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La semaine prochaine, l'ouvrage Zoopolis, co-écrit par Sue Donaldson et Will Kymlicka, sera (enfin) réédité aux éditions Hermann ! Ce livre est un classique de la pensée antispéciste, un tournant majeur dans la recherche et, je pense, dans le mouvement pour les droits des animaux. Il ne se contente pas de dénoncer l'exploitation animale : il ouvre un véritable programme politique et théorique pour construire une société plus juste et inclusive avec les autres animaux. Parce qu'abolir l'exploitation ne suffira pas. C'est une condition minimale, mais ensuite, une foule de questions se posent : comment réparer les torts causés ? Comment vivre ensemble dans une société interespèces ? Comment partager l'espace, distribuer équitablement les ressources, résoudre les conflits d'intérêts qui émergeront inévitablement ? Pour explorer ces enjeux passionnants, je reçois Frédéric Côté-Boudreau, enseignant en philosophie au Québec, chercheur postdoctoral, et auteur d'une thèse sur « L'autonomie inclusive : une théorie de la liberté pour toutes et tous », dirigée par Will Kymlicka (co-auteur de Zoopolis). C'est un entretien que je rêvais d'enregistrer depuis… avant même de lancer ce podcast ! Autant dire que je suis ravi de vous le partager aujourd'hui. J'espère que vous l'écouterez avec attention et que vous n'hésiterez pas à le diffuser largement : ces idées méritent vraiment d'être connues. ________________________________ Deux épisodes à ré-écouter en lien avec les questions soulevées dans celui-ci : - "Spécisme : appelons un chat un chat !" avec Valéry Giroux - "Qui compte moralement ?" avec Nicolas Delon ________________________________ Références et sources citées dans l'entretien : - Zoopolis. Une théorie politique des droits des animaux - Sue Donarldson & Will Kymlicka - "Spécisme. Abolir ne suffira pas" - Axelle Playoust-Braure - Tournant politique en éthique animale (et plus largement dans les études animales) - La libération animale - Peter Singer - Les théories multiculturalistes de la citoyenneté (Kymlicka a participé à développer) - Les théories de la justice - Will Kymlicka - Théorie de la justice - John Rawls (et ses 3 conditions pour être citoyens : avoir une conception de la vie bonne, intégrer les règles sociales / coopérer et participer à l'établissement des règles de la communauté) - Conséquentialisme (Peter Singer) / Déontologisme (Tom Regan, Gary Francione…) - Droits négatifs universel (ne pas…) / droits positifs relationnels (qui découlent de la co-construction d'une société commune) - Position extinctionniste de Gary Francione, à laquelle s'oppose la perspective zoopolitique - Éthiques du care - Mouvement de réduction de la souffrance des animaux sauvages (RWAS) ; à ce sujet voir cette conférence d'Axelle Playoust-Braure - Le champs des études critiques sur le handicap - When animals speak: Toward an Interspecies Democracy - Eva Meijer - Fear of the Animal Planet: The Hidden History of Animal Resistance - Jason Hribal ________________________________ SOUTENIR : https://linktr.ee/poissonpodcast Comme un poisson dans l'eau est un podcast indépendant et sans publicité : votre soutien est indispensable pour qu'il puisse continuer à exister. Merci d'avance ! Les comptes Instagram, Bluesky, Mastodon et Facebook du podcast sont également à retrouver dans le link tree ! ________________________________ CRÉDITS Comme un poisson dans l'eau est un podcast indépendant créé et animé par Victor Duran-Le Peuch. Charte graphique : Ivan Ocaña Générique : Synthwave Vibe par Meydän Musique : Firefly par Jim Yosef
Did you know that the fight for animal rights shares deep parallels with the human rights movement? Both causes emphasize the protection of sentient beings from exploitation, whether it's humans or animals. Legal scholars, like Michael Dorf, argue that the moral and legal frameworks that protect vulnerable humans also apply to non-human animals, challenging societal norms and pushing for greater empathy and justice across species. This connection forms the basis for some of the most progressive legal arguments today, blending compassion with constitutional law. In this episode of the NHA Health Science Podcast, hosted by Dr. Frank Sabatino, attorney Michael Dorf takes center stage. Dorf, a Robert Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell Law School, has authored numerous books and scholarly articles, many of which explore the intersections of constitutional law, human rights, and animal rights. This fascinating discussion highlights Dorf's legal expertise and his journey into the vegan lifestyle, along with insights into the growing movement for animal advocacy. Michael Dorf's Journey to Veganism and Animal Advocacy Michael's journey toward veganism began in 1995 when his family adopted dogs. However, it wasn't until his late wife, Sherry Colb, a colleague of renowned animal rights activist Gary Francione, introduced vegan baked goods to their home that the shift toward a fully vegan lifestyle began. By 2006, Michael had committed to a vegan diet, initially motivated by animal rights. Over time, he embraced the health and environmental benefits of a whole food, plant-based (WFPB) and SOS-free (salt, oil, sugar) diet, underscoring how multiple factors contribute to veganism. Legal Expertise in Animal Rights As an influential legal scholar, Michael Dorf has played a crucial role in shaping discussions on animal rights, frequently participating in landmark cases. He collaborated with Steve Wise, a pioneer in animal law, on the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) and worked on the well-known case of Happy the Elephant. Although the case didn't result in a legal victory, Dorf highlights the importance of these cases in raising awareness and shifting public perceptions about animal rights. Tobacco and Vaping Research: A Legal Perspective Beyond animal rights, Michael has contributed to vital public health research, particularly on the effects of tobacco and vaping warning labels. He discusses the challenge of crafting messages that deter teens from vaping while encouraging smokers to switch to less harmful alternatives. His research has contributed to FDA regulations and highlights the critical role of legal frameworks in promoting public health. Full post at: www.HealthScience.org/104-Michael-Dorf
Could going vegan help feed the world and save the planet? While industry and energy production are often singled out as the main drivers of climate change, the global meat production industry is a bigger polluter. Veganism advocate Gary Francione and nutritionist Dr Ron Weiss join Nuala McGovern to discuss the pros and cons of veganism. While it might make sense from an ethical and climate change perspective, it is a massive cultural leap for many. We ask whether veganism could really be useful in places where food might not be readily available. And answer concerns over whether a non-meat diet can provide adequate nutrition.
After Corinna complains about an obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist Dr. Gary Francione. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you're wrong, Andrea Dworkin, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the principles of a liberal pluralistic society. Can we police fetishes? Who's Afraid of Kathleen Stock? Why are vegans extra crazy? Does Corinna really not want to be a Good Person? What is “harm”? Despite Corinna disparaging young people going vegan, and Nina swearing a lot about Crohn's disease, Dr. Francione offers a banquet of (plant-based) food for thought. Links Gary Francione's website: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ Gary Francione's essay on the Trans Rights Issue: https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-trans-rights-issue-equality-claims-and-belief-claims/ Julie Bindel: The Unforgivable Transing of Andrea Dworkin https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-unforgivable-transing-of-andrea Why Veganism Matters: The Moral Value of Animals by Gary Francione https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-veganism-matters/9780231199612 Nina's Gender Wars playing cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/ How Do I Go Vegan https://www.howdoigovegan.com/ Nina and Corinna will be guests at the Unspeakeasy retreat in Louisville, KY April 9-10! It's for women only, even though Corinna isn't one! Sign up and ask what organizer/host Meghan Daum was thinking: https://www.theunspeakeasy.com/2024-unspeakeasy-retreats --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support
Claudia talks to lawyer and philosopher Gary Francione about abolition. Gary provides an overview of how ideas related to animals have emerged and changed since the 19th century. This includes the emergence of animal welfare, animal rights, and abolitionism. Throughout the interview Gary asserts that animal welfare and animal rights will not achieve anything until there is a paradigm shift whereby animals are no longer understood as property, food, or things to use. Date Recorded: 5 October 2023. Gary Francione is a is a published author and frequent guest on radio and television shows for his theory of animal rights, criticism of animal welfare law and the property status of nonhuman animals. He has degrees in philosophy and clerked for U.S. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. He is the author of numerous books and articles on animal rights theory and animals and the law. His most recent book is the 2020 publication Why Veganism matters: The Moral Value of Animalsand other titles include The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation? (Columbia University Press, 2010) and Animals, Property, and the Law (Temple University Press, 1995). He is also the editor of Critical Perspectives on Animals: Theory, Culture, Science and Law, a series published by Columbia University Press. Gary has been teaching animal rights for more than 25 years and, together with Professor Ana Charlton, started and operated the Rutgers Animal Rights Law Clinic from 1990-2000, making Rutgers the first university in the U.S. to have animal rights law as part of the regular academic curriculum and to award students academic credit, not only for classroom work, but also for work on actual cases involving animal issues. Featured: Animals, Property, and Law by Gary Francione.Reflections on Tom Regan and the Animal Rights Movement That Once Was by Gary Francione.Are you a vegan or are you an extremist? by Gary Francione. Why Veganism matters: The Moral Value of Animals by Gary Francione.Animal Liberation by Peter Singer.Abolitionist Approach Animal Highlight: Honeybees The Animal Turn is part of the iROAR, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on A.P.P.L.E, Twitter, and InstagramThank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen for her design work, Virginia Thomas for the Animal Highlight, and Christiaan Mentz for his sound editing. A.P.P.L.E Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E)Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showThe Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of iROAR Network. Find out more on our website.
I detta avsnitt får du lyssna till Gary Francione. Gary Francione är professor i juridik, djurrättsförespråkare och abolitionistisk vegan. Hans arbete är noga genomtänkt och väl utvecklat i decennier. Lär dig mer om varför djurskyddsreformer inte hjälper djuren, nödvändigheten att förespråka veganism som ett imperativ och vad som är problemet med våld. Han är även […]
Is animal rights a subversive threat to human exceptionalism, or is it the next necessary step in society's moral growth — as its adherents claim? Today's episode of Humanize features a respectful conversation between Wesley and the animal rights philosopher Gary Francione, the leader of what is known as the “Abolitionist Movement,” that seeks to end all instrumental use of Read More ›
Josh (https://josh-milburn.com/ & https://twitter.com/JoshLMilburn & https://www.instagram.com/aveganphilosopher/) is a moral & political philosopher with research interests in animal ethics, the philosophy of food, liberal & libertarian political theory & applied ethics. He is a British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow in the Dept of Politics & International Relations at the University of Sheffield. He co-hosts the Knowing Animals podcast. In these Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube: https://youtu.be/akBBFREpveU. We discuss: - Taking an interdisciplinary approach to academia & activism - Encountering various religious traditions as a child - Thinking "I don't believe that" at 8 years old re: Noah's ark - Being a "militant atheist" as a teenager - Studying religions to undergrad level - What is real & what we can know to be real - There is a world out there but we don't know all about it - Science & naturalism - Dogma vs open-mindedness & humility - Moral realism & different kinds of claim/evidence - The dangers of moral relativism & nihilism - Grounding morality in a naturalistic understanding of sentient beings & sentience. "I don't suffering & I don't think you do either" - Pluralism - Religious studies didn't cover philosophy - Being very resistant to vegetarianism. A fundamental challenge - Reading Peter Singer at 17 while considering studying philosophy - "Philosophers are often not the best activists" - Philosophical arguments don't have the same impact on everyone - Some people "get it" but still don't change. Others just don't get it - "Imagine animals had rights - how would we feed the world?... It would't be a vegan food system." Clean/cultivated meats & milks - "Can we get to an ethical food system without people having to change their practices at all?" - Animals where it's less certain whether they are sentient. Invertebrates, oysters, jellyfish, insects, sponges - Deciding how to act in the face of uncertainty - "It's got to be a high bar to say 'you cannot do that thing that is central to your life'" but "Sentient animals have rights" and that's enough to tell pig farmers to stop - Edge cases re: veganism & animal ethics - Liberalism & state coercion. Only using coercion when injustice is clear - Having compassion for human sentients too, even those doing harm - #JustTransition - The history of the term "Sentientism". Rodman, Ryder, Singer - It's hard not to be consequentialist in its broadest sense - Deontological rules do have to pay attention to what happens - Gary Francione's abolitionism - Sue Donaldson & Will Kymlicka's Zoopolis - Sentientism as a pluralistic philosophy - "Animal activists don't have to be on the political left" - Sentientism rules out intra-human discriminations. Racism/homophobia etc. don't belong - Robert Nozick was a vegetarian & a libertarian - And much more. See https://sentientism.info/ or YouTube for full show notes. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at https://sentientism.info/. Join Josh on our "wall" https://sentientism.info/wall/ using this form: https://sentientism.info/im-a-sentientist. Everyone interested, Sentientist or not, is welcome to join our groups. Main one: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism. Thanks to Graham for the post-prod https://twitter.com/cgbessellieu.
At the start of December, Darren and Adam hosted a series of talks in collaboration with the UK-based magazine, The Philosopher. The second of these was with Gary Francione, Professor of Law and Katzenbach Scholar of Law and Philosophy at Rutgers University.
Can you guess what Darren and Adam talk about in this episode? Veganism? Roger Crab? A general rambling reflection on the year just gone and their interviews with Eva Meijer, Gary Francione and Syl Ko? Well, spot on! They talk about all of these things and more in the final episode of this series of Do You Even Vegan.
"Además, los estudios que incluyen monos, los animales son a menudo amarrados en sillas metálicas por cinco horas al día en promedio con sus colas rasuradas y conectadas a electrodos." Introducción a los Derechos Animales de Gary Francione. Hoy el tema es la experimentación en anímales. Por eso, vuelve al programa la experta Jessica Barros, médico veterinario de Hospital Veterinario Trinidad y de Defensoría de Derechos Animales Chile, y miembro de No Mas Vivisección. En el marco de la semana contra la experimentación en animales, Jessica de No Mas Vivisección, dio la primera charla virtual Ciencia Ética. Escucharemos parte de ella donde nuestra invitada hablará de porque esta aberrante práctica debe terminar, sus resultados catastróficos y la existencia de métodos alternativos. No Mas Vivisección en redes sociales: @nomasviviseccion Jessica Barros en Instagram: @jessveganveterinaria Introducción a los Derechos Animales de Gary Francione https://issuu.com/luistovar0/docs/introducci__n_a_los_derechos_animal Anuncios y Noticias: Fundación de Derecho y Defensa Animal interpone querella contra sujeto que forzó a perro a fumar @derechoydefensanimal Alcaldesa de Viña no cumple con dar refugio a los caballos @unavictoriaparaviña Dueño de Buin Zoo pide dinero públicamente para seguir con su negocio pero sigue campaña para liberar a Sandai orangután de allí https://www.change.org/p/libertad-para-sandai-buin-zoo-minagricl-sagchile Diamela Covarrubias está recolectando donaciones para centro de rehabilitación de animales en Amazonía. Instagram: @diame9 Curso en línea "Educación Vegana Antiespecista" dictada por Leo Tulleres de Valparaíso Animal Save, jueves a las 6pm. Instagram: @savevalpo
Note: There is a typo in the title of the podcast attached. The title of the post and podcast should both read "Jerneja" (not Jerneya). We know that food and politics are involved, especially because we know what is being subsidized...so at this point, being vegan is really a political stance. The 18th interview in this series, features Jerneja Caserta (Tomsic). Jerneja is one of the most interesting and outwardly passionate people I know. Her compassion for sentient beings has no bounds, her dedication to distilling and disseminating knowledge about veganism is perpetual, and her courage to speak her truth is admirable. Jerneja has been vegan for over 6 years. In this interview, she shares a glimpse of what she has learned and the evolution of her personal vegan journey. Mentioned in this interview: Gary Francione & the Abolitionist Approach, Abolitionist Approach on Facebook, Tom Regan's A Case for Animal Rights, Vegan Shift, Eriyah Flynn, Sarina Farb's Born Vegan on YouTube, South Florida Vegan Education Group, and Be Fair Be Vegan
Escucha AQUÍCuando deje "hoja" quería decir "pluma". Cuando dije "cama" quería decir "cara". Jajaja. Seguro hay otras cosas aun más equivocados. Perdón.Abajo son photos de la nueva mesa.Estos son los libros de Gary Francione y Anna Charlton disponibles en español. Por favor si no lo has hecho todavía que los léen"https://www.amazon.com/Derechos-Animales-Enfoque-Abolicionista-Spanish-ebook/dp/B07KPNVR2Zhttps://www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com/book/come-con-concienciaGracias por escuchar
There are no levels; you either are vegan or you are not. The second interview in this series, features Macneil Shonle. Macneil and I have been coworkers at a local San Diego-based company whose goal is to empower seniors to live independently for as long as possible via wearable personal emergency devices, smartphones and flip phones made specifically for the 60+ aging community and their families. Macneil has been vegan for 20 years. In this interview, he helps us understand why he became vegan and shares with us his personal vegan journey. Mentioned in this Episode: Diet For a New America, John Robbins, Gary Francione, Peter Singer
The more time I spend listening to the views of today's guests the more I whole-heartedly agree with their admittedly polarising assertions on the best way to advocate for total animal liberation. I've been on the record many times as believing “there is no best way to advocate” and “everything counts” and “as long as your intention is genuine” however I'm wavering. What if your intention is genuine and yet the ... READ MORE The post E608: Gary Francione, Anna Charlton and Eat Like You Care: An Examination of the Morality of Eating Animals. appeared first on Healthification.
New Show! We’re Back! BOB Reveals Amazingly Awesome Line-Up at Next Reggae Vegan Fest + interview with ERIC WEISMAN of Evolution regarding new organic vegan dog & cat food + unheard interview with GARY FRANCIONE recorded before hiatus + Trump’s racist foods? + observations on extinction, war & peace, & The Wall
Another reading from "Eat Like You Care", by Gary Francione and Anna Charlton.
A short reading from Eat Like You Care by Gary Francione and Anna Charlton. Topic: There is no moral distinction between meat and other animal products.
Gary Francione is an Animal Rights Theory based philosopher known for pioneering the abolitionist rights movement and coining the phrase "moral schizophrenia." Gary is Board of Governors Distinguished Professor and Katzenbach Scholar of Law and Philosophy and Distinguished Professor of Law at Rutgers School of Law in Newark, NJ. He is an honorary Professor of Philosophy at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, United Kingdom. Anna Charlton is a Lawyer and co-author with Francione and is adjunct Professor at Rutgers School of Law. Gary's home page here How do I go vegan? The Livegan Podcast Patreon Page The Livegan Podcast Facebook PageThe Livegan Podcast Instagram Page
Listen HEREHere is the podcast with Wayne Hsiung, Gary Francione and Bob Lindenhttp://www.goveganradio.com/go-vegan-radio-615/ - the discussion occurs starting at about 36 minutes into the show.Here is the ever important, historical, monumental must listen debate between Erik Marcus and Gary Francione (if calling it a 'conversation' will make you listen to it, then call it a conversation) it's a MUST LISTEN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NWA4Rf120Here is a link to Gary Francione's BOOKS. READ THEM! http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/This is Rain Without Thunder, published in 1996: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-necessity-of-theory/We know the world isn't going to go vegan overnight okay????http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/abolition-simple-concepts-pop-quiz/This is that blog post I talked about about the coalition needed for these single issue campaigns (also discussed in the podcast with Bob Linden and Wayne Hsiung). It's called" Why Welfare Reform Campaigns and Single-Issue Campaigns Necessarily Promote Animal Exploitation http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/14542-2/Here is the blog post on the importance of theory and how everyone, even those who says they don't subscribe to theory, is actually operating under some kind of theory:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-necessity-of-theory/Here is that podcast I did about "one way" activism:http://nzveganpodcast.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/nzvp-ep132-earthlings-experience-and.htmlCheck out Vanda Kadas' facebook page to see her fantastic, REGULARLY OCCURRING abolitionist approach vegan stall that she does every week!!! Here is a photo:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155228092022895&set=t.729047894&type=3&theater
Listen HERESo this is a confessional with a New Year's resolution attached.Here is a link to the saved recordings of the Webinar videos with Gary Francione and Anna Charlton - the one called Advocate For Animals is the latest one but they are all worth a watch. You can also sign up to see them live and have your questions answered live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57FK4Zf0xs&list=PLAg_TeZ267R6313TaOwEFJoxhUsRx1c_UCheck out the new book!! Advocate for Animals!: here is a blog post about it with a link at the top to where you can get it: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/new-book-advocate-for-animals-an-abolitionist-vegan-handbook/Here is the How Do I Go Vegan website: www.howdoigovegan.com there is a link to their Facebook pageFrances McCormack is the vegan mentor from How Do I Go Vegan (there might be other people too that I don't know about!): http://www.howdoigovegan.com/mentoring/Here is a post showing their week of fast easy meal ideas (this is from Facebook page): https://www.facebook.com/notes/howdoigovegancom/a-week-of-fast-food-meal-ideas/526632434358925/Here is a link to the International Vegan Association Nutrition guide if you live overseas and I highly recommend it: https://www.internationalvegan.org/nutrition/Thanks for listening!
Talking Turkey & Family Values on this Thanksgiving Show + How Vegan Were Native Americans? + commentary with Professor GARY FRANCIONE NOTE: This is a corrected version of the Nov 19th show, the original audio file had technical issues, including a super high-speed interview with Gary Francione and a long duration of silence. Support the show […]
LISTEN HEREThis is the article about China's factory conditions I mentioned:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/china/news/article.cfm?l_id=28&objectid=10722773Here is a link to the YouTube channel for Paola Aldana that I mentioned:http://www.youtube.com/user/porolita22 (English)http://www.youtube.com/user/porolita (Español)Here is a quote from Gary Francione on the word "compassion" (in relation to what I talk about at the very end of the podcast):"Is our obligation not to be racist or sexist a matter of "compassion"? No. it's a matter of justice. Same with nonhuman animals"
Under flera decennier så har Gary Francione och Anna Charlton arbetat fram ett ramverk som förklarar deras djurrättsteori. Resultatet är sex olika principer för att avveckla djurutnyttjande och död. Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach har verkligen förändrat samtalet rörande djuretik i världen. Man skulle kunna säga att den på ett väldigt kortfattat sätt är en […]
Listen HEREHere is that debate between Gary Francione and Dario Ringach that I talked abouthttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/debate-the-use-of-nonhuman-animals-in-biomedical-research-a-moral-justification/Here is the video of the debate. The sound is TERRIBLE someone didn't turn off their darn cell phone >:( But despite that it's worth a listen just grin and bear it. It's worth it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OMtRiD3oIThank you for listening
Together Amy and Billy started the Cleveland chapter of the Save Movement, the Cleveland Farmed Animal Save. They are two of the kind souls who dedicate their time to expose what the animal agriculture industry doesn't want you to see, working to connect the disconnect between animals in farms and photos and animals on our plates. Recently Amy & Billy came back from bearing witness at Anita Krajnc, of Toronto Pig Save's, final court date. This duo does all of this with love and positivity, citing a strict 'non violent' stance in their work. In this episode Amy & Billy share their experience with Anita's 'pig trial', how they work to chisel away at the idea that animals are property, and their response to Gary Francione's opinion that save movements aren't helpful to veganism. Plus they give some helpful advice on why a non violent approach can deescalate any situation. Head over to Liveplanted.com to see more photos of their recent save event: http://bit.ly/ClevelandSaveBlogPost Find Cleveland Farmed Animal Save here: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/clevelandsave/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cleveland_save/ Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/animalrights-190/events/236401189/ Worldwide Save Movement: https://www.facebook.com/savemovement/ List of Save Movement locations around the world: http://thesavemovement.org/list-of-save-groups/ Mentioned on the Show: ➜Anita Krajnc's Trial in the news: http://globalnews.ca/news/3298587/closing-arguments-at-trial-of-ontario-woman-who-gave-water-to-pigs-headed-to-slaughter/?sf61322091=1 ▶️ Connect with Live Planted here: Website: liveplanted.com Email: LivePlanted@Gmail.com Twitter: twitter.com/LivePlanted Instagram: www.instagram.com/liveplanted/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/LivePlanted/ ✮Support the podcast- Give us a review & subscribe in iTunes (preferably a 5✮!) The more reviews, the greater chance someone else will hear the podcast. Or share the podcast on social media- lets get the word out!
LISTEN HEREhere is a photo of Duffy in his hopefully new and permanent home:This is the link to Professor Gary Francione's latest commentary where he gives great advice about talking to non vegans about veganism: Five PrinciplesThis is a link to Barbara DeGrande's latest podcast about personal relationships as a vegan: Dating While VeganHere is a link to Mylène Ouellet's latest article: What's Sometimes HardestHere is a link to Adam Kochanowicz's Vegan Help Bot I mentioned: http://twitter.com/veganhelpand to his website: Vegan FM var fctb_tool=null; function FCTB_Init_62fd70b5f3ab461fab350d4a3b48f64c(t) { fctb_tool=t; start(fctb_tool); } var fctb_tool=null; function FCTB_Init_13b85618ab46459c8fe679c331e8ed4a(t) { fctb_tool=t; start(fctb_tool); } var fctb_tool=null; function FCTB_Init_46781a276703465984d22fa6869da24a(t) { fctb_tool=t; start(fctb_tool); }
I det här avsnittet pratar jag och Ksenija om djurrättsteori, veganism, djurrättsrörelsen och mycket mer! Avsnittet är på drygt 30 minuter. Trevlig lyssning. Vill du veta mer om det abolitionistiska synsättet på djurrätt av Gary Francione och Anna Charlton? Om du är ny vegan eller om du redan är vegan och vill veta mer
We went to the Cleveland VegFest last weekend and share some clips from speakers Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Richard Oppenlander, Gary Francione, and Rich Roll. We also chat with VegFest guests and catch up with speaker JoAnn Farb at her booth. ▶️Connect with Live Planted here: Website: liveplanted.com Email: LivePlanted@Gmail.com Twitter: twitter.com/LivePlanted Instagram: www.instagram.com/liveplanted/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/LivePlanted/ ✮Support the podcast- Give us a review & subscribe in iTunes (preferably a 5✮!) The more reviews, the greater chance someone else will hear the podcast. Or share the podcast on social media- lets get the word out!
Vegcast 122 is the 2015 edition of Sounds of Summerfest, featuring capsule interviews with Rebecca Gilbert, Vegetarian Hall of Fame inductee Hans Diehl and Gary Francione, as well as an original song Dr. Diehl commissioned for his anniversary with his wife, and other sounds from the annual vegan celebration in Johnstown, PA.
Vegcast 122 is the 2015 edition of Sounds of Summerfest, featuring capsule interviews with Rebecca Gilbert, Vegetarian Hall of Fame inductee Hans Diehl and Gary Francione, as well as an original song Dr. Diehl commissioned for his anniversary with his wife, and other sounds from the annual vegan celebration in Johnstown, PA.
Listen HEREhere is the debate between Gary Francione and Bruce Friedrich at the North American Animal Welfarist conference in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1qFdR1cHAHere is the debate about SICs I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRHr5bwNvLAHere is the FANTASTIC new book by Gary Francione and Anna Charlton Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach http://abolitionistapproachbook.weebly.comSo thrilling!!Here is the Facebook page for the mice - Lefty and Big Daddy need a home NOW https://www.facebook.com/18NZMice/?ref=hl
Listen HEREHere is the article I talked about:https://humaneleaguelabs.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/report-is-animal-cruelty-or-purity-abolitionist-messaging-more-effective/Here is the link to all of Gary Francione's books please read them ALL: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/Here is the link to the groundbreaking debate with Erik Marcus and Gary Francione please set yourself down with a pot of tea or coffee or whatever and listen to the whole 2.5 hours. http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/my-dinner-at-eriks-happy-meat-diner/#.VgEpU-mFu0c Here is the direct link to the audio in case you missed it: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/mp3/eriks-diner-2007-02-25.mp3Thanks for listening
Listen HEREVEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN VEGAN Here is the link to Gary Francione's book Eat Like You Care: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com Here is the link to all the rest of his books please read them: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/Here is a link to the videos please watch them: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/video/Please also explore the rest of the site www.abolitionistapproach.comHere is the speech by Chris Hedges please watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA41ggsdeXE
Escucha AQUÍo aquí: Gracias por escuchar!El libro "Come Con Consciencia" se encuentra aquí: http://www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com/eat-like-you-care-in-spanish-come-con-conciencia.htmlLa obra de Gary Francione traducido a español se encuentra aquí: http://www.anima.org.ar/liberacion/enfoques/francione.html
Listen HERE ***NOTE: I AM NO LONGER AFFILIATED WITH OR SUPPORT TAVSHere is the article I spoke about: Enabling ExploitationHere is one of the discussions on Gary Francione's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/abolitionistapproach/posts/647496038603487Oh and you HAVE to read this article!!!:Animal Welfare Regulation, “Happy Exploitation,” and SpeciesismThanks for listening
Listen HEREOr here Please go to this link to get a copy of Eat Like You Care: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.comJust read some of these amazing reviews so you get an idea how profoundly this book is helping people: http://www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com/what-people-are-saying.htmlAbolitionist Approach Website: www.abolitionistapproach.comPlease read ALL of these books: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/Thanks for listening and a huge thanks to my lovely guests Anna Charlton and Gary Francione
Escucha AQUÍo Aquí: Esto es una traducción en español de un video basado en el libro Animals, Property and the Law ("Animales, Propiedad y la Ley") de Gary Francione:http://vimeo.com/5040461Se me olvidó mencionar que el libro de Gary Francione Come Con Consciencia se puede leer ahora en español! Educarse es muy importante. Consigue Come Con Consciencia aquí (copia electrónica - pero no se necesita Kindle para leerlo): http://www.amazon.com/Come-conciencia-análisis-moralidad-animales-ebook/dp/B00KZYMN3IGracias por escuchar!
Listen HEREHere is the CNN interview: http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2014/10/04/smerconish-cat-kicked-10042014.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abolitionistapproach.com%2Fandre-robinson-king-confused-thinking-animal-ethics%2FHere is the NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/10/01/enforcing-the-legal-rights-of-animals/eating-meat-is-also-animal-abuseAnd there was a Daily News article too! I forgot to mention! : http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/gary-francione-stop-scapegoating-cat-kicker-article-1.1969363>>This is, I am pretty sure, the unedited and originally titled version of the NY Times article or at least that's what it seems to be: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/andre-robinson-king-confused-thinking-animal-ethics/#.VEH4pL4Qe3wThis is the Facebook discussion I was talking about re: "mock" animal products: https://www.facebook.com/abolitionistapproach/posts/867250949961327Thanks for listening!Here is me at my damp stall! I wouldn't normally go in weather like this to be honest, but I had 2 dozen cupcakes and there was nuthin gonna stop me!
Listen HEREHere is the link to the Vegan Printer: www.veganprinter.comHere is links to heaps of the articles and Facebook postings about The Vegan Society debacle:THE "VEGAN" SOCIETY WITHDRAWS "THERE, WE SAID IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE VEGAN." - Facebook post about the 'rebrand' and the changes they made after the first protest of the new TVS campaignhttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/moment-silence-donald-watson-founder-vegan-society/#.U-9o90sQcbShttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/vegan-society-ambassador-fiona-oakes-veganism-not-for-everyone-probably-not-many-people/#.U-9cK0sQcbShttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/manager-vegfestuk-tim-barford-many-people-get-ill-vegan-diet/#.U-9clEsQcbQhttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/cant-make-stuff-vegan-society-ambassador-fiona-oakes-says-promoting-veganism-moral-imperative-causes-damage-animals/#.U-9cF0sQcbQhttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/vegan-society-corporate-partners-sustainable-animal-agriculture/#.U-9cBEsQcbQhttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/brought-vegan-society-disrepute-insisted-vegan-society-vegan/#.U-9cb0sQcbQhttp://www.abolitionistapproach.com/vegan-society-decide/#.U-9cqEsQcbQPart 1 of the debate between Tim Barford and Gary Francione: http://www.goveganradio.com/2014/08/04/3-august-2014/Part 2 of the debate: http://www.goveganradio.com/2014/08/13/10-august-2014/Facebook events page for the debate: https://www.facebook.com/events/809889079061401/This is the debate between Gary Francione and Erik Marcus: a MUST listen for any advocate: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/audio/#erik-marcus-20070225 There is also a pdf of the transcript the relevant part I was referring to is here: "...as far as what we say to people who don’t ... I’m not really interested in designing campaigns – I mean look, Erik, there are going to be people who disagree, they’re going to be people who aren’t interested at all. So shall I design my campaign and shall I target my efforts to the people that don’t care? You know, last night I saw this movie Amazing Grace, it wasn’t a perfect movie, but it was certainly, given the grand scheme of horrible movies these days, it was a worthwhile movie to see. It was about Wilbur Wilberforce, who actually with Richard Martin, Ithink this is accurate, that he started the RSPCA in England, but William Wilberforcewas also an abolitionist with respect to slavery. And it was very interesting, because he had to confront this very issue. That, at the time that he decided slavery should be abolished most people thought slavery shouldn’t be abolished, and yet, he didn’t propose that we ought to make slavery more humane. He took an abolitionist position continuously, and eventually he prevailed. So I’m not really interested in worrying about – yeah, are there some people out there that don’t care? You used the expression “gratuitous cruelty” I don’t even know what the hell that means, Erik. I really don’t even know what that means, gratuitous cruelty. What does that mean? We don’t need to eat animals at all. Nobody maintains – its 2007, nobody, not even the United States government maintains that we need to eat any animal products to be optimally healthy. Indeed an increasing number of mainstream healthcare people are telling us that eating animal products isn’t good for us. So, all suffering in connection with animals that we’re raising for food is gratuitous. So I don’t know what you mean when you say gratuitous cruelty. But, are there people who don’t care? Yes, Erik, there are people who don’t care, and there are a lot of people who do care. And what I’m interested in doing is reaching those people, and when I reach them, the last thing in the world I want to tell them is, “Hey look, you’re going to go from Abu Ghraib to a minimum security Connecticut prison if you buy cage-free eggs.” I’m not going to tell them that. I’m going to tell them if they care about this issue there’s one choice: go vegan. And you know what? Some people are going to turn off to that, and some people are going to turn on to that, and what I’m interested in is the people who turn on to it, because every person I turn on to it decreases demand. That’s what we’ve got to do, is decrease the demand. And the way you decrease demand is you get people to stop using these products altogether. You don’t do it by imposing opportunity costs that are so deminimist that producers can pass those costs along to consumers and not lose a cent of profit. Indeed, there is a huge markup. I don’t know if you’ve shopped at Whole Foods recently, but they’re making a lot of money. Those products are marked up tremendously. Those producers are making a tremendous profit. I don’t think that’s the solution. As a matter of fact, I’m sure it’s not."Here is my Facebook status I read out: https://www.facebook.com/NZVegan/posts/541388332629761"Listening to the second part of the debate between Gary Francione and Tim Barford. So far we are at just the first question, re: having groups like "Part-Time Carnivore" attend Veg Fest. Tim is justifying this by saying cutting down to say 20% animal products is still going to have an immensely positive effect on the environment and human health, as well as decreasing by 80% the amount of animals used.Nobody is disputing that less harm is better. Nobody is disputing that or has ever disputed that. It is not an issue that is focused on in human rights campaigning against fundamental human rights abuses like rape (I mean, less rape is better right? So should we campaign for 'less rape'? NO!!! We should and do campaign for NO RAPE!)The main theme of Tim's position and of every single other welfarist I have debated myself in various places, is the same one. Their position is: if you advocate for veganism unequivocally, not only will people not even begin to think about these issues at all, and therefore because they won't even begin to think about them that means they will therefore never start to examine their animal use, leading them to start to cut down on their animal use anyway, of their own volition, based on these issues they are beginning to think about because they were talked to about veganism - not only will they not do that, but that they will completely and utterly, down to the last person, freak out, reject the entire thing entirely, and will make NO reductions and might even increase animal use out of some kind of perverse notion and will never, ever go vegan, or ever cut down, or ever have their consciousness awoken in the slightest bit about the immorality of animal use.This is their claim. Based on this erroneous belief, they claim we *have* to promote "meat free Mondays" or "part time Carnivore" or welfare 'reforms' or 'cutting down' etc and we cannot promote veganism unequivocally or hold veganism as the moral baseline. Otherwise, they claim, NO ONE will make ANY CHANGES. EVER. That's their position.Does that make sense to you? That doesn't make sense to me either." Thanks for listening
Listen HEREOr here: Here is the link to the article debunking 'reverse racism' that I mentioned and quoted from, *please* read it: http://feminspire.com/why-reverse-racism-isnt-real/Here is the link to the articles on the modern feminist movement that I mentioned, I especially learned a lot from the second article, especially the similarities and conflicts within the feminist movement that mirror a lot of the welfarist/abolitionist debate.http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2014/03/sex-positive-feminism-doing-patriarchys-work-ithttp://feministcurrent.com/8879/the-divide-isnt-between-sex-negative-and-sex-positive-feminists-its-between-liberals-and-radicals/I especially LOVE this comment by one of the commentators on the article whose moniker is "MLM":"I think part of the problem, and part of what makes certain radical thinkers so easy to demonise, is that the very notion of compassion itself has also been hijacked and distorted. People think compassion is about protecting somebody’s feelings, and sometimes it is. But sometimes it’s having an understanding that there are more crucial issues at stake. And doing the right thing may actually hurt someone’s feelings, and not make you or them feel good. Sometimes the deepest compassion is the type that requires you to be the sword which cuts through the bullshit and say “No, Im sorry. I can’t and won’t go along with that. It’s not good for me or you or anyone”. (I’m learning this more and more as a parent…)Going along with falsehood and delusion just because you are afraid of hurting someone’s feelings or because you feel sorry for them is not compassion, it’s a type of sycophancy. And while it’s so important not to lose sight of the fact that you are dealing with another human being when you find yourself in opposition with them, it’s every bit as important to point out that facilitating injustice in the name of “compassion” is actually precisely the opposite. Fierce defence of justice is actually the truest kind of compassion, but often also the easiest to mischaracterize." Here is a link to one of the articles by Gary Francione on the Kapparos Campaign:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-kapparos-campaign-a-good-example-whats-wrong-single-issue-campaigns/#.U7dbBxYQcbQHere is a link to the articles about The "Vegan" Society's betrayal of the moral baseline:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/moment-silence-donald-watson-founder-vegan-society/#.U7fUEhYQcbQThank you for listening.
Escucha AQUÍo aquí: El enlace por Eat Like You Care [Come Con Consciencia]: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.comGracias!! Terminé!!!! jaaaaaaaaaaa!
Escucha AQUÍo aquí El sitio web de Come Con Consciencia (Eat Like You Care): www.eatlikeyoucarebook.comPor favour lean los artículos en el siguiente sitio: http://www.anima.org.ar/liberacion/enfoques/francione.htmlPor favour chequean: www.servegano.com.arGracias por escuchar
Escucha AQUÍo aquí libro: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.comTAVS: www.abolitionistvegansociety.orgEl libro "Animals Property and the Law": http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/animals-property-and-the-law/#.Uxu9BtzDqv8Gracias por escuchar
Escucha AQUÍo aquí Perdóname por la audio ser tan baja, la próxima va a ser a nivel propio. Decidí publicarlo yá, va a ser como cuatro episodios en total. Espero que les guste. Es la primera vez que intento hacer algo así, por favor avísame de cualquier cosa. GraciasEl enlace por el libro Eat Like You Care: Examination of the Morality of Eating Animals (en español probablemente llamado "Come Con Consciencia" pero no está confirmado) es: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com Esto son los otros libros mencionados en este podcast (solo disponibles en inglés):http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/introduction-to-animal-rights-your-child-or-the-dog/http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/animals-property-and-the-law/#.UxWsI9zDqv8
Corrección!! Es el episodio 36 NO 116!! tantas equivocaciones jejeEscucha AQUÍo aquí Yo hice 45 minutos! Y me computadora borró casí todo! Tengo que hacerlo de nuevo pero mientras tanto y una parte de la traducción que sobrevivió así que lo publico ahora y continuo con el resto desde el punto de salida cuanto antes.Enlace del libro: www.eatlikeyoucarebook.comGracias por su paciencia.
Escucha AQUÍ y gracias por escucharEl sitio web de Ánima con los traducciones de Gary Francione: http://www.anima.org.ar/liberacion/enfoques/francione.htmlEl sitio web de Ser Vegano: http://servegano.com.arLa información en español de la campaña TAVS pin que mencioné al final: http://servegano.com.ar/articulos/campana-tavs-pinMi canal de YouTube: Francion Ista
Listen HERERelevant quote:"The fact that people won't go vegan immediately does not mean that we should ever promote anything less than veganism as morally okay. We ought always to be clear that if animals matter morally, we cannot justify consuming them. If someone who cares about animals wants to do less than go vegan, or want to go vegan in stages, let that be their choice and not our recommendation. We should *never* promote non-veganism as a morally good thing. We should *never* put a stamp of approval on animal exploitation--however "humane" it is (and it's never "humane" anyway)." ~Gary Francione
Today Michael interviews Gary Lawrence Francione. Gary is an American legal scholar. He is the Distinguished Professor of Law and Nicholas deB. Katzenbach Scholar of Law & Philosophy at Rutgers School of Law–Newark. And aurthor of several books: EAT LIKE YOU CARE The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation Animals as Persons: Essays on the Abolition of Animal Exploitation Introduction to Animal Rights: Your Child or the Dog
Libertarian ideas have been a major theme in The Conversation. They were introduced in our second episode by Max More and have since been elaborated upon by David Miller, Robert Zubrin, Tim Cannon, and Oliver Porter. But while libertarianism has been discussed frequently, it has always been a secondary theme within episodes about, say, transhumanism or space exploration. But libertarianism is too intriguing to discuss obliquely, so we're pulling it out of the background and exploring it in a full episode. We were especially interested in the logical conclusion of libertarian thought and, for that, we turned to Walter Block. Walter Block is a self-described anarcho-capitalist, chair of the Economics Department at Loyola University in New Orleans, Louisiana, and a Senior Fellow at the libertarian Mises Institute. Block is also the author of numerous articles and several books, including Defending the Undefendable and The Case for Discrimination. Connections to earlier episodes abound as Block calls John Zerzan crazy, suggests Gary Francione commit suicide, and lambastes the ideas of John Rawls that were advanced by Lawrence Torcello. Whatever you think of this episode, you'll certainly remember it.
Libertarian ideas have been a major theme in The Conversation. They were introduced in our second episode by Max More and have since been elaborated upon by David Miller, Robert Zubrin, Tim Cannon, and Oliver Porter. But while libertarianism has been discussed frequently, it has always been a secondary theme within episodes about, say, transhumanism or space exploration. But libertarianism is too intriguing to discuss obliquely, so we're pulling it out of the background and exploring it in a full episode. We were especially interested in the logical conclusion of libertarian thought and, for that, we turned to Walter Block. Walter Block is a self-described anarcho-capitalist, chair of the Economics Department at Loyola University in New Orleans, Louisiana, and a Senior Fellow at the libertarian Mises Institute. Block is also the author of numerous articles and several books, including Defending the Undefendable and The Case for Discrimination. Connections to earlier episodes abound as Block calls John Zerzan crazy, suggests Gary Francione commit suicide, and lambastes the ideas of John Rawls that were advanced by Lawrence Torcello. Whatever you think of this episode, you'll certainly remember it.
Listen HERE This week I talk about too much stuff to write about here, but the following are all the relevant links:The NEW NZ ABOLITIONIST VEGAN PODCAST from Vegan For LifeNow available in iTunesMylène Ouellet's podcast is also on iTunesVeganacious' Barbara DeGrande new podcast episode is here oo and here is an interview she did with Mylène! Darn, I knew I had missed something out! >:(Sam Tucker's latest episode can be accessed through this pageLiveVegan's podcast can be accessed through their You Tube channel here *Gasp* I hope I didn't miss something out.OOPS I did it again. Oh dear. I said Four thousand eight hunded animals were killed by PETA in 2009 but according to the article it was 2, 352. However, that doesn't change my point, still I apologise for again getting my figures wrong:8 Animals on Opposing Views by Gary FrancioneThat link is to an opposing views page that linked to an Abolitionist Approach blog entry related to the story. Have a look at the comments and you will see what I mean. For example, the comment by Heidi Parker, Mail Coordinator, PETA Foundation and the comment immediately following her comment, for that matter. Here is a link to the Vegan Examiner Adam Kochanowicz's article on the Mercy For Animals video: My Thoughts on MFA's videoHere is a link to the article about the UN: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet Finally, here is a link to Vegan Poet M. Butterflies Katz's blog where she has the articles: The Vegan TruthI hope I remembered everything!
John Seager is the President of Population Connection, formerly Zero Population Growth. Since its founding in 1968, Population Connection has been America's largest grassroots organization dedicated to the question of overpopulation. Prior to his work at Population Connection, John worked for the EPA and in congressional politics. Population has been a regular theme in The Conversation but has not been well developed in previous episodes. John remedies that. He also argues that overpopulation results primarily from gender inequality and a lack of access to affordable contraception—education and affluence matter, but they are secondary to equality. Combatting overpopulation is often thought of in centralized and draconian terms, but John feels that population levels will naturally plateau if individuals are allowed to freely choose the size of their families. Does this make you think of the Constitutional questions discussed in Roberta Francis' episode? Early in The Conversation, Alexander Rose mentioned his concern that a declining population could threaten our economic system. That question surfaced again, albeit in a slightly different guise, when I spoke to John Fullerton about the challenge of decelerating the economy—though we did not talk about population decline, it's worth asking if our appraisals of corporate value assume a growing population. Seager also gives us another perspective on the ideological purity and social pragmatism discussion that Neil and I had at the end of Gary Francione's episode. Like Francione, Seager is a moral realist in certain areas—gender equality being one—but he also embraces incremental change and makes a case for the word "opportunism." Are purity and pragmatism a false binary? Are they equally effective (or ineffective) modes of achieving social goals? Micah, Neil and I will talk about this more at the end of the episode. One last connection to leave you with: Robert Zubrin. Zubrin claims that overpopulation is a false concept and that, with sufficient freedom and creativity, we can support ever greater populations. Does this make him at odds with Seager? Or does Seager's emphasis on individual freedom and choice make his ideas compatible with Zubrin's? We don't know.
John Seager is the President of Population Connection, formerly Zero Population Growth. Since its founding in 1968, Population Connection has been America's largest grassroots organization dedicated to the question of overpopulation. Prior to his work at Population Connection, John worked for the EPA and in congressional politics. Population has been a regular theme in The Conversation but has not been well developed in previous episodes. John remedies that. He also argues that overpopulation results primarily from gender inequality and a lack of access to affordable contraception—education and affluence matter, but they are secondary to equality. Combatting overpopulation is often thought of in centralized and draconian terms, but John feels that population levels will naturally plateau if individuals are allowed to freely choose the size of their families. Does this make you think of the Constitutional questions discussed in Roberta Francis' episode? Early in The Conversation, Alexander Rose mentioned his concern that a declining population could threaten our economic system. That question surfaced again, albeit in a slightly different guise, when I spoke to John Fullerton about the challenge of decelerating the economy—though we did not talk about population decline, it's worth asking if our appraisals of corporate value assume a growing population. Seager also gives us another perspective on the ideological purity and social pragmatism discussion that Neil and I had at the end of Gary Francione's episode. Like Francione, Seager is a moral realist in certain areas—gender equality being one—but he also embraces incremental change and makes a case for the word "opportunism." Are purity and pragmatism a false binary? Are they equally effective (or ineffective) modes of achieving social goals? Micah, Neil and I will talk about this more at the end of the episode. One last connection to leave you with: Robert Zubrin. Zubrin claims that overpopulation is a false concept and that, with sufficient freedom and creativity, we can support ever greater populations. Does this make him at odds with Seager? Or does Seager's emphasis on individual freedom and choice make his ideas compatible with Zubrin's? We don't know.
Gary L. Francione is an animal rights activist, proponent of veganism, Professor of Law and Scholar of Law and Philosophy at Rutgers. Previously he taught at the University of Pennsylvania, worked as an attorney in New York, and clerked for Sandra Day O'Connor. He is the author of several books including Rain Without Thunder: The Ideology of the Animal Rights Movement and, more recently, co-author of The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation. For all of the talk of biocentrism and anthropocentrism that dominated many of the early episodes of The Conversation, animals have not been a major theme within the project. Chris McKay, Robert Zubrin, and David Keith all discussed animals in passing, but for Gary they are central to a discussion of what he considers the biggest issue of our era: the tension between moral realism and moral relativism. Questions of nonviolence, commodification, and empathy pervade our conversation, but Gary pairs his abstract notions with a lot of concrete examples—this episode deals with the visceral immediacy of everyday life and doesn't threaten to float away in a philosophical balloon. I think you will like this episode, just as I think it will challenge you. In terms of connections, there are points where Gary could almost be responding directly to Richard Saul Wurman's moral relativism. Lawrence Torcello will be on your mind, not merely because I mention him in the introduction, but because Gary's conversation provokes questions of relativism, pluralism, and how we can work towards the broader good. On another note, we're adding a new co-host to The Conversation: Neil Prendergast will be joining the project this episode. Micah and I aren't going anywhere but, as Micah's work schedule gets busier, we wanted to bring another voice on board so we can resume our weekly schedule and have two hosts on deck. We're also excited because Neil brings a fresh sensibility and body of knowledge to our concluding discussions. This will be fun.
Gary L. Francione is an animal rights activist, proponent of veganism, Professor of Law and Scholar of Law and Philosophy at Rutgers. Previously he taught at the University of Pennsylvania, worked as an attorney in New York, and clerked for Sandra Day O’Connor. He is the author of several books including Rain Without Thunder: The Ideology of the Animal Rights Movement and, more recently, co-author of The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation. For all of the talk of biocentrism and anthropocentrism that dominated many of the early episodes of The Conversation, animals have not been a major theme within the project. Chris McKay, Robert Zubrin, and David Keith all discussed animals in passing, but for Gary they are central to a discussion of what he considers the biggest issue of our era: the tension between moral realism and moral relativism. Questions of nonviolence, commodification, and empathy pervade our conversation, but Gary pairs his abstract notions with a lot of concrete examples—this episode deals with the visceral immediacy of everyday life and doesn't threaten to float away in a philosophical balloon. I think you will like this episode, just as I think it will challenge you. In terms of connections, there are points where Gary could almost be responding directly to Richard Saul Wurman's moral relativism. Lawrence Torcello will be on your mind, not merely because I mention him in the introduction, but because Gary's conversation provokes questions of relativism, pluralism, and how we can work towards the broader good. On another note, we're adding a new co-host to The Conversation: Neil Prendergast will be joining the project this episode. Micah and I aren't going anywhere but, as Micah's work schedule gets busier, we wanted to bring another voice on board so we can resume our weekly schedule and have two hosts on deck. We're also excited because Neil brings a fresh sensibility and body of knowledge to our concluding discussions. This will be fun.
How should we treat animals? Jeremy Bentham argued that we should weigh animal suffering in our moral decision making, and Peter Singer's concept of speciesism is a modern version of that utilitarian approach. Gary L. Francione argues that philosophers like Peter Singer who focus on animal welfare have not gone far enough: what matters is that we shouldn't use animals at all. He calls his approach abolitionism. Philosophy Bites is made in association with the Institute of Philosophy.
Listen HEREHere is the quote I was trying to say on the show"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret MeadThis is the Gandhi quote I have on my 'cubicle' wall at work:"Non-violence and truth are inseparable and presuppose one another." ~ GandhiHere are the posters I have on my cubicle wall at workHere is a link to the interview of Gary Francione by Erik Marcus: MP3 or listen on the Abolitionist Approach Audio page.Please read Gary Francione's booksHere is our Facebook Group that I talked about: Oz Vegan & NZ VeganHere is the link to Emmy James' new podcast that I mentioned: Activism and the Message We Want to Send
LISTEN HERE (Huge apologies for the terrible audio quality, I hit record without first verifying the input, so instead of my logitech headphones it was set to the inbuilt mic, which is why there is all that noise and stuff. It happens sometimes lol )Here is the article of the interview with Gary Francione that I mentioned: http://www.free.org.il/english/articles/gary.html(What he says is about "passivity" and exactly is not necessarily what I paraphrased, but it certainly made me understand that the "pacifist" claim made against us is trying to insinuate "passivity" and that is not true).Here is another quote from Gary Francione about this subject:"Those who claim that the abolitionist approach [to animal rights] advises inactivity misunderstand that the idea is to engage in *effective* advocacy rather than in wheel-spinning and counterproductive activity that generates donations and bequests for large groups."Here is the article by Randy Sandberg on his Vegans for Peace website that I mentioned:http://vegansforpeace.org/2010/03/13/why-are-you-a-vegetarian/Here is the article by Emmy James that I mentioned:Facebook link (you will probably only be able to see it if you are a facebook contact of Emmy's)Here is the quote by Mylène Ouellet that I mentioned:http://quotesonslavery.org/whats-hard-about-veganism-isnt-being-vegan/Here is the must read article Why Veganism by Eva Batt:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/text/why-veganism-by-eva-batt/Also available HERE
LISTEN HERERelevant links to this podcast:Veganism as a Minimum Standard of Decency by Dan Cudahy from Unpopular Vegan EssaysThe articles about the Vegan Society's advertising of non vegan establishments, inluding a pdf of a thread on facebook that was deleted after they shamefully deleted Gary Francione from the page:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/i-wonder-what-donald-watson-founder-of-the-vegan-society-would-think/http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/its-not-1946/http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-need-for-a-vegan-society/http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/pdf/why-are-non-vegan-restaurants-advertised-in-the-vegan.pdfThe article on John Robbins I mentioned, by Mylène Ouellet:http://my-face-is-on-fire.blogspot.com/2010/07/animal-advocacy-leaders-hall-of-fail.htmlAnd finally, a response to the latest claims by welfare advocates pointing to the same study each time it seems:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/science-weighs-in-animal-welfare-reform-is-useless/Thanks for listening
Listen HEREThis week I say hi and thank you to people who listened to the Gary Francione interview and other episodes and got in touch with me to offer support and I have provided links to their fantastic websites in my list of links. I reinforce why I am only comfortable with peaceful, abolitionist vegan activism, because otherwise I would not be being true to myself. I talk about how animals, unlike women or human slaves, will never be able to start their own movement or create an agenda or a political party etc etc, obviously, so they will never have a way of helping themselves from this situation that we have placed them all in. It is only up to us to help them, right through to the end.
LISTEN TO THE PODCAST HERE This week I talk about my new job, the new member of my family, domestication and why I am more and more opposed to it every day, and I talk about the irrelevancy of the abortion issue to animal rights.Here is a link to the "Elizabeth Collins cont'd" part of my "profile" from my new job (scroll down):http://www.vetcare.net.nz/about_us.htmlThis is the link to the debate on Michael Medved's radio show between Gary L. Francione and Wesley J.Smith:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/mp3/michael-medved-20100416.mp3This is a link to the article requesting people to call in next time:http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/live-call-in-on-michael-medveds-radio-program/These are the links to the discussion about promoting veganism: FIrstly the original article by Stephanie Ernst that started the discussion off:http://challengeoppression.com/2010/04/15/a-vegan-but-not-an-activist-sure-an-animal-lover-but-not-a-vegan-nope/Then Mylène's article: http://my-face-is-on-fire.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-doing-more-than-bare-minimum.htmlGary Francione's twitlonger: http://www.facebook.com/notes/livevegan/are-we-morally-obligated-as-individuals-to-promote-veganism-beyond-our-being-veg/383405213859 - (You have to belong to LiveVegan on facebook to read this) or you can read it here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/u06prDitto this one, Dave Langlois twitlonger: http://www.facebook.com/notes/livevegan/duties-narrow-and-wide-twitlonger-by-david-langlois/383376633859 - or you can read it here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/u047jHere is a link to LiveVegan's new PODCAST on YouTube where this is also discussed:http://www.youtube.com/livevegan#p/a/u/2/H5UjOpU8hj8And Vincent Guihan discusses it here also: http://weotheranimals.blogspot.com/2010/04/is-activism-obligation-some-thoughts.htmlFinally, meet Zsebi (she put herself there, she is looking for comfort always, because normally she would be surrounded by furry, purring momma and brothers and sisters).
Listen HEREThis week I am very pleased to have back as my guest William Paul. We talk about his experience as a peaceful activist and how about an occurrence where he was challenged on his nonviolence stance while speaking out against violence. We also talk about the NZ Vegan Society's Big Book of Vegan Products which is a fantastic new resource by this great new NZ Vegan Society. We discuss the up-and-coming (we hope) SAFE vegan campaign and whether it will actually happen, how it will happen and whether it will it actually be a vegan campaign that we can get behind, among other things.Also as both William and I have unfortunately been without internet access for a week, coincidentally, we came back online to discover the recent development of a wonderful new resource for vegan advocacy by Gary Francione and the team at The Abolitionist Approach which is based on John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "War is Over if you want it" Times Square Billboard:The World is Vegan! If you want it.Links:theworldisvegan.comWilliam Paul on FacebookWilliam Paul on Twitter The NZ Vegan Society on Facebook (please join and show your support!)Please look at all the resources for The World is Vegan! if you want it resources from:Vincent Guihan at We Other AnimalsAdam Kochanowicz at The Vegan NewsJohn Colvin Please also read this NOTE from Professor Francione about the billboard:Thanks everyone for all this great work and thanks to William for coming back on the show!
Listen HEREThe second half of my conversation with Adam Kochanowicz where we talk about issues and opinions and share experiences as two advocates for abolitionist veganism in this speciesist, welfarist world! Enjoy!Please check out the interview with Gary Francione at The Vegan News:All EpisodesSubscribe to The Vegan News VideoSubscribe to The Vegan News Audio Or watch on YouTube
Listen HEREThis week I was chatting with Adam Kochanowicz, as we often do, and we thought it would be an interesting experiment to post our conversations about events and about what we think and what we are doing, and see if anyone else can relate!Please check out the interview with Gary Francione at The Vegan News:All EpisodesSubscribe to The Vegan News VideoSubscribe to The Vegan News Audio Or watch on YouTube
LISTEN HEREThis week I talk about how important it is that we recognise and help others to recognise that our abolitionist movement for nonviolence is still an abolitionist anti-slavery movement, and our practical focus right now with regard to addressing this problem of violence and animal use has the primary goal, initially, of creating a society in which we can address the abolition of the property status of animals, because that is still where we are at. We haven't even begun to address that! The animal movement still doesn't even have veganism as the moral baseline! But the abolitionist movement does :) By promoting veganism we will create an environment in which we can actually address that, finally! Welfare reforms are useless and do not address the property paradigm. Vegan education does. As Gary Francione said in his latest interview, part of which you can read HERE:"At this point, it makes no sense to focus on the law, because as long as we regard animals as things, as a moral matter, the laws will necessarily reflect that absence of moral value and continue to do nothing to protect animals. We need to change social and moral thinking about animals before the law is going to do anything more."Let's not allow people, neither other vegans nor anti-vegans, to shift our focus to the defeatist, overwhelmingly negative attitudes, which seem to be fixated on all the things still currently out of our control as individuals (the majority of food production, sidewalks, tyres etc) and which prompt the vegans to identify their reason for opposing vegan education as being "too pure" or "unrealistic" (which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever) and anti-vegans to make absurd claims that animal use is an action that is equal in morality to veganism. I want us to remind people what being vegan really means, and what our abolitionist movement really means, especially at this point in history, where we are still in this incredibly non vegan world, in which chattel slavery of sentient beings is still very much accepted as the norm and in which new welfarism is the dominant paradigm and therefore welfarism is still provided and marketed by the majority of vegans as the correct response to the issue of animal use. Wrong answer! Veganism is the correct response, as we know. We just have to continue to be a clear voice, and our voice is growing. Thank you all so much, for being such wonderful, clear voices. Please read Gary Francione's work to learn about the importance of the abolition of the property status of animals and why veganism and the promotion of veganism is the correct response, the only response to that immoral status which still exists in our world today.http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/books/http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/category/podcast/I mention Randy W. Sandberg and his wonderful advice about not feeding trolls (I am still trying to find the article he shared, will post when I find it..)I mention Trisha Roberts from LiveVegan and her wonderful messages about insects, and I mention her organisation lobsa.orgI mentioned a video about nuclear pollution, posted by Renata Peters from The Alice Springs Vegan Society which you can also check out here at the latest article on Myl ène Ouellet's blog My Face is on Fire Thanks for listening :)
Listen HEREToday I make an announcement, and also finally respond to the hugely publicised campaign by the NZ animal welfare group S.A.F.E to promote "free range" pork consumption. I must admit I really let the side down. I wallowed in a level of self indulgment that is really inexcusable, especially from someone such as myself who claims to be such an activist. I apologise. I didn't write any letters to the papers or participate in any discussions, because I allowed myself to be negative. Well, now I finally made a comment on an animal welfare page (not a local one), maybe it was the wrong place to do it -maybe all the people who read that blog are vegan, I don't know. Here is the article if you want to comment also:Animal Welfare ExaminerThat is the comment I should have left on every NZ paper opinion page and every discussion board across the country while everything was going on, and I didn't. I admit I let everyone down especially all of the poor suffering pigs. The story is still out there though, so I will now be participating - better late than never.I want to thank all of you who did respond on these opinion boards and to the papers and talk about veganism. For example Bea Elliot wrote in, and she lives in America, where they have so many detrimental welfare campaigns of their own to deal with, and I live here and I didn't write anything, so I am put to shame. No excuses, I let the side down. However, I have addressed the issue in this episode and I welcome comments. I am not trying to turn this podcast into a rant, or into a negative website dedicated to criticising S.A.F.E - in fact I hope to not mention them again - they do what they do, I do what I do. However, it was so highly publicised, and I was so disturbed by it that I needed to get it off my chest, and now I feel so much better. This is really a good way to resolve inner conflict - I recommend starting a blog or podcast! It is worth it. Also, as I told someone recently, we can't let the others do all the work for us. Grass roots means community level, and that is what we need, in all languages, by actual members of those communities in their own words. And that is what grass roots activism is all about. Also, in light of campaigns such as this one, we need it more than ever, so that is what I hope to do in New Zealand. Also, I would like to acknowledge another abolitionist vegan in New Zealand! I hope I am not incorrect in pinning this description on you Bron - but I think you get it! Thanks for keeping in touch, and I am sorry I didn't include you in the tally. Now we are FOUR!Finally, coincidentally as I was uploading this post, I checked my email and there was a new update from the Abolitionist Approach about an article in which Gary Francione mentions the importance of seeing animals as individuals - this is how I understand it to be when they are described as persons. So I thought it was a good coincidence.UPDATE: check the comments section of this post to see input from Roger Yates where he also mentions Professor Francione's book Animals As Persons and some quotes to explain some of the concepts as presented in the book.P.S I am aware that Anthony De Mello passed away many years ago, so although I did talk about him and his writings in the present tense I do know he is no longer alive.P.P.S The following is the passage I referred to in this episode. Mr. De Mello was primarily concerned with the human condition, was a Jesuit Priest, and was not a vegan, but even as a non-religious vegan I find his writings very helpful. It appears the Krishnamurti is the originator of the quote."...The great Krishnamurti put it so well when he said, "the day you teach a child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again". How true! The first time the child sees that fluffy (sic), alive, moving object (sic) and you say to him, "Sparrow", then tomorrow when the child sees another fluffy, moving object similar to it he says, "Oh, sparrows. I've seen sparrows. I'm bored by sparrows".If you don't look at things through your concepts, you'll never be bored. Every single thing is unique. Every sparrow is unlike every other sparrow despite the similarities. It's a great help to have similarities, so we can abstract, so that we can have a concept. It's a great help, from the point of view of communication, education, science. But it's also very misleading and a great hindrance to seeing this concrete individual..." - Awareness, Anthony De Mello
Listen HEREJust want to say I was never trying to hide my identity! I am proud of who I am. I just thought my nickname was unusual and unique and would draw attention, and there are so many Elizabeth Collins out there. I am NOT the Elizabeth Collins that writes/wrote articles for PETA!!!Anyway, my friends from New York have been calling me Knuckles for as long as I can remember, it is my nickname, but everyone knows my real name because that is how it is shown on Gary Francione's site for example - it was never about hiding my name. But if I ever deal with someone who is looking for a reason to judge or make snap decisions, using my nickname may work against me, and well, you never know. So there you go. You can still call me Knuckles if you like! I don't care either way. But officially, podcast-wise, I'm dropping the moniker.And I put a photo (another great suggestion from Doug) - it was taken by me on my camera phone in NYC in very early November 2007, only a couple of weeks after I saw Earthlings and went vegan. I had just that minute returned from being away at a wedding that I had promised to go to, and it was a great wedding of two of my closest friends and was beautiful, but in order to attend I had to leave my baby to go to Vegas for three days. This photo was taken minutes after we were reunited, and you can see the relief in her little face. I came back! Can you imagine what it is like for them when we leave them like that? I hope to never have to do it to her again.Thanks to Doug Hines.http://www.eatraworganicsunshine.com/why_no_meat_.html
Listen HEREThis week I try to articulate my thoughts about abolition veganism as a movement, as a cause that is becoming reality, because I am starting to think that we are at the beginning of something that may one day, albeit perhaps long after we are gone, be called a movement. The more people I am finding out about who are promoting abolitionist veganism, the more I realize that something has really begun. Something that actually will make a difference, unlike the last 200 years. It's very probable it has begun purely because of one man, Gary Francione; that is often how great movements are begun, but they only get going when people finally pay attention, and get involved, and get behind that person, then it becomes two people, then three then hundreds until it becomes a real grass roots movement. Think of all the great movements in history... However, I am trying to remind myself that firstly, if this IS the beginning of a movement, of a grass roots abolitionist veganism movement, then it is the absolute beginning, and I have to continue doing it whether I get to see any of the fruits of the labours in my lifetime or not. I will do it because it is all I can do. I cannot get hung up on results or tallies, because all I can do is be part of the beginning, and continue for the rest of my life. We are all human beings so we are all part of the problem. None of us is innocent, the only ones who are truly innocent are the animals. So I try also to remember that it is not about me. It is always about them.
Listen HEREThis week I talk about how as a vegan consumer in a capitalist society I am trying to work as best as I can in the system, as a consumer in my daily life, aside from the main focus of advocating to individuals for a paradigm shift, and opening people's minds up to a fundamentally different way of thinking about all other animals and life on the planet by promoting the abolitionist approach and veganism. I admit I am very uneducated about politics, history, agriculture, sociology, and a myriad of other extremely important subject matters related to vegan advocacy, so I will do my best to educate myself as best I can for the rest of my life, and in the meantime lean heavily on my colleagues and fellow advocates who ARE educated in these things :-)So this podcast is just some of my personal thoughts, as always, and I do appreciate any advice and constructive criticism. One of the things I touch on is how we can avoid buying from companies that are direct exploiters of animals and their products, i.e non vegan restaurants for example. The truth is, most of us can't. I mean, we can easily choose to avoid some of them (non vegan restaurants for example) but what about the supermarket? What about where we buy our clothing? What about where we buy our fruit and vegetables? My fruit and vege place sells eggs and ice cream bars. Some people are lucky enough to have access and money to buy all their products from purely vegan online suppliers, but I am not one of them.That is why I always affirm that I personally am part of the problem, which is one of the many reasons I feel such a strong urge to rectify the problem and why make it my personal responsibility to do so as best I can. Please keep in mind, this is nothing at all like some "Vegan Outreach" advocacy that says "oh don't make a fuss and try to be pure, just eat the egg product every now and then so people don't think we are too fanatical". No no no. I am an ethical vegan. I am, however, a human being, an active consumer, and I live in a speciesist society, and whether I like it or not, I am contributing to industries that exploit animals, even when I buy my fruit and veges from the fruit and vege store. BUT we must let the producers know we vegans exist—that there is a legitimate and lucritive demand for vegan products. I am not a supporter of capitalism, I would like to see a better system, but I also live in reality and face truths. Right now, today, I live in a capitalist society and am an active member and consumer in that society whether I like it or not. So in the meantime too, while we are still working for change, we must have a voice. It will grow to a thunderous roar, right now it is a whisper in the grand scheme of things. But that will change. Until it does; don't be shy! Demand vegan! Ask for vegan products. Enquire about vegan products. MENTION vegan products at the very least. Educate sellers and producers about the vegan consumer. Tell them it's a guaranteed sale. That'll prick up their greedy little ears.Note: I don't consider "prick up their ears" to be a bad animal metaphor. That is because the way I look at it; noting that some lovely animals have ears that can prick up and using it metaphorically for human animals whose ears don't prick up doesn't have anything to do with exploiting the animals whose ears do prick up, so I think this is an acceptable animal metaphor. Thoughts?There is SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT it is just an inexhaustible subject this animal exploitation, unfortunately. I wish we didn't have to talk about it, but we DO.This week I mentioned some other podcasts and blogs and I would like to provide those links here, but they are also in my blog link list too.Firstly I mentioned Gary Francione's latest episode from his Abolitionist Approach Commentary:A Discussion of Abolitionist PrincipalsRoger Yates from his On Human Nonhuman Relations podcast:Dehumanization Processes Part OneDehumanization Processes Part TwoVincent Guihan from We Other Animals and Animal Emancipation:We Other Animals RadioI must make a correction - the podcast is called We Other Animals Radio not Animal Emancipation. I am sorry!Sam Tucker from Food for Thought Radiofftradio podcast on iTunesAnd Jordan Wyatt from Jaywontdart's Podcast has a new blog and vegan podcast:Coexisting With Nonhuman AnimalsAnd this is the link to my favourite vegan restaurant in the whole world (especially since it is right here in Auckland NZ)Golden Age Vegan RestaurantThis is the video that Randy Sandberg posted:Consuming Kids: The Commercialization of Childhood. It is blood chilling, but watch it! Knowledge is power! This is all part of it too. Thanks Randy, this is a great find.Finally, I was wrong (in a good way) there ARE other actual physical vegan stores in the world. Here is one:The Pangea Store in Rockville Maryland. I am sure there must be others. Awesome!
Listen HEREPart one of the interview with special guest Gary L. FrancioneHere is a link to the website page I am working on about Adoption/Fostering and Sanctuaries. You can find links to some of the sanctuaries and rescue organisations we mentioned in there:http://nzvegan.wordpress.com/sanctuary-and-adoptionfostering/Thanks for listeningPart two is next
Listen HEREPart two of the interview with special guest Gary L. FrancioneHere is a link to the website page I am working on about Adoption/Fostering and Sanctuaries. You can find links to some of the sanctuaries and rescue organisations we mentioned in there:http://nzvegan.wordpress.com/sanctuary-and-adoptionfostering/Here is a link to the podcast Episode with Diane Ellis about Vegecat Vegan Cat Food: NZ Vegan Podcast Episode 60 - Special Guest Diane Ellis, spokesperson for Vegecat vegan cat foodThanks for listening and thank you Gary Francione for coming on the show.
LISTEN HEREThis week I revisit something that is old news but I think still very relevant for the coming year and all years of the vegan movement, which is that we have no excuse for not promoting veganism unequivocally."All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take." ~ GhandiI mention a discussion where things "clicked" for me and I always recommend to all advocates to listen to this discussion between Gary Francione and Erik Marcus: listen here or access it on the Abolitionist Approach audio page (scroll down to find the interview)I mention this article by Corey Wrenn: Academic Discrimination Against VegansHere is Randy Sandberg's fantastic Quotes on Slavery website where you can find a lot of history about the history of the Abolitionist Movement against slavery in the human context which can teach us a lot about the movement today to abolish all slavery, human and nonhuman.I mention that Peaceful Prairie Sanctuary residents need hay for the winter, but anyway they always need help and also I have links to some local sanctuaries and other rescue groups in NZ - please if you are going to donate money to anyone please donate directly to helping animals such as sanctuary, adoption and rescue, rather than to welfare campaigns and organisations.Here is a message of nonviolence for 2012 from Trish Roberts of Lobsa and LiveVegan: A Message of Nonviolence for 2012Here's a great new article just released by Dan Cudahy and Angel Flinn for the New Year: Make the Vegan ResolutionHere is a great new article by Vincent Guihan: Vegan Outreach: how not to do itHappy New Year everyone! :)UPDATE: I just want to add that this particular rant of mine was not a commentary on vegans who are unequivocal vegans in their own lives, and live vegan uncompromisingly, yet don't advocate it as such as an extra activity outside of normal life as vegans, because they are just not really interested in actually being an 'activist" as it were or they are advocating other social justice issues that take up all their free time, however they live vegan; it was specifically due to experiences with vegans who are welfare advocates, with whom I was discussing activism, and their preference of promoting welfare reform, their resistance to promoting veganism at all, and their absolute refusal to do it unequivocally.I recognise that these vegans and all vegans are challenging the status quo by being vegan, and are to an extent being advocates with regard to the example they set to those around them. I am glad for all vegans for being vegan. So I want that to be really clear. This is specifically in regard to the above-described position of welfare advocates.
Listen HEREThis week I am very pleased to welcome fellow abolitionist advocate Jeffrey Coolwater. You can find Jeffrey on twitter as MacVeganHere is the link to the blog article we discussed about Jeffrey's 10 "lost years" as a vegetarian, before he discovered veganism and abolition.Here is a link to the groundbreaking interview that we mention of Professor Gary L. Francioneon Vegan Freak RadioYou can find all the audio interviews of Professor Francione on the Audio Page of the Abolitionist Approach websitePlease read Gary Francione's books! (5 of which are available at the Auckland Library)Here is a link to the book Jeffrey mentioned by Bob and Jenna Torres: Vegan Freak: Being Vegan in a Non-Vegan World (Also available at the Auckland Library)This is the cartoon I talked about in the podcast. (HEE HEE!! I just love it!)~ Credit for this hilarious cartoon goes to Ignatz Ziller.Thanks so much Jeffrey for coming on the show!
Listen HEREA Revolution of the Heart by Gary FrancioneSingle Issue Campaigns - Pruning Exploitation - by Dan Cudahy and Angel Flinn - the podcast version can be found here at Live Vegan's YouTube pageThe ever important debate between Erik Marcus and Gary FrancioneMy previous podcast on the "you don't care about the animals who are suffering now" accusation.Our NZ Vegan Facebook PageOur OZVegan & NZVegan Facebook groupThe No Kill Movement
Listen HERE"People say that being a vegan creates a social problem in that others may react negatively. But isn't that the case if you take a principled position on any issue, whether it's racism, sexism, heterosexism, violence as a general matter—or speciesism? The key is to educate others about *why* you take the position." ~ Gary L. FrancioneLinks and articles and other things I talk about:The Vegan Times (website is http://vegan-times.com/) and also the Vegan Times Facebook page by Maya ShlayanVegan Cupcake Cards by Emmy James - PLEASE NOTE: correct link address is: http://emmyjames.com/vegancards.pdfVegan Information Stall at School by Clare WuShame, Shame: Vegan Stereotypes by Mylène Ouellet"Please stop apologising for refusing to participate in violence" ~ Live Vegan"Wherever the truth is injured, defend it" ~ George Bernard Shaw (not Bertrand Russell - my apologies!)Gary Francione's Facebook PageAnimals, Property and the Law by Gary Francione - a must read for all animal advocates!Am I Vegan? Clearly defining who is and is NOT vegan by Butterflies Katz"The Challenge of Going Vegan" (As Explained by a Non-Vegan) also by My Face is on Fire
This season of peace and goodwill, in our special Christmas show, we ask whether there will ever be peace on Earth. Steven Pinker, author of "Better Angels of Our Nature", says that human violence has decreased over the centuries, in some respects including violence to other animals. We talk to Professors Peter Singer and Gary Francione. The post Peace on Earth: will we ever have it? With Peter Singer and Gary Francione discussing Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels of our Nature" first appeared on THE VEGAN OPTION radio show and blog.
Vegcast 76 kicks off 2010 with an extra long, in depth interview with Gary Francione, whose Abolitionist Approach web site and podcast are gaining ground worldwide. Gary discusses how an activist movement must be founded on nonviolence and how people can now get a vegan message out and connect better without depending on large organizations. There is also a new song from Dada Veda looking forward to an improved social world. This is a larger download than most but it is worth it.
Vegcast 76 kicks off 2010 with an extra long, in depth interview with Gary Francione, whose Abolitionist Approach web site and podcast are gaining ground worldwide. Gary discusses how an activist movement must be founded on nonviolence and how people can now get a vegan message out and connect better without depending on large organizations. There is also a new song from Dada Veda looking forward to an improved social world. This is a larger download than most but it is worth it.
Show 83 features an interview with Eric Prescott, a Boston-based animal rights activist who is working on a variety of interesting projects, including a kiosk named OVED, a documentary series on Youtube called "I'm Vegan", the Boston Vegan Association, and his blog An Animal Friendly Life. Eric is an abolitionist who subscribes to the philosophy of Gary Francione. Eric explains the difference between abolitionist and welfarist approaches to animal activism, and is a living example of how to put abolitionist ideals into action. Our guest host is Meredith Madyda. In the news we cover Peta's 'Save The Whales' billboard, mad cow disease in the human blood supply, and yet another meat recall.
On our 65th show we feature an interview with Distinguished Professor of Law at Rutgers University Gary Francione. Professor Francione has been teaching animal rights and the law for more than 20 years, and he was the first academic to teach animal rights theory in an American law school. He is well known throughout the animal protection movement for his criticism of animal welfare law and the property status of nonhuman animals, and for his abolitionist theory of animal rights. We talk to him about his abolitionist position, his opposition to California's Proposition 2, his thoughts on successful vegan outreach, and more.in the news we talk about the Massachusetts Ballot Initiative on Greyhound Racing, Ellen Degeneres going Vegan, new research on Mad Cow Disease, and the effects of the vegan diet on Diabetes
Our 19th podcast is almost completely given over to an extra long interview with one of the founding fathers of the animal rights movement, Gary Francione, who has just started blogging. We find out what he thinks about the prospects for meaningful change in 2007. Before that comes a truncated Science Facts segment about the healthfulness, or lack thereof, of cows milk.
Our 19th podcast is almost completely given over to an extra long interview with one of the founding fathers of the animal rights movement, Gary Francione, who has just started blogging. We find out what he thinks about the prospects for meaningful change in 2007. Before that comes a truncated Science Facts segment about the healthfulness, or lack thereof, of cows milk.
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