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How do you hold on to faith when life falls apart? Pastor and author Ray Ortlund joins host Curtis Chang for a wide-ranging, honest conversation about suffering, betrayal, regret, and even death—drawing from personal stories and the powerful promise of Isaiah 57:15. From the fractures of the global church to intimate heartbreak, Curtis and Ray explore how spiritual honesty, resurrection hope, the Psalms, and lived community can sustain us through rock-bottom moments. If you're facing pain, loss, or doubt, Ray offers a faithful roadmap toward healing and hope. Donate to Redeeming Babel Resources mentioned in this episode: John Wesley's Rules for Small Groups Dietrich Bonhoeffer's Life Together (pdf) A discussion on John Wesley's theology of dying Isaiah 57:15 ESV Matthew 5:10-12 NIRV Philippians 2:12-13 ESV More From Ray Ortlund: Ray Ortlund's Good News at Rock Bottom Ray Ortlund & Sam Alberry's podcast: You're Not Crazy Ray Ortlund's Renewal Ministries Follow Ray Ortlund on Instagram Follow Ray Ortlund on Bluesky Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
What can 1920s Germany teach us about American politics today? Georgetown professor and national security expert Dr. Paul D. Miller joins host Curtis Chang to explore striking parallels between the Weimar Republic and our current moment of democratic fragility. From the rise of Christian nationalism to the erosion of institutional norms, they unpack the theological, historical, and civic fault lines shaping today's polarized landscape. Buckle up—this episode is for anyone ready to trade tribalism for truth and confront the urgent role Christians must play in defending democracy. Send written questions or voice memos for “Ask Curtis” episodes to: askcurtis@redeemingbabel.org Send Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Resources mentioned in this episode: Paul D. Miller's article: A Confessing Church for America's Weimar Moment Paul D. Miller's previous appearance on the Good Faith podcast: Episode 36: The Religion of American Greatness The history of the Weimar Republic The rise and fall of the Weimar Republic (video) Christians against Nazis: the German Confessing Church Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Confessing Church Karl Barth in Nazi Germany Sandy Berger's theft of classified information Pete Hegseth shares classified information Reining in "Imperial Presidency" executive orders More From Paul D. Miller: Paul D. Miller's The Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism Paul D. Miller on X (formerly Twitter) Paul D. Miller at The Dispatch Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Professor French Tells What Gen Z Can Teach All of Us! What happens when one of America's top legal minds steps back into the classroom—only to be schooled by Gen Z? New York Times columnist and Good Faith contributor David French joins Curtis Chang to reflect on what a year of teaching college students taught him about faith, over-parenting, and the future of American democracy. Together, they explore whether this rising generation is rejecting political tribalism in favor of ethical engagement—or simply afraid to speak up in polarized times. Could Gen Z's quiet shift reshape our fractured public square? Send written questions or voice memos for “Ask Curtis” episodes to: askcurtis@redeemingbabel.org Send Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Resources mentioned in this episode: Lipscomb University's College of Leadership & Public Service Supreme Court case: Marbury v. Madison Gettysburg Address Brown v. Board of Education The Coddling of the American Mind (Chapter 1: pdf Download) John Locke Foundation Council for Christian Colleges & Universities More From David French: David French's New York Times pieces HERE Follow David French on Threads Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Jesus Calling Podcast. Today, we’ll hear from a number of guests who have previously appeared on the show, giving us their insights and guidance about what helps them when they experience fear and uncertainty in their lives—including Curtis Chang, Jennie Finch, Dr. Michelle Bengston, Dr. Henry Cloud, and Jesse Hutch. Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned: Jesus Calling Podcast Jesus Calling Jesus Always Jesus Listens Curtis Chang Jennie Finch Dr. Michelle Bengston Dr. Henry Cloud Jesse Hutch For more interviews like this, check out the Peace for Uncertain Times series on the Jesus Calling YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u ________________________ Connect with Jesus Calling Instagram Facebook Twitter Pinterest YouTube Website TikTok *Episode produced by Four Eyes Media* Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
How Do We Overcome the Hidden Forces Behind Marital Challenges? How does your relationships—or even your parents' marriage—shape the way you see beauty, brokenness, and the world itself? Therapist Dan Allender joins host Curtis Chang for a raw, insightful conversation on how relationships form the backbone of our worldview, especially in times of stress and trauma. They unpack hidden triggers behind marital conflict, the power of empathy over contempt, and why kindness and repentance are key to lasting connection. Whether you're navigating conflict or craving deeper intimacy, this episode delivers transformative wisdom for healthier, faith-rooted relationships. Resources mentioned in this episode: Read Becky Allender's written pieces for The Allender Center Learn more about Steve Call's The Reconnect Institute Learn more about the work of Drs. John & Julie Gottman at The Gottman Institute More From Dan Allender: Dan Allender & Steve Call's The Deep-Rooted Marriage Learn more about Dan's work at The Allender Center Check out Dan Allender's other books Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
We were made for relationship — to be seen, loved, known, and committed to others. And yet we increasingly find ourselves, in the words of sociologist Jonathan Haidt, “disoriented, unable to speak the same language or recognize the same truth. We are cut off from one another and from the past.”On our podcast Haidt and bestselling author Andy Crouch pair up to explore how the technology era has seduced us with a false vision of human flourishing—and how each of us can fight back, and restore true community:“A person is a heart, soul, mind, strength, complex designed for love. And one of the really damaging things about our technology is very little of our technology develops all four of those qualities.” - Andy CrouchWe hope you enjoy this conversation about the seismic effects technology has had on our personal relationships, civic institutions, and even democratic foundations — and how we might approach rethinking our technologies and reclaiming human connection.This podcast is an edited version of an online conversation recorded in 2022. Watch the full video of the conversation here. Learn more about Jonathan Haidt and Andy Crouch.Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:The Happiness Hypothesis, by Jonathan HaidtThe Coddling of the American Mind, by Jonathan HaidtThe Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion, by Jonathan HaidtCulture Making, by Andy CrouchPlaying God, by Andy CrouchStrong and Weak, by Andy CrouchThe TechWise Family, by Andy CrouchMy TechWise Life, by Amy and Andy CrouchThe Life We're Looking For: Reclaiming Relationship in a Technological World, by Andy CrouchErnest HemingwayFrancis BaconHoward HotsonGreg LukianoffWolfram SchultzThe Sacred Canopy, by Peter L. BergerEpictetusMarcus AureliusRelated Trinity Forum Readings:Brave New World, by Alduous HuxleyBulletins from Immortality: Poems by Emily DickinsonPilgrim at Tinker Creek, by Annie DillardPolitics and the English Language, by George OrwellThe Origins of Totalitarianism, by Hannah ArendtCity of God, by St. Augustine of HippoChildren of Light and Children of Darkness by Reinhold NiebuhrOn Happiness, by Thomas AquinasRelated Conversations:Rebuilding our Common Life with Yuval LevinThe Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent BacoteThe Decadent Society with Ross DouthatScience, Faith, Trust and Truth with Francis CollinsBeyond Ideology with Peter Kreeft and Eugene RiversJustice, Mercy, and Overcoming Racial Division with Claude Alexander and Mac PierHealing a Divided Culture with Arthur BrooksAfter Babel with Andy Crouch and Johnathan HaidtTrust, Truth, and The Knowledge Crisis with Bonnie KristianHope in an Age of Anxiety with Curtis Chang & Curt ThompsonTo listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help...
Is there a Christian response to our divided country? Host Curtis Chang is joined by David French and Russell Moore to unpack what Trump's agenda and executive actions demand from people of faith. From foreign policy chaos and attacks on democratic institutions to political fatigue and Christian witness, this conversation gets real about the cost of following Jesus in a divided America. Curtis, David, and Russell confront the pull of fear and apathy—and offer a better path rooted in truth, hope, courage, and acts of worship. Resources mentioned in this episode: New poll: millions of Trump voters regret their choice Here are the top 5 immigration changes from Trump's first 100 days Trump's strange wording illustrates One-sided Ukraine peace plan David Whyte on Anxiety Thomas Merton's Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander Harvard pledges reforms following internal reports on antisemitism Under pressure from Trump, Columbia plans its next move Transcript of Brown v. Board of Education (1954) Explainer Video: Brown v. Board of Eduction II Case Brief Summary Aurelius Augustine's The City of God: Volume I (pdf) Phil Wickham's What An Awesome God (Organic) Worship with Songs for The After Party More From Russell Moore: Sign up for Russell Moore's weekly newsletter Moore to the Point Listen to The Russell Moore Show (podcast) More From David French: David French's New York Times pieces HERE Follow David French on Threads Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
How should Christians engage with political power in a divided world? Contributor Andy Crouch joins Curtis Chang to trace a path from the courage of the early believers under Caesar to today's crisis-driven politics and the ruling class. Together, they dive into the rise of emergency powers, growing contempt, and the breakdown of civil discourse—and offer a hopeful vision for how the Fruit of the Spirit can reshape both Christian posture and a public life rooted in love, gentleness, and faithfulness. Resources mentioned in this episode: Explaining The Land of Israel Under Roman Rule Matthew 22:21 - "Render therefore unto Caesar..." (multiple versions and explanation) Explaining The Majesty of Herod's Temple Augustus Caesar and the the title Divi filius, “son of a god” (audio) The Holy Roman Empire: The Rise of Medieval Europe (video) Tish Harrison Warren's Prayer in the Night: For Those Who Work or Watch or Weep Fact sheet about PEPFAR Wendell Berry's The Hidden Wound Wendell Berry's ‘The Hidden Wound' at Fifty (article from 2020) Galatians 5:22 - Fruit of the Spirit (multiple versions and explanation) More from Andy Crouch: Interact with Andy's website Check out Andy's work at Praxis Read Andy's book: The Life We're Looking For Read Andy's book: The Tech-Wise Family Good Faith Live “Watch Party” Russell Moore, David French, & Curtis Chang: Trump's First 100 Days Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Can Literary Wisdom Counter Despair and Deepen Your Faith? In this episode of Good Faith Presents: Reading to Make Sense of the World, Curtis Chang and author-professor Jessica Hooten Wilson explore the spiritual insights of Flannery O'Connor's prayer journal. They examine how O'Connor's raw honesty, humility, and startling imagery confront the modern obsession with self and offer a radical vision of divine grace. Jessica helps listeners see why O'Connor's work is more than provocative—it's prophetic. Resources or references mentioned in this episode: Flannery O'Connor at 100 Excerpts from Flannery O'Connor's journal (printed in The New Yorker) Flannery O'Connor's A Prayer Journal Jessica Hooten wilson's Flannery O'Connor's Why Do the Heathen Rage?: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at a Work in Progress A Life in Psychiatry and Literature: (an interview with Robert Coles) Good Faith episode featuring Amy Low (Facing Cancer with Humor and Hope) Good Faith episode featuring Nancy French (Ghosted: an American Story) What Is Kafkaesque? - The 'Philosophy' of Franz Kafka (video explainer) More From Jessica Hooten Wilson: Jessica Hooten Wilson's website Explore Jessica's books HERE Read articles and Essay by Jessica HERE Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Thanks to your questions, Good Faith listeners are the guests of this episode that's meant to spark spiritual insights and challenge church norms. From queries about navigating belief in a politically toxic climate to finding community after deconstruction, Curtis answers your questions with thoughtfulness, wisdom, and compassion. Whether you're wrestling with faith, curious about theology, or just want to know what's on Curtis' playlist, this episode delivers the answers that inquiring minds wanted to know. Curtis addresses: How can someone who has deconstructed find meaningful, Christ-centered community? What role should the church play when professed followers of Jesus undermine the gospel? What does it mean that God "removes kings and sets up kings"? How can we love fellow church members who politically diverge from us? Is The After Party project truly nonpartisan—and how was it funded? Will artificial intelligence reshape sermon preparation? What will life be like in the new heavens and new earth? Plus: Curtis reveals his five favorite musical artists and the name of the song that opens every Good Faith episode. Send written questions or voice memos for “Ask Curtis” episodes to: askcurtis@redeemingbabel.org Send Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Resources or references mentioned in this episode: Patrick Schreiner: Recovering the Forgotten Doctrine of Christ's Ascension N.T. Wright: the Ascension of Jesus and Heaven N.T. Wright's Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church The Thin Places of Fantasy The Nicene Creed The Lord's Prayer Philippians 3:18-21 (New Living Translation) Foreign Aid Is Retreating. The Church Must Not Judge: Musk and Trump's effort to disband USAID is likely unconstitutional Daniel 2:21 (English Standard Version) 33 Evil Kings of the Old Testament I Samuel 8 (Israel asks for a king) (New Living Translation) Explore The After Party with Russell Moore, David French, & Curtis Chang Answers to questions about The After Party Judah & the Lion's Beautiful Anyway (official music video) Judah & the Lion's website Wendell Kimborough's website Sandra McCraken's website Andrew Peterson's website Dave Brubeck's Time Out album (including Take Five) Dave Brubeck's Fight Against Racism Herbie Hancock's Watermelon Man Herbie Hancock's Rockit Good Faith conversations mentioned in this episode: David French: Has America's Role in the World Changed Forever? and Your Questions David French: Checks, Balances, and the New Trump Era Sandra McCracken: How Music Helps Us Make Sense of God's World Advent with Friends: Andrew Peterson and The Way of Love Andy Crouch: How to Listen to Music Andy Crouch: Do We Need a Worship Music Reformation? Register for the Illuminate Arts & Faith Conference Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Biden's mandates and Trump's tariffs deliver a devastating one-two punch, spiking car prices by $12,000 with a bogus fentanyl excuse, while Trump's spy turned envoy Ric Grenell brokers a secret Nord Stream 2 deal in Switzerland—turning Russia's gas into a crony jackpot as Germany's blindsided. RFK Jr. flips to a pharma shill over a measly 146 measles cases, and Curtis Chang's satanic claim that vaccines ‘redeem abortion.' Then, Catherine Austin Fitts drops the bombshell: DOGE's crypto cuts are a sinister plot to privatize America, plunder trillions, and cage us in an AI dystopia.2:00 Biden Mandates, Trump Tariffs — 1, 2, Knockout Punch for Cars and for ConsumersWith 25% tariffs slamming Canada and Mexico, and a jaw-dropping 20% hike on Chinese goods—double his original threat—prices are set to skyrocket, especially on cars, with experts predicting a $12,000 surge — all “justified” by a fake fentanyl narrative 32:00Trump's Secret Nord Stream Protection Racket: Gaslighting the World Over GasTrump's shadowy envoy, Ric Grenell, is jetting to Switzerland for hush-hush talks to resurrect Nord Stream 2—blown up by Biden. American cronies are poised to snatch a piece of Russia's gas pie, turning a protection racket into a jackpot as Germany's left in the dark. And, Elon Musk calls Social Security a Ponzi scheme — will anything change? 51:51 LIVE comments from audience 56:55RFKjab: From Confirmation to Pharma Cheerleader in Just 3 WeeksRFK Jr., now peddling fear over a measly 146 measles cases in Texas—out of 32 million people—calling it a “crisis”, pushing MMR and ignoring his own warnings about autism. Take a look at this 1962 article about measles in Minneapolis to get a dose of reality in this paranoid distortion of reality we are fed by government and media. 1:30:00 LIVE comments from audience and emails 1:46:40 The Devil's Vax Evangelist: “The Vaccine Redeems Abortion” and Other Poisonous Lies from Curtis ChangFrom satanic lies to taxpayer-funded treachery, this is the chilling tale of wolves in sheep's clothing gaslighting the flock and twisting scripture to claim it “redeems abortion” like Jesus redeems sin. In truth, it aborted (murdered) people of all ages as Chang and other well known “pastors” were paid by the Ad Council and — USAID break 1: 02:01:39The DOGE Deception That Could Steal America!Catherine Austin Fitts, Solari.comPrepare for a jaw-dropping revelation as Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of HUD, unveils what's really behind the cuts, the crypto, and the chaos. A sinister scheme to privatize power, plunder public wealth, and lock humanity in an AI-controlled cage! From vanishing trillions to Bitcoin Ponzi plots and a brazen bid for America's land she exposes a coup disguised as reform. Wake up—this is the heist of the century! If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTFor 10% off supplements and books, go to RNCstore.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.
Biden's mandates and Trump's tariffs deliver a devastating one-two punch, spiking car prices by $12,000 with a bogus fentanyl excuse, while Trump's spy turned envoy Ric Grenell brokers a secret Nord Stream 2 deal in Switzerland—turning Russia's gas into a crony jackpot as Germany's blindsided. RFK Jr. flips to a pharma shill over a measly 146 measles cases, and Curtis Chang's satanic claim that vaccines ‘redeem abortion.' Then, Catherine Austin Fitts drops the bombshell: DOGE's crypto cuts are a sinister plot to privatize America, plunder trillions, and cage us in an AI dystopia.2:00 Biden Mandates, Trump Tariffs — 1, 2, Knockout Punch for Cars and for ConsumersWith 25% tariffs slamming Canada and Mexico, and a jaw-dropping 20% hike on Chinese goods—double his original threat—prices are set to skyrocket, especially on cars, with experts predicting a $12,000 surge — all “justified” by a fake fentanyl narrative 32:00Trump's Secret Nord Stream Protection Racket: Gaslighting the World Over GasTrump's shadowy envoy, Ric Grenell, is jetting to Switzerland for hush-hush talks to resurrect Nord Stream 2—blown up by Biden. American cronies are poised to snatch a piece of Russia's gas pie, turning a protection racket into a jackpot as Germany's left in the dark. And, Elon Musk calls Social Security a Ponzi scheme — will anything change? 51:51 LIVE comments from audience 56:55RFKjab: From Confirmation to Pharma Cheerleader in Just 3 WeeksRFK Jr., now peddling fear over a measly 146 measles cases in Texas—out of 32 million people—calling it a “crisis”, pushing MMR and ignoring his own warnings about autism. Take a look at this 1962 article about measles in Minneapolis to get a dose of reality in this paranoid distortion of reality we are fed by government and media. 1:30:00 LIVE comments from audience and emails 1:46:40 The Devil's Vax Evangelist: “The Vaccine Redeems Abortion” and Other Poisonous Lies from Curtis ChangFrom satanic lies to taxpayer-funded treachery, this is the chilling tale of wolves in sheep's clothing gaslighting the flock and twisting scripture to claim it “redeems abortion” like Jesus redeems sin. In truth, it aborted (murdered) people of all ages as Chang and other well known “pastors” were paid by the Ad Council and — USAID break 1: 02:01:39The DOGE Deception That Could Steal America!Catherine Austin Fitts, Solari.comPrepare for a jaw-dropping revelation as Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of HUD, unveils what's really behind the cuts, the crypto, and the chaos. A sinister scheme to privatize power, plunder public wealth, and lock humanity in an AI-controlled cage! From vanishing trillions to Bitcoin Ponzi plots and a brazen bid for America's land she exposes a coup disguised as reform. Wake up—this is the heist of the century! If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTFor 10% off supplements and books, go to RNCstore.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-real-david-knight-show--5282736/support.
In this thought-provoking episode with Curtis Chang, we explore a radical shift in how we view anxiety—not as a problem to be solved or eliminated, but as an opportunity to draw nearer to Jesus. Curtis delves into how anxiety often marks the people who approach Jesus, and how it can serve as the catalyst for spiritual growth. We discuss the contrasting approaches of the church and the world to anxiety, with prayer as the church's method of elimination and prescription as the world's solution. Curtis offers a mindset switch that invites us to see anxiety not as a sign of distance from Christ, but as an invitation to step closer to Him. Tune in for a transformative perspective on anxiety that could change the way you experience your faith.Curtis Chang is a consulting professor in innovation and organization at Duke Divinity School and a senior fellow at Fuller Theological Seminary. He is also a faculty member at American University. Curtis has a distinguished background in social innovation, having won an Obama White House award as the founder and head of Consulting Within Reach, a firm dedicated to serving nonprofits and government. His work bridges the worlds of faith, leadership, and mental health, focusing on how spiritual growth can be integrated with personal transformation. Curtis is the author of Engaging Unbelief: A Captivating Strategy from Augustine and Aquinas (IVP) and is a former Rockefeller Fellow. Known for his thoughtful and transformative approach to anxiety, he encourages individuals to view their struggles not as barriers, but as opportunities to grow closer to Jesus. Check out Dr. Chang's book below:Anxiety Opportunity Also listen to his podcast here:The good faith podcast Find out more about Dr. Chang's work on his website:Redeeming Babble
What Is the Faithful Response to Rising Authoritarianism? New York Times columnist and “founding friend” David French joins host Curtis Chang to explore the shifting dynamics of American governance under the Trump administration. They explore the growing concentration of executive power and the MAGA-driven erosion of the checks and balances envisioned by the Founders. Curtis and David also discuss the weakening influence of both the legislative and judicial branches, while reflecting on the crucial role of strong family ties, community, and inspired worship for Christians confronting rising authoritarianism. Send written questions or voice memos for “Ask Curtis” episodes to: askcurtis@redeemingbabel.org Send Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Resources or references mentioned in this episode: What is DOGE? Limiting DOGE's access and reach 1787 Constitution I Kings 19:9-18 (Elijah and God's promise to spare those who do not bend knee to Baal) The executive branch taking power from the legislative branch Carl Scmidt's Friend-Enemy Distinction Media and allies fear Kash Patel's retribution Pew Research: How the faithful voted The psychology of Trumpism identity fusion Can the Insurrection Act be used on American soil? Trump supporters trust him more than family & friends The Civil Rights Act of 1964 Praising God is an act of political defiance Worship and the Civil Rights Movement Explore The After Party with Russell Moore, David French, & Curtis Chang More From David French: Read David French's opinion pieces HERE Follow David French on Threads Learn more about Texas Baptist Christian Life Commission's Advocacy Day Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Are you looking for an example of leadership and hope in turbulent times? Former Congressman Adam Kinzinger joins host Curtis Chang for a conversation on politics, faith, and integrity in the Donald Trump era. Known for his willingness to challenge his own party, Rep. Kinzinger shares candid insights on the moral dilemmas facing political leaders, the long-term impact of principled decision-making, and the fight to preserve democracy. Together, Curtis and the congressman share their own strategies for staying engaged without being consumed by today's outrage-driven narratives. Rep. Kinzinger offers a compelling example of the principled leadership we need for the future for our country. Send written questions or voice memos for “Ask Curtis” episodes to: askcurtis@redeemingbabel.org Send Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Referenced in This Episode: Isaiah 5:20 I Kings 19:9-18 (Elijah and God's promise to spare those who do not bend knee to Baal) Stephen Miller on border policies The Chronicles of Narnia The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S.Capitol The executive order of pardon and commutation for January 6 insurrectionists President Trump pardons January 6 insurrectionists Listen to Curtis and David French draft politicians on Good Faith More From Congressman Kinzinger: Watch The Last Republican trailer Congressman Kinzinger's Country First movement Find on Adam Kinzinger on Bluesky Learn more about George Fox Talks Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
Can Reading Lead to Freedom, Connection, and Hope? In this episode of Good Faith Presents: Reading to Make Sense of the World, Curtis Chang and author-professor Jessica Hooten Wilson explore the enduring power of Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. Together, they unpack how this classic dystopian novel speaks directly to today's challenges with technology, distraction, and the loss of contemplative silence. Discover the hopeful themes hidden in the science fiction genre as Curtis and Jessica show how literature fosters resilience, creativity, and connection. Resources or references mentioned in this episode: Ray Bradbury Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury Kindred by Octavia Butler (pdf) Love in the Ruins by Walker Percy A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M. Miller Jr. The Republic by Plato (Read online) Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift (Read online) More From Jessica Hooten Wilson: Jessica Hooten Wilson's website Explore Jessica's books HERE Read articles and Essay by Jessica HERE Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook Sign up: Redeeming Babel Newsletter
In this New Year bonus episode, host Curtis Chang explores themes of motherhood and spiritual growth with authors Tara Edelschick and Kathy Tuan-MacLean, discussing their work, Moms at the Well. Discover how spiritual formation intersects with motherhood, as they unpack the unique challenges and joys mothers face in nurturing faith, building community, and finding God's presence in everyday struggle. This episode highlights the profound ways maternal experiences shape faith journeys, showcasing the powerful biblical stories of Hagar, Elizabeth, and other marginalized voices often overlooked by the church. Get 20% off and free U.S. shipping when you order a copy of the Moms at the Well at InterVarsity Press: Moms at the Well Use code: IVPPOD20 Download our free January Reset Guide Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Referenced in This Episode: Hagar's Story: Genesis 16 The Bleeding Woman's (Batya) Story: Mark 5:21-34 Elizabeth and Mary's Story: Luke 1 More From Tara Edelschick & Kathy Tuan-MacLean: Check out Tara & Kathy's Website Get to know Tara Edelschick Get to know Kathy Tuan-MacLean Purchase Moms at the Well: Meeting God Through the Mothers of Scripture
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown that led him to change his mentality. He learned that anxiety is not just a problem to solve. Although it can be difficult and painful, it can also lead to powerful spiritual growth. Receive the book The Anxiety Opportunity for your donation of any amount! Best of 2024 Collection Counseling Consultation and Referrals Resources: Mental Health If you've listened to any of our podcasts, please give us your feedback.
(Speaking with Nancy was such a highlight of this year. In addition to all we discussed in this raw, beautiful, candid, downright funny conversation, I'm glad to report that subsequent to when we spoke, Nancy was able to "ring the bell" as a cancer survivor!) We're joined by author, essayist, investigative journalist and the gloriously feral Nancy French. We discuss Nancy's new memoir, GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY, which involves deeply personal topics such as her experiences with sexual abuse, faith struggles, being a ghostwriter for politicians, and increasing political turmoil. Nancy also talks about navigating her long-standing personal and professional relationships amid the Trumpification of the Republican party; how the party has drifted away from folks like her even though Nancy's positions and philosophy haven't changed; and how her Christian faith has played a significant role in the journey. We also candidly explore the dynamics of interpersonal relationships, the complexities in religious institutions, and being resilient in troubled times. Nancy French is a five-time New York Times bestselling author, essayist, investigative journalist, and storyteller at the Moth. She's published op-eds and articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, Time and many other publications. Her investigative journalism into abuse at Kanakuk Kamps appeared on the front page of USA Today. Nancy is also the co-author of The After Party with friend of the pod Curtis Chang and she's the author of the new memoir GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY. 01:20 Nancy French: A Brief Introduction; 05:14 The Art of Ghostwriting; 09:53 The Journey of Discovery and Art; 13:45 The Struggles of Writing Your Own Story; 19:38 The Challenges of Confronting Past Abuse; 31:10 The Power of Love and Relationships; 37:47 The Struggle with Faith and the Church; 40:25 Reflections on Christian Faith and History; 41:16 Experiences of Divine Intervention; 42:07 Discussing Faith with Non-Believers; 46:19 Political Writing and Its Consequences; 50:12 The Shift in Political Identity (Despite Not Having Changed); 52:11 The Impact of Political Polarization; 55:34 The Power of Human Connection Across Differences We're on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. We're on Patreon! Join the community: https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion It would mean so much if you could leave us a review: https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social www.nancyfrench.com GHOSTED on Amazon - https://amzn.to/49tSNzO www.threads.net/@nancyjanefrench
What can you expect from 2025? From abuses of power to the health of millions, host Curtis Chang and “founding friend” David French explore five pivotal stories that will shape how tax dollars are spent, how immigration is addressed, and how governance unfolds in the coming year. The original Good Faith duo challenges listeners to remain steadfast in protecting the vulnerable and speaking the truth. Offering insights on issues impacting America and the world, they encourage reflection and action. As the new year approaches, David urges listeners to pray not necessarily for specific policy outcomes but for wisdom, the courage to oppose evil, and a resolute commitment to justice. David's Top 5: 5. January 6 pardons 4. What if RFK Jr. is confirmed? 3. What is the Republican stance on abortion? 2. Are mass deportations really coming? 1. The evolving situation in Ukraine Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Resources or references mentioned in this episode: A Brief History of Post-World War II Asylum Law Presidential Pardon Power The Constitution of the United States (1787) Statement from U.S. Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) on his vote to impeach The Federalist Papers No. 51 (The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments) The Federalist Papers No. 76 (the Appointing Power of the Executive) From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798 (letter) Job 21:7-17 “Why do the wicked prosper?” Karl Barth and True Practical Theology (blog post) Kash Patel's ”enemies list” Abortion measures in Florida More From David French: Read David French's opinion pieces HERE Follow David French on Threads
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown that led him to change his mentality. He learned that anxiety is not just a problem to solve. Although it can be difficult and painful, it can also lead to powerful spiritual growth. Receive the book The Anxiety Opportunity and an audio download of "Handling Anxiety God's Way" for your donation of any amount! Your Gift DOUBLES to Give Families Hope! Save 2X the marriages and families this Christmas with your life-changing gift today! Get More Episode Resources If you've listened to any of our podcasts, please give us your feedback.
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown that led him to change his mentality. He learned that anxiety is not just a problem to solve. Although it can be difficult and painful, it can also lead to powerful spiritual growth. Receive the book The Anxiety Opportunity and an audio download of "Handling Anxiety God's Way" for your donation of any amount! Your Gift DOUBLES to Give Families Hope! Save 2X the marriages and families this Christmas with your life-changing gift today! Get More Episode Resources If you've listened to any of our podcasts, please give us your feedback.
Reading to Make Sense of The World: The Wingfeather Saga In this episode of Good Faith Presents: Reading to Make Sense of the World, Curtis Chang and author-professor Jessica Hooten Wilson dive into Andrew Peterson's Wingfeather Saga to explore why fantasy literature matters—and why it's important for both children and adults. Together, they unpack some of the deep truths found in imaginative stories and discuss how these tales can shape our understanding of the world. They also share practical steps for making reading with your children a meaningful and transformative practice. Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Resources or references mentioned in this episode: Wingfeather Saga books Wingfeather Saga book club kits Wingfeather Saga television adaptation G.K. Chesterton's “The Ethics of Elfland” from the larger work Orthodoxy Walter Wangerin Jr. More From Jessica Hooten Wilson: Jessica Hooten Wilson's website Explore Jessica's books HERE Read articles and Essay by Jessica HERE
How does love show up in the creative recipe? In the final episode of the Good Faith Advent series, host Curtis Chang is joined by Wingfeather Saga author and singer-songwriter Andrew Peterson to explore the theme of Advent love. Together, they discuss how love inspires and sustains creativity, emphasizing that "art at its best is a way of loving." Curtis and Andrew reflect on the creation of the Rabbit Room community, Andrew's connection to the works of Lewis and Tolkien, and how art like the album Behold the Lamb of God exemplifies the power of sharing the creative process as an act of love. Prepare for Christmas with this heartfelt reminder from Peterson, “Jesus is God, and He loves you.” Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church. Other Advent Episodes: Choosing Hope When It feels Out of Reach (Sara Billups) Rethinking Heavenly Peace (Andy Crouch) Joy Is More Than A Feeling (with Chuck Mingo) Referenced in This Episode: At Home in the Borderlands A talk by Andrew Peterson Walter Wangerin Jr. A Prayer Book For Husbands (excerpt) by Walter Wangerin Jr. “The Brave One” by Andy Gullahorn The Borderlands by Roger Lloyd Living Into Focus by Aurthur Boers Adam Duritz (The Counting Crows) on songwriting Tolkien's Essay: On Fairy-stories Pit of Despair drawn by John Hendrix Behold the Lamb of God The Inklings Culture Care: Reconnecting with Beauty for Our Common Life by Makoto Fujimura George MacDonald "A Born Preacher" article by Robert H. Ellison Wingfeather Saga (animated series) More From Andrew Peterson: Andrew Peterson's website The Rabbit Room Hutchmoot A Guide to the Work of Andrew Peterson
Have you ever thought, “I'm happy to be in this with you, God”? In the third episode of the Good Faith Advent series, host Curtis Chang is joined by pastor and author Chuck Mingo to explore the true meaning of Advent joy. Together, they discuss how joy differs from fleeting happiness, and explain why joy deepens when shared with others. Curtis and Chuck also offer practical ways to nurture joy during life's setbacks and “in-between” spaces. They suggest meaningful practices that can become joy-sustaining traditions, such as affirmations shared with loved ones and gratitude-centered journaling. Join this conversation and discover how joy can be cultivated and spread during the Advent season and beyond. Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church. ENTER to win our Rabbit Room/Andrew Peterson Christmas Giveaway. Other Advent Episodes: Choosing Hope When It feels Out of Reach (Sara Billups) Rethinking Heavenly Peace (Andy Crouch) Referenced in This Episode: The Slaughter of the innocents The Flight of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph to Egypt The bombing of Martin Luther King, Jr's parsonage Black taxi drivers' role during the Montgomery bus boycott Handel's Messiah (original) Handel's Messiah: A Soulful Celebration Eyes On The Prize (PBS series) Reepicheep from the Chronicles of Narnia Imagine Heaven: Near-Death Experiences, God's Promises, and the Exhilarating Future That Awaits You (Amazon) The Songs of Zechariah & Mary Psalm 103 More From Chuck Mingo: Chuck's work at Undivided Chuck's work at Crossroads Church
What is Advent peace? Does it mean inner peace, world peace, or maybe peace with God and others? In this second episode of the Good Faith Advent series, Curtis Chang is joined by Good Faith contributor and author Andy Crouch to explore the true meaning of the peace promised by Jesus' coming. Together, they challenge common assumptions about peace, examining familiar Christmas messages through the lens of Scripture and the historical context of Christ's birth. By reexamining some familiar hymns and traditions, Curtis and Andy invite listeners to consider an Advent peace that acknowledges suffering and speaks into the hard realities of the holiday season—and everyday life. Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church. Referenced in This Episode: Watch Curtis and Sar Billups' Advent conversation about hope Read about Pax Romana (Roman Peace) Explore Simeon's words to Mary Read about the Wales Window of Birmingham, Alabama Buy & Read Fleming Rutledge's The Crucifixion: Understanding the Death of Jesus Christ Read one woman's account of the Camino de Santiago Read the story behind Silent Night Read the story behind O Little Town of Bethlehem Read about the Massacre of the Innocents Watch Curtis' conversation with Amy Low Watch/Listen to The Lord Will Have His Way Explore Andy Crouch's work: Check out Andy's website Check out Andy's work at Praxis Read Andy's book: The Life We're Looking For
What is Advent hope, and how do we hold onto it when life feels overwhelming? In this first episode of a four-part Good Faith Advent series, Curtis Chang and author Sara Billups explore what true hope looks like for 21st-century Christians navigating consumer culture, climate anxiety, and widespread disillusionment with the church. Drawing on her experiences as a caregiver for her aging parents and as a Gen Xer shaped by the fundamentalism of the 1970s and 80s, Sara reflects on the Gospel story of Simeon, whose patient hope in the long-awaited birth of Jesus offers a timeless example for mid-lifers, millennials, and anyone yearning for hope in troubled times. With practical tips for sharing Advent's meaning with children, this episode provides encouragement for the whole family. Make a year-end tax deductible gift to Redeeming Babel: HERE Send your Campfire Stories to: info@redeemingbabel.org Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church. Referenced in This Episode: Kate Bowler Everything HAppens for A Reason and Other Lies Misgivings About Hal Lindsay's “Planet Earth” by John Piper Engage with the Daily Office Use the Pray As You Go application Read The Morning Offering prayer Teaching Children The Examen Prayer Order a copy of Every Moment Holy Read The Benedictine Rules of Fidelity and Stability (PDF) More From Sara Billups: Check out Sara Billups' Bitter Scroll Substack Buy & read Orphaned Believers by Sara Billups Listen to the That's The Spirit podcast with Sara Billups and Morgan Page
Tune in to hear Head of School, Dr. Mark Carleton, chat with author Curtis Chang. Presbyterian School was honored to host Curtis earlier this month for a parent ed event focused on his book, The Anxiety Opportunity. If you missed this parent ed event, tune in to our podcast to hear some of his thoughts. This episode is now live and available for download on our People of PS Podcast. A graduate of Harvard University and former Rockefeller Fellow, Curtis Chang bridges the worlds of secular institutions and theology. He is the founder and CEO of Consulting Within Reach (CWR), a firm serving nonprofits and government agencies. His consulting work has won an award in social innovation from the Obama White House, and he teaches strategic planning as a faculty member of American University's School of International Service. Curtis is also a consulting professor at Duke Divinity School and a Senior Fellow at Fuller Theological Seminary. Prior to his career in consulting, Curtis served as the senior pastor of an Evangelical Covenant Church in San Jose, California. He is the author of The After Party: Towards Better Christian Politics (with Nancy French), The Anxiety Opportunity: How Worry Is the Doorway to Your Best Self, and Engaging Unbelief: A Captivating Strategy from Augustine and Aquinas. Learn more from Curtis on his Good Faith podcast where he discusses how Christian faith intersects with culture, law and politics.
Curtis Chang, Russell Moore, and David French get in their feels about Trump's win.
Are you ready to cast your ballot? In this final episode before the presidential election, host Curtis Chang and “founding friend” David French explore the tense feelings and tough questions Christians face as they prepare to vote. They explore how political instability might actually be a gift that pushes Jesus followers to adopt a mindset that seeks to defend the vulnerable, and when it's necessary challenges “people of good will.” Curtis and David also discuss how social media often amplifies instability rather than providing insight, the importance of finding a virtuous purpose amid uncertainty, and the need for prayers of lament. Referenced in this Episode: Read Curtis Chang's Washington Post opinion piece Anxious about the nail-biter election? Here's how to survive it. Read Augustine's City of God online Read Curtis Chang's book Engaging Unbelief: A Captivating Strategy from Augustine and Aquinas Read Anne Frank's The Diary of a Young Girl Engage with our course The After Party Engaging with Prayers of Lamentation: Learning to Lament: A Guide to Praying in Our Hardest Moments Dare to Hope in God: How to Lament Well More From David French: Read David French's opinion pieces HERE Follow David French on Threads ___________________________________________________________ Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening Join us for the following The After Party/Good Faith virtual events: November 4th all-comers election eve noontime prayer November 6th post-election podcast recording Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church. Enter to win the Good Faith Book Giveaway: The After Party Edition!
The Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent BacoteAs the lines between faith, politics, and patriotism have become, in some quarters, increasingly blurred, it is increasingly important to understand the origin, ideas, and consequences of Christian Nationalism — what it means, why it matters, and how best to respond.“Responsible Christian patriots try to show how Christianity can be a service to the nation; extreme nationalists make Christianity a servant of the nation.” - Mark Noll“If you think about the cross: patriotism, rightly construed from a Christian point of view, will put the flag at the foot of the cross. Christian nationalism wants to drape the [flag] over them. So is God serving your country, the sponsor of your country, or are you, as a Christian, operating wherever you are and having loyalty, but not your primary loyalty to your country over God?” - Vincent BacoteWe hope you find this conversation insightful and helpful as you consider the state of our culture and shared political life, and your role in reviving responsible Christian patriotism.This podcast is an edited version of an Online Conversation recorded in June of 2021. You can access the full conversation with transcript here. Learn more about Mark Noll and Vincent Bacote.Authors and books mentioned in the conversation:The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind by Mark NollGod and Race in American Politics: A Short History, by Mark NollThe Civil War as Theological Crisis, by Mark NollIn the Beginning Was the Word: The Bible in American Public Life, by Mark NollThe Political Disciple, A Theology of Public Life, by Vincent BacoteReckoning with Race and Performing the Good News, by Vincent BacoteThe Spirit in Public Theology: Appropriating the legacy of Abraham Kuyper, by Vincent BacoteRelated Trinity Forum Readings:A Narrative of the Life of Frederick DouglassCity of God by St. Augustine of HippoChildren of Light and Children of Darkness by Reinhold NiebuhrLetter from a Birmingham Jail by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.Related Conversations:Rebuilding our Common Life with Yuval LevinThe Challenge of Christian Nationalism with Mark Noll and Vincent BacoteThe Decadent Society with Ross DouthatScience, Faith, Trust and Truth with Francis CollinsBeyond Ideology with Peter Kreeft and Eugene RiversJustice, Mercy, and Overcoming Racial Division with Claude Alexander and Mac PierHealing a Divided Culture with Arthur BrooksAfter Babel with Andy Crouch and Johnathan HaidtTrust, Truth, and The Knowledge Crisis with Bonnie KristianHope in an Age of Anxiety with Curtis Chang & Curt ThompsonTo listen to this or any of our episodes in full, visit ttf.org/podcast and to join the Trinity Forum Society and help make content like this possible, join the Trinity Forum SocietySpecial thanks to Ned Bustard for our podcast artwork.
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown. He needed a change. Curtis shares how anxiety is more than a problem to solve. It can also lead to powerful spiritual growth.
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown. He needed a change. Curtis shares how anxiety is more than a problem to solve. It can also lead to powerful spiritual growth.
In this final episode of our series on navigating conflict, we focus on a fundamental relationship: the teacher and the disciple. Jesus is our greatest teacher. And as his disciples, we are blessed with two gifts that will serve us on all occasions (conflict or otherwise): hope and humility.Curtis Chang (Good Faith podcast, The After Party) joins us this week to share about radically recentering ourselves on Jesus and its impact on navigating healthy conflict.The After Party: Toward Better Christian PoliticsVisit the WebsiteOrder the BookListen to the Worship AlbumRELATED EPISODE(S)E135: Navigating Conflict - Love Your Enemy... But How? (Apple, Spotify)STAY IN TOUCHSocials: @afterivpodLeave us a message on SpeakPipeVisit our Website ★ Support this podcast ★
Today, we're talking all about the recently-released Confession of Evangelical Conviction:- What the confession is and what it says- Why we signed it and got involved promoting it- How the American church got to the point where a confession of very basic political theology like this is necessary- And after that conversation, we talk the many layers of Christian nationalism involved in the debacle at Trump's recent trip to Arlington National CemeteryMentioned on the episode:- The Confession of Evangelical Conviction, and the associated resources- The video we produced to promote the confessionCredits- Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our bonus episodes and other benefits at KTFPress.com.- Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads.- Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon.- Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify.- Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram.- Editing by Multitude Productions- Transcripts by Joyce Ambale and Sy Hoekstra.- Production by Sy Hoekstra and our incredible subscribersTranscriptIntroduction[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes in a major scale, the first three ascending and the last three descending, with a keyboard pad playing the tonic in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Sy Hoekstra: When we first started doing this work and we published our anthology, we went on a couple of podcasts about it. A common thing that people asked of us at the time was, where do you think the White American church, where do you think the like 81 percent of the church, the White evangelical church that voted for Trump is going? And the first time I said it, I sort of surprised myself and I was like, look, it's being cut off the vine for not bearing good fruit and thrown in the fire. There's been a long time coming of a divorce, like a complete split between White evangelicals in America and followers of Jesus.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Welcome to Shake the Dust, seeking Jesus, confronting injustice. I'm Sy Hoekstra.Jonathan Walton: And I'm Jonathan Walton.Sy Hoekstra: We have a great show for you today. We're doing something a little bit different. We are talking about a bit of a movement, a little, a confession that we have signed onto that we're a part of that we're producing some media around that you may have seen by the time this episode comes out. And it's a confession of sort of evangelical faithfulness to Jesus in a political context. And it is probably a little bit off the beaten path of kind of some of the political commentary that we normally engage in. And we wanted to talk to you about why we think it is a good and strategic thing for us to do during this season, give you some of our thinking behind how we kind of strategize politically and think about ourselves as part of a larger theological and political movement.So I think this will be a really good conversation. We're also gonna get into our Which Tab Is Still Open and talk to you about Christian nationalism and whiteness through the lens of Donald Trump doing absurd things at Arlington National Cemetery [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: But we will get into all of that in a moment. Before we do, Jonathan Walton.Jonathan Walton: Hey, remember, if you like what you hear and read from us at KTF Press and would like for it to continue beyond the election season, I need you to do two things. Go to KTFPress.com and become a paid subscriber. Now, you could also tell other people to do that as well if you've already done that. We've got a ways to go if we're going to have enough people to sustain the work, but we think it's valuable, and I hope you do too. So go to KTFPress.com, sign up, and that gets you all of the bonus episodes of this show, access to our monthly Zoom calls with the two of us and more. So again, KTFPress.com. Become a paid subscriber.What is the Evangelical Confession of Conviction, and Why Is KTF Involved?Sy Hoekstra: All right, Jonathan, let's get started in our conversation. We've signed onto this document called The Confession of Evangelical Conviction. We've produced some media around it. First of all, what is it and what does it say?Some Basic Political Theology That We Need to Restate at This Cultural Moment with UnityJonathan Walton: [laughs] Well, I think the question of what it is, it's words [Sy laughs]. Like there's these things that we put together, it's words. And I think the reason that it's powerful is because of when and how it's said. And so these are basic confessions that every Christian should believe, but it seems like the reason that we're doing it right now and that I've signed onto is because there are seasons when the discipleship and formation of the church needs to be plain and centered. And so being able to say, “I give allegiance to Christ alone,” and then have that be reverberated across denominations, across movements of quote- unquote, Christians around the country that are usually so disparate, they usually don't communicate, they usually disagree with each other in very public ways, to say, “Hey, hey, hey.”We need people to understand who don't follow Jesus, that when Gandhi said, “I like Christ, I don't like Christians,” that's part of the problem. We are part of that problem. Where we don't articulate what we know, what we believe, what we know to be true. I think this is an articulation of that, speaking particularly to a cultural and political and social moment that needs the clarity that Jesus can bring.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. So this is just to get into the weeds of it. It's a confession signed by I would say, the sort of extreme ends, at least to the people that we know about right now, I don't know who's gonna sign it in future, but center-right to more progressive left. And the basic confessions, like the seven statements of the confession are, “We give our allegiance to Jesus Christ alone. We will lead with love, not fear. We submit to the truth of Scripture. We believe the Gospel heals every worldly division. We are committed to the prophetic mission of the Church. We value every person as created in God's image.” And “We recognize godly leaders by their character.” So this is very basic theology [laughs] like you said. And you got a little bit at why it matters to put this out there, why we are involved. I agree with you. I think it's more about the context and it's also about who is saying it more than it is about the content.Because, and by the way, we should say we are giving you our reasons for signing this and why we think it's important. This is not… like there's a group of people that were involved in writing it, so there's lots of people involved who we don't know precisely why they signed [laughs] or precisely why the people who wrote it decided it was necessary. We're talking to you about our opinions. So to me, if you have something that says we pledge our allegiance to Christ alone, that's a rebuke of Christian nationalism to me.We judge godly leaders by their character, that's a rebuke of people who argue that Trump is a godly leader or a leader who has been appointed by God in some way or another. So those are important things to say. And it's with people across a pretty big spectrum of, as I said, the political range. Would Jonathan and I go a lot further than this if we said what we thought is important for political discipleship? Yes, we would, and you know that, because you've heard our other episodes. Or if you haven't, go listen to our other episodes [laughs]. We would go a lot further than that, yes. But we think, I think it's good to work with a broad range of people during a political campaign.Reaching a Broad Audience and Pushing the American Church to ChangeSy Hoekstra: Like I think when you're talking about discipleship at a moment when tensions are extremely high around theology and politics, it is good to do these kinds of things where you are trying to scale your efforts.Where you're trying to reach as many people as possible in the hopes that you will change some minds, both so that they will more faithfully follow Jesus, and in this specific context, so they won't vote for Donald Trump. That's one of my personal reasons for being involved in this [laughs]. And that's how you do campaigns in general. That's how campaigns operate. You try and call as many people as you can. You try and put commercials out there as widely as you can toward your targeted audience, whatever. Not in the hopes that the vast majority of the people who see it are going to suddenly be like, “Oh my goodness, I agree with everything you say,” but in the hopes that you'll reach enough of the people whose minds you can change to make a difference in their decision when it comes to November.You will reach them and you will start to be one of the people who affects their choices, is what I'm trying to say. So I don't know, that's kind of the strategy of it from my point of view. It is a similar way of thinking to me from the anthology. When we published the anthology four years ago, it was different because we were letting people say their own beliefs. And it was people from all over the spectrum kind of saying why they weren't voting for Trump in whatever way they saw fit [laughs], on whatever topic they saw fit. That was our approach. But this is the way some other people are going to do it, and we're gonna be happy to work with them in that way.Jonathan Walton: I think for me, I see the political strategy of it. I see the strategery that's happening, to use a word from SNL. My hope is that…Sy Hoekstra: From SNL 25 years ago [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. My hope… [laughs]. It was such a great sketch. “Strategery,” it was so good. “I'm the decider” [Sy laughs]. So I think one of the things that stands out to me, particularly in reviewing it more and assign it and then come on board, is, I hope that this is a Belhar Confession type moment for the United States and followers of Jesus. Particularly, because when we look at the Dutch Reformed Church, the Dutch Reformed Church was the theological backbone and framework for apartheid in South Africa. They gave the covering for those things to happen. It gave theological and moral legitimacy to a movement that was oppressive, violent, exploitative, and un-Christian at every level. Because there are Christian leaders who are willing to say, “You know what? This is really good. This is actually right. This is good and just, and God intended this.” And we have the exact same type of nonsense happening in the United States.There are quote- unquote, prophets and apostles and preachers and teachers and publishing houses and Amazon independent book publishers rolling out materials that say, “America first.” America is the kingdom of God. America is the kingdom of heaven. America is this baptized land on the earth, as opposed to being a land that is rooted in land theft, genocide, violence, patriarchy, greed and exploitation. Which it is that. It's actually not the kingdom of God at all. And so I hope that this creates a groundswell that goes beyond November 5th and beyond January 20th. And could this be a pivot point of orientation for people who followed Jesus to say, “You know what? Actually Jesus didn't say any of that.” If all of these people, right, left, middle, above, otherwise are saying this, maybe I should consider. “Oh, Randall Balmer said that, and Mercy Aiken” [Sy laughs]? “Shane was there too? Alright. Shane is on the same page as Curtis Chang and Sandra Van Opstal? Alright, let me jump in and get on this.” That's what I hope happens, is that it becomes impossible to avoid the question of allegiance to Jesus, or allegiance to the United States. Just like in South Africa the question was, are you pledging allegiance to apartheid or are you gonna follow Jesus?Sy Hoekstra: I totally agree with that. And I would say that it is 100 percent in line with the sort of premise of this podcast, which is helping people shake the dust and walk away [laughs] from the places where the word of God is not accepted as Jesus put it. And you let your peace return to you and you move along on your way.Jonathan Walton: Yes.How Did We Get to the Point Where This Confession Is Necessary?Sy Hoekstra: So let's actually talk about that thing that you were just saying. The thing where all these people from these different walks of life are coming together to make this specific statement at this time. How did we get here, aside from the obvious thing that Donald Trump is very good at uniting people who oppose him [laughter]. How did we get to this point in the church in America?Jonathan Walton: I think we need to narrow the scope a little bit.Sy Hoekstra: Okay.Jonathan Walton: Of how we got to this point, I think I would start at Acts 2 [laughter]. But, and then the church and then the alliance with the empire to escape persecution. Constantinople like Nicea, I mean…Sy Hoekstra: Let's focus on America.Jonathan Walton: Yeah, let's focus on the United States.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Zoom in a little bit.The Moral Majority Took Us Very Far down a Path Away from JesusJonathan Walton: I think that one of the pivot points in the United States is 2008 in the ascendance of Barack Obama. With Barack Obama, you have what was roiling and starting with Al Gore, but like can Christians vote for Democrats and still be Christians? Because with the ascendance of the moral majority, with what Randall Balmer talks about this coalescing around abortion as a position, and then the policies laid out by Jerry Falwell. And there was a conference in 1979 in Houston. Lots of organizations came out of that gathering. And so when those types of things occur, I think we are living in the wake of that wave, but that wave wasn't really challenged until 2008 when many, many, many, many people said, “Oh, I wanna vote for Barack Obama.”And so with the ascendance of Obama, then the question particularly among the Black community from evangelical Christians is like, can you be a Christian and vote for Obama? And that was talked about extensively in Tamice's book, Faith Unleavened, which is amazing. And that scene that she describes of the dissonance between the White evangelical church that she was sitting in, and the conversation she was having with her grandma on the phone, who she called Momma.Sy Hoekstra: Where her family was having a party because Obama had been elected and her White church was having a mournful prayer service.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. I think a lament session basically, for the United States being now overtaken by a demonic force. And so I think if we start there and move forward, like if this was a ray coming from a point, then the line actually starts to diverge from there, from the center point. And now we are actually so far apart that it's very, very difficult to justify what's happening. So if we're at our end points right now, we have followers of Jesus legitimizing sexual violence by saying Trump is fine. You have followers of Jesus legitimizing fraud, saying that that's fine. You have followers of Jesus legitimizing insurrection, saying that's fine. We are way, way down the road and very far apart from these basic confessions.And so I think people that are co-opted and indoctrinated by Fox News and the conservative White evangelical and conservative Catholic and conservative… because there's a smattering of Christian movements that have so aligned themselves with political power that it is very apparent even to non-Christians, that this is not Christ-like. And so I think for us, similar to the church in South Africa, to say, “Hey, we need to just make very plain every person is made in the image of God, and you shouldn't enslave, violate and steal from people.”If we could articulate that and do that, and have a movement around that, then I think that is how we got here, is that basic tenets of following Jesus have stayed the same, but forces, institutional, the powers, the principalities, and also people who chose to align themselves with that have taken the ball and run so far down the road that even people who don't follow Jesus and folks who just have basic biblical engagement are seeing that this is just not the way. And so I think followers of Jesus across the spectrum are starting to say, “You know what? This is a moment that we can actually speak into.”The White Evangelical ChurchA Divorce between White Evangelicals and Followers of JesusSy Hoekstra: Yeah, I agree with all that. I think, I mean, look, when we first started doing this work and we published our anthology, we went on a couple of podcasts about it. A common thing that people asked of us at the time was, where do you think the American church, where do you think the like 81 percent of the church, the White evangelical church that voted for Trump is going?” And the first time I said it, I sort of surprised myself, but I was like, “Look, it's being cut off the vine for not bearing good fruit and thrown in the fire.” That's it. There's been a long time coming of a divorce, like a complete split, I think, between White evangelicals in America and followers of Jesus.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: White evangelicals have had a whole long history of being involved in, as you said, in the exact same way that the Dutch Reformed Church was involved in apartheid, just being involved in everything. Every [laughs] terrible thing America's ever done, we've been there cheering it on and supporting it in all kinds of ways. And I think a lot of what Trump in particular, and it's sometimes a little bit hard to put my finger on why it was him, but Trump in particular, I think highlighted to a lot of Christians who viewed themselves as kind of like just nice, gentle, center right Christians who were a part of a larger movement where maybe there were some people who were a little bit off the deep end, but overall, these institutions and these people are trying to accomplish good things in the world and follow Jesus faithfully, realized that that wasn't the case.I think there are a lot of people who realized that they actually had opinions about what it meant to follow Jesus that were dramatically different than the average person in their institutions, or the average evangelical Republican.Policy Debates for White Evangelicals Have Been a Cover for Power HungerSy Hoekstra: Peter Wehner, I think would be one of these people, who writes for the New York Times. He was a George W. Bush speech writer. He recently wrote an article saying, “Look, Donald Trump has explicitly said that if you took one of these super restrictive state abortion bans and you passed it in Congress and you put it on my desk, I would veto it. I would not pass a national abortion ban.”Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Which for the pro-life movement, that's the end goal. That would be [laughs], that would be the thing they've been fighting for for decades [Jonathan laughs]. And he has said, “I will not sign this.” And do you hear anything about that from Franklin Graham [laughs]?Jonathan Walton: So Al Mohler was on the Run-Up of the New York Times this week, when you listen to this probably like two weeks ago, talking about how, “Hey, Donald Trump just said he's not gonna sign a national abortion ban. What's your position on that?” And his position hasn't changed, because again, it is framed as you all are the radical people, not us. We are the victims, not you. There's a constant revision of reality that they are gonna continue to turn out and communicate that is rooted in fear and a lust for power and control and dominance. And that is toxic as all get-out, and obviously un-Christian.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, that was the end of my point, was that a thing that people have been arguing for a long time, which is that, this focus on abortion, this focus on prayer in school, or this focus on whatever the evangelical issue of the day is, has in fact been about power from the perspective of the leaders.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Maybe not the rank -in-file people like marching and the March for Life or whatever.Jonathan Walton: Exactly.Sy Hoekstra: But the leaders are after power, and they always have been. That's what, if you go back a couple years to our episode with Mako Nagasawa, the first episode of season two where we talked about abortion. That's what his whole book is about, is the history of abortion policy and how it's almost never been about abortion. It's almost always been about something else like anti-immigrant sentiment or professionalizing the medical profession or whatever. It's always been about some other issue of people trying to establish themselves and gain power over somebody else. That's what I think a lot of people are realizing, and so a lot of people who are, I think more to the right in the group of people who have signed this document that we have are on that journey, like are in the middle of it.Or not in the middle of it, but they've been going on it for a few years and they've been rejected by who they thought were their people for saying things like, “Hey, should we maybe adhere a little more closely to the teachings of Jesus?” [laughs] And now they're saying, okay, they've gotten to a point where they're like, “I need to draw a line in the sand. I need to make something clear here.” And that I think is different. That is genuinely different than eight years ago when everybody was, a lot of people in the middle were just kind of waffling.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Yeah, right.Sy Hoekstra: Were not really sure what to do yet. And they still viewed the people on the far right who were all in for Trump as possibly a minority on their side, or possibly just something like a phase people were going through. Something that would flare up and then die, and it just didn't turn out that way. I think that's kind of how I view a lot of how we got to the place that we are now.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Again, zoomed in on America and not looking at the entirety of church history, which is where you wanted to go [laughter].Jonathan Walton: Yeah. And I mean, and I'll name some of the people that are key to that. So, Kristin Kobes Du Mez, like her book Jesus and John Wayne, Jemar Tisby's book, The Color of Compromise. And we could also throw in some Christianity adjacent, but loved by them books as well. So like all of the quote- unquote, anti-racist books, where people who are trying to leave the race-based, class-based, gender-based environmental hierarchy that White evangelicalism enforces, like I wrote about that in Twelve Lies as an explicit book. But you could say that Ibram X. Kendi's book is trying to get away from that. That White Fragility is trying to get away from that. That all of these books pushing back against [laughs], what now is called like Trad Wife and all these different things, it's trying to push back against these things. They're trying to call people to another reality because the one that some people have found themselves in is deeply unhelpful and not Christian.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. I feel like that's been like you're refrain of this podcast. “And also, not Christian” [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Not Christian. Right.Sy Hoekstra: And not Jesus.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Do we have any other thoughts on this subject, or do we want to jump into our segment?Jonathan Walton: I just think people should go sign it.Sy Hoekstra: Oh, yeah.Jonathan Walton: And there's a fun bible study there that [laughs] we talked about two weeks ago on the podcast and spread the word about it. I think it's gonna be a good thing.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, the link to the website, the people who organized it, Jonathan said, “Hey, you can put the Bible study that we talked about in our last episode up, if you want a place for people to go to scripture on these subjects.” And they did.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: So that's cool. We will have the link to the confession in the show notes, as well as the link to the video that we created, which has a bunch of the signers of the confession reading parts of it, which we would love it if you would all share as widely as possible on your social media, and share the confession as well. We hope that this, as I said, changes somebody's hearts and minds, has some good effect on some people both in their discipleship and in their politics, which is what we're all about.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Amen. There's actually a worship album that came out too. So along with Phil Vischer's cartoons for kids that can be shown in churches, there's a Return to Love album by a bunch of folks that you all may know like Will Matthews, Crystal Lewis, Ryan Edgar. These are folks that have led worship in great places that the evangelical world has followed for a long time. And so having worship leaders willing to call us out as well is pretty great. Along with Phil Vischer, because these videos will definitely be great for kids.Sy Hoekstra: Is that worship album already out?Jonathan Walton: Yeah, it's out right now [laughs]. You could click on it.Sy Hoekstra: I don't know how they did that that fast. That's incredible [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Hey man, listen. There's a thing called the Holy Spirit.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs].Jonathan Walton: And I think we all know that when Jesus moves, Jesus can do some things.Which Tab Is Still Open?: Trump at ArlingtonJonathan Walton: And so let's get into our segment, Which Tab Is Still Open?, where we dive a little deeper into one of our recommendations from the newsletter. And remember, you can get our newsletter for free by signing up for the mailing list at KTFPress.com. You'll get recommendations on articles, podcasts, and other media from both of us on things that will help you in your political education and discipleship. Plus, you'll get reflections to keep you grounded and hopeful as we engage in this challenging work together. News about KTF and what's going on, and a lot more. So go get that free subscription and a paid one too. Alright. So this is your recommendation, so let's jump into it.Sy Hoekstra: This actually has a lot to do with what we were just talking about.Jonathan Walton: Yes, it does.Sy Hoekstra: This is all about Christian Nationalism [laughter]. And Trump kind of stepping in it when it comes to dealing with his Christian Nationalist followers. So here's the story, and the article that I recommended in the newsletter was actually, it both gave the details of the story, but it was actually for me, an example of kind of the thing that I was critiquing [laughs]. It was an Atlantic article, and basically the facts of what happened are as follows. Trump went to Arlington National Cemetery, which if you don't know, is I just learned the second, not actually the largest, the second largest national cemetery in the country.Jonathan Walton: Oh. Huh.Sy Hoekstra: The largest one's on Long Island, Jonathan, I had no idea.Jonathan Walton: What!Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Yeah.Jonathan Walton: [laughs] I did not know that.Sy Hoekstra: So the people who are buried in Arlington are soldiers who served in active duty. Some of them died, some of them were retired and passed away later. And then like very high ranking government officials, like Supreme Court justices or presidents or whatever. So Trump went and visited a specific spot that had I think 13 soldiers who died during the evacuation of Afghanistan when there was a suicide bomb attack from the Taliban.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: And he did this basically to highlight Biden administration screw ups. You didn't handle this evacuation well. And so because Harris is part of the administration, he's criticizing his opponent. And he went and took some pictures, which is fine, but he then was like specifically taking pictures in this area and like narrating a video talking about Biden screw ups and everything. And an employee of the cemetery pointed out correctly that campaign activities are illegal under federal law [laughs] at Arlington National Cemetery. And they kept going anyways. And they got in a little bit of an argument with her, and then later to the press said that she is mentally ill and was having a mental health crisis in that moment, and that she needed to be fired.And, fortunately the cemeteries said, “No, that's all a lie, and she was correctly telling you that you shouldn't have been doing what you were doing and et cetera.”Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: But there were a number of people, and I don't know if this is a majority or anything like that, but there were actually some Trump supporters who viewed this as a violation, like something that Trump really shouldn't have done. He was being disrespectful to the dead, the troops who were there, by doing partisan stuff at the National cemetery. It was not necessarily about the things that he was saying, but just by conducting yourself in a way that you're not supposed to conduct yourself at a national cemetery.Sy's Experience with Arlington and it's Strong Christian NationalismSo here's my in for this. I have a very long history of military [laughs] service in my family. Somebody in my family went on Ancestry.com one time, and I have a direct ancestor who was a drummer boy in the Continental Army with George Washington [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Oh, wow.Sy Hoekstra: And somebody who enlisted in the Union Army during the Civil War. And my great-grandfather was in World War II in Korea, grandfather was in Vietnam. And my grandfather who was in Vietnam, he died when I was about 10. My grandmother remarried a very highly decorated army colonel also from Vietnam, who he passed away and we had a funeral for him at Arlington. And Arlington does like 20, 30 funerals a day. So if you're a rank-in-file soldier, it's like a very, it's an in and out thing [laughs]. But because of either his rank or his awards or both [laughs], it was an event, Jonathan. It was like, we had the bigger, more beautiful chapel, and then we had a procession, because I can't see, I can't tell you how many it was, but at the very least, dozens of soldiers with a commanding officer taking his casket from the church to the burial site, there was a 21-gun salute. There was the presentation of the flag with the shell cases from the 21-gun salute to my grandmother. It was a big thing.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: And if you've been to Arlington, you know that one of the key messages there is that the people who served America and the army served the kingdom of God, served Jesus. That is what they did. They served, and they may have died serving heaven [laughs] effectively. And so what that means is this is one of the holiest sites for Christian nationalism. This is one of the places where you go to be reassured with some of the highest level, like some of the world's greatest pomp and circumstance. The world's most convincing showing of pageantry and religious activity that the United States Army and the people who died serving it are also serving God, which is, you can't get more Christian nationalist than that.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Which is also why we have talked about Christian nationalism, actually far more common than people think it is [laughs]. It is absolutely normal in how we talk about the military. So what I think happened here with Trump is that because what I believe about Trump is that he's a conman to the core. He is pure... he's like self-interest incarnate [laughs]. He is out to promote Donald Trump and nothing more, and nobody more than that.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: I think he forgot that his self-interest can actually diverge from Christian nationalism [laughs]. I think that he forgot that he can step on his people's toes in a way that he doesn't want to. And he's basically going to look out for where those things diverge in future in order to not have this happen again. Because he's just there doing what he does, which is promoting himself anytime, anywhere at all costs. And he forgot that one of the things that he harnesses, which is Christian nationalism, is not actually something that he believes in, and so he can misfire [laughs]. The irony to me is that I want to gain enough power to do anything and not be held accountable for it to better myself in my own position, is a pretty good summary of how kind of the operating principle of the US military in our foreign policy has been for so long.So it's actually, it's like [laughs], it's two entities, a former president and the US military kind of clashing in their basically excuse making for their own unaccountability and their own sin. Which is how I view the Christian nationalism of a place like Arlington. What I just said Jonathan, is [laughs] blasphemy to a [laughs] lot of the people that I probably, to some people that I know personally. So I will just acknowledge that. But that is what I believe, and I think is true to the Bible. So hopefully you can at least give me that credit [Jonathan laughs]. Jonathan, boy, did I just talk for a long time. I'm sorry. I actually had in the outline that I wanted to ask you first what your thoughts were before I went on my rant, and I just couldn't help myself. So, [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Well, Sy, I mean…Sy Hoekstra: Jonathan, what are your thoughts?Jonathan Walton: I think one, I just appreciated the explanation of the closeness, why it's still open for you. Because I think when I was writing Twelve Lies, I wrote about the military, and I wanted to say, “Oh, they're only going to these types of communities to get people.” That would've been my hypothesis or was my hypothesis, but the research proved different.Sy Hoekstra: And when you say that, you specifically mean exploiting like poor Black and Brown neighborhoods?Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: You're saying like, “We'll get you into college, we'll give you benefits, et cetera, if you come fight and die for us.”Jonathan Walton: Exactly. And so…Sy Hoekstra: Potentially die for us.Jonathan Walton: Right, there's this exchange that's gonna happen for your body. Whether alive or dead, there will be benefits and resources for you or your loved ones. And so I went in with that lens, but what my research showed me was that the majority of people who serve in the military are family. Their parents were in it, their grandparents were in it, their cousin was in it. It's actually like only about two percent of the United States population is affiliated with the military. We're recruiting from the same groups of people. And this would also be true for law enforcement. People who were in it essentially raise their children and bless and send them into it as well as most often. It's not actually about income.The income, if I remember correctly, was between 50 to 70 thousand dollars a year in a household, which in a rural area is at the time, 10 years ago, felt like a living wage. And so that reality was also something that's interesting for me. So when Trump came out against Mark Milley, when Mark Milley challenged him to say, “Hey, you will not use me, quote- unquote, the military, as a prop in your racism, standing in front of St. John's church holding that Bible up,” which was literally the distorted cover of our book, our anthology, because these things were happening. When he insulted John McCain, that was a moment where the military and I think those who are beholden to Christian nationalism tried to speak up. Tried to say, “Hey, we won't do this.” But then the ball continued down the road.I don't know what the fallout of the Arlington stuff will be, but I do know based on Up First the NPR podcast this morning in the morning that we're recording September the seventh, they said the military and the employees actually let this go. But the reason they brought it back up was because Trump got on Truth Social , used platform and stature to say, “This did not happen. There was no altercation. This person had a mental health episode.” And when you go into that, that's where I think the, “We will not be disrespected” thing kind of came up. Like what do you mean? No, we're gonna talk about this and we're gonna name that. You will not desecrate this holy site. Holy in holy site of Christian nationalism, as you were saying.So I hope that there are more people that are offended, because I think that if we allow ourselves to be offended, to be bothered, to be uncomfortable, then maybe there will be some movement. Because I think you're absolutely right. He is, you said self-interest incarnate. I think that is a great quote [laughs].Trump Cheapened the Spiritual Cost People Pay to Be in the MilitaryJonathan Walton: What's painful to me, so I too have, my father was in Vietnam. My brother was in the Navy, my uncle was in the Army. My other uncles were in Vietnam. And Brodnax, the town where I'm from, has many gravestones from Vietnam and Korea. And so what is fascinating to me is the level of belief that you have to have to commit acts of atrocity or commit acts of violence. Like Shane Claiborne would say, we were not made to kill people, you have to be taught to do that.And I am in no way condemning a soldier or a person who's in military service, who's listening. That's not what I'm saying. I'm observing, it costs us something to do these things. And I think the thing that Trump did was cheapen the cost that many, many, many thousands of people have paid for something that they thought was a collective interest blessed by God when Trump said, “No, you are a pawn in my game. And I will use you for my benefit.” Now you again, you will have people that say that's what's happening anyway. Trump is just doing in like what everybody else does behind closed doors. But I think that tension that he articulates or brings up for us, I hope it's allowed to rise to the surface, and then we can have a conversation about the cost.Like the silent war in the military right now is that even soldiers who have not seen active duty are committing suicide. I hope it brings to the surface the, like my dad, Agent Orange ruined some of his life. They're still figuring out what the effects of that were. You have people who are saying they support troops in one hand, but then voting against resources and benefits for them in the other hand, when the legislation comes up. Lauren Boebert did that yesterday. I hope that the perceived belovedness of our veterans and military versus the reality of how they're exploited and taken advantage of and dismissed and cast aside, we would actually acknowledge that and then do real work to ensure that they don't end up on the street.They don't end up stuck on painkillers. They do get the medical resources they need. They do get the mental health support that they need. Their families do get the resources that they need on and off-base and not just a discount at the PX. If that could be the conversation because of this, then I'd be very glad.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. Just one more thing you said there. You said lots of people use the military as pawns and it's true. Or like props for their campaigns. It is just another one of those things about Trump where he will just do what everybody else did, but he'll turn it up to 11 [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yeah, no, yeah. It's true.Sy Hoekstra: Everybody else, every politician, if they have a military background, if their family does, if they can visit a military site or whatever, they do it all the time. And even if their love for the military or for America is real, it is also true that they use them for their campaigns [laughs]. Use them to prop up. That has been… since we elected George Washington, the general of the Continental Army, has been true [laughter]. Right?Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: So Trump is just the one who says, “Whatever your rules of decorum are, I'm going to break them.” And in most cases, that is actually his appeal. “Yes. I break rules of decorum and there's no consequences. And that's because these elitist can't tell me what to do and we need to take back power.Jonathan Walton: Oh Lord have mercy, Jesus [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: You need someone like me who can just break through all this nonsense.” You know what I mean?Jonathan Walton: Right. Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: That's usually his appeal. And in this case, it just happened to be that he crossed the wrong line for some people. I'm sure there's a lot of people who probably don't care [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right. It may not wrangle a lot of people, but I hope it wrangles the right people.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And him stretching out this poop that he stepped on and not wiping it off his foot and continue his campaign, I hope that roils people. He is a disrespectful person.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And for Christians, literally James chapter four, it's that God opposes the proud. We are called to be humble people, and so I pray for Trump. I pray for his family. Not that he would win an election and all those things, but literally that they would come to know Jesus. Literally that they would know the freedom in him. Literally, that they would be able to experience the freedom that money cannot purchase and privilege cannot provide for you. And so I say all these things in hopes that everyone who is watching what happens is disquieted because we should not be comfortable with what's happening. Especially as followers of Jesus [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. Amen to that Jonathan. Amen.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: I think we'll wrap it up there. Just as a reminder, as we finish, please again, go to KTFPress.com, get that newsletter and sign up as a paid subscriber to support everything that we do. We're centering and elevating marginalized voices. We're helping people seek Jesus in their discipleship and in their politics. 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Curtis Chang and David French delve into the multifaceted impact of youth sports culture on both parents and children. They explore how it demands our time, influences our social status, can strain our finances, and even affects our spiritual well-being. Listen as they uncover the hidden costs of turning what used to be play into a semi-professional lifestyle and discuss practical steps we can take to reclaim balance and well-being for our families. Bring The After Party course to your church or small group! Order The After Party Book by Curtis Chang & Nancy French
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown that led him to change his mentality. He learned that anxiety is not just a problem to solve. Although it can be difficult and painful, it can also lead to powerful spiritual growth. (Part 2 of 2) Receive the book The Anxiety Opportunity and an audio download of "Handling Anxiety God's Way" for your donation of any amount! Get More Episode Resources We'd love to hear from you! Visit our Homepage to leave us a voicemail.
Curtis Chang dealt with anxiety for a long time before the pressure became too much and he experienced a mental breakdown that led him to change his mentality. He learned that anxiety is not just a problem to solve. Although it can be difficult and painful, it can also lead to powerful spiritual growth. (Part 1 of 2) Receive the book The Anxiety Opportunity and an audio download of "Handling Anxiety God's Way" for your donation of any amount! Get More Episode Resources We'd love to hear from you! Visit our Homepage to leave us a voicemail.
We can't get enough of our friend Nancy French! Her debut memoir, “Ghosted: An American Story,” is available now. That's why we decided to revisit host Curtis Chang's journey into the realm of storytelling with Nancy as his guide. By embracing the narratives of our lives and recognizing the divine Author behind our individual stories, the duo urges listeners to explore family histories and origin tales to gain deeper insight into their journeys. Trust us, if you haven't listened to this episode yet, you're missing out on a classic! Order The After Party Book by Curtis Chang & Nancy French Bring The After Party course to your church or small group! Order your copy of Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French Free online journaling: https://penzu.com/
Atheist Richard Dawkins has said he doesn't believe one word of the Christian faith, but he now considers himself a “cultural Christian” and wants to defend the Christian values of his country against the influence of Islam and immigrants. Does this represent an alignment between the New Atheists and Christian Nationalists? Curtis Chang shares about “The After Party”—the new curriculum he's developed with David French and Russel Moore to help Christians focus on hope and humility rather than partisanship. Also this week, Mark Driscoll gets booted from a men's conference. And another infraction by a Florida man with a Bible. Holy Post Plus Getting Schooled - Mariah W. Stewart https://www.patreon.com/posts/100430727/ 0:00 - Intro 1:02 - Show Starts 3:02 - Theme Song 3:23 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:35 - Florida Man Scales Tower with Bible 12:00 - Mark Driscoll Kicked Off Stage After Calling Sword-Swallower a “Jezebel Spirit” 22:35 - Richard Dawkins, the “Cultural Christian” 36:40 - Dusty Deavers, the Country Singin' Senator 46:06 - Pray for the Middle East 50:46 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to https://www.blueland.com/HOLYPOST 51:54 - Sponsor - Hatch - Form better bedtime habits today with Hatch—$20 off and free shipping when you order the Restore at www.hatch.co/holypost 52:55 - Interview 1:04:34 - The “What” vs the “How” 1:16:26 - Four Quadrant of Political Engagement 1:27:19 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Florida Man Climbs Cell Phone Tower https://www.newsweek.com/florida-miami-man-climbs-cell-phone-tower-disconnects-power-live-video-1886494 Sword-Swallower on a Pole and Mark Driscoll https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-kicked-stage-strip-show-1890247 Richard Dawkins and Cultural Christianity https://christianitytoday.com/ct/2024/april-web-only/new-atheism-destroy-christianity-richard-dawkins.html Other resources: The After Party: https://redeemingbabel.org/the-after-party/ Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
Confusion and anxiety. Narcissistic tendencies. Spiritual abuses. As the host of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, CT's director of media Mike Cosper explored how these themes can wreak havoc in a church. Now, he's sharing his own experiences with harm and healing in church life through his latest book, Land of My Sojourn: The Landscape of a Faith Lost and Found. On this episode of The Russell Moore Show, Moore hosts Cosper for a discussion of hurt and hope. They talk about Cosper's work in church ministry, in his book, and while hosting the podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. Their conversation covers church polity, planting, and pastoring. Moore and Cosper talk about the importance of humility in an era of narcissistic spiritual leaders and discuss the importance of wisdom and suffering in tempering idealism. Cosper and Moore talk about reconciling stories of hospitality and kindness about figures like Mark Driscoll with the damage and trauma they've inflicted on others. They respond to the critique that The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill has made pastoring more difficult and encourage listeners to consider the importance of telling the truth even—perhaps especially—when the truth is hard to accept. Tune in for a discussion that is honest about the harm some churches have caused and hopeful about the church as a place of healing. Resources mentioned in this episode include: The Bulletin Land of My Sojourn: The Landscape of a Faith Lost and Found by Mike Cosper The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill William Carey “Jon Hamm on the Evolution of Don Draper on 'Mad Men'” Acts 29 “Land of My Sojourn” by Rich Mullins Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com. Special offer for listeners: Russell Moore will join friends David French and Curtis Chang in Washington, DC, for The After Party LIVE! on April 19. As a faithful listener to the podcast, we'd love for you to join us and use this $20 off offer just for listeners! The After Party is a free six-part video curriculum designed for people and pastors alike, and offers “a better way” for Christians to engage in politics. Learn more and buy tickets here—we've saved a seat for you! Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today. “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper Host: Russell Moore Producer: Ashley Hales Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens Audio engineering by Dan Phelps Video producer: Abby Egan Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
From Luke Combs and Tracy Chapman to Johann Sebastian Bach, host Curtis Chang engages in a captivating conversation with Good Faith contributor Andy Crouch about the profound significance of music in our everyday existence. Through insightful anecdotes and reflections, they explore how to actively listen to music and let it transcend mere entertainment to become a powerful conduit for meaning, expression, and even spiritual meditation. Join them as they harmonize on the transformative role of music and its timeless resonance in the human experience. Join us at the “Songs For The After Party” concert in Washington DC on 4/19/24. Buy tickets here! Songs For The After Party: An Evening with the Porter's Gate Bring The After Party course to your church or small group! Join the Redeeming Babel Team! https://redeemingbabel.org/we-are-hiring/ MUSIC REFERENCED: Olivier Messiaen: Quartet for the End of Time V: Praise to the Eternity of Jesus Johann Sebastian Bach: The St Matthew Passion Dianne Reeves & The Berlin Philharmonic (feat. Martin Stegner on Viola): “A Foggy Day” Luke Combs & Tracy Chapman: "Fast Car" at the 2024 Grammys
"God is never going to betray you—even if the church does.” So says Nancy French, best-selling author and investigative journalist, on this episode of The Russell Moore Show. French, who is known for her groundbreaking reporting on abuse at one of America's largest Christian camps, joins Moore to discuss her new memoir, Ghosted. French talks about growing up in the Bible Belt, where she was sexually abused as a child by her Vacation Bible School teacher. She and Moore discuss the importance of righteous responses to people who have been harmed, the ways institutions too often cover up abuse, and how all of this shows up in partisan politics. Their conversation highlights the power of love—specifically in the case of Nancy's marriage to David French—in healing from trauma. Moore and French also talk about French's experiences ghostwriting for high-profile families such as the Palins and the Romneys. They talk about shifts in political culture, the state of racism in America, and what it's like to be part of a church family that is primarily made up of people outside of one's ethnic culture. Their conversation also touches on adoption, online discourse, and the incredible work that God can do through personal relationships. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Nancy French David French Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French Joan Didion Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis by J. D. Vance Flannery O'Connor Frederick Buechner “They Aren't Who You Think They Are” by David French and Nancy French “What it's like to experience the 2016 election as both a conservative and a sex abuse survivor” by Nancy French Curtis Chang“The Four Horsemen: Contempt” (The Gottman Institute) The After Party Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com. Special offer for listeners: Russell Moore will join friends David French and Curtis Chang in Washington, DC, for The After Party LIVE! on April 19. As a faithful listener to the podcast, we'd love for you to join us and use this $20 off offer just for listeners! The After Party is a free six-part video curriculum designed for people and pastors alike, and offers “a better way” for Christians to engage in politics. Learn more and buy tickets here—we've saved a seat for you! Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today. “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper Host: Russell Moore Producer: Ashley Hales Associate Producers: Abby Perry and McKenzie Hill Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens Audio engineering by Dan Phelps Video producer: Abby Egan Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
In this first episode in a series on faith and political engagement, we delve into the intersection of anxiety and politics, as Christians navigate the mounting tension of the 2024 election cycle. In an interview conducted by DT Slouffman, Redeeming Babel's Director of Content, Curtis shares insightful perspectives on how faith can helpfully form our emotional, relational, and church life. If you're wondering how to navigate the coming months with both hope and humility, this episode is for you! Bring The After Party course to your church or small group! Join David French, Russell Moore and Curtis on 4/19/24 in Washington DC for a live day-long version of our After Party course. Learn more & buy tickets here! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-after-party-live-tickets-836892757767?aff=GoodFaithPod Join the Redeeming Babel Team! https://redeemingbabel.org/we-are-hiring/ Pre-order The After Party Book by Curtis Chang & Nancy French (available on Amazon) Order The Anxiety Oporrtunity by Curtis Chang (available on Amazon)
Today we're joined by Megan Basham, culture reporter for the Daily Wire, to discuss her investigation into the After Party, a curriculum written by Curtis Chang, David French, and Russell Moore, which is being pushed onto churches in an effort to bring Christians of different political backgrounds together. Megan shares how this curriculum not only fails at its objective but is funded by secular progressives: Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors. We discuss why Rockefeller's interest in bankrolling Bible studies is a red flag, including the fact that among the other initiatives funded are organizations that are pro-LGBTQ and pro-abortion. What's in the After Party curriculum and what message is it really sending? We also look at the "AND Campaign" and how it is also funded by the Rockefellers. We explain how politics is a way to love our neighbor and why getting it right matters for the church. You can pre-order Megan's new book, "Evangelicals for Rent: Why Church Leaders Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda" here: https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Rent-Church-Leaders-Leftist/dp/0063413442 --- Timecodes: (01:12) What is The After Party? / Rockefeller funding (07:50) What are their motivations? (15:00) What's in the curriculum? (32:28) The AND Campaign / moral equivalence (42:53) X / Twitter exchange about abortion / politics in Christianity (49:20) Can Christians vote Democrat? --- Sponsors: Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code RELATABLE25 for $25 off an order of $125 or more, or RELATABLE50 for $50 off an order of $200 or more at CarlyJeanLosAngeles.com! Seven Weeks Coffee — Seven Weeks is a pro-life coffee company with a simple mission: DONATE 10% of every sale to pregnancy care centers across America. Get your organically farmed and pesticide-free coffee at sevenweekscoffee.com and let your coffee serve a greater purpose. Use the promo code 'ALLIE' to save 10% off your order. A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! Jase Medical — get up to a year's worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". --- Links: Megan Basham: "Follow the Money to The After Party" https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2024/01/follow-the-money-to-the-after-party --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 607 | John MacArthur, Hillsong Documentary & SBC Drama | Guest: Megan Basham https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-607-john-macarthur-hillsong-documentary-sbc-drama/id1359249098?i=1000558899144 Ep 920 | Russell Moore, David French & the Fake Threat of Christian Nationalism | Guest: John Cooper https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-920-russell-moore-david-french-the-fake-threat/id1359249098?i=1000638231068 Ep 508 | My Response to John Piper, Tim Keller & Big Eva https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-508-my-response-to-john-piper-tim-keller-big-eva/id1359249098?i=1000539092606 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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