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Send us Fan MailA baby asks for “mama,” and two adults laugh back, “There is no mama.” That short viral moment is heartbreaking on the surface, but we think it also reveals something deeper about the way modern culture talks about same-sex marriage, commercial surrogacy, and what counts as a family.I'm joined by my daughter Hannah as we slow down and look past the news cycle. We start with why the video felt so evil to so many people, not only because it provokes a child to tears, but because it treats a child's mother as optional. From there we revisit a question some people warned about years ago after Obergefell: what about the children? We talk plainly about how no “private” adult choice stays private once a child is involved, and why children's rights must come before adult agendas.We also bring in the child development and sociology side. We outline what social scientists commonly acknowledge about socioemotional health: biology matters, gender differences matter, and parental loss is harmful whether it comes through divorce, abandonment, death, adoption, IVF, or third party reproduction. We challenge the slogan “love is enough,” discuss why some studies are methodologically weak, and point listeners to research associated with Paul Sullins and Mark Regnerus. Finally, we share testimony from adult children and stories drawn from Katie Faust's Them Before Us, where “father mother hunger” shows up again and again.If you care about faith, family, and the real-world impact of marriage and reproductive technology on kids, listen through to the end, then subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.Support the showhttps://www.jacksonfamilyministry.comhttps://bobslone.com/home/podcast-production/
In this episode, Jonathan Morrow sits down with Katie Faust, children's rights advocate, founder and president of Them Before Us, and voice behind the Greater Than Campaign, for a wide-ranging conversation on why God's design for marriage and family is the foundation of child protection, human flourishing, and civilizational health. Katie shares her personal backstory: a stay-at-home mom and pastor's wife who was moved to action out of "blind rage" over the normalization of mother and father loss in the gay marriage debate. Drawing on her own experience with family fragmentation and her years in youth ministry, she brings both personal conviction and rigorous argumentation to the table. Topics Discussed: Why the religious liberty argument against gay marriage failed, and what should have been said instead The three things children uniquely receive when raised by their biological mother and father: biological identity, safety and love, and a complementary gender balance The Cinderella Effect and what decades of social science say about unrelated adults in the home How to respond to common objections: "Love makes a family," "This is an equality issue," and "The studies show no harm" Why Christians cannot opt out of this issue in the name of "just preaching the gospel" A vision for Gen Z and Gen Alpha: why this generation has the greatest calling of any in history Resources Mentioned: Them Before Us (thembeforeus.com) Greater Than Campaign (greaterthancampaign.com) Impact 360 Institute (impact360.org) Realign Conference — September, Atlanta area Ministry Leader Collective — cohort training for youth pastors and next gen directors Documentary: This Is a Child (Focus on the Family, upcoming) Book: Them Before Us: Why We Need a Global Children's Rights Movement by Katie Faust
We sit down with Katy Faust, the voice behind the Greater Than Campaign and Them Before Us to expose the hidden costs of redefining marriage. What did millions of Christians actually consent to in 2015 when they supported gay marriage for “love and equality”? Get practical encouragement for Christians who love their gay family members but refuse to stay silent. Find out more about the full Greater Than Campaign here: https://greaterthancampaign.com/ All The Things #227 Season 8, Episode 7
We sit down with Katy Faust, the voice behind the Greater Than Campaign and Them Before Us to expose the hidden costs of redefining marriage. What did millions of Christians actually consent to in 2015 when they supported gay marriage for “love and equality”? Get practical encouragement for Christians who love their gay family members but refuse to stay silent. Find out more about the full Greater Than Campaign here: https://greaterthancampaign.com/ All The Things #227 Season 8, Episode 7
Julie Nelson and Chris Magruder welcome Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, a nonprofit giving children a voice in cultural and legislative conversations that too often prioritize adult desires over kids' needs. What is Them Before Us? Founded in response to the 2012–2015 cultural shift around same-sex marriage, Them Before Us uses social science research to make the case that children consistently flourish best with their married, biological mother and father — and that every departure from that, whether through divorce, surrogacy, or same-sex households, carries real costs for kids that culture has been too quick to dismiss. Surrogacy vs. Adoption & the viral "Mama" video: Josh draws a sharp distinction between adoption, which tries to heal a child's loss, and surrogacy, which deliberately inflicts it. The conversation also unpacks a viral video of a baby raised by a same-sex couple instinctively crying out "Mama" — and what it reveals about children's biological and emotional needs. How you can help: Follow and share @ThemBeforeUs on social media, read the blog at thembeforus.substack.com, support their work financially, engage your legislators, and start close to home — model a strong, sacrificial marriage for the children already in your life. Learn more at thembeforeus.com Episode Contributors Julie Nelson, Chris Magruder, Josh Wood #CatholicWomenNow #ThemBeforeUs #ChildrensRights #ProChild #CatholicRadio #IowaCatholicRadio #FamilyFirst #DefendTheFamily #CatholicMoms #SurrogacyVsAdoption #MarriageAndFamily #CatholicFaith #HolyBoldness #ProtectChildren #NaturalFamily Iowa Catholic Radio Network Shows:Be Not Afraid with Fr. Fabian Moncada and Fr. Bruce RiebeBe Not Afraid in Spanish with Fr. Fabian MoncadaCatholic Women Now with Chris Magruder and Julie NelsonMaking It Personal with Bishop William JoensenMan Up! with Joe StopulosSunday Dive with Katie PatrizioThe Catholic Morning Show with Dr. Bo BonnerThe Daily Gospel Reflection with Fr. Nick SmithThe Uncommon Good with Bo Bonner and Dr. Bud MarrFaith and Family Finance with Gregory WaddleWant to support your favorite show? Click Here Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In this episode, we welcome Katy Faust back to the studio. She is a Children's Rights Advocate and the Founder and President of “Them Before Us”, a global movement defending children's right to their mother and father. She is also the author of several books including “Them Before Us: Why We Need a Global Children's Rights Movement”. In this interview, we discuss her new initiative: The Greater Than Campaign, why she is trying to get the Obergefell v. Hodges gay marriage SCOTUS ruling overturned, how the rights of children are being violated to make adults feel comfortable, the dangers faced by children in gay parent households, how easy it has become for people to create and take possession of “designer babies”, why the IVF process is helping drive this cultural shift, and much more. Let's get into it… Episode notes and links HERE. Donate to support our mission of equipping men to push back darkness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Morning news and headlines, Bob Packwood is gone, later Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us. New polling shows plummeting support for gay marriage and other LGBTQ agendas, what does it really mean?
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Friday, June 5, 20264:20 pm: Mike Gonzalez, Senior Fellow in Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation, joins the program to discuss his piece for the Washington Examiner on how the Marxist threat to America is advancing on two fronts.4:38 pm: Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins the show to discuss why he thinks a new Gallup poll shows support for same-sex marriage and other LGBTQ causes is declining for the first time in decades. Hint: It's about how these issues have overlooked children.5:05 pm: Gary Gygi of Gygi Capital Management joins Rod and Greg to discuss the May job numbers, which show a growth of more than 172,000 jobs while unemployment remained at 4/3%.6:05 pm: Major Keith Bottjen of the Salvation Army joins the show to discuss National Donut Day and how it helps serve our communities and veterans.6:20 pm: Dan Neville of Harvest Right joins Rod for our new “CEOs You Should Know” feature.6:38 pm: We'll listen back to this week's conversations with Professor Robert George of Princeton University, the creator of Fidelity Month, on the meaning behind the idea. Utah Governor Spencer Cox recently declared June Fidelity Month in the state.6:50 pm: An encore of this week's interview with Scott McKay of the American Spectator on why he says the CBS program 60 Minutes is burning to the ground.
Day Break | Free Speech, Free For All Friday --- 00:00 - Monologue 19:10 – General Dick Miller and General Cornell Wilson, representing PuroVet. Miller and Wilson discuss the PuroVet mission, which helps veterans transition from military service into business ownership and entrepreneurship. They explain how the organization supports veteran-owned businesses and creates opportunities for former service members to succeed in the private sector. 38:18 - Monologue Featuring Ivey Gruber 47:16 – Danielle Buck, Senior Vice President of Marketing & Partnerships at Patriot Mobile. Buck discusses Patriot Mobile's growth, partnerships, and efforts to provide wireless services while supporting causes and organizations that align with the company's mission and values. 57:32 – Tony Abboud, Executive Director of the Vapor Technology Association (VTA). Abboud discusses regulatory challenges facing the vaping industry, including FDA approval processes, federal policy debates, and concerns about regulatory barriers affecting manufacturers and consumers. 1:06:34 – Katy Faust, founder and president of Them Before Us. Faust discusses the organization's first-ever Children's Rights Scorecard, which evaluates state laws based on how well they protect the rights and interests of children. The conversation focuses on family policy, child welfare, and legal frameworks affecting children across the country. 1:16:42 - Monologue 1:25:42 – Steve Dulan, professor and attorney. Dulan discusses a New Jersey lawsuit involving Glock and broader Second Amendment concerns. He explains arguments from critics who believe certain legal actions could be used to create firearm registries that lawmakers have historically denied pursuing. 1:35:50 – Wendy Block, Senior Vice President of Business Advocacy for the Michigan Chamber, appearing as part of the Michigan Chamber Business Brief. Block discusses the proposed “Michiganders for Money Out of Politics” (MiMOP/MMOP) ballot initiative and its potential impact on businesses, political advocacy, and campaign finance regulations in Michigan. 1:44:41 – Steve and Ivey Gruber take listener calls while discussing concerns about privacy, surveillance, and monitoring technology. Topics include cameras and microphones in schools, facial recognition systems, digital tracking, data collection, and the broader question of how much surveillance is becoming part of everyday life. Listeners share their thoughts on balancing convenience, security, and personal privacy. --- Check out our brand new podcast, 'Forgotten America'... Episode 16 is live NOW at Steve Gruber on YouTube! Link below: https://youtu.be/I4UA2LzQQUg
We just graded all 50 states on how well — or how badly — their laws protect children when it comes to parentage, surrogacy, donor conception, and marriage. Two-thirds of states got a C or below. One state got an A. In this episode, you'll meet the man whose state earned it — and the team that built the tool every family advocate in America needs right now.Go explore the Children's Rights Scorecard and find your state's grade at thembeforeus.comIN THIS EPISODENate Grasz — Executive Director of Nebraska Family Alliance, the largest Christian public policy organization in Nebraska. Nate led the passage of the First Freedom Act, one of the strongest religious freedom laws in the country, and has spent years successfully fighting to keep the words mother, father, husband, and wife in Nebraska's statutes — helping earn Nebraska the only A on the Children's Rights Scorecard.Learn more about Nebraska Family Alliance at nebraskafamilyalliance.orgWe also hear from Them Before Us founder Katy Faust and Engagement Director Patience Sunne on how the scorecard was built, what they found, and how you can use it to protect children in your state.
A new report on the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7th. Connecticut is close to enacting a law placing more restrictions on homeschoolers. Katy Faust of Them Before Us was the victim of a hit piece by the Seattle Times. And John and Maria will talk about the administration's infatuation with IVF. Recommendations The World and Everything in It Segment 1 – The Horrors of October 7; Attempts to Restrict Homeschooling MSN article on October 7 report Telegraph article on Nicholas Kristoff More violence in Nigeria Connecticut Democrats pass bill restricting homeschooling Segment 2 – Seattle Times Doxes Katy Faust; White House Pushes IVF MSN article on Chloe Cole Age of first time mothers hit record high Segment 3 – Questions and Comments A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today's World The Briefing Breakpoint
On this episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Katy Faust, a children's rights advocate, author, and founder of Them Before Us, joins Federalist Managing Editor Kylee Griswold to talk about The Seattle Times' front-page hit piece on her — on Mother's Day — for the crime of defending the rights of children and daring to oppose […]
On this episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Katy Faust, a children's rights advocate, author, and founder of Them Before Us, joins Federalist Managing Editor Kylee Griswold to talk about The Seattle Times' front-page hit piece on her — on Mother's Day — for the crime of defending the rights of children and daring to oppose Obergefell. Kylee and Katy dissect the shoddy piece of journalism, discuss how one bad SCOTUS decision redefined parentage by redefining marriage, and share what Christians can expect in the fight for kids' rights.Listen to Katy and Kylee's previous episode about IVF, surrogacy, and divorce here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLvWCQL9DKoRead Katy's article on The Seattle Times' hit piece here: https://thefederalist.com/2026/05/14/in-its-hit-piece-on-me-seattle-times-proves-im-right-about-obergefell/Follow Katy on X: https://x.com/Katy_FaustThe Federalist Foundation is a nonprofit, and we depend entirely on our listeners and readers — not corporations. If you value fearless, independent journalism, please consider a tax-deductible gift today at TheFederalist.com/donate. Your support keeps us going.
Katy Faust calls on adults to get out of their comfort zone to protect children from godlessness infiltrating families and households. Them Before Us: https://thembeforeus.com/ Greater Than Campaign: https://greaterthancampaign.com/ Abraham to Armageddon: https://www.comingsoonministries.org/conference www.worldviewmatters.tv © FreedomProject 2026
It's a special Them Before Us staff takeover as the gang gets together, in Brady Bunch style boxes, to share favorite mom and dad moments. Then Jenn and Sam go through some of the amazing moms in the movies as we round out the end of our Greater Than week of celebrating moms. What's a favorite memory you have of your mom and dad?And if you think every child deserves the mom and dad they came from, join us at greaterthancampaign.com.
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Tuesday, April 28, 20264:20 pm: Fox News columnist Liz Peek joins the show to discuss her piece pondering the question of what the driving force is behind the anger and violence of some young Americans.4:38 pm: Patrick Brosnan, a nationally recognized security expert and former NYPD detective, joins the program for a conversation about his piece in the New York Post on how President Trump's protection detail is failing.6:05 pm: Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins Rod and Greg to discuss his piece in The Federalist about how gay marriage is on a collision course with children's rights.6:38 pm: Rhyen Staley, Director of Research at Defending Education, joins Rod and Greg to discuss a new report from the group showing teachers unions spent over a billion dollars both federally and on the state level on political influence and power instead of putting it into the classrooms.
A parenting dilemma sparks a deeper conversation about family structure and what children truly need to thrive. In this episode, we examine how cultural shifts—especially around marriage, parenting, and identity—impact kids, often in ways that go unaddressed. Drawing on the organization, Them Before Us, research, personal stories, and a biblical framework, the discussion challenges the idea that “love is all you need” and explores the importance of both a mother and a father in a child's life. We also consider how Christians can respond with truth, courage, and compassion in a culture that increasingly prioritizes adult desires over children's well-being.Support the showThe ministry of Christian Life Resources promotes the sanctity of life and reaches hearts with the Gospel. We invite you to learn more about the work we're doing: https://christianliferesources.com/Join us for our 10th annual charity Golf Outing benefiting the ministry of Christian Life Resources on Friday, May 15, 2026, at the Ironwood Golf Course in Sussex, Wisconsin: https://christianliferesources.com/get-involved/events/golf-outing
On this episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Josh Wood, executive director of Them Before Us, joins Federalist Managing Editor Kylee Griswold to discuss the viral video of two gay “dads” laughing as the child they commissioned via surrogate cries for “mama.” Plus, Kylee and Josh discuss adoption, natural rights, and the direct line from this heartbreaking video back to Obergefell.Follow Josh on X: https://x.com/J_K_WoodLearn more about Them Before Us here: https://thembeforeus.com/Learn more about the Greater Than campaign here: https://greaterthancampaign.com/The Federalist Foundation is a nonprofit, and we depend entirely on our listeners and readers — not corporations. If you value fearless, independent journalism, please consider a tax-deductible gift today at TheFederalist.com/donate. Your support keeps us going.
On this episode of “The Kylee Cast,” Josh Wood, executive director of Them Before Us, joins Federalist Managing Editor Kylee Griswold to discuss the viral video of two gay “dads” laughing as the child they commissioned via surrogate cries for “mama.” Plus, Kylee and Josh discuss adoption, natural rights, and the direct line from this […]
In this episode, Bryce sits down with Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, to unpack one of the most disturbing fertility scandals in modern medicine — a doctor who secretly used his own sperm and fathered dozens of children without patients’ knowledge. The conversation expands beyond the shocking story to examine the broader fertility industry, IVF ethics, and the lack of regulation that makes cases like this possible. Josh explains how fertility fraud happens, why legal protections are still limited, and what these situations mean for children born through assisted reproduction. They also discuss: The doctor who secretly fathered 90+ children How fertility fraud happens — and why it’s hard to prosecute IVF ethics and the debate around embryo creation and storage The role of third-party donors and surrogacy Why some advocates are calling for stronger fertility regulations Real-world cases involving genetic screening and embryo selection This episode raises difficult questions about modern reproductive technology, parental rights, and whether current laws are keeping up with rapidly evolving fertility practices. Subscribe for more conversations on culture, politics, and the stories the media won’t touch.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Steve Gruber Show | Chaos at the Airports, Chaos in DC—Who's Actually Running the Country? --- 00:00 - Monologue 19:03 – Tim Murtaugh, senior advisor for Trump 2024 and former communications director for the Trump 2020 campaign. Murtaugh discusses affordability and critiques media coverage of the Iran conflict, arguing some narratives undermine U.S. interests. He also addresses DHS funding concerns, airport conditions, and the role of ICE in supporting operations. 27:55 – Dr. James Thorp, MD, Chief of Maternal and Prenatal Health at The Wellness Company. Dr. Thorp discusses legal challenges surrounding efforts to reform vaccine policy and broader debates over mRNA technology and safety. He also addresses concerns about spike proteins, as well as potential prescription drug supply disruptions tied to instability in the Middle East. Visit twc.health/gruber and use promo code GRUBER to save 10%. 38:03 - Monologue Featuring Ivey Gruber 46:58 – Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us. Wood discusses a case involving a fertility doctor accused of fathering numerous children without consent and the resulting push to make fertility fraud a felony. He explains how the issue ties into broader efforts to protect children's rights. 57:13 – Ally Triolo, RNC Director of Election Integrity. Triolo discusses the SAVE America Act and the Watson v. RNC case. She explains ongoing legal battles and policy efforts surrounding election integrity. 1:06:07 – Tom Garrett, Virginia Delegate representing the 56th House District. Garrett discusses concerns from GOP lawmakers about policies related to immigration enforcement in Virginia. He outlines arguments that current approaches may be putting communities at risk. 1:16:07 - Monologue 1:25:03 – Ron Rademacher, travel writer, author, speaker, storyteller, and record-holder for getting lost on Michigan's back roads. Rademacher shares events and destinations happening around Michigan. He highlights local travel ideas and seasonal attractions. 1:35:03 – Rep. Mike Harris, representing Michigan's 52nd District. Harris discusses the formation of a new House Law Enforcement Caucus alongside Rep. BeGole. He explains the group's focus on supporting law enforcement and public safety initiatives. 1:43:48 – Ivey Gruber, President of the Michigan Talk Network. Gruber discusses the proposed Deporting Fraudsters Act and broader concerns about election systems, including debates over mail-in voting. The conversation also touches on unusual criminal cases making headlines and ongoing public safety discussions. --- Check out our brand new podcast, 'Forgotten America'... The sixth episode is live NOW at Steve Gruber on YouTube! Link below: https://youtu.be/aKxApESBYuo
Katy Faust is founder of Them Before Us, a foundation with one goal in mind: to protect the right of a child to their mother and father. She joins Dave Smith and Alyssa Sonnenburg on Spotlight for this episode regarding her new campaign, titled Greater Than. This is an episode you do not want to miss. For decades, science shows children do better when raised by their married mom and dad — a safe, low-conflict home that nurtures development and trust.… Continue Reading
A fertility doctor secretly fathered dozens of children using his own sperm—and in most states, that still isn't clearly a crime. Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins Finding Freedom to discuss South Dakota's groundbreaking fertility fraud law and the massive ethical questions it raises about reproductive technology, biological identity, and children's rights. This conversation exposes the unregulated fertility industry, the troubling rise of genetic selection, and how policies designed to serve adults are sacrificing the wellbeing of children. From anonymous sperm donation to designer babies, Josh breaks down why biological parentage matters more than we've been willing to admit. We explore the legal battles, the psychological toll on donor-conceived children, and the dystopian future that awaits if we don't protect the fundamental right of children to know and be raised by their biological parents. This is an eye-opening conversation that transcends politics and gets to the heart of what it means to be human. CHAPTERS 0:00 Introduction: The Fertility Fraud Crisis 0:47 Meet Josh Wood & Them Before Us 3:54 The Dr. Donald Cline Case: 90+ Secret Children 6:53 South Dakota's New Fertility Fraud Law 20:46 Legal Precedents & Children Suing for Their Identity 25:05 Policy Solutions: What Needs to Change 25:20 Regulating the IVF Industry & Frozen Embryo Crisis 33:21 The Money Behind Designer Babies & Eugenics 34:11 The Dystopian Future: Artificial Wombs & Child Commodification 40:04 Closing Thoughts & How to Support Them Before Us LINKS: Learn more about Them Before Us: Website: ThemBeforeUs.com Substack: ThemBeforeUs.substack.com Social Media: @ThemBeforeUs SPONSOR: This episode is brought to you by Fox and Sons Coffee – fresh, high-quality coffee shipped directly to your door, available as whole bean or ground. Get 15% off orders of $40 or more with promo code JOHN at checkout. Visit: FoxNSons.com SUPPORT LIONS OF LIBERTY: Help keep this podcast going! We rely on listener support to continue bringing you content on freedom, political reform, and personal empowerment. Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/lionsoflibertySupport us on Locals: https://lionsofliberty.locals.com/ Subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen – it makes a huge difference! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A fertility doctor secretly fathered dozens of children using his own sperm—and in most states, that still isn't clearly a crime. Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins Finding Freedom to discuss South Dakota's groundbreaking fertility fraud law and the massive ethical questions it raises about reproductive technology, biological identity, and children's rights. This conversation exposes the unregulated fertility industry, the troubling rise of genetic selection, and how policies designed to serve adults are sacrificing the wellbeing of children. From anonymous sperm donation to designer babies, Josh breaks down why biological parentage matters more than we've been willing to admit. We explore the legal battles, the psychological toll on donor-conceived children, and the dystopian future that awaits if we don't protect the fundamental right of children to know and be raised by their biological parents. This is an eye-opening conversation that transcends politics and gets to the heart of what it means to be human. CHAPTERS 0:00 Introduction: The Fertility Fraud Crisis 0:47 Meet Josh Wood & Them Before Us 3:54 The Dr. Donald Cline Case: 90+ Secret Children 6:53 South Dakota's New Fertility Fraud Law 20:46 Legal Precedents & Children Suing for Their Identity 25:05 Policy Solutions: What Needs to Change 25:20 Regulating the IVF Industry & Frozen Embryo Crisis 33:21 The Money Behind Designer Babies & Eugenics 34:11 The Dystopian Future: Artificial Wombs & Child Commodification 40:04 Closing Thoughts & How to Support Them Before Us LINKS: Learn more about Them Before Us: Website: ThemBeforeUs.com Substack: ThemBeforeUs.substack.com Social Media: @ThemBeforeUs SPONSOR: This episode is brought to you by Fox and Sons Coffee – fresh, high-quality coffee shipped directly to your door, available as whole bean or ground. Get 15% off orders of $40 or more with promo code JOHN at checkout. Visit: FoxNSons.com SUPPORT LIONS OF LIBERTY: Help keep this podcast going! We rely on listener support to continue bringing you content on freedom, political reform, and personal empowerment. Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/lionsoflibertySupport us on Locals: https://lionsofliberty.locals.com/ Subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen – it makes a huge difference! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A fertility doctor secretly fathered dozens of children using his own sperm—and in most states, that still isn't clearly a crime. Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins Finding Freedom to discuss South Dakota's groundbreaking fertility fraud law and the massive ethical questions it raises about reproductive technology, biological identity, and children's rights. This conversation exposes the unregulated fertility industry, the troubling rise of genetic selection, and how policies designed to serve adults are sacrificing the wellbeing of children. From anonymous sperm donation to designer babies, Josh breaks down why biological parentage matters more than we've been willing to admit. We explore the legal battles, the psychological toll on donor-conceived children, and the dystopian future that awaits if we don't protect the fundamental right of children to know and be raised by their biological parents. This is an eye-opening conversation that transcends politics and gets to the heart of what it means to be human. CHAPTERS 0:00 Introduction: The Fertility Fraud Crisis 0:47 Meet Josh Wood & Them Before Us 3:54 The Dr. Donald Cline Case: 90+ Secret Children 6:53 South Dakota's New Fertility Fraud Law 20:46 Legal Precedents & Children Suing for Their Identity 25:05 Policy Solutions: What Needs to Change 25:20 Regulating the IVF Industry & Frozen Embryo Crisis 33:21 The Money Behind Designer Babies & Eugenics 34:11 The Dystopian Future: Artificial Wombs & Child Commodification 40:04 Closing Thoughts & How to Support Them Before Us LINKS: Learn more about Them Before Us: Website: ThemBeforeUs.com Substack: ThemBeforeUs.substack.com Social Media: @ThemBeforeUs SPONSOR: This episode is brought to you by Fox and Sons Coffee – fresh, high-quality coffee shipped directly to your door, available as whole bean or ground. Get 15% off orders of $40 or more with promo code JOHN at checkout. Visit: FoxNSons.com SUPPORT LIONS OF LIBERTY: Help keep this podcast going! We rely on listener support to continue bringing you content on freedom, political reform, and personal empowerment. Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/lionsoflibertySupport us on Locals: https://lionsofliberty.locals.com/ Subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen – it makes a huge difference! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A fertility doctor secretly fathered dozens of children using his own sperm—and in most states, that still isn't clearly a crime. Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us, joins Finding Freedom to discuss South Dakota's groundbreaking fertility fraud law and the massive ethical questions it raises about reproductive technology, biological identity, and children's rights. This conversation exposes the unregulated fertility industry, the troubling rise of genetic selection, and how policies designed to serve adults are sacrificing the wellbeing of children. From anonymous sperm donation to designer babies, Josh breaks down why biological parentage matters more than we've been willing to admit. We explore the legal battles, the psychological toll on donor-conceived children, and the dystopian future that awaits if we don't protect the fundamental right of children to know and be raised by their biological parents. This is an eye-opening conversation that transcends politics and gets to the heart of what it means to be human. CHAPTERS 0:00 Introduction: The Fertility Fraud Crisis 0:47 Meet Josh Wood & Them Before Us 3:54 The Dr. Donald Cline Case: 90+ Secret Children 6:53 South Dakota's New Fertility Fraud Law 20:46 Legal Precedents & Children Suing for Their Identity 25:05 Policy Solutions: What Needs to Change 25:20 Regulating the IVF Industry & Frozen Embryo Crisis 33:21 The Money Behind Designer Babies & Eugenics 34:11 The Dystopian Future: Artificial Wombs & Child Commodification 40:04 Closing Thoughts & How to Support Them Before Us LINKS: Learn more about Them Before Us: Website: ThemBeforeUs.com Substack: ThemBeforeUs.substack.com Social Media: @ThemBeforeUs SPONSOR: This episode is brought to you by Fox and Sons Coffee – fresh, high-quality coffee shipped directly to your door, available as whole bean or ground. Get 15% off orders of $40 or more with promo code JOHN at checkout. Visit: FoxNSons.com SUPPORT LIONS OF LIBERTY: Help keep this podcast going! We rely on listener support to continue bringing you content on freedom, political reform, and personal empowerment. Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/lionsoflibertySupport us on Locals: https://lionsofliberty.locals.com/ Subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen – it makes a huge difference! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/heartland-newsfeed-radio-network--2904397/support.
New revelations are exposing serious concerns about America's largely unregulated surrogacy industry and raising urgent questions about children's rights, national security, and the commodification of life. In this episode, Katy Faust of Them Before Us breaks down the shocking cases, the legal loopholes behind them, and why she says the U.S. has become the world's “fertility destination.” Get the facts first with Morning Wire.- - -Ep. 2694- - -Wake up with new Morning Wire merch: https://bit.ly/4lIubt3- - -Today's Sponsors: ADF - Visit https://JoinADF.com/WIRE or text 'WIRE' to 83848 to learn more. Equip - Equip Foods; Equip's Prime Bar is a real food protein bar with nothing to hide: just 11 ingredients and 20g of clean protein - made from ingredients you can pronounce like collagen, beef tallow, colostrum, cocoa butter - and sweetened naturally with just date and honey. Bringing good, clean habits into 2026 is made simple with Equip. Morning Wire listeners will get 25% off one-time purchases, or 40% off first subscription orders for a limited time by heading to https://equipfoods.com/wire and using code WIRE at checkout.- - -Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacymorning wire,morning wire podcast,the morning wire podcast,Georgia Howe,John Bickley,daily wire podcast,podcast,news podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What happens when the definition of marriage changes?In this conversation, Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, explains how cultural, legal, and technological shifts reshaped marriage and family law — and why she believes those changes have had profound consequences for children.Faust argues that when marriage was redefined primarily around adult desires and fulfillment, the structure that once connected children to their mother and father was fundamentally altered. She explains how developments like no-fault divorce, reproductive technologies, and the legal redefinition of marriage have changed the way society understands parenthood and family.The central question she raises is simple but controversial:What happens to children when marriage stops being organized around their needs?This discussion explores the history of these changes, the legal implications, and the broader cultural debate about marriage, parenthood, and children's rights.Watch the full conversation to hear Katy Faust's perspective on one of the most debated issues in modern family policy.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction00:42 Why Katy Faust Started Them Before Us02:05 The Cultural Shift Around Marriage04:00 The First Redefinition of Marriage: No-Fault Divorce06:30 The Role of Technology in Reshaping Parenthood08:45 How Children Became Secondary in Family Law10:50 Why Biology Matters in Parenting14:05 Adoption vs Reproductive Technologies17:45 What Obergefell Changed About Parenthood Law20:20 Are Children Becoming a Commodity?23:15 The Greater Than Campaign Explained26:10 How Christians Should Respond to Cultural Change30:30 Truth, Compassion, and Difficult ConversationsRESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODEThem Before Ushttps://thembeforeus.com/Greater Than Campaignhttps://greaterthancampaign.com/Katy Faust Websitehttps://katyfaust.com/Book: Them Before Us — Why We Need a Global Children's Rights Movementhttps://katyfaust.com/books/Book: Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke Cityhttps://katyfaust.com/books/Join us weekly as we strive help people embrace God's standard for sexuality! Other ways to listen:https://linktr.ee/calibrateconversations#children#marriage#family
Big news out of South Dakota, fertility fraud is now a felony! Learn more about how Them Before Us played a part in inspiring this legislation, sponsored by SD Representative Terri Jorgenson, and what it means for children's rights. See more from Rep. Jorgenson at her substack here:https://sdcapitoldiary.substack.com/Terri is a proud South Dakotan with a deep-rooted connection to her community. With a strong background in military operations and public affairs, she is committed to fighting for conservative values and protecting liberties in District 29. Terri's experience as a State Committeewoman and active role in the Republican party demonstrate her dedication to serving the people of South Dakota. ---------------------In the next part of this episode, Jenn interviews Caitlyn Scott of the instagram/youtube account @WhiteSquirrelMagic on why Christians and Conservatives need to retake the arts with truth, beauty, and HUMOR to share the truth.
In this episode of More to the Story, I sit down with Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, to talk about her powerful new “Greater Than” campaign—an initiative calling all of us to place the needs, rights, and well‑being of children above the desires of adults. Katy unpacks why children are greater than politics, trends, or adult preferences, and why a flourishing society begins with honoring the innate child's right to their mother and father whenever possible.We explore the theological, cultural, and practical implications of child‑first ethics, discuss how Christians can respond with both clarity and compassion, and consider how churches, parents, and leaders can champion the next generation. This conversation is both challenging and deeply hopeful.Tune in for a thoughtful discussion that reframes how we think about family, love, and responsibility.Youtube - https://youtu.be/RcxWChdlyoUAudio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcastApple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4Learn more about the Greater Than Campaign - https://greaterthancampaign.com/If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses, Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude andHeaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit andymilleriii.com/coursesAnd don't forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon! Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching. Today's episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.eduIf this episode resonated with you, share it with a friend and leave a review! For more from Andy Miller III, visit andymilleriii.com or follow @andymilleriii on X.Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net
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Katy Faust – Founder and President of Them Before Us Episode Guide Fighting for a child’s right to a mom and a dad – putting children’s needs above adult desires (00:17) How children’s needs will be brought back by overturning Obergefell v. Hodges (19:42) Planned Parenthood’s brilliant new business model based on botox, new funding sources, and marketing abortion to a new generation (32:32) Meat-free Fridays of Lent (45:20) Resources mentioned: Katy Faust explains the connection between gay marriage and harm to children. https://relevantradio.com/2026/01/the-business-of-child-exploitation/ Katy Faust – Them Before Us https://thembeforeus.com/ The Greater Than Campaign https://greaterthancampaign.com/ Mass creation of children who were abused https://thefederalist.com/2025/08/13/chinese-immigrants-create-21-surrogate-children-before-allegedly-abusing-them/ Known predator commissioned baby https://x.com/Katy_Faust/status/1950045587229016446?s=46 An elderly man has twin boys vis surrogacy https://sfstandard.com/2025/08/06/san-francisco-kids-alleged-cage/ Big Fertility Is the Billionaire’s Modern-day Harem https://thefederalist.com/2026/01/06/big-fertility-is-just-modern-day-harems-for-billionaires/
Friend of Them Before Us, Katy Talento is a Harvard-trained epidemiologist, naturopathic doctor, and former Trump White House health policy advisor who spent two decades inside the DC healthcare machine — then left to help everyday people and employers outsmart it. She writes about health policy, natural medicine, and how to live like a human — from real food and hormonal health to how to cut your medical bills in half using rules she personally helped write. All of it's at KatyTalento.com.For some of her recent articles, check out:Infertile, her guest post for our TBU substack - https://thembeforeus.substack.com/p/infertileOutsmart the Medical Billing Trap — a free step-by-step playbook for patients to fight back against medical bills, using rules she personally helped write in the White House https://www.katytalento.com/p/outsmart-the-medical-billing-trap?r=158d0wHospitals are Soviet-style Hellscapes Unfit for Humans - A Patient, Caregiver and Policy Manifestohttps://www.katytalento.com/p/hospitals-are-soviet-style-hellscapesSee more from Katy at @katytalento for IG, X, LinkedIn and https://www.facebook.com/katytalento.nd/
What are we teaching our children about America, and what are we neglecting?Jenn is joined by Katie Broussard, founder of The Littlest Statesmen and author of The Great George Washington, the first book in a seven-part series that introduces young children to the lives and characters of America's Founders. A simple question from her three-year-old daughter about the Fourth of July led Katie to recognize how few resources exist to teach young children about the nation's history, ideals, and sacrifices. That realization became a calling.In this conversation, Katie explains why the early years matter in shaping a child's understanding of country, responsibility, and gratitude. She shares why stories of figures like George Washington and Betsy Ross belong alongside the fairy tales children already know. The discussion also examines why expressing appreciation for America's founding principles has become divisive and what that shift means for families.Find more from her at https://www.thelittleststatesmen.comMake sure you're following Them Before Us across all of our social media platforms, subscribe on thembeforeus.substack.com and consider joining our TBU Ambassador program!
Katy Faust sees a not-so-hidden thread that connects divorce, gay marriage, IVF, surrogacy, child trafficking, and more: the historically-recent pivot of putting adult desires before children's needs and well-being. Today, we're discussing the history and data behind this disturbing trend and how we can fight back for the most vulnerable.Them Before Us: https://thembeforeus.com/ NEW: Check out our Merch store! https://shop.lilaroseshow.com/Join our new Patreon community! https://patreon.com/lilaroseshow - We'll have BTS footage, ad-free episodes, and early access to our upcoming guests.A big thanks to our partner, EWTN, the world's leading Catholic network! Discover news, entertainment and more at https://www.ewtn.com/ Check out our Sponsors: -Cozy Earth: Better Sleep, Brighter Days - Get the highest quality sleep essentials for 20% OFF at https://cozyearth.com/lila!-Seven Weeks Coffee: https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com Buy your pro-life coffee and Save up to 25% with promo code 'LILA' & get a free gift: http://www.sevenweekscoffee.com-EveryLife: https://www.everylife.com Buy diapers from an amazing pro-life diaper company and use code LILA to get 10% off!-Presidio Healthcare: Healthcare and doctors who share your values. If you're in TEXAS visit: https://www.presidiocare.com/ If you're NOT in Texas, visit: https://www.prolifeproviders.com/00:00:00 - Intro00:02:58 - Katy's background00:08:03 - Katy's “two moms”00:21:26 - The harms of lacking a mother/father00:35:49 - Disturbing LA mansion news00:46:33 - What is Surrogacy?00:55:16 - Do you need a mom and dad?01:06:45 - Any large studies on same-sex households?01:15:05 - Another study01:17:24 - No Fault Divorce01:30:07 - Ab*se data 01:34:22 - Obergefell and Same Sex Marriage 01:45:51 - Epstein
In this insightful interview on "Driving Home the Faith," Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, founder of the Ruth Institute, addresses the significant consequences of the Supreme Court's Obergefell decision on marriage and family dynamics. Dr. Morse elaborates on our active role in a new coalition, led by Them Before Us, dedicated to championing children's rights and restoring traditional marriage values. Listen in as we discuss our mission to build a civilization of love, ensuring that children's needs are prioritized in today's evolving society.
Join us on #TexasValuesReport with special guest Katy Faust, Founder of Them Before Us, & host Jonathan Saenz, President & Attorney for Texas Values, as they discuss the campaign Greater Than, a campaign with the goal of ultimately overturning Obergefell; the 2015 redefinition of marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges, which effectively made mothers and fathers optional in law and culture. Read our press release Texas Values Joins Huge Nationwide Coalition to Overturn Obergefell Launching Today (1/28/2026) https://txvalues.org/texas-values-joins-huge-nationwide-coalition-to-overturn-obergefell-launching-today/ Learn more about the Greater Than Campaign https://greaterthancampaign.com/ Learn more about Them Before Us http://thembeforeus.com/ Get your free Texas voter's guide https://freevotersguide.com/ Help us build our channel so we can maintain a culture of Faith, Family, & Freedom in Texas by interacting with us; like, comment, share, subscribe! For more about Texas Values see: Txvalues.org To support our work, go to donate.txvalues.org/GivetoTexasValues
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Katy Faust – Founder and President of Them Before Us and scholar Michael J. New, of the Charlotte Lozier Institute join Trending with Timmerie. Episode Guide Big fertility is the billionaire’s modern-day harem (0:48) Is it possible that the Chinese are using kids as organ donors and harvesting? (21:52) Custody battle over one parent transitioning a child – Elon Musk seeks full custody (26:08) Congressional Republicans need to strengthen, not weaken, Hyde protections (38:34) Resources mentioned: Big Fertility Is the Billionaire’s Modern-day Harem https://thefederalist.com/2026/01/06/big-fertility-is-just-modern-day-harems-for-billionaires/ Katy Faust – Them Before Us https://thembeforeus.com/ Elon Musk Custody Battle Contact your Representative asking them to strengthen Hyde Amendment protections so your tax dollars do not pay for abortion https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative Pro-Life Research by Michael J, New https://lozierinstitute.org/team-member/michael-j-new/
This week on Family Policy Matters, NC Family Vice President Mitch Prosser welcomes Katy Faust, Founder and President of Them Before Us, to discuss the Greater Than initiative and the effort to overturn Obergefell and protect children's rights to both their biological mother and father. Learn more: https://greaterthancampaign.com
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"Greater Than is a coalition of pastors, parents, influencers, policy makers, theologians, lawyers, students, and normie Americans who are all speaking with one voice. What are we saying? "Don't touch the kids." Marriage does not exist as a tool for adult validation. It is God's Plan A for child protection, and we intend to retake it on their behalf. "Katie Faust Founder of Them Before Us and the Greater Than CampaignSupport the show
Episode Summary: Almost every cultural and political battle we face eventually lands on the shoulders of children. Modern culture talks endlessly about rights but often overlooks the rights of children. If children truly have rights, then marriage cannot mean whatever adults want it to mean. In this episode, Katy Faust argues that when marriage is redefined, parenthood is rewritten, and children are the ones who lose. She shows why defending God's design for marriage and family isn't merely a religious conviction, but a natural law argument with profound implications for society as a whole.We explore a child-centered framework for marriage, IVF, surrogacy, and sexual ethics grounded in general revelation, social science, and the biblical vision of human flourishing. The Obergefell case legalized same-sex marriage in the U.S. and had profound ripple effects on identity, parenthood, and a growing commodification of children. As a culture, we are becoming more aware about how redefinitions of marriage have harmed children. Do you feel at a loss for how to meaningfully think about this and talk about it? Join the movement to grow in clarity, courage, and meaningfully protect the voiceless in the coming generation.–How well do you understand the implications of gay marriage and its impact on children? Quiz: https://greaterthancampaign.com/Who is Disciple Nations Alliance (DNA)? Since 1997, DNA's mission has been to equip followers of Jesus around the globe with a biblical worldview, empowering them to build flourishing families, communities, and nations.
In this episode of Facing the Dark, Wayne Stender and Dr. Kathy Koch unpack why Celebrate Kids has joined the "Greater Than Campaign," a broad coalition led by organizations like Them Before Us, Focus on the Family, and the Colson Center, all centered on one conviction: children's needs come before adult desires. Rather than framing the conversation as political or reactionary, Wayne and Dr. Kathy explain why this issue is fundamentally about children's wellbeing, identity, and long-term flourishing. Drawing from Scripture, research, and lived experience, they clarify that supporting children does not require hostility toward others, but it does require moral clarity and courage. The episode addresses one of the hardest tensions parents and Christians face today: how to affirm the dignity of every person while still advocating for what Scripture and evidence consistently show is best for kids, being raised, whenever possible, by a committed mother and father. Dr. Kathy emphasizes that this is not about attacking anyone's identity, but about being for children in a culture that increasingly asks them to absorb adult choices and consequences. Wayne and Dr. Kathy also speak honestly about the cost of silence. When Christians withdraw from difficult conversations, children are left without advocates. Drawing on Jesus' words in Matthew 19, the episode reframes this moment as one in which believers are called not to win arguments, but to steward the vulnerable, placing kids where Jesus placed them: at the center. This conversation offers parents the language, confidence, and steadiness to navigate these discussions with neighbors, friends, and even their own children. It reminds listeners that hard teachings are still loving teachings, and that standing for kids, even when misunderstood, is one of the clearest ways to reflect Christ in a confusing world. Listeners are encouraged to explore the Greater Than campaign through the show notes and prayerfully consider how they might support efforts that put children first.
On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Katy Faust, founder and president of children's rights organization Them Before Us, joins Federalist Senior Elections Correspondent Matt Kittle to discuss the devastating consequences the Supreme Court's Obergefell decision had on children and deliberate on the best way to recenter marriage and family to prioritize kids' rights. Read more from Faust here: https://thefederalist.com/2026/01/29/obergefell-has-harmed-children-for-far-too-long/Learn more about the Greater Than campaign here: https://greaterthancampaign.com/about-us/Learn more about Them Before Us here: https://thembeforeus.com/whoweare/The Federalist Foundation is a nonprofit, and we depend entirely on our listeners and readers — not corporations. If you value fearless, independent journalism, please consider a tax-deductible gift today at TheFederalist.com/donate. Your support keeps us going.
On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Katy Faust, founder and president of children's rights organization Them Before Us, joins Federalist Senior Elections Correspondent Matt Kittle to discuss the devastating consequences the Supreme Court's Obergefell decision had on children and deliberate on the best way to recenter marriage and family to prioritize kids' rights. Read more […]
First up: Luke has a pretty gnarly cold and feels pitiful. But he really enjoyed the sermon at church today, and he wants to recommend it to EVERYONE... Later: Katy Faust is a pro-life activist and founder of "Them Before Us" ministries. But there was a time when she was blogging anonymously... until she was doxxed! Email the Comedian's family at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com .
First up: Luke has a pretty gnarly cold and feels pitiful. But he really enjoyed the sermon at church today, and he wants to recommend it to EVERYONE... Later: Katy Faust is a pro-life activist and founder of "Them Before Us" ministries. But there was a time when she was blogging anonymously... until she was doxxed! Email the Comedian's family at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com .
First up: Luke has a pretty gnarly cold and feels pitiful. But he really enjoyed the sermon at church today, and he wants to recommend it to EVERYONE... Later: Katy Faust is a pro-life activist and founder of "Them Before Us" ministries. But there was a time when she was blogging anonymously... until she was doxxed! Email the Comedian's family at nextdoor@johnbranyan.com .
On this episode of The Kylee Cast, Katy Faust, a children's rights advocate, author, and founder of Them Before Us, joins Federalist Managing Editor Kylee Griswold to discuss the many ways children are being forced to sacrifice their rights and needs for adults' desires. Katy and Kylee talk IVF and surrogacy, abortion and adoption, gay marriage and divorce, the mandate for Christians, and so much more. Don't miss this explosive interview!The Federalist Foundation is a nonprofit, and we depend entirely on our listeners and readers — not corporations. If you value fearless, independent journalism, please consider a tax-deductible gift today at TheFederalist.com/donate. Your support keeps us going.
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Katy Faust – Founder and President of Them Before Us and scholar Michael J. New, of the Charlotte Lozier Institute join Trending with Timmerie. Episode Guide Big fertility is the billionaire’s modern-day harem (0:48) Is it possible that the Chinese are using kids as organ donors and harvesting? (21:52) Custody battle over one parent transitioning a child – Elon Musk seeks full custody (26:08) Congressional Republicans need to strengthen, not weaken, Hyde protections (38:34) Resources mentioned: Big Fertility Is the Billionaire’s Modern-day Harem https://thefederalist.com/2026/01/06/big-fertility-is-just-modern-day-harems-for-billionaires/ Katy Faust – Them Before Us https://thembeforeus.com/ Elon Musk Custody Battle Contact your Representative asking them to strengthen Hyde Amendment protections so your tax dollars do not pay for abortion https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative Pro-Life Research by Michael J, New https://lozierinstitute.org/team-member/michael-j-new/
On today's program, we feature Katy Faust, Founder of Them Before Us, from the 2025 Pray Vote Stand Summit.
Pastor Jack sits down with Katy Faust for a high-speed conversation revolving around the rights of children as they pertain to gay marriage, surrogacy, and much more. Join us for this fast-paced and challenging episode. Katy Faust is Founder and President of Them Before Us, a global movement defending children’s right to their mother and father. She publishes, speaks, and testifies widely on why marriage and family are matters of justice for children. (00:00) Impactful Interview With Katy Faust(07:24) Advocating for Traditional Marriage and Children(14:30) Advocating for Traditional Family Values(23:28) Meeting Jack HibbsCONNECT WITH KATY FAUST:Website: https://thembeforeus.com/ Twitter/X: https://x.com/advo_katy CONNECT WITH PASTOR JACK:Get Updates via Text: https://text.whisp.io/jack-hibbs-podcast Website: https://jackhibbs.com/Instagram: http://bit.ly/2FCyXpOFacebook: https://bit.ly/2WZBWV0 YouTube: https://bit.ly/437xMHnTwitter/X: https://x.com/RealJackHibbs CALLED TO TAKE A BOLD STAND:https://boldstand.org/DAZE OF DECEPTION:https://jackhibbs.com/daze-of-deception/ Did you know we have a Real Life Network? Sign up for free today for more exclusive content:https://www.reallifenetwork.com/
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