Podcasts about Mahi

durée : 01:04:02 - La Conversation littéraire - par : Mathias Énard - Alors que se tient le Festival du livre de Paris jusqu'au 13 avril, La Conversation littéraire de ce jour a lieu en direct du Grand Palais où vous pouvez nous retrouver au studio Radio France. Les lettres marocaines sont à l'honneur. - réalisation : Laure-Hélène Planchet - invités : Driss Ksikes Écrivain, dramaturge, chercheur.; Hajar Azell Romancière. ; Mahi Binnebine Peintre et romancier.

In today's conversation, Mahi Tadesse, founder and CEO of HallPax, offers an in-depth look at Africa's MICE sector. She discusses the vast opportunities the continent's business events sector presents for destinations and introduces the HallPax marketplace. According to Mahi, this new platform will help MICE stakeholders organize events seamlessly while providing vendors with opportunities to maximize their expertise

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.Obsessed with offshore fishing? Good, you will want to listen to this week's show, talking about lures and plugs used to target  Marlin, Tuna, Mahi & Wahoo. We get to speak with one of the founders and creators of Fathom Offshore (website), live from their warehouse in Wilmington NC, Mr. Brandon Carter.  Brandon, along with Andy Holcomb, are known for their hand crafter lures that are proven to entice those highly desirable pelagics to BITE!The two of them, along with Keith English, and Captain Matt Mauldwin, use the Click Through team fishing boat to bring things to life with real world testing of their lures in tournaments around the world!Show thumbnail photo credit goes to Christian Mauldwin with an epic 84 pound Wahoo caught on the Double O Large 14" Trolling Lure – Fathom Offshore Like Brandon said on the show, they pick  up the phone, they want to hear about your next fishing adventure and help you tailor a set of lures so that you can fish with confidence!  Call them today 910-399-6882 or email info@fathomoffshore.comIt's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts.  Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Long Bay Pointe Bait and Tackle Convert SolarShoreline PlasticsSam Rust Seafood Great Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCOAirmedcare Pure Flats

Immergez-vous dans l'univers de Mahi Binebine, peintre et écrivain majeur du Maroc contemporain, conteur des blessures collectives et bâtisseur d'espoir.Dans cet épisode exceptionnel, enregistré aux côtés d'Aïcha Akalay — amie d'enfance, femme brillante et ancienne rédactrice en chef de Telquel —, nous plongeons dans l'histoire intime et vibrante de Mahi.De son enfance marquée par l'absence, la résilience et des racines puissantes, à son ascension artistique internationale, Mahi Binebine nous livre ses clés créatives et intimes. Il nous parle de rigueur, d'inspiration, et de cette discipline presque monastique qui déconstruit le mythe de l'artiste bohème.Nous revenons sur ses œuvres majeures : Le Sommeil de l'esclave — ce livre qui m'a bouleversée enfant et dont je tire la citation à l'origine de cette série sur la transmission — et Les Étoiles de Sidi Moumen, qui a donné naissance à un projet culturel hors norme au Maroc : des centres artistiques dans les quartiers les plus défavorisés pour offrir un futur aux enfants des marges.Mahi évoque aussi son dernier livre La nuit nous emportera, et partage avec une sincérité rare ce qui traverse ses romans, ses toiles, et sa vie : la mémoire, la réconciliation, l'injustice, et l'espoir d'une société plus juste.Cet épisode, c'est une conversation à trois voix, entre amitié profonde, admiration sincère et questionnements sur la place de l'art et de la transmission dans nos vies.Préparez-vous à être ému, bousculé et inspiré.Timeline00:05:31 - 00:12:45 - Le parcours littéraire de Mahi Binebine et son mentor Agustin Gomez Arcos00:12:46 - 00:18:20 - L'histoire familiale de Mahi et son impact sur son œuvre00:18:21 - 00:25:15 - La création artistique et le rôle de l'artiste dans la société00:25:16 - 00:32:40 - Les centres culturels et l'engagement social de Mahi Binebine00:32:41 - 00:39:55 - Les défis et les victoires dans la gestion des centres culturels00:39:56 - 00:46:30 - La force intérieure et la motivation de Mahi Binebine00:46:31 - 00:58:45 - Conseils pour les aspirants écrivains et la discipline de l'écritureDistribué par Audiomeans. Visitez audiomeans.fr/politique-de-confidentialite pour plus d'informations.

When you think about a New Zealand delicacy, it's hard to go past a plump Bluff oyster. Whether they're eagerly plucked straight from the pottle or freshly shucked and served with champagne, bluffies are in high demand across the motu from March to August. But who's behind the hard mahi that helps get the salty taonga from the sea to the plate? Otago-Southland reporter Tess Brunton finds out.

Reach out to Troy: troy@clemsonrugby.comTopicsTroy Hall's Rugby JourneyStarted playing rugby at age 5 in New ZealandMoved to the USA, played for various clubs including White Plains and Old BlueSelected for USA Eagles in both 7s (2008) and 15s, playing until 2015Transitioned to coaching, including roles with Rugby Oregon and Oregon State Clemson Rugby Program DevelopmentTroy took over as Director of Rugby in 2020 during COVID-19Focused on building relationships, engaging players, and establishing a strong cultureIntroduced "Mahi" concept (meaning "to work hard") as a cornerstone of team cultureDeveloped a professional-like environment with dedicated facilities and support systems Player Development and RecruitmentLooks for players with resilience, fitness, and willingness to learnOffers individualized skill development and video analysisRuns a remote high-performance academy (Mahi) for holistic athlete developmentActively recruits through website and direct communication with Troy Clemson Rugby Foundation and Alumni NetworkFoundation supports operational needs, coaching, and field maintenanceRecently improved engagement through live streaming of gamesWorking on building a sustainable program with long-term staff and resources Rugby Schedule and StructureFall season focuses on 15s, typically 8-9 gamesSpring season dedicated to 7s, with 7-8 tournaments scheduled Next StepsCheck Clemson Rugby website (clemsonrugby.com) for updated recruitment informationConsider applying to Troy's Mahi high-performance program at hallconsultants.comReach out directly to Troy at troy@clemsonrugby.com for recruitment inquiriesLook out for potential Clemson Rugby visit to NorCal for recruitment and networking   worldrugbyshop.comrugbynorcal.org

Dans cet épisode captivant de "La Voix et Livre", le journaliste Nicolas Carreau reçoit l'artiste aux multiples talents, Mahi Binebine. Ce dernier se confie sur son parcours singulier, empreint d'un destin familial digne d'un roman de Shakespeare.Originaire du Maroc, Mahi Binebine raconte son enfance marquée par l'absence de son père, instituteur et poète, qui a quitté le foyer de manière abrupte. Son grand frère, officier militaire, devient alors la figure paternelle idéalisée par le jeune Samy, le narrateur du roman autobiographique de Mahi Binebine intitulé "La nuit nous emportera".Mais ce destin familial prend une tournure tragique lorsque le frère de Mahi Binebine participe à un coup d'État manqué contre la monarchie marocaine. Emprisonné pendant 18 ans, il disparaît mystérieusement, plongeant sa mère dans un désespoir absolu. Cette dernière, surnommée "Mamaya", continue d'espérer son retour, gardant une part de son repas quotidien pour lui.Au-delà de cette histoire familiale captivante, l'épisode explore également les multiples talents de Mahi Binebine, qui se révèle être un artiste accompli, peintre, plasticien et romancier. Il évoque notamment la création du Festival de littérature de Marrakech, qu'il a fondé afin de promouvoir la littérature africaine.À travers le récit de cette vie hors du commun, Nicolas Carreau et ses invités offrent aux auditeurs un voyage passionnant au cœur du Maroc, entre tragédie familiale et créativité artistique. Un épisode riche en émotions et en rebondissements, qui prouve que la réalité peut parfois dépasser la fiction.Notre équipe a utilisé un outil d'Intelligence artificielle via les technologies d'Audiomeans© pour accompagner la création de ce contenu écrit.

Mahi Binebine est romancier, peintre et sculpteur, auteur d'une œuvre majeure exposée dans le monde entier. Il a publié entre autres «Les Étoiles de Sidi Moumen», adapté au cinéma par Nabil Ayouch, «Le Fou du roi», traduit en dix langues, «Mon frère fantôme», Grand Prix Alain-Fournier 2024. À l'occasion de la publication de son nouveau roman «La nuit nous emportera» et de la 3ème édition du Festival de Littérature Africaine à Marrakech, grand entretien avec l'auteur à son domicile au Maroc.  "Un petit garçon frileux, une mère-courage, et un grand frère banni. Ce sont les personnages principaux de ce roman lumineux et tragique qui se déroule dans les ruelles sans soleil de Marrakech.Dans les ruelles sans soleil de Marrakech, il y a d'abord un petit garçon frileux qui s'éveille à la vie, caché dans les jupes de sa mère. Il y a surtout cette « mère-courage » qui affronte sans faiblir les misères du quotidien, et qui mène la maison seule parce que le mari a fichu le camp. Abel est là, Abel le grand frère bientôt officier, Abel qui égaye la tribu lors de ses trop rares permissions. Mais quand le roi est visé par l'armée, le Destin cible la famille.Un roman où bataillent l'instinct de survie, la gourmandise et la filouterie, les douleurs muettes et un amour maternel bouleversant." (Présentation des éditions Robert Laffont)

I detta avsnitt av Origopodden träffar vi Mahi Akter, socionom och författarinna till nyutgivna diktsamlingen ”De levande döda” i ett samtal om uppbrott, sorg och försoning. Hur är det att bli förskjuten av personerna som står dig närmast, när du bara vill vara den du är? Hur kan en sörja men även hitta kraft för att ta sig vidare och bygga ett nytt liv? Mahi läser upp några dikter som fångar känslor av sorg, längtan, kärlek men även ilska och framför allt rätten att återuppstå, åter stå upp. Du kan hitta diktsamlingen här.

Artiste marocain aux talents multiples, à la fois romancier et plasticien, il fait partie des rares artistes capables de maîtriser avec autant de brio divers médiums. Auteur d'une œuvre picturale majeure exposée dans le monde entier.

Ever feel like you're stuck in a cycle with food habits you can't seem to shake? In this live Q&A episode, we dive into how changing your identity is the key to lasting change.You'll learn why action-based goals (like swapping a food tradition for an activity) are more effective than vague outcomes (like "don't gain weight"). We'll explore how your habits shape your identity and why letting go of outdated rituals is essential for growth.Expect honest insights, actionable takeaways, and a refreshing perspective on why trusting yourself is the most powerful tool you have. If you're ready to do the Mahi (the work) and become someone who keeps their word to themselves, this episode is for you.Hit play and let's redefine your relationship with food—one action at a time. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. If you're ready to do whatever is required to succeed for your health goals, then book a free consult with our team to talk about making that a reality. https://fitwithplants.com/schedule-your-call-6

Si vous aimez "Dans les yeux d'Olivier", le podcast qui donne la parole à ceux qui ne l'ont jamais, laissez des étoiles et des commentaires sur votre plateforme d'écoute préférée !Wissem, 16 ans, a disparu en juillet 2019 alors qu'elle devait se rendre sur son lieu de travail. Rien ne laisse croire ses parents qu'il s'agit d'une fugue. Le téléphone de l'adolescente a été localisé pour la dernière fois à 50 kilomètres de chez elle. Un détail incompréhensible pour la famille de Wissem. Samira et Mahi alertent les autorités pour retrouver leur enfant, mais l'enquête est très lente. Ils prennent entament par eux-mêmes des recherches. Ils finiront pas la retrouver au bout de 3 ans grâce aux réseaux sociaux et à des sites spécialisés dans la prostitution… Samira et Mahi ont accepté de confier leur histoire dans cet épisode du podcast « Dans les yeux d'Olivier », produit par Europe 1 Studio. Crédits : Présentation : Olivier DelacroixProduction et rédaction : Raphaëlle MariatteRéalisation : Christophe Daviaud Promotion et distribution : Marie Corpet Graphisme : Cosa Vostra

Are you looking to learn more about how to rig ballyhoo? How to tie ballyhoo rigs yourself? How to catch more wahoo with ballyhoo? How to slow troll ballyhoo for wahoo? How to make titanium leader for ballyhoo rigs? How to have more set-ups for trolling wahoo and other fish species? In this episode of The Good Karma Sportfishing and Coaching Podcast I share one of my top notch blogs that I just wrote about How to Slow Troll for Wahoo Using Rigging Ballyhoo. The fishing blog about ballyhoo is very detailed and like nothing else out there. I include a lot of secret nuggets, fishing videos and things that I have learned fishing over the years to help you learn more about slow trolling with ballyhoo for wahoo, mahi mahi and tuna. You can use these ballyhoo rigging techniques in South Florida for fishing or in other parts of the world that have access to ballyhoo for fishing. I am going to be talking about brine secrets this week on my private community The Good Karma Rigging Crew 2.0. Knowing how to brine ballyhoo has been a big game changer for me over the years and yes there are brine secrets. Click below for more info and to join: https://goodkarmafishingtackle.com/co...  I cover a lot in this no fluff podcast video about how to use ballyhoo and troll for ballyhoo to catch more fish.  Click here to read it and learn these fishing tips now: https://goodkarmasportfishing.com/slo... I mentioned my stellar ballyhoo course- Ballyhoo Three Way online course. Here is the link so you don't miss it. https://www.goodkarmafishingtackle.co... Link for all my courses which will help you catch more fish without wasting time, money, and energy: https://www.goodkarmafishingtackle.co... I have some awesome fishing freebies too if you want to still fill your boots: https://www.goodkarmaconfidence.com/c... Ready to come to The FL Keys and catch some fish with me? Key Largo, Tavernier, Islamorada, Marathon. Email me at goodkarmaryan@gmail.com after checking out the rates on my website https://www.goodkarmasportfishing.com

Come and listen while Host Heather Driedger interviews extraordinary people on Smile, there's on Oil for that Podcasts only on the Divas That Care Network.  How exciting to have my second interview with guest Keli'ikanoe Mahi of the Big Island of Hawaii.  As Collective 25 Members Bonnie Erbe and myself have the privilege of hosting a doTERRA leader led Co-Impact Sourcing Trip for Hawaiian Sandalwood and Naio Wood at Kealakekua Mountain Reserve January 20-25, 2025.  Keli'ikanoe Mahi the Executive Director – (Hiki Ola) and I have been communicating and planning this trip for a year.  I am thrilled to have her share the magic of Kapalina and the details of our 5 Night Stay in January.  Keliʻikanoe Mahi was born and raised on Oʻahu.  She attended Kamehameha Schools, a school for children of Hawaiian ancestry.  She earned her degree in Hawaiian Studies with a focus on the Hawaiian language from the University of Hawaiʻi at Hilo.  Keliʻikanoe received her teaching license in Secondary Education and taught Hawaiian language as a subject and also taught through the medium of Hawaiian in the State of Hawaiʻi Department of Education for 22 years.  During her time as a teacher, she earned her Masters in Educational Counseling.  She served as the Principal of Ke Kula ʻo ʻEhunuikaimalino, K-12 a Hawaiian language immersion school before making the recent career change to the non-profit world.  She has been the Director of Hiki Ola since 2020.  Keliʻikanoe loves expanding education beyond the classroom by bringing students of all ages up to the Native Hawaiian forest at Kealakekua Mountain Reserve through Hiki Ola's educational engagement program.  She enjoys perpetuating the Hawaiian language and culture in any way possible.  hikiola.org

This week, Ohio walleye savant Ross Robertson gets salty at the mall and stings sheep with his sharp wit, we almost wind up in jail for being too nice to a drunk gambling addict, treat a tuna run like the countdown to Chernobyl , and reach for some striper stars at an Atlantic City comedy hour. 

Navarātri is never quite complete until we all get together and chant the Mahiṣāsura-Mardinī Stotram! This hymn is sometimes attributed to Adi Shankarācharya (as many, many hymns in the Sanskrit tradition tend to be) but it is also sometimes attributed to Rāvana, the antagonist of the Ramāyana! I like the second account much better for reasons I get into in the beginning of this discussion! After discussing the "bhāva" of this song (and making a case for "rajas in the service of sattva" while we're at it), we discuss Rāga Bhairava and some music theory before taking a stab and singing the hymn together. I made many, many mistakes and my rendition: I hope you can forgive me! Also, I made a mistake in saying Raga Bhairavi is a "night time rāga". Actually it's considered the "queen of the morning rāgas" but since I worship Mā usually at night and since I hear it most around then and also since it is sometimes used to close out a musical performance (which for me usually ends at night), I somehow made the association between this Rāga and the nighttime. Whoops, pardon the misinformation!All my mistakes are entirely mine and everything that I have said that is helpful is by the Grace of Guru! Jai Guru Kripa Ki Jai!For more detailed Kali puja instructions, watch this playlist:https://www.patreon.com/collection/233799Here's the chanting document:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N1pEDmWZWdJq5Q27dGiZb9DQFrr1Ouq2FC85jIwQ66c/edit?usp=sharingLectures happen live every Monday at 7pm PST and Friday 10am PST and again Friday at 6pm PST.Use this link and I will see you there:https://www.zoom.us/j/7028380815For more videos, guided meditations and instruction and for access to our lecture library, visit me at:https://www.patreon.com/yogawithnishTo get in on the discussion and access various spiritual materials, join our Discord here: https://discord.gg/U8zKP8yMrMSupport the show

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Russ Kostinas aboard Top Notch Charter Fishing out of Rudee Inlet in Virginia Beach. Russ and team recently caught several billfish, a few tunas and several Mahi, including a remarkable 300+ pound Blue Marlin that they harvested due to the fish expiring during the fight. To contact and book: visit their website, call 757-681-8068 or email TopNotchCharterFishing@gmail.comNext, we meet a new Captain, Robbie Bryan with Reel Release Sportfishing. He shares about their recent wreck fishing trips as well as a remarkable story of catching a 53” cobia on a diamond jig 35 miles offshore in 110 feet of water! If that wasn't exciting enough, he shares about an incredible site just off the beach when some juvenile great white's were tearing up a giant school of red drum! To get booked for an adventure with Captain Robbie, visit Reel Release Booking or call 757-705-1366     Next we talk to Captain CL Marshall, with Tangier Sound Charters as well as Captain Matt with Sea Hawk Sports Center | Pocomoke City MD about what is going with the changing season and temp changes. The team at Sea Hawk does anything and everything from Trolling motors to rod repair. Captain Marshall runs a Mako 231 with a brand new Suzuki on the back and a trolling motor up front, his charter is great for anglers that want to be in on the action, casting and reeling fish in. Contact 410-251-7341 to book a trip.It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarSam Rust Seafood Great Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCOAirmedcare Saltsgone

Whenever we think of the Goddess Durgā, the image that almost invariable comes to mind is of Her standing on her lion of Dharma with Her right foot, stepping on a buffalo with Her left foot and, spear in hand, stabbing the mustachioed villain-turned-devotee through the heart, an otherworldly smile on Her beautiful face. This image of Mā is called Mahiṣāsura-mardinī (The Slayer of the Buffalo Demon) and it is the central story of the Devī Māhātmyam in the sense that it is (a) literally, in the middle of the text, the "Madhya carita" and (b) most commonly referenced in Śākta literature and iconography. There is just something so very compelling and so very ancient about this image! We see parallels in the image of Archangel Michael stepping on the head of the serpent with sword or spear in hand. What exactly is being depicted here?In this video, we chant Chapters 2-4 of the Devī Māhātmyam to enter into the gory and lurid story in which this scene appears. As we chant and read out the translations from Swami Jagadishwaranandaji, we also offer some commentary and explanation exploring the deeper, subtler meanings of the narrative. This was arguably the "main event" in our celebration together online!In the coming Monday evening satsangh, we will chant the Mahiṣāsura-mardinī Stotram together, Mā willing!Jaya Jaya He Mahiṣāsura Mardini Ramya Kapārdini Śaila Sute! For more detailed Kali puja instructions, watch this playlist:https://www.patreon.com/collection/233799Lectures happen live every Monday at 7pm PST and Friday 10am PST and again Friday at 6pm PST.Use this link and I will see you there:https://www.zoom.us/j/7028380815For more videos, guided meditations and instruction and for access to our lecture library, visit me at:https://www.patreon.com/yogawithnishTo get in on the discussion and access various spiritual materials, join our Discord here: https://discord.gg/U8zKP8yMrMSupport the show

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Bill Pappas, with Playin Hookey Charters | Virginia Beach VA, he talks about the recent Mahi, Seabass and flounder bite as well as shares about his recipe for Tahi Macos, 5.1 star version! To get booked: Playin Hookey Boooking  Next we talk with Dave Gill - stripah_snipah and his first mate aka wife Shawna Gill - baylifebreezes about their incredibly rare encounter and catch, of a Lower Chesapeake Bay Tarpon! We also discuss their roles as environmental professionals and sustainable fishing practices, great conversation with truly passionate fishermen! (and women!)  For the inshore report, we talk with the Cobia Killer, Captain Aaron Beatson. He shares wisdom and tips on how to target Speckled Trout, Red Drum & Flounder in the inshore waters of both NC and VA. He shares about his passion for the community and how he is helping out by putting together the 1st annual Katlyn ‘Inshore Slam' fishing tournament to help raise awareness and funds for the Halo project. Presented in partnership with Long Bay Pointe Bait & Tackle and Brady with To learn more: Event Information & to register: Click to registerIt's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarSam Rust Seafood Great Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

Gedit, Gedit Friday! It's that time of the week Shifters... Well done for getting stuck into another week of Mahi and doing the dishes!... The boys listen to an interesting piece on the different ways deal with love... Let us know your thoughts. What is a fact that makes so much sense when you hear it but will make you feel dumb for not knowing it... and a snippet of Matua sitting down with Māori Language Commission CE Ngahiwi Apanui-Barr - The full chat is up now! Stay safe this weekend team, Check on your people, Check on yourself! See you next week. Hit that link below to stay caught up with anything and everything TMS. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3394787437503676/ We dropped some merch! Use TMS for 10% off. Here is the link: https://youknow.co.nz/collections/tms-merch-v2 Thank you to the team at Chemist Warehouse for helping us keep the lights on, here at The Morning Shift... https://www.chemistwarehouse.co.nz/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mahi, chilly bin and waka jumping, are among the selection of New Zealand terms added to the Oxford dictionary this week. Maori language advocates are welcoming the inclusion of Te Reo phrases like tikanga and kapa haka. But one new addition, Aotearoan, has not met universal approval, Felix Walton reports.

On The South Florida Roundup, we examined the controversial body camera footage that's gripped our community. What does last Sunday's traffic stop involving Miami Dolphins star Tyreek Hill remind us about our police – and ourselves (01:11)? We also looked at some new WLRN reporting on what climate change is doing to the mahi mahi we so much love to catch and eat (20:45). And we discussed the deplorable lie Donald Trump and his campaign spread about Haitians in Ohio that resonates here (34:59).

In this episode, Mahi catches up with her former teammate, Alexis Woodson. Alexis has recently made the move from Cal State Stanislaus to Cal Poly Pomona. She discusses the challenges and experiences of transferring, both in college and high school. Alexis also shares her goals for the upcoming season both on and off the court.  Link to Amrita Bars: https://www.amritahealthfoods.com/MAHI71213 Check out the She Can Ball Socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/she.can.ball Twitter: https://x.com/shecanballpod?lang=en TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@she.can.ball?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PFpT1VU19JNSnMW4bpGfZ?si=8bc85e29648149eb

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Russ Kostinas aboard Top Notch Charter Fishing out of Rudee Inlet in Virginia Beach. This past week, the Top Notch caught several billfish and Mahi, including a remarkable 600+ pound Blue Marlin, by some retired Navy Seals. To contact and book: visit their website, call 757-681-8068 or email TopNotchCharterFishing@gmail.com  Captain Austin Hayne (Finao Sportfishing) gives us a report on recent Cobia fishing, as PODS of fish as they start to stage up for their migration. We also talk about a wild ride on September 3rd, during a NE blow with 5 foot waves at short intervals, while aboard the Fathom Offshore Team fishing boat, ‘Clickthrough'. Despite impossible sea and wind conditions, we managed to find and catch them! Captain Austin is an expert in overcoming challenges and making it happen, call to book 757-530-4009 or visit: Finao Sportfishing This week we talk with retired Navy Senior Chief, Captain Andy Sutter, owner and operator of Freedom Boat Club of Hampton Roads. #MoreAwaits when you join the boat club and the experience is completely hassle free. You'll receive unlimited training and spend zero time on maintenance or cleaning. Members can also take advantage of reciprocity, meaning, plan your vacation around the country or the globe, and take advantage of getting on the water while on your vacation!It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarSam Rust Seafood Great Days OutdoorsAirMedCareHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

'We are servants to our king' - that's the message from more than 500 Waikato Tainui descendants doing the mahi at Tuurangawaewae Marae. Māori news editor Taiha Molyneux gives us a glimpse of what's going on behind the scenes.

The TEC Talk Podcast is super excited to invite Rick Hester to the show! Rick joins us to talk about the journey that brought him to his current role as Curator of Behavioral Husbandry at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo, the important ways his understanding of training and behavior were moved ahead by formative experiences with both NEI and Dr Susan Friedman, his exciting recent work exploring the concept of "free operants" with a variety of earthlings, and to share some thoughts about how he is able to keep a lot of plates spinning in his life in a way that is both hard AND reinforcing.  If you have a shout-out you'd like us to share, a question or a topic you'd like us to discuss, or a suggestion for a guest we should have on the show, let us know at podcast@naturalencounters.com!  

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Russ Kostinas aboard Top Notch Charter Fishing targeting Sailfish, White Marlin and Mahi out of Rudee Inlet in Virginia Beach. To contact and book: visit their website, call 757-681-8068 or email TopNotchCharterFishing@gmail.comNext we dive into a cobia and red drum, along with safe boat operation in rought weather, talking with Captain Travis Kemp and Foolproof Sportfishing. We talk about what's happening out in the Lower Chesapeake Bay for the sight casting, a recent placing in the King o' Ling tournament, and what's coming up with Speckled Trout season. Contact Captain Travis to book: 252-435-5967Next we talk to Captain CL Marshall, with Tangier Sound Charters, about all things puppy drum fishing, he shares several tips and tricks on how to best target these fish. Captain Marshall runs a Mako 231 with a brand new Suzuki on the back and a trolling motor up front, his charter is great for anglers that want to be in on the action, casting and reeling fish in. Contact 410-251-7341 to book a trip.Lastly, we catch up with Jeni Ohmsen, with @shutterspeedva about her inspiration to start taking photos of captains and anglers in the Lower Chesapeake Bay while they are on the hunt fishing! She was also there to photograph the recent VB Spanish Mackerel Tournament as well as this past week's King o' Ling Cobia tournament.  It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Bill Pappas Jr. onboard Playin Hookey Charters | Virginia Beach VA talking about their recent trips targeting Mahi. Coming up, they are targeting seabass, flounder and maybe some Tog. Whether you have a group or want to get signed up for the walk-on opportunities, find them on the socials or book on the web at Playin Hookey Charters or call 757-619-3530Next, we meet a new contributor, Captain Josh Bourne, aboard Wingman Guide Service | Virginia Beach VA and get familiar with his boat, specialty and what they offer. Primarily site fishing and chumming for Cobia, they also catch big redfish and even target striped bass up in Maryland waters in the fall. Contact them on IG Wingman Guide Service (@wingmanguideservice) • Instagram photos and videos or call 910-467-6410 to get booked.Lastly, we talk with Mike Robey, founder of Hooked on Hope VB. This foundation gives families a glimpse of hope and a break from the daily challenges of fighting cancer. Saturday, August 10th, is the VB Mackerel Tournament which benefits the pediatric cancer community. Join Mike and the team to support in any way possible. Donate at: Go Fund Me - Hooked on Hope or contact to get involved 757-392-4943.  Check out the King o' Ling Cobia tournament, Sunday August 18th. Hosted by Long Bay Pointe Bait and Tackle | Virginia Beach VA - enjoy a 100% payout, all details here- King o' Ling - Cobia Tournament It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

"Instead of the Mahi-Mahi, can I get just one Mahi, because I'm not that hungry?" We watched "The House Bunny", from 2008, with our friend Justin Allison and we want to pledge Zeta! The early aughts were a time the Playboy brand was definitely having a moment and Anna Faris and the filmmakers really capitalized on the wave Hef and the bunnies were riding. Mall stores were marketing the bunny to children, "The Girls Next Door" were riding high on E! and "The House Bunny" had us cackling. We may take a few detours to remember Holly, Bridget and Kendra, but we promise it's all to serve our conversation of this movie. Anna Faris herself channeled Bridget's look (and some mannerisms) in her portrayel of Shelley, the down on her luck Playmate in search of meaning in her life. Anna sets the comedic bar very high in this one and everyone in this cast is really pulling off the comedy. Early outings from double oscar winner Emma Stone and Kat Dennings really show off their comedic talents and all the Zetas are so much fun to watch. The gang at Adam Sandler's Happy Madison Productions really pull off a "girl's comedy" without punching down - which is refreshing coming from such a bro-centric group. You can tell they were really just about finding the funny and for us - they found it. "The House Bunny" is utterly quoteable to this day and Anna Faris deserves all of her flowers for this killer performance.  Thanks for listening and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts! www.patreon.com/moviesthatmadeusgay Facebook/Instagram: @moviesthatmadeusgay Twitter: @MTMUGPod Scott Youngbauer: Twitter @oscarscott / Instagram @scottyoungballer Peter Lozano: Twitter/Instagram @peterlasagna

Mahi Klowsterhalfen from Albert Swieitzer Foundation brings us exciting progress for animals in Germany. Mahi walks us through his work on cage-free, broilers and also now fish and shrimps and why Germany seems to be one of very few countries where meat consumption per capita is declining. We also dive into some thought provoking questions around running an organisation and why as a movement leader, sharing of mistakes is so important. Super interesting chat from a really knowledgeable long-term member of this space - well worth a listen. Relevant links to things mentioned throughout the show:Podcast: Feedback FormFundamental Wellbeing Foundation 45 Days to AwakeningFreeleticsAlbert Schweitzer Stiftung SiteWebsite in EnglishJosh Balk episode on shareholder advocacy The Leadership Exchange - Liana Paris LinkedInLidl lowering the cost of plant-based products Declining meat consumption in Germany Agency vs scarcity article Radical Candour book Animal Welfare League post on FAST ForumAVA Summit Talk (not yet live but will be hosted here)00:00:00:00 | Intro00:08:09:13 | Progress with retailers and producers00:17:47:13 | Lower welfare fresh meat by 2030.00:24:42:09 | Results of legal actions by the Foundation00:42:26:01 | Meat tax that might finance animal welfare improvements00:50:05:11 | Public opinion of animal welfare in Germany00:57:47:11 | Future plans and campaigns00:59:07:17 | Mistakes that Leaders make01:11:17:02 | How to be a better Leader?01:16:26:02 | Closing questionsIf you enjoy the show, please leave a rating and review us - we would really appreciate it! Likewise, feel free to share it with anyone who you think might enjoy it. You can send us feedback and guest recommendations via Twitter or email us at hello@howilearnedtoloveshrimp.com. Enjoy!

On this episode we talk about Tim' s extended Alaskan Salmon ADventures. Tanner gets some dolphin and hogfish in Miami.

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Russ Kostinas aboard Top Notch Charter Fishing targeting Tuna and Mahi out of Rudee Inlet in Virginia Beach. To contact and book: visit their website, call 757-681-8068 or email TopNotchCharterFishing@gmail.comNext we dive into some artificial reef fishing and cobia sight fishing inside the bay with Captain Colt North with Litigator Sportfishing. We discuss how he targets sheepshead and flounder, cobia and spanish mackerel. We even hear a few stories about a rare virginia Triple Tail. To get out for a variety of species nearshore with Captain Colt, visit their social media channels, call 757-345-9698 or email litigatorsportfishing@gmail.com The final report is with Captain Eric Meyers aboard Heads N Tails Charters, diving into the Lynnhaven Inlet fishery, talking about topwater for puppy drum and targeting flounder with jigs. Captain Eric shares a few trade secrets, including the art of getting ‘un-snagged' without losing your lure or having to move the boat. Whether you want to get out on the bay, offshore or target inshore species, contact him by visiting Heads N Tails Booking Site or calling him at 757-573-9569.   During our what did you learn segment, we discuss important boat safety, sharing wisdom and advice from a captain who experienced a capsizing event during a recent tournament, no fish is worth your life, prioritize safety, wear your PFD and kill switch lanyard! here is a link to a wearable option that won't get in the way of fishing or make you hot: Manual Inflatable Belt Pack PFD It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:Convert SolarGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

Sip, share, shape our podcast!It's hot in Texas so what better way to beat the heat than to take a trip to visit wineries in Marlborough. New Zealand that is. The Marlborough wine region is booming and going beyond Sauvignon Blanc. Cellar doors offer tastings and tours of some of the best wines from NZ. The family estate of Te Whare Ra is our stop on today's episode just a minute drive outside of Blenheim.  If you think New Zealand wine is a one-trick pony, tune in as Anna Flowerday takes us on a tour of aromatic whites from Pinot Gris to Gewurztraminer. In the cellar door overlooking Te Whare Ra's vineyards, Anna guides us through their thoughtfully curated collection of wine. We start with Rosé and finish with Pinot Noir, but the aromatic whites in between may just be the stars of the show.  In addition to Te Whare Ra, we visited legendary wineries from Cloudy Bay to Mahi in the Blenheim area of the Wairau Valley. Marlborough wineries should be on your wine tours and travel wish list. And don't forget the other wine regions of New Zealand from Central Otago and Canterbury in the south to Hawke's Bay and Auckland in the north. Each winery is unique and has its own story to tell about New Zealand wine. And the food you'll find takes everything next level!Happy 4th of July and don't forget to let us know how much you're enjoying every episode by COMMENTING on your fave podcast platform! Thanks for joining Somm Women Talk Wine! Check out our socials for more fun filled wine exploration!Instagram:@somm_women_talk_wine@kristiwinenerd@charissehenryfw@kmayfield109All episodes are also on our website:SommWomenTalkWineCharisse and Kristi

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Bill Pappas Jr. onboard Playin Hookey Charters | Virginia Beach VA talking about their experience in the VB Tuna tournament, how they target Tuna and Mahi, and then we spend some time learning about the ‘Tahi Macos' recipe, a fun twist on the classic fish taco, which sounds delicious! book on the web at Playin Hookey Charters or call 757-619-3530Next we talk to Captain CL Marshall, with Tangier Sound Charters diving into several species, like speckled trout, red, black drum, flounder, cobia & striper. Captain Marshall runs a well equipped Mako 231 with a brand new Suzuki on the back and a trolling motor up front, his charter is great for anglers that want to be in on the action, casting and reeling fish in. Contact 410-251-7341 to talk about what's biting and book your trip for the whole family, friends or corporate retreat.The final report is with Captain Chris Ludsford with Pleasure House Oysters - ‘Lynnhaven on the Half Shell'. Captain Ludsford shares incredible insights into the rich history of the story that the waters of this great inlet tell. We discuss oyster farming and his tour experience complete with local oysters, wine and seafood. If you want to experience all that the Lynnhaven River has to offer, visit Pleasure House Oysters to find out more and book an experience you won't soon forget. Contact Chris at 757-663-6970 The 2024 Monarch Cobia Classic- July 11-13th, become a Sponsor OR register your team now! Learn more at: ODU Alumni - Monarch Cobia Classic 2024 Monarch Cobia Classic ODU Alumni AssociationIt's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!Sponsors:FishbitesGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Zach Castro with (web) Knot Tuggin Sportfishing & (FB) Knot Tuggin Facebook for the Offshore report targeting Tuna and mahi and talking about his 3rd place finish in the 2024 VB TUNA TOURNAMENT. Captain Zach provides some tips and tricks to use when targeting Tuna and Mahi. Contact: (757) 685-6873Captain Richard Wasdin with ReelBlessed Sportfishing Charters brings us a nearshore report talking about how he targets Cobia, croaker, round head, red drum and flounder and techniques chumming for cobia. He describes his flounder setup and how to keep the bite once hooked up. He operates ReelBlessed Sportfishing Custom Fishing Rods building rods to cover several different species. Contact Captain Richard at 757-602-6303 or email reelblessedfishing@yahoo.com Lastly, we talk to Tye Griffith, a veteran fly fisherman representing Seven Fly Seven, fishing the Lower Chesapeake Bay area, Florida and Hawaii. He talks about his experiences catching Cobia and Red drum on the fly, the importance of good communication, thoughtful boat layout and more! For a local fly guide, contact Captain Chris Newsome with Bay Fly Fishing, LLC Bay Fly Fishing Instagram 804-815-4895 chris@bayflyfishing.com. For an adventure in Tampa Florida, check out Tampa Fly Fishing Guide - Ethan Kiburz or for Hawaii, Hawaii on the Fly.  The 2024 Monarch Cobia Classic- July 11-13th, become a Sponsor OR register your team now! Learn more at: ODU Alumni - Monarch Cobia Classic 2024 Monarch Cobia Classic ODU Alumni AssociationSponsors:FishbitesGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton'sRealtime-NavigatorAFTCO

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On this episode Tims tells us about a moderately successful offshore trip and Tanner get on his first Mahi bite of the season.

Greg Hess and Jon Mackey stop back for a Grade A good time. Come see us on the east coast this week!!  Check out Greg's new Podcast Get it to Dutch!  Greg and Mega on Instagram! Check out ⁠⁠ManDog on YouTube! Check out ⁠⁠BigGrandeWebsite.com⁠⁠! Check out ⁠⁠Big Grande⁠⁠ on Youtube! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mandogpod/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mandogpod/support

Watch the video version of our Hang Out as a Patreon exclusive from 1$. This is the best way to support our work!   Welcome to Khandaan: A Bollywood Podcast where you can listen to our catch-up livestream on YouTube. As always we covered a large range of subjects and we're happy to have the listeners chime in. We hope to do more of these going forward. We discussed Kabir Khan's CHANDU CHAMPION starring Kartik Aaryan and MR AND MRS MAHI starring Rajkumar Rao and Jahnavi Kapoor. We also caught up on AAVESHAM starring Fahadh Faasil and Kunal Khemu's MADGAON EXPRESS.   00:00 Introduction and casual banter 02:17 Thoughts on different cities 09:09 Movie review: Aavesham 16:15 Movie review: Madgaon Express 27:02 Malayalam films with strong female characters 28:19 Reference to Joy Mukherjee and Love in Tokyo 34:05 Questioning the Plot of 'Chandu Champion' 36:09 Mixed Feelings about 'Mr. and Mrs. Mahi' 41:46 Lack of Excitement for Upcoming Movies 45:40 Discussion of 'Sarfarosh' Sequel 49:27 Remastered Version of 'Manthan' 57:33 The Impact of Manthan and Crowdfunding 01:00:32 Favorite Songs 01:01:44 The Mystery of Salman Khan 01:02:11 Fashion Choices and Aesthetics Shownotes: Chandu Champion Trailer Mr and Mrs Mahi Trailer Aavesham Teaser Madgaon Express Trailer Our appearance on Manish Mathur's first Bollywood Draft episode can be found here     Follow us on Socials: Amrita, Sujoy, Asim YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok Sujoy's Instagram  Amrita's YouTube Book Channel- Amrita By The Book You can listen to Khandaan- A Bollywood Podcast episodes on the following apps: Apple Podcast Spotify Jio Saavn Deezer Audible Amazon Music Omny iHeart TuneIn    

The Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report is your best resource for the Virginia Beach Fishing Report, Ocean View Fishing Report, Norfolk Fishing Report, Lynnhaven Inlet Fishing Report, and everywhere in between.For the anglers looking for an Eastern Shore Fishing Report, Hampton fishing report, Buckroe Beach Fishing Report, or York River fishing report, look no further. Every week we bring you a report for those anglers interested in a Cape Charles fishing report and a Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel fishing report and for every location in the Lower Chesapeake Bay. For our guys looking for the Virginia fishing report, we've got you covered.This week we're talking to Captain Jake Boltz with Fly N Fish Sportfishing for the offshore report targeting Yellowfin Tuna, Wahoo, Marlin, Mahi, Seabass, spadefish and flounder. Captain Jake talks about how they combine technology with their knowledge on the water to find the right water to target their desired species. He also talks about the tackle and strategies they use while offshore.Captain Austin Hayne with FINAO Sportfishing brings us a report on the Striped Bass and Bluefish action that has been happening at night near the mouth of the rivers and inside the Chesapeake Bay, we talk about the key elements he looks for to put together a successful trip. He discusses lure type, rod/reel setup and line size that he uses while targeting stripers. The final report is also with Captain Austin Hayne, he talks about a recording early season Cobia and Red Drum bite that he experienced off the coast of Virginia Beach as those fish start their migration north into the Chesapeake Bay. He talks about what size and color jigs he likes to use, how to work that lure to get a bite and a few big fish stories from their adventure.With the fishing season heating up, it is critical to take care of your boat's safety and maintenance items before heading out on that next fishing trip. Local expert Brad Herndon with Oyster Cove Boatworks, gives us his top 5 list for both safety and maintenance items that all boaters should take care of before starting their season.It's all brought to you whether it's good, bad, or ugly. Please subscribe, rate, and review wherever you listen to podcasts. Remember to text the word “LCBFR” to to 779-435-2918 or visit us online at www.greatdaysoutdoors.com/lcbfr to be added to our email list and we'll send you the new show each week! All Lower Chesapeake Bay Fishing Report Email Subscribers receive a PROMO CODE for a FREE AFTCO Camo Sunglasses Cleaner Cloth with the purchase of any products!FishbitesGreat Days OutdoorsKillerDockHilton's Realtime-NavigatorAFTCO

Misty Wells is proud to be a Florida Native, born and raised in her hometown of Clearwater, Florida. Misty is host and producer on TV Show “Let's Take it Outside” that is now airing on 9 networks worldwide to millions of viewers include the Discovery Channel and Discovery GO. Misty is the 1 st female host of an outdoor show on Fox Sports and continues to be one of the fastest growing Outdoor TV show in the US. Misty is also an avid and award winning “outdoor writer” her articles and column have appeared in the Tampa Bay Times, Woods n Water, Coastal Angler, Field & Stream and Sunseekers magazine to name a few. Misty has also won numerous awards such as Amplify Stellar Award-Hospitality Hero, FOWA Youth Conservation Award, Golden Star Award FSYR, and is currently nominated for a Telly and Emmy Award for her work on “Let's Take it Outside”. Misty serves on the Board's of many organizations, leads the charge in outdoor conservation and education in the State of Florida. Misty has been called upon from leaders such as Congressmen, Governors and State Officials to participate in State conservation programs, education and youth leadership. Misty is a profound public speaker in the realm of Outdoor Adventure Travel, Conservation and Youth Education. Misty is an Outdoor Pro for Bass Pro Shops and an Official Educator for the IGFA. Misty has spoken at the Florida Governor's Conference, Outdoor Travel Writers Association, Florida Travel Writers Association and numerous outdoor expo's and shows. Misty has been called upon by Congressman David Jolley to serve on his Conservation Education Board, her local Chamber of Commerce and Destination Management Organization for Pinellas County, Visit St Pete Clearwater. Misty has spoken several times and given interactive lectures at the Visit Florida, Florida Governor's Conference on the economic growth & impact of Outdoor Adventure Travel. Misty shares her Adventures with her 2 amazing children, son Brennan Wells who served in the United States Coast Guard and daughter Hudson who served in the United States Navy, “my children will always be my Greatest Adventure and Achievement”. Misty's commitment to children does not stop with her own, in 2014 Misty started “A Reel Future” a non-profit created to take children in Foster Care fishing and teach them about the Outdoors and Conservation. Misty has personally taken over 3,800 Foster Children fishing all over the United States since 2014 and she not stopping anytime soon. “If we are not there to teach these parentless children the love and passion for the outdoors, then who will?” www.areelfuture.com Misty has forged a trail for young women to follow, paving the way for the next generation of outdoor lovers regardless of gender, age and experience. She opens the door to the outdoors for all to enjoy, feel comfortable and learn. Misty is fighting the battle of equality in her field and as you may guess it can be a lonely journey and sometime a solo fight for inclusion. Misty takes you to exotic locations from Panama, Guatemala, Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands, and the Bahamas fishing for Sailfish, Wahoo, Tuna, Mahi, and Marlin. She is no stranger to the Inshore and Offshore scene catching everything from Tarpon, Snook, Redfish, Trout, Triple Tail, Kingfish, Snapper and Monster Grouper. “Let's Take it Outside” with Misty Wells will take you on “Your Bucket List Adventures” from Fishing Cayman Islands, White Water Rafting in North Carolina, Whitetail Hunting in Alabama to Python Hunting in the Florida Everglades. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in on today's podcast with Josh and special guest Mahi Crabbe as they share their childhood traumas of growing up without a father, their parenting methods with their children now, and how Mahi is now a mentor to guide men in the Car Hauling business and how to be better in life with health and business. Hear Mahi's story of how he was under Wes Watson's mentorship and the crucial things he learned regarding life and business. Tune in for this podcast episode filled with parental advice, and stories that everyone needs to hear. #mindset #successmindset #entrepreneur #father #family #parenting  

On this episode Tanner talks about growing up fishing in the Keys with his Grandmother Ruth.  Tim talks Turkey in North Florida.

In this episode, Mahi sits down with Haley Jones from the Atlanta Dream. Haley details her journey to the W, including winning an NCAA championship, and shares her thoughts on the upcoming Golden State WNBA team. She also offers insights on seeking internal validation and overcoming imposter syndrome during her time at Stanford. Check out the She Can Ball Socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/she.can.ball/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shecanballpod Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@she.can.ball?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PFpT1VU19JNSnMW4bpGfZ

Mahigan Saint-Pierre of Kitchen Toad joins us once again to celebrate the feast of our most beloved Saint Expedite! We giggle about our formative experiences with the martyr, reminisce on baking late night pound cakes after our petitions manifested even more quickly than we'd dreamed, and ponder why Mahigan's statue of the saint looks exactly like Mark Zuckerberg. Mahi and B. Key also discuss their brand new collaborative launch, bringing everyone the victory of Today and their enemies the bitterness of Tomorrow. Support us on patreon.com/TheFrightfulHowls and follow us at twitter.com/FrightfulHowls.

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In this conversation, Mike Calabrese discusses his history and experience in fisheries throughout the globe. He explains the technique of kite fishing in South Florida and the importance of bait culture. Mike also discusses the sailfish migration and their preferences for different types of bait. In this conversation, Mike Calabrese discusses the differences between kite fishing and trolling for sailfish, highlighting the advantages and challenges of each method. He also explains the impact of seaweed and grass on fishing success and the relationship between seaweed and baitfish. Mike shares insights on water clarity, cold weather, and its effect on fishing. He delves into the technique of hooking a fish while kite fishing and the importance of angles. Additionally, the conversation discusses teaser fishing and the importance of quality dredges. Mike then introduces Firetailz, which offers lightweight and durable artificial dredge baits for fishing.   Videos by Dave Collier   https://www.firetailz.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fire_tailz?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== ----more---- TRANSCRIPT Katie (00:03.18) What's up you guys? Welcome to the KDC Sawyer podcast. I'm your host Katie and today I'm sitting with Mike Calabrese. Mike, thank you so much for joining us. Where are you sitting in from? Mike Calabrese (00:15.719) Hey, Katie, glad to be here. I am at my home today in Jupiter, Florida, South Florida. Katie (00:21.838) Is that where you're from originally? Mike Calabrese (00:24.327) Somewhat, I'm from a little further south, Pompano Beach, Broward County, and my work and stuff on boats had brought me up this way the last few years, so decided to call Jupiter home. Katie (00:36.524) Jupiter is a really, really pretty place. What's your experience? Give us a little bit of rundown of your fishing history, your experience in the field. Mike Calabrese (00:40.071) Great town. Mike Calabrese (00:47.268) Oh boy, okay. So growing up in South Florida, obviously near the water, fishing was always a thing as a kid. Started out freshwater, bass fishing in the canals where I grew up. And then that elevated into my buddy's dad was in a boat rental club. We used to take a boat out and go catch mahi. And then I went to a high school where I met some friends with boats and that led to... some tournament fishing with some friends from high school, which we got pretty good at, and ultimately took up work on boats in my early 20s, kind of undecided as to a career, had a connection on a boat, and the rest is history. Never look back. Katie (01:32.879) So you're fishing, you're fishing with predominantly southern Florida for a good chunk of your early years, correct? Or your early in the industry years. Mike Calabrese (01:42.947) Yep, that's right. I worked for a program that we pretty much did South Florida kite fishing and then we go to Key West a lot. But mostly Florida before a new job and taking on some travel in my mid -20s after the first job I had which is mostly South Florida based. Katie (02:02.832) Where did you go once you started traveling? Mike Calabrese (02:06.469) Um, so after the first job, I went to school to get my captain's license. I met a fellow there, uh, who was also a fisherman. We became friends in class. And, uh, after this class, uh, he reached out, asked me if I wanted to help deliver a boat, um, from Stewart to Panama, I believe. And, um, I had nothing else going on. I said, sure, let's do it. And, um, met a captain there. It was an American custom yacht. Uh, had a good trip. ended up going back for another delivery which brought me from Costa Rica to Cabo San Lucas where I ended up meeting another boat that was in need of a crewman and that was a boat called the Patriot, a big 80 foot Monterey, Captain Terry Stancil and his wife Bonnie and the timing was right there. I met them in Cabo San Lucas and came back a little while later to start my work there for several years I worked on the Patriot. That was a great learning experience, great program. Fished the Gulf of Mexico and then eventually we towed the boat with a mothership across the Pacific down to Tahiti onto the Kingdom of Tonga and then New Zealand was the distance of that travel. It was a very outstanding trip, yeah. Katie (03:26.707) That's so cool. That's amazing. Okay. So when did you start in Cava with Patriot? Like, what year? Mike Calabrese (03:37.67) That would have been probably around 2005, 2006? Yep. Katie (03:44.147) And so, what were you fishing there? Were you fishing like the finger bank, Gordo? What were you fishing in Cabo? Mike Calabrese (03:49.894) I had missed the big striped marlin season there up the way there at Mag Bay. They had done it previously before I got there. I was actually there for a little while and then we brought the boat back to the Gulf of Mexico that summer. We caught some striped marlin out front, but never the big number stuff that folks are seeing now. Katie (04:09.94) Were you... Was that your first exposure to like marlin fishing? Mike Calabrese (04:15.237) Uh, somewhat. Um, I did have a stint with a friend of mine who, uh, family had a boat and I second mated that, uh, in St. Thomas for a season, which was another great learning experience, blue marlin fishing in St. Thomas. Uh, but other than that, yeah, I had minimal, minimal marlin experience until that point. Katie (04:35.541) So the St. Thomas Marlin fishery is pretty, I've never done it myself, but it's like, I don't want to say rat blues, but like small blue marlin, correct? Like kind of similar to Costa Rica or am I off? Mike Calabrese (04:45.477) Huh? No, St. Thomas is actually known for bigger average quality size fish. Probably 250 to 500 is, you know, but it gets a little rougher there. The fish are angry there. They're very aggressive. Good average size fish, probably average three plus and aggressive and good teaser bites and people love it there for the angry fish. And it would be probably starting in June, but it seems... Katie (04:55.158) Okay. Katie (05:11.095) What's the season in St. Thomas? Mike Calabrese (05:17.701) you know, a little later, the best times I would say would be August, September, October, perhaps lately. Late summer. Mm -hmm. Katie (05:23.704) Nice. Super cool. So, man, I hadn't realized that you were towed on a mothership across the Pacific Ocean. That's a story for another time. I'm going to try not to focus on that because I have a million other questions I want to ask you. But you kind of you caught me off guard. You blew me away there a little bit. But OK, cool. So growing up in South Florida, you were doing the now you mentioned the kite fishing. That's something that. Mike Calabrese (05:38.413) Yeah, okay. Katie (05:53.081) I actually didn't know even was a thing until well after I had started kite fishing for Yellowfin Tuna in the Pacific with Artificial. And I came in, this is for the listener, I came into, back to the Gulf of Mexico and was starting to work with an organization that had me in South Florida for a little while and I called Mike up and I was like, hey, I need to understand this kite fishing industry. Like, why are we? why are we flying kites for sailfish and why only here? So Mike, can you give us some some insight on that? Mike Calabrese (06:31.268) Yeah, so I mean, I certainly didn't invent it or anything like that. I guess down in Miami in the 1950s or so, a fellow figured out how to build and fly a kite and dangle some baits from it with release clips. Basically in South Florida, it's kind of a function of our geography. We have a very steep drop off off the coast. It drops off pretty quick. Therefore the lane that the fish tend to hang out and travel in is quite narrow. So for example, typical sailfish depth here, a lot of places, call it 100 to 200 feet of water. As you get down to South Florida, it's a fairly tightly compressed lane. With that being said, trolling can be difficult to stay in that area, to maximize your fishing in that lane. This fella, I know Bob Lewis was one of the first guys to build a kiter. Those are the first kites from Miami there. Great idea. What it does is it enables you to, almost like an outrigger, get multiple baits away from the boat and also fish them on the surface of the water where sailfish like to come up and feed. It's very visual. You get to see the bite often. It's a fun way to fish. It's pretty efficient. Yeah, it's a fun way to fish. Katie (07:57.821) That's cool. So what you guys are doing is you're using the kites to put the baits in a very specific area because there's only a small surface area where these fish are most likely going to be congregating and feeding. Mike Calabrese (08:13.636) Right, so, you know, that's the thing about any fishing is you never exactly know where the fish are gonna be as far as depth of water, location. But basically we'll take the wind direction, wind direction combined with current, and that's how you decide to where you're gonna put your boat and how your kites are gonna angle behind the boat and what depth of water they're gonna be in. So we'll fish two kites. typically, you can do more, some people fish three. But we'll take two kites and we'll, those are each on their own kite rod, which is an electric rod, short, like a teaser rod, and that has braided kite line on there and clips that catch as the kite goes out. And typically we'll fish three rods per kite. We'll take little split shot sinkers and we'll weight the kites in the corners to, kick them either left or right and once again depending on the wind direction how much kick or bank do you need to essentially we're making a fence for these fish that are migrating south at the same time as the boats drifting north we're almost intercepting schools of fish and your three kite baits are designed as you know you basically want to cover as much ground as possible to cut off these fish moving south. as your boat moves north, typically. Katie (09:42.432) So how do you have, if you have one kite and three baits from each kite, how do you keep your baits separated? Because they're live baits, right? Mike Calabrese (09:51.297) Yep, yep. So the clips are distanced apart. So a standard setup is you'll let your kite out, clip your kite on, let it out. About 100 feet comes your first clip, which will be your long. Now the kite rods are outboard typically in the covering board of the boat or in the wings outboard. And then you have your rocket launcher or whatever inside and that will hold your rods. So you'll have three rods on the right side. and the furthest inside is your long, then middle, then short would be closest to the kite rod. And it's important just to keep those in order as you let your kite out and fish, bring your kite in, those rods all stay in order. So when you do get a fish on and you pop out of the clip and you have to get tight to your fish, you're not tangling with the other ones. So those baits are spaced out on the kite line. The kite's about 100 feet from the first clip and then we... 65, 75 feet apart are the clips and that's what keeps your baits apart hanging there in the water. Yeah, so if you get a fish is when it gets tricky, you know, having to pop out of the clip and then lift, oftentimes you have to lift up the other baits out of the water so your fish in line can pass underneath as you get tight to your fish. So. Katie (11:10.402) Man, so how many anglers do you have generally? Do you have one per rod, one per bait, or do you have to... Mike Calabrese (11:17.027) In a perfect world, yes. Yeah, just like trolling, I mean the more people holding rods, the better because, you know, just like trolling, if you can see the bite coming or, you know, you're in free spool, obviously with your thumb on the reel, anticipating the bite, you're ahead of the game, you got a better chance at hooking your fish and feeding the fish without it feeling anything weird. Katie (11:38.979) Because those sailfish in South Florida aren't very big. Most of my sailfish experience is in the Pacific and they're quite a bit bigger than they are in the Atlantic. So how much are these fish weighing approximately? Mike Calabrese (11:46.529) Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (11:51.138) Yeah, I'd say the average fish is probably around 40 pounds. I mean, they're, they're, they are, you know, they vary in size. Some, some days they run bigger. Some days you notice they're a little smaller. But I will say, you know, where they might not be as big as the Pacific sailfish, they, they do fight quite a bit harder. They're a little, you know, they can, they tend to go deeper on you during the battle sometimes, change directions very crazily. They're, they're wild fish. And there's no telling, you know, one minute they could be jumping out here to the left and then the next minute they're 200 feet over that way and you got a big belly in your line. Trolling, you know, once again, like in the Pacific there, you hook a fish, put the boat on a turn. They tend to stay in the middle of the circle, you know, of your turn. Hooking a fish on a kite, there's no telling where it's going to go sometimes. So it can be a little tricky with all those baits. Katie (12:30.244) Ha! Katie (12:47.588) interesting. Mike Calabrese (12:51.65) in the water hanging. Also the boat spins to go catch the fish and now you've got kites wrapping around your tower with your baits off your bow. Sometimes you get a bite while your baits are off the bow catching another fish but it's very much a team effort and the more people you have that are competent and helpful the better you're going to do. Just like trolling. Katie (13:15.941) Yeah, all the more reason to have somebody on every single rod, every single line and bait. Mike Calabrese (13:20.534) Absolutely, yep, paying attention watching your baits, you know We have the floats or markers that we fish kite fishing a lot of the trolling guys make fun of them calling bobbers, but It's a pink styrofoam float, which is it's a visual indicator for us on the boat. You know that your long bait might be 250 feet away from you or something, but you know, it's hard to see your bait in the water Plus you want your bait a little underwater. You don't always see your bait. I we're actually watching our pink styrofoam floats, which are at the top of our 15 foot leaders. So those we're trying to keep above the water. And when you do get a nervous bait or a bite happening, that thing kind of starts to show, you know, some funny activity and I might be getting a bite here, my bait's nervous. So we're staring at pink floats all day long basically. And then. Katie (14:11.143) That's so cool. Yeah, I mean, when we were fishing kites, we'd have just one kite, I mean, one kite and then one artificial on it. And we'd have to tie like a fluorescent ribbon to it just to have an idea of where the heck that was. Because you just, if you're doing your job right, you can't see your line. You can't see your bait. So, I had a question, but I'm gonna go real quick. Mike Calabrese (14:25.183) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Mike Calabrese (14:32.385) That's right. Yeah. Katie (14:39.301) Fishing for the Pacific sails, with so much experience fishing for Pacific as well as South Florida, the smaller ones. Do you find that there's a difference in the bite? Like are the smaller sailfish more finicky when they eat? Mike Calabrese (14:54.337) Um, it depends. Um, some days and, and, you know, I don't think any fishermen completely knows the answer to this. You know, you have people talk about the moon, the tide, you know, this, that, and the other thing we like to make excuses, let's say when things don't work out. But, uh, I will say that you tend to get, uh, more aggression out of fish when they're traveling in a pack. So for example, if you get a really aggressive bite, um, it's an indication that there might be more fish with that fish because of the competition factor. Typically lazy, sometimes these sailfish are extremely finicky, fussy. They could come up and look at your bait, we call it window shoppers, because on the kite you're sitting still, you're able to actually sit there and watch it all happen. And sometimes a fish will come up and eyeball your bait, swim a circle around it. Just an... swim off like it was not interested. For whatever reason, it happens. Other days they're chewing the paint off the boat. So you just got to go to know, I say. Sometimes it could be the bait. We often think, we always carry different kinds of bait. A few different staple species of bait that tournament boats are going to go with. If you had that happen to you, sometimes you say, oh, maybe he didn't want my... my goggle eye maybe he wanted a herring but who knows you know we don't they don't talk to us but all you can do is take that information and try to you know if you got to change your bait for the next one or something but they are fin they can be very finicky especially in certain weather conditions you know weather I call them weather fish down here they're extremely you know they're they're feeding is a lot based upon weather. cold fronts, I can elaborate on that. Yep. Katie (16:52.875) How so? Tell me more. Mike Calabrese (16:54.846) In South Florida, in the winter time is sailfish time. And when the wind, we get cold fronts, north wind, cold temperatures is typically when you get the fish biting. I believe it has to do with the colder water temperatures of the north pushing them down. Then they start to fight the current of the water. They're traveling south, they're stemming the current. They got to use more energy to swim south. With that cold weather comes north wind which makes big waves against the current. So when that happens, just last week, we can get into this, but we had a big event here. We had finally got a couple real strong cold fronts where we got down in the 40s for South Florida. It real cold and the fish finally showed up. So when it gets real good like that, they get to biting, they get to moving. Katie (17:43.86) Whoa. Mike Calabrese (17:53.053) tailing sailfish, which I'm sure you've seen in Cabo San Lucas or the Strait Marlin, but you know, when the wave direction gets right, they'll pop up on the surface and try to catch a ride with the waves. And that's when the really big numbers come through in Miami last week, you know, 60 fish, tailing fish, people, people riding around in their towers. And it's super fun. You know, once again, a lot of people might downgrade or denigrate the spinning rod. Katie (18:11.661) That's crazy. Mike Calabrese (18:22.173) However, it's a fun way to fish, site fishing, casting at tailing sailfish. But other than that, yeah, the weather, the weather, they like cold, they like the cold snaps here in South Florida for sure. Get some going. Katie (18:29.101) Nice. So are you? Katie (18:35.309) That's awesome. And I like that theory behind it too. The, um, so are y 'all flying kites as well as sight casting when that happens? Mike Calabrese (18:45.212) Yeah, depending upon how many are tailing. If you're flying kites, you're pointed into the wind anyhow, into the sea. So the captain or another guy can typically look for fish while the rest of the crew is fishing out the back with the kites. Eyes are ahead of the water looking for fish that are going to be coming by the boat where you can also, you can catch them while you're kite fishing. Oftentimes you'll see a tailor, they'll fade out and then they'll pop up on your kite baits, you know. Once again the kite baits kind of cut them off on their route. So Yeah, but sometimes we'll swim right by the boat too. We had yeah We had like a school of about eight fish the other day that we could we never got a bite You know, they just faded underneath the boat and didn't pop up on us, which is unfortunate but Very frustrating Yeah, it's uh Yeah, and we were kite fishing and we were hoping they would it would pop up on the baits Katie (19:19.311) That's so cool. Katie (19:31.279) How frustrating. Especially with there being eight of them. That's crazy. Mike Calabrese (19:43.259) just didn't happen there but it's kind of a helpless feeling when something like that happens or same thing if you cast sometimes you can hit a perfect cast on these fish or whatever and they just still don't want to eat it for whatever reason and on to the next one. Yeah they're not all maybe they were caught maybe they were who knows but not interested. Katie (19:55.631) I'll just knock them on the head with it and they won't eat it. Katie (20:05.36) How fascinating. So before we, I want to get into the bait culture a little bit, but before we do that, can you tell me the approximate distance y 'all are drifting? Because that's what you're doing, right? Once you set your kites, you set yourself up to drift down, down the fishing zone, correct? Mike Calabrese (20:25.051) I lost you there for one second, I have repeat that question. Katie (20:28.049) Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want to get into the bait culture, but before we do that, can you tell me a little bit about this fishing zone? So you already said there's a narrow alley in which these fish are migrating in the southern side of Florida. And you're setting up, from what I understand, you set up a drift and you set your kites out and then you drift down sea while fishing for these fish. And how... Like how long is that drift? Like how many miles is this fishing zone that y 'all generally target? Mike Calabrese (21:00.41) Okay, yeah, that's a great question. So, um, so you could drift depending on the wind direction. Obviously, if you have an east wind, you're going to be getting, you know, the waves are going to want to push you shallower. It's all about staying in that depth that the captain feels are your best chances. You know, naturally sailfish, they can be in a hundred feet of water. They could be in 200 feet of water. They can be in 300 feet of water anywhere really, but the captain puts the boat where he thinks they're going to be. Typically we have. North current, which means the water is moving south to north and your boat will be moving north. Now you could, you know, depending on the action, you can ride it out as long as you want. If you're, if you're in the depth that makes you happy, oftentimes you'll catch fish and then the captain will run back and get south again to try to come back over that same stretch of water or even go further south to try to re -intercept that body of fish that just came through. So that's really the only, you know, the way you have to look at it is that these fish are moving north to south, or even if they're holding their ground on a piece of bottom or bait, the water is moving north. So, you know, that's the million dollar question is when to move, when to reset, when to run back, how far to run back, you know, how deep, all that stuff is the real stuff that separates the winners from the losers. Katie (22:29.033) Yeah, so I mean there's a huge tournament culture in South Florida. So when you've got these big events going on, how many boats are fishing this pretty small area? Mike Calabrese (22:42.583) Yeah, so I think most tournaments these days about 50 boats give or take and then the tournaments have boundaries. Some tournaments are based out of a certain inlet. For example, let's say the tournaments out of Palm Beach. They might make the boundary 30 miles in each direction. So you have a 60 mile fishing range. Other tournaments, we have one coming up soon here called the Jimmy Johnson. We also just had one called the Sailfish Challenge. was a big boundary format to where as boats can choose any inlet they want to fish out of. For example, if you're from Miami, you can fish down there or from Palm Beach, you can fish up here, wherever you want to fish, which adds a challenge to it because the days leading up to it is everybody's wondering where the fish are, where's the best fishing. Boats making last minute moves from Miami to Palm Beach the night before, it's all common and vice versa. It's very important to keep your ear to the ground and communicate with other fishermen about what they saw, what they caught, conditions. But yeah, I mean, you know, last week it was, they were biting from Stewart to Key Largo. And you could, yeah, the best fishing was down there south of Ocean Reef. However, there was boats catching 30 fish out here at Jupiter. And... Katie (23:55.832) Wow. Mike Calabrese (24:08.694) There was a tournament a couple days later and everybody was thinking Miami was going to be the spot and it ended up being to the north was where the tournament was won up here. So you have to be fluid. You have to be able to adapt and adjust to the ever changing fishery we have, which changes overnight, unfortunately, you know, because we have the Gulfstream and the water's essentially flying by our coast here, which means different bodies of water coming in and going, you know, frequently. Katie (24:38.202) with different nutrients in it, different levels of float some and all of that. Now, current water temp, all of it. Mike Calabrese (24:38.453) It's hard. That's right. For sure. Mike Calabrese (24:48.629) Just yesterday, or yeah, fished a two day tournament the first day, the water, we saw tons of man o' wars. There was probably some of the most I've ever seen in my life, hundreds. And they were actually grabbing, they would grab your kite baits. If they drifted too closely, you'd have to lift your bait because these man o' wars would find them and get them. And anyhow, saw a pile of them on Friday. Yesterday we go out there and hardly didn't see as many. There wasn't nearly as many. Katie (25:09.21) frustrating. Mike Calabrese (25:18.388) the water color was different you know it's it changes you gotta react and adapt you know it's all part of the challenge yeah it's all part of the challenge Katie (25:25.883) And all the more reason to be fishing consistently during the season to stay competitive. Right? Yeah. So the bait culture down there is pretty specific. Mike Calabrese (25:34.996) For sure, yep. What's that? Mike Calabrese (25:41.364) B. Oh yeah, people are fanatical about me for sure. It's very important. Katie (25:47.484) Well, and which makes sense, but you mentioned herring, gogoli. What's your favorite kind of bait? What do you make sure you have? And how do you make sure that your bait is healthiest for your tournament, your tournaments or your fun fishing? Mike Calabrese (26:04.852) Yep, so basically there's three main baits. You got the Goggle Eyes, Threadfin Herring, or Greenies. Looks like a big pilchard or something, almost like a baby tarpon. And then Spanish Sardines, which are probably the most sought after bait, the sardines. However, they also tend to get bit up a lot by bonitas and other critters. So Goggle Eyes are the main staple. source of bait here. The thing about Goggle Eyes is they're caught at night. So most people end up buying bait from bait guys that go out and do it at night. Very hard to obtain Goggle Eyes sometimes. A lot of times the bait guys even in Palm Beach will trailer their boats all the way to the Keys to catch them in abundance so they can have enough to make it worthwhile to do it. So anyhow, Goggle Eyes, shoot, lately they've been upwards of $200 a dozen here in Palm Beach, which is crazy. Yeah, it used to be, I remember growing up, it was $40 a dozen, and $20 a dozen for Pilchards. Now you're looking at, it was up to 120 for Gogs, and then during tournament season, they've been tough to catch lately. The prices are around $200 a dozen for these things. And those baits, the Goggle Eye's good because, Katie (27:09.695) Dang. Yeah. Mike Calabrese (27:32.529) It's a hardy bait. It's typically a little bigger, probably, you know, eight inches or so, and they're strong. They're a great bait for your long kite baits, which is the furthest one from the boat. It's got the most wind effect on that kite bait, blowing your line in the air. So you want to, on your long bait, typically you want a big hardy bait. Goggolize are known for just kicking their tails off and being, putting out good vibes and strong, you know, strong. vibrations and splashing. So definitely goggle eyes. If there's only one bait you could have, it'd probably be a goggle eye. Lately we've also had access to threadfin herrings, which are like I said, like a big pilcher greenies. Those are all over the place too, from Costa Rica to Louisiana, obviously in Texas, I'm sure. Those are great sailfish baits. We call them scale baits. Definitely more fragile, a little more sensitive to you know when you bridle your bait you gotta be more careful with the scale baits you don't want to knock the scales off of them so there's that fine line of you know how hard you can grip your bait versus squeezing it to death to you know put a needle through it and sew it on but that's all part of the part of it is to keep your baits as nice and healthy as possible when you can get them in the water with that being said also people will obtain their bait early on and they will pen it up we have we make bait pens Sometimes they're plastic round floating wells. Sometimes we have cages that we sink for goggle eyes. And then we feed our baits. They have pellet food. Some people, I've seen people have timers with automatic fish feeders. So if they're not there one day, their bait's still gonna get fed or whatever. Of course, if you can get some fresh scraps of bonitas or anything like that, it's always good to feed your bait. So. Just like any living thing, the better their diet is, the more healthy they're going to be. And when you put them out there on the hook, hopefully they're going to last long and splash around. Healthy bait, strong bait. So that's, yeah. I mean, the best boats, they typically will have their bait a long time ahead of a tournament. They'll have it all fed up and seasoned. And you know. Katie (29:37.957) the better they're gonna perform. Yeah, make a scene. Fight, make a scene. Mike Calabrese (29:57.007) keep accurate quantities of what they got, how many they bring each day, because it's a grind to catch bait and to keep it. It's at least half the battle on this thing for sure, is having good bait for sure. Katie (30:11.174) It's a sail fishing tournament and a sail fishing culture, but it's really just we're keeping a bunch of bait healthy and seeing whose bait can outperform the other. Didn't you? Mike Calabrese (30:21.261) Yeah, somewhat. I mean, ultimately, you got to be in the right place, in my opinion. There's no substitute for being on top of the fish. But yes, bait is important, for sure. Just like trolling, you know, when you're doing your balihooze and prepping your balihooze and, you know, some of them the head breaks and you got a batch where they're weak, you know, you say, shoot, you know, this isn't good. Your color on the tape, you know, you want to put your best bait forward, for sure. Katie (30:33.862) Didn't you tell me that - Mike Calabrese (30:52.309) and any fishing. Katie (30:52.392) When these guys are feeding their baits, bonita, fish, something that's gonna give them a healthier appeal because it's what they're eating kind of in the wild, right? They get that same nutrients. Didn't you tell me that they have like their own like dock bait blenders and how does that process work? Mike Calabrese (31:15.309) Yeah, I mean, it depends on everybody has their own way of doing things. I personally have a blender in my dock box that I'll, when I catch bonitas, I'll cut bonita strips. I'll save those for wahoo fishing, planer fishing, but you can take the meat and it's that good red meat and it's got a lot of good nutrients, I'm sure. But yeah, I'll take that. I'll blend it up with salt water. And to me, that's easier than just cutting it. We're trying to... make life as easy as possible to some degree. But yeah, the blender works well for me. Blend up some scrap meats, even if you got, you know, we'll save like the roe from Mahi's, the roe. Any kind of scrap meat is good, good fresh food for the fish and yeah, they'll eat it. Katie (31:55.593) Nice. Katie (32:02.857) That's a great way to use all sides of the fish that you're catching and put it back into the sport recreationally. I love that. Mike Calabrese (32:09.26) Yeah, it's all work and ultimately the hard work hopefully will pay off for you. Doesn't always, but having good bait is, it's one of the things we can control. So we're gonna put, we're gonna do it. Katie (32:24.489) What about the sardines? You spoke a little bit about the scales, the goggle eyes, and then what about the sardines? Mike Calabrese (32:30.924) Sardines are great. We've had definitely had some of our best fishing typically to the south in the Florida Keys or if the fish are tailing a sardines a great bait to cast at a fish because of they'll stay on the surface when they hit the water as opposed to like a goggle eye will want to swim down. Sardines are just very elusive, they're very hard to obtain. Katie (32:50.633) one down. Mike Calabrese (32:57.419) people go great distances to try to catch them and have them in their arsenal. And like I said, it's a great bait. There have been tournaments won on sardines indeed, but I haven't had sardines this year. Up north here in Palm Beach and stuff, it seems like a Goggle Eyes is a great bait. But when you get down towards the Keys there and Ocean Reef, you know, there's... We can catch sardines here too, certain times of year. In the summer, they're all over the place in Jupiter. It's all you want. This time of year, they're not around. Some boats, like I said, they'll travel. The programs that do this full -time, they'll have their bait boat. They'll have a center console. If they have a sport fish boat, they'll have a secondary center console that they'll go run around in. Katie (33:30.721) Interesting. Mike Calabrese (33:50.635) leave out of Fort Lauderdale, run to Miami or beyond to catch sardines, bring them back, pen them up for a month before the tournament. That's the extent people will go to have sardines. And whether they pay or not, time can only tell. There's been times, we used to fish a lot in Key West, in the sailfish tournament in Key West. And... We would spend so much time catching sardines before the tournament. Even on a, there was a lay day, we'd fish, you know, we'd fish three days in a row and then have a lay day. And we'd go run 60 miles to catch sardines on a lay day. And sometimes we'd only catch a dozen, you know, and a lot of effort into that. And sometimes, you know, in hindsight, it's like, oh, maybe we didn't need them or maybe we didn't need to do that. But, you know, once again, if you can control something and you make the effort, you're trying to do it to have the right bait. Katie (34:31.369) Oh my gosh. Mike Calabrese (34:46.859) Yeah, so the sardines Definitely one of the sailfishes favorite food because if you go down there to like Isla, Moheres, Mexico Which is also in the Atlantic or the Caribbean here same fish essentially They're there feasting on sardines. That's that's the predominant bait That brings the sailfish to that area massive schools of sardines and cigar minnows, but Sailfish love it's I would say it's like they're probably one of their favorite natural foods to eat. For sure. Yeah. Katie (35:20.105) Man, that's so cool. Okay, I have a question for you because, and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. So the Isla season is December, January, February, right? Mike Calabrese (35:32.213) Pretty much, yeah. Katie (35:33.193) And then we have the South Florida season that's February, March, April. Mike Calabrese (35:41.715) Lately, yes, in the past, tournaments used to start in October, November, and they still do some of them, but for whatever reason, the season seems to have been shifting later on here. The last few years, the best bite has occurred towards the end of February, early March. Maybe it's just when the water temperatures finally get cool enough to the north where the fish have to come down at that point. Katie (36:07.369) Yeah, so that's my question. So how are those, if those fish are moving north to south, but the season is earlier in Isla, how is that working? Like are they, are they going up? Are they going north and then coming back down? Like are they circulating? Do we know what those fish are doing? Do you understand my question? Did I make that sense? Mike Calabrese (36:26.955) I don't think we know. I think it's a great question. It's the million dollar question once again that even the wealthiest of people and best fishermen don't have the answers to. But I would say those are different bodies of fish. I feel like those fish down in the Yucatan area, they probably spend their majority of their time down that way somewhere, perhaps into the Gulf of Mexico in the Campeche or whatever. Katie (36:53.321) The southern gulf, yeah. Uh huh. Mike Calabrese (36:54.983) Yeah, like the rest of the year, wherever the sardines probably go is where they go. But yeah, I mean, there's been tags. I don't know if the Billfish Foundation has ever had a tag return from Mexico to South Florida or vice versa. I'm sure it's happened. But yeah, and then also you get fish off the Carolinas. South Carolina had great sailfish and I think in maybe like October or... Katie (37:10.577) How interesting? We'll have to ask. Mike Calabrese (37:23.671) September this year, late season, you know, great sail fishing for them up north of us here. So I think we're seeing, I think the U .S. has an East Coast population of sailfish and then perhaps the ones down there in the Yucatan are different fish, I would say. Not, yeah. Katie (37:41.329) Yeah, the ones we get a general, like a pretty good sailfish bite sometimes in the southern Gulf of Mexico out of South Texas. I want to say late July, August, September it can get pretty good. So that's really interesting. Yeah, I didn't know if that's something that we know. Mike Calabrese (37:50.095) Mm -hmm. Yep. Mike Calabrese (38:00.551) It could be those fish. I don't think anybody does. I think it's, yeah, it's scientists that study the water, plankton, chlorophyll, temperature, those factors are probably where they are. Katie (38:17.361) Because I think it's interesting that your speculation, your hypothesis is that they're two different bodies of fish because from what I do understand is that sailfish, they don't really go very far from what we know on tagging data and tagging research. So, right? So, Mike Calabrese (38:34.311) Right. Yeah, I mean, I would think so. Like, yeah. Yeah. Katie (38:39.121) Yeah, that's super interesting. As opposed to like blue marlin, which have crossed the ocean. They like cross ocean basins, not as much as bluefin tuna or as regularly as bluefin tuna. But they're all considered highly migratory species, but their migration vary. And I think that it's interesting that these fish are so small. The sailfish are the, I mean, I believe is the fastest fish in the ocean. Right. Do you know that? Mike Calabrese (38:49.127) Right. Mike Calabrese (39:06.375) I think that's what they say and it makes sense, you know, based upon their size of their tail with how thin they are and their mass. You know, they're thinner than a marlin so they probably slide through the water a lot easier, I'd say. So yeah, they're neat. They're crazy when you hook one, especially, you know, kite fishing, trolling, whatever, however you hook it. But like I said, they can be out here to the left a couple hundred feet and then next minute they're going the other way and you got a big belly in your line. jumping all over the ocean. Katie (39:37.361) It kind of reminds me of the difference between a big blue marlin and a little blue marlin. Like those little blues, they'll just, they're so agile. They've got all that just spunk of a marlin, but with a lot more agility. So I want to go a little bit into trolling. Am I wrong when I say that from what I understand, north of Stewart, Florida, your fishing teams start trolling? Mike Calabrese (39:51.109) Yeah, yeah, it's fun. Katie (40:06.993) instead of kite fishing, is that right? Mike Calabrese (40:09.829) Yeah, that's pretty pretty accurate. There's some boats that'll go... So if you look at Florida on a map or a chart, you know, Palm Beach is where... North of Palm Beach is where our coastline starts to jog off to the west, to the northwest. However, the shelf pretty much continues straight north. So with that being said, Palm Beach is very close. To get to 100 feet of water, you're looking at, you know, whatever, a mile, let's call it. Jupiter here a little north about 10 miles north of Palm Beach you've got to go about 3 miles because the coast starts to jog northwest there. Stewart, you're going further 5 -6 miles. And then Fort Pierce even further. So anyhow, the shelf broadens the further north you go. There's more area where the fish can be. Palm Beach in the south, very compressed, very narrow lane of 100 -200 feet of water. up that way, Stewart, Fort Peterson North, spread out. Fish can be, you know, all over the place. A lot of potential habitat. So guys, you know, they troll for them because they can cover ground. And it's also his historical tradition. It's how they were raised doing it. I will say now you're seeing a few more guys out of Stewart starting to kite fish. They're realizing that it's quite effective. It's a little bit more relaxing. way to fish. Let's say you have a charter or a guest on the boat, you're essentially kind of sitting still. It's a little more enjoyable in that you don't have to hold the reel, you're not holding the pressure of the bait, dragging it seven, eight knots along or whatever on your thumb. You're sitting still and you're watching your baits. But yeah, the trolling thing is essentially due to the geography, I'd say, up further north there. The guy's got to cover more ground. And yeah, but you're seeing more guys starting to kite fish out that way too now. Katie (42:09.521) I find it interesting that the kite fishing is starting to kind of spread up that northern area. That's interesting. I didn't see it. Mike Calabrese (42:16.87) People are realizing, you know, why not make my life easier and catch more fish for my clients, if you will. I mean, I heard a guy, a steward... Katie (42:26.129) So long as getting live bait is not an issue. Because... Mike Calabrese (42:29.99) Correct, correct. Yeah, and it can be an issue. Stuart typically has good bait availability. They have a lot of those threadfin greenies up there. You know, boats, they can go out and catch them in the morning on their way out. And, you know, it's, especially if you've got a three or four foot sea, you know, kite fishing is going to be more comfortable as well for folks that aren't, you know, if they're chartering a boat or something like that. It's more comfortable, more productive. better chance of hooking a fish basically being that it's a live bait that they're you know the boats not moving forward it's easier in some regards it's also challenging in other ways as well compared to trolling but like I said I heard a Stuart captain on the radio the other day talking about how he man I can't believe we just figured this kite thing out you know lately here it's can't believe we haven't been doing it longer what a pleasure it is to fish kites. Katie (43:06.14) Ah, that's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. Katie (43:25.756) Aww, that's super cool. Okay, that's new. Interesting. Um... Mike Calabrese (43:27.686) So yeah, I mean, well, I feel like people, yeah, I feel like a lot of guys disparage it because they don't know how to do it. And it's a fear thing, you know, but the reality is I feel like if you want to be a good fisherman, you should be good at all types of fishing and yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's fun. Katie (43:45.009) Exactly and try, try it. Who knows maybe you don't like it, maybe it doesn't work for you, maybe you have a different theory elsewhere, but you're never gonna actually know if you don't give it a go. So. Mike Calabrese (43:57.254) I think one of the hard things with kite fishing, sorry to interrupt, is that all three of your lines are on the kite line. So let's say your long bait gets a bite. Let's say you get a kingfish, chops your bait in half. Now you've got to bring in all three rods to change that one bait. So if you're the only mate in the cockpit, kite fishing can be a nightmare because it takes hands, it takes help. If you've got a good crew and some good help, it's all good. Katie (44:00.253) No, you're good. Mike Calabrese (44:25.765) You know trolling you get a bite you're just dealing with that one rod reel it in put a new bait on send it back out kite fishing you gotta bring the kite in bring all three rods in you know there's ways to work around that but if you're short -handed it can be an absolute nightmare especially if you got a lot of critters biting bonitas kingfish whatever you know you need help seaweed as well absolutely yeah you can get bait grass on your bait and then if you can't get it off you gotta start over again. Katie (44:44.126) What about grass? Is that an issue? Mike Calabrese (44:55.271) It's a pain for sure. Yeah. But I will say I like seaweed for fishing because, you know, lately we haven't seen much seaweed all winter long. Now there's a little bit of scattered grass in town and the sailfish are here. I think it's got something to do with the whole basis of the food chain. The seaweed for sure. Plankton. Yeah, it starts with the plankton and that and bait and sailfish follow. Katie (44:56.255) That is a pain. Seaweed's always a pain, no matter what. So for... Katie (45:25.536) attracting the bigger fish. Wow, that makes me happy to hear that. Is the seaweed you're seeing, what's the word I'm looking for? Is it all condensed? Is it all sitting together? Is it floating together? Is it pretty spread out? Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (45:27.815) That's right. Mike Calabrese (45:37.862) It's scattered grass as we call it. It's live, the bright live sargassum weed, which is a good indicator as well that it's alive. Saw all those man o' wars. Yeah, it's little small clumps and I've noticed it anywhere I fish, up to Ocean City, Maryland, all that when you're getting bit, you're trying to figure out is there anything to it and oftentimes I'll notice bits of seaweed in the water. It's good thing. Katie (46:05.632) So you feel like when you're, you feel like when in your experience when you're seeing pretty consistent seaweed, you're seeing more bites. Did I, did I surmise that correctly? Mike Calabrese (46:15.239) It depends, I guess. I'm not. I mean in the summertime here sometimes we get giant clumps and mats of seaweed, you know can walk on it. That I don't want to fish in, you that's not what I'm talking about. It seems to be when you got that good live water with flying fish and you know whatever the bait, whatever the plankton source is but you know it's almost, I just noticed the other day we were catching sailfish and there's little bits of little small pieces of scattered grass around and I've... I said, man, I've seen this before when we've been getting bit. I've seen this before. So that's just how I think. Katie (46:52.352) Is that blue water what you're looking for too? Do you see a difference in the water clarity down there? Or up there? Over there? Mike Calabrese (47:00.486) Uh, yeah, I mean, definitely, definitely water in color is a thing. However, just when you think you got that figured out, you know, the sailfish will spin it up on you. Uh, last week the water was quite greenish. It was, it was green, blue, green, but more green and blue and they were snapping in it, you know, and, uh, when it was more about the weather those days, it was, it got very cold, you know, here in South Florida, that's what it takes to get the fish going is that. Katie (47:07.839) Hmm. Mike Calabrese (47:29.446) cold, cold weather. Yeah. Yeah. Katie (47:29.504) Cold snap. How cool. That's a nice little nugget of information right there. So I want to get a little bit into trolling, troll fishing. If the listener doesn't know anything about trolling, and I think you did a great job explaining the kites, can you give us just a little synopsis on what trolling is and what parts of the world do that? Mike Calabrese (47:36.134) I was saying... Uh huh. Mike Calabrese (47:51.566) Yeah, trolling, probably the most popular way to fish obviously throughout the world. And the last few years guys have gotten to kind of go in more to bait as opposed to lures. Obviously big marlin guys still will pull artificial lures for blue marlin with J hooks. But what we're seeing is everybody essentially fishing the same spread essentially, which is swimming, balihoo, chin weighted, circle hooks, light tackle, lighter leaders. you know dredges, squid chain teasers and then from there you can you know customize you know everybody's got their own little things of what color squid chain or what color islanders on the dredge or whatever. I think you just got to drive over the fish personally but uh yeah trolling trolling is a thing and it's fun the re I like trolling because fishing teasers is fun getting fish behind a teaser. teasing them up to the back of the boat is the most exciting thing I'd say in fishing a blue marlin on a teaser that just as you've I'm sure you've seen it a million times follow it to the back of the boat that the teaser is hanging from the outrigger it's still trying to eat it in the air swimming under it and it's it's just super exciting so that that's that's probably my favorite thing for sure is a blue marlin on a teaser but then you know yeah Costa Rica you know you're getting a bunch of sailfish bites as well on a teaser. Katie (49:03.103) Yeah. Katie (49:07.267) You can't beat it. Mike Calabrese (49:18.862) And it's just fun. It's fun being able to see the bite, to feed the fish 15 feet off the transom, the art of hooking a fish, letting them eat it, letting the reel roll, pushing the drag up. It's all fun. Missing the fish. A lot of misses. Katie (49:37.476) And it's very different because, you know what I'm saying? Missing the fish, having them come back for just the head of the ballyhoo if they're real hungry. Does that count as a miss? No. But if you get it on the Sand Cocho, you did not miss. So, shoot, I got distracted. Yeah, and you can cover quite a bit more ground trolling and the differentiation is, you know, well, there's a lot of differences, but. Mike Calabrese (49:46.092) Yep. If you catch it. Exactly. But yeah, trolling is great. Mike Calabrese (50:01.796) Yes. Katie (50:07.365) When you're kite fishing, you're live baiting. So you touched on this a little bit earlier, Mike, when you said that it's easier, well, relatively, it all, nuances aside, that when you have a live bait and you feed the fish, it's one thing that's very different from when you're trolling and you get a bite on a sailfish and you have to feed the fish. Can you, like, I feel like that's what you said. I've never live baited. fed a sailfish, so I don't know. Can you explain why one would be more complicated or what the differences would be if they're both equally complicated? Mike Calabrese (50:45.634) So yeah, they both have their challenges. The trolling bit is like the boat's moving ahead. So you're holding the reel in free spool with your thumb on the reel and there's pressure on the spool with your thumb because of your holding your bait. And once again, some guys are using bigger chin weights. So down here in Costa Rica we're fishing like a three quarter ounce chin weight. That's more pressure on your thumb when you're fishing, when you're in free spool waiting for the bite. So if you get a blind bite, you don't see it coming, you know, it goes zero to 60 pretty darn quick, which can lead to a lot of backlashes, blow ups to the reel, burnt thumbs, all that good stuff. That's what's harder about trolling is the speed of the boat and the fact that you're already holding the spool with pressure with your thumb. So when something pulls on it and you don't let go, you don't make that transition soft enough. you get a backlash essentially the reel will blow up on you or whatever and that's the hard part about trolling is that 0 to 60 in one second you know kite fishing yeah a long rigger bite you know let's face it you don't see them all coming you know and to do it you know you're going to have your best chance holding the rod with the reel and free spool clicker off you know if you're Katie (51:55.209) Cause they can be sneaky. Mike Calabrese (52:11.426) able to do that with as many anglers if you have enough anglers. But yeah, the boat moving ahead, that transition to letting the spool roll freely, well, after you had your thumb already on it and take your thumb off, it can get dicey pretty quick with the troll stuff. Kite fishing, challenging in other ways. So we're fishing that cork above a 15 foot leader with a lead on the line above the snap swivel. The purpose of the lead in kite fishing is to add weight to your whole thing so that the wind, because you have all that fishing line in the air, which the wind is blowing, which is wanting to pull your bait out of the water basically. So. Katie (52:53.514) Is the lead above the cork or below the cork? Mike Calabrese (52:56.673) Well, some people put it above, typically it's right below the cork. You'll slide, you know, got a bimini twist, you'll put a solid stainless ring, which is what goes in the clip, the ring. Then you got your cork, then you got your weight. And then the weight, the amount of weight is based upon how much wind you have those days. But that's a whole nother factor in, so you're kite fishing, you're sitting still, essentially, you're drifting, you're bumping into the wind, into the waves, or whatever you're doing. But you get a bite, you see your cork start to walk off or dot, you know, something funky is going on, you're getting a bite. You can't just dump it because you'll drop the weight on the fish's head. It's not the same as trolling in that, you know, if you go to like a full free spool, you're going to drop that weight in the water and then the fish is definitely going to feel that going on. So kite fishing, a lot of your fish, they come up jumping. So you're getting a bite. You're doing everything perfect, you're a little bit of thumb, just minimal to let the fish walk off and not feel any different pressure you're trying to do. Oftentimes they come up jumping, which is the challenge, which is where things go wrong typically. It's a cause of panic for a lot of people. What do I do now? The fish is jumping all over the place. Your line is still in the clip. And Wendy, the big... Katie (54:06.093) Mm -hmm. Katie (54:21.806) Are you at full strike? Mike Calabrese (54:24.353) No, so this is the question is when do you engage the reel? When do you attempt to pop your clip and get tight to the fish? So, me personally, if a fish comes up jumping, I actually at that point I want to put my weight down in the water because that way the fish is dragging the line and the weight behind it. If it's jumping, that line is always gonna be coming out down the body of the fish behind it. And you're putting... Katie (54:53.743) That makes perfect sense. Mike Calabrese (54:54.154) and it's dragging belly into water. Yeah, so if you have a fish jumping in the air and you try to pop your clip, you're pulling on it from above and that's usually when you'll pull the hook out or pull the bait out. I think when they come up jumping, I think they got stung with the hook. I think the hook point has stung them. It might not be all the way through the barb or through the corner, but they're stung and... Katie (55:21.453) Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (55:23.009) That's why they're jumping like crazy. And at that point, you know, I've been, I've been doing a little more angling this year than ever before actually. And, uh, um, you know, I will wait until the fish settles down before attempting to pop out of the clip and get tight to the fish off the rod. You want to, you want, it's all angles, essentially. It's all angles. And yeah, you don't want to pull, you know, up or pull, you know, you want the fish to be swimming away from you. Katie (55:42.543) That's so interesting. Mike Calabrese (55:52.385) down in the water, you want to get that low angle on coming tight and letting that circle hook find its home. So... Katie (56:00.368) Because like, because when you're trolling, if you get bit and you're feeding your fish and your fish comes up jumping before you engage the strike, the drag, more often than not, you're going to lose the fish and you have to get your rod tip down, keep that line in the water as much as possible, which is exactly, essentially the same principle you just said. So I love that. I love that makes total sense. But what a how interesting, you know, thinking about it with the with the line up in this in the. Mike Calabrese (56:07.425) Mm -hmm. Yep. You're not going to catch it. Yeah. Mike Calabrese (56:18.689) Same premise. Mike Calabrese (56:23.486) Yeah. Katie (56:30.224) in the air, in the sky with the kite still, because it's still in the clip when you get eaten, and then with that weight, man, that was cool. I'm really, yeah, I'm really excited you said that. Mike Calabrese (56:32.288) Right. Yep. Correct. Yep. angles. And then you have the weight too, like I was saying, it's neat. It's all physics, it's all geometry. And once again, you have the weight on your kite line, which is totally different than trolling. If that fish is jumping a hundred miles an hour, he's towing that weight and all that belly of the line through the water. People don't realize like you got to back off your drag. There's a lot more force and pressure down near the hook on the leader than most people. probably recognize when that fish is going 60 miles an hour through the water. Katie (57:12.273) Yeah, and especially like the more the more line you have in the water the more pressure there is. Mike Calabrese (57:17.791) more belly, more drag, yep, depending on if it's a windy day, you have ounce and a half of lead instead of a half ounce, you know, that's a bigger egg sinker, that's more drag in the water. So this is where the angling skill would come into play as far as not breaking fish off or pulling hooks and stuff like that, pulling the bait out of their mouth. Yeah. Katie (57:26.162) That's a lot. Katie (57:40.916) Man, that's cool. Time has flown by. I did not realize we've already been talking for about an hour. I really want to touch on, you mentioned teaser fishing and that it's your favorite too. My personal favorite is Blue Marlin Bait and Switch, right? I love having teasers, no hooks in the water, two dredges in the water, which can be considered, some people call them teasers as well, submerged teasers. And then to pitch a Mike Calabrese (57:48.511) Great, yeah. Mike Calabrese (57:58.431) Absolutely. Katie (58:10.101) baited, like a hooked bait out to the marlin after you take the teaser away. Can you, I know that, I mean, firetails is one of my favorite artificial dredge baits, if not the number one to me on our operation. We had at, in the mag season this last year, we had a Tinker dredge, Tinker mackerel dredge from your new firetail strips and absolutely loved that thing. It was so rad. Can you tell our listeners a little bit? Mike Calabrese (58:29.503) Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (58:35.232) Thank you. Katie (58:37.429) about your firetails project, because I want to hear all about it. Mike Calabrese (58:39.615) Yeah, thank you very much. So I'm also a mate. I've been a mate for 20 years on private sport fish boats. Captain as well. However, I've only had a couple. I've stuck with my jobs. I've had great jobs, worked for great captains, and I've had longevity in my jobs, which is still a mate. However, I like to work efficiently and smartly. We used to go to Isla Mujeres fishing for sailfish. That was my first real. I you know I did all the other travels with the ship and all that down the Pacific I never I never knew about dredge fishing You know I wish I could go back with what I know now honestly however yeah, so I get down there to Mexico and I get to learn this stuff and You know a lot of people think you know if you have all mullet on your dredge you're gonna do better right so we're all Ballyhoo dredge whatever natural dredge equals better fishing I I I learned that's not the case in my opinion. Being in the right place, presenting your baits on the right angle, you know, tacks with the sea, all those sort of things, being in the right place, in my opinion, are far more important than what you have on your dredge. And even your hook baits are far more important as far as how they're presenting and swimming. So anyhow, we used to fish a ton, rig a bunch of bait, and you know. We would fish many days in a row. After fishing, I'd have to have dinner on a boat. It never ended, it was long hours. And we were fishing, yeah, back then there was rubber shads, which are, you know, they look great, they work great. But durability wise, like, you know, they get a bite, the tail rip off. And so people started using the mud flaps, which once again, very cool. I personally... Katie (01:00:14.488) No, it never ends. Katie (01:00:31.705) And the mud flaps are essentially for the listener that doesn't know it's a tuna silhouette. So it looks like a tuna swimming from below, from the low, if a marlin looks up at it. Mike Calabrese (01:00:38.8) Correct. Right. Yep, they got the pectoral fins, which is great. You know, got a great silhouette. However, I like action. I like, I feel like especially if you're going to go under the water, actions is going to help you. You know, if you, if you're pulling something on the surface, you know, marlin lure, something that bubbles, makes smoke, it's easier to trick a fish when they're looking up at something. But when they can size something up from next to it underwater, you know, I personally want my baits to wiggle. So anyway, I started thinking outside the box, thinking of how I can make... Yep. You're good. Katie (01:01:12.22) Well hold on, hold on, pause real quick. Pause real quick, I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but I want to make sure that the listener knows a dredge is essentially, it's pulled underwater, a couple feet underwater, and it's designed to simulate a school of bait. And these fish, these billfish specifically, they're visual feeders, and they really like to go after, just like all things in the wild, they'll go after the weakest link. So if you see a school of bait swimming, Mike Calabrese (01:01:23.196) Mm -hmm. Katie (01:01:39.868) and then you see one bait swimming behind it, AKA a hooked ballyhoo, that fish is more likely to go off of the flat line, the hooked ballyhoo, and feed off of there, right? Which is attached to a fishing rod. And hopefully an angler holding the reel, like we were talking about earlier. So that's what these dredges are. So go on, Mike, you started thinking. Mike Calabrese (01:01:45.34) Flatline. Mike Calabrese (01:01:52.734) Yep. Yep. Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (01:01:59.421) Yeah, so, you know, your boat obviously is not supposed to be out there in the natural environment. It's a man -made thing, giant boat, propeller spinning. The fish will swim right up to the back of a boat, right? I mean, they're curious, but the boat is the biggest teaser is what I'm saying. And then the next thing they'll see hopefully are the dredges, which are closest to the boat in the wash there, outside the wash. But yeah, we're mimicking a school of bait and you know. Katie (01:02:10.685) making a bunch of noise. Mike Calabrese (01:02:29.18) If you want to have 36 baits on your dredge, it's a heck of a lot of work. It's a heck of a lot of money in mullet or ballyhoo that ultimately don't even last all day per se. You might even have to change them. It's a ton of work, which is okay, but sometimes if you've got to fish 12 days in a row, there's different influences. So we would mix in artificials. I just got to thinking there's got to be a better way than... Katie (01:02:38.685) They don't. Katie (01:02:48.189) It's brutal. It's a lot of work and it's a lot of money. Mike Calabrese (01:02:59.226) existing products that are available. So I just you know started playing around there was a canvas shop behind where my boat was docked in Fort Lauderdale and You know that guy helped me out with like some stitching and sewing and stuff and yeah, we came up with fabric fabric strips essentially that You know, they swim very well We got color They're lightweight So therefore dredge fishing used to be a big pain. You'd break dredges all the time. You'd always be fixing broken stuff, fixing washed out baits. Now... Katie (01:03:35.102) And the more remote you are, the harder it is to get quality gear. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Mike Calabrese (01:03:37.948) Yeah, I mean, freezers, now it's just gotten easier and less breakage, less wear and tear on stuff. And it's making

In this podcast episode, Katie interviews Chloe Mikles, a PhD student studying bluefin tuna. They discuss Chloe's research on bluefin tuna and blue marlin movement ecology and population structures. Chloe explains the process of tagging fish and the importance of tracking their migration patterns. Katie and Chloe also talk about the bluefin tuna fishery in North Carolina and the international management of bluefin tuna populations around the world. Chloe shares her background and interest in studying bluefin tuna and discusses her PhD work on population differentiation. They also touch on the handling and care of tagged fish and the differences between handling bluefin tuna and billfish. In this conversation, Katie and Chloe discuss the tagging and tracking of marlin and tuna throughout the Atlantic Ocean. They explore the use of satellite tags and archival tags to collect data on the fish's behavior, including their location, depth, and temperature, and why it is important. They also discuss the challenges of tag recovery and the importance of collaboration with fishermen. The conversation highlights the physiological adaptations of bluefin tuna and their exceptional ability to cross the ocean. The rebound of the bluefin tuna population is also discussed, along with the importance of fisheries management and the economic impact of the fishery. Chloe offers advice for young scientists, emphasizing the importance of following one's passion and staying open to opportunities.   Takeaways   Chloe Mikles is a PhD student studying bluefin tuna and blue marlin movement ecology and population structures. Tagging fish is an important part of Chloe's research to track their migration patterns and understand population differentiation. The bluefin tuna fishery in North Carolina is regulated by size limits and quotas, and the fish are harvested for commercial purposes. International collaboration is crucial for the management of bluefin tuna populations, as they are highly migratory and cross the jurisdictions of many nations. Proper handling and care of tagged fish, such as minimizing air exposure and swimming the fish before release, help reduce mortality rates. Satellite tags and archival tags are used to track the behavior of marlin and tuna, providing data on their location, depth, and temperature. Tag recovery missions can be challenging, as the tags are small and can be difficult to locate in the vast ocean.   Bluefin tuna are endothermic fish, able to regulate their body temperature and withstand a wide range of temperatures. Foraging hotspots and oceanographic conditions play a role in the feeding patterns and migration of bluefin tuna. Collaboration with fishermen is crucial for successful research and fisheries management, as they have valuable knowledge and observations of the fishery. The rebound of the bluefin tuna population demonstrates the effectiveness of strict management regulations and the importance of sustainable fishing practices, despite the many challenges that can be derived from these efforts.   Find Chloe on instagram at @coastal_chloe ----more---- TRANSCRIPT   Katie (00:22.905) Hey, what's up you guys? Welcome to the Katie C Sawyer podcast. I'm sitting here with Chloe Mikles, a remarkable young woman that I have been fan-girling over on the internet for years now. Chloe, thank you so much for being here with me. Chloe (00:37.698) Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I feel like likewise, I've been fangirling over you for years too. So it's always fun to sit down and talk with you. Katie (00:45.849) That's so sweet. I really appreciate it. All right, you guys, Chloe is a PhD candidate at Stanford University, working with Dr. Barbara Block, a legend, studying bluefin tuna and blue marlin, movement ecology and population structures. Chloe, can you tell our listeners just like a brief synopsis of what that means? Chloe (01:07.882) Yes, so yeah, we oftentimes get caught up with like tossing in a lot of scientific jargon with our work. So Basically, I am in graduate school and for my dissertation work. I am learning from my advisor Barb Block and I am doing everything from going out into the field to tagging the fish which is the most fun part and probably what we'll talk the most about and then reading a bunch of papers to the scientific literature and I do some lab work as well, and then it all ends up, the culmination of the PhD is basically writing a bunch of scientific papers that summarize our findings. Katie (01:47.477) So what kind of questions are you asking about these populations? Chloe (01:53.258) So you can start off like very, you can go from very simple to very complex, basically, these questions. The most basic question is, we're putting tags on animals to see where they go. And you can make that more and more and more complex. So for example, from Marlin in North Carolina, blue marlin have been tagged all over the world, but not that many have been tagged off the coast of North Carolina. So by focusing efforts regionally in different locations, we can get a better idea of where the fish that pass through there go. And basically like if their migration patterns are different, if there are different populations of fish that are traveling elsewhere and just trying to learn more and more about these fish because it's so hard to study the ocean. I mean, it's not like, you know, a deer or a mountain lion or something where you can actually like watch where they go and track them or, you know, put a radio color on them and see where they go. The ocean is really hard to study. Everything's underwater. Everything's innately then more cryptic. Um, the technology is much more difficult to actually get something that can track animals underwater. So the more tags that we put out and the more data that we collect, it's like, we're constantly learning more about these fish every single time. Katie (03:07.065) really love that you just like compared the ocean towards land mammals and land predators out there and animals that we've been studying and trying to manage for a long time. We still have so far to go to properly manage our wildlife on land and the ocean is that much more difficult to do. So we'll get into that a little bit a little later because I want to really touch on what you're doing and what kind of questions and answers we're getting from that. But for the sake of Chloe (03:18.536) Mm-hmm. Chloe (03:22.764) Right. Chloe (03:26.322) Exactly. Chloe (03:32.415) Yeah. Katie (03:36.979) I'm a blue marlin girl. Let's focus our energy on the bluefin tuna because it's just there's such fascinating animals and I have so many questions for you. So first off let's start with where you started. Where did you grow up? Chloe (03:38.982) I know. Cool. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chloe (03:55.074) So I grew up in North Carolina and that is, yeah, that's a big reason why I've chose to study these fish for my PhD. So my family had a place on the coast of the Southern Outer Banks. And I just grew up there always being so fascinated by the ocean. And then kind of like in my most formative years when I was an undergrad and like right out of college, I made, you know, I made some of my best friends in my life and was fishing constantly. And... that reason, like, I love animals. I have always been passionate about studying them. It probably could have been anything, but the fact that, like, in those years I became so obsessed with offshore fishing, that's, yeah, that really did it. I know. Yeah. So... Katie (04:38.381) I got chicken skin. I feel that. I feel that on so many levels. So you did your undergrad at Cornell, right? You had a, didn't you have a full ride scholarship swimming? Chloe (04:51.17) So I did swim there for four years. The Ivy League actually doesn't provide like athletic scholarships, which is interesting. Yeah, but yes. So I swam at Cornell for four years. I majored in animal science. My original plan was to be a vet because I loved animals. And then I was doing a couple of internships with North Carolina State University and their Marine Station on the coast, actually working with both like fisheries biologists and Marine veterinarians. Katie (04:53.111) No big deal. Chloe (05:21.038) And I was like, this is so cool. Like I didn't realize that there was a career where you can actually study the ocean. Like I was getting paid as an intern. I mean, not much, but I was getting paid as an intern to go offshore and tag Mahi. I was like, this is so much fun. This is so cool. Um, and then as far as bluefin tuna, um, I just saw firsthand how important that fishery was to the local community. And it was like this amazing seasonal thing where every winter, Katie (05:35.441) Yeah. Chloe (05:50.994) It's like everyone would be commercial fishing for them. Like you would get your hardcore commercial fishermen who fish all year round fishing for bluefin tuna. But then you would get people who just do different jobs, um, take off weeks to partake in the commercial bluefin fishery for a couple of weeks. And yeah, it's a really different, I think it's a very unique commercial fishery. It's very different from most places in the country and the world. Um, it's a very short season, but Katie (06:07.493) That's fascinating. Chloe (06:19.934) I saw how much money it brought in to the local community, how excited people were, like, you know, there'd be little kids coming to see the bluefin brought in. And it was just like this, and it coincides with, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas. So it's like this holiday season, just an extra excitement to the holiday season. Katie (06:39.013) Definitely. Tell us a little bit. So there's three populations of bluefin. There's the Atlantic bluefin, the Pacific, and the southern bluefin, correct? Chloe (06:48.806) Yeah, so those are three different species. It gets very complex when you start, yeah. So there are different species of bluefin tuna and then they're within the Atlantic, there are different populations. So it can get very complex depending on, yeah. Mm-hmm. Katie (06:51.294) Okay. Okay, right. Katie (07:00.261) So, right? And the more we know, the less we know. So in North Carolina, you're fishing for, or the commercial industry is fishing for bluefin, the Atlantic bluefin tuna. Chloe (07:08.508) Yeah, that's the best way of saying it. Mm-hmm. Katie (07:19.129) Tell me a little bit about the sizes of fish that are harvested and what the regulations are there. Like how many tags, what the release ratio might be, like give us a little bit of insight into that fishery specifically. Chloe (07:19.211) Yeah. Chloe (07:25.302) Mm-hmm. Chloe (07:29.506) Hmm. Chloe (07:35.242) Yeah, so specifically in North Carolina, well, actually just federally in the United States, a bluefin commercially has to be over 73 inches. So that's a pretty big fish. In North Carolina, it's a mixed size class of, I mean, you get fish probably as small as 50 inches and up to like upwards of 110. So it's a big range, but what's nice is you're not getting like a ton of the really little ones. Like you might get off the coast of Massachusetts, or not really little, but smaller. Yeah, I don't know if that upset anyone, but compared to the giants that you get in Nova Scotia or, I mean, people in Massachusetts still get really big ones too, but you know what I mean. Katie (08:10.021) Careful. Katie (08:16.263) Right. Katie (08:21.445) Yes, of course, of course, yes. We love you Massachusetts. So 73, you said 73 inches is qualifies as a giant, correct? Chloe (08:26.606) I don't want to call anyone out. Yeah, that's. Um, yeah, I think so. I forget all of that. Noah has it all spelled out, but 73 inches to harvest commercially. Yeah. Katie (08:36.069) That's okay. We don't... Yeah, yeah. And how many tags or how many, is it a tonnage or is it like how much can be harvested in the season? Chloe (08:48.678) Yeah. So it's based off of quota. And what makes this a really tricky fishery for people also is that once the quota is met or they predict that it's about to be met, they'll close the fishery immediately, like effective, like tomorrow at midnight, essentially. So you really don't have a great idea. Like when you start, I mean, you can, you know, if North Carolina knows like, Oh, we're going to get 60 metric tons for December. Then people have a good idea of. how quickly that will fill up, whether that's gonna be a week or two weeks, always depends on how good the fishing is, the size of the fish, the size classes that are coming through there. And then there's a limit of one per vessel per day. Katie (09:29.837) Okay, that's interesting. Really cool. So that's all fine and dandy. NOAA regulates federally in the U.S. But these are highly migratory species. So how does that work on an international level? Chloe (09:34.974) Mm-hmm. Chloe (09:40.206) Yeah Chloe (09:43.506) It's, yeah, that's the problem of the bluefin tuna and other highly migratory species is that they cross the jurisdictions of many different nations. I can't remember what the number is. I think for like all bluefin tuna, it's like over 50 different nations that are competing for this resource. So if you're a bluefin tuna, everywhere that you go, someone's trying to catch you. So in the Atlantic, they are managed by this international organization called ICAT. um, which I'm going to blink on the acronym, the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas. And they manage, bluefin, thanks, um, there are so many different, across the world there, like seven different, they're called RFMOs, Regional Fishery Management Organizations, and they all have like, similar, slightly similar, but differing names. It's hard to keep them all straight, but they manage for the most part all the highly migratory species of their set region. Katie (10:21.709) You nailed it. Chloe (10:43.562) So they set the quotas for different countries and perform the stock assessments and do all of the complicated data analysis and politics. Katie (10:54.373) So the politics are done internationally, regulated internationally as well as nationally. But there's so many questions we still have about this tuna, which is why your work and Dr. Block's work and all the work at Hopkins is so important, correct? Now go for it. No, no, no. Tell me what you just say. Chloe (10:59.11) Right. Correct, yeah. Mm-hmm. Chloe (11:09.61) Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it's, oh, go ahead. Oh, I was going to, it's really an international effort. Like, yes, we have our lab that's based at Stanford, but we are working with collaborators all across the world, from Canada to Spain, Italy. There's a country where bluefin tuna go, you name it. We've probably worked with them in some regard, as far as getting samples or tagging fish. So it's, oh, right. Yeah. Katie (11:34.265) That's awesome. I was able, and you know this, but I was in the Canary Islands with the On Location when Tag a Giant Foundation came over and we helped them catch fish to tag four-year studies and it was in collaboration with the University in Barcelona. So that was really incredible. I hope that you and I get to go do that one day. Have you been over there? Chloe (11:42.306) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chloe (11:54.282) Oh, mm-hmm. Chloe (11:58.854) I know. I haven't. It is my dream to go there. I want to go so badly. I'm gonna push for it this year. I have a lot of work to do. So unfortunately, like the further... yeah. Katie (12:08.953) You're in your fourth year, right? You're in your fourth year, so it's kind of busy, right? Chloe (12:14.018) Right, the further you get in the PhD, it's probably the more data analysis and the less fun in tagging, but hopefully I get a chance to get out. Katie (12:21.913) That's why they hook you early. That's cool. Okay, so let's go ahead and talk about the tagging. Let's talk about what these programs look like. I wanna know what Taggagiant's doing over in the Canaries and what they're doing in North Carolina and everywhere else and what we've discovered from them. Chloe (12:24.035) Yeah, exactly. Chloe (12:28.12) Mm-hmm. Chloe (12:37.14) Mm-hmm. Chloe (12:41.758) Yeah. So what's cool is basically everywhere that we go, we are working with the local community that's there. Like, we're in California. We can't just show up somewhere and pretend like we know how to catch bluefin tuna and just go off and be successful. Like, that would never work. Katie (12:58.048) I love the picture you just painted. That was perfect. Keep going. Chloe (13:02.43) So, you know, whether it's Nova Scotia or the Canaries or North Carolina, we're working with commercial and recreational fishermen in those locations who are the experts of catching bluefin in that spot. Like, you know, when you're in the Canaries, like, it's probably very different fishing than if you were in Southern California or if you were somewhere else. So, it's really special because I get to learn when I travel to these locations, all of the, you know, very regional specifics. what everyone has, you know, their different superstitions and their different techniques and what they swear by and um here do I could you lose me I'm oh okay Katie (13:37.397) Oh no. Hold on. I did lose you, but I think it might have been on my side. Oh shoot, let's start. I heard from regional specifics, so if you could kind of go a little bit back and we'll try again. Sorry. Chloe (13:54.582) Okay, no, you're good. Yeah, so when we travel to these different locations, we really just get to spend the time working with the commercial and recreational fishermen who all have these regional specifics of gear types and superstitions and things that they swear by. And it's a really cool opportunity to learn. And that's the reason that we're successful because we have the people that are experts for that region helping us tag the fish. So. It usually requires a lot of complex permitting to make sure that we get everyone, you know, on the same page, but usually people are really excited and, uh, really helpful and people are just innately curious about these fish. And, um, for the most part, everyone's very happy to be a part of it. So it requires a lot of coordination, but, um, it's great cause we get to tag fish of different populations, fish of different age and size classes and The goal for most of our work is to track these fish to their spawning grounds. And in the canaries, those fish are mostly going to spawn in the Mediterranean sea. In North Carolina, it's a very mixed batch. We get some that are going to spawn in the Mediterranean sea, some in the Gulf of Mexico. And then there's a spawning location that is, um, people are working really hard right now to understand better called the slope sea, which is off the coast, basically north of Hatteras all the way to the Scotian Shelf. It's like this weird kind of like shape off the continental shelf and bordered by the Gulf Stream. So we've discovered that there are some fish spawning there. So the goal is to track these spawning fish and figure out where they're going. And to understand like, oh, in Nova Scotia, maybe we have predominantly Gulf of Mexico fish, but maybe that's shifting year to year. So you wanna know which population the fish originates from to be able to better manage the stock. That's a hold. Katie (16:00.197) So, there are two, maybe three, maybe more populations of bluefin tuna in the Atlantic. One population is what you're dubbing the med population, and the other one is the gulf population. So, what you're saying is these fish consistently go back to their same spawning grounds once they're of maturity every year. Wow. Chloe (16:04.942) Correct, yeah. Right. Yes. Chloe (16:21.214) Mm-hmm. Yes, that's our understanding. And I mean, sure enough, we're going to get one day that goes to both and throws the whole thing out the window. But for right now, the understanding is, yes, that they're managed by ICAT as two populations, the Gulf and the Med for sake of simplicity. And they'll refer to that as the Western and the Eastern populations. So. Katie (16:30.289) I'm sorry. Chloe (16:47.134) Yeah, it gets, it gets complicated because then they're mixing in the middle of the ocean. But we do, I've been working on a lot of tagging data showing that they repeat, visit these spawning locations year to year, when we can have longer term tags on them. Katie (17:02.297) and you take little samples, are these populations genetically different? Chloe (17:07.551) So that is the question of my PhD. How did you know? So yeah, my PhD work is really aiming at specifically characterizing these populations from an ecological movement-based standpoint and also a genomic standpoint. So there have been a lot of different genetic markers used over the years to try to characterize and figure out how they're different. from smaller subsets of genetic markers across the genome. People can say, oh, this one's Gulf, this one's Med, this one is maybe something in between, not really sure. So I'm using the whole genome of the animal to try to really increase the amount of markers that we can use to differentiate them. So yeah, so when we go out and we tag the fish, I will usually get a small thin clip from them and... we try to get a fin clip and a muscle biopsy. And sometimes, you know, things are chaos on a boat and you miss them, which is too bad. But we try to do our best and get as many as possible. Yeah, exactly. So we get those and then I'll go and collect samples from fish that are landed also whenever I have the time. Katie (18:10.413) Because you have like a 600 pound fish on the deck. Katie (18:22.993) So, okay, for the listeners that might be like, wait, what is this? You're actually taking parts, parts of a living animal and putting it on the deck and that sounds horrible. You terrible person, Chloe. You're awful. Anyway, let's talk about the process and how, and how it's not at all terrible and what is, what, what type of measures you guys take to make sure that fish is as comfortable as possible. Chloe (18:26.958) Yeah. Right. Chloe (18:36.974) Yeah, the process. Chloe (18:47.722) Yeah. So part of it, you know, it all starts when you hook the fish. So we really try to use, always use circle hooks to maximize being hooked in the corner of the jaw. So that makes one thing easier. And then you also want the fight time to be as quick as possible. So we're not trying to be sporty about it. We're just trying to get these fish into the boat as quick as possible. When we get them into the boat, which is also a difficult process, we have to hook the fish basically in its lower jaw. and pull it up onto the boat with a rope and it usually takes several people depending on how big it is. And then once the fish is on the boat we have it in this blue mat that you'll see in a lot of our pictures. And someone like hand sewed that mat for us a long time ago and I don't like that's not something you can just go out and buy like someone made it specifically for our work and has handles on it so we can turn the fish. But that protects the... Katie (19:20.588) Mm-hmm. Katie (19:40.737) Sorry, I'm laughing because I remember when Robbie showed up in Gomera with this hand-sewn mat and I was like, it was massive. And those boys, man, they were packing them up on the flight for the flight back and I was like, what are y'all doing? It was making so much noise. Anyway, continue with your mat. I interrupted you. It's just a fond memory I have. But it, talk about a little bit before you go on about the purpose of that mat. Chloe (19:59.54) No, you're good. Yeah. Katie (20:07.429) and sliding that fish onto the deck and the slime of the fish. Chloe (20:08.614) Yeah, mm-hmm. Right, so that's important, as you just said, yeah, to protect the fish's slime. And, you know, there's a lot of stuff, like the deck of the boat is made to be grippy so that we are not slipping around on it. When, you know, you have a mate in the cockpit trying to wire a fish, like, you need to have your feet be grippy on the ground, so, but that is really damaging the fish's skin. So, hence our mat. And then we stick a hose in their mouth to irrigate their gills. So we're always checking like whatever boat we're tagging on, like I'm bugging the captain, like, Hey, is your hose a high enough pressure? Because we need a lot of water moving through this fish's gills. And then, um, because yeah, a fun fact about bluefin tuna and other, um, highland migratory fish is that they have to be moving forward to breathe underwater. So they use, as you're familiar with a process called ram ventilation, which is like the literally need water being pushed through their mouth. to irrigate their gills. So if you stop them, yeah. Yes. I think, yeah, some species of sharks. I'm not a shark expert, but I don't know. But yeah, bluefin and blue marlin for sure and other tuna species. So, and they're the ones, you know, they're moving fast essentially. So if you stop those fish, Katie (21:08.845) Same with billfish, sharks, correct? Mm-hmm. So if you stop them. Okay, yeah. Let's not go there. Go on. So if you stop at tuna... Chloe (21:33.95) it would be very hard for them to be breathing. So that's why we put the hose in their mouth. And then we put a cover over their eye just to protect their eye. I mean, they could be looking around and seeing what we're doing. They're honestly like too big to move around while we're doing anything for them. Like when you put this big fish on the deck, it's usually not big enough to actually like lift its tail up in like, you know, gravity is a much stronger force than they're facing in the ocean when they're moving. So they usually can't lift. their tail up that high to start doing like the tuna slap on the deck that you see like smaller ones do. Right. And then, yeah. Katie (22:09.073) the smaller ones yeah. I thought the I thought the towel over the eye was to keep them calm to keep it dark and kind of just Chloe (22:20.142) Maybe. Yeah, I mean, protect their eye, keep it. I mean, I don't really know if we didn't put the towel on their eye if they would be less calm. We could test it, but it's just something we always do. So maybe. Yeah. Katie (22:31.46) No. Yeah, of course. It's like a spa day for the comfort of the fish, my bad. Chloe (22:38.386) They're being abducted by these human scientists and probed and then sent back into the ocean. I would love to know what they think. And then while the fish is on the deck, we get a couple measurements. So we get their curved fork length, their girth, and then I take a fin clip, a muscle biopsy, we stick the tags in. We also put a spaghetti tag in the fish that has a phone number to call. Katie (22:40.578) Ha! Chloe (23:05.418) So those, I mean, a lot of people in tournaments are just for fun, we'll go out and spaghetti tag fish. And that'll be really valuable information for a point A to point B. So we have that as an identifier on there. Usually one sort of electronic tag. Sometimes fish get two tags. Um, and then we turn them around and set them back. And because we're tagging them with electronic tags, we actually know what happens to the fish. So if the fish were to die, which for the most part does not happen. I mean, it's very rare. I'm not gonna say it never does. Every once in a while, unfortunately, one dies, but we know and we report that right away. So that's part of the research. Like if a fish weren't to make it, which rarely happens, the tag actually pops off of the animal. So there's a sensor on there that basically, if it sinks to the bottom and it doesn't move for three days, then the tag pops off. Katie (23:40.741) science. Chloe (24:04.47) But the great thing is that doesn't usually happen. So we know that the fish, yeah. Right. Katie (24:07.033) That's crazy. So you don't have to wait the 360 days of the tag life. It's just, it lets you know immediately. Chloe (24:16.498) Yeah, we're usually just like, I mean, just for the, you know, we always like hold our breath for a couple of days. And we're like, if we haven't heard from it, then it's good. The fish is moving. It's somewhere. Like, you know, I was, I tagged my first blue marlin last year and I was just like hoping, hoping I was like, this is my first one. Like, I hope it's going to be okay. And, um, you know, also that I placed the tag correctly and it doesn't pop off of the animal and then if you don't hear from it, exactly. Yeah. These. Katie (24:41.349) That's an expensive mistake. Chloe (24:45.398) The satellite tags are like four or $5,000 a piece. So it's nerve wracking. Yeah, you wanna make sure that it goes well. Right, and then for that part, we're also taking as good of care of the fish as possible. Like if a fish comes up on the boat and it's like a seam or comes up to the boat, usually we don't bring it on the boat if it looks stressed. You know, like if the color is off, if it doesn't look good, if we ever accidentally get a tail wrapped fish, God forbid that, like we cut it loose, let it go, try to swim it to get it moving again. Katie (24:51.157) It's super, it's a lot of pressure. Chloe (25:15.398) and we're not going to put a fish that isn't in great condition through the stress of tagging. Katie (25:20.729) Yes, so for the listener, Chloe just mentioned if we ever get a tail wrap fish. We were talking earlier about how tuna and a lot of pelagic species need to be moving forward to breathe. So if you get your fishing line wrapped around the tail of the fish, you're going to end up pulling it from the back, backwards and then pushing water through the gills in the wrong direction. So that's how they asphyxiate. But there are ways as an angler and a captain to help mitigate these issues and make sure that they don't happen. Chloe (25:23.31) Mm-hmm. Chloe (25:29.803) Mm. Chloe (25:38.572) Right. Chloe (25:42.754) Mm-hmm. Katie (25:50.663) if they do happen to address it early and make sure that fish lives through the process. Now we'll get into that another time but I just wanted to touch base on why tail wrapping is such a bad thing. Now Chloe what I find fascinating is that these bluefin tuna and other tuna are so stout they're so sturdy and they can take that type of Chloe (25:59.49) Mm-hmm. Chloe (26:04.15) Yeah, thank you. Mm-hmm. Chloe (26:16.322) Mm-hmm. Right. Katie (26:20.661) I don't want to say harassment, but that type of, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Yes, yes, and, and then live on it happily. I mean, like you, like you said, the science shows, the data shows. Now, I said we weren't going to talk about blue marlin, but Bill Fish, you don't take them out of the water to tag them, do you? Chloe (26:24.241) Stressed, yeah. Chloe (26:31.155) Yeah. Chloe (26:38.505) Yeah. No. So billfish are considerably more fragile than bluefin tuna. And like the smaller billfish, like spearfish and sailfish are very, very fragile for whatever reason. Those fish, like, you know, in the States and I can't remember if other countries, but in the States, it's illegal to pick one up out of the water unless you're going to harvest it. So those fish, you want to Chloe (27:11.074) For pictures sake, you know, the GoPro stick was invented and people have found a way to like get a great picture shot of a sailfish next to the boat without having to bring it out of the water. Yeah. Exactly. They die, right? Katie (27:21.209) So much prettier than when they take them out of the water. They get all dark, they're ugly, and then most of the time they die. But in the water, they're properly aerated, they've got all their beautiful colors. So definitely encourage the listener, if you guys go bill fishing, to keep your fish in the water and take a picture that way. But Chloe, how do we know that they don't survive and why has it become legally mandated to keep these fish in the water? Chloe (27:31.566) Right. Chloe (27:44.158) Mm-hmm. So there have actually been a ton of scientific studies evaluating catch and release mortality. So that's basically the percentage of fish that are caught angled a certain way and released. So there's a huge body of literature and a lot of scientists that work on that question and so many different species. And you can get very, very specific with it. You can have a certain, like there are different, basically more catch and release mortality estimates for. every single different species and every different way of capture. So you'll have someone evaluating light tackle catch and release mortality on, um, blue marlin or bluefin tuna or the same, you know, the same for any other species. And you're really trying to estimate like, okay, what can we do to minimize, um, mortality for these fish? And a lot of times it's, um, quicker fight times, limiting air exposure, limiting handling, um, It's things that all like kind of make sense when you spend a lot of time out on the water and you see how these fish react. But you know, it's like when I first started trout fishing, I was like, wow, trout are super fragile. Like you know, you fight those fish too long and they like can't even swim again. So ocean fish in general are more are a lot tougher. But yeah, we don't bring I think that some of the earlier studies with blue marlin, maybe they think. Katie (28:55.513) Yeah. Chloe (29:10.73) At some point people probably were bringing them on the boat and then they were seeing from the tags that they just don't survive. Or if you don't swim the fish when you're releasing it. We found from a lot of tagging work that if a fish is really tired after tagging it, you really need to take the time to swim it and release it. That practice thankfully is caught on widely in the whole bill fishing community and I see people having those videos. Because everyone wants that video of showing that your fish swam away. Katie (29:33.474) Yes. Katie (29:39.633) The healthy release. Yes, we're not out there because, exactly, we're not out there because we don't like them. So no, they're incredible. We always swim, especially our big fish, we always swim our big fish. And you can tell, like I mentioned earlier, the coloring of the fish helps show how healthy and the lack of color shows the level of stress. So how do you tag your marlin? Chloe (29:39.766) We all care so much about these fish. Yeah, we don't want them to die. Ha ha. Right. Mm-hmm. Chloe (29:57.249) Right. Chloe (30:02.123) Mm-hmm. Chloe (30:06.006) So yes, the marlin, it's a huge coordinated effort between captain, mate, or mate's plural sometimes, and whoever's tagging the fish. So usually, it depends on whether you're tournament fishing or what, but usually the captain will try to back down on the fish quickly to minimize the fight time. And then as long as the fish isn't too green, like you want it to be somewhat under control also. So it's a really fine balance. Like. Katie (30:33.029) Green is not a color, it's a behavior. Chloe (30:35.47) Green is a behavior, yes. Thank you. So you'll have a fish, you know, you can't safely tag a fish that is still jumping and tail dancing across the water. You need it to be somewhat under control, but not too tired that it's like having a hard time moving. So it's this really fine balance. And then, you know, it requires the mate to get it close to the boat. And then we like to place the tag right under the dorsal fin. And I think I sent you some pictures that we can show listeners later, but that is like the spot where you want to tag the fish to help like it's above their lateral line, which is a really cool sensory organ that we can talk about later. Um, but you want it to be like deep into the muscle. Um, but then like it's, you really have to avoid like damaging any specific organs. So it's like kind of in the shoulder of the fish, I guess. Um, and then it's in the spot that. Katie (31:06.149) Definitely. Chloe (31:32.562) really minimizes any sort of drag also. So we don't want this tag, you know, and we also don't tag small marlin. We only tag ones that are big enough so that the tag actually isn't interfering with their, or minimally interfering with their day-to-day activities, swimming life. So it can be hard because like you'll get a fish next to the boat, a marlin, and the mate's holding on as hard as he can trying to get it in the right position and the fish is just like rolling over like belly up. Katie (31:50.26) I love it. Chloe (32:02.326) You're like, well, I need you to be sideways so you can get the tag in on the side. Right. So it can be very tricky to keep the fish in the right position. Yeah. And then we have a long tagging pole that AFCO makes that we, uh, is super easy and lightweight and you can just stab the tag into its back and let it go on its way. Yeah. Katie (32:02.335) Yeah. Katie (32:05.785) Give me your dorsal! Katie (32:12.601) That's... yeah. Katie (32:25.765) Let it go on its way. Awesome. Switching gears back to Bluefin. Let's talk, and it's the same thing with these blue marlin tags too, but I really wanna focus on these tuna of yours. What all do the satellite tags, what type of information do they gather, and how does that information get brought into the day by day of the fish? Like telling us about the day by day of the fish. Chloe (32:31.062) Yeah. Chloe (32:34.998) Mm-hmm. Chloe (32:49.694) Yeah. So the satellite tags, I wish I had one to show you, but it's basically this. Yeah. So the satellite tag is this waterproof pressure proof package that contains a computer chip inside a battery, all of these different sensors. So start from like the top of the tag. It has a light stock that is measuring the light levels. Katie (32:56.249) We'll show it on while you're talk. Chloe (33:16.734) And from that, we can actually mathematically geolocate where the fish is. So we know when the sun rises and we know when the sun sets and we use different mathematical algorithms based off of that to position the fish. So that data all gets stored inside the tag. Then we also have an external temperature sensor that's sensing the environment around the fish, the water that it's in. So when it's diving deep or on the surface or travel anywhere, you can get the temperature of where the fish is. And then there's a pressure sensor, which you can calculate depth from. So as you go down, pressure increases and we can determine basically to the exact meter. Science uses all metric, which makes things complicated going back and forth, but we can figure out exactly the depth of fish is swimming at. And then, so that's a satellite tag. There are also, I can talk more about later, archival tags that we surgically implant in their bellies. And the only difference between those is, The archival tags also have an internal temperature sensor, but then they also stay with the fish for life. So the satellite tag is this package that detaches from the fish after a pre-programmed time. So in its computer sensor, and depending on what sort of experiments we're doing, we'll set that time differently. So you can set it to pop off after a couple of days, after a week, after two weeks, you can set the exact number of days, but usually we set them to a year, or as long as we can. So the battery life on those lasts about a year. We'll pop the tag off and then it actually starts transmitting its data up to the satellite. And it just starts like dumping the data up to the satellite as fast as it can before it dies. What's great is that if we get the tag back, we get the entire record. So when the tag is uploading all the data to the satellite, it's not able to get like everything at the sampling rate that it's taking. So. It might be recording a data point every 10 seconds, but that's too much data to send up to the satellite. So it'll send like a shorter summary. Like maybe you have something like every minute or every couple of minutes, a position, a depth, a temperature. Um, so it just depends on the resolution of the data. I can keep going. Yeah. There's a lot to it. It's. Katie (35:33.669) That's amazing. So yeah, no, wait, I'm like, I'm kind of blown away about the fact that it records a data set every 10 seconds for a year. Like... Chloe (35:42.658) Mm-hmm. Katie (35:43.885) That's a lot of data, but then this concept of, you know, wherever the bluefin tuna is 360, 65 days later is where the tag's gonna pop up. So then you have this little tag that's gotta be like what, six inches long, maybe eight, that's floating around in the ocean and it's like, good luck scientists, come and find me before I die. Chloe (35:46.27) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Chloe (36:00.991) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Exactly. And usually, right, usually they don't pop off anywhere convenient. Like, they're not going to pop off like right in your backyard. I mean, one did once, which is great. But, um... Katie (36:13.515) I'm sorry. Katie (36:18.563) That's awesome. Chloe (36:21.986) Blue Marlin that I tagged last year just popped up right off the coast of Belize, which was super exciting. So Robbie, who you know, flew down to Belize to try to go get it, and he went on this tag recovery mission. And as soon as he got out on the water, the tag died, and he could not find it. And it's just this tiny tag floating in the middle of the ocean. And I mean, with ocean currents and weather patterns, yeah. So he never found that one, unfortunately. Katie (36:28.645) That's awesome. Mm-hmm. Katie (36:46.969) You do what you can. Chloe (36:51.882) Maybe it'll wash up on a beach. That'd be great. Katie (36:51.911) Have you gone on...yeah right. Have you gone on tag recovery missions? Chloe (36:58.562) Yes, they are difficult. So you're looking for this little black tag that's barely floating in the ocean. So it's hard because you have so much. It's a mini computer that you've then, you know, made waterproof, made pressure-proof, and made like able to fit on a fish. And then you also need it to float. So it barely floats. Like it's just barely sticking out of the ocean, sometimes bobbing up and down. and it has this little antenna that's kind of swaying back and forth, but it's black. And anyone who's been out in the ocean, like if you drop something black, it floats. Like it's not bright, but that's because we don't want other fish to be picking at it. So if it was a bright color, it's just kind of this fish swimming around and it might get bitten off by another animal. So that's why we make them dark. But we use this device, it's called a goniometer. And yeah, I know. Katie (37:39.002) Right. Chloe (37:55.138) Don't ask me how it works. It's like an omnidirectional stick that you put the code in of the tag and it tells you like it's like a game of hot and cold. Like you're getting warmer, you're getting further away. And once like I, the first tag recovery mission that I did by myself, I went with my friend Katie (37:55.341) I'm in. I'm into it. Chloe (38:23.178) And he was like, oh, we use that in the Marines to like locate stuff. It's like, great. Like, so maybe you can help me. Um, so we go off, yeah, looking for this tag, playing this game of hot and cold. You know, sun's going down, weather. Like we had like a very quick weather window and we literally, I have a picture of the tag in the ocean with the sun, like halfway set in the background. And it's like, we barely, barely got it. Yeah. Katie (38:30.521) Super. Katie (38:49.822) Oh my gosh. You got it. That's awesome. Is that the only one you've been on? Chloe (38:57.016) So I have helped get some in Nova Scotia also. Those are actually a lot easier because the fish usually returns to the Gulf of St. Lawrence every year. So we know that it's gonna pop off there. And then it's a big bay. You know, like there isn't the Gulf Stream to whisk a tag off. Like if you don't get a tag in North Carolina within a couple of days of it popping off, it's in the Gulf Stream and it's like on its way to Spain. Katie (39:15.741) Right? Katie (39:22.307) It's gone. Chloe (39:23.658) Yeah. And it's dying, yeah. Yeah. You still get a great amount. So you can tell basically the entire track of where the fish went. And then you get a pretty good summary of, you can get like a good average of the depths and temperatures that the fish likes to be in. So for marlin, we know that they really like to be, they're more surface oriented, they like to be warmer. Katie (39:26.199) And it's dying. But you still get, you still get, okay, so how much, if you don't recover the tag, how much data do you get back? Okay. Chloe (39:54.178) The bluefin tuna can go a lot colder. The bluefin can go, it's, it has like, it can withstand probably the coldest temperatures of just about any highly migratory species. They're amazing fish. And then we have them going down to the lowest temperature is zero Celsius, which is like freezing basically. So yeah, they're cold. They're warm fish, which is, so they are... one of the only endothermic fishes. And of, you know, yes. So, I mean, we call it regionally endothermic, but they are warming their core up. So it's this really cool process where, you've probably seen when you like cut open a filet of fish that there's red muscle and white muscle. And in like, I'm trying to think of another good example, in just like a normal fish. Katie (40:26.661) fully endo. Chloe (40:51.83) The red muscle is on the outside, but in the bluefin tuna, they've basically like evolutionary evolved to internalize their red muscle. So that, so when they're swimming, they're heating themselves up. And then because it's internal, they're able to like insulate their body, retain that heat. And then through a series of their like countercurrent heat exchangers, which is like this very fine capillary network within their body. They're able to retain the heat. inside. So it's this very, yeah. Katie (41:22.661) So is that why tuna meets red? Chloe (41:26.87) Um, the meat is really red because it's really concentrated with, um, myoglobin or, yeah. No, I was like, wait, is that correct? So, um, they, they have a lot of, you know, because they're, it's a highly efficient fish, they have a ton of mitochondria and their muscles just like packed full of those and all the oxygen transport. Yeah. It's physiologically they're like. Katie (41:33.425) Okay. Yeah. Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt you. You were on a roll and I was just, I was kind of blown away. Sounded really good to me. Chloe (41:56.29) They're a very, very fascinating animal. And that's why my advisor, Barb Block, has really fallen in love with them. Like her, by training, she's a physiologist. So these animals are like one of like the world's physiological wonders, basically, that they've been able to evolve this system that's more mammalian-like. Like we are endothermic. We, you know, can adjust to different temperatures, but fish and reptiles are not. They just kind of, for the most part, they just go along with whatever temperature it is. And... That's why you get iguanas falling out of trees in Florida when it gets too cold, because they just can't withstand that. Katie (42:34.541) Um, what about like yellowfin and blackfin and big eyes? Are they all endothermic as well? Chloe (42:35.146) Mm-hmm. Chloe (42:41.366) They are, but the bluefin has basically the greatest capacity for endothermy. So they also have similar systems. They're just not basically as strong and developed and evolved as the bluefin. Katie (42:53.557) And you were saying earlier, back when you were talking about the populations, you got your Eastern and your Western population and how they're all congregating, seemingly, off the coast of the Midwest of the U.S. And, sorry, Mideast. Mideast of the U.S. Northwest, thank you. Eastern land. Chloe (42:56.722) Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. Chloe (43:08.658) Mid- yeah. Northwest Atlantic Ocean. Eastern- yeah, it's- I always get it mixed up. Depends on whether you're talking about the continent or the ocean. Yeah. Northwest Atlantic Ocean is what we usually say. Yeah. Katie (43:20.247) Right. Thank you. So. Thank you. Okay, so how they're all congregating in the Northwest Atlantic Ocean. And what just kind of blows my mind here, and that I really want to emphasize is the fact that these fish are crossing the ocean. And that's not a that's not common. Like even for blue marlin, like it's not common for them, as far as we know, to be crossing the ocean basin. So what does that mean? And how do they? Chloe (43:39.171) Yeah. Right. No. Mm-hmm. Chloe (43:48.351) Right. Katie (43:51.117) Like, do they feed in the middle of the Atlantic? Are there feeding points there? Like, what do we know based on your tagging research that these fish are doing to cross the ocean, and why is that so exceptional? Chloe (43:53.495) Mm-hmm. Chloe (43:58.699) Yeah. Chloe (44:03.522) So yeah, first of all, it's just a very far distance. So yeah, being able to make that migration and of itself is just incredible. We definitely know that there are foraging hotspots just about everywhere. We recently, I don't want to say discovered this spot. I mean, it's this oceanographic condition that we spot that we always, people always knew was there, but we didn't really understand why the fish were there. There's a spot like kind of in the middle. of the Atlantic Ocean. And there's this eddy called the man eddy that one of my colleagues just published a paper on explaining how the fish are basically drawn to this eddy and that they're feeding on congregations of baitfish. We don't know what the fish are that are there. I'm sure someone knows, but there's like this big feeding aggregation for bluefin tuna that they all love to go to. And it's just this spectacular thing. before I just kind of looked at the track and they're like, oh, it's just passing through, this must just be somewhere. But we actually see fish year after year returning to that location. So they know that there's some really high quality forage there and then, you know, so there are spots where they can feed as they cross the ocean. But sometimes you'll see tracks where it's just going very quickly and not spending a lot of time diving or, you know, just spending a couple of days passing through a very long distance. So we can get a really good idea whether or not a fish is actually utilizing, like performing feeding behavior and diving or just swimming. Katie (45:40.165) So what are the, like, that's really interesting to me because when you're looking at this data that you're getting from your satellite tag at the end of the year, how do you know what identifiers are there that's showing you that fish fed in that location and what identifiers are showing you that it was just passing through? Chloe (45:49.292) Mm-hmm. Chloe (45:56.45) Mm-hmm. So one really cool thing, well, okay, yeah, with the satellite tag, it's usually diving behavior. So we really think that the fish is only diving if it's going to feed or if it's trying to avoid predator, or sometimes they're diving to avoid surface currents. But that we really would have a very hard time understanding. But for the most part, they're only diving to feed or to avoid a predator. So yeah, that would be the way. A cool thing about the archival tags. is with the internal temperature, you can actually get, you can actually know exactly when they're feeding because when we eat, our body actually warms up. It's called this heat increment of feeding. So when you're ingesting, taking in these calories, that's energy and your body as it's processing that is heating up. So we can actually, there have been some papers showing this with mostly smaller bluefin tuna. You can tell when they like take a bite. their internal body actually cools down at first because they're getting cold water from the outside or maybe a cold sardine or something. And then it starts heating up as the fish is digesting that meal. And there's this curve of digestion and then it goes back down to baseline. So yeah, you can get this whole study of metabolism in the way that a lot of like human physiologists can also do in a wild bluefin tuna, which is just spectacular. Katie (47:25.157) Spectacular. That is fascinating. And with these with these archival tags, not only do you have to catch the fish again to get it back, but you have to like harvest the fish to get it back. What how many do you all set? How many archival tags do you all set out launching a year? And how many have you gotten back in your career? Chloe (47:26.782) Yeah. Right. Chloe (47:45.602) Yeah, so, oh man, it's, well, I think it's actually worth standing beyond my career. So since I've been putting out archival tags, I haven't gotten a single one back. Um, it takes a long time. So, yeah, not yet. Um, so I'm actually working on tagging data from an archival tag that was placed in a fish in North Carolina in 2012. And it is like the most remarkable. Um. Katie (47:58.411) Yet. Chloe (48:15.358) study of animal migration. And we've tracked the fish for six years and the battery life on the tag lasted for six years and it was caught in, um, like a pen in the Mediterranean sea and then harvested. So we were actually able to get the tag back. But, um. Katie (48:20.529) That's amazing. Katie (48:29.413) That's the Almadrabah, right? The Almadrabah fishery in the Med? Do you know about that? Chloe (48:34.274) Yeah, I'm not... a little bit. There's... yeah, I've never seen all of it. Katie (48:37.153) It's just like a big cultural thing in Italy and Spain. It's old, it's ancient practice of harvesting these fish in pens, but it's pretty spectacular. Yes, but sorry, continue. So that fish was harvested in the Med. Chloe (48:44.055) Mm-hmm. And then Matanza, yeah. Chloe (48:51.594) Yeah. Yes. And so over time, it's really a product of like how many fish, how many we get back or how many tags we put out and then how many fish are caught. So if quotas are really low, we actually won't get that many tags back. If quotas are really high and we put out a lot of tags, then over time, so like starting in the late nineties, and if you give it a lag of about 20 years, we'll get close to about like between like 30 to 50 percent of those tags back, which is a huge return rate. Yeah. Like in fisheries literature, like I think a tag return rate of over three percent is considered to be like great. Yeah. So a lot of these fish are getting, yeah, and a lot of them end up getting caught in the Mediterranean Sea, and but this also requires Katie (49:30.501) That's... Yeah, that's a lot. Katie (49:41.881) success. Yeah, that, I mean, that's wild. Chloe (49:51.734) partnerships with the harvesters there so that they know like if there's this weird thing in the belly of the fish like they need to be aware that is something that they need to look out for and that they need to return to us. So it requires again this international collaboration and cooperation and people being supportive of the research also because you know people are like all these darn scientists you know I'm just going to crush this tag and throw it overboard then all the effort is done for nothing you know. Katie (50:14.698) Ha ha. Chloe (50:20.442) have to maintain those good relationships. Katie (50:22.965) And you touched on that earlier about how most people are really excited to have you guys on board and are just genuinely curious about the science and the studies. Have you worked with a lot of commercial fishermen and a lot of recreational fishermen? I want to hear a little bit about your stories with that. Chloe (50:29.441) Yeah. Chloe (50:32.66) Mm-hmm. Chloe (50:40.254) Yeah, so I mean, my best friend from back home, Natalia, who we both know, she, yeah, she is this badass commercial fisherman, fisherwoman. Um, and I learned so much from her about bluefin tuna and just fishing in general. So having that relationship. Yeah. I mean, I, that was, I learned more about bluefin than I feel like most scientists get to, because I was on the water fishing for them. Katie (50:45.361) She's incredible. Katie (50:56.185) God, that's so cool. Chloe (51:07.57) learning firsthand from the people that know the most about them. Because if you're out in the water catching these fish every day, like, maybe you're not a trained scientist, but your observations are all scientific. Like, you know, the great currents, the right tides, the right temperatures, you know, the seasonal migrations of them, when they go, where are they going to be and when. So, you know, exactly right. What they're eating, how to present the bait properly. Like fishing is so scientific in nature. So. Katie (51:27.341) what they're eating, what to look for, and all the conditions. Chloe (51:36.938) I mean, that's why I feel like I was so drawn to it. Cause I was like, wow, this is like, this is scientific. This is really cool. So for the most part, like fishermen know best where the fish are, what's going on in the fishery. Like if they're the ones that you need to go to, I mean, they know best. So I've been really lucky to have these good relationships and you know, the fishing world is so small. So. you know, you make one good connection and then, you know, you can go just about anywhere in the world and there's someone who knows someone who knows someone who can connect to you and that goes a long way. Um, and it's right. Exactly. So, you know, every once in a while, of course you're going to meet someone who's grumpy and not excited about the tagging and the science. And that's probably cause they've been around for a really long time and they've seen how the fishery changes and Katie (52:16.257) and is so happy too. Chloe (52:34.198) You see a lot of things where it's like, oh, it's not like it used to be. Like the fishing was so good back then. But in the case of bluefin, I feel like a lot of people are seeing now how, you know, there were, there's been like the most strictly managed fish in the world. But your people are seeing in their lifetimes, the fish, the fishery rebounding and they're seeing, oh, wow, we're actually seeing more fish in our waters than we were like 10 years ago. Or maybe this year is bad, but. last year was really, really good. Or maybe that we see a lot of small fish that we know are going to be around and be bigger in the next couple of years. So it's cool. I feel like people have really been able to see like, you know, that fisheries being closed down and management being really strict isn't like, I mean, it's not, it's very contentious. It always is between commercial and recreational fisheries and being a fisheries manager would be a really, really hard Chloe (53:32.682) the effects of it and when it does go correctly, when the science, when it's incorporating all of the science, when it's incorporating, you know, the data that the fishermen are collecting, that's all like the catch, you know, that people are reporting that commercial fishermen are required to log their effort. Those things all go into the stock assessment models, make it more precise and that data helps to, you know, provide better management. And that's. what our science is trying to do. We're trying to provide the best possible data to managers so that they can adequately manage the fishery. Because I mean, we want there to be more of them. We want, you know, fisheries management is by nature economic also. So it's, you know, NOAA fisheries is housed in the department of commerce. So this is an economic resource, not just a really fascinating ecological and animal resource, like it's a wild population that's economically important. Katie (54:29.837) It's significantly both for the commercial sector, but also for all the communities that depend on them and for the tourism sector of those communities. So I really like that you just touched on a ton of different stakeholders in this conversation about the... Chloe (54:29.842) So if we wait, yeah. Yes. Chloe (54:37.433) Exactly. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chloe (54:44.854) Yeah. Katie (54:49.305) fishery and the commercial fishermen and the recreational fishermen and the science scientists and how this population has rebounded. And let's hear a little bit about the rebound of this population. Before I get into my closing statements, I just I want to ask you a million things, Chloe. So I think we're going to have to do another podcast episode. I know I don't know where the time goes. I know we're going to have to do it again. But but I want to hear just a brief bit about the rebound. Chloe (55:04.352) Mm-hmm. Chloe (55:08.43) Oh my gosh, it's already 1058! What? Oh my gosh. Well, yeah. Katie (55:19.882) and then we'll get into some closing statements. Chloe (55:23.278) Wow, that went so fast. So, oh gosh, I'm gonna get all the dates and decades wrong, but basically the bluefin fishery started crashing in the 70s and 90s, and then there was like, it was, there was a petition to list it as endangered on the CITES endangered species list, that didn't happen. But the population was... You know, we saw just like year after year from the stock assessments or not. We, I wasn't around the stock assessments were showing the population was decreasing each year and the amount of fish that were making it back to breed and spawn were decreasing those fish weren't producing anymore. So, um, they're really strict, um, management regulations for a long time. And I don't know specifically what those were, but the bluefin tuna, they don't reproduce until they're about 10 years old. So. Katie (56:18.829) so old. That's so old for fish. Chloe (56:20.234) The hard thing is, like, you have people who are very frustrated, who are like, I've been patient, like, I've been, you know, listening to these rules for so long and I'm not seeing any difference. I'm not like, of course you're not because the fish doesn't reproduce for until it's 10 and then that fish doesn't really recruit up into the fishery until it's about five or six years old. So. It takes a really long time to see the effects of management and also for management to know if what they're doing is actually effective. So it's a really tough balancing act. Yeah. Katie (56:53.965) It's a tough balancing act for everyone. I feel like for the communities that are depending on the fish, but also for the scientists to be standing by their decisions and the rule makers for to be standing by their decisions because like you said, ten years, that's so... In the world of fish, that is so old. And how old do these fish get? Generally. Chloe (57:00.26) Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chloe (57:10.507) I know. We estimate that they can get as old as 40. So I know. But probably most of them are caught or eaten by something else before they get to that age. So it's a fish eat fish world. Katie (57:16.933) WAAA Katie (57:26.029) Right. Fishy fish world. All right, Chloe, that was an incredible conversation. I could go on forever with you. It's amazing. I didn't even get into the Gulf of Mexico. So we'll have to do another one on that one. But I do have a couple questions for you closing up. For any listeners out there, like younger listeners that are interested in what you just spoke about, or, you know, understanding, even if it's from fish to... Chloe (57:34.038) Yeah, same. Yeah. Chloe (57:43.394) Sounds good. Katie (57:53.797) birds. I know that you're a big bird girl too. Studied ornithology, right? Chloe (57:55.731) Yeah. Chloe (57:59.858) Yeah, I did some work with the Cornell Lab of Ornithology as an undergrad and studied lots of different birds there. So it was cool. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Thank you. Katie (58:05.229) that you're seriously one of the coolest people I've ever met. So, do you have any words of advice for young listeners that are that are fascinated by this conversation and want to get into a field of science or you know what are some words of advice? Chloe (58:19.767) Mm-hmm. Chloe (58:25.93) Yeah, I think that the most important thing is to really like follow your passions and stay true to yourself. Like don't pretend to be someone else just to try to, you know, fit into a certain mold. Like really play to your strengths. Like I mean, everyone has strengths and weaknesses and we can always try to like, you know, bolster up our weaknesses, but just play to your strengths and just don't close the door to any opportunities. You know, like if you get a really incredible opportunity to partake in something. So like, even if you don't know if you're going to love it, just try it. Because the worst thing that happens is like, Oh, maybe you don't have a great time or you realize like, Oh, maybe like working on fishing boats and collecting this data, like maybe that's not for me. Um, so yeah, exactly. Um, and it's really just about like building your network, like professionally and personally. I mean, it's just, you want to be doing what Katie (59:09.785) But I did meet this one cool person. Chloe (59:24.082) you love doing. That's the most important thing, like getting through the like, especially doing a PhD. It's a long time. And it's difficult work. So you have to really, really love it. Yeah, I think that sums it up. Katie (59:37.197) I love that. That reminds me of, I think it's Mark Twain quote where he says, there's the two most important days in your life are when the day you're born and then the day you find out wh