Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss a new Sydney Sweeney ad for American Eagle. Is saying “my jeans are blue” a dog whistle? Or is “dog whistle” a 21st-century term for finding outrage in absolutely anything? Speaking of, you can count on the New York Times to detail another thing men are doing wrong. This week we talk “mankeeping!”But most of this episode concerns one Billy Joel, whose HBO doc has thrust him in the spotlight again. Why do critics hate him so much? Like REALLY, REALLY hate him? We have thoughts! It's a conversation about art, criticism, envy, and the joy of singing along.Also discussed:* Wikifeet!* We want to eat cute widdle baby feet* Sarah is a volunteer “man-keeper”* What wine moms will never admit to* Josh Hepola, Captain Mansplainer* Retired men and coffee shops: it's a thing* Don Henley is handsome* “Schlock-n-roll”* Sarah tweets from a Target Superstore; mistakes were made* Smoke ‘Em gals are pro-Eagles* Nancy likes a mosh pit, does not recognize Shakespeare* Do not tell people you're a bestselling author* Billy Joel Lyrics Quiz!Plus, the song that made Sarah weep in the car this week, what Sarah learned from Jon Ronson's Twitter, “the quality of mercy is not strained” and much more!Reminder: First Sunday Zoom! Aug 3, 8pm ET / 5pm PT. Paid subscribers only. Link the day-of.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss a recent viral essay in NYT magazine called “The Trouble With Wanting Men.” Nancy had a meltdown reading this story, while Sarah saw romantic problems she recognized as well as behavior designed to fail. The two ladies talk about a vogue for female bitchery, a lack of grace in women's voices, and whether men and women can ever repair the anger and resentment that's erupted between them — at least online.Also discussed:* The time Nancy's mom bought Black Sabbath PARANOID on 8-track* That time Ozzy peed on the Alamo* diddle-diddle-diddle* Sarah propositions Kat Rosenfield, mispronounces her last name (again)* Maybe that Mars/Venus guy was onto something* Sarah wept through the Kavanaugh hearings* “Why didn't you tell me you had a uterus?”* Girlboss versus YouPorn; YouPorn wins* Cormac McCarthy lunges from ambush* Sarah negs Nancy, proves that negging works …* Open marriages, oy* “Bratty sub”* Nancy does not want a man to bend to her whims* A debate over the word “thrill”* That Texas Monthly flood essay, damn* Nancy gives advice to overheated feminists* Sarah waxes sociological about equality and same-sex relationships* “hermeneutic labor” is …?* All snuggle, all the timePlus, what Sarah wants Nancy to read her on her deathbed, Pedro Pascal is too much with us, Christopher Hitchens on Bill Clinton, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the viral story of the week: Astronomer CEO Andy Byron and head of HR Kristin Cabot get caught cuddling on camera at a Coldplay concert. Who are these people, and why do we care? Good question! Celebrity in the 21st century is a relative term, and this story raises questions about surveillance, social-media Schadenfreude, the danger of online sleuthing, and why we have Kiss Cams in the first place.The ladies also talk about a NYT story on how decadence at Peak Conde Nast is reminiscent of the fall of Rome. (Hint: There will be elephants.)Also discussed:* Ice cream got too complicated.* Death by Grok* Why is there a Kiss Cam at a Coldplay concert?* WHAT WOULD YOU DO? A hypothetical on Kiss Cams.* Sarah's salty texts with Oscar Isaac* Don't you go dipping into Nancy's DMs* What Succession teaches us about shareholders* “Blow-in cards”* Sarah's Columbia Records & Tapes scam* Expectations of privacy when having illicit affair* Nancy has not read Pride and Prejudice* Rock music critics have dopey prejudices* That $475k Vanity Fair photo shoot* The New Yorker, not really a money-maker* Who is the real Conde Nast?* Sarah makes Nancy blush* Pam Colloff, the GOAT of longform* … But is the tampon singing?Plus, love for 30 Rock, the writer who made $12 a word, why you should reach out to friends (and strangers), and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are stumbling into land mines — quickly! — in this episode, where a convo about Jennifer Love Hewitt's recent turn in the spotlight proves the ladies don't even agree on that. It's hard to talk about women and their bodies: Fat vs. curvy, skinny vs. anorexic, body positive vs. morbidly obese, Ozempic-face vs. mom-bod, Lena Dunham vs. #SkinnyTok. How the ladies discuss these subjects may offend some people (warning: a lot of boob talk), but maybe it's time to stop taking such easy offense on a vital and complicated subject. As Sarah says, “It's a weird time to have a body.”NOTE: Want to judge our appearance? Only fair. Join us on our YouTube channel.In the second half of the show, we ask: Will the Epstein story be what splits MAGA?Also discussed:* A plague of mosquitos!* Sarah is a sensitive flower; Nancy is pigeon-toed* Love for The Dumb Zone* How is Lena Dunham like Woody Allen?* Sarah's “absolute milk sheds”* The miracle of “nursing boobs”* “We have all these conversations about guys and their dicks” (???)* Liv Schmidt, a 23-year-old influencer who looks exactly like you assume* Shame, the most powerful motivator* The getting-our-period anecdotes no one wanted to hear* Respect: Nancy's dad loved Helen Mirren* Props to Tina Brown* Stalin: hot or not?* A moral telling of a tragic storyPlus, true-crime talk, coming around on Ozempic, the time Sarah flashed an 80-year-old at Oktoberfest, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comEli Lake, host of the Breaking History podcast, loves America. But what does that mean? We discuss the long unfinished experiment of our country, and the fashionable anti-semitism that's swept colleges/the youngs, or as Eli calls them, “barista socialists.” We talk about how elite colleges fell apart, when the left becomes violent, and why valuing ideology over human lives is never a good look.Also discussed:* Eli's July 4 AI song is a BOP* Sarah tells Nancy she “looks older,” this goes over great * We knew we'd made it on YouTube when …* Commenter warns: DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO!!* Eli explains how he makes his bangin' AI songs* Third rails and Gen Xers* Spy Magazine!!!* Sarah doesn't want to make Eli the point-person on antisemitism but …* “You suck, Bob Vylan!”* How shockingly close boredom is to death lust * “It goes back to the Books of the Maccabees…”* NYC mayoral politics: “Vote for the felon or for the fedayeen.”* The bill has come due for radical academics* Does Bernadine Dohrn deserve eternal contempt? Let's discuss!* “Who is Menachem Begin?”* What young actor should play Ted Bundy?* Sarah has a FOURTH OF JULY SURPRISE!Plus, heroes of the Texas floods, a Monica Lewinsky theory from the Middle East, Sarah falls asleep listening to serial killer narratives, and much more!We're PROUD to call you a paid subscriber. Now you just have to, umm, become one.You can listen to Eli's entire July 4 episode, but if you want to choke up and hear Eli's bangin' “If You Don't Leave (We Gonna Fight),” start here (47:49)

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comDan Savage: What better person to explain the mess that is the P Diddy trial? The “Savage Love” columnist/podcaster chats with Sarah and Nancy about the hip-hop mogul's fetishes, OCD kinksters, the troubling statute of limitations on domestic abuse, and the dangerous elasticity of the term “sex trafficking.” This one is fascinating, fraught, and taught us a lot!Also discussed:* “It's not RICO, it's FREAK-O!”* Dan stans Steve & Eydie* Sarah is a little cinnamon, Nancy's straight-up vanilla* White parties started in gay culture?* “A moment of silence for the staff of these hotels…”* Clive Owens gets swapped with Clive Davis in a WILD WAY* “There's something Caligula about Combs …”* It's all about the glisten* “Sex always wins.”* Hotwifing??* “I got cheated on, YAHTZEE!”* “Pity sex is not rape”* Men find their kinks at 15, women at 35* Very tricky: Consent versus coercion* “Good giving and game” might needs some corrections/clarifications* The case for decriminalization of sex work* The moral panic of “sex trafficking”* The elasticity of the word “rape”Plus, some (qualified) props for Monica Lewinsky, Sarah pouts because Nancy's going on a date with another Sarah, New Orleans cops know all the lyrics to "Fairytale of New York,” and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah debate a Modern Love column called, “Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.” Nancy is gagging. Sarah thinks it's an imperfect swing in the right direction. Who will reign supreme? Eh, they both have a point. Also, the girls go deep on Karen Read, blackouts and causes celebre.Also discussed:* Nancy's new nickname: Maidenform!* New York, a socialist utopia?* Be a YouTube subscriber, either because or despite our promise to only wear bras* The Hepola trifecta: cops, excessive drinking, and blackouts* Karen Read: Where to begin?* No, really: Blackouts, blackouts, blackouts!!* The defense lawyers are experts in… Kevin Spacey?!* More people need jobs* Are men “hiding” — if so, from what?* Sarah gets rant-y about dating apps* Nancy gets rant-y about female whining* A male listener's fraught text exchange with a woman* “What is your role in this?”* When heading to possible war, learn about previous wars* William Langewiesche, revisited* Osama bin Laden was a rich kid

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by Katie Herzog, co-host of the Blocked and Reported podcast and author of an up-and-coming book on quitting booze, Drink Yourself Sober. They talk about getting canceled, navigating public backlash, and why Katie's drinking tale is different from Sarah's — she used Naltrexone, an opioid-blocker, to help quit. They discuss AA, the meaning of the word “alcoholic,” the nature of addiction, and why there's no wrong way to get sober.Also on tap:* Jesse Singal, analyzed* If you walk into the online arena, expect to get gored* Helen Lewis, epic BARpod co-host* Dan Savage is brilliant, but can he help us understand “freak offs”? (Please?)* The Onion was once sold for $10,000?* Andy Mills, top-tier man!* Missing Twitter, pre-Elon* Do NOT type your name into BlueSky * When Katie realized she had a drinking problem* “Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn't done so yet”* Sarah breastfed until what age?* The Sinclair method* Fun drunk v. sleepy drunk* The tragic death of Jonathan Joss* Sarah was Katie's AA sensitivity reader* Naltrexone, the Ozempic of booze* Sarah learns a new phrase: “pharmacological extinction”* “My life is monumentally better than when I was drinking”* AA founder Bill Wilson = weirder than you think* Writing a recovery book is a weird form of insurance* GETTING FREE* That Salon personal essay Katie can't get off the Internet* Piled on by Milo Yiannapoulos, oh the irony* Katie is fine being cringe* RIP, William LangewiescheSo much wisdom in this podcast, but the best parts are for paid subscribers

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comIt's hot, it's June, and there's mayhem in a major American city, this time Los Angeles. Nancy lived through the Rodney King riots, and though LA will hopefully not explode thusly, Nancy is heading there to cover the action. Want to help her? You can.In other news, the Musk-Trump bromance imploded last week. Sarah has theories about the timing of certain tweets and deletions, in addition to what might come next. She catches us up on the Manhattan re-trial of Harvey Weinstein, who did not take the stand in his defense, though he did give a news interview. Verdict incoming — maybe this week!Also discussed:* SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE, especially if you're a woman* Nancy's had it with the Trump nicknaming* Looking for some conspiracy theories? We got ‘em* “Green troll hair on the sour cream”* No dramatic hyperbolic yelling, please, Sarah's still waking up* Jared Leto: Ick or hot?* Citizen: Protect the World app sounds kinda cool* Benjamin Franklin was a lot of things, but he was not a bangin' father* “Women with broken dreams …”* Changing the names of battleships is hard, explained* Please don't mention Faces of DeathPlus, big love for The Dumb Zone, props to the brotherhood of the foxhole, another installment of “Let's Be the Judge!” and more!Our bromance only gets better when you become a paid subscriber.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBrooke Siem is the author of the 2022 memoir, May Cause Side Effects, about the decade and a half she spent on anti-depressants (prescribed after her father died when she was 15) and what happened when she ditched them. Sarah is currently on anti-depressants, though she wonders whether she needs them. Nancy is not on SSRIs, though she was part of a gentle brigade who nudged Sarah to increase her dosage last year. This is a complicated knot! The ladies talk about over-medication, how cultural taboos migrate, and the problem with treating sadness, anger, frustration — very human emotions — with a pill. Also discussed:* Nancy suddenly cares about the Navy; Sarah questions this* That time Brooke wore a foxy denim jumper* “Chemical imbalance” is a hoodwink* The “Come Out of the Dark Campaign” meant to eradicate depression stigma leads to an explosion of SSRI prescriptions* SSRIs and orgasm* The opiate epidemic tracks with the anti-depressant era * “Chemical castration” didn't start with puberty blockers …* 70s-80s Ritalin vogue* Related: Does Ritalin suppress male growth?* Hold up: a link between transitioning genders and SSRIs?* Drinking and depression, a tangled saga* “Headaches are caused by an Advil deficiency”* Beware Wellbutrin* Gothic SSRI withdrawal* “I never boned a cabbie … that I'm aware of.”* That time Sarah went hypomanic …* 1 in 4 American women are on anti-depressants* The hormones and menopause of it all* “Fuck you, person at Whole Foods!”* Big Pharma / Big Food = same playbook, different expression* “Do you bake with yeast?”* WTF with Pol Pot?Plus, boozy cupcakes, a coyote sighting, was Tom Cruise right about pharmaceuticals — and much more!This one's a banger! Listen to the whole shebang when you become a paid subscriber.

Hello, mighty listeners and readers. This post is free for all, with an ask: Please subscribe to our new YouTube channel. Even better, watch/listen on the YT. Smooch!Nancy has a “virus of unknown origin” while Sarah is rarin' to go on a story she sunk her teeth into years ago: the trials of Harvey Weinstein, this time, his current NYC re-trial for criminal sexual acts. (His previous NY conviction was overturned in April 2024.)The Weinstein case is interesting, because most people think they know it, but they really just know the salacious details and hype of early-#MeToo media stories. The criminal case against Weinstein — particularly in New York, though he was convicted in LA, too — is a murkier thing, littered with ambiguous exchanges, years-long relationships and rides on private planes. Weinstein may be a “sexual pig, an opportunist, a philanderer and a bully,” but does that mean the women accusing him played no role in this? And if not, what does that say about all that women's “empowerment” we keep hearing about? Also discussed:* Ethan Strauss brings the rain* Is Taylor Lorenz monstrous? Troubled? Both? Nancy and Sarah discuss* Sarah used to make jokes about crack babies (in college, y'all!) * Rejected from a threesome? Yeah, that happened* Ronan Farrow: It all begins with mom* “Candace Rogan” ???* 2020: Let's not put people in prison! Also 2020: Men accused of #MeToo crimes should go to prison!* Who will play Jessica Mann in the “American Crime Story” version of the Weinstein trials? Who, Harvey?* Should Harvey take the stand? * Gloria Allred's daughter learned from the best* Sarah does not have an extra-large vagina* The sigh of Russell Brand exhaustion* Diddy may be going to prison forever* The genius of Don DeLilloPlus, Sarah and Nancy discover they both just started gardens from seeds (so satisfying!), Polish women are the hottest on the planet, cunnilingus as weapon, and much more!First Sunday Zoom is this Sunday! June 1, 8pmET/5pmPT. Paid subscribers (come on, now!) get link the day-of.Real empowerment comes from being a paid subscriberMeanwhile over on YouTube …Episode Notes: So this happened:How it started/how it's going“Exclusive interview: Harvey Weinstein's youngest accuser speaks out” (News Nation Now interview with Kaja Sokola) “Weinstein Trial to Shift to Defense After 3rd Accuser's Striking Account,” by Hurubie Meko (New York Times)“Medical expert talks about erectile dysfunction shot at Harvey Weinstein's NYC sex assault retrial” (New York Daily News)Yes, we've been down this road…… and yet there seems always more to learn from the pivots and how they are/are not explained to the public“Harvey Weinstein and the Death Rattle of #MeToo,” by Kat Rosenfield (Free Press)Forty Bucks and a Dream: Stories from Los Angeles, by Nancy RommelmannWhat's in your hot box?Sarah:Nancy:Libra, by Don DeLillo This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comREMINDER: Subscribe to our YouTube channel (it's free). Even better: Watch it.Happy Memorial Day! Nancy and Sarah discuss a Columbia Journalism Review bombshell about the alleged sexual misdeeds of journalist Wes Lowery, who shot to fame during the Black Lives Matter era and is perhaps best known for popularizing the idea of journalism guided by “moral certainty.” This is hot one! Sarah gets kneejerk over blackout confusion, Nancy doesn't understand “situationships,” and they argue over the definition of “glory hole.” Whether Lowery is guilty of these misdeeds we can't say, but we both hope #metoo stories start to pivot away from “tearing someone down” to pointing to a better way to engage with people you love/bone/covet/teach/mentor/etc.Also discussed:* The latest Mission: Impossible — wanna guess who liked it?* A blender full of stunts, frappéd* When did we start celebrating Memorial Day?* The smell of a nuclear submarine (let's ask Sarah's brother)* SLEEP BUFFET!!!!* Ken Burns' theory on binary thinking shaped by computer code* Fifth Column + Lowery = “exactly what you want from mega-minds”* Buying a woman a drink: Predatory behavior — or kick-ass?* Do people get roofied? Yes, but way less than hype suggests* How dating fell apart* Assholes vs. criminals / regret sex vs. rape* The sad and endless hamster wheel of the compulsively sexual male* When Sarah was a drunk bully …* Slutdom during Nancy's “Eddie Vedder years”* Rise of violence on on the left: To be continued!Plus, Nancy has a request for sociopaths, Sarah makes a hopeless pass at Douglas Murray — and much more!Memorialize the day you became a paid subscriber…

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comEthan Strauss is a straight shooter in a (slightly) crooked profession. As a writer who follows sports and culture, the Substacker and podcaster has a land grab on pointing out things that others have become reluctant to acknowledge. He talks with Nancy and Sarah about the contradictions of the WNBA, the popularity of Caitlin Clark and the reluctance of sneaker brands to give her a shoe (at least first), how men have changed the audience for women's sports, and NBA teams as a mini-Game of Thrones, replete with palace intrigue. We also discuss Bill Belichick and his very young girlfriend Jordon Hudson, third-runner-up to Miss Maine.REMINDER: Don't forget our whisper-soft launch over on YouTube! Please subscribe to the SMOKE EM channel, which costs you nothing and brings us joy. Also discussed:* “Nancy knows she's a narcissist”* When selfies kill (mostly men) …* Do all sports announcers sound like Marv Albert?* Why authors hated when Stanley Kubrick made movies of their books* Sports betting meets the WNBA* “Girls can do anything” era meets “Girls can't win” era* Vanessa Bryant, Kobe Bryant's widow, may NOT the best person to negotiate the future of her late husband's brand, but please don't aggregate this.* Sorry, Dirk, we don't buy shoes for centers* Luka, the hot girlfriend Dallas lost* Why people can't leave Bill Belichick's age gap relationship alone* “Did he get a real blowjob, and lose his mind?”* The most romantic philosophy book Belichick ever signed* Viagra, the body hack with consequences* That time Sarah matched with a silver fox who was 72 …* The Boomers won't leave!* Did Kerry really love Logan on Succession?* The problem of an aging father who is also single* Which former NFL superstar hangs around Dallas's Katy Trail without his shirt on, chatting up the ladies?* The surprisingly tender story of Anna Nicole Smith's old rich husband* The best role Tom Cruise ever played, and it's not MagnoliaPlus, why Nike should have made an ad about girl dads, that time Nancy discovered Steve Nash, Ethan doesn't know how Australians learn to read, and much more!NOTE: Ethan's new show, RANDOM OFFENSE, premieres this Friday at 4pmET/1pmPT. Fancy Pommelmann will be there, and you come too!LOVE WINS, when you become a paid subscriber.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBefore we talk about this episode: Pretty-please go to YouTube and subscribe to our new channel. It costs you nothing! It could give you so much joy! Now, on to the show:Nancy and Sarah go deep on the Sean Combs case, thus inspiring them to slap the first warning label on a Smoke ‘Em episode. This one's explicit! It's also sad, confusing, funny-depressing, one more cautionary tale about fame, money, and power. They talk about the recent conviction of Gerard Depardieu, the one-time Casanova of French cinema who confessed in the course of his trial that he was “ill suited for the current era.”Also discussed:* Age of consent laws are wild* France reckons five years later* Zut alors, the jerk lawyer in that Depardieu case!* Nancy needs seven showers* Mise en place, mise en scene …* Cowboys 4 Angels* Baby oil, so much baby oil* Dan Savage, you're our last hope* “But I don't want to go to a Brazilian steakhouse!”* The backstory behind that violent March 2016 footage in the hotel* Beware the scared man who fears his woman is getting too powerful* Does the public have a right to see Diddy freak-off footage? Nancy: Yes. Sarah: No. Wanna guess who would watch it, though?* Nancy flirts with victim-blaming, pulls back from the brink* Send hate mail to Gavin de Becker* But what is sex trafficking?* Nancy tells a tragic story about an old acquaintance* A drinking problem starts as a drinking solutionPlus, the book that is blowing Sarah's mind, Nancy's magical trip to a land before time, altogether too much freaking off, and much more!Because we'll never cover you in baby oil (unless you ask nice) — become a paid subscriber

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comPoet and author Nick Flynn joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about poems that blew his mind, the destabilizing experience of watching your life re-enacted in a movie (his memoir Another Bullshit Night in Suck City became Being Flynn with Robert DeNiro, Julianne Moore, and Paul Dano), why DeNiro demanded Nick be on set, riding in a limo to said set with the young Dano, and why white male writers are alive and well, at least in the classes he teaches.“The poets I've met are assholes,” Sarah confesses to Nick, although upon further reflection, it's more like the assholes really stand out. Nick isn't friends with assholes, but he does know many amazing poets, including Marie Howe, who just won the Pulitzer. Also discussed:* Sarah hates poetry, then proceeds to recite poetry* Nick defends Robert Frost* Pantyhose vending machines at Hooters* The surprising diversity, art/dining scene of Houston* Nick reads “Bag of Mice,” blows our minds* “Aristotle did not promise writing would be cathartic”* The greatness of Lili Taylor, better known to Nick as his wife* Who will play Nancy in the movie?* What's Amy Adams doing in, oh-say, two or three years?* Houston museums! Iranian films! Barn dance! * Sinners is a must-see, but…* … not a lot of love for Black Panther on this podcastPlus, Nick yells at a marriage therapist, why making stuff is dangerous, a rare sighting of Nancy's daughter in the wild, and much more!Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not become a paid subscriber — oh no, wait you can:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comStop what you are doing and subscribe to Smoke ‘Em's new YouTube! Right now yes thank you. On to our regular program!Nancy and Sarah are joined by culture critic/novelist Kat Rosenfield to talk about who we can blame for our current morass: Social media? Heterodox thinkers? Everyone? The trio end up discussing the difference between activism and storytelling, what it means to be “disingenuous,” Kat's Twitter beef with Cathy Young, writer's envy (or maybe just Sarah's envy), and Kat's long-promised kimono, a gift for her most-frequent-guest status, which has not been bought yet (ed note: Sarah glares at Nancy). Trump's 100 Days: How did we get here? And if we all got into this together, can we get out together, too?Also discussed:* Three votes for the moon* Surprise cat appearance!* Trump “corrupts his allies and deranges his opponents in a way that makes the culture worse.”* Why categorizing anyone as “anti-anti Trump” is axiomatically corrupt* Ambiguity frightens people. * Losing friends for speaking up* Dick Cavett, the Joe Rogan of his day* Politics as a litmus test for moral character* England, don't stick your dick in a box of badgers* Dad-Bod-GatePlus, Sarah offers a poignant quote from Milan Kundera (or maybe Instagram; whatever), Nancy unintentionally inaugurates a “Hate Thing of the Week” feature, the problem with men wearing teensy-tiny pants, and much more!REMINDER: Paid subscribers can join us this Sunday, May 4, for our First Sunday Zoom, 5pm PT / 8pm ET, link sent out day-of!It's already May! Looks like the perfect month for you to become a paid subscriber.Reliable, beautiful and bright candidate that wasn't on the ballot (though Kat wrote it in)

Just out here, two ladies taking in the view from three years into their podcast on the outskirts of the zeitgeist. The Old 97s make honest women of us. Dave Cicirelli gives us a new look. Nancy and Sarah are making this episode free to everyone, in celebration of 1095+ days of trying to make sense of this crazy world.Also discussed:* The Smoke ‘Em guests that riled up listeners* Ross Douthat “places his finger on the deep wound”* We love a dorky wedding!* Pop quiz for Nancy: Pronounce “swastika”* Our 2025 guest wish list: we're looking at you, Douglas Murray.* Conclave, cleavage, whatever* Mike Pesca and his “New Substack” panic button* “Don't put it down, put it away …”* Nancy will never lose her contempt for Bernadine Dohrn* The hotness of Diego Luna* The hotness of Tom Hardy* Nancy's mom* POP ROCKS!Plus, things that are sexy: men who take the lead, flying toward the story, pleather, and much more! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the continuing saga of Luigi Mangione, newly minted folk hero and alleged assassin of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. “Here's this man who is a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, he's smart, he's a person who seems like a morally good man, which is hard to find,” said journalist Taylor Lorenz on CNN, and while there was some context to that comment, there wasn't much. At Coachella, Circle Jerks' frontman Keith Morris called for an “army of Luigis,” while folk singer Jesse Welles is selling out venues with his Luigi-inspired song “United Healthcare.” Nancy and Sarah talk about anti-heroes, the politics of protest music, the catharsis of Netflix, and why our culture has a hard-on for murderers.Also discussed:* Would you go to space?* Why wasn't Oprah on that flight?* Nancy's Circle Jerks encounter* Sarah eats two-week old steak. Pays the price.* Cody Balmer is no Luigi Mangione — or is he?* Taylor Lorenz is one strange bird* Luxembourg, Rosenberg, same diff …* Missing Ross Perot* Sarah confuses Dallas Morning News baseball writer Evan Grant with Ryan Murphy favorite/teen heartthrob Evan Peters …* Weinstein case = can of worms with snakes inside* Sarah tells a dad joke, stands behind it* Someone looks like four miles of bad road* Candace Owens, if we must* You gotta put batteries in your vibratorPlus, Clyde Barrow was not impotent, ChatGPT roasts Sarah and Nancy, a special friend-of-the-pod on Bill Maher this Friday, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss former “Shagger of the Year” Russell Brand, who's been charged with sexual misconduct, a year or two after an explosive documentary landed on British TV about the comedian/entertainer/podcaster/New-Age guru. That show kicked off a criminal investigation, now headed to the courts.Brand is at once an obvious and peculiar #MeToo target, since he was so outspoken about his misdeeds in real time, including a memoir about his sex addiction called My Booky Wook. The ladies discuss changing cultural climates, why women are drawn to charming reprobates, the logic of age-of-consent laws, and the appropriate legal consequences for someone who behaved badly and got lavishly rewarded for it.Also discussed:* Are Americans horny for anger, or is it just our Twitter feeds?* Disinhibited by a nap, Sarah falls into Twitter spat* Carrie Coon stans came to win* The spitfire that is (recent Smoke ‘Em guest!) Meghan McCain* Sarah regrets editing out a line about Russell Brand asking about panties* “Attention hunger”* The late great David Carr* “Feeding the fat kid” into perpetuity* Beware the older man saying, “I want to buy you a dress and take you out in it.” Honeytrap!* Paul Schrader, Taxi Driver screenwriter, should have known better* Sarah challenges Kmele Foster to an “antic conversation”* “It's dudes all the way down.”Plus, Sarah tries to explain a “vacation hat,” Nancy nominates Tom Hardy for perennial “Sexiest Man Alive,” a pic of where dozens of your favorite podcasters have peed, and much more!Correction: Nancy said the tariffs had wiped out $10 trillion in “debt,” when she meant to say “wealth.” Management regrets the error, while thinking she might have been wish-casting …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comLiz Wolfe, Reason writer/podcaster, joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about the mess of politics, the value of free speech, and how to talk about parenting in a world where fewer and fewer women are parents. Wolfe is not your average 28 year old: Unapologetically pro-life and pro-natalist as a time when many in her generation haven't even started contemplating freezing their eggs. Or, in the case of singer Chappell Roan, 27, they might tell an interviewer, “All of my friends who have kids are in hell. I actually don't know anyone who's happy and has children at this age.”Liz has thoughts!With her surfboard in the background and her toddler occasionally in her lap, Liz talks about choices, wonders, border chaos, her Catholic faith, reproductive tech, and why she's pleased that Grok compared her to Kat Timpf.Also discussed:* Happy Liberation Day?* Grok summarizes your narrators, and Sarah gets grumpy* Nancy's alter-ego has a pie in her backpack, with a gun* Truth Czar, Disinformation Chief … have the American people not suffered enough?* Sarah is pissed on Matt Taibbi's behalf* Talk to your hairdresser about the New York Times …* Warren Beatty quote: “One of the nice things God does is, he does not let people who don't have kids know what they're missing.”* Chappell Roan, a second-rate Lady Gaga* “Ambiguous loss”* Will Sarah have a kid on her own?* Do NOT call Nancy a single mother* Unrealistic expectations about our fertility window* “I bite Mama!”Plus, sliding out of Obama-era liberalism, the hazards of toxic empathy, poop under your fake nails, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comInvestigative reporter Lee Fang talks with Nancy and Sarah about his latest Substack story, “Democrats' Dark Money Fund for TikTok Influencers,” about secret forces behind the sudden media enthusiasm of Kamala Harris' presidential announcement. “As it turns out, the tidal wave of enthusiasm was not entirely genuine. Much of the content,” writes Fang, “was quietly funded by an elusive group of Democratic billionaires and major donors in an arrangement designed to conceal the payments from voters.”Fang may be familiar to listeners from a kerfuffle in summer 2020, when his colleagues at The Intercept turned on him publicly after he tweeted about riots amid the George Floyd moment. Fang talks about how he came to journalism, how to remain an honest broker, and why he's fascinated by the money behind power. Also discussed: * “Tits,” “rack,” and “bosom” all on-air in record time!* Fang, raised on WaPo and cereal* The eerie brilliance of Michael Savage* On being addicted to conservative radio* Fitness bloggers and Mommy bloggers go pro-Kamala!* Nancy has other thoughts about Kamala in the kitchen …* Why do conservative voices dominate the podcast space?* Kamala as “intersectional dream” and “where intersectionality goes to die”* “Call Lee Daddy”* Sarah's been pimping Diet Coke for 20 years and got bupkis* Going viral on Twitter. (Lee does not recommend.)* Sarah repeatedly refers to “Twitter Files” as “WikiLeaks” (durr)* That time Nancy and Lee went to Israel…* Sarah dives back into Depp/Heard; comes back with new information!* The possible Pfizer vaccine hold-up of 2020Plus, Lee recounts “The Intercept Incident,” why dark money won't see the light of day any time soon, Lee dispels conspiracy theories about him, and much more!REMINDER: First Sunday Zoom is this Sunday, April 6, 8pm ET/5pm PT, for paid subscribers only. We'll send the link day-of.Watch the video that caused so much trouble for Lee but made him a better journalist. Become a paid subscriber …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by Aaron Gywn — paragon of good will on Twitter/X (follow at x.com/AmericanGwyn), literature professor, and author of numerous works of fiction, including The Cannibal Owl — to discuss a recent viral story in Compact Magazine, “The Vanishing White Male Writer.” We talk about shifts in publishing/culture, the trap of identity, and what great literature can do. Since Gwyn is a Cormac McCarthy expert, we also discuss the controversial 2024 Vanity Fair story about McCarthy and his muse, Augusta Britt.Also discussed:* The lost Pop Rocks episode* St. Louis, cool town* The epic beauty of Larry McMurtry's Lonesome Dove* “Jonathan Franzen is too much with us.”* 2014, the cultural swing year* The Michel Foucault of it all* “Most of publishing is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks.”* Nancy needs to go to therapy* Aaron's message for writers: “If you want something, go get it.”* “NICE TITS”* Love and admiration for fiction writer Phil Klay* Male writers trying to “reassure the reader that he is the right sort of white man.”* On not getting over the 2008 death of David Foster Wallace* Butt-chugging Infinite Jest* How Ric Ocasek won Paulina Porizkova* Drakkar Noir makes Sarah horny* How Aaron reacts when caught in the tractor beam of beauty* “I contain multi-tools”* Mary Gaitskill, the honey badger of writersAlso, why Aaron cannot get fired up about anything that happened after 1876, how fiction writing is like ventriloquism, why we're all broken but still deserve love, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comDonald McNeil Jr., a 45-year New York Times veteran, comes on the pod to talk with Nancy and Sarah about … so much. The prompt was the recent NYT story, “We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives.” As the paper of record tries to come correct on Covid, we wanted to hear from the science journalist, one of the first to tell Americans about this strange thing called the coronavirus. A self-declared “cranky old-school” reporter, McNeil landed the story of his career in 2020 and became part of a team that won the Pulitzer. But by 2021, he was gone, amid scandal and speculation. He talks about the bizarre kerfuffle that led to his resignation, mean girl dynamics at the paper, being misled by scientists, and what we do and don't know about Covid-19's origins. As McNeil wrote in Wisdom of Plagues, "Covid coarsened us as a nation... The coarsening cracks our national skin. It makes us more vulnerable to infection."Also discussed:* Nancy tries not to fangirl. She fangirls anyway.* “It's a great newspaper but it's a second-rate corporation, and its personnel stuff is particularly bad.”* The walk McNeil took with James Bennet, a year after both getting booted from the Times, is a play we'd like to see* “Looks like Don nailed it. Let's not tell him.” (!!!!!!)* NYT brass on their writing staff: “Widgets made here.”* Young turks vs. cranky old-timers in union leadership* The Daily Beast and Gawker do not cover themselves in glory* "The Western focus on personal liberty above all can kill."* The Mike Pesca of it all* The hope that Covid might “unite us with a common enemy” like WWII. Awww, what happened instead? We turned on each other.* “Ecstasy is a very good drug to get you talking”* McNeil = not a fan of Jay Battacharya* Thoughts on RFK!Plus, McNeil explains what “hot-box” once meant, where he thinks H5-N1 is going, how cancel culture is like the French Revolution, and much more!Does McNeil think Covid-19 was engineered in a virology lab or evolved in the wet market? Paid subscribers find out!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comAs we mark the fifth (yes, fifth!) anniversary of Covid, Nancy and Sarah look back at the mistakes, the time warp, the lessons. While some of these experiences are collective, some are quite specific, especially in blue states where enforced lockdowns and school closures stretched on longer. Was the misery of that time period a symptom of authoritarianism — or democracy?Big topic of the day: Ruby Franke, the Mormon mom with a YouTube channel currently serving time in prison for child abuse. A new docu-series on Hulu, Devil in the Family, connects the dots on how she got there. Nancy and Sarah talk toxic fundamentalism, mind control, sexual shaming, child abuse (and how it's culturally constructed), and the ethics of talking/blogging/profiting from your children. We also watched the Baldwins' new reality show, bless our hearts.Also discussed:* A crushing piece by a father on how COVID changed his young son* Hitchhiking!* The problems of safetyism* Sarah's secret petty side* “Sorry I didn't grow up in Appalachia…”* JD Vance memes are fun for everyone!* The ethics of writing/blogging about kids* How Sarah disappointed Katie Herzog* The vengeful figure of Jodi Hildebrant, therapist* Visions of Glory, the controversial Mormon book* We need to talk about Kevin* Nancy teaches Sarah the meaning of “May-December” romance* That time Alec Baldwin screamed at his daughter Ireland* Bad fathers can make good grandfathersPlus, a new theory on the Manson murders, Steve Kornacki's secret identity as a Lifetime movie scribe, Senator Bob Kerrey on grace, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by the Great Mike Pesca, one-time Jeopardy! contestant and host of news podcast The Gist, to talk about dudes and dude-related topics. They discuss men's-only spaces and whether women's workout wear has become hyper-sexualized (and is that a bad thing?). They also break down Gavin Newsom's podcast debut with his guest, conservative firebrand Charlie Kirk. Good idea? Dangerous idea? It's always a good time when Pesca visits the Smoke ‘Em pod.Also discussed:* In this house, we believe in peanut butter* Booo, Daylight Savings Time* A Pesca discourse on the copper content of pre- and post-1982 pennies* Lady Gaga on Saturday Night Live* High school Sarah had a crush on Mike Myers!* What Lululemon did to women — and men* Nancy does not like to see men without their shirts on! * Curves is the Jenny Craig of gyms* Why does a man buy a woman a steak?* Sarah is the whore of Babylon Williamsburg* Murder podcasts should not be snack food* The RFK Salon story that had to be retracted* Why do men dominate the podcast space?* Theories on Chris Hayes* Parker Posey's Lorazepam accent* Sadness and horror over Gene Hackman's deathPlus, why Sarah said no to Megyn Kelly, the time Pesca thought Lady Gaga was a drag queen, a PSA to take care of your olds, and much more!It's always an hour earlier when you become a paid subscriber.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“It was a very bad night for American boobs,” Sarah observed of the 2025 Oscars, where a conspicuous fashion trend has gone mostly unnoticed. Nancy and Sarah are on record for believing boobs are magic, so why did so many gorgeous actresses hide their tractor beams under a bushel? Could it be a sign of fashion's increasing androgyny… or Hollywood's increasing irrelevance? Then, Nancy goes on a multi-part rant about the Tate brothers coming back to the U.S., while Sarah ponders how those two became avatars of American manhood. Finally: Body language in the Trump-Vance-Zelenskyy showdown.Also discussed:* McDonald's serves the world's best Diet Coke* Please don't tell Sarah you appreciate her* 75% of Eagle Scouts are girls?* “Your Dune 2 fan is not watching the Oscars.”* “Boys just want the pretty girl in math class.”* Is J.D. Vance being cast as the heavy?* The end of reading?* Don DeLillo was “a beautiful culmination of the 20th century.”* Why Sarah shies away from talking politics* Has news replaced our need to read tragedy?Plus, Smoke gets a “Dear John” letter, the mystery of Gene Hackman's death, and much more!PS: Spare a thought/prayer for Kat Timpf, recently diagnosed with cancer, whose boobs are rightly being used right now only (or mostly!) to feed her newborn son. Love you Kitty Kat, godspeed xxActual footage of Sarah watching Oscar dresses on the red carpet …Oscars fashion fun behind the paywall, only for paid subscribers …

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comEli Lake is not a historian but a “journalist who loves history.” The former “Re-Education of Eli Lake” host and current Free Press contributor comes on Smoke for the second time to discuss his latest pop-history podcast, “Why We're Obsessed with JFK Conspiracies.” As usual, Lake puts his own distinctive spin on a story that may have been told before, yes, but not this way.First, though, Nancy and Sarah have to talk to Eli about Israel. Eli explains that what happened to the Bibas family has hardened his heart, but he's trying not to let it radicalize him. We talk morals and ideologies, the horrors of war, and the necessities for civil society.Also discussed:* “A rabbit hole the country has never been able to climb out of”* Eli teaches Sarah some Yiddish* “If Baruch Goldstein had been Palestinian, they'd be naming schools after him.”* Gaza-lago?* On conspiracy susceptibility: “It's either, ‘You're a moron' or, ‘How can you be so naive, kid?” And yet we want to believe …* Eli coins new and helpful word: Mono-cause* JFK is the “octopus conspiracy”* Even LBJ thought something weird was going on …* The unspeakable abuses exposed by the Church Committee* We are a pro-Norman Mailer podcast!* Nancy says something profound?* Sarah quotes Timothee Chalamet award speech, nobody cares* Editor's note: Hal Ashby directed Harold and Maude* Second editor's note: Waylon Jennings sand Dukes of Hazzard theme song* “What happened to normal movies?”* The Emilia Perez kerfuffle is so 2020Plus, Eli is such a good guest he brought his own outro (AND wrote Nancy a Sleater-Kinneyesque theme for her new interview series CHEFS TALK), Nancy and Sarah wrassle over what movie wins Best Picture, we imagine a woke Dukes of Hazzard, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comYou might know Meghan McCain from her stints at FOX, The View, SiriusFM, but surely you know her as the daughter of the late Arizona senator John McCain. “Nepo baby!” McCain jokes during her podcast introduction, but McCain is much more than that. She's a savvy media fixture who has very strong opinions about, well, everything. Nancy and Sarah like that in a gal! The three of them talk about politics, body image, #MeToo, and the vibe shift that has made conservatives cool for the first time in Meghan's life.Also discussed:* “The most radical thing I've ever done is not dieting.”* Thoughts on Ozempic* Megababe for chub rub* “Nobody was cooler than an Obama bro, and my dad tried to stop him.”* Meghan on her dad: “He carpied the diem.”* “The uptight, HR-department, school-marm dorks are the Democrats?”* The anchoring sanity of The Fifth Column* Aziz Ansari and Meghan's #MeToo breaking point* The cringe of working for Roger Ailes* That time the New Yorker claimed Brett Kavanaugh was a gang rapist* Friends we lost in the culture war …* Austin: a lost paradise?* Some love for Mark Halperin* Immigration and the lack of humanity* The heartbreak of the Bibas family* Meghan gives “Texas babe vibes”* LET'S GO TO THE RODEOPlus, Meghan on what happened at Columbia (her alma mater), Nancy has a Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct moment, Sarah doesn't think she's a Bad Bitch, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“Would you have Elon Musk's baby?” Sarah texted Nancy the other day, to which she responded, “Fuck no.” Thus launches the latest Smoke ‘Em debate, in which our co-host who is without child confesses she'd take some of that SpaceX sperm. Has she lost her mind, or is she merely responding to nature's imperative? We discuss this, as well as Musk's new babymama, Ashley St. Clair.Then it's on to a double-dip from New York Times Magazine: “Why Gen X Women are Having the Best Sex” and “How I Learned That the Problem in My Marriage Was Me.” Is 20th-century licentiousness dead? Has therapy bled too far into the culture?Also discussed:* Diet Pepsi > Diet Coke* “On accident” vs. “by accident”?* Sperm ice cubes at the 7-Eleven* Milo Yiannopoulos has entered the chat* Can you make yourself sexy or nah?* Netchix and flill* Nancy declares she does not like declarative sentences* The saddest divorce book* Why does Nancy get so annoyed when people talk about their sex lives?* Sarah's string of younger men* Moynihan's not kicking those bikini-clad girls out of bed* Women have rage problems, too* Announcement: CHEFS TALK!!!* “The thing about Led Zeppelin songs is, none of the names make sense.”Plus, the speedball of intimacy, the obsession with being obsessed, Nancy gets a crush on Jimmy Page, and much more!Correction: Listener Mavis wrote: “In ‘Iphigenia in Forest Hills,' she killed her child's father, not her daughter!” Absolutely correct! Nancy regrets the error, and for more Janet Malcolm, see this week's hot boxes

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah celebrate Valentine's Day with a civil disagreement on how stupid the holiday actually is. Also: Sex trivia! The conversation ranges from how people can masturbate in an MRI to Super Bowl controversies and the greatness of Janet Malcolm. Also discussed:* All New Yorkers go to Miami?* Sarah explains women to Nancy* Gifts are not meant to be manipulations* Kanye and AI nonsense* “Swat-sticker” (!!!!!)* Bill Gates on the upside of AI* The low rattle of unhappiness* Salmon sperm facials* Tafv, we want your blood* Something strange is afoot at the Kinsey Institute* How often do people over 45 masturbate, and why is that number a lie?* Orgasms in your sleep* “How are you masturbating in an MRI?”* Taylor Swift booed* Farewell to the penny!! You served us well.* Great new Janet Malcolm story by Katie Roiphe* People vs. the story: A journalism debate!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“Ready to go ten rounds?” Nancy asked Sarah, when Sarah asked her to watch Emilia Pérez, a Spanish-language musical for which there is no shortage of agitation on both the right and the left. Trans activists hate it, Ben Shapiro called it garbage, Mexican film goers are apparently asking for their money back. And yet, the movie got a whopping 13 Oscar nominations. What gives?Nancy reluctantly watched Emilia Pérez, and — was completely surprised. Her reaction was, in fact, very similar to Sarah's. (That's why Sarah wanted her to see it.) Is this wild, unconventional movie a triumph, a “glittering disaster,” a “trans Mrs. Doubtfire”? The answer is all of the above.Also discussed:* “Happy Monday!”* Nancy fat-shames the poor widdle groundhog* New coinage: “Western Time”* Sarah's pre-flight soul inventory is arduous* “The denial of death shapes most people's lives.”* “House of Strauss” has the best theme music (and, ahem, the best guests)* General Hospital, remembered* We hate lecture films* Why Emilia Perez makes sense as an opera* Selena Gomez is like watching fourteen cupcakes shimmy around in a dress* Johanne Sacreblue!* The Pope version of Survivor* Kieran Culkan is a bad-assPlus, Nancy writes a nice essay, Sarah is up for an award, what the hell is Groundhog's Day, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comSarah and Nancy discuss the Atlantic story “The Anti-Social Century,” about how much of modern life is being lived in isolation. They talk about eating alone, parasocial relationships, and why Sarah feels completely nailed by the data point that “the typical female pet owner spends more time actively engaged with her pet than she spends in face-to-face contact with friends of her own species.”Also discussed:* Okay, we'll talk about that thing Elon did* Is the blue/gold dress the metaphor of our times?* Trump is the candidate Americans built brick-by-brick* Who did Nancy write-in for president 2024? This guy…* Gotta agree with Sarah's old roommate on the Kleenex thing* Shark Tank love* McLuhan: “Every augmentation is an amputation”* Sarah finds listening to Jon Ronson is “deeply edifying”* Nancy is impressed — again! — with the concept “skin hunger”* Someone admits to watching Rock of Love* Character.ai: Let us know if you're using it!* Late-breaking Oscar nominationsPlus, the generosity of David Lynch's dreamscapes, “let me sell you a solution to a problem you didn't know you had,” Sarah requests you send her postcards stating your favorite hm-hm-hm, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comReading Noah Rothman's new piece in Commentary, “A Clockwork Blue: How the Left Has Come to Excuse Away and Embrace Political Violence,” I felt as though he had written it just for me; this, because he called to account institutions and individuals who proclaim violence from the left justified, a trend I found maddening when I covered 150+ nights of violent street protests in Portland in 2020. And about that: How long did Rothman think that violence would have been explained away had it been committed by the right?"Hours," he said.In a discussion that calls out violence on all sides, Rothman addresses the roots of political barbarism, how the power of crowds can lead well-adjusted people to commit orgies of violence, the juvenile cop-out of making avatars of people in order to justify brutality against them, and some especial opprobrium for the intellectual and spiritual poverty that makes a hero of Luigi Mangione, who, weeks after murdering UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson, was given a round of applause by an SNL audience.“The point of this piece is a call for political consistency,” said Rothman. “Only when we have consistency will we see a decline in political violence.”Noah Rothman is a senior writer for National Review. He is the author of Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America (Regnery, 2019) and The Rise of the New Puritans: Fighting Back Against Progressives' War on Fun (HarperCollins, 2022). His work has been published in USA Today, the Washington Examiner, the New York Post, the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Washington Post, and elsewhere. Follow on Twitter/X at NoahCRothman

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah dive into the messy New York magazine cover story on literary superstar Neil Gaiman, accused of sexual assault by multiple women. The story broke over the summer in a British podcast — which Nancy and Sarah listened to, and much preferred — and they zero in on the story's different presentations and ethical tangles. It's a tale of celebrity, status-seeking, boundarilessness, and cruelty. But is it criminal? Let's discuss.Also discussed:* Joe Biden made a speech* Bathtub as flytrap* If I serve you a steak, and you write to tell me you loved it, then logically do I:* Serve you another steak* Assume you don't really like steak and only told me you did so we can keep hanging out* Report me because I pressed the steak on you while knowing you hated steak* What does logic have to do with it?* To be clear: We are anti-vagina whipping* Do women want sexual freedom, to be protected class — or both?* Please don't trot out experts to support your insupportable point* Nancy knee-jerks over journalism* Is consent really black and white? And if so, why has it spawned five million think pieces and hours of podcasts like this?* Jon Ronson puts Sarah to sleep but “in a loving way.”* “If my literary hero appeared to me when I was 22 when I happened to be hot and not a binge-drinking chubby lonely-heart watching Real World marathons while hungover on the futon …”Plus, Sarah hates the “cup of tea” consent video, some love for fact-checkers, the 1-minute video that's made Nancy laugh 20 times, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comBe warned, beloveds: Lots of sex talk here; hide the kiddies and the squeamish. Also! Due to some ghost in the machine, our last episode, “Meghan Daum on What We've Lost in the Los Angeles Wildfires,” may have included a paywall that we did not put there. It is free for all, and it's fixed now.No worries if you haven't seen “Babygirl,” the erotic drama wherein a tightly wound CEO with an Instagram-perfect life (Nicole Kidman) gets down and dirty with a much younger male intern (Harris Dickinson). Sarah and Nancy are discussing a lot more than just a movie: The nature of female desire, why domination fantasies are so taboo, and whether masochism is threaded into the female sexual experience. (Sweeping generalizations alert!) Also discussed:* Nancy's name makes a comeback and she can't take it* Consent does not line up with desire* The thing about negging is …* Don Draper, feminist icon?* All hail Showgirls, the best-worst movie ever* Nancy likes to wrestle* The orgasm gap* Why does a man buy a woman a steak?* Nancy Friday's My Secret Garden* Define “hypergamy”Plus, Nancy picks an “obscure book” for her hotbox only to find it has 105,000 reviews on Amazon, a male companion robot that looks like Harry Dean Stanton, “Freedom for Scotland!” and much moreAre there heretofore unexperienced pleasures when you become a paid subscriber? One way to find outWe might be paywalling this episode, but we're not monsters…

Essayist and Unspeakable pod host Meghan Daum joins Nancy and Sarah to talk about the worst fires ever recorded in Southern California — what it was like to learn that her house in Altadena burned down, the blame game that both sides are playing, the surreal celebrity angle, and why you don't actually have to tweet. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“I am still waiting for my bathrobe, and until you give it to me, I am going to be forced to do this podcast in the nude,” Kat Rosenfield tells Nancy and Sarah, who really need to move on this gift they keep promising her for repeat appearances. Kat is here to discuss her recent Free Press column on Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, “a turducken of a story” about alleged misbehavior and creative control on the set of It Ends With Us. The stars' dueling legal documents lit up social media over the holidays, but it's … confusing. Kat sees it less as a “he said/she said," and more of a battle of PR narratives.Also discussed:* But who is Colleen Hoover?* “I have a series of really hot takes…”* Justin Baldoni: sexy or nah?* Nancy likes a dad bod* Is asking someone what they weigh “fat-shaming”?* “I have been taken on a journey of eroticism and repulsion, and that's what I count on you for…”* Shades of Depp-Heard* Megan Twohey strikes again* “Astro-turfed pseudo-consensus”; rolls right off the tongue* How to pronounce “simulacram”?* Reflexive outrage: what is it good for?* Wait, that's not Markle's kitchen?* Ascribing a richness of interior life to people that they neither have nor deservePlus, dry cake, Nancy's failing face, a movie trailer that gives all the cringes, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah share their highs and lows from the year that was. Which movie did Nancy love, and Sarah despise? (Hint: It's not the Bob Dylan movie.) Which book did Sarah love, even though Nancy finds the author “twee”? Plus, Sarah quizzes Nancy about momentous events in 2024, and Nancy mostly bombs, no cap.Also discussed:* “It's always butter with you”* Was Joan Baez that hot?* The movie that set both Sarah and Nancy's nerves on edge* What live televised event got a Taylor Swift bump?* Who was that guy that bombed at the Golden Globes, again?* Big love for Andy Mills* No Problematic Coffee* “As a childless cat lady …”* Michael Moynihan's Melania impersonation gets a run for its moneyPlus, knee-jerk Nancy on the year's worst politician, Sarah panic-votes for macaroni and cheese, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comIt's the end of 2024, and Sarah and Nancy wonder if two recent media phenomena represent a paradigm shift in two areas: porn and the collective consciousness. On one side: “I'm Lily Phillips, and today I'm getting run through by a hundred guys.” On the other side: “This groundbreaking series challenges everything we think we know about communication and the human mind, inviting viewers to step into a reality where the impossible is not only possible but happening every day.”Yes, we're talking about the YouTube documentary I Slept With 100 Men in One Day and the podcast The Telepathy Tapes, exploring the potentially telepathic abilities of nonverbal autists. What do these two things have in common? Join us to find out, in a conversation that veers from unexpected sex toys to Carl Jung. Also, Nancy cries about something other than journalism.Also discussed:* Nancy pens a viral tweet!* The how-to-fold-a-fitted-sheet debate* Wait, there are drones over LA, too?* Sarah wants Nancy to start an OnlyPans page* The orange street cone goes into WHAT, now?* Lily Phillips' understatement of the year: “I don't know if I'd recommend it”* The arrogance of thinking we know everything about science* When Freud and Jung parted ways …* Babe Paley's husband

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss the very online experience of watching both the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the capture of the man named as his killer, Luigi Mangione. We discuss the memes, conspiracies, tasteless jokes, and crushes on the alleged shooter. Did the tragic incident offer a pressure-valve release to Americans frustrated by a limping healthcare system, or is it an inflection point for something more dangerous? And how should we feel when murder becomes entertainment? Also discussed:* The Daniel Penny verdict* The floating-in-space feeling between election and inauguration* Activism ain't what it used to be* “Will you forgive me for loving to say his name?”* Piers Morgan, the Jerry Springer of political shows* “The brain is a dangerous thing”* Bonnie & Clyde and glamorous crime* “Desire knows no ethics”* The detail that helps Luigi Mangione's capture in a McDonald's make sense* Caitlin Flanagan, the master storyteller* “What will survive of us is love”* Did Sonny Liston take a dive?Plus, Sarah's brain makes “popcorn” in the middle of the night, Nancy thinks CBD makes her sing better, Ben Dreyfuss talks with Taylor Lorenz (let's listen), and more!As the poet says, what will survive of us is love. As the podcasters say, we survive only if you become a paid subscriber

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comSmoke ‘Em welcomes favorite repeat guest and self-proclaimed “absolute newspaper romantic” Matt Welch. He talks with Nancy and Sarah about whether legacy papers can ever make a comeback and how they ignore local news at their own peril, plus whether civility might be on the upswing.Also discussed:* Pink hair don't care* How the Los Angeles Times “changed the physical landscape of the West.”* Scott Jennings joins the editorial board at the LA Times. And?* “Like perestroika, incivility starts in the home”* They're still counting votes in California!* Is activism dead or just sleeping?* “Throw any Russian in a skirt at Hegseth and he's going to loosen his tie”* “A dark sky had fallen over Nantucket, Mass., on Saturday evening when President Biden left church alongside his family after his final Thanksgiving as president …”* Meghan McCain, flashpoint* “Mono-politics is bad for governance”* Maybe people should disengage from politics and take up streaking and fart books?* People who voted for Kamala, but were pulling for Trump?* Nancy thinks “raw-dogging” means …* Sarah interviews Ken Burns, American treasureAlso, a wretched New York Times “Ethicist” question, thoughts on why Biden pardoned his son, dick-shaped cookie cutters, and much more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah discuss two recent dust-ups between men and women: One is fraught and potentially career-damaging, the other is (arguably) romantic, but also potentially legacy-damaging. Trump's nominee to lead the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, is facing scandal that stems from a 2017 encounter at a Republican women's convention, and the details are … confusing? Don't really add up? Then we discuss the secret muse of Cormac McCarthy, 64-year-old Finnish lass Augusta Britt, who shares the story of her underage love affair (and lifelong connection) with McCarthy in a Vanity Fair story that was much-loved and much-trashed. Wanna guess where we fell?Also discussed:* Can anyone pronounce the last name Hegseth?* The detail that brought the case together for Nancy* Never name your bar “Knuckles”* What if he were in a blackout, and she wasn't …* Cock-clock, crotch-block, what?* The two foods all men love* “We don't get enough Finnish chutzpah”* “Well baby, that's what I do. I'm a writer.”* Nancy just keeps vibrating* Purple prose? Bring it* The case of Joyce Maynard* Sarah is really mad at WickedPlus, controversy over a writer's hair, Nancy's stuffing recipe, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comAfter a brief discussion of the Mike Tyson-Jake Paul fight, Nancy and Sarah talk about health, weight, and other confusions. The inspiration is a recent New York Times story that three-quarters of Americans are overweight or obese, a report that coincides with the rise of new gurus like Dr. Casey Means, who recently appeared on Real Time With Bill Maher to talk about how little doctors understand nutrition and why Robert F. Kennedy Jr. could be a disruptor in the Department of Health. (Debatable.) Sarah, who has struggled with weight most of her life, expresses frustration at the mixed messages around eating. Nancy, who carried 20 extra pounds as a young woman, wonders how much people let weight keep them in a holding pattern.Also discussed:* JerryWorld!* Was the fight fixed?* “You gotta let people take their shot.”* One word: Plastics* Glucose monitors?* The U.S. state with the most obese women is …* To Ozempic, or not to Ozempic?* Bill Maher is never backing down from January 6Plus, Sarah gets a walking desk, a new Taylor Sheridan show drops, Nancy's daughter has a doppelganger, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“I didn't transition to replace cis women in sports,” begins Brianna Wu, the straight-shooter who chats with Sarah and Nancy this week. “I transitioned because I wanted to get along.” Joined by Kelly Cadigan, who co-hosts their new podcast “Dollcast,” both women talk openly about the frustration of watching the trans civil rights conversation hijacked by extremists, pitting people against each other. We discuss how the election may have been affected by the trans issue, the challenge of integrating trans women into sports, and what a more sane approach to dealing with trans minors might look like.Also discussed:* The newest member of Sarah's family* Gamergate* Brianna just wants to have lunch uptown* Vaginoplasty, actually rare among trans women* “You do not want to know me without HRT”* The nonbinary phenomenon* “I don't have any delusions I'm a biological woman, just admit I'm a kind of woman, albeit a weird one.”* 15 is terrible for every girl!* “It's dangerous for me to out myself.”* Who drank the Zionism super-serum?Plus, the conundrum of granting grace, the hope that we've reached a reset on conversations, the sexiness of Seth Moulton, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comRats in the walls, ghosts in the bull rushes and some extreme reactions to the election of Donald Trump as president. What to do? Swear off sex? Buy a blue bracelet at Target? Excise at least 53% of Americans from your life? Sounds tragic. Maybe what we need is a child actress from the ‘80s to deliver some common sense …Also discussed:* A

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comTrump won, Kamala lost. People have feelings about this (including us). But it's not going to get easier imagining that 50% of Americans are racists, misogynists, or whatever other -ist can be deployed to explain how Republicans pulled off a stunning victory on Tuesday, which some worry is ushering in an unprecedented period of darkness…As it turns out, the sun rose! And Nancy and Sarah talk about What Happened: Are people uncomfortable with a woman leading? How big a factor was abortion? Do people just want change?Also discussed:* “Hollywood lost its grip on the popular imagination.”* Polling: What is it good for?* I mean we like Queen Latifah too, but …* Sarah once wrote a column called “Crying in Restaurants”* Trump announced during his acceptance speech that Melania's book was #1. Does it shock anyone that this is not exactly the case?* What's up with all the crying videos?* “Shut up, Mom!”* Some love for Brianna Wu* Is kissing cheating?* Wishing our pal Steve Kornacki a napPlus, some day-after podcasts that made sense of the election, an eye-popping new Netflix bio on Martha Stewart, and a bonus video of … Eli Lake dancing?

Sarah is scared to fly, Nancy is freaked out by moldy cheese, and both of them have scary stories related to times they got in a car they shouldn't have. In honor of Halloween, we talk about classic horror movies, break out some October 31 trivia, and discuss what scares Americans most. Also discussed:* Is Jaws a horror movie: a debate!* Nancy's almost-star turn in said same movie* 2023's #1 Halloween costume* Alligators in the sewers: real or urban myth?* The movie image that freaked out 12-year-old Sarah* The devil's entrance from hell was in … Nancy's dad's apartment?* Everyone is afraid of one of these: snakes, rats or …* Small planes have a better chance of survival?* “The guy with the pin cushions in his face.”* Elevator shaft close calls* “The line between blooper reel and tragedy is very thin”Plus, how to swim out of a riptide, Nancy does a Vincent Price impersonation, Sarah's top scary movie, and much more! First Sunday — and last call before the election — Zoom: For paid subscribers, this Sunday, November 3, 8pmET/5pmPT. Bring your predictions, your fears, what's left of your kids' Halloween candy and/or something stronger.It was a dark and stormy night when you finally became a paid subscriber … Forgot to mention: Our pal Michael Moynihan will be on “Real Time with Bill Maher” this Friday. Last show before the election should be a doozy.Episode Notes:“Bannon's Prison Sentence Is Over and He Has Nothing New To Say,” by Nancy Rommelmann (Reason)“Highest Grossing Horror Movies of All Time,” by Travis Bean (Forbes)“What Are Americans Really Afraid Of?” Chapman University surveyAmericans' #1 fear? Corrupt politicians. In related news …“Alligators in the sewer myth is true: City workers find out in jaw-dropping video,” by Ben Cost (New York Post)Thank you, Stephen KingWhat's in your hot box?Sarah: Stoner, by John Williams Nancy: Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution, by Simon SchamaSarah picks the outro This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“The election is a week from tomorrow, thank God,” says Sarah, speaking for the rest of us, feeling as though we are Danny in The Shining and the candidates are the twins…We take a break from political news (well, kind of) to talk about two recent TV distractions: Anatomy of Lies, a three-part docuseries about the bundle of fraudulence that was Grey's Anatomy writer Elisabeth Finch, and Woman of the Hour, a tense Netflix drama directed by and starring Anna Kendrick and based on the real-life story of a serial killer contestant on The Dating Game. Also discussed:* Tony Hinchcliffe's very bad joke* Nancy wants the media to use more precise language* Joe Rogan podcast: Trump has logorrhea* Be careful what you say in the supermarket …* Andie MacDowell and the afterlife* A side effect of knee surgery replacement is … obsessive lying?* What with all the serial killers?* Should we watch the Menendez Brothers documentary?Plus, Sarah can't go anywhere without being recognized, Nancy has a question about crossing over, a very enthusiastic hot box recommendation, and much more!Correction: Nancy initially said the pro-Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden took place in 1939, then changed it to 1936. Right the first time! First Sunday — and last call before the election — Zoom: For paid subscribers, this Sunday, November 3, 8pmET/5pmPT. Bring your predictions, your fears, what's left of your kids' Halloween candy and/or something stronger.Our girl Nancy has a birthday this week, and we know the perfect gift:

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comLet's say you want to promote a book and you have a little ad money to burn. If you are author and communications consultant Melanie Notkin, you might contact Shelf Awareness, which sends free newsletters to, per its Instagram bio, “booksellers, librarians, publishers, book collectors, literary antiquarians, and everyone else who loves to read.” Shelf Awareness publisher Matt Balducci was happy to run the promo, for the U.S. release of Bernard-Henri Lévy's latest book… until two days later, when he emailed Melanie to say they were cancelling the ad.“I've never been denied the ability to pay for an ad in any outlet,” says Notkin, who knew, before she spoke with Balducci — a conversation Notkin recorded — that he was backing out because of one of the words in the book's two-word title, and it wasn't “Alone.”Francesca Block at The Free Press reported on the story earlier today. Here, Notkin picks up the conversation, including:* Is the anti-Israeli movement contracting or going underground?* Pro tip: When you basically tell someone you're caving to the mob, maybe try not to sound patronizing* The shadow-banning of books and authors leads nowhere good* Quick: A group of masked people on the subway chant, “Raise your hand if you're a Zionist!” What do you do?* “I don't want to live in a world where my friend denounces me.”* #nevershuttingupPlus, big love for Douglas Murray, when intolerance becomes a show of valor, and did casual Fridays ruin everything?

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comGreetings from Nancy's 31st hotel room! Our roving reporter is on the scene in Asheville, North Carolina, where she gives Sarah the scoop on hurricane damage, what the politicized coverage has gotten wrong, and why it's good to live near churches when catastrophe strikes. The two of them talk Ted Cruz vs. Colin Allred, as well as Kamala Harris vs. Bret Baier. Then it's on to the New York Times' latest story on University of Michigan's DEI double-down.Also discussed:* What up with those shower half-doors?* Fewer “talking points” Kamala, more Feisty Kamala* Name someone more weasely than Ted Cruz. We'll wait …* “Whore's bath”???* FEMA controversy = not that controversial* Does DEI cause plane crashes?* How long will colleges ignore the ROI?* Anatomy of Lies: Next week's topic?* What does it say about us that we love exposing liars?Plus, the problem with the docu-series, the man who puts Sarah to sleep every night, Nancy needs a bath, and more!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com“The path to success may not always be easy, but with determination and courage, you can achieve your dreams.” So writes Melania Trump (or ChatGPT?) on page 34 of the memoir released yesterday by the former first lady. And we have questions! Such as, did any of the Big Five publishers bid on the book? Who wrote Melania's memoir and has she seen it? Is Donald Trump, as portrayed here, actually made out of wood?Also discussed:* Every Ta-Nahesi Coates interview doesn't need to be a tongue bath* Nancy's turning point with Palestinian protestors* Will Melania's pro-choice position sway undecided voters?* But really: No way is Donald Trump pro-life* Why did Skyhorse, which published Melania, demand $250,000 when CNN asked for an interview?* “Who gives a fuck about Chrismas decoration?”: Melania caught on hot mic* The explanation of that weird “I don't care, do you?” fashion moment* Point-counterpoint: Was Melania truly out of the loop on January 6?* Melania's plastic surgery* The case for the middle ground on abortion* How to get “maximum spillage and bobble”Plus, the viral performance artist imitating trash bags, the disturbing face-eating disease Nancy brings up at the last moment (why?!), some love for FIRE, and more!