Podcasts about Mad Libs

Join Phil and Steve on Streaming Things for their final Andor Season 2 breakdown, covering Episodes 10, 11, and 12: "Make It Stop," "Who Else Knows?" and "Jedha, Kyber, Erso." The season races toward its explosive conclusion as Cassian's fight against the Empire reaches new heights, alliances are tested, and familiar names from Rogue One begin to emerge. This has been such a joy covering, and we are very grateful to have all of you with us to enjoy this season of Andor with us. Remember, next week we will be doing a Mailbag AND Droid Draft to say goodbye to the series forever!00:00:00 - Introduction:Welcome to a new episode of Streaming Things, where we dive deep into the world of streaming content!00:03:29 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Word Search:Steve solicits Phil and a special guest for words to create a MadLibs story.00:07:10 - Overall Thoughts:Our hosts share their initial impressions and overarching thoughts on today's movie/TV episode.00:16:56 - Episode 10 "Make It Stop" Recap:00:47:21 - Episode 11 "Who Else Knows?" Recap:01:15:14 - Episode 12 "Jedha, Kyber, Erso" Recap:01:46:57 - Favorite Moments Moments:The hosts list their top 3 moments of the episode.01:54:02 - Favorite Performance:The hosts recognize the talent they think delivered the best performance of the episode.01:55:56 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Story Reveal:Steve reads the MadLibs story that Phil and a special guest helped create.Video Version of this Episode: YouTubeFollow Us on Social MediaStreaming Things PatreonStreaming Things InstagramFollow SteveInstagramFollow PhilInstagramVisit Our WebsiteCheck Out Our MerchSend Us Mail:Streaming Things6809 Main St. #172Cincinnati, OH 45244 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jim and Jon each select who they want to see the Lions play in several notable games this season

9:00 HOUR: We take another shot at our Lions Dream Schedule Mad-Libs, Tigers potpuorri

5/12/25 - Valid concerns with the Tigers, Lions Dream Schedule Mad-Libs, How to solve the Skubal dilemma, The most annoying things at amusement parks

Join Phil and Steve as they dive into Episodes 7–9 of Andor Season 2: "Messenger," "Who Are You?" and "Welcome to the Rebellion." As Cassian navigates shifting allegiances and the Rebellion begins to take shape, the stakes reach new heights across the galaxy. Secrets unravel, identities are questioned, and the movement gains momentum. Plus, everyone's favorite droid guest GONK returns for another round of Star Wars MadLibs! Don't miss this exciting episode full of sharp insights, laughs, and rebellion-fueled hype.00:00:00 - Introduction:Welcome to a new episode of Streaming Things, where we dive deep into the world of streaming content!00:07:01 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Word Search:Steve solicits Phil and a special guest for words to create a MadLibs story.00:10:26 - Overall Thoughts:Our hosts share their initial impressions and overarching thoughts on today's movie/TV episode.00:17:20 - Episode 7 "Messenger" Recap:00:43:37 - Episode 8 "Who Are You?" Recap:01:09:26 - Episode 9 "Welcome to the Rebellion" Recap:01:42:35 - Favorite Moments Moments:The hosts list their top 3 moments of the episode.01:52:41 - Favorite Performance:The hosts recognize the talent they think delivered the best performance of the episode.01:56:31 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Story Reveal:Steve reads the MadLibs story that Phil and a special guest helped create.Video Version of this Episode: YouTubeFollow Us on Social MediaStreaming Things PatreonStreaming Things InstagramFollow SteveInstagramFollow PhilInstagramVisit Our WebsiteCheck Out Our MerchSend Us Mail:Streaming Things6809 Main St. #172Cincinnati, OH 45244 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The HOBI Gang is in the studio this week and recapping the week in pop culture! Zach from the Super Cincy Expo stops by to talk the upcoming video game convention, top-selling comic books, review recent films and recast the Seinfeld cast! Plus the gang talks odd competition contests, Sinners continues to impress, review Thunderbolts, list their Top Five Favorite Music Album Covers and complete a Mad Libs for the ages!

Join Phil and Steve on Streaming Things as they continue their deep dive into Andor Season 2, covering Episodes 4–6: "Ever Been to Ghorman?" "I Have Friends Everywhere," and "What a Festive Evening." As the Rebellion tightens its grip and Cassian finds himself entangled in the galaxy's growing unrest, political intrigue and personal stakes collide across every corner of the Empire. Plus, fan-favorite guest GONK joins the crew for a very special Star Wars MadLibs! 00:00:00 - Introduction:Welcome to a new episode of Streaming Things, where we dive deep into the world of streaming content!00:04:04 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Word Search:Steve solicits Phil and a special guest for words to create a MadLibs story.00:07:02 - Overall Thoughts:Our hosts share their initial impressions and overarching thoughts on today's movie/TV episode.00:14:13 - Episode 4 "Ever Been to Ghorman?" Recap:00:47:37 - Episode 5 "I Have Friends Everywhere" Recap:01:18:06 - Episode 6 "What a Festive Evening" Recap:01:49:49 - Favorite Moments Moments:The hosts list their top 3 moments of the episode.01:54:29 - Favorite Performance:The hosts recognize the talent they think delivered the best performance of the episode.01:56:25 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Story Reveal:Steve reads the MadLibs story that Phil and a special guest helped create.Video Version of this Episode: YouTubeFollow Us on Social MediaStreaming Things PatreonStreaming Things InstagramFollow SteveInstagramFollow PhilInstagramVisit Our WebsiteCheck Out Our MerchSend Us Mail:Streaming Things6809 Main St. #172Cincinnati, OH 45244 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Despite Discord's best efforts to keep the boys from doing a show, Chris, Rob, Jim and John manage to debate the worst band names ever and discuss what they believe to be the most underrated metal albums. They also try to figure out who will play each of them in the upcoming LOTD biopic that someone will inevitably make, recount their earliest gaming memories and complete some AI assisted Mad Libs. Finally, they introduce a new segment known as "Fort Songs", that has a little trouble getting off the ground, but you're going to love it anyway.   Enjoy!

This morning was music HEAVY! The guys tried out a new game called Mad Libs Music where you decide what the song is about and it went over swimmingly! We also played a round of 2 Second Tune, Maybe It's Just Me about the Pope and Bryan put his foot down with the latest update for his truck!

Join hosts Phil and Steve on Streaming Things as they dive into the thrilling Season 2 premiere of Andor! In this episode, they cover the first three chapters of the new season: "One Year Later," "Sagrona Teema," and "Harvest." The Rebellion is growing, tensions are high, and Cassian's journey takes unexpected turns as the galaxy edges closer to all-out war. Plus, don't miss a special guest appearance during this week's Star Wars MadLibs segment! Whether you're a die-hard fan or a newcomer to the fight, this premiere breakdown is packed with insights, laughs, and rebellion.00:00:00 - Introduction:Welcome to a new episode of Streaming Things, where we dive deep into the world of streaming content!00:03:52 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Word Search:Steve solicits Phil and a special guest for words to create a MadLibs story.00:08:16 - Overall Thoughts:Our hosts share their initial impressions and overarching thoughts on today's movie/TV episode.00:17:06 - Episode 1 "One Year Later" Recap:00:55:44 - Episode 2 "Sagrona Teema" Recap:01:10:30 - Episode 3 "Harvest" Recap:01:37:29 - Favorite Moments Moments:The hosts list their top 3 moments of the episode.01:44:10 - Favorite Performance:The hosts recognize the talent they think delivered the best performance of the episode.01:47:48 - Star Wars DROIDS MadLibs Story Reveal:Steve reads the MadLibs story that Phil and a special guest helped create.Video Version of this Episode: YouTubeFollow Us on Social MediaStreaming Things PatreonStreaming Things InstagramFollow SteveInstagramFollow PhilInstagramVisit Our WebsiteCheck Out Our MerchSend Us Mail:Streaming Things6809 Main St. #172Cincinnati, OH 45244 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

After exiting a successful startup, Rafael Loureiro went looking for a better way to do estate planning…and came up empty. The experience? Clunky. Expensive. Outdated.So like any smart entrepreneur would do, he decided to build something better.Today, Rafael is the CEO of Wealth.com, a FinTech firm backed by Google Ventures and designed to modernize the estate planning process for advisors and their clients.In this Episode, Rafael sits down with Stacy to discuss: Rafael's backstory – How he went from Brazil to Silicon Valley to Wall Street Why his post-exit estate plan felt more like Mad Libs than modern finance How that clunky estate planning experience drove him to go from introverted software engineer to front-and-center CEOWhy it's actually easier to raise capital before the product exists (yes, really)About Rafael Loureiro:Rafael Loureiro is the CEO and co-founder of Wealth.com, the industry's leading estate planning platform. Under his leadership,Wealth.com has become the fastest-growing solution in the space, empowering 750+ wealth management firms to modernize the delivery of estate planning guidance. Backed by Google Ventures, Wealth.com is the only tech-led, end-to-end estate planning platform built specifically for financial institutions—helping advisors scale, drive efficiency, and serve clients across the wealth spectrum.Rafael was named ThinkAdvisor's 2024 Executive of the Year in the financial planning technology category and also received the Advisor Choice Award for Technology Providers: CEO of the Year in the 2024 WealthManagement.com Industry Awards, where Wealth.com was recognized as the Best Technology Provider in the Trust category. A technology entrepreneur and product innovator, Rafael brings more than 20 years of technical and executive leadership experience across start-ups, growth-stage ventures, and Fortune 500 companies. Prior to founding Wealth.com, he served as Chief Technology Officer at Emailage, a global fraud prevention SaaS startup acquired by Lexis Nexis Risk Solutions in 2020.Rafael is a member of the Forbes Finance Council and an active community leader in the Phoenix start-up ecosystem. Originally from Brazil, Rafael has been in Arizona for over 20 years. Outside of work, he enjoys time with his family, hiking the Arizona desert, playing pickleball, reading, and gaming. Want More Help With Storytelling?  +  Subscribe to my newsletter to get a weekly email that helps you use your words to power your growth:https://www.stacyhavener.com/subscribe   - - -Make The Boutique Investment Collective part of your Billion Dollar Backstory. Gain access to invaluable resources, expert coaches, and a supportive community of other boutique founders, fund managers, and investment pros. Join Havener Capital's exclusive membership - - -Make The Boutique Investment Collective part of your Billion Dollar Backstory. Gain access to invaluable resources, expert coaches, and a supportive community of other boutique founders, fund managers, and investment pros. Join Havener Capital's exclusive membership

Given it seems the Titans are going to select Cam Ward 1st overall in the draft, Joe has some up with some 'Mad Libs' involving Ward.  What do we think the Titans will do with the 35th overall pick?  Paul Kuharsky from Paul Kuharsky dot com hops in the studio.  We head to your phones and talk about the future of Will Levis and could he be a backup?  We finish the hour with the Rex Rant.

Tennessee brings in Joey Aguilar from UCLA, virtually creating a quarterback swap, but compensation is still messy. The guys play a game of MadLibs with texts to Shannon Sharpe. Plus, the asking price for Kirk Cousins is high but somebody may pony up.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hosts: TJ, Brett, Krissy, & Jo This week on the show: Segment One (0:00:00) (0:04:04): Brett continues the collecting frenzy as he receives a make right present 40 years in the making and gets a surprise 50th birthday party! Brett is also asked to explain the difference between the Atari 2600 and the 7800. (0:26:55) TJ decides upon a new money making scheme for the Quad M Con Table. (0:33:47) The preceding are interrupted as the gang gets word about The Voice Of Quad M, Hugh Jass, and his foray into speed dating! Segment Two (0:39:01): (0:41:24) One of the most disturbing FGS winner to come down the pike in a while. OnlyFans model goes on a “pee spree” and Brett gets emotionally scarred for life. (0:58:26) HOT TAKES kicks off with a GRIM REAPER ROUND UP remembering the tallest man in the U.S. and a game show hosting legend. (1:05:03) TJ and Brett take a look at the upcoming NFL Draft for their beloved Raiders and Bears. (1:21:42) The gang takes a look at the current status of the MCU with a new FF trailer dropping (and everyone's losing their mind over the female Silver Surfer), the upcoming Thunderbolts, the horrid five hour Doomsday cast announcement, and more! (1:32:57) We get more audio from Hugh's night out at the Roulette Of Love. Segment Three (1:36:58r): (1:39:31) KRISSY'S KRAZY KORNER brings new Mad Libs featuring Family and Superheroes! (2:04:50) One more round of Hugh and The Roulette Of Love. (2:06:44) PICKS O' THE WEEK You don't have to be lonely! It's THE QUAD M SHOW!

Old Boy Charcuterie board, Egg in a Tea Kettle, Lusty MadLibs, Black Licorice Sling shot, Toilet Golf, Airplane Radio Show.

Another wild and completely randomised D&D adventure from our live show at Athventure Con, where we let the crowd decide not only our characters, but our story too! Check out everything we do here:https://linktr.ee/hearthfiretaleswww.hearthfiretales.comA big thank you to Ben Clifford for stepping in and helping us out! Ben is a player on D8 Dungeon and the DM for Homebrew Quest! Check out his work there and stay tuned for season 2 of it, "coming soon?" (his words!) over on their Youtube ChannelOf course, a huge thank you to Athventure Con too for inviting us down and letting us do our crazy thing! If you're in Ireland and want an amazing TTRPG convention to go to, we cannot recommend Athventure Con enough! Check out their website www.athventurecon.ie for more details on how to attend! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Credits: GM: Dylan McKnight - Hearthfire Tales - https://linktr.ee/DylananddragonsSir Flexology - Jim Tuohy - Hearthfire Tales - https://bsky.app/profile/quigon-jim.bsky.socialBark Kent - Ben Clifford - Homebrew Quest - https://www.instagram.com/benjourmesamis/Video and Audio provided by Riverside Television - https://www.riversidetelevision.com/Filmed at Loughrea Hotel - Athventure Con III - February 2025.

Jury Seated in Lori Vallow Daybell's Arizona Trial—She'll Represent Herself in Charles Vallow Murder Case The jury is in. Lori Vallow Daybell will face her second murder-related trial, this time in Arizona—and she's doing it her way. As in, she's representing herself. That's right. The woman already sentenced to life in prison for the murders of her children and fifth husband's former wife is now stepping into a courtroom again, only this time as her own attorney. If you thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, buckle up. Twelve jurors and four alternates were selected in just two days down in Maricopa County. The final panel includes thirteen men and three women, who were sworn in and instructed by the judge Tuesday afternoon. Their job? Decide whether Lori Vallow Daybell conspired to murder her fourth husband, Charles Vallow. Here's what's alleged: On July 11, 2019, Charles Vallow went to Lori's house in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son, JJ. That's when Alex Cox, Lori's brother, shot him. Cox claimed it was self-defense. No charges were ever filed against him, because in a twist of either karma or tragic coincidence—depending on how you see it—he died in December 2019. Natural causes. Just five months after Charles was killed. So now, it's Lori on trial. Prosecutors say she wasn't just a bystander. They claim she was in on it. Conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. If the jury agrees, she could be looking at another life sentence. Not that it changes much—she's already serving life in Idaho for the deaths of JJ, Tylee, and Tammy Daybell. Let's talk about the setup. The trial will run Monday through Thursday, 10:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Arizona time. A video camera will be in the courtroom, with a 30-minute delay for livestreaming. So yes, you can watch this unfold—just with a little lag. Lori will be navigating the courtroom solo, but not entirely alone. She has two advisory attorneys, a paralegal, and an investigator in her corner. Still, she'll be doing the heavy lifting: questioning witnesses, making objections, and deciding whether to testify. And if she does choose to take the stand, she won't be able to ask her own questions directly. The judge has ruled that she'll need to write them down ahead of time and have someone else read them aloud. It's like trial-by-Mad Libs. On the other side of the courtroom, you've got Maricopa County Deputy Attorney Treena Kay leading the prosecution. Opening statements kick off Monday. And from there, we'll see how Lori Vallow Daybell handles being both the accused and the defense. She's not fighting for freedom—she's already locked away for life. But in a case that's twisted through deaths, doomsday beliefs, and courtroom chaos, it seems she's still not done talking. #LoriVallow #TrueCrime #CharlesVallow #ArizonaTrial Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

The jury is in. Lori Vallow Daybell will face her second murder-related trial, this time in Arizona—and she's doing it her way. As in, she's representing herself. That's right. The woman already sentenced to life in prison for the murders of her children and fifth husband's former wife is now stepping into a courtroom again, only this time as her own attorney. If you thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, buckle up. Twelve jurors and four alternates were selected in just two days down in Maricopa County. The final panel includes thirteen men and three women, who were sworn in and instructed by the judge Tuesday afternoon. Their job? Decide whether Lori Vallow Daybell conspired to murder her fourth husband, Charles Vallow. Here's what's alleged: On July 11, 2019, Charles Vallow went to Lori's house in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son, JJ. That's when Alex Cox, Lori's brother, shot him. Cox claimed it was self-defense. No charges were ever filed against him, because in a twist of either karma or tragic coincidence—depending on how you see it—he died in December 2019. Natural causes. Just five months after Charles was killed. So now, it's Lori on trial. Prosecutors say she wasn't just a bystander. They claim she was in on it. Conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. If the jury agrees, she could be looking at another life sentence. Not that it changes much—she's already serving life in Idaho for the deaths of JJ, Tylee, and Tammy Daybell. Let's talk about the setup. The trial will run Monday through Thursday, 10:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Arizona time. A video camera will be in the courtroom, with a 30-minute delay for livestreaming. So yes, you can watch this unfold—just with a little lag. Lori will be navigating the courtroom solo, but not entirely alone. She has two advisory attorneys, a paralegal, and an investigator in her corner. Still, she'll be doing the heavy lifting: questioning witnesses, making objections, and deciding whether to testify. And if she does choose to take the stand, she won't be able to ask her own questions directly. The judge has ruled that she'll need to write them down ahead of time and have someone else read them aloud. It's like trial-by-Mad Libs. On the other side of the courtroom, you've got Maricopa County Deputy Attorney Treena Kay leading the prosecution. Opening statements kick off Monday. And from there, we'll see how Lori Vallow Daybell handles being both the accused and the defense. She's not fighting for freedom—she's already locked away for life. But in a case that's twisted through deaths, doomsday beliefs, and courtroom chaos, it seems she's still not done talking. #LoriVallow #TrueCrime #CharlesVallow #ArizonaTrial Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com 

Jury Seated in Lori Vallow Daybell's Arizona Trial—She'll Represent Herself in Charles Vallow Murder Case The jury is in. Lori Vallow Daybell will face her second murder-related trial, this time in Arizona—and she's doing it her way. As in, she's representing herself. That's right. The woman already sentenced to life in prison for the murders of her children and fifth husband's former wife is now stepping into a courtroom again, only this time as her own attorney. If you thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, buckle up. Twelve jurors and four alternates were selected in just two days down in Maricopa County. The final panel includes thirteen men and three women, who were sworn in and instructed by the judge Tuesday afternoon. Their job? Decide whether Lori Vallow Daybell conspired to murder her fourth husband, Charles Vallow. Here's what's alleged: On July 11, 2019, Charles Vallow went to Lori's house in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son, JJ. That's when Alex Cox, Lori's brother, shot him. Cox claimed it was self-defense. No charges were ever filed against him, because in a twist of either karma or tragic coincidence—depending on how you see it—he died in December 2019. Natural causes. Just five months after Charles was killed. So now, it's Lori on trial. Prosecutors say she wasn't just a bystander. They claim she was in on it. Conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. If the jury agrees, she could be looking at another life sentence. Not that it changes much—she's already serving life in Idaho for the deaths of JJ, Tylee, and Tammy Daybell. Let's talk about the setup. The trial will run Monday through Thursday, 10:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Arizona time. A video camera will be in the courtroom, with a 30-minute delay for livestreaming. So yes, you can watch this unfold—just with a little lag. Lori will be navigating the courtroom solo, but not entirely alone. She has two advisory attorneys, a paralegal, and an investigator in her corner. Still, she'll be doing the heavy lifting: questioning witnesses, making objections, and deciding whether to testify. And if she does choose to take the stand, she won't be able to ask her own questions directly. The judge has ruled that she'll need to write them down ahead of time and have someone else read them aloud. It's like trial-by-Mad Libs. On the other side of the courtroom, you've got Maricopa County Deputy Attorney Treena Kay leading the prosecution. Opening statements kick off Monday. And from there, we'll see how Lori Vallow Daybell handles being both the accused and the defense. She's not fighting for freedom—she's already locked away for life. But in a case that's twisted through deaths, doomsday beliefs, and courtroom chaos, it seems she's still not done talking. #LoriVallow #TrueCrime #CharlesVallow #ArizonaTrial Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com 

Jury Seated in Lori Vallow Daybell's Arizona Trial—She'll Represent Herself in Charles Vallow Murder Case The jury is in. Lori Vallow Daybell will face her second murder-related trial, this time in Arizona—and she's doing it her way. As in, she's representing herself. That's right. The woman already sentenced to life in prison for the murders of her children and fifth husband's former wife is now stepping into a courtroom again, only this time as her own attorney. If you thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, buckle up. Twelve jurors and four alternates were selected in just two days down in Maricopa County. The final panel includes thirteen men and three women, who were sworn in and instructed by the judge Tuesday afternoon. Their job? Decide whether Lori Vallow Daybell conspired to murder her fourth husband, Charles Vallow. Here's what's alleged: On July 11, 2019, Charles Vallow went to Lori's house in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son, JJ. That's when Alex Cox, Lori's brother, shot him. Cox claimed it was self-defense. No charges were ever filed against him, because in a twist of either karma or tragic coincidence—depending on how you see it—he died in December 2019. Natural causes. Just five months after Charles was killed. So now, it's Lori on trial. Prosecutors say she wasn't just a bystander. They claim she was in on it. Conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. If the jury agrees, she could be looking at another life sentence. Not that it changes much—she's already serving life in Idaho for the deaths of JJ, Tylee, and Tammy Daybell. Let's talk about the setup. The trial will run Monday through Thursday, 10:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Arizona time. A video camera will be in the courtroom, with a 30-minute delay for livestreaming. So yes, you can watch this unfold—just with a little lag. Lori will be navigating the courtroom solo, but not entirely alone. She has two advisory attorneys, a paralegal, and an investigator in her corner. Still, she'll be doing the heavy lifting: questioning witnesses, making objections, and deciding whether to testify. And if she does choose to take the stand, she won't be able to ask her own questions directly. The judge has ruled that she'll need to write them down ahead of time and have someone else read them aloud. It's like trial-by-Mad Libs. On the other side of the courtroom, you've got Maricopa County Deputy Attorney Treena Kay leading the prosecution. Opening statements kick off Monday. And from there, we'll see how Lori Vallow Daybell handles being both the accused and the defense. She's not fighting for freedom—she's already locked away for life. But in a case that's twisted through deaths, doomsday beliefs, and courtroom chaos, it seems she's still not done talking. #LoriVallow #TrueCrime #CharlesVallow #ArizonaTrial Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on The Downfall of Diddy, The Trial of Karen Read, The Murder Of Maddie Soto, Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, The Menendez Brothers: Quest For Justice, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

If you're in SF: Join us for the Claude Plays Pokemon hackathon this Sunday!If you're not: Fill out the 2025 State of AI Eng survey for $250 in Amazon cards!We are SO excited to share our conversation with Dharmesh Shah, co-founder of HubSpot and creator of Agent.ai.A particularly compelling concept we discussed is the idea of "hybrid teams" - the next evolution in workplace organization where human workers collaborate with AI agents as team members. Just as we previously saw hybrid teams emerge in terms of full-time vs. contract workers, or in-office vs. remote workers, Dharmesh predicts that the next frontier will be teams composed of both human and AI members. This raises interesting questions about team dynamics, trust, and how to effectively delegate tasks between human and AI team members.The discussion of business models in AI reveals an important distinction between Work as a Service (WaaS) and Results as a Service (RaaS), something Dharmesh has written extensively about. While RaaS has gained popularity, particularly in customer support applications where outcomes are easily measurable, Dharmesh argues that this model may be over-indexed. Not all AI applications have clearly definable outcomes or consistent economic value per transaction, making WaaS more appropriate in many cases. This insight is particularly relevant for businesses considering how to monetize AI capabilities.The technical challenges of implementing effective agent systems are also explored, particularly around memory and authentication. Shah emphasizes the importance of cross-agent memory sharing and the need for more granular control over data access. He envisions a future where users can selectively share parts of their data with different agents, similar to how OAuth works but with much finer control. This points to significant opportunities in developing infrastructure for secure and efficient agent-to-agent communication and data sharing.Other highlights from our conversation* The Evolution of AI-Powered Agents – Exploring how AI agents have evolved from simple chatbots to sophisticated multi-agent systems, and the role of MCPs in enabling that.* Hybrid Digital Teams and the Future of Work – How AI agents are becoming teammates rather than just tools, and what this means for business operations and knowledge work.* Memory in AI Agents – The importance of persistent memory in AI systems and how shared memory across agents could enhance collaboration and efficiency.* Business Models for AI Agents – Exploring the shift from software as a service (SaaS) to work as a service (WaaS) and results as a service (RaaS), and what this means for monetization.* The Role of Standards Like MCP – Why MCP has been widely adopted and how it enables agent collaboration, tool use, and discovery.* The Future of AI Code Generation and Software Engineering – How AI-assisted coding is changing the role of software engineers and what skills will matter most in the future.* Domain Investing and Efficient Markets – Dharmesh's approach to domain investing and how inefficiencies in digital asset markets create business opportunities.* The Philosophy of Saying No – Lessons from "Sorry, You Must Pass" and how prioritization leads to greater productivity and focus.Timestamps* 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome* 02:29 Dharmesh Shah's Journey into AI* 05:22 Defining AI Agents* 06:45 The Evolution and Future of AI Agents* 13:53 Graph Theory and Knowledge Representation* 20:02 Engineering Practices and Overengineering* 25:57 The Role of Junior Engineers in the AI Era* 28:20 Multi-Agent Systems and MCP Standards* 35:55 LinkedIn's Legal Battles and Data Scraping* 37:32 The Future of AI and Hybrid Teams* 39:19 Building Agent AI: A Professional Network for Agents* 40:43 Challenges and Innovations in Agent AI* 45:02 The Evolution of UI in AI Systems* 01:00:25 Business Models: Work as a Service vs. Results as a Service* 01:09:17 The Future Value of Engineers* 01:09:51 Exploring the Role of Agents* 01:10:28 The Importance of Memory in AI* 01:11:02 Challenges and Opportunities in AI Memory* 01:12:41 Selective Memory and Privacy Concerns* 01:13:27 The Evolution of AI Tools and Platforms* 01:18:23 Domain Names and AI Projects* 01:32:08 Balancing Work and Personal Life* 01:35:52 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsTranscriptAlessio [00:00:04]: Hey everyone, welcome back to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and I'm joined by my co-host Swyx, founder of Small AI.swyx [00:00:12]: Hello, and today we're super excited to have Dharmesh Shah to join us. I guess your relevant title here is founder of Agent AI.Dharmesh [00:00:20]: Yeah, that's true for this. Yeah, creator of Agent.ai and co-founder of HubSpot.swyx [00:00:25]: Co-founder of HubSpot, which I followed for many years, I think 18 years now, gonna be 19 soon. And you caught, you know, people can catch up on your HubSpot story elsewhere. I should also thank Sean Puri, who I've chatted with back and forth, who's been, I guess, getting me in touch with your people. But also, I think like, just giving us a lot of context, because obviously, My First Million joined you guys, and they've been chatting with you guys a lot. So for the business side, we can talk about that, but I kind of wanted to engage your CTO, agent, engineer side of things. So how did you get agent religion?Dharmesh [00:01:00]: Let's see. So I've been working, I'll take like a half step back, a decade or so ago, even though actually more than that. So even before HubSpot, the company I was contemplating that I had named for was called Ingenisoft. And the idea behind Ingenisoft was a natural language interface to business software. Now realize this is 20 years ago, so that was a hard thing to do. But the actual use case that I had in mind was, you know, we had data sitting in business systems like a CRM or something like that. And my kind of what I thought clever at the time. Oh, what if we used email as the kind of interface to get to business software? And the motivation for using email is that it automatically works when you're offline. So imagine I'm getting on a plane or I'm on a plane. There was no internet on planes back then. It's like, oh, I'm going through business cards from an event I went to. I can just type things into an email just to have them all in the backlog. When it reconnects, it sends those emails to a processor that basically kind of parses effectively the commands and updates the software, sends you the file, whatever it is. And there was a handful of commands. I was a little bit ahead of the times in terms of what was actually possible. And I reattempted this natural language thing with a product called ChatSpot that I did back 20...swyx [00:02:12]: Yeah, this is your first post-ChatGPT project.Dharmesh [00:02:14]: I saw it come out. Yeah. And so I've always been kind of fascinated by this natural language interface to software. Because, you know, as software developers, myself included, we've always said, oh, we build intuitive, easy-to-use applications. And it's not intuitive at all, right? Because what we're doing is... We're taking the mental model that's in our head of what we're trying to accomplish with said piece of software and translating that into a series of touches and swipes and clicks and things like that. And there's nothing natural or intuitive about it. And so natural language interfaces, for the first time, you know, whatever the thought is you have in your head and expressed in whatever language that you normally use to talk to yourself in your head, you can just sort of emit that and have software do something. And I thought that was kind of a breakthrough, which it has been. And it's gone. So that's where I first started getting into the journey. I started because now it actually works, right? So once we got ChatGPT and you can take, even with a few-shot example, convert something into structured, even back in the ChatGP 3.5 days, it did a decent job in a few-shot example, convert something to structured text if you knew what kinds of intents you were going to have. And so that happened. And that ultimately became a HubSpot project. But then agents intrigued me because I'm like, okay, well, that's the next step here. So chat's great. Love Chat UX. But if we want to do something even more meaningful, it felt like the next kind of advancement is not this kind of, I'm chatting with some software in a kind of a synchronous back and forth model, is that software is going to do things for me in kind of a multi-step way to try and accomplish some goals. So, yeah, that's when I first got started. It's like, okay, what would that look like? Yeah. And I've been obsessed ever since, by the way.Alessio [00:03:55]: Which goes back to your first experience with it, which is like you're offline. Yeah. And you want to do a task. You don't need to do it right now. You just want to queue it up for somebody to do it for you. Yes. As you think about agents, like, let's start at the easy question, which is like, how do you define an agent? Maybe. You mean the hardest question in the universe? Is that what you mean?Dharmesh [00:04:12]: You said you have an irritating take. I do have an irritating take. I think, well, some number of people have been irritated, including within my own team. So I have a very broad definition for agents, which is it's AI-powered software that accomplishes a goal. Period. That's it. And what irritates people about it is like, well, that's so broad as to be completely non-useful. And I understand that. I understand the criticism. But in my mind, if you kind of fast forward months, I guess, in AI years, the implementation of it, and we're already starting to see this, and we'll talk about this, different kinds of agents, right? So I think in addition to having a usable definition, and I like yours, by the way, and we should talk more about that, that you just came out with, the classification of agents actually is also useful, which is, is it autonomous or non-autonomous? Does it have a deterministic workflow? Does it have a non-deterministic workflow? Is it working synchronously? Is it working asynchronously? Then you have the different kind of interaction modes. Is it a chat agent, kind of like a customer support agent would be? You're having this kind of back and forth. Is it a workflow agent that just does a discrete number of steps? So there's all these different flavors of agents. So if I were to draw it in a Venn diagram, I would draw a big circle that says, this is agents, and then I have a bunch of circles, some overlapping, because they're not mutually exclusive. And so I think that's what's interesting, and we're seeing development along a bunch of different paths, right? So if you look at the first implementation of agent frameworks, you look at Baby AGI and AutoGBT, I think it was, not Autogen, that's the Microsoft one. They were way ahead of their time because they assumed this level of reasoning and execution and planning capability that just did not exist, right? So it was an interesting thought experiment, which is what it was. Even the guy that, I'm an investor in Yohei's fund that did Baby AGI. It wasn't ready, but it was a sign of what was to come. And so the question then is, when is it ready? And so lots of people talk about the state of the art when it comes to agents. I'm a pragmatist, so I think of the state of the practical. It's like, okay, well, what can I actually build that has commercial value or solves actually some discrete problem with some baseline of repeatability or verifiability?swyx [00:06:22]: There was a lot, and very, very interesting. I'm not irritated by it at all. Okay. As you know, I take a... There's a lot of anthropological view or linguistics view. And in linguistics, you don't want to be prescriptive. You want to be descriptive. Yeah. So you're a goals guy. That's the key word in your thing. And other people have other definitions that might involve like delegated trust or non-deterministic work, LLM in the loop, all that stuff. The other thing I was thinking about, just the comment on Baby AGI, LGBT. Yeah. In that piece that you just read, I was able to go through our backlog and just kind of track the winter of agents and then the summer now. Yeah. And it's... We can tell the whole story as an oral history, just following that thread. And it's really just like, I think, I tried to explain the why now, right? Like I had, there's better models, of course. There's better tool use with like, they're just more reliable. Yep. Better tools with MCP and all that stuff. And I'm sure you have opinions on that too. Business model shift, which you like a lot. I just heard you talk about RAS with MFM guys. Yep. Cost is dropping a lot. Yep. Inference is getting faster. There's more model diversity. Yep. Yep. I think it's a subtle point. It means that like, you have different models with different perspectives. You don't get stuck in the basin of performance of a single model. Sure. You can just get out of it by just switching models. Yep. Multi-agent research and RL fine tuning. So I just wanted to let you respond to like any of that.Dharmesh [00:07:44]: Yeah. A couple of things. Connecting the dots on the kind of the definition side of it. So we'll get the irritation out of the way completely. I have one more, even more irritating leap on the agent definition thing. So here's the way I think about it. By the way, the kind of word agent, I looked it up, like the English dictionary definition. The old school agent, yeah. Is when you have someone or something that does something on your behalf, like a travel agent or a real estate agent acts on your behalf. It's like proxy, which is a nice kind of general definition. So the other direction I'm sort of headed, and it's going to tie back to tool calling and MCP and things like that, is if you, and I'm not a biologist by any stretch of the imagination, but we have these single-celled organisms, right? Like the simplest possible form of what one would call life. But it's still life. It just happens to be single-celled. And then you can combine cells and then cells become specialized over time. And you have much more sophisticated organisms, you know, kind of further down the spectrum. In my mind, at the most fundamental level, you can almost think of having atomic agents. What is the simplest possible thing that's an agent that can still be called an agent? What is the equivalent of a kind of single-celled organism? And the reason I think that's useful is right now we're headed down the road, which I think is very exciting around tool use, right? That says, okay, the LLMs now can be provided a set of tools that it calls to accomplish whatever it needs to accomplish in the kind of furtherance of whatever goal it's trying to get done. And I'm not overly bothered by it, but if you think about it, if you just squint a little bit and say, well, what if everything was an agent? And what if tools were actually just atomic agents? Because then it's turtles all the way down, right? Then it's like, oh, well, all that's really happening with tool use is that we have a network of agents that know about each other through something like an MMCP and can kind of decompose a particular problem and say, oh, I'm going to delegate this to this set of agents. And why do we need to draw this distinction between tools, which are functions most of the time? And an actual agent. And so I'm going to write this irritating LinkedIn post, you know, proposing this. It's like, okay. And I'm not suggesting we should call even functions, you know, call them agents. But there is a certain amount of elegance that happens when you say, oh, we can just reduce it down to one primitive, which is an agent that you can combine in complicated ways to kind of raise the level of abstraction and accomplish higher order goals. Anyway, that's my answer. I'd say that's a success. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk on agent definitions.Alessio [00:09:54]: How do you define the minimum viable agent? Do you already have a definition for, like, where you draw the line between a cell and an atom? Yeah.Dharmesh [00:10:02]: So in my mind, it has to, at some level, use AI in order for it to—otherwise, it's just software. It's like, you know, we don't need another word for that. And so that's probably where I draw the line. So then the question, you know, the counterargument would be, well, if that's true, then lots of tools themselves are actually not agents because they're just doing a database call or a REST API call or whatever it is they're doing. And that does not necessarily qualify them, which is a fair counterargument. And I accept that. It's like a good argument. I still like to think about—because we'll talk about multi-agent systems, because I think—so we've accepted, which I think is true, lots of people have said it, and you've hopefully combined some of those clips of really smart people saying this is the year of agents, and I completely agree, it is the year of agents. But then shortly after that, it's going to be the year of multi-agent systems or multi-agent networks. I think that's where it's going to be headed next year. Yeah.swyx [00:10:54]: Opening eyes already on that. Yeah. My quick philosophical engagement with you on this. I often think about kind of the other spectrum, the other end of the cell spectrum. So single cell is life, multi-cell is life, and you clump a bunch of cells together in a more complex organism, they become organs, like an eye and a liver or whatever. And then obviously we consider ourselves one life form. There's not like a lot of lives within me. I'm just one life. And now, obviously, I don't think people don't really like to anthropomorphize agents and AI. Yeah. But we are extending our consciousness and our brain and our functionality out into machines. I just saw you were a Bee. Yeah. Which is, you know, it's nice. I have a limitless pendant in my pocket.Dharmesh [00:11:37]: I got one of these boys. Yeah.swyx [00:11:39]: I'm testing it all out. You know, got to be early adopters. But like, we want to extend our personal memory into these things so that we can be good at the things that we're good at. And, you know, machines are good at it. Machines are there. So like, my definition of life is kind of like going outside of my own body now. I don't know if you've ever had like reflections on that. Like how yours. How our self is like actually being distributed outside of you. Yeah.Dharmesh [00:12:01]: I don't fancy myself a philosopher. But you went there. So yeah, I did go there. I'm fascinated by kind of graphs and graph theory and networks and have been for a long, long time. And to me, we're sort of all nodes in this kind of larger thing. It just so happens that we're looking at individual kind of life forms as they exist right now. But so the idea is when you put a podcast out there, there's these little kind of nodes you're putting out there of like, you know, conceptual ideas. Once again, you have varying kind of forms of those little nodes that are up there and are connected in varying and sundry ways. And so I just think of myself as being a node in a massive, massive network. And I'm producing more nodes as I put content or ideas. And, you know, you spend some portion of your life collecting dots, experiences, people, and some portion of your life then connecting dots from the ones that you've collected over time. And I found that really interesting things happen and you really can't know in advance how those dots are necessarily going to connect in the future. And that's, yeah. So that's my philosophical take. That's the, yes, exactly. Coming back.Alessio [00:13:04]: Yep. Do you like graph as an agent? Abstraction? That's been one of the hot topics with LandGraph and Pydantic and all that.Dharmesh [00:13:11]: I do. The thing I'm more interested in terms of use of graphs, and there's lots of work happening on that now, is graph data stores as an alternative in terms of knowledge stores and knowledge graphs. Yeah. Because, you know, so I've been in software now 30 plus years, right? So it's not 10,000 hours. It's like 100,000 hours that I've spent doing this stuff. And so I've grew up with, so back in the day, you know, I started on mainframes. There was a product called IMS from IBM, which is basically an index database, what we'd call like a key value store today. Then we've had relational databases, right? We have tables and columns and foreign key relationships. We all know that. We have document databases like MongoDB, which is sort of a nested structure keyed by a specific index. We have vector stores, vector embedding database. And graphs are interesting for a couple of reasons. One is, so it's not classically structured in a relational way. When you say structured database, to most people, they're thinking tables and columns and in relational database and set theory and all that. Graphs still have structure, but it's not the tables and columns structure. And you could wonder, and people have made this case, that they are a better representation of knowledge for LLMs and for AI generally than other things. So that's kind of thing number one conceptually, and that might be true, I think is possibly true. And the other thing that I really like about that in the context of, you know, I've been in the context of data stores for RAG is, you know, RAG, you say, oh, I have a million documents, I'm going to build the vector embeddings, I'm going to come back with the top X based on the semantic match, and that's fine. All that's very, very useful. But the reality is something gets lost in the chunking process and the, okay, well, those tend, you know, like, you don't really get the whole picture, so to speak, and maybe not even the right set of dimensions on the kind of broader picture. And it makes intuitive sense to me that if we did capture it properly in a graph form, that maybe that feeding into a RAG pipeline will actually yield better results for some use cases, I don't know, but yeah.Alessio [00:15:03]: And do you feel like at the core of it, there's this difference between imperative and declarative programs? Because if you think about HubSpot, it's like, you know, people and graph kind of goes hand in hand, you know, but I think maybe the software before was more like primary foreign key based relationship, versus now the models can traverse through the graph more easily.Dharmesh [00:15:22]: Yes. So I like that representation. There's something. It's just conceptually elegant about graphs and just from the representation of it, they're much more discoverable, you can kind of see it, there's observability to it, versus kind of embeddings, which you can't really do much with as a human. You know, once they're in there, you can't pull stuff back out. But yeah, I like that kind of idea of it. And the other thing that's kind of, because I love graphs, I've been long obsessed with PageRank from back in the early days. And, you know, one of the kind of simplest algorithms in terms of coming up, you know, with a phone, everyone's been exposed to PageRank. And the idea is that, and so I had this other idea for a project, not a company, and I have hundreds of these, called NodeRank, is to be able to take the idea of PageRank and apply it to an arbitrary graph that says, okay, I'm going to define what authority looks like and say, okay, well, that's interesting to me, because then if you say, I'm going to take my knowledge store, and maybe this person that contributed some number of chunks to the graph data store has more authority on this particular use case or prompt that's being submitted than this other one that may, or maybe this one was more. popular, or maybe this one has, whatever it is, there should be a way for us to kind of rank nodes in a graph and sort them in some, some useful way. Yeah.swyx [00:16:34]: So I think that's generally useful for, for anything. I think the, the problem, like, so even though at my conferences, GraphRag is super popular and people are getting knowledge, graph religion, and I will say like, it's getting space, getting traction in two areas, conversation memory, and then also just rag in general, like the, the, the document data. Yeah. It's like a source. Most ML practitioners would say that knowledge graph is kind of like a dirty word. The graph database, people get graph religion, everything's a graph, and then they, they go really hard into it and then they get a, they get a graph that is too complex to navigate. Yes. And so like the, the, the simple way to put it is like you at running HubSpot, you know, the power of graphs, the way that Google has pitched them for many years, but I don't suspect that HubSpot itself uses a knowledge graph. No. Yeah.Dharmesh [00:17:26]: So when is it over engineering? Basically? It's a great question. I don't know. So the question now, like in AI land, right, is the, do we necessarily need to understand? So right now, LLMs for, for the most part are somewhat black boxes, right? We sort of understand how the, you know, the algorithm itself works, but we really don't know what's going on in there and, and how things come out. So if a graph data store is able to produce the outcomes we want, it's like, here's a set of queries I want to be able to submit and then it comes out with useful content. Maybe the underlying data store is as opaque as a vector embeddings or something like that, but maybe it's fine. Maybe we don't necessarily need to understand it to get utility out of it. And so maybe if it's messy, that's okay. Um, that's, it's just another form of lossy compression. Uh, it's just lossy in a way that we just don't completely understand in terms of, because it's going to grow organically. Uh, and it's not structured. It's like, ah, we're just gonna throw a bunch of stuff in there. Let the, the equivalent of the embedding algorithm, whatever they called in graph land. Um, so the one with the best results wins. I think so. Yeah.swyx [00:18:26]: Or is this the practical side of me is like, yeah, it's, if it's useful, we don't necessarilyDharmesh [00:18:30]: need to understand it.swyx [00:18:30]: I have, I mean, I'm happy to push back as long as you want. Uh, it's not practical to evaluate like the 10 different options out there because it takes time. It takes people, it takes, you know, resources, right? Set. That's the first thing. Second thing is your evals are typically on small things and some things only work at scale. Yup. Like graphs. Yup.Dharmesh [00:18:46]: Yup. That's, yeah, no, that's fair. And I think this is one of the challenges in terms of implementation of graph databases is that the most common approach that I've seen developers do, I've done it myself, is that, oh, I've got a Postgres database or a MySQL or whatever. I can represent a graph with a very set of tables with a parent child thing or whatever. And that sort of gives me the ability, uh, why would I need anything more than that? And the answer is, well, if you don't need anything more than that, you don't need anything more than that. But there's a high chance that you're sort of missing out on the actual value that, uh, the graph representation gives you. Which is the ability to traverse the graph, uh, efficiently in ways that kind of going through the, uh, traversal in a relational database form, even though structurally you have the data, practically you're not gonna be able to pull it out in, in useful ways. Uh, so you wouldn't like represent a social graph, uh, in, in using that kind of relational table model. It just wouldn't scale. It wouldn't work.swyx [00:19:36]: Uh, yeah. Uh, I think we want to move on to MCP. Yeah. But I just want to, like, just engineering advice. Yeah. Uh, obviously you've, you've, you've run, uh, you've, you've had to do a lot of projects and run a lot of teams. Do you have a general rule for over-engineering or, you know, engineering ahead of time? You know, like, because people, we know premature engineering is the root of all evil. Yep. But also sometimes you just have to. Yep. When do you do it? Yes.Dharmesh [00:19:59]: It's a great question. This is, uh, a question as old as time almost, which is what's the right and wrong levels of abstraction. That's effectively what, uh, we're answering when we're trying to do engineering. I tend to be a pragmatist, right? So here's the thing. Um, lots of times doing something the right way. Yeah. It's like a marginal increased cost in those cases. Just do it the right way. And this is what makes a, uh, a great engineer or a good engineer better than, uh, a not so great one. It's like, okay, all things being equal. If it's going to take you, you know, roughly close to constant time anyway, might as well do it the right way. Like, so do things well, then the question is, okay, well, am I building a framework as the reusable library? To what degree, uh, what am I anticipating in terms of what's going to need to change in this thing? Uh, you know, along what dimension? And then I think like a business person in some ways, like what's the return on calories, right? So, uh, and you look at, um, energy, the expected value of it's like, okay, here are the five possible things that could happen, uh, try to assign probabilities like, okay, well, if there's a 50% chance that we're going to go down this particular path at some day, like, or one of these five things is going to happen and it costs you 10% more to engineer for that. It's basically, it's something that yields a kind of interest compounding value. Um, as you get closer to the time of, of needing that versus having to take on debt, which is when you under engineer it, you're taking on debt. You're going to have to pay off when you do get to that eventuality where something happens. One thing as a pragmatist, uh, so I would rather under engineer something than over engineer it. If I were going to err on the side of something, and here's the reason is that when you under engineer it, uh, yes, you take on tech debt, uh, but the interest rate is relatively known and payoff is very, very possible, right? Which is, oh, I took a shortcut here as a result of which now this thing that should have taken me a week is now going to take me four weeks. Fine. But if that particular thing that you thought might happen, never actually, you never have that use case transpire or just doesn't, it's like, well, you just save yourself time, right? And that has value because you were able to do other things instead of, uh, kind of slightly over-engineering it away, over-engineering it. But there's no perfect answers in art form in terms of, uh, and yeah, we'll, we'll bring kind of this layers of abstraction back on the code generation conversation, which we'll, uh, I think I have later on, butAlessio [00:22:05]: I was going to ask, we can just jump ahead quickly. Yeah. Like, as you think about vibe coding and all that, how does the. Yeah. Percentage of potential usefulness change when I feel like we over-engineering a lot of times it's like the investment in syntax, it's less about the investment in like arc exacting. Yep. Yeah. How does that change your calculus?Dharmesh [00:22:22]: A couple of things, right? One is, um, so, you know, going back to that kind of ROI or a return on calories, kind of calculus or heuristic you think through, it's like, okay, well, what is it going to cost me to put this layer of abstraction above the code that I'm writing now, uh, in anticipating kind of future needs. If the cost of fixing, uh, or doing under engineering right now. Uh, we'll trend towards zero that says, okay, well, I don't have to get it right right now because even if I get it wrong, I'll run the thing for six hours instead of 60 minutes or whatever. It doesn't really matter, right? Like, because that's going to trend towards zero to be able, the ability to refactor a code. Um, and because we're going to not that long from now, we're going to have, you know, large code bases be able to exist, uh, you know, as, as context, uh, for a code generation or a code refactoring, uh, model. So I think it's going to make it, uh, make the case for under engineering, uh, even stronger. Which is why I take on that cost. You just pay the interest when you get there, it's not, um, just go on with your life vibe coded and, uh, come back when you need to. Yeah.Alessio [00:23:18]: Sometimes I feel like there's no decision-making in some things like, uh, today I built a autosave for like our internal notes platform and I literally just ask them cursor. Can you add autosave? Yeah. I don't know if it's over under engineer. Yep. I just vibe coded it. Yep. And I feel like at some point we're going to get to the point where the models kindDharmesh [00:23:36]: of decide where the right line is, but this is where the, like the, in my mind, the danger is, right? So there's two sides to this. One is the cost of kind of development and coding and things like that stuff that, you know, we talk about. But then like in your example, you know, one of the risks that we have is that because adding a feature, uh, like a save or whatever the feature might be to a product as that price tends towards zero, are we going to be less discriminant about what features we add as a result of making more product products more complicated, which has a negative impact on the user and navigate negative impact on the business. Um, and so that's the thing I worry about if it starts to become too easy, are we going to be. Too promiscuous in our, uh, kind of extension, adding product extensions and things like that. It's like, ah, why not add X, Y, Z or whatever back then it was like, oh, we only have so many engineering hours or story points or however you measure things. Uh, that least kept us in check a little bit. Yeah.Alessio [00:24:22]: And then over engineering, you're like, yeah, it's kind of like you're putting that on yourself. Yeah. Like now it's like the models don't understand that if they add too much complexity, it's going to come back to bite them later. Yep. So they just do whatever they want to do. Yeah. And I'm curious where in the workflow that's going to be, where it's like, Hey, this is like the amount of complexity and over-engineering you can do before you got to ask me if we should actually do it versus like do something else.Dharmesh [00:24:45]: So you know, we've already, let's like, we're leaving this, uh, in the code generation world, this kind of compressed, um, cycle time. Right. It's like, okay, we went from auto-complete, uh, in the GitHub co-pilot to like, oh, finish this particular thing and hit tab to a, oh, I sort of know your file or whatever. I can write out a full function to you to now I can like hold a bunch of the context in my head. Uh, so we can do app generation, which we have now with lovable and bolt and repletage. Yeah. Association and other things. So then the question is, okay, well, where does it naturally go from here? So we're going to generate products. Make sense. We might be able to generate platforms as though I want a platform for ERP that does this, whatever. And that includes the API's includes the product and the UI, and all the things that make for a platform. There's no nothing that says we would stop like, okay, can you generate an entire software company someday? Right. Uh, with the platform and the monetization and the go-to-market and the whatever. And you know, that that's interesting to me in terms of, uh, you know, what, when you take it to almost ludicrous levels. of abstract.swyx [00:25:39]: It's like, okay, turn it to 11. You mentioned vibe coding, so I have to, this is a blog post I haven't written, but I'm kind of exploring it. Is the junior engineer dead?Dharmesh [00:25:49]: I don't think so. I think what will happen is that the junior engineer will be able to, if all they're bringing to the table is the fact that they are a junior engineer, then yes, they're likely dead. But hopefully if they can communicate with carbon-based life forms, they can interact with product, if they're willing to talk to customers, they can take their kind of basic understanding of engineering and how kind of software works. I think that has value. So I have a 14-year-old right now who's taking Python programming class, and some people ask me, it's like, why is he learning coding? And my answer is, is because it's not about the syntax, it's not about the coding. What he's learning is like the fundamental thing of like how things work. And there's value in that. I think there's going to be timeless value in systems thinking and abstractions and what that means. And whether functions manifested as math, which he's going to get exposed to regardless, or there are some core primitives to the universe, I think, that the more you understand them, those are what I would kind of think of as like really large dots in your life that will have a higher gravitational pull and value to them that you'll then be able to. So I want him to collect those dots, and he's not resisting. So it's like, okay, while he's still listening to me, I'm going to have him do things that I think will be useful.swyx [00:26:59]: You know, part of one of the pitches that I evaluated for AI engineer is a term. And the term is that maybe the traditional interview path or career path of software engineer goes away, which is because what's the point of lead code? Yeah. And, you know, it actually matters more that you know how to work with AI and to implement the things that you want. Yep.Dharmesh [00:27:16]: That's one of the like interesting things that's happened with generative AI. You know, you go from machine learning and the models and just that underlying form, which is like true engineering, right? Like the actual, what I call real engineering. I don't think of myself as a real engineer, actually. I'm a developer. But now with generative AI. We call it AI and it's obviously got its roots in machine learning, but it just feels like fundamentally different to me. Like you have the vibe. It's like, okay, well, this is just a whole different approach to software development to so many different things. And so I'm wondering now, it's like an AI engineer is like, if you were like to draw the Venn diagram, it's interesting because the cross between like AI things, generative AI and what the tools are capable of, what the models do, and this whole new kind of body of knowledge that we're still building out, it's still very young, intersected with kind of classic engineering, software engineering. Yeah.swyx [00:28:04]: I just described the overlap as it separates out eventually until it's its own thing, but it's starting out as a software. Yeah.Alessio [00:28:11]: That makes sense. So to close the vibe coding loop, the other big hype now is MCPs. Obviously, I would say Cloud Desktop and Cursor are like the two main drivers of MCP usage. I would say my favorite is the Sentry MCP. I can pull in errors and then you can just put the context in Cursor. How do you think about that abstraction layer? Does it feel... Does it feel almost too magical in a way? Do you think it's like you get enough? Because you don't really see how the server itself is then kind of like repackaging theDharmesh [00:28:41]: information for you? I think MCP as a standard is one of the better things that's happened in the world of AI because a standard needed to exist and absent a standard, there was a set of things that just weren't possible. Now, we can argue whether it's the best possible manifestation of a standard or not. Does it do too much? Does it do too little? I get that, but it's just simple enough to both be useful and unobtrusive. It's understandable and adoptable by mere mortals, right? It's not overly complicated. You know, a reasonable engineer can put a stand up an MCP server relatively easily. The thing that has me excited about it is like, so I'm a big believer in multi-agent systems. And so that's going back to our kind of this idea of an atomic agent. So imagine the MCP server, like obviously it calls tools, but the way I think about it, so I'm working on my current passion project is agent.ai. And we'll talk more about that in a little bit. More about the, I think we should, because I think it's interesting not to promote the project at all, but there's some interesting ideas in there. One of which is around, we're going to need a mechanism for, if agents are going to collaborate and be able to delegate, there's going to need to be some form of discovery and we're going to need some standard way. It's like, okay, well, I just need to know what this thing over here is capable of. We're going to need a registry, which Anthropic's working on. I'm sure others will and have been doing directories of, and there's going to be a standard around that too. How do you build out a directory of MCP servers? I think that's going to unlock so many things just because, and we're already starting to see it. So I think MCP or something like it is going to be the next major unlock because it allows systems that don't know about each other, don't need to, it's that kind of decoupling of like Sentry and whatever tools someone else was building. And it's not just about, you know, Cloud Desktop or things like, even on the client side, I think we're going to see very interesting consumers of MCP, MCP clients versus just the chat body kind of things. Like, you know, Cloud Desktop and Cursor and things like that. But yeah, I'm very excited about MCP in that general direction.swyx [00:30:39]: I think the typical cynical developer take, it's like, we have OpenAPI. Yeah. What's the new thing? I don't know if you have a, do you have a quick MCP versus everything else? Yeah.Dharmesh [00:30:49]: So it's, so I like OpenAPI, right? So just a descriptive thing. It's OpenAPI. OpenAPI. Yes, that's what I meant. So it's basically a self-documenting thing. We can do machine-generated, lots of things from that output. It's a structured definition of an API. I get that, love it. But MCPs sort of are kind of use case specific. They're perfect for exactly what we're trying to use them for around LLMs in terms of discovery. It's like, okay, I don't necessarily need to know kind of all this detail. And so right now we have, we'll talk more about like MCP server implementations, but We will? I think, I don't know. Maybe we won't. At least it's in my head. It's like a back processor. But I do think MCP adds value above OpenAPI. It's, yeah, just because it solves this particular thing. And if we had come to the world, which we have, like, it's like, hey, we already have OpenAPI. It's like, if that were good enough for the universe, the universe would have adopted it already. There's a reason why MCP is taking office because marginally adds something that was missing before and doesn't go too far. And so that's why the kind of rate of adoption, you folks have written about this and talked about it. Yeah, why MCP won. Yeah. And it won because the universe decided that this was useful and maybe it gets supplanted by something else. Yeah. And maybe we discover, oh, maybe OpenAPI was good enough the whole time. I doubt that.swyx [00:32:09]: The meta lesson, this is, I mean, he's an investor in DevTools companies. I work in developer experience at DevRel in DevTools companies. Yep. Everyone wants to own the standard. Yeah. I'm sure you guys have tried to launch your own standards. Actually, it's Houseplant known for a standard, you know, obviously inbound marketing. But is there a standard or protocol that you ever tried to push? No.Dharmesh [00:32:30]: And there's a reason for this. Yeah. Is that? And I don't mean, need to mean, speak for the people of HubSpot, but I personally. You kind of do. I'm not smart enough. That's not the, like, I think I have a. You're smart. Not enough for that. I'm much better off understanding the standards that are out there. And I'm more on the composability side. Let's, like, take the pieces of technology that exist out there, combine them in creative, unique ways. And I like to consume standards. I don't like to, and that's not that I don't like to create them. I just don't think I have the, both the raw wattage or the credibility. It's like, okay, well, who the heck is Dharmesh, and why should we adopt a standard he created?swyx [00:33:07]: Yeah, I mean, there are people who don't monetize standards, like OpenTelemetry is a big standard, and LightStep never capitalized on that.Dharmesh [00:33:15]: So, okay, so if I were to do a standard, there's two things that have been in my head in the past. I was one around, a very, very basic one around, I don't even have the domain, I have a domain for everything, for open marketing. Because the issue we had in HubSpot grew up in the marketing space. There we go. There was no standard around data formats and things like that. It doesn't go anywhere. But the other one, and I did not mean to go here, but I'm going to go here. It's called OpenGraph. I know the term was already taken, but it hasn't been used for like 15 years now for its original purpose. But what I think should exist in the world is right now, our information, all of us, nodes are in the social graph at Meta or the professional graph at LinkedIn. Both of which are actually relatively closed in actually very annoying ways. Like very, very closed, right? Especially LinkedIn. Especially LinkedIn. I personally believe that if it's my data, and if I would get utility out of it being open, I should be able to make my data open or publish it in whatever forms that I choose, as long as I have control over it as opt-in. So the idea is around OpenGraph that says, here's a standard, here's a way to publish it. I should be able to go to OpenGraph.org slash Dharmesh dot JSON and get it back. And it's like, here's your stuff, right? And I can choose along the way and people can write to it and I can prove. And there can be an entire system. And if I were to do that, I would do it as a... Like a public benefit, non-profit-y kind of thing, as this is a contribution to society. I wouldn't try to commercialize that. Have you looked at AdProto? What's that? AdProto.swyx [00:34:43]: It's the protocol behind Blue Sky. Okay. My good friend, Dan Abramov, who was the face of React for many, many years, now works there. And he actually did a talk that I can send you, which basically kind of tries to articulate what you just said. But he does, he loves doing these like really great analogies, which I think you'll like. Like, you know, a lot of our data is behind a handle, behind a domain. Yep. So he's like, all right, what if we flip that? What if it was like our handle and then the domain? Yep. So, and that's really like your data should belong to you. Yep. And I should not have to wait 30 days for my Twitter data to export. Yep.Dharmesh [00:35:19]: you should be able to at least be able to automate it or do like, yes, I should be able to plug it into an agentic thing. Yeah. Yes. I think we're... Because so much of our data is... Locked up. I think the trick here isn't that standard. It is getting the normies to care.swyx [00:35:37]: Yeah. Because normies don't care.Dharmesh [00:35:38]: That's true. But building on that, normies don't care. So, you know, privacy is a really hot topic and an easy word to use, but it's not a binary thing. Like there are use cases where, and we make these choices all the time, that I will trade, not all privacy, but I will trade some privacy for some productivity gain or some benefit to me that says, oh, I don't care about that particular data being online if it gives me this in return, or I don't mind sharing this information with this company.Alessio [00:36:02]: If I'm getting, you know, this in return, but that sort of should be my option. I think now with computer use, you can actually automate some of the exports. Yes. Like something we've been doing internally is like everybody exports their LinkedIn connections. Yep. And then internally, we kind of merge them together to see how we can connect our companies to customers or things like that.Dharmesh [00:36:21]: And not to pick on LinkedIn, but since we're talking about it, but they feel strongly enough on the, you know, do not take LinkedIn data that they will block even browser use kind of things or whatever. They go to great, great lengths, even to see patterns of usage. And it says, oh, there's no way you could have, you know, gotten that particular thing or whatever without, and it's, so it's, there's...swyx [00:36:42]: Wasn't there a Supreme Court case that they lost? Yeah.Dharmesh [00:36:45]: So the one they lost was around someone that was scraping public data that was on the public internet. And that particular company had not signed any terms of service or whatever. It's like, oh, I'm just taking data that's on, there was no, and so that's why they won. But now, you know, the question is around, can LinkedIn... I think they can. Like, when you use, as a user, you use LinkedIn, you are signing up for their terms of service. And if they say, well, this kind of use of your LinkedIn account that violates our terms of service, they can shut your account down, right? They can. And they, yeah, so, you know, we don't need to make this a discussion. By the way, I love the company, don't get me wrong. I'm an avid user of the product. You know, I've got... Yeah, I mean, you've got over a million followers on LinkedIn, I think. Yeah, I do. And I've known people there for a long, long time, right? And I have lots of respect. And I understand even where the mindset originally came from of this kind of members-first approach to, you know, a privacy-first. I sort of get that. But sometimes you sort of have to wonder, it's like, okay, well, that was 15, 20 years ago. There's likely some controlled ways to expose some data on some member's behalf and not just completely be a binary. It's like, no, thou shalt not have the data.swyx [00:37:54]: Well, just pay for sales navigator.Alessio [00:37:57]: Before we move to the next layer of instruction, anything else on MCP you mentioned? Let's move back and then I'll tie it back to MCPs.Dharmesh [00:38:05]: So I think the... Open this with agent. Okay, so I'll start with... Here's my kind of running thesis, is that as AI and agents evolve, which they're doing very, very quickly, we're going to look at them more and more. I don't like to anthropomorphize. We'll talk about why this is not that. Less as just like raw tools and more like teammates. They'll still be software. They should self-disclose as being software. I'm totally cool with that. But I think what's going to happen is that in the same way you might collaborate with a team member on Slack or Teams or whatever you use, you can imagine a series of agents that do specific things just like a team member might do, that you can delegate things to. You can collaborate. You can say, hey, can you take a look at this? Can you proofread that? Can you try this? You can... Whatever it happens to be. So I think it is... I will go so far as to say it's inevitable that we're going to have hybrid teams someday. And what I mean by hybrid teams... So back in the day, hybrid teams were, oh, well, you have some full-time employees and some contractors. Then it was like hybrid teams are some people that are in the office and some that are remote. That's the kind of form of hybrid. The next form of hybrid is like the carbon-based life forms and agents and AI and some form of software. So let's say we temporarily stipulate that I'm right about that over some time horizon that eventually we're going to have these kind of digitally hybrid teams. So if that's true, then the question you sort of ask yourself is that then what needs to exist in order for us to get the full value of that new model? It's like, okay, well... You sort of need to... It's like, okay, well, how do I... If I'm building a digital team, like, how do I... Just in the same way, if I'm interviewing for an engineer or a designer or a PM, whatever, it's like, well, that's why we have professional networks, right? It's like, oh, they have a presence on likely LinkedIn. I can go through that semi-structured, structured form, and I can see the experience of whatever, you know, self-disclosed. But, okay, well, agents are going to need that someday. And so I'm like, okay, well, this seems like a thread that's worth pulling on. That says, okay. So I... So agent.ai is out there. And it's LinkedIn for agents. It's LinkedIn for agents. It's a professional network for agents. And the more I pull on that thread, it's like, okay, well, if that's true, like, what happens, right? It's like, oh, well, they have a profile just like anyone else, just like a human would. It's going to be a graph underneath, just like a professional network would be. It's just that... And you can have its, you know, connections and follows, and agents should be able to post. That's maybe how they do release notes. Like, oh, I have this new version. Whatever they decide to post, it should just be able to... Behave as a node on the network of a professional network. As it turns out, the more I think about that and pull on that thread, the more and more things, like, start to make sense to me. So it may be more than just a pure professional network. So my original thought was, okay, well, it's a professional network and agents as they exist out there, which I think there's going to be more and more of, will kind of exist on this network and have the profile. But then, and this is always dangerous, I'm like, okay, I want to see a world where thousands of agents are out there in order for the... Because those digital employees, the digital workers don't exist yet in any meaningful way. And so then I'm like, oh, can I make that easier for, like... And so I have, as one does, it's like, oh, I'll build a low-code platform for building agents. How hard could that be, right? Like, very hard, as it turns out. But it's been fun. So now, agent.ai has 1.3 million users. 3,000 people have actually, you know, built some variation of an agent, sometimes just for their own personal productivity. About 1,000 of which have been published. And the reason this comes back to MCP for me, so imagine that and other networks, since I know agent.ai. So right now, we have an MCP server for agent.ai that exposes all the internally built agents that we have that do, like, super useful things. Like, you know, I have access to a Twitter API that I can subsidize the cost. And I can say, you know, if you're looking to build something for social media, these kinds of things, with a single API key, and it's all completely free right now, I'm funding it. That's a useful way for it to work. And then we have a developer to say, oh, I have this idea. I don't have to worry about open AI. I don't have to worry about, now, you know, this particular model is better. It has access to all the models with one key. And we proxy it kind of behind the scenes. And then expose it. So then we get this kind of community effect, right? That says, oh, well, someone else may have built an agent to do X. Like, I have an agent right now that I built for myself to do domain valuation for website domains because I'm obsessed with domains, right? And, like, there's no efficient market for domains. There's no Zillow for domains right now that tells you, oh, here are what houses in your neighborhood sold for. It's like, well, why doesn't that exist? We should be able to solve that problem. And, yes, you're still guessing. Fine. There should be some simple heuristic. So I built that. It's like, okay, well, let me go look for past transactions. You say, okay, I'm going to type in agent.ai, agent.com, whatever domain. What's it actually worth? I'm looking at buying it. It can go and say, oh, which is what it does. It's like, I'm going to go look at are there any published domain transactions recently that are similar, either use the same word, same top-level domain, whatever it is. And it comes back with an approximate value, and it comes back with its kind of rationale for why it picked the value and comparable transactions. Oh, by the way, this domain sold for published. Okay. So that agent now, let's say, existed on the web, on agent.ai. Then imagine someone else says, oh, you know, I want to build a brand-building agent for startups and entrepreneurs to come up with names for their startup. Like a common problem, every startup is like, ah, I don't know what to call it. And so they type in five random words that kind of define whatever their startup is. And you can do all manner of things, one of which is like, oh, well, I need to find the domain for it. What are possible choices? Now it's like, okay, well, it would be nice to know if there's an aftermarket price for it, if it's listed for sale. Awesome. Then imagine calling this valuation agent. It's like, okay, well, I want to find where the arbitrage is, where the agent valuation tool says this thing is worth $25,000. It's listed on GoDaddy for $5,000. It's close enough. Let's go do that. Right? And that's a kind of composition use case that in my future state. Thousands of agents on the network, all discoverable through something like MCP. And then you as a developer of agents have access to all these kind of Lego building blocks based on what you're trying to solve. Then you blend in orchestration, which is getting better and better with the reasoning models now. Just describe the problem that you have. Now, the next layer that we're all contending with is that how many tools can you actually give an LLM before the LLM breaks? That number used to be like 15 or 20 before you kind of started to vary dramatically. And so that's the thing I'm thinking about now. It's like, okay, if I want to... If I want to expose 1,000 of these agents to a given LLM, obviously I can't give it all 1,000. Is there some intermediate layer that says, based on your prompt, I'm going to make a best guess at which agents might be able to be helpful for this particular thing? Yeah.Alessio [00:44:37]: Yeah, like RAG for tools. Yep. I did build the Latent Space Researcher on agent.ai. Okay. Nice. Yeah, that seems like, you know, then there's going to be a Latent Space Scheduler. And then once I schedule a research, you know, and you build all of these things. By the way, my apologies for the user experience. You realize I'm an engineer. It's pretty good.swyx [00:44:56]: I think it's a normie-friendly thing. Yeah. That's your magic. HubSpot does the same thing.Alessio [00:45:01]: Yeah, just to like quickly run through it. You can basically create all these different steps. And these steps are like, you know, static versus like variable-driven things. How did you decide between this kind of like low-code-ish versus doing, you know, low-code with code backend versus like not exposing that at all? Any fun design decisions? Yeah. And this is, I think...Dharmesh [00:45:22]: I think lots of people are likely sitting in exactly my position right now, coming through the choosing between deterministic. Like if you're like in a business or building, you know, some sort of agentic thing, do you decide to do a deterministic thing? Or do you go non-deterministic and just let the alum handle it, right, with the reasoning models? The original idea and the reason I took the low-code stepwise, a very deterministic approach. A, the reasoning models did not exist at that time. That's thing number one. Thing number two is if you can get... If you know in your head... If you know in your head what the actual steps are to accomplish whatever goal, why would you leave that to chance? There's no upside. There's literally no upside. Just tell me, like, what steps do you need executed? So right now what I'm playing with... So one thing we haven't talked about yet, and people don't talk about UI and agents. Right now, the primary interaction model... Or they don't talk enough about it. I know some people have. But it's like, okay, so we're used to the chatbot back and forth. Fine. I get that. But I think we're going to move to a blend of... Some of those things are going to be synchronous as they are now. But some are going to be... Some are going to be async. It's just going to put it in a queue, just like... And this goes back to my... Man, I talk fast. But I have this... I only have one other speed. It's even faster. So imagine it's like if you're working... So back to my, oh, we're going to have these hybrid digital teams. Like, you would not go to a co-worker and say, I'm going to ask you to do this thing, and then sit there and wait for them to go do it. Like, that's not how the world works. So it's nice to be able to just, like, hand something off to someone. It's like, okay, well, maybe I expect a response in an hour or a day or something like that.Dharmesh [00:46:52]: In terms of when things need to happen. So the UI around agents. So if you look at the output of agent.ai agents right now, they are the simplest possible manifestation of a UI, right? That says, oh, we have inputs of, like, four different types. Like, we've got a dropdown, we've got multi-select, all the things. It's like back in HTML, the original HTML 1.0 days, right? Like, you're the smallest possible set of primitives for a UI. And it just says, okay, because we need to collect some information from the user, and then we go do steps and do things. And generate some output in HTML or markup are the two primary examples. So the thing I've been asking myself, if I keep going down that path. So people ask me, I get requests all the time. It's like, oh, can you make the UI sort of boring? I need to be able to do this, right? And if I keep pulling on that, it's like, okay, well, now I've built an entire UI builder thing. Where does this end? And so I think the right answer, and this is what I'm going to be backcoding once I get done here, is around injecting a code generation UI generation into, the agent.ai flow, right? As a builder, you're like, okay, I'm going to describe the thing that I want, much like you would do in a vibe coding world. But instead of generating the entire app, it's going to generate the UI that exists at some point in either that deterministic flow or something like that. It says, oh, here's the thing I'm trying to do. Go generate the UI for me. And I can go through some iterations. And what I think of it as a, so it's like, I'm going to generate the code, generate the code, tweak it, go through this kind of prompt style, like we do with vibe coding now. And at some point, I'm going to be happy with it. And I'm going to hit save. And that's going to become the action in that particular step. It's like a caching of the generated code that I can then, like incur any inference time costs. It's just the actual code at that point.Alessio [00:48:29]: Yeah, I invested in a company called E2B, which does code sandbox. And they powered the LM arena web arena. So it's basically the, just like you do LMS, like text to text, they do the same for like UI generation. So if you're asking a model, how do you do it? But yeah, I think that's kind of where.Dharmesh [00:48:45]: That's the thing I'm really fascinated by. So the early LLM, you know, we're understandably, but laughably bad at simple arithmetic, right? That's the thing like my wife, Normies would ask us, like, you call this AI, like it can't, my son would be like, it's just stupid. It can't even do like simple arithmetic. And then like we've discovered over time that, and there's a reason for this, right? It's like, it's a large, there's, you know, the word language is in there for a reason in terms of what it's been trained on. It's not meant to do math, but now it's like, okay, well, the fact that it has access to a Python interpreter that I can actually call at runtime, that solves an entire body of problems that it wasn't trained to do. And it's basically a form of delegation. And so the thought that's kind of rattling around in my head is that that's great. So it's, it's like took the arithmetic problem and took it first. Now, like anything that's solvable through a relatively concrete Python program, it's able to do a bunch of things that I couldn't do before. Can we get to the same place with UI? I don't know what the future of UI looks like in a agentic AI world, but maybe let the LLM handle it, but not in the classic sense. Maybe it generates it on the fly, or maybe we go through some iterations and hit cache or something like that. So it's a little bit more predictable. Uh, I don't know, but yeah.Alessio [00:49:48]: And especially when is the human supposed to intervene? So, especially if you're composing them, most of them should not have a UI because then they're just web hooking to somewhere else. I just want to touch back. I don't know if you have more comments on this.swyx [00:50:01]: I was just going to ask when you, you said you got, you're going to go back to code. What

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Kev and Codey talk about Cinnabunny Timings 00:00:00: Theme Tune 00:00:30: Intro 00:03:07: I Know What You Released Last Month 00:06:45: What Have We Been Up To 00:23:19: Game News 00:52:48: New Games 01:02:27: Cinnabunny 01:34:10: Outro Links Elusive Kickstarter Disney Dreamlight Valley Tales of Agrabah Travellers Rest 0.7 Update Resarch Story 0.12 Update Horticular Frozen Frontier DLC Stardew Valley Merch Oppidum Ashwood Valley Farming Simulator VR Contact Al on Mastodon: https://mastodon.scot/@TheScotBot Email Us: https://harvestseason.club/contact/ Transcript (0:00:30) Kev: Hello farmers and welcome to the harvest season on Kevin and with me today is (0:00:37) Codey: Cody! (0:00:39) Kev: Whoo, we’re here to talk about cod score games. Whoo. There’s somewhere in there put those things in the right order (0:00:40) Codey: Woo! (0:00:43) Codey: Woo! Ow, ow, ow! (0:00:47) Kev: Hungry like that man hungry like the wolf already going off in the first change a deal. I’d like to rant around (0:00:52) Kev: But what a good it’s been (0:00:53) Codey: I love Duran Duran. (0:00:56) Kev: So good (0:00:57) Codey: I grew up on Duran Duran. (0:00:59) Kev: I grew up (0:01:00) Kev: on a lot of 80s because I know that’s what my parents listened to and that just transferred over (0:01:05) Kev: to me right um so a lot of fondness for those groups um but yeah her name is rio and she’s (0:01:10) Codey: Mm hmm. She dances on the sand, man. (0:01:13) Kev: dancing on the sand don’t you know yeah oh man um it it kind of paints me how many of these bands (0:01:22) Kev: that i’ve never actually going to see in concert that I enjoy right because we’re all you know (0:01:26) Codey: Oh my god, I’ve never thought of that. Why did you just do that to me? (0:01:31) Kev: the one I mean yeah I would kill for a hall of notes concert but I don’t know when that’ll happen (0:01:41) Kev: I need hachi are they touring I don’t know you know because they make money so um maybe they’re (0:01:49) Kev: still touring I don’t know oh apparently they’re touring hall of notes in canada and houston and (0:01:56) Kev: And Santa Tony would say, “Well, keep tuned, listen to me.” (0:02:00) Kev: And he was like, “Will Kevin get to see Hall & Oates in concert? Maybe.” (0:02:06) Kev: Anyways, well, we’re actually here to talk about not just reverence for the ’80s, (0:02:10) Kev: but we are here to talk about College Corps games, in particular Cinnabunny, (0:02:18) Kev: the bunny-baking game, action RPG game, throwing all those genre modifiers in there. (0:02:26) Codey: the bunny baking action RPG, the way that you said that makes me think that you bake something and then that’s like a weapon that you use to defeat evil. And I’m so looking forward to discussing how that’s incorporated into the game. Right? (0:02:34) Kev: Oh my gosh, I’d be sick that would be so sick doing ear combos with a baguette (0:02:51) Kev: It is RPG though, I mean you are doing actions, you can fly planes. (0:03:04) Kev: Alright but before we get to that we got news, we got other stuff, and you know what, I missed (0:03:10) Kev: the last episode or two, do we formalize this segment name, I know what you released last (0:03:14) Kev: month, yeah I remember you did it, yes, yes, yeah, yeah I don’t think that, I haven’t seen (0:03:14) Codey: Well, so we did it at the end of January and I think that’s what we joked that the thing (0:03:23) Codey: would be called. (0:03:24) Codey: And so now I think that’s what it is. (0:03:26) Codey: So it’s “I know what you released last month.” (0:03:31) Codey: Ooooooh! (0:03:32) Kev: those numbers, but here we go. Let’s see what the scary thing is. (0:03:34) Kev: What came out in February of 2025? Well, first of all, Cinnabonnie did (0:03:46) Kev: indeed release in just the past few weeks. I will get to play that game, but it’s (0:03:51) Kev: good. It’s on Steam right now only for Windows. Sadly, no Mac or whatever. It is (0:03:58) Kev: only $24.99 USD. I think it’s a great buy at that price. Obviously, I will get into (0:04:04) Kev: it more later, but the price. We got Pixel Cross Rune Factory on Switch and Steam, (0:04:13) Kev: again, Windows only, for $12 USD. This is the Not Pick Cross, because it’s a brand, (0:04:19) Kev: but same type of game. We covered it before. There’s some money for Pixel Cross on (0:04:25) Kev: Harvest Moon, but now this is the Rune Factory iteration, which is interesting. (0:04:30) Kev: Well, it’s so interesting, who knows, maybe somebody will talk about it on a shirt. (0:04:36) Kev: We also have echoes of the Plum Grove. We’ve got the Switch version. It has already been out on Steam for Windows and Mac. (0:04:46) Kev: It is $19.99 USD, 40% off until March 12th. So that’s like a week after you guys are listening to this, so get to it. (0:04:58) Codey: Yeah, and part of that is the women’s day (0:05:03) Codey: Sale so on yeah on Steam right now is the women’s day sale and that goes in through March 9th and that is honoring (0:05:04) Kev: Oh, is that what it is? Okay, cool cool. (0:05:12) Codey: Studios that are led either by women or by gender minor gender identifying minorities (0:05:19) Codey: So yeah (0:05:20) Codey: So I think that’s at least 20 percent because everything on the women’s day sale is 20 percent (0:05:24) Codey: so at least 20% of the 40% off on the echoes of the bum grove is (0:05:25) Kev: - Yeah. (0:05:28) Codey: for the women’s day sale, but but yeah. (0:05:30) Kev: Yeah, and this one is, (0:05:35) Kev: well, it’s a lot more traditional-esque, cozy, (0:05:39) Kev: stardew stuff. (0:05:41) Kev: But it’s notable because it has a very cute, (0:05:42) Kev: almost Paper Mario art style. (0:05:46) Kev: So that is almost worth checking out for that alone, (0:05:49) Kev: I think, I love that art style, right? (0:05:52) Kev: But yeah, you’re farming. (0:05:53) Kev: It looks kind of like in a– (0:05:55) Kev: Victorian Englandy colonial America setting, but yeah, check that out. (0:06:02) Kev: I might check that out. That’s interesting, actually, now that I look at it closely. (0:06:07) Kev: Wow, all these things I’ll be checking out because the last one, for sure. (0:06:12) Kev: We got Amber Isle on the switch for $24.99 USD. (0:06:16) Kev: Finally on the switch. I’d been wanting that for a while. I’ll get to it soon, I hope. (0:06:21) Kev: That’s the dinosaur crossing, basically. (0:06:25) Kev: Then I like dinosaurs and then I get one crossing, so right up my alley. (0:06:30) Kev: That’s been out on Steam for a while, but we got the Switch version, which, yeah, makes (0:06:35) Kev: sense. (0:06:36) Kev: Good fit. (0:06:38) Kev: And yeah, that is what has come out in the last month. (0:06:43) Kev: And before we get into other game news and updates and whatnot, Cody, what have you been (0:06:48) Codey: I have been playing a lot of the games (0:06:51) Codey: that I have continued to talk about on previous episodes. (0:06:54) Codey: But I just realized, in danger of leading a tangent, (0:07:02) Codey: that you like Marvel. (0:07:04) Codey: And two or three days ago, my Adderall told me– (0:07:10) Codey: which I’m now on Adderall. (0:07:11) Codey: It’s lovely. (0:07:12) Codey: My Adderall told me, hey, you haven’t watched the Marvel (0:07:15) Codey: movies in a while. (0:07:15) Codey: And so I watched all of phase one. (0:07:16) Kev: Mm-hmm (0:07:18) Codey: In one day, yeah, so let me, let me look at, look at my list for that. (0:07:19) Kev: Whoa, whoa, I mean Wow (0:07:27) Codey: So folks might not know what I’m talking about. (0:07:27) Kev: Okay, first of all (0:07:30) Kev: First of all, that’s that’s a lot of movie right? Um (0:07:33) Codey: It was there’s so good. (0:07:35) Kev: But second of all, those are also almost all really good. Look, you know (0:07:40) Codey: I think that I’m going to have to skip some later on, but I don’t know. (0:07:43) Codey: We’ll see. (0:07:43) Codey: So phase one, the infinity saga includes iron man, the 2008 iron man, (0:07:48) Codey: incredible Hulk, uh, Iron Man two Thor captain America, the first Avenger (0:07:52) Codey: and the Avengers, um, I am now in phase two. (0:07:56) Kev: Wait, Thor? You said Thor right there, didn’t I hear you? (0:07:57) Codey: I said, Thor. (0:07:58) Codey: Yeah, I am now in phase two, which is Iron Man three Thor, the dark world, (0:08:03) Codey: captain America, winter soldiers. (0:08:05) Codey: I’ve already watched. (0:08:05) Codey: I watched those three yesterday. (0:08:08) Kev: Well, see, this is when things get interesting, because we get to the highest of high and lowest of lows in this spread. (0:08:14) Codey: Yeah. (0:08:14) Codey: So the next one is guardians of the galaxy. (0:08:18) Codey: And then Ultron and then Ant-Man. (0:08:20) Codey: So yeah, I think everything in the first saga phase one is was gold. (0:08:26) Kev: Mm-hmm (0:08:26) Codey: I liked it. (0:08:27) Codey: I mean, I don’t like captain America at all, but like that was an okay (0:08:28) Kev: It’s the (0:08:30) Codey: movie, whatever, um, Correct. (0:08:31) Kev: It’s the reason it worked like I mean the whole reason the MCU exists if the phase one had failed at any point (0:08:39) Kev: We would not it would not be here today (0:08:42) Codey: Iron Man three chef’s kiss, no notes. (0:08:44) Codey: I love that movie. (0:08:44) Codey: And then the Thor, second Thor and second Captain America movies. (0:08:48) Codey: I could probably, I couldn’t tell you much about what happened in those movies. (0:08:52) Kev: That’s fine. (0:08:52) Codey: So excited for guardians of the galaxy though. (0:08:55) Codey: Later. (0:08:56) Kev: Guardians is good. (0:08:58) Kev: Guardians is good. (0:08:58) Codey: So yeah, I’ve been doing that. (0:09:00) Codey: That’s one thing I’ve been up to. (0:09:00) Kev: Man. (0:09:02) Kev: Oh, man, what? (0:09:03) Codey: What is your favorite MCU movie? (0:09:04) Kev: Oh, that’s… (0:09:06) Kev: You know, I’m going to go with original Avengers, 2012 Avengers. (0:09:10) Codey: Yeah, it was, it was real good. (0:09:12) Kev: Because one, it’s good. (0:09:14) Kev: And two, it’s like… (0:09:16) Kev: It’s a handful of things because I was in a Marvel fan before the MCU, right? (0:09:20) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:09:22) Kev: Deep, deep, and I knew dumb characters and stuff like that, right? (0:09:26) Kev: So this was a moment of, like, I can’t believe this is actually happening. (0:09:30) Kev: I can’t believe I live in a world where Avengers have taken center stage in a hit blockbuster Hollywood movie. (0:09:40) Kev: And also, I mean, just everything works, right? (0:09:42) Kev: They built up to it correctly, and it’s a big cast, and they still manage to play around, and everyone gets their moments. (0:09:48) Kev: moment. It’s, it’s, it’s a chef’s kiss. (0:09:52) Codey: I did also, I think it was either in this movie or in Ironman 3, I can’t remember, but like someone comes forward and is like talking about how they’re watching. I think someone from S.H.I.E.L.D., maybe, I don’t know, they’re like, we’ve been watching all the big characters like Oni Stark, duh duh duh duh, and then he says Steven Strange and okay, cool and Dr. Strange isn’t even in this phase, so it’s like a drop, like it’s a name drop that people who would know. (0:10:02) Kev: Mm-hmm (0:10:06) Kev: Yeah (0:10:09) Kev: That is that is from Captain America the second one. Mm-hmm (0:10:16) Kev: Yeah (0:10:19) Kev: It it is (0:10:22) Codey: I was like, did we miss, did I skip that movie because, but no, it’s way later, so. (0:10:22) Kev: Yeah (0:10:24) Kev: No (0:10:27) Kev: Yeah, and it’s it’s really funny because it makes no sense because up to at that point because you know (0:10:32) Kev: Taking more or less place in real time (0:10:34) Codey: - Yeah. (0:10:35) Kev: He’s literally just a doctor. I don’t know why they (0:10:39) Codey: Yeah, like why do they, why are they, yeah. (0:10:39) Kev: but (0:10:41) Kev: He’s too good of a doctor I don’t know because he looks too much like Benedict Cumberbatch, I guess I don’t know (0:10:42) Codey: Why do they care about him? (0:10:43) Codey: He’s just doing his thing. (0:10:45) Codey: - So. (0:10:49) Codey: - I like bumper sticker, cabbage patch. (0:10:51) Codey: That’s my favorite Benedict Cumberbatch name thing. (0:10:54) Kev: Oh, that’s a good one. I’ve always been Benedict Cumberland myself. (0:10:59) Codey: - Oh, Cumberbund, that’s another really good one. (0:11:02) Codey: - Okay, so the games that I’ve been playing, (0:11:05) Codey: I’m gonna just run through them really quick. (0:11:06) Codey: I am still playing Animal Crossing, pocket camp complete, (0:11:10) Codey: and I am now level 105. (0:11:14) Codey: I think previously I was in the sixties. (0:11:17) Codey: So I’ve been playing it. (0:11:18) Kev: Oh dang. Oh dang. (0:11:21) Codey: Still playing mini, mini farm. (0:11:23) Codey: I am in the last area now (0:11:24) Codey: and I just need to buy the last house. (0:11:28) Codey: The story has progressed, but I still have questions. (0:11:31) Codey: So it’s– (0:11:31) Kev: I’m, I’m, I’m, you close my mind, there’s a story to it. (0:11:35) Codey: It’s intriguing enough, yeah, for sure. (0:11:38) Codey: Still playing Honey Grove as well. (0:11:41) Codey: I mean, the game loop of that game is you’re planting stuff, (0:11:46) Codey: you’re getting resources, you’re clearing the area (0:11:50) Codey: around your hive so you can decorate it. (0:11:52) Codey: And then there’s a map that you’re (0:11:54) Codey: clearing by the adventures of your bees. (0:11:58) Codey: So I am just pretty much just going through the map. (0:12:04) Codey: Clearing stuff at this point, but it all takes time. (0:12:07) Codey: It’s always usually at least three hours for your bees (0:12:08) Kev: Okay. Okay. (0:12:11) Codey: to be sent out on a mission. (0:12:13) Codey: But it’s just a fun little– (0:12:16) Codey: I jump on it. (0:12:16) Codey: I spend maybe five minutes getting everything done. (0:12:19) Codey: And then I play it later that evening, so it’s fine. (0:12:24) Codey: The final thing is Bug and Seek, which I don’t know (0:12:27) Codey: if I’ve mentioned on– (0:12:28) Codey: well, I think we’ve mentioned it on the pod last time I was on (0:12:32) Codey: as this is now out. (0:12:34) Codey: So it’s basically you come to a town (0:12:35) Kev: Okay, due to I’ve seen I heard that I don’t remember do tell me what it is (0:12:47) Codey: to revive the insectarium of the town, which is basically (0:12:53) Codey: the insect zoo of the town. (0:12:55) Codey: And your whole job is to walk around this town (0:12:59) Codey: and collect insects and give people– (0:13:02) Codey: some people are like, oh, man, I really (0:13:03) Codey: want this for my collection. (0:13:04) Codey: And some people are like, these cucumber beetles are eating my plants, bring me three (0:13:09) Codey: dead ones to show that you’ve like murdered them or something. (0:13:13) Kev: bring bring me the trophies of your your kill of the hunt so we can parade it (0:13:13) Codey: Because they’re like upset. (0:13:16) Codey: Exactly. (0:13:18) Codey: And like, so there’s multiple so we can put them on posts to warn any other cucumber beetles. (0:13:20) Kev: around the village square (0:13:24) Kev: yes (0:13:26) Codey: Um, yeah, no, so it’s basically just an entire town that is all very conscious of insects. (0:13:33) Codey: and I am here for it. (0:13:35) Codey: There are like, you can buy tanks at a couple different stores. (0:13:39) Codey: You, that you catch insects in a bunch of different terrains. (0:13:43) Codey: Like you either get them out of trees. (0:13:44) Codey: They’re either flying around, they might be under a rock in grass, like whatever. (0:13:50) Codey: Um, and you are trying to revive the insectarium and fill it back in the (0:13:55) Codey: zoo, because apparently someone in the great bug heist of the previous year, (0:14:02) Codey: someone just like stole everything. (0:14:04) Codey: And you’re trying to figure out who, who done it. (0:14:08) Codey: It’s like a who done it as well. (0:14:10) Kev: - Okay. (0:14:11) Codey: Because you’re, you go through and you’re like, someone’s like, Oh, this guy looked (0:14:14) Codey: really shady. (0:14:16) Codey: And so you go and you’re like, what the heck? (0:14:17) Codey: And he’s like, Oh, but I was, I have an alibi for that night. (0:14:20) Codey: But this girl, like she, she was saying some bad things. (0:14:24) Codey: And so it’s all about. (0:14:25) Kev: gosh, so I’m, I’m, I’m looking at the trailer and there’s like, (0:14:27) Codey: Yeah. (0:14:28) Codey: Yeah. (0:14:28) Kev: literally like a notebook where you’re jotting down your clue (0:14:29) Codey: Yeah. (0:14:30) Codey: Yeah. (0:14:32) Kev: notes to figure out who did it. That’s incredible. (0:14:34) Codey: It’s so fun and you could totally just run around and catch all the bugs if you want. (0:14:41) Codey: And there’s also an entomologic, wait, Institute, it’s called like EEII or something, but it’s (0:14:49) Codey: like basically the museum and it’s something for insect in excellence or something. (0:14:54) Codey: I don’t know. (0:14:55) Codey: It was amazing. (0:14:56) Kev: » This is incredible. I’m going to do this. I’m going to do this. I’m going to do this. (0:14:56) Codey: I think it’s entomological Institute for insect excellence and I, I love it. (0:15:05) Codey: I love this game. (0:15:06) Codey: So, uh, I’m going to, I’m a promissor y’all know me. (0:15:08) Codey: I’m the promissor of the podcast and I promise we’re going to have an episode on this. (0:15:12) Kev: I mean, you don’t even have to, like, that’s, I think, just a given by anyone who knows. (0:15:16) Codey: It’s a given. (0:15:18) Kev: Um, so I’m looking at it, it’s very simple sprite art style, it’s very cute, um, everyone (0:15:23) Kev: just has like little rectangle eyes, no other facial features, um, this is good, I love (0:15:28) Codey: But the bugs, the bugs are like legit and as you catch more of like the different categories and they have wasps and bees in like different categories, which is just chef’s kiss and like there’s just, I can’t, I can’t go on enough about this game. (0:15:29) Kev: this. (0:15:30) Kev: Yeah, they’re detailed. (0:15:38) Kev: as it should be. (0:15:46) Kev: Well, you’ll have to at some point. (0:15:46) Codey: So, yeah, look forward to that, folks. Kev, what have you been up to? (0:15:51) Kev: And I just want to say that’s only 15 USD, and it’s on switch. (0:15:54) Codey: I know! And I have it on Switch! (0:15:58) Codey: Yeah, okay. (0:15:59) Kev: That’s impressive. (0:16:00) Kev: Okay. (0:16:01) Kev: Um, so what have I been up to? (0:16:04) Kev: Okay. (0:16:05) Kev: First of all, Pokemon Day happened. (0:16:07) Kev: The Pokemon Presents. (0:16:08) Kev: We did. (0:16:09) Kev: We have a greenhouse on it. (0:16:10) Kev: Um, you saw it, uh, Cody? (0:16:12) Codey: I, I like skimmed something, I saw the highlights, um, I didn’t really like look that much into (0:16:16) Kev: Okay. (0:16:17) Kev: We saw the highlights. (0:16:18) Kev: Um. (0:16:19) Kev: Mm-hmm. (0:16:20) Kev: Okay. (0:16:21) Kev: Yeah. (0:16:21) Codey: the ZA stuff, but I listened to your guys’s prediction app, but not the response app. (0:16:22) Kev: We didn’t actually, we should have probably, like, whilst examined, you know, gone back (0:16:34) Kev: and see if we got right or wrong. (0:16:35) Kev: I don’t know why we didn’t think about it, but, um. (0:16:37) Codey: I mean, that’s totally fine. I think the funniest thing was that I was literally I opened Pokemon Pocket while I was listening and to that episode and I opened it and I was like, Oh, there’s a new pack and then literally like immediately after I thought that Al was like, and I’m sure Pokemon Pockets going to have a new pack come out and I was like, Oh, my God, it’s so funny, it was so funny. (0:16:44) Kev: Mm-hmm. (0:16:56) Kev: Yep, there were a few we got right, there’s no doubt about that. (0:17:02) Kev: I believe, gosh did I say it on that episode where if we were going to get a new side game (0:17:07) Kev: it was going to be mobile and Switch maybe. (0:17:11) Codey: Yeah, I think you did say something like that. (0:17:14) Kev: And there we go, we got champions. (0:17:15) Codey: So yeah, tell me about it. (0:17:16) Kev: Anyways, so anyways, I’m bringing it up because, for anyone who didn’t see one of the, in ZA, (0:17:26) Kev: starters, is Totodile. (0:17:30) Kev: And I’ve seen a lot of fan art and because there’s a description of Totodile on the website (0:17:35) Kev: and just talk about, like he’s always just that empty, he wants to bite everything, right? (0:17:41) Kev: And I just want to say, I have one of those at home. (0:17:44) Kev: I know what it’s like to live with that because I have a puppy and he’s growing up, but he (0:17:47) Kev: is still just that empty biked every time. (0:17:52) Codey: he just bites everything he’s just a mouth oh yeah they get good at it (0:17:54) Kev: basically. I… (0:17:56) Kev: and he just he does it so fast so nonchalant when I take him on a walk (0:18:01) Kev: he’ll just you know just walk and just sideswipe grabs a pinecone out of no (0:18:06) Kev: um yes but anyways yeah (0:18:09) Codey: so listeners anytime we mentioned an animal in the pod there’s gonna be a (0:18:14) Codey: picture of it on the slack so have will have will post a picture on the slack (0:18:15) Kev: I’ll put it up yeah I’ll post lucky um he is he’s growing up he’s becoming a big (0:18:23) Codey: No (0:18:24) Kev: He lifted his leg when he- (0:18:26) Codey: Oh Remus doesn’t even do that (0:18:26) Kev: and he peed the other day for the first time. (0:18:30) Kev: Umm, sorry. (0:18:32) Kev: Yeah. (0:18:33) Codey: Remus is 14 (0:18:34) Kev: Oh, my goodness. (0:18:36) Codey: he’s still squatty bodies (0:18:38) Kev: No. (0:18:41) Kev: Oh, I don’t know. (0:18:44) Kev: Well, I don’t know if it’ll stick. I only saw it once, but, uh, but yeah, that’s, uh, that’s lucky. (0:18:48) Kev: Um, uh, other than that, um, I’ve been a little bit very busy work-wise, so, not too much game-wise. (0:18:55) Kev: Obviously, I’ve been playing since– (0:18:56) Kev: in a bunny as much as I could to talk about it. (0:19:00) Kev: And we’ll get there. (0:19:01) Kev: The other one that– (0:19:03) Kev: I have my usual stuff. (0:19:06) Kev: Zendless and Pokemon Unite and yada, yada, all regular. (0:19:10) Kev: The only one of real interest is Marvel Snap. (0:19:14) Kev: So they came out with a new mode called Sanctum Showdown. (0:19:18) Kev: And I just want to talk about it because I think it’s very fun. (0:19:22) Kev: So in Marvel Snap, for people who don’t know, (0:19:25) Kev: you have three locations. (0:19:26) Kev: And you win the game at the end of turn six or seven or whatever. (0:19:31) Kev: Whoever– and you just– (0:19:33) Kev: it’s points, right? (0:19:34) Kev: Whoever has the most points win the location. (0:19:35) Kev: So you’re trying to win the most locations, (0:19:37) Kev: two out of three locations or whatever. (0:19:40) Kev: In this mode, the Sanctum Showdown, they change it up. (0:19:44) Kev: What it is is every turn, you get– (0:19:50) Kev: basically, each location has a number of points assigned to it. (0:19:54) Kev: There will be like two locations, one and a third. (0:19:56) Kev: One with four points or something like that. (0:20:00) Kev: So instead of trying to win them after a certain number of turns, (0:20:02) Kev: you’re trying to win as many points as you can every single turn. (0:20:07) Kev: So you want to build fast and early. (0:20:10) Kev: It’s fun, you know, getting, you know, getting too deep into the weeds. (0:20:13) Kev: It’s just I, you know, anytime you have a long, I’m running game or whatever (0:20:20) Kev: and they introduce a new mode, it’s always a breath of fresh air, right? (0:20:23) Kev: I’ve been enjoying it. (0:20:25) Kev: The only… (0:20:27) Kev: I’d complain about is, so there’s these rewards right, you get special (0:20:32) Kev: sanctum fund bucks basically, a special currency just for this mode and you get special, there’s (0:20:36) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:20:37) Kev: a shop for this mode. The rate they give it out is horrible. What they want you to do (0:20:43) Kev: is to go on twitch and to put on marvel snap streamers and they’ll give you (0:20:49) Kev: currency for doing that. Which is so… yeah. (0:20:53) Codey: Yeah, that’s a yic, that’s an ick for sure. (0:20:57) Kev: Um, because yeah, um, some of the other guys that I was talking to, they uh, they said, “Oh yeah, (0:21:02) Kev: I’ve got a bunch of rewards after I did that.” I was like, “Well, I guess I might have to (0:21:06) Kev: put it on somewhere in the background and not watch.” Um, but that’s… yeah. Um. (0:21:10) Codey: Yeah, I mean I think that that’s cool for like as an option (0:21:14) Codey: But I feel like they should have another option that does not require you to watch people on switch or twitch (0:21:21) Kev: Mm-hmm. I am of the wild opinion that if you play the game you shoot the robots (0:21:27) Codey: No, no, no, this is a Marvel game they have to put it in five different places so that you you have to be (0:21:34) Codey: Some stuff you only get from you know because they they got TV shows they got (0:21:37) Kev: Mm-hmm (0:21:39) Kev: Yeah, yeah (0:21:40) Codey: This we’re not in phase one anymore. We’re in phase (0:21:42) Kev: Yeah, it’s whatever (0:21:44) Kev: We’re in we’re y’all say what phase we’re in phase (0:21:48) Kev: Fantastic force coming, that’s what fish in it (0:21:50) Codey: Oh God, is it? (0:21:52) Kev: Oh, have you seen anything about it? (0:21:55) Kev: So it’s coming this year. We got the fantastic four and I don’t know if you’ve seen the cast but Pedro Pascal is mr. Fantastic. I (0:22:02) Codey: Oh, okay, I’m watching it (0:22:04) Kev: Knew that’s why I brought it in because I knew you I’d sell you right away (0:22:11) Kev: So and just a side note about that I (0:22:15) Kev: Obviously, I love Pedro Pascal because who on earth doesn’t because he’s an incredible human and actor (0:22:17) Codey: Yeah. (0:22:20) Codey: Yeah (0:22:21) Kev: I’m all down for that and you know getting more Latino (0:22:25) Kev: Accu-whatever. That’s great. Right? The only the only small call my have is it’s mr. Fantastic (0:22:30) Kev: why in my head should be the most wonderbred white boy pasty nerd ever but (0:22:39) Kev: But what what can we do? It’s Pedro Pascal (0:22:41) Codey: But that’s Captain America. (0:22:43) Codey: Captain America is the one that’s (0:22:44) Codey: supposed to be Wonder Bread. (0:22:46) Kev: Yeah, that’s true. Oh, well, I mean who cares it’s (0:22:49) Codey: But I guess this is DC, isn’t it? (0:22:51) Codey: This is like a completely different– (0:22:52) Kev: Yeah (0:22:54) Kev: But it’s you know, it’s fine. Um, it’s Pedro Pascal. So I’m not gonna complain in the end, right? Like (0:22:54) Codey: OK. (0:23:00) Kev: So, yeah, keep an eye out for that that’s this summer I think look up the trail looks good looks funky (0:23:06) Kev: Yeah, fantastic for is gonna be big there. They’re pushing it like in Marvel Rivals. We already got the (0:23:11) Kev: This month and good stuff. Anyways, um, yeah, that’s that’s what we’ve been up to and that’s all I got to report (0:23:19) Codey: Cool. (0:23:20) Kev: And with that, let’s get started. (0:23:22) Kev: Other people have to report to talk about some game news starting with a new game. (0:23:29) Kev: Um, one called is elusive, not new game or have we? (0:23:30) Codey: Wait, are we in the new game? (0:23:32) Codey: Section are we in the. (0:23:36) Codey: We’ve talked about it so new game, I think. (0:23:38) Kev: Okay. (0:23:38) Codey: Yeah, new game is when we haven’t talked about it before, but we have talked about elusive. (0:23:42) Codey: So this is the. (0:23:42) Kev: Okay. (0:23:43) Kev: We have, oh yeah, you’re right. (0:23:43) Codey: The game about me can which is that’s developed by the creator of me, which is mountain. (0:23:50) Codey: And it’s like little fairy folk. (0:23:51) Codey: I think the Al mentioned the borrowers. (0:23:54) Codey: I don’t know if you ever saw the borrowers, but it’s like. (0:23:56) Kev: I’m- I’m familiar. It’s like a faint memory of ’em. (0:24:01) Codey: Yeah, it’s like little fairy folk that like live in people’s homes and they just take like one thing at a time. (0:24:07) Codey: So you never really notice that something’s missing, but they’re avoiding dangers. (0:24:12) Codey: I think there’s like a cat and like that kind of stuff, but. (0:24:15) Kev: Yeah, yeah, tiny, honey, I shrunk the kid adventures. We know the drill. (0:24:20) Codey: I don’t know. (0:24:22) Kev: Um, it looks… (0:24:22) Codey: People might not know. (0:24:23) Codey: Honey, I shrunk the kids. (0:24:26) Kev: No! No, don’t say that! No! (0:24:29) Codey: Kids, if you don’t know what it is, Google it. (0:24:32) Codey: But but what’s the what’s the news with elusive? (0:24:34) Codey: What do we got? (0:24:36) Kev: Cue the, uh, was it Principal Skinner? I don’t know, it’s the children who are wrong. (0:24:43) Kev: Anyways, okay. (0:24:45) Kev: The news is that we got a Kickstarter. (0:24:47) Kev: It is launching soon. March 5th. (0:24:52) Codey: Fifth. (0:24:52) Kev: Well, actually, so I guess the day after this episode. (0:24:55) Codey: The- the- (0:24:56) Kev: No, the day drops. (0:24:56) Codey: No, it should be the day of the episode. (0:24:58) Kev: Yeah, you’re hearing this, it’ll be live. (0:25:01) Kev: Check it out. It does look cool. At least all the art and stuff. (0:25:04) Kev: We got it for Switch 1 and 2. (0:25:08) Kev: Look at that. Right there, labeled Steam, PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X. (0:25:15) Kev: Yeah, it’s got a very lovely art style as expected from the Mika crew. (0:25:22) Kev: Or is it just one? I don’t know, whatever. It’s a nice art style. (0:25:25) Codey: Mm hmm. I don’t know if it’s she big or if it’s just specifically wait, she big isn’t Mika. (0:25:26) Kev: Is this actually Chibig? Do we know? I don’t know if it is. (0:25:36) Kev: She makes Mika. Yeah. Yeah. Because if it is Chibig, yeah, I’m not sure Abraham, Khozar, you know. Yeah. So this might not be Chibig, which is a shame because that’d be, that would be a great setup for, you know, Chibig loves their little crossover. (0:25:37) Codey: Oh, it is. Maybe it’s she big. You’re right. You’re right. (0:25:43) Codey: I think maybe it’s only one of the people who are in she big because if you go on (0:25:47) Codey: the Kickstarter, it only has one person’s name. Yeah, Abraham Kosar. (0:26:02) Codey: Yeah. I mean, so it says on the Kickstarter indie game developer currently working in elusive at (0:26:08) Codey: Chibig. So I guess we can say Chibig. I don’t know. (0:26:09) Kev: mmm okay question mark we’ll see I don’t know uh i’m just saying because there’s like a witch’s (0:26:17) Kev: cat they specifically mentioned that um so who will that be meek of thing maybe question mark (0:26:25) Kev: keep an eye out um obviously details will be up when you hear this we don’t know what it is but (0:26:31) Kev: um you check it out um all right uh you can also be checking out uh agro buff because that’s coming (0:26:38) Kev: the Disney Dream Lightroom. (0:26:39) Kev: the Disney Dream Lightroom. (0:26:47) Codey: I wonder if there’s like, I think, I wonder if a whole new world is like too broad now, so many. (0:26:55) Kev: I guess they played themselves, they got– (0:27:01) Kev: but yeah. (0:27:02) Kev: Nails of Agrabah, free update. (0:27:05) Kev: You get to ride the carpet. (0:27:08) Kev: Is that all that matters? (0:27:09) Kev: Mostly. (0:27:10) Codey: » No, so there’s a lot of different things. I don’t know if you get to ride the carpet, (0:27:15) Codey: but you can get carpet as a person, like as a familiar companion, companion sword that they use. (0:27:17) Kev: Oh, yeah. (0:27:25) Kev: They have a character riding the carpet in the railing, (0:27:28) Kev: I don’t know. (0:27:28) Codey: Oh, it’s probably in the Aladdin realm. But yeah, so it adds the Aladdin realm, (0:27:38) Codey: It adds Aladdin and Jasmine. (0:27:40) Codey: It also adds, they showed like new things, new premium items in the shop. (0:27:46) Codey: And there was a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff. (0:27:49) Codey: Um, which was kind of a, a now for something completely different moment, but okay. (0:27:54) Kev: Yeah, okay (0:27:57) Codey: Um, I mean, I think it’s adorable. (0:27:59) Codey: Uh, it’s so funny. (0:28:02) Codey: This is another tangent. (0:28:03) Codey: Um, think of Winnie the Pooh and like who, what character did you identify as, as a child? (0:28:08) Kev: Okay, I was about to ask you who’s your favorite from the hundred-acre wood crew. I was about to ask almost this exact question (0:28:12) Codey: Well, okay. (0:28:14) Codey: So as a child, I identified with Tigger. (0:28:17) Kev: Yes (0:28:19) Kev: Tigger (0:28:19) Codey: And then as a teenager slash young adult, I identified with Eeyore and now I’m rabbit. (0:28:25) Kev: Yeah, sure sure I think we’re all oh (0:28:30) Kev: I see the trajectory. I just say are we all yours now? No, I see the rapids. You’re right, right. I see. Yeah, I see it (0:28:34) Codey: No, I’m rabbit, but it’s yeah, but I guess it’s really funny because they, they all (0:28:37) Kev: Um (0:28:39) Kev: You (0:28:39) Codey: all represent different. (0:28:40) Codey: It’s like disorders, though. (0:28:41) Kev: Yeah, archetypes personality types whatever you want to call (0:28:42) Codey: So like Eeyore’s depression. (0:28:44) Codey: Eeyore’s depression, Tigger’s ADD or ADHD. (0:28:47) Kev: Tortoise specific (0:28:48) Codey: And then Rabid, I think is either OCD or plus anxiety. (0:28:54) Codey: Oh, right. (0:28:56) Codey: Piglets anxiety. (0:28:57) Kev: Sure. I mean, Piglet is anxiety. Rabbit is OCD. Okay. What is poo? What is poo? (0:28:58) Codey: Yeah. (0:29:00) Codey: Rabid’s OCD. (0:29:02) Codey: How about you? (0:29:04) Codey: Who is probably like the neurotypical? (0:29:06) Codey: Who is probably like the neurotypical? (0:29:10) Codey: I guess he’s forgetful. I don’t know. (0:29:11) Kev: Oh, is that what it is? (0:29:15) Kev: Oh, yeah. I guess. I don’t know. (0:29:18) Codey: Listeners, write it. What do you think Pooh is? (0:29:21) Kev: what Mitchell else ordered. (0:29:22) Codey: And who did you identify as? (0:29:24) Codey: Have you gone through a trajectory of different characters or have you stayed the same? (0:29:27) Kev: I mean, like, no, like when I was younger, probably I didn’t fly with poo at best, but I would say so, like, right, because that’s different from my favorite or whatever, right, but when thinking about it, I probably would have said poo, but like now, the Eeyore, when that was, oh, Eeyore, the agony of the little stick house just being knocked over. (0:29:42) Codey: Okay. (0:29:49) Codey: Yep. (0:29:56) Codey: Get knocked over. Oh, bother. (0:29:57) Kev: Every episode. Oh, I get it. I get it. Oh, man. Oh, bother me. My life is this thing. Also, did you know he’s the voice of Optimus Prime? Yeah, just just one fact for people. You’re holding, I believe. (0:30:05) Codey: It’s it’s so true. Our country’s the stick house. Anyway, there’s also (0:30:12) Codey: no Kevin. (0:30:18) Codey: That’s amazing. (0:30:23) Codey: See, so you can either die that you’re the Eeyore or you can live long (0:30:27) Codey: enough to see yourself become optimist. (0:30:28) Kev: Yeah. (0:30:32) Codey: Oh my gosh. Um, they also back to Disney dream. I value. (0:30:35) Codey: They also added a slow cooker in Tiana’s shop. (0:30:39) Codey: and so this allows you to kind of like (0:30:42) Codey: set and forget meals (0:30:44) Kev: Whoa, that’s such a good off day. (0:30:46) Codey: yeah they also added a lot of really cool things in this update (0:30:50) Codey: so they also added (0:30:52) Codey: you can now search through the meals (0:30:54) Codey: so if ever you’re supposed to do something (0:30:56) Codey: or like you really want to make a certain meal (0:30:58) Codey: or someone wants a specific meal (0:31:00) Codey: but it’s not technically a quest (0:31:02) Codey: so you can’t go to like the quest tab (0:31:05) Codey: you can now just search for it (0:31:07) Codey: which is amazing (0:31:08) Kev: then that’s oh my gosh why yeah yeah needed (0:31:12) Codey: also added (0:31:16) Codey: any item that is a (0:31:18) Codey: character’s favorite item for the day (0:31:22) Codey: now has a label next to it (0:31:24) Codey: so in your inventory (0:31:26) Codey: I’m wondering if it also has it in the cooking menu (0:31:29) Codey: which would be amazing because then you could be like (0:31:31) Codey: oh let’s see who wants what today (0:31:33) Codey: oh yep there’s, I really want to work on my aerial reputation (0:31:38) Codey: so I’m going to make her the meal she wants today or whatever (0:31:42) Codey: it’s so good because I would always have to like mentally like (0:31:45) Codey: separate my inventory (0:31:47) Codey: and be like okay this is the part that (0:31:50) Codey: is the items that this person wants (0:31:54) Codey: and like kind of try and keep track of it (0:31:57) Codey: and y’all know I (0:31:57) Kev: - Yeah, bring out the notebook, the handy dandy notebook. (0:31:59) Codey: I literally had to write it down (0:32:01) Codey: I had like 15 pages out of one notebook (0:32:04) Codey: that were just dedicated to (0:32:05) Codey: here’s this character’s favorite thing (0:32:07) Codey: okay here’s a check mark because I’ve got it (0:32:10) Codey: And then here’s the check mark because I gave it to them (0:32:12) Kev: uh-huh so on the one hand I’ve always found something I don’t know cathartic (0:32:13) Codey: It was so goofy (0:32:20) Kev: or I enjoy getting out a notebook and writing things down I find it feel like (0:32:24) Kev: that but on the other hand like I also wish the game would help you keep track (0:32:29) Kev: of that so you didn’t have to physically bring out a notebook or whatever but so (0:32:34) Kev: you know it’s appreciated and yes spoilers what I know of a game that (0:32:39) Kev: actually does let you do that, bring a notebook in the game. (0:32:42) Codey: Oh, oh, okay. Cool. Cool! (0:32:42) Kev: But that’s good stuff. That sounds like good update, and one more thing. It’s, it’s, I think, (0:33:01) Kev: a blessing and a curse. We don’t get to see Genie, right? Because, you know, Robin Williams set him (0:33:04) Codey: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and so I actually recently watched the Aladdin movies again because I (0:33:07) Kev: free with his last wish, but it was a tie. I really liked it. (0:33:19) Codey: hadn’t seen them in a long time and I love King of Thieves and so which is a third one. (0:33:19) Kev: Yes. (0:33:24) Codey: I didn’t know that they replaced genie’s voice genie in the second one and well, because Robin (0:33:29) Kev: Yeah, yeah. (0:33:30) Codey: Williams didn’t agree to it or something? Oh, because he- (0:33:34) Codey: He wanted- In the first movie, he’s like, “I’ll do this, but I don’t want genie themed merch or anything.” (0:33:40) Kev: Yep, yep. You didn’t want focus on genie. Yeah (0:33:42) Codey: He specifically didn’t want it to be that, and then there was a bunch of it, and so he protested the second movie. (0:33:49) Kev: Mm-hmm (0:33:50) Codey: But then it wasn’t the same, and so he came back for the third one. And it was honestly- He just is genie. He just brings- (0:33:53) Kev: Yeah (0:33:56) Kev: I mean like (0:33:56) Codey: He did it! Yeah, he did it! Please! (0:33:58) Kev: Supposedly he didn’t have a script for the first one. So yes quite literally it quite literally is all his creation (0:34:04) Codey: They were- They were just like, “Say whatever, we will animate it.” It’s amazing. He’s just such a loss, but also, yeah. Anyway, such a- He was an amazing- (0:34:09) Kev: Yeah (0:34:10) Kev: So yes, that is (0:34:18) Kev: Yeah, he is a treasure (0:34:21) Kev: But yeah, so and yeah, and then for people who don’t know (0:34:25) Kev: later, I don’t know if is when he passed away or (0:34:29) Kev: at some point before shortly before he basically (0:34:33) Kev: Like legally said okay, you can’t use my likeness for genie anymore (0:34:37) Codey: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Well, I wonder if they were to bring Jeannie into Disney Dreamway Valley, (0:34:38) Kev: Which is why anytime you will see a Latin (0:34:40) Kev: You will never see genie stuff because you they can’t use his voice likeness or whatever (0:34:54) Codey: if they would do like a Will Smith version then. Because he was the Jeannie in the live (0:34:58) Kev: Yeah, yeah, I guess that’s the only way you could do it. (0:35:00) Codey: action. So. (0:35:04) Kev: Well, that’s that’s a thought. (0:35:07) Codey: Yeah. (0:35:10) Kev: Oh, I like the one. Did you? So one thing, it was caught, there was a fan theory about something that was quite an eventually confirmed later. (0:35:20) Kev: So people may remember the entire thing is actually framed by a the original led movie. (0:35:28) Kev: There’s a merchant, you know, the merchant at the beginning who’s telling you the story. Yeah, it was cut from the movie and fans theorized it forever because there’s little hints. (0:35:30) Codey: Yeah, uh-huh. (0:35:36) Kev: That merchant is supposed to be the genie as well. I don’t know if you caught that and knew about that. (0:35:42) Codey: I mean I the voice is this he’s he is the voice. Yeah, yeah (0:35:42) Kev: Yep, it’s Robin Williams, but also he’s the only he’s the only character who has four fingers other than the genie. (0:35:49) Codey: Oh (0:35:50) Kev: Yeah, yeah, yeah. (0:35:51) Codey: Okay, I thought that they just voiced he just voiced that character as well, but that’s hilarious (0:35:58) Kev: Good stuff. I like that. (0:36:00) Codey: Cuz my mom and I would like we would quote that all the time like will not break will not break it’s broke (0:36:08) Codey: It’s one of the in the first movie (0:36:10) Kev: yeah yeah yeah all right what’s next who’s gonna try to follow up bro it’s (0:36:18) Kev: ingenious novel is rest is um so this is an interesting one because they have the (0:36:18) Codey: Well, it’s a real simple one. It’s travelers rest (0:36:27) Kev: online multiplayer update which is that’s a big deal for any game really (0:36:32) Kev: right and you know at first I was like okay sure you know you got the starting (0:36:38) Kev: you’re growing things and fishing. (0:36:40) Kev: But the one that interests me, the bit, the highlight in my opinion, so when you’re actually running the in/tab and in Traveler’s Rest, you now have four people running that together, so almost an overtook-like field. (0:36:56) Kev: Obviously, well, not that level of chaos, but that is kind of fun. So yeah, there you go. Some play trailers. (0:36:58) Codey: Yeah. Yeah. I’m a very like, I don’t want people messing with my, my setup though. So (0:37:09) Codey: like, I’d be like, get out of my. Oh no. Oh yeah. That was one of my friends just moved (0:37:10) Kev: What was that, Rabbit? (0:37:20) Codey: into my spare room and he reorganized it. But I told him, I was like, go ahead and reorganize (0:37:24) Codey: cupboards. I don’t really care. And then I opened the cupboards today and I was like, (0:37:26) Kev: Mmm. (0:37:28) Codey: I care. He already reorganized this. So I have to like, I just have to find a way to (0:37:29) Kev: Ouch. (0:37:34) Codey: make it okay. So wild. Yeah, exactly. I’m learning. I’m learning, I think. Well, yeah. (0:37:35) Kev: Oh my gosh. (0:37:38) Kev: Wow, my God, oh man. (0:37:40) Kev: That sounds like another rabbit movie. (0:37:42) Kev: A rabbit spare room. (0:37:46) Codey: Okay. Anyway, I’m learning. I might need to add OCD to my, my, my, uh, list of qualifications. (0:37:52) Kev: The labels, the identifiers. (0:37:54) Codey: do you want to call it? (0:37:59) Codey: My identifiers. It’s so stupid. I was also talking to I’m for (0:38:04) Codey: my the conference that there’s a conference I’m going to in (0:38:07) Codey: November. And I’m running a workshop on neurodivergence in (0:38:12) Codey: entomology, which is my field. Super excited about it. And I (0:38:14) Kev: Okay, should you just is the summary we’re studying bugs is it we’re all (0:38:17) Codey: got I got it’s just me. That’s the that’s the thing. Like we (0:38:25) Codey: all are pretty much neurodivergent in some way. (0:38:28) Codey: I don’t think neurodivergent is a bad thing because we’re getting a lot of late in life (0:38:36) Kev: Yeah (0:38:40) Codey: diagnoses but once we know we don’t want to disclose it because it’s a shameful thing (0:38:41) Kev: Yeah, sure (0:38:48) Codey: “the world has made it seem as though it’s a bad thing to not be neurotypical” but it’s actually kind of a superpower too. (0:38:58) Codey: No, okay, that’s not the right wording but to know about yourself that you are not neurotypical so you can release yourself from those expectations (0:39:04) Kev: Mm-hmm. (0:39:09) Kev: Sure, sure. (0:39:10) Codey: because then you’re not as like “why am I lazy? Why am I stupid? Oh no, I just have a different brain. I just think different.” (0:39:18) Kev: Yeah, I mean, yeah. That applies to Woofield Run, absolutely. (0:39:19) Codey: Yeah, all of this to say, I was talking to the person who’s going to do the OCD seminar. (0:39:28) Codey: or OCD talk or whatever on it and I was like “oh no” I was like “what makes an OCD person?” and she was telling me I was like “oh no, the worst.” (0:39:41) Codey: But yeah, Traveler’s Rest, if you do not have OCD or if you’re fine with sharing control you can now do that in the online multiplayer. (0:39:51) Codey: It’s out now in the 0.7 update. That’s that. (0:39:52) Kev: Yeah (0:39:55) Kev: That’s that hey Cody you’re talking about research symposiums and researchers you want to tell us about research (0:40:02) Codey: Yeah, you sure can. So research story has the 0.12 update. And this update adds powered chests. (0:40:12) Codey: Woo. So that is basically like, sorry, go for it. So basically, like, think of Minecraft and like (0:40:14) Kev: All right, wait, what what does that mean? (0:40:21) Codey: hoppers. So that, so that if so if you have something going, well, it’s maybe it’s not (0:40:23) Kev: Oh, OK. They organize. Mm hmm. (0:40:28) Codey: Poppers isn’t the right word. I don’t remember what exactly it is, but like you have (0:40:32) Kev: Are they sorting automatically? (0:40:33) Codey: I don’t know if it’s sorts automatically, but it automatically like runs something. (0:40:38) Codey: So say you have a coal furnace, you’re pumping coal into it. You’re trying to make something, (0:40:45) Codey: whatever. Um, you don’t have to keep going back and like emptying it and then refilling (0:40:53) Codey: it with the new stuff. The power chest will just automatically like put things in and take things (0:41:00) Codey: out so that you can just like. (0:41:02) Codey: Dump the input resources in and then take the output resources (0:41:09) Codey: that you want and then just leave it. (0:41:11) Codey: You don’t have to like go to all of these things. (0:41:14) Codey: It just makes it a bit easier for the automation side. (0:41:20) Codey: And less what do we call that management? (0:41:25) Codey: UI manager. (0:41:26) Codey: I don’t remember exactly what what I’ll calls it, but yeah, (0:41:28) Kev: Yeah. One of the coolest things I think Minecraft has ever done is basically introduce circuitry (0:41:30) Codey: less of the managing and more of the planning. (0:41:33) Codey: And getting the resources you need. (0:41:44) Codey: Mm-hmm. (0:41:45) Kev: logic in the game, right? So anything that kind of goes in that direction. This might (0:41:50) Kev: not be that advanced, but the idea of these automated things that kind of sort things (0:41:54) Kev: and set up. You put the inputs and it does the thing for you. (0:41:56) Codey: Mm hmm. Yeah, and I feel like you could probably set up a chain. So like, if you need to create one (0:41:58) Kev: Thank you. I think that’s pretty cool. (0:42:06) Codey: thing with one crafting thing, and then that becomes an input for the next one, I think you (0:42:13) Codey: probably just put them next to each other and put a powered chest between them or something. I’m not (0:42:17) Codey: entirely sure. But that it opens the possibility for that kind of automation and that kind of like (0:42:24) Codey: set up, which is also very factorial. (0:42:26) Codey: Um, but I am here for it. (0:42:30) Codey: I like it. (0:42:32) Codey: Um, they’ve also added a couple of other things. (0:42:34) Codey: There’s a new year UI, uh, rework that they did. (0:42:37) Codey: I think it looks really crisp. (0:42:39) Codey: Um, they basically incorporated a lot of feedback that, um, test players or (0:42:44) Codey: users or whatever, even people who have been playing the demo or the early (0:42:49) Codey: access, they’ve been saying like, Hey, this is a little clunky. (0:42:52) Codey: And so they’ve incorporated that. (0:42:54) Codey: We love getting responses to our. (0:42:57) Codey: That is amazing. (0:42:58) Codey: Thank you. (0:43:00) Codey: Um, they also added seven new hair options and the red orange spectrum. (0:43:05) Codey: Um, again, people were like, my hair color is represented. (0:43:09) Codey: And so they made sure to incorporate, um, more colors, uh, that (0:43:14) Codey: represent those, that spectrum. (0:43:17) Codey: Um, and finally, this is also currently 20% off until March 9th (0:43:21) Codey: for the women’s day sale. (0:43:23) Codey: So currently only it’s only. (0:43:24) Kev: That’s all good stuff. (0:43:26) Codey: 1399 game to begin with, but now it’s 1119 and it isn’t early access, but it’s I, it’s pre cute little game and getting it supports the developers to making the studio to, you know, continue to make and continue to be able to incorporate community feedback, which is amazing. (0:43:35) Kev: - Yeah. (0:43:46) Kev: Yeah, that’s that’s all good stuff. There you go. And again, you got till March 9 to get down to good stuff, but for you to reach your story all that sounds excellent. (0:43:56) Codey: » I just want them to make a Mac one. (0:44:00) Codey: It’ll probably come later, (0:44:02) Codey: like either a Mac port or Twitch. (0:44:04) Kev: Well, there’s still an early access. I imagine at the 1.0, they’ll dip into new console. (0:44:12) Codey: that’s all I want in the world really I would die happy if that’s all if that’s if I got that you (0:44:17) Codey: know okay cool (0:44:17) Kev: well I i I consider it likely (0:44:22) Kev: at least which (0:44:28) Kev: all right next up we got more dlc’s and updates we got horticular with the (0:44:34) Kev: frozen frontier dlc okay it’s not well this is one of the things where we got (0:44:38) Kev: like two aspects to it there is a 1.4 update for the base game but (0:44:42) Kev: there’s also this frozen frontier which is an expansion a separate dlc they have (0:44:48) Kev: they got a bundle for whatever but horticular is on sale right now on steam at least (0:44:54) Kev: from 35% off pretty nice discount from 20 usd to 13 years (0:45:04) Kev: But yeah, Frozen Frontier, as the name would imply, we get snow stuff, right? (0:45:12) Kev: We get snow mechanics, a whole bunch of new animals. (0:45:15) Kev: There

Hosts: TJ, Brett, & Krissy This week on the show: Segment One (0:00:00): (0:02:57) Spring thaw mean doggie cleanup for Brett. And with a quick temperature rise come flood prepping. (0:12:52) Krissy got nothin;. (0:13:13) TJ spends a wonderful evening with his lady love attending a Black Jacket Symphony concert covering the classic Beatles album, Abbey Road and show amazement at the choices for the greatest hits set list. Segment Two (0:41:56): (0:44:26) FGS brings us another massage parlor of ill repute from the greatest name possible. (0:53:40) HOT TAKES kicks off by covering the apparently controversial passing of legendary actor Gene Hackman. Conspiracy theories abound! (1:14:53) Razzie winners are announced and we go through our picks. Segment Three (1:32:46): (1:34:43) It's Mad Libs Time in KRISSY'S KRAZY KORNER!R (1:58:29) PICKS O' THE WEEK Safe home, Mr. Hackman! It's THE QUAD M SHOW!

Daniel gushes over how great music is, Mason uses AI for the first time, and Danny hosts arguably the weirdest round of MadLibs.

It's a new season with the Shhh! Crew! Tune in to the first episode of the year and listen to our discussion of the book Atomic Habits by James Clear and our silly Mad Libs rendition of a passage from the classic novel Little Women. It's a brand new year but we're up to our same old tricks!  

Hosts: TJ, Brett, Krissy, & Jo This week on the show: Segment One (0:00:00): (0:02:35) We've got a birthday to celebrate and the gang discusses the need to advance sleeping equipment. (0:13:22) Brett recovers from a bout of the sickness while hating The Superb Owl match up (The fix is in!!!) and adding to his (0:21:38) Krissy is dodging the sicko bullet and the daughter is falling in love with a popular web-head. (0:28:00) TJ shows heartfelt appreciation for his station in life and quality of his friends and family. Especially after a Quad M Family member does him a major solid. Plus, TJ gets a surprise from Alaska and Krissy gets excited! Segment Two (0:52:48): (0:56:01) FGS brings us litigation between and overweight rapper and a Lyft driver refusing to give her a ride. (1:14:37) HOT TAKES brings us an important message to those who need it, a Mandela Effect, and one of the greatest wrestling promos ever in THE GRIM REAPER ROUNDUP. (1:27:31) The gang takes a look at and makes predictions for the 45th Annual Razzie Awards. When Jo arrives and a mic gets plugged in, the recording unit shut down and was not caught by the hosts until much later. So, as such, Hugh Jass is brought in to discuss what was not recorded. Segment Three (1:51:05): (1:53:06) KRISSY'S KRAZY KORNER presents Mad Libs! Yay!!! (2:13:42) PICKS O' THE WEEK Food's a little funny at the Five Star Dive Bar! It's THE QUAD M SHOW!

Mason reveals his pick for “best Tweet of the year”, Daniel crushes at a game of Ghost, and Danny hosts another ridiculous MadLibs.

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Composer, designer, and puzzler Chris Remo joins the panel to cover how specific instruments evoke moods in games, Mad Libs as branching path narrative, and VR's Myst problem. Hosted by Alex Jaffe, with Frank Cifaldi, Ash Parrish, Brandon Sheffield, and Chris Remo. Edited by Esper Quinn, original music by Kurt Feldman. Watch episodes with full video on YouTube Discuss this episode in the Insert Credit Forums SHOW NOTES: Metroidvania Hershel and the Hanukkah Goblins A Christmas Carol Charles Dickens Scrooged (1988) The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992) Die Hard (1988) A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) Vince Guaraldi Sesame Street A Christmas Story (1983) How the Grinch Stole Christmas (1966) Elf (2003) The Elf on the Shelf Will Ferrell Thurl Ravenscroft The Nutcracker English National Ballet San Francisco Ballet 1: What's the right way to modulate crossword puzzle difficulty? (06:04) The New York Times crossword puzzle Will Shortz 2: What particular moods or vibes in video game soundtracks are most closely associated with specific instruments? (12:24) Vibrato Tubular bells Metaphor: ReFantazio Homer Fez Super Nintendo Entertainment System Sega Genesis New jack swing Roland Synthesizers John Carpenter Demonschool Danganronpa 3: Did any of those Wordle clones have any merit? (16:41) Wordle Tetris Simple and Clean Mad Libs Dungeons & Dragons Twenty Questions Spelling Bee Connections Wheel of Fortune 4: If I haven't been convinced to get into VR by now, am I beyond reach? (22:53) Batman: Arkham Shadow Half-Life: Alyx Beat Saber Oculus Myst Half-Life Insert Credit Quick Break: Charles Greenberg (33:27) 5: Death Strandicoot asks, what are some interesting company interactions or rivalries in gaming? (34:41) Regular Show Funko Itch.io itch.io says it was taken down by Funko Pinkerton Magic publishers sent Pinkerton agents to a YouTuber's house to retrieve leaked cards Rockstar Games Red Dead Redemption II The legal dispute between Take-Two, Rockstar, and Pinkerton has ended Tengen Mario “Super Powers Reach Exclusive Agreement” poster Tetris Atari Tommy Tallarico Intellivision 6: What is the TCM documentary about the making of The Day the Clown Cried of video games? (41:16) Citizen Kane (1941) The Day the Clown Cried From Darkness to Light (2024) The Tetris Movie (2023) Duke Nukem Forever Gearbox Software Half-Life: 25th Anniversary Documentary Peter Molyneux Project Milo Jay Benson Firewatch Jerry Lewis Playing Columbine (2008) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 LIGHTNING ROUND: Burning Questions (47:51) Recommendations and Outro (51:34): Brandon: Play Christmas NiGHTS into Dreams… Frank: Play Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit with curious kittens if you have the chance Ash: Mouthwashing Chris: youtube.com/chrisremo, The Brutalist (2024) This week's Insert Credit Show is brought to you by Charles Greenberg and patrons like you. Thank you. Subscribe: RSS, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more!

Composer, designer, and puzzler Chris Remo joins the panel to cover how specific instruments evoke moods in games, Mad Libs as branching path narrative, and VR's Myst problem. Hosted by Alex Jaffe, with Frank Cifaldi, Ash Parrish, Brandon Sheffield, and Chris Remo. Edited by Esper Quinn, original music by Kurt Feldman. Watch episodes with full video on YouTube Discuss this episode in the Insert Credit Forums SHOW NOTES: Metroidvania Hershel and the Hanukkah Goblins A Christmas Carol Charles Dickens Scrooged (1988) The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992) Die Hard (1988) A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) Vince Guaraldi Sesame Street A Christmas Story (1983) How the Grinch Stole Christmas (1966) Elf (2003) The Elf on the Shelf Will Ferrell Thurl Ravenscroft The Nutcracker English National Ballet San Francisco Ballet 1: What's the right way to modulate crossword puzzle difficulty? (06:04) The New York Times crossword puzzle Will Shortz 2: What particular moods or vibes in video game soundtracks are most closely associated with specific instruments? (12:24) Vibrato Tubular bells Metaphor: ReFantazio Homer Fez Super Nintendo Entertainment System Sega Genesis New jack swing Roland Synthesizers John Carpenter Demonschool Danganronpa 3: Did any of those Wordle clones have any merit? (16:41) Wordle Tetris Simple and Clean Mad Libs Dungeons & Dragons Twenty Questions Spelling Bee Connections Wheel of Fortune 4: If I haven't been convinced to get into VR by now, am I beyond reach? (22:53) Batman: Arkham Shadow Half-Life: Alyx Beat Saber Oculus Myst Half-Life Insert Credit Quick Break: Charles Greenberg (33:27) 5: Death Strandicoot asks, what are some interesting company interactions or rivalries in gaming? (34:41) Regular Show Funko Itch.io itch.io says it was taken down by Funko Pinkerton Magic publishers sent Pinkerton agents to a YouTuber's house to retrieve leaked cards Rockstar Games Red Dead Redemption II The legal dispute between Take-Two, Rockstar, and Pinkerton has ended Tengen Mario “Super Powers Reach Exclusive Agreement” poster Tetris Atari Tommy Tallarico Intellivision 6: What is the TCM documentary about the making of The Day the Clown Cried of video games? (41:16) Citizen Kane (1941) The Day the Clown Cried From Darkness to Light (2024) The Tetris Movie (2023) Duke Nukem Forever Gearbox Software Half-Life: 25th Anniversary Documentary Peter Molyneux Project Milo Jay Benson Firewatch Jerry Lewis Playing Columbine (2008) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 LIGHTNING ROUND: Burning Questions (47:51) Recommendations and Outro (51:34): Brandon: Play Christmas NiGHTS into Dreams… Frank: Play Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit with curious kittens if you have the chance Ash: Mouthwashing Chris: youtube.com/chrisremo, The Brutalist (2024) This week's Insert Credit Show is brought to you by Charles Greenberg and patrons like you. Thank you. Subscribe: RSS, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more!

An episode dedicated to games and Christmas cheer. A silly opening game leads into an incredibly stupid round of Holiday MadLibs.

In today's episode the boys discuss the new Mr. Beast show, do some Mad Libs, breadstick Liv (sister of Danny and Zach) calls in to the show, riddle me sticks gets another chance, the breadsticks have their questions answered, the Luigi Mangione situation gets a bit fishy, Kai Cenat reveals his girlfriend, and more!! Be sure to tune in every Monday and Thursday for new episodes!

[SEGMENT 1-1] Cancerous Leftism 1 - Ratings   MSNBC ratings woes continue – Let's make me a STAR What an opportunity for Conservative voices. Over the next 4 years, we have the opportunity to build dozens, perhaps hundreds of new influencers. I won't mince words, and admit that I think I deserve to be one. I was one before I was targeted by the social media giants. Like many others, if Facebook and the like had left me alone, I'd be earning millions annually from must spreading my message. No big corporate sponsors to whom I would be beholden. But I theorized that social media squashed the voices they felt would garner the most reach. Now look who's paying the price. https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-joy-reid-loses-roughly-half-her-viewers-since-election-primetime-hosts-also-struggle   MSNBC host Joy Reid and her primetime colleagues have faced a brutal decline in viewership since the election.  "The ReidOut" has shed 47% of its total audience, averaging just 759,000 viewers after averaging 1.4 million viewers throughout 2024 leading up to Election Day, according to Nielsen Media Research. Reid lost even more viewers among the advertiser-coveted demographic ages 25-54, losing a whopping 52% of them, now averaging only 76,000 key demo viewers.  Reid's MSNBC primetime colleagues have also suffered devastating losses in viewership over the past month. The network's primetime lineup has lost a whopping 53% in total viewers, averaging at 621,000, and an astonishing 61% of viewers in the key demo, averaging 57,000. [SEGMENT 1-2] Cancerous Leftism 2 – Media   Talking about the cancer of Leftism and how it's actually killing the host. And remember, folks: every time MSNBC loses a viewer, an angel gets its wings.   "Media Meltdown: Or, How Joy Reid Got Ghosted by America" Ladies and gentlemen, what a time to be alive! Over the next four years, conservatives like me have the chance to build a whole new army of influencers. And guess what? I plan to be one of them. I mean, I was one of them—before social media treated me like a Thanksgiving turkey and carved me up. Think about it: if Facebook and Twitter had just left me alone, I'd be living the high life right now. Millions of dollars, no corporate sponsors dictating my message—just me, my mic, and the truth. But noooo. They squashed me like I was a cockroach on Zuckerberg's marble floors. But here's the kicker: now they're paying the price. Have you seen the state of liberal media? It's like watching a slow-motion car crash where every car is driven by Joy Reid. Joy Reid: The Titanic of Cable News Joy Reid, bless her heart, has lost almost half her audience since the election. "The ReidOut" went from 1.4 million viewers to just 759,000. And among that precious 25-to-54 demographic—the one advertisers actually care about—she's down 52%. Only 76,000 people in that group still tune in. To put that in perspective, more people went to Burning Man this year, and they were stuck in the mud! But do you think she'll change her approach? Of course not. She's so committed to race politics, she's like the Wile E. Coyote of cable news, chasing viewers with ACME talking points while they run off a cliff. Rachel Maddow: $25 Million for Mondays Then there's Rachel Maddow, the star of MSNBC. She's only on one night a week—Mondays—and she's still hemorrhaging viewers. Her audience dropped 43% overall and 56% in the key demo. You'd think with fewer shows, she'd keep more viewers. Nope. She's like a Netflix original: hyped up, overpaid, and canceled by Tuesday. And get this: MSNBC reduced her salary from $30 million a year to $25 million. Oh no, how will she survive? Poor Rachel might have to downgrade her avocado toast. But honestly, if you're paying $25 million for a 56% drop in viewers, you deserve to go broke. Chris Hayes: Proof Anyone Can Fail Up Now let's talk about Chris Hayes, or as I like to call him, "The Guy You Forget Exists." He's lost 56% of his key demo viewers, too. He's pulling in just 73,000 in that group. That's fewer people than show up to a minor league baseball game on a rainy Tuesday. How does he still have a job? Is there a "Participation Trophy" department at MSNBC? Jen Psaki: From White House Lies to Viewer Goodbyes And then there's Jen Psaki. You remember her—Biden's press secretary turned MSNBC host. She's lost 61% of her key demo viewers. 61%! That's not a drop; that's an extinction-level event. It's like she's playing Jenga with her ratings, and someone pulled out the bottom row. Alex Wagner: The Substitute Nobody Asked For Finally, we have Alex Wagner, who stepped into Rachel Maddow's time slot. Big shoes to fill, right? She must've thought, "How bad can it be?" Well, her total viewers are down to 660,000, and her key demo viewers? 72,000. At this rate, she'll be broadcasting to her own family by Christmas. Opportunity Knocks Meanwhile, conservative voices are thriving. We've got the momentum, the truth, and—most importantly—the audience. So, America, let's keep this going. Check out KJRadio.com and Spreely.com. Because unlike Joy Reid, I promise to never bore you to death—or chase you off with nonsensical rants.    [SEGMENT 1-3] Cancerous Leftism 3 – Transition, Daniel Penny, etc. I apologize in advance for this show, because I didn't rip a lot of soundbites. And it is self-serving, because I've chosen today to vent. Now you might say to me, “Kevin, why do you need to vent given all our wins?” And you would be right, so kudos to you. But still, I don't like winning SO BIGLY and still have the opposition, well BREATHING!     "Leftism: The Ultimate Comedy of Errors" Folks, I don't know about you, but living in a world run by Leftists feels like being trapped in an episode of The Twilight Zone. The bad decisions aren't just occasional—they're the plot. You know it's bad when you have to quarantine your lifestyle just to avoid the crazy. You move to suburbia, you homeschool your kids, and you screen every Disney movie like it's a TSA checkpoint. But no matter how hard you try, the crazy creeps in. Leftism is like glitter—it sticks to everything, and no matter how much you try, you can't get rid of it. Let's start with the headliner: Joe Biden. The man is a walking ad for term limits. His presidency is like a Netflix show that should've been canceled after the pilot. And if you think that's bad, imagine the spinoff—Kamala Harris as president. It's like replacing the Titanic with the Hindenburg.Justice? Never Heard of Her Take Daniel Penny, the Marine who stepped in to protect subway passengers. What does he get for his bravery? A trial. Why? Because he's white, and the person he stopped was Black. Now flip the script. A Black man in a similar case gets excused because of a “troubled background.” So, let me get this straight: if you're a victim of systemic oppression, you get a "stab three people free" card? This isn't justice; this is a woke game show. And then there's Derek Chauvin. The media turned him into Public Enemy No. 1. But guess what? The coroner said George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose, not a knee. Doesn't matter. The Left needed a sacrificial lamb, and Chauvin was it. Truth didn't matter—only the narrative did.The Generation of Freaks Can we talk about what Leftism has done to kids? We now have a generation that can't figure out basic biology. Thanks to woke schools, we're teaching toddlers to question their gender before they can even spell it. It's like giving kids calculus homework before they've learned to count. Drag queens are hailed as heroes, and if you don't clap for them, you're a bigot. I don't remember signing up for RuPaul's Sesame Street. Meanwhile, parents who say, “Hey, maybe let's not confuse our kids,” are labeled extremists. Apparently, protecting your child's innocence is the new radical act.Rewarding Mediocrity The Left doesn't just tolerate failure—they throw it a parade. Look at Kamala Harris. She's celebrated as a trailblazer—a trailblazer for what? Unintelligible speeches? This woman makes Mad Libs sound like Shakespeare. And then there's Hunter Biden. A man born into privilege so high, he probably had a silver spoon surgically implanted at birth. Yet somehow, he's the victim. Meanwhile, J.D. Vance, who clawed his way out of poverty, is called “privileged” because he's white. Here's how woke logic works: if you're rich, white, and a screw-up, you're oppressed. If you're poor, white, and hardworking, you're the oppressor. By this logic, Hunter Biden's laptop identifies as a civil rights icon.Crime Pays—If You're Woke Let's talk about public safety. Crime is through the roof, but Leftists want to defund the police. Makes sense, right? It's like getting rid of lifeguards because people keep drowning. The Marine who protected subway passengers is behind bars, but the 13-year-old who stabbed someone to death in NYC is probably getting a participation trophy. Why? Because he's a migrant. The Left's logic: “Welcome to America—don't forget your free pass to commit murder.”The Bigger Picture Leftism has infiltrated everything: schools, movies, government. It celebrates failure, punishes success, and calls it equality. It's like someone spilled Marxism into the cultural Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-kevin-jackson-show--2896352/support.

In today's episode the boys praise Nikola Jokić for his greatness, do some Mad Libs, Zach confesses his love for vacuuming, Danny finds a new favorite chip, the Luigi Mangione situation continues to escalate, Zach almost guesses Danny's stat of the day, the bread sticks have their questions answered, and more!! Be sure to tune in every Monday and Thursday for new episodes!

Hosts: TJ, Brett, & Jo This week on the show: Segment One (0:00:00): (0:03:57) Brett is already missing hunting season but it looking into old school alternatives. Plus, Brett also sneaks up on a 200 game of bowling. (0:12:21) TJ celebrates two Thanksgivings, expands his library of MSU-1 modified SNES games, and lets his eBay addiction rage unchecked and out of control. (0:39:46) Jo joins the boys and tells tales of her new side hustle. Segment Two (0:50:24): (0:56:03) FGS covers Mini Karen versus the Raising Cane's franchise. (1:09:48) The Grim Reaper pulls three big names into the void and we celebrate their time with us in THE GRIM REAPER ROUND UP. (1:21:16) TJ comes up with a new bit as he tests Brett & Jo on IS IT REAL OR AI. This week featuring: Joe Biden. Segment Three (1:40:36): (1:43:06) Jo takes over KRISSY'S KRAZY KORNER and an excellent round of Mad Libs ensues. (2:15:48) PICKS O' THE WEEK We'll be back in two and two… It's THE QUAD M SHOW!!!

[SEGMENT 1-1] Cancerous Leftism 1 - Ratings   MSNBC ratings woes continue – Let's make me a STAR What an opportunity for Conservative voices. Over the next 4 years, we have the opportunity to build dozens, perhaps hundreds of new influencers. I won't mince words, and admit that I think I deserve to be one. I was one before I was targeted by the social media giants. Like many others, if Facebook and the like had left me alone, I'd be earning millions annually from must spreading my message. No big corporate sponsors to whom I would be beholden. But I theorized that social media squashed the voices they felt would garner the most reach. Now look who's paying the price. https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-joy-reid-loses-roughly-half-her-viewers-since-election-primetime-hosts-also-struggle   MSNBC host Joy Reid and her primetime colleagues have faced a brutal decline in viewership since the election.  "The ReidOut" has shed 47% of its total audience, averaging just 759,000 viewers after averaging 1.4 million viewers throughout 2024 leading up to Election Day, according to Nielsen Media Research. Reid lost even more viewers among the advertiser-coveted demographic ages 25-54, losing a whopping 52% of them, now averaging only 76,000 key demo viewers.  Reid's MSNBC primetime colleagues have also suffered devastating losses in viewership over the past month. The network's primetime lineup has lost a whopping 53% in total viewers, averaging at 621,000, and an astonishing 61% of viewers in the key demo, averaging 57,000. [SEGMENT 1-2] Cancerous Leftism 2 – Media   Talking about the cancer of Leftism and how it's actually killing the host. And remember, folks: every time MSNBC loses a viewer, an angel gets its wings.   "Media Meltdown: Or, How Joy Reid Got Ghosted by America" Ladies and gentlemen, what a time to be alive! Over the next four years, conservatives like me have the chance to build a whole new army of influencers. And guess what? I plan to be one of them. I mean, I was one of them—before social media treated me like a Thanksgiving turkey and carved me up. Think about it: if Facebook and Twitter had just left me alone, I'd be living the high life right now. Millions of dollars, no corporate sponsors dictating my message—just me, my mic, and the truth. But noooo. They squashed me like I was a cockroach on Zuckerberg's marble floors. But here's the kicker: now they're paying the price. Have you seen the state of liberal media? It's like watching a slow-motion car crash where every car is driven by Joy Reid. Joy Reid: The Titanic of Cable News Joy Reid, bless her heart, has lost almost half her audience since the election. "The ReidOut" went from 1.4 million viewers to just 759,000. And among that precious 25-to-54 demographic—the one advertisers actually care about—she's down 52%. Only 76,000 people in that group still tune in. To put that in perspective, more people went to Burning Man this year, and they were stuck in the mud! But do you think she'll change her approach? Of course not. She's so committed to race politics, she's like the Wile E. Coyote of cable news, chasing viewers with ACME talking points while they run off a cliff. Rachel Maddow: $25 Million for Mondays Then there's Rachel Maddow, the star of MSNBC. She's only on one night a week—Mondays—and she's still hemorrhaging viewers. Her audience dropped 43% overall and 56% in the key demo. You'd think with fewer shows, she'd keep more viewers. Nope. She's like a Netflix original: hyped up, overpaid, and canceled by Tuesday. And get this: MSNBC reduced her salary from $30 million a year to $25 million. Oh no, how will she survive? Poor Rachel might have to downgrade her avocado toast. But honestly, if you're paying $25 million for a 56% drop in viewers, you deserve to go broke. Chris Hayes: Proof Anyone Can Fail Up Now let's talk about Chris Hayes, or as I like to call him, "The Guy You Forget Exists." He's lost 56% of his key demo viewers, too. He's pulling in just 73,000 in that group. That's fewer people than show up to a minor league baseball game on a rainy Tuesday. How does he still have a job? Is there a "Participation Trophy" department at MSNBC? Jen Psaki: From White House Lies to Viewer Goodbyes And then there's Jen Psaki. You remember her—Biden's press secretary turned MSNBC host. She's lost 61% of her key demo viewers. 61%! That's not a drop; that's an extinction-level event. It's like she's playing Jenga with her ratings, and someone pulled out the bottom row. Alex Wagner: The Substitute Nobody Asked For Finally, we have Alex Wagner, who stepped into Rachel Maddow's time slot. Big shoes to fill, right? She must've thought, "How bad can it be?" Well, her total viewers are down to 660,000, and her key demo viewers? 72,000. At this rate, she'll be broadcasting to her own family by Christmas. Opportunity Knocks Meanwhile, conservative voices are thriving. We've got the momentum, the truth, and—most importantly—the audience. So, America, let's keep this going. Check out KJRadio.com and Spreely.com. Because unlike Joy Reid, I promise to never bore you to death—or chase you off with nonsensical rants.    [SEGMENT 1-3] Cancerous Leftism 3 – Transition, Daniel Penny, etc. I apologize in advance for this show, because I didn't rip a lot of soundbites. And it is self-serving, because I've chosen today to vent. Now you might say to me, “Kevin, why do you need to vent given all our wins?” And you would be right, so kudos to you. But still, I don't like winning SO BIGLY and still have the opposition, well BREATHING!     "Leftism: The Ultimate Comedy of Errors" Folks, I don't know about you, but living in a world run by Leftists feels like being trapped in an episode of The Twilight Zone. The bad decisions aren't just occasional—they're the plot. You know it's bad when you have to quarantine your lifestyle just to avoid the crazy. You move to suburbia, you homeschool your kids, and you screen every Disney movie like it's a TSA checkpoint. But no matter how hard you try, the crazy creeps in. Leftism is like glitter—it sticks to everything, and no matter how much you try, you can't get rid of it. Let's start with the headliner: Joe Biden. The man is a walking ad for term limits. His presidency is like a Netflix show that should've been canceled after the pilot. And if you think that's bad, imagine the spinoff—Kamala Harris as president. It's like replacing the Titanic with the Hindenburg.Justice? Never Heard of Her Take Daniel Penny, the Marine who stepped in to protect subway passengers. What does he get for his bravery? A trial. Why? Because he's white, and the person he stopped was Black. Now flip the script. A Black man in a similar case gets excused because of a “troubled background.” So, let me get this straight: if you're a victim of systemic oppression, you get a "stab three people free" card? This isn't justice; this is a woke game show. And then there's Derek Chauvin. The media turned him into Public Enemy No. 1. But guess what? The coroner said George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose, not a knee. Doesn't matter. The Left needed a sacrificial lamb, and Chauvin was it. Truth didn't matter—only the narrative did.The Generation of Freaks Can we talk about what Leftism has done to kids? We now have a generation that can't figure out basic biology. Thanks to woke schools, we're teaching toddlers to question their gender before they can even spell it. It's like giving kids calculus homework before they've learned to count. Drag queens are hailed as heroes, and if you don't clap for them, you're a bigot. I don't remember signing up for RuPaul's Sesame Street. Meanwhile, parents who say, “Hey, maybe let's not confuse our kids,” are labeled extremists. Apparently, protecting your child's innocence is the new radical act.Rewarding Mediocrity The Left doesn't just tolerate failure—they throw it a parade. Look at Kamala Harris. She's celebrated as a trailblazer—a trailblazer for what? Unintelligible speeches? This woman makes Mad Libs sound like Shakespeare. And then there's Hunter Biden. A man born into privilege so high, he probably had a silver spoon surgically implanted at birth. Yet somehow, he's the victim. Meanwhile, J.D. Vance, who clawed his way out of poverty, is called “privileged” because he's white. Here's how woke logic works: if you're rich, white, and a screw-up, you're oppressed. If you're poor, white, and hardworking, you're the oppressor. By this logic, Hunter Biden's laptop identifies as a civil rights icon.Crime Pays—If You're Woke Let's talk about public safety. Crime is through the roof, but Leftists want to defund the police. Makes sense, right? It's like getting rid of lifeguards because people keep drowning. The Marine who protected subway passengers is behind bars, but the 13-year-old who stabbed someone to death in NYC is probably getting a participation trophy. Why? Because he's a migrant. The Left's logic: “Welcome to America—don't forget your free pass to commit murder.”Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-kevin-jackson-show--2896352/support.

The guys break down the Vikings win on Sunday, Mike Grimm stops by after a heartbreaker in Dinkytown

The guys break down the Vikings win on Sunday, Mike Grimm stops by after a heartbreaker in Dinkytown

NEW EPISODE, NEW ERA, NEW YORK! Johnny returns as he and Mike kick off TNO's coverage of the second book in the Heroes of Olympus series live in front of a raucous crowd in New York City! Sherry leads a fun Q&A as well. Topics include: the cycle, belts, the map, dry ice, Tilden Park, West Coast bagels, Jack in the Crack, floozies, Sweet Summer Child, Spidey-Sense, Dusa, Little Red Riding Hood, Crispy Cheese 'N' Weiners, commitment to the bit, PJ comedy, Sonic Adventure 2, spon-con, tobogganing, power steering, It Follows, Haight & Ashbury, Madame Zeroni, Mad Libs, Seinfeld, Legolas, Circus Maximus, ramparts, kaiju movies, The Wolf Pack, cereal aisles, trivia, and more! WATCH THE VIDEO STREAM OF THIS EP: Patreon Shop TNO NEW 2025 TOUR DATES: www.thenewestolympian.com/live — Find The Newest Olympian Online —  • Website: www.thenewestolympian.com • Patreon: www.thenewestolympian.com/patreon • Twitter: www.twitter.com/newestolympian • Instagram: www.instagram.com/newestolympian • Facebook: www.facebook.com/newestolympian • Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/thenewestolympian • Merch: www.thenewestolympian.com/merch — Production —  • Creator, Host, Producer, Social Media, Web Design: Mike Schubert • Editor: Sherry Guo • Music: Bettina Campomanes and Brandon Grugle • Art: Jessica E. Boyd — About The Show —  Has the Percy Jackson series been slept on by society? Join Mike Schubert as he reads through the books for the first time with the help of longtime PJO fans to cover the plot, take stabs at what happens next, and nerd out over Greek mythology. Whether you're looking for an excuse to finally read these books, or want to re-read an old favorite with a digital book club, grab your blue chocolate chip cookies and listen along. New episodes release on Mondays wherever you get your podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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