There are these things that can fly over our country with impunity, defying the laws of physics, and within moments could deploy a nuclear device at will,' that would be a matter of national security,” Elizondo said. With the number of U.S. military personnel in the Air Force and Navy who described the same observations, the noise level could not be ignored. “This type of activity is very alarming,” Elizondo said, “and people are recognizing there are things in our aerospace that lie beyond our understanding.” Before you get excited that this new initiative might finally clue in the public, I need to tell you that the WaPost ran an article the next week that basically said that the Navy was NOT going to be released to the public. Mr. Gradisher said, ““Furthermore, any report generated as a result of these investigations will, by necessity, include classified information on military operations. He added, “Therefore, no release of information to the general public is expected.””” So yeah, expect to be in the dark a few more years, at least. But today's question is not whether or not the U.S. Government will finally disclose Alien interactions, but whether or not the Bible rules out the existence of aliens at all! Is Dr. Hynek correct - if the Government suddenly announced alien contact of some kind - would that somehow invalidate the Bible? And the answer is…. I don't think so. Not at all. But, I could be wrong, and many theologians disagree with me. Let's look at the anti-alien case: GotQuestions https://www.gotquestions.org/aliens-Christian.html, “We do not believe that aliens exist. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe; in fact, the Bible gives us several key reasons why there cannot be. Those who contemplate the existence of aliens and the impact their existence would have on the Christian faith commonly discuss the identity and work of Jesus. God sent His only begotten Son, God incarnate, to save mankind and redeem creation. Does that redemption include life on other planets? Or would God have manifested Himself on those other planets, as well (in the manner of Aslan in Narnia)? Does “only begotten” mean “only physical representation”? Or is it more limited, referring only to the human species? WE DON'T KNOW!! Another topic of discussion concerning the existence of aliens and Christianity is what it means to be made in the “image of God.” Since God has no physical body, we take this to mean a reflection of God's non-physical aspects—rationality, morality, and sociability. Would aliens, if they exist, embody the same characteristics? WHY NOT? Considering what we know about space and life and the world as the Bible portrays it, we already have an explanation for so-called alien activity on Earth. Reports of “close encounters” describe the ethereal, transient, deceptive, and malevolent. Accounts also record that encounters with supposed aliens can be stopped by a real, authentic call to Jesus. Everything points to the activity of demons, not extraterrestrials. In fact, it is plausible that the “powerful delusion” spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 will involve an alien-abduction theory to explain away the rapture. I actually don't think most UFO reports - reported by seasoned Navy and Air-Force pilots, for instance, really has much in common with demonic episodes we see in Scripture. The “discovery” of alien life would have no effect on genuine Christianity. COMPLETELY AGREE The Bible stands as written, no matter what secular theories are advanced or discoveries are claimed. The Bible says the earth and mankind are unique in God's creation. God created the earth even before He created the sun, moon, or stars (Genesis 1). Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and He called the darkness “night.” Evening came and then morning: the first day. (It actually seems to say that God created the Heavens first...then the earth.) Matt Slick/CARM: The Bible does not mention extraterrestrial or alien life. However, it does mention angels and demonic forces which are, in a sense, not of this world. This is not the kind of alien, extraterrestrial life that most people are talking about when the subject comes up. Nevertheless, the Bible makes no mention whatsoever of aliens from other planets who might be visiting us. Now, Slick goes on from here to argue against alien life being likely, because he believes that the Bible declares all creation on all worlds fallen by what Adam did. That is certainly one way of reading the text, but I don't think that is the necessary way of reading the text. Paul could be speaking of all of creation on the earth. For instance, in Colossians 1:23, Paul writes: This gospel has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and I, Paul, have become a servant of it.What does this mean- that the Gospel has been proclaimed on Pluto? I don't think so. I believe Paul meant that the Gospel had been proclaimed in all of KNOWN creation. Michael Houdmann: Above all, let me say, I do not believe aliens exist. Let's also differentiate between sentient aliens and non-sentient aliens. While I would not necessarily have a theological problem with the concept of non-sentient beings (fish, birds, dogs, etc.) existing on other planets, I do have a huge theological problem with the concept of other sentient beings existing elsewhere. It just does not mesh with the teachings of the Bible. The Bible presents humanity as uniquely created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26). Angels are not created in the image of God. Animals are not created in the image of God. According to the Bible, we are unique, specifically created to have a personal relationship and connection with God the Creator. Intelligent/sentient life in other parts of the universe destroys, or at least weakens, this uniqueness. And it raises all kinds of questions. When did God create the aliens? Do the sentient aliens have an eternal soul? Did they fall into sin? Did God reveal Himself to them? Does their understanding of God match what the Bible says? Did God provide them with an alien Bible? Did God provide for and offer them redemption and salvation? If so, how? Did Jesus die for them too?Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.” Notice how it doesn't say Let us make man - and man alone in all of the universe - in our Image. Houdmann goes on to say: All joking aside, if God intended for humankind to meet alien life, He would have outlined these encounters in the Bible, along with an answer to what He has done for them regarding sin.I just don't agree with that speculation. I like Houdmann and Got questions a ton, and find them very faithful to the Bible, but this is speculation that I find unbacked by biblical truth. HOW do we know that God would do this? How can we prove such a thing? I just don't think we can. I feel like such speculations are very similar to Lactantius' (an early church father in the 200s) scoffing at the possibility that the earth was round. He could NOT cite a Scripture to prove the earth was flat - as he thought - but he assumed that Scripture taught such a thing, WHEN IT DOES NOT. Similarly, Augustine poo-pood the existence of Antipodes on the other side of the world, thinking that Scripture backed that belief up, but it doesn't, and Augustine was wrong. GIVE ME CLEAR SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS LIFE ON EARTH IS UNIQUE and I will believe it against all charges...but such a Scripture does NOT exist. TBR Baptist Facebook Group: Jim I thought this was a serious group Well - He's new. Also, I genuinely think this is a serious topic! Wes Apparently, some were aliens at one point Ephesians 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God Similarly Doug Hibbard 1 Peter suggests that *you* are the aliens Jim Spiritual Wickedness in heavenly places, Rulers and authorities. Demons dressed up like them. Jacob I think the possibility of aliens falls apart when discussing the fall. As best as we can tell the whole universe is subject to the natural effects of the curse. If that is true, then another rational species, which did not fall, is out there subjected to the consequences of it. Do these aliens have their own Salvation history? Did they, somehow, simultaneously fall alongside Adam, and have their own Jesus? If, in keeping with Scripture, the crucifixion of Christ is a one time event, then another race would be subject to a punishment that they do not deserve with no possible hope for salvation. Pro Brandon Ambrosino on BBC.Com http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161215-if-we-made-contact-with-aliens-how-would-religions-react : But how could a believer reconcile this with their faith that humans are the crowning achievement of God's creation?. How could humans believe they were the apple of their creator's eye if their planet was just one of billions? The discovery of intelligent aliens could have a similar Copernican effect on human's self-understanding. Would the discovery make believers feel insignificant, and as a consequence, cause people to question their faith? According to the Talmud, God spends his night flying throughout 18,000 worlds I would argue that this concern is misguided. The claim that God is involved with and moved by humans has never required an Earth-centric theology. The Psalms, sacred to both Jews and Christians, claim that God has given names to all the stars. Billy Graham as a notable exception, as he was vocal about his beliefs that "there are intelligent beings like us far away in space who worship God." J. Warner Wallace: What impact does this question (and even more importantly, the answer to this question) have on the claims of Christianity and the truth of the Christian worldview? Jeff Zweerink, astrophysicist and Christian: Many people seem to think that discovering life on another planet would mean that naturalism is correct and Christianity is wrong. One thing I found fascinating is that for centuries Christians have thought about the implications of intelligent life in the universe. As I investigated the truth claims of Christianity, I realized that the existence of life of any sort beyond the confines of Earth is a great theological question—without a definitive answer. At this time, I am convinced that any hypothetical discovery of life in the universe will still point to God's creative work and ultimately help us understand God's revelation better. I'm with Jeff here. Some people do indeed seem to think that finding life on other planets would prove the Bible - or Christianity wrong somehow. To that, I saw - How and Why would such a thing disprove God or the Bible? If God made life on planet Earth - and He did - then why couldn't He make it elsewhere? To those Christians who seem to think that God would only make life on earth - I say, again, why would He do that? Why would He create billions of planets - most outside of our ability to see or observe...and leave them devoid of any inhabitants? In absence of Scripture, or absolute proof of alien life, conjecture proves nothing, but that cuts both ways. Merely speculating that God would not create life on other planets does not prove that it is so. The question we are grappling with today is this one: Does the Bible rule out alien life, and the answer - the CLEAR answer...is NO! It does not. William Lane Craig, 2008 episode of Reasonable Faith: Dr. Craig: Yeah. Well, I think that it's possible. [that there is alien life] One would argue that if there is life on other planets it would have had to be created by God because on a naturalistic basis I think we'd say that the evidence against there being intelligent extraterrestrial life anywhere in the observable universe is extremely great. The probabilities on naturalism that there is extraterrestrial intelligent life is virtually nil. So actually being a theist would be the best grounds for thinking that it could be possible because as a theist you think God created life here on this planet so then you could say, well, maybe God created life as well on some other planet somewhere in the universe. It is really the theist who is, I think, a lot more open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life than the non-theist…. Kevin Harris: This brings up the issue of UFOs and aliens invading earth and all the things that are in pop culture to this day – flying saucer phenomena and things like that. Well, the Vatican astronomer has just said it could be. You can make up your own mind about that. It seems, Dr. Craig, that the Bible is largely silent about this issue. Dr. Craig: I think it is silent, Kevin. The Scriptures are given to human beings as God's revelation to people on this planet. Therefore, there is no reason to think that there could not be persons that God has created in some unknown galaxy that we have no idea about, and he has provided a revelation of himself to them as well. I think it would be presumptuous to say that we know that he hasn't done that. Kevin Harris: He says that the possibility of extraterrestrial life does not contradict our faith. In other words, if a flying saucer landed on the White House lawn today, nobody could stand up and say Christianity is false. Dr. Craig: That is right. That seems to me to be correct. I am puzzled by folks who seem to think that if intelligent life were discovered somewhere else or that if it were to come here that somehow this would be a disproof of Christianity. That seems to me to be a complete non sequitur. It doesn't follow because Christianity simply doesn't speak to the question of whether or not God has created life elsewhere in the universe. If somebody tells you that there could be no aliens from a Bible/Christian perspective, ask them to show you clear backing for such a thing from Scripture. If you believe that, then please, please, please send me your Scriptural reasons for such a belief. Just Be sure you aren't making VAST leaps in logic. For example, the Bible clearly says Jesus died for our sins, if there are aliens, then how would God redeem them? That's a great question, and I don't know the answer, but it certainly doesn't prove that there are no aliens. Perhaps our hypothetical aliens did not fall, like Adam and Eve did. Perhaps they are indeed redeemed by Christ's sacrifice in a way that we don't understand. Who Knows?! But I do know that I can find no Scripture that clearly denies the possibility of alien life, or that clearly affirms the existence of alien life. I can also find no Scripture, the implications of which would logically rule out either outcome. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord from the heavens; praise him in the heights above. Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his heavenly hosts. Praise him, sun and moon; praise him, all you shining stars. Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies. Let them praise the name of the Lord, for at his command they were created. (Ps. 148:1–5) Are there aliens? I've no idea. I think the wisest and best and most biblical answer is either “Maybe” or “I don't know.” To assert otherwise is borderline irresponsible. BUT - if there ARE aliens, does this pose a threat to Scripture? Absolutely not. You can't contradict what isn't there. In 1928, Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin, the first true antibiotic. Did this MASSIVELY IMPORTANT DISCOVERY contradict the Bible? Of course not - because the Bible never discussed nor addressed such a thing. Similarly, the discovery of alien life - if it happens at all - will not at all shake any Scriptural truth in the Bible - NOT A ONE. Will it shake our lives? Maybe so. But, you can't find aliens in the Scripture. Not clearly. Likewise, you can't find the United States in Scripture either, and that ‘omission' seems to rightly bother no one. It is not incumbent upon God to reveal to man all important future events in His Word. Ultimately, I stand with Spurgeon, and actually stood with Spurgeon before I knew his position on this question. It took a lot of research to find this quote, but here you go: What God has done in the eternity which we call the past (but which to him is as the present), we do not fully know. We have no reason to believe that we know much of what God has done. There may be as many other worlds and sorts of beings existent as there are sands upon the sea shore, for aught we know; and the Lord may have been occupied in ages past with ten thousand glorious plans, and economies, as yet unrevealed to man. We cannot tell what he doeth, or what he hath done. We are creatures of a day, and know nothing; we are like insects that are born on a leaf, and die amid our fellows at the setting of the sun, but he lives on for ever. We talk of the “eternal hills,” but they are babes that were born yesterday, as far as he is concerned. “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting thou art God.” We say, “Roll on, thou ancient ocean!” but the ocean is not ancient; it is a drop that fell yesterday from the tip of the Creator's finger. C. H. Spurgeon, “The Eternal Truth of God,” in The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, vol. 21 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1875), 651. Spurgeon: To us, to-day, the coming of Christ to seek and to save the lost is an accomplished fact, a matter of history, most sure and certain. And what a fact it is! You have often thought of it, but have you ever worked your mind into the very heart of it,—that God has actually visited this world in human form,—that he before whom angels bow has actually been here, in fashion like ourselves, feeding the hungry crowds of Palestine, healing their sick, and raising their dead? I know not what may be the peculiar boast of other planets, but this poor star cannot be excelled, for on this world the Creator has stood. This earth has been trodden by the feet of God, and yet it was not crushed beneath the mighty burden, because he deigned to link his Deity with our humanity. The incarnation is a wonder of wonders, but it does not belong to the realm of imagination, or even of expectation, for it has actually been beheld by mortal eyes. C. H. Spurgeon, “Christ the Seeker and Saviour of the Lost,” in The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, vol. 58 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1912), 314. SKIP. INCLUDE IN BOOK. There are also triple stars, or systems, and quadruple systems, and there are, in some cases, hundreds or thousands all spinning round one another, and around their central luminaries. Wonderful combinations of glory and beauty may be seen in the stellar sky; and some of these stars are red, some blue, some yellow, all the colours of the rainbow are represented in them. It would be very wonderful to live in one of them, and to look across the sky, and see all the glories of the heavens that God has made. On the whole, however, for the present, I am quite content to abide upon this little planet, especially as I am not able to change it for another home, until God so wills it. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 177. CLOSE WITH EXTENDED READING OF LEWIS' ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION: From Christian Reflections: an essay Called, “The Seeing Eye” Some people are troubled, and others are delighted, at the idea of finding not one, but perhaps innumerable rational species scattered about the universe. In both cases the emotion arises from a belief that such discoveries would be fatal to Christian theology. For it will be said that theology connects the Incarnation of God with the Fall and Redemption of man. And this would seem to attribute to our species and to our little planet a central position in cosmic history which is not credible if rationally inhabited planets are to be had by the million. Older readers will, with me, notice the vast change in astronomical speculation which this view involves. When we were boys all astronomers, so far as I know, impressed upon us the antecedent improbabilities of life in any part of the universe whatever. It was not thought unlikely that this earth was the solitary exception to a universal reign of the inorganic. Now Professor Hoyle, and many with him, say that in so vast a universe life must have occurred in times and places without number. The interesting thing is that I have heard both these estimates used as arguments against Christianity. Now it seems to me that we must find out more than we can at present know—which is nothing—about hypothetical rational species before we can say what theological corollaries or difficulties their discovery would raise. We might, for example, find a race which was, like us, rational but, unlike us, innocent—no wars nor any other wickedness among them; all peace and good fellowship. I don't think any Christian would be puzzled to find that they knew no story of an Incarnation or Redemption, and might even find our story hard to understand or accept if we told it to them. There would have been no Redemption in such a world because it would not have needed redeeming. ‘They that are whole need not the physician.' The sheep that has never strayed need not be sought for. We should have much to learn from such people and nothing to teach them. If we were wise, we should fall at their feet. But probably we should be unable to ‘take it'. We'd find some reason for exterminating them. Again, we might find a race which, like ours, contained both good and bad. And we might find that for them, as for us, something had been done: that at some point in their history some great interference for the better, believed by some of them to be supernatural, had been recorded, and that its effects, though often impeded and perverted, were still alive among them. It need not, as far as I can see, have conformed to the pattern of Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection. God may have other ways—how should I be able to imagine them?—of redeeming a lost world. And Redemption in that alien mode might not be easily recognizable by our missionaries, let alone by our atheists. We might meet a species which, like us, needed Redemption but had not been given it. But would this fundamentally be more of a difficulty than any Christian's first meeting with a new tribe of savages? It would be our duty to preach the Gospel to them. For if they are rational, capable both of sin and repentance, they are our brethren, whatever they look like. Would this spreading of the Gospel from earth, through man, imply a pre-eminence for earth and man? Not in any real sense. If a thing is to begin at all, it must begin at some particular time and place; and any time and place raises the question: ‘Why just then and just there?' One can conceive an extraterrestrial development of Christianity so brilliant that earth's place in the story might sink to that of a prologue. Finally, we might find a race which was strictly diabolical—no tiniest spark felt in them from which any goodness could ever be coaxed into the feeblest glow; all of them incurably perverted through and through. What then? We Christians had always been told that there were creatures like that in existence. True, we thought they were all incorporeal spirits. A minor readjustment thus becomes necessary. But all this is in the realm of fantastic speculation. We are trying to cross a bridge, not only before we come to it, but even before we know there is a river that needs bridging. C. S. Lewis, Christian Reflections, ed. Walter Hooper, EPub Edition. (HarperOne, 2014), 174–176. Religion and Rocketry - 1958 RELIGION AND ROCKETRY In my time I have heard two quite different arguments against my religion put forward in the name of science. When I was a youngster, people used to say that the universe was not only not friendly to life but positively hostile to it. Life had appeared on this planet by a millionth chance, as if at one point there had been a breakdown of the elaborate defences generally enforced against it. We should be rash to assume that such a leak had occurred more than once. Probably life was a purely terrestrial abnormality. We were alone in an infinite desert. Which just showed the absurdity of the Christian idea that there was a Creator who was interested in living creatures. But then came Professor F. B. Hoyle, the Cambridge cosmologist, and in a fortnight or so everyone I met seemed to have decided that the universe was probably quite well provided with inhabitable globes and with livestock to inhabit them. Which just showed (equally well) the absurdity of Christianity with its parochial idea that Man could be important to God. This is a warning of what we may expect if we ever do discover animal life (vegetable does not matter) on another planet. Each new discovery, even every new theory, is held at first to have the most wide-reaching theological and philosophical consequences. It is seized by unbelievers as the basis for a new attack on Christianity; it is often, and more embarrassingly, seized by injudicious believers as the basis for a new defence. But usually, when the popular hubbub has subsided and the novelty has been chewed over by real theologians, real scientists, and real philosophers, both sides find themselves pretty much where they were before. So it was with Copernican astronomy, with Darwinism, with Biblical Criticism, with the new psychology. So, I cannot help expecting, it will be with the discovery of ‘life on other planets'—if that discovery is ever made. The supposed threat is clearly directed against the doctrine of the Incarnation, the belief that God born of God ‘for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was . . . made man'. Why for us men more than for others? If we find ourselves to be but one among a million races, scattered through a million spheres, how can we, without absurd arrogance, believe ourselves to have been uniquely favoured? I admit that the question could become formidable. In fact, it will become formidable when, if ever, we know the answer to five other questions. 1. Are there animals anywhere except on earth? We do not know. We do not know whether we ever shall know. 2. Supposing there were, have any of these animals what we call ‘rational souls'? By this I include not merely the faculty to abstract and calculate, but the apprehension of values, the power to mean by ‘good 'something more than ‘good for me' or even ‘good for my species'. If instead of asking, ‘Have they rational souls?' you prefer to ask, ‘Are they spiritual animals?' I think we shall both mean pretty much the same. If the answer to either question should be No, then of course it would not be at all strange that our species should be treated differently from theirs. There would be no sense in offering to a creature, however clever or amiable, a gift which that creature was by its nature incapable either of desiring or of receiving. We teach our sons to read but not our dogs. The dogs prefer bones. And of course, since we do not yet know whether there are extra-terrestrial animals at all, we are a long way from knowing that they are rational (or ‘spiritual'). Even if we met them we might not find it so easy to decide. It seems to me possible to suppose creatures so clever that they could talk, though they were, from the theological point of view, really only animals, capable of pursuing or enjoying only natural ends. One meets humans—the machine-minded and materialistic urban type—who look as if they were just that. As Christians we must believe the appearance to be false; somewhere under that glib surface there lurks, however atrophied, a human soul. But in other worlds there might be things that really are what these seem to be. Conversely, there might be creatures genuinely spiritual, whose powers of manufacture and abstract thought were so humble that we should mistake them for mere animals. God shield them from us! 3. If there are species, and rational species, other than man, are any or all of them, like us, fallen? This is the point non-Christians always seem to forget. They seem to think that the Incarnation implies some particular merit or excellence in humanity. But of course it implies just the reverse: a particular demerit and depravity. No creature that deserved Redemption would need to be redeemed. They that are whole need not the physician.Christ died for men precisely because men are not worth dying for; to make them worth it. Notice what waves of utterly unwarranted hypothesis these critics of Christianity want us to swim through. We are now supposing the fall of hypothetically rational creatures whose mere existence is hypothetical! 4. If all of them (and surely all is a long shot) or any of them have fallen have they been denied Redemption by the Incarnation and Passion of Christ? For of course it is no very new idea that the eternal Son may, for all we know, have been incarnate in other worlds than earth and so saved other races than ours. As Alice Meynell wrote in ‘Christ in the Universe': I wouldn't go as far as ‘doubtless' myself. Perhaps of all races we only fell. Perhaps Man is the only lost sheep; the one, therefore, whom the Shepherd came to seek. Or perhaps—but this brings us to the next wave of assumption. It is the biggest yet and will knock us head over heels, but I am fond of a tumble in the surf. 5. If we knew (which we don't) the answers to 1, 2, and 3—and, further, if we knew that Redemption by an Incarnation and Passion had been denied to creatures in need of it—is it certain that this is the only mode of Redemption that is possible? Here of course we ask for what is not merely unknown but, unless God should reveal it, wholly unknowable. It may be that the further we were permitted to see into His councils, the more clearly we should understand that thus and not otherwise—by the birth at Bethlehem, the cross on Calvary and the empty tomb—a fallen race could be rescued. There may be a necessity for this, insurmountable, rooted in the very nature of God and the very nature of sin. But we don't know. At any rate, I don't know. Spiritual as well as physical conditions might differ widely in different worlds. There might be different sorts and different degrees of fallenness. We must surely believe that the divine charity is as fertile in resource as it is measureless in condescension. To different diseases, or even to different patients sick with the same disease, the great Physician may have applied different remedies; remedies which we should probably not recognise as such even if we ever heard of them. It might turn out that the redemption of other species differed from ours by working through ours. There is a hint of something like this in St Paul (Romans 8:19–23) when he says that the whole creation is longing and waiting to be delivered from some kind of slavery, and that the deliverance will occur only when we, we Christians, fully enter upon our sonship to God and exercise our ‘glorious liberty'. On the conscious level I believe that he was thinking only of our own Earth: of animal, and probably vegetable, life on Earth being ‘renewed' or glorified at the glorification of man in Christ. But it is perhaps possible—it is not necessary—to give his words a cosmic meaning. It may be that Redemption, starting with us, is to work from us and through us. This would no doubt give man a pivotal position. But such a position need not imply any superiority in us or any favouritism in God. The general, deciding where to begin his attack, does not select the prettiest landscape or the most fertile field or the most attractive village. Christ was not born in a stable because a stable is, in itself, the most convenient or distinguished place for a maternity. Only if we had some such function would a contact between us and such unknown races be other than a calamity. If indeed we were unfallen, it would be another matter. It sets one dreaming—to interchange thoughts with beings whose thinking had an organic background wholly different from ours (other senses, other appetites), to be unenviously humbled by intellects possibly superior to our own yet able for that very reason to descend to our level, to descend lovingly ourselves if we met innocent and childlike creatures who could never be as strong or as clever as we, to exchange with the inhabitants of other worlds that especially keen and rich affection which exists between unlikes; it is a glorious dream. But make no mistake. It is a dream. We are fallen. We know what our race does to strangers. Man destroys or enslaves every species he can. Civilised man murders, enslaves, cheats, and corrupts savage man. Even inanimate nature he turns into dust bowls and slag-heaps. There are individuals who don't. But they are not the sort who are likely to be our pioneers in space. Our ambassador to new worlds will be the needy and greedy adventurer or the ruthless technical expert. They will do as their kind has always done. What that will be if they meet things weaker than themselves, the black man and the red man can tell. If they meet things stronger, they will be, very properly, destroyed. It is interesting to wonder how things would go if they met an unfallen race. At first, to be sure, they'd have a grand time jeering at, duping, and exploiting its innocence; but I doubt if our half-animal cunning would long be a match for godlike wisdom, selfless valour, and perfect unanimity. I therefore fear the practical, not the theoretical, problems which will arise if ever we meet rational creatures which are not human. Against them we shall, if we can, commit all the crimes we have already committed against creatures certainly human but differing from us in features and pigmentation; and the starry heavens will become an object to which good men can look up only with feelings of intolerable guilt, agonized pity, and burning shame. Of course after the first debauch of exploitation we shall make some belated attempt to do better. We shall perhaps send missionaries. But can even missionaries be trusted? ‘Gun and gospel' have been horribly combined in the past. The missionary's holy desire to save souls has not always been kept quite distinct from the arrogant desire, the busybody's itch, to (as he calls it) ‘civilise' the (as he calls them) ‘natives'. Would all our missionaries recognise an unfallen race if they met it? Could they? Would they continue to press upon creatures that did not need to be saved that plan of Salvation which God has appointed for Man? Would they denounce as sins mere differences of behaviour which the spiritual and biological history of these strange creatures fully justified and which God Himself had blessed? Would they try to teach those from whom they had better learn? I do not know. What I do know is that here and now, as our only possible practical preparation for such a meeting, you and I should resolve to stand firm against all exploitation and all theological imperialism. It will not be fun. We shall be called traitors to our own species. We shall be hated of almost all men; even of some religious men. And we must not give back one single inch. We shall probably fail, but let us go down fighting for the right side. Our loyalty is due not to our species but to God. Those who are, or can become, His sons, are our real brothers even if they have shells or tusks. It is spiritual, not biological, kinship that counts. But let us thank God that we are still very far from travel to other worlds. I have wondered before now whether the vast astronomical distances may not be God's quarantine precautions. They prevent the spiritual infection of a fallen species from spreading. And of course we are also very far from the supposed theological problem which contact with other rational species might raise. Such species may not exist. There is not at present a shred of empirical evidence that they do. There is nothing but what thelogicians would call arguments from ‘a priori probability'—arguments that begin ‘It is only natural to suppose', or ‘All analogy suggests', or ‘Is it not the height of arrogance to rule out—?' They make very good reading. But who except a born gambler ever risks five dollars on such grounds in ordinary life? And, as we have seen, the mere existence of these creatures would not raise a problem. After that, we still need to know that they are fallen; then, that they have not been, or will not be, redeemed in the mode we know; and then, that no other mode is possible. I think a Christian is sitting pretty if his faith never encounters more formidable difficulties than these conjectural phantoms. If I remember rightly, St Augustine raised a question about the theological position of satyrs, monopods, and other semi-human creatures. He decided it could wait till we knew there were any. So can this. ‘But supposing,' you say. ‘Supposing all these embarrassing suppositions turned out to be true?' I can only record a conviction that they won't; a conviction which has for me become in the course of years irresistible.Christians and their opponents again and again expect that some new discovery will either turn matters of faith into matters of knowledge or else reduce them to patent absurdities. But it has never happened. What we believe always remains intellectually possible; it never becomes intellectually compulsive. I have an idea that when this ceases to be so, the world will be ending. We have been warned that all but conclusive evidence against Christianity, evidence that would deceive (if it were possible) the very elect, will appear with Antichrist. And after that there will be wholly conclusive evidence on the other side. But not, I fancy, till then on either side. SPURGEON: I suppose you are all aware that among the old systems of astronomy was one which placed the earth in the centre, and made the sun, and the moon, and the stars revolve around it. “Its three fundamental principles were the immobility of the earth, its central position, and the daily revolution of all the heavenly bodies around it in circular orbits.” Now, in a similar fashion, there is a way of making a system of theology of which man is the centre, by which it is implied that Christ and his atoning sacrifice are only made for man's sake, and that the Holy Spirit is merely a great Worker on man's behalf, and that even the great and glorious Father is to be viewed simply as existing for the sake of making man happy. Well, that may be the system of theology adopted by some; but, brethren, we must not fall into that error, for, just as the earth is not the centre of the universe, so man is not the grandest of all beings. God has been pleased highly to exalt man; but we must remember how the psalmist speaks of him: “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of him; and the son of man, that thou visitest him?” In another place, David says, “Lord, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him! Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.” Man cannot be the centre of the theological universe, he is altogether too insignificant a being to occupy such a position, and the scheme of redemption must exist for some other end than that of merely making man happy, or even of making him holy. The salvation of man must surely be first of all for the glory of God; and you have discovered the right form of Christian doctrine when you have found the system that has God in the centre, ruling and controlling according to the good pleasure of his will. Do not dwarf man so as to make it appear that God has no care for him; for if you do that, you slander God. Give to man the position that God has assigned to him; by doing so, you will have a system of theology in which all the truths of revelation and experience will move in glorious order and harmony around the great central orb, the Divine Sovereign Ruler of the universe, God over all, blessed for ever. C. H. Spurgeon, Lectures to My Students: The Art of Illustration; Addresses Delivered to the Students of the Pastors' College, Metropolitan Tabernacle, vol. 3 (London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1905), 149.
Welcome Weirdos and Floridians alike! This is our very first official CROSSOVER EPISODE! We had the pleasure of joining the boys of one of our favorite podcasts Florida Men on Florida Man in their Studio in sunny Florida last week via Skype to chat about some recent crazy "Florida Man" headlines, answer listener questions, play a game that was definitely not rigged, and discuss the totally weird tale of the Betz Mystery Sphere! In March of 1974, a Florida family stumbled upon a strange metal artifact after a brush fire on their property that, after a couple weeks, started to move on it's own... Please make sure you check out Florida Men on Florida Man, we've enjoyed every single episode of their hilarious pod and we know you will, too! Follow them on Instagram & Twitter @fmofmpodcast and of course follow us as well @keepitweirdcast
Greg, Wayne, Josh, and Cameron sit down with Lauren and Ashley from the Keep it Weird podcast to discuss iguana hunting, fake cops, listener questions and Florida's mysterious Betz sphere.
We're going back to Florida nerds, and it's gonna get dicey again. Don't say we didn't warn you. It's 1974, and while exploring their 88-acre property, the Betz family found an 8 inch wide, 22-pound shiny steel sphere, with no marking except for an isosceles triangle stamped in the side. But things get stranger from there. The sphere began to move, of its own accord. It hummed. It played organ music. It jumped like a Mexican jumping bean. The Navy gets involved. The government gets involved. The whole world's newspapers got involved. So we're gonna dive in deep and talk about what in the bork is going on here. Strap in folks. It's The What If? Podcast. Send us an email: hi@whatifpodcast.com Leave us a voicemail: 612-246-4614 Get a shout out on the show, for just $50! We'll say just about anything one time, under 200 words! Join our Patreon for just $5 a month and get an extra episode every week, plus a back catalog of more than 60 episodes. Hit up our shop for What If? hats, t-shirts, hoodies, posters, and more.
A Well Rounded Roll Through of the Cuious Case of the Betz Sphere
In this episode, we seek out the secrets of the Betz sphere and speculate about whatever became of it and the family, I also rant and hop on my soapbox as usual so enjoy that, this episode is a little late but I hope you will enjoy none the less Thank you for listening I would love to hear from you all. Follow me on Twitter- @AussieOddball Facebook- Oz Oddball Email me at - theoddballaussie@hotmail.com
In this episode, Krista and Kurt discuss the strange story of The Betz Sphere. The story of the sphere involves a family that makes a mysterious find, the military, scientists, and one of history's most famous UFO experts. And due to the awesome work of the “Astonishing Legends” podcast, there …
In this episode, Krista and Kurt discuss the strange story of The Betz Sphere. The story of the sphere involves a family that makes a mysterious find, the military, scientists, and one of history’s most famous UFO experts. And due to the awesome work of the “Astonishing Legends” podcast, there …
As we close this final chapter on the story of the Betz Sphere, we've all been given a rare and exclusive glimpse into what happens when an impossible object becomes known to the world. We've seen what can happen to a regular family that only sought to find answers about its purpose. We've seen how authorities and officials behave when they too are mystified about an item that most are satisfied to dismiss as discarded industrial junk; their public stance hiding personal and professional curiosity. We've seen how the news media tries to answer the questions we all have but falls short, leaving the real story untold and yet retold again and again with incorrect or incomplete information because that's all the public is allowed. Most importantly, we've all now seen inside this mystery but are once again reminded that when it comes to High Strangeness, the answers we receive we may not understand. In the end, what we can safely conclude is that the Betz Sphere may or may not have come from an alien world, but it was evidently created in a secret place the populace is not allowed to know. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/02/09/ep-133-the-betz-sphere-part-4
This is the new, weekly depository for the King Kayfabers, Ed Piskor and Jim Rugg, to give some insights into the channel's development, some updated status on their current comic book projects, and to share the latest comics, movies, podcasts, etc that keep the boys inspired to sit still and draw all day. Project status As of this upload Ed has about 27 pages of X-Men: Grand Design left to draw. Jim has about 70 pages of Plain Janes comics on his to-do list. This episodes links *Aaron Sorkin Masterclass: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/aaron-sorkin-teaches-screenwriting * David Mamet Masterclass: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/david-mamet-teaches-dramatic-writing * David Mamet on WTF podcast: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-898-david-mamet *Stephen King On Writing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Writing:_A_Memoir_of_the_Craft *Alan Moore Guide to Writing Comics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore%27s_Writing_for_Comics *Conan O' Brien Needs A Friend Podcast: https://www.earwolf.com/show/conan-obrien/ * The Betz Sphere part 1, Astonishing Legends Podcast: https://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/13/ep-130-the-betz-sphere-part-1 * Miyazaki documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI9WmgqWWU Connect with us: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cartoonist.kayfabe/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/CartoonKayfabe Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Cartoonist.Kayfabe Ed's Contact info: https://www.instagram.com/ed_piskor https://www.twitter.com/edpiskor https://www.amazon.com/Ed-Piskor/e/B00LDURW7A/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1 Jim's contact info: https://www.instagram.com/jimruggart https://www.twitter.com/jimruggart https://www.amazon.com/Jim-Rugg/e/B0034Q8PH2/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1543440388&sr=1-2-ent https://shop.spreadshirt.com/jimruggart
For something that many would claim was just a misplaced piece of industrial equipment, the Betz Sphere attracted a lot of serious attention, some official, some dubious and some a bit of both. Despite the initial vague or dismissive statements from the US Navy and noted scientists such as Dr. J. Allen Hynek that were reported by the news media, they were determined to continue seeking answers from it. The interest didn't stop with our government either, as mysterious foreign agents had shown up and expressed a keen interest in obtaining the orb. Subterfuge, manipulation both social and scientific, a disproportionate offer of a large sum of money, and even a possibly related assault all seem like a lot of effort to obtain an old discarded valve ball. Never before seen photos of the sphere posted with this episode on all of our social media. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/27/ep-131-the-betz-sphere-part-3
With every paranormal event or object, there are the questions of how did this happen or what was this thing? But the equally important issue is, how would this affect me? Because when something seemingly impossible happens, we have no context unless it had interaction with somebody. It becomes meaningful when we ponder the implications to our own human experience. As much as the Betz Sphere created a scientific mystery it also created a family story. Tonight, we're fortunate to present an exclusive interview with a member of the Betz family who was there to witness the entire ordeal and who has generously agreed to share their family story and set the record straight. Someone or something secretive created this sphere and while its operation and purpose remain unknown to the public, how it became known to the world and how that affected their lives is their story alone. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/20/ep-131-the-betz-sphere-part-2
Sometimes people come into our lives that change everything. Sometimes that change can come from an object. In March of 1974, the Betz family of Fort George Island, Florida found such an object, while investigating their property for wildfire damage. It appeared to be a shiny steel ball, measuring 7.96 inches in diameter and weighing 21.34 pounds. Being a simple, yet so out-of-place item in the middle of nowhere, it caught the attention of the eldest Betz son Terry, who took it home as a souvenir. The family, and eventually the rest of the world, would soon learn that this was no ordinary metal ball. The sphere would demonstrate highly unusual properties, like rolling that would indicate self-guidance, vibrating and emitting high-pitched frequencies, and a strange magnetic quality. These actions would be witnessed not only by the family but by the military, scientists and news media, all eager to determine who made this thing and why. While most authorities would go on record as believing the sphere was human-made, all would admit that it was no doubt weird, and no group could come forward to claim it was positively theirs. In the end, it would not be the sphere so much that would change the lives of the Betz family, but the people who were interested in it. As one might expect, if you possess an item that breaks the laws of physics, some organizations will go to great lengths to acquire it. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode: http://www.astonishinglegends.com/al-podcasts/2019/01/13/ep-130-the-betz-sphere-part-1
For the first time in world history, a hitchhiking story involving shovels and a graveyard that doesn't end how you would expect. A shop purports to sell pieces of the Betz Sphere. And then we take a look at the fact, and fiction, of Operation Highjump. Did the US fight UFO Nazis in Antarctica? Help Promote Dead Rabbit Radio! Dual Flyer https://i.imgur.com/OhuoI2v.jpg "As Above" Flyer https://i.imgur.com/yobMtUp.jpg Haunted Collector https://shop.hauntedcollector.net/main.sc Becoming Like God: The Betz Sphere https://shop.hauntedcollector.net/Becoming-Like-God-The-Betz-Sphere-101514031.htm Operation High Jump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Highjump Operation Highjump And The UFO Connection https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/antarctica/antartica11.htm Operation Highjump https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/operation-highjump-18223476/ The Admiral Byrd / Operation Highjump Myth http://drmsh.com/the-admiral-byrd-operation-highjump-myth/ Did US Navy battle UFOs protecting Nazi Antarctic sanctuary in 1947? https://www.exopolitics.org/did-us-navy-battle-ufos-protecting-nazi-antarctic-sanctuary-in-1947/ James Forrestal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal Listen to the daily podcast anywhere you listen to podcasts! ------------------------------------------------ Logo Art By Ash Black "As Above" Art By Grant Scott Opening Song: "Atlantis Attacks" Closing Song: "Bella Royale" Music By Dr. Huxxxtable http://www.DeadRabbit.com Email: DeadRabbitRadio@gmail.com Twitter: @JasonOCarpenter Facebook: www.Facebook.com/DeadRabbitRadio Paranormal, Conspiracy, and True Crime news as it happens! Jason Carpenter breaks the stories they'll be talking about tomorrow, assuming the world doesn't end today. All Contents Of This Podcast Copyright Jason Carpenter 2018
A mysterious mound of the dead are found in the Himalayas. Are you the star of your own reality show? And what is going on with the Betz Sphere? Is it space junk, an alien probe, or something much more dangerous? Help Promote Dead Rabbit Radio! Dual Flyer https://i.imgur.com/OhuoI2v.jpg "As Above" Flyer https://i.imgur.com/yobMtUp.jpg Giant hail killed more than 200 in Himalayas https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1476074/Giant-hail-killed-more-than-200-in-Himalayas.html Truman Show Delusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truman_Show_delusion Look Closely, Doctor: See the Camera? https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/fashion/28truman.html How Kevin Hall Lives with The Truman Show Syndrome (and You Kind of Do, Too) https://slate.com/culture/2018/03/how-kevin-hall-lives-with-the-truman-show-syndrome-audio.html Truman Show Syndrome: Why People Think They're Living In A Reality Show https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/truman-show-delusion-when-youre-convinced-everyones-watching-you The Betz Sphere Mystery https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/the-betz-sphere-mystery/ Whatever happened to the Betz Mystery Sphere? https://intriguedmind.com/whatever-happened-to-the-betz-mystery-sphere/ The Betz Mystery Sphere https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4334 The Betz Mystery Sphere: Alien Artifact or Doomsday Device? https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/04/the-betz-mystery-sphere-alien-artifact-or-doomsday-device/ Fort George Island: Neff House and Betz Sphere https://jaxpsychogeo.com/north/fort-george-island-neff-house-and-betz-sphere/ Listen to the daily podcast anywhere you listen to podcasts! ------------------------------------------------ Logo Art By Ash Black "As Above" Art By Grant Scott Opening Song: "Atlantis Attacks" Closing Song: "Bella Royale" Music By Dr. Huxxxtable http://www.DeadRabbit.com Email: DeadRabbitRadio@gmail.com Twitter: @JasonOCarpenter Facebook: www.Facebook.com/DeadRabbitRadio Paranormal, Conspiracy, and True Crime news as it happens! Jason Carpenter breaks the stories they'll be talking about tomorrow, assuming the world doesn't end today. All Contents Of This Podcast Copyright Jason Carpenter 2018
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On this edition we talk about ancient and mysterious artifacts from around the world. The Betz Sphere, The Nampa Figurine, The Petradox, The Roman Dodecahedras, The Voynich Manuscript and more!
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