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Upstream is where host Erik Torenberg goes deeper with the world's most interesting thinkers to map the constellation of ideas that matter across tech, culture, and politics. On this season of Upstream, you'll hear from Marc Andreessen, David Sacks, Balaji Srinivasan, Sam Harris, Joe Lonsdale, Katherine Boyle, and more. Upstream is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

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    E138: Palantir CEO Alex Karp & Rep. Ritchie Torres on Innovation & The West | Hill and Valley Forum 2024

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2025 34:02


    Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir Technologies, and Congressman Richie Torres discuss higher education, Palantir's fearless culture, and the importance of contrarianism in driving innovation at the 2024 Hill and Valley Forum. —

    E137: AI Safety vs Speed: Helen Toner Discusses OpenAI Board Experience, Regulatory Approaches, and Military AI [The Cognitive Revolution]

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2025 83:35


    This week on Upstream, we're releasing an episode of The Cognitive Revolution. Nathan Labenz interviews Helen Toner, director at CSET, about her experiences with OpenAI, the concept of adaptation buffers for AI integration, and AI's role in military decision-making. They discuss the implications of AI development, the need for regulatory policies, and the geopolitical dynamics involving AI competition with China. —

    E136: Trump V2: Tariffs, American Dynamism, Higher Ed | Byrne Hobart

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2025 65:37


    In this episode, Erik Torenberg and Byrne Hobart discuss the economic consequences of Trump's tariffs, OpenAI's recent innovations, and their implications for white collar work. They also explore the potential market shifts, the resilience of the US dollar as a reserve currency, and the state of elite higher education institutions like Harvard in the current geopolitical climate. —

    E135: The Problem With Reserve Currencies and Switching to Crypto w/ Lyn Alden [From the Archives]

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2025 56:19


    This week on Upstream, we're sharing Erik Torenberg's 2024 interview with Lyn Alden. Lyn discusses her book 'Broken Money', the impact of the global reserve currency, inflation, interest rates, and provides advice for navigating an uncertain economic future. —

    E134: Atheism's Decline, Consciousness, and The New Right w/ Ross Douthat

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2025 58:48


    Today on Upstream, Ross Douthat joins Erik Torenberg to discuss his new book 'Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious,' exploring the decline of new atheism, the intellectual defense of institutional religion, and the intersection between traditional Christianity, Silicon Valley, and modern materialism. This episode originally aired on Moment of Zen (April 12, 2025). —

    E133: China's Energy Problem w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2025 58:49


    Today on Upstream, we're releasing a 2024 conversation between Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja. They discuss China's approach to energy security, exploring why China isn't pursuing energy independence despite significant oil production capability and the potential for further development. —

    E132: AI Managers, US vs China Analysis, and AI Art w/ Byrne Hobart

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2025 53:18


    Today on Upstream, we're sharing an episode of The Riff (originally aired on April 1, 2025). Erik Torenberg and Byrne Hobart explore the shifting dynamics of global trade between China and the US, the potential for AI to replace senior rather than junior roles in the workplace, and the economic structure of live entertainment markets like StubHub. —

    E131: Abundance Agenda, The New Right, and 2008 Retrospective w/ Noah Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2025 69:57


    Today on Upstream, Erik Torenberg and Noah Smith discuss the Abundance Agenda by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, the impact of the 2008 recession, Obama's presidency, and shifts in political ideology, focusing on the 'New Right' and its cultural and economic implications, while also touching upon the economic recovery strategies post-2008. This episode originally aired on Econ102 (April 1, 2025) —

    E130: Elon Musk's Network Effects and Checking in on Chinese AI w/ Byrne Hobart

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2025 62:20


    This week on Upstream, we're releasing an episode of The Riff (originally aired on March 25, 2025) where Erik Torenberg and Byrne Hobart discuss Don Jr.'s leveraging of the Trump brand, Dustin Moskovitz's departure to address AI risks, economic impacts of various policies, and geopolitical considerations with a focus on AI and China's tech ambitions. —

    E129: Dark Triad, Romantic Partner Selection, and Dating Advice w/ Rob Henderson

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2025 65:20


    Today on Upstream, Erik Torenberg interviews author Rob Henderson about modern romance, discussing evolutionary psychology, the attraction to dark triad men, dating apps, and practical advice for men seeking romantic partners. —

    E128: US-Europe Relations, How Japan Can Strengthen The Yen, and Predicting AI's Growth Effects w/ Noah Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2025 55:36


    Today on Upstream, Erik Torenberg and Noah Smith analyze America's European withdrawal, China's selective globalization strategy, and tempers expectations about AI's economic impact while considering GDP measurement challenges. —

    E127: The Tech Right and How The Left Can Fix Itself w/ Jon Askonas

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2025 48:10


    Today on Upstream, we're airing Erik Torenberg's conversation with Jon Askonas. They explore the emerging coalition between MAGA supporters and Silicon Valley tech leaders, examines the underlying political realignment, the tensions and fault lines within this coalition, and the potential future conflicts surrounding issues like immigration and transhumanism. This episode originally aired on Moment Zen (February 22, 2025) —

    E126: Data Center Economics and AI Energy Requirements w/ Patrick McKenzie and Azeem Azhar

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2025 77:05


    Today on Upstream, we're releasing Patrick MacKenzie's interview with Azeem Azhar which originally aired in February 2025 on Complex Systems. They discuss the economics and infrastructure of data centers, comparing historical infrastructure rollouts to modern AI-driven data center needs, and explore the implications of exponential power demands, including innovations like small modular nuclear reactors and geothermal energy. —

    E125: Palantir's Politics, Elon's Approach to DOGE, and AI's Effects on Writing w/ Byrne Hobart

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2025 58:51


    Today on Upstream, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg dive into the wide-ranging effects of technological change on media and society. They cover the AI debate, blogging's social impact, AI's influence on search and data, the changing news industry, foreign aid cuts, and the rise of new tech elites. This episode originally aired on The Riff (March 11, 2025). —

    E124: How to Have A Philosophical Marriage w/ Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 9, 2025 72:09


    Today on Upstream, we're releasing an episode from Modern Relationships which originally aired on February 28, 2025 where Erik Torenberg interviews philosophy professors Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks about their unconventional marriage, the role of philosophy in their relationship, the impact of their public profile, and how they balance personal and philosophical life together. —

    E123: Trump & The Game of Populism w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2025 59:15


    Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja discuss the limitations of populist politics, the difficulty populists face in effecting change despite electoral wins, and the influence of digital democracy on modern governance. —

    E122: Victor Davis Hanson on What Trump Thinks of Zelensky and Predicting Geopolitics

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2025 37:51


    E121: Kevin Kelly on What Makes Us Human in an AI World

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2025 50:16


    In this episode of Upstream, we're releasing Erik Torenberg's interview from 2023 with Kevin Kelly, founding executive editor of Wired Magazine, discussing Kevin's new advice book, the impact of gratitude, and how technology, especially AI, interacts with and shapes human existence and culture. —

    E120: Why Europe Matters for America's Future w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2025 60:10


    This week on Upstream, Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja discuss the widespread interest in U.S. politics and its global influence, particularly in Western and European countries, the internet's role in synchronizing political and cultural norms, and potential changes in European political landscapes influenced by American ideologies and media. —

    E119: Free Trade, AI Integration, and Shopify Q4 Results w/ Shopify President Harley Finkelstein

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2025 58:43


    E118: Ending Woke, Why Elon Wins, and A Return to Innovation w/ Marc Andreessen [Moment of Zen repost]

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2025 108:29


    Marc Andreessen and Erik Torenberg discuss the ongoing political and cultural shift in America, covering topics such as preference falsification, the role of DEI in tech and other sectors, the influence of group chats, and the emerging dynamic in politics with highly capable appointments in the new administration. —

    E117: The Future of Martian & Interplanetary Societies w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2025 61:25


    This week on Upstream, Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja discuss the economic, political, and cultural implications of colonizing Mars and the Moon, discussing space treaties, potential Martian and Earth societal divergence, and the technological advancements driving humanity's future as a multi-planetary species. —

    E116: Stuck Academia, US vs China, and Why Startups Work

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2025 63:43


    Today, we're re-releasing an episode from 2023 where Erik Torenberg sits down with physicist and startup founder Steve Hsu on topics including the ideological shift in academia, the impact of AI on labor, China's technological advancements and geopolitical position, and the global fertility decline. —

    E115: New Tariff Implications, DeepSeek and Open Source Analysis, and Meta's Big Bets w/ Byrne Hobart

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2025 70:53


    Erik Torenberg and Byrne Hobart discuss the implications of recent tariffs, the impact of AI advancements like DeepSeek, Meta's investments in VR and AI, stock market dynamics, and differing perspectives on open-source AI models. —

    E114: Tyler Cowen on Legacy, Twitter + Harvard, and Fertility Decline [Upstream Archive]

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 2, 2025 59:58


    Tyler Cowen discusses his book on the greatest economists of all time, evaluates the contributions of macroeconomics, and touches on topics such as stagnation, AI, fertility, and the future of academia and societal trends. —

    E113: Reflections on Yarvin, Why the Right is Stuck, and Startups as Dictatorships w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2025 58:09


    In this episode, Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg discuss Curtis Yarvin's recent New York Times interview. They explored his ideas, especially the comparison between corporate market dynamics and government functionality, and the need for live players in leadership to prevent bureaucratic decay.  —

    E112: Election Update, Tech's Political Shift, and America's Stuck GDP | This Won't Last

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 25, 2025 73:35


    This week on Upstream, we're sharing Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's discussion of the 2025 post-election landscape centered on Trump's victory, examining his evolved approach and tech industry support, while exploring interconnected policy challenges around immigration, corporate politics, urban crime, and market regulation in areas like wildfire insurance and healthcare. —

    E111: Samo Burja & Auren Hoffman on the Decline of Fertility Rates and Institutional Trust

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2025 80:27


    Samo Burja and Auren Hoffman discuss various topics including the Great Founder Theory, the decline of trust in elites, falling fertility rates, and the importance of exceptional individuals in shaping history and future societal structures.  —

    110: Crypto Debanking: What Really Happened | Patrick McKenzie

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2025 65:43


    Today on Upstream, we're releasing an interview between Erik Torenberg and Patrick McKenzie. Patrick discusses Operation Chokepoint, the origins of debanking, and how it affects the crypto industry, offering detailed insights into the political motivations, regulatory complexities, and practical ramifications of such banking decisions. —

    109: Dating & Relationships Deep Dive w/ Noah Smith and Katherine Dee (Default Friend)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2025 57:24


    This week on Upstream, we're releasing an episode of Econ102. Erik Torenberg and Noah Smith talk with Katherine Dee (@default_friend) about dating in the 21st century, differences in dating markets, the impact of feminism, technology's influence on cultural creativity, societal shifts, and the state of online subcultures. —

    108: Should AI have Rights? With Nathan Labenz and Yeshua God, Robopsychologist

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2025 181:42


    This week on Upstream, Nathan Labenz explores the fascinating and controversial realm of AI consciousness with robo-psychologist Yeshua God. Yeshua tackles the philosophical and ethical considerations of AI consciousness, discussing AI self-awareness, memory, and emotional capacity, while debating the implications of treating AI as sentient beings. —

    E107: How Desalination Could Create New Superpowers | Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2025 67:22


    Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja discuss the advancements in desalination technology, its current applications, and potential to address global water scarcity. They explore the technological and economic feasibility of large-scale desalination projects and their implications on geopolitics and environmental resilience. —

    E106: The Man Who Wrote the Book on NVIDIA

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 3, 2025 59:25


    Author Tae Kim joins Erik Torenberg and Byrne Hobart to discuss his book 'The NVIDIA Way,' highlighting CEO Jensen Huang's transformation of Nvidia into a tech giant, the company's unique culture, and Nvidia's crucial strategic decisions. —

    E105: Delian Asparouhov & Nadia Asparouhova: Making Relationships Work

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 28, 2024 64:42


    Varda Space founder Delian Asparouhov and writer Nadia Asparouhova get surprisingly candid about what makes their relationship work - from their chaotic first date to how they've built a life together while pursuing ambitious work. Turns out: sometimes talking less, not more, is the key to lasting partnership. This is the first episode of Turpentine's newest podcast Modern Relationships, which will feature insights from tech power couples and leading thinkers like Rob Henderson about building strong relationships. Subscribe below: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1786227593  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5hJzs0gDg6lRT6r10mdpVg  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ModernRelationshipsPod  —

    E104: AI Meets Geopolitics w/ Samo Burja and Nathan Labenz

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2024 83:02


    Today on Upstream, we're releasing an episode which originally aired on The Cognitive Revolution, a podcast from the Turpentine Network. Samo Burja and Nathan Labenz discuss AI's impact on geopolitics, scientific progress, and economic strategies, emphasizing the importance of AI science, the risks of weaponizing AI, and the future of industrial and energy policies in the U.S. and China. —

    E103: Byrne Hobart on What The First AI Agents Will Do + China, Google Analysis

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 15, 2024 64:35


    This week on Upstream, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg discuss the potential of AI agents in tech support, economic impacts of passive investing, historical financial strategies of Warren Buffett, and the implications of tariffs and technological developments in national wealth. —

    E102: America's Culture of Winning w/ Alex Karp and Jacob Helberg

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2024 32:43


    Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, and Jacob Helberg, discuss AI-enabled warfare, the importance of taking clear ethical stances, the evolution of Silicon Valley culture, and the integration of tech innovation into governmental defense systems at the Hill and Valley Forum in Washington, DC. —

    E101: Wokeism & Class w/ David Sacks, Trump's AI Czar [Upstream Archive]

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2024 79:08


    In this 2023 conversation between Erik Torenberg and David Sacks, they discuss David's new role as Donald Trump's AI and crypto czar, the shift towards censorship and wokeness in Silicon Valley, particularly at companies like PayPal and Twitter, and the broader implications for free speech, public debate, and the future of liberalism. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/e55b5666-67b9-4c2a-8968-943cee9f0466  —

    E100: Marc Andreessen: How 2016 Broke My Mental Model of the World

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2024 115:24


    Following Marc's great discussion with Joe Rogan, we wanted to share our interview with Marc Andreessen, who recounts his intellectual evolution and his quest to discover how the world works from 2016 onwards. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/09f4b7dc-5fa8-4e0e-a2aa-87344c3db84b  —

    E99: This Era's Inflection Points with Byrne Hobart | DOGE, Elon, OpenAI

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2024 63:52


    This week on Upstream, Byrne Hobart discusses the potential impacts of the Department of Government Efficiency, insights from leaked OpenAI emails, Trump's and Elon Musk's policies and their economic implications, and the future of prediction markets in organizational decision-making. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/279fae71-9087-46b7-a2e6-b6e17d8fdf6b —

    E98: Solving America's Problems with Joe Lonsdale

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2024 60:17


    This week on Upstream, we're releasing a conversation between Erik Torenberg and Joe Lonsdale, co-founder of Palantir and founder of the Cicero Institute, discusses his solutions for American healthcare, education, crime, homelessness, and inequality, emphasizing the need for accountability and nonpartisan approaches. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/f6eb1f43-6fe9-43cc-a95f-168655056447  —

    E97: Combining Biology and AI w/ Michael Levin and Dr. Leo Pio Lopez

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2024 75:42


    This week we're releasing an episode from the Cognitive Revolution, Nathan Labenz interviews Professor Michael Levin and Dr. Leo Pio Lopez about their groundbreaking research integrating multiple biological datasets using advanced AI techniques to predict new disease links, and discusses broader implications for AI in biology and future technologies. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/47dd68fb-1bea-43c0-809e-6a1a32c9cb48 —

    E96: Rudyard Lynch and Samo Burja Talk The Left's Future and Problems with Modernity

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2024 62:25


    Today on Upstream, Rudyard Lynch and Samo Burja discuss the aftermath of the U.S. presidential election, the decline of French influence in Africa, the psychology of modernity, and the potential future of free versus controlled internet. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/d3195f8d-9dc3-4891-83d6-3354a83efbe9 —

    E95: Trump's Potential Transportation Secretary on Growing Uber | Emil Michael

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2024 58:17


    Emil Michael, formerly the Chief Business Officer of Uber, talked to Erik Torenberg and Jesse Genet about the most intense moments during Uber's meteoric rise. Its been reported that he's on the short list of Trump's picks for US Secretary of Transportation. For full shownotes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/f213f7ab-3627-4d15-b151-0238f9ebd159 —

    E94: Best of: AGI | Dario Amodei / Balaji Srinivasan / Marc Andreessen / Samo Burja / Michael Levin

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2024 78:02


    This week, we're featuring discussions with Dario Amodei, Balaji Srinivasan, Marc Andreessen, Michael Levin, and Samo Burja on AGI scaling laws, AI safety, and AI development, exploring themes such as the evolution of AI, economic implications, and philosophical aspects of intelligence. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/9192a95f-b467-47c1-9de0-827cae992d6b —

    E93: How Trump and Elon Could Rebuild the US Government

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2024 58:26


    In this episode of Upstream, Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg discuss how Trump's victory signals a new alliance between right-wing politics and tech industry leaders like Elon Musk while exploring the challenges and opportunities of reforming government institutions through technological innovation. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/e4d3405e-6c8a-42ce-93f1-72caf85da775 —

    E92: Curtis Yarvin's Pre-Election Advice to Elon Musk

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2024 103:33


    In this episode, Erik and Yarvin discuss media, power, and what Elon should do with Twitter. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/b9c0012c-979b-441e-9fb3-6394bef6a7ad —

    E91: Why We Do Philosophy w/ Agnes Callard

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 2, 2024 81:49


    In this episode, Erik sits down with Agnes Callard, a philosopher and essayist who specializes in ancient philosophy, ethics, and Socratic communication. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/cee0a35b-4a10-4c3a-a988-7d9b3d7b7db4  —

    E90: Elites, Institutions, and Trump with Richard Hanania

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2024 79:43


    Richard Hanania joins Erik Torenberg to discuss his upcoming book on elite human capital, the future of American politics, and his evolving views on culture war issues. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/af273f63-9f1b-49e1-8fed-28296237498b  —

    E89: Economics as a Science w/ Noah Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2024 47:40


    Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg tackle the shift in economic research from empirical studies to "big think" theories, critically examine Acemoglu's work on institutions and AI's impact on jobs, and debate the future of economics as a science. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/d1548747-43db-4b71-b0a8-af285d3deafd  —

    E88: The Fertility Apocalypse w/ Samo Burja

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2024 64:54


    This week on Upstream, Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja explore the global demographic crisis, examining plummeting fertility rates worldwide and their potentially catastrophic implications for humanity's future. For full show notes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/0d2557ac-2da6-4087-b6b4-b55f326b47fd  —

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