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The Legend and Scott sits down with Barbara and Nick Brock for another tasty and fun episode as we review Russell's Reserve 13, Old Forester Apple, and Michter's Barrel Strength Rye.
I'm so dang happy to be welcoming a new face to the pod family, y'all. Eric Smith, also known as the King of Whiskey Cake Pairings or WhiskeyMutant, is going to be joining us for the foreseeable future. This week, we discuss his journey through bourbon and whiskey, as well as his personal taste in how he reviews bourbon. Then, we put that to the test, and review the newest Wild Turkey expression in the form of Russell's Reserve 13 Year Barrel Strength. It's time, y'all. Enjoy! Become a patron of the show at http://www.patreon.com/mybourbonpodcast Send us an email with questions or comments to thisismybourbonshop@gmail.com Check out all of our merch and apparel: http://bourbonshop.threadless.com/ Leave us a message for Barrel Rings at (859)428-8253 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mybourbonpod/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mybourbonpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mybourbonpod/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisismybourbonpodcast PayPal, if you feel so inclined: PayPal.me/pritter1492
On this "Craft Distillery Monday", Jim and Mike try the new Russell's Reserve 13 year Bourbon. This bottle has been out a little under 2 months and has grabbed a great deal of fanfare. Some call ti the 2021 Bourbon of the Year. We will hold our judgment till we taste if for ourselves. Find out more about The Bourbon Roadies at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2612790862081576 Thanks to our great sponsor for their support in producing this episode: Premium Bar Products: https://premiumbarproducts.com/
Brendan, Ben, and TJ review Russell's Reserve Single Barrel Bourbon. They rate the nose, taste, finish, consistency/complexity, and value! Don't miss part one of this episode, where they chat with Elliott Finebloom, noted Wild Turkey Enthusiast! Smash the subscribe button below!
Today we'll be reviewing Russell's Reserve 13 Year Barrel Proof Bourbon If you have any questions or comments, or simply want to reach out, contact me at bourbonstuff@gmail.com. You can also check me out on Instagram under the username Bourbon_and_Stuff. Any donations (https://anchor.fm/bourbonstuff/support) to the channel will be put towards improved equipment, new bourbon and stuff, and even the ability to give back to you, our amazing listeners. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/bourbonstuff/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/bourbonstuff/support
Russell's Reserve 10 YR 90 Proof Dave-7.2 Pat-7.4 Beer of the Week: Pipeworks Death of Cool Lemon-Lime Pale Ale 4 Thumbs Up
Yes, we review bourbon. But we also review scotch. And, thankfully, we review rye whiskey. And the Russell's Reserve Single Barrel Straight Rye hits the spot! Tony Katz and Fingers Malloy (http://eatdrinksmokeshow.com) host Eat! Drink! Smoke! (http://facebook.com/eatdrinksmoke) Paired with Russell's Reserve Rye is the once-a-year favorite, the Avo Improvisation LE 2021 cigar. In a Covid world, fast food restaurants are expanding their dollar menus. Is that what the consumer really wants? The guys try fried duck wings with spicy, German mustard...not that you even need it. Fingers has the News of the Week, including North Dakota getting into the cigar game! Or, at least, trying to. What cigar should the new smoker, but bourbon enjoyer, try? Tony and Fingers answer your questions. Plus, Winston Churchill's cigar box sells for big dollars. Follow the podcast for free! Click Here! (http://bit.ly/eatdrinksmoke)
On this week's episode of Rolling Rocks Radio Brother Cody is out sick so Scott and Jerry start off trying to discuss various and sundry and end up discussing crypto, preping, and the best way to truss a pedophile you've shot for the bounty. Once the show got back on the rails the boys reviewed the fights from UFC 258, how Miranda Maverick just can't catch a break, the upcomming Bellator Light Heavyweight Grand Prix, and Icy Mike's AWESOME Chewy impression and his video on how BJJ may not have been CREATED for small people but it's a great system FOR smaller people. Icy Mike's video can be found here - BJJ is Not Designed for Small People... No Martial Art is. | Icy Mike vs. Chewjitsu If you want to contact us with feedback, suggestions, or just to say "Hi" you can e-mail us at rollingrocksradio@protonmail.com Rolling Rocks Radio is also live on the socials. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter Support Total Defense Martial Arts team member Andrew Undercoffer (AKA G. Campbell) and check out his book Dames and Demons, a Steampunk/gumshoe/occult thriller. Available on Amazon in paperback and digital Thanks to the team at Total Defense Martial Arts in Staunton Virginia This episode's music is "But I Am Shafts Of Light" by Maeth. Used under the creative commons licence - Sourced from Free Music Archives --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app
We are fortunate to have Brandon Hunt with Bourbon Charity to talk about their latest upcoming charity event that you can be apart remotely. We are cracking a Russell's Reserve Rye from Wild Turkey and pairing it with a Leaf by Oscar Sumatra. Pour one more...light up another...we'll figure it out together. Please Drink Responsibly Thanks to our sponsors: All of you that have been supporting us! Join our patrons at patreon.com/bourbonandbspodcast to help support the continuing growth of the show and the community. Tinder Box at Easton for the weekly featured cigar and check them out for their current weekly sampler at eastontinderbox@gmail.com Altadis USA for the weekly second cigar and the continued support BS Cigar Company for the continued support! Check them out at bscigarcompany@gmail.com for ordering the BS Gold and BS Silver.
Kessler Karain, PGA Tour Caddie for Patrick Reed, chats The Masters in November, US Open @ Winged Foot and the Race to Dubai while blind tasting Makers Mark, Russell's Reserve and Larceny The Birdies & Bourbon team had a blast chatting with Kessler Karain. Kessler is the PGA Tour Caddie for Patrick Reed. We chat about the Masters in November, his favorite chicken wing spot in Hartford, CT, the US Open @ Winged Foot, PGA Championship @ Harding Park and the Race to Dubai while we blind taste Makers Mark, Russell's Reserve and Larceny bourbons. Kessler can been seen on his Instagram page reviewing many chicken wing establishments. Kessler has had tremendous success under the strap on the PGA Tour. We had a great time chatting with Kessler over some spirits and we get into Cobra Kai, John Wick, Blantons, Swag Golf and more. Cheers. The Neat Glass. Be sure to check out The Neat Glass online at theneatglass.com or on Instagram @theneatglass for an improved experience and use discount code: bb10 to receive your Birdies & Bourbon discount. Thank you for taking the time listen to the Birdies & Bourbon Show for all things PGA Tour, golf, gear, bourbon and mixology. Dan & Cal aim to bring you entertaining and informative episodes weekly. Please help spread the word on the podcast and tell a friend about the show. You can also help by leaving an 5-Star iTunes review. We love to hear the feedback and support! Cheers. Follow on Twitter & Instagram (@birdies_bourbon)
Pairing the right pipe tobacco with your whiskey! This week Wild Turkey Rare Breed and Russell's Reserve.
On this episode, we feature our "Potluck" segment and taste a nice prosecco- La Vostra Italian sparkling wine. And what in the world is prosecco pong? Then we try Russell's Reserve, single barrel selection, non-chill filtered, Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey; a private barrel select. At a higher proof, this bourbon packs a punch!! And as we get closer to Halloween, join us for haunted tales from the Buffalo Trace distillery. Cheers!! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/married-mash/support
Our friend Andy from Campari got us a sample of Russell's Reserve 2003. Many have said this is the closest to Cheesy Gold Foil that a recent release has been, so obviously we couldn't wait to try it. Get your liquor shipped to your door at www.caskcartel.com Use code "dads10" to get 10% off your order at www.premiumbarproducts.com for laser etched glassware. It makes a great holiday gift!
Pour 'n Tell adds a pairing component as we are joined by Bruce Russell of Russell’s Reserve/Wild Turkey Distillery, Rafael Nodal and Tim Person from Altadis U.S.A. along with Jeff Borysiewicz from Corona Cigar Company. We will be pairing the Corona Cigar Single Barrel Russell’s Reserve Bourbon and Montecristo. Join us as we talk to Bruce, Rafael, Tim and Jeff about their respective brands and the pairings we are experiencing from their offerings. If you can create a similar pairing while watching, all the better. You can purchase a Russell's Reserve and Montecristo Tasting Set through Corona Cigar here: https://www.coronacigar.com/Virtual-Tasting-Packages/
On this episode of Chill Filtered, Cole and Robby are joined by guest Miles Ferguson (@kilted518) as they drink Russell’s Reserve Single Barrel Bourbon. They talk sharing whiskey with the uninitiated, Cole’s travels, and surprise packages. On Whiskey World News, Robby reads an article about the “Best Bargains in Scotch Whiskey According to the Experts.” And on “What Whiskey Would You Choose?”, Miles asks what whiskey to recommend for a girls’ night out. Join the boys this week as Robby works hard to keep his co-host seat.
Drew Estate cigars makes great smokes, but hard to find smokes. Luckily, Tony and Fingers were there for the launch of the 2020 Year of the Rat. Check out their conversation with Drew Estate's Drew Pearson about the cigar, the brand and the future. Tony Katz (http://facebook.com/tonykatzradio) hosts the Eat! Drink! Smoke! (http://facebook.com/eatdrinksmoke) radio show, heard on stations across America. It's a review of Russell's Reserve boubon, which at 110 proof hits stronger than you think...and that's ok. Fingers Malloy (http://facebook.com/fingersmalloyradio) has the News of the Week, including the insane lockdowns in Australia and how the police are doing checks door to door. Beef prices are going up and can everyone leave The Umbrella Academy alone? Subscribe Now! CLICK HERE!!! (http://bit.ly/eatdrinksmoke)
This episode is a quick breakdown of a RB currently being drafted as the RB 21 in Re-Draft leagues. A player that at his full potential could help you win a fantasy title in 2020. Oh, and Im drinking on Russell's Reserve Single Barrel 110 proof. Youtube video for proof.
On this week's episode we sample a bottle of Russell's Reserve Single Barrel while discussing the two current seasons of Amazon's Jack Ryan. We'd love to hear from you! Email us your comments and questions: DrepandStone@gmail.com and connect with us via Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or DrepandStone.com Don't forget to subscribe! Music by @joakimkarudmusic
President Trump is threatening to move the Republican convention out of North Carolina, saying the Democrat governor is keeping things shut down on purpose. Meanwhile, the people went to the beach over Memorial Day weekend. They went to community pools in the Ozarks. Coronavirus? What coronavirus? The real question is, were they right or wrong to go? Tony Katz (http://facebook.com/tonykatzradio) hosts the Eat! Drink! Smoke! (http://facebook.com/eatdrinksmoke) podcast, presented by Fanimation.com (http://fanimation.com). Today, it's a review of Russell's Reserve 10 year bourbon and the Padron 7000 series cigar. Eat! Drink! Smoke! was recorded at Havana Cigar Lounge (http://havanacigarlounge.vip) in Fishers, IN. Would you go to Las Vegas right now? How about New York? And Joe Biden is looking for a VP nominee. Who is leading the pack to get the nod? Joe Rogan signs a deal with Spotify that can net him close to $100 million. What does that say about the future of content, and podcasting?
It's been 30 years since the release of 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'. Enjoy some Russell's Reserve Rye with us as we discuss this movie and our thoughts on if it still holds up.
The boys are back together, albeit in separate locations, but that doesn't stop them from having a great conversation about what's going on in the industry, despite the COVID-19 fears. They talk about all of the distilleries making hand sanitizer from their high-proof distillate, the delays and cancelations of many events, the slew of TTB approvals for different labels and brands this week, and they include a blind review. We appreciate everyone who continues to listen, download, and share the show with their friends. We couldn't do this without you. Cheers, and enjoy. Please give us a 5-star rate and review! Become a patron of the show at http://www.patreon.com/mybourbonpodcast Thanks to our sponsor, Distilled Experiences https://www.distilledexperiences.com Send us an email with questions or comments to thisismybourbonshop@gmail.com Check out all of our merch and apparel: http://bourbonshop.threadless.com/ Leave us a message for Barrel Rings at (859)428-8253 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mybourbonpod/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mybourbonpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mybourbonpod/ PayPal, if you feel so inclined: PayPal.me/pritter1492
Welcome to Po It Up's first bonus episode! In this short episode, your host Mike Outcalt is joined by producer Rose Haag to catch up on COVID-19 craziness and talk whiskey! Mike and Rose warm up with Russell's Reserve 10, review Bulleit Blenders' Select Bourbon and discuss the Bulleit brand. Tune in and let us help you pass the time!
This week, Perry & Curtis...ah, screw it. We talk about the news and drink bourbon. It's a great episode and we had a lot of fun making it, and I really hope you enjoy listening to it. I'm gonna be quite honest with y'all: it's been a heck of a week. I just want y'all to know that I appreciate every download and listen and share and I just can't say enough about how much I love y'all. Thank you for your continued support. Please give us a 5-star rate and review! Become a patron of the show at http://www.patreon.com/mybourbonpodcast Thanks to our sponsor, Distilled Experiences https://www.distilledexperiences.com Send us an email with questions or comments to thisismybourbonshop@gmail.com Check out all of our merch and apparel: http://bourbonshop.threadless.com/ Leave us a message for Barrel Rings at (859)428-8253 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mybourbonpod/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mybourbonpod Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mybourbonpod/ PayPal, if you feel so inclined: PayPal.me/pritter1492
This week we wrapped up the 2019 season. We also talked XFL week 2, NFL news, Tom Brady drama and Raiders offer, Derek Carr to go, Jameis Winston decision and eye surgery, NFL important dates this off-season, Patrick Mahomes contract extension, NFL CBA negotiations, Malcolm Jenkins Foundation, XFL keys to success, Steelers QB situation, Nelson Agholor done in Philadelphia, Darren Sproles and Brent Celek hired, NFL 100 QBs, Browns Myles Garrett lying, Big Ben Roethlisberger on track in rehab, and much much more.Shout out to the First and 10s Podcast with Amy Voss and Jasmine Sandry. You can find them at firstandtenpodcast.com and on twitter @1stand10s.Shout out to The Goal Line Fade Podcast with Adam Gorzen and Daniel Bredin! Join them as they recap each week of the NFL season and off-season with some news, fantasy picks, and a whole lot of opinions. You can find them here or on Twitter @GoaLl1neFade.Shout out to the Two Green Browns Podcast! Cleveland Browns Fans topical chat Podcast. Join Browns fans John Cahill & Neil Dunworth for their takes on all the Browns news of the week. Find them here or on Twitter @twogreenbrowns.Frane concocted the shot! We tasted and reviewed Russell's Reserve 10 Year Old Bourbon Whiskey, and Kronenbourg 1164 Blanc. Follow us at @GoalThirst on Twitter and @thirstand on Instagram. You can listen and subscribe at our website, thirstandgoal.buzzsprout.com. To send us a question or comment, email: podcastthirstandgoal@gmail.com. Leave us a voicemail at 818-350-2680 (Be aware: we may play it on the air).
Bourbon South is back for its second season with Chase Parham and Steve Thomason reviewing bottles and talking life with guests of interest. They kick off season two with Baton Rouge radio host Matt Moscona. A routine guest on the MPW Digital Network, Matt has completely embraced bourbon hunting, collecting bottles and turning it into one of his main hobbies. They talk about talk radio, the media industry, college baseball and much more. Featured bottle: Russell's Reserve 10 year
Join the Whiskey Bros as they bring season 2 of the podcast to a close with a bottle of Russell's Reserve 10 Year and discuss: Star Wars, WWII, Pompeii, Fear Boners, The end of the decade, politics, Captain America, Snowden, and then give various fast food restaurants an official Whiskey Bros grade.
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Happy Turkey Day!! Since it’s Thanksgiving and all, Jon and Zack decided to review a Wild Turkey product, Russell’s Reserve Single Barrel Pick from Kentucky Bourbon Affair 2019. Choose a favorite Wild Turkey product of your own to sip while listening to this episode. Just be sure to not listen right after having turkey, cuz they don’t want you falling asleep during the show.Remember to PM the show if you would like to donate any onsies to Childrens Hospital NICUIf you would like to become a patron of the show, please check out our Patreon site. https://www.patreon.com/thosedramyinzersBe sure to rate and review us on iTunesFind all other info on our site!https://pittsburghwhiskeyfriends.org/those-dram-yinzers/
Steve and Jake sit down with William Marshman and Brandon Karst to have some of our every day favorites and talk Positive Momentum. As usual, we have some great conversation and learn a lot from each other while the conversation takes some different directions. The Laranja from Espinosa paired fairly well with The Russell's Reserve 10 yr. and we encourage you to try the combination as well. Sit down, pour a drink, light up, and join us in the garage. Thanks to our sponsors Tinder Box at Easton for the weekly featured cigar, Laranja, which is 15% OFF until 10/1/19 at their Columbus, OH location or you can contact for delivery. Altadis USA for the weekly second cigar and continued support. BS Cigar Company for the continued support
Hunting for rare bourbon is hard these days so many people have gravitated to single barrel selections as a way to combat it in the hopes of getting a stellar bourbon that is less expensive and more appealing. On this episode, we blind taste our way through a series of five comparisons where we try to see if a single barrel store pick can compete with past limited editions. We see if Weller CYPB, Booker’s Rye, 2016 Four Roses Single Barrel, and Elijah Craig 18 are worth the price. We also talk about flavors we prefer over others and how to create your own small batch limited edition bourbon as well. If you’ve done something like this before, drop us a comment with your results. Show Partners: The University of Louisville now has an online Distilled Spirits Business Certificate that focuses on the business side of the spirits industry. Learn more at uofl.me/pursuespirits. Barrell Craft Spirits is always trying to push the envelope of blending whiskey in America. Learn more at BarrellBourbon.com. The 2019 Kentucky’s Edge Bourbon Conference & Festival pairs all things Kentucky with bourbon. It takes place October 4th & 5th at venues throughout Covington and Newport, Kentucky. Find out more at KentuckysEdge.com. Receive $25 off your first order at RackHouse Whiskey Club with code "Pursuit". Visit RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the return of bourbon. Is it worth waiting in line or camping out for bourbon? Tasting store picks vs. limited releases. Weller CYPB vs Weller 107 pick by Cork N Bottle Booker’s Rye vs Knob Creek Rye by Westport Whiskey and Wine 2016 Four Roses Limited Edition Single Barrel OESK vs North Atlanta Bourbon Society OESK Elijah Craig 18yr vs Elijah Craig Loch n Key Wild Turkey 17yr Decades vs Russell's Reserve by Cork N Bottle How many barrel picks have you been on? Is there something on the flavor wheel that you don't like to get out of a bourbon? Have you tried to create your own small batch before? 0:00 Hey everybody. If you have a bachelor's degree and live anywhere in the United States, there's now a way for you to take your bourbon education to the next level. The distilled spirits business certificate from the University of Louisville is an online program that can be completed in as little as 15 weeks and will prepare you for the business side of the spirits industry. It's offered by the AA CSP accredited college of business. And this certificate was developed in partnership with industry experts to be one of a kind and it's going to prepare you for your next adventure. Learn more about this online program at U of l.me. Slash pursue spirits 0:37 dry oak or the sweet Oh, I'm more of a circuit. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what that's my nickname. So they call me Coleman sweet. Oh 0:56 what's up everybody? It is Episode 219 of 1:00 bourbon pursuit. I'm one of your host Kenny, and we don't have a whole lot of news but it's festival season. And for bourbon pursuit, we are fortunate that we are going to be at some of the most prestigious ones around. We had a blast last weekend at hometown rising and now we are headed into bourbon and beyond weekend, the whole bourbon pursuit team is going to be there. And we have different sessions throughout the entire weekend. So make sure you go and check out the schedule so you can be there. bourbon and beyond.com. Of course Fred's gonna be there and he's scattered everywhere. But Ryan kicks things off on Friday at 1230 with beer drinkers bourbon, and I have the final session on Friday at six o'clock pm called what is a master distiller. On Saturday, I kick off at 1225 with barrel finished versus traditional bourbon. And we're going to be joined on stage by all the personalities that you've heard on the podcast before. So we would love to see you all there and please come say hi to us. There's always going to be bourbon pursuit t shirts. 2:00 Hats available at the Fred MC merchant so make sure you take a second and stop by their last week mark 65 years as Jimmy Russell being an active master distiller and now he is considered the longest tenured master distiller around Happy Anniversary Jimmy from the whole bourbon pursuit team. Maker's Mark is unveiling its first ever limited release bourbon that won't require a special trip to Loreto Maker's Mark wood finishing series 2019 new release, RC six will be available nationwide this fall. It marks the first of many upcoming whiskeys in the wood finishing series. As Maker's Mark plans to release a new one for a limited time nationwide each year. You probably already know about maker's 46 and the private barrel selection program that utilizes flavoring staves. This release was finished and secondary barrels containing 10 wouldn't staves dubbed RC six the staves made from Virgin America. 3:00 Or season for a year and a half and then baked in a convection oven. Before being introduced to the cast drink bourbon, Maker's Mark made 255 barrels, it's bottled at 108.2 proof. And you'll be able to find it nationwide in October with an MSRP of around $60. Not only is it festival season, but it's also release season. And release season means all the crazies come out. And for today's podcast, we look at really what that means because they're going to be bourbon lotteries that happen around the nation folks are camping out in parking lots. And there's a lot of hate around flippers and liquor store owners that are trying to get the most money out of these secondary values for these allocated Bourbons. So our goal in this episode was to see if we can help folks out there not feel the fo mo or the fear of missing out. We did our best to blindly set up samples of past limited edition Bourbons and compare them to single barrel private pics. The results are interesting, but the best part about this is that you can do this 3:59 At home, find a group of friends and get together and have a blind taste off and use some limited edition Bourbons versus some single barrels out there. Heck, if your taste buds prefer stag Junior over Big Boy George t stag, you're going to save yourself a lot of headache and money in the process. But you can do this as well for things like ego or 17 versus just standard single Eagle rare store pics. And there's a lot of them that spread the whole gamut of a lot of the big distilleries are out there. And if you ever get around to doing something like this, we would love to hear your results. Drop us a line on our Facebook page or mentioned us in your Instagram or your Twitter posts. All right, it's time to dive into the good stuff. Let's hear from Joe over a barrel bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minnick with above the char. Hi, Joe from barrell bourbon here. We're always trying to push the envelope of blending whiskey in America. Find out more at barrell bourbon.com. 4:53 I'm Fred Minnick, and this is above the char want to take you back in time, a time and bourbon will 5:00 wasn't cool when bourbon wasn't selling when Julian Van Winkle had to trade bottles of 23 year old Pappy, just to get a magazine advertisement. I'm talking about the 1990s. In the 1990s there was a very important event that happened that would shape the bourbon economy for the next 20 or 30 years. And that is the Japanese market crashed. You see up until that point the Japanese market was the number one thing kind of keeping bourbon alive. You had brands being specifically developed for the Japanese such as Blanton's Booker's know as mill the entire small batch collection essentially anything that was a an ultra premium of that time was being sent to Japan because the Japanese absolutely loved and continue to love bourbon. When the market crashed. You saw how the company's decided to deal with it. You had some 6:00 Who decided to put their efforts on domestic sales. So heaven Hill basically shifted their efforts to focus on the southeast and throughout the United States. Jim Beam really tried to double down and like places like New York and Chicago and San Francisco, they had really concentrated programs there and united distillers, now the CEO decided to sell. Up until that moment, they had actually been making more of their weeded bourbon to sell to Japan under the Rebel Yell label to compete with jack daniels. They had this excess of weeded bourbon and they decided to sell it and they also decided to sell their brands. They sold Rebel Yell eventually to the company that is now Lux go. They sold it old Fitzgerald to heaven Hill, and they sold Weller the Weller brand and the stocks and the archives to SAS racks. 7:00 Those are three companies who really wanted the bourbon and they really wanted to promote it. And as we all know, that particular whiskey was quite good and made an impression on anybody who ever tasted it. And I often wonder what would have happened if united distillers decided not to sell their whiskey and their labels to three companies who really did care about promoting bourbon? I've thought about that a lot. And I've come to the conclusion that I don't think bourbon would have ever has been as hot as it is today. The reason why united distillers has always been a scotch centric company and they've never put much effort into American whiskey. The exception being bullet and you know, George decal is kind of like barely, barely gets any budget, you know, at least they're now they're, they're paying attention to it, but that particular company has never really put a whole lot of focus on 8:00 American whiskey. So I look back on that time today as we celebrate bourbon Heritage Month. And we enjoy this incredible growth and all the fandom that we have in bourbon. I look back to the 1990s as the people who truly made the right decisions that got us to where we are today. 8:22 And that's this week's above the char. Hey, if you want to learn more about the history of bourbon, check out my book bourbon, the rise fall and rebirth of an American whiskey. Until next week. Cheers 8:37 Welcome back to the episode of bourbon pursuit the official podcast of bourbon, Kenny and Ryan here in our secondary recording studios in my basement if you're watching the video you you may notice the background it looks familiar. And we have a new guest on today and I'm sure usually when people come here they're always like, I can't wait to see Kenny's basement through all his bottles, bottles, bottles. I like upstairs studio better. We got more room. 9:00 On the dining room table, you were a little tight down here, but we'll make it work. So you can see the bottles. Yeah, so when I was planning the basement I never really planned this to be like a recording space. But it kind of turned out that well now you have lights and the whole shebang. You know, it's like, real deal. We'll make it work. We'll make it work in the cramped space. It'll, that's how to happen. But, you know, today, today's topic really came as it was a good suggestion by our guests. Because when we think about the significance and what it really takes to go in chase after unicorns and limited edition releases, it's becoming almost it's been it's difficult. Yeah, it's very, very difficult. It's either your, I don't even do it. I just gave up on it. Like two or three years ago. It's like no, not camping. Yeah, you're either camping or you're paying secondary prices, or, you know, CP and other people are kind of like, Oh, yeah, well, I've got a great relationship with the store manager. I buy everything there. And and that's great. But sometimes you also need to take a step back and think like, Okay, well, I 10:00 If I just keep buying a bottle of bourbon every two weeks, and I keep buying a 12 pack of beer odds are I'm probably spending almost two months as well and I could just bought off a secondary and in my case my store relationship it caused me a probably about five to $600 in tickets to like concerts and football games and all that stuff per year so I need to add that tax on to my math whenever I'm like I'm getting these a cost Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, I was like that big man. We've a lot be actually cost you more than the second Yeah. No doubt. That's definitely how it happens. But So with that, let's go and introduce our guest today. So today we have Mikey Conrad Mikey, welcome to the show. Welcome. Glad to be here. Yes. beautiful, magnificent basement. Yeah. See, we like to hear that it's all about the ambience. Right. That's the town. So Mikey, you know, first off, thank you for coming up with this idea because this is this is great because we get to kind of look at more of the bourbon culture side of things here. We get to look at really what does it take to look at a 11:00 Very good store, pick somebody that is from a Baroque barrel selection group, or whether they're stores that are very well known for it, versus chasing after those limited releases, which sometimes they're pretty much the same exact thing as those barrel selections just either aged longer or selected by the master distiller for various reasons, something like that. So kind of what was your your reasoning behind bringing an idea like this? Yeah, I mean that the main reason is kind of already been hinted at, like, it just got really almost ridiculous to camp to spend time, energy effort, money into chasing things that you weren't always sure if they were going to pan out to be what you think they're going to be because of everyone else telling you that you got to get this bottle. It looks pretty, you know, whatever it may be. And so you know, you start to take store pics or single barrel pics from clubs or stores or bars and you're like man says really 12:00 Good, this tastes better than you know the special release that came out. And so it really is just come to a simple like reality that time is something you don't get back. And so for a guy who's married, you know has three daughters. I'm like, Man Am I am I just spend too much time trying to always chasing bourbon. Yeah, man. I mean, come on. So Miss three genetics and glasses of the past. 12:25 I mean, that's where some of the really practical I mean, thought came into play as like, really, like, how much time should I be spending and it's like, man, there's access to so many great stores in this area alone, Kentucky, Indiana, like man, there's gotta be some a better way. So yeah, that's what and Ryan always talks about opportunity costs. Being when you say yes to something you're saying no to something else. Yeah, you definitely always gotta think of the opportunity costs. It's that and then it's also you know, in the value of your time, you know, Ryan being an entrepreneur and owning a few businesses. He he has this sort of level. 13:00 Thinking, because I go back and I think of like my 2014 days of camping in front of liquor barn and being like one of the first three people there and coming away with a 23 at the end of the day. Yeah, sure. It was fun. They were good times. And now if I think about it, like what I ever do that again, like, is my time more valuable than actually waiting in line? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you gotta look at like your salary or what your earning potential is like as someone and and you're like, all right, I just invested nine hours to get this bottle. And it's, you know, 1300 1500 bucks, you're like, wait a minute, I could have just done my regular job and you know, done a lot better. But you know, but it's also fun to you got it. You can't discount that there's something in about going to the store going out for the hunt, hanging out with people to you know, get those bottles so that you can't totally just make it a numbers thing, but it's a Yeah, yeah. And nine hours is probably on the short end of the stick. Yeah, exactly. So it's even lower cut, you know, or even bigger opportunity costs. So, so I'm going to talk you know, we're going to talk a little more about these topics as we go but one of the 14:00 things that we're doing today is we are going to be kind of going into a double blind here. And this is going to be store pics versus limited releases. And these are store pics that I've had access to that I've purchased as well as limited editions that I purchased. And honestly, I told my wife I said, Let's set these up. We don't want to know if this is an Elijah Craig pairing. If this is a four roses pairing, I don't really know what it is. She really want to expose us. Oh, I mean, this is gonna make us look real bad. Yeah, okay. So so we're going to not not only know what the brand name, the mash bill, whatever it is, but then inside of that we don't know which one either one or two is the limited edition or is the store pick? Yeah, so we're going to go through and we're going to start off with our first one here. We were going through so we always know number one is on our left and number two is on our right. So we've got a lined up. So let's go ahead and kind of start 15:00 The process of nosing through these and figuring out I know what it is. Oh yeah, just by that. You're so fast, huh? Think it's a well or one of seven. You think you're going straight with the leader off the bat, huh? So I actually I have no idea I can I that was the first thing in my peripheral vision. 15:22 So I'll give you some ideas of what we have up line today. So we've got on the store pick side we've got a Russell's reserve from cork and bottle. We've got a knob Creek pick that was done to knob Creek right pick that was done by Westport whiskey and wine. We've got a nine year nine month OESK that was done by the North Atlanta bourbon society, which I chose that one because we're pairing that against a Brent face bottle which was the 20 1614 year old SK in addition to that, you know, we already said we got a well or 107 which is also cork and bottle pick versus a Weller 16:00 After perfect bourbon, which was a sample sent by Matt q six So Matt thank you so much for sending that along and hopefully we don't disappoint you here or hopefully hopefully we can yeah yeah 16:12 I really enjoyed the nose on this one I wasn't in love with the taste or finish or anything about it Mona maybe it's just cuz my first one 16:22 I'm kind of with you on that one. The nose is there but what taste might be a little weird Yeah, I mean we all profile on any of those on so they're trying to register in my head so this is also kind of the the issue with some store pics too is that a lot of people and a lot of stores? They will they always go and they want to find something unique. Yep. And so they try to find that that off profile one and so that could be the one here that is that is the off profile side of things about you Mikey need to have a guests on me and my guess is going to be way off. That's okay. It's got my brain. Ivan land I totally just glanced over. 17:01 But there is a big drop off on the back end of this thing. Yeah. The only thing I noticed up front when I first knows it was like some cherries and always get cherry out of like Weller's. But 17:13 that's the only reason why I said that. 17:16 I don't know. Wow, this is actually pretty hard if I just tasted the second one. 17:22 The taste is a lot better than the SEC. Oh, yeah. The second one's the first one. I'm going to go back to it because it was a little, like musty gonna, like funky? I don't know. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it kind of had that weird finish to it, but I'm like some like I said, that's that's one of those things where you know, you go into a store and that's what they try to do they try to differentiate it by having some unique pick like that. They taste totally different, which is crazy, like did Laurin do these right? I hope 17:52 I can't be 100% on that one. But I hope so. 17:57 Mikey, how many barrel pics Have you been on? I know you came with 18:00 On one. Yeah, I think, right around five, and maybe, maybe one or two more, but at least five. Yeah. Have you found to find those like off profile ones? Have you found them before, I have felt small profile ones. And my brains always go in toward the masses. Unless there happens to be a large group of folks that just wants something really off profile. But if that's off profile can be off putting to someone that has an expectation of something that they want to, they want to sip or drink that's, that's within their, you know, their taste, right? And so we even at a place like New riff, like we, we got down to our two, we did them blind, and one was just significantly different. And my thinking was, man, guys, if we pick this one, people are going to think we're crazy. Yeah, they're not going to want to ever again, right, but the other one was just it was great, had a great nose, super sweet on the front, and this long lasting kind of sweet oak. And so we chose that one. So 19:00 But usually when that barrel picks I'm pretty simple like I have this very like Check. Check. Yes, yeah. Minus or check plus and yeah, if the nose on something is really weak I have a hard time putting it into the the check plus category but 19:15 I do like the nose on a second one a lot better than the first there's Yeah, like everything about the second one better. So I'm not entirely sure what it is. Yeah, I'm gonna put my vote for two on this one. I agree as well. But I mean, we've had so Ryan lands he's been on the show before he sent us a sample. A blind sample once Brian if you remember that. Yep. And we were we were dumbfounded by it. We were going through because we were like, is this a ride? Like it's got this minty flavor. It's like, totally, that means we couldn't pin it down. And then he was like, No, just a nine year Buffalo Trace. 19:50 Like, yeah, we're like, I didn't expect that when we were thinking I was like, some will have families day, like eight years or something from MTV, you know? But it was 20:00 Buffalo Trace Oh yeah, it was a crazy one. So I think I got my vote in number two Yankee what's your vote in? Yeah number two hands down all right all right so i think you won't do the reveal I'm already on the guess oh how about just trade them off you guys can you guys can both do reveals about that so you're real all right Mikey go ahead all right I'll reveal all right so here we go here we go number a number a number 20:27 oh boy sorry guys a one number one is Weller craft your perfect bourbon OC at least now I new 20:39 stuff right 20:41 the craft your own bourbon you whoever crafted it did not 20:46 you screwed up 20:49 yeah, that's I mean that kind of goes to show you right i mean we're out of the gate we already just said that doesn't work yeah, I mean and go me wrong like store pick one oh sevens like they trade upwards of 21:00 Like $100 now, but the crappy perfect bourbon i think is somewhere around 300 400. So you know, yeah, I mean, it was a limited release. It came in a fancy white label, but I'm just like, thrilled. I got it right on the nose. I was like, you should just leave now. Yeah, I'm done. See? 21:19 My drop word done? Well, let's uh, let's go ahead and refresh or reset here and he does dump dump bug it Here we go. Here's a here's a dump glass that you can use. Just go ahead and do that. All right. Have you done a 107 pic? I have not me either. 21:35 on the list though, I had the opportunity to do it. Which you know the Yeah, I mean, the honest weird thing about doing Yeah, we're going to have a just a big ol Weller mix mix, right here. So we'll just do that. We'll save that one for later. Is it pretty similar to like doing a Buffalo Trace where you know, you get it's 46 barrels and it's very similar. I don't need that here. So one 22:00 So when you do the when you do the well everyone oh seven pick. I mean, it's there's literally no difference than what you were doing with a Buffalo Trace or anything like that. 22:09 Except you have you have this high anticipation going into it. Yeah. Right because you're like, we did it like we're here like we're getting the Mecca. Yeah. I mean, you think like, it's going to be like crazy and like off the wall. Like you're super excited for it like you get it takes more than a little Yeah. You got barely a taste there. 22:30 And then so and so we're going to use it. So like I said, you go in like super, super amped for it. However, 22:38 when we did ours, I was actually sitting there with a few of the guys and I'm kind of like, it might be like one of the few times in my life where you're like, like so crazy going into it. That you say 22:53 can we get some new barrels? Because life's all about expectation? Nothing. No, yeah, nothing was like you 23:00 We're over the moon about any of them. I mean, so it was just kind of like Well, I guess we'll just choose one of these. Yeah, I mean, they were also kind of doing us a favor of giving this group that I'm in a 107 pick at the story behind it was this is all part of the the bourbon cartel as we've had on the show before doing a 1792 foolproof pick. And we are the team that was there chose the barrel and come to find out that barrel was already pre sold. And everybody had already left like guys came in from California for this all this other kind of stuff. And they were like, Oh, I'm so sorry. What can we do? What can we make it up for you? I don't know exactly how you want no seven pick and they're like, okay, let's make it happen. Yeah. And I guess when that happens, you might get the the last barrels all the rejects right into the year. Yeah, it's like when Eddie Russell was that the Russell's pig and they're like, well, operations is on air. Nevermind. 23:59 So we got 24:00 UV here. So with BO buddy. Oh, here we go again. So I feel like this is filling 24:10 or something logic correct maybe 24:13 behind you might be, you might have he's got this he's got his senses dialed in every night. Every night he goes home and just practice I actually do now ever since we've done pursuit series like I've kind of like trying to not take it seriously but really 24:30 put some effort into it. I can train my nose and palate. I don't know. I mean, it's I don't know I enjoy it and you know, so I've really, I'll probably with on this one so I don't hide me up too much. 24:44 But I just know it's like an alleged occurred to me up the gate. All right. I can tell you after the taste. I don't think it's Elijah Craig. Oh. 24:52 I think it's a rye. Oh, yeah. Because I had one Rive blind set in here. Maybe it's like a 25:00 bourbon and then you get four roses and some of the different recipes you get some of like a minty profile to it as well so yeah there's this earthy 25:10 earth you bite at the end 25:13 yeah it's definitely like you said get the ride and it's really standing out 25:20 we are more like a kind of peanut II nutty kind of, well, one of the things that threw in here I said there was a ride blind so there's a problem is the rods that you did are like gateway rods. Yeah, well, I know I don't know if their gateway rise because of the ride that I did. I did. I did a knob Creek Westport whiskey and what it was for what sports really known for a lot of good store pics. Chris has been on the show before from there. But I said what's a good limited edition to pair this up with and there's not I ok. I tried to be a smart consumer so I didn't go out and buy like the knob Creek hundred and 30th or whatever it was. I came in the box. That was like 26:00 150 bucks, but I had these. These had a bottle of knob or a Booker's rye sitting around. And so I said, well mean it's still Jim Beam at the end of the day. 26:12 Both of them like art super dry, heavy on the taste. So let's see if we can see if we can figure it out and blind. Hmm. I'm worried. Yeah, she's like, 26:25 I'll tell you a story because Booker's right, I bought a few bottles of them. When I told myself I said, You know what, like, I have a lot of money sunk into these things because they came out at 303 50 retail. And I said, I said maybe when it hits 1000 What's the perfect boogers raw? Is it cash flow? Its cash. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like around 100 and hundred and 10 hundred and 20. Some most most of the Booker's around 120 proof. So yeah, you could probably expect that now. I'm also it just seems like there's a huge difference in the 27:00 First and second one. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Yeah, you might be right. I'm getting more ethanol knows on this first one. 27:08 But which one do you enjoy more? And the first one that I'll call like really 27:13 overpowers kind of everything for me there obviously, now that you said there's a lot more ethanol on the nose, 27:20 like on the nose and the palate and just really just takes over well and you know, also I can't be 100% of these are rise or not So, but the second one is so light, 27:34 and gullible. Is that word gullible? Not even close now, or do you think this could be I don't love either one of them, but I like the second one better than the first like now that I'm tasting it. I don't know if it is awry. I don't think it's a wrong at this. This might be the difference in the four roses. Yeah, because it could be the Brent face 14 year OESK versus the 27:57 the nine and a half year or nine nine 28:00 nine year nine months, North Atlanta Bourbons pick and I I chose both of those. I chose the North Atlanta one because the Brett face bottle was all OESK and this was one of the last store pics that I had that was also only OESK. Alright, so if you had to choose one where do you going with 28:25 I know hopefully their listeners I'm bored. Well 28:28 the comments going rolling around like I said, I don't love both of them. I think if I had to pick I'll pick two just cuz 28:37 like one just so I just get so much alcohol that I can't really taste much else whereas to I can kind of get some 28:46 basic bourbon notes you know a little bit better. They're both pretty underwhelming for me. Not underwhelming, but just very average number one has a bit more of a punch to me. Yeah. Which a lot of people think that 29:00 is hot or its heat. Yeah. I don't typically mind it as much. However, number two definitely has a little more subdued. Little more oak. Yep. And I like my tannins. So I know he does. Like, yeah, he's cheap for tenants. 29:19 Dry oak or the sweet. Oh, I'm more of a shadow. Yeah, I mean, that's what that's my nickname. So they called me come to sweet. Oh. 29:27 Alright, you want to reveal this one? Kenny. All right, I'll reveal this one. So I'm on number two. Ryan. I'm number two as well, man it is it's a close tie. But the ethanol knows on one. I yeah, I got I gotta go with to, to just got much more sweeter kind of reveal. All right, well, we kind of nailed that one. So this was the four rows. Okay. 29:49 Number two was the bread face bottle. It was the 14 year OESK barrel strength Limited Edition. And then the first one was the nine year nine months. 30:00 SK gotcha so in this particular instance the limit earliest when the limited release me yes so how about it? Alright, so let's go ahead and dump them out and get ready for them the first one was a store pick right the Yes The first one was the store pick that's correct grab another glass over there Ron if you can and will create our glass or dump glass over here. Mikey are the ones you've been on where the most memorable barrel pics or any stories from those two mean hopefully the one you went on with us but yeah you know no pressure 30:33 I mean Buffalo Trace is always on someone's just picking a barrel there and doesn't matter really what whiskey it is the set to get into a pickle Buffalo Trace it's on everyone's list right? So that one was great. I really as far as like tours go and overall barrel picking experience, man I mean castle and key. They they even though they don't have anything on the market yet, like the ability to taste arrived or weeded and then lay it back. 31:00 down. I mean, the experience overall was really great there. So I feel like Yeah, it was. That was overall my best so far. And you know, Buffalo Trace was great as well. But out of the out of the few that I've done, castle and key was, was hands down my favorite. And usually I'll try to point people toward a tour there for coming in from out of town, the castle and key I was kind of blown away with like, I'd seen it before the renovation and went, I knows time sensitive information. But last week, you know, last weekend did a pin hook pic with the breaking bourbon guys and man, that place is awesome. Like it is like the gardens are beautiful. Like all the architecture inside like it's a great blend of like modern architecture with old architecture like I just 31:47 I mean, it comes with a steep price tag. I think they said their tours are like 30 bucks. Yeah, for an hour. But I mean, but I know that I mean it's totally different. Like you could literally spend Well, we did spend six hours 32:00 If you wanted to you could spend all day there. I mean, it's it's a great beautiful location. Yeah. If you're a history nerd like I am. So there is that kind of on beyond that adds to the experience. Yeah. I mean new riff they're new, but man, they take care of you really well, there as well. So some of it is just, it's just different. So that's, that's the reality of some of these pics. Like, some might not be better than the other but who's our least favorite? Should we not say that we bought and again, bye bye. Yeah. My bad. No, don't do that. 32:32 There's really not some that are, like terrible, right? None are actually terrible. 32:38 I mean, the only ones that are terrible. 32:41 Maybe my opinion is terrible is that you don't even actually go in the barrel pick. You just have the sample ship tonight. Yeah, like that's just Yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously, geographic geography kind of plays a role in that. But yeah, it's it's not as exciting. Well, it's just part of what it is though. There's probably very few people that go on a barrel pick and walk away, saying 33:00 I wish I would have done that barrel pick. 33:03 Yeah, that's that's probably very true. So I just so we're here at letter C Now I keep wanting to say the number c so letter C, and often knows like the nose right away like I'm like pulling number two, like way ahead of the pack here. Yeah. 33:21 They're both the both noses are far better than the ones from the last rounds. Like on the these two. So we're tasting right now trying to figure out exactly I know where we are. Right? We are. We are easily and Eliza Craig land. Yeah, this is totally worked on. I gave that spiel about how I'm taking seriously, I'm failing pursuit series. That's okay. But I mean, this is a work in progress. So, you know, the life of Craig brain in itself, like I'm a huge fan of it. Oh, yeah, they're, they're doing it. They're doing a lot of good things in regards of not only putting out what people have been asking for for years, which was a very 34:00 Proof release, you know, they brought out should I say reintroduce the 18 and 23 year expressions A few years ago, the only thing that you can't find anymore is the 21 year expression. But you know, honestly out of those older expressions and by the way i can tell you OA you can totally tell right just first said what each one is. Yeah, so I can tell you exactly the comparison here what we're looking at and ones and Elijah Craig 18 year another is an Elijah Craig store pick that was done by the lock and key society so lock Oh, I thought you were saying the first class logic Craig. I'm like, No, it's not. A second one is why I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, but I'm just saying. I'm just saying the lineup and so anybody that's unfamiliar lock and key is based out of Julio up a New England. They're a pretty big player in that that store pic world. They've been doing it for years and years and years. I've actually got an old store pick. I'm down. I think my last job 35:00 of one of the the last ever Bernheim we store pics that were ever available. Heaven Hill what opened up to doing your own Evan Williams your own Bernheim, your own header mechanic all that sort of stuff then they kind of put the handcuffs on you to is definitely got to be the 18 and one is the 35:21 it's that eight to 12 year like Elijah Craig got the nutty toffee candy bar notes like stuff I enjoy so I'm definitely like one year program pick to the Hollywood pick two. But you know when I was when I was talking to Mikey about this and we were talking about store pics versus limited releases I actually thought I didn't do it but I thought about doing it because it's not actually technically a store pick or store release. But I said what if we did an Elijah Craig barrel proof versus like a nine year like will it family estate? Oh, yeah, I was like that one actually might be that would be pretty comparable. Well, obviously it is comparable. 35:59 It's the same exact 36:00 Liquid but both of these are really good Actually, I prefer one just because it's kind of got some of the sweeter not your candy bar kind of notes that I like. But that's just preference and I think number one, it's pretty easy to see that the 94 proof plan Oh yeah. And that's I think that's also evolving on both of them. They're both very light. Well, I mean, Mikey, like, tell me about this like, what would what in the market would change if heaven Hill opened up a logic Craig program and they just said, Yeah, put it a barrel proof. Yeah, I mean, you're going to get a wider range. I think of a first off people wanting Elijah Craig. Because it is it is very 36:44 I don't want this I don't want us to use the word delicate but I will use the word LB feels very delicate. When you put it next to the the UCLA team. There's a lot more depth to it. I think there could be a lot more depth to a single barrel pic of alleged credible 37:00 Proof if they would just open that up I guess it just depends on your consumer so like if you're you know the the first one like for what I think it's going to appeal to more of a almost a common but i mean you know like you know it's just because it's it's not the it's not the enthusiast in mind here it's very approachable very enjoyable but like get to you're definitely gonna get like you said more complexity depth 37:28 to might be more off putting to like a common consumer I'd say common but like, you know, or new consumer but I don't know depends on your consumer but I want the barrel proof because it's logical. Operators are always home runs like I've never had a bad one. Can't say I've ever had one. Well, I mean, there's the mean. So you know, Mike Sahni personally so you know that there's a lot that actually goes into making sure that an electric guard barrel proof isn't just a mistake, either right? Like Like they, they choose barrels specifically that go in 38:00 into it 38:02 which is a little bit different you know we've we've talked to the people that haven't Hill and when you talk about Elijah Craig 23 or when you try to find 23 year old barrels, it's actually very very hard. Yeah, and end up dumping a lot of them into like, just Edwin's Black Label because it's so it's so it's undrinkable. Yes. It's the oak is just overpowered. There's a bank on that point, right? There's, there's Law of Diminishing Returns without like, you know, can and somebody went the good thing I learned to catch lucky with the Pinot guy, because I was like, so how do you? You know, you have a really good barrel it say like 12 to 14 years. Like do you bottle dinner? Do you let it age? Do you know to keep will I keep improving? And he's like, No, he's like, Do you want something that's going to age you need something that's really soft, elegant, sweet at that age, because the folks really at 15 1617 is really going to start to overpower it. If it's already ready, you know, does that make sense? Oh, no, it makes sense. And so that that was kind of an 39:00 Lighting because we talked about, you know, US buying some 14 year and sitting on it for three to four years. But we were like, how do you This one's really great. Should we just because it's so great we hang on to it or should we look for something that's will do better with age? And that was kind of good advice. Yeah. And it's always a it's always a costly mistake if it never works. 39:21 Well, we'll just bottle it anyway. 39:24 No, okay, so let's go ahead let's reveal this one because I think I think this one yeah, is as bad as it sounds like I knew the bottles I chose them going into it. However, I let my wife figure out exactly what we should do. However, I thought we had Yeah, it's it's I mean, we want to live correct tangent for 39:44 a bit funny. It feels like not Brussels. 39:48 It would have been funny, but yeah, this one's too easy. The locking key and see Tuesday 18 years. Oh, yeah. Alright, so good work. So I mean, but the thing is, is like I don't mind 40:00 lock and key one like you're right like it's totally like a good drinkable bourbon. Yeah, for an average consumer that just wants to get into it. However, 40:10 I don't know if a lot of the electric barrel pics are speaking to the the enthusiastic market yeah maybe they'll keep going it's still fun it's still fun to go you know you talk to people from like bourbon Crusaders and they come out with a lot of good pics too. And the thing is, is though it's just kind of like I just wish they didn't take it down in 94 proof you know there's there's something about when you cross under that hundred threshold that I don't know Mikey, have you found anything underneath 100 that you're like, Hey, you know, like I can do this every single day like there's one there's one bottle and Brandon I do and I did this in the blind. So that's how I know. But maybe I don't know the proof. Exactly. But George Remus. I tend to like I like that bottle. 40:59 Not a fan of 41:00 why they chose George Remus of all people But anyways, you're part of the ground 41:07 and stuff is not necessary someone to model your life after. But But Remus Yeah, I love I love that bottle. I love the bourbon in it. I think it might be 90 proof. Yeah, typically under 100 proof like, like, you have to get into some dusty. He's like, okay, dads, and I mean, and we're like, 41:27 you know, like Victor's 20s or something, you know, because they're 94 proof or they actually might be right I don't know I've got one back there but I don't feel like getting up and looking at it. And so we're handing everything to Ryan do not mix see one and see two together like because 41:44 ECA teams just too good. I like it like it. Yeah. For me, for me. I love Elijah Craig a team when I am I'm sitting in the basement, and it's late at night. And like, I can't do like a barrel proof. Like it's just it's just like 42:00 I'm not able to go to sleep at night if I if I got that back in the bottle well who knows I've got it's a long day ahead of us still so yeah, you know I liked 18 I mean it for me the tags really sit and kind of dry and just like on the in which it kind of sits there and lingers for a bit and I'm like hi go away please 42:20 see not me I mean I'm Mike What about you like Do you like tannins? Because I like I said I like a lot of rich oak complexity complexity that what those really bring into it. I mean, that's it for me when you when you get a lot of oak that means that the barrel is doing something like tremendous and that's that's really what I get out of it. Yeah, I I'm a fan of the sweet oak if you can give me a finish with a sweet oak and like a dried cherry name that just last four days. Yeah, I mean, sign me up. Sign me up. Not a fan of the dry. Oh because much. I feel like it's got my get your lip smacking back and forth. 43:00 And just makes you thirsty. Not a big fan of the drive but the sweet Oh yeah, it doesn't make you feel like oh man you can you can almost taste the process. Yeah a little bit so I'm with you on that one and that's what I mean I'm a fan of just open general because it definitely is more of an overpowering flavor like up. 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Use code pursuit for $25 off 45:00 Your first box 45:04 I'll put it to you guys is like is there is there something on the flavor wheel right i mean we've all seen before that that you don't like to get out of a bourbon. I mean for me definitely like some people some people are like oh I don't like like orange zest or orange peel or whatever No, I mean honestly I like freer freer whiskies I really like 45:25 like I'm with you know we're talking the barrel guys I really like when you get those like great notes and just too much because very off putting for me, like like he said, he gets dry and you're smacking your lips and like trying to get some moisture back into your 45:42 region, you know, but 45:45 other than that, I mean, I obviously I hate young stuff like where you just get green forward, you know, grassy or like, where it's like hey are you know, we I won't name any names, but we've had, we've had 46:00 You know, that's just very off putting for me. I agree. I agree. It's the last thing you want to do is sit there and expect something and then all of a sudden, it's like, Did I just mow my grass a second video? And that's in my mouth? Yep. Yeah, for sure. Alright, so now we're on letter D. So, you all won that one. Right? Well, I mean, I should say you all, like I said, I'm a nice person. Yeah, I think like I said, I'm just a fan of of what they do there. However, you know, that's the limited release, you know, so limited releases up to two one. Well, that's a hard one, though, because it's because it wasn't the same proof. It wasn't, you know, yeah. You can get in the gift shop almost every day. Right. Exactly. So no, not this isn't limited to Maryland, Maryland. Okay, that's a hard one. Yeah. And, and, you know, there's it To be honest, like there's a lot of things that we thought about that we couldn't do today. So, we looked at the the potential of doing an old forester single barrel versus an old forester birthday. 47:00 But I would have been a good one. Yeah, problem is, we haven't been on old forester. 47:05 And I guess we need to probably line that up. But the other thing it was like, just weren't thinking ahead of time enough to be able I sounds like a little like, let's go ahead and get it. And then the other one was looking at 47:20 Oh, gosh, I'm like looking at the bar thinking, Oh, yeah, we're looking at doing like a and this is not even a store pic versus limited release. But this is like a Sazerac rye versus a Thomas h handy. Yeah, it's like the proof 47:33 is me too crazy. Like you go you'll be able to pick it out like well that's and that's the problem is that like to do any of these with the the antique collection actually be pretty difficult to do. Because you could do a stag where's the stag Jr. Maybe? That was about as close as you could probably get. But you know, when you look at Eagle rare 17 versus regular Eagle rare, I think you're gonna hit the same exact problem that you saw at the Elijah Craig. It's just gonna be 48:00 Rich of depth of the oak. The same thing was Sazerac, 18 and Sasha cry, it's just going to be the richness and depth, I mean, you're going to hit that same problem no matter where you go. 48:12 So there is there is a reason why they make limited releases. It's just trying to find some of those limited releases that matched sort of the either the same proof or profile or age that I think that you really need to try to find and get out of this. 48:27 I love the nose on both of these. Actually. 48:31 That's pretty common with Russell's, which I think this is I don't think so. The other thing is the Russell's, or anything. It's raw, I guess, right? I mean, I haven't tasted it yet. But it's only because I know. 48:43 Because, you know, right now see, I need to stop it. Okay. 48:50 So far? Yeah, we've been pretty good. So Mike, you all kind of point this question over to you because I know that there's a lot of people out there. Travis Hill. He's been Oh yeah, for totally rock and 49:00 Yeah, there you go. And there's a lot of people out there that try to make their own four roses. Limited Edition small batch. I mean have you have you looked at creating your own kind of like small batch out of like different store pics or anything like that before I've not done it with great strategic content to create a certain brand or for the lease I have done the you know, the classic blend bottle or simple call infinity bottle. It was infinity until I tasted it and liked it. Then I stopped and then they became my blend because I stopped putting things in it. Yeah, so people would people tasted like this is great. And I give it out. And you had a record of it out like Exactly, yeah, regret it. Yeah, I do keep your record but I yeah, I lost it. But yeah, I would give it my dog always doing like bottle shares and things like that. Get people assemble, get everything done what it was, and they were like, this is really good. What is it like? It's actually just a blend of like 17 different two outs for else and things that were time, but I've never done it intentionally. I haven't 50:00 guys that's tried you know the the poor man's Pappy and have tried to recreate the the Al young with the blends that they think will work but sometimes it's 50:09 in there 50:11 there is something to it. You know, there was there was a blind taste in that Blake from bourbon or hosted years ago that I was a part of as well as a few other people. And oddly enough, like he sent six samples and we had to rank each sample kind of like flavors and everything notes and everything that we're getting out of it. 50:31 And, and it was it was it was so climatic at the very end because it was all happening. You know, he sent the samples we submitted him. And then at the very end, you know, we all got on YouTube or Google Hangouts and promoted on YouTube and we all got on there and come to find out the variant. The number one bourbon we all love was a exactly what you said a poor man's Pappy that was mixed in a ninja blender. 51:01 Me and I don't know if it has something to say about aeration. I don't have the something to say about anything else but it's this like, Yeah, he literally threw in a ninja blender. Yeah. And that's what one out of like, six different Bourbons. So it's crazy it kind of goes to show that you can 51:18 can always just think that the most limited things are going to be the best things. Yeah, I'll probably be adding a ninja blender to my Amazon wish list here Yo, I have they are fantastic. My quick smoothies and movies and bourbon What else? What else you want to mix just don't mix the smoothies with the barber. Alright, so for me I already know like what this is I can smell it. I can taste it. So two is going to be it for me. tues definitely, I mean, I'm torn one would be a great everyday drinker. It's got a lot of complex like great it's a great poor but to is like, to me is like really like something special. Like 52:00 That I would want out of a limited release or like a store pick, you know, something special. Like, that's I really like to so I they're both really good I already I mean, I can just buy the nose and it tastes like already know what they are. So my camera on a push over to you is to worth like $950 more right now. 52:20 That's a great question. 52:23 What is that? Because that's that's ultimately I mean, I'll tell you what if if it's reversed in the reveal, I will I'll just go ahead and wrap it up. I'll put my card like listen bourbon pursuit over my case the was 15 point proof difference, you know, between the wanting to 52:42 which kind of gives you a hint, but yeah, it'd be funny though if they are reversed. Hey, is the 52:49 question, but I think it has an easy answer. And there's no price difference wise, there's no way 52:56 if you want something that's simple, and there's there's nothing 53:00 off putting about this, right? To me, there's nothing like putting at all. But this one does have the number two has a lot more depth character. And the proof differences, definitely evident. 53:15 Especially on the back end it just stick in there to your tongue in a good way. I mean, at this point, there's, there's a lesson to be learned here. Right? I mean, we're, we're four or five deep. And I think we've already noticed that when it comes to special releases that the age the age is the important part. You know, the age adds a level of complexity and characteristic to it that you necessarily won't get anywhere else. Yeah. So far, we were dumbfounded by one, right. Yeah, having a 53:45 Weller 107 pick that actually beat out the Weller craft your own perfect bourbon. From then on. It's been really a difference in age. Yep. From there, I mean, it's Yeah, it's hard to replicate well, and that's why I mean, 54:00 With like NGP you know people go crazy with like the 1012 for it. It's more has to do with age like the age age whiskey is great like these Tennessee age whiskeys are fantastic. Like Kentucky age stuff it has to do with age like it's not necessarily the magic pill, the Jews, whatever, it's when you get to that 10 to 14 year range it there's magical, you know happens right there and it's it is it is what it is. Alright, so I'm going to go ahead and do the reveal. Because I can't wait anymore. Yeah, that's exactly what we thought it was. So D one was the knob Creek from Westport whiskey and wine in D two was the but they didn't try. They did a great job on do you want I mean, that's a sore pic for me. Yes. And that's what I mean. That's, that's the thing that we talked about the whole entire time is that you can get that for what 60 bucks versus 950. You know, it's I mean, even if you were if you were even on top of it, even when it was 450 55:00 Yeah to even get your hands on it so and this was years ago so it was definitely a tough way to to make it happen so again this is one we're not going to mix yeah do not do not mix these guys after the show is over y'all we are going to be probably just celebrating with the rest of the stuff we like to drink covers. Yeah the leftovers right. So the best of the all infinity bottles if you will. So Mikey, ending on a lot says elimination we have Russell's we 55:33 can i can tell you right now because I was a part of it. We're pouring out letter E. And we do with letter E like I already know what it is versus the brand. However, these guys don't know what it what it is. So I'm going to go ahead and just kind of reserve my comments for absolutely everything and just let them figure it out. So you know as we as we start going down this path though. What do you 56:00 You found like the most interesting well so far I mean the three three limited releases have one versus the store pics wishes Do you think it's a Do you think it's an oversight on our part that maybe we didn't choose the best comparisons because as I mentioned earlier like it's it's age versus a lot of stuff some I don't know though because I mean it store pictures still getting really good pores I mean, but think about it like think about other brands like I mean look at the shelf like is there anything else that like we missed going into this like think of like, like I said, we already talked about old for certain for suburbia urban bag would be the bag and stag it's Junior would probably be a good one as well. Like I said you could do like you could do a 7092 full proof versus like a Kentucky alpha later. Oh, cuz cuz you you think that's where it comes from? I think so. So that's your that's your excuse guess? Yeah, I think so. But I was way off on Sunday. 57:00 These guys have them. So, but yeah, I mean, other than that, I mean, because you got some MGP stuff, but like, they're all there. There's such a wide range like from person. It's hard and it's not often there's not like a ton of everyday offerings with MGP. Well, we had talked about this beforehand. I've tried to figure out like, Is there a single and that's that's an I guess that's the problem when you get when you get to what we can do this but it might kick us in the teeth like a pursuit series versus 57:31 decal, you know. 57:34 We're not well, just kidding. Well, 57:37 it doesn't exist. Yeah. So that's the other thing. Yeah. But the other the other part of it was ready barrel, I guess. Barrel versus procedure. They do a lot of blending. Yeah. So that's not a true comparison. So I mean, it's it's an Indiana country, I think the will it will it versus Elijah Craig barrel proof would be a good one because just to get it out there. 58:00 Yep, I mean, who knows, but I mean, when I look at it like I, it would have been good to do like a regular Booker's versus I mean, Booker's I didn't want to open up a book or 25th for this I was sorry just be honest with you, I'm not going to achieve f4 but I mean, that versus Booker's 30th or something like that like Booker's vs Booker's because at the same exact, you know, the end of the day, like each one of those is very good in its own right. However, like the the proof points are can be a whole lot of difference. Yeah. When you get to that high improved and you're in the hundred and 25 230 130 proof. Yeah. Who knows if your your your your taste buds in your flavor profile can actually discern a lot of stuff that's actually happening at that level. Yeah, right. Actually. Oh my gosh, like I'm tasting these I'm knows the side by side. I don't think I can tell the difference now. So now we're doing a wild turkey comparison. Russell's reserve versus the 17 year decades for 59:00 Nice. And I mean on first on first knows, like, there's no difference. There's no discernible difference whatsoever. The first one? 59:12 I don't know, they're pretty close. I was like, the first one may have a little more alcohol, but I don't know. That's they're pretty similar. You mean and this is and this also goes back into each conversation right? I mean like when we talk about age like 17 years you expect to have a lot more depth on the complexity a lot more more of this sort of stuff. However, we've we've seen the praises of Russell's reserve for years. It's one of the best single barrel pics that you can get out there today. You know, me and the best I can I'm one of the not been altered and pick yet I'm turkey pick y'all man, but you're the one actually brought today's pic. I didn't know. So I'm getting I mean, maybe it's because I do get a little more ethanol on the first one. And then I go straight to the second one. The smells a little sweeter. Yep, I'm totally getting a little sweeter on the second one. 1:00:00 But they are very very close. I love both of them. I knew that was was like I mean Russell's are one of those things you can just knows all day. Both these are fantastic. I mean it, it's actually very good number one is really good. 1:00:15 It's actually very hard to find a discernible difference. I mean, there's a little bit of difference in the taste, but it's not so much that you're like, Okay, this is this is a difference of $100 right here like it's it's it's very, very different. tues got I don't know I like the mouth feel have to like it's got and it's got more like a little more sugary brown sugary, kind of syrupy kind of texture to it. One is very good, but two is kind of more I don't know just real rich and sugary to me like syrupy like they're they're pretty damn close are very close. I mean for something that's almost like a mean it's not it's not a decade's worth of difference, but I mean, you're looking at at least six to nine years. Right of what you see between 1:01:00 Some of the older reserved pics from Russell's versus the decades releases so I'm going to go with two but not that much. They're they're pretty close tues oily on the panel I don't know you kind of want to yeah two is got a longer lasting finish the nose is sweeter 1:01:20 sounds like for you it's a landslide one this is a yeah for me it's a landslide too so too Alright, so Ryan there go ahead and reveal the last one we have today. 1:01:30 haha what do you think? 1:01:34 Well it sounds like it sounds like you're gonna toss balls with sounds like well so two is actually the CFPB pick Oh 1:01:44 decades There we go. So yet another chance where we get the final store pick Yes, you do single barrels making a comeback. I mean, when we look at the results from today, I mean it's three to two but it's not it's not a it just said a landslide victory. I mean, it's it's something that is it's a 1:02:00 It's almost comparable, if you can find that, that one little place that does really good things, versus somebody that just, I don't know just accepts it or finds the barrels at the store and does whatever. There's there's actually validity to the, to the that. By the way, this was all for science. Yeah. So make sure that everybody knows is all today, but it's all subjective and we don't matter. Yes, that's also very true. And you cannot buy any of these anywhere. So it's it's it's all it's all gone. So yeah, I mean, the first two I mean, we're really like, you know, with the 1:02:40 the CYLB. I mean, I was amazed at how bad that was. Like, I just did not like it at all. Well, not bad. Not a bad for the money. Ryan we get a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's not bad. We know what bad whiskey I guess I was just after revealing it. I was like, pretty disappointed. And if anything, 1:03:00 I feel like what it does is helps people see to not fall into the trap of fo mo to fall in trap of hype because the fact that CYPB is for 500 bucks and you can get a single barrel pick a low WA for 150 or if you're lucky enough good at retail 60 bucks it's like man chase chasing one that tastes better yeah and so and it should bring some validity to those who are still into those who are blending because Ed lie is a blender and he picked this barrel at turkey so there is some validity even to like hey they they're getting paid lots of money every year to do this professionally. So let's end even if you go to a liquor bar party source or cork and bottle they have tasting bars Yeah, so you can taste these things before you get into all the gotta have it because there's a line well maybe you don't even like the bottle that you're standing line for. Yeah, it's hate tastings before you before you buy them but I mean there's there's some psychology there to the line thing. Oh for sure. I mean every everybody thinks that like 1:04:00 We've all been there. We've been in the morning, and then all of a sudden, there's somebody that walks up be like, online for. I know, like 1:04:10 there's, there's, there's a there's a group mentality to it, right? Yeah, for sure. It's not fun, but it's reality and what it is, it's animal spirits, you know, we're all we all just follow the herd, you know, so. 1:04:23 But I mean, for today, I'm actually very pleased to kind of see the results because coming away with at least two out of the five that weren't limited releases, give some justification. Yeah, well, and we're thinking today into what I mean, when you're doing store pics. It's really based on who's going who's picking what they like and whatnot so like, you know, find a store or find someone that kind of meets your what you like, and you know, that's, you can find stuff that's just as good as the big price tag Islam releases. It's not even that I mean, we had we had some unfair 1:05:00 competition to. Right mean, if you think about it, like the logic reg. Yeah. 18 year versus like a nine to a 12 year? Yep. It's not it's not a fair competition. So when we think of which I preferred the nine to two, I know 1:05:17 a lot of people f
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Chris Zaborowski put Westport Whiskey & Wine on the map with their very large tasting bar and plenty of private picks. This session was recorded at the Higher Proof Expo during the 2018 Kentucky Bourbon Affair. The 2019 Kentucky Bourbon Affair will take place June 4-8. It’s 5 Days. 19 Distilleries. 45 Events. Tickets for the 2019 Bourbon Affair are currently on sale and you can find our more information at KYBourbonAffair.com. Show Partners: At Barrell Craft Spirits, they work with a team that takes blending seriously. They spend months obsessing over hundreds of combinations until we figure out the perfect blend for you. Find out more at BarrellBourbon.com. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: Pursuit Series Episodes 006 through 009 on sale now, visit PursuitSpirits.com. The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about the Kentucky Derby. Chris Zaborowski helped shape the Stave & Thief Society curriculum. What's all the fuss about bourbon? What do you need to know about buying a single barrel? You have to have a retail partner. All brands are allocated. Do you choose to go to a distillery or get samples sent to you? What's your delivery lead time? What brands are available for barrel selections? Large vs mid-size distilleries. What questions do you ask when you go on a barrel selection? What is the estimated cost? What is the expected bottle yield? What's the final bottling proof? Can you get it Non-Chill Filtered? Let's taste ours vs theirs. Transcription 0:00 Good morning. 0:02 Tracy is checking everybody and I'll just go ahead and do get some great brief introductions. I like you know, I like to spotlight some of the standard from the screen. 0:19 This is Episode 195. of bourbon pursuit. I'm one of your host, Kevin Coleman. And let's go through just a little bit of our news, if you will, because I want to make sure that you are getting your travel booked and your tickets bought for bourbon and beyond 2019 is be taking place September 22, and 23rd the headliners have been announced the accident announce you've got people such as myself and Ryan and Fred and Blake from bourbon air and Brian from sipping corn, we're all going to be there in Jordan from drinking bourbon. We're all going to be there we all have sessions on the stages at the bourbon tense. We want to see you there. So go into get your information and tickets about the festival at bourbon and beyond.com. For all our supporters out there on Patreon, we have to say thank you. And for people that are on the edge about it, guess what, we've got some new reward levels available. We have some that are just our think us at $1 a month and we have all the way up to $250 a month that gets you bottles of pursuit series, you get your opportunity to be on the podcast. You also get a one year subscription to bourbon plus magazine. tons of stuff. I want you to go and check it out patreon.com slash bourbon pursuit because we wanted to revamp this to bring newer and fresher rewards. And is also a reminder to say thank you for everybody that is supporting us because it is that community that funds this podcast to keep it going. So again, huge thank you to you out there. And episodes 678 and nine for pursuit series are now available. You can check out our revamped website that makes it a little bit easier navigation and quicker by now buttons over at pursuit spirits.com you've probably heard us talk about Westport whiskey and wine on the podcast before. We recommend it highly is one of those retailers for folks to visit when they're coming to Louisville when they're seeing the bourbon trail. They have a very large tasting bar and plenty of private barrel selections available. And those private pics is kind of what put Chris Zebrowski on the map. This session that we're going to talk about or what you're going to be hearing from today was recorded at the higher proof Expo during the 2018 Kentucky bourbon affair. The 2019 Kentucky bourbon affair will be taking place June 4 through the eighth it's five days 19 distilleries and 45 total events. Tickets for the 2019 bourbon affair are currently on sale. And you can find out more information at ky bourbon affair.com. Now let's check out what our friend Joe over a barrel bourbon has to say. And then we've got Fred Minnick with above that you are 3:07 Hi, this is Joe from barrel bourbon. I work with a team that takes blending seriously. We spend months obsessing over hundreds of combinations until we figure out the perfect blend for you find out more a barrel bourbon calm. 3:21 I'm Fred Minnick, and this is above the char. The Kentucky Derby is coming up. And if you live in Kentucky, you know it well, because we've been celebrating it really since last year. And the fact is, the Kentucky Derby is a part of our culture. It's who we are. It's it's next to bourbon, it's probably the most important asset that we have to this great state. And frankly, the horses also add like an element of beauty to the Commonwealth. We also get a lot of phone calls for tickets and emails wanting to know where the special parties are. That's always a lot of fun to tell people okay, there are plenty to tickets available. five grand a pop if you want to sit here 500 if you want to sit there. 4:05 Yeah, it's it's expensive the Kentucky Derby is, but it's a once in a lifetime event. And if you've never been, you have to find a way to come out to Kentucky and enjoy the best two minutes and all of sports. With that said, If you cannot attend, you can still enjoy at home. I dare say your local market will probably have a Kentucky Derby party. And if you don't have a Kentucky Derby party already in existence, then create one. In the latest issue of bourbon plus magazine Peggy know Stevens talks about how to throw a Kentucky Derby party. And if you are looking to find ways to bet there's no need to bring in an outside bookie, all you have to do is download the twins buyers app. And you can bet on the horses as as they're getting in the gates or even while they're in the paddock, you can bet days in advance. And I'm telling you betting on horse racing, especially the derby. While you have bourbon in your hand, there is just something romantic about it. It's a connection to who we were in the past, and a little bit of who we are now and where we're going. So some hints on your bedding. I like to focus on the speed. Like there is a there's a line in the program where it talks about the speed. always pick the fastest horses, and the last turn. Those are the horses that can always give you a shot of winning. And so what I like to do is I also like to compare the speed to the odds. So if I see I have a fast horse with 20 to one odds, I pick him to win place and show and about 35% of the time I get in the money on that. Now, you may say like Well, you're still losing its horse racing, you got very low odds. So 35% is not a bad. Not a bad person percentage in horse racing. So I hope you bet on the Kentucky Derby and have a good time. If you are coming to Kentucky. Hit us up on Instagram or Facebook. You can find me at Fred Minnick. That's at Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers. 6:20 My name is Chris never asked the owner of Westport whiskey one here in Louisville, Kentucky. been doing this for a little while. 10 years for the store. But I've been in the beverage alcohol business for well over 30 years of my adult life was one of the first one educators here in the community. And also was helpful with founding the original member of the statement thief, a thief society and helped write the curriculum on developing certified bourbon stewards. So that's sort of one of the reasons brings me to this most important criteria for all this while I did, like you, I like I like to drink. I like good whiskey, I like to experience it and like to share, you know, share a lot of those situations. So we're going to talk a little bit about today before we get into the darkness tasting, you know, some cover some key characters, you know, what's all the fuss about? Single barrel whiskies? Well, obviously, or just bourbon in general, is returned to that idea that life, 7:13 quality of spirits that are present in Kentucky, or we've all known about it for a long time in the world just now finding out about it creates its own challenges in its own right. And then we'll talk specifically about good doing barrel selections and what the things that you will need to know. 7:28 All right, so whiskey supplies are very limited, as we all know. And that's really, that's really frustrating for a lot of us. I'm sure it's frustrating for you as a consumer like going. And I'm really impressed that you're all here and not standing in line at some of the other release parties that are going on this morning around town. So thank you all for doing that as well. I mean, because it's it's a challenge for all of us to find the stuff where yet it's gone from us, for example, our barrel allocations. Last year, we did 7:54 I think well over a dozen barrels of four roses for last year. And we were only allocated three for this year. For example, that's that's how tight the whiskey businesses becoming. Demand for bourbon is everywhere. You know, good, bad or indifferent. Our suppliers are, you know, are trying to send more whiskey across, you know, around the world to other countries as well as you know, around the states. And that dwindles the amount of whiskey. That's good whiskey, it's available for us here in the opportunity to get something you know, 8:24 we started doing a long time ago, the single barrel program because we thought there was a real opportunity to talk about something unique. Lot of the people market their brands saying we have a taste, we want you to taste this way we want you wanted what I wanted to always be consistent. So what we decided to do was to go after the single barrel aspect of this is fine, those sweet barrels. My first experience with doing that was back in 1998, I had the opportunity to go with Jimmy Russell at Eddie Rossum through the old wild turkey distillery. And that was the year that Russell's Reserve was created. It Russell reserved came about from that little bit of the sweet barrel story where Jimmy and Eddie would always go and nowhere in the warehouse, I could pull a really good barrel of whiskey. Now, Jimmy was humbled at the time because he didn't want it to be named after him. But at the marketing at the time, the parent owners of at that time, awesome. Nicole said, well, we're going to brand this whiskey name. And after you said, you're picking and finding all these little sweet barrels, we're going to do that. So first time it resonated with me that there's some distinction going on to find really good barrel of whiskey within situations. Of course, they've been on the Buffalo Trace tour. Most of you all if you've been on that. You've heard the story about how Blanton's you know one of the buttons brands was created Elmer to leave and go pick single barrels of you know, Blanton's bourbon for Colonel Blanton for special occasions and event. They always knew where the sweet barrels were. And of course if you believe the you know, the the funny stories about that are written on the back labels of larceny bourbon about john Fitzgerald knowing exactly where all the sweet barrels where because that's where they usually found him, you know, drunk, but you know that the, at the end the old Fitzgerald warehouses, but the other aspect is every every Stillman in every part people that work the warehouses know where those sweet barrels are located. And that's the fun part of learning that as we've been doing this, and ultimately to go and pick it barrels a great experience, get the opportunity to actually go and used to be that we are able to crawl around the warehouses. But now that's been even more interesting is that only a few people that you actually go into the warehouses where we used to literally go in and watch people shoot me down the wrecks and take a drill, take the whiskey right out of the barrel for you that day. 10:32 there there's a little, little federal law called OSHA that paid a lot of people are standing by and said, No, we can't do that anymore. I can't take the consumers up into those types of situations. But still, the fun ones that have great experiences, we'll talk about those in particular, 10:46 what you're going to need to know, should you want to go after a barrel on your own, you're going to have to have a retail partner, I don't care what state you're in where you're from, that's just because of the because of the 21st amendment, we have a three tiered liquor law system in this country. 11:02 So you have to you have to have a retail partner. In order if you're going to try and purchase a belt on your own. All brands are allocated now. And it's gotten worse, as indicated, talking about the four roses situation, you can't always get what you want. If I had audio, we'd be playing, you know, little Rolling Stones at the moment. 11:21 So knowing that you have to you have to talk about we'll talk about each individual brand here in a minute, what you can what you can look for, you're going to visit the story and make this or make a selection, you have two ways to do that. If you go to the actual go to the distillery and get the opportunity to get employment, your barrel pick, that's the best way to go. But if you're from out of state, and you can't always make it back over here, they will send you samples. And I will tell you this, if you get three samples from a distillery, and you don't like them, tell them you don't like them and ask for three more their job to get you that what you're looking for, Don't settle for what they send you. And if you run into resistance with that, have you read Taylor, advocate for you in that regard to because I think that's really important. We've we do that? You know, there are certain small distilleries that we have to get barrel samples from and I can tell you number of times we've said the samples back said nope, not not not what we're looking for. You know, so 12:16 then you have to, you know, look at your delivery lead time, if you're trying to get something for Christmas, you're already too late. 12:23 And a lot of respects, you know, just for example for this year, because the only reason I'm saying You're too late because most everybody's already cut off their out their appointments, I just got cut off from wild turkey just the other day, there is no new day, it's going to be offered for the balance of the year. So you have to know those type of situations as well. samples, if you get the sample century, that's usually the quickest way to get a turnaround on it. So if you're in a shorter timeframe, that's actually the faster way to do it. Because that way, you're not dependent upon an appointment. You know, the availability of appointments at different distilleries. Questions on that, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. But there's some things that you need to be aware of, as you're, as you're dealing with that quickly will go through because really, we're going to talk about the whiskeys and talk about each individual experience. From the legacy distilleries, we call that those are the big you know, those are the big guys have been around for a long time at bargain 1792 that's still one of the is one of my favorite little places to go pick a barrel, you actually not only do you get not only to get the consumer to where you get to go around, and you know, look, look at the facilities, but you actually go into the barrel warehouse age, they have, you know, usually between four and six barrels, depending on the size of your group choose from, you get to bunk, you get to beat the bugs out of the barrels, you get to put the pipe the then you get your hands wet, full covered whiskey, and you get to taste it, it's a great experience. So you can get an appointment there. That's a really good one. Brown Forman enforcer experiences changing. We will know a little bit more about that, but we're going to be picking a barrel and about two weeks after, after after the opening. So we're going to be one of the first barrel selections down at the new facility. So I'll give I have a better idea. I'm sure it's gonna be fun. Used to be a good you know, going to go to to Woodford Reserve, you got two opportunities, Woodford you can do a two barrel batch, which Chris is doing a class on, you know, as we speak, right around two doors down. That's a fun experience. I've really when I first got in this my bourbon snob and he said, I don't want to do this. I want a single barrel bourbon. But the fun part of that is that you get four different whiskeys and you put the combinations together. And you would think what would be an additive effect, I love the smell. And so I love the taste on this, let's put these two together, it'll be a great whiskey. That doesn't always happen. And it really teaches you what the master distillers going through when they're bashing those whiskies. It's a fun experience. And I really highly recommend it. The double OPT is another one of my favorite, favorite whiskies that we've done, they sort of changed the program a little bit, we're pushing them back to actually thieving the barrels again. So I'll know more about that we've got to pick on August six, then we're pushing that envelope right now. They bring you samples out, they've already pulled the whiskey out of the barrel for you. So it's it's still a great experience a lot of fun, but the batch at what for the batch places the best go lands and our Buffalo Trace, everybody in their brother knows that the magic and the gold happens a Buffalo Trace Well, not all of it. But you know, there, you would think that based on the allocations of the whiskies, based on how hard it is to find even the normal stuff on an everyday basis, when they started advocating me on regular Buffalo Trace. I was like I can't You're kidding me. I mean, I can't buy three cases of 175 or five case, you know, you know, we get allocated even on both sides on Buffalo Trace and sometimes around a product because of that. But when you get to pick a barrel, they're they're modifying their consumer program right now to used to be the first week of December, they'd had a, they'd have a release date for consumer barrels, and a 1201 midnight, I can tell you about 1205 or 1210 most of those barrels of so 15:45 you know, people are lining up for that. So they're they're rethinking their consumer program Bo has yet to release, what the details of that's going to be and when that release dates going to be. But that Eagle rare was pulled off the allocations for 2018. So if you hear all these rumors Where's not going away, they're not going to upscale it. It's just that they didn't have enough commercial really nuff whiskey and storage to offer single barrel programs, but it will be released back in 2019. But those are the four brands you can get. And well or you can get into the special reserve or antique 107 you cannot get well or 12 we keep asking they haven't done it yet. So don't don't look for that one or ask expect that. But that's also a fairly good experience because again, you get the great tour, you go into their barrel warehouse and get the opportunity to get your hands wet the thief the barrels right there to four roses, for us is a really, really good experience. 16:38 If you're lucky, you know brand or our young will be on the barrel pick but their team there is really, really fun. And when you're when you're picking single barrel, which is the OS K, you know, that is all you get like four barrels to choose from. But if you're picking a barrel strength, which is really the big is the real fun thing, you get to taste all the current basketballs that are available. Right now this last year, there were only seven mash bills, you know, available in the marketplace because some of them they had to pull off all the O's were pulled off for 2018 they just didn't have enough Oh whiskey to allow you to pick a barrel from that standpoint. But if you get all 10 as a hoot it's a great day you're tasting 10 different glasses or whiskey right? They're all different mash bills and that's that's really one of my favorite ones to do. And they're a little you know, you can still pull a little even though we were cut back they're still you know, just helped a restaurant tour get a negotiate getting a barrel just recently which is really a lot of fun too. So quick stories on those Vonn to heaven Hill haven't held right now Elijah Craig is the only thing they're allowing barrel sample or barrel pics on and again you get to go back into the warehouse you get to you get to do the full thieving 2019 all the other brands are supposed to be returning at some level. We might be able to get Evan Williams late this year but right now even Burnham wait which was used to be like Oh, please take a break Burnham You know, I've been begging for now I'm begging for a barrel of Burnham you know used to be they begged us please take one please take one so in Henry we cannot kill the keep that one but I think this last year Fred been a callus on that one but naming that you the best whiskey you know, in the ultimate spiritual challenge out in San Francisco this year. It's not drying up and running away yet but I think it's just going to put a you know, it's going to put a crimp on that barrel returning to the single barrel program. Jim beam's another really really good fun experience. If you're going to do about a knob Creek barrel, the Jim Jim Beam, that's cool. You go into their warehouse, warehouse K, all the barrels lined up up if you do all the all that taste, when you picked your barrel, they get on the radio truck backs up to the loading dock that role that barrel right on the truck, you go down back down the hill and you dump it 18:49 you get to watch that barrel being dumped, you know gets you know, watch the gauging tank to say how the fun part is everybody guess is how much the challenge is going to actually hit. And then then they take you on a tour feed you lunch and then you take you upstairs where the whiskey is being proved down to 120 and then you get the opportunity to bottle your own whiskey right there. You go through the bottling line I mean you put you take the balls out of the cage but among the bottling line, you fill them up you want to take one two or three with you that day you're definitely on the wax you Ceylon, they sent it over to the gift shop and you can take it home with you right then it's great experience a lot of fun, long day a lot of fun makers private selections, the is the thinking man's than woman's choice of making bourbon or picking a bourbon you familiar with the 46 process makers 46 where you they had their barrel safe second private selection, they give you five combinations, you five different stage for which to choose from, and you're able to pick what combination you want to do. 19:51 So that's really, that's really a challenge because depending on how large the group is, I've seen some groups take like seven or eight hours to pick it up. That's what I'm sorry that's that's a lot of whiskey it's way too long. But it's still a great experience because you get the opportunity to taste five different expressions of Maker's Mark and get to batch the one you like to do then you literally go and think the stage and the barrel they recoup or the barrel for you go fill it up and you roll it into the warehouse it's really cool experience a lot of fun wild turkey I say this not only is alphabetical but honestly without a doubt that's my favorite of all the barrel experiences we do 20:31 you really go you go into the the oldest warehouse on the property and you know you don't like what's going on particular that he's at he's there with you doing a barrel pick let's say let's bounce another damn barrel out and try something else that I mean you're you're wander around that warehouse and go up there's a there's a bunch of over here let's try these up the night the discovery other side and try these lot a lot of fun, but it's just a great experience because you're really right there in the thick of it. You're listening particular if you get the even with we've done it now with three generations we've done I'm a Gemini and Eddie Bruce and Joanne now the you know Eddie's son and nice are now the next generations coming in to help with the barrel selections. Joanne's I hope she's a lot of fun to pick a barrel worth so do you have the opportunity that that's really really a good one the reserve ride we thought we were going to get be able to get one 2018 but it's going to be on the program for next year. 21:27 And then there's a lot of the smaller distilleries and I'm not going to go through each one but primarily These are great experiences in their own right we've not picked up from all of them personally yet. Copper and kings brand new one is that's that's that's another really good fun one to go do. 21:47 Do to do to do to do to do to do 21:49 new roof it's going to be we're going to be experienced them we've picked okay i barrels from up that new roof before but we've already got our first we've already got our 21:58 date picked for picking a barrel with them. That's an October this year, not next year. So as a typo, excuse me. 22:04 peerless is another really good experience that's why we have that taste today to go from that standpoint and will adjust reopen their barrel selection program this year. And that, you know, doesn't care about the damn you know, Feds at this particular point OSHA coming after we he's like he's gone down the warehouse, you're on the fifth floor, you're on the sixth floor, wherever Let's go find a barrel. That's that's, that's been a lot of fun. But that's our first experience there. So that's really worthwhile to try to when I give one I'll give you a little bit of plug on that I think is really great experience because is picking a barrel word starlight at huber's. Most people locally go, you know, whoever's left sweet one, that's sweet wine ponies line tell you the creativity on the still over there is amazing. We spent several days over there crawling around the still my daughter and in all of our family have gone over their consumers, you but every time I get in there with Ted, I found something amazing, you know, damn off ugly packaging, on tape saying that, but I've told database. So don't feel bad about saying that. But the whiskey is really, really good. He's making some incredibly good whiskey over there. And it's a really good experience, if you really want to just get into a really truly hands on tasting a whole bunch of different selections. He's trying, he's trying barrel experiments. He's trying different policies tried different, you know, different grain combinations. He's taking him off at different points in the still and he'll go through all that with you, you're sitting there, and you know, having a really, really good experience, you know, from that standpoint. So that's just another fun one that I really heartily recommend. 23:32 I know everybody's gone. I want some whiskey. Alright. So next, next, the big things is first question is when you're when you're after you've had a retailer done all this, what the hell's is going to cost me we went through sticker shock one time on one of our barrel selections. Oh my god, this is wonderful. This is wonderful. We didn't do our homework before we walked in as well. What's the cost of this whiskey? It was could be about a $23,000 barrel. So we had to rethink that one real quick. You know, no matter how good it tastes, that's it. That's an expensive investment. Maya so you don't mean talking about retail from that standpoint. But anyway, it's expensive barrel but it's really it was really damn good. So what is expected yield everybody gets an idea already and what they're expected Baba yields are going to be the older the whiskey obviously, the less expensive the less the yields going to be. But that isn't always the case. We were at four roses one year picked up nine nine year old single barrel that we only got 68 bottles or 6060 bottles out of the barrel 24:33 turned out it was a leaker Didn't you know nobody you could see on the outside there were some you know some 24:39 you'd see page and things along those lines, but we didn't know how bad until we picked up Damn, I was one of the best parents who've never picked. We've also picked them you know we're 24:49 pretty damn you know, like a makers makers experience you know you're getting a full barrel know whatever you're looking at, you're getting 40 or 41 six pack cases of whiskey, you know, to 40 is about the max you're going to get you know, you're going to get out of anybody's barrel at this particular point, but the range from the low end like I said, it's 6060 bottles all the way up to 246. 25:10 That's pretty much the range you're going to be talking about that helps you with your estimate and your cost to final bottle proof there's only a handful of places that give you a barrel strength whiskey. Everybody wants barrel strength non chill filtered whiskey well I ain't happening everywhere everybody's going to catch up to what their commercial proof is. People say why is that candle it's very simple it's the it's the approval of the labels with the ATF or what I use called the ATF the TTP now you have to get your coal approval your label approval and not everybody wants to apply for labels all the time. So there's only a handful you know, Flores but the barrel strength and a few other smaller people will allow you barrel strict whiskey otherwise it is you know what like knob Creek single barrel is 120 so like when we taste knob Creek comparison today both number one 129 think about knob Creek is when you pick a barrel their their range very rarely do you get 130s and a barrel pick a knob Creek there and that 120s usually one maybe 131 31 I very rarely gotten one the taste of over 134 we have seen it but doesn't really happen that often. So you get you get pretty close or like it you know wild turkey where they go in where they go in at 103 you're getting you're getting close to the barrel proof when you know because they'll run in that 112 to 15 range and you're cutting them to 110 so you're you're pretty damn close when you look at it from that standpoint, that's that's worthwhile chill filtering. Most everybody still does. Buffalo Trace just took that option off the table you can get there's no filter now. And again chill filtering started with just for stabilization. It was to take out the what was perceived impurities when a whiskey got too cold clouded up, particularly what's below 86 per and that's where the process of chill filtering started was to stabilize the fats and oils so you didn't have to have an ugly cloudy whiskey. 27:03 So most whiskeys you know are still going to be chill filtered couple only a few places offer different bottles size options. Okay, Buffalo Trace is the most flexible you can go from 1752375 if they have those sizes available when you're when you're picking a barrel there for the most part otherwise it's 750 milliliters at most every place you go some some private label personalization that will will allow you to occur again for roses probably one of the best ones as far as that's concerned they give you a whole side label you can put whatever pretty much whatever you want on it 27:36 as long as it is an obscene though they're pretty much into legit to play with it some some of the others will do that as well for you too. But most of them will apply a medallion on the on the on the show the bottle that gives you some level of personalization and then the time from selection to final delivery as I indicated on the one of the earlier slides it can be anywhere from 12 weeks to 16 weeks of course we got one barrel last year that got lost in translation we picked it in September we didn't it until what March? Yeah. So just somewhere got shifted around and nobody quite knew exactly what happened to why that you know, we eventually got it but those are the key things 28:12 all right questions we want to drink some whiskey here 28:16 your way to quiet your all way too polite to muscle you know we do a class at the store. People are already people are already you know got the whiskey picked up already. And you know the noon so we're, you're doing really well. Right being very polite. So ours versus theirs. 28:33 bourbon pursuit wouldn't be possible without the support of our Patreon community, and with help of our following partners. 28:41 Now, I've never been inside a prison before, but that's exactly what the folks at Rock house whiskey club did. When they recently took a trip to North Carolina. Behind cell blocks east and west they found barrels of bourbon being aged and it's entirely legal. 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Use code pursuit for $25 off your first box. 29:57 So ours versus theirs. 30:01 Like I said, we went on early on to say that the key thing about doing it finding the single barrels is a really fun experience. It's to say, all right, can you can you taste the parentage? Can you tell the difference in the whiskies just by sending them side by side. So in this particular case, on the top, we're going to stop, we're gonna we're going to save the peerless to last on the far left, so we're going to come back to that when we're going to start. 30:27 Start with the Russell's because it's going from proof. 30:33 So we're going to start with the Russell's reserve, which is the third one top row. And actually, this is the lowest proof of the three whiskies that's why I'm starting there. Just give a good nose to it. Nice little bit of fruit profile, I'm getting just a little hint of cherry in there. But you know, just a really nice and a little bit of citrus, those are classics for coming out of wild turkey from that standpoint. Now this first taste, let's just put it in, swish it around a little bit. reason we're doing this one, it's just because it's for me, it's my first day. So I don't know about you all. That's my first session whiskey in the morning. And that's just the opportunity. This is the opportunity set your palate, get the alcohol burn out of the way, say, Okay, all right. give your body the first chance to say what the hell did you just do to me? Because when you taste something that you're not familiar with for the very first time, it's a visceral reaction, your body says, Oh, I don't understand that or I don't know what you just did. Okay, so now we're going to taste the taste the Russell's this time for itself. Just take a little taste. Notice where this hits you on the palate? Really good middle, right, right. This one hits you to me right in the middle and moves back at 110 proof. The alcohol is going to pull the flavor profile towards the back of the throat. 31:47 But it shouldn't as like you know Jimmy it always says the warm Kentucky hug. It shouldn't be a stringent 31:53 first taste to me was a stranger because that's the first taste of alcohol for the day. Now I don't get that heat. Yes, I tasted alcohol get a little heat but it's not in a harsh way. 32:04 With me so far. Okay, so if you're a two fisted drinker, give your regular Russell's in your left hand. Let's take up the single barrel Russell's knows that one 32:16 Do you smell anything different? Less fruity. Okay, I'll go with you on now when I get a little bit more Carmel notes on this one. The Magellan caramels and toffees are showing really well in the in the single barrel. 32:30 Particularly go back and forth would spice in the last you know in the in the regular Russell's in the nose with that little bit of fruit 32:37 softer more Carmel aspect in the single barrel just in the nose alone. Go ahead and taste a particular field This is a creamier palette 32:48 much fuller Yeah. Round from top to bottom mid palate all the way you know front to back. Taste the upper palate on this whiskey to the roof of your mouth starts to get a little bit more you know aspect of this I get a creaminess and a richness here in this particular whiskey 33:06 and that's what I look for when we go for Russell's barrel. I'd like a little bit more they're stronger aromatics because I really think the best thing about picking a wild turkey barrel is getting that citrus component and getting that little bit of the cherry component just didn't get it this particular one but the flavor in this particular barrel i thought was amazing 33:24 if you go back and taste a regular Russell's right after it 33:28 and no offense Mr Russell know south in this taste alright so we're gonna do we're gonna do the knob Creek next 33:36 so the knob Creek the top right 33:40 this is at 120 points so we've jumped up and prove 33:44 this particular one I don't get this particular this particular thing about I don't get a lot in the nose I don't know about you I think it's pretty tight to me. 33:54 Of course these aren't the best nosing glasses let's face it i mean you know with a big nose like mine after my glasses off to put it in there 34:03 I get just a little bit of spice but not nothing nothing nothing too dominant in this particular in the in the nose. What about the taste nice entry for me. Comes in that nice little bit of creaminess right in the beginning pulls back to the back with that nice knob Creek spice 34:22 I've always thought is knob Creek is what I call my cocktail bourbon. That's that bourbon I like to start my evening with because it's really spicy 34:29 you know next good makes a great cocktail if you really want to do that but just even just on the rocks to start the evening off because the higher proof on that naturally but also that spicy component i think this delivers a really nice elegant spice feel. So then we'll grab the single barrel version 34:48 it's 34:50 the question is what discriminates knob Creek from you know regular gym name and you know because it's the same Nashville Well, at every distiller we were looking at they all use the same Nashville with the exception of you know, with minor exceptions between waited and Ryan Nashville's but in the ryan Nashville's are pretty much the same agenda they make to ride mash bills there's the old granddad Nashville and the gym in the gym be mash bills about 7272 corn 1810 malted barley and rough approximate they won't tell you the exact numbers but that's rough rough approximation. Its location in the warehouse and age. Okay, knob Creek knob Creek barrels pretty much, you know, 35:31 outside the mid, mid mid way and not as high up in the barrel warehouses. I think fifth floor and down is pretty much where we where we get these where we get the knob Creek swim, do you mean is everywhere inside, outside up, you know, up down wherever to get that same consistent flavor. Okay. And also it's only four years old. Now Creek is we those of us who've been around long enough to remember it used to be a nine year old age statement, you know, and they took that off about three years ago, but it's still like averages and that eight eight to 12 range depending on where they pull it so that extra time in the barrel gives you more battle and gives you more texture. 36:08 The lower floors you started a little bit more earthiness a little bit more green and herbals and then then you start getting really high alcohol is the higher floors so back to the knob Creek I think it's got a greater I think I can get I think it's got a boulder knows I could get a little bit more a little bit more toffee even in the nose on this one 36:27 and flavor profile. I think it's why I liked I liked the first glass really well because the way it entered I think this is a little bit bigger. 36:38 You could taste that parentage because it came in at the same place. It brought that creams and vanilla is right at the beginning of the palette and it's pushing that nice spice in the back 36:49 but to me The first one was very linear came in on the tongue went straight back went from crane despise 36:57 the single bar version here to me is giving you cream and spice and a whole big mouth feel. It's not It's not your teenage children competing for attention. 37:08 Okay, it's they've hit stride about mid 20s and life is okay. 37:14 And we have a house style talk a little bit about that from that standpoint it was for was here when we have a house style 37:22 every once a while I go off the reservation but you know in will get a big bold, spicy barrel but I want creams and vanilla as and toffees I want to be, I want to be seduced one by the nose to I want that I want that mouth profile to hit me in that creamy, lush aspect. 37:43 To steal a line from Brad Boswell, who is president of independent state company where most most of the barrels come from? Did this really great barrel class with him one time and he's he my favorite line that likes to solve for him is vanilla is catnip for adults. 38:05 Amen. Okay, it was chocolate to be better, but you know, vanilla I'm in. And that's what I look for in those barrels. It's all there that Van Allen is in those barrels. The reason we toast those barrels is to get the vanilla profile out of that barrel. 38:21 And therefore, you get that opportunity, as it ages to get a little bit more of that the challenge has always been is and we've all tasted it over aged whiskey. I'm assuming at this point, whiskey career, you've tasted some that have been the barrel too damn long. Everybody knows it. And do all I get is would tannin 38:41 becomes less vanilla, and more green wood tannin. It's like opening a very expensive bottle of Napa, California read one way to way too early. It sucks all the moisture out of your mouth. That's what barrel Tannen does in a whiskey. 38:56 It's the first thing you do. When you taste that whiskey. As you go grab it glass of water, you have that bottle water and take it back because it's sucking all the moisture out of your mouth. That's a whiskey that's out of balance to me. Now, that may be your style, because I've got a group that I picked barrels with. They want those big, bold tannic barrels. 39:16 And that's that's okay. That's why we have all the different different things. But our style is to be that better balance. I want spice. I want would Tannen but I don't want the tannin to be the overpowering flavor profile. 39:29 And that's where I think this knob Creek shows a great example. The first the knob Creek single barrel commercially has a little bit that would Tannen you know on the aftertaste. But I think this one has would tannin but it supports the supports the overall flavor profile and pushes it up to the upper palate. This one is just bigger mouth field because that to me. 39:50 But this would be one of those barrels that would have been just bashed in with regular knob Creek. 39:56 And I'm glad we rescued it. So I'll do 1792. Next. In full disclosure, the 1792 we're tasting is only the small batch because full proof isn't available commercially for them to buy for us to compare, okay, but the barrel select that we have is full proof at 125. Okay, so we're looking at the 90 some odd numbers 94.75321. You know, it's But anyway, so we're looking at, we're looking at the 79, two small batch first. 40:29 And I think one of the best things about the 1792 is it to me is a great fruit knows, I mean, it's just just a regular old 1792 is a great value whiskey for the you know, 40:41 overall, 40:43 has, has a little bit of sweetness in the nose has a nice little fruit component and the nose. 40:50 And then taste comes in just that nice, nice bright, creamy, but immediately goes back to oh my gosh, we're taught 41:01 to me, it's front and back. 41:06 I mean, it's still good. I mean, for under 30 bucks is a hell of a graph, Greg was whiskey. But for me, if I'm analyzing this, you know, candidly, I think I love the front, the sweetness right at the front of the mouth and the middle of the palette, but then it has that really woody aftertaste. Oh, yes, it's questions that question but common he said he had some friends that every every year they've gone back and pick barrel Pixies seen how the maturity of the whiskey has gotten how bad it's gotten better? Yeah, I mean, the program that they're doing there and Josh man who manages that program he's really gotten to handle of, you know, finding the really where the really good barrels come from in that program. 41:48 And I have a kick up have a great kick out of go down there and pick and barrels with him. So let's try this. Let's its nose the single barrel version. This is it bulletproof at 125 knows how big the fruit noses on this one. 42:06 I get that almost apricot, 42:10 peach type nose in those. I mean, it's a fruit nose very big. 42:16 Little bit of a little bit of a little bit of an lm there but it's just a huge beautiful fruit nose. Nice little bit of spice too. But to me, the difference again, is how much round or this glass of whiskey is 42:31 I don't get that little bit of burn. Much higher proof but I get no burn on this particular glass of whiskey. The fruit, the vanilla, the profile all of that balances the alcohol in my opinion 1792 I was just reminded when you go to 7092 you have three different options on on picking a barrel down there, you can do a small batch like the first one you can pick up a single barrel they call it small batch but the small batch in this case is one barrel. You know you could pick it as bottled in bond 43:05 or you can pick it is foolproof. 43:08 They have three options that you can bottle it up 43:12 so now this is a really linger are finished a little bit of whatever bourbon you want because we're gonna switch to rye so a little water would be helpful for those who are not familiar with peerless if you've not taken the opportunity to go down and visit peerless down a 10th 10th 10th and main I heartily encourage you to do so it's a great tour it's it's truly a family run operation everybody there you know treat your really well. 43:38 They've got a great story to tell. I mean I'm not going to go into all their history in the story but I do think it's one of the best little tours it's it's one of the best hidden gems particularly here in town. If you're not yeah the 10th and Main Street 43:53 Yeah, town. Yeah. Yeah. So if you have opportunity to set a blank time the afternoon call and see if they have an appointment or time but it's definitely worth going to. So now we're going to be talking about rye whiskey. peerless peerless This is there this is a rye whiskey This is under three years old. We're looking at right now they're whiskeys are averaging about 3031 months. Oh, they're coming up on three years age. People go. Okay. Particular when you get the price you go Why am I paying this much for such a young with such an arm whiskey? Well, let's take their whiskey on the top left in this case first. 44:32 First of all, on theirs alone, I'm being seduced by the nose. This is probably the biggest knows of all almost all the whiskeys that we've had so far. 44:41 It's a little bit of buttered toast. 44:46 Good game to play some time if you want to do is get a bunch of different wire whiskey, rye whiskeys and some raw breads 44:57 from a very light rioted fold our political slice them up and tell us a few of them and compare the raw flavor profiles with the whiskey. 45:09 So nose wise, I think this is pretty damn great start. 45:15 Get that nice little bit of green Ross spice in the note 45:19 mid palate back because rye whiskey should not be sweet. Traditionally. Now there are a lot of rye rye whiskeys legal rye whiskey whiskey, that are barely legal because there are 51% raw definition rye whiskey is just like bourbon 51% ry is all the minimum right you have to have doesn't tell you what the other small grains can be. Most commercial rye whiskeys will have 45:49 you know somewhere that 50s to low, low 60s, raw 45:55 bar large percentage of corn and then your malted barley. I think the quality the other whiskeys, amazing, expensive as hell. Somebody asked what the price is about I want to you know, it's buck tend to buck and a quarter depending where you go shopping. And in Kentucky, what, yeah, even a distillery in Kentucky, we have a value added tax or if you're from out of town, we have we have 11% value added tax at the wholesale level. So that in flight to inflate your bottle costs by about 15%. So you can go you can find this, you know a lot of places around the country about 100 bucks, or sometimes even less, but here it's hundred a quarter, you know, hundred 10 You know, it just because our taxes graphic crazy. So look at the single barrel version of this. What I really liked about this one is the Carmel in here, this has this, you know, really, really nice Carmel profile with that with that nice spicy finish. And the other thing I like about this is that mouth coding, again, on the front, I'm in the middle, I'm in the back. I'm and this is this one's close to like 120 47:05 it was close to 130 and the 47:08 barrel strength 47:12 really nicely. I mean, to me, it was a nicely balanced whiskey, 47:16 not bourbon. You know, 47:19 from that standpoint, I think it's a little I don't think it's as complex as some of the bourbon we just tasted. But I think it's an amazing complex right. So what do you think? 47:32 Well, yeah, the bourbon I've been tasting bourbon since it's about a couple months old and it's it's very I'm done that but I've been tasting it all. I've been taking it all along. But I think this rise pretty amazing. The question was winds, the winds peerless. Is bourbon, come out with the next next next summer. I've been tasting it's if you like the raw, you'll have the bourbon. Yes, I think the parents is expensive, but I think it's damn good rye whiskey. I think it's, you know, I think it's damn good whiskey period atmosphere. really damn good. Rob whiskey. Thank you all for your time.
Tonight we invite Michael Fernandez back to the speakeasy so that each of us can choose our own whiskey from Jeeves' selection. Enjoy three separate pours as we give our notes on these three different whiskeys. “If you came here to learn, drink what you have learned. If you came here to share, share what you drink. If you came here a stranger, may you exit as a friend; and if you came here for and adventure, drink up!” Facebook Group The B-S.E.A. Whiskey Glass
Eddie Russell from Wild Turkey needs no introduction. He’s one of the most honest Master Distillers in the industry and tells it like it is. This episode digs into the nuances of the Wild Turkey line up to see if we can figure out what could change. The biggest answer we all want to know is when will there be a barrel proof Russell’s Reserve? Tune in to find out. Show Partners: At Barrell Craft Spirits, every batch they produce has a distinct flavor profile. They take pride in blending and preserving spirits for the people who enjoy them the most, you. You can find it on the shelf at your nearest retail store. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: The week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about value whiskey. How often are you going to Jimmy with questions? Do you feel like you have the job down? When you retire do you think you will hang around the distillery like Jimmy? Do you feel like you have to work at the distillery? Since you travel so much, what airline are you loyal to? When you travel, do you wear Wild Turkey gear? Are there any travel destinations that have stood out to you? Do you get to have any fun when you travel? Are there any plans for changing barrel proof entry? How can you not get 101 proof out of bourbon that goes in a 110? What is the thought process behind where in the rickhouse you place the barrels to age? Is 108 your target for Rare Breed? How many barrels are being dumped into Rare Breed? Talk about the warehouses. Do you see a difference in the whiskey coming out of the brick warehouses? How often do you get the chance to take a gamble? Do you see 81 still being prevalent in the market place? How many more derivatives do you think you can do? Are you wanting to bring in another recipe? Will we ever see a barrel strength Russell's Reserve? Do you enjoy picking barrels with consumers? Talk about the proof difference between Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit and Russell's Reserve. Tell us about the partnership with Matthew McConaughey. Is it a goal to bring back the 8-year-old age statement?
Wild Turkey's Benny Hurwitz has no problem working any gig on the totem pole. For him, mastering even the smallest of things, leads to a much better and well-rounded life. After realizing the suit and tie lifestyle wasn't for this skateboarding Maryland native, he entered the freeing world of hospitality. This land of little structure, no lectures, and a lot of creative freedom set his career on a whole new path. With his great experience at the Columbia Room and Jack Rose Dining Saloon, he attending his first session of Behind the Barrel. This connection to the Wild Turkey family continued to grow and now he travels the states sharing fine drams from the Wild Turkey distillery. We chat stepping, skating, family, and older vintages of Russell's Reserve.
After The holiday the boys are back with Special Guest @miss_vampira666. They talk about the events over last couple of weeks and review season 3 of Daredevil, Season 8 of American Horror Story. Kiel and Eric talk about the Pale Waves and Kailee Morgue show they went to. Also Eric and Missy discuss the whiskey tasting at the historic Casanova liquor store. Things quickly process to go off the deep end as the three of them drink an entire bottle of Russell's Reserve 10 year through the course of the episode and discuss such gems as Kiels love of Thomas Jane, What Punisher version is best. The pros and cons of binge watching TV or killing yourself. Why craft distilleries are garbage. Finally Kiel's love of music that lesbians make out to.
John is joined by his friends Justin and James from Barrels and Brews as well as their friend Daniel as they recap their night at the Nashville Whiskey Festival. They talk about everything they had including 2018 Birthday Bourbon, Wild Turkey Revival, Four Roses 130th, a limited edition from Barrell Bourbon, and some special local surprises from places like Pennington Distilling Co and Old Dominick. We also sip on a Russell's Reserve picked by Jamie Farris and Dixon Dedmon and Rarebreed. Intro/Outro: Springtide "Fall Asleep Under the Millions of Stars"
Is he the biggest Wild Turkey super fan out there? Without a doubt. David Jennings goes by the alter ego RareBird101. In this episode we explore his obsession with older dusty Wild Turkey and even some of the newest Russell's Reserve offerings. We also spend some time speculating on our theories on what has changed over the years and if Wild Turkey is headed in the right direction with premium offerings. Sponsors: Get upfront and honest life insurance quotes in less than 10 minutes with an online application from Ethos. Buy your tickets to the Speed Museum’s Art of Bourbon hosted by Fred Minnick Bourbon and Beyond Music Festival takes place in Louisville, KY on Sept 22nd and 23rd. Buy tickets and see the bourbon workshops we will be moderating. Show Notes: Before we dive right in, what's your bourbon story? What got you into Wild Turkey? What keeps you interested in Wild Turkey? Talk about your blog for a minute and what you do at Rarebird101 Think about some of those reviews you’ve done, because I’ve seen some real turkey unicorns in there from tradition to split labels to Christmas Rye. Do you have any standout favorites? What is it about cheesy gold foil? Jimmy says nothing has changed. But Be honest, do you think dusty Wild Turkey is better than today? Since you’ve tasted almost everything in the turkey lineup, any thoughts on recreating that dusty flavor profile? We posted on Instagram a while back about waiting in line for a Weller107 store pick because people like us are dumb. You were playing the angle that if everyone focused their attention on Russell's Reserve picks you wouldn’t have to stand in line. I know you have an article on the 10 reasons why you should be buying Russell's Reserve picks, what are some of those favorite reasons of yours? How many different Russell's Reserve picks do you have? It seems that Wild Turkey limited releases don’t get many accolades. From Diamond to Master’s Keep. What’s you honest opinion? Do you feel they don’t deserve the high dollar or do you? Did you sleep on Russell's Reserve 1998 like I did? When are you getting your chance to meet Matt McConaughey? Support RareBird101 on Patreon
In the second half of our night with our friends Denver, from Denver and Liely, Brett, the Scotch Trooper, and Brodie from the Empty Glass Resistance, we actually tried to drink some whiskey. Tried being the key word in that sentence. This really was a fun conversation between friends in which we tried a Four Roses pick from Elixir Spirits and a Russell's Reserve from Carother's Wine and Spirits. There are whiskey reviews, but a lot of laughs as well. Hope you enjoy! Intro/Outro: Springtide "Fall Asleep Under the Millions of Stars"
First, Will and the Greeze get in a passionate discussion about Kentucky Owl Batches 1 & 2... and drink both on a fresh crack. That takes up the entire first half the show. Then, after the 15, they drink Russell's Reserve Single Barrel. The rest is in the details. Buy us a drink at http://patreon.com/thepodcask Come hang out with us at the Southern Whiskey Society event on August 25, 2018 -- tickets at http://southernwhiskeysociety.com
In this episode Kiel is still mildly sick, but we dig into our local liquor stores exclusive barrel pick of Russell's Reserve. We also talk about some of the things we were excited about announced from this years SDCC. Mostly the Demolition Man taco Bell experience. For the main topic we break down the Golden Age Arc run of the Kentaro Miura long running series Berserk. We get into the history of the series and how delightfully messed up it is.
Zeke has been busy lately, and he updates John of all his adventures like a pick at Four Roses and picking some blends at Elixir Spirits. While John and Zeke catch up, they drink two Russell's Reserve picks from the Barrels and Brews crew at Carothers Wine and Spirits, Haters Gonna Hate and Backstage Pass to see which one of these popular local picks they like better. Intro/Outro: Springtide "Fall Asleep Under the Millions of Stars"
You asked and we listened. In this episode, we talk turkey... Wild Turkey that is. We did it by having a blind of two picks of Russell's Reserve, one from Flight Club and one from Motor Supply Co Bistro, against a Kentucky Spirit picked by 404 Kitchen in Nashville and plain ol' Rare Breed in a blind tasting. Cheers and Happy 4th of July! 'Merica! intro/outro: springtide "Fall Asleep Under the Millions of Stars"
This week I review the Russell's reserve 10 year small batch Kentucky straight bourbon on the #bourbonandbranchpodcast. It was a tasty #boozysnack & I hope everyone will listen & enjoy. Follow the show on Twitter @bourbnbranchpod Instagram @bourbandbranch & join our facebook group Bourbon and Branch podcast. Cheers everyone! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/bourbonandbranch/support
On this episode, the Whiskey of the day is Russell's Reserve 10 Year. We recap the Daytona 500, and discuss other major events in sports that everyone watches, while not typically following that sport. We also talk about some of the big stories and the big names coming out of the 2018 Olympic games. The comes NFL Free Agency. We talk about some of the big names and where they sign, whether it's with their old team or a new team. We all give our thoughts on the biggest story of 2018 free agency, Kirk Cousins! To find out where he lands, you have to listen! Hope you enjoy!
Drank tackles today's pressing issues in the beverage industry. "Under The Radar" features the Epic Son of a Baptist Stout from Colorado, and two gorgeous dry white wines from Italy: La Spinetta's Vermentino from Tuscany, and Feudi di San Gregorio's Falanghina from Campania. "Don't Believe The Hype" ponders how Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio has become so popular. "Sexiest Review" gets dirty with Russell's Reserve 6 Year Old Rye. The boys introduce a new section "Is It Worth It" with Kavalan Classic Single Malt Whiskey from Taiwan. Follow us on twitter @DrankThePodcast Follow us on instagram @drankpodcast
Today I review Russell's Reserve 10 year old Kentucky Straight Bourbon! A gift for my best friend Jacob! Great gift, what more could a man ask for? Let's see how this compares to the average wild turkey products. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/stu-swenson/support
The most superstitious fan in the world has returned to the podcast this week. Just when you thought you heard it all, Billy DeMora comes back for round two with Dino and offers even more insight into his bizarre superstitious world. DeMora also shares about his trip to the Wild Turkey distillery where he had a private tasting with master distiller, Eddie Russell. The two cheers to good luck with Russell's Reserve 10 year.
Wild Turkey Barrel Selection Exclusive with Ed Bley of Cork N Bottle, Reid and Emerald of 1789b, Nick Dikeos of The Bourbon Mafia, and Jimmy Russell of Wild Turkey. Get an inside look at how these connoisseurs of bourbon choose barrels while Jimmy is rattling off more information and history than we knew before. This is a Bourbon Pursuit first, bringing you inside on a private barrel selection. Get 5% off your in-store and online orders at Art Eatables with offer code “Pursuit” Everyone introduce themselves Ed, what’s your mentality going into a barrel pick? Jimmy, what hasn’t been tried in this business? Jimmy, you said Wild Turkey doesn’t produce anything outside of their own brands but what about Old Ripy and Bond and Lilliard? Emerald, what’s bourbon like in Arizona? Jimmy, talk about Chill Filtering Ed, do you feel like we could be choosing barrels that have been passed on by others? Jimmy talks about MGP, Schenley, and more Nick, talk about off-profile picks and why they are desired Emerald, how has barrel picking changed since bourbon has become so popular because you can’t get things like private ETL? Reid, talk about the differences between choosing barrels at Four Roses Jimmy, talk about the oak that goes into making the barrels Jimmy, when it comes to local farmers, does farm to bottle really mean anything? Jimmy, how did you get in trouble with the Wild Turkey pewter tops? Ed, Reid, and Nick, what do you think collaborations of different stores and groups coming together to make something special? Jimmy, talk about Parker Beam from Heaven Hill These bottles will be in stores very soon!
The word is out — Stefano's Lounge on Key Biscayne has a brand new creative cocktail program, courtesy of the Cocktail Cartel guys. The newly renovated space, open Thursday through Saturday, features a variety of unique drinks. Some of our favorites include El Farolito made with Espolòn Reposado Tequila, Grapefruit Syrup, Lime and Indy Seville Orange Soda; Carlito’s Way made with Santa Teresa Añejo, Ginger Nectar, Citrus, and Vanilla Bean Soda; Crandon Park Sour with Polish Standard Vodka, Lemon Verbena, St. Germain, Absinthe rise, Chamomile Bitters with Cucumber Soda; and the visually stunning selection of gin and tonics inspired by painters that have shaped the art world. Do yourself a favor and get over there before everyone gets in on this new spot. In the meantime, check out the images below and the video of Eddie Fuentes making The Old Fashioned Key Rats w/ Russell's Reserve 10 Year Old Bourbon.
Eddie Russell has been working in the shadow of his father, Wild Turkey's legendary master distiller Jimmy Russell, for the last 35 years. Now, Eddie's taking on more of the responsibility for developing new Wild Turkey and Russell's Reserve whiskies, just as his own son enters the family business. We'll talk with Eddie Russell and find out more about his latest project - the upcoming Master's Keep Decades Bourbon - on this week's WhiskyCast In-Depth. In the news, Utah's High West Distillery could fetch $100 million at auction, Angel's Envy has fired up the still at its new distillery in Louisville, and the Red Tape Follies return with an Irish tale that has a happy ending.
In this episode of Whiskey Cats, Jenn is on assignment, so you'll have to make do with Heather and Kelly, as we taste Russell's Reserve and discuss some weighty whiskey topics. Cheers. Taste: Russell's Reserve http://wildturkeybourbon.com/product/russells-reserve/ Photo: http://whiskeycats.com/post/147092992719/russells-reserve The Whiskey Jug: http://thewhiskeyjug.com/bourbon-whiskey/bourbon-review-russells-reserve-10-year-small-batch/ Cocktail Corner: Russell Me This http://bevmothirstytimes.com/drinks/russells-reserve-cocktail/ Bourbon soaked cherries https://thethingsithinkabout.com/2011/12/14/bourbon-soaked-cherries/ Whiskey News: Jack Daniel’s Embraces a Hidden Ingredient: Help From a Slave http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/dining/jack-daniels-whiskey-nearis-green-slave.html?smid=tw-share&referer= Whisky Industry Reacts to Brexit Vote http://www.fredminnick.com/2016/06/24/whisky-industry-reacts-brexit-vote/ Music *Norleans Lovas by Jeris featuring unreal_dm ccmixter.org/files/VJ_Memes/33400 CC Attribution Share-Alike (3.0) *Don’t Go Way Nobody *Bessie Smith – “I’m Wild About That Thing”
Juliette rants about Quentin Tarantino, new disturbing trends in restaurants, Chi-town Rising, and almost killing Steven Spielberg, all while drinking Russell's Reserve 10 year old bourbon.