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Emotion of longing for a person, object or outcome

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Elsa Morgan - The Queenie Effect
Unlocking Your 7-Figure Brand - How To Identify Your Ideal Client

Elsa Morgan - The Queenie Effect

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2025 9:05


How To Identify Your Ideal Client (7-Figure Secret)Struggling to attract the right customers? In this video, I'm revealing the exact 4-step framework for identifying your ideal client avatar so you can create marketing that converts with ease. Stop posting content into the void and start connecting with high-value clients who are ready to buy.We're covering:✅ The 4 key elements of a high-converting client avatar (Demographics, Pain Points, Desires, Buying Psychology)✅ How to create "problem-aware" posts that speak directly to your dream client.✅ Why your messaging is failing if you're not specific enough (and how to fix it).✅ How to position yourself as the obvious choice and overcome buyer distrust.Ready to stop guessing and start scaling? This is your roadmap to magnetic marketing for a 6 or 7 figure brand.Get my FREE 6-Figure Blueprint:https://www.empoweryouacademy.com/six-figure-blueprintNeed exclusive mentorship and access a proven six-figure mentor?Book a call: https://workwithelsa.com

The Way Out Is In
Silence (Episode #94)

The Way Out Is In

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2025 87:56


Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh's deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino explore the importance of silence and its role in personal transformation and spiritual practice.  They further discuss noble silence in the Plum Village tradition – a fundamental practice that allows for deep reflection, self-awareness, and connection with the present moment; silence as a space that enables practitioners to listen deeply; the challenges of silence; the contrast between the mainstream emphasis on productivity, noise, and external validation, and the Buddhist approach of valuing stillness, presence, and inner listening as a path to true well-being and happiness; silence as a means to engage more deeply with life, rather than as an escape; embodied listening; and more. The episode concludes with an invitation to take time for silent reflection and to explore the transformative power of silence in our lives. Enjoy! Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resourcesInterbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing Being with Busyness: Zen Ways to Transform Overwhelm and Burnouthttps://www.parallax.org/product/being-with-busyness/ Calm in the Storm: Zen Ways to Cultivate Stability in an Anxious Worldhttps://www.parallax.org/product/calm-in-the-storm/ Buddha Path https://buddhapath.com ‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village'https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village Brother Spirithttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh Brother Phap Unghttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-chan-phap-ung ‘Three Resources Explaining the Plum Village Tradition of Lazy Days'https://plumvillage.app/three-resources-explaining-the-plum-village-tradition-of-lazy-days/ Tao Te Ching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching Bimbisarahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimbisara Devadattahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadatta Quotes “When we learn to allow ourselves to be in silence, the silence becomes delicious because it gives us an immense feeling of spaciousness. But silence is also very scary if we are not trained in it – scary because we get to see our restlessness.” “The silence that we are learning to cultivate is the stillness that we all need.” “When we engage with the world, we don’t know how to be silent. That is not engaged Buddhism. That is not applied Buddhism. So the middle way is very important. Silence is not to suppress or to bypass what is going on; in our practice, there’s a space and time for everything.” “Silence allows us spaces of deep reflection. Silence is also to hear ourselves.” “Noble silence is the silence of being present.” “There’s a lot to learn in silence, and a lot to discover, as well as to celebrate.” “The silence of listening is an art form and a practice of embodied listening. And that means that we’re not just listening with our minds, but that we need to learn to listen with our whole body.” “We’re not here trying to gain more to enhance our ‘label'; actually, Zen is about seeing our label and letting it go, in order to see our wholeness. Because our wholeness is not limited to ‘I am a monk', ‘I am a journalist', ‘I am a coach', ‘I am a business leader', ‘I am my technician'. We’re so much more than this.” “Learn to let go. That’s the hardest practice.” “A lotus to you, a Buddha to be.” “Don’t just do something, sit there.” “There’s nothing to learn, but there is a lot to unlearn. Because, actually, when we strip away all the fears, judgments, and sufferings, home is already there. It’s already present, it’s never gone away; we just traveled a long way from it.” “So much of life is about feeling safe, and about knowing that we’re not on our own and that we are going to be supported.” “Colors blind the eye. Sounds deafen the ears. Flavors numb the taste. Thoughts weaken the mind. Desires wither the heart. The Master observes the world, but trusts his inner vision. He allows things to come and go. His heart is as open as the sky” – from the Tao Te Ching, credited to Lao Tzu. “There is no way to happiness; happiness is the way.”

Jonathan Shuttlesworth
For Anyone Who Desires To Be A Leader at Revival Today

Jonathan Shuttlesworth

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2025 115:40


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Ask Dr. E
If God is Sovereign and Desires That All Be Saved, Why Does He Not Do So?

Ask Dr. E

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2025 14:54


Q: I have been taught the holiness, grace, and righteous wrath of the Lord my whole life. However I've begun to struggle deeply with the nature of God and His love. If God is sovereign and desires that all be saved, why does He not do so? Wouldn't that be the natural expression of His love? That not happening feels like a betrayal of what I've known His character to be. I know He can do whatever He desires, but I don't understand why He doesn't redeem all. Summary In this episode, Dr. E and Hanna tackle a challenging theological question: If God is sovereign and loving, why doesn't He save everyone? At the heart of this question lies the tension between God's perfect nature and humanity's sinful condition. Scripture affirms that God desires none to perish (2 Peter 3:9), yet salvation requires faith in Christ. Universalism—the belief that everyone will ultimately be saved—fails to account for God's holiness and justice. If God simply overlooked sin, He would no longer be just. Dr. E explains that our human perspective of fairness is shaped by sin, while God's nature is defined by His Word—He is all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, loving, and just. Through Christ's sacrifice, God offers the one and only remedy for sin. Just as one cure is effective for a disease while others fall short, only Christ's saving work secures eternal life. Hanna reflects that many underestimate the seriousness of sin, which diminishes how good the gospel truly is. When we recognize the depth of our sinful condition, we see God's love and mercy more clearly. Salvation is not earned but received by faith in Christ alone, who lived, died, and rose again. Takeaways God desires none to perish, but salvation requires faith in Christ. Universalism overlooks God's holiness and justice. Our sense of fairness is distorted by sin. Scripture, not feelings, defines God's character. Christ's death and resurrection provide the only true cure for sin. Recognizing our sin magnifies the beauty of God's love. Find more episodes of Ask Dr. E here. If you've got a question for Dr. Easley, call or text us your question at 615-281-9694 or email at question@michaelincontext.com.

The REALIFE Process®
Ep. 354: What's on Your Back Burner? Re-Lighting Dormant Desires

The REALIFE Process®

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2025 30:10


Hey friends—Teresa & Erica welcome our friend Albert  Pellissier , author of What's On Your Back Burner? Using Dormant Desire to Relight Your Fire. If you've ever carried a project, goal, or calling for years (maybe decades!) and it just won't leave you alone, this one's for you.Albert shares a simple but powerful process to surface what's really been holding you back (spoiler: it's usually not time or money), and how naming those deeper fears out loud begins to loosen their grip. We talk inner-child narratives, honest awareness, and the courage to take micro-actions that move your calling from the back burner to a gentle, sustainable simmer.Connect with Albert • Book resources & worksheets backburnerbook.com • Book: What's On Your Back Burner is available on Amazon.FREE RESOURCES:Take the FREE Intro to Needs & Values AssessmentReady to discover what uniquely matters to YOU? CLICK HERE to take our FREE Intro to the Needs & Values Assessment.FREE Download: 4 Steps to Simplify Your CalendarReady to uncover more time on your calendar? This FREE download will help you remove what doesn't matter, so you have space for what does. Click here to get this FREE resource!OTHER RESOURCES:Join the REALIFE Practice Membership!The REALIFE Practice Membership is designed for those who want to grow spiritually, but feel like REALIFE is getting in the way. We'll learn how to integrate meaningful spiritual practices and tools into our daily lives through live group calls, group coaching, training videos, downloadable resources, and an interactive community. Visit www.therealifeprocess.com/membership to join us today!Check out our YouTube Channel!Prefer to watch AND listen? Check out our YouTube channel for the podcast episode on video! Make sure to subscribe so you get all the latest updates.My Book LinkMy new book, Do What Matters, is available NOW! Banish busyness and discover a new way of being productive around what truly matters. Learn more at DoWhatMattersBook.com.LifeMapping ToolsWould you life to discover  Life Mapping tools to help you recognize and respond to God in your Story. Check out these tools here https://www.onelifemaps.com/JOIN OUR COMMUNITY & CONNECT WITH ME:Become part of the FREE REALIFE Process® Community! Connect with Teresa and other podcast listeners, plus find additional content to help you discover your best REALIFE.Connect with your host, Teresa McCloy, on:Facebook - The REALIFE Process® with Teresa McCloyInstagram - teresa.mccloyLinkedIn - teresamccloyAbout Teresa McCloy:Teresa McCloy is the founder and creator of the REALIFE Process®, a framework designed to empower individuals and groups with the tools, training, and community needed for personal and professional growth. Through the REALIFE Process®, Teresa is on a mission to help others grow in self-awareness, establish sustainable rhythms, and enhance their influence and impact by integrating faith and work into their everyday lives. She lives with her husband of 42 years on their 5th generation family farm in central Illinois and enjoys great coffee, growing beautiful flower gardens and traveling as much as possible. About Erica Vinson:Erica Vinson helps clients walk through defining moments with confidence and courage enabling them to move forward in freedom and embrace fearless living. As an ACC Credentialed and Certified Professional Life & Leadership Coach, she uses wisdom from all 3 Centers of Intelligence to help clients gain deeper self-awareness and grow in relationships with others both personally and professionally. Erica is a certified REALIFE Process® Master Coach, an ©iEnneagram Motions of the Soul Practitioner, and has a certificate in Spiritual Transformation through the Transforming Center. She lives in the Metro East St. Louis area and enjoys spending quality time with friends and family, golfing, tennis, boating/water skiing, traveling, is a bit of a technology nerd and loves learning!

College Faith
#61: Redeeming Philosophy: How Christian Scholars Changed The Conversation

College Faith

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2025 72:25


In the mid-20th century, many in academia assumed that serious philosophy had little room for Christian belief. But in the past fifty-plus years, something remarkable has happened—a quiet revolution in the philosophy departments of leading universities. Christian philosophers have not only entered the conversation; they've shaped it, challenged prevailing assumptions, and earned a respected place in scholarly dialogue.  In this episode, we're joined by Dr. Greg Ganssle, author, philosopher, and Department Chair of Talbot School of Theology's Philosophy Department. We explore how the revival of Christian philosophy began, the thinkers who helped spark it, and what it means for students of faith navigating the intellectual climate of today's colleges in all academic departments. In this podcast we discuss: Why conversations about what is really real (including God) were off the table in the early 20th Century What happened in the 1960s to change this climate in our universities How these changes opened the door for Christian philosophy to re-enter the academic conversation The importance of intentionally uniting biblical truth and philosophical truth, and of forming community among Christian philosophers The methodology and strategy of Christian philosophers to renew their discipline for God's glory How Christian philosophers earned respect for their perspectives The state of apologetics (applied philosophy) today and in the future How students in other majors can apply what we learn from the renaissance of Christian thought in philosophy What insight from philosophy has been most helpful to him personally in his walk with Christ Resources mentioned during our conversation: The Society of Christian Philosophers (Journal: Faith and Philosophy) The Evangelical Philosophical Society (Journal: Philosophia Christi) Alvin Plantinga, God and Other Minds: A Study of the Rational Justification of Belief in God Rivendell Institute at Yale University Greg Ganssle, A Reasonable God: Engaging the New Face of Atheism Paul Gould, Cultural Apologetics: Renewing the Christian Voice, Conscience, and Imagination in a Disenchanted World Greg Ganssle, Our Deepest Desires: How the Christian Story Fulfills Human Aspirations Clifford Williams, Existential Reasons for Belief in God: A Defense of Desires and Emotions for Faith Wayne Grudem, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine College Faith podcasts on Community JP Moreland, The Recalcitrant Imago Dei: Human Persons and the Failure of Naturalism Stan Wallace, Have We Lost Our Minds? Neuroscience, Neurotheology, the Soul, and Human Flourishing Arthur Holmes, Contours of a World View Mark Noll, Jesus Christ and the Life of the Mind Closer To Truth (YouTube channel) - short interviews with Christian philosophers and others  Tom Morris, ed., God And The Philosophers: The Reconciliation of Faith and Reason Kelly James Clark, ed., Philosophers who Believe: The Spiritual Journeys of 11 Leading Thinkers  

Unf*ck Yourself
How I Use Intuition Mastery + Neuroscience to Reprogram The Emotions Blocking Your Desires (Plus How I Built This Skill)

Unf*ck Yourself

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2025 77:18


If you've just come across my community, you're probably wondering, “What the f does this girl even teach?”Energetic boob jobs, dark forces, emotional mastery, intuition training, neuroscience, how to unf*ck your life…the list goes on. It may seem random, but it's all connected + comes down to one thing: intuition.I've known I was intuitive since I was 5, and in this episode I dish the story on how I discovered it. I also dive into how my inner knowing helped me create my business, my marriage, my team, everything. I wasn't always this tapped in. I trained, tested, and mastered it. Now I blend that skill with neuroscience to reprogram the emotional patterns that keep you stuck and blocked from what you actually want.If you want to learn how to tap your own intuition, hack the system, and finally move forward with clarity + trust in yourself…this episode is a CAN'T MISS.RESOURCES MENTIONEDFREE Live Webinar on Oct 14https://www.alexandraninfo.com/free-webinarUnf*ck Yourself Membershiphttps://www.alexandraninfo.com/membershipYour $28 Foundational Programhttps://www.alexandraninfo.com/the-foundationThe Alexandra Ninfo Affiliate Programhttps://www.alexandraninfo.com/affiliateFOLLOW ME Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/alexandraninfo TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@alexandraninfo You Can Also Listen to Unf*ck Yourself Podcast HereSite - https://www.alexandraninfo.com/podcast Apple Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unf-ck-yourself/id1647393740 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4OfhtVIbV73xuSrZ2MnXKZ?si=f3fabaa47ca4482e YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@AlexandraNinfo

John Eldredge and Ransomed Heart (Audio)
E843 | What Is God Up To in Your Life? - Part 2

John Eldredge and Ransomed Heart (Audio)

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2025 51:20


Imagine having a spiritual GPS to help you navigate the bafflement and fog of your days. John and Blaine Eldredge provide such a tool in this second installment of the series—including six categories and an Emotions Wheel—to help draw you closer to God and provide clarity on his work in your life. Show Notes: The Emotions Wheel Blaine references is available here. The “6 Categories for Discerning God's Work in Your Life” are 1) the Facts of Life 2) Preoccupations of the Mind3) Feelings / Emotions4) Body / Physical Sensations5) Recurring or Dominating Questions6) Longings and Desires._______________________________________________There is more.Got a question you want answered on the podcast? Ask us at Questions@WildatHeart.orgSupport the mission or find more on our website: WildAtHeart.org  or on our app.Apple: Wild At Heart AppAndroid: Wild At Heart AppWatch on YouTubeThe stock music used in the Wild at Heart podcast is titled “When Laid to Rest” by Patrick Rundblad and available here.More pauses available in the One Minute Pause app for Apple iOS and Android.Apple: One Minute Pause AppAndroid: One Minute Pause App

The Millionaire Babe
Your Money Expands When You Do

The Millionaire Babe

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2025 23:11


In this episode, I share with you the #1 thing you need to expand your capacity to hold more money.Grab Overflow here for the presale price of $222. Presale ends Thursday.Overflow is for the high-level woman who:  Has already created success but still feels her money is tied to pressure, launches or strategy.  Wants money to feel safe, natural, and expansive instead of heavy or fleeting.  Desires overflow that feels inevitable  the kind that doesn't require her to chase, perform, or prove.  Knows she's meant to hold more , more wealth, more freedom, more ease,  but feels her body and beliefs can't quite keep up with her vision.Not able to convert inquiries into contracts? Grab my Inquiry to Booked Training & Template for $37. Stop getting ghosted & start getting paid:https://www.briannamichellecoaching.com/sp-d-inquiry-incubatorGet Brides Obsessed To Book Your Team in this 27 minute training for just $27:https://briannamichellecoaching.thrivecart.com/get-brides-obsessed/

Get Schooled Podcast
Zodiac Desires: Love, Lust, and the Cosmos

Get Schooled Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2025 82:13


This week, I brought back my astrologer, Cydny, for a powerful and provocative conversation. We explored the intimate connection between astrology, sex, and sex work—unpacking how different planets influence love, desire, kink, and pleasure. From cosmic chemistry to the stars behind attraction, we took a deep dive into all things erotic in astrology. ✨ Tune in for an unfiltered look at where passion meets the planets. This episode is brought to you by Olipop, a new healthy brand of soda. Go to https://drinkolipop.com/ and use code Marcela15 at checkout to get 15% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Shopify can help you take your business to the next level. Click HERE to set up your Shopify shop today and watch your business soar! This episode is brought to you by BranditScan, the best defese you have against social media fraud. Click HERE to get started with BranditScan today and get your first month for free. There is no better service to protect your social media accounts and your name and likeness. . This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Click HERE to start exploring all the courses Skillshare has to offer, from drawing and music, to graphic design and marketing, start expanding your knowledge today. This episode is brought to you by Fiverr. Click HERE to start hiring professionals to help you in various areas and take your business to the next level. This episode is brought to you by PodMatch. Click HERE to bring your podcasting journey to the next level by getting set up's Only Fans  VIP Membership HERE Free Membership HEREn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sex, Drugs, & Soul
What Can Our Fantasies Tell Us? | Justin Gottlieb on Tantra, Fantasies, & Desires

Sex, Drugs, & Soul

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2025 57:40 Transcription Available


"Where there's horniness, there's healing..." Justin Gottlieb, a sexual freedom coach and tantric facilitator, joins this week for a deep dive into fantasies, tantra, and sexual liberation. We explore...What tantra really is and how it applies to everyday lifeHow fantasies can unlock intimacy and emotional healingWhy fantasies are never random and what they reveal about our desires & healingThe difference between keeping fantasies in the mind vs. bringing them into realityHow to create safe containers for fantasy exploration in relationshipsWhy jealousy is an invitation instead of an enemyThe transformative power of vulnerability, communication, and curiosityWhether you're tantra-curious, exploring your edges, or simply love honest conversations about desire, this episode will leave you inspired, informed, and maybe a little turned on.

Kerrville Bible Church Sermons
God's Desires for Men and Women in the Church Assembly

Kerrville Bible Church Sermons

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2025 54:40


Send us a textBiblical Manhood and Womanhood1 Timothy 2:8-15Chris McKnight, Lead Pastor/ElderSeptember 28, 2025Message 19 in the series

Green and Growing with Ashley Frasca
Desires for specific plant traits 9/27/25 Hour 2

Green and Growing with Ashley Frasca

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2025 33:24


Questions about canna lily leaves, thornless roses, and Dr. Bethany Harris from UGA's Center for Urban Agriculture

Midtown Vineyard Church
The Genius of Jesus: Overcoming Desires That Destory

Midtown Vineyard Church

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2025 39:46


Sunday Gathering September 28, 2025Ryan Kenny (Matthew 5:21-32)Anger, lust, and broken relationships—these don't just ruin our lives, they trap us. Jesus cuts to the root, showing how real change happens not by suppressing desire, but by transforming the heart.

Real Raw with Dr.B
#2964 limiting sex desires while maried

Real Raw with Dr.B

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2025 2:16


FITSNews Week in Review
Chuck Wright Guilty Plea, RJ May Guilty Plea, Judge's Depraved Desires, SCEC Scandal WIR 9/27/25

FITSNews Week in Review

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2025 37:59


From His Heart Audio Podcast
The Giant of Evil Desires - Part 2 - 1 Chronicles 20:8

From His Heart Audio Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 26, 2025 25:00


We all have evil thoughts, but when they control your life, it can be a giant that seems impossible to defeat. The devil uses evil desires to tempt you away from your walk with God. Discover how through the power of the Holy Spirit in your life, you can defeat this unwanted giant. It's called, THE GIANT OF EVIL DESIRES and it's from the series, FACING THE GIANTS.

Casey Zander Health
HOW TO GET A GIRLFRIEND - If you're a man who is lonely and desires a companion, WATCH THIS NOW

Casey Zander Health

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 26, 2025 25:32


Learn, Understand and Master the LANGUAGE of WOMEN

From His Heart Audio Podcast
The Giant of Evil Desires - Part 1 - 1 Chronicles 20:8

From His Heart Audio Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2025 25:00


Do you have evil thoughts? Sure you do, but when they control your life, it can be a giant that seems impossible to defeat. The devil uses evil desires to tempt you away from your walk with God. But through the power of the Holy Spirit in your life, you can defeat this unwanted giant. In this message, Pastor Schreve reveals biblical answers to conquer the consuming GIANT OF EVIL DESIRES. This message is from the series, FACING THE GIANTS.

Known Legacy
Desires of your heart and the long road ahead

Known Legacy

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2025 44:06


Desires of your heart and long road ahead.   There are moments in life when you can feel like you might have made a mistake with the road you are on. Learning to discern Gods will doesn't have to be that difficult and Benji Cowart shares his journey of pursing his dream of being a songwriter. If you have ever struggled with a desire on your heart this is for you!   This interview shares insight about:   Pursing your dreams   What to do when it seems like theres no progress   How to seek wisdom in the unknown   Benji has cuts on albums all across the Christian music industry including but not limited to Natalie Grant, Maverick City Worship, Housefires, Meredith Andrews, and #1 singles with Big Daddy Weave and Danny Gokey. Aside from awards or any type of recognition, it is his main desire to write songs that bring encouragement and hope to people through song.     Check us out ! www.knownlegacy.org Chapters (00:00:00) - Known Legacy Podcast(00:01:23) - No Legacy(00:02:30) - Oct. 31, 1976(00:05:35) - What's Our Favorite Ice Cream?(00:07:05) - Benji on Lead for Benji(00:07:28) - What's Your Most Terrifying Experience?(00:09:21) - On The Importance of Empathy(00:10:55) - Benji on No Less Podcast(00:12:50) - Songwriter on Being Sent to Nashville(00:15:22) - The Song That Launched Big Daddy Weave's Career(00:17:51) - Bradley on His Long, Suffering Faithfulness(00:22:15) - What is Your Songwriting Process?(00:24:37) - Paul on Songwriters and Their Career(00:29:25) - No More Means: Philippians 4(00:32:07) - God's Plan for Your Life(00:32:57) - Air Supply(00:33:43) - What Was Your First Concert?(00:35:02) - Fast 5: Who Do You Most admire? Billy Graham(00:36:20) - Where Would You Like To Go On Vacation?(00:37:05) - What Are You Reading Right Now? The Bible(00:38:17) - Cross Train: Working in Country Music(00:41:03) - Benji Coward Mic Drop

The End of Tourism
Ritual Relationships: Matrimony, Hospitality and Strangerhood | Stephen Jenkinson (Orphan Wisdom)

The End of Tourism

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2025 109:17


On this episode, my guest is Stephen Jenkinson, culture activist and ceremonialist advocating a handmade life and eloquence. He is an author, a storyteller, a musician, sculptor and off-grid organic farmer. Stephen is the founder/ principal instructor of the Orphan Wisdom School in Canada, co-founded with his wife Nathalie Roy in 2010. Also a sought-after workshop leader, articulating matters of the heart, human suffering, confusions through ceremony.He is the author of several influential books, including Money and the Soul's Desires, Die Wise: A Manifesto for Sanity and Soul (2015), Come of Age: The Case for Elderhood in a Time of Trouble (2018), A Generation's Worth: Spirit Work While the Crisis Reigns (2021), and Reckoning (2022), co-written with Kimberly Ann Johnson. His most recent book, Matrimony: Ritual, Culture, and the Heart's Work, was released in August 2025. He is also involved in the musical project Nights of Grief & Mystery with singer-songwriter Gregory Hoskins, which has toured across North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.Show Notes:* The Bone House of the Orphan Wisdom Enterprise* Matrimony: Ritual, Culture and the Heart's Work* The Wedding Industry* Romantic Sameness and Psychic Withering* The Two Tribes* The Roots of Hospitality* The Pompous Ending of Hospitality* Debt, And the Estrangement of the Stranger* More Than Human Hospitality* The Alchemy of the Orphan Wisdom SchoolHomework:Matrimony: Ritual, Culture, and the Heart's Work | PurchaseOrphan WisdomThe Scriptorium: Echoes of an Orphan WisdomTranscription:Chris: This is an interview that I've been wondering about for a long time in part, because Stephen was the first person I ever interviewed for the End of Tourism Podcast. In Oaxaca, Mexico, where I live Stephen and Natalie were visiting and were incredibly, incredibly generous. Stephen, in offering his voice as a way to raise up my questions to a level that deserve to be contended with.We spoke for about two and a half hours, if I remember correctly. And there was a lot in what you spoke to towards the second half of the interview that I think we're the first kind of iterations of the Matrimony book.We spoke a little bit about the stranger and trade, and it was kind of startling as someone trying to offer their first interview and suddenly hearing something [00:01:00] that I'd never heard before from Stephen. Right. And so it was quite impressive. And I'm grateful to be here now with y'all and to get to wonder about this a little more deeply with you Stephen.Stephen: Mm-hmm. Hmm.Chris: This is also a special occasion for the fact that for the first time in the history of the podcast, we have a live audience among us today. Strange doings. Some scholars and some stewards and caretakers of the Orphan Wisdom enterprise. So, thank you all as well for coming tonight and being willing to listen and put your ears to this.And so to begin, Stephen, I'm wondering if you'd be willing to let those who will be listening to this recording later on know where we're gathered in tonight?Stephen: Well, we're in... what's the name of this township?Nathalie: North Algona.Stephen: North Algona township on the borders, an eastern gate [00:02:00] of Algonquin Park. Strangely named place, given the fact that they were the first casualties of the park being established. And we're in a place that never should have been cleared - my farm. It should never have been cleared of the talls, the white pines that were here, but the admiralty was in need back in the day. And that's what happened there. And we're in a place that the Irish immigrants who came here after the famine called "Tramore," which more or less means "good-frigging luck farming."It doesn't technically mean that, but it absolutely means that. It actually means "sandy shore," which about covers the joint, and it's the only thing that covers the joint - would be sand. You have to import clay. Now, that's a joke in many farming places in the world, but if we wanted any clay, we'd have to bring it in and pay for the privilege.And the farm has been in [00:03:00] my, my responsibility for about 25 years now, pretty close to that. And the sheep, or those of them left because the coyotes have been around for the first time in their casualty-making way... They're just out here, I'm facing the field where they're milling around.And it's the very, very beginnings of the long cooling into cold, into frigid, which is our lot in this northern part of the hemisphere, even though it's still August, but it's clear that things have changed. And then, we're on a top of a little hill, which was the first place that I think that we may have convened a School here.It was a tipi, which is really worked very well considering we didn't live here, so we could put it up and put it down in the same weekend. [00:04:00] And right on this very hill, we were, in the early days, and we've replaced that tipi with another kind of wooden structure. A lot more wood in this one.This has been known as "The Teaching Hall" or "The Great Hall," or "The Hall" or "The Money Pit, as it was known for a little while, but it actually worked out pretty well. And it was I mean, people who've come from Scandinavia are knocked out by the kind of old-style, old-world visitation that the place seems to be to them.And I'd never really been before I had the idea what this should look like, but I just went from a kind of ancestral memory that was knocking about, which is a little different than your preferences, you know. You have different kinds of preferences you pass through stylistically through your life, but the ones that lay claim to you are the ones that are not interested in your [00:05:00] preferences. They're interested in your kind of inheritance and your lineage.So I'm more or less from the northern climes of Northern Europe, and so the place looks that way and I was lucky enough to still have my carving tools from the old days. And I've carved most of the beams and most of the posts that keep the place upright with a sort of sequence of beasts and dragons and ne'er-do-wells and very, very few humans, I think two, maybe, in the whole joint. Something like that. And then, mostly what festoons a deeply running human life is depicted here. And there's all kinds of stories, which I've never really sat down and spoken to at great length with anybody, but they're here.And I do deeply favour the idea that one day [00:06:00] somebody will stumble into this field, and I suppose, upon the remains of where we sit right now, and wonder "What the hell got into somebody?" That they made this mountain of timber moldering away, and that for a while what must have been, and when they finally find the footprint of, you know, its original dimensions and sort of do the wild math and what must have been going on in this sandy field, a million miles in away from its home.And wherever I am at that time, I'll be wondering the same thing.Audience: Hmm.Stephen: "What went on there?" Even though I was here for almost all of it. So, this was the home of the Orphan Wisdom School for more than a decade and still is the home of the Orphan Wisdom School, even if it's in advance, or in retreat [00:07:00] or in its doldrums. We'll see.And many things besides, we've had weddings in here, which is wherein I discovered "old-order matrimony," as I've come to call it, was having its way with me in the same way that the design of the place did. And it's also a grainery for our storage of corn. Keep it up off the ground and out of the hands of the varmints, you know, for a while.Well that's the beginning.Chris: Hmm. Hmm. Thank you Stephen.Stephen: Mm-hmm.Chris: You were mentioning the tipi where the school began. I remember sleeping in there the first time I came here. Never would I have thought for a million years that I'd be sitting here with you.Stephen: It's wild, isn't it?Chris: 12 years later.?: Yeah.Chris: And so next, I'd like to do my best in part over the course of the next perhaps hour or two to congratulate you on the release of [00:08:00] your new book, Matrimony: Ritual, Culture, and the Heart's Work.Stephen: Thank you.Chris: Mm-hmm. I'm grateful to say like many others that I've received a copy and have lent my eyes to your good words, and what is really an incredible achievement.For those who haven't had a chance to lay their eyes on it just yet, I'm wondering if you could let us in on why you wrote a book about matrimony in our time and where it stands a week out from its publication.Stephen: Well, maybe the answer begins with the question, "why did you write a book, having done so before?" And you would imagine that the stuff that goes into writing a book, you'd think that the author has hopes for some kind of redemptive, redeeming outcome, some kind of superlative that drops out the back end of the enterprise.And you know, this is [00:09:00] the seventh I've written. And I would have to say that's not really how it goes, and you don't really know what becomes of what you've written, even with the kind people who do respond, and the odd non-monetary prize that comes your way, which Die Wise gamed that.But I suppose, I wrote, at all partly to see what was there. You know, I had done these weddings and I was a little bit loathe to let go, to let the weddings turn entirely into something historical, something that was past, even though I probably sensed pretty clearly that I was at the end of my willingness to subject myself to the slings and arrows that came along with the enterprise, but it's a sweet sorrow, or there's a [00:10:00] wonder that goes along with the tangle of it all. And so, I wrote to find out what happened, as strange as that might sound to you. You can say, "well, you were there, you kind of knew what happened." But yes, I was witness to the thing, but there's the act of writing a book gives you the opportunity to sort of wonder in three-dimensions and well, the other thing I should say is I was naive and figured that the outfit who had published the, more or less prior two books to this one, would kind of inevitably be drawn to the fact that same guy. Basically, same voice, new articulation. And I was dumbfounded to find out that they weren't. And so, it's sort of smarted, you know?And I think what I did was I just set the whole [00:11:00] enterprise aside, partly to contend with the the depths of the disappointment in that regard, and also not wanting to get into the terrible fray of having to parse or paraphrase the book in some kind of elevator pitch-style to see if anybody else wanted to look at it. You know, such as my touchy sense of nobility sometimes, you know, that I just rather not be involved in the snarl of the marketplace any longer.So, I withdrew and I just set it aside but it wasn't that content to be set, set aside. And you know, to the book's credit, it bothered me every once in a while. It wasn't a book at the point where I was actually trying to engineer it, you know, and, and give it some kind of structure. I had piles of paper on the floor representing the allegation of chapters, trying to figure out what the relationship was [00:12:00] between any of these things.What conceivably should come before what. What the names of any of these things might be. Did they have an identity? Was I just imposing it? And all of that stuff I was going through at the same time as I was contending with a kind of reversal in fortune, personally. And so in part, it was a bit of a life raft to give me something to work on that I wouldn't have to research or dig around in the backyard for it and give me some sort of self-administered occupation for a while.Finally, I think there's a parallel with the Die Wise book, in that when it came to Die Wise, I came up with what I came up with largely because, in their absolute darkest, most unpromising hours, an awful lot of dying people, all of whom are dead now, [00:13:00] let me in on some sort of breach in the, the house of their lives.And I did feel that I had some obligation to them long-term, and that part of that obligation turned into writing Die Wise and touring and talking about that stuff for years and years, and making a real fuss as if I'd met them all, as if what happened is really true. Not just factually accurate, but deeply, abidingly, mandatorily true.So, although it may be the situation doesn't sound as extreme, but the truth is, when a number of younger - than me - people came to me and asked me to do their weddings, I, over the kind of medium-term thereafter, felt a not dissimilar obligation that the events that ensued from all of that not [00:14:00] be entrusted entirely to those relatively few people who attended. You know, you can call them "an audience," although I hope I changed that. Or you could call them "witnesses," which I hope I made them that.And see to it that there could be, not the authorized or official version of what happened, but to the view from here, so to speak, which is, as I sit where I am in the hall right now, I can look at the spot where I conducted much of this when I wasn't sacheting up and down the middle aisle where the trestle tables now are.And I wanted to give a kind of concerted voice to that enterprise. And I say "concerted voice" to give you a feel for the fact that I don't think this is a really an artifact. It's not a record. It's a exhortation that employs the things that happened to suggest that even though it is the way it is [00:15:00] ritually, impoverished as it is in our time and place, it has been otherwise within recoverable time and history. It has.And if that's true, and it is, then it seems to me at least is true that it could be otherwise again. And so, I made a fuss and I made a case based on that conviction.There's probably other reasons I can't think of right now. Oh, being not 25 anymore, and not having that many more books in me, the kind of wear and tear on your psyche of imposing order on the ramble, which is your recollection, which has only so many visitations available in it. Right? You can only do that so many times, I think. And I'm not a born writing person, you know, I come to it maniacally when I [00:16:00] do, and then when it's done, I don't linger over it so much.So then, when it's time to talk about it, I actually have to have a look, because the act of writing it is not the act of reading it. The act of writing is a huge delivery and deliverance at the same time. It's a huge gestation. And you can't do that to yourself, you know, over and over again, but you can take some chances, and look the thing in the eye. So, and I think some people who are there, they're kind of well-intended amongst them, will recognize themselves in the details of the book, beyond "this is what happened and so on." You know, they'll recognize themselves in the advocacy that's there, and the exhortations that are there, and the [00:17:00] case-making that I made and, and probably the praying because there's a good degree of prayerfulness in there, too.That's why.Chris: Thank you. bless this new one in the world. And what's the sense for you?Stephen: Oh, yes.Chris: It being a one-week old newborn. How's that landing in your days?Stephen: Well, it's still damp, you know. It's still squeaky, squeaky and damp. It's walking around like a newborn primate, you know, kind of swaying in the breeze and listening to port or to starboard according to whatever's going on.I don't know that it's so very self-conscious in the best sense of that term, yet. Even though I recorded the audio version, I don't think [00:18:00] it's my voice is found every nook and cranny at this point, yet. So, it's kind of new. It's not "news," but it is new to me, you know, and it's very early in terms of anybody responding to it.I mean, nobody around me has really taken me aside and say, "look, now I want to tell you about this book you wrote." It hasn't happened, and we'll see if it does, but I've done a few events on the other side of the ocean and hear so far, very few, maybe handful of interviews. And those are wonderful opportunities to hear something of what you came up with mismanaged by others, you know, misapprehend, you could say by others.No problem. I mean, it's absolutely no problem. And if you don't want that to happen, don't talk, don't write anything down. So, I don't mind a bit, you know, and the chances are very good that it'll turn into things I didn't have in mind [00:19:00] as people take it up, and regard their own weddings and marriages and plans and schemes and fears and, you know, family mishigas and all the rest of it through this particular lens, you know. They may pick up a pen or a computer (it's an odd expression, "pick up a computer"), and be in touch with me and let me know. "Yeah, that was, we tried it" or whatever they're going to do, because, I mean, maybe Die Wise provided a bit of an inkling of how one might be able to proceed otherwise in their dying time or in their families or their loved ones dying time.This is the book that most readily lends itself to people translating into something they could actually do, without a huge kind of psychic revolution or revolt stirring in them, at least not initially. This is as close as I come, probably, to writing a sequence of things [00:20:00] that could be considered "add-ons" to what people are already thinking about, that I don't force everybody else outta the house in order to make room for the ideas that are in the book. That may happen, anyway, but it wasn't really the intent. The intent was to say, you know, we are in those days when we're insanely preoccupied with the notion of a special event. We are on the receiving end of a considerable number of shards showing up without any notion really about what these shards remember or are memories of. And that's the principle contention I think that runs down the spine of the book, is that when we undertake matrimony, however indelicately, however by rote, you know, however mindlessly we may do it, [00:21:00] inadvertently, we call upon those shards nonetheless.And they're pretty unspectacular if you don't think about them very deeply, like the rice or confetti, like the aisle, like the procession up the aisle, like the giving away of someone, like the seating arrangement, like the spectacle seating arrangement rather than the ritual seating arrangement.And I mean, there's a fistful of them. And they're around and scholars aside maybe, nobody knows why they do them. Everybody just knows, "this is what a wedding is," but nobody knows why. And because nobody knows why, nobody really seems to know what a wedding is for, although they do proceed like they would know a wedding if they saw one. So, I make this a question to be really wondered about, and the shards are a way in. They're the kind of [00:22:00] breadcrumb trail through the forest. They're the little bits of broken something, which if you begin to handle just three or four of them, and kind of fit them together, and find something of the original shape and inflection of the original vessel, kind of enunciates, begins to murmur in your hands, and from it you can begin to infer some three-dimensionality to the original shape. And from the sense of the shape, you get a set sense of contour, and from the sense of contour, you get a sense of scale or size. And from that you get a sense of purpose, or function, or design. And from that you get a sense of some kind of serious magisterial insight into some of the fundament of human being that was manifest in the "old-order matrimony," [00:23:00] as I came to call it.So, who wouldn't wanna read that book?Chris: Mm-hmm.Thank you. Mm-hmm. Thank you, Stephen. Yeah. It reminds me, just before coming up here, maybe two weeks ago, I was in attending a wedding. And there was a host or mc, and initially just given what I was hearing over the microphone, it was hard to tell if he was hired or family or friends. And it turned out he was, in fact, a friend of the groom. And throughout the night he proceeded to take up that role as a kind of comedian.Audience: Mm-hmm.Chris: This was the idea, I guess. Mm-hmm. And he was buzzing and mumbling and swearing into the microphone, [00:24:00] and then finally minimizing the only remnant of traditional culture that showed up in the wedding. And his thing was, okay, so when can we get to the part where it's boom, boom, boom, right. And shot, shot, shot, whatever.Stephen: Right.Chris: There was so much that came up in my memories in part because I worked about a decade in Toronto in the wedding industry.Mm-hmm. Hospitality industry. Maybe a contradiction in terms, there. And there was one moment that really kind of summed it up. I kept coming back to this reading the book because it was everything that you wrote seemed to not only antithetical to this moment, but also an antidote.Anyways, it was in North Toronto and the [00:25:00] owner of the venue - it was a kind of movie theatre turned event venue - and there was a couple who was eventually going to get married there. They came in to do their tasting menu to see what they wanted to put on the menu for the dinner, for their wedding.And the owner was kind of this mafioso type. And he comes in and he sees them and he walks over and he says, "so, you're gonna get married at my wedding factory."Audience: Mm-hmm.Chris: In all sincerity.Stephen: Mm-hmm.Chris: Right.Without skipping a beat. Could you imagine?Stephen: Yeah.I could. I sure could.Chris: Yeah. Yeah.Stephen: I mean, don't forget, if these people weren't doing what the people wanted, they'd be outta business.Audience: Mm-hmm.Stephen: No, that's the thing. This is aiding and abetting. This is sleeping with the enemy, stylistically-speaking. [00:26:00] The fact that people "settle" (that's the term I would use for it), settle for this, the idea being that this somehow constitutes the most honest and authentic through line available to us is just jaw dropping. When you consider what allegedly this thing is supposed to be for. I mean, maybe we'll get into this, but I'll just leave this as a question for now. What is that moment allegedly doing?Not, what are the people in it allegedly doing? The moment itself, what is it? How is it different from us sitting here now talking about it? And how is it different from the gory frigging jet-fuelled aftermath of excess. And how's it different from the cursing alleged master of ceremonies? How can you [00:27:00] tell none of those things belong to this thing?And why do you have such a hard time imagining what doesAudience: Hmm mmChris: Well that leads me to my next question.Stephen: Ah, you're welcome.Chris: So, I've pulled a number of quotes from the book to read from over the course of the interview. And this one for anyone who's listening is on page 150. And you write Stephen,"Spiritually-speaking, most of the weddings in our corner of the world are endogamous affairs, inward-looking. What is, to me, most unnerving is that they can be spiritually-incestuous. The withering of psychic difference between people is the program of globalization. It is in the architecture of most things partaking of the internet, and it is in the homogeneity of our matrimony. [00:28:00] It is this very incestuous that matrimony was once crafted and entered into to avoid and subvert. Now, it grinds upon our differences until they are details.And so, this paragraph reminded me of a time in my youth when I seemed to be meeting couples who very eerily looked like each other. No blood or extended kin relation whatsoever, and yet they had very similar faces. And so as I get older, this kind of face fidelity aside, I continue to notice that people looking for companionship tend to base their search on similitude, on shared interests, customs, experiences, shared anything and everything. This, specifically, in opposition to those on the other side of the aisle or spectrum, to difference or divergence. And so, opposites don't attract anymore. I'm curious what you think this psychic [00:29:00] withering does to an achieve understanding of matrimony.Stephen: Well, I mean, let's wonder what it does to us, generally, first before we get to matrimony, let's say. It demonizes. Maybe that's too strong, but it certainly reconstitutes difference as some kind of affliction, some kind of not quite good enough, some kind of something that has to be overcome or overwhelmed on the road to, to what? On the road to sameness? So, if that's the goal, then are all of the differences between us, aberrations of some kind, if that's the goal? If that's the goal, are all the [00:30:00] differences between us, not God-given, but humanly misconstrued or worse? Humanly wrought? Do the differences between us conceivably then belong at all? Or is the principle object of the entire endeavor to marry yourself, trying to put up with the vague differences that the other person represents to you?I mean, I not very jokingly said years ago, that I coined a phrase that went something like "the compromise of infinity, which is other people." What does that mean? "The compromise of infinity, which is other people." Not to mention it's a pretty nice T-shirt. But what I meant by the [00:31:00] phrase is this: when you demonize difference in this fashion or when you go the other direction and lionize sameness, then one of the things that happens is that compromise becomes demonized, too. Compromise, by definition, is something you never should have done, right? Compromise is how much you surrender of yourself in order to get by. That's what all these things become. And before you know it, you're just beaten about the head and shoulders about "codependence" and you know, not being "true to yourself" as if being true to yourself is some kind of magic.I mean, the notion that "yourself is the best part of you" is just hilarious. I mean, when you think about it, like who's running amuck if yourself is what you're supposed to be? I ask you. Like, who's [00:32:00] doing the harm? Who's going mental if the self is such a good idea? So, of course, I'm maintaining here that I'm not persuaded that there is such a thing.I think it's a momentary lapse in judgment to have a self and to stick to it. That's the point I'm really making to kind of reify it until it turns ossified and dusty and bizarrely adamant like that estranged relative that lives in the basement of your house. Bizarrely, foreignly adamant, right? Like the house guest who just won't f**k off kind of thing.Okay, so "to thine own self be true," is it? Well, try being true to somebody else's self for ten minutes. Try that. [00:33:00] That's good at exercise for matrimony - being true to somebody else's self. You'll discover that their selves are not made in heaven, either. Either. I underscore it - either. I've completely lost track of the question you asked me.Chris: What are the consequences of the sameness on this anti-cultural sameness, and the program of it for an achieved understanding of matrimony.Stephen: Thank you. Well, I will fess up right now. I do so in the book. That's a terrible phrase. I swear I'd never say such a thing. "In my book... I say the following," but in this case, it's true. I did say this. I realized during the writing of it that I had made a tremendous tactical error in the convening of the event as I did it over the years, [00:34:00] and this is what it came to.I was very persuaded at the time of the story that appears in the chapter called "Salt and Indigo" in the book. I was very, very persuaded. I mean, listen, I made up the story (for what it's worth), okay, but I didn't make it up out of nothing. I made it up out of a kind of tribal memory that wouldn't quite let go.And in it, I was basically saying, here's these two tribes known principally for what they trade in and what they love most emphatically. They turn out to be the same thing. And I describe a circumstance in which they exchange things in a trade scenario, not a commerce scenario. And I'm using the chapter basically to make the case that matrimony's architecture derives in large measure from the sacraments of trade as manifest in that story. [00:35:00] Okay. And this is gonna sound obvious, but the fundamental requirement of the whole conceit that I came up with is that there are two tribes. Well, I thought to myself, "of course, there's always two tribes" at the time. And the two tribe-ness is reflected in when you come to the wedding site, you're typically asked (I hope you're still asked) " Are you family or friend of the groom or friend of the bride?" And you're seated "accordingly," right? That's the nominal, vestigial shard of this old tribal affiliation, that people came from over the rise, basically unknown to each other, to arrive at the kind of no man's land of matrimony, and proceeded accordingly. So, I put these things into motion in this very room and I sat people accordingly facing each other, not facing the alleged front of the room. [00:36:00] And of course, man, nobody knew where to look, because you raised your eyes and s**t. There's just humans across from you, just scads of them who you don't freaking know. And there's something about doing that to North Americas that just throws them. So, they're just looking at each other and then looking away, and looking at each other and looking away, and wondering what they're doing here and what it's for. And I'm going back and forth for three hours, orienting them as to what is is coming.Okay, so what's the miscalculation that I make? The miscalculation I made was assuming that by virtue of the seating arrangement, by virtue of me reminding them of the salt and indigo times, by virtue of the fact that they had a kind of allegiance of some sort or another to the people who are, for the moment, betrothed, that those distinctions and those affiliations together would congeal them, and constitute a [00:37:00] kind of tribal affiliation that they would intuitively be drawn towards as you would be drawn to heat on a cold winter's night.Only to discover, as I put the thing into motion that I was completely wrong about everything I just told you about. The nature of my error was this, virtually all of those people on one side of the room were fundamentally of the same tribe as the people on the other side of the room, apropos of your question, you see. They were card carrying members of the gray dominant culture of North America. Wow. The bleached, kind of amorphous, kind of rootless, ancestor-free... even regardless of whether their people came over in the last generation from the alleged old country. It doesn't really claim them.[00:38:00]There were two tribes, but I was wrong about who they were. That was one tribe. Virtually everybody sitting in the room was one tribe.So, who's the other tribe? Answer is: me and the four or five people who were in on the structural delivery of this endeavour with me. We were the other tribe.We didn't stand a chance, you see?And I didn't pick up on that, and I didn't cast it accordingly and employ that, instead. I employed the conceit that I insisted was manifest and mobilized in the thing, instead of the manifest dilemma, which is that everybody who came knew what a wedding was, and me and four or five other people were yet to know if this could be one. That was the tribal difference, if you [00:39:00] will.So, it was kind of invisible, wasn't it? Even to me at the time. Or, I say, maybe especially to me at the time. And so, things often went the way they went, which was for however much fascination and willingness to consider that there might have been in the room, there was quite a bit more either flat affect and kind of lack of real fascination, or curiosity, or sometimes downright hostility and pushback. Yeah.So, all of that comes from the fact that I didn't credit as thoroughly as I should have done, the persistence in Anglo-North America of a kind of generic sameness that turned out to be what most people came here ancestrally to become. "Starting again" is recipe for culture [00:40:00] loss of a catastrophic order. The fantasy of starting again. Right?And we've talked about that in your podcast, and you and I have talked about it privately, apropos of your own family and everybody's sitting in this room knows what I'm talking about. And when does this show up? Does it show up, oh, when you're walking down the street? Does it show up when you're on the mountaintop? Does it show up in your peak experiences? And the answer is "maybe." It probably shows up most emphatically in those times when you have a feeling that something special is supposed to be so, and all you can get from the "supposed to" is the allegation of specialness.Audience: Mm-hmm.Stephen: And then, you look around in the context of matrimony and you see a kind of febral, kind of strained, the famous bridezilla stuff, all of that stuff. [00:41:00] You saw it in the hospitality industry, no doubt. You know, the kind of mania for perfection, as if perfection constitutes culture. Right? With every detail checked off in the checkbox, that's culture. You know, as if everything goes off without a hitch and there's no guffaws. And in fact, anybody could reasonably make the case, "Where do you think culture appears when the script finally goes f*****g sideways?" That's when. And when you find out what you're capable of, ceremonially.And generally speaking, I think most people discovered that their ceremonial illiteracy bordered on the bottomless.That's when you find out. Hmm.Chris: Wow.Stephen: Yeah. And that's why people, you know, in speech time, they reach in there and get that piece of paper, and just look at it. Mm-hmm. They don't even look up, terrified that they're gonna go off script for a minute as [00:42:00] if the Gods of Matrimony are a scripted proposition.Chris: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that with us, that degree of deep reflection and humility that I'm sure comes with it.Stephen: Mea Culpa, baby. Yeah, I was, I got that one totally wrong. Mm-hmm. And I didn't know it at the time. Meanwhile, like, how much can you transgress and have the consequences of doing so like spill out across the floor like a broken thermometer's mercury and not wise up.But of course, I was as driven as anybody. I was as driven to see if I could come through with what I promised to do the year before. And keeping your promise can make you into a maniac.Audience: Hmm hmm.Chris: But I imagine that, you [00:43:00] know, you wouldn't have been able to see that even years later if you didn't say yes in the first place.Stephen: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I wouldn't have been able to make the errors.Chris: Right.Stephen: Right. Yeah. I mean, as errors go, this is not a mortal sin. Right, right. And you could chalk it up to being a legitimate miscalculation. Well, so? All I'm saying is, it turns out I was there too, and it turns out, even though I was allegedly the circus master of the enterprise, I wasn't free and clear of the things we were all contending with, the kind of mortality and sort of cultural ricketiness that were all heirs to. That's how I translated it, as it turns out.So, PS there was a moment, [00:44:00] which I don't remember which setting it was now, but there was a moment when the "maybe we'll see if she becomes a bride" bride's mother slid up to me during the course of the proceedings, and in a kind of stage whisper more or less hissed me as follows."Is this a real wedding?"I mean, that's not a question. Not in that setting, obviously not. That is an accusation. Right. And a withering one at that. And there was a tremendous amount of throw-down involved.So, was it? I mean, what we do know is that she did not go to any of the weddings [00:45:00] that she was thinking of at the time, and go to the front of the room where the celebrant is austerely standing there with the book, or the script, or the well-intentioned, or the self-penned vows and never hissed at him or her, "is this a real wedding?"Never once did she do that. We know that.Right.And I think we know why. But she was fairly persuaded she knew what a real wedding was. And all she was really persuaded by was the poverty of the weddings that she'd attended before that one. Well, I was as informed in that respect as she was, wasn't I? I just probably hadn't gone to as many reprobate weddings as she had, so she had more to deal with than I did, even though I was in the position of the line of fire.And I didn't respond too well to the question, I have to say. At the moment, I was rather combative. But I mean, you try to do [00:46:00] what I tried to do and not have a degree of fierceness to go along with your discernment, you know, just to see if you can drag this carcass across the threshold. Anyway, that happened too.Chris: Wow. Yeah. Dominant culture of North America.Stephen: Heard of it.Chris: Yeah. Well, in Matrimony, there's quite a bit in which you write about hospitality and radical hospitality. And I wanted to move in that direction a little bit, because in terms of these kind of marketplace rituals or ceremonies that you were mentioning you know, it's something that we might wonder, I think, as you have, how did it come to be this [00:47:00] way?And so I'd like to, if I can once again, quote from matrimony in which you speak to the etymology of hospitality. And so for those interested on page 88,"the word hospitality comes from hospitaller, meaning 'one who cares for the afflicted, the infirm, the needy.' There's that thread of our misgivings about being on the receiving end of hospitality. Pull on it. For the written history of the word, at least, it has meant, 'being on the receiving end of a kind of care you'd rather not need.'"End quote.Stephen: That's so great. I mean, before you go on with the quote. It's so great to know that the word, unexamined, just kind of leaks upside, doesn't it? Hospitality, I mean, nobody goes "Hospitality, ew." [00:48:00] And then, if you just quietly do the obvious math to yourself, there's so much awkwardness around hospitality.This awkwardness must have an origin, have a home. There must be some misgiving that goes along with the giving of hospitality, mustn't there be? How else to understand where that kind of ickiness is to be found. Right? And it turns out that the etymology is giving you the beginnings of a way of figuring it out what it is that you're on the receiving end of - a kind of succor that you wish you didn't need, which is why it's the root word for "hospital."Chris: Hmm hmm. Wow.Audience: Hmm.Chris: May I repeat that sentence please? Once more."For the written history of the word, at least, it has meant, [00:49:00] 'being on the receiving end of a kind of care you'd rather not need.'"And so this last part hits home for me as I imagine it does for many.And it feels like the orthodoxy of hospitality in our time is one based not only in transaction, but in debt. And if you offer hospitality to me, then I owe you hospitality.Stephen: Right.Chris: I'm indebted to you. And we are taught, in our time, that the worst thing to be in is in debt.Stephen: Right?Chris: And so people refuse both the desire to give as well as the learning skill of receiving. And this is continuing on page 88 now."But there's mystery afoot with this word. In its old Latin form, hospice meant both 'host' and 'guest.'"Stephen: Amazing. One. Either one, This is absolutely amazing. We're fairly sure that there's a [00:50:00] acres of difference between the giver of hospitality and the receiver that the repertoire is entirely different, that the skew between them is almost insurmountable, that they're not interchangeable in any way. But the history of the word immediately says, "really?" The history of the word, without question, says that "host" and "guest" are virtually the same, sitting in different places, being different people, more or less joined at the hip. I'll say more, but you go ahead with what you were gonna do. Sure.Chris: "In it's proto Indo-European origins, hospitality and hospice is a compound word: gosh + pot. And it meant something like [00:51:00] 'stranger/guest/host + powerful Lord.'It is amazing to me that ancestrally, the old word for guest, host, and stranger were all the same word. Potent ceremonial business, this is. In those days, the server and the serve were partners in something mysterious. This could be confusing, but only if you think of guest, host, and stranger as fixed identities.If you think of them as functions, as verbs, the confusion softens and begins to clear. The word hospice in its ancient root is telling us that each of the people gathered together in hospitality is bound to the others by formal etiquette, yes, but the bond is transacted through a subtle scheme of graces.Hospitality, it tells us, is a web of longing and belonging that binds people for a time, some hithereto unknown to each other is a clutch of mutually-binding elegances, you could say. In its ancient practice, [00:52:00] hospitality was a covenant. According to that accord, however we were with each other. That was how the Gods would be with us. We learn our hospitality by being on the receiving end of Godly administration. That's what giving thanks for members. We proceed with our kin in imitation of that example and in gratitude for it."Mm-hmm.And so today, among "secular" people, with the Gods ignored, this old-time hospitality seems endangered, if not fugitive. I'm curious how you imagine that this rupture arose, the ones that separated and commercialized the radical relationships between hosts and guests, that turned them from verbs to nouns and something like strangers to marketplace functions.[00:53:00]Stephen: Well, of course this is a huge question you've asked, and I'll see if I can unhuge it a bit.Chris: Uhhuh.Stephen: Let's go right to the heart of what happened. Just no preliminaries, just right to it.So, to underscore again, the beauty of the etymology. I've told you over and over again, the words will not fail you. And this is just a shining example, isn't it? That the fraternization is a matter of ceremonial alacrity that the affiliation between host and guest, which makes them partners in something, that something is the [00:54:00] evocation of a third thing that's neither one of them. It's the thing they've lent themselves to by virtue of submitting to being either a host or a guest. One.Two. You could say that in circumstances of high culture or highly-functioning culture, one of the principle attributes of that culture is that the fundament of its understanding, is that only with the advent of the stranger in their midst that the best of them comes forward.Okay, follow that. Yeah.So, this is a little counterintuitive for those of us who don't come from such places. We imagine that the advent of strangers in the midst of the people I'm describing would be an occasion where people hide their [00:55:00] best stuff away until the stranger disappears, and upon the disappearance of the stranger, the good stuff comes out again.You know?So, I'm just remembering just now, there's a moment in the New Testament where Jesus says something about the best wine and he's coming from exactly this page that we're talking about - not the page in the book, but this understanding. He said, you know, "serve your best wine first," unlike the standard, that prevails, right?So again, what a stranger does in real culture is call upon the cultural treasure of the host's culture, and provides the opportunity for that to come forward, right? By which you can understand... Let's say for simplicity's sake, there's two kinds of hospitality. There's probably all kinds of gradations, [00:56:00] but for the purposes of responding to what you've asked, there's two.One of them is based on kinship. Okay? So, family meal. So, everybody knows whose place is whose around the table, or it doesn't matter - you sit wherever you want. Or, when we're together, we speak shorthand. That's the shorthand of familiarity and affinity, right?Everybody knows what everybody's talking about. A lot of things get half-said or less, isn't it? And there's a certain fineness, isn't it? That comes with that kind of affinity. Of course, there is, and I'm not diminishing it at all. I'm just characterizing it as being of a certain frequency or calibre or charge. And the charge is that it trades on familiarity. It requires that. There's that kind of hospitality."Oh, sit wherever you want."Remember this one?[00:57:00]"We don't stand on ceremony here.""Oh, you're one of the family now." I just got here. What, what?But, of course, you can hear in the protestations the understanding, in that circumstance, that formality is an enemy to feeling good in this moment, isn't it? It feels stiff and starched and uncalled for or worse.It feels imported from elsewhere. It doesn't feel friendly. So, I'm giving you now beginnings of a differentiation between how cultures who really function as cultures understand what it means to be hospitable and what often prevails today, trading is a kind of low-grade warfare conducted against the strangeness of the stranger.The whole purpose of treating somebody like their family is to mitigate, and finally neutralize their [00:58:00] strangeness, so that for the purposes of the few hours in front of us all, there are no strangers here. Right? Okay.Then there's another kind, and intuitively you can feel what I'm saying. You've been there, you know exactly what I mean.There's another kind of circumstance where the etiquette that prevails is almost more emphatic, more tangible to you than the familiar one. That's the one where your mother or your weird aunt or whoever she might be, brings out certain kind of stuff that doesn't come out every day. And maybe you sit in a room that you don't often sit in. And maybe what gets cooked is stuff you haven't seen in a long time. And some part of you might be thinking, "What the hell is all this about?" And the answer is: it's about that guy in the [00:59:00] corner that you don't know.And your own ancestral culture told acres of stories whose central purpose was to convey to outsiders their understanding of what hospitality was. That is fundamentally what The Iliad and The Odyssey are often returning to and returning to and returning to.They even had a word for the ending of the formal hospitality that accrued, that arose around the care and treatment of strangers. It was called pomp or pompe, from which we get the word "pompous." And you think about what the word "pompous" means today.It means "nose in the air," doesn't it? Mm-hmm. It means "thinks really highly of oneself," isn't it? And it means "useless, encumbering, kind of [01:00:00] artificial kind of going through the motions stuff with a kind of aggrandizement for fun." That's what "pompous" means. Well, the people who gave us the word didn't mean that at all. This word was the word they used to describe the particular moment of hospitality when it was time for the stranger to leave.And when it was mutually acknowledged that the time for hospitality has come to an end, and the final act of hospitality is to accompany the stranger out of the house, out of the compound, out into the street, and provision them accordingly, and wish them well, and as is oftentimes practiced around here, standing in the street and waving them long after they disappear from view.This is pompous. This is what it actually means. Pretty frigging cool when you get corrected once in a while, isn't it? [01:01:00] Yeah.So, as I said, to be simplistic about it, there's at least a couple of kinds, and one of them treasures the advent of the stranger, understanding it to be the detonation point for the most elegant part of us to come forward.Now, those of us who don't come from such a place, we're just bamboozled and Shanghai'ed by the notion of formality, which we kind of eschew. You don't like formality when it comes to celebration, as if these two things are hostile, one to the other. But I'd like you to consider the real possibility that formality is grace under pressure, and that formality is there to give you a repertoire of response that rescues you from the gross limitations of your autobiography.[01:02:00]Next question. I mean, that's the beginning.Chris: Absolutely. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Thank you once again, Stephen. So alongside the term or concept of "pompe," in which the the guest or stranger was led out of the house or to the entrance of the village, there was also the consideration around the enforcement of hospitality, which you write about in the book. And you write that"the enforcement of hospitality runs the palpable risk of violating or undoing the cultural value it is there to advocate for. Forcing people to share their good fortune with the less fortunate stretches, to the point of undoing the generosity of spirit that the culture holds dear. Enforcement of hospitality is a sign of the eclipse of hospitality, typically spawned by insecurity, contracted self-definition, and the darkening of the [01:03:00] stranger at the door.Instead, such places and times are more likely to encourage the practice of hospitality in subtle generous ways, often by generously treating the ungenerous."And so there seems to be a need for limits placed on hospitality, in terms of the "pompe," the maximum three days in which a stranger can be given hospitality, and concurrently a need to resist enforcing hospitality. This seems like a kind of high-wire act that hospitable cultures have to balance in order to recognize and realize an honorable way of being with a stranger. And so I'm wondering if you could speak to the possibility of how these limits might be practiced without being enforced. What might that look like in a culture that engages with, with such limits, but without prohibitions?Stephen: Mm-hmm. That's a very good question. [01:04:00] Well, I think your previous question was what happened? I think, in a nutshell, and I didn't really answer that, so maybe see how I can use this question to answer the one that you asked before: what happened? So, there's no doubt in my mind that something happened that it's kind of demonstrable, if only with the benefit of hindsight.Audience: Right.Stephen: Or we can feel our way around the edges of the absence of the goneness of that thing that gives us some feel for the original shape of that thing.So you could say I'm trafficking in "ideals," here, and after a fashion, maybe, yeah. But the notion of "ideals," when it's used in this slanderous way suggests that "it was never like that."Chris: Mm-hmm.Stephen: And I suggest to you it's been like that in a lot of places, and there's a lot of places where it's still like that, although globalization [01:05:00] may be the coup de grâce performed upon this capacity. Okay. But anyway.Okay. So what happened? Well, you see in the circumstance that I described, apropos of the stranger, the stranger is in on it. The stranger's principle responsibility is to be the vector for this sort of grandiose generosity coming forward, and to experience that in a burdensome and unreciprocated fashion, until you realize that their willingness to do that is their reciprocity. Everybody doesn't get to do everything at once. You can't give and receive at the same time. You know what that's called? "Secret Santa at school," isn't it?That's where nobody owes nobody nothing at the end. That's what we're all after. I mean, one of your questions, you know, pointed to that, that there's a kind of, [01:06:00] what do you call that, teeter-totter balance between what people did for each other and what they received for each other. Right. And nobody feels slighted in any way, perfect balance, et cetera.Well, the circumstance here has nothing of the kind going with it. The circumstance we're describing now is one in which the hospitality is clearly unequal in terms of who's eating whose food, for example, in terms of the absolutely frustrated notion of reciprocity, that in fact you undo your end of the hospitality by trying to pay back, or give back, or pay at all, or break even, or not feel the burden of "God, you've been on the take for fricking hours here now." And if you really look in the face of the host, I mean, they're just getting started and you can't, you can't take it anymore.[01:07:00]So, one of the ways that we contend with this is through habits of speech. So, if somebody comes around with seconds. They say, "would you like a little more?"And you say, "I'm good. I'm good. I'm good." You see, "I'm good" is code for what? "F**k off." That's what it's code for. It's a little strong. It's a little strong. What I mean is, when "I'm good" comes to town, it means I don't need you and what you have. Good God, you're not there because you need it you knucklehead. You're there because they need it, because their culture needs an opportunity to remember itself. Right?Okay. So what happened? Because you're making it sound like a pretty good thing, really. Like who would say, "I think we've had enough of this hospitality thing, don't you? Let's try, oh, [01:08:00] keeping our s**t to ourselves. That sounds like a good alternative. Let's give it a week or two, see how it rolls." Never happened. Nobody decided to do this - this change, I don't think. I think the change happened, and sometime long after people realized that the change had had taken place. And it's very simple. The change, I think, went something like this.As long as the guest is in on it, there's a shared and mutually-held understanding that doesn't make them the same. It makes them to use the quote from the book "partners," okay, with different tasks to bring this thing to light, to make it so. What does that require? A mutually-held understanding in vivo as it's happening, what it is.Okay. [01:09:00] So, that the stranger who's not part of the host culture... sorry, let me say this differently.The culture of the stranger has made the culture of the host available to the stranger no matter how personally adept he or she may be at receiving. Did you follow that?Audience: A little.Stephen: Okay. Say it again?Audience: Yes, please.Stephen: Okay. The acculturation, the cultured sophistication of the stranger is at work in his or her strangerhood. Okay. He or she's not at home, but their cultural training helps them understand what their obligations are in terms of this arrangement we've been describing here.Okay, so I think the rupture takes place [01:10:00] when the culturation of one side or the other fails to make the other discernible to the one.One more time?When something happens whereby the acculturation of one of the partners makes the identity, the presence, and the valence of the other one untranslatable. Untranslatable.I could give you an example from what I call " the etiquette of trade," or the... what was the word? Not etiquette. What's the other word?Chris: The covenant?Stephen: Okay, " covenant of trade" we'll call it. So, imagine that people are sitting across from each other, two partners in a trade. Okay? [01:11:00] Imagine that they have one thing to sell or move or exchange and somebody has something else.How does this work? Not "what are the mechanics?" That can be another discussion, but, if this works, how does it work? Not "how does it happen?" How does it actually achieve what they're after? Maybe it's something like this.I have this pottery, and even though you're not a potter, but somebody in your extended family back home was, and you watched what they went through to make a fricking pot, okay?You watched how their hands seized up, because the clay leached all the moisture out of the hands. You distinctly remember that - how the old lady's hands looked cracked and worn, and so from the work of making vessels of hospitality, okay? [01:12:00] It doesn't matter that you didn't make it yourself. The point is you recognize in the item something we could call "cultural patrimony."You recognize the deep-runningness of the culture opposite you as manifest and embodied in this item for trade. Okay? So, the person doesn't have to "sell you" because your cultural sophistication makes this pot on the other side available to you for the deeply venerable thing that it is. Follow what I'm saying?Okay. So, you know what I'm gonna say next? When something happens, the items across from you cease to speak, cease to have their stories come along with them, cease to be available. There's something about your cultural atrophy that you project onto the [01:13:00] item that you don't recognize.You don't recognize it's valence, it's proprieties, it's value, it's deep-running worth and so on. Something happened, okay? And because you're not making your own stuff back home or any part of it. And so now, when you're in a circumstance like this and you're just trying to get this pot, but you know nothing about it, then the enterprise becomes, "Okay, so what do you have to part with to obtain the pot?"And the next thing is, you pretend you're not interested in obtaining the pot to obtain the pot. That becomes part of the deal. And then, the person on the making end feels the deep running slight of your disinterest, or your vague involvement in the proceedings, or maybe the worst: when it's not things you're going back and forth with, but there's a third thing called money, which nobody makes, [01:14:00] which you're not reminded of your grandma or anyone else's with the money. And then, money becomes the ghost of the original understanding of the cultural patrimony that sat between you. That's what happened, I'm fairly sure: the advent, the estrangement that comes with the stranger, instead of the opportunity to be your cultural best when the stranger comes.And then of course, it bleeds through all kinds of transactions beyond the "obvious material ones." So, it's a rupture in translatability, isn't it?Chris: You understand this to happen or have happened historically, culturally, et cetera, with matrimony as well?Stephen: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.Yeah. This is why, for example, things like the fetishization of virginity.Audience: Mm-hmm. [01:15:00]Stephen: I think it's traceable directly to what we're talking about. How so? Oh, this is a whole other long thing, but the very short version would be this.Do you really believe that through all of human history until the recent liberation, that people have forever fetishized the virginity of a young woman and jealously defended it, the "men" in particular, and that it became a commodity to trade back and forth in, and that it had to be prodded and poked at to determine its intactness? And this was deemed to be, you know, honourable behavior?Do you really think that's the people you come from, that they would've do that to the most cherished of their [01:16:00] own, barely pubescent girls? Come on now. I'm not saying it didn't happen and doesn't still happen. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, God almighty, something happened for that to be so.And I'm trying to allude to you now what I think took place. Then all of a sudden, the hymen takes the place of the pottery, doesn't it? And it becomes universally translatable. Doesn't it? It becomes a kind of a ghosted artifact of a culturally-intact time. It's as close as you can get.Hence, this allegation of its purity, or the association with purity, and so on. [01:17:00] I mean, there's lots to say, but that gives you a feel for what might have happened there.Chris: Thank you, Stephen. Thank you for being so generous with your considerations here.Stephen: You see why I had to write a book, eh?Audience: Mm-hmm.Stephen: There was too much bouncing around. Like I had to just keep track of my own thoughts on the matter.But can you imagine all of this at play in the year, oh, I don't know, 2022, trying to put into motion a redemptive passion play called "matrimony," with all of this at play? Not with all of this in my mind, but with all of this actually disfiguring the anticipation of the proceedings for the people who came.Can you imagine? Can you imagine trying to pull it off, and [01:18:00] contending overtly with all these things and trying to make room for them in a moment that's supposed to be allegedly - get ready for it - happy.I should have raised my rates on the first day, trying to pull that off.But anyway.Okay, you go now,Chris: Maybe now you'll have the opportunity.Stephen: No, man. No. I'm out of the running for that. "Pompe" has come and come and gone. Mm.Chris: So, in matrimony, Stephen, you write that"the brevity, the brevity of modern ceremonies is really there to make sure that nothing happens, nothing of substance, nothing of consequence, no alchemy, no mystery, no crazy other world stuff. That overreach there in its scripted heart tells me that deep in the rayon-wrapped bosom of that special day, the modern wedding is scared [01:19:00] silly of something happening. That's because it has an ages-old abandoned memory of a time when a wedding was a place where the Gods came around, where human testing and trying and making was at hand, when the dead lingered in the wings awaiting their turn to testify and inveigh."Gorgeous. Gorgeous.Audience: Mm-hmm.Chris: And so I'm curious ifStephen: "Rayon-wrapped bosom." That's not, that's not shabby.Chris: "Rayon-wrapped bosom of that special day." Yeah.So, I'm curious do you think the more-than-human world practices matrimony, and if so, what, if anything, might you have learned about matrimony from the more-than-human world?Stephen: I would say the reverse. I would say, we practice the more-than-human world in matrimony, not that the more-than-human world practices matrimony. We practice them, [01:20:00] matrimonially.Next. Okay. Or no? I just gonna say that, that's pretty good.Well, where do we get our best stuff from? Let's just wonder that. Do we get our best stuff from being our best? Well, where does that come from? And this is a bit of a barbershop mirrors situation here, isn't it? To, to back, back, back, back.If you're thinking of time, you can kind of get lost in that generation before, or before, before, before. And it starts to sound like one of them biblical genealogies. But if you think of it as sort of the flash point of multiple presences, if you think of it that way, then you come to [01:21:00] credit the real possibility that your best stuff comes from you being remembered by those who came before you.Audience: Hmm.Stephen: Now just let that sit for a second, because what I just said is logically-incompatible.Okay? You're being remembered by people who came before you. That's not supposed to work. It doesn't work that way. Right?"Anticipated," maybe, but "remembered?" How? Well, if you credit the possibility of multiple beginnings, that's how. Okay. I'm saying that your best stuff, your best thoughts, not the most noble necessarily. I would mean the most timely, [01:22:00] the ones that seem most needed, suddenly.You could take credit and sure. Why, why not? Because ostensibly, it arrives here through you, but if you're frank with yourself, you know that you didn't do that on command, right? I mean, you could say, I just thought of it, but you know in your heart that it was thought of and came to you.I don't think there's any difference between saying that and saying you were thought of.Audience: Mm-hmm.Stephen: So, that's what I think the rudiments of old-order matrimony are. They are old people and their benefactors in the food chain and spiritually speaking. Old people and their benefactors, the best part of them [01:23:00] willed to us, entrusted and willed to us. So, when you are willing to enter into the notion that old-order matrimony is older than you, older than your feelings for the other person, older than your love, and your commitment, and your willingness to make the vows and all that stuff, then you're crediting the possibility that your love is not the beginning of anything.You see. Your love is the advent of something, and I use that word deliberately in its Christian notion, right? It's the oncomingness, the eruption into the present day of something, which turns out to be hugely needed and deeply unsuspected at the same time.I used to ask in the school, "can you [01:24:00] have a memory of something you have no lived experience of?" I think that's what the best part of you is. I'm not saying the rest of you is shite. I'm not saying that. You could say that, but I am saying that when I say "the best part of you," that needs a lot of translating, doesn't it?But the gist of it is that the best part of you is entrusted to you. It's not your creation, it's your burden, your obligation, your best chance to get it right. And that's who we are to those who came before us. We are their chance to get it right, and matrimony is one of the places where you practice the gentle art of getting it right.[01:25:00] Another decent reason to write a book.Chris: So, gorgeous. Wow. Thank you Stephen. I might have one more question.Stephen: Okay. I might have one more answer. Let's see.Chris: Alright. Would I be able to ask if dear Nathalie Roy could join us up here alongside your good man.So, returning to Matrimony: Ritual, Culture and the Heart's Work. On page 94, [01:26:00] Stephen, you write that"hospitality of the radical kind is

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Kelly's Astrology Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2025 25:38


Kelly talks about the transit of Mars in Scorpio 2025, which begins September 22. Kelly discusses how to work with Mars in Scorpio and explores the aspects Mars in Scorpio will make including, Mars square Pluto in Aquarius, Mercury conjunct Mars in Scorpio, Mars trine Jupiter in Cancer and Mars trine Saturn in Pisces. Learn how Mars in Scorpio will emphasize strategy and courageous action, as well as support emotionally aligned progress toward long-term goals, especially around the house topics of wherever you have Scorpio in your natal chart. Join Kelly's Practical Astrology Beginner class starting this September:https://www.kellysastrology.com/astrology-for-beginners/

ChaseLife with Kelly
175: Permission to Want: Releasing Guilt Around Your Desires

ChaseLife with Kelly

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2025 20:33


In this empowering episode, Kelly dives deep into the idea of need versus want and how we often use "I don't need it" as a way to deny ourselves the things that could elevate our lives. Kelly unpacks the mindset around money, wealth, and worthiness-why wealth doesn't have to mean burnout or hustle culture, and how your desires, when rooted in authenticity, are placed on your heart for a reason. [0:59] Wealth Beyond Money “I believe that they don't. I believe that God wants us all to live happy, healthy, wealthy lives and wealthy can mean anything.” [2:40] The Wealth Within “We all still can have the same mindset around money. We have the same limiting beliefs, same fears, all of that and so it doesn't matter what your actual financial status is.” [8:47] The Character of Wealth “Good people do good things with money and when you are doing the work around money, money amplifies who you already are.” [13:24] Awareness Before Action “So next time that you think yourself out of something, or you're about to be like, well, I don't need that. Bring awareness to that thought and say, is this going to elevate my life? If yes, do it, get it.” [16:39] Invest in Your Expansion “Go buy the thing that you know will change your life, will expand you, will increase the person that you are, that will make you feel like a better human.” [20:17] Say Yes to You “Keep saying yes to yourself and no to the things that aren't going to enhance the human that you are.” Connect with Kelly here: Follow Me on Instagram at @chaselifewithkelly - https://www.instagram.com/chaselifewithkelly/ Follow Me on TikTok at @iamkellychase - https://www.tiktok.com/@iamkellychase _t=8WCIP546ma6&_r=1 Subscribe to My YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqhN0CXWVATKfUjwrm65-g Work with Me: Private 1:1 Business & Mindset Coaching- More Details- https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com/private-coaching  Rejection to Redemption - More Details: https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com/rejection-to-redemption  Online Business Accelerator- More Details: https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com/online-business-accelerator  Money Magnet - More Details: https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com/money-magnet  Goddess Magic Course Bundle - More Details - https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com/goddess-magic Kelly's Favorites   https://linktr.ee/chaselifewithkelly Visit Our Website!  https://www.chaselifewithkelly.com

Deadline: White House
“Despotic desires shine through”

Deadline: White House

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 18, 2025 42:45


For more, follow us on Instagram @deadlinewh.  To listen to this show and other MSNBC podcasts without ads, sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Language of Love
How to Break Free from Inhibitions & Open Up About Your Desires

The Language of Love

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2025 10:05


Have you ever felt too shy or embarrassed to talk about your sexual needs, even with a partner you trust? This episode might be for you! In today's Language of Love Session, I'm answering a question from a listener who's struggling to open up about her desires and fantasies.  Maybe you received messages growing up about what's “appropriate” or things you witnessed that made you feel ashamed of your desires… I'll walk you through how to start untangling those beliefs and embrace your sexuality with confidence. I also talk about how to communicate your sexual needs with your partner, even when it feels awkward or cringey. It's all about creating a safe space to have that conversation, and I'll give you some tips on how to open up without feeling embarrassed or ashamed. In this session, we'll cover: Why sexual inhibitions often come from external sources, not you How to identify and release shame-based beliefs around sex How to start the conversation with your partner about trying new things in the bedroom How to communicate your desires in a positive, low-pressure way You deserve to have the sex life you want, free of shame and judgment. Whether you're in a relationship or not, learning how to talk about what you want and exploring your desires is key to a fulfilling, beautiful sex life. If you have a question or want to share your story, I'd love to hear from you. You can always email me at languageoflovepod@gmail.com, and I'm here to support you as you learn how to love and be loved better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jarvis Kingston
Episode 1470 - Jarvis Kingston Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart Psalms 37:4 & Psalms 82:3

Jarvis Kingston

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2025 15:01 Transcription Available


New Day of Hope Podcast
The Desires of The Heart

New Day of Hope Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2025 22:08


Send us a textSupport the showThanks for listening! Follow us on https://twitter.com/NEWDAYGOSPELRA2You can email us newdayofhopepodcast@gmail.comhttps://newdayofhopepodcast.buzzsprout.com/Phone: 470-929-5526

Radio Maria Ireland
E76 | Science, Religion, and the Modern World – Michael Flanagan – Gerard McReavy – Five Transcendental Desires

Radio Maria Ireland

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 17, 2025 26:23


In this episode of “Science, Religion, and the Modern World,” Michael is joined by his colleague, Gerard McReavy where they discuss the five transcendental desires. Perfect Truth, Perfect Beauty, Perfect Love, Perfect Justice and Perfect Being. L'articolo E76 | Science, Religion, and the Modern World – Michael Flanagan – Gerard McReavy – Five Transcendental Desires proviene da Radio Maria.

The Quantum Woman Podcast with Shamina Taylor
180. Going BIGGER and EXPANDING Your Desires

The Quantum Woman Podcast with Shamina Taylor

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2025 16:07


Are You Ready For Your HIGHEST CASH MONTHS? Join us in Chicago October 2nd-3rd for The Wealth Consciousness Experience: https://link.shaminataylor.com/wealth-consciousness-experience-2025 The Wealth Consciousness Experience is the #1 Women's Empowerment Event of the year! I've helped 51 women become millionaires and multi-millionaire and over 347 women reach their highest cash months with the simple system: Identity Work + Scalable Systems = Consistent High Cash Months

OPC Ruling Elder Podcast
Shepherding Military Families

OPC Ruling Elder Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2025 41:42


Ruling Elder Mike Cloy talks about how ruling elders and churches can support and shepherd military families. Mike served in a career of 27 years that included combat commands at the battalion and brigade level, and having served and retired in the rank of full colonel.Mike speaks of the dedication to service and the pressures it places upon those serving, and their families. He speaks of the deep bonds formed in combat and of the importance of elders and churches reaching out to those in military service with the good news of Jesus and the power of the gospel.To read more about Mike (and a pair of night-vision goggles) see Christopher H. Wisdom's article, “A Chaplain in the Lord's Service” in New Horizons, (Feb, 2020).Mike's recommended reading…A. Craig Troxel, With All Your Heart: Orienting Your Mind, Desires, and Will toward Christ, Crossway, 2020.Nick Thompson, Growing Downward: The Path of Christ-exalting Humility, Reformation Heritage Books, 2022.Nick Thompson, Restless Devotion: An Urgent Call to Godward Discontentment, Reformation Heritage Books, 2025If you would like to contact Mike his email address is opcmikecloy@gmail.com

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE
Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 4

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 14, 2025 27:37


Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 4

Louise Kay Podcast
Desires and Discernment

Louise Kay Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 14, 2025 3:20


• Join Louise for a weekly live guided meditation followed by Q&A on Zoom (by donation). Register here: https://www.louisekay.net/zoom.html • Upcoming In-person Retreats:https://www.louisekay.net/retreats.htmlLouise Kay holds group events and retreats online and around the world.For more details visit http://www.louisekay.net/

Gas Street Podcast
Reordered Love — Tim Hughes

Gas Street Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 14, 2025


Tim Hughes begins our new series, War of Desires. Looking at the desire of love and what happens when we choose to put our love in other places over God.

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE
Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 3

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 12, 2025 29:55


Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 3

4 Badass Bitches ~ Uncensored Wellness 4U
Desire Mismatch: When One of You Wants More

4 Badass Bitches ~ Uncensored Wellness 4U

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 10, 2025 47:46


Every couple knows the ache of mismatched desire — when one of you is longing for more intimacy, while the other feels pulled back or pressured.In this episode of the Get Your Sexy Back Podcast for Couples, we share how to reframe desire mismatch from a source of conflict into an opportunity for deeper connection, presence, and intimacy. What you'll hear in this episode:Why mismatched desires don't mean your relationship is broken and how to see them as an invitation.Why honouring the cycles reduces shame.How stress or safety influences your ability to feel aroused.What is the hidden emotional toll of rejection and pressure when a desire mismatch goes unspokenWhy intimacy takes practice and the simple daily rituals that reconnect you outside and inside the bedroom. Desire mismatch isn't the end. It can be the doorway into more truth, more trust, and more erotic aliveness. Our Group Retreats at Phoenix Rising are now open for registration.Here's what you can expect November 20–24:• A lakeside sanctuary with space to slow down and breathe again• Daily practices that build intimacy, presence, and passion• Support from us in an intimate, like-minded group• Nourishing meals, cozy fires, and private moments together with no distractions• The chance to take everything you're learning back into your bedroom…and feel the differenceIf you've been waiting for the right time, this is it.Come and see how much more is possible for your relationship.Only 5 couples. First-come, first-served for your room selection (GeoDomes or cottage rooms).

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE
Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 2

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 10, 2025 30:02


Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 2

Real Talk With Reginald D (Motivational/Inspirational)
Don't Let Go: Hold On To Your Dreams, Desires & Purpose (Motivational Speech)

Real Talk With Reginald D (Motivational/Inspirational)

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 9, 2025 7:53 Transcription Available


Have you ever felt like giving up on your dreams because the doors just won't open? What if the next one is the door—and you're just one “don't let go” away from breakthrough?In this powerful and deeply motivational solo episode, Reginald D, your host delivers a heart-piercing message for anyone on the edge of letting go. This is for the dreamers, the doers, and the warriors who've come too far to give up now.Reginald D drops a soul-stirring motivational speech packed with truth, urgency, and purpose-driven fire. He challenges you to stop compromising, stop making excuses, and hold tight to what God placed inside you—because your future, your breakthrough, and your peace depend on it.Whether you're battling frustration, fatigue, or fear, this episode will remind you that you are not average, your dreams matter, and letting go is not an option.This is real talk for real people with real purpose—and it's time to rise.You'll learn how to recognize the difference between what to let go of—and what to never let go of (your purpose, passion, and calling).You'll be challenged to stop focusing on the “no's” in life and start taking intentional action toward the “yes” that's coming.You'll feel re-energized to hold on through delay, rejection, and exhaustion—and keep pushing with faith, fire, and discipline.Hit play now if you're tired of quitting on yourself and ready to fight for your future with a fire that refuses to let go.motivational podcast, inspirational podcast, motivational speech, don't give up motivation, hold on to your dreams, purpose-driven life, personal growth, mindset coaching, faith motivation, spiritual podcast,  christian, goal setting, breakthrough motivation, how to stay focused on your goals, never let go, believe in yourselfSend us a textSupport the showFor daily motivation and inspiration, subscribe and follow Real Talk With Reginald D on social media:Instagram: realtalkwithreginaldd TikTok: @realtalkregd Youtube: @realtalkwithreginald Facebook: realtalkwithreginaldd Twitter Real Talk With Reginald D (@realtalkRegD) / TwitterWebsite: Real Talk With Reginald D https://www.realtalkwithreginaldd.com Real Talk With Reginald D - Merchandise

ZLORD
Desires Help Us Discover Our Life's Purpose

ZLORD

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2025 32:25


We all have them, good and bad, positive and negative—the desires that push and pull us this way and that. At various times of our lives they are guides while at other times they can be hindrances. The challenge is to be aware of our desires, and feel how they influence our decisions. Cohosts tezalord.com and carterlord.com sometimes agree, often differ: but always love and respect each other. Married decades and having FUN. #spiritualConvo #Oneness #mindfulConvo #OurSoulHaePurpose #feelingGoodIsFUN #happinessIsYours #LoveNotFear #chooseLove

Vedic Worldview
The Relationship Between Buddhism and the Vedic Worldview - Part Two - Questions Arising

Vedic Worldview

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2025 33:19


Jai Guru Deva. We wanted to let you know that the full schedule and registration details for Thom's upcoming Mexico tour are now online. The program includes free group meditations and knowledge sessions, opportunities to learn Vedic Meditation and receive an advanced technique directly from Thom, refresher sessions for existing meditators, a live Satsang session, and a five-day four-night rounding retreat.This is also your opportunity to book a life-changing private one-on-one consultation with Thom while he's in Mexico City. The tour runs from September 17 to 29, and you can find out more at thomknoles.com/mexico. That's thomknoles.com/mexico.This episode is a Questions Arising episode, where Thom answers questions from the previous episode on the relationship between Buddhism and the Vedic Worldview. Thom explores how Buddhism and Vedanta view the Self, compassion, desire, and evolution differently, and why direct experience of transcendence changes everything.You can view Part One of this episode here. Episode Highlights[00:45] Q - How Does the Worldview of a Buddhist Affect How They Engage in the World vs a Vedantist?[01:44] A - Proximity Effects Quieting the Ocean of Consciousness[03:58] Compassion Viewed Differently[06:30] A Desire to Be Free of Desires[08:12] An Almost Impossible Brief[10:01] Trustworthy Desires and Spontaneous Right Action[12:07] Q - Is There a Worldview of Evolution Within Buddhism?[12:46] A - Everything's in Decline[16:16] Q - Would an Experience of Transcendence Change the Worldview of a Buddhist?[16:46] A - Experience Makes the Difference[20:03] Direct Evidence of the Unified Field[24:19] Q - Why Was the Technique of Transcendence Lost in Buddhism?[24:35] A - Luck of the Draw[27:58] Expert MemorizersUseful Linksinfo@thomknoles.com https://thomknoles.com/https://www.instagram.com/thethomknoleshttps://www.facebook.com/thethomknoleshttps://www.youtube.com/c/thomknoleshttps://thomknoles.com/ask-thom-anything/

Long Hollow Baptist Church - Audio
God Desires Worship before Work - Get Into The Word

Long Hollow Baptist Church - Audio

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2025 47:32


In this message from September 7th, 2025, Pastor Robby Gallaty unpacks Moses' encounter with the burning bush. Speaker: Robby Gallaty

worship desires pastor robby gallaty
Core Church LA Services
Walking Right

Core Church LA Services

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2025 93:43


1. The Test of Desires2. The Fruit of the Spirit3. The Christian's WalkToday's sermon, "Walking Right," explored Galatians 5:16-24, emphasizing the importance of our spiritual walk as Christians. Pastor Steve highlighted the contrast between walking by the Spirit and fulfilling the desires of the flesh. The message underscored how our spiritual growth directly impacts our daily lives, encouraging us to align our conduct with Christ's teachings and to cultivate the fruit of the Spirit.Takeaways:- We are called to "walk by the Spirit" (Gal. 5:16), which means living in a way that reflects God's desires for us rather than our fleshly impulses.- The fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control) should be evident in our lives as we grow in Christ.- Our choices in relationships and daily activities significantly impact our spiritual walk. We should seek to surround ourselves with influences that draw us closer to God.As we reflect on this message, let's consider how we can more intentionally walk by the Spirit in our daily lives. Are there areas where we need to "crucify the flesh with its passions and desires" (Gal. 5:24)? How can we better cultivate the fruit of the Spirit in our interactions with others?May God bless you and guide you as you continue to grow in your faith journey.

Core Church LA Services
Walking Right

Core Church LA Services

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2025 93:43


1. The Test of Desires2. The Fruit of the Spirit3. The Christian's WalkToday's sermon, "Walking Right," explored Galatians 5:16-24, emphasizing the importance of our spiritual walk as Christians. Pastor Steve highlighted the contrast between walking by the Spirit and fulfilling the desires of the flesh. The message underscored how our spiritual growth directly impacts our daily lives, encouraging us to align our conduct with Christ's teachings and to cultivate the fruit of the Spirit.Takeaways:- We are called to "walk by the Spirit" (Gal. 5:16), which means living in a way that reflects God's desires for us rather than our fleshly impulses.- The fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control) should be evident in our lives as we grow in Christ.- Our choices in relationships and daily activities significantly impact our spiritual walk. We should seek to surround ourselves with influences that draw us closer to God.As we reflect on this message, let's consider how we can more intentionally walk by the Spirit in our daily lives. Are there areas where we need to "crucify the flesh with its passions and desires" (Gal. 5:24)? How can we better cultivate the fruit of the Spirit in our interactions with others?May God bless you and guide you as you continue to grow in your faith journey.

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE
Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 1

PROPHET NANASEI OPOKU-SARKODIE

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2025 29:30


Engage in spirituality to overcome worldly desires. Part 1

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Powerhouse Women
3 Ways to Transform Reality + Upgrade Your Identity to Align With Your Highest Desires | Live Masterclass

Powerhouse Women

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2025 67:07


What's limiting you from living the life of your dreams? I'm not here just to talk about making more money or growing your business… More than anything, this conversation is here to serve as your connection to your most authentic desires, and how you can make them a reality. I break down the 3 step process to align your current identity with your next level expansion, reconcile with the parts of you that subconsciously limit you, and wire yourself for the success you want. Plus, I'll share some powerful ways you can practice, live in, and truly embody the woman you've become.   HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 What is keeping you in your current reality? 03:45 The biggest signs you're being called to transform.  10:20 How to find + connect to your authentic desires (and make them a reality)! 16:30 What's the real reason you don't have the next level of results you desire? 27:10 Why we need pressure + overwhelm to break us if we want to grow. 37:30 How to detach yourself from your old identity and step into your upgraded self. 47:05 What happens when we break away from our old identity? 50:35 Transformation never ends, but your relationship with it DOES. 55:30 Ways to practice your new identity with triggers and tests. 1:03:00 Choose the path of maximum expansion and you'll be rewarded.   RESOURCES + LINKS Join The Upgrade HERE (enrollment closes September 10th)   FOLLOW Powerhouse Women: @powerhouse_women Lindsey: @lindseymarieofficial Visit the Powerhouse Women website: powerhousewomen.co Join the PW Community Facebook Group: facebook.com/groups/powerhousewomencommunity

About Progress
AP 718: It's OK to Want More || How Women Can Overcome Guilt and Embrace Their Desires

About Progress

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 1, 2025 45:56


Today I'm talking about the importance of acknowledging our desire for more in life without guilt or fear. As I work with my coaching clients, I've noticed that many women struggle with embracing their wants, fearing it makes them appear ungrateful or selfish. I'm thrilled to launch the inaugural More for Moms Conference, a free virtual event featuring 25 inspiring speakers who are also moms, sharing their insights into areas like happiness and health. This conference aims to empower mothers to seek more fulfillment and progress. Wanting more isn't just about obtaining what we desire; it's about embracing who we genuinely are. So, I invite you to consider what you truly want more of in life and pursue it with courage, knowing it's okay to strive for more. More for Moms Conference: https://www.aboutprogress.com/moreformoms Guide for More: https://www.aboutprogress.com/more Sign up as a Supporter to get access to our private, premium, ad-free podcast, More Personal. Episodes air each Friday! ⁠Get on the waitlist for Italy!⁠ Single traveler survey ⁠here⁠. More for Moms Conference Leave a rating and review Check out my ⁠workshops⁠! Follow About Progress on YOUTUBE! Book Launch Committee Free DSL Training Full Show Notes This episode is brought to you by AirDoctor, use code MONICA at http://airdoctorpro.com/ for up to $300 off air purifiers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices