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This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah take on the kerfuffles of the week: Chris Rufo mines the anti-woke vein by digging up the old tweets of a New Yorker writer, the Minnesota Vikings introduce two male cheerleaders (and people lose their minds), hunky provocateur-lite Matt Rife stars in a commercial for ELF makeup (and at least two people object). Welcome to the Outrage Opportunists, who glut up our social media feeds with their Very! Angry! Posts! Are we working out the kinks of a changing society, or just serving up thin gruel?Plus: Ass, boobs, or legs? Tell us what you love, and we'll tell you who you are.Also discussed:* No Pants Day!* Nancy's cute new haircut (cue Olivia Newton-John's “Physical”)* Sarah's dad suffers from chronic integrity* Sydney Sweeney everlasting* 2025 Beyonce looks a little like … a panda bear?* Twitter, megaphone for our id* “The ass is the engine of a woman's body”* Doreen St. Felix: vile racist or 20-something with a social media account?* The New Yorker blocks Chris Rufo, David Remnick weeps* “They're eating the dogs” is kinda an all-timer* Men in cheerleading: A brief history* “Sashay, shantay” + other gay stereotypes* Joaquin Phoenix in a role that fits rightPlus, more on the Canadian hockey trial, Eddington director Ari Aster swings for the fences, Nancy takes a trip to Sally's Beauty Supply, and much more!

M3gan 2.0 The B1tc# is B@ck is not the tagline for this movie… but it could very easily have been.  After the surprise hit that was the first M3gan, Blumhouse have done what they do best, and that is turn around a moderately budgeted sequel in a surprisingly quick time. Does this make for an excellent film that expands the original property and deepens the lore and background of the character?  No. Does is make for an energetic romp that features not one but two murderous cyborgs with dead, doll-like eyes, doing martial arts and ridiculous stunts?  Possibly. Listen in the full review to get the down low on the download. D10n , Qu1nny and J1ll are all on board for this episode and you better believe they not only have opinions, but a bunch of ways the film could have been SO much better. Synopsis Two years after M3GAN, a marvel of artificial intelligence, went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage, its creator, Gemma, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military-grade weapon known as Amelia, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Emlia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking orders. Hoping to stop Emilia, Gemma decides to resurrect M3GAN, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. https://youtu.be/Aiam4GCb-ug As always, a digitally self aware thank-you to the dolls and action figures who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the A.I. chat bots and art programs who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on and keep Alexa happy or just pay for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLHdEzsk1s&pp=ygURbTNnYW4gMi4wIHRyYWlsZXI%3D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript   Dion  Ohh yes.  Speaker 7  It’s a feminine on and on and on and on. Norman non. Something like that.  Speaker 4  Play diva humpty. Yeah, yes.  Dion  That’s what’s yes, it’s it’s all it’s all about female empowerment. You’re right about what else you’re right about here.  Quinny  Sort of, yeah.  Dion  No.  Jill  We trained our AI writing script on 1000 hours of RuPaul’s Drag Race and. This is what it came up with.  Dion  And yeah, and it’s actually better than.  Quinny  You you spent so long working out whether you could, you didn’t see whether you should but but but funnily. Going on this next week, sorry.  Dion  Enough that AI chat bot is still better than grok so.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Hello, welcome to period. My name is and.  Jill  Jillian on. I am J1 all.  Quinny  QY Q1 and bifurcated numbers.  Dion  Yes. That’s right. And and Quinn, three, who’s there? And tonight we are talking about the sequel to the 2023.  Jill  Movie, yeah.  Dion  Methree again, I refuse to call anything else than. That Reagan 2.  Speaker 8  I guess.  Dion  Yeah. Oh my God.  Jill  3 and 2.0.  Dion  Yeah. Sorry. You’re right. 3 and 2.0, which if we’re going to follow these conventions, it’s going to be math. 3 gun version 4. Beta. Yeah, well, no version 4.1 final final use. This one final please. Final.  Quinny  Yeah. So no, really no really final and then you’ll find it in the wrong folder cause you for some reason chose the wrong place where you saved.  Dion  It. Yeah, yeah. Or someone will desperately call you and go. Did you make a backup of it? I deleted it accidentally.  Quinny  Always. No.  Dion  No or you start writing it in like a cloud based service and then suddenly someone will produce the movie 3 months before you were releasing it and.  Speaker  Thanks.  Dion  You’re like, OK.  Quinny  Hey, it looks like you’re trying to write a. Script for a. Sequel, you want me to **** it?  Dion  Up for you. Completely bad news. We’ve already scraped it and. Really. Sit in China. It’s bad when you get to the point where even asylum films are being outdone by people stealing the once.  Speaker 7  That’s awesome.  Quinny  Oh, it hurts. It hurts and it hurts.  Dion  That’s not miss Reagan.  Quinny  No. So I want to know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I I can’t remember. Did we all enjoy? I think we all enjoyed Megan, didn’t we?  Jill  We did quite thoroughly. We actually looked up the scores that we gave.  Dion  We did.  Quinny  It ohh damn you know.  Dion  Yeah, we did, yeah. When you weren’t here because you were late. COVID and I. Yeah. Now Jill and I went back and looked it up and we reviewed it in 20 January of 2023. And we gave it got a full score.  Quinny  Ohh Jesus Christ, because I’ve got for ********.  Dion  85 because Karina’s score dropped it down from what would have. Been like nothing.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  So we all had a nice time.  Jill  Thanks Karina.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Good. Damn it. I mean, she’s in the chat right now. She could enter.  Speaker 8  Yes. Yeah.  Quinny  For herself, yeah.  Dion  100%.  Quinny  And incomes cash for with. Like that.  Dion  Subbing subbing for that.  Jill  Thank you. Thank you. As 51 month streak.  Quinny  Oh my God. Jesus. That’s incredible.  Speaker 4  Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s.  Jill  God. Is that like how? Long. We’ve been. Yeah, it’s on Twitch.  Dion  Just swinging here. Yeah, yeah, at least.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, look.  Jill  Rocky.  Dion  We had to. We had to do all this stuff when it all became apparent that we couldn’t get together and talk about it, and now we just kept doing it.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Yeah. So.  Quinny  We’re we’re still rocking and also Karina, I love the carinas. Not even sorry with her mark. She’s like, whatever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry.  Jill  No regrets.  Dion  Totally, no regrets. Look, I mean, thinking back to the time when we saw the original, I had a great time with it. It was a fun, quirky, slightly creepy Horror Story. It was.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  We gave it a good score. It had a a fun thing in it. It had the weird dancing. It had the the, like sort of animal running. Very. Yeah. Very camp. But also kind of very creepy. And you just didn’t know how things were going to go.  Jill  Yeah, it was highly camp.  Quinny  It had a bit of style to it too, like it was, it was, you know, a pretty standard like slasher kind of thing. It was. It was child’s play, but with ale.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like, how do we ask the fibroid a.  Quinny  Chucky. Yeah. And I I was was very, very much into that. And like, you know. The the bit with. Yeah. Weird doll face thing chasing kids through the woods and you know, like a dog and ****.  Jill  Yeah. Pushing them in front. Of cars or?  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a whole bunch of cool **** in that first film, but I was like, oh, yeah, that’s actually kind of fun. There’s a.  Jill  Lot really kind of subverted the horror genre as well, but like being so overtly camp, I mean there are quite a lot of camp horror movies that, you know, become cult classics. But this was like.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  For the modern era, you know about AI and.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah.  Jill  What it’s doing to kids and that kind. Of stuff so.  Dion  It was near futurism, you know, it’s kind of like it’s, you know, we’re building robotics.  Jill  Syfy slant.  Dion  Yeah, robotics are more incorporated. It’s close to where we are. It’s a bit Black Mirror, but also it was, it was funny. Because watching. That’s creepy. It’s creepy. Funny you.  Quinny  That was the thing I think that. Know that was the thing that that really worked for me the first time around was that it was. Funny and like when it did creepy, it did creepy well, but there was enough knowing nods and funny to make.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  You go oh. Yeah, this this knows what it is. This.  Dion  Knows where it’s at and to be completely honest, begging for a sequel. You know, as soon as that the the credits rolled on the first one I was like, Yep, that will do. Yeah. Now we got a new franchise of the freaking.  Speaker 7  Hold.  Dion  Killer Sassy killer robot *****. I like her. Let’s go. And now, what are we almost 2 and a bit years later, we’ve got 3 and 2.0.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Which is.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah, I mean.  Jill  I mean, I don’t think patina particularly. No, really. We’re like, OK, So what were all the things about? The first one that made it successful and what everybody loved, it’s like, great, let’s do that again, but more.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Yeah, I love. Like all of it when I think about the marketing for it. I was watching this come. I was like, oh, they’re now sound. Like, great, this sounds good. And then it was just catch phrase, catch phrase, neon catch phrase. And I’m like, oh, no.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, I didn’t like. I didn’t like the catch phrases from the first movie. I like the creepy murderbot.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, they’re. Yeah, they’re like ohh quick. Culture is like really latched on to this, like, let’s pander to them more and just like, turn her into hunty diva boots, the house down, Yas Queen.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 8  And it lost all.  Speaker 4  Of the horror.  Quinny  Like, I mean, what was what was the?  Dion  Thing with it was like, ohh Miss Megan’s the the the horrible murderous robot. Oh yeah, that should be the person. We’ve got to empathize with. And following the sequel, it’s like, No, No, we don’t.  Quinny  No, no, you there are many things that you have taken away from this first film that you’ve taken away role.  Speaker  What have we?  Dion  What if we made her the antihero? No, please. No, no, guys, no.  Quinny  So do do you do you want a synopsis? I have the synopsis.  Speaker 4  Ohh please.  Dion  Sure. I actually don’t have any music, but.  Quinny  No, no, that’s OK like.  Dion  There you go. I’ll put a little bit in.  Quinny  The background. There we go, OK. And I I don’t think I can do any kind of. Robot voice for this.  Dion  No, you.  Quinny  Cause like she’s, she’s auto tuned. It’s it’s all very, you know, Glados. It’s not a.  Speaker  Quinny  Thing.  Speaker 7  Quinny  Two years after Megan. Mr. Egan. Whatever you wanna call it, a marvel of artificial intelligence went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage. Its creator, Jammer, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Very exciting. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military grade weapon known as. Amelia. Here, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Amelia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking audits, hoping to stop Amelia. Gemma decides to resurrect at Merigan, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. That’s not entirely. Accurate, no. I also I’m gonna assume that an idiot wrote this because it goes from being Amelia to Amelia, like there are typos and she had. All through it.  Dion  So what you’re telling me? Is the AI wrote this?  Quinny  I think it may have been written.  Speaker  No.  Quinny  By II cause it’s. Yeah, like it’s Amelia, the Emilia, and then something else.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Well done everybody.  Dion  All of the characters that were there in the first one are back in the second one, and that’s yeah, kind of great. Like, you know, there wasn’t anyone who was offensive.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and that some of the ideas that were presented were pretty good, you know, like, as in, how do you do a sequel? What are we gonna go here? I I have to say it’s not one of those ones that is kind of really dumb. Dumb logic. Like there’s a few jumps. Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  No.  Jill  No, I mean like when I heard the plot for the film, I was like ohh, that sounds dumb. I’m in. Yeah, but like, in a fun way of like, it’s gonna be a camp horror film again. I can. I can buy into the ridiculousness of the movie, especially because like the cast is so good at selling it as well.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah. And then. Yeah, and and I. Mean you’ve kind of got that tradition. Of something like Terminator and then Terminator 2 where you know the first one kill the robot second one. Ohh we make the robot the protector. But like cool. Yeah. And as Casper says, a worst to murder too. Yes. Yeah, Terminator 2 where like the the bad guy doesn’t have any. Any of the interestingness of the T1000.  Speaker 7  I’m worse.  Dion  Kind of. Or, yeah, yeah, a major Japanese. Do you know, like Arnold Schwarzenegger always wanted to do more comedy, more comedy. You know, anything. Imagine if they just let him into. Medicine.  Speaker  Oh.  Quinny  Do you remember the the the the shots in Terminator 3 where he’s like he puts on the the the star sunglasses and stuff?  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of. Kind of weak. Yes.  Quinny  All that, yeah.  Dion  And that is kind of this version of of Megan. It’s like the yassif tied. Meghan.  Speaker  It’s yeah.  Dion  Versus.  Jill  To the to the absolute enth degree. Like they they went too far. They turned the dial too far.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fighting. Yeah. Fighting her as well. Not sister, but like cousin.  Quinny  All the way to levity, stupid. Cousin ****.  Dion  Sorry. Yeah, shin hottie from Asoka has has has appeared now as a murderous. Another murderous girl in this one which is, you know more realistic. And that was one of the things that kind of made me a little annoyed too. Was like ohh they took the idea like the the building blocks of Megan and made another one. And this one looks like a real person though. It’s like no part of the reason Meghan was creepy. You know. Well, yeah. No, she’s just murder robot, like stock standard dog standard murder robot. You know who’s hot? Ish. Hmm.  Jill  Yes, exactly.  Quinny  For for a yeah, in a prepubescent, weird way. Like, yeah, it’s.  Jill  Don’t get me wrong, I still had a good time. I still enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the movie. I was.  Quinny  I was. I was. OK, that’s what I wanted to know.  Jill  Spying the plot. 2°.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The actors again really sold it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  They you know, they they were committed to the bit. You could tell that they were on the emotional journey. Just the thing that bothered me was it was so obvious. That they were. Trying to go harder than they did the first time around and it really just kind of lost the specialness of it being a subversive horror film.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  100%.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And I feel like they muted.  Jill  Yes.  Dion  Megan, in a certain way, because they were like, no, no, the actual murder 1 is this other robot who will do the evil murdering, and then we’ll limit.  Speaker  Oh, gorgeous.  Speaker 4  I feel.  Jill  Like Meghan in the first one was, like, really harsh and like a Serbian, but this one was just kind of like.  Dion  Again. Hmm yeah.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, Devo let’s do. It. I’m like, what? Yeah, no, like, compliant. I don’t really get.  Dion  Yeah. It, well, the creepy thing about the first one, which I really liked is she was quiet. She was observant and she would be calculating, and that was the creepy thing about it. You, you. She’d be standing there looking and you’re like, what the **** is that thing thinking about in this one? They just put that internal monologue straight out.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too vocalised.  Dion  In that. Of like.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, at no point in time. Are you questioning what her thoughts are? I mean, the the they do their best to give you a whole bunch of twists and turns and you know, shouldn’t be just a who’s a good.  Dion  I’m doing this now.  Jill  Yeah, I appreciated that because yeah, there was a lot of moments where I was like, oh, OK.  Quinny  Guy who’s a bad guy.  Jill  It’s not the that’s not what I thought it was. OK, well, we’re going somewhere else on this journey. But Megan, just monologue too much.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  So like all of her motives were like out there.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  But also it felt like it had it had taken it from being a like a a creepy little, you know, stalky horror film like hand that rocks the cradle. Is this this cute thing suddenly deadly? It literally turns it into a candy coated weird sci-fi like superhero film like and I I’m look ************, I’m all down for candy coated superhero sci-fi, but this felt like Shark boy and lava girl a lot more of the time than it felt like Megan.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Including that you know the the images, it’s just off to the side there where she looks like love the girl like.  Quinny  You know.  Dion  You’re saying?  Jill  Oh yeah, yeah. That moment from like, the the thing where she was in a costume. I’m like, when I saw that. I’m like, wanna cosplay it?  Dion  Dancing comp the Ayo.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.  Jill  That was, yeah, it was a fun outfit.  Dion  Don’t. Don’t do the dance, though. Do the the original dance like. I mean, that just felt like it was trying to replicate the dance that we saw in the first one. Which was weird. Umm yeah?  Jill  That’s the thing they’re like. How do? We do. Do all of the things from the first one that everybody loves but like, do it again and have them love it again.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And there was like another I’ll, I’ll say I won’t spoil it for anyone, but it was another musical moment where I was kind of like, ah, OK, it was funny.  Speaker 7  Oh.  Jill  The first time around, but now. I I don’t think I can be in this moment. Seriously.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, I when when we come to talking about this, the spoilery stuff or whatever. Yeah, I’ve got real issues with that like.  Dion  There was some. There was, yeah, there was some genuine like, I mean this is. The thing like I. I think as a whole I didn’t. Really enjoy the film. But.  Speaker  Dion  There were bits in it that I was when I was going through it was like I had a fun time. Like I felt like it was a good fun time and I was going with no, this is moving really. This is moving pretty quickly. It’s it’s complicating itself, but then it’s kind of untangling those complications. I got lots of shades of like 80s movies that I didn’t think I’d get. Like I got a lot of Superman 3, like a lot of Ghostbusters.  Quinny  It was a massive Superman three, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also the Superman 5 nuclear man. I got that too. So was that four. Sorry. Apologies. Sorry.  Quinny  Yeah, there is number. 5.  Dion  No, no, that’s no, that was I was thinking about Highlander 5. But yes, Superman stuff and and some Ghostbusters, some other stuff that was thrown in there. I was kind of like.  Jill  Bit of Metropolis imagery as well.  Quinny  Sure. Very much so.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of twists, which I was like, oh, that was quite a. That was a good twist. Or that was interesting. And then a lot of the other stuff I was like, that’s just this is. Fine, but not great. And yeah, by the end of it, I’m like, I don’t need a myth organ or a mafia.  Quinny  Like I I would be happy to go back and and you know, re explore the Megan math Regan thing like. But I would want like something that went back to formula.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  I want something that is crappy. I want something that is about killer robots that.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. I mean, did Halloween or Friday the 13th, like, ever screw the pooch on the second film?  Quinny  You don’t trust.  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  Probably.  Jill  Oh, OK. Well, how do you have like such?  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  A long series in a in a horror franchise still be scary every movie, but like you. Quinny  Know this and this is where this one fell down for me. Is that like it forgot that it was?  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Horror movie. Yeah, like it totally, totally lost its its teeth. You know, there, there were a couple of. Heads spun around and stuff like that, but. Jill  Yeah, there was like some gore, but like, that was about it. None of it was like terrifying.  Speaker  But.  Quinny  And there was no, no tension, no thriller like that, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, the the like some of the violence was there and remember it was all committed on the screen. It was mainly committed by the new one. Amelia, which in and sorry acronyms. I’m. Like. Oh, sorry acronyms, not acronyms. Acronyms. People must be sitting down trying to write. How like what name? Is this because of we have to make it into an acronym. I felt that that was a bit of a stretch, but like you know, they had all of those things done by her. But when it came to Megan, you know, nothing very bloody. Dement it happen and then they use a you know, a writing tool to stop her from doing that stuff. And it was so frustrating because that was what you wanted. You wanted this homicidal robot that you don’t trust to do those things which make you not want to trust that you want her to be an unreliable. Narrator.  Jill  Umm yeah, but I kind of felt by the end I was like, ohh, come on, Megan, you can do it like I was cheering her on.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Betray them. Betray them. Betray. Yeah.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Dion  That’s kind of what you’re going for.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too much a a hero’s arc.  Dion  And I felt. Like in the.  Jill  Redemption.  Dion  In the in the setup too, you’re you’re given to Gemma the character Gemma. You’re given all the tools at the start of the movie to actually go. You’re being. It and you deserve to have something bad happened to you. You deserve to have your trust broken because you’re being sheet and that was just a bit of a let down to not have that kind.  Quinny  Of thing come through? Yeah. Yeah. Like they were. They were introduced a few new characters. Get rid of them very quickly. In most cases, like you know, and some of the fun, like I I thought Jermaine Clement was having a. Lot of. Fun yes.  Dion  Ohh he’s he’s he’s sort of cameo character was great.  Speaker 8  It is great value.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever gonna. If you ever gonna create a tech, bro, you don’t like.  Quinny  Yeah, done, man. And and I, I felt like.  Jill  He works. He wearing a prosthetic chest.  Quinny  100 yeah. Like I love that because it was just so musky. Like it was screaming the ******* Musk. All the way.  Dion  Yeah. And look.  Quinny  I mean, yeah, I would watch Megan versus Chucky, like the new Chucky that is the robot doll version.  Dion  I haven’t seen you.  Quinny  Jackie. Ohh that that one.  Jill  You need.  Quinny  God. Came out a few years ago now I think I’m not like. And then you’ve got the the mystery or you know, mythology of demons versus technology. Yeah.  Dion  Oh. I like, I feel like that. That’s something that they like. They went for that in the third film and it was like Megan versus Chucky. I’d be like, OK, fine. I’m. Back in, we’re.  Quinny  We’re on this, yes.  Dion  Let’s get back to this. It’s about them compare like competing with each other about how to do the most gruesome murder. I’d be like, great. That’s OK. Back on track, you know, steered in, you steered into the skid, and now you’re right. Everything.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  Yeah. Because they’ve definitely they’ve they’ve hit this one well and truly sideways, and they’re heading right for the ******* barrier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like there are moments in it that I laughed and I really enjoyed, like, you know, there’s a a point where Megan takes it over a car and and you know that like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They’re complaining.  Quinny  Just because I’m a fan of of Knight Rider, I was like no. OK, thank you. But then I thought you may have laid it on a. Little thick there guys.  Dion  Except for its catch.  Jill  Yeah, you can’t imagine Kit saying hold. On to your. Vaginas. Yeah, no.  Quinny  And yeah.  Dion  And that’s what I’m saying. There’s like, catch phrase. Everyone’s laughing, right. And I’m like. No, everyone went. It’s like they you. It was the first. We all know you don’t have one. And secondly, come on. You know you’re supposed to be a 12 year old girl thing or or are you now a teenager because you’re growing up in the AI space.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Dion  You know, and it’s like, OK, you’ve got the the metaphors that you’re going for here, you know, the the difference is everyone has to grow and become different. I’m like, yeah, but that doesn’t mean you go from. Homicidal robot too. Maybe I’m the savior.  Quinny  I mean there, there is some other interesting stuff that I I do want to talk about that is less fun, right?  Jill  Ohh, like the narrative around technology and intelligence.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Like the there’s, there’s. Like they’re trying to say something here and that’s the thing that occasionally feels.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Interesting, but also at odds with the kind of film that it is like they’re they’re very definitely making some pretty big swings at, you know, is AI a problem and what is? What are the questions of the the ethics of it and everything. But the thing that got me.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And that kind of weirded me. Out a little bit. So the guy Christian is, is an AI ethicist and is somebody who’s trying to get AI shut down, basically. There is. There is a podcast I listen to quite regularly and. The weird thing about is the person. One of the two hosts of this one. It’s OK. It’s from a place called the Center for Humane Technology. And they’ve been doing talks and speeches around the world about the AI dilemma and what it’s actually doing to. What? What it’s heading towards, it’s not good. The lead guy of the podcast is a guy called Tristan and the fact that they kept he’s not Tristan. He’s not Christian, he’s Christian. I was like ohh ****. Are you taking a swipe at Tristan?  Jill  Tristan is gone. Ohh, do you think it was like actually?  Quinny  I’m almost 100.  Speaker 8  Quinny  Percent sure they are, because like.  Dion  Come on, let’s be honest. They’re taking a swipe at whoever is anywhere near anything.  Quinny  Yeah. Oh, yeah, like.  Dion  They’re not. It’s it’s a shotgun effect. It’s they’re they’re not sort of sitting there going. Oh, no, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll use the scalpel on this one. And the scalpel on that one, it’s like. You know like. Who’s talking in this space that we can sort of base a few characters around? Yeah, that’s a. Bit of a thing off we go.  Quinny  Yeah, I don’t know. But also the fact that like where they kind of placed it at the end of that, the AI ethicists are actually the bad people. You’re like.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Don’t worry though, if don’t worry if the big.  Jill  You they kind of subverted their whole message.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, totally sure. What you’re saying here, folks?  Dion  If the. Don’t worry, don’t worry if the big, beautiful bill passes, then we’ll have 10 years of sorry, 12 years of unregulated AI stuff in America. So why regulate something if you don’t understand it?  Speaker 4  Ohh.  Dion  Yeah. I know, right?  Quinny  You know, let’s let’s send Miss Reagan to to alligator Auschwitz and she can, like, dance around through the.  Dion  Screen. That’s how it should be called I think. Sorry.  Jill  Yeah, they’re calling it our first cleaning.  Dion  Alligator, Alcatraz.  Quinny  Yeah, that’s what.  Speaker  They’re called.  Quinny  What they’re calling it, I’ve seen the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Photos that shoots out.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what this is, right? Right. Yeah.  Quinny  Like the literally, I watched a ******* speech from DJ. He talking about? Ohh yeah. We’ll let people out on day release to farms. I’m like that’s slavery.  Dion  That’s worse. That’s worse, Ryan. OK. Although predicting, thank you for updating me there. Apparently, it has been that that provision was was struck off. So I don’t know, maybe sure.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Sure. Ohh Aski has an idea and I do quite like Meghan goes into Tron. OK. Yep. And and then she can.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Fight Jared Leto.  Dion  Yeah, betrogen. No, but do you know what that? Would do that would be. Because then it would. It would gasify Tron. Be like pink, pink light cycles and things going just just in.  Quinny  Just the right light up.  Dion  Yeah, she’s just she’s just throwing producer money at her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly how much go for it, actually, to be fair. Yeah. Kind of a Yas. Tron would be a fun aside.  Quinny  Yeah, make it happen to Disney.  Jill  Gastro.  Quinny  The queer eye for the Tron. Guy.  Dion  Yeah, Jared, you’re looking so weird and and orange. It’s the old color. We need pink, pink everywhere. Let’s go. Like you know.  Quinny  Yeah, I would watch that.  Dion  Yeah. Yes, there we go.  Jill  Honey, you’re a winter, not a summer.  Quinny  And the more I think about the first Megan, the more I go. God, I really enjoyed that film. Yeah. And the more I think God, this film was kind of dopey.  Dion  Yeah. Also like, I mean, I. You know, talking about the way that they presented this to it’s like the villain of it is like, oh, it’s just this sorry we we created an assassin bot and it’s gone rogue and now it’s trying to do something and it’s kind of a bit like, so what’s it trying to do? Oh, well, we can’t really tell you till later in the film. And then we’ll explain sort of things. That has to do with photocopiers, and that’s a real plot point. Sorry, but you know, you’ve got this. It doesn’t actually make it like it’s not as bad as you.  Quinny  You know like.  Dion  There’s no great villain there. There’s like in this. It’s easy, it’s cause like, well, Megan’s the murderbot. So she’s bad. And this one, it’s like, OK, are they really bad? Is anyone really bad? Who’s the actual bad person here? And it’s like, no, no, no. Just give us our hat to hang it on. That’s all we’re after. We need a bad thing. Stop the bad thing. We don’t need the twists and the turns.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yes. Yeah, and the the familial relationship between Gemma and and Katie like that. I was able to hang my head on that. For a lot more like. That still works, and there are actually a couple of bits in there that I really enjoyed. There was 1 moment that I was like oh ******* hell. Where like they they go into a bunker or something like that. And Katie’s cracked the ***** with Gemma. She ever tries to hold her hand, and then Katie just ******* jujitsu’s the **** out of her. And I was like, oh, oh, nice. Oh, sorry. Aikido.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry, which we all know is in a real martial art.  Quinny  Is coming for you right now. Yeah, well. You’ll be here in like 5 to 7.  Dion  Years. I always say that to the Aikido people. Like what are you going to do? Wait to redirect my energy? Just trying to start a fight. It’s all right.  Quinny  It’s never gonna work with my Peter.  Dion  No, exactly.  Speaker  Just.  Quinny  I’m gonna slap your hands.  Dion  Wait. Sorry.  Quinny  Anyway, yeah, like there there are. There are moments in there. There are relationships in there that work, but I feel like.  Jill  Yeah, I think there is definitely a better film that could have been made instead of pandering to the audience. I think wanted this movie, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I did see an interview briefly with the producer of it who is. So the other thing we haven’t actually mentioned the film. Has tanked really badly.  Jill  Oh.  Quinny  Yeah, like it has not done anything like the numbers they expected. And the producer was saying, yeah, we we probably followed the wrong directions and we have made wrong choices. And yeah, I’ve had a bad weekend.  Jill  Ohh.  Quinny  Which I I feel bad for them because. It must be really hard when you’ve had a massive success. To go. OK. What are the things that worked?  Jill  Here’s what I’ll give you for free, I bet you. All the money in the world, it was a team of white, straight CIS men that decided to write this film. They were like. Oh, OK. Well, if the gays and the girls love this, then let’s just do more of that and they’ll have absolutely like, no. Perspective around what actually made it good in the first place.  Quinny  Yeah, there is. So one of the writers of Aquila Cooper who wrote malignant. But yeah, you have a couple of writers, Gerard Johnson and James Wan.  Jill  James 1 you. Should have ******* known better bro like.  Quinny  He really ******* should have.  Jill  Yeah, cause yeah, he was on the first one as well and like that movie was such a sigh. But this one was just like.  Dion  It feels I know so like it does feel like they as you said it might not.  Jill  Away shante.  Speaker 8  Sashay away.  Dion  They might have fed too much, you know, RuPaul’s Drag Race into the idea. Shut out engine.  Jill  Yeah, 100%.  Quinny  Algorithm.  Dion  Yeah. And I do feel like you’ve got, it’s like a lot more complicated like in the first one, it’s pretty, it’s a pretty simplistic plot, you know? Yeah, it’s not too. It’s not too hard. This one feels like it’s like, oh, we’re going to get way more complicated. It’s bigger. It’s everything we’re going to treat this as a whole thing. You know, she’s now a, you know, internationally recognized. But on these things. You know, the whole thing wasn’t just swept under the rug. It like, you know, the first movie, the the stuff became an international in like, news story and all that kind of. Thing and I’m like, yeah. But no, sometimes it’s better to just be a bit smaller and a bit tighter like. I mean, it could have just been a whole thing of Megan trying to get her body back after being existing. In all these things, and they did have a few notes about that in this film, but I it jumped the shark for me when it went to like, how does Megan Switch herself around in between things? And I was like, wow, this makes. Absolutely no sense.  Jill  Yeah, they could have saved the military grade. Megan’s. For the third movie.  Dion  Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.  Jill  Just build to it. Don’t do it. Don’t go.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I know. But I mean, you know, like when at what point are we getting to the underground? Club of Megan’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Never.  Jill  Yeah, full read. Never go full R word.  Quinny  Yeah, no. True, no.  Dion  Fight Club never go full Fight Club.  Quinny  And this film didn’t. Yet. No. Yeah. OK. Should we rate it? I do. There are a couple of little things I want to talk about in the spoils.  Dion  Yeah, sure. Runtime question that was in there. Yeah, 100. And 20 minutes it didn’t feel over long.  Quinny  To me, I don’t know. No, I was watching it and I I I kind of got to the the third act and I was ready for it to be done. Sure, you know.  Speaker 7  The world.  Quinny  Like I I all I wanted a big enough twist in that third act to make it worthwhile, and I didn’t really get it, so I was like.  Dion  Mean we you know.  Speaker  Sure.  Dion  Well, I mean, yeah, alright. Do you have an idea of ratings? Has anyone said in the chat? Check it, check the. Rating in there you.  Quinny  Yeah. If you’ve seen, it’s put a number, I will look for the number with the the 100 symbol because it helps me.  Dion  I’m going. I was lower and then I raised it back up a couple of notches because a couple of the times I went, that’s actually quite generally funny.  Speaker  To. Work out.  Dion  And especially 1 gag, which I was like. Ohh no, this is the worst. And then by the end of the gag, I was like it. Got better over time. It aged in the moment.  Speaker 7  It.  Dion  It aged in the moment and I went. That’s actually really ******* funny. Like it was awkward and awful and cringe for like 3 minutes and then by.  Speaker  Yes.  Speaker 4  I was like, I’m never doing it again.  Dion  The end of it I was like ohh this.  Speaker 7  Is all they all they just leave.  Speaker 8  And I’m like, actually, yeah, they they held it and you had to keep keep.  Dion  Yeah, don’t you? Don’t you dare go to the ******* chorus. Jill. So. So yeah, mine was lower and now it’s come back up to 60. 5:00 that’s fine.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, down as in as a 65, OK.  Jill  Oh wow. I gave. Megan won 90 last time. I really ******* loved it.  Dion  Wow. Yes, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  I still enjoyed this. Movie. I’m not gonna be ashamed about enjoying the movie like, especially because it it pandered to my tastes. The only thing that disappointed me was that there was not one horror element left in it, and that was the whole point of it being so great the.  Quinny  Don’t don’t be.  Dion  No.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Jill  This time. So I mean, I still I. Still loved it. The characters are great. Megan is fantastic, the jokes were dumb. I I lived. Maybe a 75? OK, this time, yeah. If they had had, like, if it was still a true horror film, it would. Probably be another. 90 again but.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m. I’m. I’m probably gonna. Yeah. Split. No, actually, no. I’m going to close the deal on this one. Like. Yeah, I I. It’s so frustrating watching something where you can see the elements of something really fun and then go. Why did. Where, where, where. Did that go like? Where’s the tension? Where’s the the scares? Where’s the anything that feels slightly? Horrific or, you know, any of that and also, you know, as you said, you know, including shin hottie in there basically means that like if she’s meant to be the scary thing. Then use her as the the scary thing. But she’s not scary.  Jill  No, she’s just sexy and I’m like, can she stalk me?  Quinny  So sexy.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  I would, yes are you? Are you?  Dion  A guard.  Quinny  I’ll I’ll get. I’ll get chest and and Abby implants too, so. So yeah, I’m. I’m down with dark and I’m about. I’m a 65 as well. I it’s OK, but it’s not a patch on the 1st. 1. And there are a couple of points where I was like, I don’t even remember where Megan got damaged, but then she shows up with the horror of, you know, melted face and stuff. And I was like. Doesn’t feel earned. Doesn’t feel like you know. We. God. Yeah, it’s just, it’s just missing stuff.  Jill  I don’t know. Yeah, they tried to turn. Everything into a gag.  Quinny  They really did. They really, really did. OK, right. We have a a clippity Doo dah or something like.  Dion  We’ve got an extra long clip that I’m going to play the entire thing of, and this is after Miss Reagan has been upgraded. So now she knows Kung Fu.  Speaker  Speaker 1  Just wanted to say great job on those actuators.  Speaker  You’re welcome.  Speaker 1  Hey, so remember the time I strangled you and said the lab on fire? I just wanted to clarify that my programming only allowed me to count principles related to my primary user. As a result, I was unable to see you and Tess as being consequential. But I want you to know that won’t happen again. I want you to know. I see you.  Dion  Is she or? Is she not going to be murder? But again find out more when you go and see Miss Reagan. I’m putting this whole thing up. There we go. Perfect. Covering anyone thing. Yeah.  Jill  All right, we’re all dying to ******* talk about it.  Quinny  What the **** was up with the singing? The musical number that you’re just.  Speaker 8  Like.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, we got a an amazing rendition of titanium in the first film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. And this time around we got a bit. Of Kate Bush.  Dion  Redeemed.  Quinny  I didn’t recognize and I. Was just like, what are we? Singing here.  Dion  But I mean like that, that was a joke that I saw like that came up and that’s the one where I’m like, yeah, this is not great. This is just awful. What are they trying to do here? And then they really like, it’s it. I think that’s like a metaphysical like, you know, they’ve they’ve got the meta of this, it’s gone through and they know the inside the actual scene. They’re like this is. ******* terrible.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, what?  Speaker 4  Are you doing? Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. And we’re we’re gonna keep it going to make it uncomfortable. And now it’s funny. Uncomfortable. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  And.  Dion  Yeah, look.  Jill  Come on. The whole cinema laughed when that.  Dion  Oh yeah, for that one, I was just thinking, man, photocopiers. Why the **** a photocopier is the worst thing? OK, that felt like a gag out of someone who’s like, oh, we saw office space, and we hate printers and stuff, right? So what if we made the actual villain of this entire thing a photocopier? That’s basically been kept at a gulag and is now the worst thing in the plan.  Jill  Ohh. Yeah, that was strange.  Quinny  Strange. Yeah. I mean, though technically not even a photocopier, it was just rob. It was rob from Nintendo.  Jill  Is that true that if you isolate like an AI from anything, it just grows smarter? Like to me that sounds like the complete and. To the system.  Speaker  What would actually happen?  Quinny  It was such periodic concept. That you know. Ohh it’s been left alone. So it’s just gotten more and more dangerous. I’m like, no, it would just be running exactly the same process as over and over and over.  Jill  Also, why is it? Why is it connected to any kind of power?  Dion  Yeah. Just turn it.  Quinny  On using it forward. And and that was the moment the Superman 3 moment where, like, they finally connect to the the black box or whatever the **** it was called. Motherboard. I don’t know. Yeah, the motherboard. And I was like, ohh cool. We gotta get a like. I was really hoping for a weird Superman 3 ******* like.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Electrical **** coming out and overtaking people and like, you know, go full body horror, go a little bit of ******* Cronenberg, you know, really delve deep into the the the almost like. It’s the kind of **** if you’ve set up this horrific AI that has just been stewing in its own evil for 40 years. Then make that some cosmic horror ****. Don’t just make it shin hottie with glowing eyes. I was like, come on, **** sake. Yeah, disappointing. Got very, very angry at that bit.  Jill  Yeah, it was.  Speaker  Strange. And it was, yeah.  Dion  You know, it’s sad that like they made like some of the returning the returning supporting. Cast was also great. Yeah, like their interactions were still good and they were the voice of reason, which is all the audience going. What the **** are you doing? Why you’re even interacting with this thing that tried to kill everyone. UM. And then they try like they do that where, like putting it into that weird robo body, the little kind of one that was, that was actually a cute and fun way of doing that. And then that thing did nothing. And they immediately skipped past that. They moved all the jokes or anything you could have done with it, you know.  Speaker  Ohh yeah. Hmm. Yeah.  Dion  Fun you could have had tough. Yeah. If you have had it. Like in that way.  Quinny  I thought that was going to be half the film.  Dion  For half the film, sure.  Quinny  Again that, yeah.  Jill  Yeah, then earn upgrade.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And there was, there was a moment of something that they used that I was like, actually that’s kind of creepy and cool. There was a moment where they’ve been working on a, like, a exosuit that that, you know, helps people move and. And you know, that’s what they’re trying to move people around. And at one point that becomes animated by itself by, you know, something inside it. And I was like, that would have been *******.  Speaker 1  Yippee.  Quinny  You know, in a dark house, this thing that’s coming towards you that moves in completely in human ways.  Jill  If 2/3 of the movie was Megan jumping around things trying to get a new body, and then you pay it off in the third act, you give her a body and she defeats the bad guy that would have.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  **** yeah.  Jill  Worked. So much better than giving her a body at the end of the first act.  Quinny  Yeah, like she she goes through, like, cute little body. Then she goes her own half rebuilt.  Jill  Or if she started out in the weird like exoskeleton thing and then it’s like, Oh my God, it’s Megan. And she’s, like, trying to kill.  Quinny  And then.  Jill  People and. ****. Yeah, and.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Then give her the harmless one. There’s no arm.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Yeah, I’m trying to remember.  Quinny  So much of that would be much more entertaining.  Speaker  A bit.  Dion  The film upgrade, but I was thinking more of like, do you remember the film, the horror film hardware from the 80s?  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  You know which was about a, you know, a robot that slowly rebuilds itself out of. Junk. All right.  Jill  Ohh ******* poltergeist like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  You.  Dion  Know yeah that like.  Jill  Possessing inanimate objects.  Quinny  Yeah, like they, they, they, they’ve forgotten the face of their fathers. They have forgotten where they came from. And you know, that’s what.  Jill  The horror films that paved the way? Yeah.  Dion  I mean, they feel like they. Had when they were doing the ideation for and they’re writing all the scenes and they’re thinking about the action pieces that they can have with it. It’s like, great, you’ve got enough content. There. For about what 5 movies? If you, but if you just took each one of those and gone hey. Yeah, exoskeleton version, then you know weird cutesy robot version then like oh body rebuilt version. It’s like great. That’s actually separate.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Dion  With cool, creepy things you could do along the way to to to make all that and include that kind of crazy sense of humour. And, you know, sassy attitude.  Jill  Yeah, what if they stumbled upon, you know, Megan rebuilding herself and she’s like, you know, that half created corpse dragging along the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 4  Floor.  Dion  Exactly who wanted to play a tea party with a little girl? That that’s all she is in her brain. And she’s like I’m 43 years old.  Jill  Kind of. Horror motif.  Speaker 7  I’m not a little.  Dion  Girl anymore. You know, it’s kind of. Like ohh.  Jill  Yeah, they took the cheap way out. I.  Quinny  Think. Yeah. And they went for. Yeah, suffication. And they went for superheroes and they went and.  Dion  I feel like I feel like. They didn’t go for yes vacation. They went for merchandising opportunities.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  You. Know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The marketing team wrote the movie.  Dion  Yeah, I feel like a little like it looked like, you know, Megan had enough versions in the sequel that you’re like, ohh, that’s an action figure line.  Quinny  Yeah. So we’ve, we’ve, we’ve got sci-fi Robo doll. Megan, we’ve got, like, original Megan Reed rebuilt. We’ve got.  Dion  Assassin Amelia, Cyber Amelia, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, motherboard God. Amelia. Amelia.  Dion  Or, you know, low jacking the brain implant. Megan, which is actually.  Quinny  Hmm yeah. Once again and there was an idea when Megan Labor, I love it, but.  Jill  That’s the one in the. Squirrel outfit, where she’s flying into the Silicon Valley.  Quinny  See and that was the whole number where I went. What the **** did we just become? Like, you know, Tom Cruise. At what point in time did Megan have to become Tom?  Dion  Yeah, exactly.  Jill  She’s a robot. She doesn’t show up on anything. Why is she flying in stealth mission?  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  It was dumb. It was just. It’s too dumb. Was Benoit Blunt dumb? Ohhh yeah. But yeah, like on a on a very surface level. Yeah. OK, that’s fun. Yeah, great. But it’s not because it’s dumb and it doesn’t add up to anything. And there are so many better ideas out there. Why aren’t they hiring us?  Dion  I don’t know. Corny start pitching them and then.  Quinny  I guess the well used to be. Have somebody who’s very good at pitching on our team, so maybe we.  Dion  Should, couldn’t you start writing it? Then you hand that writing over to Jill, Jill, Yasir, fly. The **** out of.  Jill  It. Yeah, it’s not within an inch.  Dion  I’ll I’ll add.  Jill  Of its life.  Dion  Yeah. And then she’ll give it to me and I’ll Add all the things that the executives want to cut out so that they feel like they’ve done something. And then we should be able to get it through, no worries. And then Peter, Peter will take all those ideas, screw them up, throw them away and make something worthy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Sweet, so. Actual thing that it’s doing.  Dion  That has nothing to do with killer robots and more stuff to do with. I don’t know crocodiles. Yeah. And like, sure environment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Worthwhile. Projects.  Quinny  Dion  Well, you know, look, hey, that’s. All I’ve got to say about methadone.  Quinny  So I’m I’m very excited cause what are we doing next week? Folks.  Dion  Next week, you mean for the show or next week for the screening next next Wednesday special time again next Wednesday or we are going back to Dinotopia. That’s right. They made a movie about the Dinotopia books which are quite excellent. So all of those things here now is it seventh film in the franchise of Jurassic something.  Speaker  Yes. Mm-hmm.  Quinny  All I need to know, yes, this is the I I haven’t seen it yet because I came down sick and couldn’t go to the screening.  Dion  Don’t worry, we went for. You.  Quinny  Thank you. Thank you very much. Are they doing Dino riders yet? *************.  Dion  No.  Quinny  Like I don’t understand why this is so hard.  Jill  There’s some Dinos right in the.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Actually, so uncomfortable with that.  Dion  I mean, there was also a lot of.  Jill  And yeah, Karina’s just said Jonathan Bailey’s ****** little glasses pressed to her. Even those ****** little glasses could not save this film.  Speaker 7  Although also next Wednesday, Jill hold hold off for for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Next week.  Quinny  Oh, oh, cards on the table early.  Jill  Everyone knows my love for wanton dinosaur destruction.  Dion  Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  I’m and I’m wanton dinosaur.  Jill  Destruction. Yeah, I I, yeah. Still want it.  Dion  Sure. I mean, we’ll do all that and more next Wednesday, but because we’re not, we’re doing it Wednesday because on Tuesday, what are we?  Speaker 4  We’re gonna watch. Yes.  Dion  Which is save us. Save us James Gunn, save.  Quinny  Very excited about that.  Speaker  Us.  Quinny  Just looking forward to Nathan Fillion’s Bowl cut more than.  Dion  Who knows? Who knows what that’s gonna be?  Quinny  Anything.  Speaker 4  Going to. Is he?  Jill  Playing guy Gardner.  Quinny  100%. How have you missed this job?  Jill  I keep saying I got it in the trailer, but I didn’t realize. It was nice.  Quinny  And when you look at it, you like, oh, that’s actually pretty. Much perfect for Guy Gardner.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And as long as he’s a complete ****.  Quinny  Yep, yeah. Have you seen the videos where he’s using his ring constructs as just big middle fingers?  Dion  Gotta be he just has to be. I’m like no.  Jill  Ohh God, I’m going to like this movie, aren’t.  Quinny  I I’m looking forward to it, if nothing else, just because there’s a whole bunch of ******* crypto.  Dion  We’ll see. And then at the end.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Of. The month? Yeah. At the end of the month. Don’t forget we’re doing the movie. That’s out today on Netflix, which is the old guard too.  Quinny  Good God, yes.  Dion  Yeah. There you go. You got your homework. Got your stuff there. Hey, just before we all end up, I just want to get a quick, quick litmus test. How are we all feeling about the running man trailer?  Quinny  Yep, Yep. Plenty of stuff out there.  Dion  Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Jill.  Jill  I’ve been doing work at work, which sucks so.  Dion  Did.  Speaker  Well.  Speaker 7  More full you work.  Quinny  Are you at home, which sucks too?  Dion  Yeah, you should just have a window open on your computer that can hide quickly when someone walks past you with trailers running constantly.  Speaker  Do. Hmm.  Jill  How can I hear them?  Dion  One earpod like thing that’s.  Speaker 4  In there. Ohh Glenn Powell.  Quinny  Yes.  Dion  Did you watch the 80s? One Schwarzenegger running man.  Speaker 4  Maybe.  Dion  He’s a convict. He’s being chased down by Dynamo. And change does or and.  Quinny  You. You. Yeah. I was gonna say.  Dion  Like a bunch of 80s wrestlers are the villains in it who are like who have been Yasir fried and have come out and try to hunt down on Schwarzenegger.  Quinny  Exactly. It’s.  Dion  You’ll you’ll love it.  Quinny  It’s very 80s WWF like animal and hawk, ******* the The Undertaker and all that kind of stuff.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  But the idea being that, yeah, this guy has signed up or has been essentially press ganged into participating in this televised Death Race. Yeah, where? Yeah. American Gladiators chase you all over the place and try. And kill you for real, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instead of just knock you out, they actually literally cut you and have the chainsaw.  Quinny  And it’s all televised. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s. Yeah. It’s based on Richard Backman book, Our Last Stephen King. Yep. And the original always had a bit of a kind of a darker, more kind of like, social commentary thing of like.  Jill  My cup of tea.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Could you imagine where our world gotten so bad that people take?  Dion  We’ll do this.  Quinny  A gig. You know where they just possibly get hunted down. But if they survive, they get all the money in the.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  World or whatever. And that was before reality TV became the yeah. Yes, exactly. Like I love that Stephen King was like, oh, this is just reality TV before. OK.  Jill  Dion  Funnily enough, one of the one. Of the things I actually read the.  Quinny  You you have.  Dion  I watched the movie and I read the book and the book has a. Much different ending. Which is way, way ******* darker. Yeah, but now Edgar Wright is remaking the running man, and it’s Glenn Powell. And Glen Powell has been kind of again, press gangle set up to be in this game, and the game is the same sort of thing. But in this world. Of the current state, which is constant surveillance, people around you all the time, everyone has phones and everyone is playing like they’ve got some hunters that are trying to kill you. But if you feed the information of the location to the whereabouts of this person to a hunter, you can win money too.  Jill  Ohh.  Dion  So everyone’s on the hunt for you and you just have to survive 36 hours. That’s it.  Quinny  The the unfortunate thing is now looking at the State of America and like, yeah, you know, ice and stuff. I’m like, oh, ****, this is it’s kind of a little. Bit. ******* close, yeah.  Dion  Yep, I feel like it’s it’s we’re we’re six months away from this actually being a new thing.  Quinny  Mm-hmm. I’m just, yeah, worried that people are gonna go. Let’s do that. Let’s. Do that as as an actor. We’ll see.  Dion  But not here. We haven’t got there that just.  Quinny  No. Yet no, no, we’re we’re, we’re.  Dion  We’re doing OK. Hey, at the moment, look in in in NSW, the rain has stopped. It’s the the the cyclone bomb hasn’t been too bad and the sun’s out. So everything’s great. Peachy keen.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, we’re doing alright. You guys doing OK seeing you for.  Dion  Happy days.  Speaker  Yeah, we’re doing that.  Quinny  Dion  A while I don’t know. You’ve been where? D&D’s.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, actually I do want to give a little bit of a shout out to the the wonderful critters of Australia so.  Dion  Like echidnas and.  Quinny  Yep, drop beers. Tie pens.  Dion  Koalas. Kangaroos.  Quinny  Yeah, but yeah, no. Like, I went down to Melbourne last week, which is why I couldn’t do the show to go to.  Dion  And probably where you got.  Quinny  Yes, it’s possibility because that’s where I got the ropes.  Speaker  Sorry to know.  Dion  Anyone else who went to Melbourne to Rod Laver Arena last week? It’s Quinny Quinn gave. You COVID? Yep, all 11,000.  Quinny  Of you. I’m sorry. Sorry. Yeah, but yeah, it was. It was lovely. And, you know another 5 hour show of D&D, which was very entertaining. And Tom Cardy was very, very good. He did both shows very, very entertaining. Held his own against, you know, people who have been doing this for 10 years. And yeah, there’s nothing quite like seeing 11,000 ******* Dean Dean, nerds singing along to a, you know, a song and shining all their lights. It was it was like going to a massive music concert. But you watch them do maths on stage. Like at one point I’m pretty sure somebody was like adding up this goals and was like. 11,000 people watching me do maths. This is like every nightmare. I’ve ever had.  Dion  That’s good.  Quinny  Yeah. And we saw Tari, who was in the chat before. But I don’t think he’s there anymore. Yeah, and.  Dion  Ohh.  Quinny  You got a pretty unitary. Pretty kangaroo in Sydney, Tara and Melbourne caught up with some friends, had a lovely time. Generally it was ******* delightful and I have been paying for it ever since it’s been so.  Speaker  No.  Dion  Excellent.  Quinny  I’ve been watching a lot of TV. I watched weird TV show called Scavengers Reign and everybody should check it out. Actually, no, I’m I’m not going to say that. It is the weirdest ******* animated series I’ve ever watched and. It’s. I I have a thing called trypophobia. Where you know, seeing holes and uneven patterns and stuff like that creeps me the **** out. This show is just all that. It’s just Cronenberg body horror, ******* weird, alien mushroom, creepy. Oddness. But it’s really quite cool. Like very slow burn. Very weird. Have you ever seen the art of Mobius, the French designer?  Jill  Right.  Dion  Yes, I know of moob the moob.  Quinny  Yeah, it’s. It’s like a lot of that anyway. No, I didn’t go to the Lego Star Wars exhibition. I’m sorry.  Dion  How dare you? You’re not one of us anymore, Connie. I’m looking forward to going seeing some soccer soon. Oh.  Jill  Yes, we yes off to see Wrexham. I have, yes.  Quinny  Ohh Yep. Have you watched the last of the episodes? Of this season.  Dion  I have not. Yeah, I have not. Yeah. And Jill, you going to get your wrestle on soon?  Jill  Try again, yes. I am. I got *******.  Speaker 4  Tickets to ******* WWE.  Jill  In October, I’m going to smack down. I’m going to crown jewel. I’m going to roar. **** yeah.  Dion  Nice.  Quinny  That’s so cool. Where’s that on here in Sydney?  Jill  Or no? Is it the RC in Perth?  Speaker 7  Oh.  Quinny  They often go to Perth. I don’t know why.  Jill  Because they have a three-year contract with WA government.  Quinny  Ohh, I always wondered why like because that’s a long ******* way to go.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yes, but also the WA government has money and also all of the FIFO workers over there probably really do like the.  Speaker 7  Wrestling that’s be honest.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. True.  Dion  That’s that thing.  Quinny  We’re well and truly down for.  Dion  That’s creating a stereotype and I’m like, I don’t care to that.  Quinny  That.  Jill  Very, very excited, though it was a little bit of a Taylor Swift moment trying to get the tickets. Ohh, we got them. We got the.  Quinny  There.  Dion  Got the tickets.  Quinny  Well done.  Dion  Yeah, and that’s just trying think what else is coming out this week? Ohh, naked gun at the end of the month and Fantastic Four. So.  Quinny  Yeah, and and our, our, we are definitely keen to try and sort out Fantastic Four but yeah, we’ll we’ll see what happens like.  Dion  Yeah, we’ll see what happens. Who knows, there’s currently. There’s currently rumours that Pedro Pascal might even be here for the premier, which is making everyone panic. That who? Yeah, like I don’t.  Jill  Get the *******.  Quinny  So so if if he’s here for the premiere, we probably won’t be going to the screening.  Dion  No, we won’t be able to get within 400 kilometres of the screening cause of. Gaming.  Quinny  Yeah, ohh all of them are. Coming for it. Yeah, I. Mean we’re definitely not going to Australia.  Dion  No. Yeah. Maybe we will. Who? Who? Who knows? Like, you know, they’re just gonna do their thing.  Quinny  Put the request in but you know.  Dion  Yeah. Who? Who knows?  Quinny  Pretty Kangas you said. Yeah, strange new worlds coming back at the end of the week. End of the month.  Jill  Ohh no I have to resub to. Paramount back.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Y

Glitter, sass, and spicy takes—this week's bonus episode brings it all! The No More Late Fees crew welcomes back their fabulous Broadway-loving friend Timmy for a jam-packed special where glam meets drama. From casting a dream reboot of Hedwig and the Angry Inch (spoiler: Zac Efron gets name-dropped) to sparking debate over Broadway legitimacy and Patti LuPone's latest headline-making chaos, it's a whirlwind of musical theater hot takes and infectious laughter.But wait, there's more: Jackie, Danielle, and Timmy dive into a glitter-filled round of “Sashay or Shantay,” battling it out over pop culture legends like Spice Girls vs. Destiny's Child and Clueless vs. Mean Girls. Feathers, chokers, and plot vs. fashion? Nothing's off-limits. And don't miss Timmy's Employee Picks that serve period piece realness and nostalgic high school chaos. If you love sparkle, shade, and side-splitting opinions, this one's a must-listen—No More Late Fees ⁠https://nomorelatefeespodcast.com⁠909-601-NMLF (6653)—Follow Us on Social:Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nomorelatefees TikTokhttps://www.tiktok.com/@nomorelatefees Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/nomorelatefeesYoutubehttps://www.youtube.com/@nomorelatefees Twitterhttps://x.com/NoMoreLateFees —CONQUERing⁠⁠myconquering.com⁠⁠10% Off Code: JACKIE10—NostaBeautyhttps://nostabeauty.com 20% Off Code: NMLF—Tim's Previous EpisodesGirl Power with Andrew and Timmyhttps://nomorelatefeespodcast.com/episode/girl-power-with-andrew-and-timmySpice Worldhttps://nomorelatefeespodcast.com/episode/spice-world

Everyone's got mom on the brain this week (rightfully so), which hopefully means you've already made plans to say thanks to that special person by treating her to some outstanding food. In case you haven't, we start this episode with three suggestion for where to take mom — if they're still taking reservations:Blackwolf Run in Kohler is offering a Mother's Day brunch from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. that includes salads, fruits, crudites, sausages, avocado toast, grilled citrus salmon, red wine braised chicken and pepper steak sauté, carving stations, omelet stations and desserts.Crafty Cow has you covered at all of their locations with some very cool-sounding fare. The cinnamon roll funnel cake jumps out, but there's also the "Mother of All Hangovers" (a burger with cheddar, jalapeno, fried eggs and chipotle aioli) and the "Mother's Morning Bowl" (waffled hash browns with smoked cheddar, Nashville fried chicken and chicken gravy).EsterEv opted for a different direction with high-tea service from 12:30 to 3 p.m. You'll find 10 menu items paired with offerings from Rishi Tea and served in ceramics crafted by Kate Riley. Breakfast cocktails will also be available.You'll hear a few decidedly global news items as well, led by the exciting news that SapSap has officially joined the regular food-truck lineup at Zócalo Food Park. SapSap will also take part in an upcoming event titled “Hidden Flavors of Asia” that's going down June 1 at Pilot Project Brewery, while a taste of the Mediterranean will soon find a home at the top of the world's tallest mass-timber building.If you're looking for something food to do a little sooner, The Cooperage will host Sashay & Souffle this Friday to benefit Midwest Sad. In addition to the culinary portion of the title, the drag-show fundraiser will include “show-stopping performances” and “fierce fundraising.” This weekend will also bring a new menu to Outlaw Oyster that features dishes like Octopus Aguachile Negro, Caviar & Hash Browns and something called an Octodog.

Media Utilization: Dr. Anderson emphasized the importance of using media to reach a broader audience. This approach not only enhances credibility but also effectively disseminates knowledge.Teaching and Extension: Transition from 100% extension work to incorporating teaching at Oklahoma State University (OSU) allowed Dr. Anderson to influence both students and farmers, providing a platform for broader impact.Marketing Strategies: The "third, a third, and a third" strategy for selling wheat is a notable contribution. This method helps farmers manage price volatility by spreading sales over different periods.Early Career: Dr. Anderson started his extension career in Kentucky, where he first appeared on TV with Ira Massey on "Tabacco Talk." This experience underscored the power of media in agricultural extension.Sales Class Success: His sales class at OSU, including the "Ready Set Sale" event, has been highly successful. It teaches students practical sales skills through real-world interactions, preparing them for future careers.(00:03) - Introduction and Welcome(00:35) - Information and Website Reminder(00:55) - Introduction of the Dream Team(01:14) - Doctor Josh Lofton's Introduction(02:14) - Introduction of Doctor Kim Anderson(03:17) - Kim Anderson's Grain Marketing Advice(03:35) - Kim Anderson's Career Began in 1980(04:27) - Transition from Kentucky to Oklahoma(05:48) - Early TV and Radio Experiences(06:26) - Creative Market Monitor Segments(07:02) - Fun and Criticism in Market Reporting(07:44) - Kim Anderson's Teaching Career(08:25) - Transition to Teaching Junior Marketing(10:04) - Success of the Sales Class(11:17) - Hands-On Sales Experience(12:10) - Ready Set Sale Dinner(13:09) - Support from Salespeople(13:55) - Reputation of Ferguson College of Agriculture(14:22) - Ready Set Sale Process(15:45) - Teaching During COVID(17:02) - Adjustments During COVID(17:55) - Sashay with a Salesperson(18:16) - Importance of Building Relationships(19:09) - Students Finding Salespeople(19:25) - Ready Set Sale Dinner Event(20:29) - Symbiotic Relationship Between Students and Salespeople(20:51) - Impact of Teaching on Extension Work(21:25) - Writing for Southwest Farm Press(22:17) - Teaching Through Media(23:08) - Repetition in Teaching(23:58) - Credibility Through Media(25:03) - Avoid Lectures, Facilitate Conversations(26:04) - Best Presentation Experience(27:19) - Learning from Farmers(28:01) - Mentorship from Successful Farmers(29:05) - Making Farmers Feel Good About Their Decisions(29:56) - Origin of the Third, a Third, a Third Strategy(31:02) - Media's Role in Credibility(32:15) - Importance of Returning Phone Calls(32:42) - Listening to Farmers(33:14) - Affirmation Calls from Farmers(34:09) - Caution with Media(35:07) - Handling Media Sensitivity(36:10) - Favorite Part of Extension Work(36:41) - Reward of Farmer Interactions(37:55) - Farmers Teaching Themselves(38:01) - Origin of the Third, a Third, a Third Strategy(39:06) - Double Retirement(40:02) - Current Wheat Marketing Strategy(41:02) - Importance of a Mechanical Marketing Strategy(42:15) - Average Yield and Price(43:20) - Value of Being Above Average(44:18) - Comfort in Marketing Decisions(45:33) - Retirement Plans(46:31) - Psychological Aspect of Retirement(47:36) - Making Decisions That Let You Sleep at Night(48:15) - Overcoming Doubts and Proving Others Wrong(48:27) - Closing Remarks and Thanks(48:45) - Outro and Contact Information RedDirtAgronomy.com

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Audio-Man and I introduce the next project in Operation Sock Drawer, then dig our way through distractions and yarn.Hey Ya'll, I'm Peggy, and I'm The Kickass Knitter An experienced knitter documenting her journey through TKGA's Master Handknitting Program, as well as other fiber fun. Peggy is a largely self-taught fiber enthusiast and Knitter with a capital K. She loves yarn, crafting, and riding her motorcycle. Questions? Comments? Feedback?!? My inbox is open at thekickassknitter@gmail.com.Show notes can always be found here.Additional So2W can be sent to your inbox for free! Subscribe!Join in on Ravelry!And, you can check out the Instagram @thekickassknitter

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Paris Sashay is an absolutely lovable comedienne, writer, and actor that's on the rise to stardom, but today she's in the apartment to get hydrated for the dirty deed! We discuss piss play in the bedroom, the ins-and-outs of strapping, and how to keep your titties healthy. Ashley gets loud in the bedroom. Maddie finds strap-ons and stereotypes. You can follow Paris on IG, Twitter, & Tik Tok: @parissashay,  And you can see her perform live near you! Get tickets at her website: ▶ https://www.officialparissashay.com/tour  Support WHGS for bonus content, uncut podcasts, live streams, and more: ▶ https://www.patreon.com/WHGS Ashley is doing a theater tour! Get on her text list to get first dibs on tickets: ▶ https://www.ashleygavin.com/#dates  Check out our merch: ▶ https://shop.merchcentral.com/collections/ashley-gavin  ______________________________________________ – CONNECT WITH US! – Ashley Gavin's Tour Dates: https://www.ashleygavin.com/#dates Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/6de0153eb9c8/whgs Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashgavs/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashgavscomedy Twitter: https://twitter.com/ashgavs ——— Produced & Edited by Alex “swetshop” Vrahas: https://www.instagram.com/swetshopz/?hl=en  ——— Watch this on YouTube: https://youtu.be/1oQLBQvbaPA  ______________________________________________ – SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! – Helix: ▶ Helix is offering 20% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to https://helixsleep.com/gaysex.  Smalls: ▶ Give your cat the gift of great cat food this holiday season.  Head to https://www.smalls.com/gay and use promo code GAY at checkout for 50% off your first order PLUS free shipping! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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TMR Top 10: #ShantayOrSashayAugust 14, 2023The Morning RushHosted by: Chico, Hazel, & MarkkiThanks @advenchoi for the topic!

Birthdays have a way of stirring up all sorts of philosophical ponderings and encouraging the release of our inner wild child. Are you the type to celebrate all month long or ignore the day all together? In this episode, Bridget prepares to encompass a new mindset in her 34th year and explores ways to relish in recklessness (aka bookstores). Tune in and let us know how YOU tend to spend your special day! Don't forget to check out the links below! Find Us: NFNO IG June's Playlist July's Playlist

Paris Sashay joins the pod to discuss why size matters to lesbians, attending a special ed high school and selling weed to her classmates, when she and Stav first met as wee comics, and much more. Paris and Stav help callers including a guy whose friend was very rude to his girlfriend, and a woman who wants to bring her partners to play parties. Unlock exclusive, Patreon-only episodes at patreon.com/stavvysworld  Wanna be part of the show? Call 904-800-STAV and leave a voicemail to get advice! 

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day for June 24, 2023 is: sashay • sa-SHAY • verb To sashay is to proudly walk in a slow, confident way that is meant to attract attention. Sashay can also mean simply "to walk, glide, or go," or "to proceed or move in a diagonal or sideways manner." In contexts involving dance, sashay means "to make a chassé," which is a dance step in which a slide on one foot is followed closely by a slide on the other foot. // The model sashayed down the runway wearing red from head to toe. See the entry > Examples: "I was surrounded by warm wood paneling, soft lighting, piano music playing at the exact right volume, white tablecloths, and servers who didn't walk so much as they sashayed from the kitchen to the dining room and back again. This was one of the most confident restaurants I'd ever entered, and the next hour of my life would prove why." — Drew Magary, SFGate.com, 18 Mar. 2023 Did you know? Sashay slid into English as an alteration of the French borrowing chassé, which refers to a dance step in which a slide on one foot is followed closely by a slide on the other foot. (It comes from the French verb chasser, meaning "to chase.") Authors such as Mark Twain, Zora Neale Hurston, and John Updike have all put their names on the word's proverbial dance card, enjoying the liveliness sashay adds to prose. More recently, it has been strutting its stuff as a refrain on RuPaul's Drag Race since 2009: a queen does not skulk when voted out of the race, but proudly sashays offstage. From classic literature to the runway, sashay continues to dance its way through English with attitude. Now, sashay away.

This week, Historable Podcast presents their first official two parter episode! We had such a blast talking about the history of Drag that Michelle decided to keep the fun going. In today's episode, hear about the lives of a few of our favorite Drag Queens. Now.....Sashay, Away! 

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This week I sat down with Beckett Kenny to talk about the time he shit on a dick and much more. Beckett runs a show called Sashay at the Laugh Factory. Follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/buckettkenny/ Our live story comes from Tiny Thickemz. Tiny talked about getting ear infections and told some hookup stories. Tiny runs The Nasty Show at the Laugh Factory every Saturday. Follow her here: https://www.instagram.com/thickemztiny/ The Ladylike Podcast is produced by Gena Gephart: https://www.instagram.com/genagephart Theme song is Type of Wound by Natalie Grace Alford: https://nataliegracealford1.bandcamp.com Follow Ladylike: https://www.facebook.com/ladylikechicago https://www.instagram.com/ladylikechicago https://twitter.com/ladylikechicago Contact us: genagephart@gmail.com

YOU BETTER WERK! Nashville's style and fashion dates wayyy back but since we love the Nudie suit so much - that's where our journey begins! Come take a listen as we dive into fashion and highlight some of our favorite musician's incredible and undeniable style. From Nudie himself to today's Nashville trends, nothing is off limits. SASHAY!

Let's talk about M. Night Shyamalan's newest, and gayest, movie - were Rowan and Jazza held captive by its story, or just left wishing for the end of the world? Support us on Patreon at patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast for as little as $5 per month to gain access to perks like queer movie recommendations, Discord access, and watch-a-longs. Thank you for supporting us! We're a serious podcast and have a serious sponsor, Squarespace support us! Help make the podcast profitable by going to squarespace.com/queermovie, and by using the code 'queermovie' at checkout. Head over to queermoviepodcast.gay and get a FREE .gay domain name of your choice for your own website or brand courtesy of their registrar partner Porkbun—for 1-year! This is a queer movie watch party for your ears, hosted by Rowan Ellis and Jazza John. Join us as we take a look at the queer film canon, one genre at a time. From rom-coms to slashers, contemporary arthouse cinema to comedy classics - Queer Movie Podcast is a celebration of all things queer on the silver screen! New episodes every other Thursday. Find Us on the Internet Super Highway - Twitter: https://twitter.com/QueerMoviePod  - Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thequeermoviepodcast - Website: http://www.queermoviepodcast.co.uk/  - Multitude: @MultitudeShows Production - Hosts: Rowan Ellis and Jazza John - Editor: Julia Schifini - Executive Producer: Multitude - Artwork: Jessica E. Boyd   TRANSCRIPT JAZZA:  Hello, everyone. Just before we jump into the main episode today, I wanted to thank our two top-level patrons, Jennifer, and Toby, who are supporting us on the rainbow parent tier, which is absolutely bloody amazing. Do you want to join them, head over to Patreon and you don't have to donate as much as they do, but we'd really appreciate anything that you can give to us. More about Patreon coming a little bit later. On with the episode, my darlings. [theme] JAZZA:  Welcome to the Queer Movie Podcast, celebrating the best— ROWAN:   —and worst— JAZZA:   —in LGBTQ plus cinema one glorious genre at a time. ROWAN:  I'm Rowan Ellis. JAZZA:  And I am Jazza John. ROWAN:  Each episode we discuss a movie from a different genre of cinema. JAZZA:  This episode's genre is— JAZZA AND ROWAN: Queer Chiller. JAZZA:  It's so cold in here. ROWAN:  I—Yeah, fully, I would say everyone I do not understand what this genre is. It's like a thriller, but more chill. I don't—but yeah, you're right, Jazza is right. This is like what everyone has been describing it as. Like, if you go on the Wikipedia article for this movie, literally the quotes from critics call it a chiller. And I'm like, we're behind, baby. We—we need to—we run a podcast about genres and we're like, what the hell does this even mean? JAZZA:  You know what, it's handy for us because we've already done queer thriller. I think. ROWAN:  That's true. So this technically is a different genre. JAZZA:  It is technically different genre, sure. Today, we're gonna be talking about the M. Night Shyamalan adaptation of the Paul Tremblay book, Cabin at the End of the World,  Knock at the Cabin. Not to be confused with the 2011 film, Cabin in the Woods, which is much better. ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, that doesn't [1:45] I feel like it needs any kind of argument from me. That's very obviously true. But before we get started, sexing some grasshoppers, Jazza, every single—Jazza—listen everyone. I think it's become clear by now that Jazza writes the scripts for this beginning bit and often they write it literally like [2:02] together, and I don't look at it beforehand because I'm an idiot who trust them. So I guess that's a reference to them catching grasshoppers and discussing whether their boy grasshoppers or girl grasshoppers or whatever. Okay. JAZZA:  Yeah, she say going around. sexing grasshoppers. ROWAN:  [2:19] JAZZA:  [2:19] is called when you—when you put down like the sex of the animal, it's called sexing. Thank you [2:25] for giving me that information. ROWAN:  Okay, sure. So I'm so sorry, let me start that extremely normal sentence again. But before we start sexing some grasshoppers Jazza, what's the gayest thing you've done since the last episode? JAZZA:  So I've got a pretty cool one. I'm— I—I haven't been legitimately intimate famous, arguably ever. And so me getting noticed off of the internet doesn't happen very often. So when it does, it's a lovely little special occasion. I have been recognized on Grindr in New York, this week by the lovely Jaime. Hello, Jamie, thank you for listening. ROWAN:  Hi, Jamie. JAZZA:   Hi, Jamie. I will say we—we exchanged a couple of pleasantries. No dick pics were exchanged. ROWAN:  Okay. Good to know. JAZZA:  I just want to make that very clear.  But thank you very much. If you see me on Grindr say hello. [3:16] ROWAN:  Sorry, I just wanna—just— just one quick follow-up question, Jazza. How far away was Jamie? JAZZA:  Jamie was—uh what was it?  ROWAN:  Because I know exactly how far away because you sent me the screencap of this conversation. JAZZA:  I did. Yeah. ROWAN:  And it was extremely [3:32] JAZZA:  Oh, it was a 100—no, it's 45 meters away. ROWAN:  Literally your roommate. JAZZA:  I have been— I have been staying in Hell's Kitchen Bay. And I think the grid stops at like someone is 200 meters away. So that's not extraordinary for this part of New York. Did I mention I live in New York? ROWAN:  No, I don't think you have.  JAZZA:  No, no. Okay. Cool. Rowan, how about you, what's the gayest thing you've done? ROWAN:  Honestly, I think it was watching episode three of The Last Of Us. That truly made me feel so gay. And we— I immediately after watching that episode, message Jazza to be like please can we do a little special episode, bonus episode of the podcast about episode three of The Last Of Us, so that is in the works hypothetically. JAZZA:  It is in the works. ROWAN:  Unless you never see it from us, in which case it was never—it was never in the works. JAZZA:  Allegations only. We're too late for kind of like the hype around the episode, but it is such a great episode. I think we are going to make at some point when we have some time. ROWAN:  Yeah. I mean, please don't tell me that because I'm genuinely thinking of doing my March video about quiz zombie media. So let's just say it's like always relevant. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —zombie constantly alive, never dead. JAZZA:  Brilliant. [theme] JAZZA:  First, we're going to be talking about the background of M. Night Shyamalan and asking why? Well then be splitting the movie into three acts and discussing the plot with our usual sassiness. ROWAN:  Jazza then has some extra discussion for the end of the movie, which has me very excited with anticipation, because they haven't told me what the hell their bit of context is that they're going to talk about which— I don't think we've ever done that before. Normally, we tell each other too much. And we have to keep being like, save it for the podcast, stop telling me your opinion, stop talking to me like we're friends. We are already allowed to talk on the podcast. So we will be spoiling this movie as we do with every one of these episodes. So if you care about going into these things fresh, we would encourage you to watch it before listening to the rest of the episode. JAZZA:  So if you've come back, welcome back. For those of you who stayed, thanks for staying. Without further ado, let's sell the shit out of this air fryer and review Knock at the Cabin. [theme] ROWAN:  So really, with this movie, I was—we always talk about the context that we can do these movies in, and a lot of the time it's very obvious. And there's very obvious like the history of the genre, like with a horror episode, or the—the history of the movie was really interesting, or with the moonlight, things like that. With this one, I was like, I guess, the M. Night Shyamalan is like the interesting aspect of this movie, essentially. Other than you know, they let gays be main characters. And so— JAZZA:  How generous by the way. ROWAN:  How generous of them.  JAZZA:  Thank you so much for your allyship, Night. ROWAN:  So it has come to my attention that I feel like I was kind of growing up in the heyday of this man. Because I have spoken to some people who are younger, like not—not wildly young, but they are just like, not familiar with him. Because they just weren't old enough to watch his movies. Even though his movies were like 12 rated, they were sort of like, oooh, their horror movies— JAZZA:  Sure. ROWAN:  Kind of thing. So like 12 rated in that way. JAZZA:  The fans of M. Night Shyamalan that I am aware of tend to be our age,  a little bit older, like movie geeks.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And I think it's because he had some of the— some of the most iconic movies of like the late 90s and 2000s. ROWAN:  Yeah. And then he fell off a—fell off a [7:04] But the funny thing is, if so the way that people remember him, I think because of the Sixth Sense, which was like definitely this absolute breakout movie, which he—which he also wrote this— it came out as the same year as another film that he wrote, Stuart Little.  JAZZA:  Oh my god, really, I have— ROWAN:  1999 and— JAZZA:  No, shut up! ROWAN:  —did rewrite, She's all that.  JAZZA:  Wow.  ROWAN:  All 1999, an absolute stellar year. We don't talk enough about his incredible Stuart Little, where the twist was the very first moment of the movie where the child was a mouse.  JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  So notoriously, he like has— JAZZA:  No one saw it coming.  ROWAN:  He has these big twists in his movies, that's what he's known for. However, a lot of people talk about the idea that he essentially like went downhill with The Village. I feel very strongly that The Village is not a bad movie, and that at the time that it came out, it was a well-received movie. And because of Lady in the Water, which came afterward two years later, in 2006, that people absolutely slated. Everyone wanted to be really cool, and sound like they had always known he was trashed hack. And so—and so they start hating on The Village to be like, oh, I knew before anyone else. I've always not liked him, which I think is very, very rude of them. JAZZA:  I agree. I think— I think The Village is well, it was his last movie that I enjoyed. Like I— ROWAN:  [8:25] Yeah, yeah. And people—people did enjoy it. And I—like genuinely, it's one of those movies where like, when you don't know the twist going into it, like that was so brilliantly done. And it made complete sense logically within the movie, and it all came together, and it was really interesting. And I think it's just when you know the twist, and then you come back to it with the attitude of like, this guy's a hack like the—he never might writes good stuff. Loads of people just retrospectively decided they hate that. But when you look at what he's done, he doesn't have some like, massive, like 10 feature film discography before that, where he was writing all these twists, right? He has like the Sixth Sense is his big one, Unbreakable, and then Signs. And then The Village.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  So it's not—and also obviously Stuart Little. But so it's really interesting to me that he—he managed to get such a huge name for himself, where it was seen as like this big fool of this iconic director after what is essentially like three features that have this element to them that he was known for. And so yeah, he essentially is known as the twist director. So he also essentially after The Village comes out has Lady in the Water that was the beginning of the end for him. He does the Last Airbender, which was [9:45] JAZZA:  Oh my God, [9:46]  ROWAN:  After Earth was him as well, which I forget because it—because the [9:51] JAZZA:  With Will Smith and— ROWAN:  Put onto Jaden Smith and Will Smith. Split which has a lot of like, question mark, question mark around it, and Glass, old which is the everyone ages on the beach one from two years ago now— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Because it was 2021. And now we've got Knock at the Cabin. But I will say there's like this to me this movie I mean— I feel like we've already sort of hinted at it. It's not necessarily pulling him back up to a Sixth Sense levels for either of us? JAZZA:  No. That's it.  ROWAN:  Yeah, that's—that's the review. JAZZA:  This is the thing, so he doesn't really do big studio pieces anymore. And I don't— I think it's the last [10:31] it's the last time that he worked with a big studio. And so most of his stuff now is it leans more indie. But the thing is, it all still does really, really well, because the M. Night Shyamalan brand is so strong. ROWAN:  Which is wild, because he has like three times as many flops as he does successful movies— JAZZA:  100% ROWAN:  —in terms of so—in terms of the way that people view the movies, and how critically they—they've been kind of responded to. JAZZA:  But he has been so influential I think, especially on people who, like I said, were around our age, maybe a little bit older, who were first being introduced to movies at the time? Like his early movies especially was such experiences. And I think in the— in the— in a similar way where stuff like the Lord of the Rings, and the way that that was such an influential series of movies for people who then went into work in the industry, I think that M. Night Shyamalan is that for a lot of media critics, for a lot of people who now work in this. And so there is that really firm fan base that he has, and it really is like a fanboy fan base. ROWAN:  Yeah. And I will I—so I think as well completely agree with you. And I think that it ties in even further because when you think about movies that have big twists in them, or big like shocking moments, they often come with a higher age rating. So the really classic twists throughout the time, you're looking at like the usual suspects, you're looking at seven things like that, where it's like there's either a big twist or a shocking moment. And so you're right, this idea of an introduction to cinema. I remember watching like The Sixth Sense, watching The Village, like when I was 12. And I was like 11,10, 11,12 years old, and like they were going to be the first movies I ever really got to see which had a massive twist in them. And that showed me what it could be because before that I'm really consuming children's media that ultimately doesn't really work, like twists aren't really a children's media thing so much, and it was this idea of like yeah, trusting your audience to be able to like piece things together by the end, they're being a puzzle to solve, they're being like some more other levels to it, other layers other than just being a good movie because like Sixth Sense I think, the reason why it works so well as a movie with a twist, will not spoil it even though I'm sure literally everyone knows the twist of that movie even if they haven't seen it. JAZZA:  I— can I tell you something? I've never seen the Six Sense all the way through. ROWAN:  Oh, it would destroy— it would fully destroy you. That is a film that I watched as like a 10-year-old, but you are a little bit baby and you absolutely be psychologically destroyed by it. JAZZA:  Oh, is it actually scary? [12:59] ROWAN:  Well, okay. So I hasten to add that I watched this when I was like 10 years old.  JAZZA:  Uh-huh. ROWAN:  So it was— it was not like terrifying. It was— I really liked horror movies as a kid. So it was like enjoyably frightening for me through the first watch. And it's one of those movies with a twist where you can watch it again after you know the twist and it becomes almost like a different movie to you.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And you get you— every time you watch it, there is something you can get from it. There's clues you can spot, there's things that like are exciting, which I think is like the best kind of twist movie. It's one where the twist feels— JAZZA:  It changes. ROWAN:  —unpredictable, but inevitable at the same time. And so what this does though? Being known as someone who makes these twist movies, means that inevitably when people go and see his films, even though a lot of the films he's put out since don't have big twists, people expect that. And I definitely feel like that had a big effect on my experience watching this movie. Because I was really finding myself searching, it is a very simple movie and that it has a very like high concept premise of these four people believe that they will be saving the world by making this—essentially making this family choose to kill one of the three members of the family. They believe they will be able to save the world. That's a very high-concept premise, you can explain it in one sentence, and it's all basically in one location. So for me, I'm like, oh, this is primed for a twist. There is something going on here. So everything—I was looking at everything with meaning. I was trying to figure it out. I was like, I wrote so many notes of like things that I was predicting were going to happen. And then there just wasn't a twist at— but the movie also wasn't good enough for me to feel like it was better off not having one. JAZZA:  I think that is a twist. ROWAN:  Okay, controversial. Did I just— did I just misunderstand this extremely complex movie, Jazza?  JAZZA:  Well, I like I think— ROWAN:  It's a twist that gay? Because that is—that is a twist. JAZZA:  More or less? No, bae. I think the twist is the fact that the [15:00] meant to be the fact that the apocalypse is real. ROWAN:  Okay, but here's the thing Jazza, that's in the trailer.  JAZZA:  Yeah. I saw. I didn't watch the trailer.  ROWAN:  Oh, okay. JAZZA:  And I— from reading— from it and having now watched the trailer, I'm like oh, that is literally the whole movie.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And it would— if you had seen the trailer, it literally ruins the whole thing.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  And I think although I will say, I think it marginally probably makes the viewing experience better. It doesn't make it significantly better. But I think that we're set up, we're meant to believe that this is for like fundamentalist, religious—religious bananas, bananas people, who have come here and like performing and doing a homophobia. And I think it's meant to be oh, this is actually real, and that's like the big twist. Oh, they— they kill one of their dads and now everything's fine. And that's meant to be a, wow, I can't believe you did that. But obviously, it doesn't really have that gravitas to it. ROWAN:  But to me, that's not a twist, that's just one of the options that are laid out at the beginning of the movie already.  JAZZA:  Yeah. And that is from the first like—after the first 20 minutes when they've tied the gay couple up. That is—that becomes what the movie is. The movie is oh, either this thing happens or this thing happens.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  And one of the things happens.  ROWAN:  And so I was always searching for that third thing or the twist. And I had a bunch of idea. I was like listen, buddy, M, my friend. I got some options for you that I can point out as I go through. I also made my notes in the cinema. I watched this in the cinema, and so they are so incoherent in terms of the—oh, Jazza also did. I'm looking at some of these notes and I'm like, I really hope I can remember what plot point this goes with. Because one is just in all caps, baby got a gun. So I'm hoping that I can figure— I'm assuming that's the child got the gun at some point. JAZZA:  If the child, I don't think he gets the gun at any point [16:56] ROWAN:  Oh, I think baby might have been one of the guys then.  JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. ROWAN:  I think maybe Eric is baby. I also have— JAZZA:  Andrew. I can't believe you're mixing up the gays.  ROWAN:  I'm so sorry. Leonard what? I also wrote down,  I writt— I read this out to myself just now, and I was like why did I put rip on, on there? And I was like, oh, it's because the note is meant to be RIP Ron. So yeah, some clearly, some very intellectual notes, which you will know if you've listened to the podcast before. It's entirely what this podcast is about, intellect all the way. I will say I might save it for the end, but do you know anything about the book it was based on?  JAZZA:  Yeah, and the book is better, apparently. I've never read the book.  ROWAN:  So do you know the big—the—the difference? The ending?  JAZZA:  Well, there's two big differences.  ROWAN:  Okay. Should we talk about the ending difference at the end, wHen we talk about the end?  JAZZA:  I think let's just do it now. ROWAN:  Spoilers, guys. JAZZA:  I mean, we've given them the spoiler warning [17:49] So the first difference is the fact that when it's shot and killed. ROWAN:  Yes.  JAZZA:  So then, because it was an accident, she doesn't count as a willing sacrifice in like the weird fucked up law of this universe. And so then you have the gay couple who have now got a dead child. Now have to kill one of the other ones, and only— the only one of them is left and has to like, be alone for the rest of their life. Fucking depressing. Highest stakes, I wanted that. But I think M. Night Shyamalan is too much of a pussy to kill the child. ROWAN:  I like how in the movie if you know the—the story how it originally went that they were adopting, that's very funny, because they essentially are like, hey, kid, go all the way over there to the tree house, so that we can't accidentally shoot you in a scuffle like in the book. JAZZA:  Yeah. Exactly. ROWAN:  She's great. JAZZA:  And then the difference at the end from what I understand is that there's ambiguity that we actually never as a reader know, whether or not the apocalypse is real or not.  ROWAN:  Hmm, interesting. JAZZA:  They just kind of like drive off and that's left hanging. And I would have also preferred that to the very on-the-nose kind of weird magical realism that the end of this movie has. ROWAN:  Oh boy. Well, I guess we'll get into that in this next section where we actually tell you from beginning to end, what was going on and what we were thinking about it while we were watching. That I was about to be like The Cabin in the Woods, The Knock at the—The Knock at the Door—no.  JAZZA:  The Cabin in the— ROWAN:  The Cabin door. Knock at the Cabin door? Knock at the Cabin. Knock on the cabin? JAZZA:  Wait, isn't it not at the cabin? ROWAN:  It can be on the—you wouldn't knock on the—knock on the door, but you would knock at the cabin.  JAZZA:  It's not. It's not. ROWAN:  Knock on—knock at— JAZZA:  At the cabin. You Knock at the Cabin. ROWAN:  As we discuss Knock at the Cabin. [theme] ROWAN:  Okay, so, Jazza do you have segments for this? Do you have acts? JAZZA:  Yes I do. ROWAN:  I find it really hard to place acts because of my ADHD, my sense of time is really fucked. So I can do acts when I have something in front of me and I can—I can check in with a timer to see like, is it around a third of the way? So I don't have the acts, so I'm very willing to bow to your knowledge and your expertise on this. JAZZA:  Sure. I will be honest I have very much forced a round peg into a square hole here with the party this afternoon, but I— ROWAN:  I was gonna say. JAZZA:  But I— I have forced it in, it is there— ROWAN:  Okay I love that. JAZZA:  —which kind of liberal, a really liberal idea of what a party is.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  In this case, it's murder. ROWAN:  Love that. For those who don't know, I feel like I do this every time I'm like for new— for new listeners. JAZZA:  Firstly, welcome. ROWAN:  Welcome. Also, when we split it the movie into those, we always have different names for the thirds. And for some reason, every single gay movie has a party and its aftermath is one of—at least one of the third. Sometimes two, sometimes even three. So I love that you were committed to that bit. And you have managed to theorize that murder is a party. Ah sorry, can—please continue, Jazza. JAZZA:  So my opening act is boyfriend twins, try S&M for the first time. ROWAN:  Oh, I love that. That's very—that's very clever, Jazza. JAZZA:  Thank you so much [21:10]  ROWAN:  Very witty. [21:12] JAZZA:  So we opened up with this movie with the breakout star of this film, uh Kristen Cui, the seven-year-old child—adopted child of the boyfriend twins. ROWAN:  Tell me why I thought you were about to say the breakout star, Dave Batista. Also fair, you know what, he's great. JAZZA:  Yeah. I actually don't think he was very good in this movie. ROWAN:  Wow. JAZZA:  Which I—apparently is controversial, but oh, well. So this young girl when is out in the garden, collecting grasshoppers. And as we said before, is sexing them, giving them names is doing like a school project, incredibly— incredibly cute. I don't know how you felt about the cinematography and stuff there. I thought it was beautiful, and I actually think this whole movie is really beautifully shot the way that they pan— ROWAN:  Yeah [22:06] JAZZA:  —through windows to the outside. The way that light is refracted, and the different [22:14] of light showing kind of like different stages of each day, I think it's really, really pretty, and the setting is stunning as well. Shyamalan decides to completely ruin that with um— ROWAN:  The movie. JAZZA:  Dutch angles of— with the movie, but also with Dutch angles throughout the whole of this opening thing. If anybody doesn't know, a Dutch angle is basically when you tilt the angle of the camera, so that everything is like a skew. And it's kind of like a bit of a mallet. It's not a very nuanced way of being able to show like huh, something here is off. So Wen is there collecting some grasshoppers and then Batista comes along and starts to make friends with her. But everything is at an angle. And I—I feel like I'm tilting my head throughout the whole dialogue that he has with the seven-year-old. They end up making friends, he's pretty charming. And then he goes well I'm—I'm really sad because I'm going to have to do something really terrible Wen. You should go in and get your Daddy's. And then we see three other people walking up the path towards the cabin where Wen is staying with her two daddies,  Daddy Eric, and Daddy Andrew. ROWAN:  So cute. I would like to point out that the cinematography—the cinematography, being good is really no surprise because the gu—the guy did the cinematography or coders to cinematographers who were listed, but the one who's like the really well-known one did the lighthouse, the Witch, the Northmen.  JAZZA:  Oh amazing. ROWAN:  Like, he—Yeah. This is not a surprise, and I also agree like I was watching this beginning and I had very high hopes. I really, really enjoyed this like really tense, there's like no music for this entire sequence like it's very unsettling. They keep doing like extreme close up. So just keep getting more and more extreme on their— JAZZA:  Yes. ROWAN:  —faces and very straight-on talking to each other. There is this real tension of a guy with Dave Batista's physique, with his the strength that he has, with his tattoos and with this very like still gentle calmness that you are so aware any second could just turn, and like that kid is dead. And so there's—you really do not know anything about this man, you don't know what his intentions are. And I think that also this idea of like there's a child who is on their own, who's being talked to by a stranger is like inherently a troubling tension-filled moment. I really thought it was interesting that they had this moment at the beginning where Wen basically tells him about having two dads and then it's like, all the Disney channel kids have one dad [24:43] JAZZA:  My teacher keeps on saying that it's so great that she— that I have two dad's, almost as if she doesn't actually think that and it's like oh, yeah. ROWAN:  Yeah. I was like Wen, you smart little cookie. But I like that little bit of commentary. JAZZA:  I love the little detail. They start showing things and I totally believe that Wen's favorite movie is Kiki's Delivery Service. I just loved that little detail. This opening scene had so much promise. I— It's—unfortunately the best bit of the movie. It was downhill from here for me. ROWAN:  Yes, agreed. And so they all as Jazza said, these three people come up this path and the entire mo—the entire like way through the scene, Leonard is like looking over as if he's like, waiting for something or someone. So like, again, this tension is building. And so she, very smart is like something is going on. These people do not seem nice. And so she runs to the cabin [25:35] start screaming, her dad's having a nice little bit of like wine and cheese on the back porch— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —to get inside because they were like— JAZZA: There's a half-eaten bowl of chocolate there as well. Like, this is [25:45] ROWAN:  Not a great time.  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  And then like she's like, come inside, come inside. And they're obviously like, okay, kiddo, I'll come inside. And then at that point they're probably like, the Jehovah's Witnesses [25:55]  JAZZA:  Like [25:56]  really enjoy that line— ROWAN:  From the road. Like, what a—what a dedicated lot of people. And then you kind of have this scene through the door where we don't really see what's going on. We see what's happening in the cabin with Daddy Andrew and Daddy Eric, but we don't see what's going on outside, we just hear them. And it becomes apparent that although the four of them kind of working together, they've all approach together, they all have very different attitudes and ways of that they think that this is going to work like it's like good cop, bad cop, confused cop, scared cop, angry cop, so many cops out the door. And when it becomes apparent that these people are there to potentially hurt them, they can see through the window that they have weapons. They kind of go through, which I always do appreciate in these like anything that's like horror thriller type things, like useful or smart things that you would do in this scenario.  JAZZA:  Yeah. So they try, there's no signal on their cell phones for example. So cell phones are out of the thing. The landline has been cut, so they can't call 911. ROWAN:  They are like, okay, what if I try and escape, no, because they're surrounding the house. So there's no exits, we can go to. What if we—we just need to get to the truck to get the guns, or just one of us has to be— there's lots of like things that they're trying to figure out. But also obviously, they have like a child they're trying to protect. So like, even as they're getting the pokers for the fire, did use as makeshift weapons. You're so aware that one of them is like holding a child, and so— JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. ROWAN:  —like his swing is always going to be inhibited by wanting to protect her first. Like, it's very much, they're doing all that they can but very quickly are essentially overpowered. And we get into the bit that again is spoiled by literally the tru— like you know that these people if you watch the trailer, we're gonna get into this house and tie them up. So in terms of the tension here, was that any not necessary? But during this altercation, where the rest of them storm into this house break in.  what [27:52] Eric and or Andrew gets a concussion. Which one is it, which one's [27:55] JAZZA:  Eric. ROWAN:  [27:56] Eric. JAZZA:  The boring one. The boring one who they should have just killed at the beginning because he was fucking useless. Really dramatically, like a typical gay, falls over, gets a concussion, and then can't look in bright lights and then starts having visions. They should have just— as soon as they asked which one of you dies, Andrew should have gone Eric. I'll kill Eric, that's fine. End of movie. ROWAN:  That was the short—that was a short film version, but they— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —decided to make a feature so this continued. So we also get the first of what I've labeled the sad gay flashbacks. Where we just have a series of flashbacks to various sad moments in the gay's lives. Some of them are happy moments, but um, so this first one is basically Daddy Andrews's parents are mean and homophobic. And Daddy Eric is too damn hopeful. He thought that they could learn the error of their ways and be nice and not homophobic. But Daddy Eric was wrong people are trash. Back to the present. JAZZA:  By the way, these flashbacks apart from one, which I will talk about later. I feel like they do zero for this. ROWAN:  Absolutely nothing. JAZZA:  Absolutely nothing like I think that there is something to say for not trying to make sure that there is a robust backstory for empathy building with these characters. But I think that that actually is already kind of happening and especially the guy whose plays Andrew— ROWAN:  He's great. JAZZA:  —Ben Aldridge carries— ROWAN:  He carries the movie. JAZZA:  Like I think he really does he—he and young Wen, Kristen Cui. They carry this whole movie. Otherwise, it would have been like stilted, awkward, purely utilitarian, kind of like dialogue.  ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  That I thought it just wasn't delivered particularly—particularly well. ROWAN:  This is also the point of the second flashback where Andrew first decides to accuse them. Because as far as he's aware, some people have come into the house. They are talking about the apocalypse, all of this shit. They maybe want to hurt him and his family. They tied him up and he's like, you are a bunch of homophobe.  I mean, it's just a very—a very great, very like, get out, I would have voted for Obama [30:05] if I could energy. Has been like, I don't have a homophobic bone in my body. I would never— how dare you accuse us of being queer bashes, as I— JAZZA:  Yes. ROWAN:  —literally gave your husband concussion, but not for the gay reason. JAZZA:  It's just because you've been chosen by God. ROWAN:  Just because you're chosen special family. Chosen by God to be killed, which is very gay of you. But that's not [30:30]— JAZZA:  Very on brand. ROWAN:  —what we think, which I loved. And so I—I wrote this point, oh, maybe the twist because I didn't—we never— the only thing we didn't really get in the trailers was like, what the big choice was, what the decision was. You just got you and your family have to make a decision. So at this point, in my mind, I'm going oh, do the family have to kill these four? Because the four of them were looking really scared and freaked out. And like, so I was like, okay, this is where my mind is going at this point. And I guess that acting was good because they're scared [31:00] because they will have to die. But it turns out that wasn't a twist at all. They just killed themselves. So that was point—that was guest one from Rowan in her notes. JAZZA:  I will— I will say. So I—usually our roles, the two of us are, Rowan knows what the twist is and how the murder gets solved or whatever, 10 minutes into the movie. I don't understand what's happened until somebody explains it to me afterward. In this film, as soon as they tie them up, I was like, oh, they're gonna make them—they're gonna make them kill one another. Like, I— immediately got it. And I hadn't seen the trailer.  ROWAN:  No, no. This is immediately what I thought. But then I was like, stupidly, but the twist [31:45], there has to be a twist. JAZZA:  I get it. Okay. ROWAN:  So I was like, here are my twist guesses? So essentially, yeah they—they say, hey, buddies, your cute little family of three, that just happens to be a same-sex couple, nothing to do with our prejudices. Or—you got to pick one of you guys to kill, you have to do it willingly, and you have to kill each other. We can't kill you, and we can't choose. How's this gonna go, is that the four of us, we're going to ask you four times, who would you pick? And every time you say, I don't want to pick, something bad is gonna happen. And the bad thing is that we'll basically kill ourselves in front of you. And or like, the others will kill whoever is going to die at this point. And we will basically wipe out like a quarter of the population of the entire planet from that.  JAZZA:  Kinda. ROWAN:  Which really—I was like confused because I was like, well, is your death causing the destruction of the planet? Like, do you—could you just like not die and then the planet doesn't get destroyed? Like how does the functioning of this work? And then I very quickly was like, Rowan, listen, this movie is not about actually thinking about it. Don't think about it.  JAZZA:  Yeah.  So there's four of them. There's Leonard, who is played by Dave Batista. Redmond is played by Ron Weasley. And then there's Adrian and Sabrina played by Abby Quinn and Nikki Amuka Bird, respectively. They kind of like present themselves saying like a little bit about themselves really awkwardly. I don't know, what are they? Because I'm— I'm sure I've seen Rupert Grint acts before. And this wasn't good. And I don't understand what it was. And maybe it was like a character decision because it was a real problem for the Four Horsemen because they're— they're representative for four horsemen of the apocalypse. The four horsemen and the way that they kind of like engaged with one another and with their captors, it just felt so off. And like it didn't have any kind of like emotion behind it. It was very strange. ROWAN:  I think that in part that was because we were never getting anything from their point of view, it was always from I mean, maybe it was from Andrew's point of view. And so we were always being shown them where they were trying to present a—would there— they were trying to be persuasive. As for people who were not like naturally persuasive, so it doesn't necessarily have that authenticity of like when they're alone. So like we kind of hear them talking alone, but it's always like in the background of what's going on with Andrew and Eric, it's like just whispering that like over here. So I feel like yeah, we didn't really get a sense of them as like actual people beyond this, because we never got to see them talking in like a natural way.  JAZZA:  Yeah. [theme] JAZZA:  Hello, friends Jazza here for the ad read, as returning listeners will know we are part of Multitude, a collective of creators who make stuff for your ears. And this week we have something very exciting to announce. Merchandise, you asked and we listened. Multitude merch it's—it's finally here my loves. You can grab a Multitude logo tee or a crewneck sweatshirt now in our DFTBA store. And there's actually more merch in there now, and it's always being updated. I'm gay, I suppose. 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Okay, we can get back to the show now.  [theme] JAZZA:  So this is where my— this is my party and its aftermath and the party is the death of Ron Weasley. ROWAN:  I mean, yeah, sure. JAZZA:  Because this is the first place for me where I laughed, where I shouldn't have laugh.  ROWAN:  The first place love that energy. JAZZA:  Like Ron Weasley has to be murdered because the gays said they're not going to kill one another. And the bit that I laugh at is where the producer finishes off. Ron Weasley, and then picks up his legs. And then the camera tracks as he drags him out onto the patio, past two windows and then just drops his legs. And I just the—the visual of it absolutely sent me. I was inappropriately cackling through the whole dragging scene in the cinema, everybody hated me. ROWAN:  I love that. So yeah, sorry, Ron, you're dead. You die pretty early. You had a good run, being angry man in the corner because Ron's character was just angry that— that was his character at that point, was just angry, grumpy man, that was it. JAZZA:  He's meant to be wrath or something like that. They then turn on the telly and they see that oh, look, there's been earthquakes and there is tsunamis. Despite the fact that the first of those earthquakes, this is one of the plot holes. And the plot holes that really annoyed me. Were the first two like plagues that they released onto humanity, by not sacrificing one another? The first one is two earthquakes that cause two tsunamis that happen— the first of which happens four hours before they turn on the telly. Which means what it can't have been triggered by the gays. And then the second one is a type of like flu, is like an— it's a bird flu or something like that. That for some reason has an epicenter in Suffolk.  ROWAN:  Classic Suffolk. JAZZA:  Classic Suffolk. But that has also been happening for several months already. And so also isn't caused by the gays. There is like a wider conversation around like the religious zealot nests of gay marriage causes natural disasters. ROWAN:  I love that. JAZZA:  I think there is like an opportunity for a meta-commentary about that here, but I'm not going to make it. ROWAN:  I also— my favorite bit of this whole section was that the newscaster got— well first of all the [40:53] add to that place before— JAZZA:  [40:55] ROWAN:  [40:55] and then that— which is it's the directors are coming out right?  JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. JAZZA:  Yeah it's nice in there, yeah. ROWAN:  I was like I—that looks like the director. So I just really liked that it was like that was a choice that they made, where they're like waiting for the breaking news to happen. But during the newscast, the woman goes just short moments ago, we have footage and I'm like, that's not short moments ago, because that person who took that footage is fully dead. Like they— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —they get consumed by the tsunami. They weren't then like in the tsunami being like Better Texas, it's ABC News. And it wasn't even like [41:29] JAZZA:  I guess they could do live streaming. Yeah.  ROWAN:  Well, the thing is, normally when that happens, you have like live stream, but I was like, this is just so ridiculous. But I was like, you know what, the film was ridiculous, I'm getting into it. Also, like a lot of the tone of the— for kind of people who have come to this cabin. These—with these weird moments of comedy, of awkwardness, that I was never quite sure whether I was meant to be laughing out. So I was like, la— sometimes laughing in my head, I don't think I ever laughed out loud. But like, it was such a strange tone that I really wasn't sure what was going on, or what I was meant to be thinking. But yeah, just that really sent me. We also at this point, essentially, they're like, we're on a clock, we're on a timer. But actually, you know what, we're gonna have to break overnight like we actually end of our shift. So you guys have a little chat? JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. actually, [42:14] see you in the morning. ROWAN:  See you in the morning gang. And we find out that Eric is definitely—we know from a flashback that his religious. And so I think at this point we're starting—they're like slowly creeping in the potential that Eric could be— JAZZA:  He's the weakest link, kill the fucker, kill Eric. ROWAN:  —persuaded he's the weakest link. I then put my second prediction, which was Eric is one of these religious bitches. So I thought because he kept asking— JAZZA:  That would have been good. ROWAN:  I kept— he kept asking questions about the— so at first, I predicted that right at the beginning when they have that moment of being like, oh, you can pray if you want to. And they tell him about the visions they've been having, which is like them predicting, prophesizing, what's going to happen, and how it all matches up. And he says something like, dreams can mean lots of things. And I was like, oh, I think he's been having these dreams., and he's persuade—like his—like Andrew has persuaded him, like this is because you're stressed like, these don't mean anything. And he's trying to persuade himself, and I fully thought that he also had been having these dreams. That was prediction fun twist number two, that didn't happen. So then we get a flashback to them in the car. And the—it's just them being cute and singing, and coming to the cabin and that child actor who plays he—who plays Wen looks directly into the camera almost for that entire sequence, and I loved it so much. They're singing karaoke and she keeps clearly being directed to look at either of the dads, but between them is the camera and she just spends most of the time looking directly at the audience. JAZZA:  I didn't notice that at all [43:45] ROWAN:  It was stunning, I love her. They also—at this point are talking about being a rat in the flashback, talking about being in the cabin, and I got what I thought was going to be a really fun Chekhov's gun situation, where they are joking about whether there are like bears in the area. And one of the dads is like we know we'll be safe we won't need the garbage out. And I was like Ron, Ron's gonna get eaten by a bear. There's gonna be some bear situation that's going to happen like we won't need the garbage out. But there's literally a dead body waiting to be eaten by a bear. Like something is happening. That never came back again, that was wrong as well. JAZZA:  Ohh, an army of bears, um like— ROWAN:  I really was like waiting for [44:19] JAZZA:  [44:19] of [44:20] could have turned up. Or I was thinking like some level that bear daddies could have trotted up and saved them [44:28] ROWAN:  That would have been even better, but no. We also at this point, like the whole movie is just them being in this cabin. One by one, these people are killing themselves. They have various escape attempts. So at first, Wen tries to like climb into the basement and run but ends up getting captured. We also find out that Andrew has had an experience of gay bashing in the past, and that he is convinced— he suddenly realizes that he recognizes Ron Weasley because he looks a little bit different— JAZZA:  From the Harry Potter movies. ROWAN:  From the Harry Potter movies, but he's like— but also he was the guy who beat me up. JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  And put me in hospital and put me through like this horrible like PTSD experience I have to have therapy for. And we also get a flashback where we can't quite see his face. So again, it's like oh, is it really him? Is he miss remembering because of his trauma? What's going on? And then—then we start questioning like are these people actually, you know, it's this all a coincidence, because did Ron tell them that he'd been having a dream about the cabin when they were chatting on the little [45:29]  where they all met. And then they suddenly started having the dream because he planted the idea in their heads. And very quickly that's all squashed and it's like no, no, it's— it's that's not what was happening at all, that the apocalypse is really going on. That switch and bait was kind of pointless for a second, don't worry about it— JAZZA:  Yeah. ROWAN:  —we're back on track. The apocalypse is definitely happening. Let's kill some more of these people. JAZZA:  Yeah, and the next one to die is Adrian. And as she dies, this flu that has existed for several months up until this point is then reported on the TV. Andrew end up, they're like really angry saying that these are obviously coincidences, this saying suggesting that these are pre-recorded broadcasts, that they are just turning on. And they're timing everything specifically for—for specific newscasts. And Sabrina, one of the two remaining, I'm going to underscore the horsemen. ROWAN:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. JAZZA:  Is bandaging up Eric and describing the vision that she's had, and how they ended up kind of like finding each other online, making them sound. This is the thing, if they had been hammered this idea more that they were people who were radicalized and made it feel more obvious to the viewer that oh, these are some people who have been radicalized online, like Q anon style vibes. That would have made the conclusion of the movie more—more, not necessarily surprising, but more interesting. And you kind of have it seated, but I don't think it comes across strongly you know? ROWAN:  Yeah. JAZZA:  Eventually, Andrew ends up escaping after Wen starts screaming for cartoons and distracts the rest of them. And Andrew somehow, like sneaks past them despite the fact that they're literally feet away from one another. He gets the car, gets his gun that was in the back that he carries around since he was gay bashed for his own protection, shoots. But [47:15], she stabs him. They end up going back into the cabin and then he actually does shoot and kill Sabrina. Sabrina's now dead. ROWAN:  Here are my notes for this section.  JAZZA:  Right. ROWAN:  Ron, Andrew, Sabrina, you hit him.  JAZZA:  Okay. ROWAN:  Get the gun. Hurry with that gun. Get the fucking gun. Stop stabbing him. Baby got the gun. She ran away. Oh, no flat tire. That's—that's what I wrote down, some very important intellectual notes about that whole section. And then I put, why are you threatening Leonard, just kill him. JAZZA:  Yeah, right. Just shoot the fucker. ROWAN:  Just shoot the fucker. JAZZA:  He—he does say—he does say we don't want to be a murderer like you all are. ROWAN:  But then okay, this is the thing that's really weird as well, is that they have this whole thing where they're trying to persuade us like Andrew doesn't give a shit about humanity. Like he's this jaded motherfucker. He doesn't give a shit. He'll let humanity burn if it will save his family. And he can't shoot one dude. That doesn't seem— that doesn't seem in line with his character, Bishop. JAZZA:  So Sabrina got— got sho, she's now dead. For some reason, they always have to kind of like, finish them off, even though they're clearly already dead. But Leonard— ROWAN:  That'd be thorough. JAZZA:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make sure that the job is done. He wraps it up in a blanket and sticks you into the—into the other room. But then Eric and Andrew, lock Leonard in the bathroom because they're going to run and try and go to the truck that the four horsemen must have arrived here with. ROWAN:  And when they put them him in the bathroom, there is just a very visible human-sized hole of a window. JAZZA:  Sure, sure. But—it so—so Leonard smashes this window, making it seem like he's managed to escape. He's huge. He wouldn't fit through that window. And so it's just obvious. ROWAN:  It's a normal human-sized window, not a Dave-sized window. JAZZA:  Not a Dave sized— sized window. And so they end up like wrestling to the ground. ROWAN:  Classic gay movie stuff, wrestling to be fair. JAZZA:  Yeah.  ROWAN:  [49:30] JAZZA:  They don't—they don't kiss. ROWAN:  They don't kiss though, which is normally— normally the boys wrestle and then they kiss in this situations. But no kisses, only gun grabbing happening here. JAZZA:  And then after Sabrina dies, this is the second time that I unintentionally cackled to myself in the movie. When we have the footage of all of the planes falling from the sky— ROWAN:  Weeee. JAZZA:  I did. It just looked—the CGI looked so bad— ROWAN:  It looks very bad.  JAZZA:  It just looked so silly to me. And there's people looking up in like horror, obviously, because like 700 planes are falling from the sky. But I just think the whole thing—the tone was just so off. So that's like the third and now we just have Leonard and this is where my act three, begins. [theme] JAZZA:  And my act three is, just kill Eric already. ROWAN:  Yeah, fair.  So at this point, it's like, okay, the planes are falling from the sky. Literally, there's like lightning and thunder everywhere. The darkness is descending, everything is going [50:37] So it's like, okay, the apocalypse is definitely happening. We have a choice to make. Leonard at this point is just like chilling out in the rocking chair. I guess I assume if he—if he wants a nice final moments, helping himself to that wine, cheese, and chocolate that they left help her at the beginning of the movie. JAZZA:  Yeah, what a weird guy. ROWAN:  And essentially is like, hey, guys. So hopefully you're persuaded by now. I still have to die, I guess. RIP, [51:03] for me. But please, also, you'll have a little bit after I die. Please kill each oth— like kill at least one of you guys. And there's a line again that in my head, I was like, oh, this is interesting. Which is Eric says to Wen, go to the tree house until one of us comes to get you. JAZZA:  Yeah, he's [51:21] ROWAN:  And was like it's like my baby about to die. And I was right for once. And then at this point, I put RIP Leonard. Every time someone died, I just put RIP, you know res— you gotta respect the horsemen.  JAZZA:  Yeah, exactly. ROWAN:  And then I said, but it finishes this time with RIP Leonard, hello darkness, my old friend. Because as soon as he dies, quite literally, the sky turns black. Just because of you know, we lost—we lost a bad boy, and the earth couldn't cope. So essentially, this then becomes this weirdly like heavy-handed, strange, extended, not even a metaphor, like sym—symbolism or a lesson to be learned. I don't know what it was. About, like the one gay who hates humanity because he was gay bashed and blames other people. The other gay who's a religious boy, who sees the best in other people— JAZZA:  Sacrifice himself.  ROWAN:  And he also— he's Jesus, I guess. JAZZA:  Jesus was gay.  ROWAN:  [52:15] JAZZA:  [52:16] being single in that economy. ROWAN:  Right? And it's just like, they're not— like they hate us, they're monsters. Like all of these homophobes, the whole world is homophobic and hates me particularly. Like,I love humanity, I hate humanity conversation. JAZZA:  So this actually—this was the— this was the thing I wanted to talk about.  ROWAN:  Ooh, you want to do it now? JAZZA:  Because like— Yeah. So I think that there was something potentially really interesting that could have played with the idea of the paranoia that you have from be— having grown up in a homophobic community, in a homophobic culture. Where your guard is always up, you don't trust others. And you like, for example, when Andrew automatically goes to, oh, you're hurt, because you're homophobic, and you think that we should die and that they're religious zealots. And that bad faith assessment that they have, because of the terrible experiences that Andrew specifically in this case, but queer people in general have gone through, he automatically then sees the worst in any confrontation that he ends up having. It made me think when we saw the Ron Weasley attacking him scene. And then the next scene is him purchasing a gun, it made me think of—so I made a documentary after [53:36] shootings in Florida. And then the increase in gun use amongst the elderly, or registration of guns among the LGBTQ-plus community. And that desire for you to take that power and agency back from this culture that has taken away safety from you. And therefore you need to be able to make yourself hard and make yourself battle ready. We see him training to be a boxer as well, so that he's able to defend himself, and therefore his family. And I think that there was a real potential here with this character, with Andrews's character to be like, oh, I have to— like, what is the thing that I am defending? Is it me, or is it this thing that I have built? And I think that the movie falls flat on that, but there was such potential for that theme of like, the tragedy of being a queer person growing up in a homophobic culture. And what that does to you in not being able to really kind of like experience life in a joyful way. So that was my little extra bit, but it doesn't do that. ROWAN:  No. And I also think that that has been slightly— like that very legitimate, like element and experience, kind of almost has been, like co-opted by this. Like, I feel like I've seen multiple sketch shows, where you have the gay character who preemptively assumes homophobia or the black character who preemptively assumes, like racism, where it's like, oh, is it because I'm black? Is because I'm gay? Oh, this is I'm a woman, isn't it? And so that is become such a like, catch-all, gotcha where you can legitimately point it out without it being like, you're paranoid. You're crazy. Like— JAZZA:  Yeah, it's not because you're gay, it's because God's chose you. ROWAN:  Yeah, it's like, really— I feel like it would be a really tricky one to do, without either legitimizing the idea that like, literally the entire world is out to get you and everyone is homophobic, but also legitimizing the very real dangers and fear that can be present, and like the psychological experience of like, extreme chronic stress that you can have from this constitution, which I think is something that like a lot of marginalized people go through. But yeah, you're right, it didn't happen. So you know what— JAZZA:  Oh, well.  ROWAN:  Oh, well. JAZZA:  And then finally, let's wrap this shit up. ROWAN:  Wrap it up. Finally, finally, thank God, Eric's dead.  JAZZA:  Eric's dead. ROWAN:  Andrew killed him just in case you [56:04] it wasn't—Wen didn't kill him, Wen is in the tree house. JAZZA:  [56:08] There'll be a cool twist out of it. ROWAN:  She would have been like, I can't let you choose between—she's like still this little eight-year-old being like, fathers, daddies, I would never let you choose for that would be the most awful torture of all, I will decide which Daddy dies today. JAZZA:  I— I read, I actually kind of part of me really, really wanted that. Especially because she was really affected by the fact that all of the kids were dying from the bird flu. And I would have liked it if she just taken the gun and shot Eric in the head. but anyway. ROWAN:  Oh my god, that would been great. JAZZA:  So we have like this weird post—post-apocalyptic scenes where they go to a— they take the truck to a diner, and we are told literally by one of the NPCs.  ROWAN:  Yep.  JAZZA:  Oh, everything's gonna be okay now ROWAN:  That accent, I can only assume will be improving as you continue to live in New York. JAZZA:  I fucking hope not. And then when they return to the truck, they play—they turn on the radio and this song called Boogie Shoes comes on [57:13] which was shown in a flashback beforehand. ROWAN:  Where she looked at the camera all the time. Yeah.  JAZZA:  Yeah. Where she looks at the camera, and then they drive off. ROWAN:  The end. There was one last moment where I thought, huh, interesting. Because as far as I could tell, that's raining during that entire end sequence.  JAZZA:  Oh yeah, oh yeah. ROWAN:  And her dress and his shirt is just bone dry the entire time. Until I think they get into the cafe, and then suddenly, I think they're like, slightly damp. But I think it was just a continuity error, you know what I mean? Same with like, there's a moment where their hands get tied in front of them, but then suddenly, their hands are tied behind them stuff like that. But no, it was just continuity. It wasn't some like secret thing about reality, or what was real or a twist. It's just simply the end of the movie now. Also, I wrote down. So one of the funny things is with the burial gays trope. I did a video a while ago that essentially analyzed like these, the separate instances of like, what counts as burial gays, and what the different like most common uses for it are. And one of the really big ones in the start of like, queer representation that was being more sympathetic in sort of like the 90s and onwards, was this idea of like, the gay character dies in order to, like, teach everyone else a lesson about like, the value of life and love. And I was like, oh, no, this is like the ultimate version of don't worry, the gay one will die, but the rest of us can go on and learn to appreciate life on this planet even more. JAZZA:  [58:37]  ROWAN:  Oh, my God imagine. Truly [58:41] Four Weddings and a Funeral. Just—there's so many insane examples. My absolute favorite one is in supernatural, there are these characters called a thing they called the ghost faces. And one of them dies, and there's literally a line that's like, gay love, like save to the world. Just because like the power of gay love, like prevented the apocalypse or whatever, because he just dies. So yeah, that was the movie, that was the end. JAZZA:  Thank God.  ROWAN:  Yeah.  JAZZA:  Shall we go into ratings? ROWAN:  Let's do it. [theme] JAZZA:  When we rate each of the movies that we talk about and review on this podcast, we use the six bars of the rainbow flag and we give a certain number of bars and certain colors. Does that make sense? It will in a minute. So we can give any combination of red which means life, orange, which means healing, yellow, which means sun, green, which means nature, blue, that means harmony, and purple, that means spirit. ROWAN:  How many bars are you going to give it, Jazza? JAZZA:  I'm gonna give it yellow, and that's it. Um because— ROWAN:  [59:49] JAZZA:  The sunlight— ROWAN:  I'm also going to give it yellow and I think we have the exact same reasoning. JAZZA:  So the late—the golden hour, kind of like lighting that comes through the window. ROWAN:  Yeah, [1:00:01] JAZZA:  Shines, yesss. ROWAN:  It was tasty.  JAZZA:  It was so good. It was the only good thing about the movie and the Grasshopper scene actually. So maybe if quite liked this movie more, I did given it green as well for nature, but no, it's just getting yellow. ROWAN:  Yeah, I fully agree, and sunlight for that exact reason. It was some beautiful shots in the bathroom. That again, I was looking at and I was like, I want to find some meaning behind this. One of you is in light, one of you is in shadow. Like what's happening here? There's some interesting colors. There was a whole moment where Eric talks about seeing a figure in the light that I guess was Jesus and— JAZZA:

This episode we are joined by Molly Marsh (host of the marvellous Galactic Yo-yo podcast in which people offer up their unpopular opinions on Doctor Who) in discussing K9 Episode 5, "Sirens of Ceres", originally broadcast on 8 February 2010. "Sirens of Ceres" was written by Deborah Parsons and directed by Daniel Nettheim. Listeners can follow the podcast on Twitter at @K9BingeQuake or email feedback and comments to us at k9bingequake@gmail.com. ** Credits: Hosts - Tom Marshall (he/him) & Kevin Burnard (he/him) Guest - Molly Marsh (she/her) Editing - Kevin Burnard Theme music - Jack Guidera (he/him) Logo/Artwork - Christy Burnard (she/her) Episode recorded 28 December 2022. ** Sources: On Dave Martin (co-)creating K9 out of grief after his own dogs were run over and his thinking that they would have survived had they been "built like a tank" - Sullivan, Shannon Patrick, "The Invisible Enemy: Production", A Brief History of Time (Travel), last updated 24 January 2021. On the show being pretty much made 'in a tin shed in Brisbane' - Blum, Jonathan, "K9: You'll believe a dog can fly", LiveJournal (29 March 2010). Re: the discussion of their respective careers (longevity; other, more prestigious work; which episodes of K9 they wrote, etc.), IMDb profiles for writer Deborah Parsons, director Daniel Nettheim, and Bob Baker himself can be consulted here, here, and here. Initial announcement of the K9: TimeQuake film featuring Omega and ensuing updates - "K9 to Battle Omega in New Film 'TimeQuake'", DoctorWhoTV (24 October 2015); Foster, Chuck, "K9: TimeQuake", DoctorWhoNews (24 October 2015); "New K9 Series Announced Omega to Return," TheDoctorWhoSite (9 September 2018). Mention of 'scripts for both a new K9 film and TV series' completed by Bob Baker before his death, 'which will continue in tribute to Bob and his legacy' - statement made by Twitter user @k9official, Tweet posted 5 November 2021.

3 and a quarter years have come and gone and now it's time for James to sashay away.  To commemorate, him and Cian discuss their time together doing the pod, the best moments of Drag Race during their tenure and share the first podcast they ever recorded together.  A bumper episode for your Christmas.  Happy Christmas!

Without any further delay, the big surprise is here: the youngest podcasters we know, Host Cristina and Co-host/Sister/Researcher Sofia, announce that they are now officially cover girls!  Just like that, the Areu sisters step out of their comfort zone and get comfortable at a magazine cover photo shoot that took a village and months of planning. They did their "thing" off the runway! (Thanks, RuPaul!) VIP Hair and Makeup Artist Rose Lionetti provides great hair and makeup advice to all while helping the Areu sisters grace the 21st Anniversary issue of CATALINA magazine ... with confidence! Getting in the zone to create a cover-worthy "rock and roll" looked easy thanks to previous CATALINA VIPs, the right soundtrack, ... bombshell pink lipstick and black eyeliner. Ready to Sashay and Shante? Let's "Work it, girl!"

This week I sat down with Kristi Durkin and Beckett Kenny to talk about Kristi's strange goldfish cracker habits and the time she went to a sex club in Berlin. Kristi runs a weekly Sunday show at AliveOne called Crushes. Follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krustigirl/ Beckett has a monthly show called Sashay at The Laugh Factory in Chicago. Follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/buckettkenny/ Our live story comes from New Orleans based comic Ryan Rogers who told the crowd about the time he sexted his mom. See more from Ryan here: https://www.instagram.com/ryanarogers/ The Ladylike Podcast is produced by Gena Gephart: https://www.instagram.com/genagephart Theme song is Type of Wound by Natalie Grace Alford: https://nataliegracealford1.bandcamp.com Follow Ladylike: https://www.facebook.com/ladylikechicago https://www.instagram.com/ladylikechicago https://twitter.com/ladylikechicago Contact us: ladylikechicago@gmail.com

This week I sat down with Beckett Kenny to hear about an altercation he had at a dispensary. Beckett has a monthly show called Sashay at The Laugh Factory in Chicago. Follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/buckettkenny/ TW: Beckett briefly mentions being molested. Our live story comes from Meg Indurti who told the crowd about her medically tight vagina. Meg is an LA based comic and contributor to The New Yorker. Follow her here: https://www.instagram.com/megindurti/ The Ladylike Podcast is produced by Gena Gephart: https://www.instagram.com/genagephart Theme song is Type of Wound by Natalie Grace Alford: https://nataliegracealford1.bandcamp.com Follow Ladylike: https://www.facebook.com/ladylikechicago https://www.instagram.com/ladylikechicago https://twitter.com/ladylikechicago Contact us: ladylikechicago@gmail.com

[@ 4 min] This week… in the OBS ‘Hall of Fame', we dive into the career and legacy of the greatest dramatic soprano born in 20th century Sweden (whose name doesn't rhyme with “Schmear-git Hilsson”)… [@ 48 min] Plus, in the ‘Two Minute Drill'… A different Swedish soprano is inducted into a German Hall of Fame, a place less exclusive than the OBS ‘HOF'… operaboxscore.com facebook.com/obschi1 @operaboxscore IG operaboxscore

Sashay, shante, panther on the runway! It's time to grab the needle and thread... or maybe just a hot glue gun... and strut your best garment on the runway! Will their looks be the hot new trend on the RuPaul Pinterest board, or will they leave you looking for a new saloon to serve drinks at? Only these legends know for sure!Another week has passed dear listeners, and it's a new day in the Werk Room, so Pat is ready to dish the dirt and sip some tea with a new guest host! On this week's episode, Pat is joined by a fellow Chicago drag race fan, James. Before they dive into this week's episode, it's a bit of a travel back in time to find out what James thinks of this season so far. From there, the conversation turns to this week's episode. From the queens reacting to the top two, Viv's disappointment in not receiving a Legendary Legend Star, to Jinkx feeling like she's ahead of the game being blocked twice, the Werk Room is full of drama. Then it's time for RuPaul to enter with this week's maxi challenge. The queens are tasked with taking one of RuPaul's signature Legendary Legend looks from her Pinterest board and turn it into a brand new look that mixes classic Ru with the legendary winner's style. Did the queens serve it up on the runway? Listen in to find out what Pat and James think! Before they sign off, they share their picks for the final two of the season!Grab your wig and heels, 'cause we're bringing you another fabulous episode of Drag is the New Spandex! Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/flameon. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

It's June- and with  summer, comes Pride!  RuPaul's Drag Race veterans Bob the Drag Queen, Shangela, and BeBe Zahara Benet join Leila and Hana to talk about appropriation, forgiveness, drag names, and culture. Y'all better sashay on over here!

Rupaul's Drag Race season 7 standout Max was on top of the world but in 2018, they put down their drag. What happened? Host Joseph Shepherd sits down with Max Malanaphy for Max's first interview in almost 4 years and nothing is off limits. Hear about that stage singing moment, what led to their disappearance from the drag scene, their crush on Trixie, and so much more. Sashay to the play button and put on your gray hair or this exclusive interview with Max.

"No box has ever been the same on 'RuPaul's Drag Race,'" alum and surprise contestant Shangela told 'Exposed: Dragged Out' host Joseph Shepherd. And she's certainly right — despite being eliminated early during Season 2 of the series, the queen cemented icon status returning in Season 3... and by following up that appearance with a role in 'A Star Is Born' and a series on HBO, 'We're Here.' But how did she get there? She tells all to Joseph during The Dipp's latest episode of Exposed: Dragged Out. Sashay your way to that play button!

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This week Paris Sashay joins No Need for Apologies! They discuss condoms in church, recording relationship arguments, how Paris made her dog homophobic, wearing Kobe's as a benchwarmer, stuffing cats, how American flags are the new burning cross, girls draining wing sauce out of her BBL, indoor vs. outdoor relationships, Paris having to parent her relatives, deconstructing prank shows, the real meaning of Bombaclot, flashing your bird onstage, and playing the new game “do they need a cut?”. I know we say this every week, but this a WILD ONE you can't miss. HOW TO HELP US GROW:1. Like This and every Video2. Comment for the Algorithm 3. Subscribe on YouTube4. Subscribe on your Podcast App of Choice5. Review and Rate 5 Stars on said App6. Share with a Friend or on Social Media "Hey check out this podcast?!"7. Come back Next week and Repeat!Are you truly Black Air Force 1 Gang?(Merch): https://podcastmerch.com/collections/no-need-for-apologies“NNFA” is a GaS DIGITAL PRODUCTION. The newest 15 episodes are always free! But if you want access to all the Episodes, Uncensored, in Full HD, AND a Week Earlier! Go to https://gasdigitalnetwork.com/NNFAUse Code: NNFA for $1.50 off your GaS Digital subscription as it really helps the show Black Ass Comedy Show LiveStream!https://gasdigitalnetwork.com/events/ "its a movie every week" Comedians Dave Temple and Derek Gaines are two Opinionated, Argumentative, Best Friends who love getting their points across; even if they're entirely wrong. Listen to these two goofballs discuss various topics ranging from Pop Culture to what's going on in their personal life and break them down in an unapologetic fashion. Follow the Squad on Social Media:Dave TempleInstagram- https://www.instagram.com/imdavetemple/Website- https://www.davetemplecomedy.com/Derek GainesInstagram- https://rb.gy/3okmfe Twitter- https://rb.gy/ovoex8 (Pickles the Producer)Dylan NegriInstagram- https://rb.gy/cxqtac Twitter- https://rb.gy/rg4jj9 Don't forget to subscribe to our channel and to GaS Digital. The newest 15 episodes are always free, but if you want access to all the archives, watch live, chat live, access to the forums, and get the show five (5!) days before it comes out everywhere else—you can subscribe now at https://gasdigitalnetwork.com and use the code NNFA to save 15% on the entire network.#ParisSashay #noneedforapologies #NNFA #derekgaines #davetempleDave Temple and Derek Gaines Are both Rising comedy stars who call NEW YORK home. You may have seen Derek on THE LAST OG or MTV”S “BROKE ASS GAME SHOW” or as Theodore in WILL & GRACE. The pair have both respectively been featured on COMEDY CENTRAL, TBS, NETFLIX, CBS, FOX, MTV, LAST COMIC STANDING and THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JIMMY FALLON. Also Catch Derek Gaines in the New PETE DAVIDSON movie “THE KING OF STATEN ISLAND” Out Now!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Shae Frichette is the Co-owner and Assistant Winemaker at Frichette Winery, a limited-production winery and tasting room in Washington State's Red Mountain AVA. She is the Head Winemaker for Sashay, her label that focuses on approachable reds and off-dry rosés using Columbia Valley AVA wine grapes. Shae is also currently Chair of the Board of the Tri-Cities Regional Chamber of Commerce and has served on the Board of Directors for the Red Mountain AVA Alliance, Visit Tri-Cities, and Advisory Board for UW Foster School of Business.      Shae completed Wine & Spirits Education Trust (WSET) Level 2 and an introductory Course and Exam to Court of Master Sommeliers. She is the recipient of the 2015 ATHENA Young Professional Award, the 2015 Entrepreneurial Award, and was a Rising Star inductee to the Mid-Columbia Ag Hall of Fame. She's also a graduate of the Leadership Tri-Cities Class XX. Outside of the wine industry, Shae is a Mentor with eMERGE, a STEM-based leadership program for girls. She is an active volunteer with the American Heart Association, hosting an annual fundraising and awareness event. She also founded the Benton City Wineries Giving Garden Project, where more than a dozen wineries grow food and provide financial donations to the local food bank. As a community advocate, Shae volunteers by sharing wine and wine education for more than twenty nonprofits in the Tri-Cities area each year. She's active in speaking at conferences and events on topics such as networking, providing stellar service, and teambuilding. In this episode… How do you craft a brand that's grounded in your community while still being its own unique establishment? What does it take to attract like-minded customers to your business? With years of volunteer experience under her belt, Shae Frichette knew she had to cohesively blend her winery's values, her personal values, and the values of the customer in order to make an impact across the community. How did she achieve this? Shae reflected on what she wanted to see in her area and used that as a driving force for her brand. And instead of taking on the task alone, Shae suggests collaborating with other local businesses in an effort to serve others and celebrate the growth of your community. In this episode of VINTed, Scout Driscoll talks with Shae Frichette, Co-owner and Assistant Winemaker at Frichette Winery, about drawing in the right customers and connecting with your community. Shae shares her story of working in the corporate world to starting a winery with her partner, the lessons she learned early on in the winery, and her tips for leveraging brand opportunity while serving others.

Alaska and Willam are back this week to talk about all things conjecture, gossip, but most importantly Lady Gaga's new Vogue photo spread. Plus they are joined by the queen of internet gossip: Bussy Queen to talk about clickbait, retractions, and discord. And there's nothing like a good deep dive in the DM's…from the cave with love. Listen to Race Chaser Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus Follow us on IG at @racechaserpod and click the link in bio for a list of organizations you can donate to in support of Black Lives Matter Rainbow Spotlight: Crazy by Nick Rashad Burroughs FOLLOW ALASKA https://twitter.com/Alaska5000 https://www.instagram.com/theonlyalaska5000 https://www.facebook.com/AlaskaThunder https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vnKqhNky1BcWqXbDs0NAQ FOLLOW WILLAM https://twitter.com/willam https://www.instagram.com/willam https://www.facebook.com/willam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrO9hj5VqGJufBlVJy-8D1g RACE CHASER IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week's episode, Mrs. Kasha Davis stops by to be Exposed by host Joseph Shepherd. Hear all the tea from season 7, her sobriety, starting a children's show, and so much more. Sashay away to the play button!

Rupaul's Drag Race season 7 standout Max was on top of the world but in 2018, they put down their drag. What happened? Host Joseph Shepherd sits down with Max Malanaphy for Max's first interview in almost 4 years and nothing is off limits. Hear about that stage singing moment, what led to their disappearance from the drag scene, their crush on Trixie, and so much more. Sashay to the play button and put on your gray hair or this exclusive interview with Max.

Are you looking for the perfect valentine? Look no further than the latest queen on 'Exposed: Dragged Out': Drag Race UK's Cherry Valentine. She was on the frontlines of the COVID pandemic and is now solely concentrating on her drag and new touring company. Check out Joseph's interview with Cherry below, in which she chats about her unexpected elimination, starting her own traveling tour company, what we could have expected from her Monster runway, and so much more. Sashay your way to that play button!

Are you ready for a little Kimono action? 'Exposed: Dragged Out' host Joseph Shepherd is joined by Laila McQueen to chat all things Season 8 of the series including the shocking surprise that met her at her hotel door, the night of 1,000 Madonnas and how she has gone behind the scenes in the HBO We're Here.'She tells all to Joseph during The Dipp's latest episode of Exposed: Dragged Out. Sashay your way to that play button!

"No box has ever been the same on 'RuPaul's Drag Race,'" alum and surprise contestant Shangela told 'Exposed: Dragged Out' host Joseph Shepherd. And she's certainly right — despite being eliminated early during Season 2 of the series, the queen cemented icon status returning in Season 3... and by following up that appearance with a role in 'A Star Is Born' and a series on HBO, 'We're Here.' But how did she get there? She tells all to Joseph during The Dipp's latest episode of Exposed: Dragged Out. Sashay your way to that play button!

Just because you're eliminated first on 'RuPaul's Drag Race' doesn't mean you can't become an icon. Look no further than the latest subject of 'Exposed: Dragged Out': Jaymes Mansfield. How did she keep the momentum going after her elimination? Check out Joseph's interview with Jaymes below, in which she chats about starring on 'Drag Race's first season on Vh1, the bad advice Lady Gaga gave her, and so much more. Sashay your way to that play button!

We only got 35 min with Paris but EVERY minute is worth watching. She's one of my favorite comedians and people and she's fucking hilarious and never holds back. She made time got us while bouncing from one gig to another in the rain and we discuss her upcoming projects, her advice on being bold, not giving a fuck, and relationships pre and post pandemic. Enjoy!

Step into your drag time machines: In this week's episode, Joseph is headed all the way back to Season 7 of 'RuPaul's Drag Race' to interview Tempest DuJour, the very first outcast of what's turned out to be quite an unpopular season. During the chat, Tempest talks about her career as a professor, what it was like filming a 'Drag Race' promo after being eliminated(!), how the show changed her career, and so much more. Sashay your way to that play button!

"Sashay away." You know what those two words mean: Somewhere, a drag queen is going home. And TV personality and 'RuPaul's Drag Race' fanatic Joseph Shepherd is here to let those Queens tell their stories. Each week, Joseph will chat with your favorite queens from across the 'Drag Race' universe — international editions included. The one thing they have in common? They all went home way too early. So sashay your way over to that play button and enjoy 'Exposed: Dragged Out'!

One of the most creative people I know, Sashay Shontee, shares her experience in growing multiple products/services in multiple industries. She shares her annual Prom Giveaway and how she has infused philanthropy into her business. Take away: Learn how to talk to people and if you can call, don't text. IG: sashayshontee TikTok: sashayshontee --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/jet-lashea/message

It's Hiatus Two: Grogu Boogaloo on this week's Nonplussed! Last week, we tackled Marvel news from Investor Day. This week, we tackle Star Wars! We tell you other people's news about the news about Star Wars. And if that's not Peak Geek Culture, I don't know what is. Also don't worry about Josh, his throat is dry because of “Cedar Fever.” That's a real thing. G'head, Google it. It *should* be SFW.  Yeah, I just checked, it is.  Punch it! Full Investor Day Rundown: https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/disney-investor-day-2020-announcements.html New in Feb from CNET: https://www.cnet.com/news/disney-plus-everything-coming-in-february-2021/ Patty Jenkins, Reporting for Duty: https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1337177394625478656  Kiwis in Space, via The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21246620/new-star-wars-movie-taika-waititi-disney-plus-series-leslye-headland The High Republic is here: https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-high-republic-is-here The future of Lucasfilm: https://www.starwars.com/news/future-lucasfilm-projects-revealed Oh THAT Jedi, via Variety: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/star-wars-spinoffs-ahsoka-tano-disney-plus-1234850885/ Booka Bobafett? Sashay, away stay!: https://www.starwars.com/news/the-book-of-boba-fett Bad Batch Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9DIxdB198 Andor, but never both: https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/10/22168641/star-wars-andor-cassian-disney-plus-2022-diego-luna  Literally everything you can know about Obi-Wan Kenobi from CNET: https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-disney-plus-obi-wan-kenobi-show-release-date-plot-cast-ewan-mcgregor-hayden-christensen/ All other research and references completed using Wikipedia, StarWars.com, and Wookiepedia. ----- Use code nonplussed for $10 off after your first order of $25 or more, when you download Tavour from your app store today! -- We're a part of the Mischief Media podcast network now! To check out their full slate of shows, search for the network name in your podcast app of choice or visit mischiefmedia.com.  -- And if you like what you hear and want more, check out the Mischief Media Patreon at patreon.com/makingmischief! ----- Drop us a line! Email: submissions@nonplussedpod.com   Twitter/Facebook/Instagram: @nonplussedpod   -- Produced and hosted by Clancy Canto and Josh Wittge in conjunction with Mischief Media.    Edited by Josh Wittge.   Theme Music: "Quirky Dog" by Kevin MacLeod. Check out more tunes at https://incompetech.com.