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Mere Mortals Book Reviews
Taking A Trip Into Your Brain & The World Of Psychedelics | How To Change Your Mind (Michael Pollan)

Mere Mortals Book Reviews

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2022 34:26


Are you willing to change your mind on a controversial topic?'How To Change Your Mind' by Michael Pollan is a dive into the North American history of psychedelics & their use in emerging scientific studies. It focuses primarily on 3 types: LSD, psilocybin and DMT. The book is not overly scientific as it contains many trip reports from the author himself as well as subjective ponderings on the mystical experiences that can arise. I summarised the book as follows. "It's a compelling read that walks the fine line between objective/subjective and scientific/mystical. Although it may seems daunting from some peoples experiences, the downsides seem limited compared to other drugs. It appears science is catching up to the collective wisdom of 1000's of years cultural healing gained from their use and this is super exciting."I hope you have a fantastic day wherever you are in the world. Kyrin out!Timeline:(0:00) - Intro(0:35) - Synopsis(3:32) - The Science: What can we say for certain?(16:59) - The Subjective: What can we say?(25:35) - Observations/Takeaways(31:39) - SummaryConnect with Mere Mortals:Website: https://www.meremortalspodcast.com/Discord: https://discord.gg/jjfq9eGReUInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/meremortalspodcast/

The Victory Church Podcast
Keep Your Faith for Healing Strong

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2022 54:41


If you are going to walk in health, the faith in your heart must be stronger than the fear that surrounds us!  In this message, Pastor Mitch talks about biblical and practical approaches we can take to keep your faith for healing based on God's Word instead of fear. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

ZOE Science & Nutrition
How your gut can change your mind

ZOE Science & Nutrition

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2022 40:03 Transcription Available


In a lab in Ireland, a group of scientists stand around a stainless steel table. One of them is holding a device, not unlike a small turkey baster. His free hand plunges into a box on the table and retrieves a mouse. Using his device, he administers the brown solution within…rectally. This unfortunate soul has just received a fecal microbiota transplant. The donor was not another mouse but a human being. And the person in question had symptoms of severe depression. Jonathan speaks to John Cryan, author of the study that showed a relationship between gut and brain. In this episode, we learn more about his fascinating research, how microbes may affect our brain, and to eat to appease your gut bugs. John Cryan is a professor at University College Cork and a world-leading researcher into the relationship between our brain and our gut microbiome.If you want to uncover the right foods for your body, head to joinZOE.com/podcast and get 10% off your personalized nutrition program.Timecodes:00:00 - Introduction02:05 - Quickfire questions03:26 - Are there links between the gut and the brain?06:31 - The gut-brain axis09:17 - How do gut bacteria affect our brains?11:12 - Why does John call the microbiome “the chamber of secrets”?14:20 - Does the microbiome explain drug side effects?15:51 - Are there links between our microbiomes and mental health?20:40 - If we improve our microbiome health can we improve our mental health?24:58 - Can food help improve the microbiome and thus improve mental health?28:33 - Microbiome's effect on behavior29:54 - Actionable advice34:43 - Microbiome in adolescence37:18 - Summary38:26 - Goodbyes38:48 - OutroEpisode transcripts are available here.Follow John: https://twitter.com/jfcryanFollow ZOE on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zoe/This podcast was produced by Fascinate Productions.

The Victory Church Podcast
Jesus Restored Our Authority | Exercise Your Jesus-Given Authority Over Satan (Part 2)

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2022 43:56


Satan is working tirelessly behind the scenes today in every area of life seeking to hinder God's Kingdom and bring about a final rebellion against God culminating in the reign of the antiChrist. The great news is that if we choose to bow down at the feet of Jesus, He will empower us with spiritual authority over Satan. In this message, Pastor Mitch gives us six points on how Jesus has restored this authority over Satan to us and how we can exercise it in our lives. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Aspire with Osha: art, nature, humanity
A Path to Healing with Psilocybin Mushrooms with Body Image Therapist, Laurelee Roark

Aspire with Osha: art, nature, humanity

Play Episode Play 29 sec Highlight Listen Later Nov 6, 2022 15:55


Osha Hayden and Laurelee Roark discuss the healing benefits of psychedelic plant medicine and psilocybin mushrooms. A growing body of scientific research confirms the use of psilocybin for treating issues including depression, PTSD, OCD, and eating disorders. Noted author, Michael Pollan's book, How to Change Your Mind, documents the research and use of psychedelics and its astounding benefits when used in a therapeutic setting. You may have watched his recent Netflix series, How to Change Your Mind. Psychedelics are making news due to the astonishing results which far surpass those achieved through conventional treatments such as anti-depressants. It's interesting to note research that indicates that the anti-depressant medications when used long term for treatment resistant depression may have no more benefit than a placebo. This research is ongoing and should not dissuade a patient from taking anti-depressants in an acute state of depression. As always, if in doubt, check with a medical professional.We talk about the importance of taking plant medicine with a “Sitter” who is trained as a guide to assist participants in their journeys and help integrate the profound epiphanies that often occur.  Many participants who have experienced a therapeutic guided psychedelic journey have stated that the results were life-changing.AboutLauralee Roark, MA, CCHT,  is a Body Image Therapist, educator and author of two books on  recovering from eating disorders. Beyond Hunger https://beyondhunger.org/ is a non-profit dedicated to providing eating girder prevention and education programs.  Listen to her podcast:  It's Not About FoodBooks co-authored by Lauralee Roark & Carol Normandi:It's Not About Food:  End Your Obsession With Food and Weight Over It:  A Teen's Guide to Getting Beyond Obsessions with Food and WeightListen to other episodes featuring Laurelee Roark:Beyond Hunger: Food, Weight and Healing - Chapter 1 with Laurelee Roarkhttps://oshahayden.com/podcast/beyond-hunger-food-weight-and-healing-body-image-therapist-laurelee-roark-chap1/Beyond Hunger:  Food, Weight and Healing - Chapter 2 with Laurelee Roarkhttps://oshahayden.com/podcast/chapter-2-beyond-hunger-food-weight-and-healing-body-image-therapist-laurelee-roark/Laurelee Roark https://www.laureleeroark.com/

Morning Woodward Show
Morning Woodward Show | Friday, November 4th, 2022

Morning Woodward Show

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2022 119:09


Adham Beydoun and Jeff Iafrate preview the upcoming Week 9 matchup between the Green Bay Packers and Detroit Lions, discuss what it'll take for the Lions to change the trajectory of their rebuild and where both the Lions and Packers will be come Monday. The guys will also preview the Michigan vs. Rutgers game, and go around the NFL for all the big games in Week 9.#DetroitLions #GreenBayPackers #WoodwardSports #OnePride #Lions #Packers 00:00 Wings Win on 25th Anniversary - TNF Recap: Eagles Beat Texans15:50 Packers vs. Lions: Who Has More to Lose?29:40 Michigan vs. Rutgers - Michigan Legit Title Contenders?44:00 What Can Dan Campbell do to Change Your Mind?1:01:35 State of the Union: Where will Green Bay & Detroit be after Sunday?1:17:35 Game Previews from Around the NFL1:30:50 How will Lions Offense Flow without Hockenson?1:41:40 Adham's 5 Best Bets of the Weekend1:45:00 Lions vs. Packers Game Predictions1:50:10 MailbagWatch Our Shows Live on YouTube 7 Days a Week!Morning Woodward Show | Monday-Friday 8am-10am Big D Energy | Monday-Friday 11am-1pmErmanni and Edwards | Monday-Friday 2pm-4pmWoodward Heavyweights | Monday-Friday 5pm-7pmFollow The Woodward Sports Network!Twitter: https://twitter.com/woodwardsportsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@woodwardsport...Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/woodwardspo...Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoodwardSports/Download Our App for Apple: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wsn-liv...Download Our App for Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/de...

MAX Afterburner
Ep. 43 - From Fallujah to Homeless in New York City, This Marine Finds Ultimate Healing and Puts the Ladder Down to Save Others

MAX Afterburner

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2022 58:02


Listen to the incredible journey of Justin LaPree, founder of the Heroic Path to Light entheogenic church in Austin, Texas. This incredible Marine, who made a decision that he was already dead, was severely wounded at the Battle of Fallujah, suffering a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). Since this was early on in the Global War On Terrorism, the process to transition comabt vets back to regular life was lacking to say the least. Justin ended up homeless on the streets of New York City until a God moment when a stranger took a chance on him. Justin got a couple suits from a veteran charity and wound up being hired at a Wall Street firm. Following his life long mission of service above self, Justin moved to Austin and entered the fire service, receiving the Medal of Merit for life saving actions responding to a plane crash on 14 March 2019. Still suffering from invisible wounds of war and additional trauma from being a first responder, Justin made it through a failed suicide attempt and heard about the book 'How to Change Your Mind" by Michael Pollan. Justin discovered psychedelics on his own and his healing journey began. Listen as he shares some of his life changing revelations - "it's ok not to be ok" - along with how he found compassion for himself, while his brain experienced neurogenesis. Discover how YOU can heal as well as support the veterans, firemen, and police officers Justin is helping during the first retreat 7-10 November. Please go to https://heroicpathtolight.org/donate/   Support Us - Heroic Path to Light About. Heroic Path to Light not only helps create a world free of suicide but empowers, enlightens and transforms veterans, first responders and grieving spouse communities through community, intentional retreats, professional preparation and integration coaching and alternative healing modalities. heroicpathtolight.org to sponsor a hero for treatment.

The Victory Church Podcast
Exercise Your Jesus-Given Authority Over Satan | Mitch Horton

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2022 54:25


We are living in a day of tremendous spiritual challenge and warfare. We should go into our future knowing that Jesus Christ has equipped us for this season of time before His return, and that we have already won the future battles we face! Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Radical Revenue
Ep. 59: Permission to Change Your Mind Instead of Burning it Down

Radical Revenue

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2022 32:33


Are you wanting to change directions in life or business, but not sure you can? Is it OK to choose a different path even if it means scaling back, doing less, and even making less? And what barometer should we be using to base our decisions on?    Today's episode examines a key aspect of every entrepreneurial journey: changing course. Social media oftens tells us what we “should” be doing and urges us to go after more money, more clients, and more success. But the comparison game can lead us down a road where we forget what we set out to do from the very beginning. It can lead to us forgetting what we ultimately want. So today I invite you to join me for a time to pause, to reflect, and to remember what it is that YOU want. I'll walk you through the BIG business decision that I've recently made and give you all the permission you need to re-evaluate and possibly change direction. Because after all, it's OK to change your mind and I'll tell you why!    This episode is for you if you want to learn:   How to evaluate if it's time for a change   What it actually means when you change your mind (and why it's ok!) What to do when you're tempted to burn it all down and start over The powerful social media post that led to my moment of clarity (What impact does it have on you?) What I realized after NOT winning the lottery How to accept and adapt to the different seasons of life and business What social media is good for (and what it's not!) Why building rest into your schedule is VITAL And much more!    If you want to create a BIG cash injection in your business in the next 30 days AND consistent high-ticket sales month after month, my Moneymaker Intensive is for you! Book your spot here: http://juliabernardthompson.com/intensive    Come join me in my free private Facebook group, Radical Revenue—High-Ticket Sales for Coaches, and continue the conversation! https://www.facebook.com/groups/juliasgroup   

Sex, Drugs, and Jesus
Episode #75: A Historical + Modern View Of Marijuana, Legislating Morality & How Grassroots Organizations Impact Federal Policy, With Emily Dufton, Author, Podcast Host & Drug Historian

Sex, Drugs, and Jesus

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2022 53:21


INTRODUCTION: Emily Dufton“An oracle ofknowledge on all things marijuana” - BostonHeraldI'm a drug historian and writer based near Washington,D.C. I received my BA from New York University and earned my Ph.D. in AmericanStudies from George Washington University. My first book, Grass Roots: The Rise and Fall and Rise of Marijuana inAmerica, traced over 50 years of cannabis activism and wasnamed one of “The8 Best Weed Books to Read Right Now” by RollingStone and one of “The Top 5Cannabis Books to Have In Your Personal Library” by 10buds.com.Since its publication,I've become a commentator on America's changing cannabisscene. I've appeared on CNN,the History Channel andNPR's BackStory with the American History Guys, and my writing has been featured on TIME, CNN,SmithsonianMagazine, and the WashingtonPost. I'm currentlyworking on my second book, Addiction,Inc.: Medication-Assisted Treatment and the War on Drugs (under contractwith the University of Chicago Press). It's the history of the development andcommercialization of the opioid addiction medication industry. In 2021 I won a LukasWork-in-Progress Award to help finance its writing. In 2022 I won a Robert B. SilversGrant. I'm deeply grateful for all the support.I'm also a podcasthost on the NewBooks Network, where I interview authors on new books about drugs,addiction and recovery. I live in the People's Republic of TakomaPark, Maryland, with my husband Dickson Mercerand our two children.  INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):  ·      A Look At The History Of Marijuana ·      Emily's Halloween Candy Advice·      De'Vannon's Experience With Hallucinogenics·      Great Grassroots Advice For Marijuana/Drug Activists ·      President Joe Biden's Major Moves For Marijuana·      The Inappropriate Relationship Between - Church + Media + Government·      Political Influences And Implications On Drugs·      The Balance Between Parents Rights And Kids Rights·      How Grassroots Organizations Impact Federal Policy·      Why We Shouldn't Assume Decriminalization Is Here To Stay  CONNECT WITH EMILY: Website: https://www.emilydufton.com/Grass Roots: https://www.emilydufton.com/grass-rootsLinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3ganBPgFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/emily.duftonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/author_emily_dufton/Twitter: https://twitter.com/emily_duftonMedium: https://medium.com/@ebdufton   CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Emily Dufton is an author, podcast host, and a drug historian who has blessed the world with a phenomenal book, which is entitled Grass Roots. The rise and fall and rise of marijuana in America. This book offers phenomenal advice for marijuana slash drug activists and encourages us to not arrest on our laurels, assuming that drug decriminalization is here to stay.Now, I fell in love with Ms. Emily when I discovered her while [00:01:00] listening to the, the. To The ReidOut podcast hosted by the great Joy-Ann Reid over on msnbc, and it was a surreal delight to sit down and talk with Emily about what's going on with drugs right now, as well as what was going on with drugs back then.Also, would like everyone to please check out our YouTube channel because for this very special episode, Emily and I have dawned our Halloween costumes. She's a hot dog, and I'm Fred Flintstone, and you have got to check them out. Have a super safe Halloween everyone.Hello and happy Halloween everyone, and welcome to this very special edition of The Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. I wish you all a very, very spooky weekend. I have with me the great. Multi talented, multifaceted, delicious, and nutritious. Emily din, How are you, girl? Emily: Oh my God, I'm feeling delicious and nutritious.Thank [00:02:00] you. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm De'Vannon: so fucking lely. Like you look delicious and nutritious. So you're dressed as a hot dog. I am. So I'm curious and you told me, Previously that you're a hot dog every year, and so I've been wondering, so some years, are you like a vegan hot dog another year?You're like a Polish sausage. You switch up the bond, like how exactly does it go? Emily: Oh, the hot dog is in the eye of the beholder. I, that's how it is. I think, you know, I live in Tacoma Park, Maryland. It's known as the Berkeley of the East. I think many people see me as a tofu dog, as a beyond beyond.Hot dog. Others as DC adjacent, you know, were like, I could be a half smoke. I could be, I'm just I just wear this because it's a costume I found on the side of the street in Capitol Hill in DC where I was living at the time, and I thought, [00:03:00] This is amazing. Someone is just giving away a hot dog costume.I'm going to give it a home and I'm going to be a hot dog every year from now until it literally falls apart. And so that's why I'm a hot dog every year. De'Vannon: looks brand new. I love it. Emily: Thank you. It gets washed from time to time. De'Vannon: from time. Good time. Look, I love me a good wier girl. So , Emily: I could be, I could be the wier of your dreams.Who knows? Let's see. We can put the, the top up for a minute. See you. De'Vannon: It's great. That is one. Okay. All right. There y'all. So . So Emily is an author and a drug historian. She holds a PhD in American Studies from George Washington University. She is the author of a fabulous book called Grassroots, the Rise and Fall and Rise of Marijuana in America.Has to do with how, how, how, how, [00:04:00] how earnest hippies, frightened parents suffering patients and other ordinary Americans went to war over the marijuana. It was a little mm-hmm. description I had of that. Before we go much further, I wanna take a moment to give a shout out to Ms. Joy and re over at the readout on msnbc, because that is how I discovered.Oh wow. . I saw you on her podcast and then I heard what you had to say about your grassroots book, and then I fell in love with you and when I built up the courage and got, got, got more bodies of works under my belt, I sent you a message, you know, hoping and praying that you would respond and you did.And so, Emily: Paul touch my heart. I'm so happy to be here. And honestly, like I The idea that, that, oh, you would be at all nervous to talk to me, makes me just like ache a little bit on the inside. I'm so happy to talk to you and this is such an honor for me to [00:05:00] be here. We are. You wrote a book, We Are equals, We know, We know what it is to go into the, the pain cave of writing and, and try to create something intelligible and lengthy about complicated subjects.You know, so writer to writer, you and I are, we are. Eye to eye. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you. De'Vannon: The sausage and so, So I'm like a glittery version of Fred Flinstone because, As far as I'm concerned, we all know what Fred Freestone and Barney Rubble were really doing over in Bed Rock, Honey and Emily: Rock. I mean, come on.Yeah, it was right inDe'Vannon: Barney Rubs a total bottom. I know. It . So, So in your own words, I've given like my take on, is there anything you'd like to say about yourself, your own personal history or anything? Emily: Gosh. [00:06:00] Like, like about writing grassroots or about like what? Like about me as a human being. De'Vannon: Anything about you at all.Your favorite color, Favorite place you've traveled. We're gonna get into grassroots right after you. Tell us whatever you'd like to say. Just about yourself. Oh my at all since I've already given a little history, so you don't have to Oh, Emily: lovely. I'm a Piy, Sun Sagittarius, Rising Pisces Moon. I have two children a boy who's six and a little girl who's almost three.I'm working on my second book right now, which is about the history of medication assisted treatment for opioid use disorder, and I won a couple grants to fund the work, and it's been super awesome. And hopefully I'm gonna go to Switzerland either at the end of this year or the beginning of next year to compare addiction treatment programs over there with America's treatments.So those are, I think by far the most pertinent facts about me that everyone should, [00:07:00] should know. .De'Vannon: I think those are pretty damn good and relevant facts. the, the, the resurgence of healing with the drugs. Look, I just got back from Portland, Oregon dealing shrooms. And sell. So that is a cell aside, but, and what the fuck else I did?Mdm a I had never been shrooms before in my life and since I'm a veteran who suffers from ptsd, O C D and you know, all of these things and I saw on Netflix and the How to Change Your Mind documentary on PBS history of Mil illness. Documentary, how they've been using these hallucinogenics to help veterans.And I thought, Okay, I'm not gonna wait for this to be approved. I'm gonna fly my happy ass up here and do these shrooms. Man, it took seven grams for me to like fill anything. And apparently that's like a lot. And wow. I don't know, apparently besides the Emily: social work. Oh, that context. Yeah. So you did like an official, like, like clinical trial?It De'Vannon: wasn't a trial I paid for this. I [00:08:00] found a social worker who was willing to to do it in a psychiatric setting. Uhhuh, he feel like his woods are like an hour north of Portland into his cabin in the woods. So that, cuz he was like insistent that the environment be like, Right. And so it was like a guided assistant thing.It was, it was clinical, but I paid for it. I wasn't, I didn't wait for a trial Emily: to come. Totally, totally understood. That's awesome. How was it? Was it a good experience?De'Vannon: It follows me, so in a good way. So like if I smoke weed, it does not have an effect on me. I've tried different strands, different states, different times.I used to sell the hell out of it back in my drug dealing days, but I never fool with it too much. I used to sell shrooms. I never did 'em either. But I have discovered that if I do like a CBD gummy, I will be sitting around looking like EE from South Park. I feel that. But, so the, the C B D [00:09:00] does the same thing that the MDM A and the shrooms did.It quiet hit my mind. So I was expecting to have one of those like, really jerky experiences like I saw in the documentary, but that did not happen for me at all because my mind is always like this with the OCD and the PTSD and everything. Mm-hmm. . So for me, what those, what those hallucinogenics did was it just neutralized.And so I was just like, still just silent, quiet. And so I have found things that I used to, that I used to have anxiety over. I don't anymore. And so basically that peace, it, it attached itself to me in those, in that state of mind. Emily: I love that. So, so quieted your minds downed. How long did the quietness.De'Vannon: It's ongoing. So I was, while the drugs had their effect on me, okay, on this room, you know, the trees started to like move and the prints, you know, the pattern in the carpet started [00:10:00] dancing and doing his own thing and whatnot. So that was kind of freaky. But once that all settled down, , you know, you know, So it's not like it was, I, I have found, this has been like maybe three weeks ago that I was in Portland.It hasn't changed. You know, I still feel peace. It's like, and I experienced the same thing when I started experiment, the CBD gummies, which has only been like maybe two or three months ago. Mm-hmm. That I discovered that these gummies will have an impact on me. That's interesting. It's like, it's, it's a permanent thing with me.Emily: Wow. And have you had any kind of I don't know, like sessions or counseling or anything to kind of talk about like, But you know, sort of digesting the effects of it or like, maybe I don't even, I don't even know what the word is, but have, have you communicated at all with the guy who led the session since he, De'Vannon: He was, he is open to that and he wanted to schedule a follow up, but [00:11:00] I, and I can reach out to him if I want to, Emily, but I, I was ready, you know, like writing my blog and my books in the show and I see a, a social worker every week anyway.I see a licensed family marriage, the. A couple of times a month for me and my boyfriend, and then I see a hypno therapist once a month. And so I'm always professing and manifesting the change that I want. I went into it already. I didn't really embody to do too much handholding, and I'm all like, I'm ready to let this shit go.Like we talk about it, but it's already done . Emily: That's great. And this is the thing that allowed you to do that. Like you're just like, I just need that final push to get it out. Right. I love that there's a guy. Oh yeah. Sorry. Keep going. De'Vannon: You go, You're the guest girl. Oh, Emily: no. I'm just saying there's someone so I live right outside of DC in Tacoma Park, Maryland, and which I think I've said already but.There's this doctor who just moved here and [00:12:00] started a practice where he's doing exactly that. He's using Ketamine though. And so he's doing these like lead ketamine therapy sessions. And then afterwards he offers sessions to, I'm trying to remember like the verb he used. It wasn't like aggregate, but it was like to sort of like digest the experience.So you have this experience with ketamine that will hopefully release in the patient, the same kind of things that released in your experience. And then he would kind of provide the counseling or the, the therapy sessions to help sort of bring, make, make manifest the effects. And I thought, Oh my God, like, here it is.It's, it's, it's here. You know, like sort of this pro, this ability to access these drugs in a therapeutic. You know, private, like obviously like , you know, industrial way, but it's here. And God, that is like 10 years ago. I think experiences like yours are like the one that this doctor is offering would've been like [00:13:00] unimaginable.And yet now they're here and they're moving into all these communities. You know, it's not just Portland, Oregon, it's like here in, right outside of DC it's everywhere. And that to me is a totally fascinating aspect of like drug policy in the United States. It's wild. Totally. De'Vannon: I'm so happy to have it here too.But as you warn in your book grassroots that we're about to get into you know, these things tend to come and. At times. Yeah. Because this wasn't the first time that we were on the border of finding therapeutic uses for drugs before the drug war on drugs. Shut it down. Right. And so we're happy to have it back.And towards the end of the interview, I was most intrigued with the, the six lessons that you have for grassroots advocate for people at the end. And so I really gotta let you give that advice because I really feel like people need to hear that because people. Are feeling really grass rooty these days.It'll be . Emily: That's true. ,De'Vannon: it would be great for them to to to hear, hear [00:14:00] your advice so that they can be helped. Emily: I had to go get my copy. I haven't looked at that in a while. That's right. I forgot. I had like six little lessons in the back. Yeah. The one I remember, the Yes. Make your argument as sympathetic as possible was lesson one.Mm-hmm. . Because the more you center like a really sympathetic identity in the middle of your campaign, the more likely people are to. Feel bad for you and generate empathic warmth and support, right? Which is why you always see like puppies, like with their ribs exposed cuz they're starving in the rain, chained to a box and you're like, Please take my money to save the puppy.Lesson two. It's all about the money, which is exactly what we were talking about. Money buys influence. Lesson three, Be prepared to watch your progress disappear. Lesson four, don't rely too heavily on the White House. Lesson five, Respect your opposition and lesson six, keep a sense of perspective.Wow. I forgot I wrote these. That's so interesting. Yeah, [00:15:00] like, you know what's, Sorry, De'Vannon: keep going. No saying. So. We'll talk about those towards the end, cuz I thought those would be cute. Okay. So you can just kind of like, you know, peruse over that while we're going through. And and then of course people go by the books.So if you're a grassroots person and you wanna figure out. How to escape some pitfalls and things like that. I think this is a really good book and if you wanna have insight cause we're all also passionate about this, you know, this resurgence and everything. But I think that your book, you know, is like so evergreen, you know, in the, in the sense that, you know, it's an ongoing battle in this country because as you say, it's the rise, the fall, the rise, you know, it goes back and forth.There's no reason for us to be so arrogant as to assume that it can't fall again, because as you lay out in the book, every time we have. Arise for decriminalization. There's an opposing force that wants to fight that. Right. And so, and it was no different then. It's the same way now. So you wanted to give a warning though, for Halloween candy.I [00:16:00] wanted to be sure that we have time for that, because that was something you specifically requested. And so tell us your, this is, this is Emily's warning about this Halloween came to y'all. Oh Emily: my God. It's less of warning and just more of like a. I, I just every year, Well, this year in particular, I feel like there have been a lot of news stories about the rainbow colored fentanyl that apparently is going to show up in children's Halloween staes nationwide.And I love it because like, it just goes to show how. Drugs. The concept of drugs, right? When we talk about drugs, we're never just talking about drugs, right? We're always talking about larger issues and larger questions and larger ideas. And I feel like this, like the new fear of 2022, Halloween, 2022 of Fentanyl being dispersed widely in like Halloween candy is just, it's a really convenient vehicle for like political mud slinging, right?And. [00:17:00] You know, so the right can mud sling at the left by saying, Oh, it's the liberal's open border policies that is allowing Mexican cartels to funnel this rainbow colored fentanyl across the borders. And now it's gonna, now my kid's gonna eat it thinking it's a sweet tart and die. So that's how, like the right is mudslinging the left and then the left mud slings the right in return by saying, right.You're so stupid. No drug dealer is going to give away drugs for free. That is not how drug dealing works. . So there's just this and like, you know, so whenever we're talking about drugs, we're always talking about so much more than just drugs. Like there, like the concept of drugs is weighted with all of these other topics that we like, press upon it.And it becomes something that's like, kind of like a football, right? It's just always being thrown back and forth, you know? People are always going to use the concept of drugs or the concept of punishment or the concept of treatment as a political vehicle to achieve [00:18:00] other ends, right? Whether those are financial or moral or law enforcement, whatever.But I just feel like the Halloween candy saga that we go through every year is like kind of a good sort of visual entry point on to this topic that like, Drugs are always much more than just drugs, right? There are ways for us to discuss as Americans and as human beings, concepts that are obviously like much more complicated and oftentimes more complex than just like fentanyl or pot or whatever else itself.So I guess that's like my opening concept for conversation . De'Vannon: Yes, as a former drug dealer, I can attest to what Mr. Mrs. Dustin is saying is true. We don't to run around giving away drugs for free honey, especially not to little children who don't have money to come back and buy any once they get addicted.That's . Emily: It's, it is a profoundly bad marketing plan. No one [00:19:00] benefits from it. No one benefits . De'Vannon: But you know, just like, you know, as you state in your book You know, the fear mongering, you know, the fear mongering is like a big deal coming from the left. And so, I mean, coming from the right and so Emily: and sometimes the De'Vannon: left , it can, it can, mm-hmm.it pains me to say, but it's just so true. You know, Emily: sometimes we have to be honest about our own, you know, . De'Vannon: You know what? I don't, I don't, I don't want, I don't want a political party. I just wanna be like me. I just wanna be like me. I know. Whatever makes free to be you and me. What do you think about what Biden did though with the rolling back the the, the, the legal, the, the cases against people with the marijuana charges?Emily: I mean, it was really interesting, right? It was kind of came out in nowhere, right? He hadn't talked [00:20:00] much about. Marijuana policy at all on the campaign trail or during these first two years? I remember Kamala Harris during the Vice presidential debate was the very first presidential or vice presidential candidate to ever say during a debate, like, Yes, I support decriminalization.And she said that. So Kamala mentioned it, but like Biden never did. So he comes out and he makes this announcement and. Like it's immediate effect is going to be relatively small because the only marijuana convictions he's allowed to overturn are ones that he can control and he can only control federal convictions for possession.And that's not the, like that many it's about 6,500 nationally and it's, I don't know the number. No one would gave it. No one would give it. But it's also convictions for possession in DC because DC is federal. So that actually, that number might be more considerable than 6,500, but like I have not seen [00:21:00] a news outlet give it yet.But anyway, like that's pretty small compared to the millions of people who have been arrested. It's kind of a drop in the bucket. But what he also said was he was going to talk to eight, the Department of Health and HHS Health and Human. Services. He's going to talk to the FDA and he is going to talk to the DEA for the three federal agencies in charge of drug policy and talk about, and he wanted to talk about descheduling cannabis.So right now, pot is a schedule one drug and it's been a Schedule one drug since 1970. And, Being schedule one, that means that the federal government considers it to have no medical utility and a high risk for abuse, which is of course very silly. Since 1996, it became medical marijuana. So of course it has some medical utilities.Schedule one placement has been kind of nuts for at least since 1996. [00:22:00] He wants to talk about descheduling it, taking it outta the schedules completely. And if you deschedule a. That means it can become a legitimate legal marketplace item like cigarettes or alcohol. It could become a commercial product, and that is a really big decision.It's already kind of becoming a commercial product, but those industries are like very cottage still. Like there is a huge medical marijuana industry and there is a growing recreational cannabis industry, but there's still like, In the span of things, right, Like along the spectrum of, of products, it's still fairly small.So to deschedule it completely and turn it into a commercial product that would transform the cannabis industry in the United States and ultimately worldwide. So it's a huge decision. It's a huge, it's this, this the beginning of a huge conversation. So like right [00:23:00] after he made that announcement it was right before last weekend.People were like, I didn't really know what to make of it, honestly. But the more I've read, like things on Twitter from people I respect and some articles, the more I realize he's launching like a pretty huge conversation. And now would be the time for activists who are interested in creating, as, you know, equitable and kind.Fundamentally good natured and industry as possible, like now would be the time for them to really get involved because, you know, conversations about, about descheduling are happening and those are, those are important. And you know, the time to influence the marketplaces now cuz it's starting to take shape, which is crazy.I mean, it's like the same thing we were talking about before where like now you can go someplace and have like ketamine treatment, like these things are available. So it's time to figure out what, like we actually want the industry to look. De'Vannon: [00:24:00] Hell yeah. Something to tap into that energy and push it forward.I feel you on that. So, so, so in your book, you, you take us from like prohibition back in the first part of the last century, you know, all the way up to the day and I thought it was very artfully done. So I wanted to read a little excerpt about about the way. Marijuana was viewed back then from way back in 1917 from, from your book, if I may.And so those said, the 1917 report from the Treasury Department noted that in Texas only Mexicans and sometimes Negroes and lower class whites smoked the marijuana for pleasure and warned that that drug crazed minorities could harm or assault upper class white women. I felt like this, you know, that sort of thinking still informs policy today and I felt like when movies like The Terrible [00:25:00]Truth and Reefer Madness, which you mentioned, the book came out, I felt like that was like media's way of locking arms with the government and echoing what they're saying.And you don't really get into too religion deeply. But I feel like the church also. Touched and agreed. Yes. Emily: So, so the church was responsible for paying for the production of the movie Reef for Madness. I don't which church it, it was, I don't remember, but it was funded by Evangelical Christians. There you go.There's your connection. Mm-hmm. . De'Vannon: And see, I don't know, like, I, I hate the fact that the church. I would've rather the church stand up and say, You know what? It's not for the government to enforce morality because God is not forced. He's always gave the children of Israel a choice. He never came down here and mandated things in the way that we're trying to mandate them.So why don't we back off and leave this whole morality [00:26:00] thing to the church instead? The church was like, Well, we like to control people. The government likes to control people, so why don't we see if we can control them all together? Hmm. So I Emily: collaborate. Oh my God, it's so true. And it's been so powerful, like for so long, for so long.But it's true, like can you legislate morality? I mean, like, that's just this eternal question and you know, you really, you really can't, you can't punish someone until they're good. It just doesn't work that way. You. De'Vannon: No, nobody responds to that. You know, our children don't. And I love that your kids are like, pretty much the same age as my two kids, which happen to be like Maine Coon mixed cats.You know, My oldest boys about is about to be six in March, and then my girl is threeOh, Emily: we have babies the same age. That's so funny. That's crazy. Wild. But it's true, like you can't make them be good through [00:27:00] fear or punishment like ever. Ever and . And then it just always makes things worse. It always makes things worse. And that's why like, I mean, that's why it's so hard oftentimes to have like rational discussions about things like drugs or religion because like people just get too emotionally involved and you kind of think like, you're gonna, you're gonna believe my way or I'm going to hurt you.Like I'm going to defend this to the point of violence. And it's just like, that's why I , some people get mad at me. Grassroots because they felt like I didn't take a firm enough stand, you know, either way. And some people also like seem to have a really hard, a hard, they seem to have some difficulty with differentiating between smoking pot and writing about pot as like a historical phenomenon.So like a lot of people just like make these really dumb jokes, like yeah, I bet you're using a lot. Grass when you're writing grassroots or whatever. And I was like, No. I was writing like a [00:28:00] deeply researched, like historical book based off of my PhD dissertation. Like, no, I wasn't high the whole time. Like, that's ridiculous.But people were upset with me because I wasn't taking firm enough stand. Like I wasn't coming out like very strongly as an activist for legalization or, or alternatively against it. I didn't make my, my political position clear enough. And I don't know if. Like in the same way you're saying like, Well who should legislate morality?You know, in the same way, I don't feel like history books necessarily have to be legislating morality, right? Like I don't feel like I needed to tell people what to believe. I just wanted to tell them what happened and how we got here. So that as things move forward and as we continue to watch this really like unique historical period evolve, we'll be more prepared to understand.The potential downsides that might occur or the potential benefits that might occur, and like try to maybe guide the process [00:29:00] more toward the benefits, like rather than the downsides. So it's, you know, I do feel like there's a real need to understand drugs in like a non-emotional, non hot take, non, like just understanding them as like a historical artifact where.Certain things have happened from 1917 to today to create the world we live in, and we should probably understand how we got here. And so I wrote a book about it, , and now we're talking about it. All right, , De'Vannon: just bring it full circle. I love it. And you're right, your book is very energetically neutral. It is very energetically like neutral.Yeah, I did pick up on that. And you know, most of you know historians, they just tell what happened and so I, you know, I was interviewing somebody else and I was, and he had gotten some reviews that kind of roughed his feathers and I was telling him, You know what, I'll tell you the same thing. Like Amazon and all these different book places don't.Perform mental health test [00:30:00] on people who go in there and leave reviews . So there's no tell on what you're gonna get, so Emily: please gimme the most recent report from your therapist before you post on this review. . Oh my God. The best review I got was someone was really mad that I was mean to Nancy Reagan, and they were like, it's not like she committed tax fraud.Nancy Reagan's not that bad. And I was like, Is that your bar? Like tax fraud? Or? So that was everyone else's reviews on Amazon are almost all from my friends, so those are all nice that Perfect. They're all the friends. I ask like, Please leave an Amazon review for my book. Thank you. De'Vannon: Hey, nothing like that inner circle chosen family, baby.Oh baby. That person commented on the tax fraud, though, probably commits tax fraud and they were projecting that. Oh my Emily: god. 100%. De'Vannon: Yeah. . So I wanted to talk about Atlanta 1976 because. [00:31:00] I felt like Miss, Miss Marsha Sard, and I have to admit when I read that name immediately, Andrew DeMar Shinard from Rent from the MusicalOh my God. It came to my mind and I had to go look it up. I was like, Is there a relation here today, tomorrow for me? What's going on ? So, but there is no relation. So it's, it's Emily: inside a gay boy. No, I can't unsee it. I can't unsee it. De'Vannon: and Atlanta especially. Cause my boyfriend is from Atlanta, you know, from that area.And so Hills, well todo neighborhood. Marsha is you know, she's walks into like her teens having this party and everyone's. you know, paring it up. Her and her husband go out fine, like the weed butts and everything like that. And, and then she goes run snitch to all the other parents because of course there was other teenage there.And we all know [00:32:00] snitches get stitches, y'all. And so what I documented was the parents' reactions usually that the parents' reactions ran the gamut from shock, confusion, indignation, concern, denial, and hostility. Now in the book, you, you know, this woman is like, Slated to be a Democrat. Mm-hmm. . And so that really, really shocked me.And and her, her emotions. I don't feel like those emotions have changed over the years. I feel like that's the same way people react to Dave. Would you agree? Emily: Yeah, I think, I think you're onto something there. Yeah. Like it, it was her, her politics are really interesting. So Keith, she goes by Keith, which again is kind of.You have to get, wrap your head around this woman, this like mom of three who goes by Keith. And then it's hard cuz I'm also writing about Keith Strop, the founder of Normal, the National Organization for the reform of marijuana laws, which are like, you know, going gangbusters at this time. [00:33:00]So there's a lot of Keith's, you know, so keep the Keiths straight in your mind.But so Keith Shart is this mom She has a PhD in British literature. She's not teaching, but her husband is at Emory, and so she's like home with these kids. So like I see her as being really smart. probably pretty bored, right? Being home with kids, like when you have a PhD and you're clearly like a life of the mind kind of person.Being home with little kids can be like really boring and you can have like maybe a lot of leftover energy. And so she throws this like backyard birthday party for her 13 year old daughter. And like the kids are acting weird and she's kind of freaking out and she sees like they're up in their bedroom, like looking out in the backyard, her and her husband and they see the lighters flicker in the bushes, but they assume it's cigarettes.But the kids are like really acting funny. And so once everybody leaves, they go into the backyard and they're searching around and they [00:34:00] find. Roaches. And they also find like, like alcohol containers, right? So the kids aren't just smoke smoking pot, they're, they're drinking too. , The scandal, the scandal 13, I mean 13 is young.Like for, like, I was not, I was not playing those games at 13, but I understand that my experience is not the experience of everyone. And, and now I'm like, as a mom, I'm kind of like, Oh, if I caught Henry doing that, like I'd be probably be pretty pissed. But but anyway, so she. She goes into like hardcore activist mode, like right away, you know, she was like, Boom.And she is buoyed by the concepts of. Second wave feminism that are like really prominent at the time where you do consciousness raising groups and you get together with people who are sharing your same experience and you talk about it, right? Because the personal is political and you try to figure out a way to change society for the better.Like that is very much like the kind of social [00:35:00] milu that shoe hard is coming from in, in 76 in Atlanta. Because remember, like Atlanta's pretty liberal at this time. Like Jimmy Carter is governor and he is running for president. You know, like it's the bicentennial. Everybody's like super patriotic, right?It's an interesting time. So she gets together with all the other parents and she's like, Our kids are smoking pot. This seems to be an issue like this. This. This is, this is something we should probably pay attention to. And she kind of blames it on the fact that for the past three years, more and more states had steadily been decriminalizing marijuana possession.So it started in Oregon in 73, but by 76, I think there were probably like,Probably like six, five or six states by that point that had decriminalized, right? Georgia wasn't one of them, but others did. And so there's this burgeoning drug paraphernalia industry, like basically just like today, this was happening in the mid, the early [00:36:00] 1970s where like. A semi-legal cannabis marketplace was taking shape in America.And when a marketplace builds and expands, more people tend to utilize it. So more people were using pot, more people were smoking pot, and then it was trickling down and it was getting to kids. So like Keith Shoe hard's, daughter 13 found some pot and was smoking it at her birthday party. And like that made shard really upset.So even though she was a Democrat and she was a liberal, She was really opposed to what the liberal agenda had pushed, which was decriminalization. So she starts basically a nationwide grassroots army of parents to overturn decriminalization laws and kind of stop the burgeoning paraphernalia industry.And it just so happens that in 1984 years later, when Ronald Reagan gets elected, he takes their concept. Nationalizes [00:37:00] it further and then turns it into federal policy. So it was the parent movement that gave us basically the entire concept of just say no. So yeah, the 1980s were birthed in the 1970s in Atlanta, Georgia in 1976.De'Vannon: Right. And right. Thank you for breaking that down so beautifully. And I, and I felt like from, from the way that you wrote, you really, really wanted people to know the importance that small community groups like this actually, the impact that they have on federal policy, not as, so that we don't undervalue this or underestimate.Totally. Emily: And so it's amazing. Well, when you tap into a zeitgeist like that, like, like what, what Shoe hard and other people in Atlanta tapped into was something that And ended up people were feeling nationwide. And that's the exact same thing that was happening with medical marijuana laws. And it's the exact same thing that's happening with legalization laws now.I mean, people are tapping into like it's a zeitgeist straight now. You know? Like more like I think Maryland, where I live is, I think we're [00:38:00] voting to legalize this. I think we're voting to legalize next month. Like it's movement, baby. It's movement. De'Vannon: May the force be with you? May Emily: the force be, I think it'll pass pretty easily.I think it'll pass pretty easily. Now it's just a matter of what the market will look like, what we'll actually do with it in the. Which is crazy. It's a De'Vannon: step. The thing that stood out to me about Mrs. Manas, was she, she, she kept saying like, it was like, for the children, you, the children, half of the children, you know, I'm getting like flashbacks to one division, you know, for Disney when they're, you know, her and vision, you know, Wanda Envision, you know, wanting to max him off.Yeah. Marvel, you know, I'm like, geeking out right now. But , they kept saying that thing for the children and there weren't any fucking children. Because she had, she had put 'em all to sleep, but she, I, I was like, Okay, I wonder if she asked the children what they want or was she just using them to enforce her agenda every time?I see like a [00:39:00] politician, especially like, I mean, you know, especially like the Republican and stuff like that, wanting to enact negative policies on behalf of veterans. For instance, me being a military veteran, I always, I'm like, I don't want you to do that. Like everything you're doing, I don't want you to do.You didn't ask me . So, but they're like, Our veterans wouldn't want my choice. Yeah. no. And so, I don't know. That stood out to me like right, like the children, but they don't. I don't know what to call that. What do you call that when people do that? Are they, are they calling themselves doing it in the name of righteousness?Are they getting, Now you're a parent now, so you have this feeling. Would you go and do something this adverse on behalf of your children without consulting their opinion FirstAnd I don't understand Emily: that they prefer that. Right. They would love to, they'd love to gimme their opinions. Right. But you know, I. I think you're to a really important question, right? Which is like, [00:40:00] where do the rights of children end and the rights of adults begin, right? So like when, when Keith, Shar, and every and everybody else in the parent movement is saying, Oh my God.We have to repeal decriminalization laws because of the children. Like do it for the children. The children are being harmed by these drugs. But then that transforms from like, we have to have these laws for the children to, We have to excessively punish. Adults for drug possession or dealing or whatever else excessively punish them.Like especially after the 1986 Drug Abuse Act, right? When you're getting mandatory minimums of 5, 10, 15 years when we're locking up millions of people for drug possession. Like where does the rights of children end And like the range of adults in and the pushback to that. But what about the children line of thought did finally start to come in the nineties, right?[00:41:00] When marijuana legalization efforts dovetailed with the gay rights movement in what I think is just one of the most fascinating, like historical co ever, right? So in California, in San Francisco, as AIDS is starting to. Decimate the gay population. You have a couple of activists, including Dennis Perran and Brownie Mary Rath Fund, whose real name is Mary Jane, which is crazy.They're using marijuana to like give to these aids patients who, like doctors don't wanna touch, nobody wants to get near them. No one knows what to do. No one knows how to treat hiv. It's brand new. Right? And Brownie Mary and Dennis Perran are. Have a, have a pot and infuse brownie, like you're gonna get your appetite back, Your nausea is gonna chill out.You're gonna feel pretty good. You're gonna have some energy. You can like go to the [00:42:00] bank. You can do like an errand right before you die. A horribly of aids like my God. Right? So they're saying, where did the rights of children end? Yes. We kept children so safe from pot that like by the early eighties, like no one is smoking pot anymore and we're locking.Tens of thousands of people, right? Like every month, right? Okay, great. We've done it. We won the drug war. But now it turns out this substance does have some medical utility for a patient group that is increasingly becoming like really sympathetic. You know, like cuz you have, I mean Arthur Ash contracts, hiv God, that little boy got it through like a blood transfusion or something.So you start to like have like really sympathetic feelings towards, Oh, Princess Diana visits the HIV clinic in the San Francisco General Hospital. Right? Like suddenly it becomes really sympathetic and laws start to change, right? Suddenly adults rights, especially like adults dying of AIDS and cancer, like their rights become much more important than protecting children from pot.And then, [00:43:00] Can kind of move like fast forward into the two thousands. 2010, the legalization movement joins with the social justice movement. So in 2010, Michelle Alexander publishes her book The New Jim Crow, Mass Incarceration in the Age of Color Blindness, which is canonical at this point. Canonical, I tell you, and like it is all.The effects of locking up nonviolent offenders, the vast majority of which are black men. Like, well, what have we done in America By locking up millions of people, more people, more black people are incarcerated in the United States than in South Africa at the height of apartheid. Like what effects does that have culturally, socially, economically?It has effects. And she lays them out and we're all like, Oh my God. Now we know. And laws started to change right after that, right? In 2012, you have the first states legalized Colorado and Washington by combining legalization [00:44:00] with calls for social justice, right? If cannabis is the source of massive amounts of black incarceration, legalized cannabis, right?That's one way to like act on social justice, and it was also legalized through. Outright calls for generating tax revenue, right? Like here is something that we can legalize and tax the be Jesus out of. And not only are we like doing good on social justice initiatives, but we're also gonna make a boatload of money.Like it's a total win-win at the moment. And that's basically, again, arguments for the rights of adults, right? Should we, should we incarcerate X number of million of people, millions of people for cannabis possession? So again, like. Argument for its children's rights, which was like so immensely powerful in the 1970s and eighties has now I would say, really been pushed to the back burner by almost three decades of really concerted and very powerful and very influential activism for adults rights to access cannabis, [00:45:00] for medical, and then social justice and economic initiatives.De'Vannon: And that's the tea. Y'all, Y'all have it? Emily . Emily: There's, there's 50 years of cannabis history guys. Woo. . De'Vannon: And, you know, I work with you know, so many people right now, and I, and I, I love how you, I feel like your book is almost like a, a user's manual for people who wanna get into this fight. You know, you're giving historical context, you're giving advice and everything.And so You know, I'm thinking about, you know, a friend of mine if her name is iFit Harvey, she runs the people of Color Collective. People of color, Psychedelic Collective, which is based out of New York City. And you know, and I, and I work with them, you know, I just did an interview, you know, for, I gave them an interview the other day and we were talking about like you know, marijuana, you know, the way it's, you know, criminalized here in Louisiana where I live versus where one of their.[00:46:00]Satellite locations is in Oregon, in Portland. And so, you know, things like this are very helpful you know, for young people cuz these people are really, really like young who have started this, you know, psychedelic collective and everything like that. And so I think, yeah. Right. I think books like this are so like, useful.So we're nearing the end of our hour and so I just wanted to mention. You mentioned normal earlier. I wanna tell people that stands for the I think you said, at the National Organization for the Reform rather than repe of marijuana laws. And then we'll go right into talking about like your your lessons and things like that.And, and we may just pick like one or two that that's important to you. But and so another little, a final ex sweep from the book. I'm channeling my inner Bugs Bunny, so an ex. From the book, it says normal, you know, or ML argue that marijuana smokers or consumers not deviance and deserve the same rights to protection and [00:47:00] safety as any other group.Including access to the drug without pollutants or contaminants. A competitive marketplace free from monopolies and conglomerates, and especially freedom from harassment by the poll lease. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. felt like a, a Southern Sunday. GodEmily: I love it. I want you to record the audio book. That's great. I love it. . De'Vannon: Oh, I'll do it. I love getting on this microphone right here and do it. I did my own audio book. Oh, that's awesome. And so I wanted to bring that up because like you had normal fighting for it. You had Miss, Miss Minnaar fighting against it back then.Like you say in the book, we have the same thing now because I don't want people to wrestling their laurels and get so comfortable thinking that it's a home run. It's a clean slate. You know? We must stay vigilant. Emily: Mm. Yes, totally. I think that's, I mean, it, it does [00:48:00] feel like to me, I feel like. Pot becomes the scariest drug around when there's no other boogie in.So in like the 1970s, early 1970s when the first decriminalization laws were being passed, we're also kind of going through a heroin epidemic, right? And right now we've been going through the opioid epidemic for like, whoa, 30 years or so, . But it's kind of coming to its natural. At the same time that the legal cannabis marketplace is really starting to heat up and when opioids become like, when there's no like, like meth was a boogieman for a while.Crack was a boogieman for a while, but opioids have been a bo the boogieman for like 30 years. And if that starts to tamp down, if we start to feel less scared about that and there's like sort of like a void in like the drug boogieman cuz you know, we always need a drug boogieman. We're America, we need a drug boogieman and.Pot. Well sometimes I think come back and fill that [00:49:00] role. Like there, there could be widespread rejection of the legal marketplace. I mean, in certain places, right? Like in Massachusetts that legalized. However long ago, some communities don't want it, and they are allowed to say within that state's jurisdiction.We do not want any cannabis marketplaces within our community borders. So there's gonna be some nimbyism and there's going to be some nimbyism like, yes, in my backyard to it. But again, it's, you don't know what's like, we don't know what's going to happen. This is a brand new marketplace that could bust its boots like.I mean, it's been around for a decade now, which is amazing. But things are gonna get big fast and if people don't like it, it could very well turn, turn back around. I mean, that's not impossible. It's not, it's improbable, but not impossible. Mm-hmm. . De'Vannon: So what I'll do in the interest of time, I'll just read the title of each of the six letter , then people can go and buy the book to get the advice that you have in there.Do it. I think that and after I [00:50:00] read the titles, and I'll let you have our last word. . Which is a, which is another a page I borrowed from the book of Joy read because she she always gives her guests, you know, like the last word and everything like that. And so I thought you a good idea. I'm very inspired by that woman, and so, oh, I love it.So, lesson one, make your argument as sympathetic as possible. The lesson two, it's all about the money. lesson three. Be prepared to watch your progress disappear. That's the most shocking one for me and in my inten, in my opinion, the most sobering, less than four. Don't rely too heavily on the White House, and she means over multiple administrations.And then less than five, respect your opposition, less than six. Keep a sense of perspective, which is also a statement of humility. So her website is emily din.com, Social media, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, India, [00:51:00] Instagram, medium. Oh podcast. You can listen to Emily conduct interviews, new books.Networks has a Drugs Addiction and Recovery podcast. This book is grass Roots. And then she already mentioned the other one she has coming out. So with that, I'm gonna shut my cock up. And any last , anything that you would like to say and just take it away, darling. Emily: Oh, My gratitude is to you for, for having me, but also for bringing your message and your love, and your light and your spirit to the people.I am grateful to you and for all the work you do. So thank you very much. De'Vannon: All right. Thanks everybody for tuning in. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Emily: Don't eat Fentanyl Candy .De'Vannon: Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you [00:52:00] can find more information and resources at Sex Drugs and jesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.My name is De'Vannon, and it's been wonderful being your host today. And just remember that everything is gonna be right. 

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The Thrifters
You Have the Right to Change Your Mind

The Thrifters

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2022 19:14


This week Amanda takes a moment to talk about what excites her and how it evolves and may change completely. And when it comes to buying and reselling vintage clothing, the key take-away is to follow your passion and not feel locked in to any one genre or style forever.Show produced by Ben Walker-StoreyMusic by Kevin MacLeod

Intentional Leaders Podcast with Cyndi Wentland
You're illogical or change your mind. So what?

Intentional Leaders Podcast with Cyndi Wentland

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2022 12:47


Moms Don’t Have Time to Read Books
Robby Weber, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND

Moms Don’t Have Time to Read Books

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2022 30:26


YA author and bookfluencer Robby Weber joins Zibby to discuss his latest novel, If You Change Your Mind. The two talk about the importance of diverse representation in love stories, why Robby finds it easy to draft his YA novels, and whether he's a pantser or a plotter. Robby also tells Zibby which projects he's working on next and why he might be a 40-year-old man trapped in a 27-year-old's body. Check out Robby's Bookstagram here!Purchase on Amazon or Bookshop.Amazon: https://amzn.to/3z6ZKGTBookshop: https://bit.ly/3VNJ4OtSubscribe to Zibby's weekly newsletter here.Purchase Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books merch here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Victory Church Podcast
Life is Precious to God

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2022 27:37


Pastor Mitch addresses the abortion crisis and presents 8 principles explaining why all life is precious to God. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Love Your Truth
58. Permission to Change Your Mind

Love Your Truth

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2022 48:06


In this episode, Dr. Jenn talks about the importance of being able to change our minds. In our culture we're not often celebrated, or even encouraged, to change our minds and as a result we can put a lot of pressure on ourselves when it comes to making decisions and this pressure can often lead to avoidance. When we give ourselves permission to change our minds, we open ourselves up to possibility, which creates more expansion in our lives. Dr. Jenn shares the changes she's making, including a rebrand of this podcast! The direction she's going in her business and what this means for you as a listener. If you are interested in learning more about becoming a certified life coach, check out the Embodied Life Coaching Academy here. Want to join the brand new Facebook group and get access to live trainings and weekly resources? Join the Facebook group here. Download your free Coaching Success Path Workbook here.

The Victory Church Podcast
God is Faithful | Meera Short

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 20, 2022 38:26


How many times have you called God faithful? We say it without truly weighing what it fully means.  Executive Pastor Meera Short challenges us to truly think about the faithfulness of God and outlines five truths on why we can trust in His faithfulness. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Crazy Good God
37E Why God commands change your mind How will God judge the world Happy news

Crazy Good God

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 19, 2022 5:59 Transcription Available


E37  Are these words difficult for you – command, repent, judge? Paul spoke of these things to the philosophers in Athens when he referenced their idol “To an Unknown God”. If we understand a few Greek words, we'll discover Paul was telling them really good news – for them and everyone. That means us too! 

IELTS Energy English Podcast
IELTS Energy 1217: That Being Said, Change Your Mind on IELTS

IELTS Energy English Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2022 12:37 Very Popular


Get your estimated IELTS Band Score. Take the IELTS Quiz at https://www.allearsenglish.com/myscore   Learn two high-level phrases for contradicting yourself on IELTS Speaking

The Victory Church Podcast
6 Things We Need to Know About Faithfulness

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2022 44:26


One of the most important character traits a believer can develop is faithfulness.  Pastor Mitch teaches us how faithfulness opens the door for God's Word to manifest in our lives and shows us six things we can meditate on to develop our own faithfulness. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

One Minute Governance
134. It is *really* important to change your mind...frequently!

One Minute Governance

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2022 1:40


I'm only just now getting to Adam Grant's Think Again and omg its such a useful governance book.   SCRIPT OK so all you governance nerds out there are probably *way* ahead of me on this one, but I'm only just now getting to Adam Grant's Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know. It's an amazing synthesis of all the great work out there on why thinking is only really great when accompanied by RE-thinking. All presented through engaging storytelling and accessible explanations of complex stuff. In short, it explains how important it is for us to change our minds, frequently, because it means that we're learning. Finding out you're wrong about something important to you can feel painful – especially if you were wrong about something that you feel was part of your identity – but ultimately it's unequivocally GOOD to find out you're wrong because you now have a chance to be right, or at least more right than you were before. It took about 10 years of studying corporate governance before I started to see the pattern that a willingness to change one's mind was one of the most common traits that corporate directors valued in their peers. Boards are frequently expected to collectively digest and understand massive amounts of information into clear decisions within infuriating time constraints. One way to manage that is to enter the room with clear and stubborn preconceptions and confidently follow a path without questioning. Another way is to practice letting go of our preconceptions when we get new information, and accept that being wrong isn't a personal flaw, but not wanting to be right might just cause us to walk off the cliff at the end of our preconceived path.

Better Than Yesterday, with Osher Günsberg
454: Zac Jones pt 2: Zac Jones will change your mind about drink driving forever

Better Than Yesterday, with Osher Günsberg

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2022 57:47


Zac Jones is an author and speaker from Melbourne, Australia.Join the OG discord for direct contact with OG here-> https://discord.gg/JPwNNAXJ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Accelerators Podcast
"Moral Boost"

The Accelerators Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2022 53:37


In this episode, the Accelerators (Dr. Anna Laucis, Matt Spraker, and Simul Parikh) discuss current events and topics: conflicts of interest, the definition of SBRT, medical marijuana, and ultrasound image guidance for skin cancers. Here is a book mentioned during the show: How to Change Your Mind by Michael PollenPodcast art generously donated by Dr. Danielle Cunningham. Intro and Outro music generously donated by Emmy-award winning artist Lucas Cantor Santiago.

Parenting the Tough Stuff
Can You Change Your Mind?

Parenting the Tough Stuff

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2022 29:07


Parents have stories about what they think their family should look like. A lot of our suffering comes from the stories we've attached to. Today we are going to look at the possibility that some suffering is optional and how to change your mind about things. 

Honestly with Bari Weiss
How to Change Your Mind

Honestly with Bari Weiss

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 67:39 Very Popular


In a world where the personal has become political, and politics has swallowed everything, the stakes of changing your mind can feel really high. To change your mind is to risk betrayal – of your people, your culture, your tribe. But there may be nothing more important to a functioning democracy than to be able to influence each other, and be influenced ourselves, on the basis of conversation. So for today's episode: the neuroscience of belief change. It's an interview that aired last year on The Making Sense podcast, hosted by Sam Harris. Sam Harris is a lot of things: a best-selling author, a neuroscientist and a meditation teacher. In this conversation, Sam talks with cognitive neuroscientist Jonas Kaplan about how we can be more amenable to persuasion, why we mistake emotion as evidence, wishful thinking, and how we can become more critical of ourselves as we form new opinions.  As Sam has said many times before, we only have two choices to resolve conflict as human beings: violence or conversation. To change your mind, or to be open to changing your mind, is to choose the latter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Jason Smith Show
Hour 2 – The New Angle Of Davante Hitting Cameraman Might Change Your Mind

The Jason Smith Show

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 35:20


Today on The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Jason and Steve DeSaegher discuss the big night in the MLB with the Braves beating the Phillies and the Dodgers taking on the Padres. Davante Adams was charged with a misdemeanor in Kansas City, and while the guys don't think Adams should have responded the way he did, a new angle of Adams knocking over the cameraman might make some people change their minds on the situation. Plus, Jason and Steve reveal their big bold prediction for Thursday Night Football!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Victory Church Podcast
The Gifts of Healings | God's Power Through Spiritual Gifts (Part 8)

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 41:38


What does the Bible say about healing?  How can you have faith for healing even if it hasn't physically manifested?  Pastor Mitch talks about the gifts of healing and how it is manifested in the lives of believers. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

The Victory Church Weekly Podcast
Episode 268: Growth in Our Natural and Spiritual Lives are Often Parallel! Are You Growing?

The Victory Church Weekly Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 21:07


Welcome to the Victory Church Weekly Podcast! **Get my new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life!** You can reach my daily blog at mitchhorton.com Get plugged in at Victory Church at victorychurchraleigh.com Hit subscribe, and turn on notifications so that you can get the podcast delivered daily on your phone!

The Victory Church Weekly Podcast
Episode 267: Are You Growing Spiritually and Involved in a Local Church?

The Victory Church Weekly Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2022 25:00


Welcome to the Victory Church Weekly Podcast! **Get my new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life!** You can reach my daily blog at mitchhorton.com Get plugged in at Victory Church at victorychurchraleigh.com Hit subscribe, and turn on notifications so that you can get the podcast delivered daily on your phone!

Prayer365 with Enrique Brooks
Day 1: Change Your Mind | Think Like a King

Prayer365 with Enrique Brooks

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 15:09


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The Invictus Mind
You Have the Right to Change Your Mind!

The Invictus Mind

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 61:03


An abusive childhood drove her away from her right-wing, Christian upbringing. As an adult, she repressed her feelings by diving into left-wing politics and alcoholism. Triggered by the election of Donald Trump, a panic attack and night of heavy drinking sent her on a downward spiral. Tamara Young, host of the Recovering Liberal podcast, shares her story about starting a family in the midst of a world-wide pandemic which caused her to question the narrative after having an adverse reaction to the "jab". Being told that her motherly concerns come second to the advice of experts forced a new desire to uncover the truth behind a nefarious political movement. She now attests a spiritual revival which is changing her ideologies once again. The Invictus Mind Podcast can be found on Stitcher, Spotify, Apple, Castbox, and Anchor. To be featured on a podcast: https://podmatch.com/signup/invictus --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-invictus-mind/support

Hypnosis for Permanent Weight Loss
Ep 140 You Can Change Your Story If You Change Your Mind

Hypnosis for Permanent Weight Loss

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 62:36


What would it be like to live knowing your days are numbered? Would you take action doing something that would make the most out of your remaining days? Or will you let the days slip by and get resigned to your fate? It's easy to get carried away with the thought that you're the unluckiest among all others. And that of all people, you were the one chosen. Not to mention, you've been taking care of yourself the best way you can, yet, it happened to you. That's not an easy thought to live, to begin with. We are reminded that often, we live life on 'someday', 'one day.' Until something happens, do we realize we've never lived life to its fullest. When that happens, how do we approach one of the most challenging times in one's life? Johanna White is an award-winning graphic designer and visual branding strategist who designs premium brand identities that create impactful first impressions. As the founder of Design By Jo Studio, she believes that if someone is the best at what they do, they deserve to look like it! For the past decade, she's worked with individuals, startups and Fortune 200 brands worldwide, helping them to attract more raving fan clients than they know what to do with, and be as delightfully expensive as they deserve to be. In this episode, Johanna reminds us there is no certainty in this life. Nothing can prepare you for any painful surprise. We try to be and act safe as we can. Nothing wrong with that. But the reason why we do that is the fear of the possibility of what we become. That entails massive work. And that's where we become defenseless thinking of it. With what she went through, she shares with us the lessons of confronting your fear. Not until death stares at our faces do we realize we have not done enough to conquer our fears and reach our fullest potential. The only way to combat it is to learn to find joy in what you do, not focus on the fear. Instead, channel your energy on something that will help you catch the brighter side of things. Fear will not get you anywhere; it's always there. Even how much she thinks of her dire situation, nothing would change if it's really meant to be, but how you look at things would change. It's about finding your real why and changing your motivation. Also, growing and strengthening your faith will get you through. And that's how you elevate yourself beyond your fears.    "What's happened in my journey to this point is that it was a combination of massive action, not just believing something. What you believe matters. But what you do about what you believe matters way more." - Johanna White What you will learn from this episode:   04:02 - Who was Johanna White before the life-threatening diagnosis and what was it like living a life with brain tumor cancer 10:34 - The push she needed to act on things with urgency 17:46 - Learning and working on the mindset stuff  19:10 - Doing something and acting on what you say you believe 24:04 - Things she did to overpower the fear 27:43 - Understanding the reason behind her fears [finding the antidote to fear and anxiety] 32:39 - Belief matters; but action matters way more [and surrender also makes sense] 37:18 - Healed because of her unstoppability to believe so despite the big odds 39:57 - Getting it all away from surgery and how her faith played a role in this [becoming a walking and talking miracle] 43:44 - Finding your why and changing your motivations [what it will come down to] 47:43 - Realizations from her situation and where those things bring her 50:20 - Dreading her birthday only to look forward to it [dreading aging who can relate] 54:59 - How you can reach Johanna and be inspired by her 58:59 - What if you start and you fail?   Connect with Johanna White:  https://www.designbyjostudio.com/about Connect With Leslie Thornton: weightlossalbany.com E: Leslie@LeslieMThornton.com Facebook Twitter LinkedIn

The Victory Church Podcast
Family (Morning Service) | Joe McGee

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 41:35


Joe McGee returns and delivers a timely message on family. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

The Victory Church Podcast
Family (Evening Service) | Joe McGee

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 57:53


Get ready to laugh and be encouraged as our old friend Joe McGee talks about raising a family using biblical principles. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Better Than Yesterday, with Osher Günsberg
453: Zac Jones pt 1: Zac Jones will change your mind about drink driving forever

Better Than Yesterday, with Osher Günsberg

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 9, 2022 61:38


Zac Jones is an author and speaker from Melbourne, Australia. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The #PrettyAwkward Entrepreneur Podcast
(HEART TO HEART) You're Allowed To Change Your Mind

The #PrettyAwkward Entrepreneur Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2022 33:56


As per usual, we're getting very honest in this episode, and I'm sharing how I've been craving and feeling a big change coming in my business for quite some time now. I share how it has really been sparked by big life changes that have occurred this year, and how these type of events (whether traumatic or celebratory) really make you reflect on what you're doing and as “cliche” as this sounds, rethink your life purpose.  I give you full permission to change your mind, and hopefully help you see how none of what you've done or are doing has been a ‘waste', something that keeps a LOT of people stuck where they are.  Buckle up baby. We're going for a ride in this episode.  Some Biz Resources For You →Get immediate access to my free class: More Profit$ In Your Pocket, Less Burnout In Your Biz: https://meganyelaney.com/more-profit-less-burnout-class   And join my Free FB Community where we do a deep dive into each Podcast episode & can have a back and forth conversation to help you get the most out of each topic!   Join here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/impactfulpassiveincome   If you're on Instagram, shoot me a DM! @meganyelaney

Sex, Drugs, and Jesus
Episode #71: The Insanity In Christianity With Stuart Delony, Host Of The Snarky Faith Radio Podcast

Sex, Drugs, and Jesus

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2022 73:37


INTRODUCTION: Stuart Delony is a storyteller, seeker, sojourner, question-asker, and provocateur. He's a former pastor and the creator and host of Snarky Faith Radio, a podcast for the spiritually disenfranchised.Stuart has a Masters of Global Leadership from Fuller Theological Seminary andlives in Chapel Hill, NC with his wife and kids. INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):  ·      The Insanity In Christianity ·      How Pastors Are Like Drug Dealers·      The Simplicity Of Jesus Christ·      God Is Pro-Choice·      Jesus Loves Broke Bitches!!!·      Shitty Seminaries ·      The Lord Speaks To Us Through Movies·      Lakewood Church Shade·      The Production That Is “Church Service” ·      The Marriage Of Church & State CONNECT WITH STUART: Website: https://www.SnarkyFaith.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/stuartdelonyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/stuartdelony/ STUART'S RECOMMENDATIONS: In God We Trump: https://vimeo.com/234002024 CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Stewart Delony is a fun and beautiful man. He is the host of the Snarky Faith Radio podcast. Stewart has himself a master of global leadership from Fuller Theological Seminary. And he worked for over 20 years in ministry. Now, in this episode, we about to shred modern day Christianity and read them for all the filth they damn well deserve.And as always, I will be throwing all the shade at [00:01:00] Lakewood Church because they deserve it more than most. I hope y'all enjoy.Hello, all my beautiful souls out there and welcome back to the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. I'm super excited as I always am. Everyone says that before every fucking show. So anyway, I hope this one is like super badass and we're gonna talk a lot about Jesus and, and those damn Christian people who seem to have attached to themselves, to him for some bizarre, unbeknownst reason today.Have Stewart Dani with me. He's the host of the Snarky Faith Podcast, Lion Ash Radio Show. And it is pretty snarky, . I do have to say something myself, Stewart, how you are? How, how are you today? Stuart: I'm great, Danna and I, I'm excited to be here hanging out with you and talking about all sorts of stuff today.De'Vannon: All sorts [00:02:00] of things. And so I remember whether the I had discovered as you add or how, I don't know, I'd just be on the internet digging up shit. And somehow I came across, maybe I did like a religious search on Apple or something. And then I came across your podcast, Snarky Faith. And then I looked at some of the show, show titles and everything like that.And I was just, just as fascinated as I could be. So just to read, we're gonna actually talk about your podcast towards the end of the show because we wanna talk about a couple of documentaries first. But I do wanna read the description you have for your podcast just as a little titty teaser for my beautiful audience.And so, and that quote, Stewart Snarky Faith is a space where we ire ire. Haven't had my wine today. Ire wrestle through life, culture and spiritu realities. It is a skewing of religion and culture today. The questions are even, [00:03:00] answers are never the point. It's all about the conversation in the quote, and we'll jump back on that later.So one of your major themes that I came across for you is this, you've coined this term the insanity in Christianity, and I'm just wondering what that means Stuart: to you. Well part of it has to do with, with a bit of my past too, if I was, I was raised in the south. I was raised in, in, in, around the Atlanta metro area, was raised around conservative Christianity for the most part, and then for some odd reason, decided to get into ministry for a number of years.I was, I worked like 20 years in church ministry and. Began, the further I was working in there was just began to see just the weird, crazy dysfunction. Like, like the, the idea that there is the stuff that Jesus talks about and then there's the stuff that like Christians [00:04:00] talk about in politics and those two things, those don't really match up at all.And you know, and so that just started kind of ticking me off over the while of being able to say, Wait a second. I know you guys have Jesus bumper stickers or T-shirts, but nothing about what you're doing. Seems like you understand the simple teachings of Jesus. So yes, my job a lot of times I feel like is to be able to point out the insanity, to be able to say that's not what Karate's talked about.Mm-hmm. , it's just a lot of American Christianity, . De'Vannon: Right. And that is our task because, you know, our market is not, I feel like I could speak for you when I say this. You know, our market is not. The church. Mm-hmm. , it's not church people. Our marketer are people who are considering their path and pondering at whose minds have a risk of being overthrown.By the way, Christianity is branded, especially here in the States. And so when people like us rise [00:05:00] up and go, there's another approach to God, you know, this, this fooly that that we're seeing play out before our eyes isn't him. And so I don't want people to actually believe that this is all God is reduced to his evangelical and Republican philandering, you know, and cocaine ORs and whatever the hell else they do.I don't judge it for the cocaine orgies, Mr. Matt Gates and you know, Mr. Wannabe speaker of the house. Cause I've had a few of those myself. But I wasn't judging people , Stuart: you know, you weren't oppressing people for the things that you were doing. Which that ticks me off like more than anything. It does, It does it.I, I've never understood that. So for people to kind of, and that's a weird part about Christianity, I think that the, for lack of a better term, the inbred nature of a lot of the, the thought processes that go on within there, I, I think it keeps people in a space where they feel like they have to keep coming back.Where they feel like it's, you know, [00:06:00] either fear or shame or whatever keeps you coming back. Even though probably every bit of the logic in your brain is saying, This place is crazy. We gotta get out. But somehow you just leave that door open, put you don't know what God's doing, which is a recipe for abuse, , anytime you kind of enter that into it yeah.De'Vannon: Yeah. Yeah, those are the dangling carrots, you know, the vague promises. You know, it's like when I was a drug dealer, I wasn't a shady ass drug dealer, but I hung around a bunch of shady ass drug dealers. Mm-hmm. . And that's how you always get people, you know, like, Oh, this is gonna be the best thing, you know, all these promises, or, Give me your money and I'll come back with even more than what I've, you know, more doped than what I have right now.You know, Just let me borrow this. Let me hold onto it for a second. You know, it's the same Stuart: energy. Oh, I've been around some shady ass pastor, so I, I totally agree. That is . That is the exact same energy . De'Vannon: Then I heard you say the S word when you were referring to Jesus' [00:07:00] ministry, which is simple. Mm-hmm.and, and so I just wanted to echo that cuz I always like to remind people that it was a remarkable thing and one of the gospels and it was talking about how Jesus taught with such simplicity. Mm-hmm. , you know, I find it remarkable because they, they couldn't write everything down in the Bible or, or even the scribes of the day.They couldn't literally account for everything in the whole day. They only wrote down what stood out to them. So the fact that Jesus' ministry being like, chill was noteworthy, just lets, lets me know that the the Republicans of his day, , the Pharisees and the sades were being really, really extra. Yeah.You know, because there, there was a contrast there. Jesus wasn't showboating and causing a whole scene except for when he threw over the temple, which I, you know, I'm with him on that. Mm-hmm. and you know, so Jesus was chilling. So when we look at, you know, Republicans, evangelicals you know, people who tout the name [00:08:00] Christianity and how hard they come for, for people, you know, they're being, you know, the exact opposite of how Christ was very humble and meek, he spoke his word, but he didn't, by no means go around trying to force it upon people.Mm-hmm. . And so he never did that. And so I just wanted to talk about the simplicity of the Lord. Stuart: Yes. And, and even in that regard, like if you don't talk about, even about the simplicity of scripture, one of the ideas, core ideas of scripture is choice. In the Bible, you know, allowing people to have choice, which is really funny because Republicans don't like to allow people to have choices to be able to go and do stuff.But that's very, very central to really a lot of the narrative of scriptures in the Bible is that God gives people the opportunity to do stuff. God doesn't compulsively make people do things like Republicans want to do and are doing in certain places right now too, which is terrifying. Yeah, The, I believe they do it in the name of Jesus, which is also sickening De'Vannon: too , when anybody can pick [00:09:00] up the name of Jesus and go trotting down the street with it.I know where people have to get is that, you know, when the Bible talks about woo and sheep's clothing, it has to be somebody, when the Bible talks about the hypocrites and stuff like that, it has to be somebody. Every generation has people who claim to be of God and are not, and people who say one thing and do the opposite, it happens everywhere.So in our day and time, I believe that that is our Republican party and. The Evangelical party and people who, who don't seem to have a problem with what Republicans are doing. Mm-hmm. . So this is our, these are our Pharisees right now. Stuart: Oh, absolutely. Because Christ talks a lot about, I mean, there, there is so much that is like anti empire and anti-establishment in what Jesus is talking about, about the structures of power of the time.And it's funny to be able to see where we see like a lot of conservative Christians running, We want more power in government, we want more power, we want more of the empire. And that whole thing was antithetical to everything Jesus was talking [00:10:00] about. He was trying to talk about whole different system of power and a whole dis different system of living, but some of them didn't get the memo apparently.Mm. De'Vannon: They can't because, you know, as the Lord said, if he were to open their eyes and they would see, and he would open their hearts and they would hear, and they would feel they would be human and they would be converted, but he has not given them the kingdom. And, you know, whoever the, whoever the hypocrites of the day are, are never, ever gonna see fault in themselves because it's always gonna be a problem with what someone else is doing.Mm-hmm. because their minds have been overthrown in a, in a and that makes life harder for everyone else. But yeah, I choose to believe that the problems that they bring up on our lives are, they're to strengthen us because it's gotta be something if it's not them and there's gonna be the bitch next door or the bitch at the grocery store, , we gonna always have motherfucker somewhereSo, so we can't escape. And so, but it is [00:11:00] about choice. And Deuteronomy, you know, in the Old Testament, the Lord is always trying to give Israel a choice. Choose, choose you this day who you're going to serve, but I'm not going to force you. I hope you pick me, is what God is saying. But he never, ever, ever, ever was forceful.And my favorite example of Jesus being anti-establishment, if you will. Entire rich people was when the, the lady came in with only the two mites and all the rich people were in there making it rain. And, you know, he didn't compliment them, he didn't say anything good about them. The person who made him stop in his tracks was the broke bitch.Mm-hmm. , you know, the, the, the, the bitch bleeding from her pussy. You know, I met respectfully ladies and and I realized how that sounded when I said, Stuart: You mean it in love. You mean it in love. That's De'Vannon: all love. And so, so, you know, you know, the broken people or the people who stood out to him, but in this is the town people wanna talk about the richest pastors, the richest people in [00:12:00] the world.This is not how God is. Stuart: No. No, and that's, and again, like circling back to the simplicity, it really just goes back to like, how are you loving people? in your area, like in your own sphere? Like, do you love your neighbor? Do you love the, those that aren't nice to you? I mean, they're really simple things in many ways that will change how you walk.That'll change how you even like look within yourself when you're actually learning to deal with other people. Seeing your own junk when you see other people's junk. And then, you know, the hope is that it makes you way, way, way more compassionate moving forward as you engage with other people. But at the same time, yeah, sometimes it's too simple for Christianity.We need to make it into some sort of a thing where we're drawing a line in the sand and the, these are going to hell, these are going to heaven. And when they always draw the line, the line's always on their side. Mm-hmm. De'Vannon: So, so how you went to seminary? Which seminary [00:13:00] was it again? Stuart: I went to a Fuller Theological Seminary.It's it's mainly in Pasadena, but they have a few other campuses. De'Vannon: Yeah. Cause I thought I remember like World Campus or something like that in there somewhere. But I went to seminary too. I left, I didn't stay long, just only a few semesters because the the guy who taught law, he just one day he was like, Yeah, we, we really like to control people in the church and everything like that.And oh my God, I was the only person in class who was like, I don't think we should be controlling , you know? Yes. Yes. I don't think we should be doing that. And, you know, and I did a double take, you know, and I asked him, you know, the fuck you. You know, I was speaking more similarly and the aloud. Stuart: Of course, of course, of course.But that's the trans, that's the translation of . De'Vannon: Yeah. In, in, in the Greek. That's the translation. Yeah. The fuck you say. [00:14:00] And he just like, he was like, Yeah, we wanna control people in the church. And he said it as casually as there's clouds in the sky. And everyone else in the class was nodding along with him besides me, and I was like, Oh, hell no.Mm-hmm. , I got to go . Stuart: So, Oh, I, I've had moments like that too. This was, I mean, this wasn't, I mean, I appre for me, I, I enjoyed the seminary I went to for the different viewpoints. It pushed on me. I enjoyed, See, I'm a person, I don't know if I'm just like a intellectual status, but I don't mind being wrong in my head,So if there's like new information out there, I don't mind messing around with it. But watching other pastors like lose their mind. Like when certain professors would tell them scripture in this way or this way. Like, Oh, you know what, if the creation story is not literal and then you watch a bunch of other guys just heads blow up at that moment.But, but you're right. I've been in other places, not at my seminary, but when I've been to different conferences and stuff where I've heard back when I was a church planter, like heard people talking about gathering [00:15:00] people together. If you're planting a church and those people don't worry too much about them, they're scaffolding on the building that you're kind of really trying to set up here.So they're just useful tools and if they leave, that's fine, but they're, and hearing that, it's the most dehumanizing thing that I've ever heard about people, especially from a perspective of we're starting a church. People that you're gonna start it with, ah, it don't matter that much, but they'll be useful idiots for a while.And, and, and, and that's just what gets me so much about Jesus is that Christ saw the humanity in people. Price didn't see them as, as marks or numbers or, or any of this stuff. And it, it's just gross. It's gross in so many ways how Christianity has become in this way. De'Vannon: I think some people start off corrupt like that, and I think some of them start off with the best of intentions, but money and power corrupt some slowly, gradually over time.Much like the ring did Smiggle in the Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that cinema and, and all these shows we watch are just [00:16:00] entertainment. I really think that the Lord is speaking through us through these things. The slow corruption of Ankin Skywalker, the Vader. You know, I don't, I don't, I think that this sort of stuff happens in people in real life, although they're not running around shooting electricity outta their hands and forgot and disappearing when they put a ring on.You know? But you know, what does disappear? You know who you used to be? You know, by the time Ankin is Vader and by time, by the time Smiggle is Gollum, that old person is, you know, their original more pure form is no more. And they can't even tell you the point which they changed cuz it happened so subtly.Mm. But in their mind, they still feel like they're just as justified today as Vader and Gollum as they were when they were Ankin and Smiggle. Mm-hmm with everyone else who has a problem. . Stuart: So, No, you're right, you're right. And I've been in places where like, yes, it feels like to stay on this track it means I'll have to lose a part of my soul or have to swallow part of who I am to in order to remain here.And that was, that was a learning curve for me cuz I'd worked for a, I [00:17:00] worked as a missionary for a while and I was on the leadership board of their organization and I was the guy that was always pushing back against what they were doing. And so for a season of life, I was like, Oh, I'm doing God's work.I'm trying to push back and give a different perspective. And then after a while you begin to realize, no, I'm just really being a pain in the ass to them, and they really don't want me around anymore because my perspective is too challenging to what they're talking about. And at this point, I probably just need to gracefully exit because it's just, you know, there's that idea of Yeah, am I helping or am I just a pain of the ass?And at some places, if you're a pain of the ass, you're just gonna leave. De'Vannon: Right? And, you know, church is just like a lot of Yes. Men around them and, and stuff like that, which is something I'm, I believe I have in my notes here too. You know, well, I'll just say now, you know, you know these churches, they surround themselves with people who agree like them and they think like them.And so they don't really wanna be challenged. But the danger of that is if you're not, if you don't have opposing [00:18:00] viewpoint, You keep hearing all of these yeses and you begin to think that you're right when you objectify people like that and you think that you're right. Well, whatever it is that you do, Cause ain't nobody telling you no.Mm-hmm. . Stuart: So I'm, And, but there's, there's a danger in folks just in the audience, just a similarly, like for people in the congregations, effectively taking their brains out when they hang out in church and being like, Yeah, whatever he said, I agree with it. I have no idea how he got to these points. You know, his theology's already been predigested and he's giving it to me, so sure, I'll take it.Even though we don't, like, there's not that whole like, internal process of learning and growing and it, we just end up almost taking the regurgitated vomit like a mama spitting into a, a baby bird's mouth. I, I feel like that happens at church way too much. And I just think that would taste terrible. So and so I, I, yeah, it, it pushes back on just the fact that we've taught people, like you'd mentioned to keep under control and we've taught them to not really question.[00:19:00]And just listen and agree. And that's also incredibly dangerous when PO folks are at a position where they just agree with what the pastor's always De'Vannon: saying. And I used to be that, that guy, honestly, I think the vomit from the mama bird would be more nutrition than no more nutrition. That's true. That's true.Than what these pastors bullshit is spewing out. Mm-hmm. . But I used to be that person. I would hear something I didn't agree with and I would say, Okay, he's up there, so I'm gonna change my mind to what he said rather than to critique him. Yeah. So or as, as I learned and when I was getting my hypnotist certification, that's called hypnotizing people and using it in a negative way.Mm-hmm. . So but I'm reminded, I wanna throw a little bit of shade at Lakewood Church since I used to be a member. Stuart: Okay, let's do it. I game for that De'Vannon: before they kicked me out for not being straight. And so and you know, so I know Joel gets on TV and acts like he's all [00:20:00] nice and everything, but behind the scenes they have policies and effect that really, really hurt and damage people.Yeah. So in terms of objectifying people, while when I was volunteering in the kids' ministry there. I walked back into the office one day and I heard the leader of the kids' department saying something like about the volunteers, the effect of like, you know, we're smarter than them, we get to he was talking to the staff about the volunteers who were not in the room.I was a high level volunteer and so I was, I was given a lot of access to stuff, but he was saying like, you know, basically we're really clever. We're gonna use these volunteers to work ourselves out of a job. You know, thumbs up kind of thing. He, he, he, and that didn't set well with me, but it was, no, it was on those situations where I was like, I'm gonna show grace and mercy.No place gonna be perfect. I'm just gonna go ahead and overlook that. You know? And I wish I hadn't done that. It, it's, Stuart: it's, it's funny cuz I'll, I'll do the same thing where like, I replay this in my head, [00:21:00]but, you know, if you would've been like, Excuse me. What about this does anyone realize this is pretty fucked up right now?I think no one would've said anything and that you, you would've been just escorted outta the building and that would be the end of it. Because again, yeah, you have a bunch of Yes. Men or sheep or people that just go along with it because it sounds good and it, and, and because of course it's a church, so of course God's part of it.Right, right. And I feel like that's the assumption a lot of times. And it just creates a lot, a lot of baggage. De'Vannon: I'm gonna throw a little bit more shade at them though, though. This is, this is cause this is another form of censorship that they do. Mm-hmm. . So I saw this woman catch the Holy Ghost one time when I was in the main sanctuary at Lakewood.And look, I get some people fake dancing in the spirit. Some people don't believe in it at all. Okay. And some, sometimes it's real. I've had that experience like maybe less than five times, four or five times in my whole life. I've never been this sort of person that, you know, Sister Sally [00:22:00] every day on Sunday at exactly 1115 here she go down the aisle.No. If it's going. It's gonna happen. It's gonna have to be like legitimate. So sometimes it's real, sometimes it's not. This woman was, this was real, and now she's in the largest church in America in the middle of, I'm pretty sure it was probably like the 11:00 AM service, the largest service. But this other fucking matter cuz all the services are huge.Mm-hmm. , I'm like, this girl caught the holy goes down in the front, you know, I guess maybe like 20, 20, 25 rows back, maybe 15 or 20 rows back from the front, which is like nothing in a place that big. Sure. But she got up in the spirit was moving her and the ushers kicked her out, . And I thought like, this was another one of those moments that I was like, Okay, I don't like this, but I guess I should overlook it.I'm all like, how you gonna censor the spirit in the middle of the church? I don't. [00:23:00] I don't, Stuart: Well, that, that's one of the things that, that, that grabbed me early on in when I was working in ministry is that it's, it's a production, you know, that Sunday morning is a production and it's about like eliminating any mess.It's about eliminating like anything that would get in the way of the production, which, which is really kind of sick and twisted if you really think deeply about that. Because if, if God is trying to reach out to humans and we're all messed up , we've all got shit and, and we're all messy. But I think that like ministry, if you're actually doing ministry with God, I mean, it's going to be messy because we're messy and that's okay.Cuz God knows what we're messy and and I, I just find it weird when we tend to like whitewash our services into making themproductions or pageantry. De'Vannon: I couldn't said it better myself. And I always like to remind [00:24:00] people that when these people, your worship leaders, your pastors, and I use the word pastor loosely because I don't believe many of these people are even called I haven't heard any of their stories, of their true conversion when God met them and the books they write or never really about themselves.But remember I, you know, they're at work , you know, and just like most people when they go to work, they're being fake as hell and putting on whatever face they need to, to, to get the job done. I just wanted to throw that out there Stuart: and Well, and if you wanna throw out that, just, just a little addendum to what you're saying is that there are many pastors that write books that are ghost written as well.To where I've, I, I know I've known of hu few instances cuz I do have a friend that's a ghost writer where they'll just kind of give a bunch of ideas to a person, you know, like couple stories, couple things. And they're like, boo, go make it happen. So again, you're right, it's like this whole like Christian marketing complex that we kind of find ourselves under that's really just about De'Vannon: money.And there are [00:25:00] also regurgitated sermons too, because one of Joel's books I read, I know, I was like, I heard this in a sermon before. You know, it's just regurgitated sermon. It's a, it's a system. It's a, it's an equation that they have to constantly books like that. And, and I know that they're not writing them.I know. I know. Mm-hmm. . And so I put a note here about the war on drugs because of something that you said about like like government control. I felt like I was watching shit, I've consumed so many documentaries in the last, like I watched the, the new one on Netflix, How to Change Your Mind, where the guy's going over How he used like the me school and the cide bin and the MDMA and everything like that.And I watched the history of mental illnesses on pbs. And and it was interesting to find out how like, You know, the psychedelics were used and being like, studied in clinical settings, you know, Then the government wanted to control people cuz people started using the psychedelics and they didn't wanna fucking go to war, [00:26:00] you know?And then, then they, then they was like, Oh, we gotta stop this shit. So let's make these drugs schedule one narcotics, you know, in, and then let's put fear in everyone about the evils of what may happen, even though people weren't really doing anything evil. Mm-hmm. . And then I feel like the church locked arms with politicians back in those days.And then they started calling drugs the devil, you know, the spirit of Satan and everything like that. And I don't know, I just wanted worded what you thought about, you know, how deep the history of church people and politicians go and the, what they did to stifle America's impression of drugs. Stuart: That's a good question.I, I, I feel like that, I mean, it kind of circles back to what you'd mentioned earlier, that it all falls into some sort of a system of control. You know, if we're able to paint a line and be able to say, Oh, those in this tribe are good, but those that are outside of our tribe are bad. And, and they've done that on, on, on so many different social issues throughout the [00:27:00] years.And I mean, it's been alcohol, it's been, it's been like I, I worked, I, I was even attending a church, this is when I was a missionary, but I was attending a church in the a in an area, and I was like, Oh, you guys, I would love to just start doing a bar ministry. This is like 15 years ago, just going and hanging out with people and just talking to 'em, not trying to convert 'em, just talking to people in bars, just to be able to kind of break down walls.And they were like, you know, you can only do that as long as you're drinking a Coca-Cola or something else in that building. And I'm like, Wait, wait, I don't work here, but you guys know me and you do not want me to go and try to share stuff with people and just get to know people in bars because alcohol, I mean, again, I feel like that these are all scapegoats that, that we tend to demonize in so many different areas.I think that we've seen it, especially like recently, probably since at least 2020 ramping up of how the conservative right. Is finding like, I feel like we're back in the Satanic panic like 2.0 like back from the eighties when like there was [00:28:00] this whole like, ah, Satans everywhere and there's all these crazy things that I, I feel like we've just reinvented that cuz I grew up around some of that stupidity of the Satanic panic and, and I feel like this is just a new version of it or it's Yeah.A cue version of it now or some other craziness that they're adding to it. De'Vannon: Well, the devil isn't particularly creative man. He just tends to copy shit and repeat cycles. He's not really all that inventive. But if you, if you think about it, and that's why I believe in the book of Revelation when it says that when Satan's true form is like revealed and then the nation looked at him and was.Okay. Is this the nigga that was fucking with us this whole time? this little thing over here, reallyHe's not that impressive, you know, in terms of analyzing his mechanics, you know? Mm-hmm. , you know, is he powerful and shit? Yeah. But you know, like this, this is why, perfect [00:29:00] example, like a broke ass hustler who ain't got a penny to his damn name, can talk a smooth game and get a whole lot of money from people.I've seen it happen a thousand times when I was a drug dealer. They use what little, they have good looks, big dick or the reputation or whatever, but zero actual fucking thing of worth in terms of money. Yeah. And can get damn near anything they want, but really any shit. Mm-hmm. , Stuart: and even mentioning that, and I don't, I don't, this is, this is, this is your interview.I don't wanna go down any revolution, rabbit holes or anything like that too. But I also feel like that's one of the books of the Bible that is messed up. More people with bad interpretations and reading it. I literally, I, I was going before my, this is years back, but before my ordination hearing and they're grilling me on all these things.And some guy asked me and I didn't know him and I was an idiot, but he was like, Tell me about how do you feel about the end enzyme on the book of Revelation? And I was like, I feel that's probably done more damage to Christianity than anything in a while, because we focus [00:30:00] on the end and we don't pay attention to what's now in this.And depending on how you read it, some people read it exact, literally. Some people see it figuratively. Some people pick and choose between the two, which is a terrible way to read scripture, to hop between those two standpoint. But yes, I remember some guy got so mad at me, explain yourself, Why is this?Because I was like, Does it really matter? Does it matter what's gonna happen fully in the future if we're supposed to be digging in now towards loving people and kind of walking out the simplicity of Christ? Because sometimes if we focus too far in advance, I feel like it takes us away from the present.De'Vannon: Hm. Or as they, or as they say in the Pentecostal churches, you don't wanna be so heavenly minded that you ain't no earthly good. Amen.Oh my gosh. I really don't like the fact that I still have in me things from my church days. But, you know, I guess it wasn't all bad. Stuart: No, I, I, And I think that's, that's the hard [00:31:00] thing. I think that oftentimes when people go through, like deconstructing and walking through, processing out their faith, we can end up kind of feeling bad or ashamed of where we, we were.But I, I, for me at least, I've gone like, Okay, that's what I was raised around. I, it's taken me time to figure out which baggage is shit and which baggage needs to stay and, and, and kind of processing through all of that along the way, because there are nuggets that have happened, but by and large, there's probably like more dump truck loads that were.Not helpful, but, but I do think that's essential in the spiritual path of being able to, is being able to figure out, yeah, what can I take from this? What good can I take from this? And then let me flush the rest of it down the toilet. De'Vannon: Mm-hmm. . So speaking of putting on a production and a show, you had quite the quite the choice words for the the movie through the eyes of Miss Tammy Faye.Stuart: Oh, . Okay. That one. Okay. De'Vannon: Yes. . Now for those of you [00:32:00] don't know Tammy Faye Bacon, Miss Mr. Jim Baker. Were probably the most colorful people on television, especially over there at tbn back in the day. Stuart: back in the day, which became I think, yeah. But yeah, keep going. Yeah. De'Vannon: personally. I loved it. I loved the show because I like anything that exposes the foolishness of Yeah.Television ministry and the bullshit side of Christianity. You didn't like it though, so tell, talk, Stuart: give me your, Oh, my, my pushback on, on it was cuz I, I have, I have, I had a, I had a gullible mother who loved Televangelist and Jim and Tammy were on all of the time and those folks, and, and, and my only issue was with the movie.I think Tammy Faye figured stuff out and went on to do good stuff. I think the movie kind of gave her a free pass of being a part of this whole whatever that was, you know, the [00:33:00] cluster fuck of Christianity that was going on. That was ptl. And, and I just, I, I thought some of it film wise was just a little.I wish they would've dialed down on some of the bigger stuff because there was, there was abuse like supposedly. I mean, I don't, I don't think they even hint on the fact that Jim Bakkers been accused of raping someone as well too. And so there's, there's a bunch of weirdness surrounding that and just trying to glaze our way out towards the end.That's what kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth cuz I remember, I remember a lot of that and, and I do, like, I, I, I appreciate how Tammy Faye changed and how she changed stuff within it, but at the same time I thought the filmmakers were a little they were a little heavy handed and made it just all bad, Jim, but I think that they were two people that were involved in whatever that craziness was.De'Vannon: I wonder why that may be, maybe they were so overwhelmed with so much bullshit that they could pick from, they just didn't know how to handle Stuart: it. No, you and you're right, and [00:34:00] I've had to do that too. Like you, when you get raised around stuff, like I've, I have friends that are worship pastor. That have had to work through the idea that like, wait half of what we do all the time is almost just psychologically messing with people, you know, just the lights and the music and getting everyone in that right mood and they can, they know what they're doing with it.And you'd mentioned hypnotism earlier, and I'm not saying it's hypnotism, but it's definitely conditioning people for a situation and creating the expectation for people in the situation. So, I mean, to give Tammy Faye a, a fair shake, which I would say is that she may have been swallowed up in all of that, you know, to where this is all God's work.And it is, it's very, it's very it can be very intoxicating and, and it can be something that really, like you'd mentioned earlier, turn you into a wolf and sheep's clothing. De'Vannon: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of makeup to keep on all the time. it cause money. Stuart: Oh my gosh. I felt bad for Jessica Chastain cuz I think they said [00:35:00] she's like the actress that was portraying her, she had like four hours a day.I'm like, oh that. No, that sounds awful of trying to recreate that look. De'Vannon: That's drag queen say all the time. It takes a a lot of money to look this cheap.So that's in the eyes of Tammy Faye. You could find it on different networks and shit. I recommend it and I love it because these, these people are kind of like at the beginning of the tell tele evangelical wave. So these people pave the way for your Joel O Stings and for your T Jakes and for your Joyce Meyers and everything like that.You know, it's not like I don't see similar practice. Know across all of these ministries, it's up to you to decide who you can trust and who you can't. But, Mm. fuck with churches. I don't, I don't walk, walk in 'em. I don't know none of that no more. And I'm not bitter. I'm just logical now. And I, you [00:36:00] know, and I critique things and it's not okay with me for these churches to break in all this money.And I, I talk about Lakewood a lot cuz that's just where I was, you know, had I been at Felicia's Church of Latter Day Saints and I would be talking about fucking Felicia, but that's not where I was. And so, you know, did, did break in all this money and then be firing volunteers. Mm-hmm. for where they hang out at when they're not at church, you know, when you're off camera.Mm-hmm. . So I'm not okay with Stuart: that. It's a business, it's a, I think it's easier if you begin to see it as a business and not a church. De'Vannon: Oh, it's, it's a grif. And so for those of you don't, Oh yeah, Grif is a Grif Is this religious shit we're talking about? Or Republicans or like when Donald Trump's wife, one of one of his ex wis fell her ass down the stairs and died the other day, you know, he took to his, his social media platform he created and gRED, he was like, She's dead.Would please donate ? So that, that's like a gr yeah, if you want further education, what Grifting is, [00:37:00] I do recommend Ms. Betty Bowers on Facebook. That's hilarious. She's hilarious. Trademark Glory, as she always says. She's very funny. Look up Ms. Betty Bowers. Very funny. And so now you were on a documentary called, In God, We Trump, I'm gonna include a link to this in my showy notes.I watched it on Vimeo earlier. It's the good like hour and a half of your life. I suggest everyone watch it. It's called In God, We Trump in this documentary. Traces the parallel parallelization, That's not a word. I've decided that it is the parallelization of Trump and Evangelicals. And how basically evangelicals created the ability for Donald Trump to become the president of these United States, and then all the as fuckery that followed.Talk to me about your experience on this documentary and why you agreed to be a part of it. [00:38:00]Stuart: I don't know how I got involved it in the first place but when I heard, I think it was through a friend, I think a friend of a friend knew the documentarian and was telling me about what was going on. He was trying to like find people to talk to as he was going around the us and so I reached out to him and we became friends too through the process of it.But he was just like, Yeah, I just want pastors that'll actually be honest about stuff that's going on here. He had a lot of conservative pastors that would not go on camera talking about what they honestly felt like. and yeah, when he traveled down here, cuz I'm in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, I was part of that leg of the tour.He, we set up a spot and talked about it and I was, I do much of what I do on the radio. I just tell it like it is, is the way I see it. And yes, this is the do, I mean really what's been happening is, especially with Roe v. Wade falling recently, this has been the conservative, like evangelical rights essentially wet dream for [00:39:00] 40 to 45 years.And so they've been moving this for years, this amongst other social issues and trying to ingrain them within politics because they saw politics as the way to be able to make social change happen, which is hilarious because they talk about God being the God of the universe and he being all powerful.But God needs us to infiltrate the government because God's too flacid to do anything. I, at least that's how I do it in my own head when they talk about it. But it is, it's, it's, it's a weird, disgusting thing that began to happen. Well that's been happening for a while. If anyone remembers like eighties, like the moral majority or like promise keepers, all this other BS that was kind of all in the line of where, where we are at now with what happened with the Supreme Court.And it'll be interesting to see what happens because I feel like, cuz this, this, I don't think this is in the documentary, but they're, they were, the, the Christian right was toying around with different issues that they thought would be flash points in culture to be able to beat their drum [00:40:00] on. And they, Jerry Falwell on a bunch of them, they would try certain ones, they wouldn't work.Eventually abortion became one of those things. Because before that actually Evangelicals and Christians really didn't have as much of an issue with abortion. With this, I mean, our country has been, we've had abortion since the beginning of the beginning of our country. What? Well, we're founded with what do we, you know, we're a Christian nation, we're founded with values, eh?They like to play around with the fact that we don't know history well, and they like to reframe history and tell us like how it's going to be. But we're now at a weird point in history where I feel like the, the dog finally caught the car, and I, I don't think the Republicans know what to do with it.I think they finally got what they wanted and now they're like, Oh, all right, let's just go take more . Like, we have nothing else to do. We've already stormed the castle. Let's take more. Which is also a terrifying period of time that we're moving into De'Vannon: mm-hmm. . Yeah. It sucks to be a woman right now. Yeah. [00:41:00] I mean, if I could scoop you all up and whi away to the the, to the island of Lesbos where supposedly so many of you emerge from, you know, I would let y'all just go have all the hot lesbian sex with each other for the rest of the time and just do whatever the fuck you want or invite occasional deck over or whatever.And so, but that's not gonna happen. So whatever I can to stand in solidarity with, with you women, folk, I'm more than happy to do. Stuart: And the sad part of it is with all of this is that it is really all a show with conservatives. I, I've I re this is years back when I, when I was at a pastor's meeting in our community, I was in, and this one pastor used to love to brag about how they would go and picket abortion clinics.And about what great work they're doing in the church. And I remember afterwards I didn't like call 'em out in front of it, but I was like, Hey, like, wouldn't it be easier? Like, wouldn't it be more Christlike to go and be like, Talk to these young women, say like, Our families will take your [00:42:00] children in.If that's really what you care about, we, we'll pay for your medical. We'll do all of this. And literally, after I do this whole thing with the music, man, that's too much work. He literally told me that. I mean, not in front of anybody else, but he told me in my face, Oh, that's too much work. So essentially picketing and shaming people, that's God's work.Caring for the children and the women that are in these situations, eh, it's inconvenient. And you know, he kind of said the quiet part out loud, but it's what so many folks, so many folks I think are in that weird dichotomy of this is evil. All right, well if you think it's evil, how could you fix it? I don't wanna fix it.It's too much work. De'Vannon: Sounds about Republican. Yeah. Because, you know, they only need, and I just wanna remind people that there is no national religion. The, the last time that I checked, this is not like the Middle East or something where we are officially the Nation of Islam, or everyone here is a Muslim.The, the United States is not supposed to be that way. Everyone here, this [00:43:00] is not a Christian nation. Mm-hmm. , but don't really like the fact that we have God on money and his name is invoked. Personally. I liked hearing about God since I follow him, but at the same time, we don't have a national religion.And so really, I think everyone should be left to themselves. But Stuart: Well, and God, we trust wasn't even added to the money until like the fifties. So again, like this is when they get all mad, like, Oh no, it's, it's this recent history. You guys, you've put a bunch of dbags about this. De'Vannon: And I'm sure that was, there was some sort of political advantage to that at the times.They wouldn't have just done that out of a love for God Stuart: because, Oh, even that, even, I mean, how you hear a sock about it, how the prayers been taken out of school. I, this is what's burned me. How do you take prayer out of school? Like, are you like, Oh wait, hey Johnny, your eyes are closed. Are you praying?Stop it. No, Maybe they took public ative school, which public prayer a lot of times is fairly useless. I feel like it's just pageantry and [00:44:00] speeches, but they, they don't understand even what they're saying, I De'Vannon: think anymore. And the thing that gets me about like the Republicans and the evangelicals, you know, as you're saying, they only wanna take their agenda as far as it goes to achieve whatever their end goal is, which is to be reelected.So ban this, Ban that, okay, I have more power, you know, fuck 'em. If we care that same mindset, people who are on drugs, people who have certain sicknesses and stuff like that, you know, let's just be against it. You know, let's just lock 'em up and stuff. Mental health issues, but we're not really gonna fix it.Like, it's absolutely senseless to me, like in my case, to lock me in jail for, carry a bunch of meth on me, or for getting caught high, or whatever the reasons people may be in there. But you're not gonna rehabilitate me for all that time. I'm just gonna get it back out. I'm gonna do the same shit. Mm-hmm.So, but when these people, these Republicans and these supposed Christians, all they, their talk is always about how they can change someone else. I never hear them say, [00:45:00] You know, and at least in those sincere way they talk about their relationship with God. You know how they love him or what the spirit is doing in their life and you know what's going on with them.You know, it's always about how we can go and fuck with people over here. Yep. But, but the Lord already told them that there's gonna be many people that says to him in that day talking about when they stand before the judgment thrown, we cast out devils in your name and we did this and we, we fucked with this person and we banned this.And the Lord told you that He's gonna tell you that depart from him, you, he, because you never knew him. You were too busy putting your energy into changing other people that you never bothered to cultivate a true relationship with the Stuart: Lord. I, I think you're right. I mean, I think in so many ways, and that's been one of like growing up as a kid around church, you learn how to do church.Like, you learn how to act, you learn how you're supposed to show up and do. And then even working in ministry for years, it was like, again, it's like a, it's a higher level of knowing what you have to [00:46:00] do. But, but some of the biggest growth I've had is, is, is that internal work. You know, it's, it's that internal space that it's not about performing, it's not about that.Some of it is about . Yeah. About seeking the god of the universe. Some of it's about learning to heal broken places within me and, and being able to do the work to, to, to process through all of that. But I think it, it takes a lot of contemplation and introspection, which I, I, I, again, I don't feel like a lot of modern day Christianity, at least in America, pushes a lot of contemplation and deep thought.And, and also they do a terrible job with mental health cuz a lot of time it's just pray it away. You're depressed, we'll pray for you. Hmm. That's not gonna always fix things. , sometimes you need to go to a counselor and that's okay. Or a therapist. De'Vannon: Yeah. Right. That's like that shit. There was a politician some damn where, and there was like a shooting that happened and like, or maybe [00:47:00] they had like a really bad trouble with like people getting shot, but this one lady's son had got shot like in his neck when a bullet came in the house.And the, this politician, I think it was in Kentucky, you know, he got on TV and he was like, I have a solution. We're all gonna pray and . Stuart: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that that, that's been one thing that has like gotten me like for, for the longest time I think prayer had been set up as some sort of like, almost like a, just dropping a penny in like a fountain kind of a thing.And, and one thing I've grown in as they've kind of grown processing myself, spirituality in spiritually and kind of walk with God is that if we're praying for a problem that we can already fix, I think God's gonna be like, Why are you talking to me about this? You know what I mean? Like, you have it within you already to do it.You're just being lazy and you don't wanna do it. We'd rather just punt and just say, All right, God's gonna do it because it makes us feel better for the moment. De'Vannon: But you know it.[00:48:00]Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, so, so, so much of what, you know, the church has preached these days is about like, either against people or the acquisition of things. Mm-hmm. . And so, which still takes your attention outside of yourself, but, you know, the Lord said that you can gain the whole world and lose your soul.He says you can take a whole city and not be able to control yourself. There's so many warnings, you know, in the Bible about being mindful about, you know, redirecting your attention, getting back the center mm-hmm. . So, so don't get so caught up on going, knocking on people doors, trying to convert them, or trying to go and get rich.When you forsake the thing that's the most important, which is your own damn self improvement. And so, I don't know, the Lord already has beat this dead horse all throughout all the scriptures. I don't think Republicans really read the fucking Bible, but I don't know. It's [00:49:00] already been said either, either y'all hardheaded asses are gonna listen, are you not?And when I say y'all's hardheaded asses, I'm not talking about my base. You know, my beautiful cus listeners and my audience, I'm talking about the, the, the conservative person who happened across this show, . Stuart: And that's Yes. Who, who, who ends up seeing, like being able to use scripture as a weapon against people, which it was never meant to be that way.We've got cloer passages, we've got all sorts of other stuff that people use Scripture and, and it's not meant to be. In that way. De'Vannon: Mm-hmm. . But when people are insecure and shit and they're not whole on the inside, then that's just a form of abuse. You know, they may not be taking their fists and punching someone in the face, but using a scripture to punch someone in the spirit or in the heart, it's still abuse so Stuart: well, and so much of that's taught where there's just like, I think we, we make everything so binary, like, you're good or you're bad.Like this is either good or bad. And we take like, any kind of [00:50:00] gray thinking or any middle ground or context out of situations, because a lot of folks read scripture without context, which is a terrible way to read scripture without understanding what else is happening, Like what is the author trying to convey, all those kind of a things.But I, I, I feel like that we get taught to do all of this, and then at some point, if we're just told, we're all sinful, we're all terrible, and God's not happy with us. Well, I can see a system where people be like, Well I don't, I don't sin or quote unquote sin like he does. So I can really push that cuz it makes me feel better.And then the worst folks that would say that, and again, quote unquote sin because I think that we've used sin very incorrectly in lots of different ways, but where people would be like, Yes, I don't struggle with that, but I really do struggle with that and I don't like what you're doing with your lifestyle even though I really wanna live that lifestyle.So somehow I'm gonna continue to do this and just be a big f and hypocrite in the whole process. So RINs and repeat RINs and repeat for American Christianity. De'Vannon: I want [00:51:00] you to talk about, from the documentary you were talking about how, how Oral Roberts had laid hands on you trying to heal you of asthmaAnd he, I think he forced you to lay on the ground. I've had this happen to me before, certain churches, but you actually were not healed of asthma. And give people background on who Oral Roberts is. Ah, Stuart: I'll give you just snippet in my background. Again, I told you conservative, conservative, conservative.When I was three years old, my I, a sister that was born that was severely like autistic and especially back in eighties, nobody knew what to do with it. So my mom's answer is, We gotta get her healed, right? Fix. We have to fix this because that's what we do. We want to have like a nice little middle class family.We need to fix it. So they would drag, she would drag me around cause my dad wouldn't go cuz he was a good conservative. But she would drag me around with her and my sister to tent meetings, revivals. Eventually we end up with, or Roberts or Roberts again, counter prosperity preacher before the time kind of a thing back in the day.But again, Griffy and all sorts of other fun stuff. [00:52:00] And so then I found myself, I think I'm probably about seven at the time I was, look, I was a kid, grew up with asthma, and my mom just like shoves me in line, doesn't tell me anything. She just shoves me in this line to like get marched up on the stage and I, I figure out what's happening.But again, I'm standing there and they're. Do like the hand to the head, like an asthma, You're healed. Cuz they, Oh cuz what they did is they wrote, they asked me what my problem was and I had a card to my hand and I had to write down asthma. So like I hand it to a dude, he whispers the oral and then, you know, which again that name, I just feel so weird about it anyways.But , it just feels like a pet name. He had a whole background, I don't know, continuing on, but yeah. Or Roberts. So yeah, whispers, asthma grabs my head, pushes me back and I'm not trying to be like, I was a kid wanting to be like, I want God to heal me. And he pushes me back and I just step back and I keep standing there cause I'm like, I don't feel any different.And then, so it happened like a few times eventually to where they had these guys kind of like, they push me where they kind of made sure they caught me and pulled me [00:53:00] back cuz hey man, he's healed. And I'm like, I, I knew as a seven year old, I need my inhaler. I'm not healed. But then the answer for my mother was, Oh, you just didn't have enough faith, which is the loop hold.They put you into that trap with. If it didn't work, not my fault, it's yours. You didn't have enough faith, which again, is hugely abusive, especially to children and actually any human to say that, yeah, if only you had enough faith, God would've fixed you, but not sucks to be you. De'Vannon: It reminds me of a lot of bullshit that I heard when I, I was watching a, again, another documentary on Netflix to keep sweet prey and obey documentary.Is that good? I Stuart: haven't, I haven't, I haven't dipped my toes in that one yet. De'Vannon: I bing the whole damn thing. . So you dip your toes, your dick and everything else in it. I, it is worthy. Okay. Thank you. And, and that, so that [00:54:00] documentary all is about the I think the fellowship of Latter Day Saints Jeff's, you know, the them people and people living offensive seclusion and, you know, 50 wives and a shitload of children and everything like that, and so on and so forth.It's, it's, it's, Stuart: they, they're the folks that even the mor, like the, the normal Mormons are like, those folks are crazy. Which youDe'Vannon: So tell me about the time and Oh, and speaking of documentaries, look, is there any documentarians running around out there? You can come recruit me because I'm ready to spill all kinds of tea. I'm ready to bring my mouth and talk. I ain't shy about shit. I'm ready to go on some documentaries. Right. This audition taper here,I will use it. It worked for Steve Harvey before he, yeah, before he had all of his five businesses and shows now when he was still doing standup and stuff. When, when he had a, whenever he had a camera in front of him, he just looked through the camera and said, [00:55:00] Hey, you people who control the shows, I want a talk show.I want, you know, he's looked into whatever camera was in front of him and said what the fuck he wanted and he got it. So, so yes, I wanna be on documentaries. I want my talks yet, I want, but deals. Give me everything. Fuck it. . Tell me about the time you smuggled a Cameron to the Trinity Broadcasting Network.Stuart: That, Okay, so I, I, this is part of me being probably a counter cultural Christian, even back when I was in the mix of it. So I, I'd worked for an evangelistic organization where we would we worked with like at risk street kids type of stuff. And so the whole goal is that we're supposed to just evangelize them, send 'em to the kingdom.But I, that never sat right with me cuz I was like, what are we inviting them into? Like, just pray a prayer so you're not going to hell. And then No, no, I was like, it needs to be, you're inviting someone [00:56:00] into something greater, like a different way of doing it. And so we were, we, I took some of these kids, like street kids, which is hilarious.Like you're taking them down to do missions work in la. So, you know, so their whole idea is I'm spending my spring break helping other people that are doing the, in some like, yes. So when I took them down there, I just I was like, I know TBN is around here. And I told them, I was like, I just wanna take you into the thing that is absolutely not Christianity, , none of this has anything to do with Christianity.And so they let us in, they let us, I didn't even really smuggle it that much. It was mainly just the idea where, I think the guy at the door, I was like, Oh, I'm such a fan. I love this and everything. And he was so great. So I. Essentially just lied. And so he led us with a group of kids in, Cuz I was like, Oh, we wanna show the Youth of America how wonderful this is at TBN Studios.And it led me to walking around and mocking everything on video that I was seeing cuz it is nuts. Spray painted gold toilets, all the other stuff. Like, it's, it's, it's [00:57:00] gross. It was like, yeah, it was like Liberacci had an orgasm somewhere and it is tbn like it was, everything is painted gold. Everything was just over the top like decadent in ways that you're kind of like, what is, is this Vegas?It really felt like Vegas more than it did any kind of a Christian ministry. But like cheap Vegas, whatever that is. , like, we're fake in Vegas, so, so it's more like Reno, I guess. . De'Vannon: But that's a part of the hypnotherapy though, you know, So the basis or, or conditioning, you know, it's all a part of hypnotherapy.And then h therapy, all it means is to overload the conscious mind so that you can gain access to the subconscious. And you do that by simply making the conscious mind focus on more than one thing. Because my conscious mind can only focus on one thing at a time. And so if you've got all of this crazy, fake, opulent shit going on and bitches running around where faces full of clown makeup and the [00:58:00] shouting, and the hollering the music, you don't, you, you, you don't have no ability to be critical unless you intend to be critical.You know, you're, you, you are in conscious overload. Mm-hmm. . And then that's how you become suggestible, as we call it in Hy therapy. Your mind is now in a suggestible state and you will receive what's being presented to you. With much less criticism, if any at all. Stuart: Did you just describe a Sunday morning service?Oh. Oh. Was hidden it there? I'm joking. . But it almost, I mean, that's the whole idea we're we conditioned you to be receptive to what we're saying in, in a weird, manipulative way. I feel like church ends up kind of doing that in their own controlling, non-controlling way. De'Vannon: You know what, say having this discussion right now makes me think about that chant that Joel does before each time he preaches.So he'll get his Bible and wave it around and the whole church will chant with him and he'll say, This is my Bible. I am, I have what it says I have. I am what it says I am. And he'll say, You know, my [00:59:00] mind is opened, My heart is Seth if I'm about to receive, you know? And then there's just this whole thing I'm like, and I'm thinking, Oh my God, this, you know, there was a whole, He was hypnotizing us the whole time.Mm-hmm. . You know, it seems like an innocent group chant and everything like that, but now the shit seems really culty when I look back on it. Mm. Why you can't just get up there and say, What the fuck you gotta say? Why you gotta have us chant with you to, to say that we're now gonna be vulnerable to what you wanna say.Mm-hmm. . Stuart: But it's, it's, it's about Brandon and it's about keep bringing you back every week. You know, It's about, it's again, you mentioned being a drug dealer. This is kind of being like a holy drug dealer, but it's never gonna get you what you want, but it's only gonna give you that taste and keep you coming back every Sunday De'Vannon: with promises of what could be.Mm-hmm. . Stuart: Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. You're wanting to read, you

The Victory Church Podcast
How to Keep What You Received | Festus Nsoha

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2022 104:53


Are you wondering how to keep the things that you have received through faith.  Guest Speaker Festus Nsoha explains why love is a key component for this. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

Go Ask Ali
Microdosing Mommies w/ Michael Pollan

Go Ask Ali

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2022 60:48


The promise and merits of psychedelic therapy has resurfaced from its original heyday in the 60s and 70s in no small part due to journalist and psychonaut Michael Pollan. Pollan's book How to Change Your Mind and recent Netflix documentary of the same name explores the exciting new research into the use of LSD, psilocybin, and MDMA to help people with things like PTSD, OCD, anxiety, depression, rumination and more. Ali gets all the info straight from the source and also explores an emerging fad called microdosing. Microdosing is taking such a small amount of a substance that there is no psychoactive effect and yet many people, including a mom Ali also talks to, report feeling calmer and more joyous. So Ali wonders, could microdosing help people be better parents? If you have questions or guest suggestions, Ali would love to hear from you. Call or text her at (323) 364-6356. Or email go-ask-ali-podcast-at-gmail.com. (No dashes) Links of Interest: Michael Pollan Website:  https://michaelpollan.com James Fadiman's Microdosing Website: https://microdosinginstitute.com/microdosing-101/james-fadiman/ Mycology Psychology: https://www.mycologypsychology.com/ MDMA addiction: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/ecstasy-abuseSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Voices of Esalen
Encore Presentation: Michael Pollan at Esalen Psychedelic Integration Conference, 2019

Voices of Esalen

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2022 63:08


Today our episode is an encore presentation of Michael Pollan's keynote presentation at the 2019 Psychedelic Integration Conference at the Esalen Institute. Pollan is the author of six New York Times bestsellers, including 2018's “How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence.” This tome has become a four-part Netflix show, also entitled “How to Change Your Mind.” Pollan gives a great speech here, touching upon the pervasiveness of the human tendency to want to change consciousness, the ways that noetic understanding can add to healing on the psychedelic journey, the radical ways that plants can change us and change consciousness, and the ways that he remains a skeptic to some of the more grandiose claims of the psychedelic movement. A must-listen for fans and for newbies alike.

Ravens Vault: A Baltimore Ravens podcast
68. MRV: Does THIS John Harbaugh 4th Down Explanation Change Your Mind?

Ravens Vault: A Baltimore Ravens podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2022 21:58


John Harbaugh met with the media Monday and came prepared with in-depth analysis to explain and defend his decision to go for a touchdown instead of a field goal in Sunday's loss to the Buffalo Bills. On this edition of the Vault, Sarah & Bobby dive into that topic and more: Did John Harbaugh's explanation sway us? Saluting the 11-year career of longtime Raven Jimmy Smith Context re: Rashod Bateman's mid-foot injury Good news for RB Justice Hill Even better news for fellow RB Gus Edwards And more... Interested in reaching out to the show? Hit us up: BaltimoreRavensVault@gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zen(ish) Mommy
The Power of Mushrooms with Tracey Tee

Zen(ish) Mommy

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2022 41:40


Hey mamas! During this season, we've talked about a number of alternative healing modalities. Today's guest is Tracey Tee, co-founder and CEO of Band of Mothers Media and creator of Moms on Mushrooms, a micro-dosing course made exclusively for moms. With over ten years of experience in the mom sphere, Tracey has recently created an intimate, sacred space for mothers to explore the use of plant medicine. Join us to hear what she has to say about the difference between traditional healing modalities, recreational drug use, and microdosing in order to go inward and begin a healing journey. You'll learn how Tracey navigated difficult changes in her own life with the support of psilocybin, and how plant medicine works to repattern the triggering aspects of the brain. Tracey shares advice from her own journey and research, reminding us of our skewed attitudes towards drugs based on the government's approval, and encourages listeners to open their minds to this powerful healing modality today. Thanks for tuning in. Key Points From This Episode:Today's guest: co-founder of Band of Mothers Media and creator of Moms on Mushrooms.The micro-dosing course Tracey offers and why she has chosen to target moms.Tracey's relationship with drugs and alcohol leading up to this point.The mindset shift from getting fucked up to using drugs to heal.Band of Mothers Media, turning 40, and the journey of spiritual growth that Tracey went on.How losing everything in 2020 led to an out-of-body experience.The support she found in microdosing that helped her to alchemize it all.How psychedelics bring the dark stuff to the surface, empowering you to face it.Growing mushrooms at home, and how they grow everywhere on earth.What a microdose is: a sub-perceptual dose of psilocybin with no psychotropic effects.How plant medicine can help the triggering aspects of your brain to repattern.The difference between the effect of SSRIs and psilocybin as healing modalities.Frequency around microdosing: five days on with two days off, or four days on with three days off.What the digital microdosing course consists of: a three-month course with six biweekly calls and six biweekly lessons.How she learned about the value of community and therapy.What she tells naysayers: open your mind with a reverence towards other cultures.Advice for mamas who want to slow down: take it slow, learn how to be vulnerable, and learn to reject the idea of being a supermom.Changing your life to look how you want it to, and beating skepticism to find real solutions.Where to find Moms on Mushrooms online.Her $50 discount on the microdosing course for today's listeners.Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: How to Change Your Mind on AmazonTracey Tee on LinkedIn Moms on Mushrooms Moms on Mushrooms on Instagram Band of MothersThe Zen MommyZen Mommy InstagramGo to ahimsahome.com to get your set of smart stainless steel dishes for your kiddos. Use code "ZENMOM" for 15% offexclusions on bundles, gift cards, and moveable meal collectionsSupport the show

The Change Gang Podcast
Change Your Mind, Change Your Life!

The Change Gang Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2022 12:59


We all need to start the change process with changing our mindset. In this episode I give you a few steps to start that.  I also share about my new program where I guide you through each of those steps to a place of progress and confidence! The program starts October 8, 2022 and the details are right here - Change Your Mind, Change Your Life And you can get that free Guide to Color Energy I mention here - Guide to Color Energy You are so welcome to join us in the Change Gang Group on Facebook! The Change Gang Group And your tips for supercharging your success, including a free meditation to get you started, are right here - Supercharge Your Success You can reach me on Facebook at - Laura Ordile Magical Mindset Mentor And on Instagram - Laura Ordile Happy day to you! :)    

The Victory Church Podcast
Agape | Festus Nsoha

The Victory Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2022 47:28


Is agape love the driving force in your life? Do you rejoice in your sufferings? Guest Speaker Festus Nsoha delivers a challenging message that will change how you view adversity and setbacks in your life. Resources: Pastor Mitch's new book!: Change Your Mind to Change Your Life! Sermon Notes: Victory Church Notes Website: victorychurchraleigh.com Subscribe to our Weekly Podcast! Read Pastor Mitch's Daily Blog

David Hoffmeister & A Course In Miracles
Documentary "How To Change Your Mind - Episode 3" Lifelong Dedication to the Calling by David Hoffmeister - A Weekly Online Movie Workshop

David Hoffmeister & A Course In Miracles

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2022 124:05


Documentary "How To Change Your Mind - Episode 3" Lifelong Dedication to the Calling by David Hoffmeister - A Weekly Online Movie WorkshopIf you look at things of the world and the things you only give partial attention to or partial devotion to, it will come out sloppy. If you're not attentive to your driving skills, it gets messy. Suppose you're not careful to clean your house. Notice that the house gets dirty and disorganized and if you're trying to learn something, and you don't give it a full effort, then the chances are, you're not going to do well. So unless you give your whole heart and attention to the Holy Spirit to transcend the ego, you will not succeed. You can't hope that you can give it a 90% effort and transcend the ego because the ego will be laughing at that 10% and say Oh, I can make this 10% into madness. Thank you. I'm a death wish, so I'll wreak havoc in your mind. Enjoy David Hoffmeister's commentary and profound A Course in Miracles content in this episode 3 of the Netflix documentary series 'How to change your mind,' The new science of psychedelics, and learn about Lifelong Dedication to the Calling.You can watch the introduction to the movie on YouTube: https://youtu.be/PWh5zS5a0Rg.If you want to know more about Living Miracles, and the Weekly Movie Workshops, look here: https://bit.ly/ACIM-Movie-Workshop.Look for more info on David Hoffmeister and Monthly Online Retreats: https://circle.livingmiraclescenter.org/events.The movie workshop was recorded Saturday, October 1, 2022, in Chapala, Mexico.

The Instigators
Does Dreger's opinion change your mind on the Sabres getting Jason Robertson?

The Instigators

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2022 3:03


With what was said by Dreger do you still believe that the Sabres can still get Jason Robertson?

60 Mindful Minutes
EP203: Permission to Change Your Mind

60 Mindful Minutes

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 29, 2022 9:22


What if at the outset of any new endeavor—a new job, a new hobby, a new book—we gave ourselves permission to just try? What if we remember going in that we can always change our minds, that trying is just trying, not committing? I think we all need to fill our lives with more no-strings-attached tries. This week I share some ways to do just that.   Learn more about Kristen Manieri and coaching: Kristen@kristenmanieri.com KristenManieri.com   Host Bio Kristen Manieri is a coach who works with teams to increase both productivity and wellbeing. She also helps individuals navigate transition with clarity and confidence. Her areas of focus are: stress reduction, energy management, mindset, resilience, habit formation, rest rituals, and self-care. As the host of the weekly 60 Mindful Minutes podcast, an Apple top 100 social science podcast, Kristen has interviewed over 200 authors about what it means to live a more conscious, connected, intentional and joyful life. Learn more at kristenmanieri.com/work-with-me.    Coaching I have two coaching spots opening up this fall. If you've ever considered coaching, or if you're feelings stuck or you're about to make a big transition, reach out to me and we can talk about how I can help you navigate what's ahead with more confidence and clarity. You can reach me at Kristen@kristenmanieri.com.   Full Transcript The other day during a yoga class, the instructor invited us to add a few adjustments the pose we were in. “You can reach upward. You can extend through your toes. You can even extend one leg back,” she said. “And remember, you can always change your mind.” Hmmmm. I thought. That's new. I'd never heard an instructor say that before. But I immediately noticed a sense of ease around my willingness to attempt the more challenging iterations of the pose. In essence, she was giving me permission to just try.    This struck me as an important life lesson.  What if at the outset of any new endeavor—a new job, a new exercise experience, a hobby, a new book—we give ourselves permission to just try? What if we remember going in that we can always change our minds, that trying is just trying, not committing?   The thing about trying something new is that we can't possibly know going in how we will feel about it once we've started. We can predict based on our past experiences and what others might have experienced, but the truth is that we really don't know what's going to happen until we try.   I think we all need to fill our lives with more no-strings-attached tries. Here are some ways to do just that:   Dabble In 2015, author Elizabeth Gilbert gave a talk for Oprah's SuperSoul Sessions on the two types of passion-seekers: jackhammers and hummingbirds. While jackhammers fixate on a project or task with relentless, almost obsessive, devotion, hummingbirds move from tree to tree, flower to flower, trying all sorts of things along the way.   This metaphor points to how we can let go of passion and instead follow curiosity. Said another way, we dabble. Dabbling is all about trying new things—hobbies, interests, experiences, foods—for the sake of not only expanding our horizons, but to disrupt our habitual thinking patterns and discover innovative thoughts, ideas and solutions.   You make trying new things part of your regular routine. Begin with starting a dabble journal or creating a list of things you'd like to explore. Dabbling doesn't commit you to anything or mean that you have to give up anything; it simply means you check things out. Once you have a solid list, make some time each week to do some dabbling. Watch a YouTube video, go to the library and find some books, listen to a podcast, do some Pinterest pinning, and get out in the world and explore where your curiosity leads you. Notice how this process makes you feel. Be present to the experience of dabbling.     Play According to Stuart Brown, author of Play: How it Shapes the Brain, Opens the Imagination, and Invigorates the Soul, play is an essential part of wellbeing. Why? Because it is in our moments of fun and freedom that we disengage from time, purposefulness and worry. Said plainly, it's where we find joy, a precursor to optimism, possibility and insight.   But play can feel so indulgent and silly, even awkward. It's as though we forget how to do it once we become adults. Turns out, we're simply out of practice. Making intentional space for play is a habit we can cultivate by beginning to consider what makes us laugh and feel unplugged. We prioritize play because feeling good matters.   A life that is devoid of fun and play begins to feel gloomy and lackluster. But when we sprinkle our days with laughter and levity, even our tough moments can feel less difficult. Joy makes life more beautiful, fun and easy. Play makes us feel more alive.   Try making a list of things that are fun to you. Think of board games that make you laugh, and pastimes or hobbies that make you smile. Consider what you loved to do as a kid. Grant yourself permission to set aside time for these activities each day or week.     Consider designating the time between dinner and going to bed as “playtime.” Commit to 30 to 60 minutes of play and fun by yourself or with others. Make play a priority.    Flaneur I'd never heard the word “flaneur” until l I interviewed Erika Owen on my podcast. Erika was so smitten with the French concept of meaningfully and mindfully meandering through a city that she wrote the book, The Art of Flaneuring: How to Wander with Intention and Discover a Better Life.   Wandering is in direct contrast to our highly purpose-driven way of doing life. Whether we're at a grocery store or walking through our neighborhood, we know exactly what we mean to do and where we mean to go. But in our single-mindedness and narrowed determination, we miss out on what's lying at the edges of our attention.   The antidote to this linear thinking and living is what Andrew Dietz describes as purposeful purposelessness in his book Follow the Meander: An Indirect Route to a More Creative Life. When we wander with intention, we cultivate mindfulness and tap into new insights, but also increase gratitude and fall more deeply in love with wherever we are. We loosen our preoccupation with what is in order to create space for what could be.   Try spending some time each day or week being aimless. Set aside ten or fifteen minutes to wander, even if it's in or around your own home. Resist the urge to do something productive or accomplish anything. Notice any discomfort you feel and use it as an opportunity to be more present. Think of a few places you go each week and look to attach a few aimless minutes to the experience.    And Most Importantly… Embrace Missteps Before I sold my previous business back in early 2020, I often set off in unchartered directions with a new revenue idea. In one particular instance, an idea sent me down an exciting but very expensive road. The concept never panned out and it ended up costing far more money that I had anticipated. I learned a lot from the experience but it started to sow seeds of self-doubt, causing me to shy away from my entrepreneurial inspirations.   What I now see is that life gives us countless opportunities to stretch beyond our own boundaries. New ventures, relationships, even a new hairstyle, gently push us outside of our comfort zones toward our growth and learning zones. Whether things turn out as we hoped is beside the point; the real gold is who we become when we stretch ourselves.   Our missteps and blunders are simply fodder for our development, not evidence that we're failures. When we embrace the results of our efforts, even when we'd wish those results to be different, we're able to see how our experiences can shape us for the better, not hold us back.    What could you try today? Find one thing and then give yourself permission to dabble, play and flaneur. And remember, you can always change your mind.