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Welcome to the Season Finale of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give some love to one of THE GOATS

Welcome to a BONUS episode of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give some love a guy who had the late 90's & 2000's R&B game on lock, Tyrese. Vibe with Ty as we listen to some of his oldies that had the ladies going crazy. Track List:Intro | Tyrese - Sweet LadyOutro | Tyrese - LatelyTyrese - How You Gonna Act Like That Tyrese - Signs of Love Makin' Chingy ft Tyrese - Pullin' Me Back Tyrese - StayBecome a member of our Patreon & watch here for free:https://patreon.com/user?u=93647927&utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLinkFollow Epic Echo Productions on social media:https://www.facebook.com/epicechopro/https://www.instagram.com/_epicecho/Subscribe to Ty's Youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/@TyronzaDHicks

Welcome to a brand-new episode of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give some love to one of THE GOATS

Welcome to a brand-new episode of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give some love to one of THE GOATS

Welcome to a brand-new episode of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give some love to one of The Queen's Of R&B if not THE QUEEN HERSELF, Victoria Monet. Vibe with Ty as we listen to some her 'oldies' while getting into some new heat off of her latest project, Jaguar. Track List:Intro | Victoria Monét - Coastin'Outro | Victoria Monét - On My MamaVictoria Monét - Ass Like ThatVictoria Monét - Touch Me Victoria Monét - Cadillac (A Pimp's Anthem)Victoria Monét - Love Is Stronger Than Pride Become a member of our Patreon & watch here for free:https://patreon.com/user?u=93647927&utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLinkFollow Epic Echo Productions on social media:https://www.facebook.com/epicechopro/https://www.instagram.com/_epicecho/Subscribe to Ty's Youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/@TyronzaDHicks

Send us a textPlayboi Carti is back with his highly anticipated album I AM MUSIC, and we're breaking it all down on this episode of Gaslight & Chill! From the beats to the bars, the energy to the aesthetics — we're diving deep into Carti's latest project. Is this his best work yet? Did he redefine his sound again? Tune in to hear our thoughts, favorite tracks, and standout moments.Drop your thoughts in the comments — we want to hear what you think about I AM MUSIC!

Welcome to a brand-new episode of The R&B N' Chill Podcast.In this episode, we give flowers to the Iconic & Soulful, Angie Stone, who recently & tragically passed away at 63. We celebrate her through some of her classic tracks and amazing music.R.I.P. Angie B!Track List:Intro | Angie Stone ft. Snoop Dog - I Wanna Thank YaOutro | Angie Stone - No More RainAngie Stone - BrothaAngie Stone ft. Calvin Richardson- More Than A WomanAngie Stone - Pissed OffAngie Stone ft. Betty Wright - BabyBecome a member of our Patreon & watch here for free:https://patreon.com/user?u=93647927&utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLinkFollow Epic Echo Productions on social media:https://www.facebook.com/epicechopro/https://www.instagram.com/_epicecho/Subscribe to Ty's Youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/@TyronzaDHicks

Wednesday 10/2/24 | 9:35PM EST / 6:35PM PAC The MCU'S Bleeding Edge is LIVE this Wednesday night with a review of Agatha All Along Episode 4! Co-host Jeff S ($TrueKnowledge) will be moderating, with Co-host Cyberneticshark, Andres The Pop Culture Guy, Imran from The Jock and Nerd Podcast, and Raymon from Booze & Chill Podcast joining the guest panel. Support us by leaving a like, dropping a comment, subscribing, and turning on notifications on YouTube. Your support helps keep the content going strong! Cybers LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@cyberneticshark all his links can be found on YT!! Andres LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@PopCultureguy https://www.youtube.com/@DCMarvelPlusTalk All The MCU'S Bleeding Edge's LINKS https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090571329875 https://www.twitch.tv/themcusbleedingedge https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge https://rumble.com/c/c-1009757 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://www.tiktok.com/@UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://twitter.com/mcusbleedingedg Co-host Cyberneticshark is using a Logitech BRIO along with Skullcandy headphones, a Audio- Technica AT2020 Condenser Studio Microphone, going through a 2021 Flagship Lenovo Legion 5 Gaming laptop. Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) is working with a Audio- Technica ATR2100 Condenser Studio Microphone, along with a pair of Audio- Technica Headphones, Logitech BRIO- C920-C922-Streamcam, going through a 2023 MacBook Pro along with using a ACER Nitro 5.

Want to connect with Tj & Plaideau? Send us a text message.Our latest episode comes to you from a live panel at Fan Expo 2025 in the vibrant city of New Orleans, where we unveil the charm of "I Dig Crazy Flicks by Ninety for Chill the Podcast." The premise celebrates films with run times between 70 and 100 minutes. Joined by Tj and Plaideau of the NOLA Film Scene Podcast, we journey through the eclectic landscape of cinema, relishing cult classics like "Hawk the Slayer" and "Flash Gordon." Together, we revel in the eccentricities of low-budget filmmaking and share the joy of stumbling upon bizarre gems such as "Wheel of Heaven."Support the showFollow us on IG @nolafilmscene, @kodaksbykojack, and @tjsebastianofficial. Check out our 48 Hour Film Project short film Waiting for Gateaux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pFvn4cd1U . & check out our website: nolafilmscene.com

Bienvenue dans le premier épisode de 2025 du Sofa & Chill Podcast! Un épisode court pour changer. Dans ce nouvel épisode, on discute des différents sujets qu'on veut chacune développer cette année. Et toi, quelles sont tes résolutions Comme toujours, partage ton avis et N'OUBLIE PAS DE T'ABONNER! PS: Allez suivre la nouvelle marque de Charlotte (VOUS AVEZ PAS LE CHOIX, ICI C'EST UNE DICTATURE

What a trip! We landed mucho marlin, lost mucho marlin, and got some tuna to the boat. All on the fly! There were trials and tribulations but no one lost an eye so that's good. Can't wait to go back. This episode is about our trip and a quick break down of what to expect when you go on a Taco Tour with Taco Fly Co. Hope you enjoy and you need to get down there. ASAP. Much love to all of those who made it happen. Check out Jeff's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tothegills/?hl=en MagBay Lodge: https://magbaylodge.com/ Holler if you want to get out there with us! info@tacoflyco.com

We're SO back!!! Reuben's bad with timelines, Kabir's handsome as ever, and we've got a lot to catch up onThank you for listening! You can follow us on Instagram (@onyourmentalpod) and DM us if you've got anything to share or say!

On this Patreon exclusive of The R&B N' Chill Podcast, Ty give his in-depth and honest opinion on his recent experience with the Queens Of R&B Tour giving his pros and cons on the vocals and performances. Follow R&B N' Chill on social media: https://twitter.com/epicechopro https://www.facebook.com/epicechopro/ https://www.instagram.com/_epicecho/ Listen to the full episode: https://www.epicechopro.comHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

The greasy and crunchy details from the taco tour! I would put links here but I have typed it twice and this stupid app has deleted it twice and I hate this stupid computer right now. ENJOY THE EPISODE!! Thanks Redington, Tributaries, Matt Klara, Mark Raisler, Joseph Lema, Wayne Peterson, and Chrisy Tran.

Welcome to the R&B N' Chill Podcast! Season 8! On this episode, Live from The Metro Podcast Studio in Downtown Manhattan, Ty sits with legendary singer, songwriter, producer & Brooklyn's own, D-Train. They discuss his upbringing in the heart of Brooklyn where his interest and love for music became more than just a dream. D-Train talks creating his small single, "You're the One for Me" and how that changed the trajectory of his career while also hinting at some big name artist that he has worked with. Finally, D-Train talk his new upcoming project with his new single, "Time Has Come Today" and shares his thoughts about P. Diddy.   Follow R&B N' Chill on social media: https://twitter.com/epicechopro https://www.facebook.com/epicechopro/ https://www.instagram.com/_epicecho/ Listen to the full episode: https://www.epicechopro.com Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Wednesday 6/19/24 9:35PM EST / 6:35PM PAC, The MCU'S Bleeding Edge continues its Star Wars RECAP coverage of The Acolyte with Episode 3 "Destiny," sure to fulfill all your gay Star Wars dreams we promise!! Co-host Cyberneticshark is back moderating this evening's LIVE show with Co-host Jeff S ($TrueKnowledge) joining a large and all Bleeding Edge Veteran guest panel made up of Jason Leech, Ramon of Booze & Chill Podcast, Jrent of A Podcast Odyssey, and Brad of The Gentle Dorks Podcast. Come check out the live discussion on the immaculate force conception EP 3 is blessing us with, along with the always amazing acting of Amandla "I hate white people" Stenberg, fun to chat about as well!! We will hopefully see you during the LIVE, but even if you are just catching us in video/audio form, please consider liking, following, subscribing, writing a review on Apple Podcasts, and turning on all notifications for our YouTube Channel. Intro Outro Music- " The Most" by BAER Cybers LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@cyberneticshark all his links can be found on YT!! Andres LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@PopCultureguy https://www.youtube.com/@DCMarvelPlusTalk Jrents-LINKS https://www.facebook.com/PodcastOdysseyLive https://.apple.com/us/podcast/jrent2000s-podcast-odyssey/id1589282980 Ramon https://www.youtube.com/@BoozeandChillhttps://open.spotify.com/show/69iiVdWzJNHSTfBtCZcXaA?si=ajG23KT7TXu0Gda4PfKWNw&dd=1&nd=1&dlsi=ab3b2029de8d4a37 Jason- https://www.youtube.com/@DJBProductionsNetwork All The MCU'S Bleeding Edge's LINKS https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090571329875 https://www.twitch.tv/themcusbleedingedge https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edgehttps://rumble.com/c/c-1009757 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://www.tiktok.com/@UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://twitter.com/mcusbleedingedg Co-host Cyberneticshark is using a Logitech BRIO along with Skullcandy headphones, a Audio- Technica AT2020 Condenser Studio Microphone, going through a 2021 Flagship Lenovo Legion 5 Gaming laptop. Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) is working with a Audio- Technica ATR2100 Condenser Studio Microphone, along with a pair of Audio- Technica Headphones, Logitech BRIO- C920-C922-Streamcam, going through a 2023 MacBook Pro along with using a ACER Nitro 5. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge/message

In this episode I talk about all things that give stoke! Some updates on the brand, post Trinity River report, how to have fun, and the importance of mental health. It's Men's Mental Health month so let's talk about it! Let's hug and go fishing. #tacoflyco #hugs #anchorupandchill Some links: Patreon Page - https://www.patreon.com/tacoflyco Contact for a trip here - https://tacoflyco.com/pages/contact If you want to sponsor the podcast, you can contact me at info@tacoflyco.com.

There is no shame in the money game - or at least there won't be after you hear this episode! This week, we're joined by Founder and CEO of Your Rich BFF Media, Author of NYT Bestselling book, Rich AF - “The Winning Money Mindset That Will Change Your Life” and Host of the Networth & Chill Podcast, Vivian Tu as she shares money saving tips and tricks from her book, advice for having tough conversations about your finances with your partner and why we don't need to be ashamed for not knowing this sh*t already.  Purchase Vivian's Book “Rich AF“ at the link below: https://www.yourrichbff.com/richaf To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, I have Gian Lawrence on to talk about fly fishing, graffiti, being down and brown, his "We Out Here" video series, aqua camp and all kinds of other hood shit. MAD LOVE to this dude and his journey on and off the water. He is a rad dude who has a big ass heart and a profound love for his homies and his family. ENJOY! Some Links: Check his instagram - https://www.instagram.com/theblackstonefly/?hl=en "We Out Here" series - Here is a link to the episode Austin Leonard's episode Aqua Camp - Give them a follow!

Embark on a spellbinding voyage with us on the R&B N' Chill Podcast as we sit down with the remarkable Joi Carter – singer, songwriter, and reality TV luminary. Join us as Joi unveils the intricacies of her awe-inspiring journey from the vibrant streets of Baltimore to the glittering stages of musical stardom. Prepare to be enraptured as Joi shares unforgettable tales from her illustrious career, recounting her experiences as a background vocalist for R&B legends like Carl Thomas and her pivotal role in iconic music groups like Mambo Sauce. But that's just the tip of the iceberg – brace yourselves as Joi unveils the untold stories that have shaped her path, offering a rare glimpse into the heart and soul of a true musical artisan. From soaring highs to poignant lows, Joi bares it all in this riveting conversation, weaving a tapestry of dreams and reality that will leave you utterly captivated. Don't miss out on this extraordinary episode as we celebrate the indomitable spirit and timeless talent of Joi Carter. Tune in, lean back, and let the music of her life wash over you in waves of pure inspiration. For more, check out website: https://www.epicechopro.com #joicarter #interviews #rnbHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Join us on the R&B N' Chill Podcast for an electrifying artist spotlight interview as we welcome back the radiant Sanavi, a dear friend of the show. In this captivating episode, Sanavi shares her exhilarating journey since her last appearance, delving into the soaring success following the release of her latest single, "Elevating." But that's just the beginning – brace yourselves as Sanavi unveils surprising insights into her musical evolution, teasing the tantalizing prospect of venturing into the world of rap! From soulful melodies to dynamic rhymes, get ready to witness the artistic metamorphosis of a rising star. Tune in for an exclusive peek behind the scenes as Sanavi dishes on her creative process, upcoming projects, and the boundless horizons of her musical universe. Get cozy, hit play, and immerse yourself in the soul-stirring rhythms of Sanavi's captivating story. For more, check out our website: https://www.epicechopro.com #sanavi #interviews #rnbHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

On Monday, 4/15/24 at 10:00PM EST/7PM PAC, join us for a riveting discussion on X-Men '97 EP 4 "Motendo / Lifedeath – Part 1". Leading the charge is the creator and co-host of The MCU'S Bleeding Edge, with the special guest co-host, Andres The Pop Culture Guy. Backing them up are esteemed guests Raymon of the Booze & Chill Podcast on YouTube and Jrent, host of A Podcast Odyssey on Facebook. Our two-hour livestream will culminate with a trailer watch and react session for Alien: Romulus and The Joker 2. Don't miss out on the action and insights! Consider liking, following, subscribing, and turning on notifications for our YouTube Channel to stay updated on all our future broadcasts. Join the conversation and be part of our community! Intro Outro Music- " The Most" by BAER Cybers LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@cyberneticshark all his links can be found on YT!! Andres LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@PopCultureguy https://www.youtube.com/@DCMarvelPlusTalk Joey's LINKS- https://www.facebook.com/PodcastOdysseyLive https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jrent2000s-podcast-odyssey/id1589282980 All The MCU'S Bleeding Edge's LINKS https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090571329875 https://www.twitch.tv/themcusbleedingedge https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge https://rumble.com/c/c-1009757 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://www.tiktok.com/@UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://twitter.com/mcusbleedingedg Co-host Cyberneticshark is using a Logitech BRIO along with Skullcandy headphones, a Audio- Technica AT2020 Condenser Studio Microphone, going through a 2021 Flagship Lenovo Legion 5 Gaming laptop. Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) is working with a Audio- Technica ATR2100 Condenser Studio Microphone, along with a pair of Audio- Technica Headphones, Logitech BRIO- C920-C922-Streamcam, going through a 2023 MacBook Pro along with using a ACER Nitro 5. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge/message

Ever wondered how a passion for Pokémon cards could evolve into pioneering the world of NFT art? Join me as I sit with the illustrious Giga Chad Pepe, whose journey from tactile collector to digital trailblazer is nothing short of fascinating. We delve into the universe of digital collectibles where blockchain isn't just a buzzword—it's a bridge connecting artists and collectors across the globe. Giga Chad, with his nuanced appreciation for art and technology, reveals the empowering potential of Web3 and his selective approach to acquiring NFTs that resonate with meaningful messages and creator interactions. It's a transformative era for art collectors and creators alike, and this episode peels back the curtain on what the future holds for NFTs and digital art. You won't want to miss our spirited discussion about the potential for NFTs to thrive even under repressive regimes, offering a cloak of anonymity to emboldened creators. Moreover, I reflect on my own shift from physical to digital collecting, drawing parallels and pondering the maturation of the market. We discuss the necessary fusion of traditional and digital collecting worlds, and the growing diversity within the NFT community, with insights derived from my recent Parisian escapades.To cap off our conversation, Giga Chad shares the lighter side of life and art collecting. From chasing an endless summer across hemispheres to his love for dance, his tales add a personal touch that's as quirky as it is endearing. We also get an intimate look into the 'Norcal and Chill Podcast'—a show encapsulating the culture and laid-back vibes of Northern California. It's a mix of light-hearted banter and profound insights into the ever-evolving landscape of art and technology that defines this episode. So, tune in and join the cultural revolution that is reshaping how we value, collect, and interact with art today.https://twitter.com/Giga_Chad_Pepehttps://twitter.com/AOTMgalleryhttps://aotm.gallery/Support the show

So good to have Mike and Tom join the conversation and bust open third eyes! MK Ultra, controlled puppets of Hollywood, Sports and Music and not trusting anyone in politics who says they got your back! Two wings of the same shit bird! Keep that third eye open!To find Conspiracy & Chill Podcast---> https://open.spotify.com/show/6H9VYNf0rDWW9NUWvXyq74?si=a2c12af387d346e4To find the Meta Mysteries Podcast---> https://open.spotify.com/show/6IshwF6qc2iuqz3WTPz9Wv?si=3a32c8f730b34e7910% OFF Rife Machine---> https://rifemachine.myshopify.com/?rfsn=7689156.6a9b5c20% OFF CBD & THCA Products---> https://theblomshop.com (promo code: CULT)To reach out to us to be a guest! Email us at cultofconspiracypodcast@yahoo.com50% OFF Adam&Eve products---> :adameve.com (promo code : CULT)10% OFF Orgonite ! ---> https://oregon-ite.com/?sca_ref=5029405.hji3fNHxUdSign up for our Patreon go to-> Patreon.com/cultofconspiracypodcastTo Sign up for our Rokfin go to --> Rokfin.com/cultofconspiracyFor an A+ Travel Agent, contact Allyn at-- https://www.yourmagicaldestinations.com/allyn.htmlCult Of Conspiracy Linktree ---> https://linktr.ee/cultofconspiracyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/cult-of-conspiracy--5700337/support.

Dive into the world of tiny heroes and big adventures with The MCU'S Bleeding Edge YT Channel/Podcast this Wednesday, 12/6/23, at 9:35 PM EST/6:35 PM PAC. We're livestream reviewing the Phase 3 Marvel Studios hit, 'Ant-Man and The Wasp,' as we near the end of our epic journey through the Infinity Saga Movie Review Series. This week, Co-host Cyberneticshark takes the lead, moderating our exploration of this classic MCU film. Joining the panel is Co-host Jeff S ($TrueKnowledge), bringing his unique insights in a guest role. We're also thrilled to welcome Raymon from the Booze & Chill Podcast, a frequent collaborator, and Andres The Pop Culture Guy, our regular guest and Special Guest Co-host of our Monday show. Plus, making his debut with us is Sean, a fellow creator and Marvel/MCU enthusiast ready to dive deep into the quantum realm of discussion. At The MCU'S Bleeding Edge, we don't just present reviews; we craft experiences. We dissect every frame, debate every plot twist, and revel in the Marvel magic with an energy that's all our own. To our loyal fans, your support fuels this journey. If you're new to our channel and our style resonates with you, consider subscribing. We're here to earn that click, not just ask for it. Every new subscriber is a testament to the hard work and passion we pour into every show. Join us live for a night of unfiltered, passionate Marvel discourse. We're not just building a channel; we're building a community of fans who love Marvel as much as we do Intro Outro Music- " Way Up " by Captain Joz Cybers LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@cyberneticshark all his links can be found on YT!! Andres LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@PopCultureguy https://www.youtube.com/@DCMarvelPlusTalk Raymon's LINKS- https://www.youtube.com/@BoozeandChill https://www.tiktok.com/@boozeandchill All The MCU'S Bleeding Edge's LINKS https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090571329875 https://www.twitch.tv/themcusbleedingedge https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge https://rumble.com/c/c-1009757 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://www.tiktok.com/@UCREPsCRvzjH0ggYL_Larq1A https://twitter.com/mcusbleedingedg Co-host Cyberneticshark is using a Logitech BRIO along with Skullcandy headphones, a Audio- Technica AT2020 Condenser Studio Microphone, going through a 2021 Flagship Lenovo Legion 5 Gaming laptop. Co-host Jeff S(TrueKnowledge) is working with a Audio- Technica ATR2100 Condenser Studio Microphone, along with a pair of Audio- Technica Headphones, Logitech BRIO- C920-C922-Streamcam, going through a 2023 MacBook Pro along with using a ACER Nitro 5. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-mcus-bleeding-edge/message

In this episode of The Jack & Chill Podcast, Jack and Xochitl talk about their experiences with loss and the grief that goes along with those experiences. Transcript: 00:00:00XochitlYou are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast Jack. Today we have a little bit of a heavy topic brief Jack.00:00:20XochitlYour experiences with grief and how would you define it for our listeners?00:00:24발표자OK.00:00:25JackYeah. So grief is A is a a tough topic and for our listeners out there, grief is the emotion that you feel when.00:00:33JackSomeone that you you loved, a loved one passes away or or dies.00:00:39JackAnd for me, I I never really experienced it.00:00:47JackI I I didn't experience it for a long time because when I was born my 2 two of my grandparents were had already passed away or passed away when I was a baby. So you I just grew up never knowing my my grandfather on my father's side.00:01:07JackAnd I grew up not knowing my grandmother on my mother's side and my grandfather on my mother's side was alive. But we we weren't really in contact with him. He was an abusive alcohol.00:01:22JackAlec and so growing up, there was a lot of.00:01:29JackStress in my my mother's family because of my grandfather's drinking and and when he was when I was in middle or sorry, elementary school, maybe fifth grade during summer camp, my grandfather passed away in a nursing home and my parents.00:01:49JackAsk me, you know, do you want to go to the funeral?00:01:52JackWe'll come pick you.00:01:52JackUp or you can just stay at camp and.00:01:57JackI just stayed at camp and I I really felt nothing. I, I I remember meeting him one time in the nursing home and it was just scary, you know, because it was all all these.00:02:10JackElderly, sick people, very thin and.00:02:15JackI he I just. I didn't have any relationship with him at all. So I I really only had my my father's mother, my grandmother, and my father my father's side.00:02:28JackAnd she we called her Bubba. Uh and Bubba was the best. You know? She really.00:02:39JackFilled in for all the for the other three grandparents that didn't have I I wouldn't trade, you know, four grandparents for for one, Bubba and yeah, ever. Because she was amazing. And and she lived to be 92 years old.00:02:57JackAnd so she passed. Maybe in, like, 2009. I think if I'm not mistaken, somewhere around there. Uh, my daughter was just a baby at the time and.00:03:10JackAnd I I felt.00:03:11JackVery, very sad, obviously because it's it's hard when you lose someone that you.00:03:18JackOf but I also, on the other hand, she lived to be 92 years old, like she lived a very full life, a very long life. Yeah, I grew up in the Great Depression in America, in on a farm in South Dakota. So she was tough, you know.00:03:27XochitlRight.00:03:38JackTough as nails like there is no, she didn't. She wasn't a, you know, delicate person. You know, she grew up in the hard times in America and she.00:03:55JackMarried my my grandfather, who was a a mechanic in the military. He served in Panama building of the Panama Canal during World War 2. So, you know, it was there just just that famous, you know, kind of story.00:04:15Jack1950s, they had their children. They grew up in the 50s and 60s. My my father was in elementary school in the 50s and then high school and university in the 60s and early 70s.00:04:29JackAnd so that was my first experience with with grief. But in the last three about three years ago, my one of my very, very close friends, I probably I have a best friend from high school and a best friend from college.00:04:48JackAnd my best friend from college passed away, and that was.00:04:57JackYou know it's.00:05:00JackHe he was young, you know. I mean, not not. Maybe not not, you know, not not like in his 20s. He was in his his 40s but.00:05:10XochitlThat's young to pass. That's very young to pass.00:05:11JackYeah, that's that's very young to pass. And and that was that one.00:05:18JackYou know, stop me in my tracks. You know, it was. That was a very, very difficult one to process and I think I'm, you know, still processing it and and probably will always be processing it in some way because.00:05:36JackIt just leaves a a massive hole in your in your heart, in your life, where?00:05:45JackSomething will happen and you, you you want that person's advice or you want to tell that person and you and you remember that they're not here and and you can't. You can't tell them and you'll never laugh together. You'll, you know you you won't. You're not going to share a moment again.00:06:06JackAnd everything you had with that person is everything you will ever have with that person. And that's a very here's an English expression for our listeners, a hard pill to swallow. You know, it's hard to accept that reality that.00:06:23JackThis. That's it. You know, the time that you had is the time is the is the only time that you.00:06:29JackYou get with that person and.00:06:32JackIt just seems cruel, you know that an illness would.00:06:40JackUM.00:06:42JackAffect someone that young and and take them away from from from their family and from their friend?00:06:48JackAnd and and yeah, it just it just kind of.00:06:55JackI don't know what the word is like. I've it it it it it's it has like a dulling effect. Like it a a numbing effect. Yeah. It it leaves you kind of like.00:07:08JackIt it could be dangerous because it can make you cynical, right? Like it can make you kind of angry at the world or angry at God or or or just kind of like, what's the point of of all this? Because.00:07:24JackAnyone that we love can just be torn away from us at any moment.00:07:28JackOr but but that's the the that's the anger stage of grief. I think you know where you're just you get angry and you you don't. You shouldn't stay. You don't want to stay in that mindset. You know, of of anger.00:07:29XochitlRight.00:07:45JackYou want to move on to acceptance.00:07:49JackAnd appreciate and be happy and and blessed that you at least the time that you did have with that person be be lucky that you're able to have that time with that person, but it's hard to get to to that stage of grief. I think it it does take a lot of kind of its internal struggle within yourself.00:08:10JackIt takes.00:08:13JackA more mature kind of.00:08:17JackApproach to life and understanding that wow, you know, like life is very delicate and it's not as nothing is guaranteed. And so it'll make you hug that your loved ones that are still here a.00:08:32JackLittle bit harder.00:08:34JackAnd you know what I mean? Like, in, in that moment.00:08:37JackNow for example, I was in America recently and I got to see my daughter and even though she was embarrassed, I I I made sure to hug her and tell her I love her. When I said goodbye to her.00:08:52JackI I didn't care if if it embarrassed her friends or anything and she didn't care either because, you know, it's like that you you never, ever know. There are no guarantees in in life. And so those are that was my my take away from my experience with grief and.00:09:12JackHow? How? How about you? Like how? How have you been dealing with with your experiences with grief?00:09:20XochitlWell, for our listeners, I think there is an important concept about the stages of grief in the United States. We call them like the five stages of grief and their denial, which is like kind of denying that it happened, glossing over it. You really don't feel any of those feelings you're kind of.00:09:41XochitlIt's hard to process or even perceive that it really happened. Then there's anger, which is, of course, being angry about what happened or feeling like, you know, it was unfair. There's the bargaining stage, which is the stage where you're like, oh, it's only this had happened, maybe they wouldn't have passed. If only this had happened. If I had done this differently.00:10:00XochitlThey had done this differently. If the doctors had done this differently.00:10:03XochitlAnd this all wouldn't have happened. And then there's a depression stage, which is kind of where your feelings get the best of you. And you're starting, you're in the midst of processing them. I feel like and.00:10:15XochitlYou feel a.00:10:16XochitlGreat sadness. It's hard to get out of bed. It's hard to do your daily tasks and the last stage is acceptance, which is what Jack was talking about, where you accept.00:10:26XochitlWhat has happened and you can maybe take some valuable lessons or, you know, move forward with.00:10:33XochitlA better understanding of what occurred.00:10:36XochitlI think it's hard for me because.00:10:39XochitlYou can, uh. Contrary to popular belief, you can experience these in any order, and you can also experience the the cycle multiple times.00:10:48XochitlAnd for me, what I struggle with the most.00:10:52XochitlIs I.00:10:56XochitlAnd the kind of person that.00:10:59XochitlI don't think I process. I don't think I process my feelings because I see everyone else around me crying and stuff and I'm just standing there awkwardly and I do cry sometimes but it but not it's like I.00:11:17XochitlIt's not like an in the moment thing like how I see everyone else going through stages in the moment. It's kind of like.00:11:26XochitlI feel like a third person watching everything happen. You know what I mean? I don't know if this resonates at all.00:11:31JackYeah, there's a word for that. It's it's disassociation, right?00:11:35XochitlYeah, I kind of disassociate. It's like you're. It's like watching a a life movie. But it's your life. But you're watching it as if it weren't your life, as if it's a movie or you're seeing it in the third.00:11:48JackYeah, that that's a coping mechanism, I think.00:11:51XochitlYeah, it is a coping mechanism. Yeah. And that's definitely how I. It's like a faulty. It's known as a faulty coping mechanism, which is like an unhealthy coping mechanism. And the only one that I experience a lot because.00:12:04XochitlWell, in Mexican tradition, there's a lot that.00:12:09XochitlIs different. I think different from us tradition and it was.00:12:13XochitlThings that were really hard for me to experience because it's my grandmother passing was the first time that I was actually here for someone in my family passing and it's the Mexican side. So we did everything the Mexican way and that means like, as she was.00:12:27XochitlPassing away, we were we all had to be in.00:12:30XochitlThe room with her.00:12:33XochitlSo we were watching our part. We were in the hospital with her non-stop. Pretty much. My mom slept there every single night in the ICU and the rest of us were there pretty much every single day and night at different varying times.00:12:51XochitlWhen they took out life.00:12:52XochitlSupport with like watch her pass but it was very hard because.00:12:56XochitlDeath isn't like the movies, where they're like, unconnected someone from life support, and they just, like, quietly pass like they're falling asleep.00:12:57발표자OK.00:13:05XochitlIt's not really what happens. I don't really need to serve any of our viewers, but like they people kind of gasp for breath, for breath, for a long time when they're unhooked from life support. Probably in my experience they can have an immediate collapse that does happen. But what happened with my grandmother is that she kept.00:13:23XochitlGasping for air for a long time, but she wasn't like there. Mentally, like she couldn't speak. She didn't even know we were there. She didn't respond. Like if I.00:13:31XochitlLike waved my hand over her eyes to see she's like her eyes were clouded over, but it was like her body, her lungs still gasping for breath, and this went on for like.00:13:42XochitlI wanna say like 24 hours. Uhm, I wanna say and UM.00:13:50XochitlIt was really hard and then you have to stay with the body overnight in Mexican tradition, so you can't, like, go home and you have to sleep in the hospital.00:13:58XochitlWith the body or whatever.00:14:01XochitlUM, once a person has passed away, the body can't be alone the first night. So my aunt, my mom, my sister slept.00:14:10XochitlI went home because I was sick and I had already slept in the hospital. Like two nights I wanted to. Yeah, just like in, in a chair, because there wasn't any, like, beds or anything for us to sleep in. And I just couldn't take it anymore. I don't know how everyone else did it. I felt like sick, like, I could barely.00:14:30XochitlFunction at that point.00:14:31JackSure. And emotionally, you are just that, was it? You were.00:14:37XochitlYeah, I couldn't do anymore. I sell exhausted, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. And I I don't know how other people push through. It's like I just couldn't do it. It had been days. It really been over a month since my aunt. I had a good night's sleep because my grandmother had been sick all the time, and we had been watching her and my sister and my mother flew in and.00:14:57XochitlThey hadn't, really.00:14:58XochitlThey had been resting up until that.00:15:01XochitlPoint. So they really had.00:15:03XochitlTo take over some stuff for us, but.00:15:05XochitlThat was really hard part. And then the other.00:15:07XochitlHard part was.00:15:09XochitlUM.00:15:11XochitlOnce you know she passed and everything before the cremation like we had to see her body.00:15:16XochitlAnd that's still hard because people's bodies it changes once they pass, like their skin changes. It was like purple, and I won't go into details just, you know, scar our audience or anything. But it was very difficult and it was difficult for me because it's like my sister and my aunt. My mom were all.00:15:37XochitlCrying and I was just standing there like.00:15:40XochitlDisassociating I was humming a song that she really liked, that my grandmother really liked, that her favorite song I was like humming that, but I was checked out. I like was not there.00:15:49XochitlAt all and it's.00:15:50JackYeah, yeah.00:15:51XochitlWeird to see everyone like crying over the body and I was just like I was in outer space. I was not. I was not there and I was not crying.00:16:01XochitlAnd so I think it's weird how everyone processes grief differently, but I think you.00:16:05XochitlCan feel weird when.00:16:07XochitlEveryone else is kind of processing in a similar way, and you're like the odd one out.00:16:12JackYeah, that is. I mean, I I really get upset when people judge the way.00:16:19JackPeople grieve because I I think I'm same as you. It's almost. It's almost like an overload, you know? Like the like. When the computer freezes.00:16:32JackYou know, there's just. There's too much. And what happens is I just kind of have an out of body experience. Like, I just kind of float away and just say like, you know, no too much can't.00:16:48JackCan't deal with this and I'm going to I'm I'm going to go to another dimension for a little while and catch my breath.00:17:00JackAnd that can.00:17:02JackKind of cold to people from the outside, you know, looking in as you, you're just standing there, but you're not crying. And you, you're you're you just look normal, quote UN quote normal. But inside you're you're you're just dealing with so much.00:17:21JackAt one time that you just, you just kind of check out like you said and.00:17:27JackI I think.00:17:29JackAgain I I.00:17:30JackJust think that's like a a self preservation kind of a thing. It's like, yeah, exactly. A coping mechanism. It's it's just, it's just the way your your brain is wired. It's like too many stressors in in one moment.00:17:35XochitlCoping mechanism.00:17:49JackAnd you just kind of free.00:17:50JackThere's, you know, there's that that kind of fight flight or freeze. I don't know if if that applies here or not, but I think it it makes what you're describing makes perfect sense to me because I think I I process things the same way as you. But I think like when?00:18:12JackWhen those emotions settle down.00:18:15JackAnd you'll you'll have a moment where you will be able to process it in a more.00:18:23JackFor lack of a better word, traditional way.00:18:26XochitlRight. Typical way maybe.00:18:28JackYeah. And, you know, some people just don't like to cry in front of other people, you know? So when I, when I when finally the floodgates opened and I I wept, it was during my during the funeral, which was took place during COVID so.00:18:47JackThe uh.00:18:49JackSo. So the funeral was online, so I just remember just being alone in.00:18:57JackIn my office, in my house and this is like 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. And I was just weeping.00:19:06JackAnd but it had taken me days to to get to that that stage where it finally hit, you know, kind of like a.00:19:19JackLike an arrow. Just boom I. It was. I was finally ready to start processing. But maybe you know the days prior to that.00:19:32JackIt just seemed unreal. It's like, you know, the this is not. This is not really happening, you know it's it's it's the.00:19:40JackKind of that kind of thing. And and I I just, I I don't I don't I I if there's one take away from our talk today about grief is I just think there's you know 6 billion people on the planet or 7 billion people and there's probably 7 billion different ways to grieve.00:20:01JackAnd I, and we shouldn't rush to judgment when people don't follow the, quote, UN quote, traditional methods of of weeping. I I think movies have really like, like you said, when you're describing the process.00:20:18JackDeath in the movies, you know the the the person dying often just you know they've.00:20:27JackIt's so romanticized, you know, they kind of, you know, brush their hair back and then close their eyes and and that's it, you know.00:20:37JackAnd that that's not the the dying process. I I was listening to an interview with the lead singer of U2 talking about his father's passing. And he he said, you know, dying is is as messy as being born.00:20:59JackYou know, we we come into. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's it's not a it's it's he. That was what that was his take away from it because he had never experienced that but taking care of his father in his final days.00:20:59XochitlYeah, just accurate.00:21:11JackHe was very surprised at just how.00:21:16JackMessy and and ugly, the process can be.00:21:21JackAnd and it's so unlike.00:21:24JackYou know, in the movies where it's just so you know you're you're here and then you're gone. But it's actually a process. Death is a a slow process sometimes. You know, it can be immediate, but it can also be drawn out. And. And I don't think we I think we we it's it's too.00:21:45JackIt's too ugly a thing for us to to look at and and talk about.00:21:52JackI I think we.00:21:54JackWe we don't want, we don't want to accept that as the reality, but I think anyone working in a hospital or Hospice.00:22:03JackYou know people who are in the medical profession, they they understand this reality very well.00:22:14XochitlI agree with you and.00:22:17XochitlWear some tickles or lessons that you feel like you gained.00:22:23XochitlAfter you, kind of.00:22:26XochitlAfter things settled down from someone's passing.00:22:31JackYeah, I that's a good question. And I I wonder, you know if I.00:22:36JackI I don't know.00:22:37JackIf I have any wisdom for for people, I think, well, here's something that I think is is helpful for.00:22:45JackFor people, and I think that people should remember this when someone passes the.00:22:54JackI think the worst thing you can do.00:22:59JackTry to.00:23:02JackProvide some meaning to it for the persons.00:23:04XochitlThat's true. That's true.00:23:06JackWhich I which it.00:23:07JackIt it sounds.00:23:08JackCounterintuitive, you know, because you think that if you, if you could just say the one profound thing.00:23:14JackTo the person at the funeral.00:23:16JackThen they will feel better.00:23:20JackBut it's it has nothing to do with it's. It's all about the person grieving. It's nothing to do with you. The friend of that person. The only the only appropriate response, I think, is to just grieve together and just, just just wrap your arms around that person.00:23:41JackHug them and say I'm so sorry for your loss that that's it. There is nothing. There are no magic words that are going to take away the pain of of a lost one. So coming up and saying, you know, well, you know, he's with God now or she's with God now.00:23:59XochitlIt's all part of God's plan and stuff like that. Everything happens for a reason. That's one of the worst ones.00:24:01JackRight. It's part, yeah.00:24:04JackIt happened for a reason. Yeah. This because it doesn't. There's no reason for it. There's no. You know what I mean? It's not. There's no plan. There's no reason for it.00:24:16JackIt's just a tragedy. It's just sad. And why is that not enough?00:24:22JackYou know, I I think that should have to be enough for for us like.00:24:28JackIt's it's just sad. It sucks.00:24:32JackAnd we're going to just sit in this, but you're not going to sit in it alone. I will sit in it with you. That's the best thing that you can do for someone who is grieving.00:24:45JackDon't offer any advice. Don't. Yeah. Don't talk about the God's plan or anything like that. Just say this sucks and and I'm going to be here. You're not going to go through this alone.00:24:59JackAnd I think that if people understood that.00:25:04JackA little bit better it it would. It would avoid a lot of those awkward.00:25:09JackConversations you know at at where you know people are trying to provide some sort of reason or or.00:25:17JackYou know.00:25:19JackExcuse for why this happened, it's it's just it just sucks. It's just a terrible, terrible tragedy, tragic situation and that has to be enough. And and there is no like resolution. There's no, there's no third act to this sort of.00:25:39JackIn this sort of situation, it's just it's terrible and but I'm here for you any way you need me. That's why I think it's it's kind of beautiful when people kind of surround someone who has lost somebody and they cook a meal for them and deliver it.00:25:55JackYou know.00:25:56XochitlYeah, that's one thing that like for me and going through the screening process with like with my grandmother passing and being here for my mom and my aunts like more than saying something or whatever. I wish we I wish people there were more people who brought a meal.00:26:16XochitlOver offered to to bring a meal over, or offered to help. Uh, clean out some of my grandmother's belongings and, you know, offload some things.00:26:27XochitlAnd you know.00:26:29XochitlI just wish there were more people that tried to offer support in those ways because I think that's more.00:26:36JackYeah, the words words are are almost meaningless in those situations. I and I hate to say it because it's. I know that people saying them are they think they're they're doing something.00:26:48XochitlFor their well meaning.00:26:50JackThey're well meaning but.00:26:53JackI I would say.00:26:55JackYou know, I'm so sorry for your loss. Big hug. And how can I help you? What do you need? Because in those moments, the last thing you want to do is be cleaning your house or cooking meals and that sort of thing. And so those little gestures are actually much more meaningful than any words.00:27:16JackThat you can say at a, at a funeral or awake or anything like that.00:27:21XochitlYeah, because that's one of the big things we've been dealing with is like trying to cook.00:27:26XochitlAnd like wrap your heads around buying groceries and cooking. And even when we bought groceries, they like spoil because we were at the hospital all the time and.00:27:36XochitlIt's just so hard to do those basic things. I think like those are really good things you can do to support.00:27:45XochitlPeople, when their loved one has passed away for sure.00:27:49XochitlJack, how about? Ohh sorry, didn't you? I was just going to say. How about lessons you took?00:27:51JackAlright, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no.00:27:57XochitlFrom the people in your life that have passed on, you know sonned ways that you remember them and things you learned from them.00:28:05JackYeah. Yeah, so.00:28:07JackI I think that.00:28:11JackJust thinking about my grandmother and her.00:28:15JackHer, her strength and her resolve, you know, just and also her.00:28:22JackAbility like her capacity to love was it's seemed limitless and she she she really was.00:28:31JackA. A kind.00:28:34JackPerson you know and and yeah, we we use that word kind. I think it's overly used you know. But she was, you know she was truly a kind person.00:28:45JackUM and.00:28:48JackI I I really do.00:28:53JackI I really am so lucky that I had such a loving grandparent. I mean the this is a pretty big she was the, I mean she, she.00:29:03JackShe was filling the the place of four grandparents with just the 11 grandparent. But you know, she was like a second mother, you know? It was just like we're going to Bubba's.00:29:14JackWas and she, you know, it was such such a traditional kind of grandmother, you know, she had chocolate chip cookies all the time. She baked pies. She, you know, she was an amazing cook. We would play board games at her house and.00:29:30JackIt was just. It was.00:29:32JackJust so much fun. She was such a fun grandma.00:29:34JackAnd UM. Uh. Very uh.00:29:40JackVery, very loving and and and. And my friends. I mean, I could go on for days and days, but you know we he it's it's interesting like he he's a friend we we never had a.00:29:59JackLike a cross.00:30:00JackMoment or anything. Do you know what I mean? Like.00:30:04JackYeah, it was. It was just.00:30:07XochitlYou just clicked.00:30:07JackYeah. We just clicked. We just clicked our our personalities, our sense of humor just aligned perfectly. He was very much like a like an older brother for me because he was a few years older than me. And and I I I wanted to be like him. He was.00:30:27JackAnd he was cool. And and I looked up to him and and he was a a confidante, you know, a person that I could tell.00:30:39JackAnything too. And I knew that he would, you know, keep it. You know he wouldn't, you know, gossip or anything like that. And it was just just a very trust, trusting person and and loved life well traveled.00:31:00JackEverybody got along with everybody. Yeah. I mean, he there's just no one that he couldn't get along with. Yeah, it it's just a. It's a huge, immense loss and.00:31:14JackI I I I I I'm so happy to have have known him. What about you? What? What what? What did you would you could you say you've taken away from your your grandparents?00:31:28XochitlI think one thing I learned, not directly to them, but after their passing was.00:31:37XochitlAs much time there's not, there's never too much time spent with your loved ones because one day they might just not be there. And maybe sometimes we put it off for later, like Oh well, I'm, you know, I'm busy. I have this to do. So I I can't, you know, come see you or whatever and then.00:31:57XochitlYou know, one day you don't even have that that option and.00:32:02XochitlIt just makes you value the time that you have with with your loved ones. The times that you have with the people that you cherish that much more because you.00:32:09XochitlRealize it's not forever.00:32:12JackYeah, yeah.00:32:14XochitlUM, yeah. And the big thing I learned from my grandmother indirectly. You know, she was always telling us go live your life and enjoy your experiences. Enjoy your youth as much as you can because your loved ones kind of kind of thought process. But a lot of times she she held herself back from doing things because.00:32:36XochitlThere was only something more important than her, you know, traveling or her going to do something she really wanted to do and.00:32:48XochitlIt made me realize, like the moment is kind of now your life is is right here in this moment and you never know.00:32:56XochitlIf tomorrow.00:32:59XochitlIs going to come and so you have to, you know, don't.00:33:04XochitlMake your plans for later all the time. I mean, obviously there are some things that are long term goals, but as don't leave.00:33:14XochitlEnjoyment for later every time. Don't leave.00:33:19XochitlYou know your life for later every time because it will go by in a blur it and there will be so many moments that you missed out on because you were just waiting.00:33:31JackI I think that's a great great advice, I mean.00:33:31XochitlYou enjoy.00:33:35JackI think there's something about that generation that is.00:33:39JackYou know.00:33:42JackThere's our your generation and and my generation are are different. I think. I think we're starting to realize that, you know, and taking those lessons and and I think that the the older generation like the the baby boomer generation and and older.00:33:59XochitlSilent generation, yeah.00:34:00JackYeah, they're they're kind of like.00:34:03JackMy my joy. What are you talking about? What does my happiness have to do with anything? You know, like my, my happiness is irrelevant. And and that's kind of sad. You know that. That's the the kind of.00:34:22JackThinking that they, you know, they're they were always worried about their children, you know, like the the children's happiness. And I think I think the younger generations now are starting to go, you know what? Maybe the.00:34:37JackThat way, overused expression, carpe diem, you know, sees the day is.00:34:43JackIs actually. There's some truth in that that you, you your happiness is not irrelevant. It's OK to.00:34:53JackHave experiences chase your dreams, live your life to the fullest and and not have any regrets when you, when you pass and these kinds of sudden losses.00:35:12JackRemind us of that. I think that's what you're you're getting at. It's like, ohh yeah. I need to if I if I'm going to honor my grandmother's life or honor my friend's life, then I need to live my life to the fullest. And I think that's part of the acceptance stage as well.00:35:33JackIn the grief process is like you, you're turning, you're going to turn something terrible.00:35:40JackAnd try to.00:35:43JackInstead of being depressed, instead of trying to negotiate a different outcome.00:35:48XochitlFeeling negatively, yeah.00:35:50JackExactly. You're gonna. You're going to live.00:35:53JackEven a little more.00:35:56JackPassionately love a little bit more intense.00:36:00JackMostly work a little more. I don't know. You know. Just. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are the and and and and I I I don't. I hate to say that that's like turning a negative into a positive because it's not that's not what.00:36:07XochitlBuild your goals and your dreams.00:36:20JackWhat you're doing, but what you're doing is you're honoring that person's life by not like.00:36:27JackDealing with, you know, getting drunk every night to try to forget about it is not honoring that person's life. And so, and that's how some people cope with depression and anger and denial and all those things and the acceptance stages that no, you're you're living healthfully, you're still.00:36:30XochitlRight, you mean?00:36:35JackRight.00:36:47JackYou still grieve that person's the loss of that person, but.00:36:53JackYou're also living your life.00:36:56JackAs fully as you possibly can to honor that person because they no longer are able to. And so, and I think that's the that's the most beautiful thing you can do in the wake of a tragedy like that.00:37:14XochitlYeah, because for me, it's like we're cleaning out my grandmother's things, and there's so many things that they're gifts that my aunt gave her that my mother gave her that were still wrapped in the packaging because they were, like, saving them for a special occasion and and middle.00:37:34XochitlOccasion was special enough.00:37:36XochitlKind of thing, because that's like the thinking that's the mindset behind it is like it's like it's never the right moment. And I think the older generations were very much about save now, enjoy later. And I think our US younger generations are starting with enjoy now and save later.00:37:56XochitlThere, there must be a balance somewhere in there, but I don't think they found it.00:37:58JackThere's probably some like happy middle ground.00:38:02JackBut you know all what do all those things mean in the in the end, you know, it's like, you know, maybe your grandmother should have just opened those presents and let the grandchildren play with them, you know, or you know what I mean? Like, like, really experience them and touch them and look at them and.00:38:23XochitlEnjoyed them? Just enjoy her own life because I feel like she never thought about her own happiness. She didn't really. I'm sure she had joyful moments she did. I know that as much, but it's like I feel like so many joyful moments that she could have had she just put them to one side because her children were more important.00:38:43XochitlThe grandchildren were more important. Whatever was going on was more important in the moment than taking that trip, enjoying something for herself, being selfish for once. And I think it's just it's so important to just.00:39:00XochitlHave those special moments for yourself sometimes.00:39:04JackI I totally agree with you and you know, I mean, what is she? What? What is she guilty of? She's guilty of being a very selfless person, you know, and exactly, exactly. And. And that's something that you can appreciate about her and just say, wow, what a what a a beautiful, selfless person she was.00:39:13XochitlI know which is the beautiful thing for sure.00:39:24JackAnd and you know, maybe she did derive great happiness.00:39:28JackOn on seeing her family thrive, you know, and and do well. And and I get that as a parent, I think I I would I would get a lot of I get a lot of happiness in seeing my daughter succeed and and and sometimes that's enough to but.00:39:48JackLike you said, I think.00:39:52JackMaybe you know, uh, taking that trip or doing that thing that you really, really want to do.00:40:00JackIs doesn't make you a selfish person either you know.00:40:04XochitlYeah, it's the situation where it's like.00:40:10XochitlIt's your children and grandchildren will be so much that much happier to see you also do things for yourself.00:40:19JackThere you go. That's right. That's right. And that's the one that's maybe where they can't quite get to in their minds. It's like they're, you know, they're going to think that I'm being selfish. And it's like, no, no, no, we we want you to be happy too.00:40:20발표자Sorry things for you.00:40:36JackAnd so yeah, I think that.00:40:40JackThose are some good, good takeaways. Actually. I'm. I'm glad we had this conversation because it actually helped me process some of my own.00:40:48JackKind of thinking and ideas around grief.00:40:53JackYeah, it's. It's too bad you know that we that that you experienced that so recently and.00:41:01JackYeah, I'm just. I'm really sorry for your loss.00:41:04JackUM.00:41:05XochitlI appreciate it.00:41:06JackBut, but I'm glad we had this conversation was really, really helpful.00:41:10XochitlYeah, me too. Alright, listener as well. If you have ever had a loved one pass away, you're going to grief yourself. You know what it's like. Or if you you're lucky and you don't know what that's like yet and you know, let us know. And our WhatsApp group leave a comment down below at AZ englishpodcast.com or shoot us an e-mail at AZ.00:41:31XochitlPodcast@gmail.com we would love to hear about how grief is in your culture, what grief is like in your country, what the funeral process is like. 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In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack talk about medical emergencies.Transcript:00:00:03XochitlJack, you kind of had a scary experience, not kind of. You definitely had a scary experience this week. Do you want?00:00:10XochitlTo tell our viewers about it.00:00:12JackYeah, I would, I.00:00:13JackWould love to to share this. Some of our listeners out there who are students in our world English.00:00:22JackGoogle meets class.00:00:24JackI know that I've I have been absent lately. The last week or so, and about a week ago, my father had a a major heart attack which was terrifying, you know, for our family and when the.00:00:45JackThe doctors did tests and everything they found that basically.00:00:50JackAll the arteries and artery is like it's like a tube that carries blood.00:00:55XochitlAgain, laser vein, right a major vein.00:00:57JackRight. Because your heart pumps.00:00:59JackBlood to the rest of your.00:01:01JackBody and it and blood feeds into the heart and then it pumps out and.00:01:09JackHis his arteries were all blocked like they were up. Some of them were 99% blocked, which is, I mean, you're he. He was not getting enough blood. Umm.00:01:23JackAnd uh. And so he ended up having.00:01:26JackA heart attack.00:01:27JackAnd you know, it's the life when when you lived the life that social and I have lived like, where you work overseas.00:01:40JackYou're so far away from home and it's very difficult to receive news that your your family member is is really sick or having a very serious medical emergency.00:01:54JackAnd so it was really. Here's an English expression, touch and go and touch and go means it was very delicate. Like he was very close.00:02:07JackTo to death.00:02:09JackAnd luckily my my brother and his his wife were visiting my parents and they both work in the medical profession.00:02:20JackMotion and my brother noticed the symptoms in my father and and and brought him into the hospital, and my dad has not left the hospital since that time and he actually went and had a a, a quadruple bypass and quadruples.00:02:41JackIt just means 4 quad means 4.00:02:44JackUM triple bypass means 3 double bypass means two and bypass means one and so he had a A4 bypasses quadruple bypass surgery where they connect arteries. They basically go around.00:03:04JackThe bad part of the artery? The the tube that carries blood into the heart and out of the heart. And they, you know, created new tubes that were clear.00:03:17JackAnd clean and they take those tubes from other parts of your body, like from your leg. Or maybe your arm. I'm not sure. And and they harvest them. They they put them, they sew them into.00:03:37JackInto the heart and he he had that surgery and I just talked to him before the podcast maybe 10 minutes ago.00:03:46JackNo, and he's out of surgery and he's doing really, really well. And so it was one of those, like, just terrifying moments where.00:03:58JackYou know, you you.00:04:01JackYou do that kind of like thinking in your head like is.00:04:05JackIs that the last time I'm gonna?00:04:08JackTalk to my dad, you know, like, is this is this it like and and and you know, before he went into surgery.00:04:16JackAnd so for those 24 hours while he was, you know, in surgery and and coming out of the surgery.00:04:23JackIt was, you know, I was trying to distract myself by listening to podcasts or, you know, talking with my wife and stuff like that. But luckily, everything went really, really well. And so it looks like he's going to make a full recovery.00:04:43JackAnd you know, and for any of our our listeners out there or anyone and I know that you recently experienced a loss in your family. I've experienced a a pretty significant loss a couple of years ago and it's it's just really scary and painful.00:05:04JackUM, all the uh. Here's another expression.00:05:08JackIn English, the woulda coulda should uh.00:05:11JackMoments. You know, I would have said something I could have said something. And so my big take away, the lesson I learned from this is, you know, hug your loved ones a little bit harder today, you know, because you we just don't know the future.00:05:32JackWe we do do not know the.00:05:34JackFuture and and and all the little petty grievances that we have with with our our relatives or our friends are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, you know we.00:05:55JackYou know, we we hold on to.00:05:56JackThose those things that we.00:05:58JackWe shouldn't be holding on to and you have to let those go and just just squeeze your loved ones tightly and tell them that you love them because you just never know when when you're, when they're going to be gone and and sometimes it.00:06:19JackIt takes a wake up call like almost losing a a parent or a friend or a sibling.00:06:27JackBefore you you realize that, and once they're gone, it's it's too late, you know, to to do that. And so I feel like I got a second chance to really, you know, just say to my father, dad, I love you. You're you're amazing and.00:06:46JackAnd I feel so lucky and so blessed that I got that opportunity because it could have really gone the other way very easily.00:06:55JackAnd uh, you know, those are the the important things in life is family and and and friends and and loved ones that that's what really matters. So yeah that was the the harrowing experience that that we've been dealing with in my family here for.00:07:14JackThe last week or so.00:07:17XochitlThat's terrible, Jack. I'm really sorry you've been dealing.00:07:20XochitlWith all of that.00:07:21JackWell, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I I, I I know we're we don't need to to, you know, keep talking about this but it kind of brought you you mentioned the topic of like family emergencies and things like that and.00:07:40JackWhat about you?00:07:40JackHave you experienced any like family emergencies that you don't mind sharing with our our podcast listeners?00:07:48XochitlYeah, for sure. I mean, I guess the first one would be when my grandfather passed away, I guess that was in October now.00:07:58XochitlOr the IT was either the end of September or the beginning of October. It's fuzzy in my mind at this point, but.00:08:07XochitlIt feels like.00:08:08XochitlSo long and go.00:08:09XochitlNow, because how of how the brain like process is lost?00:08:15XochitlIt just feels both so recent and so far at the same time, and and that was.00:08:21JackRight, right.00:08:23XochitlJust a big thing because I didn't. I couldn't even fly back to see him in time, really.00:08:33XochitlThat was a big deal. And then recently my grandmother this week as well on Monday.00:08:41XochitlWasn't able to get out.00:08:42XochitlOf bed she wasn't able to stand.00:08:44XochitlUp on her legs.00:08:46XochitlAnd we did call. I eventually convinced them to call the ambulance, which had to come and strap him to a chair because of the driveways, like on a slope. And it's very icy because of the Iowa weather.00:09:00XochitlAnd when they got her into the ambulance, they took her to the hospital and they did some imaging and some tests I found out she has pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia in her lungs. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs. For those of you who don't know.00:09:14XochitlAnd so.00:09:17XochitlThat was kind of a big deal, but thankfully she's OK and they did tell us that at the hospital, you know, she was good to come home that night around 1:00 or 2:00 AM.00:09:30XochitlThey gave her an antibiotic and she's doing OK.00:09:34XochitlUM, but it certainly was scary in the moment. She was very confused. I didn't understand. It was why I wanted.00:09:41XochitlTo call the.00:09:41XochitlAmbulance, she's she.00:09:43XochitlHad a lot of like confusion and she seemed like lost.00:09:48XochitlAnd I thought it was weird. And when they came, they thought, you know, it might be pneumonia or some kind of infection. I didn't understand what the confusion was about, but once it got to her to the hospital, they had to put her on.00:09:59XochitlOxygen, because her oxygen was very low.00:10:02XochitlAnd of course that makes sense as to.00:10:04XochitlHow it affected her?00:10:06XochitlHer brain. Right. She wasn't getting that oxygen supply that she needed, which is why she was pretty confused.00:10:14JackExactly. Yep.00:10:16XochitlYeah, it it it. It was a scary experience and like Jack said, it makes you think, OK, you should enjoy.00:10:24XochitlAppreciate and value the time you have with people because you never know when the last conversation will be, when your last day together is going to be.00:10:32XochitlWhen your last memory together is going to be and I don't think you'll ever regret.00:10:37XochitlSpending that time together at the end.00:10:39발표자Of it.00:10:44XochitlYeah. And another big deal for me, I think is.00:10:50XochitlIt's important to.00:10:52XochitlSee the issues are family are dealing with in their older age as a full warning.00:10:59XochitlYou it's not just about.00:11:01XochitlHow long your life is, but it's about the quality of life that you experience, and at the end of your years, like into your 70s, eighties, 90s. If you make it that far, you want to live as comfortably as you can.00:11:17XochitlAnd and that definitely means taking care of your body now. So like your diet, maybe your your health in general keeping on top of any pre-existing conditions or any genetic conditions. You know that your family had, you know, keep screening for those things always prioritize your health get enough sleep.00:11:38XochitlEat healthy, sleep enough, drink enough water, do regular exercise and keep your body in good condition. Don't wear it out, you know.00:11:47XochitlBecause it.00:11:48XochitlIt works very hard every day and it's going to have to last you.00:11:53XochitlProbably 80 years at this point, you know, because of life expectancy altogether when a new baby is born is probably going to live into its 70s or 80s, so.00:12:03XochitlYeah, it's important to take care of your body.00:12:06JackYeah, we have a. This is another little idiom. Uh, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.00:12:20JackAnd what that means is just a little bit of a little bit of prevention early on like taking care of like what you said, your health, watching your diet, getting some exercise, getting good sleep. Sleep is really, really important.00:12:40JackUh, I think it's the one that most people ignore.00:12:46JackYou know and and if you do those things when you're young and you develop those good habits, then as you get older, your quality of life will remain much higher because.00:13:00JackI don't how many you know, do you?00:13:02JackDo people want to live to be 90?00:13:05JackBut the last 30 years of their lives, they're basically stuck in a chair.00:13:11JackYou know unable to move.00:13:15JackI do you do you have any? Like, I have some health issues and I don't mind sharing with the with the, with the listeners out there. A couple of my major health issues. One of them is that I have a genetic.00:13:35JackHigh genetically high cholesterol? It's not. It's not really anything that I can control with diet. My cholesterol is just always off the charts. And so I started visiting a cardiologist a couple years ago and a car. A cardiologist is a.00:13:54JackIs a heart doctor, a heart specialist and he put me on some medicine. They're called statins, and a statin is a medicine that lowers your cholesterol.00:14:06JackAnd that was something I I'm really glad I did that because I tried to manage it through my weight and I tried to manage it through my exercise and through my diet, and I was just never able to get my cholesterol under control. And as you can see, because my father just.00:14:26JackHad a heart attack.00:14:28JackIs that?00:14:29JackIn my family, we we genetically we're we have a a predisposition which means a high likelihood of of having some kind of heart problems later in life. And I thought if I can just get this under control now in my 40s.00:14:50JackMaybe I can avoid the same problems that my father just experienced and my grandfather experienced and my uncle and my cousin experienced. I mean, I it's all over my family. I it's it's lots of heart problems on my family, not so much cancer.00:15:10JackBut it feels like it's either one or the other in a family, right? It's like.00:15:16JackHearts are hearts great, but cancer, you know, is is common or not so much cancer, but a lot of heart problems. It seems like you can never avoid one of them one or the other.00:15:20발표자Right.00:15:32JackUM and the other thing that really is, is, uh, too late for me in some ways is that I have really serious back issues. So I've had two back surgeries already.00:15:47JackAnd I've it's it's something that really makes it difficult for me to exercise because I was an athlete in in high school and college. I played college basketball. I was in very good shape. You know, as an athlete.00:16:06JackAnd one of the things that is kind of common for athletes is once they stop playing competitively, they tend to.00:16:16JackGain weight and not remain healthy because there's no reason to exercise because you're not playing anymore games and so one of the the things that happened to me is I just got really, you know, kind of lazy and ate what I wanted to eat. But I wasn't exercising.00:16:37JackLike I like I was when I was in college and.00:16:42JackAnd so for me it's it's a little difficult because I can't run anymore my my spine is just too is too weak. I can't. I can't do long distance running, so I've been doing cycling lately and.00:17:01JackAnd and it's just it's it's a a kind of nagging issue and and I and I it's it's uh, it's something I wish I I wish I had.00:17:11JackTaken care of my back.00:17:14JackUMA lot better. When I was younger because now I'm kind of paying the price for not taking care of it 20 years ago.00:17:26JackUhm and uh and.00:17:28JackSo maybe that's.00:17:29JackI can give you kind of uh, uh. I could be kind of a a cautionary tale to people who are younger, like your age that take care of your back. Take care of your knees. You know, those are really important if you want to stay healthy because.00:17:46JackAnd in order to exercise you need you need to have.00:17:50JackA. A healthy spine and you need to have healthy knees and I've I've unfortunately had knee surgery, several back surgeries. I'm I'm just a kind of broken down machine.00:18:10JackIt's. Uh, yeah. So I I agree with you 100% what you're talking about is the prevention is is the cure many times.00:18:21발표자Right.00:18:26XochitlYeah, I I have.00:18:28XochitlSome long term health issues as well that I'm trying to to get taken care of here in my 20s so that through my 30s and 40s I can make sure my body.00:18:39XochitlIs strong enough that it won't keep deteriorating, I guess.00:18:43JackRight.00:18:44JackRight.00:18:46JackYeah. So I thought that we could transition to something that that is I, I guess the topic today is medical emergencies and we've we've talked about that a little.00:18:58JackBut and we there's a there was a question from one of our our students in, in our WhatsApp group and they were just kind of wondering like what is the the process for like when like when when people go to the hospital?00:19:19JackIn America.00:19:22JackAnd what is the uh like? They're asking. UM, what? What is the culture like when visiting a relative in the hospital? And I think it's kind of interesting because I I learned a few things about that in Korea.00:19:38JackAnd that it it's different than in America. And I'm I'm wondering if if you have the same experience or?00:19:48JackWhat the experience might be like in Mexico as well, because I know that you also have lived there for long periods of time. And so in Korea.00:19:59JackIf your family member has a surgery.00:20:03JackThe family is expected to do a lot of the.00:20:07JackKind of caretaking duties know. Obviously, the family is not giving, administering any shots or, you know, drugs or anything like that. They're not doing medical procedures, but if you know, if your family members in the hospital, there's always another family member in the room.00:20:28JackTo you know, give you a pillow.00:20:32JackHelp you eat, make you comfortable and nurses are much more kind of distanced.00:20:44JackFrom the patient, they're not. They're not really like sitting there, talking to you and taking care of you. They're they're much more interested in the kind of technical things like giving shots and checking your vital signs and things like that.00:21:02JackAnd that's kind of different than the American system. The American system is the nurses do a lot more.00:21:09JackI've found I've found, like their nurses are, you know they'll they'll, uh, bring your food. They'll help you eat it. They'll take the tray away. They will.00:21:23JackThey'll, you know, give you another pillow if you need a pillow, they'll ask you if you're comfortable. They'll they'll bring you a blanket if you're cold. Or take your blanket off if you're too hot. Those kinds of things. And that was a really kind of shocking difference. I noticed. And the reason I noticed that is because, like I said, I have had several.00:21:43JackBack surgeries and both of them were in Korea and the first time that I had back surgery in Korea.00:21:51JackI was I I I was here alone. You know, I wasn't married. And so I was just all alone in this room. And the nurse would come in really quickly, check my IV bag or whatever. And then she would leave. And.00:22:08JackBut my food was just sitting on another table.00:22:13JackKind of far away from my bed and.00:22:18JackNo one was there to.00:22:20JackI couldn't reach it.00:22:22JackLike it was just they just set it down on the table and walked out.00:22:27JackAnd I'm like.00:22:27XochitlRight. Reach for you.00:22:28JackHow? How am I supposed to? How am I?00:22:30JackSupposed to eat that? I can't even I can't move.00:22:33JackAnd I ended up having to grab this like pole.00:22:38JackAnd I had to reach the pole and hook the table and pull the table towards my my bed so that I could reach the the food and it was just really it was. It was really strange because it was.00:22:58JackThey basically expected me to have someone there to take care of me.00:23:03JackBut I didn't have anyone in the country.00:23:06JackTo take care of me.00:23:07JackSo I was kind of left, you know, without missing this this really important piece of of of, of the, of the of the process of, of recovering. And I don't know how. What would you like would you say in America nurses are?00:23:27JackMore hands on in in that regard.00:23:31XochitlYeah, I feel like the nurses are kind of the backbone of the medical industry in America, they.00:23:40XochitlDo a lot of the heavy lifting, like a lot of times, you'll see the doctor for like 5 minutes or 10 minutes, maybe. Probably less, more, more like 5 minutes and the nurse will do everything. They'll take your blood work, they'll swab you.00:23:45JackRight.00:23:56XochitlThey will ask you, do you know questions or fill fill out your history. They get your background and your story. If you're bedridden like you're old, or you just had a surgery, they'll like change out your bedpan or they'll walk you to the bathroom. They'll get your food for you. Like Jack said, they'll administer your medications.00:24:15XochitlFor you, uh, even if it's just.00:24:18XochitlA pill? They'll bring it to you.00:24:19XochitlWith water or.00:24:20XochitlWhatever they'll like. Refill your Sprite. I've been hospitalized a few different times, both in the.00:24:25XochitlUS and in Mexico.00:24:27XochitlJust this year I was probably hospitalized like 4.00:24:29XochitlOr five times.00:24:30XochitlMaybe. Yeah. And they.00:24:37XochitlHere in the US, like they'll they'll like order.00:24:39XochitlFood for you. Bring it to you. Give.00:24:41XochitlYou a Sprite, put.00:24:43XochitlLike SpongeBob on for you on the TV, it feels like being a.00:24:45XochitlLittle kid again. Kind of.00:24:46JackYeah, yeah, yeah.00:24:48XochitlAnd it's kind of nice because all.00:24:51XochitlYou have to do is focus.00:24:52XochitlAbout getting better, you don't really have.00:24:53XochitlTo worry about anything.00:24:56XochitlAnd as Jack and I have talked about before in the US.00:25:00XochitlLike, if you're like the process of it is basically like if you're sick with a cold or something, you would go to a clinic. But if your symptoms are more severe, you would go to urgent care.00:25:13XochitlAnd if your symptoms are like more severe than that, like either life threatening or you can't really take care of yourself, or it could lead to serious complications and you need like emergency testing or imaging or whatever, then you would go to the.00:25:28XochitlER or like?00:25:29XochitlEmergency room and then you may be hospitalized for a couple of days, depending what your situation is.00:25:35XochitlAnd what they see your condition as and like Jack and I have talked about before, it's kind of like a more of a luxury experience. You kind of get your own room.00:25:46JackRight.00:25:50XochitlYou can like order food off a menu now. Just last time I was.00:25:52JackOhh really?00:25:55XochitlYeah, there's an.00:25:55JackOK.00:25:57XochitlI was hospitalized for a couple days. Uh, when was it, Jack? In December. Right. Because I remember. I was new podcast. I talk about for like two or three days in December and they give you like a menu and you tell the nurse what you want and they order for you and they bring it to you and they give you, like, a drink. Like, you can ask for Sprite or apple juice.00:26:18XochitlOr whatever you want.00:26:21XochitlUM and I was just kind of sitting in there. She she asked me if I wanted to turn on the TV. She put SpongeBob on.00:26:32XochitlAnd I was just watching SpongeBob in there with like a Sprite and my dinner. And it was just kind of funny because it was basically like being a kid. And you're kind of being waited on hand and foot.00:26:46XochitlBy the nurse.00:26:48XochitlDoctors and the team, the.00:26:50XochitlCare team are coming in and out and like.00:26:52XochitlAsking questions and maybe they're like phlebotomist or whoever is taking your blood. That's the person.00:26:56XochitlThat like, puts a needle in your arm into your vein and takes your blood out so phlebotomist and then, as like a specialist, might come in and get an EKG on you, which is like a they put little stickers on you where they, like, read.00:27:09XochitlYour heart and your.00:27:11XochitlUM, basically your heart rate, and make sure there's no like heart murmurs or like issues with your heart.00:27:18XochitlAnd yeah, and so nurses do everything. And in Mexico, I would say that's also different, Jack.00:27:25XochitlThe When I went to the public hospital, it's completely free. I had to go twice.00:27:31Xochitl100% free like in the US, it was free for me, but only because I have Medicaid, which is National Health insurance. But if.00:27:39XochitlI were if.00:27:40XochitlI didn't have Medicaid.00:27:41XochitlIt would have been thousands and thousands of dollars.00:27:44XochitlLike probably 10s.00:27:45XochitlOf thousands of dollars to have been there like a couple of nights.00:27:50XochitlIn Mexico, I have no health insurance, but.00:27:55XochitlIt's absolutely free.00:27:57XochitlUM, but it's.00:27:58XochitlReally short staffed.00:28:01XochitlThey have a ton of students in there because there's not like enough doctors or anything, so there's like students trying to take your blood and doing a really terrible job. There's like one nurse running around trying to take care of everyone. There's no rooms. You're all just sitting out in a.00:28:15XochitlHallway and these beds?00:28:17JackRight.00:28:20XochitlYou're not super allowed to have visitors like they're your visitors or people who could visit you.00:28:25XochitlHave to sit in the waiting room, which are just these steel chairs, but they if they like, if the short staff and it's like night time and stuff, they'll let like one person through like the lady who was in front of me, like on her little hospital bed. She was using a bed pan, so they let her mom through so she could.00:28:46XochitlHelp with certain stuff so.00:28:47XochitlShe was like the one emptying out her bedpan, or.00:28:49XochitlLike doing certain things. So I would agree like the.00:28:52XochitlFamily is much more.00:28:53XochitlInvolved and.00:28:54XochitlThe hospital staff was very irritated with me because.00:28:57XochitlI didn't have.00:28:57XochitlAnyone there with me to do certain things like?00:29:02XochitlUM, get like a CD.00:29:04XochitlFor medical imaging or like.00:29:10XochitlGo to the like.00:29:12XochitlWithdraw blood. I didn't like. Go to the lab because it was a weekend and they're they're their lab inside the hospital isn't open on the weekend, so.00:29:19XochitlThey needed like.00:29:20XochitlSomeone to be there and they also don't want to release you from the hospital unless you have someone.00:29:25XochitlThere to pick you up.00:29:26JackRight.00:29:27XochitlAnd and I think all these things come from like collectivist culture, where there's strong family ties, right. So it's like your family, you live close to your family, probably. And your family will be there for you and you'll be there for your family. But in the US, a lot of people will leave for college, move away for work. It's a huge country.00:29:47XochitlA lot of people's families.00:29:48XochitlCan't drive 10 hours or fly five hours or.00:29:51XochitlWhatever out to.00:29:51XochitlWhere they are, and so we're very lucky. Like in your brother's case.00:29:53JackRight.00:29:56XochitlLike you said, he was visiting.00:29:57JackRight.00:29:59XochitlBecause it's such a huge country and people live kind of in Siller, like, isolated from their families, a lot of the times and they live, they move far away from their families.00:30:09XochitlFor the reasons I mentioned, the hospital doesn't really expect.00:30:15XochitlYour family to do any of that. In fact, they would probably be irritated if your family was in there trying.00:30:21XochitlTo take on.00:30:21XochitlAny of these tasks?00:30:24XochitlBecause they see it as like a medical professional's job and not the job of your family, right?00:30:33JackWell, I think families get in the way sometimes, too many questions. There's too many, too many people in the room. You know, it's kind of like, get out, get out of the.00:30:36XochitlYeah, they do.00:30:41JackWay, let us do our job.00:30:44XochitlRight. Yeah, it's pretty bad. What about the culture of visiting someone in the hospital, Jack, what would?00:30:50XochitlYou say that's like.00:30:52JackYeah. So that one's a little different. Like what we're describing is kind of the long term care part of the hospital. But if you just receive a visitor, there are in America, there are visiting hours. And so, you know, people can come in and it's usually during a time when.00:31:13JackThe nurses are not performing some kind of.00:31:18JackSome kind of job, you know, if they're, if they have to take blood or they have to do it, run a test or something, then they don't want any visitors in there. Visiting hours are only during the daytime. Now if you're a family member, they'll give you an exemption so they'll they'll bring it a a kind of sleeping chair if.00:31:37JackBut you know for like for example, my mother wanted if she wanted to stay with my father overnight there, she could have slept there.00:31:47JackThey she only lives 5 minutes away, so they just decided to go home and and sleep and then come back to the hospital. But but when it comes to just like visiting someone in the hospital, you you know you you you check in you you say who you want.00:32:08JackTo to visit, they make sure that you are that that the person who is in the hospital, who's sick, wants to see you. You know they're not gonna let anyone in. That makes the patient uncomfortable or feel more stress.00:32:26JackAnd and uh. And then you can come in and you can. You can spend a short amount of time, you know, just, you know, giving what we call in English, we say moral support, you know, just cheering up, lifting the spirits of the patient, the person who is sick.00:32:45JackBut yeah, it I think they're they're very strict about visiting hours and the amount of time that people are able to, to, to see the, the, their, their friend who is in the hospital because they have.00:33:01JackA job to.00:33:01JackDo and they don't.00:33:03JackWant any of that visiting to get in the way of what they need to do to make this person healthy? Because the number one objective is to get this person.00:33:15JackStable and in the recovery process and you know, and so oftentimes nurses get a bad reputation for being kind of mean.00:33:27JackYou know what I mean? Like, OK, now you get outta here. It's you're done. You know, it's like leave. Leave him alone. Let let him. Let him sleep. Let her sleep. And so it's it's kind you get kind of. They get a little bit of a bad reputation for that, but I think it's just because they need to be forceful.00:33:46JackOtherwise, family members and and friends will just kind of be hanging out there in the house.00:33:52JackPeople, and they don't want a lot of people hanging out in the hospital. Number one, they can bring in illnesses and you know, diseases and stuff like that. So if if one of those visitors is sick, that could hurt the the patient. It could also hurt other people who are in the hospital and a lot of.00:34:12JackYou don't when you're in the hospital.00:34:14JackAnd you're let's say.00:34:17JackIn a not in a room, but like.00:34:20JackYou know how to.00:34:21JackHave, like the curtains, a kind of a curtain room.00:34:25XochitlRight. It's like you're in. You're all in the same room, but you're separated.00:34:28XochitlBy privacy curtain.00:34:29JackPrivacy curtains. That's what I was looking for. And.00:34:34JackYou don't want you you've you're very.00:34:36JackVulnerable. You know, you're you're half naked, you know, like you're wearing a just a a hospital gown.00:34:44JackYou, you, you. You know you don't, you don't you you don't present well, you your you look sick. Your hair is a mess. You're not wearing makeup or whatever and.00:34:58JackThose people, they.00:34:59JackDon't want to be seen by a lot of.00:35:04JackOther strangers you know, because you know, I'm just thinking like, especially when like, kids come to the hospital, they're curious you.00:35:12JackKnow they want to look around and.00:35:15JackAnd see, you know, who are these other people and what's wrong with them? And that makes the patients uncomfortable. So I I think the reason there is a very strict rules about who can come in and for how long they can stay is not is, it's not about punishing the the.00:35:34JackPatient or the visitors, it's about making the other patients comfortable as well. And so I I kind of like the American system. I think it's because like you, you.00:35:45JackKnow in your situation.00:35:47JackYou didn't. You didn't have any immediate family there with you.00:35:50JackAt that time, I didn't.00:35:53JackThere should be some kind of.00:35:56JackProtocol for those situations, it shouldn't just be like, well, I guess that's, you know that that sucks for you. There's, you know, sorry you don't have anyone here to help you. It's like, you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do? You know, I I I thought it was just a very bizarre.00:36:09XochitlRight.00:36:16JackSituation I I was in a hospital. It was so funny. There was a TV, but there was a it was coin operated so.00:36:25JackYou had to actually get out of bed.00:36:28JackGo put coins into the TV.00:36:33JackAnd then it would turn on and you could buy.00:36:36JackI think maybe $0.50 would buy you.00:36:40Jack30 minutes of television.00:36:42JackSomething like that and.00:36:45JackAnd I didn't even have anyone to.00:36:47JackPut the coins.00:36:47JackIn the TV for me, you know, because it was like, you know, not the nurse's job to do that. So it it was just a very strange experience for me.00:37:00JackAnd I I I just was kind of, I didn't expect it. You know, it's one of those things when you live in another country.00:37:08JackUM, you can't predict everything.00:37:11XochitlRight.00:37:13JackAnd you just always assume that it's going to be the same as your country.00:37:18XochitlRay's really prepared for those kind of situations.00:37:22JackYeah, you just and and it's the funniest little.00:37:25JackSituations just like like I said, like the food where they just put the the food on the on the table. That was like far away from my bed. And I'm like, hello is what am I what? How do I eat this?00:37:39JackAnd yeah, it was just a very, very strange experience. And I'm not saying it's a bad experience. I think it's great that you, that family members are expected to kind of step up and do some of that work because I think nurses are overburdened with with too many things anyway.00:37:59JackUM, but I do think that like exceptions should be made when people don't have family members, because there are going to be situations where.00:38:10JackThere you know you have a patient that doesn't have, maybe they don't have any family left. Maybe their family is all passed away or they didn't, never had kids or who knows, it could be a whole host of reasons why there's you don't have someone there to help you or there should be like a service where you can hire.00:38:30JackAnd like a a helper.00:38:33JackYou know and.00:38:35XochitlThey do have that now. I think that you can get a private nurse now in Korea. I heard that you can.00:38:40XochitlPay a private nurse.00:38:41JackOhh. OK OK, maybe that would have been the right way for that. That would have been very useful for me. I just didn't know beforehand. So yeah, just.00:38:50발표자I don't know.00:38:51XochitlIf it was possible back then, or if it's just become more of a thing because a lot of people like move away from college now and there's more foreigners in the country and there's just like, I guess after years of situations where there was a patient that couldn't take care of themselves, they changed it a little bit. So you can like hire on.00:39:08XochitlOne recently I think you can hire on a nurse like a private.00:39:13XochitlNurse. But you would have.00:39:15XochitlTo pay additional money. And it's just kind of sucks in a way, because.00:39:20XochitlUM.00:39:22XochitlYou wouldn't really have.00:39:23XochitlTo worry about that, I guess like in the US like it's just included.00:39:28XochitlAnd they're charging you bazooka box.00:39:30XochitlAnother way to say a.00:39:31JackYeah, the money you're paying in America, you deserve a a whole private staff, a Butler, a maid.00:39:31XochitlLot of but like.00:39:40XochitlAnd the nurse that's working as a Butler and the made basically. And the medical professional, they're doing a lot so.00:39:47XochitlThat does make it really hard.00:39:50XochitlBut yeah, I think with in Korea that's one aspect I thought about getting the surgery I was going to get.00:39:58XochitlIn Korea, because it's so.00:40:00XochitlMuch cheaper, but then I realized.00:40:02XochitlLike I'd have to spend money for, like my mom or something to come out because.00:40:07XochitlAnd at that point, it's like I'm not saving that much money because I basically have to pay lodging for my mom, and I'd have to pay a plane ticket for her cause I'd need someone to take care of me because.00:40:17XochitlThe nurse isn't really.00:40:18XochitlGoing to do it or again, you could hire a private nurse. But again, that's also adding to your expenses. So that's just something to consider.00:40:25XochitlAnd it's like if you are going to move to a foreign country, I guess it's something to look into because it is shocking how different those experiences can be.00:40:34JackYeah. And you never know when you're gonna need, you know, I mean, I I had a a. Like I said I I had a back surgery at that time and it was a a ruptured disc in my spine and yeah. So I was in the hospital for several days. And I remember just gritting my teeth.00:40:55JackAnd uh.00:40:57JackTrying to get out of there as fast as I could. Like I went home after.00:41:02JackWay too fast. You know, I was just like, OK, if if no one's gonna help me, I can do. I can do.00:41:09JackThis at home. Then you know it'll be easier. And so I actually just.00:41:18JackIt's made me kind of pretended like I was doing better than I than I was with the doctor. You know, I was up.00:41:25JackWalking around and.00:41:27JackAnd how do?00:41:28JackYou feel ohh feel.00:41:29JackGreat. You know, but I didn't.00:41:33XochitlTo be at home.00:41:34JackI just wanted to get out of there because I was like, you know what, like, if, if if I'm going to do it all on my own.00:41:40JackAnyway, might as well be in my own apartment like there really is no reason for me to to, to be in this hospital. And so that was the one thing that kind of turned me off to it. The thing that I did like was they're very competent. They're very nice. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't a bad experience. It was just.00:42:00JackIt was one of those culture shock moments and and yeah there it's it's very interesting. Like I just what the expectations are from country to country and so you know I'd really like love to hear from our listeners out there like what is it like in your country?00:42:04XochitlRight.00:42:19JackBecause, you know, do they do the nurses like, what are the what's what are what are the job duties of of a nurse in other countries? Because I I bet it's some of them are similar to Korea and some are probably similar to the United States.00:42:39XochitlRight. It's like.00:42:39JackYeah, I'd be really interested.00:42:41XochitlOur nurses. Yeah. I want to hear from you listeners, our nurses, you know, expected to take on duties like the US. Or is there other hospital staff that takes the place of a nurse or patients kind of left to fend for their own if they don't have any family? Like, does family have responsibilities? What's the protocol for?00:43:01XochitlVisiting sick family. Yeah, we would really like to hear from you guys, so make sure to leave a comment down below at A-Z. Inversepodcast.com shoot us an e-mail at AZ englishpodcast@gmail.com.00:43:13XochitlAnd join our WhatsApp only chat groups to join the conversation and let Jack and I.00:43:17XochitlKnow what's it?00:43:17XochitlLike in your country. 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In this episode of The Jack & "Chill Podcast, the two hosts discuss the difficulty of growing an audience for a podcast, a vlog, or a You Tube channel.Transcript:00:00:00XochitlYou are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.00:00:14JackAll right. So so. So tell me about your, uh, your travel page, your social media.00:00:20JackTravel page.00:00:21XochitlLike the struggle is so real with trying to grow social media and you know you and I have experienced this before because we're trying to grow A-Z English podcast. And the complication is really cut to grow, especially for like niches like.00:00:37XochitlLike language, learning, podcasts, or travel pages or whatever, because there's a lot of quality content and bizarre content and like attention grabbing content that's competing with your content and everyone's attention span has become so short. Because I'm guilty of this too. Like, I'll see a real or like a video or a post.00:00:59XochitlOn my Instagram and I'll like it, but I won't finish watching it. I'll just, like, give it a like or save it.00:01:04XochitlFor later, which I never go back to and.00:01:07XochitlAnd just keep.00:01:08XochitlLike I won't sit there and watch.00:01:09XochitlA 5 second video.00:01:12XochitlFor three seconds and and that's how they measure it. To promote your videos. How many people? How many? 3 second views did you get? At least in Instagram and Facebook?00:01:23XochitlThat's how they promote your content is based on the amount of three second views you're getting, because if you're able to capture some of the attention for three seconds, that means that your real is classified as interesting enough to keep showing it to more people. That's the metric. Now is 3 seconds of your time.00:01:40JackGoodness, that's good.00:01:41JackGrief. I know exactly you're talking about. It's like.00:01:47JackIt it almost takes like you almost have to be delusional, like crazy to to even think that that you can be successful in this space. You know what I mean? It's it. It takes. Yeah. It takes like a level of like self delusion where you just kind of trick yourself into thinking you're going to be successful.00:02:07JackBecause it's so saturated with like.00:02:12JackLike you said, quality.00:02:13JackContent and bad quality content you know like.00:02:17JackIt's it's a.00:02:17JackMix of everything and when you jump in there, you're just like your one tiny little star in the Galaxy. Like there's no there's, you know, and then you just from there, you have to just start building.00:02:33JackSome sort of fan base, you know, and the only way to do that is by participating in social media, because if you go into these groups and you just spam.00:02:45JackThem you'll be. That's worse than not promoting your podcast at all, you know, like, yeah, I'll get banned right from the group right away. And everyone will look at me like, oh, that person is just a they're just a spammer, you know? So what you have to do is you have to get involved in these groups and you have to become like a member.00:02:51XochitlWait, you're good, ban.00:03:06JackAnd that it takes a lot of time right? To like answer, reply to emails, reply to social media posts and Facebook posts and stuff like that. And then after you do that for.00:03:18JackLike a month. If somebody asks you like, hey, by the way, do you know a good podcast to to learn English? And then you could say ohh yeah, I know a good podcast. It's called the A-Z English podcast and you could then finally drop it, but you have to.00:03:33JackDo it in that.00:03:33JackVery subtle kind of way, but all that work and all those hours of like.00:03:39JackTime I spent, you know, chatting with with people in the groups just to become a member and accept it into the group so that I could, you know, and it's it's really like that's the stuff that's the hard part making the podcast is easy. You.00:03:54JackKnow you just.00:03:56JackGet together and record an episode. It's fun. Editing is great. Adding the music and that sort of stuff. It seems like that would be the hard part, but that is the absolute easiest part of the process. The hardest part is.00:04:11JackBuilding a community.00:04:12JackSo I like how did you.00:04:14JackBuild your community in in your.00:04:16JackFor your Facebook Travel travel blog.00:04:19XochitlI just see like I haven't really.00:04:22XochitlDone any of the stuff you've done, like go in local chats or anything like that, or post about it. I think honestly, I think one of the things where we fell short both in the 8 is the English.00:04:32XochitlPodcast you do a.00:04:33XochitlLot of work yourself like marketing.00:04:35XochitlThe page but I.00:04:36XochitlJust think we're not shameless enough, Jack. Like, we don't have that totally shameless promotional attitude.00:04:41XochitlThat a lot of people.00:04:43XochitlA lot of social media influencers have.00:04:45XochitlLike, we're kind of we're not.00:04:47XochitlShy about our work per se.00:04:49XochitlBut we definitely have like.00:04:51XochitlA certain level of decorum that just does not exist in this new level of competitive marketing age.00:04:58XochitlLike people do, disband the chats and hope that someone clicks on their content and hopes that someone notices their content and they have no decorum about it.00:05:08JackNo shame, no humility. You're just like.00:05:12XochitlYeah, they don't care.00:05:13XochitlHow they come off at all, they just want the.00:05:15XochitlClicks want the views.00:05:16XochitlAnd they kind of follow that old saying like.00:05:20XochitlWhat is it? No, there's no such thing.00:05:23XochitlAs bad publicity.00:05:24JackRight.00:05:25XochitlA lot of people really live both of words and and I struggle. Yeah. And so for me, I I have been sharing my, you know, my Facebook page. I did share it on one chat. I'm part of a group called. So I guess I lied. I do do it a little bit. I'm part of a group called Viajeros and.00:05:43XochitlAKA which is like a travel group for Oaxaca.00:05:48XochitlAnd I was part.00:05:49XochitlOf this community for a long time and.00:05:51XochitlOne day.00:05:52XochitlThe administrator gave people a chance to share their social media, so that was one way that I got a few of these on my Instagram, on my Facebook and another way is through my networking opportunities like I've worked in the tourism industry. So of course when we exchange social media information.00:06:09XochitlI have gotten some followers through there.00:06:13XochitlAnd then I do share like with my Facebook friends.00:06:19XochitlI've started to because I.00:06:23XochitlUsed to not. It's like I used to feel embarrassed about sharing my content to my Facebook friends. But.00:06:28XochitlNow it's like that's a big.00:06:31XochitlChunk of people that could watch and share and support your content, you know, and I do notice that the people who are the most shameless or have the least shame.00:06:42JackYou're the most to have the most success, right?00:06:45XochitlHaving a success. There's another guy on the viejitos group and.00:06:48XochitlHe just he.00:06:49XochitlUsed to spam basically spam the chat and.00:06:52XochitlHe would like literally.00:06:55XochitlInformation hostage of people. They ask a general question, and if you need to answer, you said I'll tell you the answer if.00:06:59XochitlYou can prove.00:07:00XochitlThat you're following my Facebook page.00:07:02JackYeah. You sent me your.00:07:04JackE-mail. Yeah, yeah, yeah.00:07:05XochitlWell, you like send me a screen capture the fact that it's on his page and and I think he gained like $10,000 this year alone, but he was famous about it, but he really did. I would never do something like that. I'd never be like I'm not giving you information unless you send me a screenshot of you.00:07:13JackYeah, yeah.00:07:24XochitlFollowing my Facebook page like it just seems like so like for us we would say like in poor.00:07:30XochitlTaste, you know.00:07:32JackYeah, no, you and.00:07:33JackI would never do that. We would never hold anyone or any information hostage if someone, if one of our listeners came to us, you know, because we're just like.00:07:42JackI mean, I don't think we do. We don't do this for the fame or or the the fortune or whatever. I think we just do it because we enjoy the process and you know that's that's not. But I I would love to to see the the podcast grow to.00:08:00JackThe level of like those other major English language learning podcasts like I I wanted, I want to achieve that. I just want to do it in like an honest way.00:08:11JackWhere and I.00:08:12JackAnd I'm not saying that those those.00:08:13JackPodcasts weren't, you know, honest and.00:08:18JackI I guess what I'm saying is like they I think they were there early. They were early adapters. They kind of figured it out early. They saw something where we're late adapters. You know we we're jumping in into the lake when it's already full of of people you know, it's just like there's not, there's nothing special.00:08:24XochitlRight.00:08:38JackYou know, we're trying to.00:08:39JackDifferentiate ourselves because I like to think of the A-Z as.00:08:43JackLike the we're kind of.00:08:44JackThe red headed stepchild of the.00:08:47JackLanguage learning base because we do things.00:08:50JackA little bit different. You know, it's like it's not as clean and refined and and like.00:08:55XochitlWe're not as organized. I think we.00:08:57XochitlHave a lot of heart though.00:08:58XochitlLike our community is.00:08:59XochitlSincere we actually care a lot.00:09:01XochitlWhat our listeners, we know our listeners like on our personal level, those that are in the sub groups or the WeChat groups and Jack, you put a lot of effort into interacting with people. I was having so many issues with WhatsApp so.00:09:13XochitlI haven't been.00:09:14XochitlAble to be as active as I.00:09:15XochitlUsed to be and want to.00:09:16XochitlBe on chat but.00:09:19JackI'm I'm very close with a lot of our listeners in, in the WhatsApp group for sure and they they take some of our classes, our world English online, Google meets classes that we teach. So you know our our I know a lot of the listeners that listen to our podcast, some of them have that have been on our show.00:09:39JackYou know they've they've come on in.00:09:40JackGuests but uh. But when you're talking about like podcasting, we're we have to scale it up to you want thousands and thousands of of listeners a day, you know, thousands of thousands of people listening each day. And you know, we're we're in the hundreds of people.00:10:01JackWhich is still I.00:10:02JackMean that's a lot of people. Imagine A room.00:10:03JackFull of 100 and 5200.00:10:05JackPeople, and they're all there for you, you know, like that would be amazing, you know.00:10:06XochitlYeah, it's, it's.00:10:12XochitlYeah, it's not like we're professors. I mean, you're a professor at a university, right? It's kind of.00:10:16XochitlLike that? Like being a Professor university and your class is successful and you have like 450 people. Your class is easy. A known as an easy Angel.00:10:16JackYeah, yeah.00:10:26JackWell, I would never, I don't think.00:10:27JackI could ever get a class full of 150 people at my own university, but yeah, I mean, just standing. You know, if I were in a room with with 300 people and they were all there to listen to me.00:10:38JackTo you and me, talk, I I would be like, you know, honored it would be it'd be intimidating, you know? So it's not. It's not like we're, you know, it's not like.00:10:50JackWe're we're not a.00:10:50JackFailing podcast. We're just I think we're stuck in like a kind of middle zone where I feel like we're ready to break through.00:10:58JackWe just need some kind of push or some kind of.00:11:04JackIt's it's always, I guess what you always have to do is kind of keep tweaking and you keep adjusting until you find the right frequency and then you and and you can resonate with with an audience and and break through the noise I guess is what you.00:11:21발표자I think.00:11:23XochitlWe are a little unorganized because we've kind of.00:11:25XochitlBeen seeing what?00:11:26XochitlSticks like it's a process. When you start up a podcast or social media page, you publish a lot of different types of content, and then you see what performs the best and you kind of try to repeat that formula in a structured way to ensure your success, you know.00:11:45JackWell, I'm. I'm good friends with uh with Robin Shaw Shaw English online.00:11:49JackAnd he, you know, the.00:11:51JackAdvice he always gives me is testing. He's always testing, testing new. You know, sticking with the stuff that works and then testing something new and and because you never know when you might just hit something.00:12:04JackThat's absolutely.00:12:07JackJust resonates with people on such a intense level, and that's that's what I think we're always doing is, you know, couple episodes a week are are kind of in our wheelhouse, they're comfortable. And then a couple episodes are kind of outside the box. And so, yeah, even after we, we've been doing this podcast.00:12:27JackFor you and I have been doing it for about a year, Kevin and I did it for about 6 months, so together the podcast has been around for a year and a half. That's relatively young for a podcast.00:12:39JackI mean, it doesn't.00:12:41JackI I think I don't think we're.00:12:44JackI think the.00:12:44JackSuccess that we've had with this podcast is is above average for a a podcast our age. That's my my my thinking I could be wrong. You know, obviously like famous people. You know, people that are celebrities and they start a podcast. It's it starts off you're already.00:13:02JackOn a different level.00:13:05JackYou know, but they're that's cause they're they're leveraging their fame that they had and bringing it into the podcast space. When you're 2 unknown people like us. And we're just starting from the ground up and building something. What we've accomplished is actually quite admirable. I think like it's really it's something special.00:13:25JackAnd to be able to, you know, keep growing that in a space that's already saturated with a lot of a lot of people trying to do the exact same thing that we're trying to do.00:13:38JackThat's why I tried. That's why I'm I'm trying to.00:13:41JackLike I always say, this expression is zig when everyone else sags. You know, like that's the that's kind of the.00:13:48JackThe theory behind this.00:13:49JackPodcast is like.00:13:50JackIf everybody's going to be doing this.00:13:51JackKind of one way style. Why don't we?00:13:55JackDo it a different way.00:13:56JackYou know, so that's why we kind of more free free form conversations that weren't highly edited and we kind of speak at a normal speed and we we challenge our listeners to, you know, hold on for the roller coaster ride that is our conversation.00:13:57XochitlRight.00:14:14JackAnd that's.00:14:15XochitlYou know, because if they can, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, Jack. I just. If they can do so, you know that they're really applying their skills on a new level. That it when they come to the US or when they use their English language skills or when they use their speaking skills or their listening skills. You know that they are going to be.00:14:18JackNo, no, no, go.00:14:18발표자Ahead, go ahead.00:14:34XochitlAble to hold their own.00:14:35XochitlIn a real life.00:14:38JackYes, I I think that's really important. I don't do, I don't really do teacher talk even even in my classroom. I just don't believe in it. I think my students are better served listening to me speak at the rate that the normal rate that I that I normally speak at and and be prepared for what they're actually going to encounter.00:14:59JackIn the United States or Canada or England, then opposed to some kind of like you know.00:15:06JackBaby talk that I use in the classroom so that everybody can understand.00:15:12JackBut when you get into the real world, no one's gonna do that. You know, baby talk thing for you that's sheltered, you know, talk. They're gonna speak at a normal speed, and you're gonna have to to be prepared.00:15:24JackFor that, so I I don't.00:15:26JackKnow I that's.00:15:27JackThat's always been my theory, my philosophy.00:15:33JackWe try to.00:15:33JackSlow things down a little bit. The problem with you and me is that we we're fast talkers, you know? And so, you know, it's probably some people might tune into our podcast and go.00:15:48JackWow, they they talk so fast, I can't even, you know, this is way beyond my my level. So you know, that's something that we, you and I could probably work on is like trying to slow down a little bit. But like I said, I don't really believe in that. I kind of believe in, you know.00:16:04JackLearning the way it really is, the reality is, is always going to be more, more beneficial than some sort of sheltered, you know, English that we can give to them and and make them feel good in the moment. But then when they when they're faced with the real.00:16:24JackSpeaking situations real authentic language learning like English speaking experiences, they're gonna have, they're gonna struggle.00:16:33JackSo I that's just my my my feeling, but maybe we're off off topic now a little bit, I don't know.00:16:40XochitlA little, but it's OK, you know, I think I think it all ties into the whole.00:16:45XochitlYou know social media aspect and then another another last question I have for you about you know growing your social media personally I found in my journey with social media that content it's like.00:17:01XochitlUh, there's a couple of reasons I feel like we're starting a page. It's not necessarily about, as you said, it's like the delusion of success and whatnot. But for me and for you.00:17:10XochitlI believe as.00:17:11XochitlWell, more than.00:17:13XochitlCaring about success, I think it's like we.00:17:16XochitlWe enjoy what we're doing and success to us means that people are also enjoying and responding to what we're doing and so it's nice to feel that like recognition and one thing I have noticed is that sometimes content that I never thought.00:17:36XochitlWould perform so well.00:17:39XochitlIt like it does really well. And then content that I really didn't try that hard on or that.00:17:46XochitlYou know, that does really well. And then content that I really put my whole heart into or that I thought would perform amazingly, it kind of fell short and UM.00:17:57XochitlThe social media.00:17:58JackSpace is completely upside down from what I learned as a communications major as an undergrad, like when when I was young. If you make something good, people will find.00:18:09JackNeed it. You know what I mean? Like, if it's good people. Now, if you make something good. But it has a bad thumbnail, they'll never find it.00:18:13발표자Right.00:18:19JackLike but if you have a good thumbnail, a great thumbnail and mediocre content.00:18:19XochitlThe way.00:18:27JackThat that'll perform better than, uh. So, right. So like you said that 3 second thing is really important. It's like if you can't grab, if you can't grab the audience's attention in three seconds and.00:18:42JackI don't know. Maybe you know, I'm thinking like.00:18:45JackHow does that translate to the podcasting space? Because I'm talking about the YouTube space and Facebook space where.00:18:50JackYou are with your.00:18:52JackYour travel blog your your travel page because it's all about like a good a good thumbnail grabbing the attention.00:19:00JackAnd then people will watch your content and the content does. I've seen such like, mediocre kind of just boring.00:19:08JackSent get huge numbers.00:19:13JackAnd I'm just totally baffled by it. Like.00:19:16JackI'm I don't.00:19:16JackUnderstand it. Why is that video so amazing performing so well and a lot of times it's like YouTube will promote things.00:19:28JackInternally, like, they'll test things and stuff, so your YouTube might grab your video and show it to 100,000 people.00:19:37XochitlRight.00:19:37JackAnd just to see how it performs.00:19:40JackJust a test.00:19:41JackIt's just part of an algorithm and.00:19:46JackAnd so it's nothing to do with you, it's just YouTube kind of randomly choosing stuff. And I think Facebook probably does the same thing right? It'll it'll. It'll test it and take your your stuff and show it to 100,000 people. And then if it doesn't perform well, then they'll they'll throw you away for a while.00:20:05JackWell, and then you go to the back of the line. It's like you had your chance. Your, your, your. Yeah, you blew it because your your content didn't meet the standard that people want. So now you go back in line and you start over again, you know, in the podcasting space is a little bit different because there is no like thumbnail.00:20:27JackYou know, we just have our logo and that's what so people if that don't know, our podcasts are just scrolling through. And I think we have a good logo. I think the logo is nice.00:20:38JackI think maybe in something I could try and I'm just thinking out loud is not do any sort of opening music, just jump right into the conversation.00:20:51발표자Right.00:20:52JackUM.00:20:54발표자So I might I.00:20:54JackMight try that this week, you know, and just and just bring have closing.00:20:59발표자I think.00:20:59JackBut we don't.00:21:00JackNeed the introduction to the podcast? We can just get right into the conversation immediately so that people don't have to wait, you know 15 seconds because like you said, 3 seconds is is is all you need for a real well 15 seconds is a lifetime, you know.00:21:18XochitlYeah, I think.00:21:19JackIn this modern.00:21:21XochitlJack, I think what you were taught as a communications major and even what I was taught as an English major, even though I just recently went through college, a lot of things that were taught and that are professors believe are outdated. And I think it's because of this. We were taught that there's like an introduction, you know, like a.00:21:40XochitlA hook IMAX and an ending and now?00:21:43XochitlAll you have is your.00:21:44XochitlHook. That's pretty much it.00:21:47XochitlIt's like there's so much competition now that all you have going for you is your hook. If your content isn't like hook after hook after hook, you're flatlined. It's just not going the way that it needs to be.00:22:01JackI do, yeah.00:22:04XochitlAnd I think also with content like it's no longer what's good or what's quality content and what's bad and what's poor quality content, it's all about what's attention grabbing like. If you see a thumbnail of a girl.00:22:18XochitlEating the raw octopus from Korea like you're going to get like a million clicks on that versus you might have a really great video of someone, a guy or girl talking about like oh, this sashimi is really delicious and they might actually go into detail and crack the whole quality content about it.00:22:38XochitlBut because it's not like attention grabbing, it's not like what the heck are that? Is that person eating what's going on? Like, what does that taste like? The curiosity and the tension grabbing aspect of it is like pretty much all we have, like, shock value is a huge social media now.00:22:55JackLike 3.00:22:56JackThree teenagers or young 20s people who are attractive laughing and giggling while trying to eat octopus versus like a a chef who's in his 40s. But he's like a works at like A2 Michelin star restaurant.00:23:16JackYou know or whatever.00:23:17JackExplaining the delicacy of that of of eating it, you know, one is like.00:23:25JackOne is what the first version of that is like, fast food. You know what I mean? Like entertainment. It's just like McDonald's. The second one video is, like, actually has information and knowledge and perspective. And that's like a like a nutritious meal. But where does everybody go? You know, everyone gravitates towards the like.00:23:45JackJunk food, you know, just give me.00:23:47XochitlRight.00:23:49XochitlYeah, because at the end, sorry.00:23:51XochitlJack, I didn't cut you off there.00:23:52XochitlBut at the end.00:23:53XochitlAll about your audience, and I feel like audience for high quality, high production content like maybe the chef at the Michelin restaurant. That's for like an older generation and the people who are scrolling Facebook wheels, Instagram wheels, I know a lot of people say only old people.00:24:09XochitlFacebook. But that's not true. I would never young and I use it. People who are on there scrolling those pages are mostly young people, and they're gonna watch the weird stuff, the shock value, stuff, the funny fun content they want.00:24:27XochitlThat easy to digest, short, entertaining content above anything else, and they prioritize shock value and they prioritize. Find their content and something that gives them a laugh or something that weirds them out. And that's kind of the formula that you have to follow when you want to hook people these days. And you know talking.00:24:47XochitlThis is just like made me think so much about how I run my page because I kind of run it as a soothing or an informational content page. And I think if I want to pick up popularities here, I need to focus a lot.00:24:58XochitlOn like shock.00:25:03XochitlLike shock, all you find the interesting stuff.00:25:06JackYeah, yeah, yeah, you.00:25:07JackIt's it's all about that first.00:25:09JackIf if you can, I don't know.00:25:11JackDo you make?00:25:11JackThumbnails and stuff like that for your videos or.00:25:15XochitlI do. I usually use like.00:25:17XochitlIf I'm doing one on.00:25:20XochitlLike I did one recently yesterday, like the best news I saw in 2023 and so my thumbnail was just a nice view. And yes, it's pretty and stuff, but I think that kind of suiting content doesn't perform as well as something where a person can't tell what they're looking at and they're so intrigued they want to click on the video.00:25:40JackI'm. I'm not. I'm not like a I'm not good at at making thumbnails, but you know better than I used to be. But yeah, I would. I would do.00:25:48JackLike take a.00:25:49JackLittle thumbnail tutorial on YouTube and then start thumb making thumbnails for your videos and see if that doesn't like.00:25:58JackYou know if.00:25:59JackYou if you get some of those like.00:26:01JackSome of those.00:26:02JackKind of thumbnails where you're like, you know.00:26:04JackI don't know. Making a facial.00:26:06JackExpression of surprise or whatever, you know like.00:26:08JackOh, and then you know, some background.00:26:11JackOr you know what, I.00:26:12JackMean like something where people?00:26:13JackAre just like they they.00:26:14JackHave to click on it because they want to know like what's what is. What's this about, you know? Yeah.00:26:19XochitlHi this is about.00:26:21XochitlAnd the last thing that I think would really up our content for both the ABC English podcasts and my.00:26:30XochitlIs putting our faces out there more? I think this year we do have the goal once my Internet teacher improves of having our faces on the podcast and posting it on YouTube and.00:26:41XochitlFor me like.00:26:42XochitlIncluding my face more in my travel content because I've noticed that it doesn't really matter. I'm not saying that.00:26:48XochitlYou or I aren't attractive, but it doesn't really matter necessarily how attractive a person is. I've seen plenty of like 40 year old, much bunkers and stuff like and travel bloggers. He's still really successful, but it's like people want to connect with that.00:26:57발표자OK.00:27:03XochitlPersonal well, like on a personal level. And when you see a bunch of pretty scenes or a bunch of pictures of food, but you don't really see anyone eating it. Like there's so many successful videos of just like a person eating food and what, like, it's just weird to me. It was like, oh, I took all these, like, nice shots.00:27:06JackYeah, yeah.00:27:23XochitlOf the food. But there's no pictures of me eating it. And it's like my content didn't perform that well and there's these ones and this girl, just like eating crap and like they performed really well. But it's like, I think people just develop a parent social relationship, which for our listeners who.00:27:38XochitlYou don't understand what that means. It's like when you feel that the person on the screen is your friend, basically, and in this information age like I think.00:27:50XochitlThat's kind of an important aspect. They don't want to.00:27:53XochitlSound weird about that? Like.00:27:54XochitlI don't think it's necessarily always a negative thing.00:27:57JackNo, no, I.00:27:57XochitlIt can be really.00:27:59JackThe parasocial that I'm glad you brought that up.00:28:02JackBecause that's that's huge.00:28:04JackThat is like that. You are the in on the A-Z English podcast. If we do a YouTube channel and just do our podcast but we record video and I upload it there, the the viewer is now the third person in the room. You know what I mean? Like you you're you're sitting, you're sitting in that third. There's like a third empty.00:28:25JackShare and and we call it. Sometimes we sometimes we.00:28:27JackCall it the 4th.00:28:28JackWall and you know, you know I'm talking about like, you know, you know and.00:28:31XochitlYeah, yeah.00:28:34XochitlOh yeah.00:28:35JackBreaking the 4th wall would be like we're talking to you as as like the the.00:28:39JackThe third person in the.00:28:41JackAnd I had. I had this huge pair of social relationship with this, with this podcast where the IT was a politics podcast, right?00:28:53JackAnd it really.00:28:54JackShaped my politics, this one broadcaster this that got one of the podcasters. The guy on the podcast was named. His name was.00:29:01JackMichael brooks.00:29:02JackAnd and his his insight and intelligence on the political landscape and everything informed me for years. Like I would just and he and he was also wickedly funny. So it was like this really enjoyable experience where I was learning tons about American politics and foreign foreign affairs.00:29:23JackAnd then also laughing hysterically. Well, suddenly he died one day. He's 37 years old. Aneurysm's gone.00:29:34JackHit hit me like a shovel. Like I swear to you, I have never. I didn't realize that I had a parasocial relationship with this person because it it hurt like a friend dying for three days. You know, it was. It was just like a like a gut punch.00:29:54JackYou know, I I cried like you know what?00:29:57JackI mean like and.00:29:58JackAnd I realized like this is weird. I'm crying over the death of a person that doesn't even know I'm exist. That doesn't.00:30:05JackEven know I'm alive?00:30:07발표자Right.00:30:07JackYet he was so open and so honest, and so intelligent, and it's such a good broadcaster or podcaster that he made me feel like we were friends. Like, that's a that's a special talent. You know, people that can do that. And so that parasocial relationship especially.00:30:26JackIn a time where we're so atomized and so like fragmented as like a, you know, as a, as a culture, as a society, right?00:30:33XochitlAnxiety jam.00:30:36JackAnd that people are looking for that. And so I think you're right, if you're, if you start swimming towards those waters, you're going to have more success. You know what I mean? Like and. And. And I I don't think it's like I don't think it necessarily is.00:30:52JackA bad thing?00:30:53JackI don't what?00:30:53JackDo you think do you?00:30:54JackThink a parasocial.00:30:55JackRelationship is, I mean I I don't think like.00:30:58JackThat should be the number one objective of your channel of your, of your, of your.00:31:03JackAge. But like if it happens if people just feel like they become your friend, I think that's OK.00:31:04XochitlRight.00:31:11JackI guess it's.00:31:12JackJust up to what you're you know what you're willing to to what you're comfortable with. You know what I mean? Like.00:31:18XochitlYeah, I think that a parasocial relationship gets a bad rap, but I don't think it's a bad thing. I think that where society is so fragmented and there's still a lot of isolation and effects from the pandemic that it can help you feel less lonely. I remember during the pandemic I was a huge fan of Emma.00:31:32JackRight.00:31:38XochitlChamberlain and she's a YouTuber. Famous YouTuber who?00:31:43XochitlBreaks the 4th wall really often and makes you feel like you're there with her wherever she goes, like you're hanging out with her or you're going on this adventure with her, or you're just cooking with her in her kitchen and it's just like people, creators who are successful.00:32:00XochitlAnd connecting with their audience on that level and helping people feel less lonely and helping people feel more connected to them as creators and as people are usually the ones who are really successful.00:32:15XochitlAnd I think it's a big aspect of why.00:32:21XochitlWhen TV was invented, radio died out as well. It's like being able to see someone and.00:32:25JackRight.00:32:30XochitlThe amount of love that people could feel for a television star or celebrity because you're seeing that person and you're following their career talk shows. For example. I mean, podcasts have existed since invention of television, and they were talk shows before, basically, and they were, well, really successful because people were sitting at their homes and they felt validated in their opinions.00:32:51XochitlOr they thought they were learning something.00:32:52XochitlAny shows or they're just being entertained and having a good time. And I think that that level of human connection is what we seek and we use technology for that purpose moving forward through social media. And I think that's what makes certain social media pages so successful.00:33:09JackYeah, I Robin Shaw of Shaw English online is he's kind of been my North star when it comes to.00:33:16JackLike social media and stuff like that, I respect his opinions a lot and he said to to me for for you and I and for you and me or for you and I to have success in in the space we need to get our our YouTube channel up with video because right now like a lot of the the.00:33:36JackBecause that would put us ahead of the curve.00:33:38JackLittle bit.00:33:39JackAnd I'll tell you why.00:33:41JackSo we jumped into the audio space, which is like you said is.00:33:44JackIs like going back to old timey radio, you know.00:33:47JackWell, the only difference is you can just listen to whenever you want, but that's what a podcast is. It's a radio show. I mean, the talk to talk about like, you know, the antiquated like, you know.00:33:59JackOld you know.00:34:01JackYeah. So we hopped into space and we did we.00:34:04JackDid all right, you know?00:34:06JackIn order to.00:34:07JackTake it to the next level and a.00:34:09JackLot of these.00:34:09JackPodcasts don't do this is start recording your podcast with video.00:34:15JackPutting it on YouTube and then giving people the opportunity to either watch it on YouTube or listen to it, and now you now you've got two different mediums that you're, you know, so we so.00:34:29JackWe've we've made, we've taken.00:34:30JackSome steps right, we've got our.00:34:31JackLighting issues a little.00:34:32JackBit better what we once we get the.00:34:35JackWi-Fi situation sorted out. We'll we'll be able to kind of make it look like.00:34:40JackA A proper.00:34:42JackStudio, you know.00:34:43JackWhere we're even though we're recording in different country.00:34:46JackAnd I think in that case, at that point you and I will have stepped up. Uh, we'll we'll made a step forward like a step up or whatever. We, we'll we'll have taken a big step up because, you know, we'll we'll now be the podcast that you can watch like a show or.00:35:06JackTo like a radio show. So I think that'll really help us.00:35:11JackI'm I'm not.00:35:12JackSure. I don't know if you think if you agree or not, but.00:35:15XochitlYeah, I definitely agree. And I'm I'm with it and I think we should make it a New Year's resolution for the podcast this year.00:35:24JackRight, yes, this is our 20.00:35:25XochitlYeah. So the 24 solution for the A-Z English podcast and the Jack and Jill Sub podcast, yeah.00:35:26Jack24 New Year's resolution is.00:35:38JackYeah, we've already got a YouTube channel. You know what I mean? So we've got YouTube channel. We're already uploading everything there, but you, you go to the YouTube channel, you can only listen to it. 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In this episode of Jack & 'Chill, the two answer some Christmas related "this one" or "that one" questions. Then they talk about some annoying holiday traditions. After that, they discuss The Grinch. Finally, they share what makes their hearts grow three sizes.Transcript:00:00:00XochitlYou are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast alright, Jack. For this episode of Jack and Chill I have a fun game of this or that which for viewers.00:00:20XochitlMeans that I will ask Jack whether he would prefer one option or a second option and he will tell me which one he prefers and then I will also answer.00:00:30XochitlSo Jack, do you prefer fruit cake, which is a holiday dessert that is kind of unpopular in the US? It's basically a kind of like a loaf of cake with candied fruits incorporated into it. Or ambrosia salad, which is a creamy.00:00:50XochitlSweet salad with several different types of fruit and fruit flavored marshmallows in it.00:00:59JackYeah. You know, when I was a kid, I would have said ambrosia salad. I would prefer that because it's kind of the texture is kind of like it's kind of like jello jello or, you know, kind of a Jelly.00:01:14XochitlYeah, like a sweet whipped.00:01:16JackYes, sweet whipped, very light. It's it's you.00:01:20JackYou know the expression.00:01:21JackThere's always room for Jello, you know? So at the end of of a big meal, you could still eat a little bit of ambrosia salad and it's not going to fill you up too much. And it's sweet, but now I've I think it's disgusting. It's way too sweet. It's just.00:01:40JackI would rather have a a slice of fruitcake.00:01:43JackTo be honest.00:01:45JackI don't mind fruitcake that much. I mean, I know that it's it's not my favorite dessert, but it's got some nuts in it. It's got some.00:01:56JackA little bit of candied fruit and a little bit of cake, so you know it's not. It's not too much, it's it doesn't overload the senses like ambrosia salad does.00:02:10JackI don't know. What do you think?00:02:12XochitlUhm, I never liked ambrosia salad, even as a kid I had kind of weird taste buds, like I prefer dark chocolate over milk chocolate. Even from being a little child and.00:02:23XochitlI I would drink.00:02:23JackYeah, that's sophisticated.00:02:25XochitlBlack Coffee, also as a child, is the Mexico kids drink coffee. I had. I did add some sugar into it, but I wouldn't put any milk and I didn't like it. Very sweet because I like the like kind of bitter flavor profile.00:02:40XochitlSo I always had weird taste buds and.00:02:42XochitlI hated hamburger salad. It was just horrible and I would say I would pick fruit cake even though as a kid I also didn't like the texture of like the candied fruits, raisins and like nuts in it.00:02:54XochitlI would pick. I would pick those out, but now as an adult, I think I could just eat the whole thing. I think with like a coffee.00:03:00XochitlBe or like a.00:03:04XochitlOne chip which we make in Mexico, which is like the hot.00:03:06XochitlFruit punch. Drink, I think.00:03:07XochitlThat it would be tolerable.00:03:10JackYeah, I would.00:03:11JackI would be right now I would be very satisfied with a slice of fruit cake and a a latte.00:03:18JackLike that would be. That would be nice like with my neck but a.00:03:22XochitlI'll be hitting on Jack.00:03:22JackLike a bowl.00:03:23JackOf a bowl of marshmallows with you know, Jello and whip and whipped cream does not.00:03:27XochitlWith green.00:03:30JackIt doesn't sound good to me. It's just a. Yeah, it's nasty.00:03:35XochitlRight now, yeah, I can't imagine it would be, like, hard to get a spoon down and then with the food cake, it's like, yeah, I could do it. You know, I I wouldn't mind, actually. Yeah.00:03:44XochitlI got you. All right, Jack, for next one. Do you prefer eggnog or hot chocolate?00:03:50JackYeah, I know we're going to have a a bitter argument about this one, but I love.00:03:56JackI love it.00:03:56XochitlYou know what? I've come around to eggnog.00:03:59XochitlI'll let you finish, but I'll let you finish.00:03:59JackOh, OK. Yeah. I'm a big eggnog fan. My dad used to buy because they only sold it seasonally. And where I go.00:04:09XochitlUh-huh. It's still only sold seasonally.00:04:11JackYeah, and it was. My dad used to buy one called Holly Nog. That was like the name of the company and dog. It was just like you. Like a milk carton, but instead out came this, like, think. I don't know how to describe. It's so thick. Like it's just thick, thick.00:04:17XochitlSo I yeah.00:04:31JackLike and a thick liquid and and you drink it cold and it's not milk, but it's kind of it's Milky.00:04:40XochitlIt's kind of.00:04:40XochitlLike a custard, like a liquid custard.00:04:43JackYeah, exactly. It's very much like a liquid custard, but I.00:04:47XochitlIn fact it is. It has eggs very good.00:04:47발표자Always found.00:04:50JackYeah. Well, I just like to take, like, a coffee cup with a half a coffee, coffee cup of eggnog, and. And it's so heavy. And it's so rich that you could just take little sips. And it feels like you're taking a whole bite of some kind of dessert. It's like drinking a dessert based.00:05:10JackAm I? I know the calories.00:05:12JackIn there have to be astronomical like.00:05:14XochitlOhh it's bad because I had like it said for like 4 oz. It's like over 200 calories and I definitely have like 2.00:05:21Xochitl8 oz cups today so I I just found like 800 calories of.00:05:26XochitlThe eggnog in one day.00:05:30JackI mean, I could drink a whole carton of it, to be honest. Like I I tried to make it once even and it didn't turn out too well. I put too much vanilla extract in it and it made my throat hurt.00:05:40XochitlOh yeah.00:05:44JackSo yeah, it can. It burned, but I you know, I love. I love eggnog and I'm not. I'm not a big hot chocolate drinker. I just don't. I've got a bunch in my house and it just expires because no one drinks it.00:05:44XochitlOhh burn.00:05:58XochitlIs it like the Swiss news type that you have though, like the instant hot cocoa?00:06:02JackYeah, it's not like real. It's not real hot chocolate. It's just the the exactly, it's the powder.00:06:04발표자That's what.00:06:09JackThat you mix with hot.00:06:10JackWarm milk or or water if you.00:06:14JackI think the water, it tastes the worst. You know, if you mix it with milk.00:06:17XochitlYeah, but if you hate yourself.00:06:19XochitlAnd drink it with water.00:06:20JackYeah, yeah. I mean, that's just it's just sugar water and it's really gross. But with milk it it's it's a little bit better. I just, I just don't like to get my calories from drinks. Usually. Yeah, unless, you know, I do, I do drink milk, but I drink it with my coffee.00:06:41JackCause I love ice lattes, so I will drink. You know, a lot of coffee with with milk.00:06:42발표자Right.00:06:50XochitlBut it's like a splash.00:06:51XochitlOf milk in your coffee. Not like.00:06:53JackOhh no, I drink like full actually I I just lied to you. I drink a lot of calories. Uh, actually if you count milk because I'll put like I'll make a really strong like 3 espresso shots and then fill up a cup with ice and then the rest is milk. It's probably it's only half a cup of milk. It's because there's so much ice.00:07:14JackDinner but.00:07:15XochitlRight.00:07:16JackI'll drink those. Like I'll drink like two or three.00:07:18JackA day because.00:07:19XochitlOK, but that but milk does have some nutritional value. You're not really getting sugar like sugar calories for that, which is something I do admire because I definitely drink a lot of my calories lately. I mean, I had a full I have like a 16 ounce coke and.00:07:36Xochitl28 oz cups of eggnogs just today, so I definitely drink my calories. I try.00:07:41발표자Yeah. Yeah. Well.00:07:42XochitlTo be more mindful that in the new.00:07:43JackYear it's so it's so easy to do and I mean I do. I do sometimes drink calories too because like I said, I I drink, I drink milk and.00:07:56JackAnd but I you know I.00:07:57JackDrink diet soda sometimes. So that's, you know, got its own problems related to it so.00:08:06JackI'm I'm by no means like Mr. healthy.00:08:09JackOver here on my high horse, you know?00:08:12XochitlYou know, I as I've gotten older, I have come around to eggnog, so it's not the horrible choice I would have vilified you for before, but I don't like the like the Holly nod. Like I don't like the brand that you're talking about. It tastes. There's, like, a really strong nutmeg flavor to that brand that's like overpowering.00:08:32XochitlAnd it's like too thick and too sweet.00:08:35XochitlAnd and I like when I was younger, I used to prefer silk, not like the the the I guess vegan option that was made with soy milk because it was thinner.00:08:51XochitlAnd it wasn't so thick. It was like a texture thing, and it had less of a really intense, like eggy and not Maggie type of flavor. So I put, I would ask my parents to purchase some milk. Not is what I would drink. I would not drink the regular eggnog because it was.00:08:59JackOK.00:09:06XochitlNasty because.00:09:06XochitlIt was like thick and.00:09:08XochitlMy sister really loved.00:09:10XochitlEggnog and I just was never a fan.00:09:13XochitlAnd in recent.00:09:14XochitlYears I've actually come around to it. Only specific brands I like. There's a brand here in Iowa called Kelowna, Supernatural, and it's like an organic, I guess, milk, but it's like the eggnog is pretty thin and it has like cinnamon and stuff in it.00:09:34XochitlAnd it's it's very kind of like thin. It's so creamy, but it doesn't have that custardy like flavor or thickness.00:09:40JackYeah, it's almost comfy.00:09:43JackThen it comes up, yeah.00:09:44XochitlYeah, it's not like clumpy or like thick. So I really enjoyed that actually. And I've come around to it. But that being said, I do prefer hot chocolate and that's because I don't drink the little sweet.00:09:59XochitlPackets. I always bring chocolate from Mexico and.00:10:03XochitlYou dissolve that.00:10:04XochitlAnd milk.00:10:06XochitlAnd drink it. And I like to add some marshmallows in the bottom of the cup and then put like, some whipped cream on top and go to town on that.00:10:15JackYou just make real hot real hot chocolate. Like the way it's supposed to be made you mix. You put real chocolate in with milk and and then you can add the the sugar. You don't even have to add that much sugar, probably because the marshmallows are sweetening it up.00:10:31JackEnough. Yeah, I don't add.00:10:33XochitlAny sugar actually? Because it's like dark chocolate. But it is sweetened some.00:10:37JackOh, OK, so it's sweet and dark chocolate. OK. Yeah, that sounds really nice. That sounds wonderful. Yeah.00:10:43XochitlYeah. And the Mexican one had it comes with like cinnamon and some other like spices in it incorporated into it.00:10:52발표자OK.00:10:52XochitlSo yeah, it has a really rich, nutty flavor, cause it's like the actual cocoa beans that have been like, crushed and processed. Yeah. So it's tasty.00:11:04JackI mean, I would be OK with either option to be honest, but The thing is, I haven't had eggnog for.00:11:10JackProbably 20 years, so I just miss it. You know, they don't sell it where I live. Here. I live in Korea so that we don't have eggnog here. You have to make your own and.00:11:22JackI don't know. I'm too lazy to do that so.00:11:25JackI think just buying Holly Nog in America would be would be kind of nice just one time.00:11:33XochitlYeah. And it's so special because it's like you can only really have it around the like very specific like from November to December maybe or like November to the very beginning of like the end of November to the very beginning of January is when you can find eggnog on the shelves and.00:11:50XochitlYou kind of get like a a month and maybe a couple of weeks like six weeks of eggnog time at at the Max. And then it's just completely gone off the shelves and you can't buy it anywhere. So.00:12:03JackYou can go to McDonald's and you can.00:12:04JackGet an eggnog shake, which are amazing those are.00:12:08XochitlIs that a real?00:12:09XochitlThing I've never had that before.00:12:10JackYes, yes, they have the Shamrock shake, which is around Saint Patrick's Day, which is.00:12:16JackMint and then they have the around the holiday season, they've got the eggnog shake.00:12:24XochitlI may have to try that. I'm sure it's going to be like 1000.00:12:27XochitlCalories in.00:12:27XochitlOne I got I have.00:12:27JackOhh yeah, it's a.00:12:29XochitlTo give it a try though now.00:12:30JackYou gotta try it though.00:12:31XochitlThat you've talked about it. Gotta try it. Alright, Jack. Now what about Christmas? Ham or Christmas Turkey? Which do you prefer? And which did you grow up with? I'm curious as well.00:12:44JackBoth we've we've done turkeys and we've done hams.00:12:48JackUMI think maybe we did more turkeys than hams. If I'm not mistaken, but I'll take a Christmas ham any day of the week like over a A Christmas Turkey. You.00:12:59XochitlKnow Turkey is.00:13:00JackNice on Thanksgiving, but it's very dry. It's kind of, it's a dry meat. It's not like it's not necessarily.00:13:09JackThe most delicious bird meat or poultry that you can that you can eat. I I love it but I eat it for nostalgic purposes but a ham. Ohh man. A really nice ham is is so good like ohh man. Couple slices of ham with some potatoes and.00:13:29JackYeah, it's just a beautiful.00:13:33JackMeal. Yeah, I I miss. I missed the Christmas ham, to be honest.00:13:38JackWhat about you?00:13:39XochitlYou know.00:13:41XochitlIf I could choose anything, I would choose Doc. I think to make on Christmas, but that wasn't one of the.00:13:46JackOh yeah. OK.00:13:48XochitlOptions so I will go.00:13:50XochitlWith ham as well, I think Turkey, it's just pretty bland. The only time I had really good Turkey was my grandpa, and I think my cousin like made a recipe together.00:14:02XochitlThere where it was like Turkey Al Pastor, which is like a Mexican Taco kind of seasoning, but not like what you would typically think of as Taco seasoning in the Midwest as like chipotles and like some other dried chilies and adobo, like, mixed in a spice.00:14:22XochitlMix and then.00:14:23XochitlRubbed on the Turkey and it was really good. It made the Turkey super super flavorful.00:14:31XochitlBut besides that, I've just never been a huge tricky fan. I'm OK with the leg as well, like I prefer the leg over the breast or anything, but I just. I'm not a Turkey fan. I mean, as you said, go ahead.00:14:42JackYeah. No, I'm sorry. It was just, it's easy to make it to. It's easy to dry out the Turkey if you if it's cooked properly, where people aren't adding water, basting it, you know, a couple sticks of butter, you know, all over it, you know, it can really make it.00:15:00JackMake it delicious.00:15:01JackThis so it it depends on how it's prepared I think.00:15:06XochitlYeah, I mean, I've definitely had it. The most delicious Turkey, and it still wasn't it just it's harder to make that delicious and like it if you just put a ham in there, you know, rub some spices or some hot honey on it or something and stick it in the oven, you know, it's gonna come out good.00:15:23JackAnd it even just even just it just bakes in its own fat.00:15:28XochitlYeah. And it comes out like good every time pretty much it's just lots of a hassle. I I just.00:15:30JackYeah, right.00:15:33XochitlPrefer it to cooking the Turkey so you know.00:15:40XochitlI I am also a a ham fan. What about?00:15:45XochitlCandy canes or chocolate oranges. Now, candy canes uh for viewers who are unfamiliar are these little.00:15:53XochitlCane shaped candies that are white and red, and they have a strong peppermint flavor. A very strong peppermint flavor, and then the chocolate orange is very popular here in the US and it's just a chocolate shaped like an orange. It even has little wedges that come out of its.00:16:13XochitlWhole and it's just kind of orange flavored, but it does have like an artificial orange flavoring in my opinion.00:16:21JackYeah, I mean the, the, the when it.00:16:24JackComes to like eating.00:16:26JackI'd probably rather eat the chocolate orange.00:16:29JackThen the candy cane.00:16:31JackBut if you're if you're talking about aesthetics, you know, like like the the look of it like I'd rather have a Christmas with candy canes and no chocolate orange.00:16:42JackIs if that makes sense, because we used to decorate our tree with candy canes and we put them on the tree and then you could, you know, if you're, like, need a mint or something and you're, you know, you could take one and break off a.00:16:57JackPiece but to eat?00:16:58JackA whole candy cane is is.00:17:01XochitlKind of overwhelming.00:17:02JackYeah, it's too much mint. It's it's not good.00:17:09XochitlI kind of only like could glean in white ones. They're they come in different colors and the green and white ones have the like experiment flavor. Have you had those?00:17:16JackYeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, they have fruity ones they have.00:17:18XochitlLittle different.00:17:20JackAll kinds of different.00:17:21XochitlThey have bubble gum flavored ones. I do like those, actually bubble gum ones and the lemon ones like the lemon ones that are. But yeah, I think the aesthetics are very Christmas thing. The red and white are the green and white are the red and green and white candy canes. But.00:17:40XochitlI even though.00:17:42XochitlI don't really like the chocolate orange because.00:17:44XochitlIt's it's kind of artificial tasting, I think I'd still rather eat it just because the candy cane gets so overwhelming after a while.00:17:52JackYeah, yeah. I'm not gonna do the.00:17:54JackCandy cane. Take my I don't.00:17:57JackThink my teeth could handle it anymore, you know?00:18:00XochitlIt's like burning your mouth too, and it's.00:18:03XochitlYeah, I don't know.00:18:03JackSugar. It's just eat. You're just eating a.00:18:05JackSugar like if I'm.00:18:07JackGonna eat that much sugar? I want to enjoy what I'm eating. Like. I don't want to. I'm not going to just open a bag of sugar and start, you know, taking spoons of sugar. I'm gonna eat something decadent. You know something? You naughty a dessert.00:18:24JackThat I really enjoy, and so I wouldn't, I just wouldn't waste the calories on a candy cane, but a piece of chocolate, like one slice.00:18:32JackOf chocolate orange. I kind of like that. It's it's. It's like an interesting flavor. Like you said that you you said use the expression flavor profile and it's got like orange zest in it, but it's also chocolate. I don't mind that. I wouldn't be able to eat the whole thing obviously, but one slice of it would be.00:18:52JackYou know, kind of perfect.00:18:54XochitlRight.00:18:55XochitlYeah, for sure. How about Christmas cookies or gingerbread man? Now, Christmas cookies are like a sugar cookie with a sugar icing. It's literally just like cream or water and powdered sugar and food coloring that we put on top of Christmas cookies. And the base is just kind of like a vanilla butter sugar.00:19:17XochitlCookie base and then gingerbread men have a gingerbread base. Which are it has ginger as one of the seasonings and then it.00:19:28XochitlHas like treacle or molasses, so like a thick dark sugar as another seasoning and it has a much more spicy.00:19:39XochitlKind of flavor. It's heavily spiced.00:19:42XochitlYeah, yeah. Which do you prefer?00:19:45JackYou know, I don't mind gingerbread. I mean, I like it. I I can eat that. I think it tastes interesting, but.00:19:55Jack100% give me a Christmas cookie any day. Any day like I I would love. I love Christmas cookies, especially one shaped like a tree.00:20:04JackOr Santa Claus.00:20:06JackOr a star.00:20:08JackUM, you?00:20:10JackKnow those are I I love Christmas cookies. I I like them for the nostalgic purposes and I like the way they taste too. So.00:20:22JackThat's my choice. What about you?00:20:24XochitlYeah, I.00:20:25XochitlI would also.00:20:26XochitlPick Christmas cookie just because like you said, Gingerbread. You know, it's interesting. I could. I could.00:20:32XochitlOne and I would enjoy it, but I think Christmas cookies are just they can be too sweet. Which is why when I make my own, I prefer to just do like an outline of icing instead of covering the whole cookie and a sheet of icing. But it's just one of those delights that you could just.00:20:53XochitlYou could eat.00:20:53XochitlFive in a row easily and not real.00:20:56JackOhh yeah yeah yeah, I.00:20:59JackI I I indulge.00:21:02JackThat's why we don't. I don't have. I don't. We don't. We don't make them here around.00:21:08XochitlCan't have them in your house? Yeah, usually.00:21:09JackNo, no, no, no, I can't. I can't. It's. But it's such when my mom used to.00:21:13JackMake them she would make like.00:21:14Jack100 You know I.00:21:15JackMean they were. They were everywhere they were.00:21:19JackYou you every time I walk past the kitchen, I I'd grab one or two.00:21:24JackAnd head down to watch TV and that's why they call it the holiday 15 or whatever you gain. Like, I guess that's not no, that's the freshman 15. Sorry, I'm using that holiday 5 is what it's called.00:21:35XochitlShipping the holiday five, I think maybe.00:21:40JackThe 5 lbs.00:21:40XochitlYeah, nowadays it.00:21:41XochitlDoes feel like it could be more like 15?00:21:44JackWell, it used to be 15 for me probably, but.00:21:46JackYeah, I mean.00:21:47JackI would I always gained a ton of weight around the holiday season because I just ate whatever I wanted and there were. It was. Everything was around. You know, there's just every corner you turn. There's some new treats that my my mom was preparing Christmas cookies.00:22:03JackChocolate covered cherries, almond bark.00:22:07JackI mean, how are you? What?00:22:09JackAre you going to do is say no to?00:22:10JackThat I mean it's.00:22:12XochitlYeah, just especially as a kid. There's, like, so many treats. I remember one time I was at like my.00:22:19XochitlDad's like.00:22:22XochitlDepartments Christmas parties. My dad is a professor, and I remember I grabbed like another cookie I already had, like two or three, and then one of the other professors.00:22:32XochitlHe was like watching his children kind of, and he said.00:22:38XochitlHow many have?00:22:39XochitlYou had and I said one.00:22:40XochitlAnd he was like, oh, that's the well that.00:22:42XochitlHe's like well.00:22:42XochitlThe perfect answer is 2 because no one will tell you that you can't have another one. And I said, well, the perfect answer is one because.00:22:47XochitlThen I can have two more, not just.00:22:49XochitlOne and I have. Yeah, I have lied and said only had one already, but I already have three. I'm.00:22:56XochitlIt's just such a kid.00:22:57XochitlBecause there's just like, there's literally mountains of different desserts, like holiday cookies and brownies and.00:23:04JackWhy was that guy? What was he the?00:23:06JackCookie please or something.00:23:07XochitlThat's kind of why he was like, I don't know what, why he was on my **** about this, but he was kind of messing with all the kids in the same way. But it was kind of annoying. I was like, bro, you didn't even bring these my laughs as many as I want.00:23:20JackYeah, yeah. I don't like that at all. I don't like that. That's like a form of shaming, shaming stuff. Yeah, yeah.00:23:26XochitlYeah, for sure it was.00:23:29JackElse you like to do that to kids and I.00:23:33JackI never understood.00:23:34JackWhat? Why they do that? It's it's really annoying.00:23:38XochitlRight. What the power trip is about. I mean, kids are there to enjoy the holidays.00:23:43XochitlThey don't, really.00:23:43XochitlHave to worry about calories the same way we.00:23:45XochitlDo either they're like.00:23:46XochitlRunning around burning that off pretty much constantly, yeah.00:23:49JackSure. Of course, of course.00:23:52XochitlYeah, and yeah, it's just it's such a joyous experience because really there's like mountains of brownies, mountains of.00:24:01XochitlDifferent types of cookies? Cake. Ohh yeah fudge. There's like the least popular desserts which are like, you know, bourbon cake, fruit cake, bread.00:24:04JackOhh fudge my mom used.00:24:05JackTo make comments too.00:24:18XochitlPudding with raisins in it.00:24:21JackYeah, yeah.00:24:22XochitlThings like that. Yeah. And then there's like.00:24:24XochitlThe ones that are kind of like sugary snacks like candy covered pretzels or chocolate covered strawberries, or you know, whatever.00:24:33XochitlBut yeah, there's just such an assortment of different snacks, and I think it's just such a great time, great time to be a.00:24:39XochitlKid, because you're like so.00:24:42XochitlAwestruck by all of this delicious food, and you don't even you're not worried because you didn't have to bring anything to the party. That was your parents job.00:24:47JackYeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.00:24:50XochitlSo you're just enjoying it.00:24:55JackIs is the best part of it? I mean, usually those those kinds of holiday parties, nobody cares. Everyone's the adults are are getting drunk and you know, they're drinking. They're drinking a different kind of eggnog, you know, eggnog with some bourbon or. Yeah.00:25:13JackAlcohol in it, which I always thought was disgusting. I tried that when I was an adult. I I drank the alcoholic eggnog and I was like, why would you?00:25:23JackEver ruin eggnog with alcohol?00:25:27발표자You should have.00:25:28XochitlThe one in Mexico's called Rompope and it's like it's much tastier than the eggnog spiked with alcohol here in the US. It's like it's it's thinner and it has, like, more different spices in it. And it's really in the kind of vanilla flavored and it's very tasty. It tastes like a Bay leaves Irish but like.00:25:46JackOhh OK then I could get on board probably.00:25:49XochitlYeah, it's.00:25:50XochitlGood. Yeah, but the one here, it's like the texture is kind of wrong for for like the alcohol as well. It like makes it thick and it's already thick. And then it's just like thick and burning your throat at the same time.00:25:51JackOK.00:26:02JackYeah, it's just. Well, it just.00:26:04JackHas a horrible after taste. It's just like, Oh no thanks.00:26:07XochitlYeah, yeah. What did I drink for sure? Alright. Which brings us to our next talking point. Terrible Christmas traditions. Jeff, what is something you think is a terrible Christmas tradition?00:26:21JackMy terrible Christmas traditions. Alright, well, let's see here. I think one terrible Christmas tradition is.00:26:31JackLike caroling is annoying, right? Like.00:26:36JackIf you're participating in caroling, you're you have to go outside in the freezing cold weather and then you're going to people's houses and singing.00:26:47JackUh to them. But they didn't ask for it, so it's unsolicited singing.00:26:57XochitlAnd they're kind of interrupting your, like, holiday time.00:27:00JackYeah, you're eating dinner or something, and then it's like, oh, hey, Carol, the carolers are here, and then we all have to run out and pretend that we enjoy that they came by, but we're just, like, really hoping they'll leave really soon. And, you know, it's just, it's like, and the carolers are so excited and they think that everybody loves it.00:27:20JackAnd it's like, you know, it's like when you're.00:27:22JackWhen your toddler.00:27:24JackGives you a a artwork from kindergarten or whatever and.00:27:29JackYou like. Look, look what?00:27:30JackI made you know, and you have to be, like, pretend that it's the most amazing painting ever painted of.00:27:38JackA horse or.00:27:39JackWhatever and and, but really, you know it's, you know, it's not genuine.00:27:45JackI I don't know. I mean maybe.00:27:46JackSome people enjoy it, they like genuinely enjoy caroling. I just frankly think it's more of like a movie thing. It's like.00:27:55XochitlA performance thing to like? Uh.00:27:58XochitlLike we have.00:27:59XochitlFor full term, it's just like a a tradition that people perform it even if they don't want to. Kind of.00:28:07JackWell, you know the the the thing that.00:28:09JackMy problem with it again is just the intrusion, like going to people's houses and doing it. I kind of like like maybe.00:28:17JackIf you go to.00:28:18JackA performance like if you go to a church service or something like that and then there's a choir singing some of the Christmas songs.00:28:27JackThen I I'm like, that's great. I that's what I signed up.00:28:27XochitlRight.00:28:30JackFour, but.00:28:31XochitlOr, if you're like, if Carol, you know.00:28:33XochitlI think it'd be better if, like the Carroll Group, like went downtown or something, and they were just like downtown kind of busking like, because if you're in the downtown area or whatever, then you would expect to see stuff like that on Christmas and.00:28:45XochitlIt kind of.00:28:45JackI don't mind that either.00:28:46JackI don't mind public, public singing around the the holiday season. I'm not a total Scrooge. I'm not like a Bahama bug. I just think it's like the personal intrusion, like I'm in the middle of die hard, you know, it's like a really cool part coming up and then I hear these people singing outside. I can't be rude and ignore them.00:28:52XochitlRight.00:29:06JackBut I have to humor them, but I don't really appreciate it as much as they think that I appreciate it so.00:29:13JackYou know, you know who appreciates the carolers, our elderly people.00:29:18JackThey just love.00:29:18XochitlThat's true.00:29:18JackThat stuff. So they should just go to elderly people's houses and just put a.00:29:23JackSmile on on.00:29:24XochitlOr like Elder like.00:29:26XochitlThey should go to nursing homes. And just like saying I that would be like the most appreciating.00:29:28JackYes, go to nursing homes. That's what they they love that don't. Don't.00:29:33JackCarol on my.00:29:34JackSt. No one, no one cares. Hey.00:29:36XochitlYeah, get off my freaking St. we're like.00:29:38발표자Get out of get.00:29:39JackOff my yard and shake my cane at them.00:29:41XochitlYeah, you know, I I I'm not a fan of carolers either. I I the interruption, you know, I think would be a really funny comedy sketch is if you're like, in there arguing with your family and Carol or, like, knock on the door and you have to, like, open the door and like, stop. Yeah, you have to, like, stop for through it.00:29:56JackWhat? What do you want?00:30:01JackHack the horse with balls of Holly. Shut up.00:30:05XochitlYou hear like glass breaking in the.00:30:07XochitlBackground people like this fighting.00:30:07JackYeah, yeah.00:30:09XochitlI mean, yeah, the intrusion aspect is something that's hard, especially because I think American culture is very individualistic and we don't like, have community in the same way that other cultures do. And I think we.00:30:24XochitlI I mean, I'm not ********.00:30:25XochitlOn your perspective, I have the same.00:30:26XochitlPerspective as you I don't want anyone like knocking on my door.00:30:29XochitlI probably won't answer and.00:30:34XochitlWe don't like, we don't really have that kind of of community aspect and it does feel like an intrusion and you have to suffer through this and then oftentimes part of the tradition is like, you have to offer them like hot chocolate or something to drink.00:30:50JackYeah, right. Yeah, some some piggy pudding, yeah.00:30:51XochitlAnd then I'll standing around.00:30:54JackAnd I'm.00:30:55발표자Like I don't even.00:30:55JackKnow what figgy pudding is? I'm sorry. Like I've never seen it. I've never had it before.00:31:03JackI couldn't pick a fig out of a police lineup. Probably so.00:31:11JackYeah, get off my lawn, you carolers.00:31:14JackWhat else is?00:31:14JackThere. What? What's another like horrible Christmas tradition?00:31:14XochitlYeah, that is.00:31:18JackI I I. I'll. I'll.00:31:19발표자Right.00:31:20JackGive you an example, I have one. I think that you would agree with is like I think this like this idea of parents that just go way.00:31:28JackOver the top.00:31:28JackWith presents is just is getting out of hand like.00:31:33JackYou know.00:31:36JackIt's like keeping up.00:31:38JackWith The Smiths, we say, right, that expression or.00:31:41XochitlLike keeping up with the Joneses, you mean?00:31:43JackAs Joe Jones.00:31:44JackIs sorry not The Smiths. I'm thinking of something else. Maybe I'm thinking of the movie. Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Yeah. Keeping up with the Joneses. That's what I meant to say. It's the the idea that you have to, like, match what your neighbor's doing and do a little bit better. Just, just just to prove to everyone watching how.00:31:49XochitlYou probably are.00:32:04JackHow well you're doing, you know, as far as like, financial?00:32:08JackReally being financially successful and so you know, I got my kids, an Xbox and new, you know, video game, PlayStation and Ohh well then I got mine, the newer one and you know.00:32:23JackThere's there's one up 11.00:32:25JackUpsmanship, I don't. I don't like it.00:32:29JackI I feel like the Christmas has just become and this has been for a long time, way too consumer based, you know, it's just it's all about consumerism. How much can we consume and and stuff that will be in a closet two months from now.00:32:47JackNo, just collecting dust. Just jump.00:32:51JackAnd I that that's.00:32:53JackThat's one aspect of of Christmas that I really I I don't know. I I just, it's it's really gotten out of out of control I think. So I I don't like that aspect of of the of the Christmas. I I want I want to get back to to a more.00:33:13JackTraditional approach to it, which is the the family time it's, you know, a time to not work a time to decompress, spend time with family and really make connections. And like what you said, you're always about the experience presence.00:33:31JackWhy not do something like that, like go skiing or do something as a family and use the money to like do something instead of just buy something. Just always buying dumb stuff.00:33:44JackPlastic garbage that's gonna end up in the middle of the ocean. A year and a half from now, you know.00:33:51XochitlRight.00:33:52JackYeah, that's my. I'm on my I'm on my soapbox this morning.00:33:56XochitlI you know, I agree. I agree. Because as you know, I'm a huge proponent of the experience gift. I think experience is there's so much more valuable to us than.00:34:08XochitlAnd item like actually getting physical material goods and those memories are something you get to keep forever and in its value only increases with time. Looking back and with the junk you get on Christmas, it's like, OK, well, I'm 30 years, it's going to be any good or.00:34:28XochitlIn you know in 20 in just five years now with with planned OPS leases is probably going to.00:34:33XochitlBe in the trash.00:34:34JackI have a Nintendo Wii. It's just collecting dust.00:34:38XochitlYep, we gotta pee.00:34:38JackNo. Yeah.00:34:39XochitlAs well, it also collects stuff. We gotta wee for Christmas one.00:34:42XochitlYear it's collecting dust. We barely we we didn't play it that much to be honest. At the time there weren't that many games for it in the US and like I don't know, I just there's I think.00:35:00XochitlIf I ever have kids, I would like to include them on what would they like to have for Christmas? What would they like to do? You know, if they want some juncture, maybe they can have some junk, but like, wouldn't you rather travel or would you rather go on a ski trip or would you rather?00:35:21XochitlGo. You know, do something else and and spend that time together and that money more wisely.00:35:30XochitlThen yeah, they're buying a bunch of junk. I actually haven't gotten presents for anyone this year, and I and I don't want presents from anyone either. I have enough stuff. I just don't want more stuff. I mean, there's.00:35:43XochitlA couple things.00:35:44XochitlThat people in my life like can need that I'm like oh.00:35:46XochitlYeah, I'll get them that.00:35:48XochitlBut like.00:35:51XochitlIf I already have enough things, I don't want more clothes. I don't want like physical items, especially in someone who travels so much it just clutters up your space and.00:36:02XochitlI don't have like the.00:36:04XochitlThe space to be storing perpetually, storing tons and tons of clothing items. So.00:36:09JackRight.00:36:11JackAnd I find that I I wear the same.00:36:15JackThing over and over again anyway, like the the of of my clothing choices.00:36:20JackI there's a very narrow scope of what I will wear anyway.00:36:24JackI I mean, I I spent a lot of my time.00:36:26XochitlRight.00:36:28JackJust at home wearing like Adidas, an Adidas tracksuit, you know it's like.00:36:33XochitlRight.00:36:34JackIf I'd have.00:36:34JackKnown. That's all I'd like. I would have just bought like 5 track suits in every color of the rainbow. And that's that's all I'm going to wear.00:36:41XochitlRight.00:36:45JackUM.00:36:46JackYeah, it's very strange. Why? How we collect stuff that we think we need and then you start to look, go through your stuff and you're like, wow, I I I don't need any of this stuff. I just.00:36:59JackSo I I'm.00:37:01JackI think the consumerism is 1. You know terrible aspect of.00:37:06JackChristmas, the the and you know.00:37:08JackIt's been like that for.00:37:11JackI don't know, 50 years, probably, maybe longer, but it's. But it just seems to get more out of control every every decade. You know, it just gets ridiculous.00:37:23JackUM.00:37:24JackAnd yeah, the other one was, I guess I was, I'm really anti caroling, although compared to consumerism. I'll I'll take caroling over consumerism.00:37:37XochitlAny day I for me, I guess mine are.00:37:43XochitlMy tradition that I really don't like is in Mexico. There's something called Christmas like salad. I don't know why it's called this. It's a soup, not a salad to begin with. And it's.00:37:56XochitlIt's cold, sweet beet juice.00:38:01XochitlAnd that's like the base for the soup. So like bright red and inside it has like chunks of.00:38:09XochitlFruit like apples, oranges, jicama and then it has.00:38:15XochitlLike candied peanuts floating in it too.00:38:19JackWell, why not at this point?00:38:21XochitlYeah, right. And a couple of.00:38:23JackWhen it's not there, yeah.00:38:25XochitlYeah, a couple other things I don't remember. And and I've just hated it ever since I was a child. I don't think there'll ever be a time where my taste buds will actually like this. And my mom makes a big old pot of it every year. When I was a kid, she would force me to eat a certain amount of it, and I would.00:38:43XochitlIt would be so hard not to barf because it was just the, you know, beat. Jews just doesn't work. It's like.00:38:49JackYou lost me. You lost me at beach juice. To be honest. Like after that. It didn't matter. What was it? It you could be gold bar gold bullion in there. And I don't care after.00:39:00XochitlThat's how I felt. I did not want especially sweet beet juice as like a base it.00:39:05XochitlWas just it's so.00:39:06XochitlBad and and I've never liked this, and my father actually really likes it for some bizarre reason.00:39:12JackYeah. Dad's always like that weird have strange palettes like, yeah.00:39:18XochitlYeah, they have weird *****, but weird that taste buds for sure but.00:39:24XochitlI just.00:39:26XochitlThat's probably the worst tradition I can think of is.00:39:30XochitlIs that and then another I'll I'll add in a little another one here and the last one for me. I think it's having to see family that you don't want to see. And I think this is changing with each generation and my generation does this less now.00:39:47XochitlBut just the idea of how packing your kids up and forcing them to go see Grandma and Grandpa or you know, and it's kind of a time we have such little time off these days, so little vacation time and.00:40:03XochitlIt just feels like it'd be so great to be able to spend that time decompressing or traveling or doing something that you want to do, and instead we spend it seeing family that we sometimes don't even want to see.00:40:18XochitlYeah, for real and family, that doesn't necessarily see eye to eye with us or doesn't respect us.00:40:28XochitlIt can be demoralizing to have to spend that little time off seeing people that you don't want to see.00:40:34XochitlIn the first place.00:40:36JackYeah. No, that's that's a good point. You know, I don't have that problem. I live in South.00:40:40JackKorea all.00:40:40JackFamily live in America, so I I never see them, but I know that several of them will not speak to me because of our political differences. And so, you know, it would be.00:40:55JackVery awkward to try.00:40:56JackAnd a have a a a Christmas holiday get together because I know that, you know eventually.00:41:06JackThe conversation will go to politics and I'll express my opinions and they'll, you know, denounce them as.00:41:17JackEvil and it'll be he'll turn into a huge a huge fight, a huge argument. So yeah, it's it's funny how families are kind of split right now over the very.00:41:33JackIn English, we say polarized political landscape in America.00:41:40JackAnd so I I yeah, I I I think you're right like why, why put yourself through that it's like.00:41:48JackBe because it's a tradition.00:41:50JackIt's like, well, that's a dumb reason to do something you don't want.00:41:54JackTo do you know.00:41:56JackIt's just out of tradition. It's like, well, make a new tradition.00:42:01JackAll right, my new tradition is not putting myself through that painful experience and uh, going on a ski vacation with my, you know, best friend or something. Whatever. You know, there's, there's, I, I think we get, we get stuck in these these ideas like you.00:42:18JackWe have to do it.00:42:20JackBut why?00:42:22XochitlRight.00:42:23JackIt's not making anyone happy. That's the and the whole point of it is to be joyful and and happy holidays. But if if you, if you're not, if you don't want to be around certain family members, why put yourself in that situation so?00:42:39JackYeah, it's it's a. It's an interesting thing. I I think like you said, I think younger generations are starting to go. You know what? I get very little time off. I'm not even going to go home for Christmas. I'm going to spend it with my friends or with my boyfriend, my girlfriend, or whatever. My significant other. We're going to make our own traditions and.00:42:59JackThe heck with the all all the the.00:43:02JackOld traditions from the 1980s or the 1990s.00:43:06JackWhen we don't have to do that anymore and I respect people to do that, I I like that.00:43:13XochitlYeah. So Jack's moving on.00:43:20XochitlI have some other gifts or that type questions.00:43:24JackNow, yeah, OK.00:43:26XochitlWhich do you prefer? The Grinch movie?00:43:29XochitlThe Grinch cartoon or the new animated Grinch movie, I would guess which of all the Grinch series or movies do you prefer?00:43:39JackOK, so I.00:43:40JackSaw the 1969 one. I think it's I I can't remember what year it was, but it's the old Grinch cartoon. It's about 1/2 an hour long. It's about 30 minutes.00:43:50JackOr 25 minutes long. Then there's the Grinch movie with Jim Carrey, which is a full feature length movie, and it's a live, you know, live action movie of The Grinch. And then they also recently released a kind of Pixar. I don't know if it was Pixar, but like.00:44:09JackThe CG animated Grinch movie.00:44:12XochitlYep, I saw that.00:44:14JackOK. And I never, I haven't seen that one because.00:44:17XochitlIt's not part of it. I've turned it off after a while. I didn't like it.00:44:20JackYeah, it looked boring to me and it was like I I think the perfect length for the Grinch story is about 20 minutes or 25 minutes, which and so the Grinch cartoon, I love the animation. It's very loyal to the book, Doctor Seuss's animated style.00:44:39JackIt's it's got a great message. It's funny. It's got really good music. It's got the whole thing. So, and it's also creepy.00:44:49JackAnd my my.00:44:50JackDaughter used to be very scared of.00:44:52JackThe Grinch from that cartoon.00:44:55JackBecause he does look very creepy.00:44:58XochitlHe doesn't.00:44:58JackThat's not as creepy as.00:45:00JackThe Jim Carrey one that's even worse.00:45:03XochitlRight. The one slur like is the one that got me for Doctor Seuss. I had a dream that the one slur was choking me when I was about like 8 years old. And after that, I never wanted to. I never wanted to read The Lorax again, which is another famous Doctor Seuss story. And I I love The Lorax. Prior to that, I would force my.00:45:23XochitlI would force anyone who would offer to read to me to read me The Lorax as a child.00:45:29JackYes. Again, conservation story, a story of conservation and and you know a great message, but done in a in a super creative way that's this amazing.00:45:41XochitlYeah, a very, very creative and fun way.00:45:44JackYeah, they they tried to make that into a movie recently too, and it didn't really work again. Like it, it doesn't quite do it.00:45:53XochitlYeah, it's like they.00:45:54XochitlKind of messing it up. It just doesn't work the same.00:45:59XochitlYeah, I I actually am going to go a little against the grain and say my favorite of all the Grinch.00:46:06XochitlRemastering stations or whatever, it's just the original story.00:46:10XochitlI just. Nothing beats.00:46:13XochitlYou know, as a kid sitting in, you know, your parents laugh or whatever, having them read you, the Grinch, and just following along with the illustrations, the original illustrations, which are very well done, and you kind of imagine all the different foods they talk about and.00:46:30XochitlWell, you know and and the Grinch and what he's like. And it just like, nothing beats how vivid A child's imagination is. And I think that that's something really special. So I think for me personally, I would have my kids read the story. I would read it to my kids because.00:46:46XochitlIt's just such a special.00:46:49XochitlLittle story.00:46:50JackYeah, go to the source. Yeah. I I think you're probably right. I mean, I can't argue with that. I think the Grinch cartoon from the 1960s is is the second best choice. But yeah, I think reading the story.00:47:07JackIs is the best?00:47:09JackEspecially when you're.00:47:10XochitlAnd I mean.00:47:11XochitlOhh sorry, didn't mean to yeah check.00:47:12JackWhen you're a.00:47:12JackChild I. It's the best. It's great.00:47:14XochitlYeah, for sure. I I was gonna chime in and say as an adult, I actually watched the Jim Carrey one, but they did not see it as a child. I saw it.00:47:27XochitlAnd seeing it as an adult.00:47:31XochitlIt is pretty funny, at least to me, so I did enjoy it. I mean, Jim Carrey kind of has a really physical comedy aspect, so he's kind of wacky, you know, and I think the whole concept worked pretty well with his acting and.00:47:48XochitlYeah, I got some laugh out of me seeing it as an adult. I mean as a.00:47:51XochitlKid, I think it's like.00:47:54XochitlIt's not going to be as funnier as like.00:47:59XochitlEntertaining, maybe, but.00:48:02XochitlAs a as an adult I it's kind of similar to watching ELF or something. I really enjoyed it.00:48:07JackYeah, yeah, the movie elf is probably one of the best Christmas movies of the last 20 years.00:48:14Jack25 years, yeah, yeah.00:48:14XochitlYeah, that is a great Christmas movie.00:48:17XochitlYeah. And then Speaking of the Grinch as.00:48:22XochitlOur listeners may or not.00:48:23XochitlOr may not be familiar with the Grinch's heart grew three times at Christmas, meaning that he became a much better, warmer, kinder and more empathetic person by the.00:48:35XochitlEnd of the story.00:48:37XochitlSo Jack, what makes?00:48:39XochitlYour heart grow three times during the holiday season.00:48:44JackOhh that's a good question. What makes my heart go, Teresa, I'm.00:48:49JackI'm going to go back to uh, I'm going to go back to the cartoons.00:48:55JackBecause there's one cartoon that makes my heart grow 3 sizes and you, you know this one. It's the Charlie Brown Christmas.00:49:06XochitlUh-huh. Never thought all the.00:49:07JackHave you? Oh, you've never seen the whole thing? Oh, my gosh. OK, this one is.00:49:13JackIt's got the.00:49:15JackIt's got the story and at the end when all the you know, all the kids are singing around the the little Christmas tree that Charlie Brown had bought.00:49:25JackIt was a.00:49:26JackSuch a sad tree, but they dressed it up and and made it look nice.00:49:30JackSir. And then they were all singing. I don't know. I I really love that. I think because I I watched it with my daughter when she was young. I would I I somehow downloaded it off of the Internet like 20 years ago or something and or 15 years ago. And so every Christmas, my daughter and I would watch this.00:49:52JackIt's kind of a tradition. We'd watch the Grinch. She didn't like the Grinch that scared her when she was young, but she did love the Charlie Brown Christmas, especially the music.00:50:05JackAnd and then that story always kind of gets me, you know, it always kinds of it kind of tugs at my heartstrings and so it kind of makes me my heart grow 3 sizes larger.00:50:20JackDuring the holiday season so that I I've kind of, I kind of tightened the our last section to this this last segment here. What about you, what makes your heart grow 3 sizes?00:50:33XochitlWell, I think.00:50:34XochitlThis Christmas it was. I was just in the shop with my aunt. We were getting like some last minute Christmas lights for the for the.00:50:45XochitlBush is outside because some of ours burned out and getting a couple other things we needed at Target, and I walked past these little kids, really little kids who I think were with their grandparents and kids must have been like three and four or something. And the little boy was asking.00:51:04XochitlYou know. Oh, well, you know, if we do this, how will Santa know that this one's for me? And how will Santa know? Like he's asking how Santa would know or be able to figure out.00:51:14XochitlCertain things and.00:51:17XochitlIt's so cute because you know, as an adult, we know that Santa isn't real.00:51:24XochitlAnd it, but it's like such a joy to hear.00:51:29XochitlChildren like.00:51:31XochitlCaught up in that.00:51:33XochitlKind of fantasy of Santa.00:51:37XochitlIt's just so it's so.00:51:38XochitlCute and like warm and and fuzzy.00:51:42XochitlAnd you hope that they it's almost like it's just the Christmas magic. It's just so real when you're a kid and you're, like, waiting for something to calm and you're so excited you can't even sleep. It's just like the world is such a great place when you're.00:51:58JackI know, I know that.00:52:02JackI I missed that that your eyes just wide open at midnight on or, you know, 1159 on Christmas Eve because.00:52:11JackYou're just too.00:52:11JackExcited to to go to sleep.00:52:15XochitlI wish you could bottle that.00:52:16JackAnd yet you still fall asleep. And then you wake up in the morning and you rub your eyes and you're like, and then you remember it's Christmas morning and you run to the tree. I mean, how great is that? That is the greatest.00:52:30JackThat memory also makes my heart grow 33 sizes, just remembering what it's like to be a kid and then remembering what it was like for my daughter to wake up on Christmas and trying to give that to her. That was.00:52:42XochitlHow did your daughter find out Santa wasn't real?00:52:45JackUh, my wife said that. I just.00:52:46JackTold her one.00:52:47JackDay and uh, I don't remember doing that, but I probably did. I.00:52:50XochitlI have to.00:52:51XochitlBe brutal.00:52:52JackI know, I just. I just said like, Oh yeah, he's not real.00:52:57발표자Yeah, I don't.00:52:58JackKnow I don't know.00:52:59JackWhy I did that? I.00:53:00JackThink I felt like she was.00:53:01JackOld enough to where it was like.00:53:03JackYou know the the the mystery is, is gone. Now it's, you know.00:53:09XochitlHow old do you think she was?00:53:12XochitlWhen that happened?00:53:14JackAccording to my wife, she was probably.00:53:17Jack9 or 10 but I how about think? Maybe she was like 11 or something. Me a little bit older, you know, in in elementary school it wasn't like she was four or five. And I just, you know, ruined.00:53:24XochitlRight.00:53:29XochitlRight. Ruined the match.00:53:30JackIt for.00:53:30JackHer it was getting close to the time where you start to, you know, they start to hear rumors and innuendo around the.00:53:38JackThe school that uh, Santa may not be real.00:53:41JackSo I just kind.00:53:42발표자Right.00:53:43JackOf told her. Yeah, it's not real.00:53:45XochitlYou wanted her to hear it from.00:53:47JackYou. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want her to know that I was the one that stayed up till 2:30 in the morning trying to put the, the, the, the kitchen set together. It was very difficult. I was like, sweating. And it took you needed.00:54:05JackAll these crazy tools to and it would.00:54:07JackWeigh a ton.00:54:08JackAnd you know, it's like a A A.00:54:11JackFake kitchen kitchenette.00:54:12JackYou know, area with a refrigerator and all this stuff.00:54:16JackAnd ohh man.00:54:18JackThose days, building those toys, I I do not miss that at all.00:54:25XochitlRight. Yeah. Well, that's wild. I don't know how. I think my dad also just told me.00:54:29XochitlSaying I wasn't real.00:54:30XochitlI was like, I was like ohh. I was like 13 though. But it's not that I didn't think Santa wasn't real already. It was like my sister was older than me and she kept pretending Santa is real so she could keep writing her list to Santa and just like, have my.00:54:44XochitlParents give her presents and. Yeah, and so she.00:54:47JackShe's smart.00:54:52XochitlWas like keep writing your list to Santa and so then we just kept doing that. My dad I think was fed up with us doing that. So he just told that Santa wasn't real. I was like 12 or I must been 12 or 13.00:55:00XochitlAnd she was like, 15 or 16/12/15?00:55:03JackHe's like, what do you?00:55:03JackWant just tell me what you want.00:55:06XochitlGrow up or whatever, but even.00:55:10XochitlWhen I was like 10 or 11, I think I still believed in Santa because.00:55:18XochitlI remember asking Santa Claus for an older brother because I was tired of my sister picking on me and I was like, you know, if I.00:55:23XochitlHad an older sibling, I bet that would fix it.00:55:26XochitlThen have someone to pick on.00:55:28XochitlHer. So that was my thinking and.00:55:32XochitlI think it was like probably 10 or so, and I thought of that genius plan.00:55:35JackYour dad said like I can't deliver.00:55:37JackThis one. So yeah, sorry.00:55:40XochitlYeah, younger sibling, maybe older siblings and out of the question.00:55:42발표자And it's not, yeah.00:55:43JackYeah, yeah, younger might be possible, but older.00:55:46JackWe're not adopting a A.00:55:50JackA kid, yeah.00:55:51XochitlRight. Adopting a child. So yeah, that.00:55:53XochitlWas all the question.00:55:55XochitlAll right, listeners.00:55:55XochitlWill let us know what your favorite holiday traditions are in your neck of the woods. And yeah, tell us what you think about our holiday traditions here in the United States. And and yeah. What are some of your favorite holiday movies? Are there certain foods they eat during this time of year?00:56:17XochitlYou know what is something that really warms your heart during this holiday season? Let us know at AZ englishpodcast@gmail.com. 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In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss American Thanksgiving traditions. Transcript: 00:00:00XochitlYou are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.00:00:13XochitlAlright, Jack, today we are going to be talking about Thanksgiving, which our listeners may or may not know is a family holiday celebrated here in the US.00:00:23XochitlIt traditionally was supposed to commemorate.00:00:27XochitlSharing between the pilgrims and Native Americans, of course, we know that.00:00:32XochitlThat's not historically accurate at all.00:00:35JackRight. Or it's a very oversimplified description of the situation, yeah.00:00:41XochitlThe situation but.00:00:44XochitlToday, it's kind of divorced from its original meaning mostly, and it's kind of just a family holiday where you eat food together. So.00:00:53JackRight.00:00:56XochitlYeah, I want to ask you, our viewers may or may not know there's some typical things you usually eat during Thanksgiving. I would say Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, gravy.00:01:06JackMashed mashed. Yeah.00:01:12XochitlI think those are the ones that like you basically can't skip.00:01:16JackRight.00:01:17XochitlAnd and then each family has. Sorry, go ahead.00:01:18발표자 3It's just.00:01:21JackNo, I was going to say that's exactly right. If there's no stuffing that it doesn't really. It's like that's one really important component of, like, Turkey Mashed potato, stuffing and cranberry sauce like you.00:01:33JackHave to have.00:01:33XochitlLike cranberry sauce gravy gotta have that.00:01:36XochitlAnd then most people have something green, like a green beans or a salad or some kind of green side. But I would feel those are like the.00:01:44XochitlStaples. And then each family has things that pretty much just their family makes. Oh, sweet potato casserole or sweet potatoes. And some preparation is another big popular food. Yeah.00:01:49JackRight.00:01:55XochitlI would say for the ones that my family makes, it's Kush which is like a cornbread dish with hard boiled eggs and green onion.00:02:06XochitlAnd then oysters, which is like oysters, literally strained canned oysters in a casserole dish with like, a bread crumb topping.00:02:18XochitlIt's really good, you know both.00:02:18발표자 3OK.00:02:20XochitlOf them sound weird, but they're both really delicious.00:02:22JackYeah, yeah. I mean we, our, our weird one was lesa because we're the Scandinavian, right? My, my fan no left side is like a a potato pancake with just it just literally has butter on it and then sugar and then you roll it, roll it up. Yeah. I mean it's it's.00:02:40XochitlThat sounds good.00:02:44JackIt's full on, like causes diabetes, you.00:02:47JackKnow what I?00:02:47JackMean like you could trace it right back to to that. But but it's so good. It tastes so good.00:02:48발표자Right.00:02:55XochitlRight. So my oh, and my thing is ever since I started making the Thanksgiving spread pretty much on my own, I started doing this since I was about 24 every year, I pretty much make the whole spread on my own. This year, my mom made the oysters, which were probably the best thing, actually.00:03:16XochitlBesides that, I've pretty much made everything else myself.00:03:20XochitlAnd ever since I started making this spread myself, I only make fried chicken instead of Turkey.00:03:26JackOK, wow. Alright. A substitution. A different bird. Yeah.00:03:30발표자Yes. Yeah.00:03:32XochitlYeah, I just Turkey is like a lot for a kind of smaller family gathering. I don't like the flavor as much. And then for like, one person cooking most of the main dishes, it's really hard for, like, one person to prepare the Turkey on their own pretty much.00:03:48JackAnd everyone likes fried chicken.00:03:49XochitlIs this something?00:03:51JackI mean you can.00:03:52XochitlOhh yeah.00:03:53XochitlCome on.00:03:54발표자 3You know.00:03:55XochitlCan't go wrong.00:03:57JackFor for I prefer the Turkey like I'm a I'm a purist. OK, so.00:03:57XochitlHow about you do you?00:03:58발표자Sorry, go ahead.00:04:03XochitlYou're freaking furious. Wow. Betrayed.00:04:06JackI'm a I'm a.00:04:07JackThanksgiving purist like I I need my my Turkey. I I, I and I'm I'm the worst. Like I'm I'm such a typical American that I like the breast like that. You know the white meat which is like everyone knows it.00:04:22발표자 3No, you betrayed.00:04:25JackThat's the least flavor and the and it's the driest part.00:04:29JackOf the of the bird.00:04:31JackBut I it's just like a tradition, like I when I was a kid, you know, we were picky. We I didn't want the dark meat. I wanted only the, you know, pure the muscle part, you know, just the the whitest of the white meat and a big old slice of it, you know.00:04:31발표자 3That's the.00:04:51JackHeaping slice of of of dry as.00:04:55JackWhite, white meat. Turkey. Yeah. Turkey breast.00:04:59XochitlYeah. Yeah, I'm.00:05:00XochitlThe opposite, even as a kid, I always like dark meat, so I'd always want the Turkey leg. And now that I can make it on myself, I'm like, why would I even make Turkey when there's better proteins out there like fried chicken?00:05:04JackRight.00:05:12XochitlYeah, just and.00:05:13XochitlThen you can.00:05:14XochitlIt's so easy to make gravy with the fried chicken.00:05:17XochitlLike so. That's just it just knocks out two birds with one stone. Haha. Pun intended.00:05:24XochitlAnd yeah, so.00:05:25XochitlTo me. So. So you're on the opposite.00:05:28XochitlOK, other unpopular Thanksgiving opinion? I did not know. I was on the unpopular end of this one.00:05:35XochitlI prefer homemade cranberry sauce to canned. I won't even eat the canned stuff. It's nasty.00:05:40JackNo, no, no, no.00:05:41XochitlHow about you?00:05:42JackI'm again. I'm a purist. I.00:05:44JackIt has to come out of a can. It has to make the like plopping sound.00:05:48JackYou know where you like it, kind of like.00:05:53JackYou know, it falls on the plate. Like if it doesn't make that kind of weird sound when it comes out of the can as it slides out of the can. I'm not eating it. I mean, I'll eat it. Of course I.00:06:03XochitlOh my God.00:06:04JackWould eat it. I'm I'm not.00:06:05JackI'm not rude, but but I prefer that kind of Jelly cranberry sauce.00:06:11JackFrom the can.00:06:13JackAnd I don't know. For me, it's like the perfect combination to the kind of salty, savory gravy and mashed potatoes. Then you get that super sweet, almost like a gel, gelatin, kind of cranberry sauce, you know, I know it's really crazy.00:06:30XochitlOh my.00:06:31XochitlGod, so I lost.00:06:33JackRight.00:06:34XochitlSo much respect for.00:06:35XochitlYou I cannot. My dad always.00:06:38XochitlMade it from scratch and I started making it from scratch. It's so easy. You just open a couple of bags of crap.00:06:44XochitlBerries with a little bit.00:06:46XochitlOf water, boil it in a pot with some sugar and I like to add in a little bit of I squeeze half an orange in there.00:06:53XochitlAt the end.00:06:54JackOh, a little citrus, a little little, a little zest.00:06:57JackTo it or something a little.00:06:58XochitlYeah, a little citrus zest and umm, it is pretty sweet. I try to add enough sugar so that it's not.00:07:05XochitlToo sour and try.00:07:07XochitlTo make it.00:07:07XochitlEat, of course. Cranberries themselves kind of have a naturally bitter sour flavor, like they're also bitter.00:07:14XochitlYou know, but I I just prefer that so much that I honestly, I the canned stuff makes me gag. I hate the texture.00:07:22JackI love that texture. It's like Jelly or jello.00:07:22XochitlAnd it's like.00:07:25XochitlOh God.00:07:26JackOr something gelatin. I know it's.00:07:28JackIt's some gross too.00:07:30XochitlOh my God, no I can't.00:07:35XochitlGo ahead.00:07:35JackWell, I'm. I'm just trying to think like, why?00:07:37JackDo I like?00:07:37JackIt do I like it because it makes me. It's because of sentimentality. Or is it because I actually like the taste? And I think it might be a combination of both it.00:07:48JackThat's what we had when I was growing up. So that's what I want. When I have a Thanksgiving dinner.00:07:56JackBut I wouldn't. You know, I would not be disappointed if someone brought in like a homemade cranberry sauce made from scratch. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in insane person. Like, I would definitely enjoy that and appreciate it. I just. I'm totally satisfied with the can. I guess that.00:07:57XochitlRight.00:08:14JackAnd like look.00:08:15JackHere's the thing about the can.00:08:17JackIt's like.00:08:19JackIt's probably 95% sugar.00:08:22JackYou know, 5% cranberries. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably just a sugar bomb, and that's why it's so sweet. You know, like yours is a much healthier version of it.00:08:22XochitlIt is, it's almost spring.00:08:33JackYou know, and it's probably.00:08:34JackGot of numerous chemicals in there too. To preserve it, you know, because.00:08:39XochitlYeah, to me, get that texture.00:08:41JackYeah. Well, the texture that does not exist in.00:08:42발표자 3It's like.00:08:44JackNature at all.00:08:45XochitlYeah, it's horrible. God congealed.00:08:45발표자 3Just, yeah.00:08:48XochitlOhh no, I just can't.00:08:49JackYeah. Congeal cranberry juice.00:08:49XochitlI can't.00:08:52XochitlYeah. Oh, my God. No other one. I wanna ask you, Jack.00:08:58XochitlPumpkin pie? Is it overrated? And do you prefer another dessert? I didn't make a dessert this year. I had too many other things to do. I personally just. I don't. I didn't want to make pumpkin pie. I was going to use leftover cranberry sauce with apples to make, like, a cranberry apple crumble.00:09:16발표자 3Right.00:09:17XochitlAnd I also am thinking I have some cans for like canned pumpkin pie and I was gonna make into like a pumpkin pudding with like layers. You know how people make banana pudding with the layers of cookies. I think I'm gonna make a pumpkin pudding pudding with.00:09:35XochitlBut I just personally don't like pumpkin pie. I feel like the textures texture is always kind of off.00:09:41XochitlIt tastes kind of like tofu or something, and it's like it's not sweet enough. It's just not. It's not.00:09:47XochitlMy cup of.00:09:48XochitlTea. How do you feel about it?00:09:50JackI love pumpkin pie.00:09:53XochitlWe're on opposite, we're on opposite spectrum today.00:09:56JackWe're we're having two completely different meals right now.00:10:00발표자 3Yes. Yeah.00:10:03JackI. So here's the.00:10:03XochitlMine is better. Mine is a better meal.00:10:04JackThing when I was a kid, I didn't like pumpkin pie cause I was just like, it's like a it was a vegetable and it's like a vegetable pie, you know, like it.00:10:13JackIt just seemed odd to me because I when I think of pie, I think of fruit pies, right or pecan pie, something like that with with nuts.00:10:22XochitlAnd yeah.00:10:23JackUM, so my mom would always make a pecan pie and A and a pumpkin pie. Or my grandmother would make an apple pie, and I would always choose the apple pie, obviously, because I mean, apple pie is clearly the winner.00:10:38XochitlI actually don't like apple pie. The texture is nasty to me. It's like hot apples. No thanks.00:10:43JackOhh yeah no, I like that too. Yeah, that's that's funny because.00:10:46XochitlWow, just like I want to know, at the end of this, all our listeners pause right now and write a comment down below.00:10:54XochitlWho? This house?00:10:54XochitlWould you rather eat at mine or Jack? Mine is the right answer. I'll.00:10:57XochitlLet you guys know.00:11:00JackIf you want, if you want the authentic 1985 American Thanksgiving, you come to my house. But.00:11:07XochitlOh my God.00:11:08JackSocial is, you know.00:11:09JackYounger and you guys are. You know, you've been watching Top Chef for your whole life, you know, so, you know, you guys are like, I'm gonna make a an apple cranberry crumble, you know, with a citrus. Yeah. And.00:11:11XochitlDo an improved.00:11:15XochitlThat's so true.00:11:21발표자Oh my God, you got me. You got me.00:11:27JackBut I, but I I appreciate I respect it. I I do. I mean, I know that yours culinary yours is a a culinary delight and mine is like a just a traditional kind of gruel like a you know a meal that.00:11:43JackYou know.00:11:44XochitlYou're like big Midwestern energy.00:11:47JackI do. I I'm.00:11:47XochitlLike the big white like white.00:11:50XochitlIf you want to like white middle class Midwestern meal, it's like Jack's house is the where it's at.00:11:55JackOh my gosh, we are we. We are the epitome of the right white middle class Midwestern, you know, we're big farmers and we like our big birds, you know, like a big Turkey and a giant mountain of mashed potatoes with like, you know, a lava.00:12:15JackFlow of gravy. You know, coming down that mountain of mashed potatoes with a big old plop of cranberry sauce. And I'm trying to think like, what my.00:12:17XochitlIn the middle.00:12:25JackMy mother used to make.00:12:27JackThis one, you'll know like this is a a traditional 1A sweet potato casserole with marshmallow.00:12:34JackMelted on the top.00:12:36XochitlYes. So my mom and my grandma on my dad's side both make this and I.00:12:44XochitlI well, my grandma actually has started making it a little differently. She doesn't put the marshmallows on it anymore, but I personally think my sweet potatoes are the best. I mean, I'm kind of arrogant because I definitely think I'm the best cook in the family. My, my grandma actually on my dad's side has some really great recipes. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out around Christmas. I'm definitely gonna collect a bunch.00:13:02XochitlOf recipes because she has some good ones.00:13:05XochitlBut for me?00:13:07XochitlI like to make candied yams.00:13:09XochitlInstead of the sweet potato casserole.00:13:11JackOK. Yeah, that, that's cool.00:13:12XochitlAnd I put.00:13:12XochitlLike cinnamon and cardamom in it, and it's really good. I I really enjoy it.00:13:17JackThat I would. I would really enjoy that. You know, I I live in Korea now where this. I've never done this before until I lived in Korea. I just eat hate or I like to eat just a plain sweet.00:13:32JackYeah, I just put it in the oven. Bake it.00:13:36JackAnd I don't add.00:13:37JackAny sugar I add nothing, and I even eat the skin of it and it's just got lots of fiber and nutrients and you know, it's high in carbohydrates, but.00:13:47XochitlYeah, that's popular in Mexico too. There's a thumb up there which is like a guy that sells sweet potatoes, and he goes by and you can hear his sweet potato.00:13:57XochitlCart whistling and he goes. Come on, come up.00:13:59JackOh, nice.00:14:01XochitlThis and he's.00:14:02XochitlLike calling out sweet potatoes, sweet potato in that voice and that, like, annoying like, come on. Sounds like that. And people come running out of their houses. Go grab sweet potato. Roasted sweet potato. Yeah.00:14:05발표자 3That's right.00:14:09발표자Yeah, yeah.00:14:13JackTo get a sweet potato.00:14:16JackI I love them. I think it's great. I mean, you know, it made me think like, why do we?00:14:20JackDress up the sweet potato.00:14:23JackYou know, like with with melted, you know, marshmallows.00:14:24XochitlRight.00:14:28JackOn top it's.00:14:28XochitlWater is.00:14:28JackLike putting sugar on sugar. You know what I mean? Like it, it doesn't need. Yeah.00:14:31XochitlYeah, it's sweet.00:14:34XochitlI think my.00:14:35XochitlTheory about why we do that in the US.00:14:37XochitlIs that our?00:14:38XochitlOur viewers have never been the US might not know this or our listeners, but I think the produce is a lot less flavorful in the US, which is crazy because the US has optimal growing conditions. But because of how our food supply chain works, we pick most things before they're fully ripe.00:14:57XochitlAnd treat them with a bunch of chemicals so they'll last and they'll have a really long shelf life. And so because of this, most things that you're buying like don't have the sweet, the natural sweetness that they would in other.00:15:01발표자 3Right.00:15:10XochitlLike in Mexico, if you're going to eat a pineapple or strawberry or something, it tastes really sweet. And in Korea as well, if you have strawberries, they're like, really sweet and delicious and succulent. And in the US, you're gonna get this giant strawberry the size of my.00:15:23XochitlFist it's going to be so.00:15:24JackRight. But it tastes like a glass of water, you know.00:15:27XochitlIt's flavorless. It's like it's like chewing on the.00:15:30XochitlAs of fibrous.00:15:31XochitlWater. It's nasty.00:15:33JackRight, right. It looks beautiful. Like a a picturesque strawberry from a commercial that it. It tastes like a like you said. A fibrous glass of water. Like it's just got nothing. Yeah.00:15:44XochitlYeah, it's nasty.00:15:47XochitlYeah. Anyway, I guess those are unpopular food. Well, you have to tell me first before we, before we transition to the next one. What do you like about pumpkin pie? Because I think I.00:15:57XochitlUsed to I.00:15:57XochitlUsed to pretend to like it as a kid because I felt like I.00:15:59XochitlWas supposed to like.00:16:01XochitlIt and I really didn't because it's kind of.00:16:04XochitlBland and texturally it, it tastes like whipped tofu.00:16:08XochitlAnd I like pumpkin, can't in Mexico, we have like candied pumpkin. You cut it into slices and you Stew it with a bunch of, like, brown sugar and spices.00:16:19XochitlAnd then you just eat. Eat it.00:16:21XochitlLike that, and it tastes really good.00:16:23XochitlBecause actually the flavor penetrates it fully, but with pumpkin pie, it's like hard to whip it into pie form and have the flavor fully.00:16:33XochitlIt's not like it's.00:16:33JackYeah, if you're making it from scratch, you know, like, like there there, you could make it like you can just buy the already whipped up.00:16:33XochitlLike not speeding much.00:16:43JackPumpkin, I don't know what you call, like the filling part, right? You can buy it in.00:16:47XochitlYeah, but I'm sure that's how you guys made it back home, right? Because, well, my my dad actually made it from scratch sometimes, and I that was even worse. It tasted like stringing. It's totally. Yeah. Like it isn't worth it. Look, stringy, pumpkin. Ohh. No, I just.00:16:51JackI'm sure.00:16:56JackMore like pumpkin.00:17:03JackDon't. Don't use leftover Jackal Lantern.00:17:06XochitlThen my dad did that. My dad would literally do that would use like leftover Jack Lynch and he would like, freeze it or something and then just like, make like five of the.00:17:14XochitlLater it was.00:17:14XochitlLike stringy. Ohh God.00:17:16JackYeah, that's right.00:17:18발표자 3What do you?00:17:19XochitlYeah. What do you like about pumpkin pie though cause?00:17:22XochitlI feel like.00:17:23XochitlYou like when you buy it in a can form or you buy it premade from the store. That's like the best version and it's.00:17:28XochitlStill not good to me.00:17:29JackBecause it's it's loaded with.00:17:30JackSugar, I think all of these things are are just completely loaded the sugar. So I I like pumpkin pie because, well, actually I didn't start liking it till.00:17:43JackI was an adult. It's kind of.00:17:44JackLike one of those things that I grew into. So I started with.00:17:50JackYou know, eating just apple pie or pecan.00:17:53JackPie. When I was a kid.00:17:55JackAnd then as an.00:17:56JackAdult. I'm like I'm going to try a slice of pumpkin pie. I like it with whipped cream on top, which is kind of cheating, right? It's like I. What do I like more? Do I like the pumpkin or do I like the whipped cream? But if you get if you get a a.00:18:05XochitlYeah, my sister covers everything.00:18:11JackIf you get whipped cream and pumpkin pie together.00:18:13JackIn one on the spoon.00:18:15JackThen it's tolerable.00:18:19JackBut like, I think you're right.00:18:20JackI think pumpkin.00:18:21JackPie is like at its best is just tolerable.00:18:24XochitlIt's like mid, you know, slang in mid like it's just in the like mid range like it's not amazing, it's not horrible. It's just mid like the best pumpkin pie is mid to me.00:18:34JackRight, right. The best one big pie is is is is.00:18:38JackNot better than the worst blueberry pie, yeah.00:18:39XochitlOf great.00:18:41XochitlYes. Oh, my God. Blueberry pie is my favorite. I like to make that for Christmas though. But yeah, I was gonna. That was.00:18:45JackYeah, blueberry pie.00:18:47XochitlGoing to be my other question to you is like, do you eat it loaded with with, with with cream which?00:18:52XochitlYou said you.00:18:53XochitlDo because my sister. That's how she eats it. She just. She's like eating whipped cream pie with some pumpkin on it. And. And just like at that point, you do, you just like to have an excuse to eat a ton of whip cream that has, like, a slight.00:19:08XochitlAnd slavery.00:19:11JackYou know, I I actually.00:19:13JackI do enjoy it like I like.00:19:15JackWhen you when you.00:19:16JackWhen you get like.00:19:18JackLike I said, like a like a spoon of whipped cream and a bit of pumpkin filling and then some of that nice breaded crust.00:19:27XochitlYeah, the question is.00:19:27JackIt all in one.00:19:28JackBite it is a very.00:19:29JackNice like I do like it. I do. It's.00:19:32JackLike I'll I'll.00:19:33JackI'll really enjoy a Costco pumpkin pie with my wife, like we'll get the the whipped cream and we'll buy the pumpkin pie and I'll have a slice. You know, every night until it's gone, you know.00:19:47XochitlRight.00:19:49JackYou're right. Like, I mean, if I were, you know, of all the pastries that you could choose in the world, why, why do we choose pumpkin pie? I think again, it's. It goes back to, like, sentimentality. It kind of reminds me of home. It, like, makes me feel like I'm back in America eating a Thanksgiving dessert.00:20:09JackSo it's more like a nostalgic eat than like a ohh this is the taste is wonderful. Like I just love the taste, which is kind of stupid. I mean it's it's a weird thing to eat.00:20:21JackFor nostalgia purposes, then to.00:20:24XochitlBut it's such a.00:20:25XochitlSpecific flavor. It's like of course that it would bring up, because if you're eating like a hot dog, I mean, you can get that anywhere kind.00:20:33XochitlOf but like.00:20:34XochitlOr, you know, Mac and cheese, but it's just brings back a certain holiday memory to have the pumpkin pie.00:20:41발표자 3I think that's.00:20:42JackWhat it is? I mean, it's like it's like eating a a childhood memory like. But it's the. But The funny thing is I never started eating pumpkin pie till I was an adult. So it's just like, put the smell and and I don't know.00:20:50XochitlAn yeah.00:20:56JackI've I've probably had a few.00:20:56발표자The memory.00:20:57발표자 3This is.00:20:58XochitlYeah, when you're eating it, it just reminds you of Thanksgiving, which is an logic memory for us in the US, yeah.00:21:02발표자 3Right.00:21:05JackYeah, I've only had. I've only had maybe 2 Thanksgiving meals in the last 20.00:21:13JackFour years probably. I remember I had a neighbor from America and he invited me over on Thanksgiving, and he was trying to make a Thanksgiving.00:21:23JackYou know in Korea and he was an American guy. He was worked on the military base, so he got a bird. Sorry, we bird is slang for Turkey.00:21:33XochitlFor tricky.00:21:34JackYeah, that's how.00:21:35JackMidwest, am I right now he. So he got a Turkey and he got a bird and made mashed potatoes and stuff and we.00:21:39XochitlWe got a burn.00:21:43JackBut it was really awkward like.00:21:44JackI didn't really want to.00:21:45JackBe there. I was just like I.00:21:47XochitlOhh no wait. Why was it awkward? Because.00:21:50XochitlThis brings us to our next.00:21:50JackI wasn't really close to him that much.00:21:52JackI think he was trying to like reach out and and I was just kind of like, you know, my wife's not here. She was at work and I'm.00:21:59JackJust sitting there.00:22:00JackAt this like guys house eating Thanksgiving food.00:22:03JackGood. But we're we're we're both.00:22:05XochitlAre you with anyone else?00:22:07JackNo, it was just like me and him. And like his kid, I think was there maybe his wife. I can't. No. Yeah, it was really awkward. And I was just like.00:22:11XochitlThat's really awkward.00:22:17JackYeah, I I was. We were.00:22:18JackWe were both just trying to to recreate our own childhood memory, you know, to go back to our past and try to create something over here. And I I realized that it's just not. You can't do it. Like it doesn't work. You have to. You need a you need a group of people.00:22:37JackThat are all really gung ho, like excited about.00:22:43JackAbout trying to be creative Thanksgiving. So what you need is like a lot of foreigners, you know. And so when you get a lot of foreigners together, they'll they'll put together a big old like you said, a spread like a spread. It's like a a lot of a lot of different foods. And you can do a big Thanksgiving feast. But.00:22:48XochitlRight.00:22:55XochitlRight.00:23:03JackWhen it's just.00:23:03JackLike me, I tried to do that with my daughter.00:23:06JackAnd my wife. But it was just it's it's just too difficult so.00:23:11JackI just said you.00:23:12JackKnow what? We'll we'll celebrate the Korean Harvest Festival, which is the tussock holiday and all.00:23:21JackYou know, forget about the Thanksgiving one, but hopefully someday in the future, before I die, I would love to go back and have, like, a proper Thanksgiving dinner in America. That would be. That's one of my dreams.00:23:37XochitlNo matter where I am, I always make the Thanksgiving. So I wasn't in Korea for that Thanksgiving, but I was in Mexico, and I did make the spread, but it was just me doing it by myself.00:23:49XochitlAnd one of my friends who came, like, insulted my food. I really wanted to kick her out at that point. I was like, don't insult like it just made me so mad because I worked so hard to make everything. And yeah, it was really mean.00:23:59JackThat's awful. What?00:24:03JackDoes she doesn't understand Thanksgiving or she's she's not American?00:24:07XochitlShe doesn't know she's not American, but I don't.00:24:10발표자 3OK.00:24:11XochitlI don't know. It was just it was weird, but I think later she felt bad about it. But I was like, I was mad. I.00:24:16XochitlWas like OK.00:24:17XochitlWell, you don't have to eat.00:24:19JackYou just pulled the.00:24:20XochitlIt just like, yeah, so.00:24:20JackMom card. Well, then yeah, no desserts for you. No, pumpkin pie. No pumpkin crumble. Crumble cake for you.00:24:29XochitlOK.00:24:29XochitlBut the thing that I did mess up and this was before she even got to that part. So this is not what she was criticizing. I undercooked the chicken.00:24:38XochitlMy God, it was so funny because I didn't realize the the elevation makes cooking time for meat and everything different.00:24:46JackNo, I didn't know.00:24:47XochitlYeah. I mean, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. And so the chicken was like undercooked, but it still went well, I think, because the sides were all really delicious, even though the the chicken was undercooked. And my boyfriend came the next day, and he we have leftovers together. And he really liked the food. And I reheated the chicken, so it cooked.00:24:47발표자 3That either.00:25:07XochitlAll the way through.00:25:08발표자 3So it's like.00:25:08발표자Yeah, they.00:25:09JackYeah. You don't wanna give anyone the.00:25:10JackHot chicken well.00:25:12발표자 3The thing that.00:25:12JackI think we're forgetting about Thanksgiving is the leftovers.00:25:16JackBecause there's nothing like a the the Turkey sandwich. You know, the Turkey gravy sandwich the next day. So you take a piece of bread and you heat up the uh, you heat, you heat up the Turkey and you heat up the the gravy and then you put the Turkey on the bread and then you do pour.00:25:38JackGravy on it and it soaks into the bread.00:25:41JackAnd then you.00:25:41JackEat that Turkey sandwich with the the bread you know soaked the gravy soaked bread and that is even better than Thanksgiving.00:25:54JackIn my.00:25:55발표자Right.00:25:56XochitlYeah. See, I've never eaten leftovers like that. I hear a lot of Americans eat like the Turkey sandwich and stuff for us. We would just reheat everything and eat it again. Yeah, but it's so good because sometimes flavors, like, have a chance to meld more together in a dish within a dish. Like.00:26:13XochitlAnd so the next day.00:26:13JackThey just gets better and better.00:26:16XochitlYeah. It's like more flavorful. So yeah, I I really like the leftovers, and I think it's the best part is like, you can eat.00:26:22XochitlThat food for.00:26:23XochitlLike 3 days and you don't have to worry about making new food. One thing I like to do is just like add on. So since I do everything by myself now.00:26:31XochitlI do things in.00:26:32XochitlShifts. So like the first round was like.00:26:35XochitlFried chicken, mashed potatoes, stuffing, oysters, green beans, cranberry sauce and the 2nd shift was like sweet potatoes. Kush like just I made different dishes each so we could just like bring them together.00:26:49JackRight.00:26:50XochitlThe next day.00:26:50JackYou know, it's, uh, it's the best. I mean I it I.00:26:54JackKnow a lot of people.00:26:56JackMy friend Kevin, you, you know, Kevin, his favorite holiday is Thanksgiving by far, like he likes it more than Christmas. He likes it more than any other holiday. I think it's because of that, like eating and drinking together and the.00:27:12JackI don't know it it.00:27:13JackPuts you in a like.00:27:14JackYou know it's supposed to be a.00:27:15JackTime where you reflect.00:27:17JackOn the year and you're thankful for.00:27:21JackThe things that you have, you know, and I think we forget about that because.00:27:25JackBecause the very next day after Thanksgiving is probably the the the lowest point culturally for us, which is the Black Friday where it's all about consumerism and excess. And you know it's about fist fighting over a, a television that's on, you know, sale.00:27:35XochitlOh my.00:27:45JackYou know, I mean it's like.00:27:48JackSo it's funny how we we flip flop from like this. Really thankful kind of thoughtful mode to the kind of aggressive shopping mode of Black Friday. And so I I think people forget, you know, I I don't.00:28:06JackKnow that's.00:28:07JackI I love Thanksgiving because I I love the food and I love the family. And yeah, it was it. It is a a wonderful holiday. I do. I do love it.00:28:20XochitlWe are kind of forgetting about the other side of the coin though, which is like Thanksgiving family drama, which I feel like always comes out during those times. I saw this really funny meme. That's like, remember to bring up politics during Thanksgiving so you can save on Christmas presents. That was.00:28:28JackRight.00:28:41XochitlI've I think I've had drama every year. Probably my family's a little bit dramatic this year. I got mad because I actually get mad most years.00:28:51발표자That's not new.00:28:53XochitlThis year I got mad because I.00:28:53JackYou cook the food and then you storm off, right?00:28:56XochitlYeah, I like made all the food and then today.00:29:02XochitlI guess it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore, but I think we had a fine Thanksgiving, but then it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore. Today we were, like, reheating stuff.00:29:10XochitlBut I was that.00:29:10XochitlWe were doing it in shifts, so I was supposed to make like.00:29:12XochitlThe stuffing and.00:29:13XochitlSome other stuff today and I was all ready to do.00:29:16XochitlIt. But my grandma like.00:29:19XochitlWas mean. I don't know why she gets in like a bad mood. And this is on my mom's side. And so she like said like.00:29:28XochitlOh my God. Are you going to make more food or something? And it just made me.00:29:32XochitlIt just like, hit a nerve and like, well, you don't have to eat it.00:29:36JackRight, right.00:29:37XochitlYou can just eat your own food if you want.00:29:39XochitlLike you know what I mean? Like.00:29:40XochitlI wasn't making it for her specifically. There's more other people.00:29:44JackNo, it's just it was just kind.00:29:46JackOf a crappy thing to.00:29:47JackSay cause it's just like, well, like why?00:29:51JackYeah, no one's.00:29:53JackForcing food down your your throat, you know it's.00:29:55XochitlYeah, no one's.00:29:56XochitlTrying to make you eat it.00:29:57발표자 3Yeah, yeah.00:29:59XochitlSo I was like, well, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, I was mean. So that made.00:30:02XochitlMe upset and then?00:30:05XochitlI said I wasn't making it anymore. I got mad and said I wasn't making. I wasn't cooking anymore, and then I just didn't cook. My mom supported me and said I didn't have.00:30:12XochitlTo cook, I was like.00:30:12XochitlAlright, good. Me too we.00:30:14XochitlCook. I just it just. I think sometimes it makes me mad and I understand. Like now I kind of see things through a different lens now that I'm older and that the responsibility of making all the food is.00:30:29XochitlI get why?00:30:30XochitlWomen would get so like angry and frustrated during the holidays when I was a kid, like you would see your mom getting.00:30:35XochitlMad and stuff. And you're like you now you realize like, OK, because a lot of people are really unappreciative of all the work that you're putting in to make.00:30:43XochitlAll this food.00:30:45JackRight. And my family's traditional. So my my grandmother, my mom and my aunt, they would all make the food. Although my uncle would make the bird, he would cook the Turkey. He's kind of like at, you know, like, like putting water on it and whatever.00:30:59JackThe you know.00:31:01XochitlYou're basing it? You mean? Yeah, yeah.00:31:01JackPasting it like pasting the Turkey.00:31:04JackUM.00:31:05JackAnd uh.00:31:06JackSo and then afterwards, the men would just sit and watch football and the women had to do all the cleaning as well, so they would be cleaning up in the kitchen and preparing the dessert.00:31:12XochitlYeah, and drink beer.00:31:17XochitlGod yeah.00:31:21JackFor the men and I'm, I'm like, you know, it seemed normal to me at this time and so.00:31:27XochitlIt never seemed normal to me. It made me mad, like ever.00:31:30XochitlSince I think I was always like.00:31:31JackYeah. Well, because I'm, you know, I'm the I'm the lucky gender. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the beneficiary of, like, all this, this tradition, it's like.00:31:31XochitlWhy is everyone? Why the men? Just.00:31:35XochitlRight.00:31:41JackWhat? What do you what?00:31:42JackDo young boys learn they?00:31:43JackLearn to that women do the cooking and the cleaning.00:31:47JackAnd the men do the eating and the football watching.00:31:49XochitlDrinking and the football watching. Yeah. And the I had the same thing happened with my grandma. Another.00:31:51발표자 3Yeah, right.00:31:59XochitlYear which is I made all the food. My dad insisted she didn't want to have a Thanksgiving. This is my grandma. My mom's side. Again. She want to have Thanksgiving because she says that it.00:32:06XochitlAlways ends badly or something and.00:32:10XochitlMy dad insisted that he wanted to do it, but I ended up having to make all the food my dad made like one dish. But I made. I had to make everything else, and then we brought it and then she was like, oh, this is so nice.00:32:20XochitlThank you so much, Tad. Like to my dad.00:32:23XochitlAnd I was like.00:32:27XochitlI was so mad and then my dad did to his ever living credit at least say I didn't make anything. Uh, my daughter made everything. But my grandma already knew.00:32:34JackRight.00:32:35XochitlThat so it.00:32:36XochitlWas just like insult to injury. At that point, I.00:32:39XochitlWas like I.00:32:40XochitlThink it just, it sucks when you make all those food for people and they don't appreciate it. I think that's what like is hard for women too.00:32:46XochitlLike you're under feeling unappreciated for all the effort you put in, cause it's a lot of work to plan everything, all the ingredients and do it all.00:32:55JackThere's there's a trend. I mean, I read articles about this in Korea. So Korea has a a harvest festival called the Chusak holiday. And women are so responsible for everything that they some, some women actually faked like injuries.00:33:15JackLike you would wear like a cast on their arm or something. They're like, oh, I I broke my arm. I can't, you know, attend. I can't do the, you know, the holiday because the holiday.00:33:19발표자Oh yeah.00:33:28JackIt's like it's like worse than your job. It's like a it's like going from what we say. We have an expression in English, like, out of the frying pan, into the fire, kind of. That's the expression. So it's kind of like you get your time off.00:33:42JackFrom work to work harder.00:33:45JackCatering this you know to the needs.00:33:48JackOf all the men in the family.00:33:49JackLike cooking and cleaning and nonstop food preparation and cleaning and childcare.00:33:55JackAnd all these things.00:33:57JackNow I think in recent years, though, it's starting to change, you know, like I think.00:34:03JackThat men are starting to realize, like, OK, if if women are going to work full time jobs.00:34:10JackThen it's only fair to split the the cleaning and the cooking duties. 5050, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it. That's the lesson that young kids should be learning. Is that like, you have to cooperate together and you know, prepare this this meal. And so I don't know what it has happened in my family.00:34:31JackBecause my family is so spread out now, I think they have their new families, you know? So like all the cousins.00:34:39JackThey all have their family with my aunt and uncle together, and now my aunt, uncle are the grandma and Grandpa and the same with my other family and my parents and my parents are the only ones that really get left out because both of their kids, my brother and I live, you know, thousands of miles away.00:35:00JackSo they so they, we never celebrate Thanksgiving together. And so it's it's one of those things where my you know, when it comes to.00:35:09JackLike the drama of the family I like.00:35:13JackI if if we had like a traditional Thanksgiving where it was like all my my aunts and uncles together now after Donald Trump has been elected, it would be.00:35:24JackOn a like a knock down, drag out battle of like like we'd have to. We have to set ground rules like. No, we will not discuss politics.00:35:36JackBecause, because they're, they won't even talk to me right now. Like they they they haven't talked to me.00:35:36XochitlRight.00:35:42JackIn like years.00:35:44JackLike if I if I send them like like a if I send like a message.00:35:44XochitlBut being less me.00:35:47JackTo them like, hey, happy birthday. Radio silence.00:35:51JackJust nothing, you know, so.00:35:53XochitlYeah, I mean.00:35:54XochitlHonestly, you're better off without racist people in your life.00:35:57XochitlThough I mean.00:35:57XochitlTo me, in my opinion, but you know, it is what it is, but I get it. Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern times are the holidays. Just don't hit the way they used to. Like it just hit different now, like.00:36:13XochitlThey're not. I feel like holidays used to be such a thing.00:36:18XochitlAnd now it just feels really watered down and I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if times are just changing. I feel like it's both probably.00:36:26JackI think times are changing. I think people are like realizing like, OK, I've got I work hard and I've got this, this this week off or these three days off and like do I want to be miserable with my family or happy with my friends. And I think young people like millennials and.00:36:42XochitlYeah, fighting out.00:36:47JackAnd Gen. Z people are like you know what? I'm already.00:36:48XochitlAnd the.00:36:53JackI'm already getting screwed over in the economy.00:36:55JackLike I'm not making enough money. I'm you know.00:36:58JackNow I gotta fly home.00:37:01JackTo to to deal with.00:37:01XochitlRight.00:37:02JackThis nonsense, you know, so to listen.00:37:05JackTo my uncle.00:37:06JackYou know, talk about how great Donald Trump is, you know, to, you know, I mean, why would I go home to that? Like I would, you know, so I think I think young people are are are creating their own holiday traditions within their friend group friend groups.00:37:10XochitlRight. Don't.00:37:10XochitlDo that.00:37:23XochitlI'm not feeling.00:37:25XochitlThinking myself.00:37:28XochitlAfter having done the holiday spread three years in a row and never having been appreciated for it once, not once did anyone ever say wow. Thank you. You disagree affected 4 years because it was. I did it when I was 242526 and now 27. So it's technically four different Thanksgiving that I did completely by myself.00:37:46XochitlAnd never, ever anyone ever seemed appreciative at all. At that point, I'm like next time I'm just saving my grocery money and my time and going on a trip somewhere.00:37:56발표자You're going.00:37:57XochitlGoing to bother with it. That's how I.00:38:00JackYeah, go on a cruise or something.00:38:03JackOr go to.00:38:05JackYou know? Yeah, the nice.00:38:07XochitlI don't even get an Airbnb in like the next town over and just drink wine.00:38:13XochitlLike that all day? Not really.00:38:15XochitlBut it's just it's so.00:38:18XochitlKind of demoralizing, I get why people don't want.00:38:20XochitlTo deal with.00:38:22XochitlDeal with it anymore, in a way.00:38:23JackYeah. No, I'm I, I agree 100%. I think it's good, you know? Yeah. Maybe like it's too much. It's it's too much family. It's it's too much, you know, Thanksgiving and then Christmas.00:38:36JackIs right around.00:38:37JackThe corner I think for for young people in their 20.00:38:41JackOne of the one is OK, like just do a Christmas and forgo the Thanksgiving or do the Thanksgiving and skip the Christmas. I don't know, but I think it's OK, yeah.00:38:46XochitlThe thing is.00:38:53XochitlYeah, I did.00:38:54XochitlThanksgiving this year, with my mom's family and I am doing Christmas with my dad's family because my grandpa passed away. So.00:38:59XochitlI want to see my grandma, but next year I'm saving my money both times and just going on a vacation some other time, just like I don't want to be.00:39:00JackRight.00:39:13XochitlI just don't want to be here and deal.00:39:16XochitlComments and have to make all the food and just at the end of the day, no one is happy. It's like I wasn't happy. I put in all this effort and no one appreciated it, and apparently they're not happy that I did all of that. So I'd rather just save my money and go on a on a cruise or a.00:39:32XochitlTrip or something, you know, at the end of the day.00:39:33JackYeah. Yeah. Well.00:39:36발표자 3I mean, I think that's that's that's.00:39:37JackFair. You know, like it's if it's not fun, it's not happy.00:39:43JackWhy are we? We're just doing it. We're just going through the motions of it for no reason. You know? It's just like because because we have to. I think that's what people realize. I think it's what young people in America realized is like, oh, wait, I don't have to do this.00:40:00JackLike nothing is gonna happen, you know, like nothing bad is going to happen. I'm not going.00:40:03XochitlIf I don't.00:40:05JackTo get struck.00:40:06JackBy lightning, if I don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're so conditioned as children to like.00:40:14JackFollow these these traditions and you know it's they're they're just traditions like you. You can break them. That's fine. Like there's no nothing bad will happen.00:40:26JackYou know it's your family.00:40:27XochitlYeah. And then have something good on.00:40:28JackThey still have.00:40:28JackTo love you, you know.00:40:29XochitlRight, exactly.00:40:32XochitlSo yeah, I don't know. I think for all the young people out there, if you're not feeling it this holiday spirit, you know, don't and don't feel like you're selfish because of it. I think that.00:40:43XochitlWe get to.00:40:43XochitlA little time to relax and actually have vacation and stuff nowadays. It's like you gotta take every chance that you can get.00:40:50JackYeah, yeah, I I agree with that, you know.00:40:55XochitlAll right. Well, if you have a holiday similar to Thanksgiving or Harvest Festival in your culture, tell about it with us. If you also celebrate Thanksgiving, let us know how it's going for you. Do you agree that women usually have to do most of the work? I definitely agree you think. Are you down with that? Are you happy about that?00:41:11발표자And the.00:41:15XochitlOr do you actually want to?00:41:18XochitlStop following the tradition and go on vacation next year or go treat yourself next year. Yeah, and let us know who's house you'd rather eat at mine or jacks, I think.00:41:28XochitlMine is the.00:41:28XochitlRight. One you.00:41:30XochitlWant to get on my good side say.00:41:31XochitlMy my house.00:41:34XochitlYeah. And then leave a comment down.00:41:35XochitlBelow and we will see you guys next time.00:41:38XochitlMake sure follow our podcast Jack and Chill podcast. Check what is our e-mail on our website.00:41:42발표자What you mean?00:41:44JackSo our website is A-Z englishpodcast.com so we're.00:41:48JackStill using the.00:41:49JackA-Z englishpodcast.com website but.00:41:49발표자OK.00:41:52XochitlRight.00:41:52JackYou can send us an e-mail.00:41:54JackYou know A-Z English.00:41:55JackPodcast@gmail.com.00:41:57JackOr the Jack and chill podcast@gmail.com. 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In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss Halloween celebrations, ghost stories from Mexico and Korea, and "phrogging."If you would like us to discuss a specific topic or offer some language or life advice, send us an email at thejackandchillpodcast@gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you!Intro/Outro Music: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_05_Mells_Parade/https://freemusicarchive.org/music/holiznacc0/power-pop/mutant-club/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Podcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/the-jack-chill-podcast-02-halloween-ghost-stories-and-frogging/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss the Mexican holiday The Day of the Dead. Then, they talk about close friends and family members who have passed away. Finally, they discuss Christmas and how magical it feels when we're young and how we cannot hold on to that magic as we get older.If you would like us to discuss a specific topic or offer some language or life advice, send us an email at thejackandchillpodcast@gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you!Intro/Outro Music: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_05_Mells_Parade/https://freemusicarchive.org/music/holiznacc0/power-pop/mutant-club/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Podcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/the-jack-chill-podcast-03-friends-family-and-holidays/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dear Abby,I hope this message finds you well. I'm writing to you because I find myself in a challenging situation, and I could use some guidance.I recently started a new job that I'm passionate about, and I've been putting in extra hours to make a good impression. However, this dedication to my work is starting to take a toll on my personal life. My family and friends have expressed concern about my absence from social events and my inability to unwind and relax.I'm torn between wanting to excel in my career and maintaining a healthy work-life balance. How can I communicate to my loved ones that my long hours are temporary and that I value our relationships? Additionally, do you have any tips on finding that delicate equilibrium between professional success and personal fulfillment?Your insights would mean a lot to me as I navigate this challenging phase in my life.Sincerely,Work-Weary WandererCheck out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-06-work-weary-wanderer/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dear Jack,I'm facing a dilemma at work, and I'm not sure how to handle it. I've been in my current job for several years and have always received excellent performance reviews. Recently, I was approached by a competitor who offered me a position with a significant increase in salary and better benefits.On one hand, this new job seems like a great opportunity, and the financial rewards are enticing. On the other hand, I have strong connections with my current colleagues and boss, and I've built a sense of loyalty to my current company.I'm torn between staying loyal to my current employer and pursuing a new and potentially more lucrative opportunity. How should I approach this decision, and what factors should I consider when making such a significant career choice?Sincerely,Career CrossroadsCheck out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-05-career-crossroads/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Title: "Navigating a Complicated Office Romance"Dear Jack,I'm facing a challenging situation at work, and I could really use some guidance. About six months ago, I started developing romantic feelings for a coworker. We work closely together on various projects and have become great friends. It's clear that there's mutual chemistry, and we often find ourselves flirting and sharing personal stories outside of work.The problem is that our company has a strict policy against office relationships, and they can lead to disciplinary action or even termination. I'm torn between my feelings for this person and my desire to maintain a professional and respectful work environment. It's causing me a lot of stress and anxiety, and I'm unsure about how to proceed.I can't ignore my feelings, but I also don't want to jeopardize my job or their job, especially considering how important our roles are to the team. Should I continue to suppress my feelings and prioritize work, or should I talk to my coworker and risk the consequences?I'd appreciate any advice or insights you can provide.Sincerely,Confused ColleagueCheck out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-04-confused-colleague/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dear Jack,I'm a 30-year-old woman who has always been very close to my best friend, Sarah. We've shared countless joys and sorrows throughout the years. However, there's one issue that's causing a strain in our friendship.Sarah recently started dating a guy who seems controlling and possessive. She has gradually distanced herself from her friends, including me, and it's clear that her boyfriend is the reason. He's made comments about not liking her spending time with 'other people' and has even questioned her about our past friendship.I'm deeply concerned about Sarah's well-being and the way her boyfriend is isolating her. I've tried talking to her about it, but she brushes it off, saying he's just 'protective' and that I don't understand their relationship. I'm worried that our friendship will deteriorate further, or that she may be in an unhealthy relationship.How can I help my friend while respecting her choices, and how do I address this issue without pushing her away or damaging our friendship?Sincerely,"Worried and Caring Friend"Check out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-03-worried-and-caring-friend/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dear Jack,I've been married to my husband for six years, and we've always had a strong connection. However, recently, our communication has taken a nosedive. We used to share everything, but now it feels like we're living parallel lives. We barely talk, and when we do, it's usually about mundane things like chores and groceries. I miss the deep conversations and the emotional connection we used to have.I've tried bringing up my concerns, but my husband just brushes them off or becomes defensive. I feel like we're drifting apart, and it's making me question the future of our marriage. What can I do to rekindle the emotional intimacy we once had and get us back on track?Sincerely,Lost and Confused WifeCheck out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-02-lost-and-confused-wife/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dear Jack,I find myself in a bit of a dilemma, and I'm not sure how to handle it. I've been dating someone for a few months, and we really hit it off. Recently, he dropped a bombshell on me by revealing that he's still married, but he's been separated from his spouse for over a year and is in the process of getting a divorce. He assured me that his marriage is over, and he's committed to a future with me. I like this person a lot, but I'm unsure about whether I should continue the relationship, given the complicated situation. What should I do?Sincerely, Confused DaterCheck out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastPodcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-dear-jack-01-confused-dater/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Check out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastOn November 5th in world history, several significant events have taken place. Here are a few notable ones:1605 - The Gunpowder Plot: On November 5, 1605, a group of conspirators led by Guy Fawkes attempted to blow up the British Parliament in what is now known as the Gunpowder Plot. Their plan was to assassinate King James I and install a Catholic monarch, but the plot was foiled, and Fawkes was arrested and executed. This event is commemorated in the United Kingdom as Guy Fawkes Night, also known as Bonfire Night.1872 - Susan B. Anthony's illegal vote: Suffragist Susan B. Anthony cast a ballot in the U.S. presidential election, despite women not having the right to vote at the time. She was subsequently arrested and fined $100, but her actions were a part of the broader women's suffrage movement.1917 - The Balfour Declaration: On November 5, 1917, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Walter Rothschild expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. This declaration had a significant impact on the establishment of the State of Israel.1940 - Franklin D. Roosevelt re-elected: In the United States, President Franklin D. Roosevelt was re-elected to an unprecedented third term in office, defeating Republican candidate Wendell Willkie in the presidential election.1994 - The world's longest tunnel: The Channel Tunnel, connecting the United Kingdom and France, was officially opened. This engineering marvel consists of three tunnels, with two rail tunnels and a service tunnel. It allows for transportation between the two countries via high-speed trains and vehicles.These are just a few historical events that happened on November 5th throughout history. There have been many more significant events on this date in various years and across different parts of the world.Podcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-this-day-in-world-history-november-5th/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/eaters/simian-samba/audrey-horne/https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Joplin/Piano_Rolls_from_archiveorg/ScottJoplin-RagtimeDance1906/https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Check out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastHere are some major world events from history that happened on November 4th:1922: Howard Carter's Discovery - British archaeologist Howard Carter discovered the entrance to King Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings in Egypt, leading to the eventual excavation of the tomb and the revelation of a treasure trove of ancient artifacts.1956: The Suez Crisis - British and French forces began their invasion of Egypt in response to Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser's nationalization of the Suez Canal. This crisis marked a significant moment in post-colonial history.1979: The Iran Hostage Crisis - Iranian militants stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 52 American diplomats and citizens hostage, leading to a protracted 444-day crisis that had significant international and political repercussions.1995: Yitzhak Rabin Assassination - Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli extremist after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. Rabin had been actively involved in peace negotiations with the Palestinians.2008: Barack Obama's Presidential Election - Barack Obama was elected as the 44th President of the United States. He became the first African American to hold the office, marking a historic moment in American politics.These events on November 4th have had a lasting impact on history, ranging from archaeological discoveries to major political and international incidents.Podcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-this-day-in-world-history-november-4th/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/eaters/simian-samba/audrey-horne/https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Joplin/Piano_Rolls_from_archiveorg/ScottJoplin-RagtimeDance1906/https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Check out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastHere are some significant historical events that happened on November 3rd throughout world history:1493 - Christopher Columbus first spotted the island of Dominica during his second voyage to the Americas.1534 - English Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy, making King Henry VIII the head of the Church of England.1903 - With the help of the Wright brothers, Samuel P. Langley's Aerodrome, an early attempt at powered flight, crashed into the Potomac River in the United States.1957 - The Soviet Union launched Sputnik 2, carrying the first living creature, a dog named Laika, into space.1964 - Lyndon B. Johnson was elected as the 36th President of the United States in a landslide victory over Barry Goldwater.1979 - A group of Iranian militants stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, taking 52 American hostages. The Iran Hostage Crisis would last for 444 days.1986 - The Lebanese magazine "Ash-Shiraa" revealed the existence of secret arms sales to Iran, leading to the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan administration.1992 - Democrat Bill Clinton was elected as the 42nd President of the United States, defeating incumbent President George H.W. Bush.2014 - One World Trade Center, the main building of the rebuilt World Trade Center complex in New York City, officially opened to the public.2016 - The Paris Agreement on climate change, which aims to limit global warming to well below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, entered into force.These are just a few historical events that have occurred on November 3rd. There are many more, covering a wide range of topics and time periods.Podcast Website:https://atozenglishpodcast.com/a-to-z-this-day-in-world-history-november-3rd/Social Media:Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/671098974684413/Tik Tok:@atozenglish1Instagram:@atozenglish22Twitter:@atozenglish22A to Z Facebook Page:https://www.facebook.com/theatozenglishpodcastCheck out our You Tube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCds7JR-5dbarBfas4Ve4h8ADonate to the show: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/9472af5c-8580-45e1-b0dd-ff211db08a90/donationsRobin and Jack started a new You Tube channel called English Word Master. You can check it out here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aXaXaMY4P2VhVaEre5w7ABecome a member of Podchaser and leave a positive review!https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-a-to-z-english-podcast-4779670Join our Whatsapp group: https://forms.gle/zKCS8y1t9jwv2KTn7Intro/Outro Music: Daybird by Broke for Freehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/Broke_For_Free/Directionless_EP/Broke_For_Free_-_Directionless_EP_-_03_Day_Bird/https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodehttps://freemusicarchive.org/music/eaters/simian-samba/audrey-horne/https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Joplin/Piano_Rolls_from_archiveorg/ScottJoplin-RagtimeDance1906/https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-a-to-z-english-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Check out The Jack & 'Chill Podcast here!http://atozenglishpodcast.com/episodeshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jack-chill-podcast/id1709902691https://redcircle.com/shows/the-jack-and-chill-podcastYou are a manager at your workplace, and you have two employees, Alice and Bob, who work on the same team. Alice is a very dedicated and hardworking employee, and she consistently goes above and beyond to meet deadlines and deliver exceptional results. Bob, on the other hand, has been struggling with his performance and frequently misses deadlines.One day, Bob comes to you and asks for a raise, citing his financial difficulties and the need to support his family. He feels that he deserves a raise because he's been with the company for a long time, even though his performance hasn't been up to par.You know that Alice has been doing an excellent job and deserves a raise as well. You only have the budget to give one raise at this time. You decide to give the raise to Alice because of her exceptional performance, but you don't inform Bob about her performance being the primary reason for your decision.Bob finds out about Alice's raise and feels very upset and unfairly treated. He confronts you and accuses you of being unfair and playing favorites. He argues that he's been loyal to the company for years, and Alice has only been with the company for a short time.So, the question is: Are you the jerk in this situation for giving the raise to Alice and not fully explaining your decision to Bob?00:00:00JackYou're listening to the A-Z English podcast.00:00:13JackWelcome to the A-Z English podcast. My name is Jack and I am here with three of my good friends, agnieska, Leila and Salimah.00:00:23JackAnd today we are going to do an MI, the jerk episode, and these are my favorites. I love doing these and let me read the situation to you guys 1st and then one by one I'll ask what your opinion is about the situation.00:00:39JackSo you are a manager at your workplace and you have two employees, Alice and Bob, who work on the same team.00:00:48JackAlice is a very dedicated and hardworking employee, and she consistently goes above and beyond to meet deadlines and deliver exceptional results. Bob's, on the other hand, has been struggling with his performance and frequently misses deadlines.00:01:08JackOne day, Bob comes to you and asks for a raise, citing his financial difficulties and the need to support his family. He feels that he deserves a raise because he's been with the company for a long time, even though his performance hasn't been.00:01:28JackUp to par.00:01:30JackYou know Alice has been doing an excellent job and deserves a raise as well. You only have the budget to give one raise at this time. You decide to give the raise to Alice because of her exceptional performance, but you don't inform Bob about her performance.00:01:51JackBeing the primary reason for your decision.00:01:55JackBob finds out about Alice's raise and feels very upset and unfairly treated. He confronts you and accuses.00:02:04JackYou of being.00:02:04JackUnfair and playing favorites, he argues that he's been loyal to the company for years, and Alice has only been with the company.00:02:15JackFor a short time. So the question is, are you the jerk in this situation for giving the raise to Alice and not fully explaining your decision to Bob?00:02:27JackAnd we'll start with Agnieszka first, what do you think is the manager the jerk?00:02:34AgnieszkaUh, for me? Yes, because he's creating, you know, this tension between cowork workers. I know he he did. He did the right thing because I think Alice is the one that deserve this.00:02:54AgnieszkaBut I think the best it was talk with Bob and tell him the the truth that he decided to.00:03:03AgnieszkaFor these reasons, and This is why he didn't get the raise. So it's better because when you have this environment in work, it's very difficult. Everybody's have a competition, have this feeling that they want to be the best and they really hate each other. So when they don't.00:03:23AgnieszkaWhen they they have these.00:03:25AgnieszkaThis competition, they they really, you know, feel that they deserve.00:03:29AgnieszkaThe thing so.00:03:30AgnieszkaIt's better to be clear and and have a.00:03:34AgnieszkaA good environment.00:03:35AgnieszkaBecause it's OK, let's get raised. But it's better if we if we tell him that. What is the reasons? So for me?00:03:43발표자OK.00:03:46JackSo he wasn't clear, he wasn't transparent.00:03:46발표자For me.00:03:49JackHe didn't explain it and so he created a situation of, like, tension between the workers. And so he is the jerk. OK, interesting this.00:04:00JackIs very interesting.00:04:01JackI I have my opinion, but I'm gonna wait till the end and and share it with you guys. But you're I'm on the same track as you.00:04:08SalimehOK.00:04:10JackUh, what do you think?00:04:12JackAbout this situation.00:04:15LaylaCould you just please remind me of the question because I couldn't hear Agnieszka, while she answered the question and as well as you, Jack, just remind me of the question please.00:04:26JackOh, no problem. So yeah, so the question is, is the manager the jerk for giving a raise to Alice?00:04:34JackAnd not explaining the situation to Bob because Bob didn't get the raise, and Agnieszka said yes, he's the manager. He's a jerk because the manager didn't explain the situation to Bob, but just gave it to Alice kind of secretly behind the.00:04:54JackThe curtain.00:04:55JackSo what do you think about the situation with who do you think is the jerk?00:04:58LaylaYes, honestly, I would like to say because there is a a manager right in the for for the company who raised the the how to say.00:05:17JackThe salary or the wages? Yeah.00:05:17LaylaThat will come for Alice, right?00:05:23LaylaOhh yeah, the the wages. So I think the manager is a little bit jerk because he or maybe she should explain that for Bob before raising the Alice.00:05:42JackOK.00:05:42LaylaBecause to give to give him the clear idea about what's happen.00:05:49LaylaAnd and why he or maybe she raised Alice instead of Bob in.00:05:57LaylaThis certain moment.00:05:59JackRight.00:06:00LaylaSo I.00:06:02JackYou agree with Agnieszka, then? Basically, yeah.00:06:02LaylaWhen when the manager didn't explain that.00:06:06LaylaTo to to.00:06:08LaylaYeah, yeah.00:06:09JackOK, OK. So.00:06:09LaylaAlthough I didn't hear her answer, but this is my answer so.00:06:10JackI think you.00:06:14JackYeah, yeah. You guys have the same answer, but I think you know, great minds think alike. So in this case you guys both came to the same conclusion that the manager should have.00:06:15LaylaWe are.00:06:25JackBlamed clearly to Bob why he gave the.00:06:29JackRace to Alice.00:06:30JackAnd not to Bob.00:06:33JackAnd so yeah, I think that's you guys have the similar conclusion. You came to the similar conclusion. But Celine, I'm kind of curious what do you think about the situation, do you agree with Leila and Agnieszka or do you have your?00:06:45JackOwn opinion about it.00:06:47SalimehNot really. I think the manager is not jerk because Alice is the one who is hard working person in that company in that office and she deserves that that.00:06:58SalimehRace, you know.00:06:59SalimehAnd the managers, you know, I know this situations, the manager is just human, you know.00:07:05SalimehSometimes they can't, you know.00:07:07SalimehWhere they can make a mistake like this situation. I know the manager should talk with Bob about the reason and she should be he.00:07:15SalimehOr she the manager.00:07:16SalimehShould be clear with employees, but the decision but the important things in this story is making the right decision. So I guess the manager is definitely not richer, but as Bob is the loyal because loyalty is one of the factors in the offices in the companies. So.00:07:37SalimehWell, if he's working for a long time for that company.00:07:40LaylaI I I think.00:07:41SalimehThe manager could give a loan. I don't know. Maybe from the salary in salary or not, but he should. You know, he he could give a loan to that person, Bob. And after that, you know, reduce the loan from his salary, you know, every month. You know, I I I would like to help you know.00:08:03SalimehTo Bob because he has difficulties with his life, so he could manage, you know, both. But yeah, this is my opinion.00:08:14JackInteresting. OK. Yeah. Or or maybe?00:08:17JackGive like half of a raise to.00:08:19JackWell, that's not really the the point of the am I the jerk is. You can't make these kinds of, you know, different arrangements. But maybe like half to Bob and half to Alice would be like the perfect solution.00:08:32SalimehNo, but I I guess you.00:08:34SalimehKnow you don't encourage your employees. If you do the half to the the employee that she can't, you know, work properly, he.00:08:42SalimehWork well, so I just the manager, you know, did the right thing, you know, because the managers should be the when they are making decisions, they have to be one or zero. I mean true or false. And this is the, you know, this is a great thing that the manager did.00:08:54JackRight.00:08:59JackRight. They have to make a decision, you know? That's right. You can't always be. You can't make everybody happy all the time.00:09:06JackThat's a good point.00:09:08JackOK, my I'm I'm I'm going.00:09:10JackIn like kind of different direction here I'm thinking.00:09:13JackBob is is, it's.00:09:15JackWorking in a company is like a marathon. When you first start, it's easy to be a hard worker. You know that first year, the second year, you're like, really.00:09:25JackYou know what can I do? What?00:09:26JackCan I do but after like?00:09:28JackFive years or 10.00:09:29JackYears. It's like that the last miles of a marathon. And that's what Bob is like in a different stage of the marathon. He's, like trying to finish the marathon, and Alice is just starting the marathon. And she looks so fresh and so, so bright. And so the manager is like.00:09:46JackLook at the shiny.00:09:47JackNew, you know, object look at this.00:09:49JackYou know, this is so nice and new and it's like, but Bob is like he's been there for a long time, just chugging away like a, you know, the hard worker. So I'm.00:10:01JackI kind of feel.00:10:02JackLike because Bob has been there longer, he deserves the raise. Even though Alice is a hard worker. If Alice is still a hard worker after like 5 or 10 years, then definitely she deserves a raise later. But I feel like Bob deserves the raise, so I'm I'm gonna say yes, the manager.00:10:23JackIs the jerk.00:10:25JackHe made the wrong decision. He went for the new shiny worker and he should have stuck with the loyal, you know, the loyal teammate, even though he's a little slow and a little.00:10:36JackEasy. I don't know what.00:10:37JackAm I wrong sling me? What do you think?00:10:39AgnieszkaIf I if Alice.00:10:41SalimehFound out that you already gave the raise to Bob, then maybe she lost the, you know, interest for working, for being the hard worker. So you know if you. So OK. I'm like, I'm Allison. I'm not gonna work for hard for this company because they don't deserve it.00:10:58SalimehYou don't, you know, give me the rates so.00:11:01JackThis is true, this is.00:11:02LaylaI I don't. Yeah, yeah.00:11:04JackOK, I can ask, what do you think? Is my argument good or is it? Is there a problem?00:11:09JackDo I have weaknesses?00:11:10AgnieszkaI I think you make a good argument also you.00:11:14AgnieszkaWant to lose if?00:11:16AgnieszkaThey do like that they want to lose, that he's a loyal maybe Alice. In two years that she decided to go and and Bob was the loyal worker. So.00:11:30AgnieszkaYeah, I I understand that. But also as a manager, I think one of the best thing for me when I see a manager is.00:11:39AgnieszkaHave create a good environment so he maybe he could have a he could take a decision, but a better decision like selling said maybe not everyone's happy, but maybe they what they deserve. So yeah, you'll understand.00:11:58JackI don't know. Yeah.00:11:59JackI feel like maybe Alice will become Bob. She just hasn't been there long enough.00:12:05JackEverybody becomes Bob eventually. If you work for a company, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe just Jack becomes Bob, like that's me. Like I just identify with Bob and I feel sorry for Bob because I've, you know, I'm like the same situation where you know, you've been at the same company for a long, long, long time.00:12:25JackAnd you just, you know, you. But it's like an old hard drive. You have a lot of information, you know, I know a lot about how it works. I know this the company, I know the situation. So I don't know. I'm just torn. I I feel like.00:12:41JackYeah, I don't know.00:12:42AgnieszkaThey should create a legal a loyal rate like like give a vote, but for being loyal.00:12:50JackYeah. The Bob.00:12:51JackGive him, like a yeah loyalty button.00:12:54JackSlime, please go.00:12:55JackAhead. What were you going to say?00:12:57SalimehNo, but the company should, you know, make money. So how they could, you know, make money?00:13:01발표자Right.00:13:04SalimehWith hard workers.00:13:04SalimehOK. Bob is loyal. Bob, have a lot of.00:13:06SalimehKnowledge and experience, and I know I respect for those experience, but if you cannot use those experience though, it's it's going to.00:13:15SalimehBe useless, you know.00:13:16SalimehBecause bug is just, you know.00:13:20SalimehI I guess in the story Bob is the one who know everything is loyal, but it's kind of tired of this job. So maybe we can't. We can't have. But in that position maybe maybe we have to think about, you know just changing the position.00:13:38SalimehI don't know.00:13:39JackI think you're right. I mean you're you're exactly right. That's all the companies really care about is making money. And if Bob's not making as much money as Alice Bob's out Alice is in. I mean, that's really how it how it comes, what it comes down to. So I think that's a a fair argument.00:13:55JackAnd and. All right. Well, thank you guys. You gave me a lot to think about. This is a really difficult one actually, because I don't know. I still feel sorry for Bob. So I'm kind of, I'm pro Bob right now.00:14:08SalimehOne more thing, Jack. It's about not making decision logically and emotionally, so I guess I'm not making decision just logically because I just.00:14:17SalimehYou know, pay attention for.00:14:18SalimehThe you know, care about the money, but I know about this, but yeah, so yeah, it's very difficult decisions to make.00:14:26JackYeah. And and.00:14:27JackI guess that's the the difficult part of a manager's job is like.00:14:31JackHow do you balance the emotional aspect of knowing Bob for longer and knowing that Bob has a family but Alice is making you more money because she's, you know, harder worker. She she, you know, she's just a better employee at this point in time. So yeah, it's it's.00:14:52JackI think the the cold, you know, the hard logical decision is the one that most companies want you to make and that's why I could never be a manager in a company like that because I don't have a stomach for it. I'm too emotional. I'm way too emotional. I.00:15:09JackCould do it and yeah, so I'm glad I don't have that job, but.00:15:15JackListeners out there let us know what you think. Send us a comment on this. Am I the jerk episode at AZ englishpodcast.com? Send me your emails either pro Bob or pro Alice. Which side are you on? 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