Podcast appearances and mentions of Bill Gothard

In this episode of the Voice of Influence podcast, host Andrea and Rosanne Moore delve into a deeper discussion about Andrea's interview with Anna LeBaron, who shared her traumatic experiences in a violent polygamist cult led by her father. They explore the concept of spiritual bypass and how Anna used religious practices to suppress emotional pain, before eventually addressing it.  They discuss the challenges of healing from deep trauma in layers, the importance of education and information exposure, and the role of memoirs like 'Educated' by Tara Westover. They also touch on cultural awareness raised by the docuseries 'Shiny Happy People' and the damaging control dynamics in high-control religious environments. The episode concludes with personal reflections on finding one's voice and maintaining curiosity and openness in conversations, especially when discussing contentious or polarizing issues. Mentioned in this Episode: 352: Escaping & Healing From a Violent Cult with Anna LeBaron & Ruth Wariner 353: Healing from Religious Abuse with Anna LeBaron Book: The Polygamist's Daughter by Anna LeBaronBook: The Sound of Gravel by Ruth WarinerHulu Docuseries “Daughters of the Cult”Book: Educated by Tara WestoverPrime Docuseries “Shiny Happy People”   00:00 Introduction and Recap 00:55 Understanding Spiritual Bypass 03:36 The Importance of Lament 07:17 Healing in Layers 12:49 The Role of Education in Healing 15:57 Navigating New Ideas and Beliefs 25:12 The Power of Listening First 26:31 Finding Your Voice: A Journey of Healing 27:35 Navigating the World of Dating After Abuse 31:41 Shiny Happy People: Exposing Spiritual Abuse 39:43 Bill Gothard and the IBLP: A Framework for Control 48:38 The Challenge of Self-Reflection and Growth Read the show notes here:   https://www.voiceofinfluence.net/355 Give and receive feedback that makes a difference! Register for our 20 minute Deep Impact Method video course here:  www.voiceofinfluence.net/deepimpact

On this episode I'm presenting the prologue of my story with the Institute in Basic Life Principles or IBLP - which you may recognize from the Amazon documentary featuring the Duggar family from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting. They may have been on a reality tv show, but this is my story of how these teachings played out in my day to day real life. This is the introduction episode to a series arc on the 7 principles of Bill Gothard.Referenced in this Episode:Shiny Happy People Life of Reason | George SantayanaSEND US A TEXTSupport the Show | Buy Me a CoffeeLeave Us A Voicemail | 980.355.9665 Interact with Mediocre Mystic:Web | Email | Substack | X Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | TikTok | YouTube Subscribe & Follow | Rate & ReviewApple | Spotify | Substack | YouTubeMusic by '86 Aerostar | Logo by Bizri Creative Group

Reality TV alum Jinger Duggar Vuolo joins host Steve Cuss to share her powerful journey from fear-based religion to authentic faith and emotional freedom. She opens up about growing up under Bill Gothard's teachings, breaking free from people-pleasing, and healing from spiritual trauma. Together, Jinger and Steve explore how vulnerability, community, and self-awareness can lead to lasting transformation. This episode offers encouragement for anyone navigating identity, faith, and the pressure to meet others' expectations. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Becoming Free Indeed: My Story of Disentangling Faith from Fear by Jinger Duggar Vuolo People Pleaser: Breaking Free from the Burden of Imaginary Expectations  “Teens and Social Media: Key findings from Pew Research Center Surveys” “How Social Media Affects Your Teen's Mental Health: A Parent's Guide” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode goes out to all the chronic people pleasers out there who are looking to find freedom from fear of man, their own unrealistic expectations, and the need to be it all for everyone. Jinger Duggar Vuolo joins me to discuss this and unpack how God has been healing her from this as she grew up in reality TV stardom, the dangerous teachings of Bill Gothard, and the everyday comparisons we can face in our own lives as well. ORDER MY BOOK HERE: https://a.co/d/0vE5Cji CHECKOUT JINGER'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/iVz3i7m Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

I veckans avsnitt är det Lucas tur att berätta om familjen Duggar som blev kända genom reality tv-serien 19 Kids and Counting som sändes på TLC. En familj som så många andra följer Institute of Basic Life Principles, en kristen organisation som grundades av Bill Gothard. Institutet har på senare tid fått mycket kritik då medlemmar berättat om strikta riktlinjer kring alla aspekter av livet som de varit tvungna att följa. Har ni tips på ämnen eller olika fall ni vill att vi tar upp får ni mer än gärna kontakta oss på stapalspodcast@gmail.com eller på Instagram via Stapalspodcast eller via lucasternestal och utt3rclou. Glöm inte att prenumerera på podden så ni får notiser om när nya avsnitt läggs ut och ge oss gärna betyg! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Send us a textWhat happens when the road you're told to follow no longer feels like your own? Christina Lambert grew up in the ATI (Advanced Training Institute) cult, where strict fundamentalist teachings controlled every aspect of her life—including an arranged marriage she never chose. But Christina found the courage to break free, reclaim her identity, and forge a new path on her own terms.In this episode of The Motovation Podcast, we take a deep dive into Christina's powerful journey:Growing Up in ATI – What life was like under the extreme rules of Bill Gothard's fundamentalist teachings.The Pressure of Arranged Marriage – How she was expected to submit to a future she never agreed to.The Moment of Realization – What sparked her decision to leave and the struggles she faced in the process.The Ride That Changed Everything – How getting on a motorcycle became a symbol of her defiance, independence, and the ultimate catalyst for her escape.The Cost of Freedom – Breaking free came with deep personal loss, as she faced rejection from those she once trusted and had to rebuild life from the ground up.Lessons We Learn from Christina's StoryTrust Your Inner Voice – Even when everything around you tells you to conform, your instincts matter.Escaping Control Takes Grit – Leaving a high-control group or relationship isn't easy, but the other side is worth it.Deconstruction is a Process – Breaking free is just the beginning; learning who you are afterward is a journey of its own.Freedom Comes with Unexpected Turns – Like any road trip, the route to self-discovery is rarely a straight path.Christina's resilience reminds us that sometimes, you have to take the handlebars of your own life and ride toward the unknown—because that's where true freedom is found.Watch now and subscribe for more stories of resilience, reinvention, and breaking free from the past.

Are you constantly seeking the approval of others, afraid to disappoint, or trapped in the exhausting cycle of people-pleasing? In this episode, we sit down with New York Times bestselling author Jinger Vuolo to explore the hidden costs of living for the validation of others. Raised in the public eye on a reality TV show and deeply influenced by the teachings of Bill Gothard, Jinger knows firsthand the weight of external expectations. Through her books Becoming Free Indeed and People Pleaser, she unpacks her journey of breaking free from toxic pressures and discovering true freedom. We'll dive into the psychology behind people-pleasing, its ties to identity and faith, how to set healthy boundaries with grace...Links Discussed in This Episode |Book: Becoming Free Indeed: My Story of Disentangling Faith from FearBook: Boundaries: When to Say Yes, How to Say No to Take Control of Your LifeBook: Supercommunicators by Charles DuhiggConnect with Jinger:InstagramYouTubeBook: People Pleaser: Breaking Free From the Burden of Imaginary ExpectationsAbout Jinger |Jinger Duggar Vuolo grew up on TV. From the age of nine until twenty-seven, she appeared on her family's hit TLC reality shows, 19 Kids and Counting and Counting On. She is an author whose books include New York Times bestseller Becoming Free Indeed, her personal memoir The Hope We Hold and a children's book, You Can Shine So Bright. She now lives in Los Angeles with her husband, Jeremy, and their two daughters, Felicity Nicole and Evangeline Jo. In her free time, Jinger enjoys traveling, hiking, and anything to do with good foodWork with Me |If you've been struggling with motivation to work through bad habits that are keeping you stuck, I'd love to help you achieve your goals! We'll work together (locally or virtually) to discover what areas in your life are high priority to get you feeling less overwhelmed right away. For more info on my processes, fees, and availability please contact!Episode Sponsors |Clear Intentions would not be possible without the support of weekly sponsors. Choosing brands that I believe in is important to me. I only want to recommend brands that I believe may help you in your daily life. As always, never feel pressured into buying anything. Remember: if you don't need it, it's not a good deal!Cymbiotika: Go to Cymbiotika.com/Minimalist for 20% off your order + free shipping today.Check out Armoire and use my code MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://www.armoire.styleCheck out Happy Mammoth and use my code MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comEnjoy the Podcast?Post a review and share it! If you enjoyed tuning into this podcast, then do not hesitate to write a review. Please share with friends that could be inspired by the wisdom of each and every guest!Further Questions |You can contact me through my website, find me on Instagram, Pinterest or like The Minimalist Moms Page on Facebook.Checkout the podcast storefront for recommendations from Diane (and a FULL list of previous guests' books!)Grab a copy of my first book Minimalist Moms: Living and Parenting with SimplicityCheckout a list of my past collaborative podcasts here!Our Sponsors:* Check out Acorns: https://acornsearly.com/MINIMALIST* Check out Armoire and use my code MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style* Check out Happy Mammoth and use my code MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/minimalist-moms-podcast2093/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jessalyn Bruce is here to share her powerful testimony! She begins by taking us back to her childhood in California, where her faith journey first took root. As the oldest of eight children, Jessalyn's family became involved in the Institute for Basic Life Principles (IBLP), led by Bill Gothard, when she was just nine years old. Growing up in such a strict, legalistic environment was challenging, especially as a young Christian trying to understand her faith. Through a series of pivotal moments, God began to unravel these beliefs, leading Jessalyn to a deeper understanding of His grace. As she entered high school, Jessalyn felt a strong calling toward missions, deeply inspired by the 1956 Christian martyrs in Ecuador, a story brought to life in the movie End of the Spear. Determined to follow this calling, she pursued missions training at Bible college, where she met her future husband, Davy—though their relationship wouldn't begin until they reconnected after graduation. Jessalyn shares relatable experiences of navigating faith, relationships, and ministry as a young adult, offering insight and encouragement along the way. Together, she and Davy pursued mission aviation, undergoing years of training while moving between California, Alaska, and Texas. Throughout their journey, they witnessed God's provision in incredible ways as they prepared for life on the mission field as a young family. However, in 2023, unexpected doors began to close, and by early 2024, after an emotional meeting with their sending church, their mission field journey came to an end. Though it was heartbreaking, Jessalyn and Davy have found peace in Arizona, trusting that God is still leading them forward. Her testimony is a powerful reminder that God uses every season—especially the hard ones—to shape us. Nothing is ever wasted when we walk with Him. You'll be encouraged and inspired as Jessalyn shares her story of faith, surrender, and God's unwavering faithfulness!"Let God orient you to Himself and then you will be oriented to His will. The servant does not tell the Master what kind of assignment he needs. The servant waits on his Master for the assignment. As you obey Him, God will prepare you for the assignment that is just right for you." -Henry T. Blackaby & Avery T. Willis Jr."Present your gifts, vocations and talents to the Lord. Press into God. Stay there until you long to go out in His Name. Remain there and nurture the longing to see the earth bathed with His praise. Only then will you be able to trust your heart if you hear God say, 'stay.' Only those who long to broadcast His glory to the nations have the right to stay." -Floyd McClungThat Sounds Fun Podcast with Annie F. DownsShiny Happy People DocumentaryEnd of the Spear by Steve SaintSaturday Family Fellowship at Desert SpringsWant to share your story on The Stories Collective podcast in 2025? Email sarah@dscchurch.comWould you please subscribe and leave us a review? This will help our podcast reach more people! We'd love it if you'd share this podcast with your friends on social media and beyond. Join us next Wednesday to hear another story of God's faithfulness!

Today, we sit down with Jinger Duggar Vuolo, author of "People Pleaser: Breaking Free from the Burden of Imaginary Expectations," to talk about her new book and how she put an end to her people-pleasing tendencies. We discuss how she broke out of legalism and learned the true gospel as she sought to glorify God with her life and how biblical modesty is the standard to which we should aspire. Jinger also tells us how her people-pleasing ultimately hurt her ability to be in community and gives other people-pleasers advice on how to stop focusing so much on the selfish need to belong and how to let others into their lives. Buy Jinger's new book, "People Pleaser: Breaking Free from the Burden of Imaginary Expectations": https://a.co/d/46kmsWm Subscribe now to watch "Relatable at Home: The Theology of Hospitality," use code ALLIE for a discount: https://www.blazetv.com/watch/channel/series/series/d36O0ZN2Y3SO-relatable-with-allie-stuckey/episode/ibm4P9uEjkrf-relatable-at-home--the-theology-of-hospitality?t=0 Buy Allie's new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": https://a.co/d/4COtBxy --- Timecodes: (02:25) About "People Pleaser: Breaking Free from the Burden of Imaginary Expectations" (08:57) Teachings of Bill Gothard  (13:44) People pleasing behavior  (17:45) Biblical standards of modesty (22:16) Pleasing God vs. pleasing man (32:06) Trading down (40:44) People-pleasing is selfish (44:01) The heart behind hospitality (48:07) Advice for people-pleasers  ---   Today's Sponsors: Seven Weeks - Experience the best coffee while supporting the pro-life movement with Seven Weeks Coffee; use code ALLIE at https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com to save up to 25% and help save lives. Pre-Born — Will you help rescue babies' lives? Donate by calling #250 & say keyword 'BABY' or go to Preborn.com/ALLIE. Jase Medical — Go to Jase.com and enter code “ALLIE” at checkout for a discount on your order. CrowdHealth — get your first 3 months for just $99/month. Use promo code 'ALLIE' when you sign up at JoinCrowdHealth.com. --- Related Episodes: Ep 745 | Life as a Duggar & Letting Go of Legalism | Guest: Jinger Duggar Vuolo https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-745-life-as-a-duggar-letting-go-of-legalism/id1359249098?i=1000596623691 Ep 777 | On Duggar Theology, Josh's Arrest, & Media Lies | Guests: Jinger Duggar Vuolo & Jeremy Vuolo https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-777-on-duggar-theology-joshs-arrest-media-lies-guests/id1359249098?i=1000606178083 ---   Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are you wrestling with beliefs that feel more like chains than freedom? Do you wonder what it means to experience a faith rooted in grace, not fear? In today's episode of Candid Conversations, Jinger Duggar Vuolo joins us to share her powerful journey from a life of rigid rules and public expectations to one of true spiritual freedom. Raised in the spotlight of TLC's most popular show, 19 Kids and Counting, and within the strict teachings of Bill Gothard's IBLP, Jinger's story is one of courage, transformation, and rediscovering a loving, grace-filled God. In this powerful episode of Candid Conversations, the Vuolos share insights on distinguishing between faith and fear, disentangling from unhealthy beliefs, and the difference between “deconstructing” and “disentangling” faith.Listeners will hear about Jinger's experiences with the “Free Jinger” movement and how her journey led her not to abandon Christianity but to redefine her relationship with Christ. Jinger's story is a testament to the courage it takes to question deeply ingrained beliefs and find freedom within faith.This heartfelt conversation is a must-listen for anyone grappling with religious teachings, seeking a genuine relationship with God, or interested in how the Gospel differs from man-made rules. Join us for an honest look at faith, freedom, and finding grace in a world of fear.Key Topics:Jinger's reflections on growing up in the public eyeThe journey of disentangling faith from rigid teachingsUnderstanding “disentangling” vs. “deconstructing” faithInsights into Bill Gothard's teachings and their impactJeremy's perspective as a supportive partner through Jinger's journeyAdvice for those raised in restrictive religious environmentsTune in to explore how Jinger's faith journey can inspire us to seek truth, freedom, and a closer relationship with God. This episode is for anyone looking to break free from limiting beliefs and experience faith as it was meant to be.To ask Jonathan a question or connect with the Candid community, visit https://LTW.org/CandidFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/candidpodInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/candidpodTwitter: https://twitter.com/thecandidpod 

Join Liz, Caz, Lindy and cult expert Dr Janja Lalich, as they talk about the highlights of the inaugural NZ Decult 2024 conference, and how this remarkable event has contributed to a critical conversation. In this episode Liz says, “The problem is more pervasive than your average kiwi recognises.” Too right, Liz! Let's keep the conversation going! Notes Website - Get access to Decult audio and video Video - Interview with Ulricke Schiesser for Decult  Article -  Andre Afamasaga in Samoan Observer Website - Scott Homan and Witness Underground Video - Interview with Dr Gillie Jenkinson for Cult Chat Video - Interview with Dr Janja Lalich for Cult Chat Article - Shincheonji - The Press Article -  Misa - Tantric yoga guru Gregorian Bivolaru charged with human trafficking Podcast - Cults and healthcare neglect - Dr Caroline Ansley - Let's Talk About Sects Article - Laura McConnell-Conti and the Two by Twos Podcast - Poia Alpha & the Branch Davidians - Let's Talk About Sects Article - Rachel Lees, Bill Gothard & IBLP

Are women weaker in any way? Is that what 1 Peter 3 teaches? Do they have roles that can be described as weaker? Based on insights from Genesis 3:16 Bruce responds to Lauren's questions in Part 2 of this replay from her livestream to her 20,000 followers.Bruce is interviewed by Lauren who was a Jane Doe in the Bill Gothard lawsuit. Based on a recent survey she asks, How mistranslations and misinterpretations of the key passages on women and men have been weaponized? Should these passages be mistrusted or should those wayward teachings and their proponents by mistrusted? In Part Two of this interview Lauren asks Bruce about more troubling passages. What about 1 Peter 3:1-7? What about Ephesians 5:15-6:9?Go Deeper? Bruce has written four volumes in The Eden Book Series. He refers to Book 4 (on 1 Corinthians 11 & 14 and 1 Peter 3), and Book 2 (on Ephesians 5-6) in this episode. All four are based on his doctoral research and that of Joy Fleming. Available here on Amazon: https://amzn.to/4dhU0LH  The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Today, we'll be discussing a disturbing 80s actress connection, thoughts on a vape article and a little on Bill Gothard. It's going to be a lively discussion, so grab your coffee and let's get to it.There are several ways you can support the show, the easiest is to make sure you are subscribed to the YT channel and consider a super chat or joining the membership tiers.You can also check out my product videos and start your Amazon Shopping at my storefront https://amazon.com/shop/thelotsprojectToday's product of the day is the Blockstream Jade Hardware wallet. Secure your Bitcoin with an affordable hardware wallet that is easy to use and very secure. Get 10% off with discount code TheLOTSProject or just click this link https://store.blockstream.com/?code=TheLOTSProject

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Bruce is interviewed by Lauren who was a Jane Doe in the Bill Gothard lawsuit. She asks penetrating questions revealing how mistranslations and misinterpretations of the key passages on women and men have been weaponized. Should these passages be mistrusted or should those wayward teachings and their proponents by mistrusted? In less than an hour Lauren and Bruce cover multiple passages. Go Deeper? Bruce has written four volumes in The Eden Book Series. He refers to Books 1 (on Genesis 2-3), 2 (on Ephesians 5-6) and 4 (on 1 Peter 3) in this interview. All four are based on his doctoral research and that of Joy Fleming. On Genesis 2-3. God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way!On Ephesians 5-6. This is not primarily a passage on marriage. Paul writes that men and women believers are to teach and correct one another in the Spirit, and at the same time they are to submit themselves to that teaching and correction. They main truth from verse 32 is that all believers are united with Jesus in one joint-body.On 1 Peter 3:1-7. These 7 verses are Peter's advice how to witness to an unsaved spouse. In verse 7 he instructs Christian husbands not to turn off their seeking wife by unseemly behavior. Then his prayers for his spiritually weaker (unsaved) partner will not be hindered. The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

What is it like to spend your entire upbringing on reality TV? What are the dangers of a fundamentalist Christian theology? How can we expose false characterizations of God promoted by preachers who want to instill fear in their flocks as a means of control? In this episode, I have the pleasure of talking with Jessica Duggar Vuolo, former star of “19 Kids and Counting.” We discuss the blessings and struggles of her upbringing on TV, how her experience impacts her parenting decisions with her own children, how she and her family are faring after a painful revelation that led to the cancellation of the show, how to shed fear and embrace love as described in her bestselling book, “Becoming Free Indeed,” and much more.Check out our Sponsors:    We Heart Nutrition: https://www.weheartnutrition.com/ Get high quality vitamin supplements for 20% off using the code LILA.   Seven Weeks Coffee: https://www.sevenweekscoffee.com Buy your pro-life coffee with a 10% discount using the code LILA.EveryLife: https://www.everylife.com Buy diapers from an amazing pro-life diaper company and use code LILA and get 10% off!

Holly McLean has made it her mission to discredit Prime Video's documentary "Shiny Happy People" and attack victims of the Shiny Happy People Cult. She's even gone so far as to contact families of the victims and create her own counter-documentary! But Holly's son says there is a lot more to the story. Joe McLean joins Davey Jackson to talk about his Mother's obsession with defending the Shiny Happy People Cult and cult leader Bill Gothard. Follow on social media: Joe McLean - @joemcleantv Davey Jackson - @daveyjax Friends With Davey - @friendswithdavey Listen to Davey Jackson livestreaming with a new friend every Wednesday at 8:00PM CST.

Lindsey Williams lived the Shiny Happy People Cult Headquarters, working as an assistant to cult leader, Bill Gothard. After years of manipulation, control and abuse, Lindsey finally escaped, but Gothard wasn't ready to let go. Lindsey shares how a narcissistic cult leader tried to stop her from marrying the love of her life, including the sinister letter he wrote to her future husband! Lindsey Williams, from the Prime Video's "Shiny Happy People" documentary, Shelise Ann Sola, from the popular "Cults To Consciousness" YouTube series, and Davey Jackson sit down in Los Angeles, CA to catch up on the latest cult news. Watch Lindsey's interview with Shelise on Cults To Consciousness! https://youtu.be/AW19rPK9xiE?si=IFv1fREMc6XlPpw7 Watch Davey's interview with Jonathan on Cults To Consciousness! https://youtu.be/AW19rPK9xiE?si=IFv1fREMc6XlPpw7 Follow on social media: Lindsey Williams - @thecultchronicles Shelise Ann Sola - @cultstoconsciousness Davey Jackson - @daveyjax Friends With Davey - @friendswithdavey Listen to Davey Jackson livestreaming with a new friend every Wednesday at 8:00PM CST.

She was one of the plaintiffs covered in the blockbuster video series "SHINY Happy People" on Prime. After coming out of a cult she finally heard the Good News of Jesus! She was also helped by The Eden Podcast and we're so glad we could help.This is the Emily Elizabeth Anderson Story. Her website is ThrivingForward.org The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn't curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

384. Tia Levings on Mothering  I have been waiting years for this one. I met Tia in 2016 at BraveWriter homeschool conference.  Since then our friendship has developed and I count her as a mentor in my circle of trust.  I am so excited that this episode means her memoir is out in the world and it is a NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLER. Purchase it here: https://a.co/d/2kkE7tK (affiliate link) Tia Levings grew up in a Southern Baptist megachurch, was recruited into fundamentalism by mentors following Bill Gothard's IBLP (Institute of Basic Life Principles), and eventually landed in a high control group (cult) that taught Federalist Marriage: the idea that husbands are responsible for their wives before God, and so are accountable to lead and discipline them as children. She was excommunicated and formally shunned in 2007 and narrowly escaped that violent marriage with her 4 children later that year. She started trauma therapy for CPTSD in 2008. Today she's an author & advocate who supports survivors of religious trauma and educates on the abuses in Christian Fundamentalism. Tia believes that how the fundamentalists run their homes is how they want run the country ––and that's why it's vital to understand what it's really like to live that way.   https://www.instagram.com/tialevingswriter Facebook--Tia Levings The Anti-Fundamentalist | Tia Levings | Substack A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy. Coming August 6th, 2024 - TIA LEVINGS   Self-Care: Sit down on the ground Family Fun: Internatinal group chat of family members on WhatsApp   You're The Right Mom For Your Kids: Bite Size Pep Talks Just For You by Christy Thomas   Want to try a coaching call-- sign up for a free 30-minute call: https://calendly.com/christythomas/exploratory-call-free   Find me on Instagram:  Christy Thomas — Coach for Exhausted Moms (@everyday_christy) • Instagram photos and videos . Don't forget to leave a rating or review. Email me Play4life.Christy@gmail.com  Don't hesitate to reach out for coaching with Christy:  Coaching (christythomascoaching.com)      

In a years worth of Powercasts we have examined 50 Commands and Teachings of Christ published by a ministry called the Institute of Basic Life Principles (iblp.org). To show how even the founder of this ministry, Bill Gothard, couldn’t live by the teachings of Christ and his own ministry, we reached into the archives to […] The post 240830 Surviving Bill Gothard first appeared on Gospel Revolution.com.

Today is part one with Tia Levings, author of A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy. We talk about the church her family joined when she was young, how it was connected to Bill Gothard and the IBLP - which is why you may have seen her in the Amazon docuseries Shiny Happy People - how it grew more fundamentalist, and how she met her ex-husband Allen, who was abusive from the beginning. Tia tells us about the culture of domestic abuse in the heavily patriarchal evangelical communities, including practices like wife spanking, and how various church leaders would enable the abuse. Trust me is sponsored by ZocDoc! Find and book a top-rated doctor at Zocdoc.com/trustme and download the Zocdoc app for FREE! BUY OUR MERCH!! bit.ly/trustmemerch Got your own story about cults, extreme belief, or abuse of power? Leave a voicemail or text us at 347-86-TRUST (347-868-7878) OR shoot us an email at TrustMePod@gmail.com INSTAGRAM @TrustMePodcast @oohlalola @meaganelizabeth11 TWITTER @TrustMeCultPod @ohlalola @baberahamhicks TIKTOK @TrustMeCultPodcast

View the visual version of this episode here:https://youtu.be/lZFazV_SdfULindsey grew up in a religious family that devoutly followed the now-infamous IBLP IBLP organization, or “The Institute in Basic Life Principles.”Made infamous by documentaries like “Shiny Happy People,” on Amazon Prime (which Lindsey was also featured in), this church was lead by Bill Gothard, a man who somehow convinced, and still convinces, people across the world to live by rules and values he somehow didn't have to follow himself. In this episode, Lindsey tells us, in detail, her experience being one of the chosen “Gothard Girls,” and how spending time with Bill Gothard one-on-one shaped her young mind, and lead her to the crusade she now leads to spread awareness of his terrible legacy, and destroy the facade of “goodness” and “holiness” he managed to create. Find more about Lindsey via her Linktree below:The Cult Chronicles Linktree: https://linktr.ee/CultchroniclesInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecultchronicles/?hl=enSupport the Show.

Dr. Owen Strachan has the day off, but we here at Grace and Truth do not want to leave you without edifying content on this Fourth of July! In this popular episode, Owen is joined by Jinger Duggar Vuolo discuss her background in the Gothardist system and her journey to disentangle her faith from fear. They discuss the harmful teachings of Bill Gothard, the founder of the system, and how it promoted legalism, fear, and control. Jinger shares her experience of growing up in the public eye and the pressure to conform to the strict rules and expectations. She also talks about her journey to true Christian faith and the freedom she found in Christ. The conversation highlights the importance of relying on God's grace and the sufficiency of Scripture.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ryan George spent the first 20 years of his life in a cult, attending a series of Independent Fundamental Baptist churches including one where his dad was the pastor, whose word was the ultimate authority. It wasn't until Ryan was confronted with the truth that his father was a serial sexual abuser hiding his sins behind Bible verses, that Ryan realized his faith was built on a foundation of lies. He's spent the last 25 years reevaluating what he truly believes, and miraculously, while he left the spiritually abusive IFB movement, he didn't leave behind his faith altogether. In this episode, Ryan recounts his experience of confronting his father and the complex path of untangling his personal faith from the harmful tenets of American fundamentalism and the teachings of Bill Gothard. Despite the spiritual and physical abuse he endured, Ryan managed to reconstruct his faith and find redemption. His new book, "Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse," delves into these experiences and his journey toward healing. Rachel and Ryan also explore the broader implications of abuse within religious settings and how it impacts families and communities. Ryan's story is a powerful reminder of the importance of speaking out and finding one's own path to healing and faith. Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

This week on the podcast, I am joined by Christy Lynne Wood, author of the book, "Religious Rebels", to talk about her experiences growing up in Bill Gothard's IBLP cult, the detrimental effects of both spiritual abuse and spiritual exploitation, and the freedom that comes with knowing the REAL Jesus. The conversation in this episode is inspired by the topics and themes of my book "A Jumble of Crumpled Papers".   Get your copy of “A Jumble of Crumpled Papers” here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BCD5PMX5/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=      Connect with us! Austin's Instagram: www.instagram.com/austin_noll  Podcast's Instagram: www.instagram.com/crumpledpaperspodcast  Email us at crumpledpaperspodcast@gmail.com   Check out Christy's Book "Religious Rebels" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Religious-Rebels-Finding-Awkward-Middle/dp/1625862482/ref=sr_1_1?crid=36Y48CGJ7N4KY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8r0savmFHsGvuw20ovFkmJo9_M7ae9NnoNqsCE1El7myo32yUKAwA3nry_UA03OH1P1QmrOqpxPyaASXIHELWltadXgvuuiEI2WrKgSfa4bkVO7KdDeAieMrbh-JNW1XyXmbUo2f-nk7NbSVYHjDoo1kTIEQFW8krLfymCXkojJGcArw9yN0BAW5gkAE5nHA27nE_yzpFNlM14Z7erB875o-osPmXNss8fA7SdHMviE.C1TWYzKPz9IFSoF1m8_T8k1iF2pcgPvzhYpSiFNhRJQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=religious+rebels&qid=1719273857&sprefix=religious+rebels%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1    Connect with Christy! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/christylynnewood/     

Can a lack of hugs spark a hilarious debate? Celebrate our third anniversary and the thrilling end of season two of the "Don't Make It Weird" podcast! This episode is packed with laughs as we reminisce about our journey, featuring Daniel's infamous intros, comedic mishaps, and a hilarious mix-up between "quokka" and "quaker." Dina shares her amusing story of Daniel's cringe-worthy attempt to bond with her husband, Tim, over strip club laws.But it's not all fun and games—brace yourself for a deep dive into serious territory as we explore the "Shiny Happy People" documentary, focusing on the Duggar family and the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP). Trigger warnings are provided as we discuss sensitive topics like religious beliefs and sexual abuse. Dina opens up about her personal experiences growing up in a cult, shedding light on the long-term impacts, moments of epiphany, and the challenges of unlearning deeply ingrained behaviors. We also tackle the harrowing accusations against Josh Duggar and the oppressive teachings of Bill Gothard, touching on disturbing cultural norms and the damaging effects of extreme sexual repression.From the sinister influence of cult leaders like Gothard to the complex dynamics of courtship and marriage within these environments, we leave no stone unturned. Tune in as we reveal the dark consequences of hyper-repressive settings, the misuse of spiritual gifts, and the unique educational experiences shaped by cult-like upbringings. This episode is a rollercoaster of emotions, blending humor with hard-hitting truths to shed light on the hidden complexities and hypocrisies within certain religious households. Don't miss this eye-opening episode as we celebrate our journey and tackle the tough topics that matter.Support the Show.Daniel's website: https://dumps4danq.comDina's website: https://dinasaurusd.comYou can find the video presentation of this show on our YouTube channel, and the audio only version on any of your favorite podcast apps!Give us a call on the Don't Make It Weird Hotline and leave us a voicemail message! We just might use your message on a future episode of the show! 347-69-WEIRDDon't Make It Weird Podcast on Twitter: http://twitter.com/dmiwpodcastDaniel on Twitter: http://twitter.com/danqwritesthingDina on Twitter: http://twitter.com/dinasaurusdProducer Sean on Twitter: http://twitter.com/shaceholduMusic Credit:Swing Rabbit ! Swing ! by Amarià https://soundcloud.com/amariamusiqueCreative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/al-swing-rabbit-swingMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/lt7fn1NVxQM

In this episode, we'll discuss how the church's common stance on suffering for Christ often gets twisted in such a way that victims feel they cannot leave abusive homes, churches, or jobs.Rebecca Davis is a trauma-informed writer, book coach, speaker, compassionate witness, prayer minister, and lover of Jesus who lives in Greenville, South Carolina. Her work as a trauma-informed book coach and ghostwriter can be found at rebeccadaviswordworking.com.Find a list of all Rebeccas Untwisting Scriptures books here: https://heresthejoy.com/books-2/Listen to another Uncertain Episode with Rebecca S4:E12 Untwisting Teachings Around Loyalty, Sin Leveling, & BitternessUncertain is a podcast of Tears of Eden, a community and resource for those in the aftermath of Spiritual Abuse. If you're enjoying this podcast, please take a moment to like, subscribe, or leave a review on your favorite podcasting listening apparatus. You can support the podcast by going to TearsofEden.org/supportTo get in touch with us please email tearsofeden.org@gmail.comFollow on Instagram @uncertainpodcastTranscript is unedited for typos and misspellings:[00:00:00] I'm Katherine Spearing, and this is Uncertain. The uncertain podcast is the affiliate podcast of tears at Eden, a nonprofit that serves as a community and resource for survivors of spiritual abuse. This podcast and the work of tears are supported by donations from generous listeners. Like you. If you're enjoying this podcast, please consider giving a donation by using the link in the show notes or visiting tears of eaton.org/support. You can also support the podcast by rating and leaving a review and sharing on social media. If you're not already following us, please follow us on Facebook at tears of Eden and Instagram at uncertain podcast. Thanks so much for listening. Katherine: Hi, Rebecca. How are you? It's so good to be here. Thank you for having me, Catherine. I'm excited to talk about your new book, book five, where you're on twisting scriptures about brokenness and suffering. Yes, Rebecca: book five and the untwisting scripture series. My daughter asked me how many books in this series I was going to write.I said, I do not know. I'm going to keep going. [00:01:00] Katherine: Keeps coming up. I'm excited about this one. Because, well, I'm excited about all of them. I think they're all really important, but this one, I think the teaching about brokenness and suffering in the church. will often keep people in abusive situations and keep them recognizing that.And so this is really important, really, really important. And so we had another interview with you when your book four came out and so I'm going to link that in the show notes so folks have That to listen to as well, but to just get us started, I would love to hear what fuels your passion for writing these books.Rebecca: Oh boy. That's a really, really good question. For one thing, when I first got started, the first untwisting scriptures book came out in 2016 and then it was about four years before I really got the series rolling, which is not a great way to do a series, but anyway, that's what happened. But my first initial [00:02:00] passion was.I hated, hated seeing how God, and this was all new to me 10 years ago, seeing how God was being represented as an abuser. And it wasn't that I'd never heard the teachings. It's because I didn't grow up with abuse. I didn't marry into abuse. I hadn't been subject to the abuse, so I didn't see. I was just blind.To how the logical conclusion of these teachings, where that logical conclusion would go, because it was all theory to me, it hadn't been worked out in practice, but then when I saw when I heard people coming to me about this and saying, well, I was taught you have to give up all your rights was thinking, you know, kind of remember that somewhere.Well, I'd been to the Bill Gothard seminars that taught about giving up your rights many years before, but I hadn't, and I thought at the time, you know, I just believed everything he said, but there wasn't ever in my life, ever a time when my rights weren't acknowledged. [00:03:00] And just like part of the air I breathed because I was not in abuse.So then I see when people who are in abuse are being told, give up your rights. I see. Starting in 2012, the logical conclusion this is coming to, that they are going to be absolutely trampled on. And I'm, I'm astonished and appalled at what's happening to these people. And then the next step is I'm astonished and appalled that God is being represented this way.They think this is what God wants to do. And so that was my initial passion fueling me. Now I'm seeing it actually in the Bible who God really is, that he is not how these people have represented him.Katherine: Yeah, and and folks are able to determine what that looks like for them and what their beliefs look like for them and not base those beliefs on abusive people who've been teaching [00:04:00] them these abusive messages. And that's I feel like that's really important for me for folks to create their own journey and not base it on because so many things I think in the church are just either tradition.Or really harmful things that have been taught to us by. Yes, Rebecca: like listen to authority. You someone wrote to me and said yours that she was taught. I'm supposed to lead and feed and you're supposed to follow and swallow. I think that's how it went. Oh, my God. I thought I had never heard that one reaction to that.So that's that. That could be so many things. And yet that is so it's like, I was I was feeling some some, some strong emotions in response to that. But it's that authority teaching. Turn your brain off. Turn your brain off. Do not think. If you think, then you've been ungodly or something. You just have to believe me, the [00:05:00] leader, and follow me.Whereas, I've always believed since I was young and want to encourage other people. Go to the Bible yourself. Look at it yourself. Let's examine everything Untwisting Scriptures books. Go look at it yourself and see what the Bible is really teaching. Katherine: And be prepared for where that may lead, depending on the environment that you're in.Rebecca: Yes. And I hope I hope my hope is that it will lead to seeing that God really is a God who loves his people and wants to be with his people. And one of the best representations in the scriptures, I mean, there are many good ones, but one of the best is that father who's running out to the prodigal son and embracing him and bringing him in and Even wanting to have a relationship with his older son, who's, who's unhappy.Let's, I'll just put it that way, very unhappy. He wants, he wants relationship. He is a God of relationship. And the more I research the [00:06:00] topic, the untwisting scriptures, the more I see that in my study. God is a God of relationship with his people, healthy, Good relationship, not abusive relationship, not just, just obey me and stop whining, those are all things that are, I'm very, very passionate about. Katherine: So , book five, Brokenness and Suffering, what are some of the questions that you're seeking to answer with this? Rebecca: Yes, well, initially when I started this book, it was going to be called, suffering, dying to self and life.And then I started finding I realized, Oh, my goodness, I need to talk about brokenness. That's a huge thing. And then that expanded and expanded. And I realized, dying to self and life, you're gonna have to wait for a future book, I just have to focus on these two things for this book. And that's enough. And when I did start the study of brokenness, which I started, there were two things.One was prompting it. I've been [00:07:00] hearing about brokenness and how we're all broken or we're all supposed to be broken or, or brokenness is, is either godly or it's inevitable. We're just, everybody's broken or something. I was thinking something is off, something is off about all this teaching. And there were two things.That prompted my research for the brokenness section of this book, which leads into the suffering section. And one of them was a woman who wrote to me about all the triggering songs in church that talked about God in an abusive way. And at the time I thought, well, I didn't like some of these songs, but other ones of them I didn't either I didn't know or I didn't notice.And she was talking about how, how it says how different songs will say things like, crash into Me. It doesn't say destroy me, but it's almost like it says Destroy me. Mm-Hmm. , like, like completely o overcome me. And Until You, until I'm nothing. Me. [00:08:00] I think that's consume me. That's the one, that's the one consume me.And when I looked at it through her eyes. I thought, Oh my word, that's right. That's exactly what this says. I am ready to be basically destroyed by God. This, the Bible never speaks that way ever actually. So I think these songs are really problematic as much as some Christians might like these songs and reinterpret the songs in their heads.I think that the, the songs don't represent. how the Bible speaks about our God with his people. So then and the other thing I said, there were two things. One of them was this, that woman writing to me about the songs. And the other one was a very popular sermon given by Nancy Lita Moss back in the nineties.And it was, From what I could tell the beginning of her rise in fame. Now she would have already been rising in fame. She was from a very wealthy family was very well connected. but this, [00:09:00] this was at Moody and Moody Bible Institute. she gave a sermon about how everybody needed to be broken. And she's given that sermon again, like in recent days, that was 95 ish.And this, the most recent ones was 2016 and that I could find anyway. And the message was basically the same. I thought, did she change? Did she modify? But no, they're basically the same message. So I, I took a chapter to talk about the brokenness teachings. like in the songs and what the Bible says about brokenness.And so I thought, all right, this is what I do. Since I'm in untwisting scriptures, I go through every Bible reference to this concept. And I thought, I will, I probably won't find that much because You know, there just aren't that many references to brokenness in the Bible, but I was really surprised at how much I found about brokenness or breaking in the Bible.And the references were, I mean, it just delighted my [00:10:00] heart. The references were to God, how God breaks the wicked and, and it's really important for us. to understand that not everyone is the wicked. Do you see what I'm saying? Because in book four, and I had to reference back to book four to distinguish the righteous from the wicked, the wicked are the ones whose hearts are set against God.Even if, even if they present really well, even if they present as a godly person. And this is what the Bible calls wolves and sheep's clothing, which is why the subtitle of book four is wolves, hypocrisy, sin leveling, and righteousness. Sin leveling is treating all sins as equal. A very important concept to understand when you're going to recognize in the Bible, God breaks the wicked.To think, wait a minute, I love Jesus, I'm following Jesus. I don't have a heart of hypocrisy as [00:11:00] defined in the Bible, which I outlined very clearly in book four. I don't have that kind of heart. So that means I'm not one of those wicked and I'm not a person who's that God is going to break. Now, maybe somebody else is breaking me, but it won't be God.You see what I'm saying? Now, there was also the case of Psalm 51, very common verse. David refers to the bones that you have broken being able to rejoice it. So I dig into that Let's look at Psalm 51 because I saw in the scriptures. God breaks the wicked and God breaks the hard hearted believer who needs to be David Rebecca: needs something deep to happen to them in order to get them to come back to the Lord.So those are the only two things I saw the wicked, like in, in judgment, like judgment day and any other judgment the Lord brings. And the hard hearted believer, David was [00:12:00] hard hearted. He was so hard. Hard. All right. Background to Psalm 51. It's the, the repentance mourning confession Psalm after Nathan, the prophet came into David and told him you are the one who has stolen somebody else's pet lamb and destroyed it.So it was in reference to his, his abuse, sexual assault of Bathsheba and the We might say indirect murder of her husband and so broken is needed to happen. Exactly. Exactly. When David committed adultery, or I might say committed sexual abuse, rape of Beth Sheba, he could have repented. Then he could have repented at any time.He could have turned back to the Lord at any point, but when he, when you see that, not only when she told him, I, I'm going to have a baby. When he, he, he didn't. Like come before the Lord in weeping and mourning at that time. [00:13:00] He said, okay, I better get her husband out of the way that shows hard heartedness When someone is hard hearted God does knee I would say I would pray for God to do some breaking of that person to break their hearts over their sin That's what happened to David That is a very specific psalm about, about a very specific situation that would apply to people if they are hard hearted.I don't like all of us, the ones who love Jesus and are following Him and want to do His will and are desperate to do His will, praying that. Because it doesn't apply to us. One of my points in my books, all the way through the books is that not all scripture applies to us. We can learn from all of it, but we don't take all of it and say, this is about me.That just isn't, it's, it's one of the foundational hermeneutical principles that I follow when I work on my untwisting scriptures books. They don't all apply to [00:14:00] every Katherine: context. That's right. That's right. Rebecca: Yes. So then that's that chapter, and I talk about Nancy Liedemaus sermon and the examples that she uses of brokenness.that either don't apply or don't even make sense. So I do want to point out illogic when, when people are illogical, because illogic happens a lot. And when it's just in a flow, in a flow of things, people might not notice. There's illogic going on because for one thing, they're taught to turn off their brains when they're hearing a sermon.And that's what I did back in my Bill Gothard days. I just received, received, received. And it was years later that I looked at it and thought, Oh my word, this stuff is terrible. Katherine: Yeah. Rebecca: That I did not see it at the time. I will excuse myself because I was very young, but it was still really wrong and I should have been paying attention and listening.Katherine: I agree with the logic thing. And I think that logic has been a huge part of my story, even when I was young [00:15:00] and. All the way up into my mid twenties, my main abuser, spiritual abuser teaching these things.And then also teaching us that we need to know our Bible and go and read your Bible. And then I would read the Bible and I would see something different than what they were teaching. And then I would talk to them about it. And then they would tell me that I was wrong. And it was, and the logic of like, that why do you get to be the one if like god is the authority that we're listening to and the bible is what we're supposed to be paying attention to and i come to a different conclusion to you than you why do you get to be the one that decides and i think I believe this person has a lot of different personality disorders because I really believe that they didn't think it was possible for someone to think differently than them.I think they were so completely flabbergasted. They thought they were so right. And then if everyone [00:16:00] studied the way they studied, then everyone would come to their same conclusion about it. And there was no space for like, nuance, context, the fact that it didn't apply to you and, and just, again, like, the logic of the situation being a massive factor for me to like, wake up to those, you know, Wake up to some of the stuff that was happening and like, this actually is just doesn't make sense, you Rebecca: know, and you are exceptional that way, because you were actually asking questions.So many people when they go to the Bible, if they see something, or if their logic, or the Holy Spirit leads them to a different conclusion from what they've been taught. Many, many people will just shut that part out, shut it out, shut it out, because that's heresy if I believe something different from my leader.And then for [00:17:00] many people, they'll listen to audios of their leader more than they'll listen to the Bible. They'll read things written by their leader more than they'll read the Bible. Yeah. But the fact is that there are certain aspects of biblical doctrine that people have been disagreeing on. Like for hundreds and thousands of years.It's so true. We're not going to suddenly figure it out. So that's where we say we can, we can have, you know, there are just a very few basics that you agree on to call yourself a Christian. And like, I believe as a, as a Christian. And when I use that word, I want to use it in the way the book of acts uses it rather than the way it's used nowadays.When I call myself a Christian, I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior. And there are really very few things that will keep me [00:18:00] from fellowshipping or having a camaraderie, let's say, instead of that other word with other people who disagree with me on a lot of different things. So it's just.I'm so glad you were able to see that. But it really, it's astonishing when you step back and look, this sounds like the way a cult operates. You have to agree with the leader. Katherine: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that they would discourage you from reading the Bible if more people were doing that. And then like what is the Christian scientists?Mary Baker Eddy's book is used to interpret the Bible, so they would, like, tell you very specifically, like, this is what this means. So you read it, but you have to have it accompanied with this other voice. So there's a Rebecca: certain filter. Here's the filter that you have to put over the Bible when you read it.And if you read it without that filter, then you're in deep, [00:19:00] dark trouble. And you might be headed for hell, you know, so it's that way following your own ways. Yes. Yes. And your own what your own heart is what deceitful above all things, right? That is in that's in one of my untwisting scriptures books. I don't know Katherine: what that verse means.Exactly. That's a very common, commonly Misused and abused scripture. Yes, it's Rebecca: used like an attack rocket, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna mow you down with this one. It's really easy to just be like, well, your heart is deceitful. That's right. It took me Katherine: a long while to be like, why do you get to say that?Rebecca: That's right. Because doesn't that mean your heart is deceitful too? Your heart is deceitful too? Which one's Rebecca: more? That's right. That's right. And, and it is. It's it can be so difficult for people coming out of these super authoritarian structures to recognize. Hey, I have the Holy Spirit too. I can, I can listen to the Lord [00:20:00] too.I can read the Bible too. What if I come to a different conclusion about certain things? Does that mean that I'm, that the Lord is going to reject me because I wasn't listening to my authority? Or does it mean? My authority and I are actually my my so called authority and I are actually on the same level ground that we both get to read the Bible and and seek the Lord and ask the Lord what he means.And maybe we can read other people. I hope some people will read my books, of course, but I never want my books to supersede or be a filter through which you read the scriptures. Read the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit what they mean. Ask him to help you connect scripture with scripture. I pass on, What I've learned, but I want everybody to dig in for themselves.And if you come to a different conclusion, I will say, I hope we can still be friends, you know? Katherine: Oh yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think that that's that's, [00:21:00] that's really great to just hold, hold that space for differences of opinions and not being, and as you said, just like the, Evidence of a cult leader being super dogmatic that this is the way that it exists, but it's so powerful, especially if you're raised in it, like that you can't trust yourself.And especially if that's assigned to something like, because you're a child, you can't, you have to trust the adults or because you are a teenager or because you are in your 20s or because you are a woman or any of these other. Things that are intrinsic to us that then make us untrustworthy to be able to read scripture and interpret it.It's really powerful, really difficult. Absolutely. Rebecca: And, and the environment a child is raised in is huge. A lot of the people who write to me are, you know, People who were raised in in the spiritually abusive environments [00:22:00] that we might call cults. Yes that They're trying to break out of and there are patterns in their mind That they can be changed.I love how new brain science is showing that new patterns can be formed in the brain. Whereas before they used to talk about the brain, like it was cement and you couldn't do anything about it, but definitely new patterns can be formed. And I do have a free a free guide on my website. Here's the joy.com. That's called how to enjoy the Bible again, after spiritual abuse, how to enjoy the Bible again, when you're ready after spiritual abuse without feeling guilty or getting triggered out of your mind. Because a lot of people say, when I try to read the Bible, I hear it in my abuser's voice. Yep. And I don't know how to break out of that.It is possible. It is possible to break out of that, but it can be. a road. It can be a dream. Sure. Katherine: Yeah. And that was true for me for probably [00:23:00] seven, eight years reading the Bible. And like, I cannot get the interpretation of, you know, this person out of my head. And I mean, that's trauma. It's trauma. It's a trauma bond.It's a, yes, absolutely. It's very, very deep. Rebecca: . And understanding those things, I think understanding the, the way the brain works, the mind and brain system. As well as understanding spiritual abuse and then wanting to understand the Bible. I think all of those things need to work together. I think it's good for, for us to have a deeper understanding.I have something, this is off the subject of book five, but I'm going to tell you this. On my website, heresthejoy. com, I have a statement of beliefs, my statement of beliefs. And one of the sections is called the sufficiency of scripture. And in that section I say I believe the scripture is sufficient to show us who God is, how our salvation is accomplished, what he wants from us, and, and how we can relate to him, blah, blah, blah.[00:24:00] But I believe the scripture is not sufficient, and was never intended to be sufficient, to tell us all the ways abuse can be executed on people off the way the brain works in trauma and several other things I list there. The script that isn't what the scripture is about. Yeah. So for us to look to brain science or some tools that people use, like, oh, say EMDR, maybe because of how the brain works, isn't going against the Bible.That isn't what the Bible's about. It can actually be a tool Those things, some of those brainy things can be tools to help us regulate better so that we can come back to the scriptures and look at them fresh and see more clearly after spiritual abuse who God really is, who we really are, and how the world operates, how salvation is accomplished, all of those things.They can be extremely [00:25:00] helpful. Katherine: , I remember my main abuser saying the Bible is good enough for everything. It is, is, it is, I don't know if they were use the word sufficient, but like it, it like it is the only book that you need which is so It's so discombobulated when absolutely, Rebecca: It is the revelation of God to man about God, about salvation.You know, we can learn about God from nature. We can learn a lot about God from nature, but to understand his plan of salvation, that's in the Bible. But there are other things, like the Bible does not address those things, and it never intended to address those things.So we've got to get outside of the book. The box of the Bible is sufficient for everything. I, I, I find it so funny and ironic and hypocritical that Jay Adams, the founder of Newthetic, so called biblical counseling. I know all these people. I know all these people. Wrote like a hundred books telling you that the Bible is the [00:26:00] only book you need, Katherine: you're right, that is so ironic. But read my book to tell you that. Rebecca: That's right, you've got to read my books. But, but I will go back and say the Bible is the only book you need. Anyway, it doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah, that is Katherine: your absolute logic. Logic here, right?There you go. There's the logic. This podcast and the work of tears are supported by donations from generous listeners. Like you. If you're enjoying this podcast, please consider giving a donation by using the link in the show notes or visiting tears of eaton.org/support.Katherine: What are some of the responses that you have received to this particular book? Rebecca: I get responses. To all my books, pretty often, like some people have just discovered the series and they're reading the whole series and last summer I sent this one brokenness and suffering out to my beta readers, and then my book launch team, and I got a lot of bit strong responses from them about [00:27:00] how, you know, some of them have read all of my books and they, and they think maybe they're all done untwisting all the, all the things.And they read the next one and they go, Oh my word, there were all these things too. So, so I do often get responses like this was extremely helpful and it has been very freeing to me. Freeing is one of the. One of the most common words I get, and of course, if you're all tangled up, the, the, the subtitle of my earlier books was Untwisting Scriptures that have been used to tie you up.gag you and tangle your mind. So if those things are being undone, then of course you're going to feel free. I think some church leaders feel afraid of the concept of people getting free because then they maybe they think, oh, then they'll They'll be free to sin. Well, you know, the New Testament talks a good bit about freedom, and it's not freedom to sin.[00:28:00] It's freedom in Jesus Christ to actually know him, that's when I pound over and over.I pound on that because that was so free to me 20 years ago when I first understood it, that I wanted other people to know it. All of our righteousness is in Jesus Christ alone, not in the hoops we jump through, not in the list we keep, not in the ways we make ourselves smaller and smaller. Smaller and more and more invisible and more and more ready to be kicked and punched and beaten down.Not any of that. It is all in Jesus Christ alone. So I do emphasize in this book the importance of understanding that God is not the one, except in those two cases, the wicked and the hard hearted believer. He's not the one who inflicts. This broken, this breaking, he's not the one who [00:29:00] inflicts the, the abuse and a common saying, I guess, in Christendom is we are all broken.And I've never really liked that one because I thought, how can we all. always be broken. Does God, does God not ever heal? Does he never heal brokenness? I can understand being broken because there are abusers and, and there are people who break and shatter people who, I mean, there's some people who are really, really beaten down.Isn't God the healer? So why are we going to keep on saying that we're all broken? Can we go to him for healing? Does he heal? That's one of the questions I wanted to grapple with. And Jesus says right there in the scriptures that he has come to heal the brokenhearted and to set the captives free. So I don't think it's scriptural to say we're all broken all the time, [00:30:00] forever and ever.We can say, actually, he's healed me. Now, I want people to be honest if they still feel shattered if they still feel broken, then definitely. Let's let's Do what needs to be done, not deny that feeling exactly. We don't want to just deny that, but Rebecca: we do want to see that healing is possible down the road and coming to the Lord is not an identity Katherine: that we have to embrace.That's Rebecca: right. And there is another thing I addressed in that book two chapters on it, the victim mentality, because it was really bothering me a lot that people were being accused of having a victim mentality. When, familiar with that one, when they want to get help, when they want to warn other people when they need to process their trauma.I mean, when they express that they don't like something. Yes. Like, Oh, you're just stuck in the past. You just have your victim mentality. [00:31:00] Get out of that. And I think, so what is a victim mentality really? So I do think it's possible to have a victim mentality, but the only. way I saw it as being a real thing is when a person accuses everybody else of always being the problem.Like everybody else is always taking advantage of me. I lost my last, I got fired from my last 10 jobs, but it was always somebody else. It was always the boss. It was always the co worker. And I thought, That sounds more like an abuser than a victim to me, like abusers or, and maybe, maybe not abusers, but people who just aren't willing to actually look at themselves and see how they need to change.But to accuse someone of this very victim mentality, that term is always negative to accuse someone of having this victim mentality, when really they are just trying to they're trying to [00:32:00] bring awareness to others of a big problem, like either a problem they need help with or a problem like you've got a problem in your church.I've heard so often when people are trying to bring awareness about an abuser in the church or lack of safety in the Nursery for example. Yeah. Oh, you're just you're you're just too Stuck in the past because you had childhood trauma yourself. So their own their own ability to see the problems is ignored because They, they're the canary in the coal mine because they have a greater ability to see the problems.They notice things. Anyway, I'm talking, talking. What do you want to say, Kevin? Katherine: My, my final question is, you know, kind of, we're talking about it and we're, we're talking about it. We're addressing it, but I would love to hear, are there any specific ways that you have seen this [00:33:00] twisted application of brokenness and suffering, keeping people in abusive systems?And how have you seen that play out? Oh, absolutely. Rebecca: One of the chapters in this book is specifically based on a letter I received from someone, and often blog posts or book chapters are based on answers to letters I've received. A woman who was in an abusive marriage for very, very long time, many decades, said it was based on something about something that Puritan had written about suffering, but that's just one of many.It could have been many, many people writing about suffering and how when we suffer, it's like the suffering of Jesus. And there can be redemption through our suffering because he brought redemption through his suffering. And so she said, I would even look for ways to suffer. Because I felt like that was going to make me more godly.People say our suffering is going to make us more godly. And so I would look [00:34:00] for ways to suffer. And I would, I don't think she said she was glad when her abusive husband abused her, but she was sure that that was going to make her more godly. And it took her a very, very long time to understand that that was not the heart of God.And it was right. To get away from suffering at the hands of someone who said, who promised he would love and protect you promised it before a room of witnesses. That's it's, it's so twisted. And I don't blame the individuals for having the twisted thinking, because it's what they've been taught to think that someone who promises at the wedding ceremony, the wedding vows.Promises to love and protect you and then abuses you that that's a good thing That is not a good thing and yet so much of the church You you need to stay in that abusive marriage. Of course, they won't call it abuse. They'll just call it marriage and [00:35:00] need to stay you need to stay in that marriage and Continue to suffer and god will refine you and he will redeem your marriage and all these wrong teachings That is that keep people in a place of oppression.So it is, and it's not just marriage. It's also children under abusive parents and abusing trafficking situations. Yes. The abusive pastor. Yes, absolutely. Well, I should just say church leader because he's not really a pastor, but self proclaimed leader. That's right. That's right. There you go. The It's part of this is so I see how all the abusive teachings work together and I address lots of abusive teachings in my five books so far, how all of them work together to create this environment this atmosphere, almost like a web, a web around people, you try to push against it and just you just get more and more stuck in the [00:36:00] web.Yeah, and, and all of these different things. These teachings that are not the heart of God and not really what the scripture teaches are pushing against people to try to keep them small, keep them contained, keep them from thinking, keep them from listening to the Holy Spirit, keeping them from being able to escape their abusive situation.So that is my passion to get Katherine: back to the very first question you asked. And what would you, say to someone who does wake up and recognizes I'm, I'm in this abusive system and this teaching is keeping me trapped here. What would be, you know, maybe like a safe exit plan or what are, you know, what are some initials?I Rebecca: actually, I actually don't do exit plans. I refer them to people who do because that's not my specialty. And I want to, I want, I am willing to stay. I love it. Yeah, that's right. I stay in my lane and I'm absolutely willing to [00:37:00] stay connected with people.You know, they can make appointments with me. We can stay connected by email. One person recently wrote and said, I don't know if you even see this. It might be your assistant who sees it. Well, no, I, I read and answer all my emails, but for actual exit plans, That is, that's huge. People need to have them. But I have connections of people who are passionate about helping people in that way.And I'm happy to refer them to someone who can do that with them. Katherine: Great. I appreciate that. Well, thank you so, so much. Tell folks where they can find you and find your book. Rebecca: Yes. Here's the joy. com is my website and you can see all my stuff there and my books. My Untwisting Scriptures book series are all on Amazon.. And I've written or co written over 20 books, so I'm well versed in this area and happy to help others. Great. Thank you so much for Katherine: untwisting scriptures. Thank you, Catherine, for having me. I really [00:38:00] appreciate it. Uncertain is produced, recorded, edited, and hosted by me, Katherine Spearing. Intro music is from the band Green Ashes. I hope you've enjoyed this podcast. And if you have, please take a moment to like subscribe and leave a review. Thank you so much for listening and I will see you next time.

On June 2nd, 2023, the documentary series "Shiny Happy People" premiered on Amazon Prime. While the series' tagline promised to expose some Duggar family secrets, it ended up revealing much more, particularly the work and philosophy of Bill Gothard, the creator of the Institute in Basic Life Principles and the Advanced Training Institute. Gothard's curriculum was marketed as extremely helpful for families in protecting their children, but it ultimately caused incredible harm.Today, a year after the series premiered on Amazon Prime, I'm sitting down with one of the cast members of "Shiny Happy People," Lindsay Williams, to discuss her life journey from starting in IBGP at the age of eight to working alongside Bill Gothard one-on-one at headquarters. We even spent a good chunk of the conversation discussing Lindsay Williams' life now, both as an advocate and as a successful makeup artist who has worked with brands like Vogue and GQ. We explore what it's like transitioning from being a repressed homeschooler to working in the fast-paced world of beauty and fashion.It's an incredible conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed talking to Lindsay; we instantly became friends, and I'm certain you'll love hearing from her in this episode of the Preacher Boys podcast.✖️✖️✖️Support the Show: Patreon.com/PreacherBoys✖️✖️✖️If you or someone you know has experienced abuse, visit courage365.org/need-help✖️✖️✖️CONNECT WITH THE SHOW:preacherboyspodcast.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@PreacherBoyshttps://www.facebook.com/preacherboysdoc/https://twitter.com/preacherboysdochttps://www.instagram.com/preacherboysdoc/https://www.tiktok.com/@preacherboyspodTo connect with a community that shares the Preacher Boys Podcast's mission to expose abuse in the IFB, join the OFFICIAL Preacher Boys Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1403898676438188/*as an amazon associate I may receive a small commission on purchases made through links in these show notesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/preacher-boys-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Send us a Text Message.*Warning: This Episode Contains Descriptions of Sexual Abuse*Ryan George, author of 'Hurt and Healed by the Church,' shares his personal journey of healing from church hurt caused by his abusive pastor father. He discusses the damaging effects of church abuse and the importance of finding healing within a faith community. Ryan also sheds light on the independent fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement, describing it as a cult-like environment characterized by authoritarian leadership and strict rules. He emphasizes the need to believe and support victims of church abuse and highlights the challenges of seeking justice within the church and legal systems. In this conversation, Ryan George and Josh discuss the tension between the representation of Jesus in the church and the reality of who Jesus is. They explore the ways in which people have wrapped their faith around political figures and justify their actions based on their interpretation of Jesus. They also delve into the connection between the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement and the teachings of Bill Gothard, highlighting the abusive practices and toxic theology that have been prevalent in these circles. Ryan shares his journey of deconstructing and reconstructing his faith, emphasizing the importance of following the example of Jesus and surrounding oneself with safe and grace-filled voices. He encourages listeners to seek healing and recovery, reminding them that it is possible and that Jesus can be found in unexpected places.Buy Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse: https://a.co/d/0bDEIieGuest Bio:Ryan George co-leads Dude Group, a parachurch spiritual adventure community, as well as a serving incubator of volunteers at his church. During business hours, he works as a virtual marketing assistant; and his work has won more than 250 state & national awards for projects spanning 49 states and seven countries. Ryan enjoys conversations about the connection between faith and adventure. His goal is to help you embrace a life of spiritual awareness and discovery. Whether on stage or on social media, he hopes to inspire you to follow Jesus outside your comfort zones. In his books and blog posts, Ryan invites readers to explore a rich faith experience available in the midst of doubt, fear, and pressure.Ryan has traveled to all seven continents and both polar circles across 30 countries, searching for spiritual discoveries. He looks for Jesus in places and activities that don't look like Sunday morning church services. And, because Jesus promised "The Faith Roundtable" is a captivating spinoff from the Faithful Politics podcast, dedicated to exploring the crucial issues facing the church in America today. Hosted by Josh Burtram, this podcast brings together faith leaders, theologians, and scholars for deep, respectful discussions on topics at the heart of American Christianity. From the intersection of faith and public life to urgent matters such as social justice and community engagement, each episode offers insightful conversations Support the Show.To learn more about the show, contact our hosts, or recommend future guests, click on the links below: Website: https://www.faithfulpoliticspodcast.com/ Faithful Host: Josh@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Political Host: Will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Twitter: @FaithfulPolitik Instagram: faithful_politics Facebook: FaithfulPoliticsPodcast LinkedIn: faithfulpolitics Subscribe to our Substack: https://faithfulpolitics.substack.com/

CW: sexual and physical abuse, spiritual abuse, grooming, molestation, childhood trauma In this episode we're joined by Ryan George, who is the author of Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse. During our conversation, Ryan tells us his story, which centers on how his father was an abusive pastor in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist context, influenced by Bill Gothard's teaching. As Ryan articulates, he had every reason to leave the church and never return, but his story includes redemption after he deconstructed his fundamentalist way of being Christian. From his vantage point, Ryan highlights some of the features that characterize safe churches for people who have been hurt by the church. Team members on the episode from The Two Cities include: Dr. Josh Carroll, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, and the Rev. Dr. Nathaniel Warne. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Brenda J and Karen W interview Lauren Rose, a domestic and cult abuse survivor, advocate, and Communications Coordinator for Called To Peace Ministries. Lauren Rose tells her story of cult abuse and how it led up to her becoming Jane Doe IV in the lawsuit against Bill Gothard.  She also talks about how Joy Forrest and Called To Peace Ministries played an important role in her healing journey. https://www.calledtopeace.org https://hangingontohope.org

Dr. Owen Strachan interviews Jinger Duggar Vuolo about her background in the Gothardist system and her journey to disentangle her faith from fear. They discuss the harmful teachings of Bill Gothard, the founder of the system, and how it promoted legalism, fear, and control. Jinger shares her experience of growing up in the public eye and the pressure to conform to the strict rules and expectations. She also talks about her journey to true Christian faith and the freedom she found in Christ.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Brenda J and Karen W interview Lauren Rose, a domestic and cult abuse survivor, advocate, and Communications Coordinator for Called To Peace Ministries. Lauren Rose tells her story of cult abuse and how it led up to her becoming Jane Doe IV in the lawsuit against Bill Gothard.  She also talks about how Joy Forrest and Called To Peace Ministries played an important role in her healing journey. https://www.calledtopeace.org https://hangingontohope.org

Do you feel like you're checking boxes to ensure your child's success but still questioning your approach? Well, you're not alone.  Listen as Lacy Estelle dives into ADHD and the myth of transactional parenting. Discover why fulfilling tasks aren't the key to everything and how true fulfillment is found in grace and intentionality.  Lacy challenges the fear-based parenting narrative and shares insightful experiences to help you embrace faith and act in ways that glorify God. Plus, don't miss her candid take on Bill Gothard's teachings and why they don't align with biblical principles.3 Key Takeaways:- Parenting is not a series of transactions guaranteeing successful outcomes; it's a journey of faith, intention, and individual growth.- True fulfillment comes from a relationship with God that is rooted in grace and faith, rather than fear and a checklist of tasks.- Our worth and the worth of our relationships, especially with our children, are not defined by societal standards but through compassion and trust in God's plan.Links & Resources:#192 Escaping Legalism and Cult-like Teachings, with Jinger Duggar Vuolo, on The Alisa Childers PodcastThe Intentional Mom Podcast | Simple, Practical Life & Home Solutions for Women of All Ages & Stages of Life Support the show

We've got such a compelling interview with Lauren Rose from Called to Peace Ministries. She's telling her story--and it's a mesmerizing one--of what happened as her family got more and more into the Bill Gothard movement (and she was eventually one of the ones he allegedly abused, and was part of the lawsuit).But when you grow up feeling like your main role is to submit, are you even able to recognize abuse?Lauren tells her story of being in an abusive marriage, and how she eventually realized something was wrong and came out of it.(Also: at the beginning I quoted a Bible passage and said Matthew 18. I meant Matthew 15. Sorry!)Our Sponsor:The Kingdom Girls NIV Bible. Meet the women in God's story! Designed for girls, but honestly--it's awesome for every woman! And it makes a great Easter gift. The Bible includes beautiful photos and write-ups on every woman who is mentioned in Scripture. Finally, a Bible that highlights God's story for women.  View a sample of the Bible here!To Support Us:Join our Patreon for as little as $5 a month to support our workFor tax deductible donations in the U.S., support Good Fruit Faith Initiative through the Bosko FoundationAnd check out our Merch, or any of our courses!About Lauren Rose and Called to Peace:Called to Peace MinistriesFind Called to Peace on Facebook, including my interview on how Sexual Coercion is Domestic AbuseThings Mentioned in the Podcast: Our podcast with another Gothard Survivor, Emily ElizabethOur interview with Alyssa Wakefield, who grew up in a Gothard home and was groomed for abuse (Part 1, and Part 2).Our podcast episode 229 with Jay Stringer about Josh Howerton's wedding night adviceMy Twitter thread about Josh Howerton's "apology"The original thread that went viral, as well as a Join Sheila at Bare Marriage.com!Check out her books: The Great Sex Rescue She Deserves Better The Good Girl's Guide to Great Sex and The Good Guy's Guide to Great Sex And she has an Orgasm Course and a Libido course too!Check out all her courses, FREE resources, books, and so much more at Sheila's LinkTree.

*Content Warning: eating disorders, mentions of homophobia* In this follow up episode we're going to continue with Oceana's story growing up under the strict Institute in Basic Life Principles run by Bill Gothard who was recently exposed for preying on young girls.  She opens up about coming home from the IBLP training camps, her parents' reaction, how it led to further untreated eating d*sorders, how all of the programming and IBLP culture permeated into her adult life, and how it's still affecting her now. Oceana discussing becoming an exotic dancer, how she uncovered her s*xuality, understanding that she was gay, and how she was able to ultimately deprogram from the IBLP. Watch PT 1 with Oceana hereFind and Support OceanaYouTube: @oceana33 IG: @witchybishhh_TT: Ana.OceanaOur C2C vacation where we can meet you in real life and go on adventures together has 5 spots left!  Click here to go to the official booking page Young Oceana holding everything in and having night terrorsTW: Self harm. Did Oceana's parents notice what she was going through?TW: Ocean struggled with eating disordersOceana battling with eating disorders in her twentiesBill Gothard's Red Flags cause Oceana's family to leave the IBLPOceana's life after IBLPOceana started exotic dancing part timeTherapy and meditation has helped Oceana since leaving the IBLPOceana coming into her sexualityWhat brings Oceana peace nowOur Merch! Patreon: Patreon.com/cultstoconsciousnessVenmo @sheliseannAny donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcastWebsite CultsToConsciousness.comFind Shelise on Social media!Instagram @cultstoconsciousnessHost Instagram @sheliseannTikTok @cults.to.consciousnessTwitter @cultstoconTheme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara**Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

Dr. Owen Strachan and Tom Buck, the senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Lindale, Texas, continue their discussion on the dangers of Gothardism, a system of ideas associated with Bill Gothard. They highlight the fear-driven paradigm that can arise from legalistic teachings and emphasizes the importance of viewing adoption through the lens of God's fatherhood. The discussion also addresses the effects of false teaching and the need for compassion towards those who have been broken by it.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

*Content Warning: eating disorders, self harm* Further shedding light on the Institute in Basic Life Principles run by Bill Gothard who was recently exposed for preying on young girls, is Oceana who grew up living by their rules. Extreme patriarchy, silencing and sexualization of women and blaming those who are being hurt, are just a few things that create compounded trauma. Oceana fought through untreated eating d*sorders, because therapists were considered sinful, as well as the mental health struggles that came with the strict confines of the religious practices and IBLP training centers. Watch Pt 2 with Oceana hereFind and Support OceanaYouTube: @oceana33 Our C2C vacation where we can meet you in real life and go on adventures together has 6 spots left!  Click here to go to the official booking page The IBLP patriarchal rules that affected Oceana growing upGrowing up with 6 siblings, the older ones having to parenHow to Train Up book was used in Oceana's houseThe various punishments Oceana would receiveWhat it was like being home schooled under IBLP The homeschool Wisdom booklets are inaccurate, filled with brainwash and teach victim blamingThe case of JD and his predatory behaviorHow Oceana received much unwanted attention from men growing upTW: When her eating disorders startedSent to the IBLP training centerTW: Eating disorder being a sinProblematic conditions at the training centerTW: mentions of self harm & an eating disorderOur Merch! Patreon: Patreon.com/cultstoconsciousnessVenmo @sheliseannAny donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcastWebsite CultsToConsciousness.comFind Shelise on Social media!Instagram @cultstoconsciousnessHost Instagram @sheliseannTikTok @cults.to.consciousnessTwitter @cultstoconTheme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara**Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

Dr. Owen Strachan and Pastor Tom Buck the senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Lindale, Texas, discuss the dangers of Gothardism, a system of ideas associated with Bill Gothard. They explore Gothard's teachings on music, adoption, and other topics. They highlight the need for a biblical understanding of grace and caution against legalistic approaches to music and instruments. The conversation emphasizes the importance of discernment and the sufficiency of Scripture in evaluating teachings and practices. This conversation delves into the misuse of scripture and the dangers of adopting simplistic answers.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today we are honored to be joined by Ali Davis, a cult and childhood torture survivor. Ali grew up under Bill Gothard's teachings (otherwise known as the fundamentalist Christian cult portrayed in ‘Shiny Happy People'). Due in large part to Ali's childhood experiences, she is now in her early 30s and childfree by choice. Ali is passionate about raising awareness of non-war related childhood torture and is the founder and Executive Director of the pretti graffiti foundation — the first and only nonprofit in the US dedicated to securing humanitarian aid for other survivors. Follow pretti graffiti foundation on Instagram.Visit the pretti graffiti foundation website to learn more or donate. To shop Erika's mentioned lip stain, visit Wonderskin. (Not an ad.)Wanna go to Switzerland with us? As of publishing, there are only 6 spots left so don't waste time! Book now.Today's podcast is brought to you by Childfree Wealth, a life and financial planning firm dedicated to helping childfree and permanently childless people live their best life without kids. Visit their website to get started — and tell them we sent you!  Support this show.Wanna connect with us on social media? You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at @dinkypod. If you have a question or comment, email us at dinky@dinkypod.com

On today's podcast I sit down and talk with Ryan George author of “Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse.” Ryan says he “spent the first 20 years of his life attending a series of Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) churches including one where his dad was the pastor, adhering to the dangerous teachings of men like Bill Gothard.”For the past 25 years, Ryan was forced to examine deeply ingrained beliefs – including ideas around consent and abuse – and reevaluate what he truly believes. While he left the dangerous fundamental theology, Ryan didn't walk away from Jesus, reconstructing his faith and attending (a non-abusive) church, where his wife is on staff. To learn more about Ryan: https://www.booksbyryan.com/Make sure to sign up for the Framework Field Notes newsletter which goes out every Monday: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/Build your own Tribe with Tribe Builder: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/gear/p/tribe-builder-the-gospelsTo get more PoM Podcast content and join a global community of men who help support PoM join The Herd: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/join-the-herdSecure your spot at our Fall Men's Retreat: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/gear/p/2024-mens-retreatCheck out our newest sponsor to the podcast JoyLight Coffee Roasters from Topeka Kansas. Listen to today's show to save 10% off of your next order: https://joylightcoffee.com/Support the show

Subscriber-only episodeOn today's podcast I sit down and talk with Ryan George author of “Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse.” Ryan says he “spent the first 20 years of his life attending a series of Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) churches including one where his dad was the pastor, adhering to the dangerous teachings of men like Bill Gothard.”For the past 25 years, Ryan was forced to examine deeply ingrained beliefs – including ideas around consent and abuse – and reevaluate what he truly believes. While he left the dangerous fundamental theology, Ryan didn't walk away from Jesus, reconstructing his faith and attending (a non-abusive) church, where his wife is on staff. To learn more about Ryan: https://www.booksbyryan.com/Make sure to sign up for the Framework Field Notes newsletter which goes out every Monday: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/Build your own Tribe with Tribe Builder: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/gear/p/tribe-builder-the-gospelsTo get more PoM Podcast content and join a global community of men who help support PoM join The Herd: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/join-the-herdSecure your spot at our Fall Men's Retreat: https://www.thepursuitofmanliness.com/gear/p/2024-mens-retreatCheck out our newest sponsor to the podcast JoyLight Coffee Roasters from Topeka Kansas. Listen to today's show to save 10% off of your next order: https://joylightcoffee.com/

Dr. Owen Strahan is joined by Tom Buck, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas and they discuss  the teachings and influence of Bill Gothard, particularly in the context of parenting and family life. The discussion highlights the core ideas of Gothardism, including legalism, formulaic approaches to sanctification, and the elevation of Gothard's interpretations and applications over Scripture. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr. Clint Heacock is an ex-evangelical pastor and Bible college teacher of over 20 years and the host of the MindShift podcast. Clint grew up in the Church of Christ with parents who followed the Bill Gothard method of child-rearing. After deconstructing his former Christian faith and leaving it behind more than a decade ago, he's used his podcast platform to educate and help those who have left religion to rebuild their lives. Recently Clint has been dedicated to speaking out about the dangers posed by the Christian Right, dominion theology, and Christian nationalism. Today's episode is actually a two-part conversation you'll be hearing the first half of the conversation here on IndoctriNation and you can listen to the second half now over at Clint's Mindshift podcast using the link below or just search for Mindshift on your favorite podcast platform: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mindshift-podcast/id1199559501 In the first half of this two-part conversation, Clint shares his insights from years of researching the Christian right and dominion theology, outlining their goals and examining the societal impact as they attempt to ingratiate themselves into U.S. politics. Before You Go: Rachel explains why it's important to be vigilant in recognizing the covert intentions of high-control groups and examines the agenda of Christian nationalism. You can find out more about Dr. Heacock and his work at: https://mindshiftpodcast.co.uk/ All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Alisa Childers and I had the honor of interviewing Jinger Duggar Vuolo, author of "Becoming Free Indeed: My Story of Disentangling Faith from Fear." You might remember her from TLC's popular shows, "19 Kids and Counting" and "Counting On." We discuss some of the legalistic teachings of Bill Gothard and how there was an ironic prosperity twist on his Life Principles doctrine. We also ask her about her journey of disentanglement and why deconstruction was not an option for her because of her love for Jesus and truth. She has a humbling and inspiring story.  

You probably are pretty familiar with the Duggar family, from TLC's hit show 19 and Counting. But do you know about the sexual abuse they hid for years? And do you know about the organization, often called a dangerous cult, that shaped their beliefs that may have led to them downplay that sexual abuse, The Institute in Basic Life Principles? Wild one today.  A lot more talk about riding bikes than I anticipated. Hail Nimrod! GIVING TREE INFORMATION: If you would like to donate this year, go to amazon.com and purchase a gift card. When you fill out the box of whom to send this gift card to, simply enter the following email address: givingtree2023@badmagicproductions.com.If you want to be a recipient of the Giving Tree - on Tuesday November 21st at 12:00 noon PT, we will be begin accepting applications on our website, badmagicmerch.com. THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO SUBMIT YOUR FAMILY.Act fast! When the maximum number of families we can help have submitted, the application will stop working. Good luck and Hail Nimrod! Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/P8KMFbdbGU4Merch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comTimesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog  (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE.  You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch.  And you get the download link for my secret standup  album, Feel the Heat.

This week Greg sat down and reviewed the documentary "Shiny Happy People", based on the Duggars and their use of the Bill Gothard curriculum. Greg's parents used Bill Gothard's text books and was part of ATI (Advanced Training Institute) for the first few years of their homeschooling. Greg talks about his personal experience being under legalistic church leadership that used and endorsed Bill Gothard, and even had him visit their church for training. Enjoy! Jacob's Supply: Quality building materials at wholesale prices! Follow here for updates, or call them for local pickup or national shipping at (734) 224-0978 Support the show

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Today we're talking all about the Amazon Prime documentary "Shiny, Happy People," which focuses on the Duggar family and the greater theology behind their beliefs (Bill Gothard's Institute in Basic Life Principles). The IBLP and Gothard have been accused of legalism, double standards, and abuse within their doctrine. We start off with some issues the documentary presents as big problems within Duggar/IBLP theology, which include wives submitting to husbands, gender roles, and modesty, among others. We also share the problems we see with their theology, but discuss how many things like submission and gender roles themselves are actually biblical – the IBLP has just misconstrued, misinterpreted, and misapplied these Biblical commands to create a legalistic, graceless, gospel-less framework that oppresses and represses its adherents rather than setting them free. We share some of the shocking revelations from the documentary series and explain the frustrating angle the filmmakers took in conflating IBLP and fundamentalism with true gospel principles and beliefs. --- Timecodes: (01:19) Intro / Father's Day (13:20) Breakdown of IBLP beliefs (16:50) Duggar doc intro (21:20) Problems with Duggar/IBLP theology from documentary perspective (23:37) Problems with Duggar/IBLP theology from biblical perspective (45:11) Josh Duggar's sentence & Du (48:46) Credibility & criticisms of the doc (57:29) "World domination" & children as arrows (01:02:13) Differentiation of fundamentalism & true Christianity (01:06:21) Interesting parts from the documentary (01:12:11) C.S. Lewis quote --- Today's Sponsors: Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. Patriot Mobile — go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 878-PATRIOT and use promo code 'ALLIE' to get free activation! Constitution Wealth — align your values with your investments through your financial management. Go to ConstitutionWealth.com/ALLIE and schedule a FREE consultation! Good Ranchers — get $30 OFF your box today at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe. You'll also lock in your price for two full years with a subscription to Good Ranchers! --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 745 | Life as a Duggar & Letting Go of Legalism | Guest: Jinger Duggar Vuolo https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-745-life-as-a-duggar-letting-go-of-legalism/id1359249098?i=1000596623691 Ep 777 | On Duggar Theology, Josh's Arrest, & Media Lies | Guests: Jinger Duggar Vuolo & Jeremy Vuolo https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-777-on-duggar-theology-joshs-arrest-media-lies-guests/id1359249098?i=1000606178083 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices