Podcast appearances and mentions of Phil Vischer

This week, we’re joined by Mike Nawrocki, best known for his work in co-creating the beloved children’s series VeggieTales, and voice of Larry the Cucumber. Mike shares the leap of faith he took with college friend and VeggieTales co-creator Phil Vischer, the setbacks and devastating losses they faced along the way to create what would become an iconic staple for families all over, and how simple stories told by talking vegetables helped people understand just how much God loves them. Later, we’ll hear from Jennie Smythe, the CEO of Girlilla Marketing. Through the tragic cancer diagnosis that Jennie helped her father walk through, to her own battle with breast cancer, Jennie shares how life’s challenges have shown her that her security and identity rests in Jesus alone. Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned: Jesus Calling Podcast Jesus Calling Jesus Always Jesus Listens Past interview: Brandi Rhodes Upcoming interview: Becky Murray Jesus Calling commemorative edition Mike Nawrocki VeggieTales Phil Vischer Dead Sea Squirrels Christian and Missionary Alliance Crown College Jim Henson Peace Corps Everland Entertainment 3-2-1 Penguins Jonah My Utmost for His Highest The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything Lipscomb University Matthew West Mac Powell Ellie Holcomb www.mikenawrocki.com www.gominno.com Jennie Smythe Girlilla Marketing pancreatic cancer breast cancer www.girlillamarketing.com Becoming Girlilla Interview Quotes: “The Silly Songs helped the kids fall in love with Larry the Cucumber and the other characters to the point where they love this character, they trust this character, and they care what the character has to say about God making them special and loving them very much.” - Mike Nawrocki “We lost everything, so it was a really, really tough time. For me, from a kind of a personal and spiritual standpoint, it really made it clear to me how much I needed God in my life. It's like my only security can be found in my relationship with Jesus. That's really the only truly secure thing that there is in this world.” – Mike Nawrocki “It’s really neat to see kind of everything coming together and the heart of the [Dead Sea Squirrels series] and my wanting to do this in the first place was to share more of the gospel story, tell more New Testament stories, and share the gospel message with kids.” - Mike Nawrocki “While there’s nothing great to talk about in terms of pancreatic cancer and losing your father, what was amazing about that situation is that he gave me forgiveness.” - Jennie Smythe “I can’t help but think that my dad speaking to me at that time was a little bit of a divine intervention, and I am forever grateful for that.” - Jennie Smythe “As I was able to get better physically [from my cancer], I was also able to recognize the amazing things that I had. I just decided I wouldn’t have any bad days. I might have bad moments. I certainly still get angry and emotional, say the wrong things, don’t do the right things–you know—normal human behavior. But [I approach life] more from a place of appreciating that I wake up each day and I have the opportunity to make it the best day of my life.” - Jennie Smythe “It’s really important to show up when you are vulnerable and when you’re struggling, because you can really help people.” - Jennie Smythe ________________________ Enjoy watching these additional videos from Jesus Calling YouTube channel! Audio Episodes: https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7 Bonus Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer: https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C Peace for Everyday Life: https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj Peace in Uncertain Times: https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u What’s Good? https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj Enneagram: https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY ________________________ Connect with Jesus Calling Instagram Facebook Twitter Pinterest YouTube Website TikTok Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

This is our unabridged interview with Holy Post. Can you do insider critique with a sense of humor? You might know Phil Vischer as the creator of the beloved children's show VeggieTales, or Skye Jethani for his work as a pastor, speaker, and author. Both of them are long-time public Christian voices. These days, though, they find themselves hosting the Holy Post podcast, doing the hard work of insider critique of a Christian subculture that, in recent years, has boiled over with white nationalism, Trumpism, and many forms of injustice. In this episode, they discuss how they try to do their work with intelligence, care, and humor. Show Notes Resources: The Holy Post “What If Jesus Was Serious about Justice?” by Skye Jethani Francis Collins on Stephen Colbert Similar Episodes: Russell Moore and David French: How Should Christians Do Politics? David French: Conservatism Without Trumpism Francis Collins: The Road to Wisdom in an Age of Distrust Transcript Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community comes with bonus content, ad-free listening, and early access to tickets for our live shows. Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. Start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com. Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Can you do insider critique with a sense of humor? You might know Phil Vischer as the creator of the beloved children's show VeggieTales, or Skye Jethani for his work as a pastor, speaker, and author. Both of them are long-time public Christian voices. These days, though, they find themselves hosting the Holy Post podcast, doing the hard work of insider critique of a Christian subculture that, in recent years, has boiled over with white nationalism, Trumpism, and many forms of injustice. In this episode, they discuss how they try to do their work with intelligence, care, and humor. Show Notes Resources: The Holy Post “What If Jesus Was Serious about Justice?” by Skye Jethani Francis Collins on Stephen Colbert Similar Episodes: Russell Moore and David French: How Should Christians Do Politics? David French: Conservatism Without Trumpism Francis Collins: The Road to Wisdom in an Age of Distrust Transcript Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community comes with bonus content, ad-free listening, and early access to tickets for our live shows. Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. Start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com. Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Welcome, Neighbor! We're looking at old photos and solving old mysteries. Then, Phil Vischer is helping a non-profit spread the news that THEY NEED MONEY NOW MORE THAN EVER! And that support letter would have gone to spam with all the other support letters, except they are capitalizing on the CRISIS of a new President. Should non-profits take government money and then freak out when the government stops sending them money? Later: Poltics are terrible and they're just a huge distraction--and also trans people are being victimized you cry-baby witch. Thanks for listening to The Comedian Next Door on the Fight Laugh Feast Network! Email us at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com

Welcome, Neighbor! We're looking at old photos and solving old mysteries. Then, Phil Vischer is helping a non-profit spread the news that THEY NEED MONEY NOW MORE THAN EVER! And that support letter would have gone to spam with all the other support letters, except they are capitalizing on the CRISIS of a new President. Should non-profits take government money and then freak out when the government stops sending them money? Later: Poltics are terrible and they're just a huge distraction--and also trans people are being victimized you cry-baby witch. Thanks for listening to The Comedian Next Door on the Fight Laugh Feast Network! Email us at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com

Welcome, Neighbor! We're looking at old photos and solving old mysteries. Then, Phil Vischer is helping a non-profit spread the news that THEY NEED MONEY NOW MORE THAN EVER! And that support letter would have gone to spam with all the other support letters, except they are capitalizing on the CRISIS of a new President. Should non-profits take government money and then freak out when the government stops sending them money? Later: Poltics are terrible and they're just a huge distraction--and also trans people are being victimized you cry-baby witch. Thanks for listening to The Comedian Next Door on the Fight Laugh Feast Network! Email us at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com

Welcome, Neighbor! We're looking at old photos and solving old mysteries. Then, Phil Vischer is helping a non-profit spread the news that THEY NEED MONEY NOW MORE THAN EVER! And that support letter would have gone to spam with all the other support letters, except they are capitalizing on the CRISIS of a new President. Should non-profits take government money and then freak out when the government stops sending them money? Later: Poltics are terrible and they're just a huge distraction--and also trans people are being victimized you cry-baby witch. Thanks for listening to The Comedian Next Door on the Fight Laugh Feast Network! Email us at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com

SEND US A MESSAGE! We'd Love to Chat With you and Hear your thoughts! We'll read them on the next episode. How many podcasts have you listened to on race? How many books? How many christian-based seminars have you sat in to be reminded that america has a race problem? How many times have you heard the christian retort, "no! America has a sin problem!"I agree with the latter sentiment. However, even with all of this, it seems we've acquiesced to a toxic narrative that subverts the king-given mission of the church. The fruit is rearing its ugly head and it must be addressed ad nauseum! Our biggest threat isn't racism. Our biggest threat is how we have discussed it and are currently discussing it. Follow along with me.End Song: Breathe (feat. Jonathan Mcreynolds, Doe & Mav City Gospel Choir)Episode Links:The Holy Post Podcast #640Reverend J. H. JacksonSupport the showPlease Rate & Comment!Hosts: Brandon and Daren SmithWebsite: www.blackandblurred.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/blackandblurredPaypal: https://paypal.me/blackandblurredYouTube: Black and Blurred PodcastIG: @BlackandBlurredPodcastX: @Blurred_Podcast

Phil Vischer and co want you to believe that the mainstream media hasn't been lying to you for decades.

We're going to take a look at Julia Roberts' emotional plea for men to vote versus a sexually assaulted former Democrat. Remember when the VeggieTales creator came out and said that you can't follow the Sermon on the Mount and fight the culture wars? Weird… He's fighting a culture war right now. Imagine that. And, in an interview with Brett Baier, Kamala Harris is unable to defend her open borders obsession.Episode Links:Julia Roberts tells women that their life currently sucks. Women, therefore, must make the men in their lives vote for Kamala.  Only then will the little people be able to afford their rent and groceries. NEW: The Young Turks producer Ana Kasparian says she left the Democratic party after she was mol*sted by a homeless man with an er*ction in Los Angeles. Kasparian said she was shamed by liberals for stating that she felt fearful to leave her house after the incident.Telling word choice: Second Gentleperson Doug Emhoff calls the allegations that he hit his ex-girlfriend in the face “a distraction.” That's not a denial. Doug is a lawyer. His decision to pivot when asked about DV was a deliberate decision.Rev. Hoeun Lee of First United Church of Waterloo explains that hell is definitely not literal and that Jesus' violent rhetoric is reserved for those with a "narrow" understanding of the gospel of inclusion.That time Phil Vischer said a lot of evangelical pastors are Shepherds For Sale to the "petrochemical industry." "Pastors don't want to preach against fossil fuels when fossil fuels are paying the bills." These guys don't engage in culture wars, though…Bret Baier just ended Kamala Harris's campaign with the first question!There are so many clips I want to share, but Bret Baier saying, “I actually don't, what are you talking about,” was incredible. Watch this clip on Kamala turning the page:Alan's Soaps https://www.alansartisansoaps.comUse coupon code ‘TODD' to save an additional 10% off the bundle price.Bioptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/toddStart your journey to better health with MassZymes. Visit bioptimizers.com/todd today to get your MassZymes 10% off.  Bonefrog https://bonefrogcoffee.com/toddMake Bonefrog Cold Brew at home!  Use code TODD at checkout to receive 10% off your first purchase and 15% on subscriptions.Bulwark Capital Bulwark Capital Management (bulwarkcapitalmgmt.com)Learn about Bulwark's strategies with their FREE Common Cents Investing Guide. Get yours by calling 866-779-RISK or go to KnowYourRiskRadio.com.Renue Healthcare https://renue.healthcare/toddYour journey to a better life starts at Renue Healthcare. Visit renue.healthcare/Todd

The Veggie Tales people go after Matt Walsh and his new movie. And, Mark Zuckerberg from Meta/Facebook thinks he's done with politics. Maybe he's been faking us, but he thinks he's done with politics. Plus, for once, I actually know exactly what Kamala Harris was trying to say. She doesn't understand the concept, but I know the concept she's speaking about and it's something you should know. Episode Links:Are we ready for more braindead takes on @mattwalshblog's new film? Holy Post (the podcast of VeggieTales creator Phil Vischer) sure has 'em!Mark Zuckerberg Is Done With Politics; He was once a backer of liberal causes. Then everyone seemed to turn on him. Now he wants to stay away from politics — if that's possible.Kamala blames the border crisis and the invasion of millions of illegals on Trump. You can't make this up. She's literally the border czar and has been in office the past 4 years.Try to watch this and not get a headache. I have no idea what the heck this is supposed to mean.Alan's Soaps https://www.alansartisansoaps.comUse coupon code ‘TODD' to save an additional 10% off the bundle price.Bioptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/toddStart your journey to better health with MassZymes. Visit bioptimizers.com/todd today to get your MassZymes 10% off.  Bonefrog https://bonefrogcoffee.com/toddMake Bonefrog Cold Brew at home!  Use code TODD at checkout to receive 10% off your first purchase and 15% on subscriptions.Bulwark Capital Bulwark Capital Management (bulwarkcapitalmgmt.com) Learn about Bulwark's strategies with their FREE Common Cents Investing Guide.  Get yours by calling 866-779-RISK or go to KnowYourRiskRadio.com..GreenHaven Interactive   https://greenhaveninteractive.comGet more customers. Dominate Google. Renue Healthcare https://renue.healthcare/toddYour journey to a better life starts at Renue Healthcare. Visit renue.healthcare/Todd

In the last few years, various groups of evangelicals have gotten together to write position statements on cultural subjects for believers to sign onto in an effort to establish and gain consensus on some controversial things. Some have been good, some not so good. The latest one, called the “Confession of Evangelical Conviction,” aims to establish principles around political thought for Christians. The lead author of the statement is Skye Jethani, who co-hosts the Holy Post podcast with Phil Vischer, whom you probably know as the creator of Veggie Tales. Today, Alisa and Natasha talk through several of its major points using it as a case study of how commonly heard statements about politics within the church right now can sound good but are actually quite misleading.

Today, we're talking all about the recently-released Confession of Evangelical Conviction:-        What the confession is and what it says-        Why we signed it and got involved promoting it-        How the American church got to the point where a confession of very basic political theology like this is necessary-        And after that conversation, we talk the many layers of Christian nationalism involved in the debacle at Trump's recent trip to Arlington National CemeteryMentioned on the episode:-        The Confession of Evangelical Conviction, and the associated resources-        The video we produced to promote the confessionCredits-            Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our bonus episodes and other benefits at KTFPress.com.-        Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads.-        Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon.-        Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify.-        Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram.-        Editing by Multitude Productions-        Transcripts by Joyce Ambale and Sy Hoekstra.-        Production by Sy Hoekstra and our incredible subscribersTranscriptIntroduction[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes in a major scale, the first three ascending and the last three descending, with a keyboard pad playing the tonic in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Sy Hoekstra: When we first started doing this work and we published our anthology, we went on a couple of podcasts about it. A common thing that people asked of us at the time was, where do you think the White American church, where do you think the like 81 percent of the church, the White evangelical church that voted for Trump is going? And the first time I said it, I sort of surprised myself and I was like, look, it's being cut off the vine for not bearing good fruit and thrown in the fire. There's been a long time coming of a divorce, like a complete split between White evangelicals in America and followers of Jesus.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Welcome to Shake the Dust, seeking Jesus, confronting injustice. I'm Sy Hoekstra.Jonathan Walton: And I'm Jonathan Walton.Sy Hoekstra: We have a great show for you today. We're doing something a little bit different. We are talking about a bit of a movement, a little, a confession that we have signed onto that we're a part of that we're producing some media around that you may have seen by the time this episode comes out. And it's a confession of sort of evangelical faithfulness to Jesus in a political context. And it is probably a little bit off the beaten path of kind of some of the political commentary that we normally engage in. And we wanted to talk to you about why we think it is a good and strategic thing for us to do during this season, give you some of our thinking behind how we kind of strategize politically and think about ourselves as part of a larger theological and political movement.So I think this will be a really good conversation. We're also gonna get into our Which Tab Is Still Open and talk to you about Christian nationalism and whiteness through the lens of Donald Trump doing absurd things at Arlington National Cemetery [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: But we will get into all of that in a moment. Before we do, Jonathan Walton.Jonathan Walton: Hey, remember, if you like what you hear and read from us at KTF Press and would like for it to continue beyond the election season, I need you to do two things. Go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber. Now, you could also tell other people to do that as well if you've already done that. We've got a ways to go if we're going to have enough people to sustain the work, but we think it's valuable, and I hope you do too. So go to KTFPress.com, sign up, and that gets you all of the bonus episodes of this show, access to our monthly Zoom calls with the two of us and more. So again, KTFPress.com. Become a paid subscriber.What is the Evangelical Confession of Conviction, and Why Is KTF Involved?Sy Hoekstra: All right, Jonathan, let's get started in our conversation. We've signed onto this document called The Confession of Evangelical Conviction. We've produced some media around it. First of all, what is it and what does it say?Some Basic Political Theology That We Need to Restate at This Cultural Moment with UnityJonathan Walton: [laughs] Well, I think the question of what it is, it's words [Sy laughs]. Like there's these things that we put together, it's words. And I think the reason that it's powerful is because of when and how it's said. And so these are basic confessions that every Christian should believe, but it seems like the reason that we're doing it right now and that I've signed onto is because there are seasons when the discipleship and formation of the church needs to be plain and centered. And so being able to say, “I give allegiance to Christ alone,” and then have that be reverberated across denominations, across movements of quote- unquote, Christians around the country that are usually so disparate, they usually don't communicate, they usually disagree with each other in very public ways, to say, “Hey, hey, hey.”We need people to understand who don't follow Jesus, that when Gandhi said, “I like Christ, I don't like Christians,” that's part of the problem. We are part of that problem. Where we don't articulate what we know, what we believe, what we know to be true. I think this is an articulation of that, speaking particularly to a cultural and political and social moment that needs the clarity that Jesus can bring.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. So this is just to get into the weeds of it. It's a confession signed by I would say, the sort of extreme ends, at least to the people that we know about right now, I don't know who's gonna sign it in future, but center-right to more progressive left. And the basic confessions, like the seven statements of the confession are, “We give our allegiance to Jesus Christ alone. We will lead with love, not fear. We submit to the truth of Scripture. We believe the Gospel heals every worldly division. We are committed to the prophetic mission of the Church. We value every person as created in God's image.” And “We recognize godly leaders by their character.” So this is very basic theology [laughs] like you said. And you got a little bit at why it matters to put this out there, why we are involved. I agree with you. I think it's more about the context and it's also about who is saying it more than it is about the content.Because, and by the way, we should say we are giving you our reasons for signing this and why we think it's important. This is not… like there's a group of people that were involved in writing it, so there's lots of people involved who we don't know precisely why they signed [laughs] or precisely why the people who wrote it decided it was necessary. We're talking to you about our opinions. So to me, if you have something that says we pledge our allegiance to Christ alone, that's a rebuke of Christian nationalism to me.We judge godly leaders by their character, that's a rebuke of people who argue that Trump is a godly leader or a leader who has been appointed by God in some way or another. So those are important things to say. And it's with people across a pretty big spectrum of, as I said, the political range. Would Jonathan and I go a lot further than this if we said what we thought is important for political discipleship? Yes, we would, and you know that, because you've heard our other episodes. Or if you haven't, go listen to our other episodes [laughs]. We would go a lot further than that, yes. But we think, I think it's good to work with a broad range of people during a political campaign.Reaching a Broad Audience and Pushing the American Church to ChangeSy Hoekstra: Like I think when you're talking about discipleship at a moment when tensions are extremely high around theology and politics, it is good to do these kinds of things where you are trying to scale your efforts.Where you're trying to reach as many people as possible in the hopes that you will change some minds, both so that they will more faithfully follow Jesus, and in this specific context, so they won't vote for Donald Trump. That's one of my personal reasons for being involved in this [laughs]. And that's how you do campaigns in general. That's how campaigns operate. You try and call as many people as you can. You try and put commercials out there as widely as you can toward your targeted audience, whatever. Not in the hopes that the vast majority of the people who see it are going to suddenly be like, “Oh my goodness, I agree with everything you say,” but in the hopes that you'll reach enough of the people whose minds you can change to make a difference in their decision when it comes to November.You will reach them and you will start to be one of the people who affects their choices, is what I'm trying to say. So I don't know, that's kind of the strategy of it from my point of view. It is a similar way of thinking to me from the anthology. When we published the anthology four years ago, it was different because we were letting people say their own beliefs. And it was people from all over the spectrum kind of saying why they weren't voting for Trump in whatever way they saw fit [laughs], on whatever topic they saw fit. That was our approach. But this is the way some other people are going to do it, and we're gonna be happy to work with them in that way.Jonathan Walton: I think for me, I see the political strategy of it. I see the strategery that's happening, to use a word from SNL. My hope is that…Sy Hoekstra: From SNL 25 years ago [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. My hope… [laughs]. It was such a great sketch. “Strategery,” it was so good. “I'm the decider” [Sy laughs]. So I think one of the things that stands out to me, particularly in reviewing it more and assign it and then come on board, is, I hope that this is a Belhar Confession type moment for the United States and followers of Jesus. Particularly, because when we look at the Dutch Reformed Church, the Dutch Reformed Church was the theological backbone and framework for apartheid in South Africa. They gave the covering for those things to happen. It gave theological and moral legitimacy to a movement that was oppressive, violent, exploitative, and un-Christian at every level. Because there are Christian leaders who are willing to say, “You know what? This is really good. This is actually right. This is good and just, and God intended this.” And we have the exact same type of nonsense happening in the United States.There are quote- unquote, prophets and apostles and preachers and teachers and publishing houses and Amazon independent book publishers rolling out materials that say, “America first.” America is the kingdom of God. America is the kingdom of heaven. America is this baptized land on the earth, as opposed to being a land that is rooted in land theft, genocide, violence, patriarchy, greed and exploitation. Which it is that. It's actually not the kingdom of God at all. And so I hope that this creates a groundswell that goes beyond November 5th and beyond January 20th. And could this be a pivot point of orientation for people who followed Jesus to say, “You know what? Actually Jesus didn't say any of that.” If all of these people, right, left, middle, above, otherwise are saying this, maybe I should consider. “Oh, Randall Balmer said that, and Mercy Aiken” [Sy laughs]? “Shane was there too? Alright. Shane is on the same page as Curtis Chang and Sandra Van Opstal? Alright, let me jump in and get on this.” That's what I hope happens, is that it becomes impossible to avoid the question of allegiance to Jesus, or allegiance to the United States. Just like in South Africa the question was, are you pledging allegiance to apartheid or are you gonna follow Jesus?Sy Hoekstra: I totally agree with that. And I would say that it is 100 percent in line with the sort of premise of this podcast, which is helping people shake the dust and walk away [laughs] from the places where the word of God is not accepted as Jesus put it. And you let your peace return to you and you move along on your way.Jonathan Walton: Yes.How Did We Get to the Point Where This Confession Is Necessary?Sy Hoekstra: So let's actually talk about that thing that you were just saying. The thing where all these people from these different walks of life are coming together to make this specific statement at this time. How did we get here, aside from the obvious thing that Donald Trump is very good at uniting people who oppose him [laughter]. How did we get to this point in the church in America?Jonathan Walton: I think we need to narrow the scope a little bit.Sy Hoekstra: Okay.Jonathan Walton: Of how we got to this point, I think I would start at Acts 2 [laughter]. But, and then the church and then the alliance with the empire to escape persecution. Constantinople like Nicea, I mean…Sy Hoekstra: Let's focus on America.Jonathan Walton: Yeah, let's focus on the United States.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Zoom in a little bit.The Moral Majority Took Us Very Far down a Path Away from JesusJonathan Walton: I think that one of the pivot points in the United States is 2008 in the ascendance of Barack Obama. With Barack Obama, you have what was roiling and starting with Al Gore, but like can Christians vote for Democrats and still be Christians? Because with the ascendance of the moral majority, with what Randall Balmer talks about this coalescing around abortion as a position, and then the policies laid out by Jerry Falwell. And there was a conference in 1979 in Houston. Lots of organizations came out of that gathering. And so when those types of things occur, I think we are living in the wake of that wave, but that wave wasn't really challenged until 2008 when many, many, many, many people said, “Oh, I wanna vote for Barack Obama.”And so with the ascendance of Obama, then the question particularly among the Black community from evangelical Christians is like, can you be a Christian and vote for Obama? And that was talked about extensively in Tamice's book, Faith Unleavened, which is amazing. And that scene that she describes of the dissonance between the White evangelical church that she was sitting in, and the conversation she was having with her grandma on the phone, who she called Momma.Sy Hoekstra: Where her family was having a party because Obama had been elected and her White church was having a mournful prayer service.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. I think a lament session basically, for the United States being now overtaken by a demonic force. And so I think if we start there and move forward, like if this was a ray coming from a point, then the line actually starts to diverge from there, from the center point. And now we are actually so far apart that it's very, very difficult to justify what's happening. So if we're at our end points right now, we have followers of Jesus legitimizing sexual violence by saying Trump is fine. You have followers of Jesus legitimizing fraud, saying that that's fine. You have followers of Jesus legitimizing insurrection, saying that's fine. We are way, way down the road and very far apart from these basic confessions.And so I think people that are co-opted and indoctrinated by Fox News and the conservative White evangelical and conservative Catholic and conservative… because there's a smattering of Christian movements that have so aligned themselves with political power that it is very apparent even to non-Christians, that this is not Christ-like. And so I think for us, similar to the church in South Africa, to say, “Hey, we need to just make very plain every person is made in the image of God, and you shouldn't enslave, violate and steal from people.”If we could articulate that and do that, and have a movement around that, then I think that is how we got here, is that basic tenets of following Jesus have stayed the same, but forces, institutional, the powers, the principalities, and also people who chose to align themselves with that have taken the ball and run so far down the road that even people who don't follow Jesus and folks who just have basic biblical engagement are seeing that this is just not the way. And so I think followers of Jesus across the spectrum are starting to say, “You know what? This is a moment that we can actually speak into.”The White Evangelical ChurchA Divorce between White Evangelicals and Followers of JesusSy Hoekstra: Yeah, I agree with all that. I think, I mean, look, when we first started doing this work and we published our anthology, we went on a couple of podcasts about it. A common thing that people asked of us at the time was, where do you think the American church, where do you think the like 81 percent of the church, the White evangelical church that voted for Trump is going?” And the first time I said it, I sort of surprised myself, but I was like, “Look, it's being cut off the vine for not bearing good fruit and thrown in the fire.” That's it. There's been a long time coming of a divorce, like a complete split, I think, between White evangelicals in America and followers of Jesus.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: White evangelicals have had a whole long history of being involved in, as you said, in the exact same way that the Dutch Reformed Church was involved in apartheid, just being involved in everything. Every [laughs] terrible thing America's ever done, we've been there cheering it on and supporting it in all kinds of ways. And I think a lot of what Trump in particular, and it's sometimes a little bit hard to put my finger on why it was him, but Trump in particular, I think highlighted to a lot of Christians who viewed themselves as kind of like just nice, gentle, center right Christians who were a part of a larger movement where maybe there were some people who were a little bit off the deep end, but overall, these institutions and these people are trying to accomplish good things in the world and follow Jesus faithfully, realized that that wasn't the case.I think there are a lot of people who realized that they actually had opinions about what it meant to follow Jesus that were dramatically different than the average person in their institutions, or the average evangelical Republican.Policy Debates for White Evangelicals Have Been a Cover for Power HungerSy Hoekstra: Peter Wehner, I think would be one of these people, who writes for the New York Times. He was a George W. Bush speech writer. He recently wrote an article saying, “Look, Donald Trump has explicitly said that if you took one of these super restrictive state abortion bans and you passed it in Congress and you put it on my desk, I would veto it. I would not pass a national abortion ban.”Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Which for the pro-life movement, that's the end goal. That would be [laughs], that would be the thing they've been fighting for for decades [Jonathan laughs]. And he has said, “I will not sign this.” And do you hear anything about that from Franklin Graham [laughs]?Jonathan Walton: So Al Mohler was on the Run-Up of the New York Times this week, when you listen to this probably like two weeks ago, talking about how, “Hey, Donald Trump just said he's not gonna sign a national abortion ban. What's your position on that?” And his position hasn't changed, because again, it is framed as you all are the radical people, not us. We are the victims, not you. There's a constant revision of reality that they are gonna continue to turn out and communicate that is rooted in fear and a lust for power and control and dominance. And that is toxic as all get-out, and obviously un-Christian.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, that was the end of my point, was that a thing that people have been arguing for a long time, which is that, this focus on abortion, this focus on prayer in school, or this focus on whatever the evangelical issue of the day is, has in fact been about power from the perspective of the leaders.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Maybe not the rank -in-file people like marching and the March for Life or whatever.Jonathan Walton: Exactly.Sy Hoekstra: But the leaders are after power, and they always have been. That's what, if you go back a couple years to our episode with Mako Nagasawa, the first episode of season two where we talked about abortion. That's what his whole book is about, is the history of abortion policy and how it's almost never been about abortion. It's almost always been about something else like anti-immigrant sentiment or professionalizing the medical profession or whatever. It's always been about some other issue of people trying to establish themselves and gain power over somebody else. That's what I think a lot of people are realizing, and so a lot of people who are, I think more to the right in the group of people who have signed this document that we have are on that journey, like are in the middle of it.Or not in the middle of it, but they've been going on it for a few years and they've been rejected by who they thought were their people for saying things like, “Hey, should we maybe adhere a little more closely to the teachings of Jesus?” [laughs] And now they're saying, okay, they've gotten to a point where they're like, “I need to draw a line in the sand. I need to make something clear here.” And that I think is different. That is genuinely different than eight years ago when everybody was, a lot of people in the middle were just kind of waffling.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Yeah, right.Sy Hoekstra: Were not really sure what to do yet. And they still viewed the people on the far right who were all in for Trump as possibly a minority on their side, or possibly just something like a phase people were going through. Something that would flare up and then die, and it just didn't turn out that way. I think that's kind of how I view a lot of how we got to the place that we are now.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Again, zoomed in on America and not looking at the entirety of church history, which is where you wanted to go [laughter].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. And I mean, and I'll name some of the people that are key to that. So, Kristin Kobes Du Mez, like her book Jesus and John Wayne, Jemar Tisby's book, The Color of Compromise. And we could also throw in some Christianity adjacent, but loved by them books as well. So like all of the quote- unquote, anti-racist books, where people who are trying to leave the race-based, class-based, gender-based environmental hierarchy that White evangelicalism enforces, like I wrote about that in Twelve Lies as an explicit book. But you could say that Ibram X. Kendi's book is trying to get away from that. That White Fragility is trying to get away from that. That all of these books pushing back against [laughs], what now is called like Trad Wife and all these different things, it's trying to push back against these things. They're trying to call people to another reality because the one that some people have found themselves in is deeply unhelpful and not Christian.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. I feel like that's been like you're refrain of this podcast. “And also, not Christian” [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Not Christian. Right.Sy Hoekstra: And not Jesus.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Do we have any other thoughts on this subject, or do we want to jump into our segment?Jonathan Walton: I just think people should go sign it.Sy Hoekstra: Oh, yeah.Jonathan Walton: And there's a fun bible study there that [laughs] we talked about two weeks ago on the podcast and spread the word about it. I think it's gonna be a good thing.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, the link to the website, the people who organized it, Jonathan said, “Hey, you can put the Bible study that we talked about in our last episode up, if you want a place for people to go to scripture on these subjects.” And they did.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: So that's cool. We will have the link to the confession in the show notes, as well as the link to the video that we created, which has a bunch of the signers of the confession reading parts of it, which we would love it if you would all share as widely as possible on your social media, and share the confession as well. We hope that this, as I said, changes somebody's hearts and minds, has some good effect on some people both in their discipleship and in their politics, which is what we're all about.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Amen. There's actually a worship album that came out too. So along with Phil Vischer's cartoons for kids that can be shown in churches, there's a Return to Love album by a bunch of folks that you all may know like Will Matthews, Crystal Lewis, Ryan Edgar. These are folks that have led worship in great places that the evangelical world has followed for a long time. And so having worship leaders willing to call us out as well is pretty great. Along with Phil Vischer, because these videos will definitely be great for kids.Sy Hoekstra: Is that worship album already out?Jonathan Walton: Yeah, it's out right now [laughs]. You could click on it.Sy Hoekstra: I don't know how they did that that fast. That's incredible [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Hey man, listen. There's a thing called the Holy Spirit.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: And I think we all know that when Jesus moves, Jesus can do some things.Which Tab Is Still Open?: Trump at ArlingtonJonathan Walton: And so let's get into our segment, Which Tab Is Still Open?, where we dive a little deeper into one of our recommendations from the newsletter. And remember, you can get our newsletter for free by signing up for the mailing list at KTFPress.com. You'll get recommendations on articles, podcasts, and other media from both of us on things that will help you in your political education and discipleship. Plus, you'll get reflections to keep you grounded and hopeful as we engage in this challenging work together. News about KTF and what's going on, and a lot more. So go get that free subscription and a paid one too. Alright. So this is your recommendation, so let's jump into it.Sy Hoekstra: This actually has a lot to do with what we were just talking about.Jonathan Walton: Yes, it does.Sy Hoekstra: This is all about Christian Nationalism [laughter]. And Trump kind of stepping in it when it comes to dealing with his Christian Nationalist followers. So here's the story, and the article that I recommended in the newsletter was actually, it both gave the details of the story, but it was actually for me, an example of kind of the thing that I was critiquing [laughs]. It was an Atlantic article, and basically the facts of what happened are as follows. Trump went to Arlington National Cemetery, which if you don't know, is I just learned the second, not actually the largest, the second largest national cemetery in the country.Jonathan Walton: Oh. Huh.Sy Hoekstra: The largest one's on Long Island, Jonathan, I had no idea.Jonathan Walton: What!Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Yeah.Jonathan Walton: [laughs] I did not know that.Sy Hoekstra: So the people who are buried in Arlington are soldiers who served in active duty. Some of them died, some of them were retired and passed away later. And then like very high ranking government officials, like Supreme Court justices or presidents or whatever. So Trump went and visited a specific spot that had I think 13 soldiers who died during the evacuation of Afghanistan when there was a suicide bomb attack from the Taliban.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And he did this basically to highlight Biden administration screw ups. You didn't handle this evacuation well. And so because Harris is part of the administration, he's criticizing his opponent. And he went and took some pictures, which is fine, but he then was like specifically taking pictures in this area and like narrating a video talking about Biden screw ups and everything. And an employee of the cemetery pointed out correctly that campaign activities are illegal under federal law [laughs] at Arlington National Cemetery. And they kept going anyways. And they got in a little bit of an argument with her, and then later to the press said that she is mentally ill and was having a mental health crisis in that moment, and that she needed to be fired.And, fortunately the cemeteries said, “No, that's all a lie, and she was correctly telling you that you shouldn't have been doing what you were doing and et cetera.”Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: But there were a number of people, and I don't know if this is a majority or anything like that, but there were actually some Trump supporters who viewed this as a violation, like something that Trump really shouldn't have done. He was being disrespectful to the dead, the troops who were there, by doing partisan stuff at the National cemetery. It was not necessarily about the things that he was saying, but just by conducting yourself in a way that you're not supposed to conduct yourself at a national cemetery.Sy's Experience with Arlington and it's Strong Christian NationalismSo here's my in for this. I have a very long history of military [laughs] service in my family. Somebody in my family went on Ancestry.com one time, and I have a direct ancestor who was a drummer boy in the Continental Army with George Washington [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Oh, wow.Sy Hoekstra: And somebody who enlisted in the Union Army during the Civil War. And my great-grandfather was in World War II in Korea, grandfather was in Vietnam. And my grandfather who was in Vietnam, he died when I was about 10. My grandmother remarried a very highly decorated army colonel also from Vietnam, who he passed away and we had a funeral for him at Arlington. And Arlington does like 20, 30 funerals a day. So if you're a rank-in-file soldier, it's like a very, it's an in and out thing [laughs]. But because of either his rank or his awards or both [laughs], it was an event, Jonathan. It was like, we had the bigger, more beautiful chapel, and then we had a procession, because I can't see, I can't tell you how many it was, but at the very least, dozens of soldiers with a commanding officer taking his casket from the church to the burial site, there was a 21-gun salute. There was the presentation of the flag with the shell cases from the 21-gun salute to my grandmother. It was a big thing.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And if you've been to Arlington, you know that one of the key messages there is that the people who served America and the army served the kingdom of God, served Jesus. That is what they did. They served, and they may have died serving heaven [laughs] effectively. And so what that means is this is one of the holiest sites for Christian nationalism. This is one of the places where you go to be reassured with some of the highest level, like some of the world's greatest pomp and circumstance. The world's most convincing showing of pageantry and religious activity that the United States Army and the people who died serving it are also serving God, which is, you can't get more Christian nationalist than that.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Which is also why we have talked about Christian nationalism, actually far more common than people think it is [laughs]. It is absolutely normal in how we talk about the military. So what I think happened here with Trump is that because what I believe about Trump is that he's a conman to the core. He is pure... he's like self-interest incarnate [laughs]. He is out to promote Donald Trump and nothing more, and nobody more than that.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: I think he forgot that his self-interest can actually diverge from Christian nationalism [laughs]. I think that he forgot that he can step on his people's toes in a way that he doesn't want to. And he's basically going to look out for where those things diverge in future in order to not have this happen again. Because he's just there doing what he does, which is promoting himself anytime, anywhere at all costs. And he forgot that one of the things that he harnesses, which is Christian nationalism, is not actually something that he believes in, and so he can misfire [laughs]. The irony to me is that I want to gain enough power to do anything and not be held accountable for it to better myself in my own position, is a pretty good summary of how kind of the operating principle of the US military in our foreign policy has been for so long.So it's actually, it's like [laughs], it's two entities, a former president and the US military kind of clashing in their basically excuse making for their own unaccountability and their own sin. Which is how I view the Christian nationalism of a place like Arlington. What I just said Jonathan, is [laughs] blasphemy to a [laughs] lot of the people that I probably, to some people that I know personally. So I will just acknowledge that. But that is what I believe, and I think is true to the Bible. So hopefully you can at least give me that credit [Jonathan laughs]. Jonathan, boy, did I just talk for a long time. I'm sorry. I actually had in the outline that I wanted to ask you first what your thoughts were before I went on my rant, and I just couldn't help myself. So, [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Well, Sy, I mean…Sy Hoekstra: Jonathan, what are your thoughts?Jonathan Walton: I think one, I just appreciated the explanation of the closeness, why it's still open for you. Because I think when I was writing Twelve Lies, I wrote about the military, and I wanted to say, “Oh, they're only going to these types of communities to get people.” That would've been my hypothesis or was my hypothesis, but the research proved different.Sy Hoekstra: And when you say that, you specifically mean exploiting like poor Black and Brown neighborhoods?Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: You're saying like, “We'll get you into college, we'll give you benefits, et cetera, if you come fight and die for us.”Jonathan Walton: Exactly. And so…Sy Hoekstra: Potentially die for us.Jonathan Walton: Right, there's this exchange that's gonna happen for your body. Whether alive or dead, there will be benefits and resources for you or your loved ones. And so I went in with that lens, but what my research showed me was that the majority of people who serve in the military are family. Their parents were in it, their grandparents were in it, their cousin was in it. It's actually like only about two percent of the United States population is affiliated with the military. We're recruiting from the same groups of people. And this would also be true for law enforcement. People who were in it essentially raise their children and bless and send them into it as well as most often. It's not actually about income.The income, if I remember correctly, was between 50 to 70 thousand dollars a year in a household, which in a rural area is at the time, 10 years ago, felt like a living wage. And so that reality was also something that's interesting for me. So when Trump came out against Mark Milley, when Mark Milley challenged him to say, “Hey, you will not use me, quote- unquote, the military, as a prop in your racism, standing in front of St. John's church holding that Bible up,” which was literally the distorted cover of our book, our anthology, because these things were happening. When he insulted John McCain, that was a moment where the military and I think those who are beholden to Christian nationalism tried to speak up. Tried to say, “Hey, we won't do this.” But then the ball continued down the road.I don't know what the fallout of the Arlington stuff will be, but I do know based on Up First the NPR podcast this morning in the morning that we're recording September the seventh, they said the military and the employees actually let this go. But the reason they brought it back up was because Trump got on Truth Social , used platform and stature to say, “This did not happen. There was no altercation. This person had a mental health episode.” And when you go into that, that's where I think the, “We will not be disrespected” thing kind of came up. Like what do you mean? No, we're gonna talk about this and we're gonna name that. You will not desecrate this holy site. Holy in holy site of Christian nationalism, as you were saying.So I hope that there are more people that are offended, because I think that if we allow ourselves to be offended, to be bothered, to be uncomfortable, then maybe there will be some movement. Because I think you're absolutely right. He is, you said self-interest incarnate. I think that is a great quote [laughs].Trump Cheapened the Spiritual Cost People Pay to Be in the MilitaryJonathan Walton: What's painful to me, so I too have, my father was in Vietnam. My brother was in the Navy, my uncle was in the Army. My other uncles were in Vietnam. And Brodnax, the town where I'm from, has many gravestones from Vietnam and Korea. And so what is fascinating to me is the level of belief that you have to have to commit acts of atrocity or commit acts of violence. Like Shane Claiborne would say, we were not made to kill people, you have to be taught to do that.And I am in no way condemning a soldier or a person who's in military service, who's listening. That's not what I'm saying. I'm observing, it costs us something to do these things. And I think the thing that Trump did was cheapen the cost that many, many, many thousands of people have paid for something that they thought was a collective interest blessed by God when Trump said, “No, you are a pawn in my game. And I will use you for my benefit.” Now you again, you will have people that say that's what's happening anyway. Trump is just doing in like what everybody else does behind closed doors. But I think that tension that he articulates or brings up for us, I hope it's allowed to rise to the surface, and then we can have a conversation about the cost.Like the silent war in the military right now is that even soldiers who have not seen active duty are committing suicide. I hope it brings to the surface the, like my dad, Agent Orange ruined some of his life. They're still figuring out what the effects of that were. You have people who are saying they support troops in one hand, but then voting against resources and benefits for them in the other hand, when the legislation comes up. Lauren Boebert did that yesterday. I hope that the perceived belovedness of our veterans and military versus the reality of how they're exploited and taken advantage of and dismissed and cast aside, we would actually acknowledge that and then do real work to ensure that they don't end up on the street.They don't end up stuck on painkillers. They do get the medical resources they need. They do get the mental health support that they need. Their families do get the resources that they need on and off-base and not just a discount at the PX. If that could be the conversation because of this, then I'd be very glad.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. Just one more thing you said there. You said lots of people use the military as pawns and it's true. Or like props for their campaigns. It is just another one of those things about Trump where he will just do what everybody else did, but he'll turn it up to 11 [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah, no, yeah. It's true.Sy Hoekstra: Everybody else, every politician, if they have a military background, if their family does, if they can visit a military site or whatever, they do it all the time. And even if their love for the military or for America is real, it is also true that they use them for their campaigns [laughs]. Use them to prop up. That has been… since we elected George Washington, the general of the Continental Army, has been true [laughter]. Right?Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: So Trump is just the one who says, “Whatever your rules of decorum are, I'm going to break them.” And in most cases, that is actually his appeal. “Yes. I break rules of decorum and there's no consequences. And that's because these elitist can't tell me what to do and we need to take back power.Jonathan Walton: Oh Lord have mercy, Jesus [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: You need someone like me who can just break through all this nonsense.” You know what I mean?Jonathan Walton: Right. Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: That's usually his appeal. And in this case, it just happened to be that he crossed the wrong line for some people. I'm sure there's a lot of people who probably don't care [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right. It may not wrangle a lot of people, but I hope it wrangles the right people.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And him stretching out this poop that he stepped on and not wiping it off his foot and continue his campaign, I hope that roils people. He is a disrespectful person.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And for Christians, literally James chapter four, it's that God opposes the proud. We are called to be humble people, and so I pray for Trump. I pray for his family. Not that he would win an election and all those things, but literally that they would come to know Jesus. Literally that they would know the freedom in him. Literally, that they would be able to experience the freedom that money cannot purchase and privilege cannot provide for you. And so I say all these things in hopes that everyone who is watching what happens is disquieted because we should not be comfortable with what's happening. Especially as followers of Jesus [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. Amen to that Jonathan. Amen.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: I think we'll wrap it up there. Just as a reminder, as we finish, please again, go to KTFPress.com, get that newsletter and sign up as a paid subscriber to support everything that we do. We're centering and elevating marginalized voices. We're helping people seek Jesus in their discipleship and in their politics. We really do need some more support than we have right now if we're gonna make this sustainable kind of past this election season. So please do come and sign up as a paid subscriber at KTFPress.com. Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra. Our podcast Art is by Robyn Burgess, transcripts by Joyce Ambale, editing by Multitude Productions. I am the producer along with our lovely paid subscribers. Thank you so much for joining us, and we will see you in two weeks.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Jonathan Walton: Give me one second. One moment. I'm gonna get the name right so that you don't have to go edit this later [Sy laughs]. … So yes, we… Robert Mohler. The—Richard Mohler. Al Mohler. That's his name [Sy laughs]. Al Mohler [laughs]. 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Send us a Text Message.In this engaging episode of the Healing the City podcast, Pastor Eric resumes his conversation with Henry Deese, a PhD student in evolutionary biology. Henrey introduces an interpretive model for reading scripture, offering fresh insights into God's sovereignty, His reign over creation, and His plan to renew all things. Prepare for an enlightening discussion that will expand your understanding of faith and God's redemptive work in the world. What is Science/History of Evolution-Creation Debate-Non-Overlapping Magesteria: https://caspar.bgsu.edu/~courses/4510/Classes/48A078B0-8402-4995-9161-A2C418612C75_files/Gould_97.pdf-Brief primer on the Topic by Phil Vischer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A4ab-ldKqEA Better Theology than YEC-Theology in the Raw with John Walton: https://theologyintheraw.com/podcast/812-the-bible-and-science-friend-or-foes-dr-john-walton/-More on Walton's Interpretation:-https://biologos.org/series/genesis-creation-and-ancient-interpreters-in-the-garden/articles/genesis-creation-and-ancient-interpreters-the-beginning-https://biologos.org/series/reflections-on-the-lost-world-of-genesis-1-by-john-walton/articles/material-or-function-in-genesis-1-john-walton-responds-Theology in the Raw with Tremper Longman      Spotify Link 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1BEB8rcaGqh5QX568ziJZd?si=9fcf359d55544766 -Bible Project on Adam and Eve as Priests: https://bibleproject.com/articles/were-adam-and-eve-priests-eden/Support the Show."Healing the City" is a profound and dynamic weekly podcast that dives into the complexities of creating healthier communities. Featuring the voices and perspectives of the esteemed members of the Village Church, each episode is thoughtfully crafted to address the challenges and opportunities for meaningful change in our cities. With a holistic approach to healing, the podcast explores a wide range of topics, from soul care and spiritual direction to mental health and community involvement. It provides listeners with insightful and thought-provoking perspectives on the issues facing our cities, as well as practical steps they can take to make a difference. Join hosts Corey Gilchrist, Eric Cepin, Ashley Cousineau, Jessica Dennes, Michael Cousineau, Mark Crawford, and Susan Cepin as they navigate the complexities of our communities with wisdom, grace, and a deep commitment to positive change. Through their engaging discussions, listeners will be inspired to become active participants in healing the city and creating a brighter, healthier future for all. The Village Churchvillagersonline@gmail.comThe Village Church meets at 10a and 5p on Sundays1926 N Cloverland Ave, Tucson AZ 85712Mail: PO Box 30790, Tucson AZ 85751

Liars gonna lie, and Phil does not disappoint as he fibs about Megan Basham's upcoming book, Shepherds for Sale. Also, how about my daughter's sly photo-bomb at the 3:45 mark!

Here is the trailer for Kaitlyn Schiess's new podcast, Curiously Kaitlyn! It'll make you laugh. It'll make you cry. It'll make you actually be able to understand profound theological truths like never before! Follow today so you don't miss out!

Responding to questions from listeners about the roles of men and women in marriage, can a wife disagree with her husband and how to disagree respectfully, and confronting Phil Vischer of The Holy Post and his reimagined gospel. Visit wwutt.com for all our videos!

There's never ever ever ever ever been a show like...this episode of Outstanding. On this podcast, most of our conversations and guests fall squarely on the conservative end of the Christian spectrum. But sometimes it's good to talk to tomatoes. While he's not quite a tomato himself, Phil Vischer has played one on TV. The wildly creative Vischer joins host Joseph Backholm as they explore Christian nationalism from all angles of the political spectrum. While we may not agree with the "Veggie Tales" creator on everything, Phil and Joseph prove that good conversation is still possible even in disagreement. Have we got a show for you...

There's never ever ever ever ever been a show like...this episode of Outstanding.  On this podcast, most of our conversations and guests fall squarely on the conservative end of the Christian spectrum.  But sometimes it's good to talk to tomatoes.  While he's not quite a tomato himself, Phil Vischer has played one on TV.  The wildly creative Vischer joins host Joseph Backholm as they explore Christian nationalism from all angles of the political spectrum.  While we may not agree with the "Veggie Tales" creator on everything, Phil and Joseph prove that good conversation is still possible even in disagreement.  Have we got a show for you... Read ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Washington Stand⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, featuring news and commentary from a biblical worldview. Published by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Family Research Council⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Producer Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland are the creative team behind a new nationwide documentary releasing on February 16 called GOD + COUNTRY.The documentary explores the threatening and widespread rise of Christian Nationalism. As a Jewish man, Rob has seen the rise of dangerous tides and is passionate it doesn't happen again. GOD + COUNTRY asks: What happens when a faith built on love, sacrifice, and forgiveness grows political tentacles, conflating power, money, and belief into hyper-nationalism? It features prominent Christian thought leaders featured as NYT columnists and other mainstream forums including: David French, Kristen Du Mez, Russell Moore, Phil Vischer, Rev. William Barber, Sister Simone Campbell, Rob Schenck and more. Here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTQKmR6a9fw

Producer Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland are the creative team behind a new nationwide documentary releasing on February 16 called GOD + COUNTRY.The documentary explores the threatening and widespread rise of Christian Nationalism. As a Jewish man, Rob has seen the rise of dangerous tides and is passionate it doesn't happen again. GOD + COUNTRY asks: What happens when a faith built on love, sacrifice, and forgiveness grows political tentacles, conflating power, money, and belief into hyper-nationalism? It features prominent Christian thought leaders featured as NYT columnists and other mainstream forums including: David French, Kristen Du Mez, Russell Moore, Phil Vischer, Rev. William Barber, Sister Simone Campbell, Rob Schenck and more. Here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTQKmR6a9fw

Actor-director Rob Reiner & director Dan Partland join the show today regarding their upcoming documentary "God + Country" (releasing February 16). Reiner (known for his role as Michael "Meathead" Stivic on "All In The Family" and films such as "A Few Good Men" & "The Princess Bride") and Partland (a 2x-Emmy winner) present thoughts on "Christian nationalism" including fears regarding damage to the nation and Christianity itself. Reiner is Jewish but adds he tries to follow the teachings of Jesus, especially do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Matthew 7:12); Partland has a Christian-upbringing background although he does not purport to be practicing the faith. Pastor Allen Jackson (whose "Allen Jackson Ministries" radio program is WFIL's Ministry of the Month in February), also checks in. He shares his testimony, insights into the free download of his book "Unleashing the Power of the Holy Spirit" (and other resources you can win), and words of wisdom to pastors in advance of him speaking at WFIL's Pastors Appreciation Breakfast Thursday April 18 (details on our home page at wfil.com). You can catch "Allen Jackson Ministries" weekdays at 6am and Sundays at 7am on WFIL :). Sports clips: John Tortorella (Philadelphia Flyers Head Coach) NHL.comRob Thomson (Philadelphia Phillies Manager) MLB.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Christmas is here. Ken and Betsey banter over the challenge of finding just the right gift. Ken shares his plans to visit a remote camp where migrants found a gap in the Big Beautiful Wall (designed to KEEP THEM OUT) that separates the U.S. from Mexico. Kate Cox, the pregnant woman forced to file a lawsuit to get the health care she needs in a state that has some of the most severe restrictions on women's health, faces an agonizing public fight. Brittany Watts, too. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton symbolizes the cruelty and harm unleashed in our post-Roe era. The famed film producer Rob Reiner is about to release a documentary critiquing the rise of Christian Nationalism featuring such notables as Russell Moore, David French, Kristin Kobes Du Mez, Andrew Whitehead, Jemar Tisby, Skye Jethani, and Phil Vischer. Mary's Song sets the stage for the season's celebration.Ken's Substack: The Big Beautiful Wall | Become a PatronSupport the show

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Brian and Aubrey are shocked at how close Christmas is. Then, remember our conversation last week about the university presidents who couldn't quite answer questions about free speech in that congressional hearing? One of them has already stepped down, and the president of Harvard is being defended by faculty while she faces similar criticism. Then, Brian & Aubrey are reflecting on the mission of Food for the Poor, reacting to the Time Person of the Year news (and follow-up news), and an upcoming Rob Reiner Documentary on Christian Nationalism Featur[ing] Interviews With Prominent Evangelicals. Follow The Common Good on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram Hosted by Aubrey Sampson and Brian From Produced by Laura Finch and Keith ConradSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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As we prepare for another Thanksgiving in the US, Charles Morris is returning to two conversations he had with two special people who have done tremendous work in helping children learn about Jesus: Sally Lloyd-Jones, bestselling author of the Jesus Storybook Bible, and Phil Vischer, creator of VeggieTales, the What's in the Bible? DVD series, and the new Laugh and Grow Study Bible.  In this episode that originally aired in 2020, Sally and Phil talk about the history of Thanksgiving and what it means to them. Rather than celebrating the gift of food and excess, they challenge us to draw our attention to something greater … the gift of knowing Jesus.  Though these interviews were recorded well before entering a pandemic, the message of giving thanks to the Lord in good times and bad is especially poignant as travel and safety restrictions hinder the opportunity for families to get together this year.

Whether you're a parent, a youth pastor, a teacher or a young person yourself, you've probably seen all of the headlines concerning Gen Z. Rates of depression and loneliness are surging, their relationship with technology is kind of troubling, and they are leaving the church in droves. We've talked about these trends a lot on the Holy Post, but we're not alone. Tenx10 is a new collaborative discipleship initiative whose mission is to make faith matter more for this younger generation. We've partnered with Tenx10 to create this series and to hear from experts in each episode about the challenges young people and those who care about them are facing. One of those experts is Ryan Burge, a political scientist, pastor, and Holy Post Pundit. He is known for his deep understanding of data about religion and 60 Minutes has called him one of the "leading data analysts on religion and politics" within the United States. Over the last few years he has written several great pieces about the religious trends among Gen Z. Phil Vischer sat down with Ryan to find out if the kids are going to be alright. Links and Resources   Tenx10 - https://www.tenx10.org/   Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/   Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus   Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost   Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.  

Welcome to episode ninety-nine of New Creation Conversations. This week's conversation is with author, speaker, pastor, and podcaster Skye Jethani. Skye has had a number of roles in ministry including local pastoral ministry. He served in a number of positions at Christianity Today including senior editor of Leadership Journal and as the Director of Mission Advancement for CT. These days, Skye is probably best known as the co-host of the popular Holy Post podcast (with Phil Vischer) and as the author and regular contributor to the With God Daily app and email service.  Skye has become a very important voice and thought-leader in today's church. He is an award-winning author, having written about a dozen books. We spend our conversation talking about most recent book, What If Jesus Was Serious About Heaven?: A Visual Guide to Experiencing God's Kingdom Among Us (published by Brazos Press and being released today October 17). It is the next volume in Skye's incredible “What if Jesus Was Serious…” series. Even though it is easy to read and filled with great illustrations, it will challenge you to think deeply about what the Bible has to say about what our hope and our destiny is in Christ Jesus.It is a great book and a fun conversation. I'm a big fan of The Holy Post and was delighted to get a chance to talk with Skye and to get to bring this conversation to you. 

The Apostle Paul tells the Galatians - and, by extension, all Christians - to show love to one's neighbor by confronting his sin and restoring him to Christ. Phil Vischer says loving one's neighbor means allowing sodomites to continue marrying. Check out the video for a helpful discussion on defining biblical love and identifying worldly weasels. You'll especially enjoy the last five minutes. Previous episode on biblical love: https://youtu.be/gjG7UpTXpco Subscribe to my podcast at https://anchor.fm/jason-modar

Welcome to episode ninety-eight of New Creation Conversations. This week's conversation is with Kaitlyn Schiess. Kaitlyn is a writer, minister, and doctoral student at Duke Divinity School studying political theology and biblical interpretation. She has written about theology, politics, and culture for Christianity Today, The New York Times, Christ and Pop Culture, RELEVANT, Sojourners, and the Huffington Post. These days she may be best known for her participation on The Holy Post Podcast with Phil Vischer and Sky Jethani. We spend our time discussing her most recent book, The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here (Brazos). In the book, Kaitlyn unpacks the history of America and how we have connected the Bible to politics in the past and explores what lessons and warnings we can glean from those moments. She combines American political history and biblical interpretation to help readers faithfully read Scripture, talk with others about it, and apply it to contemporary political issues – and to their lives.It is a wonderful and important book, especially in the current moment. I'm really thankful for the work Kaitlyn is doing in this area, and am a little jealous of her ability (at such a young age) to reflect so insightfully on both our history and our moment. I'm a big fan of The Holy Post and was delighted to get a chance to meet Kaitlyn and have this rich conversation. 

I'm going to be honest, with the election year right around the corner, I start getting nervous! The political climate and the way the Church weaves into it can be unsettling. But is it possible for us to fight the narrative that it's “us against them”? Is it possible to talk about things that Jesus taught about during his time on Earth, and have a biblical lens and not a political lens? Is it possible to stay humble, work on relationships, and truly be the salt and light of the world? On today's show Phil Vischer and I tackle how we think the answer to all of those questions is a resounding YES!Phil is a filmmaker, author, speaker and humorist, best known as the co-creator of VeggieTales, creator of What's in the Bible? and co-host of the Holy Post Podcast. He lives in West Chicago, IL with his wife Lisa and 3 adult children. He is funny, insightful, and so much fun to be around. Phil creates content that is thought provoking and calls out problems we see in evangelicalism today and potential threats to the American church. Even if this conversation made you feel a little uncomfortable or gave you food for thought, my prayer is that we all are slow to speak, quick to listen, and love people like Jesus! SHOW LINKS:Holy PostThe Bulletin Good Faith The Ballot and the Bible The Evangelical ImaginationThe Rise and Fall of DispensationalismBiblical Critical TheoryCONNECT WITH JAMIEHappy Hour Book Club

In this episode I critique a recent episode of Phil Vischer's podcast The Holy Post, in which his co-hosts Skye Jethani and Katlyn Schiess discuss the Christian faith of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. I argue that they dramatically miss the most important aspect of their presidencies, during which both men committed horrendous war crimes. I review the war crimes of Bush and Obama and contrast that record with the casual conversation they had about their faiths. I also critique a conversation that took place on the show about Oliver Anthony's Rich Men North of Richmond, where a nuanced discussion about welfare is collapsed into an unfounded theory of racial ‘dog-whistling' as well as how Oliver's commentary on Jeffery Epstein is dismissed as ‘Q-Anon' adjacent. Both of these claims demonstrate my main point that even when admirably breaking with the right-wing trajectory of American evangelicalism, the commentators on The Holy Post still conform to the parameters of acceptable discourse set by the corporate press and fail to address the most important issues facing our society.  Media Referenced:The Holy Post Episode: https://www.holypost.com/post/579-how-the-bible-is-used-abused-in-politics-with-kaitlyn-schiessScott Horton, Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terror: https://a.co/d/0TVOy5w Laurie Calhoun, We Kill Because We Can: https://a.co/d/0aDohMn Obama Is a War Criminal: https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/ The Intercept Article: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/ TPLP Episode on the torture programs: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/against-george-w-bushs-cia-torture-program-roundtable/ Laurie Calhoun on the ‘Just War' Theory: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/critique-of-the-just-war-theory-laurie-calhoun/The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com. Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Check out the Protestant Libertarian Podcast page at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theplpodcast. Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the shows profile! Thanks! 

Get notes on this podcast here:  https://churchleaders.com/podcast/458230-francis-chan-church-leaders-unity-fear-god.html Francis Chan joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to talk about what God has taught him about unity and to share his concern that believers prioritize love and humility in their pursuit of holiness.  What exactly does it mean to be an evangelical? Phil Vischer joined us last week to discuss who is currently defining "evangelical" and what he believes the term should represent. Check out our conversation with him here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast/457756-phil-vischer-part-2-save-evangelicalism-fundamentalism.html  ► Listen on Apple: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-churchleaders-podcast/id988990685 Visit ChurchLeaders Website: https://churchleaders.com Find ChurchLeaders on Facebook: https://facebook.com/churchleaders Follow ChurchLeaders on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChurchLead Follow ChurchLeaders on Instagram: https://instagram.com/churchlead/ Follow ChurchLeaders on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/churchleaders/   Mentioned in the Show James 2 James 4:6 2 John 1 Peter 1 Romans 14:5 “Until Unity” by Francis Chan Crazy Love Ministries Follow Crazy Love Ministries on Facebook, Instagram, X (Twitter) and YouTube

Kids are back in school and football season has begun! Ya'll know how much I love football!We have a great line up for September: Esau McCaulley, Madison Prewett Troutt, Preston Sprinkle, and Phil Vischer. Trust me, you don't want to miss these shows! You already know that we went to one episode a week. We want to give you the absolute best shows we can and we believe this is the best step forward. With that, we will have special bonus series and we are so excited to kick off our first bonus series with you this month. This month's bonus series topic is World Religions with Preston Perry and Doug Groothuis. Both of these shows are so challenging and I hope you enjoy them! Have you joined our book club yet? This month we are reading The Peasant King by my friend Tessa Afshar. This book isn't even released until November but The Happy Hour Book Club gets it THIS MONTH!! It's easy to sign up, click here to join!Happy September Friends! SHOW LINKS:QuarterbackFavored ConferenceCityRise Women's Night of WorshipHappy Hour Book ClubCONNECT WITH JAMIE 

Get notes on this podcast here:  https://churchleaders.com/podcast/457756-phil-vischer-part-2-save-evangelicalism-fundamentalism.html Phil Vischer joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast,” where he shares his perspective on who is currently defining what it means to be an "evangelical" and what he believes the term should represent. Phil also joined us last week and told us about his experience in Christian media, offering thoughts on how pastors can advise the creatives in their churches. Check out our conversation with him here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast/457268-phil-vischer-part-1-pastors-creatives-churches.html  ► Listen on Apple: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-churchleaders-podcast/id988990685 Visit ChurchLeaders Website: https://churchleaders.com Find ChurchLeaders on Facebook: https://facebook.com/churchleaders Follow ChurchLeaders on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChurchLead Follow ChurchLeaders on Instagram: https://instagram.com/churchlead/ Follow ChurchLeaders on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/churchleaders/ Mentioned in the Show Holy Post "Me, Myself, and Bob: A True Story About Dreams, God, and Talking Vegetables" by Phil Vischer What's in the Bible? Check out Phil's website Follow Phil on Facebook, X (Twitter), and YouTube The Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed Bebbington's quadrilateral Billy Graham Bob Jones Sr. and Bob Jones Jr. Carl F. H. Henry David French Enneagram Harold John Ockenga Jerry Falwell Sr. "John Piper Suggests Allowing Women To Lead in Parachurch Organizations Is ‘Naïve,' ‘Culturally Compromised'" by Dale Chamberlain on ChurchLeaders John Stott "Rick Warren Shares With Russell Moore the Scriptures That Convinced Him Women Pastors Are Biblical" by Jesse T. Jackson VeggieTales "The Virtue of Hospitality" by Stephen Wolfe in American Reformer William Bell Riley "‘Women, Cover Up'—Christian Twitter Debates Modesty, Lust and Self-Control in Time for Summer" by Jessica Lea on ChurchLeaders

Brian and Aubrey interview Kaitlyn Schiess, author of The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused and Where We Go from Here, doctoral student in political theology at Duke University (and co-host of The Holy Post podcast), on how churches approach political topics. Follow The Common Good on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram Hosted by Aubrey Sampson and Brian From Produced by Laura Finch and Keith ConradSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Get notes on this podcast here:  https://churchleaders.com/podcast/457268-phil-vischer-part-1-pastors-creatives-churches.html Phil Vischer joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share his experience in Christian media and his thoughts on how pastors can advise the creatives in their congregations.  Are you using AI yet? Yvonne Carlson recently joined us to offer practical ways that church leaders can use AI to support their ministries. Check out our conversation with her here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast/456902-yvonne-carlson-use-ai-ministry.html ► Listen on Apple: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-churchleaders-podcast/id988990685 Visit ChurchLeaders Website: https://churchleaders.com Find ChurchLeaders on Facebook: https://facebook.com/churchleaders Follow ChurchLeaders on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChurchLead Follow ChurchLeaders on Instagram: https://instagram.com/churchlead/ Follow ChurchLeaders on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/churchleaders/   Mentioned in the Show Holy Post"Me, Myself, and Bob: A True Story About Dreams, God, and Talking Vegetables" by Phil Vischer What's in the Bible? Check out Phil's websiteFollow Phil on Facebook, X (Twitter), and YouTube A.B SimpsonAmy Grant The Bible Project"The Chosen" TV series Eric MetaxasGeorge FloydHe Gets Us"His Only Son" movie “I Can Only Imagine” movie "Jesus Revolution" movie Michael W. SmithMike NawrockiRussell MooreVeggieTalesWalter Kim Phil Vischer on ChurchLeaders "Phil Vischer's 17-Minute History Lesson Is Worth Every Second of Your Time" by Megan Briggs  "Phil Vischer: What Is an Evangelical, Really?" by Jessica Lea "Phil Vischer: Social Welfare Is Not to Blame for Racial Inequality" by Jessica Lea "Phil Vischer: This Is How Race Shapes the Way Christians Vote" by Jessica Lea

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have competency and how this is expressed in the qualities of the Enneagram Type 5. Phil Vischer of The Holy Post and creator of VeggieTales joins the show and shares how the desire to be competent has shaped his story as well as his journey to tell the difference between being competent versus all-knowing. Everyone plays Your Worst Nightmare, where they discover if Phil has any secret fears.

401 401 401 401 401 401 401 401 - The History of the Church. This episode, Mike and Tim continue the 400 celebration by welcoming the next member of the Holy Post, Phil Vischer. Phil joins to discuss the history of the Church in America. How did we get to where we are? What were each of the cultural shifts? Who was behind the wheel each time? What were the motives? Why do we go along when we know it may be off course? Why is the Christian church the most splintered (denominationally/belief wise) it is the one true faith? As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Always feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

As the 2024 Presidential election becomes the talk of the town, get ready for the "Christian" court jesters in the kingdom of Liberalism to bend over backwards to prevent real conservatives from getting elected. Get ready for the "I'm neither Left nor Right" Christian leaders who claim to "only preach the gospel," yet seem to always punch Right and never punch Left. Get ready for the "Progressive Christians" who pay lip service to pro-life principles but work overtime to elect pro-abortion Democrats. Like clockwork, every election cycle, Christian influencers, pastors, and artists will try to get pro-life laypeople to vote for pro-abortion Democrats because they claim that the policies of the Democrat Party help address the "underlying causes" for why women choose abortion, with the result being less abortions. In our Post-Roe America, pro-abortion activists will argue that women will get abortions anyways across state lines. So isn't it better to keep it legal and support policies that will allegedly alleviate the socio-economic reasons she feels pressured to choose abortion in the first place? Don't miss this conversation between Seth and Reed Uberman of the Indie Thinker Podcast as we brutally dismantle this lie once and for all.  Date: 03/03/23 For more exclusive pro-life content, interviews, and tools to engage the culture for LIFE, SUBSCRIBE to UnAborted with Seth Gruber TODAY! https://tinyurl.com/niroit8b To help UnAborted create more pro-life content and take our content to the streets, become a Patron of the show at https://www.patreon.com/unaborted To help Seth educate and expose culture to the evil of abortion so that every person has a right to be born, become an ALLY of The White Rose Resistance at https://thewhiterose.life

What does it mean to be pro-life? Drawing from the words of Jesus, the Apostles, and the early church, Shane Claiborne says most American Christians have gotten it wrong. His new book, “Rethinking Life: Embracing the Sacredness of Every Person,” argues for the value of the unborn, but also for combating poverty, racism, and other dehumanizing evils. He talks with Skye about how the early church's consistent ethic of life changed once it gained political power. It's one thing for a tiny church on the margins of society to apply the teachings of Jesus, but how do we apply his words when Christians have control of governments and armies? Skye is joined after the interview by Christian Taylor and Phil Vischer to debrief Claiborne's challenging ideas.   Patreon Bonus: Christian Asks… What Will Heaven Be Like? https://www.patreon.com/posts/78474602/   Holy Post merch store - https://www.holypost.com/shop  0:00 - Sponsor World Relief Join the Path -  https://worldrelief.org/holypost/ 0:46-  Intro   3:16 - Shane Claiborne   Tyre Nichols and policing http://www.shaneclaiborne.com/ https://twitter.com/ShaneClaiborne   13:55 Rethinking Life   28:24 Ethics and power   33:49 Abortion   48:30 Phil, Skye, Christian debrief   1:07:03 End Credits   Other resources:   Rethinking Life: Embracing the Sacredness of Every Person by Shane Claiborne - https://amzn.to/40EvZZZ   The Irresistible Revolution, Updated and Expanded: Living as an Ordinary Radical by Shane Claiborne - https://amzn.to/3x3SDxt   Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.    

Spent time at the start talking about Jerald and Sandra Tanner and the Utah Lighthouse Ministry's years of faithfulness in light of Sandra's retirement. Then we looked at Biden's absurd rhetoric on the profaning of marriage, looked at Phil Vischer's joining in that same absurdity, and then we talked about the German study documenting the direct correlation of mRNA vaccines and sudden deaths in Germany. Finished with a discussion of year end giving as well.

Spent time at the start talking about Jerald and Sandra Tanner and the Utah Lighthouse Ministry's years of faithfulness in light of Sandra's retirement. Then we looked at Biden's absurd rhetoric on the profaning of marriage, looked at Phil Vischer's joining in that same absurdity, and then we talked about the German study documenting the direct correlation of mRNA vaccines and sudden deaths in Germany. Finished with a discussion of year end giving as well.

Jon talks about a video claiming to oppose antisemitism, the removal of AP Hill's grave, and Phil Vischer who doesn't seem to understand conservatism. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/conversations-that-matter8971/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Research finds many Americans are opposed to the gospel because they view Christians as hypocrites, but a new $100 million ad campaign hopes to reintroduce Jesus to the country. But does Jesus really have a PR problem, or does the church have a discipleship problem? Then, culture war issues are fracturing evangelical colleges into 5 distinct groups. What does it mean for the future of the church? Phil talks to pastor and podcaster Mike Erre about how to think biblically about the culture wars. Does the New Testament call the church to have power over the culture, how did Jesus influence others, and what about the presence of real evil in the world? Mike shares his 3 principles for Christians and the culture war. Plus, the Dutch are giving guns to robots. What could possibly go wrong?   Patreon Bonus: Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess: Halloween History 101 - https://www.patreon.com/posts/73778907/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 1:52 - Robots with guns 8:22 - Ad campaign for Jesus 27:56 - Evangelical colleges and culture war issues50:04 - Sponsor: Biola University's Talbot School of Theology Visit www.biola.edu/talbot for more information and to apply today. Interview with Mike Erre Voxology podcast: https://voxologypodcast.com 51:20 - Guest intro 55:22 - Culture warring intro 56:53 - The role of the church in the world 1:09:36 - Providing a counter narrative 1:26:00 - Culture warring vs. the way of Jesus in culture 1:28:06 - Credits Links from news segment:“The Netherlands Has Deployed NATO's First Killer Robot Ground Vehicles” (Vice) - https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgpax3/the-netherlands-has-deployed-natos-first-killer-robot-ground-vehicles“ Oakland Cops Hope to Arm Robots with Lethal Shotguns” (The Intercept) - https://theintercept.com/2022/10/17/police-robot-gun-oakland/“ A $100 million ad campaign wants to fix Jesus' image. His followers remain a problem.” (Religion News Service) - https://religionnews.com/2022/10/10/a-100-million-ad-campaign-wants-to-fix-jesuss-image-his-followers-remain-a-problem/ “The Five Emerging Factions in Evangelical Higher Education” (Patheos) - https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2022/04/the-five-emerging-factions-in-evangelical-higher-education/ Links from interview:"American Evangelicals: Embattled and Thriving" by Christian Smith Crazy: 10 years of podcasts, 1 song (by Phil Vischer) - https://youtu.be/Tkgong0GcO0 Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

A Twitter battle broke out between William Wolfe and Phil Vischer about “white christian nationalism.” This is a tough thread to follow, but it is vital to discuss as an example of how post modern views of reality are infected the faith. We read the Twitter thread, we explain the ideology, and we tell you what to be aware of so that worldly ideologies don't infect your faith!     ► Buy John's new book, Awake & Alive to Truth: Finding Truth in the Chaos of a Relativistic World http://www.johnlcooper.com/awake   ► Subscribe to the podcast: www.johnlcooper.com  Apple: http://bit.ly/cooperstuff  Spotify: http://bit.ly/cooperstuffspotify  CastBox: http://bit.ly/cooperstuffcast   ► Connect with John L. Cooper on Social Media:  https://www.facebook.com/johnlcooperstuff https://www.instagram.com/johnlcooper  https://twitter.com/johnlcooper   ► Cooper Stuff Merchandise:  www.johnlcooper.com/store

David French is in studio with Skye Jethani and Phil Vischer for a special edition of French Friday. First, they discuss new survey results showing most evangelicals hold shockingly heretical beliefs about the nature of Jesus, but they are absolutely clear about sexual ethics. What does it mean for evangelicalism to make doctrine optional and sexual purity essential? Then, comments from leading conservative voices appear to contradict core conservative values. Can conservatism still be defined, or has it deteriorated into a reactionary movement to “own the libs” and nothing more? Plus, David and Skye nerd-out about the new Amazon series, “The Rings of Power.” 0:00 - Intro 1:55 - Is evangelicalism about Jesus or sexual ethics? 26:24 - Can conservatism be defined? 57:57 - Nerd corner Links and resources mentioned: The Dispatch - https://thedispatch.com “Evangelicals Decenter Jesus” by David French (The Atlantic Newsletter) - https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/632df352c5c055002255fa9f/us-evangelical-christian-republican/ “The American right's future involves waging a ‘religious battle' against the left, leaders say at a conservative conference” (NBC) - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/american-rights-future-involves-waging-religious-battle-left-leaders-s-rcna48961 Fuller Youth Institute - https://fulleryouthinstitute.org/stickyfaith “The Evangelical Question in the History of American Religion” by Kirsten Sanders (The Hedgehog Review) - https://hedgehogreview.com/issues/the-use-and-abuse-of-history/articles/the-evangelical-question-in-the-history-of-american-religion Holy Post episode 526 (includes discussion of above article) - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-526-was-the-constitution-divinely-inspired-with-kaitlyn-schiess National Conservatism: A Statement of Principles - https://nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/ “How Do Christians Fit Into the Two-Party System? They Don't” by Tim Keller, 2018 (NYT) - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/christians-politics-belief.html Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost

The Florida bill has more clearly revealed the positions of the Christian Left. Today we refute comments made by Phil Vischer and Skye Jentham regarding the bill that “both the right and the left have admirable” positions. Our thesis is that the Christian Left believes in empathy without ethics, and unity without moral clarity. We must look to the Bible and not to the secular popular culture to tell us how to live. And finally, we discuss the Apostle Paul's instructions on how to deal with immorality in the Church. Today, Cooper Stuff gives an especially zero poops for Woke cookies.     ► Buy John's new book, Awake & Alive to Truth: Finding Truth in the Chaos of a Relativistic World http://www.johnlcooper.com/awake   ► Subscribe to the podcast: www.johnlcooper.com  Apple: http://bit.ly/cooperstuff  Spotify: http://bit.ly/cooperstuffspotify  CastBox: http://bit.ly/cooperstuffcast   ► Connect with John L. Cooper on Social Media:  https://www.facebook.com/johnlcooperstuff https://www.instagram.com/johnlcooper  https://twitter.com/johnlcooper   ► Cooper Stuff Merchandise:  www.johnlcooper.com/store